Piedmont Park Murder Part Two

I tried to find evidence she was gutted and had her eye lids cut out, but haven’t found it.

The news report above says "the details are so disturbing" but they don't elaborate. The 911 call excerpts aren't very descriptive either.

I got my eye on the girlfriend.

"Did you see that? That's my fuckin' girlfriend" was weird.

"That's my fucking girlfriend."

Okay.

It’s a shame the pit bull didn’t rip the face off of the killer.

If ever there was a time…

This could be a meth job. Apparently the tweakers are turning violent all of the sudden. Maybe something in the stuff.

I just listened to the 911 call. Did I hear correctly a male voice in the background say "what the fuck?"

I can't listen.

It's the girlfriend.

I'm sorta thinking that too and I feel terrible about it.

[Quote] I can't listen.

The audio is brief and not exploitative. And it appears to be with the girlfriend's permission. There's interview footage with her (and her father, I guess) at the end.

There surely is video of the girlfriend walking towards and into the park. You can’t get from Henry’s to the 10th Street entrance without crossing the 10th & Piedmont intersection where the victim was seen on camera in the rainbow crosswalk. There is video of the other entrance further up Piedmont too, and the girlfriend most likely would have used one or the other. The turnaround time between when she last saw her and finding the body was pretty quick, like an hour if I’m not mistaken.

If the girlfriend played a part in the murder, I don't think it involved actually commuting the murder.

Did that one guy on the video have a cane?

*If the girlfriend played a part in the murder, I don't think it involved actually committing the murder.

Is being “dead dead” sort of like being raped raped?

Luckily all of the black folks are wearing white, so they can be ruled out, no blood. because they'd probably be arrested otherwise.

Might the runner have stashed his bloody clothes somewhere out of camera shot, where he could retrieve them after exiting the park in front of the CCTV camera?

Where’s part 1?

[Quote] Where’s part 1?

Part 1 was mostly a dumpster fire. You're better off searching Google.

Link to Part I:

let's try that again...

I hope it doesn’tturns out the girlfriend did it and killed the dog to make people think she’s innocent. That would be NASTY.

How would she kill the dog, though? Separate it from Katie? If she did it in front of Katie, surely Katie would run?

I thought the gfriend said she was driving around looking for them? Very tight timeline.

The comments on that clip in the OP have the Emma Clark tried and convicted.

Damn. According to Reddit they disembowled the dog too

I stand by that this involved more than one person.

*more than one perp.

I think the girlfriend hired a "large Marge" to take care of things.

Not to dump on the poor victim and her partner, but maybe walking alone at night, after midnight no less, wasn’t a particularly smart thing to do.

If she knew her killer, it would only take one of them.

R32 She probably thought she was safe wit a pit bull by her side, which makes me think that whoever killed her knew her, so the dog was comfortable with that person.

[Quote] Not to dump on the poor victim and her partner, but maybe walking alone at night, after midnight no less, wasn’t a particularly smart thing to do.

This is a BRAND NEW OBSERVATION.

I dicked around Piedmont Park and other smaller parks and streets in Atlanta at night. Nothing but fun ever happened. Unless you're selling crack Atlanta is a pretty safe spot

[quote]I hope it doesn’tturns out the girlfriend did it and killed the dog to make people think she’s innocent.

I'm having difficulty imagining a woman committing this horrific crime but the girlfriend is starting to remind me of the Greek pilot who kept giving interviews after killing his wife and strangling their dog.

[quote]Damn. According to Reddit they disembowled the dog too

Link?

It’s easy to be subdued if the attack was unexpected, sudden, and in the dark of night. Outdoor noises have a tendency to blunt our awareness in listening out for danger. I’d think there’s a tendency for dog owners to let their guard down or have added layer of distraction. It just makes it easier for the perpetrator to have vast advantage.

Exactly r34. As soon as I found out Kato was an Akita, i knew OJ did it. Same with pits. They're looking to defend you violently

That's why you have the dog r37. Even the most king Charles cavalier is on high alert. Especially at night

Thank you, R35. I thought so. 😉

I agree R37. This sounds and feels like either a person with mental health issues, but who functions very well. Otherwise he, and I feel it's a he, should have been caught by now if it was some random crackhead.

I wonder if someone in the neighborhood was waiting for her and the dog? If she had a usual routine, that is, of walking at that hour. It would have been awfully hard for just one person to kill a strong dog like a pit bull and the owner.

And, yeah, that girlfriend seems awfully dead inside. Weird case.

So brave, [R18]. So... insightful. When I commit murder I always wear white (shade depending upon time of day and of course, season of the year) with a tasteful smattering of rainbow nooses sewn into the fabric by non-binary, caffeine free child labourers...

R44 is very bad at recognizing cynical wit.

A child of divorce, I half grew up in a townhouse just south of 10th and Piedmont and was in that park all day, every day during the summers and many evenings any other time. Even as a teenager (early-mid 2000s) I was out and about in Midtown at all times of night and never had any issues.

Regarding the possible witnesses, I'd bet money that the guy with the cane and the guy in the hoodie were cruising.

If witnesses don't come forward can they get in trouble?

Or not witnesses, necessarily, but some of the people in the video?

Do any of you Atlanta folks remember about a M-F couple that was "savagely" attacked in the park, about 2 or 3 years ago, around 3 a.m. or later in the night? They were back in that "new" area, near what is ID'd as the "Dog Park" on the Google Map of the park (which is *directly* back behind where this lady was murdered). They were attacked with a knife by a single assailant, and there was something weird about the story, like maybe it seemed they were likely there in search of drugs or something? I never heard that anyone was arrested for this, or anything else about it, for that matter. There are a LOT of insane homeless people in that vicinity, but even the nuttiest of them has never seemed remotely dangerous to me.

^ The other salient aspect of that other attack is that the security cameras just weren't working that time, either. Your Atlanta City Government, WORKING for YOU...

[quote] Unless you're selling crack Atlanta is a pretty safe spot.

I DARE you to walk around Five Points after 11pm

^It would basically be empty so...fairly safe.

r8 I didn't reply on the first thread because it was getting toward the end and I didn't want to take up the remaining few replies with this nonsense.

I didn't "clear my cookies and cache" just to attack you, as you claimed. I'm on other threads like "My Parents Disowned My Brother" and "KiwiFarms linked to Prominent Developer’s Suicide." My posts are connected to my login, not my cache. Now just STOP.

There was recently a thread on here about a runner who went missing, unfortunately I can't find it, but the relatives were kind of odd and people were suspecting them but in the end the guy was found after apparently being overcome by heat, it wasn't foul play at all.

I really think that's what's going on here too, that the girlfriend is just kind of odd, and is acting oddly because of the massive stress and shock of what's happened.

The article linked in the last thread said that the police clarified the cameras were actually working but just not hooked up to the city-wide network, and of course the murderer wouldn't know that the cameras weren't connected, so whoever did this probably didn't plan it. They seem to have just gotten lucky that the cameras didn't catch them.

[Quote] I didn't "clear my cookies and cache" just to attack you, as you claimed. I'm on other threads like "My Parents Disowned My Brother" and "KiwiFarms linked to Prominent Developer’s Suicide." My posts are connected to my login, not my cache. Now just STOP.

Why bring your beef to this thread?

Do we know the cameras didn't catch the killer or even the murder?

Was the guy with the cane cruising for lesbians?

Give it a rest R53. You have four comments and three are directed at me. You are obsessive and your behavior is not normal. As R55 said, why bring your obsession to this thread.

I was a manager at an apartment building in Aurora Co and one day Im sitting in the office and I hear screaming. I run out and realize its coming from an apt on the 3rd floor (it was an old motel converted into apts) .I run to the elevator and go up and as Im stepping off I hear this terrible keening. Unearthly . I run down the walkway and one of the apt doors is open and I see blood everywhere. All over the walls and furniture,looked like gallons of it. At the bottom of the wall I see a lump completely covered in blood .And to the side I see the tenant on his knees just rocking and wailing. Apparently the tenants lover had committed suicide and he had discovered him. I was in utter shock,and I dont get unnerved easily. I urged the tenant to go to the office with me while I called 911 .Im sure the 911 operators thought I was a loon as i was barely coherent myself. We didnt know if the guy had been murdered by a trick or what . Anyhoo,the reason I told this story is because you just cant predict how you will react when you find something like that. I had nightmares over it .You couldnt even tell if it was a man or woman,white or black he ws so covered in blood.

Past violent crime in the park and cameras known not to work for years.

She listened to podcasts walking the dog at 1am. The girlfriend urged her to carry pepper spray and she refused.

Tragic she and the dog were killed but astonishing nothing had happened prior to that. And to be so regular in the walk and taking makes it so easy for someone to target you.

[Quote] She listened to podcasts walking the dog at 1am. The girlfriend urged her to carry pepper spray and she refused.

Where did you read that?

Years ago R61 I was reading about how predictable we are. You get up at the same time, you leave for work at the same time, you take the same route to work, etc. We all have our routines. People have posted here about their routes.

Was she on the spectrum?

Is the girlfriend on the spectrum?

Her girlfriends affect is not right, but I think that if she did it she had help I pray she didn’t do it that’s horrible

Motive?

Another woman she would kill for?

They're not legally married, are they?

If the girlfriend wanted the deceased gone, why did she need to be mutilated the way she was? With body parts taken evidently as souvenirs? What would even be the motive?

I would be very, very surprised if the girlfriend had anything at all to do with this crime.

Has all that been confirmed, though? Removed organs?

Where are the gruesome details confirmed? I’ve read dozens of articles and none say this.

God this is so sad.

The girlfriend is probably completely traumatized. Finding her disemboweled dead partner and their decapitated dog? I would be in a psych hospital. And what motive would she have for violently murdering her partner and their dog? Also didn’t the police call in the FBI immediately? They don’t typically do that if they suspect it’s the victim’s partner.

R73 Not true at all. The FBI was called in when Chris Watts' wife and kids went missing, if you recall.

[quote] she inevitably would have come to harm at the hands of other predators who easily could clock her patterns.

You don’t know that. My neighbor walks her dogs at night and is 93 and has done it for at least 60 years.

Don't speak too soon.

Having been widowed twice, I can tell you your emotions and affect can be all over the map when you lose a partner.

Statistically speaking, a person is very unlikely to be violently attacked or killed while walking in a city park after dark. Sorry to spoil the fun of the people who think it’s a given that it’ll happen to people if they tempt fate enough. The rare assaults and killings that do occur, and capture our attention, don’t mean that everyone has a good chance of it happening to them.

True r73 true. Mmm Daddy Chris Watts.

R62, see link

Link R78

You need a *link* to prove to you that the vast majority of people who go walking in city parks after dark don’t become the victims of violent assault/murder, R81?

I need a link to your BS post.

Oops, R82

All victims are always kind, gentle and/or intelligent. I’d love to see one where they say, “He was the biggest cunt bastard that ever walked the earth. Dumb asf, too. And who could blame somebody from bludgeoning him to death. But we loved him anyway.”

That goes to the preperator too R85

lol, R85

Arch cynic at r85. Borderline ?

R85 While this deceased person was not murdered, some people call a spade a spade.

Aww they put dog treats at the shrine. I love you Atlanta. I hope you catch this motherfucker

That is heartbreaking R90.

The girlfriend could be in a state of shock .

You would think if the girlfriend were guilty, she’d fake normal emotions instead of… doing whatever she’s been doing. The most likely explanation for her behavior or affect is that she’s in shock or she’s on the spectrum.

Her eyes are a bit brooding

The police profilers are going to be busy profiling the killer.

So it’s “inevitable” that a pilot will eventually die in a plane crash because he flies so much?

Did anyone else catch the DA last night talking a lot about gang problems in Atlanta lately, during a press conference about Katie's murder? Between that and the police listing "schoolwork not being done" as something to watch out for with regards to odd behavior, I'm thinking they believe the murderer is young.

[quote]Where are the gruesome details confirmed?

They're not confirmed, and my experience with following crime stories like this is that we'll find out a lot of these rumors were false.

School work not being done? It’s summer. Has school started yet?

First day of school isn't until August 10th, now that you mention it, r99.

As someone mentioned on the previous thread, it's hella hot and humid in the summers in Atlanta. Really after 10pm is when it feels that your sweat might evaporate, midnight is comfortable.

Gang initiation?

I was thinking that too R102.

R102 Um, yeah...that's it! A gang initiation! That's the ticket!

R102 Gang initiations generally don't involve disembowelment.

She still makes me suspicious

No, but this one may have. Hope it is solved.

R105: I'm waiting for someone to claim that space aliens did it.

Girlfriend would never murder her own dog. You kill your partner but you don’t kill your dog.

R109, this crime was particularly gruesome and cruel . A very disturbed person did this , a person who hates the victim

It was not her dog. The victim’s dog

No, it was Emma's dog.

Her 911 call was creepy

R113 Very weird. "That's my fucking girlfriend!" Whaaa?

We don't actually no how gruesome it was. Reddit is not an official source.

"I just stumbled across the mutilated bodies of my long-time girlfriend and my beloved dog, when I call 911 I'd better make sure I sound just right, or else everyone on the internet will think I'm the murderer."

I hope the gruesome details are just rumors. I really hope that shit didn't happen because it's so horrible.

I know r117😩

*know not no

The thing about the mutilation of the bodies: it would take a lot of strength and determination to do the things that have been alleged. Based on what I know about the area, it was a place where car lights would have swept it as cars were heading up the hill, going west from Monroe Drive (in the direction of Peachtree St.), and so the scene would have been exposed to view, however briefly, to people in autos. Tenth St. is a major thoroughfare in that area of town, there would have been traffic on it at 1:00 AM. Only a really crazy person would stick around such an open place, after having just killed a woman and her dog. It would have taken at least 5 minutes, at a minimum, if the mutilation was performed by a very strong person. It just doesn't add up to me, except to think that the killer was totally insane.

Why was the FBI brought in so fast? Was there something about the crime that triggered their response, like a familiar M.O.?

The reported mutilation of the victim, R121.

I think the gf's interview is a mixture of shock and tranquilizers. And she is, as my mother would say, coarse. She curses like a sailor so why would she clean it up in 911 call? Some of you here have a very delicate nature. Go fan yourself, Brenda.

R123 She's coarse 'cause she's a murderer.

Her eyes are dead cold

I would never go by "Brenda."

[quote]You kill your partner but you don’t kill your dog.

It happened a few months ago in Greece.

If she is this cold blooded to savagely kill a human being like this , she could kill her dog. I’m not saying she’s guilty, but We have to explore all areas.

If there is one thing I’ve learned from true crime shows - it’s that the killer NEVER wants to be the one to find their loved one/victim. Always calling someone to check on them, etc. If she had called the cops to check on her at the park I would be more suspicious.

Oh, please totally inaccurate

I can’t believe there are so many people who really think the girlfriend did it. Based on nothing.

R131 Except that she has crazy eyes. And is as cold as a dead fish. And looks like the cunt of cunts.

None of which is evidence of guilt, R132.

Enough, r132.

R133 It's enough for me. She did it.

DL is notoriously anti-lesbian - of course we think the GF did it.

I was thinking the same thing, R102.

The jogger seen in the security cam video came forward and is talking to the police.

It frightens me that people like R132 could end up on a jury some day.

R139 Me, too!

Thanks, R138.

Is it correct to label him a witness?

[Quote] The reward in this case has been increased to $20,000.

I'm sure it's already been said, but everything thus far points to the girlfriend. Last to see her alive, first on the scene, was already familiar with dog (hence the dog not freaking out), and that kind of killing is too personal. The fact that it was out in an open park (and not at home) feels like it was planned by the girlfriend to avoid suspicion. A serial killer will at least drag a woman deep into the woods first. Her 911 call and interview seem devoid of sincerity. My heart breaks for the victim.

How did the girlfriend avoid blood splatter, DNA etc? What timeframe would she have had to hide the weapon, change clothes etc?

R145 I think the girlfriend had someone else do the dirty deed.

If the killer entered and exited under video surveillance, then the police have that recorded. Otherwise, the killer scaled a wall and avoided the cameras somehow.

What reason would the girlfriend have to want her dead? Any theories?

The guy from that reality TV show based around a former Ikette had his cousin/nephew killed because he was in debt and he'd taken out a life assurance policy on the young man.

There are no walls or fences to scale. The gates you've seen in pictures are essentially decorative. Anyone can walk right in along that whole stretch of 10th street at anytime of day or night. And it is very dark at night.

I've seen crazy lesbians stalk and harass the girlfriend they dated for 3 months, 25 years later. I saw a lesbian pick her girlfriend up off of the barstool by her hair and scream in front of everyone that she was a whore because an ex liked her myspace post. Hopefully this girlfriend is innocent, but I've seen some crazy shit.

R151 Were you there that night? Sorry, but I was having a rough day.

R151, it’s almost invariably by lower economic and masculine lesbians in my experience. But they stand out, like flaming , bitchy queens .

Fuck off, R79, you fuck sick.

Let's be honest: We don't know shit.

"It's a crazed homeless person!"

"It was clearly planned!"

"It was a crime of opportunity!"

"It had to be a man!"

"It has to be the girlfriend!"

It almost certainly was a man, and a serial killer or someone with the potential to be a serial killer. I’d bet money on it.

Are there any good Reddit discussions going on among people who actually know a bit about criminology?

Would there be enough light to mutilate a body at 1am?

It would be a half cocked attempt

Maybe they were wearing a headlamp or a running light, R157.

Investigators won’t just be looking at camera footage of that night she was murdered. They’ll be pouring over film of other days/ nights to see if there are any suspicious individuals or activities.

They’ll also know by now if this was committed by one person or possibly more than one person because of DNA evidence. Everyone in Janness’s circle without an alibi would be asked to provide DNA sample. No DNA match in the criminal database perhaps, so they’ll have to go by old fashioned detective work and resources from the FBI. Conversely, they may be closing in on suspect and don’t want to give away too much.

Sometimes these psychopaths falsely think they’re smarter than everyone else. A combination of luck and hubris often get these cases solved before the killers become prolific. Like another famous Georgia murderer who chopped up his neighbor.

Taking a long time.

It is not a TV movie R161

R161 needs this wrapped up by the 2 hour mark.

It's a shame Gary didn't talk Lucy out of death. There's a role for her in all of this.

r142, they've now said specifically that they don't think he's a witness.

Interesting that they did at first think he must have seen something. I guess the murder occurred near that road he was running on.

[Quote] When she didn't come home, Clark tracked her phone's location and went to the park.

I'm surprised Clark went alone.

I'm surprised she did not call the police, R166. She is the one who wanted the victim to not listen to podcasts walking and to carry pepper spray.

[Quote] I'm surprised she did not call the police

Yes.

When you ping someone's phone, does it show if the phone is moving (e.g. if it was in a moving vehicle)?

[quote] A serial killer will at least drag a woman deep into the woods

They do?

R168 you can't ping someone's phone. You would use a phone tracker app to track where the phone is.

And does the phone tracker show if the owner is on the move?

If the girlfriend discovered her wouldn't she have blood on her?

[Quote]I'm surprised she did not call the police

In the previous thread it said that the tracker app detects phone movement. Emma went looking when she saw no movement.

The police in my city would not respond to a call like this. They'd say something like "she dropped the phone. Call us later if she doesn't show up." You'd probably get chided for a non-emergency call.

Not everyone would call the police before going to find her. That’s not unreasonable. She probably panicked and wasn’t thinking.

Or she did it.

DL is on the case.

I’d go looking first before I called. It’s kind of a big deal and scary calling to report a missing person, and your mind doesn’t usually go to “they’re not responding they must be dead!”

Maybe her thoughts went to "she collapsed, she's unconscious in the park."

It was less than an hour. Would you call the police if your partner was less than 60 minutes getting home? Maybe with it being walking a dog it’s different. Don’t the cops just shrug it off and tell the person to wait 48 hours or something before filing a missing person report on an adult ? I don’t get the cellphone tracker app. I can see having it on your teen children’s phones to keep tabs on them, but I wouldn’t have one to check on my partner’s whereabouts. But I do understand they are women in an urban environment, so I get it from that perspective. I guess it might not be bad to have in a missing person scenario.

Not accusing, I just have questions about some of this stuff.

There is something a little odd about having that program but yet walking at that time in the morning while listening to podcasts.

You don’t need a specific reason to suspect the girlfriend. The significant other is ALWAYS a suspect, and statistically the most likely killer.

The app was likely to placate the girlfriend. The deceased would not change her habits nor carry pepper spray, but the app required nothing from her.

She walked the dog after work but had not even worked that night. Absolutely NO reason to be in a dark city park at 1am with earbuds in.

And the dog could have had long walks early in the day with a quick just outside to pee at 1 am. Absolutely nothing but the woman's own crazy necessitated walking in a dark city park at 1am with a podcast on and earbuds in. This was some sort of inverting of risk on the part of the deceased, seeking it, heightened as much as possible. People do crazy shit. Sometimes they are assaulted or raped, or in this sad case, killed. It is thrill seeking behavior, and unfortunately she crossed paths with someone seeking another sort of thrill.

Still want to know more about the rumored social media post about a man who had harassed her and the dog.

Any good discussions of this case on other platforms that you have come across?

As someone said upthread, the late night walks may have been due to the relative cool of midnight, compared to the heat of the day.

Are we sure she had the earbuds in at 1am? I know she did that generally but was she really nuts enough to go to a city park at 1am with earbuds in? That seems insane?

Well, we don't know if she intended to just walk by the park. Regardless, It still shows a frightening lack of self preservation.

[quote]The police in my city would not respond to a call like this. They'd say something like "she dropped the phone. Call us later if she doesn't show up." You'd probably get chided for a non-emergency call.

I think it depends on the situation. I have an app called Citizen that has live local 911 alerts including alerts about missing children, the elderly and people with developmental disabilities who have only been missing for a few hours. The local news also features police reports about people who disappeared after a night out or other situations where foul play may be a factor. That said, I don’t know if these people are calling 911 or their local police district’s non-emergency line.

I get the idea she did not go very deep into the park, never intended to. I think she was just the inner "edge" of it as a convenient place for the dog to crap, where she wouldn't have to pick up after it. Also, based on the direction she came from, I am willing to bet that she did not go through the gate down at Charles Allen and 10th, but rather she walked over to the park-side of 10th St. much farther back, up near Blake's and the "Pride" intersection: there is an asphalt walkway, in open area, that runs kind of parallel to 10th St., just about 10 yards inside the park, and it goes down there to the gate, close to where she was killed. Maybe she habitually did that little loop before coming back up the hill to her apartment, again, as a place where your dog could shit and no one would see whether you picked up after it or not. That is something lots of dog walkers in that area try to get away with; dogshit is everywhere. I'm willing to bet that's what was doing on. The "gate" itself (big stone thing, with an arch) and the big trees nearby screened her more completely from view, and from the passing cars headlights; there is also a functioning traffic signal at the gate intersection, although the road into the park is blocked by a locked bar (with a pedestrian walk-around).

An example of the Atlanta Police Dept's priorites: A few years ago, a friend was driving her Volvo station wagon in the fairly pricey area of Sandy Springs, around midday during the Xmas holidays, with her 2 small daughters in the back seat. Some hoodlum (kids, no doubt) lobbed a brick from the hill above her, which went right through one of the back-seat windows, but thankfully did not strike either girl. My friend called the police, they told her they were busy, to go to her destination and that they would come and get a statement from her. They never showed, despite me and her calling them repeatedly about it. Finally, at about 5 p.m. they told her to just go home and to file an insurance claim re the car. It's pretty typical. I'm an attorney and I know what I'm talking about. The police force has been very corrupt since at least the mid-70's.

Wow, that's a crazy story, r186. They wanted her to come into the station for the report, the lazy fucks. The poor kids must've been traumatized.

Atlanta is generally a safe city. I could see having no problem walking a dog late. I did some crazy unsafe and on drugs shit there all thro my 20s. Bought crack all of it. Atlanta seemed more like a small town and nothing sinister ever happened there. I sure hope they catch this psychopath. How good were the mutilations? Lots of doctors live near the park

People have been killed in that park.

For a woman to go on a daily 1am walk in a dark city park listening to podcasts w/o even pepper spray is very risk seeking behavior. Sad that it cost her her life. Earbuds signal an easier, more distracted victim for any sort of crime.

I'm not from Atlanta, have visited a few times on business and always liked it. This part of the city doesn't appear to be 'bad' in the typical sense to me -? The neighborhoods adjacent to the south side of the park appear to be middle-class with a mix of decent condo buildings, cafes, restaurants and small shops.

Midtown High School is directly across the street from the murder site. Is this a good HS? What type of students attend.

I know the entrance you’re talking about r185. It’s a path the goes down hill at a diagonal towards the large lawn. There are trees and benches at the entrance where homeless guys congregate during the day. I’ve not felt comfortable using that entrance in broad daylight in a “just look straight ahead and mind my own business” kind of way. Can’t imagine going in that way after midnight.

Ah what people who don't know that area is that it's directly adjacent to the Beltline (it's right across the street), which is a very popular walking/running/bicycling/scooter route. The Beltline itself is kinda creepy and unsafe at night.

I think someone mentioned that maybe she and the dog were abducted, killed offsite (van?), and body dumped back in. There has been no mention of great quantities of blood in the area.

Was there time for that, R192? Timeline seems quite tight.

r193, I don't know, as I'm too lazy to check the details. I think it took Jack the Ripper less than an hour to eviscerate someone.

Jack the Ripper didn't abduct, kill and then return the body to same park in an hour or two, which is what's been suggested above.

It seems most likely that it all took place in the park.

This poor woman and her dog. So sad. My thoughts: the wearing of ear devices in public - many times the people are high. potheads. Not aware. Into their own heads. Ignore surroundings. Takin a walk. The gf sounded sincere - the disquieting part was when she said to someone during the 911 call “thats my girlfriend” and the disquieting part is that she sounded proud. Proud of what.

I assume that LE has tracked her car from leaving work to the driving around looking.

There are many rumors that there are other murders that may be connected. That, the timing and the strength required suggest she was not involved.

Has a timeline been put forth from the victim being caught on cameras to the 911 call - how many minutes was it?

FBI being called so quickly means some effed up shit happened way beyond the norm.

[quote]This was some sort of inverting of risk on the part of the deceased, seeking it, heightened as much as possible.

🙄

That and perhaps others and patterns as rumors suggest, R199.

May the victim RIP.

I think I heard the gfriend wants to move from the area? Don't blame her in the least. Glad she has family for support and that her dad seems so gay friendly. I cannot imagine seeing something like that.

I’d have zero people looking for me—only my dog if he were able to open the door and get outside—and I’m married!

Don't make this about you, r202.

It sure wasn't being sensible and taking common safety precautions for women in cities, R200.

The hour, the pattern, the podcasts, the ear buds, refusing the pepper spray the gfriend urged, all of which upped the risk or signaled "prey" to the monsters who prowl among us.

Very, very sad outcome.

I really hope they catch this perp and that the FBI came in.

Aww, R202, maybe he just wants your stuff. WE would miss you! Stay safe everyone!

One comment out of 200 and now the thread is about me. Right.

Go hall monitor and wring your hands in another thread. Maybe I was trying to inject some levity into a dark thread.

Dyke drama.

Wait, she had a pit bull??! lol. WTF?

To the poster in the other thread who said women don't kill and dismember their victims, in 2012 a Brazilian woman (Elize Matsunaga) killed and dismembered her millionaire husband (Marcos Matsunaga) inside their apartment while their infant daughter was in the next room. She put the body parts inside a suitcase and disposed of it in a wooded area. She told the police and the husband's family that he had left her for another woman, but the cameras in the building showed that he never left the building.

*** Warning: graphic pictures ***

There are many documented cases of women murdering and dismembering bodies. However, statistically that’s more if a male thing. We still don’t know if she was dismembered.

There are many documented cases of women murdering and dismembering bodies. However, statistically that’s more of a male thing. We still don’t know if she was dismembered.

WAIT, THE GIRLFRIEND FOUND HER??

This isn’t suspicious??

The FBI was brought in quickly and there are rumors there have been other victims, a serial killer type situation, R211. Time will tell.

Hope whoever did this will be caught quickly.

Weren’t 11 cameras not working that night or something?

R211 not suspicious if the girlfriend knew that Kate walked the dog in the park regularly so and she hadn’t come home in a reasonable time so she became concerned. If she is innocent that’s a horror she will live with forever; that poor woman.

The partner is always the first one suspected until they can be ruled out; that’s just the way it is. I hope they find the killer quickly, whoever it may be.

The girlfriend still gives me serious pause for thought.

[quote] As soon as I found out Kato was an Akita

I thought Kato was a person.

[quote] In the previous thread it said that the tracker app detects phone movement. Emma went looking when she saw no movement.

That’s her story and she could have tracked her location to murder her. She was probably spying on her believing she was ducking around with another woman.

Asians weren't yet people in the 1960s.

[quote] In the previous thread it said that the tracker app detects phone movement. Emma went looking when she saw no movement.

That’s her story and she could have tracked her location to murder her. She was probably spying on her believing she was fucking around with another woman. Most people don’t allow people to track their phones regardless.

But if she tracked her location to murder her, when did she dispose of the weapon and at the very least change her clothes, if not shower etc.

Stabbings are personal. It take a lot of work and anger to kill someone with a knife unlike a gun. You probably have a better chance of getting knifed by a friend or relative then a stranger. I’m sure investigators are already eyeing the girlfriend.

[quote] Girlfriend would never murder her own dog. You kill your partner but you don’t kill your dog.

You’re adorable and stupid. If the dog is attacking you while murdering someone you would gladly do it. The only way a pitbull wouldn’t make such a racket right off the bat is if they knew the person, like a girlfriend.

GF was probably spying on Katie tracking her for awhile.

Maybe the gf has a jealous ex lover who decided to kill off Katie. That happens a lot. Jealousy is personal.

It has been well known the cameras have not worked for years, R213. It has come up re: other crimes in the park.

The gfriend had reportedly urged Katie to at least carry pepper spray but she refused/declined.

I think the FBI being brought in suggests there is a bigger pattern and it is very unlikely to be the gfriend.

[quote] You would think if the girlfriend were guilty, she’d fake normal emotions instead of… doing whatever she’s been doing. The most likely explanation for her behavior or affect is that she’s in shock or she’s on the spectrum.

Or a psychopath.

Similar mannerisms r226 lack of real empathy.

[Quote]That’s her story and she could have tracked her location to murder her.

In which case the authorities would be able to track *her* phone's movement and locations provided she had it with her and the battery was in. Her phone would be the first thing LE checked.

Have Websleuth fraus moved here?

[quote] I can’t believe there are so many people who really think the girlfriend did it. Based on nothing.

Based on common sense. Maybe she did it, maybe not but stabbings are usual personal and the gf’s story is suspicious as is her behavior.

If girlfriend was involved , she probably had help right?

[Quote]You would think if the girlfriend were guilty, she’d fake normal emotions instead of… doing whatever she’s been doing. The most likely explanation for her behavior or affect is that she’s in shock or she’s on the spectrum.

[Quote]Or a psychopath.

Psychopaths are actually very, very good at charming people and demonstrating situationally appropriate emotions. Con men, grifters, Ted Bundy types successfully manipulate and abuse because they're very talented at it. People on the spectrum not so much.

Katie had a family too

R208 Don’t be ridiculous.

Your example is of a woman cutting up a body to dispose of it.

What has apparently happened here is sexual, ritualistic mutilation;- a very different thing and rarely, if ever, committed by women.

[Quote]She also said Janness was in the midst of planning a trip up north when she was killed. In fact, Bobbi was shopping for daughter’s upcoming trip when she received the harrowing phone call that her daughter had been brutally killed.

[Quote]“Because of COVID, we haven’t been together since Christmas 2019, " her mother wrote. This was the first occasion I’ve been looking forward to in so long.

😢

R231, I would not be surprised if Emma is medicated.

Your partner dying is bad enough, finding the body brutally murdered and rumored mutilated, and the mutilated pet?

Heartbreaking for the family, R234. Emma and her father have been speaking in the media but Katie had a mom and sister and extended family who loved her. That she was about to be visiting them is even more painful. It all was so close to going very differently. Tragic, RIP.

The photo in the rainbow crosswalk was at 12:07, the body was found shortly after 1. Very, very tight timeline.

We actually don't know about what happened to Katie. First, there were reports of a homophobic slur carved in her body, then the police denied it.

When did the gf get off work?

If she had the phone the motive was not likely robbery, eh?

I’m curious about what time the GF got off work too. It seemed to me that that Katie came to the restaurant with the dog, en route to the park, and visited the girlfriend for a few minutes. At least that’s how it was conveyed. I’m sure they’ve interviewed gf’s coworkers about what kind of interaction they had. The women lived within walking distance but I don’t know how far, or if the girlfriend went home and discovered she was missing before heading out to look for her.

I presume Katie didn't visit near the end of the gf's shift, otherwise she would likely wait for her.

LE arrived at the park at 1:10 am, so barely over an hour after she was spotted on video on the rainbow street painting.

Her poor mom. This is horrible :(

Another recent anti-gay crime nearby

Was a weight for the dog mentioned anywhere? He appears to be on the smaller size for a pit.

The dog was female, no?

I read that Katie owned an elderly female pit but that the 3 yr old dog that was killed was a male? Could be incorrect though? Looked on the smaller side to me in photos.

PETA kicked in an extra $10k in reward money.

Good dog, Bowie.

Hope this one is solved soon. And that the cameras in that park are fixed.

R242, that seems like quite a tight timeline! Katie is murdered, carved up in the dark, the gf ascertains she’s missing and drives around looking for her, parks the car and finds her, makes the 911 call and waits for the police to show up.

All in an hour?

I don't think the girlfriend had anything to do with it. There are quite a few videos on YouTube that show dogs like pitbulls, Rottweiler, German Shepherds etc, won't always defend against an attacker. If a dog has a strong bite inhibition they usually just try to get away.

A friend of mine said his grandmother was attacked in her home and her elderly border collie tore the guy's clothes off and bit him so many times her kitchen, deck and steps were covered with the burglar's blood. Those border collies do their own thinking, they don't need to be attack trained.

Stabbings have always been referred to as “personal” and yet the college student who got into what she thought was an Uber was stabbed…120 times. That sounds personal and yet - he was a total stranger.

So from the crosswalk/rainbow to the park would have gotten her there about 12:20. The gfriend found her @1, LE there @ 1:10.

[quote] the college student who got into what she thought was an Uber was stabbed…120 times. That sounds personal and yet - he was a total stranger.

Is there a DL thread about this case? Sounds sensational!

From a WS post...there was speculation about several stabbings/murders in Little Rock, in a downtown area between 1-4 am possibly being linked, if so could be why FBI called in.

I don't know if the Little Rock offender is the same as Katherine's killer, I'm thinking probably not as his victims in LR skewed older and I'm not sure how a fit woman with a pitbull matches up with the established victimology there; however if they are different individuals, the one thing I believe they share is the paraphilia piquerism.

Piquerism is a trait of many sadists where they achieve sexual arousal from piercing and stabbing another person, commonly in the breast, buttocks and groin. A hallmark of this type of sadism is that the offender may progress to the point where the ultimate satisfaction comes from causing fatal injury to the victim.

Here's more from an article about it: "Piquerism is sometimes performed post-mortem. It generally refers to the penetration of human flesh, although it is sometimes practiced against animals. The piquer's range of activities for sating his or her needs can be a purposeful single prick with a pin or knife, multiple stab wounds to an eroticized area, or elaborate cutting, stabbing, biting and mutilation of a victim. Piquerism becomes part of the repertoire of many sadists, depending on their progress along the 'sadistic learning curve'.

"Often the sexual mechanisms inherent in piquerism are ignored during the assessment of sexually sadistic crimes. The prevalence rate of piquerism is unknown".

Source: Need to stab 'part of the repertoire of many sadists'

That's a very interesting thought, r254. Were all the LR stabbings fatalities or was there a pattern of escalation culminating in death?

Just when i thought Id heard of every sexual kink out there,along comes R254 to shock and horrify me. People are just so depraved now. Have they always been and we just never heard of it ,or has something changed in 100 years that seems to give permission to be depraved ?

Have you heard of Genghis Khan?

R256 - Law & Order SVU had an episode about it. It starred Chad Lowe and Margot Kidder.

I believe that there were 3 homicide victims in Little Rock and the fourth victim survived and had a description. The perp, with a distinctive gait, was also captured on video. Might have shifted hunting grounds a few hours away?

^R255

I think people have become more depraved due to the internet, extreme porn, etc. I think sick people get new ideas and become desensitized so need more extreme thrills.

A frenzied attack by someone with piquerism would explain the unverified reports of mutilation. Perhaps after god knows how many thrusts of a knife multiple stabs look like mutilation.

I just found an article about the LR stabbings. The ages of the victims was 43 to 64. Three males one female. The woman, the third victim, was stabbed 15 times but survived. Very little information about the nature of the other stabbings.

Thanks for posting, R261, Little Rock is not that far and the time of day and urban environment are a fit. Maybe the video and surviving victim made LR too "hot?"

Wow, the surveillance video from Little Rock sure is spooooooky.

I wish surveillance video cameras had been around at the time of the Zodiac killings.

You're fine, r205. Of all the unnecessary and grotesque things said in this thread, that they picked your little joke to jump on is just ridiculous.

[quote]To the poster in the other thread who said women don't kill and dismember their victims

The few individual examples like what r208 brought up are completely missing the point: statistically, it's very rare for a woman to commit a crime that involves mutilation. Of course it happens, but it's rare.

r225, one news article said the police clarified that the cameras did work but were not hooked up to the city-wide network.

I don't know why they bothered to clarify that, unless they're saying they might somehow be able to get the footage, even though the cameras weren't streaming to any server.

Emma recently said in an interview that Katie's neck was slashed.

[quote]"At first, I saw Bowie but I didn't know it was Bowie, I thought it was like a trash bag — from far away I don't have great vision," Clark said. "As soon as I realized he wasn't alive anymore I immediately shot up and started yelling her name and looking around, screaming.

[quote]"I ran over to her (Katie) and put my hands on her face and I checked for a pulse but you could tell that she was not alive — there was a lot of blood and she had her neck slashed, so it was very clear."

R267 This girl seems very shady to me. She's unable to look at the reporter in the eye through most of the interview, she's completely without emotion, and at the end, she's trying hard to come up with a motive. "Hey, maybe it was just opportunity. Who knows?"

Hmmmm.

R268 So, how did you behave when you found your partner & dog dead and covered in blood in a park? Maybe you should give this girl some pointers.

I do not think they would have brought in the FBI if they thought the partner did it.

That said, I think she needs professional help and talking to the media is not the same thing.

We seem to have attracted the usual people who come into these threads trying too hard to start drama, in part because they know making implausible claims will get others riled up. I don't for a second believe 268 is honestly convinced the girlfriend did it, I think he's just trying to irritate us and get attention.

R270 They came when my wife and kids mysteriously disappeared!

R269 Seems to me if she was utterly devastated over the loss of her girlfriend, she wouldn't be inviting the media to her Country Time Lemonade front porch to have conversations about it.

The girlfriend was at work then using a phone to try to locate Katie. I assume all that was verified before the FBI was called in.

In Atlanta there are rumors of other murders.

Online, some have speculated about a similar MO in Little Rock and why the killer may have felt forced to leave that city.

I do hope that Emma is able to access help soon. I do not see the benefit of the repeated chats with the media now and getting into more graphic details. Hopefully the FBI will be successful and the killer will slip up and make their job easier.

Stay out of city parks after dark folks.

Curious where Katie was walking between leaving Emma and being caught on camera at 12:07 - was she followed? Or was the assailant already in the park?

When I saw he ( dog) wasn’t alive anymore.” WTH? Weird wording

I’m Wondering if police suspect Katie and letting her hang herself with interviews? They will probably question her again

I presume the hunt for Katie's killer gives Emma purpose. Who are you to say that doing interview isn't good for her?

[Quote] When I saw he ( dog) wasn’t alive anymore.” WTH? Weird wording

I don't think that's weird wording. Dogs' breath is very appreciable.

The people who really think the gf did it have NO IDEA how stupid they are.

R279, I hope to God we are wrong . That would make this case that more horrifying and tragic

I don't understand why people think it's the girlfriend. Why would you go to this level of extreme to kill her? There are thousands of easier ways to do it. To track her down and publicly kill her and your dog would make absolutely no sense.

It is just some idiots here R281 that think the girlfriend did it because she didn't act the way they thought she should act.

Girlfriend is the first person ruled out by investigators. If they think she did it and have evidence, she’d be arrested by now. Let’s face it, she doesn’t come across as particularly bright, at least smart enough to pull off the murder and get away with it.

Did they have an open relationship?

Her eyes are cold as ice . I believe she had help and this was methodically planned out

Does anyone have a link to the article where the prospective father in law was quoted?

You would never, ever get a lesbian to kill her pet. Hell, even Jen and Sarah Hart looked up no-kill shelters before they drove their kids off a cliff.

[quote]Girlfriend is the first person ruled out by investigators. If they think she did it and have evidence, she’d be arrested by now.

Part of me is convinced the girlfriend isn't involved in Janness' death but now she is doing exactly what the Greek pilot did... he kept giving interviews and he ended up being guilty of killing his wife and strangling their dog.

The difference between the Greek pilot and the lesbian is that the Greek's seems to be a spontaneous act of rage, while the lesbian's seems premeditated.

The GF would also have to ditch her phone while doing the deed, clean up, then retrieve her phone to search for the body, just in case they could track her location from pings.

To eliminate the gf as a suspect, would they take samples from her, e.g. from under her fingernails etc.?

If girlfriend was involved, she did not actually commit the murders . But the mastermind

Oh for fucks sake ! It was NOT the GF ! She's fucking wierd because she found her lover hacked up in a fucking park ! How would YOU react ? As for her giving interviews,isnt she from the tell everything on FB and Twitter generation ?

The gf hasn't even revealed a hell of a lot. I want to know about the cameras that were working but not patched into the central network. Do these cameras have their on onboard memory?

Autistic people are defending the GF

No, trolls are. You have to ignore them.

95% of the time it's the significant other

The FBI would not have been called in if the cops suspected the girlfriend.

Same people were claiming the wife killed the runner in CA or arranged his murder. Dude died of heat stroke.

The Greek dude seems more of a Chris Watts scenario and he DOES seem guilty.

The timeline was so tight in Atlanta. Where was Katie between leaving the girlfriend working at the restaurant and being caught on camera just after midnight? Did she cross paths with someone who followed her or was the killer lurking in the park hoping to come upon a victim?

Very sad to die so young, hope the dna that was on the dog and in his mouth is able to advance the case.

Wasn't the FBI called in with Chris Watts & Co.?

What MOTIVE would the girlfriend have to have her killed and mutilated? What would be the point?

Another woman and or a resentment towards victim.

Life assurance?

There are no assurances in life except death and taxes.

GF is strange man

[quote] Another woman and or a resentment towards victim.

And breaking up wouldn’t quite do it for her? It had to be murder + mutilation?

Okay, question number 2 for you websleuths: If she had an accomplice, did she pay that person? How much did she pay that person?

Probably another lesbo

Are we sure about the mutilations?

Yes, we are reasonably certain, R306.

R292 is clearly the girlfriend.

Hi, girlfriend!

Yeah, Websleuths thread on this is closed to comments. That doesn’t happen very often. I guess there was too much speculation about the mutilation.

I don’t think the girlfriend is involved at all, but I’m not all bent out of shape about those who do think so.

The timeline is so tight/close, though. What terrible luck.

She was probably stabbed so forcefully and repeatedly that the results appear to be mutilation.

[quote]The GF would also have to ditch her phone while doing the deed, clean up, then retrieve her phone to search for the body, just in case they could track her location from pings.

Yeah, there was just no time for her to have done it, plus no way she could have disposed of the weapon and cleaned herself off quickly enough. A slashed throat means lots of blood, and the dog seems to have attacked someone because they're doing testing on what was found on the dog's teeth and nails.

[quote]95% of the time it's the significant other

No, it's just under 20% overall for both male and female victims. About 40% of female murder victims were killed by their partner. That's not even half.

If it's gotten to where you're making up fake statistics then maybe you should just sit this one out.

GF doesn't seem as suspicious as Rusty Jenkins in the demise of Alan in Dallas (Rusty was Alan's BF). In that case, the video raised more questions than it answered.

BTW, Atlanta is nowhere near Little Rock.

[quote]>>Autistic people are defending the GF

[quote]No, trolls are. You have to ignore them.

People pointing out that there are numerous reasons to think the girlfriend could NOT have done it are not trolls, and fuck you for saying everyone should put anyone who disagrees with you on "ignore."

It's patently obvious that the "she has dead eyes, her voice sounded PROUD, lesbos are always like this, only autistics think she didn't do it" people are the real trolls.

In the news segment with the audio of the 911 call where she appears with her father, Emma looks quite sedated. Her eyes have that "tranqued" appearance. Poor woman. I'd want to be sedated enough to be unconscious.

Given the time (12:46am) the now-identified jogger was in the park, and the angle he would have entered and exited, I find it truly hard to believe that he didn’t see either of the dead bodies.

He appears to have entered the park on a jogging loop that would have spit him out directly in front of Janness’ body, and the jogger was wearing a headlamp, so darkness is no excuse for missing it. But instead of continuing on a trail, this guy took a sharp right and headed right back out of the park, 41 seconds later.

[quote] fuck you for saying everyone should put anyone who disagrees with you on "ignore.

Hostile much? I did not say to put them on ignore I said to ignore them. And I didn’t mention anything about disagreeing with me. So YOU fuck off Miss Defensive.

The jogger left the park after 40 seconds? That is very odd.

Uh, what about the man with a cane and the red stain on his white shirt?

He was discussed on Websleuths, that’s probably why the thread was locked.

Did they think the cane was a prop, like Ted Bundy’s plaster of Paris cast?

Have to agree that there's no reason to ignore everyone on this thread who says the girlfriend didn't do it. This is supposed to be a discussion, no need to turn it into a fight by calling people names or falsely accusing them of trolling just because you disagree.

[quote]Given the time (12:46am) the now-identified jogger was in the park, and the angle he would have entered and exited, I find it truly hard to believe that he didn’t see either of the dead bodies.

Help me with this: where specifically were the bodies found? I had thought it was in the corner under a tree that was near the wall, so basically just behind the corner the jogger went by in this photo. Wouldn't the wall have blocked his view? I thought I'd read all the articles about the jogger but I think I must have missed something.

I thought the dog was closer to the entrance.

Emma said in an interview that she saw Bowie first, then ran to find Katie, who I believe she said was about 100 feet away. It did sound like Bowie was closer to the entrance because Emma's first thought was that he'd been hit by a car.

That makes me wonder if the dog was stabbed and then tried to flee before collapsing near the park entrance.

[Quote]Uh, what about the man with a cane

Wasn't the Little Rock stabber/murderer described as having an odd gait?

About the jogger and folks who say he should have noticed the bodies given his route, etc. -- hardcore runners are known to have an intense focus on immediate path, breathing and gait that other stuff just gets blocked out. It's entirely possible and believable that he ran past without noticing unless it was the exact time of the slashings.

[quote]"Did you see that? That's my fuckin' girlfriend" was weird.

I just read in one of the articles that the guy who comes running up to her asks if she saw that, and she apparently said to him, "That's my fuckin' girlfriend," which makes a lot more sense than her randomly saying it to the dispatcher.

I need to find video of the potential witnesses because now that I'm looking at the photos, I'm trying to figure out what the red thing on the guy with the cane's shirt is.

R327 It looks like a white bag with red markings (lettering?) tucked under his arm. Then again, the video is not very clear. Whoever did this would be covered in blood.

I agree, he's in all white, there's no way he'd just have one weird spot under his arm on the side if he was the murderer. Reddit also pointed out that he was at a gate about half a mile away from the one where Bowie and Katie were found. That is a weird thing going on with his shirt though.

By the way, I found the article that mentioned Bowie was about 50 feet inside the gate, so he wasn't as close to the gate and the street as I thought he might have been.

r325, I would think that it would be the opposite- while the dog is being killed, the woman ran away, only to be caught by him.

That park is amazingly dark at night, due to the huge canopy of trees, mostly very big, old oak trees. There are streetlights along the paved "streets" (which are pedestrian only), but the park is mostly pitch dark, and the leaf canopy obscures a lot of the light there would be otherwise. I used to run there, regularly, for decades, and so I was doing it after dark, after work, in the wintertime; I have to run on dirt, not pavement, because of my knees, and running beside those paved roads in the dark is a skill that it takes a long time to cultivate. Anyone could have run right past a body on the side of one of those roads and they would have seen *nothing* at nighttime. I would not walk through that place at night, all by myself, and I'm a guy. I wonder if she felt that that dog would be sufficient protection? And as I speculated up above, earlier, I don't believe she had any intent to go "into" the park, but only to enter the periphery, just long enough so the dog could crap unnoticed, so she would not have to clean up after it. It's quite common in that area.

Why would the jogger need a hat at night when it’s very hot and dark?

The hat may have been to hold the headlamp he was wearing. I have one and the band isn't really made to handle sweating.

Why would someone with a cane go walking in a dark park at night?

[quote] I have to run on dirt, not pavement, because of my knees

That's what you get for being a slut.

The cane, if there is a blade at the bottom, would give force and space from target.

The cane was a ruse if he is the killer.

R337, yeah, but that’s not a weapon you’d use to gut someone. And you’d have to be up close to someone if you’re mutilating their face. But it could be used for the initial attack.

It is interesting to explore all the possibilities.

But what IS that red spot. Someone said he was carrying a bag under that arm, but his arm is moving too much, and it’s an irregular shape.

r339 could you link to the clip or to the photo you're looking at, so we can see? The thread has 350 posts and some of us are too lazy to scroll back up to find it.

He has disgusted me ever since he mocked Pete for being gay while :speaking to big dollar donors on behalf of four eyed hypocritical fake progressive cunt Elizabeth Warren.

Oops meant that for the Obama party thread…

Wrong thread r341.

R340, here ya go:

Another.

(Also: Who’s leaving an e-scooter unattended like that?)

Actually, I just noticed a second scooter in the photo. Wtf. Those things wouldn’t last two seconds before being stolen, in NYC.

E scooters are left randomly in public places, they are FOR RENT.

The edge of the red is too regular to be blood. Whoever did this would not just have one spot, esp in white clothes would be visible. No signs of dog bites.

R345, you must never visit cities.

Rental e scooters litter public spaces and are rentals.

They are all "unattended" until rented and climbed on.

Has LE spoken to the man in white with the cane?

They have not mentioned specifically, R350, but they did not release additional photos as they did with the jogger so my guess is that they did.

Guy with the cane and the guy in the hoodie we’re probably cruising.

If DNA found on the dog is not a match for the criminal database I fear this one is going to become a cold case.

And yes, to the poster upthread the killer in Little Rock did have an odd gait on video. It is possible he moved on once a victim survived and he was caught on tape. The city park in early morning hours MO fits and it is less than a day's drive if he thought LR was too hot for him to keep killing in.

With all this 23&Me stuff, killers have been found via their relatives being in the database.

Re the e-scooters, no, I’m not familiar. I see Revels all over, but not Lime. Revels are parked in the street, not left on sidewalks. But that’s beside the point; now It makes sense. Thanks.

Re R352, MANY homeless guys are living in that park at night when the weather is nice enough to sleep outdoors. MANY. It's a good reason why no unaccompanied woman in her right mind would take a stroll through the place. I have seen some creepy shit going on in that area, around sunset. There is a mulched copse of big trees just slightly down the hill, inside the park, a little farther back towards the Pride Intersection from where the bodies were found, that is always full of the traces of all kinds of "activity".

R456: If you live around homeless people, you'd recognize that they have pretty boring lives and beyond the panhandling are not intrusive toward other people.

What kind of activity? Gay hobo sex?

R355, Revels are mopeds, in my city are sometimes on the street, sometimes on the sidewalk. We have quite a few e scooter vendors, they are all over. Quite a hazard, esp for the visually impaired.

I do not think any of the individuals in the photos are likely to be the killer.

All kinds of sex goes on in dark parks, commercial and otherwise. Drug use and dealing as well.

Not much missionary sex, I imagine.

People are having missionary sex in broad daylight on the sidewalk in SF, so, would not rule it out, R360.

Is that at one of those festivals? Folsom?

They still haven't arrested anybody?

It looks like a large steak under the arm of the cane guy.

A bagged body part?

No, R362. Just an ordinary day, on the sidewalk, in broad daylight. Has also happened a few times recently in NY on subway platforms.

I think the guy with the cane was out there cruising for action, but a dark park does not seem like it would be a safe place for a person using a cane. It seems like he could have easily have been a victim of criminal activity.

[Quote] Think about when you go vote next time when you going to elect the same group of “progressives”, the same people who’ve been running this place to the ground for the past 50 years. Think about it and vote for a change. The end.

Hmm. Why does Mr Sparnas use John Hurt's face for his Twitter profile?

Need more pictures of the sidewalk fucking at R366. Shame the guy only posted one.

R368 He's Russian and tweeting against progressives. I get it, but not from Russians.

Dude seemed to walk pretty well, maybe the cane was for defense if needed?

Having lived in Midtown many years back, I agree with the person who speculated that Katie angled off into the outskirts of the park somewhere after the Pride intersection. Not just to hide the shitting dog, but to hide herself from the traffic. Women get harassed a lot when walking, especially at night. It probably felt more safe—the edge of the park is fairly open in that stretch, until you get to the gate.

As for that gate, I avoided it when I used the park. It was creepy as hell to me. My convenient entrance was the wider Piedmont side gate where Cane Man is exiting. I’d still avoid using that one during quiet times to maintain safety—too easy for someone to hide. I mean, come on, perverts love public parks.

John Steed used to keep a blade in his umbrella.

Have we seen a picture yet of the creepy gate? Seems like all the surveillance is of the not-so-creepy entrance used by the cane man and others.

Look at it on streetview?

[quote]Dude seemed to walk pretty well, maybe the cane was for defense if needed?

[quote]John Steed used to keep a blade in his umbrella.

Bartitsu uses canes and hats for self defense. There's also a Korean form of martial arts that uses canes.

Bowie was found 50ft in from that entrace, correct?

During the day the park doesn't look so menacing.

So the guy in the background of the 911 call was able to see Katie’s body, it wasn’t so terribly hidden.

I’m sorry, but I really want to know more details. It’s horrifying that whoever did this is still out there.

R377 I think Bowie was found on the pathway to the left of the road. The jogger was on the road, which is why he didn't see Bowie (there is shrubbery between the pathway and the road). I also believe the KJ was found near the tree, which is to the left of the pathway.

Why was the gf not afraid of some guy who walks into it? (During her 911 call)

Why would she have been, R381?

It is strange that there were quite a few people around yet no one came upon the body before the gf.

I thought the person who walked up on the scene sounded female.

I presume because the gf saw him react to seeing Katie's body.

The 10th street gate is has more clustered trees and bushes than the other gates and is just very claustrophobia-inducing, especially in the dark. You could get away with a lot in there.

There was a shooting right by that gate in March.

Could have been the killer, R381.

Women in dark parks, never mind next to a murdered body, are typically wary of strange men.

So she’s guilty, is that what you’re getting at, R388?

I don't think they would have called in the FBI if she was remotely a suspect, R389.

It is not inconceivable that the killer could have been lurking nearby.

But wasn't Chris Watts a suspect? And the FBI was called then?

R391 Indeed, he was. Indeed, they were. Indeed, he did it.

Unlike Watts, the timeline does not appear to allow her to have committed the crime. Time will tell. There are rumors in Atlanta of other killings, suggesting a pattern beyond this victim.

[quote] But wasn't Chris Watts a suspect? And the FBI was called then?

Watts was a man. Watts had a motive.

Can you people please get your heads out of your asses? You’re being awfully trollish and stupid.

The FBI was probably called in on the Watts case because of missing children.

R395, that’s what I understood, too. And then when they were found, CBI took on the case. Feds were not needed.

Here in NYC, I followed the Katrina Vetrano case because I thought it was fishy that the victim’s father called out the big guns immediately when she was like half an hour late coming back from her run. He also discovered her dead body. And he gave such an odd interview, I felt certain there was something fishy about it.

Now I believe that the man arrested and convicted is the murderer (a mentally ill black man who was basically a vagrant). There are people who still deny his guilt, though, and are working to appeal. The father was definitely fucked up, but he didn’t kill her.

Anyway, my point is that someone can act weird, but it doesn’t automatically mean they’re the killer.

With the Chris Watts case, the FBI was called in and immediately, in less than 24 hours, started interviewing Chris, and he confessed the next day. I just can't believe that if the FBI thought Emma had done it, that they wouldn't have interviewed her days ago, or that they would allow her to keep giving news interviews.

[quote] Watts was a man.

So?

As someone said, kids were involved in the Watts case. That makes a difference.

What about the Adam Walsh case? How creepy to find only his head. Just 6 years old. Do you think O’toole did it?

^^^^sorry wrong thread

Bowie was their kid.

The deceased also had a dog. An elderly pitbull.

And the elderly age probably saved its life.

R404 wtf

[Quote] wtf

If the elderly dog were younger, it may have been on the walk with Katie and Bowie.

If the investigators suspect that the GF had something to hide or was not forthcoming, you’d better believe they would’ve interrogated her just like in the Chris Watt case. The GF is not a suspect.

R407 actually believes that place is being run by Einsteins. Most places in the US are run by incompetents.

Is it unusual that no one has been arrested?

R408 maybe you should go there to tell the investigators to arrest the GF. You obviously know so much more than the FBI.

Not really, R409. The cold case rate is quite high in most major US cities.

It is odd there have been no updates.

My guess is they know a lot and don’t want to tip off the killer.

Yes, the girlfriend and her accomplice

I don’t believe the girlfriend did it or hired someone. Not everyone is an eloquent speaker and especially after a loved one has been brutally murdered.

I remember one time picking up some bark for my yard at a nursery and this young kid who was helping me blurted out his brother had just died. I listened to him for a bit and told him to take care, etc. Grief and shock are a hard combo to handle.

I’m thinking the perp is a loner and will be caught.

This is also the question I have with the Watts case: how did the killer cram so much activity into so little time?

Someone on Websleuths said that another person discovered the bodies and called it in to 911 before the girlfriend did! So Katie was dead even sooner than I thought. The killer must have gotten her as soon as she got close to the park.

It doesn’t take a lot of time to kill somebody with a knife especially a throat cut. We also don’t know what all was done. Too much speculation.

But the blood spurt that would result... Was the killer wearing a raincoat and hat?

Cutting a throat from behind? And again, we have NO IDEA what was done except a cut throat.

How can you ensure you cut someone's throat from behind when that person is walking a dog?

R420 We’ll find out.

R420 There’s literally dozens of scenarios where this could happen. Literally.

[Quote] There’s literally dozens of scenarios where this could happen. Literally.

I'm not saying that someone couldn't possibly do it but there had to be a frenzy element to this murder - even just to separate Katie and Bowie. To not leave a trail of blood showing the escape route... I presume the killer changed clothes, shoes etc. very quickly, probably before even leaving the park.

If the gf did it I’ll suck a dick! I swear!

She didn’t.

Folks, we got ourselves a real live serial killer on our hands.

What was the distance between the dog and her body? Those of us that had dogs for years know you can't assume a dog is going to be protective. In a situation like this you can't even determine if the dog was protecting itself or Katie. Hell, you can't even determine what Katie's actions would be. If it were me I would be running towards my dog to protect it, but not everyone would do that. And I have protected my dog, because she cowers behind me, from other dogs. Maybe reporters are not asking the right questions, but I want to know more about Bowie. Was he protective? Did he show an aggression towards certain people? Some dogs hate men no matter what.

The people who think the girlfriend did it or hired someone to do it, are literally retarded. I’ve said this before and I’ll keep saying it. You people are stone cold stupid, at the retardation level.

R425 the dog was found on the walking path 100 feet from Katie.

R316, I'm a runner. Often at night.

I am so in my own world when I run, I could 100 percent see myself jogging right past a dead body and never even if it was gruesomely displayed. It's my "thinking" time. FWIW.

Thanks R427. That's quite the distance.

R429 we know so little of the true details, but someone surmised that Bowie may have moved to that location after being attacked. Often, animals will attempt to find shelter or seclusion when in pain. It's just awful all around.

When they know they are dying R430 they will find an out of the way spot. We don't know if he was killed there, dragged there, or crawled there.

I'm a physical coward, if someone was attacking my dog I couldn't stop myself from sprinting in the opposite direction. Chicken shits live longer.

[quote] To not leave a trail of blood showing the escape route... I presume the killer changed clothes, shoes etc. very quickly, probably before even leaving the park.

The thing is, the public knows very little about any of this. The authorities are holding their cards close which is probably a good sign—they may not need help.

The killer didn’t need to exit through a gate because that park is very open. Isn’t that old cruising area directly to the northeast of the crime scene? That’s one secluded way to slip out.

Wherever he exited, there’s got to be dozens of porch and business security cameras with his image and direction of travel.

True, but would the killer have chanced leaving the park in bloody clothing? Once the street lights are reached, it's very exposed. And it wasn't like there was no one around.

Again, I'm not sure why it's so important to some people on here that we "admit" that the dog might not have been protecting Katie. Whether the dog was defending her or not, there was apparently some sign that the dog had bit or clawed the murderer.

It doesn't seem likely that someone murdered Katie and then chased down her terrified dog and murdered them, too. The dog could surely have gotten away easily. But disabling the dog (especially if he had trotted off away from Katie briefly, either to go or because he accidentally got off the leash) and then chasing down Katie, that seems far more likely. Or as others said, the dog could have been injured and crawled/dragged some distance.

Dl sleuths- do you think the murderer will be found?

In the CCTV footage, the Little Rock serial killer looks like his left foot is a "drop foot." As he is walking and he lifts his left leg to take a step, his left foot flops down vertically and he has to drag it a bit. It seems like his left foot lags behind in the tempo of his gait. The left leg and the right leg don't have the same walking rhythm.

It is most noticeable when he walks past the red stop sign. You can also see it at the beginning of the video when he is walking on the sidewalk.

The LR serial killer is said to be 6 feet tall.

The guy in the Little Rock video seems to have a much longer stride with legs pointed straight ahead, while the guy with the cane in Piedmont Park has a gait where his feet point outward and his legs move a little to the side when he steps forward.

Also when I enlarged the video on this site I saw what looked like a strap above the red thing, I think it IS a bag that he's got hanging over his shoulder. The red thing doesn't move with the shirt so I don't think it's actually on the fabric.

I am concerned this will go cold, R436.

I don't think whoever did this is a one-and-done murderer. I'm not sure they'll catch him soon but eventually they will. Same with the Little Rock guy. Unfortunately others are probably going to be murdered in the meantime.

Somebody might have seen or heard something. The thing is, police tend to get tunnel vision in the hopes of closing the case and create a circumstantial case against somebody innocent. Especially a POC. If I was a witness I’m not sure I would come forward.

The dog was likely disabled first. The killer could have presented as very friendly (they often are very charming especially serial killers), quickly stabbed the dog (maybe the dog was away from her off the leash), when she came to see what was going on (it’s dark maybe she couldn’t see well), he quickly slit her throat, quickly did some other horrible thing,then off into the night. It could happen in a few short minutes.

Also, WE DON’T KNOW ANY DETAILS. I do think authorities know far more than we think. This will not go cold.

I’m doubting the mutilation details until I hear it as fact. I think there wasn’t enough time to perform the ritual (enjoyment) that a ritualistic serial killer does. But it could be a serial killer, the kind who just wants people dead, and doesn’t care to savor it.

Could have taken trophies, R442.

Wasn't the dog a pit bull? I thought it's the most dangerous breed to mess with. I always steer away when I see one.

R444, me too. I never seem to hear about them attacking men, though. They seem to prefer children and old ladies.

And the people who love them always say “she’s a big goofy puppy. She wouldn’t harm a fly!” Which does seem to be the case - until they snap.

[Quote] there was apparently some sign that the dog had bit or clawed the murderer.

Let's stick to what we know.

We DO know that r446, have since earlier this month!

[quote]Investigators believe it is almost a certainty the pet named Bowie engaged with the killer in an effort to protect his owner.

Almost a certainty. That's journalistic bullshit. Wait until we get a clear statement.

[quote] I'm having difficulty imagining a woman committing this horrific crime

R447/OP, you've posted plenty of speculation. I post something from a news article that we've discussed for days on this thread, and you call it "bullshit" and try to tell me I can't post about it.

You've been scolding several people on this thread for no reason and have asked tons of questions that were already answered before you asked. Just stop. You're being a pain in the ass, probably on purpose.

R444, this dog seemed to be on the smaller side for a pitbull. They did obtain DNA from the dog's coat and mouth so it did try to defend itself and perhaps Katie. The perp was skilled or very lucky to take on 2, or maybe he had help.

R451 Lesbian girlfriends are very tough cookies, especially when they enlist help from other lesbians.

Weird glitch ^^^ I posted this in another thread

Her GF did not do this. Period.

And that's on periodt.

I pray this is not dyke drama personified. It’s a horrible image for LGB ..

Why would an uncommon event like this be a horrible image for the community?

Because he likes to refer to lesbians as “dykes” and he’s ashamed of being gay, and is consumed with what people think of him as a gay man. Is he the average gay man? I don’t know.

Sadly, there is a stereotype of lesbians in relationships to be violent and crazy.

Quit trying to derail.

I’m not in “the gf did it” camp, but you’ve got to admit that it is uniquely lesbian to ping your partner’s phone whereabouts the instant you come home and she’s not there.

And visiting your gf’s work when she’ll be home in an hour, for that matter.

That seems very suffocating to me, R461.

I was struck by bringing the dog to a restaurant, that is not common in my city, Atlanta must be different. Also, who needs to "see" their dog an hour before they go home? I think dogs inside a restaurant is against the health code where I live. Some allow outside on a patio.

If for however many years you came home from work and your partner was always there without fail,none of you would find it odd if they werent? And if you called to find out why and there was no answer,you wouldnt immediately worry ? Also,I know plenty of people who are able to track there loved ones phones.Thats hardly new or creepy . What year are yall typing from,1992?

The dog autopsy is taking a long time, no? I’m thinking they know and have known.

This is starting to remind me of Susan Smith a little bit.

The dog did it.

Who is Susan Smith?

FF’d^.

That's an old Connie Stevens movie, right?

I’m not ruling girlfriend out

I don’t know anymore myself, R471. Something is not adding up here. I think the police and the FBI already know and they don’t need the dog.

They suspect girlfriend and her accomplice

I think the FBI is just planning the right time to move in.

Glad to see I’m not the only one who thought their relationship was a bit intense. I don’t track my spouse’s phone and he doesn’t track mine. Do people really do that? I don’t know anyone who does that.

Was it usual for Katie to pop in and visit Emma at work? With the dog? It sounds like someone was possessive and jealous. It might have gone in both directions, too.

I’m not saying the girlfriend killed her, but something isn’t adding up here. The timeline is really tight.

Or r475, that might have been a ruse to show how devoted a girlfriend she was

Maybe the live girlfriend nagged the dead girlfriend against walking the dog late at night and they compromised with the tracker.

Why visit your girlfriend late into her shift and not stick around to go home together?

My shitty ex used to come up to my work and act all jovial to my coworkers so when his shittiness reached abusive levels only the women me

Was the restaurant really, really far away from home?

[Quote] so when his shittiness reached abusive levels only the women me

Come again?

I think they both worked less than a mile from home. Did they live together? Where was the other, elderly dog?

Anymore interviews with creepy girlfriend?

Seems like they both liked to keep tabs on each other. That’s kind of old school U-Haul lesbian, but necessarily nefarious.

NOT necessarily nefarious.

[quote]Seems like they both liked to keep tabs on each other.

In one of the interviews Emma said she didn't want Katie to go out walking late at night but couldn't get her to stop, so the tracker on her phone was a compromise.

I think Emma looking for her immediately was the same situation as with that missing runner in California: a partner who knew they were engaging in behavior that was potentially unsafe, so they were already a little worried, and the second they were late they knew something had gone wrong.

R486 Yeah. That's it! That's exactly what I was doing. I was really, really worried.

R486 We lost interest in the missing hiker pretty quickly. I'm surprised this thread that features lesbos has lasted so long.

What about Alan, the Dallas A-gay? Are we still interested?

Because Say what you will about Atlanta, but this type of crime is rare.

Speaking of recent true crimes we’ve lost interest in: I still want to know what happened to that very young gay (???) man in Texas who disappeared on a rural road and left his car, clothing, and goldfish behind.

Any new information?

Exactly r492

R489 No we grew bored of Alan once his remains had been found. Rusty is probably in Puerto Vallarta sipping mimosas, on Alan's life insurance money, as we speak.

I hope they’re scouring every residential and business camera around the perimeter of that park.

I think this is going to be a cold case unless and until the murderer/serial killer strikes again.

Is the girlfriend a person of interest ?

No POI has been identified by LE. The timeline would suggest she was not involved.

R497 No! Absolutely not! I've been completely cooperative with the investigation and I'm not weird or creepy at all when talking about my fucking dead girlfriend!

Well, as law enforcement doesn’t appear to think you’re in any way involved (no reasonably intelligent person does, by the way), you can relax, “Homicidal Girlfriend” @ R499.

R499 Thank you! As you can tell, I've been very upset about my dead fucking girlfriend.

Okay, that was actually funny, R501.

It takes a minute. They will find asshole

I still think girlfriend and more likely female accomplice did this .

R504? Why female? A man would be better suited to “dispatch” both dog and woman with speed and strength.

R505 The woman I was cheating on my fucking dead girlfriend with...er...the totally unknown to me murderer...is butch as hell and can bench press 500 pounds while holding a cinder block on her stomach.

[quote] I still think girlfriend and more likely female accomplice did this .

I wonder what such a person (the DLer who wrote the above) is like in real life. Exhausting, I imagine.

R507 Not half as exhausting as my dead fucking girlfriend!

Surely R508 is more properly a femicidal girlfriend?