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Constance Ford - Great Actress

One of my favorites. Was there ever another actress who could match Constance playing a bad ass mother? I don't think so. Check out "A Summer Place" with Troy Donahue and Sandra Dee. Here is the "Merry Christmas" scene.

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by Anonymousreply 521Last Tuesday at 5:37 AM

Some more great scenes from "A Summer Place". Constance means well in trying to preserve moral purity and white culture!

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by Anonymousreply 106/03/2021

Tres jolie, as the French would say. Tres, tres Jolie!

by Anonymousreply 206/03/2021

Connie was great. She should have won the Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 306/03/2021

Constance Ford was a BITCH to me on the set of "Another World"!

by Anonymousreply 406/03/2021

Was this person a professional actress?

Did they pull her in off the street at the last moment to perform this role?

by Anonymousreply 506/03/2021

Wow! The two women in OP's video are such terrible actors. They are literally chewing up the scenery. Did either of them ever work again?

The best bit of the video is at 1.05 onwards.

by Anonymousreply 606/03/2021

Horrible acting. I doubt she ever worked again.

by Anonymousreply 706/03/2021

I always thought it was weird that she would tell her father about undressing for the neighbor to see. What a nasty little fat faced whore!

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by Anonymousreply 806/03/2021

No one would ever believe Connie Ford as someone's mother after seeing that performance.

by Anonymousreply 906/03/2021

She was such a cunt to the people at AW. Miserable old bitch. Never happy. Prolly because she was a lonely old dyke.

by Anonymousreply 1006/04/2021

Her chef d'oeuvre was the "Perry Mason" episode where she played a woman with a split personality.

by Anonymousreply 1106/04/2021

Nightmare scenario: Connie Ford, Kim Zimmer, Grayson Hall and Jeanne Cooper in the same scene together.

by Anonymousreply 1206/04/2021

There would be no set left!

by Anonymousreply 1306/04/2021

Can you imagine if Connie had said to Kim Zimmer ‘get the FUCK out of my light’ like Connie said to some innocent underling? Kim would have knocked the pussy juice out of Cunt Connie.

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by Anonymousreply 1506/04/2021

Constance is amazing in this "Thriller" episode from September 27, 1960 called "Worse Than Murder". Take time to watch this 49:56 minute gem and if you are not a Constance fan you will be . She was slimmed down at the time and looks great in the early 1960's fashions, my favorite era. Wait till you see her rough up Marlon Brando's real life sister Jocelyn. How do you say BITCH !

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by Anonymousreply 1606/04/2021

I've always confused her with Joyce Van Patten

by Anonymousreply 1706/04/2021

Wasn't she sort of a poor-man's Shelley Winters?

by Anonymousreply 1806/04/2021

Did she munch any famous carpet?

by Anonymousreply 1906/04/2021

Sandra Dee's pussy - yum yum yum!

by Anonymousreply 2006/04/2021

She always played unlikeable characters.

by Anonymousreply 2106/04/2021

Nancy Hughes would’ve straightened that tramp Sandra Dee out without ruining Christmas

by Anonymousreply 2206/04/2021

Bert Bauer would have slapped her, kicked her in the cunt and had her recast before Christmas.

by Anonymousreply 2306/05/2021

Jessie Brewer would have strangled Ada with that dish towel.

by Anonymousreply 2406/05/2021

Ada wasn't a Nancy Hughes/Bert Bauer type. AW's version of that character was Mary Matthews. Ada was the type who ran with a fast crowd in her teens and probably "had" to get married.

by Anonymousreply 2506/05/2021

She was partnered for some time with Louise Fitzhugh, author of Harriet the Spy. That boggles my mind.

by Anonymousreply 2606/05/2021

R26 WHAT???

by Anonymousreply 2706/05/2021

She was a very effective bitch. She was brilliant.

by Anonymousreply 2806/05/2021

Louise said that Connie’s snatch stunk.

by Anonymousreply 2906/05/2021

Ada was not a bitch.

by Anonymousreply 3006/05/2021

Ada and Mary always maintained their friendship, which baffled Harding Lemay.

by Anonymousreply 3106/05/2021

Connie was quite handsome in her youth, in a Jodie-esque way.

by Anonymousreply 3206/05/2021

I have this picture of Connie framed and hanging in the downstairs small bathroom. I am perfectly okay with you calling me Mary!

But I love this picture of her.

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by Anonymousreply 3506/05/2021

It would make it easier for you to sneak off with his HARLOT OF A MOTHER!

by Anonymousreply 3606/05/2021

R33 has an old bottle of Calgon in there, too. I just know it!

by Anonymousreply 3706/05/2021

Constance Ford (Ada) in a scene with Kathleen Widdoes (Rose) from Another World

Great scene - go 6:24 into video

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by Anonymousreply 3806/05/2021

Oh, really, R35. We were having such a nice afternoon.

Then you dared to mention the unmentionable.....Cecile.

by Anonymousreply 3906/05/2021

That episode at R38 has so many amazing moments.

Just that end bit...the nuances of Rachel and Mac's expressions, the way we subtly see how Liz is in love with Mac.....

by Anonymousreply 4006/05/2021

R27. It’s discussed in the new bio of Fitzhugh, “Sometimes You Have to Lie.”

by Anonymousreply 4106/05/2021

R41 How interesting. And what a great title.

by Anonymousreply 4206/05/2021

Donna, dear @r39, We could be talking about the person who sacrificed her life so you could live -- Frankie Frame.

by Anonymousreply 4306/05/2021

I’m old enough to remember when Jamie Frame SPANKED Robin Strasser Rachel!

by Anonymousreply 4406/05/2021

Jamie spanked his mother?!?

by Anonymousreply 4506/05/2021

That must have been a sight to behold. Robin Strasser left the role of Rachel in 1972 while Jamie was three years old

Wonder if there are screen caps of toddler Jamie spanking his adult mother?

by Anonymousreply 4606/05/2021

Miss R44 probably means Steve spanked Rachel.

They had the kind of love we'll never know, after all.

by Anonymousreply 4706/05/2021

Love, love, love her! And nobody could've referred to another woman using the term "harlot" like Connie could!

by Anonymousreply 4806/05/2021

ORD is annoying. Fuck off.

by Anonymousreply 4906/06/2021

[R33] Thank you for the beautiful picture of Constance! Would she be in the "chic older lesbian" category? I first read that term to describe Coral Browne in the 1968 movie " The Killing of Sister George". Interesting movie. I will have to do a search on DL to see if there is a thread already.

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by Anonymousreply 5006/06/2021

Why was she a nasty old bitch to everyone, including fans?

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by Anonymousreply 5206/06/2021

Every time someone posts a clip of Connie from Another World, I always think- Wow, what a shitty fucking actress this old dyke was.

by Anonymousreply 5306/06/2021

Well, ain't that a kick in the cunt.

by Anonymousreply 5406/06/2021

Yes, Connie, it really is.

by Anonymousreply 5506/06/2021

Shelly Winters IS the poor man’s Shelly Winters.

by Anonymousreply 5606/06/2021

Constance Ford? Constance Nasty!

by Anonymousreply 5706/06/2021

Hush it, Alma.

by Anonymousreply 5806/06/2021

OP - John Waters

by Anonymousreply 5906/06/2021

On Perry Mason...

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by Anonymousreply 6006/06/2021

[quote]Why was she a nasty old bitch to everyone, including fans?

Was she a nasty bitch who was it that she didn't suffer fools? I think it was VW or it may have been Robin Strasser who said that Connie liked to test newbies to see if they could take it. Connie had been through it and worked with some of the greats. She probably didn't have time for nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 6106/06/2021


Ada Hobson is a human roach nest!

by Anonymousreply 6206/06/2021

She was awful on Another World. Wooden, shrill and reading cue cards (badly). By then she was frumpy and mannish and not soap opera material at all. But I guess they wanted to emphasize Rachel was from a blue collar background.

Watching the soap with my mom after school, I had no idea she'd been a competent actress decades ago, til I happened to stumble upon A Summer Place.

by Anonymousreply 6306/06/2021

She was good on early AW. By the time they went to an hour she had to reply on cards and no longer gave a fuck.

by Anonymousreply 6406/06/2021

When did AW stop putting Ada in dresses? Was it the early 80s?

by Anonymousreply 6506/06/2021

R21 [quote] She always played unlikeable characters.

I thought that was Dame Angela's speciality

by Anonymousreply 6606/06/2021

Her cue card reading on AW was embarrassingly bad. Rauch should have told her to learn her fucking lines.

by Anonymousreply 6706/07/2021

[quote]She was awful on Another World. Wooden, shrill and reading cue cards (badly).

People claim she was reading cue cards long after AW had abandoned cue cards. Looking sideways was just an acting tic.

by Anonymousreply 6806/07/2021

R68 No. she read cue cards.

by Anonymousreply 6906/07/2021

[quote] People claim she was reading cue cards long after AW had abandoned cue cards.

Victoria Wyndham said she used her influence to get rid of cue cards. Some actors were pissed off at her, but she didn't care. She said it made for a better show saying "We are actors, not readers"

by Anonymousreply 7006/07/2021

I had a dream the other night in which Lady Eyes-a-Buggin' played my mother.

by Anonymousreply 7106/07/2021

Cunty cunt who loved cunt Connie Ford used cue cards endlessly.

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by Anonymousreply 7306/07/2021

Ol' Connie is looking everywhere BUT at the actress playing her daughter (who looks young enough to be her granddaughter).

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by Anonymousreply 7406/07/2021

[quote] I had a dream the other night in which Lady Eyes-a-Buggin' played my mother.

—not Jamie, Amanda, or Matthew

Are you one of post-menopausal twins she had with Carl? The boy was named Cory, but I can't remember the girl's name...

by Anonymousreply 7506/07/2021

R74, I appreciate her 'choice' as an actress to shout all of her lines for two minute straight without any modulation whatsoever...

by Anonymousreply 7606/07/2021

No big surprise that the ole dyke Connie was never even nominated for an emmy. But they didn’t have a best cue card reader category.

by Anonymousreply 7706/07/2021

Am I the only one who preferred Philece Sempler rather than the ethnic looking Anna Stuart?

by Anonymousreply 7806/07/2021

r78, yes.

by Anonymousreply 7906/07/2021

R12 Constance and Jeanne duked it out in "House of Women" (1962).

I adore her too, OP. She did show warmth as Ada, something she didn't get to do much in her other TV or movie roles.

I would love to see her work as the murderous Eve on "Edge of Night". Ironically, both her character and Irene Dailey's Pamela Stewart stabbed their victims. Talk about scissor sisters!

by Anonymousreply 8006/07/2021

She always looked like a cow. Why didn't the studios insist she get into shape?

by Anonymousreply 8106/07/2021

There were no other matriarchs quite like Ada on the other shows. Someone who was crusty and cunty and who we all knew cursed like a sailor off screen. Liz Foster on Y&R probably comes closest, maybe Geraldine Whitney on Edge.

by Anonymousreply 8206/07/2021

And all three of them played by lesbians, r82!

by Anonymousreply 8306/07/2021

[quote]R74 Ol' Connie is looking everywhere BUT at the actress playing her daughter

I love how, on a scale of 1 to 10, she starts at about a 12 there and has nowhere to go... except a heart attack.

by Anonymousreply 8406/07/2021

Yes, R78, you are the only one who preferred Philece Sampler as Donna Love. I thought Philece and Joanna Going (the young woman who played Lisa Grady) looked too much alike. I remember when Anna Stuart first started on AW. I thought she was pretty and sophisticated, and the show dressed her so nice.

by Anonymousreply 8506/07/2021

Philece could have played a recast Nicole, but maybe even Rachel’s long lost sister Pam, but not Donna. Donna had an edge to her, she was sort of a replacement for Iris (when she first came to town Brian Bancroft and others said she reminded them of Iris). Philece didn’t have that snarky, bitchy edge to her that Anna Stuart had.

by Anonymousreply 8606/07/2021

[quote] She always looked like a cow. Why didn't the studios insist she get into shape

Studios can't change her prominent wide-spaced nostrils and wide head.

by Anonymousreply 8706/07/2021

Philece was GREAT as Donna Love. Why they brought that old bitch Stuart back was another nail in the coffin of AW. Just because Stuart couldn’t get another job so she begged for her old job back. Not classy.

by Anonymousreply 8806/07/2021

Another vote for Philece being amazing as Donna. I know it's an inside joke here, but she really was brand new sexy Donna. She infused the character with vitality and sex appeal, something Stuart had very little of. And you could finally understand why a stud like Michael Hudson would move heaven and earth to be with her. His motivation made zero sense with the Stuart in the role. She looked bored out of her mind the entire time, like she didn't wanna be there and was just doing it for the paycheck. I didn't sense that from Philece at all. It was a major blunder bringing Stuart back. And Stuart couldn't have been such a fan fave if JFP was planning on killing off Donna based on focus group research, and was only spared because Alice Barrett's rating with the focus group was EVEN LOWER than Stuart's.

by Anonymousreply 8906/07/2021

Please, get some new material, troll, I beg you.

by Anonymousreply 9006/07/2021

This woman is the Poor Man's Angela Lansbury

by Anonymousreply 9106/07/2021

[quote] Please, get some new material, troll, I beg you.

The troll desperately needs to be institutionalized.

by Anonymousreply 9206/07/2021

[quote] the actress playing her daughter (who looks young enough to be her granddaughter).

That was the point. Nancy was a "change of life baby" and part of the redemption of Rachel storyline.

by Anonymousreply 9306/07/2021

She was 18 and Ada looked 70. That life changed well before Nancy was born.

by Anonymousreply 9406/07/2021

R82 I like the Lois Kibbee quote "I wield a mean broom" indescribing her turn as being on cleaning duty in her New York apartments during her heyday as Geraldine. Kibbee was closer to Irene Dailey as the dress wearing old lesbian who could do comedy really well. Ford got a few opportunities to do comedy, but she was great as a sounding board even to non-relations like Jake. It's obvious that she was drawn to younger actors as a mentor but they had to pass her test first to be worthy of it. Some people can't handle that and would consider it offensive, but she knew it was a tough business, and why would she waste her time on younger actors who wouldn't be around for more than their 13 week cycle. Sandra Ferguson and Matthew Crane obviously past her test. The scene between Matthew and Ada after Mac died is classic, and I'm glad to use that at her memorial. At one point, they tried to create a triangle with Ada, Liz and Brian which would have been funny because of his past relationship with Iris had they actually pursued it a bit more.

by Anonymousreply 9506/08/2021

I don't recall an Ada/Brian/Liz triangle. I recall him being paired with Pat before Bev P. was let go, and they hinted at something between him and Donna.

by Anonymousreply 9606/08/2021

She was an extreme over-actor. Always screaming at everyone on AW.

by Anonymousreply 9706/08/2021

R96 This occurred shortly before Paul Stevens was written off. The three of them had to go somewhere in the winter time and got stranded. I think they had to bundle together to stay warm. Liz was being very kittenish about it while Ada was more stoic. It never went anywhere beyond mild comic relief and ended rather abruptly. Brian and Donna lasted pretty much through Anna Stuart's whole first year. It basically ended when Charles Keating was written in.

I'm wondering why Constance had only a few scenes over the years with Barbara Berjer who played Bridget. There was one scene when Bridget came to the mansion for a party when Vicky was pregnant with Jamie's baby, but for some reason, they didn't interact much outside of a few phone conversations even though they were in the same storylines. Barbara and Constance were on The Edge of Night at the same time, but I can't find out anything about Barbara's character, Irene.

by Anonymousreply 9806/08/2021

Well, ain't r97 a kick in the cunt?

by Anonymousreply 9906/08/2021

I don't know about "overacting" as much as, she didn't always seem to modulate her film or stage technique for TV.

by Anonymousreply 10006/08/2021

[quote]The scene between Matthew and Ada after Mac died is classic, and I'm glad to use that at her memorial.

Here it is starting at about 3:20. Obviously, she did "modulate" her performance.

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by Anonymousreply 10106/08/2021

Not sure why there are "quote marks" around the word modulate, but it is the appropriate term (or one of them) to be used in that sentence.

by Anonymousreply 10206/08/2021

Sorry, didn't mean to imply that modulate was incorrect, R102, just wanted to highlight it.

by Anonymousreply 10306/08/2021

Thank you, r102. When Mac died, I had been watching Another World for less than a year. I became attached to those characters so quickly that even today, a tear came to my eye. I have never felt anything similar for the characters on Y&R, in spite of having watched that show on and off since around the same time.

by Anonymousreply 10406/08/2021

Use italics, r103, not quotation marks.

by Anonymousreply 10506/08/2021

Serial Monticello is a friggen nut.

by Anonymousreply 10606/08/2021

Another great Ada scene after Mac's death:

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Constance and a young Elaine Stritch looked as if they could have been sisters. Constance aged better, although Elaine did look prettier after "Follies in Concert" than she had just a few years before on "Edge of Night". She looks younger on "One Life to Live" in 1993 than she did when she played Mrs. DeGroot on "Edge", but in the 50's she was quite pretty, while Constance was more handsome.

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by Anonymousreply 10806/08/2021

Were Connie and Elaine scissor sisters? Did Elaine and Lois scissor when Elaine did her short-term stint on EON? Did Holland Taylor and Lois ever scissor?

by Anonymousreply 10906/08/2021

The clip at #74, I kept expecting her to slap the blonde girl into a Christmas tree.

by Anonymousreply 11006/08/2021

I find it so funny that Connie and Gail Brown shared so many scenes together. Brown, a godawful actress, seemed like the type of amateurish dumb blonde that Connie would just dismiss and not even acknowledge, but there must've been something that Connie saw that the viewers didn't in Gail's performance. Isn't Gail the "anonymous" actress that McKinsey said was always trying to steal her spotlight in their scenes, and she just eventually gave in and let her steal them?

by Anonymousreply 11106/08/2021

[quote]On Search for Tomorrow, Ford was Rose Peterson, an employee of the mob who was hired to discredit leading character Joanne Tate.

I would have paid cash money to see Connie, put ole Mary in her place.

by Anonymousreply 11206/08/2021

Never married. A lesbian?

by Anonymousreply 11306/08/2021

^Neither was Geri Court. What's your point?

by Anonymousreply 11406/08/2021

Many people from that generation made the choice to keep their private lives private.

by Anonymousreply 11506/08/2021

Silence = Death, #115

by Anonymousreply 11606/08/2021

Did she have a honey?

by Anonymousreply 11706/08/2021

Her obituary in The NY Times listed no survivors.

Was there an actor on AW that failed Connie’s test, and didn’t get along with her. I wonder how she felt about Anne Heche.

by Anonymousreply 11806/08/2021

I remember the scene in R1 where that mom forces her teen to be stripped and examined by a doctor to be TRAUMATIC!

I was like [bold]: o

by Anonymousreply 11906/08/2021

Early modeling days.

That look didn’t last long!

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by Anonymousreply 12006/08/2021

I want a tape of Connie and Lois eating each other out!!!

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by Anonymousreply 12206/08/2021

Ignore it r122. This troll always posts in any thread related to soap operas about the Lesbians and Other Old Bags of Proctor and Gamble soaps.

There’s always a post about some combination of Connie Ford, Irene Dailey, Geri Court or Lois Kibbee eating pussies. Or a post about Kim Zimmer using her own piss as moisturizer. Or Eileen Fulton clogging a toilet. Then a post about their feud with another poster on a different soap opera message board.

Always a variant of these posts, over and over and over again. She’s off her meds or they’ve been replaced with Tic Tacs. She needs help.

by Anonymousreply 12306/08/2021

It's the scat/scoche/sappho/soapoperanetwork troll.

by Anonymousreply 12406/08/2021

DL inserted a hyphen, so I'll try again:

It's the scat, Scoche, Sappho, Soap Opera Network troll.

by Anonymousreply 12506/08/2021

R121. Even I'd watch that.

by Anonymousreply 12606/08/2021

Looking kind of Dorothy Malone / Martha Hyer / Lola Albright.

I wonder if she was a boozer, or she deliberately let her looks go coarse at a certain point so she could play more character roles. (Of course, looking glamorous has a great deal to do with lighting, styling + makeup, etc. Not to mention retouching. So she might have looked blowsy offscreen already, away from the studio.)

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by Anonymousreply 12706/08/2021

It’s TGL.

by Anonymousreply 12806/08/2021

[quote]It's the scat, Scoche, Sappho, Soap Opera Network troll.

He started life as "Spicen."

by Anonymousreply 12906/08/2021

r127, that looks like Constance Towers, not Constance Ford.

by Anonymousreply 13006/08/2021

That ain't Connie Ford, r127.

by Anonymousreply 13106/08/2021

Serial Nutcase Monticello is here.

by Anonymousreply 13206/08/2021

Yes, R130, especially Constance Towers' signature is on it.

by Anonymousreply 13306/08/2021

Connie could have done Connie's role...

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by Anonymousreply 13406/08/2021

She was also very good in an episode of "The Twilight Zone" called "Uncle Simon" opposite Cedric Hardwicke:

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by Anonymousreply 13506/08/2021

What kind of acting style does she use? Method acting? Whatever it is, she is so mannered in everything I've seen her in. Just very stylized and ultimately artificial.

by Anonymousreply 13606/08/2021

[quote]r130 that looks like Constance Towers, not Constance Ford.

[quote]r131 That ain't Connie Ford

[quote]r133 especially as Constance Towers' signature is on it.

Oh my goodness! But it said on THE INTERNET that was Constance Ford ! ! !

[italic]How can this be ? ? ?

by Anonymousreply 13706/08/2021

In most of the non AW things I've seen her in, she plays good time girls or slutty types, which is why I think it's funny that she played a button up prude in A Summer Place. When she wasn't playing slutty types she the hard as nails type.

I can see why she was cast as Ada. I could see Ada being a slutty teen who thought Gerald Davis was the way out and got pregnant and after they were married a year or two, he dumped her and left her with Rachel. Ada turned to hair styling to make ends meet and spoiled Rachel.

by Anonymousreply 13806/08/2021

You'd think a hard as nails broad like Connie Ford would've hated doing soaps, which, by their nature, are generally sentimental and emotional. I'd have thought that type of writing would've gone against her grain.

by Anonymousreply 13906/08/2021

I lot of actors on soaps hate doing soaps, but their hate for soaps is overruled by their need to eat and have a roof over their heads.

by Anonymousreply 14006/08/2021

Connie Ford was not a glamour girl. She would have limited roles offered to her in film as she aged - while soap work offered a steady paycheck.

by Anonymousreply 14106/08/2021

Larry Bryggman comes most to mind, r140. He bashed the genre every chance he got. I have to say most of his criticism was valid, but he never learned to not bite the hand that feeds you.

by Anonymousreply 14206/08/2021

My Grandmother loved John Dixon. And she would call him John Dixon, just like that. "I've got see what John Dixon is doing today."

I'm gonna assume that Connie was grateful for the gig. She did some off Broadway stuff while on the show and Lemay really loved writing for the actress, apart from the Rachel stuff. She probably enjoyed the gig and the steady check. As a cast, the AW group just seemed more no nonsense than other soap casts.

by Anonymousreply 14306/08/2021

Well, that is until Jensen Buchanan showed up.

by Anonymousreply 14406/08/2021

R127: Someone whose posted here in the past used to see Ford getting wasted at some divey gin mill in Hell's Kitchen, so a likely answer is "Yes". She seems to lcak the sultriness of Dorothy Malone. Lola Albright and Martha Hyer seemed more refined, although Hyer never really got beyond third string Junior Leager parts. She seemed like a tougher version of Diane Baker, getting similar level work.

by Anonymousreply 14506/08/2021

Enough people have gone from soaps to much bigger things, that I'm sure that people who stayed in soaps often were bitter. And unlike most of teh more successful people, they didn't have the option of doing dinner theater and regional road shows after their fame had faded. Other than Susan Lucci, I can't imagine many veteran soap stars who would have been recognizable to a wider public.

Many of the older soap actors like Macdonald Carey were washed-up B-movie types and I'm sure they were glad to have the work.

by Anonymousreply 14606/08/2021

Whatever the fuck THAT means!

by Anonymousreply 14706/08/2021

Bev Penberthy said that Hugh Marlowe, who was forever flubbing his lines, only took the AW gig to support his late-in-life child.

by Anonymousreply 14806/08/2021

Movie actors who did soaps, in addition to Connie... after their movie careers

Macdonald Carey

Joan Bennett

Dana Andrews

Kim Hunter

Joan Crawford

Julianne Moore

Hugh Marlowe

by Anonymousreply 14906/08/2021

“Once I wanted to study acting, so I had an interview with Lee Strasberg at the Actors Studio. I was 14. That was against the rules. Mama told them I was 18, but they knew. It was horrendous. He asked me these stock questions. I hate stock questions. He said, ‘Who’s your favorite actor?’ I said, ‘Constance Ford.’ He said, ‘Who?’ Very sarcastically. I don’t have favorites, I don’t think about actors, she just seemed to me good. Obviously, that was not the right answer. " - Tuesday Weld

by Anonymousreply 15006/08/2021

^Don't forget the aforementioned Constance Towers and all her 'Capitol' cronies: Rory Calhoun, Richard Egan, Carolyn Jones, Ed Nelson, and Julie Adams. There was also Ruth Warrick, Wesley Addy, Celeste Holm and tons of others.

by Anonymousreply 15106/08/2021

Thanks for adding those names R151. I forgot all about Capitol.

by Anonymousreply 15206/08/2021

Julianne Moore did soaps before she had a movie career. She was still pretty unknown even she did her last soap (As the World Turns). She came back for a one-off 20+ years later but it's not like she signed on to be the new adulterous tart in town.

Crawford was on very briefly--she was pretty washed-up but it doesn't count in the same way as someone like Macdonald Carey.

by Anonymousreply 15306/08/2021

Ford seemed like she was no stranger to bellowing the phrase, 'Suck my dick' in her off-screen life.

by Anonymousreply 15406/08/2021

Is it true that Judy Garland recognized Connie in the audience of one of her concerts and yelled out "I know you. You're Ada. I watch you every day on TV."? I wonder if Connie was pleasantly surprised, or angry that Judy only knew her from her soap work.

by Anonymousreply 15506/08/2021

Wasn't Gail Brown my sister?

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by Anonymousreply 15606/08/2021

Other washed up Hollywood names who turned to soaps were David Canary, James Mitchell, Bethel Leslie, Phil Carey and K.T. Stevens,

by Anonymousreply 15706/08/2021

Beverly Penberthy’s nephew here. I met Connie Ford several times. She definitely was a no-nonsense lady. She showed up to the AW studio on time and was 100% prepared. Those who weren’t ready or prepared were dealt with accordingly. The days were long at the AW studio in Brooklyn. She would say at times that she had to “quit this fucking dump!” When in reality, deep down inside she liked being a part of AW. She was private. Back then, being gay or lesbian was not good for your career. Yes, the younger actors were taken aback by her but that was just who she was. Connie never flaunted her career. Yes by the time she hit AW she did settle for less. But her AW money afforded her a real nice co- op. Her favorite past times were booze and cigarettes. My aunt was told toward the end Connie was very sick and worked until she simply couldn’t. My aunt Bev always thought she was 10 years older than what she said she was. Also, she did have a very nice relationship Vicky Wyndham.

by Anonymousreply 15806/08/2021

Connie was every old dyke. Rough around the edges, heart of gold.

by Anonymousreply 15906/08/2021

She hit me in the head with a fondue pot, r159.

by Anonymousreply 16006/08/2021

You deserved it, you fat whore. Now rub the bump on your head and feel blessed that she acknowledged you.

by Anonymousreply 16106/08/2021

[quote]her AW money afforded her a real nice co- op.

Where did she live, r158?

by Anonymousreply 16206/08/2021

No I didn't *deserve* it, r161. She was aiming for Ruth Roman.

by Anonymousreply 16306/08/2021

Beverly Penberthy's nephew!

You've been missed! Thanks for checking in and giving us some info on Connie. Please don't be a stranger to these P&G threads.

I'm curious how "out" Connie was. Did she talk about her female lovers like Louise Fitzhugh? Or did she keep quiet about it and everyone assumed she was a lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 16406/08/2021

Yeah, I'm sure ol' Con walked up to everyone and said- Look at the tits on the broad playing my daughter! I'd sure love to stick one in the stink and two in the pink! And then she burped, scratched her ass and lumbered off in search of a can of Schlitz.

by Anonymousreply 16506/08/2021

One of Connie's episodes of Perry Mason airs on Thursday night (June 10) at 11:30 p.m. on MeTV, one of the digital sub-channels available in most areas.

This episode from 1963 has Connie on trial for murder. It also stars Billy Mummy who went on to do Lost in Space.

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by Anonymousreply 16606/08/2021

I have always called her the poor man's Shelley Winters. They always seem to have a kvetch in their throat.

by Anonymousreply 16706/08/2021

Penberthy’s homo nephew knows that Connie was a cunt to cast and especially the crew at AW. She was a miserable old bull dyke.

by Anonymousreply 16806/09/2021

That clip at r74 was when I started watching AW when I was a teenager. Even then I thought she looked more like Nancy’s grandmother. I was a big fan of that actress, Jane Cameron. WHET her?

by Anonymousreply 16906/09/2021

Connie's line delivery here is so odd. Is it me, of was the Liz/Amanda encounter meant to be homoerotic? It's almost as if they were throwing fresh meat Amanda at Aunt Lez. And finally, do we think Connie and Irene celebrated Irene's return with some backstage scissoring just before they taped this?

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by Anonymousreply 17006/09/2021

[quote] I was a big fan of that actress, Jane Cameron. WHET her?

A good title for an upcoming thread!

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by Anonymousreply 17306/09/2021

Jane Cameron's final IMDB listing is 30 years old, so she clearly isn't in the business anymore.

Only has a couple of credits after her stint on AW ended.

The character of teenaged Nancy came in at a bad time during the show. Was originally part of a promising teen storyline in 1984 that included Marly, Perry Hutchins, Ben McKinnon and Julia Shearer, but the show quickly abandoned that storyline. After that, the character was left in limbo, briefly addicted to drugs, but the show never seemed to know what to do with her and wrote her off when her contract was up. In fairness, 1985-87 were some of the worst years in the show for storytelling and many characters suffered as a result.

If Nancy had still been around in 1988 when Harding Lemay returned to HW, he would have done something with the character.

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by Anonymousreply 17406/09/2021

Nancy got caught up in that awful storyline with Don Scardino that was a ripoff of the aztec storyline on GH. Gillian Spencer was HW during that period, before Margaret DePriest tried to overhaul the show, and it was pure excrement. I think a lot of that was being forced on the show to make it compatible with a surging Days and its action adventure storylines. Total fail.

by Anonymousreply 17506/09/2021

Thanks, Liz!

I always thought Jane was an interesting actress. She looked like Connie's daughter, for sure.

by Anonymousreply 17606/09/2021

Connie used to refer to Jane as "my eager beaver." Ewww.

by Anonymousreply 17706/09/2021

Ford was also great in an Alfred Hitchcock Presents episode where she was home alone with a serial killer on the loose. Great twist ending.

by Anonymousreply 17806/09/2021

Did Connie make Jane eat out her beaver??? No wonder Jame left the business. Scared off by a nasty smelly old twat.

by Anonymousreply 17906/09/2021

Constance Ford read for the part of Constance Mackenzie on the original Peyton Place. Imagine her as Mia Farrow's mother?

by Anonymousreply 18006/09/2021

"Merry Christmas, Mama."

There's more acting there in that one line than goddam Meryl Streep did in her whole life.

by Anonymousreply 18106/09/2021

Sandra was often referred to as "the surfing Bernhardt", r181.

by Anonymousreply 18206/09/2021

R182 she was great in "Imitation of Life". She gave off just the right amount of incest vibe.

by Anonymousreply 18306/09/2021

Dee was awful. Without Fritz Steiner's music, you would never have know whether her lines mattered to the plot She would have been better off remaining a model..

by Anonymousreply 18406/09/2021

Fritz Steiner?

by Anonymousreply 18506/09/2021

Hey homo Penberthy, where’s the video of Connie eating out Geri Court?

by Anonymousreply 18606/09/2021

Thank you to Bev Penberthy's nephew - please DO NOT be a stranger here - we all LOVE your aunt and the stories you share about AW

by Anonymousreply 18706/09/2021

Beverly Penberthy was such a superior actress to the other Bev, the monumentally overrated McKinsey. It's a shame that Rauch/Lemay relegated her to "B" stories.

by Anonymousreply 18806/09/2021

Oh for Chrissakes. Penberthy was not all that. Just because some gay relative posts does not make her a goddess on here. She rarely worked again because she was just not that good. No one would hire her.

by Anonymousreply 18906/09/2021

Hey Serial Scholar mental case. Do not speak for us ALL. Asshole. No wonder your family does not speak to you.

by Anonymousreply 19006/09/2021

r189=Susan Trustman

by Anonymousreply 19106/09/2021

[quote] She rarely worked again because she was just not that good.

She did regional theater after leaving AW - and has had Broadway prior to AW. She was mostly a stage actress before and after AW

by Anonymousreply 19206/09/2021

Leave it to DL to drag poor Susan Trustman into this mess.

by Anonymousreply 19306/09/2021

The homo nephew has not provided anything.

by Anonymousreply 19406/09/2021

[italic]The Unemployed Knockers of Susan Trustman[/italic]

Only on Lifetime.

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by Anonymousreply 19506/09/2021

Was Bev Penberthy as LAZY as Bev Mckinsey who never wanted to work and wanted 11 months off while playing a lead character?

by Anonymousreply 19606/09/2021

When I see clips of Beverly Penberthy, she reminds me of Kathy Hays from ATWT. Both of them seem so elegant.

by Anonymousreply 19706/09/2021

Beverly Penberthy pitching "Oil Of Olay" in a commercial

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by Anonymousreply 19806/09/2021

Bev’s were cunts. The homo nephew tries to act like she knows everything. But we all know. Connie was a cunt lezzy bull dyke.

by Anonymousreply 19906/09/2021

Beverly Penberthy's nephew and others who are new to the P&G threads -- we have a resident psycho on these soap threads who likes to make nasty comments and troll the board.

Please IGNORE him. Although he is a prolific poster, he does not represent the views of the majority of people on the P&G threads.

The way we handle him is we hit the IGNORE button (the circle with the slash through it near the middle of the toolbar at the top of the screen). Hitting that will make all the posts by the Soap Psycho disappear. You'll find the soap threads are much more pleasant after doing that.

by Anonymousreply 20006/09/2021

McKinsey comes off as a nouveau riche low-born gutter snipe. Penberthy was classy, smart, and sophisticated.

by Anonymousreply 20106/09/2021

Poor Bev P. She had to sit by and watch eyes-a-buggin and "daddy" mac pass her and zoom to the top of the credits. That really was unfair.

by Anonymousreply 20206/09/2021

I, Scoche Marin, as Katherine Chancellor on THE YOUNG AND THE RESTLESS, television’s number one daytime drama, have a reputation in the industry as the most talented, multifaceted, dynamic performer to ever appear. My cast mates recognize me as saving the form and a legendary leading actress and grande dame.

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by Anonymousreply 20306/09/2021

Is that really nuKay? I didn't realize Y&R was going to recast, if only out of deference to Jeanne. Is she still squabbling with Jill?

by Anonymousreply 20406/09/2021

R200 Why don’t you follow your own advice? You love me! You truly love me! Let Penberthy’s gay homo nephew decide for himself who to follow. Gotta love it. YOU decide for everyone who to listen to. lolololol

by Anonymousreply 20506/09/2021

Go to IMDB and look up Scoche Marin, r204, and let us know what you find.

by Anonymousreply 20606/09/2021

I have given many interviews on my set, the Chancellor Mansion—my beautiful house and grounds. I, Scoche Marin, play the most prolific Katherine Chancellor.

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by Anonymousreply 20706/09/2021

The fucking MORON at r200 decides for everyone who can talk to who. What an asshole!

by Anonymousreply 20806/09/2021

Two part interview with Strasser discussing Connie.

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by Anonymousreply 20906/09/2021

I just remember an episode in one of the hallways of the mansion where Ada comes out of a room and you can hear the sound of a toilet flushing and Nancy is about to walk into the room and Ada stops her and says, 'I wouldn't go in there if I were you!' It was a very real scene and I wonder if it was improvised.

by Anonymousreply 21006/09/2021

Ada had just shit out a big doo doo!

by Anonymousreply 21106/09/2021

[quote] Beverly Penberthy's nephew and others who are new to the P&G threads -- we have a resident psycho on these soap threads who likes to make nasty comments and troll the board.

He's been banned elsewhere but Muriel has yet to drop the hammer on this psycho here.

FF, ignore, and feel the freshness!

by Anonymousreply 21206/09/2021

Connie's IBDB page

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by Anonymousreply 21306/09/2021

I didn’t know Connie was in one of Harding Lemay’s plays in the 70s, “The Off Season,” with Beverlee McKinsey. They played sisters in law.

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by Anonymousreply 21406/09/2021

Hiya, Iris!

by Anonymousreply 21506/09/2021

She was a lezdyke!

by Anonymousreply 21606/09/2021

P&G should've moved her to SFT to play Stephanie after Marie Cheatham exited. She would've been much better than Louise Shaffer. Can you imagine Connie and Mary Stuart going at it?

by Anonymousreply 21706/09/2021

[quote]R216 She was a lezdyke!

Be sensitive. The preferred terminology these days is Lezzie Lou.

by Anonymousreply 21806/09/2021

Scoche Marin has reignited Y&R. Her performances as Kay leave me saying “Jeanne who?”

by Anonymousreply 21906/09/2021

Connie in ROME ADVENTURE as the man-hungry ex-pat bookshop owner, who seemed to have eyes only for Suzanne Pleshette.

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by Anonymousreply 22006/09/2021

That clip was awful. Great actress? Ew.

by Anonymousreply 22106/09/2021

Has anybody asked nursing home resident vetsoapfan about Connie Ford? He loves old soaps like TGL and TYATR

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by Anonymousreply 22306/09/2021

R222 Old curmudgeon Vetsoapfan will call it The Another World. TAW.

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by Anonymousreply 22506/09/2021

Would it be ok to refer to The Secret Storm as its working title, The Storm Within? I'm youthful and edgy.

by Anonymousreply 22606/09/2021

And one of the sponsors for The Storm Within was an ant-acid, or so the story goes.

by Anonymousreply 22706/09/2021

If "The Secret Storm" had had the legs to survive through the '80s, would it have been shortened to "Secret Storm"? Would old-time viewers have taken offense at dropping the "The"?

by Anonymousreply 22806/09/2021

I have oft complained here that it’s a stupid title, as storms are not secret.

They are, in fact, very public events.

by Anonymousreply 22906/09/2021

*that* Secret Storm

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by Anonymousreply 23006/09/2021

Here's a scene with Ada and Gil at the beginning. Clarice is also in the scene.

Also crazy ass Olive is in this episode.

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by Anonymousreply 23106/09/2021

It’s THE Guiding Light. Always has been, always was, until 1977 when they changed it. TGL. TGL. TGL.

by Anonymousreply 23206/09/2021

I've decided to drop the "the" from "As the World Turns."

As World Turns has a nice ring to it.

by Anonymousreply 23306/09/2021

AWT is a MUCH better abbreviation! Thank you R233!!!! For decades onward, it’ll be AWT!!!!

by Anonymousreply 23406/09/2021

There are very few episodes with Olive still in existance. She was crazy and vengeful.

by Anonymousreply 23506/09/2021

Vetsoapfan loves all of the fat P&G soap people: Fat Ed Bauer, Fat Bert Bauer, and Fat Ada. Fat soap names too like TGL and TYATR

by Anonymousreply 23606/09/2021

[quote]r236 Fat Ed Bauer, Fat Bert Bauer, and Fat Ada...

I don’t think the hair helps.

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by Anonymousreply 23706/09/2021

Who is that other actress in that commercial at r198? She looks very familiar. And she also looks like she’s trying very hard to not jump on Aunt Bev’s Eager Beaver.

Aunt Bev was gone from AW when I started really watching it around 1984-85, but I remembered her from when I saw AW and the other NBC soaps when I visited my aunts.

by Anonymousreply 23806/09/2021

Jesus, Connie is awful in the clip at R231, also. She's pretty much reciting dialogue and nothing registers on her face. Why the hell did this clamdigger get so popular?

by Anonymousreply 23906/09/2021

Beverly Penberthy's nephew @R238

That's Judith Bancroft in the Oil of Olay commercial with your Aunt Bev.

Judith was the original Lenore Moore Curtin on AW. She's the one who stood trial for Wayne Addison's murder when it was her husband Walter Curtin who murdered him and kept the scarf which could exonerate her hidden away.

Judith played Lenore from 1966 to 1971 according to the Another World Home Page. And then once Judith left, Susan Sullivan assumed the role.

Judith moved over to All My Children where she played Ann Tyler Martin from 1971 to 1977. Judith is married to Winser Washam, who was the AMC co-headwriter with Agnes Nixon in the 1980s.

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by Anonymousreply 24006/09/2021

Connie = Clam digger. lololololol

by Anonymousreply 24106/10/2021

I’m not the nephew, I just thought it was fun to call her Aunt Bev.

Ah yes, Judith Barcroft. Ann was already dead when I started watching AMC, but I’ve seen clips and old episodes with her. That’s it.

by Anonymousreply 24206/10/2021

Was Connie a predatory lesbian?

by Anonymousreply 24306/10/2021

Judith Barcroft was Agnes's ideal for Anne Tyler, she had to wait until her baby was born to get her. Joanna Miles was good as Anne, but lacked that regal wasp vibe Judy had.

by Anonymousreply 24406/10/2021

The old fat perv from SON Soapsuds is hurt because Alan Locher basically told him to fuck off. Too funny!

by Anonymousreply 24506/10/2021

Anyone know if Connie had a longtime partner?

by Anonymousreply 24606/10/2021

I'm going to say no, since - after all these years - we've never heard any names.

by Anonymousreply 24706/10/2021

Weren't Connie and Irene Dailey lovers?

by Anonymousreply 24806/10/2021

Connie and Irene were scissor sisters.

by Anonymousreply 24906/10/2021

So which little tramp was it that Connie screamed at to get out of her sightline?

by Anonymousreply 25006/10/2021

Does anyone else have terribly fond memories of "The Lovers and Friends" and its retooled "The For Richer For Poorer" from Lemay/Rauch?



by Anonymousreply 25106/10/2021

As a Lemay fan, I will say that show was doomed to failure. I think Lemay was a great writer, but he was never able to duplicate his Another World success, on other shows. I think the show failed because there was no real hook. Despite how every one groans about plot over character, the truth is soaps need a little plot to get off the ground. And sometimes the old standards and tropes that have sustained the genre for 70 plus years need to be employed to generate interest.

A poor family makes good and moves to the nice part of town is not a big enough attention grabber, especially not in the late 70s when the other shows had teenage girls sleeping with their mother's boyfriends and killing them and all the other soapy things that were going on back then.

by Anonymousreply 25206/10/2021

Wasn't the re-tooled FRFP just a more plot-driven version of L&F? Both shows sounded tedious. On the flip side, Texas started out plot-driven to hook the audience, but it was so dull, weighted down with so much exposition.

by Anonymousreply 25306/10/2021

Only one new soap created after 1980 was successful-The Bold and The Beautiful, and that’s because of the time slot; the Y&R connection; and most importantly, it has the tone of a Mexican Novella , which has given it appeal overseas.

And yes, I know Santa Barbara , Passions and Loving were both on the air for years, but none of them were successful in the ratings and SB and Loving were in a constant state of backstage turmoil.

The point is these AW spin-offs were never going to succeed. The networks didn’t seem to realize it, but the ground beneath them had begun to shift in the early 70s, as women joined the workforce. They didn’t have time to invest in a new soap as they would have in the 50s and 60s.

by Anonymousreply 25406/10/2021

They added plots and changed some character names and the show's title, but by then it was too late. That wasn't the kind of show that was going to attract an audience in the late 70s.

The problem with Texas is the same problem NBC had with Santa Barbara. Texas was a time slot problem. It should have been Days, Texas, and then Another World to at least give Texas a fighting change. those GH and GL viewers weren't going to stop watching their shows to sample Texas.

Texas should have also started as a half hour. It would have been tighter and held an audience.

They could have done Days, Doctors, Texas and then Another World.

by Anonymousreply 25506/10/2021

I think with Texas, the network was hoping that the resounding success of Dallas at that point of time would be enough to draw viewers to their new oil/cowboy-themed show. They overestimated the audience interest in that topic, and underestimated audience loyalty/attachment to GL, which is probably whom they were counting on stealing viewers from. GH at that moment in time was such a phenomenon, I don't think anyone was under the illusion that viewers defect to Texas. Texas was doomed from start. It premiered when NBC's daytime lineup was tanking badly, and was just plain dull and plodding until Kobe/Long came along. It is probably one of the more fondly remembered failed soaps.

by Anonymousreply 25606/10/2021

[quote]the network was hoping that the resounding success of Dallas at that point of time

They completely retooled the show. Texas was originally envisioned as a costume drama set during the Civil War called "Reunion".

by Anonymousreply 25706/10/2021

Where was Connie's lovely condo, HP?

by Anonymousreply 25806/10/2021

I thought Connie did have several long term GFs.

Wasn't the woman who played Liz for a while her GF? I know they named baby Nancy after her.

by Anonymousreply 25906/10/2021

[quote] As a Lemay fan, I will say that show was doomed to failure. I think Lemay was a great writer, but he was never able to duplicate his Another World success, on other shows. I think the show failed because there was no real hook. Despite how every one groans about plot over character, the truth is soaps need a little plot to get off the ground. And sometimes the old standards and tropes that have sustained the genre for 70 plus years need to be employed to generate interest.

It was perfect for a long time, but as soaps changed they definitely thrived on more plot.

I think Lemay's success might have lasted a few years longer, but between two expansions and a spinoff it all probably depleted his creativity. HW of a soap - writing, period - is a burnout job.

by Anonymousreply 26006/10/2021

I've changed my opinion on this over the years, but I do think the hour destroyed what is known as "classic" soap opera. The extra 30 minutes threw off the rhythm. In the beginning they were writing hour long soaps like half hour soaps and it wasn't working. It's quite possible that if AW had remained a half hour, Lemay probably could have continued writing the show for sometime.

by Anonymousreply 26106/10/2021

A storm is secret if it happens in your heart.

by Anonymousreply 26206/10/2021

R261 I agree.

At least, I think when the 80s revitalization of soaps was done, they should have shrunk back to 30 minutes.

by Anonymousreply 26306/10/2021

No way. A half hour was much too short if the storylines were popping. I couldn't imagine GH or GL or even ATWT being 30 min when they were at their best. Of course, once they went the Peapack route, I would have cut it down to 15 min.

by Anonymousreply 26406/10/2021

It's really hard to understand AW's utter and complete ratings collapse in 78/79. People have attributed it to its competitors GH and to a lesser extent GL, being on fire; the tanking of the rest of the daytime lineup and the prime-time lineup; the expansion to 90 minutes; the switch to more melodramatic plots. The rapid decline in viewership was pretty remarkable. Has any other top-rated show ever experienced such a rapid decline? The middle/lower rated shows like Ryan's Hope, Edge of Night, and Search for Tomorrow, but have any high-rated shows?

by Anonymousreply 26506/10/2021

Days of our Lives was in the top 3 from 71-75, then dropped to no. 10 from 77-80. Unlike AW, it climbed its way back up -- all the way to #2 from 95-98.

by Anonymousreply 26606/10/2021

If the NYC soaps had all gone to 30 minutes in the mid 90s, and found a cheaper studio space much earlier, they might still be around.

by Anonymousreply 26706/10/2021

They needed a storyline where Ada was forced to toil as a schlumpy nightclub singer or something. The awkwardly bitter drama!

Actually, she’d have been a great brothel madam.

by Anonymousreply 26806/10/2021

[quote]No way. A half hour was much too short if the storylines were popping. I couldn't imagine GH or GL or even ATWT being 30 min when they were at their best. Of course, once they went the Peapack route, I would have cut it down to 15 min.

I think it all depends on what you consider GH, GL and ATWT at their best.

I mean, before our time, half hour ATWT was the # 1 soap for many, many years.

by Anonymousreply 26906/10/2021

Many of these shows were cash cows throughout the '80s and '90s. No way were any of the suits going to look at these shows and want to cut them in half for creative purposes. If anything, they would've only expanded them. If the 90-minute expansion of AW had worked, the big successful shows like GH, AMC, etc., probably would've followed suit.

by Anonymousreply 27006/10/2021

That's true, soaps in their day, paid for primetime and development season. Those shows were printing money.

by Anonymousreply 27106/10/2021

[quote] No way. A half hour was much too short if the storylines were popping. I couldn't imagine GH or GL or even ATWT being 30 min when they were at their best. Of course, once they went the Peapack route, I would have cut it down to 15 min.

What killed soaps in the long run was expanding them to an Hour - they just wind up padding much of the show at double the cost. And it is now harder to sell a one hour show internationally.

That is why Bold & Beautiful is such a hit internationally. 30 minutes is much easier to schedule/slot on foreign TV. People just don't have time to sit down and devote an hour of the day, five days a week to a show.

I think if they kept soaps to 30 minutes, most of them would still be on the air. But back in the early 80s, one hour soaps were cash cows - but crash and burn.

by Anonymousreply 27206/10/2021

I've been down the rabbit hole rewatching Donna Swajeski episodes of AW. That was some good shit. An Cali Timmons as Paulina was heaven. No shade to Judi, but I loved when Iris and Amanda and Paulina had scenes. They looked like they were related. And Tom Eplin was at peak hotness. Damn.

by Anonymousreply 27306/10/2021

On the one hour debate, I believe that is was especially foolhardy (and arrogant) for NBC to DEBUT it's new soaps at 60 minutes.

Texas, Santa Barbara, Sunset Beach and Passions all premiered at a one-hour length, which worked against the show in the long run. Shows need time to get their footing and develop a voice. That doesn't happen overnight. And asking a new audience to sit through it all while it does find its footing and develop a voice is a chore.

As much as I came to love Texas, it's early episodes were really bad. Ditto Santa Barbara which didn't really come into its own until 9 months into its run. Passions was especially a chore to slog through in its first year with the 60 minutes making it even harder to stick with it.

Even fast forwarding through commercials, a 30 minute show is really just 18-20 minutes long, but a 60 minute show is 40-42 minutes. Big difference in the time commitment.

And NBC never learned its lesson. When premiering Texas at one hour didn't work, they should have realized the 60 minutes was part of the problem and premiered Santa Barbara at 30 minutes. But they didn't learn that lesson and continued to not learn that lesson for Sunset Beach and Passions.

by Anonymousreply 27406/10/2021

Santa Barbara would have worked especially well as a 30minute show, since they never really more than 25 contract cast members at a time. I think at one point (1988, during the Eden rape storyline), they only had 12 actors on contract.

by Anonymousreply 27506/10/2021

Have there ever been any 90 minute soaps?

by Anonymousreply 27606/10/2021

Santa Barbara was a niche soap that was never going to appeal to a mass audience. I thought it had good demos, but I guess that wasn't the case since NBC kept playing around with the tone and then finally canceled it. I just think by the mid-80s, tastes, viewing options, and lifestyles had changed so much compared to 10 years earlier, and any new soap would struggle to find an audience. It didn't help that a show like Generations, which really had potential to be good, was just plain awful and tried to coast on the novelty of having a black family as one of the key families, but that wasn't enough to make up for the amateurish writing. As was mentioned upthread, B&B only thrived because of its Y&R lead-in.

by Anonymousreply 27706/10/2021

[quote]R277 Santa Barbara was a niche soap that was never going to appeal to a mass audience.

What was it’s tone like? All I know is Robin Wright debuted on it.

This is the one soap my grandmother (a Harvard grad) got hooked on. What was appealing about it?

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R276 AW was briefly at that length - insane that they ever tried it - but no other show went there.

by Anonymousreply 27906/10/2021

I think Santa Barbara appealed to a more educated audience as opposed to a show like ATWT, whose bread and butter was its older less educated audience. No offense.

by Anonymousreply 28006/10/2021

I thought so, R279, but I wasn't sure if I was totally making it up. My grandma used to watch all the NBC soaps, The Doctors, DOOL, AW, when I would have to stay with her after school for a year in the mid-late 70s. And then I remember visiting her several years later for a couple weeks and it was DOOL, AW and Search for Tomorrow. I vaguely paid attention during the 70s because I wanted to learn about sex.

by Anonymousreply 28106/10/2021

[quote] Santa Barbara would have worked especially well as a 30minute show, since they never really more than 25 contract cast members at a time.

They featured 4 core families. Six months into the show two of the core families were all written out. Few years later the Lockridges were written out, where the Capwells were the only family featured

So if two families got the axe withing six months, they could have debuted as a 30 minute show.

by Anonymousreply 28206/10/2021

I. Want. To talk. About….[italic]Santa Barbara!

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Santa Barbara did very well in Europe. I was over in France a few years ago and I came across an episode of it. I was just cruising through the channels and I was like holy shit that's Flame and Robert, so Santa Barbara and I believe Sunset Beach is also playing over there regularly.

by Anonymousreply 28406/10/2021

duz anywon have there ApriL sweaps spoilers for Santana Barbra?

by Anonymousreply 28506/10/2021

Dumb Dylan disappeared after Grossman became engaged to a……..woman. He had a mental breakdown.

by Anonymousreply 28606/11/2021

Look! It's a Santa Barbara thread for more indepth SB discussion.

And a very inspiring OP photo, if I do say so myself.

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[quote]Days of our Lives was in the top 3 from 71-75, then dropped to no. 10 from 77-80. Unlike AW, it climbed its way back up -- all the way to #2 from 95-98.

Thanks to some creative writing and a $12 dollar pair of sunglasses.

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by Anonymousreply 28806/11/2021

I never "got" the Mac/Rachel romance. As if anyone in their right mind would choose Doug Watson over William Grey Espy, who was sex on a stick.

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by Anonymousreply 29006/11/2021

Was Connie a fixture at the few lez bars in NYC in the '60s and '70s? I could see her fitting in quite nicely at those slicked back with brylcreem, no makeup, zoot suit, loafers.

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by Anonymousreply 29206/11/2021

Oh please. Beer drinking, cigarette smoking long legged Connie was surely a fixture at the lezzy bars. She must have gotten plenty of pussy, back in the day.

by Anonymousreply 29306/11/2021

She was no Dorothy Malone.

by Anonymousreply 29406/11/2021

I can't believe Connie would have to settle for the tough, overcooked clit of Irene Dailey. Unless it was out of convenience.

by Anonymousreply 29506/11/2021

I think Irene was too busy crushing on Susan Keith, the first Cecile, to be concerned with Connie. Irene and Susan shared many scenes together, and Irene's hunger for her seemed palpable. She didn't even try to hide it. That was my perception anyway, rewatching those early scenes with Cecile working at Brava and manipulating Pat.

by Anonymousreply 29606/11/2021

Penberthy’s gay homo nephew is strange.

by Anonymousreply 29706/11/2021

Never ever.

by Anonymousreply 29806/11/2021

What kind of "test" did Connie have the young girls pass? Did it have anything to do with muff diving? If so, poor Jane Cameron, Ellen Wheeler, Anne Heche, Mary Page Keller, Sandy Ferguson, Laura Malone, and all the rest.

by Anonymousreply 29906/11/2021

Susan Keith was gorgeous! She's been married to 'Uncle Porkchop', James Kiberd for years...

by Anonymousreply 30006/11/2021

[quote]I never "got" the Mac/Rachel romance. As if anyone in their right mind would choose Doug Watson over William Grey Espy, who was sex on a stick.

Everything about Rachel goes back to being abandoned by Gerald Davis and needing to feel secure. That is the character in a nutshell.

Mitch Blake was Steve Frame part deux just without the money, but all the sex. And even that relationship (post St. Croix) was an action to get a reaction from Mac, just with some hot sex. Because I'm sure that while Mac was a nice guy, he wasn't throwing it down like either Steve or Mitch. Mac was probably better in the sack than Russ and Ted. God only knows what Carl was doing.

by Anonymousreply 30106/11/2021

Did Rachel ever sleep with Ken Jordan of Red Swan fame? Or did the show abandon the character before they get in bed?

by Anonymousreply 30206/11/2021

Surely Connie and then nubile tittied Anne Heche did the snatch eating thing.

by Anonymousreply 30306/11/2021

Is Anna Stuart lez? She gave off a vibe, and her "friendship" with Geri Court was highly suspicious.

by Anonymousreply 30406/11/2021

Mac was a hot daddy. You know he rode her good.

by Anonymousreply 30506/11/2021

^Lucky bitch!

by Anonymousreply 30606/11/2021

Connie had a long running affair with Diane Sawyer.

by Anonymousreply 30706/11/2021

[quote]r303 Surely Connie and then nubile tittied Anne Heche did the snatch eating thing.

Heche was a (talented) opportunist who attached herself to powerful men and women on her way upwards.

I’ve no doubt she showered poor Connie with gifts, rode her leathery face hard for months, then discarded the aged conquest to continued her climb.

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Steve Martin dated Anne Heche for two years (pre-Ellen). He described their relationship as “torture;” later, he wrote Bowfinger and based the Heather Graham character on her.

by Anonymousreply 30906/11/2021

Richard Burgi dated Anne Heche while they were on AW together.

by Anonymousreply 31006/11/2021

She picked up Lindsey Buckingham of Fleetwood Mac on the plane to L.A. and schtupped him for a while.

The girl is genius.

by Anonymousreply 31106/11/2021

If you have some time today watch this. A brilliant 42 minutes of soap opera.

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Connie would leave her co-op on a Friday night with a couple packs of Benson & Hedges and head for the nearest dyke bar that served Pabst Blue Ribbon or Schlitz. Then she’d prowl for pussy.

by Anonymousreply 31306/12/2021

[quote] I think Santa Barbara appealed to a more educated audience as opposed to a show like ATWT, whose bread and butter was its older less educated audience. No offense.

My mother had a college degree and that show was always what she was watching whenever I came home from school.

by Anonymousreply 31406/12/2021

ATWT was my mother's favorite also. What was it about that show? I remember the boy was playing Patrick on Broadway with Lansbury.

She also watched Love is a Many Splendored Thing but I don't think it lasted that long. I remember a character named Iris and it was the first time I saw Donna Mills.

by Anonymousreply 31506/12/2021

Richard Burgi has always looked like a wicked good piece of ass. As much as we talk about fine specimens like the Pendulous One here, I'm surprised we don't talk about Burgi more. He's just such a dirty, dirty boy.

by Anonymousreply 31606/12/2021

Burgi is a pussy hound.

by Anonymousreply 31706/12/2021

He can grab my pussy any time he wants. ANY. TIME.

by Anonymousreply 31806/12/2021

I'm not sure if R318's pussy is still grabbable at this point.

by Anonymousreply 31906/12/2021

Iris returns.

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by Anonymousreply 32006/12/2021

Why did Bev McKinsey in her scenes with Doug Watson always seem to be telegraphing "fuck me, daddy"? I'm not sure it was intended, but many of their scenes came off as incestuous.

by Anonymousreply 32106/12/2021

[quote] Steve Martin dated Anne Heche for two years (pre-Ellen). He described their relationship as “torture;”

I hate to tell Steve but a nubile blonde 24 years his junior who was willing to fuck him is hardly going to be normal.

by Anonymousreply 32206/12/2021

Because they were the same age?

by Anonymousreply 32306/12/2021

Was Wallingford supposed to be gay? The actor's flames could be seen from Jupiter, and Dano came off as his hag/drag queen.

by Anonymousreply 32406/12/2021

[quote] Iris returns.


Could you imagine it now?

"Maura West IS Iris Carrington!"

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by Anonymousreply 32606/12/2021

Entertainment Weekly has a discussion of some of daytime's LGBTQ characters over the years.

The story focuses mainly on ABC gay characters. It completely ignores the gay P&G characters:

Hank Elliot (ATWT)

Luke and Noah (ATWT)

Olivia and Natalie (GL)

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The P&G soaps were always old lady soaps. They didn’t care about the queers.

by Anonymousreply 32806/13/2021

I knew it would be Lynette Rice's tired old ass that wrote that article.

by Anonymousreply 32906/13/2021

Did they write about Lezzie Connie? Didn’t Connie push for a story where Clarice falls in love with Ada?

by Anonymousreply 33006/13/2021

Wait, Ada was a lesbian? She was married 3x to men.

by Anonymousreply 33106/13/2021

Ada was married four times-Gerald Davis (Rachel’s Father), Ernie Downs, Gil McGowan (Nancy’s father) and Charlie Hobson (Clarice’s father).

They sort of gave up with pairing with someone after that, although there were a few half hearted attempts to pair her with Vince McKinnon and that character Larry Haines played.

Ada should have opened a beauty salon with Jackee, and then they could have hired that pocket queen Wallingford as manager. It would have been the gayest thing on television since Waylon and Madame.

by Anonymousreply 33206/13/2021

I would've gone gay for Ada.

by Anonymousreply 33306/13/2021

Who had the bigger cock, Bea Arthur or Connie Ford.

by Anonymousreply 33406/13/2021

^Only Brent Collins would know, and he took the answer to his grave.

by Anonymousreply 33506/13/2021

I think they toyed with Ada and Jim Matthews. I think for a time they were planning to do a Ada, Jim and Liz triangle but it didn't happen.

by Anonymousreply 33606/13/2021

I used to be neighbors with a woman named Ada. Every time I saw her, I'd greet her with "Hello, AdaLucasDavisDownsMcGowanHobson", just like that in one breath. I told her it was an inside joke. We would sometimes hang out and smoke. She was basically my hag in the building, but she never knew it, since I never told her I was gay.

by Anonymousreply 33706/13/2021

If you always greeted her that way, R337, Ada did not have to be told of your ... proclivities, preferences, or peculiarities. She knew.

by Anonymousreply 33806/13/2021

Serial Nutcase be gone!

by Anonymousreply 33906/13/2021

The more I see of Carmen Duncan's work the more I appreciate it.

She wasn't Beverlee, but she had great chemistry with Wyndham and Watson, and she really nailed the complicated template of Iris that McKinsey so brilliantly originated.

by Anonymousreply 34006/13/2021

This is about Connie - pussy licker extraordinaire!

by Anonymousreply 34106/13/2021

Did Connie prefer eyes a buggin or Stasser?

by Anonymousreply 34206/13/2021

Connie was the epitome of a bulldyke.

by Anonymousreply 34306/13/2021

How many times will you ask that question, Gregg?

by Anonymousreply 34406/13/2021

I've been down the rabbit hole of 1990 Another World episodes on YouTube all weekend. This is some good shit. Watching the Sharly storyline develop is so good.

Also, I forgot how hot Matt Crane was.

by Anonymousreply 34506/13/2021

Oh, Matt Crane was a first class slice of twink BITD.

by Anonymousreply 34606/13/2021

[quote]Watching the Sharly storyline develop is so good.

I loved Anna Holbrook. She’s too often overlooked in the pantheon of AW divas.

by Anonymousreply 34706/13/2021

Was Sharly during Swajeski's stint? I guess her writing was serviceable and she probably had the most sustained success of any post-Lemay HW, but I, like a lot of fans, always wound up comparing writing regimes to Lemay's and Agnes's work, and nothing could ever really measure up, as they were of such superior quality. Their work, especially Lemay's, was probably as good as soap writing can get.

by Anonymousreply 34806/13/2021

What I'm watching is being written by Donna Swajeski. So I would assume that Sharly is Swajeski. Lemay (my all time favorite) and Nixon aside, this 89-90 Another World was a compelling and engaging show. What I am watching is multi-generational, balanced, no one is eating the show, couples are good. It's solid soap opera. I haven't found anything to complain about.

And also the show looks good. Nice sets, nice wardrobe and a great balance of character and plot.

by Anonymousreply 34906/13/2021

Where are you watching it, r349?

by Anonymousreply 35006/13/2021

YouTube, R350.

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by Anonymousreply 35206/13/2021

Donna Swajeski did a great job on AW. I don’t agree with people who claim her four year stint was based on Lemay’s outlines that he wrote in 1988. Her stint was 4 years long and he couldn’t have known that Doug Watson was going to die. If Lemay brought Iris back, he had to have had every intention of reviving the Rachel/Mac/Iris conflict.

The Frame and Cory families flourished during her stint and the acting was excellent. To me, the one thing the show needed during this period was a couple of older leading men who could serve as love interests to the great actresses on the show at the time.

I think it was underrated at the time, with Soap Opera Digest lavishing praise on ATWT, GL and SB instead.

by Anonymousreply 35306/13/2021

Per Heche’s autobiography, Anna Banana Stuart bought her her first vibrator. What was THAT all about? Did Anna Banana help her break it in too? Remember that Anna Banana was besties with pussy licker Geri Court.

by Anonymousreply 35406/13/2021

[quote]Her stint was 4 years long and he couldn’t have known that Doug Watson was going to die.

He didn’t, which is why she had to come up with the Red Swan story herself. That story was not well constructed, though I certainly appreciated that it kept Rachel front and center.

[quote]The Frame and Cory families flourished during her stint and the acting was excellent.

Reviving the Frames and Corys was definitely Lemay’s vision, but Swajeski deserves credit for keeping the momentum going.

by Anonymousreply 35506/13/2021

I've often wondered if bringing Paulina on as Mac's illegitimate daughter was part of Lemay's plan or something that Swajeski thought up.

by Anonymousreply 35606/13/2021

The Matthews family had a brief return in the late '80s with Russ, Liz, and Olivia. It's a shame no one thought to restore them as a core family. Killing Sally Frame off, even though Taylor Miller was all kinds of wrong for the role, was a big mistake.

by Anonymousreply 35706/13/2021

This is the new P&G thread? No way.

by Anonymousreply 35806/13/2021

^Think again, toots!

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by Anonymousreply 36006/13/2021

As we know, starting in '87, ATWT (or AWT) and AW were on against each other. Did anyone here end up having to stop watching either show because of this, or did they rely on the VCR or live in a market with a station that aired some soaps at odd hours?

by Anonymousreply 36106/13/2021

We’re talking about lezzies and snatch and how Fulton plugged up the shitter, so YES this is the P&G thread. Welcome!

by Anonymousreply 36206/13/2021

Was there a ton of audience overlap between AW and AWT? I feel that by the mid/late 80s, AW was pretty much just inheriting DOOL viewers who weren't watching the CBS shows.

by Anonymousreply 36306/13/2021

Vee, who’s in the biz, says that P&G soaps were old lady granny stories. He should have written these shows and they would still be on the air if he had written them. Vee is in the biz you know.

by Anonymousreply 36406/13/2021

[quote]Was there a ton of audience overlap between AW and ATWT?

I watched both. I had two VCRs. I started off with AW in 1988, then read how terrific ATWT was, and soon I was recording each of them every other day. In 1989 or 1990, I bought a second VCR.

by Anonymousreply 36506/13/2021

I and forgotten that Taylor Miller was on AW. She had a great new haircut when she came to AW, but she was still (and always will be) Nina Cortlandt.

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by Anonymousreply 36706/13/2021

Again, where the fuck was Connie's luxe condo?

by Anonymousreply 36806/13/2021

I wish my abuelita was still alive so I could tell her Connie was a dyke.

by Anonymousreply 36906/13/2021

[quote]r369 I wish my abuelita was still alive so I could tell her Connie was a dyke.

She’d have to be told??

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Jesus Christ. Everyone under the fucking sun could tell that Connie was a dyke. Do ya think Rachel knew???? lol

by Anonymousreply 37106/14/2021

oh no!

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Oh c'mon. In that photo at R370, she looks like a comfortably and sensibly dressed grandma who has lived some life. That is not a later years Susan Flannery on B&B look.

by Anonymousreply 37306/14/2021

Grandma Likes Ladyham

by Anonymousreply 37406/14/2021

Grandma likes swizzling down on a pussy. Yum yum yum yum!

by Anonymousreply 37506/14/2021

Granny guzzles girl jizz

by Anonymousreply 37606/14/2021

It wasn’t Ada’s appearance that screamed “dyke,” although the blazers with the turned up collars in rolled up sleeves didn’t scream femininity.

It was her walk. Ada strutted into a room like a cocky greaser in a movie about 1950s juvenile delinquents..

by Anonymousreply 37706/14/2021

Was Connie more masculine than Sue Flannery?

by Anonymousreply 37806/14/2021

r374 = Matthew

by Anonymousreply 37906/14/2021

Matthew Cory?

by Anonymousreply 38006/14/2021

Who else, r380?

by Anonymousreply 38106/14/2021

Matthew McConaughey, Rose!

by Anonymousreply 38206/14/2021

R381 Sorry, I blanked for a moment! LOL

by Anonymousreply 38306/14/2021

They had Matthew walking around naked all the time on AW.

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I was the heterosexual version of Ada.

by Anonymousreply 38506/15/2021

My teen years featured a fantasy with Matthew Cory, Andy Dixon and I being caught with a bottle of baby oil in the stables by Holden Snyder and Sam Fowler.

It had several acts, but all of them ended satisfactorily.

by Anonymousreply 38606/15/2021

Especially, r386, if Danny Markel was Sam.

by Anonymousreply 38706/15/2021

OMG! Hell is freezing over at this moment!

JFP has agreed to a Locher Room session. Its next Wednesday -- June 23.

Alan will surely offer softball questions to her, as he always does. Wonder how the fans in the comment section will respond while the show airs.

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r388 One hopes Alice Barrett and Ellen Parker will also be invited.

by Anonymousreply 38906/15/2021

r389, I highly doubt Parker and Barrett are holding grudges all these years later, unlike some lunatic fans.

by Anonymousreply 39006/15/2021

Old fat VetsoapFan will ask why TGL dropped The from its title. He’s still not over that.

by Anonymousreply 39106/15/2021

R390 Especially when it wasn’t Phelps decision to kill off Frankie Frame.

by Anonymousreply 39206/15/2021

This will be HILARIOUS

by Anonymousreply 39306/15/2021

Vetsoapfan likes all things fat and homely. Fat names like TGL. Fat Ed Bauer. Fat Bert Bauer. Homely Amanda Spaulding. Homely production values. Fat TV sets to watch fat and homely TGL.

by Anonymousreply 39406/15/2021

Soapsuds (the perv at SON) thinks the cast of Days cares what he thinks. What a loon lolol

by Anonymousreply 39506/15/2021

She was in an episode of the TV series "The Naked City". I can't find the episode anywhere, but I saw it as a late night rerun on a Detroit TV station. Her performance was flawless.

by Anonymousreply 39606/15/2021

Personally, I think soaps need both the "perfect" mothers (your Nancy Hughes, Alice Horton and Ruth Martins) and your mothers who have to make a little more effort, like Ada (or Bea Reardon). It keeps a show real. Of course, that line of thinking left about 40 years ago, but ...

by Anonymousreply 39706/15/2021

Interesting find.

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I'm the person rewatching AW. I'm in April of 1990. I've already pointed out how good the show is, but I would also like to note just how much freaking popular music is in each episode.

I know that soap had bigger budgets in the 90s, but I'm trying to figure out how this show used, not only Top 40 music, but The Rolling Stones and other classic bands. Now I'm wondering if music rights issues were cheaper back then or if they paid for a one time use which was cheaper. The episode I just finished had more popular music than musical cues written for the show. Very strange. I don't remember the other soaps having this much music back then.

And I know that I'm probably boring you bitches with this stuff. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 39906/15/2021

I thought the poster above was saying John Wesley Shipp was going to be on the Locher Room but they posted JFP, not JWS.

by Anonymousreply 40006/15/2021

R399 Music rights were cheaper then, especially for short bits. They seemed to go up a few years after the shows you're watching.

Back in the day labels clamored for the airplay because it would easily boost sales of the song.

by Anonymousreply 40106/15/2021

I have a feeling Miss Locher will go really easy on JFP. No doubt the Maureen Bauer thing will brought up, but they'll probably just have a good laugh over that. I wonder if Locher will have the balls to bring up the Bev McKinsey situation or the whole Dobson debacle at SB.

by Anonymousreply 40206/15/2021

If Miss Locher brings up McKinsey, JFP should be honest and say she was a lazy actress who didn’t want to work. She had 8 weeks of vacation a year and never had to work 5 days a week. She pulled the same over worked crap on Texas and left that show because she was over worked. Boo hoo hoo.

by Anonymousreply 40306/15/2021

(more dumb posts from trollina)

by Anonymousreply 40406/16/2021

I am in the minority. I like JFP. I don't particularly care for what she did with AW, but I acknowledge that she improved the ratings, the demos, and got the show notice, which are very important. Soap fans are always trying to make certain producers and writers villains, and in some cases they might be on to something, but most of the time these people are given marching orders by the networks and the production companies and are paid very well to take the blame when it all goes wrong.

What is holding on to Maureen Bauer and Frankie Frame, decades after the fact, really accomplishing?

by Anonymousreply 40506/16/2021

R405 I don't disagree with you overall. I learned that during my time in the trenches.

I think Maureen's death was a poor choice but it was less about that particular character, and more about just....always trying to be something else than what the show was.

by Anonymousreply 40606/16/2021

Here’s the thing. People are all worked up over Locher landing JFP. Nellie Branco is particularly viscious because Jill put him in his place and Nellie has never gotten over it. This interview is not going to change anyone’s opinions of her. She is smart enough to know that. She’s already admitted that killing Maureen was a mistake. It wasn’t her decision to kill Frankie. The Maureen death happened almost 30 years ago on a long cancelled show. What else do people want? It was a soap opera. Not real life. Get over it! Going a step further, Clone Reva, Amish Reva, walking through paintings Reva (and I did love Reva and Kim Zimmer) did more damage to GL than Maureen’s death. They got great story out of Mo’s death. And Peapack. That was the final death knell.

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by Anonymousreply 40806/16/2021

I've always loved the soaps for cheesy, mindless entertainment , hilariously bad acting, and the eye candy, but I don't understand how some of you can take them so seriously. I mean, what kind of damage must one have to hold a grudge about a fictional character on a stupid little canceled soap that happened ages ago?

by Anonymousreply 40906/16/2021

R409 You don’t understand the affect it has had on my life changing The Guiding Light to Guiding Light 44 years ago! I am still bitter about it!

by Anonymousreply 41006/16/2021

The "The Guiding Light" troll cracks me up.

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by Anonymousreply 41206/16/2021

At SON they are still bitching about cancelled soaps. It’s entertaining as I watch Judge Judy. One nutjob wants to write his own version of The Guiding Light. WTF! It’s gone, it’s cancelled, it’s never coming back with Maureen alive! The execs truly do make fun of soap fans, with good reason. My version of TGL with Maureen still alive………

by Anonymousreply 41306/16/2021

I call them soap super-fans. They are clinically insane. I get that for many of these gay men, these soap families became their surrogate families when their own families rejected them, thus the overly emotional attachment to them. I think they'd be better off working out their family issues with a therapist than clinging to these dead and buried shows.

by Anonymousreply 41406/16/2021

Timing was everything with Maureen. I don’t feel her death really sparked but story. It also followed a shit ton of cast turnover including actresses like Sherry Stringfield, Kim Simms and La Bev leaving within weeks of each other while being involved in red hot stories. Recasts were lackluster. There were also huge writing team changes. GL hit a perfect shitstorm in 1992-93 where it was gaining viewers, climbing regularly to #3, #4 in the ratings then SPLAT. One bright spot I remember was having Nia Long on after with Monte involved with Bridget/Dylan and a nasty racist (but good )storyline.

by Anonymousreply 41506/16/2021

The SON canceled soap losers have fat fetishes. Fat soap names: THE Guiding Light/TGL (what a loon calling it that 50 years later). Fat soap characters: Fat Ed Bauer, Fat Bert Bauer. Fat, ugly sets from 1974. Fat executive producers. Fat head writers. Fat drawn out stories that move at a fat snail’s pace.

by Anonymousreply 41606/16/2021

Vee made everyone get skinny or be fired. He’s in the biz, you know.

by Anonymousreply 41706/16/2021

LOL, the Bauers were fat. Charita, Hulswit, O'Leary, Elvera Roussell, Marsha Clark. So were the Lewises. HB, Josh, Billy, Reva, little Bill.

by Anonymousreply 41806/16/2021

TYATR had all of the skinny hotties.

by Anonymousreply 41906/16/2021

Not everyone, r419. Not everyone. Snicker.

by Anonymousreply 42006/16/2021

Charita sure got fat. Then the leg was chopped off.

by Anonymousreply 42106/16/2021

THE Guiding Light wasn't my show, so Maureen Bauer's death wasn't some traumatic experience for me. But I've seen on message boards, soap fans rage about how death is meaningless on soaps. Then, when they actually do get a meaningful death, they bitch about that too and won't let it go. The people behind scenes can't win. They are fucked either way.

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by Anonymousreply 42306/16/2021

I knew that I could eat you out.

by Anonymousreply 42406/16/2021

I’ve trotted out this story on other threads and thought including it in this one makes the most sense so…

In the mid 1970s I was sent to an ad agency in NY to read for the role of Dennis Carrington on Another World. I can’t remember what I had for dinner last week but I still vividly remember meeting Constance Ford. I remember she was wearing jeans and a blue man’s button down shirt with the sleeves rolled up. I thought she looked like a fisherman. I remember she got up and walked to me, looked right in my eyes and said “Hey, how ya doin?” And the rest is a total blank. I have zero recollection of the scene I read with her. A few days passed and my manager called to tell my mother that the auditions turned out to be just a ploy to get the agent for the kid playing Dennis Carrington to stop playing hardball in contract negotiations. I’m glad I at least had that encounter with Ford. She’d scared me to death by her performance in A Summer Place which I’d seen on the Million Dollar Movie. She treated me as a fellow professional and not just some kid actor. I was impressed by her.

by Anonymousreply 42506/16/2021

R422 It wasn’t my sister’s show either but she boohoo’d like crazy. I think it was the song at the end.

by Anonymousreply 42606/16/2021

Get the fuck outta my sightline, r425!

by Anonymousreply 42706/16/2021

R425 Aren’t you Tim Will?

by Anonymousreply 42806/16/2021

It's interesting that the short-lived FRFP lifted the interlocking rings from AW's logo. My guess that was an intentional and desperate move on the part of P&G to subliminally get AW viewers to watch the show, to see them as sister shows.

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No, r422. The problem was that they DIDN'T make Maureen's death meaningful. The lead up was great and the immediate fall-out was good. But then the show failed to play it out all the repercussions. Maureen was forgotten way too quickly. And then after blowing a hole in the show by taking out its matriarch, the show failed to fill it appropriately with a new matriarch. There were story possibilities with Ed, Michelle, the other Bauers and Reardons, Vanessa, Holly, Lillian...hell Claire, Rita, and on and on. Wasted opportunity. It took years for them finally to bring in Aunt Meta.

by Anonymousreply 43006/16/2021

Ellen Parker was boring for all of her run at GL except at the end and it got her an Emmy. What has she done since then? Theater. Yawn.

by Anonymousreply 43106/16/2021

A lot of shows create great write-ups to the death and then drop the ball.

Think Bryant's death on ATWT. Think Jennifer Munson's death on ATWT. Three weeks after the death, it had no impact whatsoever. Craig cried for Bryant and moved on, rarely ever mentioning him again. Barbara cried when Jennifer died, and rarely ever mentioned her daughter again. None of the other characters seemed to mention them either.

Maureen's death on GL at least had some lasting impact. Maureen's death was mentioned often by multiple characters (just as happens in real life). But the producers failed to really think out how that impact should be handled. They failed to think about the bigger role Maureen played on the canvas (serving as the matriarch).

More importantly, failed to utilize the story possibilities Maureen's death provided them such as bringing Hope back to town to be the new Bauer matriarch or bringing Rita or Claire back to town to get involved with Ed and Michelle. Or bringing Bea back to town to seek revenge against Ed for having the one-night stand with Lillian

Instead, they put Ed together with Eve Guthrie because apparently they didn't know what to do with either character.

by Anonymousreply 43206/16/2021

Since the focus groups found Maureen boring and she was killed off as a result, why would the writers belabor the aftermath of her death? The death was just a plot device. Plot devices don't get funerals where relatives return and don't get mentioned much after they're gone. They probably couldn't get rid of her fast enough after the focus groups dozed off watching her on screen. I'm surprised Peter Simon lasted as long as he did. His Ed was just so low energy and had zero sex appeal. If he hadn't been a lynchpin Bauer, he'd probably have been canned too.

by Anonymousreply 43306/16/2021

Maureen WAS boring so the focus groups got it right. Who cared if she died? They did get a good story out of it. Even boring Peter Simon got an Emmy nomination! How bad could that be?

by Anonymousreply 43406/16/2021

Mart aka Fat Ed would have made the fallout of Maureen’s death better on TGL.

by Anonymousreply 43506/16/2021

Vetsoapfan couldn’t give the last decade of Guiding Light a chance because they wouldn’t bring back THE. It had everything else fat just for him: Fat Reva, Fat Ashlee, Fat Selena, Fat Alex, Fat Olivia, Fat Rick (who he couldn’t stand because they wouldn’t call him Fred), Fat Claire Labine, Fat Rauch, Fat doorways, Fat Alan, Fat Billy, Fat Doris, Fat Buzz

by Anonymousreply 43606/16/2021

I am still so sad about TGL. Did Kristen Vigard mention ‘it’?

by Anonymousreply 43706/16/2021

Bev would’ve hated the last decade of GL. They worked hard. She was known as the lazy bum of daytime.

by Anonymousreply 43806/16/2021

It will always be THE Edge of Night for me.

by Anonymousreply 43906/16/2021

OMG could you imagine McFlimsy trying to navigate her lazy entitled ass through the makeshift Peapack sets?

by Anonymousreply 44006/16/2021

Love of Life. LOL

by Anonymousreply 44106/16/2021

Bev M would’ve tried to have her own home double as the Spaulding Mansion and have a camera follow her around all day. So lazy. No wonder Bev never got an Emmy. Everyone who voted actually worked and didn’t complain all day and go on vacation every two weeks.

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by Anonymousreply 44306/16/2021

To me, the must gut wrenching soap death was Little Laura Cudahy on All My Children.

by Anonymousreply 44406/16/2021

And Laura's death had consequences/a follow-up, because there was Brooke/Adam/Dixie, not to mention Brooke/Tad/Dixie, future legacy characters JR (Adam Jr.) and Jamie, Laura Kirk, even Tom and Barbara getting involved.

by Anonymousreply 44506/16/2021

Is THE Kim Zimmer going to be a special guest on The Guiding Light with The Jill Farren Phelps?

by Anonymousreply 44606/16/2021

Cassie's death on Y&R had major impact. It broke up Sharon and Nick, who then got involved with Phyllis.

by Anonymousreply 44706/17/2021

Connie always seemed to me like someone who if she really liked you and you did your work, knew your lines and the blocking and of course stayed out of her light, you would get along just fine. But she's one of those no nonsense women who expected everybody to be ready when she is, and would really lay into you if you didn't know what you were doing. She apparently had a lot of gay male friends. I knew John Colenback, and when she died, he told me fun stories about her going to gay mens bars and being a riot. She was also good friends with David O'Brien.

I've heard nothing but good stories about Lois Kibbee and Irene Dailey who took young actors (male and female) under their wings and were very kind to them. Lois was the most popular actor on "Edge", both with costars and staff, and in the Q ratings. I have a beautiful long letter from her. I saw Irene long after she had left "AW`" in Strindberg's "The Father", and she was heartbreaking. Very different than Liz.

by Anonymousreply 44806/17/2021

Oh no!! Vetsoapfan said he’s not going to watch the Locher Room interview with JFP!!!! How will the world go on if that miserable old bastard isn’t there to reminisce about Fat Ed and TGL????????

by Anonymousreply 44906/17/2021

Who does vetsoapfan (a true loon) hate more: JFP or Pam Long?

by Anonymousreply 45006/17/2021

vetsoapfan thinks Springfield, Oakdale, Bay City, and Monticello are real places. He would love moving to Springfield, home of the fatties and homely broads: Fat Ed Bauer, Fat Bert Bauer, Fat (Frede)Rick Bauer, Homely Amanda Spaulding, Homely decor, and the fattest that ever fatted: THE Guiding Light, TGL.

by Anonymousreply 45106/17/2021

Connie would have been a hoot in a gay bar!

by Anonymousreply 45206/17/2021

Amazing home movie footage of the AW cast...posted over @ SON.

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by Anonymousreply 45306/17/2021

Sam Groom was so hot. Someone must know the woman at 2:00.

by Anonymousreply 45406/17/2021

Connie was in that video with her girlfriend.

by Anonymousreply 45506/17/2021

Jacqueline Courtney is not having it !

by Anonymousreply 45606/17/2021

It's good to see Connie laughing and enjoying herself. By all accounts, she was a miserable old bitch, so its nice to see this side of her.

by Anonymousreply 45706/17/2021

r456, if you mean good, non-melodramatic, non-soapy acting, then you would be correct.

by Anonymousreply 45806/17/2021

Saw carpet muncher Irene Daily on the Amityville Horror this morning. She played a nun who barfed on the road.

by Anonymousreply 45906/18/2021

I'm watching 1979 episodes where Ada consoles Rachel over Mac's sudden marriage to Janice (Christine Jones). Ada is just about to announce her engagement to Charlie.

Also featured during this time are two actresses who within a few months will have major roles on "Guiding Light", Maeve Kinkhead and Geraldine Court. No Dorothy Lyman in these episodes though, but Kathleen Widdoes is in a few scenes as Maeve's mom. In one of the Locher Room broadcasts, Maeve said that Kathleen always had her in stitches, calling her one of the funniest women she ever knew. She didn't seem to like much about being on AW though.

by Anonymousreply 46006/18/2021

Maybe Maeve can convince Meryl to do a interview with Queen Locher. I'd pay to see that.

by Anonymousreply 46106/18/2021

That party must have been at Bev Penberthy's place, she seemed to be playing hostess. Wonderful to see that cast!

by Anonymousreply 46206/18/2021

Even if there *were* still NYC based soaps today, I doubt many of the actors would be able to afford an apartment with a big terrace like that.

Sam Groom was HOT! That Stephen Holder was pretty handsome, too. Had never heard of him before.

by Anonymousreply 46306/18/2021

I got the feeling that a lot of those old school New York Soap actors were able to survive because they bought NYC apartments early on and then sold them for million and millions after the fact. I will look for the article where VW mentioned selling her NYC pied-à-terre (I think it was on the UWS) and making a small fortune. This is in addition to her Connecticut farm and LA Apartment.

I think Eileen Fulton, Linda Dano, and a lot of those types had great apartments.

by Anonymousreply 46406/18/2021

I hated Judi Evans as Beth on GL (or "The" GL) and had quit watching even before she left. I started watching AW after that, and I freaking loved Cali Timmins as Paulina...then Judi Evans showed up as her replacement!!! I never liked her as Paulina. I watched DOOL for a while when she was on there and she didn't bug me as much in that role.

by Anonymousreply 46506/18/2021

I'm surprised to see Susan Sullivan there. They must have promised her top billing.

by Anonymousreply 46606/18/2021

Susan Sullivan gets the "and" credit, as a proper star should.

by Anonymousreply 46706/18/2021

Connie loved eating Geri Court’s snatch. Beautiful pussy juice was how she described it.

by Anonymousreply 46806/18/2021

I'll never forget Connie playing Ada's reaction to Steve's death.

[bold] "STEVE FRAME IS DEAD????" [/bold]

by Anonymousreply 46906/18/2021

That home movie was right around the time Jacquie returned to AW, and just before Sam Groom left. No George Reinholt, Mike Ryan or Hugh Marlowe. Love Beverly Penberthy - wish she'd never have left AW.

by Anonymousreply 47006/18/2021

it's one thing to lose McKinsey to Texas and then her wanting some time off and then losing her to GL

But why AW purposely let go of Beverly Penberthy, I'll never understand.

Someone at P&G needed to step up and keep her; tell the writer to just sideline her and then once there's a new head writer you play Pat.

by Anonymousreply 47106/18/2021

[quote] it's one thing to lose McKinsey to Texas

They didn't really "lose" her to Texas. McKinsey was tired of AW and planned to leave. P&G and NBC offered her Texas, same character, but with the promise of storylines that would allow her to showcase a greater range of her acting abilities. It was to be a softer, but matriarchal Iris on Texas. Fans wanted the old Iris...conniving, bitchy, and vengeful. As the writers went in that direction, McKinsey grew bored and took a leave of absence. With a hell of a lot of more money, P&G enticed Beverlee to GL.

by Anonymousreply 47206/18/2021

My guess is she was let go because she was too expensive. At that point she was probably making the salary equivalent to 5 or 6 newbies.

by Anonymousreply 47306/18/2021

McKinsey was always dramatic. Always over worked. The poor dear only got 10 weeks of vacation a year.

by Anonymousreply 47406/18/2021

How much did McKinsey make on AW and GL? Who was paid higher- Beverley McKinsey or Victoria Wyndham?

by Anonymousreply 47506/18/2021

Here's Constance with Ronald Reagan in "The Dark Dark Hours" broadcast December 12, 1954. It includes young James Dean just before he became famous. I never considered him that good of an actor. A handsome face but he comes across as a spacey mumbler and whiner in most of his roles.

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by Anonymousreply 47606/18/2021

[quote]But why AW purposely let go of Beverly Penberthy, I'll never understand. Someone at P&G needed to step up and keep her; tell the writer to just sideline her and then once there's a new head writer you play Pat.

In Jan.1982 when they let Beverly Penberthy go, it was reported that the new HW, Corine Jacker, who had never written for soaps before, said she couldn't write for Pat, that she had no stories for her. Paul Rauch, in a show of support for his new HW, agreed to let her go.

A year later, after Jacker was gone, it was reported that Rauch invited her back to AW, but Penberthy declined the offer.

The really sad thing is that when Hugh Marlowe died and they killed off Jim Matthews in summer 1982, they didn't even invite Penberthy or David Bailey back for Jim's funeral.

by Anonymousreply 477Last Saturday at 5:20 AM

Some lady with some soap connections "passed."

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by Anonymousreply 478Last Sunday at 11:16 AM

Oh no! Not Ann Ratray!! 2021 has been so unkind to us……..

by Anonymousreply 479Last Monday at 2:03 AM

RATray? Now there’s an alluring name for an actress… [italic]not!

by Anonymousreply 480Last Monday at 3:52 AM

R48 = Martha Byrne

by Anonymousreply 481Last Monday at 4:06 AM

Peter Ratray did play some stuffy snob (typical LeMay character) on AW in the 70's,

by Anonymousreply 482Last Monday at 5:35 AM

One of my favorite Connie lines in "A Summer Place" is "Don't you DARE threaten me!" (to Troy). She sounds so tough.

by Anonymousreply 483Last Monday at 5:40 AM

According to the Another World Home Page, Ada had 8 other siblings. We met one of them (Sam). They should have brought Lois Kibbee on the show after Edge of Night was canceled as Ada’s sister, and made Sharon Gabet’s Brittany character Lois’ daughter.

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by Anonymousreply 484Last Monday at 5:56 AM

Ada ate my snatch!

by Anonymousreply 485Last Monday at 6:33 AM

Kibbee was too patrician to play working class Ada's sister. Now, someone like Marilyn Chris or Norma Connelly, on the other hand, would've been perfect.

by Anonymousreply 486Last Monday at 6:57 AM

Lois Kibbee could have played Spencer Harrison's older sister who was the true brains and power behind the Harrison family.

by Anonymousreply 487Last Monday at 7:00 AM

Nobody cared about the Harrison family. She could've played nuLezSylvie Kosloff.

by Anonymousreply 488Last Monday at 8:02 AM

Connie's reading this thread in a dyke bar in heaven.

by Anonymousreply 489Last Monday at 8:26 AM

I'm the silly guy watching AW from the 90s on YouTube. I just want add how good Vicky Wyndham was during this period. And they definitely touched on Rachel's history during all of the Vicky, Jamie, Steven mess. The Red Swan is kind disjointed, but VW rises above the material.

VW is so good during this period that I now realize that pairing Rachel with Carl just kind of screwed up the character and at the same time the actress. VW took on these weird acting mannerisms that were not present before. Even her voice changed.

by Anonymousreply 490Last Monday at 8:38 AM

They should have given Carl an identical twin or something if they wanted to keep him on the show.

Carl menaced Mac, Rachel, Nancy, Sandy, Sally and Blaine, among others, in the 80s. He forced Rachel’s good friend Cass’ wife , Kathleen, into witness protection. She would never get involved with him. It’s like if ATWT paired Kim and James Stenbeck.

by Anonymousreply 491Last Monday at 8:54 AM

Vicky icky Wyndham sure was a homely gal.

by Anonymousreply 492Last Monday at 9:01 AM

Shit, I forgot about Kathleen. She was good.

by Anonymousreply 493Last Monday at 11:59 AM

Has Nellie Branco made up lies about Connie yet?

by Anonymousreply 494Last Monday at 1:25 PM

Who is Nellie Branco? One of Connie's lovers? Did Connie treat her badly?

by Anonymousreply 495Last Monday at 1:27 PM

Julie Osborn (Kathleen) looks just like Cynthia Nixon, like they could play sisters.

I remember loving Cass and Kathleen and wanting the character to return, then she did return and I wanted her gone because I preferred Cass with Frankie. The problem was the character of Cass changed greatly in the time since she left. Kathleen’s death made him more mature and somber.

by Anonymousreply 496Last Monday at 2:11 PM

What kind of name is Cass?

by Anonymousreply 497Last Monday at 2:14 PM

R313 do your remember her co-op address?

by Anonymousreply 498Last Monday at 2:14 PM

[quote]What kind of name is Cass?

Would you prefer he use his middle name, Cadwallader?

by Anonymousreply 499Last Monday at 2:29 PM

[quote] What kind of name is Cass?

The kind I'd call out when he was fucking me hard.

by Anonymousreply 500Last Monday at 2:34 PM

The sad thing of it is, I get the impression VW thought that by adding on all those affectations, she was matching Charles Keating as an actress and not coming across as a pompous windbag.

by Anonymousreply 501Last Monday at 4:25 PM

Why isn’t there more discussion about ME on this thread???

by Anonymousreply 502Last Monday at 4:46 PM

I'm always down to talk about fabulous Fanny Grady.

by Anonymousreply 503Last Monday at 4:55 PM

I’m so old I remember when Robin Strasser was THE bratty Rachel, and Russ once took her over his knee and spanked her. It was always so strange for me when Victoria Wyndham later played Rachel as saintly.

by Anonymousreply 504Last Monday at 5:05 PM

We JUST had a Linda thread. Stop hogging the attention, Linda! It's rude!

by Anonymousreply 505Last Monday at 5:25 PM

Jeff Phillips who played Matt Cory for six months is now a personal trainer - and it shows

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by Anonymousreply 506Last Monday at 5:30 PM

He was the original Hart Jessup on GL, too.

by Anonymousreply 507Last Monday at 5:30 PM

He's got generic gay clone body.

by Anonymousreply 508Last Monday at 5:31 PM

I liked Jeff Phillip's version of Hart; wasn't much of a fan of his Matthew Cory.

However, Jeff Phillips was tiny. He looked like he had a 24 inch waist and weighed about 120 pounds.

by Anonymousreply 509Last Monday at 5:44 PM

How anyone looked at Jeff Phillips and thought - YES! That man looks like he'd be Michael Zaslow's son! - will puzzle me forever.

None of them looked even remotely like Zas, really.

by Anonymousreply 510Last Monday at 5:50 PM

[quote]It was always so strange for me when Victoria Wyndham later played Rachel as saintly

I don’t think she ever played Rachel as “saintly” — there were always some sharp edges there.

by Anonymousreply 511Last Monday at 6:32 PM

Me again, I forgot to mention Carmen Duncan's performance. Not many actors could have just walked in as a recast of an iconic character and been as successful as Duncan. She got what the character was about, while not trying to mimic any previous performances.

I cannot imagine why she was written off in the way she written off. Peggy Sloane was the writer at the time, I wonder if it was some kind of network pressure or a budget move to get rid of the character. But to think that Iris went to jail for shooting Carl Hutchins of all people is laughable.

by Anonymousreply 512Last Monday at 7:34 PM

This thread is about that cuntface Constance Ford!

(Or as she would say it, “CONSTANCE!! FORD!!”)

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by Anonymousreply 513Last Monday at 9:24 PM

Constance is so dumpy looking in the OP’s clip. No neck, narrow shoulders, tiny titties and a long ass. I bet her pussy smelled too!

by Anonymousreply 514Last Monday at 9:32 PM

CONSTANCE!! FORD!! will not tolerate your blatant jealousy.

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by Anonymousreply 515Last Monday at 9:41 PM

What was she really like?

by Anonymousreply 516Last Tuesday at 2:08 AM

Tiny Titties? Geri Court owns that title!!

by Anonymousreply 517Last Tuesday at 4:46 AM

This is the latest P&G thread. We don't need anyone to police who posts about what, thanks.

by Anonymousreply 518Last Tuesday at 4:52 AM

Is Penberthy’s gay nephew still here? Just read about the court case between Bev and her ex-husband that she lost. The documents are on the internet. She sued his for a ridiculous amount of money and lost.

by Anonymousreply 519Last Tuesday at 5:11 AM

Between "Edge of Night" and, "One Life to Live", Lois apparently played Elaine Descott on "Search For Tomorrow". She was Lloyd Kendall's nanny, but I remember only Maureen O'Sullivan in that part. Lois also wrote some scripts for "Capitol" when Henry's laser was the head writer. I could see Lois playing Myrna Clegg's mother, a world traveler with great political influence, sort of how Geraldine was first introduced and how Myrna was presented.

by Anonymousreply 520Last Tuesday at 5:28 AM

Was Bev's nephew the source of the Len Valenta film? Bev's NYC apartment was where the party was held. What a cool terrace.

by Anonymousreply 521Last Tuesday at 5:37 AM
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