Attendance at Prince Philip's Funeral, Part 4

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The wreath Markle sent was primarily made up of Acanthus Mollis or Bear’s Breech (see photo below), the national flower of Greece, honoring Philip's Greek heritage. Nice touch...but then she had to go and send out the news release announcing that she sent the wreath. Jesus, she would screw up a free lunch. No one else sent out a news release and there were several other wreaths displayed at the funeral.

I wonder if it's difficult to take up the floor of the George VI chapel, and that's why they are waiting for the Queen to die to inter Philip. When Margaret died, they stored her ashes in the Royal Vault. When the Queen Mum died a few weeks later, they interred Margaret's ashes when they interred her mother.

I've heard of the press describing funeral flowers in news reports, but I've never heard of anyone sending out a press release about a funeral wreath they themselves sent.

I wonder if anyone said anything to Harry for ditching his place in line just before filing into church. That was a punk, smack-him-across-the-face move. I hope Lillibet and Charles found out. I'm sure William knew when it was happening.

R4, rarely has there been an attention whore as prolific as The Duchess of Sussex.

Can you imagine being so desperate that you’d send a press release about THAT?

Meghan is crawling your butts like a thong that's two sizes too small.

Harry is making a big mistake if he doesn't stay in the UK a couple more days for the queen's birthday on 21 April. Montecito can wait two days. It's not going anywhere. Markle can power through without him for two more days.

It’s been reported that Harry will stay a few more days. Somethings cooking.

R3 It's a tradition that started with Edward VII that reigning monarchs buried inside St. George's remain "on ice" in the vault until their spouse dies as it's easier to place both coffins in the mausoleum and then properly seal them at the same time. A little history, when George VI died in 1952 he was put in the vault where he remained until 1969. It was decided that because the Queen Mum wasn't going anywhere anytime soon, they finally buried him in the special George VI chapel they had built and sat empty for almost 15 years.

Dream On ...... Nothing's Cooking

Harry and Megs started dating in 2016.

Five years together, engaged, married, and 1.5 children later, they're on their own and still together.

I know that's really killing you ...... 2Bad

Harry urged not to leave UK just yet with poignant plea to stay for Queen's birthday

[quote]It’s been reported that Harry will stay a few more days. Somethings cooking.

I think so, too. The location of the funeral, Windsor, is Harry's world, not California; he probably felt comfortable in those surroundings. Unlike Andrew, Harry can't brazen out the shunning by the rest of the family, waiting he can reemerge. It takes a particular type of character to do that. W/out Meghan, he's not brazening anything out.

Reportedly Charles and William spoke to him for 2 hours today.

The Queen's Platinum Jubilee--a first for the BRF--will also be a celebration of a return to normal life after COVID. I'd read a couple of years back that she didn't want a big celebration for her 70th anniversary on the throne, but she may feel obligated to do it for the country after the terrible suffering during the pandemic.

Fun fact: If she remains on the throne until May 27, 2024, she'll surpass Louis XIV as the longest-reigning monarch of any sovereign state.

Interesting, R10. Thanks for the explanation.

Can you imagine what would happen if Harry went home to California and told Meghan he wanted to go back to the UK? She'd be on the phone to Laura Wasser so fast it would make your head spin.

The contrast between his wedding in St. George's Chapel in May 2018 and his grandfather's funeral in April 2021 must have hit Harry hard. So much has changed for himself and for the world in just 3 years. It has to have him thinking about the choices he has made.

The body is not “buried.” It’s in the basement.

R9 I don't think it's the "cooking" people want it to be. Maybe I'm just so jaded about Harry and Meghan now, but there must be a PR reason for it. Like maybe they'll issue a press release about what the got the Queen for her birthday and then leak 10 stories about how the Queen spent the whole day on Zoom with Meghan because they are so close.

If the off chance the Harry is staying because he's suddenly realizing what a mistake he's made...Meghan is going to rip off that fake baby pad, ship the surrogate to Oprah's house, and fly to the UK herself.

Regarding the German relatives, I think they actually have been pretty close to the Queen, in addition to Philip. They were part of the house parties around various horse racing events every year and regular visitors to Balmoral in summer. Frequently they were pictured in the stands or as part of a group, but because they flew so under the radar, no one knew who they were. As they had Philip in common and obviously treasured their relationship with him, I’m sure it meant a lot to the Queen to have them there.

Maybe they're simply talking and enjoying time together.

Why do you people hate so viciously?

No wonder people think.........

r21 - Have you seen the last 3 years? Everyone is expecting the unexpected.

R13. Charles and William may have indeed spoken with Harry today for two hours. Who knows? And Harry could be missing Windsor and his family. No matter how much his grandfather's death weighed on him, he has to go back to California. He's not leaving Markle high and dry. And even if he goes back to California as scheduled, he still can't move turn around and move back to the UK. His wife is having a baby. She doesn't want to move, and even if she agreed to move back (which she won't), she's not going to do it before the baby is born or for a considerable period of time after the kid is born. Whatever happens, Harry is stuck in California for some time to come. And by then, she will have indoctrinated him once again so he won't want to go anywhere. Next trip: He will fly in for the unveiling of Diana's statue on July 1 and fly immediately back to the U.S. Markle isn't going to put up with him wavering about wanting to move back to the UK. Markle isn't quite done getting out of him what she needs before eventually dumping him.

The PR flacks at the Palace are first-rate. If Meghan dumps Harry and keeps the kids, they'll rehabilitate Harry within a couple of years by painting him as the devastated father who misses his kids. The confabs with William and Charles today suggest the family would like to have him back as long as he's without Meghan. They may already be planning a Harry returning PR scenario to have it ready when the divorce inevitably happens.

When it does happen, it will happen fast. Once Meghan decides she's done with someone, she doesn't wait around.

Meghan won't divorce Harry until she's sure she's gotten everything she can out of him, and that won't be for at least another couple of years. He won't be back in England before his 40th birthday.

She’ll stick around until his father is the King. Why not?

r23, r24, r25 - You are right, and Meghan is not Fedexing any jewelry back this time. Still, so much fun if it turns into a tug of war over Harry. I see him as the type easily persuaded, believing whoever last told him something.

*back in England to LIVE by his 40th. I'm sure he'll visit.

I doubt they are attempting to pull him away from Meghan. That would only alienate him further.

This thread is hilarious. You're all so bitter that the funeral included no major drama and might even lead to a reconciliation.

I don’t think they will just welcome him back into firm as if nothing happened at most they discussed how they feel about his airing out the families dirty laundry and it’s impact on the family.

Charles is probably explaining to him that he intends to slim down the monarchy and that means Harry will not be a part of the official firm going forward due to his previous request, not living in the U.K. and animosity from Megan.

Harry has burned a bridge that cannot be rebuilt at this time. Megan needs to go first.

We are imagining that Harry has or could easily fall out of love with Markle and that he would high-tail it back to the UK as soon as possible. Maybe. However, I am assuming he loves his kid and the one on the way. It's not that easy to leave your kids especially when they're babies. He would be crucified worldwide if he ever pulled such a stunt. If he left Markle and took the kids with him, he would be praised...but not if he left the kids at such a young age.

The longer one stays in a place so far from home...it's very difficult to go home again. I have been there and have thought about going home for years. It's very difficult.

R5, What was important about Harry's move?

^^He was supposed to stay in the opposite line when entering the church, but he pulled a fast one and got in line behind William. He was not supposed to do that.

Thank you, r35.

Harry hasn't yet learned, has he?

It amazes me (still) how MM tells such brazen lies. Eg, about having a 'special bond' with PP - it is pretty well-known he called her destructive and Wallis.

R34 R36. Click onto the link below and follow the diagram and scroll down to see how the men were supposed to march into the church...and then watch Harry get out of line to get into the same photo frame as William. Harry was supposed to be in the opposite line from William and stand behind Peter Phillips when the two lines formed, but obviously Harry did not like his place in line behind Peter:

Honestly Harry's terms with the ROYAL FAMILY (TM) with him being a semi merchandised associate are already settled. They wont publicly condemn them, so long as he doesn't overly fuck up, William and Charles can get on with their ""reforms"" Harry can turn up for the Queens funeral and his dads and Williams coronations while continuing to fleece Hollywood and Silicon Valley. Its a balancing game and we'll likely never see the 4 of them together again but it'll probably work

Harry stayed at Nottingham Cottage after he landed and had to quarantine for 5 days. He is now staying at Frogmore Cottage with Eugenie, Jack, & August.

at first they said, he's flying back on Monday...now they say he might stay for the queen's BD.

r41 I mean he's not a public figure anymore. He can just book a redeye at this point

Scroll down on R38's link and see Charles' hands! Whatever condition he has seems to have gotten a lot worse.

^^Maybe it's gout, which causes swelling in hands and feet.

Peter didn't strictly walk between the two brothers. Watch the videos. He was always two steps behind them.

The BRF needs the Meghan drama. If not, they will show themselves for dullards they are, for harboring a man suspected of criminal activity. Meghan and Harry distract from the dullness and criminality nicely.

Really...you need to look at the big picture. Otherwise, the BRF will be like the other monarchies, dusty, old, and outdated.

R45. Peter slightly a step or two behind was planned if you saw the diagrams of everyone's position released prior to the funeral. It was meant that way so it didn't look like Peter would be directly smack between Will and Harry. Peter just a step behind softened the blow while still keeping the symmetry of the procession.

After watching the dignified regal funeral on Saturday, that garnered 20% more viewers in the UK than the Sussex Oprah debacle, you still think the BRF needs the Meghan & Harry drama? When did it ever need that kind of nonsense.

When will you get it: royalty is supposed to be nicely dull. They are Heads of State, not Kardashian-type celebrities, always seeking the next pr bump to stay in the spotlight. The latter is the world that the Sussexes susscribe to.

How nice that Harry could get all this leave from his various jobs. Or do we think he's been on the phone/at his laptop working remotely in between funeral business?

^^Yes, Harry missed work, but his pay was docked. He hasn't been there long enough to accrue any personal time off. His next paycheck will be missing more than a week. And his family cut him off. So the next month could be tough for the Markles.

Harry has been working, generating free PR for his employers with funeral drama. Harry is a celebrity-for-rent now. The more interesting his life, the more top execs want him at their next C-suite retreat or golf game with key partners/customers.

Prince Harry considering staying in UK | Royals | 9 News Australia

It must be depressing to have others counting down the days til your marriage fails.

Harry staying on another week is bad news. He as obviously been instructed, by you know who, to go straight to the Queen about some matter. No doubt to advise her that he and his vile wife Meghan will not be honoring the earlier agreement to refrain from exploiting his regal family connections family and upbringing for a Netflix show of some sort.

I can't imagine captains of industry with functioning brain cells, after seeing far too much of these two grifters in action, putting up good money or wasting their valuable time on a couple of obvious to Helen Keller con artists. I'm guessing the "hype" is PR spin rather than something that passes for reality.

I can't imagine a public, who've been overexposed to the razzle dazzle, being foolish enough to pay for more.

No one really knows what's going on. It's just like when the tabs said the Middletons were coming.

For one thing, Meghan has continued to insult the family and leak lies about them through Scabies. She used the week of mourning to get as much attention as possible and if the family missed it or underestimate what it tells them about the Sussexes as an ever-present danger, they deserve to be her victims.

Harry may be trying to get money out of them, some sort of financial settlement.

Or, he may still be trying to get that bullying enquiry shut down.

Harry and Meghan remain unchanged: mental, creepy, dishonest, ruthless, and grasping. The can never be trusted again

And last but not least, the UK public dislike them, particularly Meghan, and view them as greedy and traitorous.

If Charles remotely thinks he can rework Harry and Meghan into the fold after Finding Freedom. Oprah, and Meghan's and Harry's leaked stories this week, and as ll the other shit they pulled in the last 3 years, then he deserves to be set aside in the line of succession.

But I don't think that's what's under discussion.

The last week was really shitty PR for the Sussexes and really good PR for the monarchy and especially the Cambridges.

If Charles has any brains, he'll understand why and not snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

R50, and with his wife on maternity leave, only collecting 70% of her pay. What will they live on?!

Oh brother, another one of those planted stories. There’s always a flurry of “will they?/won’t they?” around those two. I’m guessing the “Harry might stay longer” story is a Meghan wish presented as fait accompli.

America is battening down the hatches and calling in National Guard troops all over their country, due to the actions of officer Derik Chauvin. No matter what the outcome, Americans will engage in full scale rioting, looting, and burning down cities.

How kind of you all to take time out to continue your non stop trashing of people you don't even know.

[quote]Harry and Megs started dating in 2016.

If they started dating in 2016, it means she was cheating on her boyfriend at the time then. What a two-timing, whoring cunt!!!

Peter Phillips stayed two steps behind William and Harry because, although the three are the adult grandsons of Prince Philip, Peter is not a prince.

The piece of ginger shit stays in the UK a few days longer as he needs more materials for his NF shitshow. The BRF should be very cautious when he approaches them.

The press release was issued 10 minutes before the coffin was scheduled to leave Windsor for the church. Sociopath.

One hopes Tim, the Earl of Snowdon and Edward get a chance to punch Harry in the face. They have known him all his life and still looked shocked.

Doubt that, R17, he was pulling PR stunts on the church steps. Harry and his wife are just alike. His image was a creation of Palace PR.

I suspect the goal is more danger containment that a sincere desire for the return of Haru. After how he showed up wrinkled in mismatched clothes and in need of a haircut and stunting on the church steps doubt anyone wants him around. The very icy shoulder from everyone but William and Catherine sent a clear message. Him issuing continued threats to his elderly grandparents as Philip lay dying will never be forgotten.

R36, the goal was to get in the same image with William. It disrupted the place of the Earl of Snowdon who he stepped in front of, Anne's husband Tim was behind and looked shocked. Harry pulled this on the church steps as they entered for the funeral. NO respect for anyone or anything. NO ONE wants Harry in their midst, but, he is a problem that must be contained. His mismatched and wrinked clothes were disgraceful too as was his poorly groomed facial hair. Harry acts out like a sulky drug addled teen, very unbecoming in a middle aged father of 2.

Agree, R48.

One hopes, R56. It has gone from entertaining to extremely ugly at this point.

Stunts at a funeral and merching the wreath 10 minutes before the body left Windsor are literally sociopathic acts.

🐑 But it is true, it is, I read it on the DataLounge !

Not a Haz fan, but I don't understand the 'mismatched clothes' claim. That's what morning suits look like - a tail coat and pinstripe trousers. They were all wearing them.

[quote]His image was a creation of Palace PR.

Completely. There have been a few articles in The Guardian that Harry's "deployment" in Afghanistan was completely Palace/Ministry of Defence-created PR.

One thing that has always given me a great deal of pause is Harry's Apache helicopter pilot's licence, which the Ministry of Defence was quick to announce he "passed with flying colours". Qualifying for a military helicopter pilot's licence includes instruction on the intricacies of rotary-winged aircraft, basic flight physics, flight systems, emergency procedures, how to draw and read flight maps, learning to fly helicopters in simulators, and between 70 and 150 hours of actual flight time before becoming a helicopter pilot.

Given that Harry barely passed out of Eton, is not known for his mental acumen, I'm inclined to believe that the helicopter pilot is yet more PR to bolster the sad reality of what Happy actually is.

Agree, R71, it seems beyond him. William actually worked as an air ambulance pilot prior to becoming a working royal and still flies.

I do wonder if Harry was made a working royal because he did not seem to be moving into, or capable, of any other career. Charles was said to be preparing a country estate for him.

He does seem quite limited, R71, along with vindictive.

Maybe Charles grew a pair from his last chats with Prince Philip and will lay down the law with Dim. At this point, the BRF looks like they're almost paying "ransomware" to these two goons in Montecito to "play nice" to the BRF on SM. I don't know what Philip told Charles in his last remaining breaths but I'm guessing it was to "deal with MM" and not let this compound any further than it already has. TQ is almost checked out and can't handle too much of the daily trans-Atlantic grip from Montecito to London leaving it to the courtier to monitor the deteriorating relations. The "void" left by Prince Philip is really part of the "larger void" within the BRF - the lack of (moral) leadership - which has been festering for many years.

If the BRF can't trust Harry to manage MM, and put a lid on their constant obnoxious, inflammatory and disrespectful media interviews, then someone with some common sense and take-no-prisoners needs to step in be the adult in the room going forward.

But who can that person be? And do they have the courage to do what is necessary?

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What is Gayle leaking this morning, anyone? Did Scobie really threaten an Oprah 2.0 during the funeral coverage?

R74 - Chance would be a fine thing . . .

I suspect that meeting between Charles and his father in hospital was more about Philip telling Charles he didn't have long to live, and dealing with their own father-son issues, and a promise that Charles would take care of the Queen and the family. I doubt Philip wasted that half hour on the Harkles. Charles and Philip would have had time to talk about the Harkles after Philip left hospital.

The problem that Harry has always presented to the BRF and their advisors, is that in containing Harry and his bad behaviour, they have also rewarded that bad behaviour. Harry has never had to pay a price for his feckless actions.

Just as they threw the plebs to the wolves by not doing anything about Meghan's abusive treatment of underlings, they also let Harry off the hook time and again by cleaning up his messes, passing him through schools, and then letting him marry and bring into the fold a woman that any ten year old could see was manifestly unfit for a life of royal duty, discretion, and, ironically, the self-effacement that is the price for all that status and deference.

That's the trick that Kate Middleton mastered so spectacularly well, and that Meghan never could.

I've always wondered if Charles is the only person in the family who is still in denial about who his son and daughter-in-law are. Refusing to name something properly allows one to evade responsibility for dealing with it.

Unfortunately, in Charles' case, such a stance presents a danger to the entire BRF and to the institution Charles is sworn to uphold and guard for the future.

We really don't know, but hopefully the spin being put on it by the tabloids, who make it up as they go along, Charles is resisting the urge to paste a Happy Families face on it all, as the Sussexes showed this week that they remain incapable of change or a willingness to change their behaviour.

They are still the scorpion on the tortoises back.

Oh, and Charles? If you're trying to assuage your own guilt for Harry this way . . . ?

^*tortoise's back

[quote]If the BRF can't trust Harry to manage MM

The last thing that Harry wants is to "manage" his missus. She's doing briliantly, behaving splendidly, accomplishing far more than Harry could have ever imagined when he took her on to act as bludgeon, destroyer and avenger for all of Harry's perceived personal slights, discontent, omissions and seething anger caused by his father and brother. And his missus will keep right on a hackin' and a hewin' until Harry's satisfied his childish, petulant ego that he's won and his father/brother have lost.

Even The Sun doesn't say she sent out PR about the wreath alone, but that the release confirming she would be watching the service included information about the wreath as well.

It is difficult to contain the harm of people like the Harkles, esp when they have access to global media and the existence of the BRF depends in part on public good will.

Harry is not going to change and become a kindly thoughtful human being, he is pushing 40. But how to contain despite that?

[quote]Maybe Charles grew a pair from his last chats with Prince Philip and will lay down the law with Dim.

Families are about punishing each other.

[quote]I don't know what Philip told Charles in his last remaining breaths but I'm guessing it was to "deal with MM"

It's insane that because you're obsessed with this, you think a man who spent nearly 100 years on earth handling things far more important and consequential than Meghan Markle was obsessing about her while on his death bed. That's utter insanity. You literally need professional help for a mental health issue.

[quote]If the BRF can't trust Harry to manage MM

Husbands are there to manage their women, who sadly have free will these days, it's all so unseemly.

Releasing details about the wreath is, to me, so reflective of Instagram culture. The need to explain the meaning and symbolism of everything – to make yourself look good, of course.

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R80, let’s pretend that the news of the wreath was just incidental and part of the very essential information that MM was watching the funeral.

The press release included the name of the florist and the name of the flowers that comprised the wreath?

Why no mention of who she was wearing? No screenshots of her weeping?

Terribly understated.

I'm not one of the delusional anti-Megastans on here so don't jump on me for saying this.

Vanilla Kate looked quite good. Is she realizing that in the public imagination she is the def-facto next most senior female in the family after the Queen? Cam will always have the shadow of Diana looming over her, especially after the annual TV memorials to Diana in August and The Crown. Kate is a first wife, unlikely to ever divorce, and has produced the heir and spares.

She looked really good. Like a glamorous Queen Mum.

Do you think she's had fillers?

Has Harry been able to finagle any alone time with Gran?

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Was anyone surprised?

This is interesting.

Esp interesting if the Anne story was indeed leaked through her (Lady CC)

Catherine looks like the Queen Mum, R86??

🤣 You'll still be bitching about that fucking purple wreath when Harry and Meghan are celebrating their 25th wedding anniversary.

I thought Kay was supposed to be a mouthpiece for Charles.

Is this an enemies closer kind of thing?

RICHARD KAY: A funeral masterstroke by Charles that may reunite sons

"For Charles, as sad as his father's passing undoubtedly has been, the priority now is the reintegration of Harry into royal life."

In earlier centuries Harry would have been sent to the Tower as a traitor to the BRF and country. Is Charles really as weak as his parents always feared?

HazMat planned on wearing his uniform so who knows where they had to go to get the clothes he wore.....

It probably didn't occur to him that his trousers needed to be pressed - all these details were taken care of for him in his previous life.....so many things to think about....

How many times has Philip been mentioned on this thread ?

Perhaps you didn't realize that he died ?

Point, R95.

Given his conduct at Philip's funeral, more of the same should be expected at any royal event. He could not even sit up straight or stop fidgiting. His miliatary service must have been a joke, his conduct, appearance and deportment do not reflect it at all, no matter what the occasion.

How long to the reality tv show? Anyone want to make predictions?

Harry could not even follow his Grandmother's clear wishes for the procession, she is also his "Commander in Chief" as he has noted. What a joke.

Do any of you obcessed nutters actually have a family? Note: Cats and budgies don't count.

R99--- We are gossiping on a gossip website . How empty and pathetic is your life that you feel the need to lecture posters posting about gossip on this gossip website? In other words, go fuck yourself . Tiresome, deadly dull cunt.

[quote] The Queen's Platinum Jubilee--a first for the BRF--will also be a celebration of a return to normal life after COVID.

Let's hope so. At the moment it feels as though this pandemic will NEVER end.

R93 Harry and Meghan making it to their 25th wedding anniversary is about as likely a DLers becoming crusaders of decorum and civility. Never going to happen.

Day 2 of MM's Assault on BRF Ceasefire. I never appreciated how beautiful Spring is until this week.

This is just repulsive they are.

Harry is finished in that family after the disgusting way he acted yesterday. He ignored his grandfather's wishes, the Queen's wishes. The family either glared at him or frosted him out. He may have had the slightest chance with them had he acted with class and dignity. But that is Harry. She was not there so this is all on him. There are probably hundreds of incidents with Harry that we are unaware of. Harry picked Meghan because they are just alike.

R94 I don't think Charles is weak, but like the Queen he doesn't like confrontation with his children and makes himself unavailable when he knows they are bound to happen. Charles allegedly stopped taking Harry's call because he grew sick of Harry's ever changing demands and requests for money apparently. Unlike the Queen, however, Charles has one hell of temper allegedly. His first instinct after the Oprah interview was to issue a stern point-by-point rebuttal. It was only the Queen's clam approach that really salvaged the situation by taking the more is less approach which basically took a lot of wind out of the Sussexes' sail because everything afterwards looks like mudslinging. William on the other hand, is much more like Philip in terms of his no BS stance. He played nice for the cameras (as future King, he is going to have to host tons of people he doesn't like personally so he can put on a happy face for his stupid brother) but William is said not to trust easily and his own brother betrayed his trust, Harry will never be forgiven by William. Even if H&M's marriage breakdown, William will not be rushing to save him, he'll do the least amount required to make the monarchy look good but that's it.

Regarding the rumours that Harry is staying longer: anyone know when Philip's will is being read.....................................

[quote]America is battening down the hatches and calling in National Guard troops all over their country, due to the actions of officer Derik Chauvin. No matter what the outcome, Americans will engage in full scale rioting, looting, and burning down cities.

[quote]How kind of you all to take time out to continue your non stop trashing of people you don't even know.

How kind of you to take time out to comment and criticize how we all choose to spend our free time. Especially, as you noted, during difficult time socially and politically for us all. We all need out outlets. Some of us like celebrity gossip boards.

Everything is left to the Queen. Always. After pawning those priceless Purdy hunting rifles that PP gave Harry, I just can't see that PP would have left one thing to Harry ever again.

Well this is a shock, especially given his "close bond" with Meghan!

It must be a mistake! What about Smuggs special bond with him?!! Add to that the Queen not inviting Hazmat to her birthday? Oh Dear! They must be down to paper plates in Montecito.

R109, I still cannot undertand that. If you do not want to use them, still keep them for the sentiment, or donate them or gift them to another family member.

Harry genuinely does not value interpersonal relationships or the feelings of others, or even appearing to abide by social norms. He and his wife are just alike that way.

That press release 10 minutes before the casket was due to leave Windsor should, with any luck, be the final straw for the Harkles. If not, his antics on the chapel steps surely will suffice.

It's smart to leave that sort of thing to the Queen, as that avoids the giant inheritance taxes (40% for large estates) in the UK. Another smart dodge is to put it all into trusts for the children (I'd assume it would be the great-grandchildren at this point).

Daily Mail and Telegraph are saying Harry is "out of here." Apparently he has a "walk and talk" with Charles yesterday and is leaving today, not staying for the Queen's birthday.

The article above indicates that much of Philip's fortune was art and collectibles, not cash. It makes sense to leave everything to the Queen who will probably donate most of it to the Royal Collection.

Of course Harry wasn't going to stay for the Queen's birthday. It's unlikely he wanted to stay or that the BRF wanted his presence at the small celebration. The woman is grieving her husband of 7 decades: The last thing she needs is a grifting grandson hanging about. Harry made his position quite clear during the Oprah interview and even clearer yesterday when he and Meghan tried to merch the funeral.

Go home to California, Hazza. Nobody in the UK misses you.

Harry is sociopathic, imo. I think he has always been this way, even before Diane's death. The interview was very damaging to TRF. He was still trying to blackmail them a day before PP died. His inexcusable behavior yesterday just sealed the deal. Harry is a real danger to the monarchy. I think losing PP has weakened the family greatly, and PC is not popular. They all know how precarious their position is. Harry's attacks on them can not be tolerated at all. I do not know why the British media are pushing for a reconciliation for Harry. It is strange because Harry is an absolute danger to them and can never be trusted again.

Maybe Harry's kids will come out of this with titles. As a compromise of some sort.

Archie has a title, Earl of Dumbarton.

Anyone see this? Poor Haru, ALWAYS the victim, NEVER responsible for his actions or their impact on others.

I do hope those poor children are being looked after. These are two people who should not even be trusted with a pet, much less a child. Harry can't even dress his own damn self and neither can she.

That's probably what Meghan wants R118, but the Queen is even less likely to give the HRH to Archie and his sister than she was before. What's the point of giving the HRH to children who will be raised in California? They'll be American kids with American accents and American values. They'll never be working royals serving the UK. The HRH would only serve Meghan's ego, and HM is not interested in gratifying that.

The bullshit about Archie and the HRH and his security is exactly that: bull. shit. An HRH doesn't guarantee you full-time Royal protection. Anne doesn't have it, and she's Princess Royal. The York girls don't have it, and they are HRHs. Meghan only wants it so she can monetize Prince Archie and Princess Ariel. It's disgusting.

Seriously, wtf did they expect? They accused their family of racism, cruelty, ect. Did they expect a fucking parade for the back stabbing little shit when he arrived?

There wasn’t a barber in the whole of London who could don a mask and see to Harry’s scruff? Not a valet who could run a pair of clippers and clean that mess up?

From the Sun article:

[quote]PRINCE Harry is desperate to return to pregnant Meghan – and feels “terrible” about leaving her behind, a pal said. The Duke of Sussex returned to the UK for Prince Philip’s funeral, where he came face-to-face with his family for the first time since he moved to LA. It was also the first meeting since he and Meghan’s Oprah interview aired early last month. And while it was thought he could stay for the Queen’s birthday on Wednesday, a friend now says he’ll soon return home.

Translation: The in-person shakedown attempt didn't work. There will be no more money for the Sussexes from the Royal purse, no return to patronages and duties, and no HRHs for the Sussex children. That two-hour confab between Charles, William, and Harry was probably them reiterating exactly that.

Get ready for leaks via Gayle and Omid about how cold and awful the family was to Harry during his time of grief.

Unpopular opinion: I think the wreath is very pretty. Might not be appropriate for the occasion, but it’s pretty.

I don’t know about the minute points of funeral protocol, but I’m guessing the florist does. I’ve read that the arrangement was somehow inappropriate. I wonder if someone suggested that, and she overrode them.

Even *I* know, though, that the press release was extremely tacky.

I thought the wreath looked fine. There was a little lavender color in one of the other wreaths, so it matched just fine. The symbolism of the flowers was quite good.

The real mistake was the press release, which was indicative of why Meghan never could have fit into the BRF. The family concentrates on doing and being, not telling everyone who they are and what their actions mean. That kind of shameless self-promotion is anathema to the BRF.

R124-- Oh yes. Non stop coverage of the cruel way poor little , cheeky Harry was treated. They are going to have a bit of a problem with that. Harry's actions on the day of his grandfather's funeral are in pictures, video for all of the world to see. Their treatment of the family while PP was sick and dying are out there as well. Some in the media are now reporting on their behavior and lies. The fact that the family were kind enough to allow Harry to attend his grandfather's funeral after that interview showed who has malice and who doesn't. Also, why are they trying so desperately to get titles from such a racist family who treated them so cruelly? Their hypocrisy in everything they say and do are just glaring.

R124 That is how I interpreted the article as well.

Harry cannot be given any patronage’s or work since he no longer lives in the U.K. and is not going to move back.

Not only that r128, he should soon be removed as UK Counsellor of State, since he no longer resides in the UK for at least half the year.

This steps Beatrice up, temporarily, but only until George turns 18.

Good God, I thought this being updated to include the funeral was a sick JOKE.

R116’s typo made me laugh. My partner, who couldn’t care less about royals, persists to this day in calling the late Princess of Wales “Lady Diane.”

R117 I mean

The family will do what they must do for Sussexes: invitations to major events like funerals, jubilees, and coronations. The Diana statue thing, of course. But they'll be made to feel like outsiders at those events, and there will be no invites to ancillary events: You can come to the funeral, but you aren't invited to the Queen's birthday party soon after, that kind of thing. The BRF will be cordial for the cameras but below that surface politeness will be alternating layers of ice and steel. Even Harry's stupidity and Meghan's arrogance won't be able to stand up to that kind of response.

What sort of character defects or mental illness would compel the updating of IMDb with an appearance as "self" at his grandfather's funeral with such alacrity? It was not even 24 hours. Prioritites, I suppose.

Also, I think H&M are in with some shady people. Isn't there also some investigation into one of their charities? The RF would know these things and want to separate their self as much as possible. It was said that Andrew was the only family member who welcomed Harry. Harry probably learned a lot from him. There is a photo from the funeral yesterday as they were leaving, and Harry is sneering at Ann.

As the Duke of Windsor said on the Crown, you never quite know when you're in with that family, but when you're out, you KNOW you're out.

Harry is just beginning to know that he is well and truly out.

"It was said that Andrew was the only family member who welcomed Harry."

It was said, it is thought, a source indicated . . .

No one told the tabs jack, they're making it up as they go along. And it was Harry's wife who tried to steal the focus from the bride at Andrew's daughter's televised wedding.

I suppose now that they're both outcasts, it could be a "misery loves company", but the truth is, no one knows a fucking thing except what was right in front of them: Harry made a fuss about his uniform, Harry behaved badly outside the chapel as he forced a photo op on Kate and William, Harry and Meghan poisoned the last weeks Philip had on this earth and the last his widow had to spend with him, Meghan leaked at least 5 stories during the week of mourning, one of which was unbelievably offensive, and then did a press release on her fucking wreath.

That's what we know, and quite enough, too.

I was very impressed to learn that Prince Philip wore the same pair of shoes for decades! He merely had them re-soled when needed!

They were probably some expensive bespoke brand like John Lobb. Those shoes last for decades if properly cared for and resoled occasionally. Of course, they cost thousands upfront, so they should.

Prince Charles' feet - from years of wearing bespoke shoes.

Oh, to be a fly on the wall during that "walk and talk."

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It has been a rough twelve months for Charles: COVID, the blow-up with his youngest son, and now his father's death. Some time in the country is probably an excellent idea.

R65 and R66 - how were Harry’s clothes “mismatched”? You keep stating this but I can’t see it. Looks like a standard mourning suit to me.

^^^ ack - “morning” suit, I mean.

Harry's clothes were wrinkled, his hair disheveled and his beard untrimmed, but his suit and trousers were just like what the others were wearing. I don't see the mismatch either.

Why shouldn’t Charles want his only two children to reconcile? William wouldn’t be a good king if he were to carry a grudge forever. A wise monarch, like Queen elizabeth, tries to keep the peace. William will reign in much the same way as Queen Elizabeth: sturdy, dependable, and silent. The nation needs to look up to him, not deride him and his father over supposed weakness. Whatever anger they have they can address behind closed doors, but in public they need to think of the crown and how to repair the damage from Harry and Meghan’s exploits.

Edo was quite well turned out, shame he did not give Haz pointers, given how close he is said to be to the Yorks and all.

Wow, a brief period on Saturday afternoon that maybe there were some chance of a reconciliation, but it all seems to have vanished quickly.

And yes, Harry needed a haircut. He looked like he just got off from a nap on the Greyhound bus and pulled into London just in time to get to Windsor.

William has behaved well considering the provocations the Sussexes have made. Being a good King doesn't mean being a doormat.

I think the reconciliation claims were put out by Sussex PR in an attempt to strengthen their rapidly fraying connection to the BRF. They seem to have realized, far too late, that they need those connections to make it in Hollywood. The Palace has been quick to counteract all that spin with their own subtle but deadly rejoinders: Harry wanted out, he is out, and his brief appearance at his grandfather's funeral has changed nothing.

There was no press release. There were stories from friendly reporters.

That looks like a beautiful house, R142. But he's going for a week? He won't be with Queenie on her birthday, either, so we should give Harry a break on that, too. It sounds like she wants to be alone. She's planning a walk with the corgi and dorgi.

My guess is Harry packed his military uniform. It was probably the Palace that threw that mourning suit together for Harry. Blame the butler!

The big meanie means at the palace gave me wrinkled clothes to wear to embarrass me

The MIRROR just put out an "exclusive" that seems to overshadow Dan Wootton's in the Mail, and that sounds much more aligned with the reality of the family's tense relationships. This sounds far more like the truth than the other tabloids' treacle about peace and reconciliation . . .

And what it boils down to is that Charles and William and the rest of the family are still hurt, angry, and distrustful of Harry and Meghan, and nothing has been resolved, and the likelihood of H&M being reintegrated into the family privately, let alone as "working royals" is very, very remote.

Harry in his letter, sent before the funeral (the story was allegedly leaked by one of Harry's "sources"), promises to "respect the institution".

Which, of course, he didn't the moment he touched down in England and that his wife hastily set about undermining with her leaked stories during the week of mourning.

In fact, Harry is keeping his promise to respect the institution so steadfastly, that he has already edited his IMDb profile to include participation in another television Special: the funeral of His Royal Highness The Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.

I kid you not: he's already put it up there.

The BRF just don't get it: Harry and Meghan are sociopaths.

Someone on Lipstick Alley posted that a journalist who covers the royals, said that they didn't publicise a lot of the really bad stuff that they KNOW from tagging along, because they need to balance the coverage to get the maximum attention. Apparently the royal journos knew tonnes more bad things that Diana did, but kept it under wraps to keep the public off-balance about her, because it was better for the bottom line.

But this article reads more like the truth of what must have happened.

I think the BRF knows at this point what they are dealing with. That's why the Sussexes' demands fall on increasingly deaf ears. They know there is no point trying to make it up with the Sussexes even if the BRF wished to do so: Harry and Meghan have proven themselves masters at biting any feeding hand to shreds.

R152, how did a friendly reporter know which flowers comprised the Sussex wreath? Did they intercept and inspect the delivery? Did they consult a flower guide and identify each plant in the arrangement? And then search the Internet to see what the flowers symbolized? How did they know Meghan wrote the note? How did they know which florist created the wreath? I imagine (but hey, I could be wrong) that a top-tier florist wouldn’t be blabbing about the arrangements they send to their top-tier clients. Discretion would be highly prized.

Maybe the florist is in the habit of providing details of their funeral wreaths to friendly tabloid reporters.

“Bazaar.com can confirm that Prince Harry and Duchess Meghan contributed a custom wreath...a card, handwritten by Meghan herself, also accompanied the wreath”...

...It is full of inane commentary on how the wreath was “hand-made” “custom” for the service. Yes, flower arrangements are always hand-made. And at royal funerals, all wreaths being commissioned by royal family members, dignitaries, or diplomatic officials are custom-made for the occasion. You can’t just call 1-800-FLOWERS and ask for a medium-sized wreath to be sent to Windsor Castle. And, like I said before, no one else is giving a detailed look into why their wreath looks the way it looks. The Canadian people sent a wreath. It was made of red and white flowers, because those are the colours of our country’s flag. Nobody had to say it explicitly, because it’s not about the Canadian people. It’s about sending a token of condolence and commemoration.

The Harper’s article also mentions that the flowers for the wreath were “locally sourced”. Locally sourced. In London? One of the world’s largest cities, which contains thousands of florists and presumably every type of flower you could ever imagine to put in a wreath? Well, colour me impressed. It’s these sort of meaningless grammatical flourishes that stink of the American PR machine. Meghan and Harry are trying to get extra credit for their wreath having been made by a human person, designed especially for an occasion, and made with flowers from the city in which the mourners live. Weird flexes, but okay. The wording around these details is as flowery as the locally sourced, hand-made wreath lying in St. George’s Chapel right now...

From a blog that was posted above. The phrase “meaningless grammatical flourishes” is so *apt*. It really describes their life.

So much finger pointing ......

Who was actually responsible for raising Harry after Diana's untimely death? Wasn't anyone paying attention?

^ Look, the Megh moron with the countless dots is back.

I’m not saying publicists didn’t plant the story. I’m saying there was no press release, which is a written statement issued to the public, a much more blatant act.

Splitting hairs R162, this was during his grandfather's funeral.

And a planted story gives them control whereas a press release likely would have triggered a WTAF response.

R159 - is that info from Omid Scobie? Isn't he a "royal correspondent" for Harper's Bazaar? If it's him, Meghan gave him the details just like she did for his book "Finding Freedom".

Whenever I see “Duchess Meghan” I just know that it’s from Scobie. Meghan’s mouthpiece has no fucking idea.

You control the timing when you issue a press release.

Are they still trying to make this happen?

[QUOTE] Harry will never be forgiven by William

just curious how you know this. I’m not challenging whether it’s true or not, but you’re stating it with absolute authority. What’s your connection to the RF?

Looks like Harry had a good visit with his brother and his father. I hope the three of them can make up.

There is no such thing as "making up" in this case. It's not like they had an argument over who would get Gran's set of Paragon china.

The fucking Sussexes threw the entire family under the bus, via a pack of lies, on international media. They insulted the UK taxpayer, lied to the Queen about their intention to be in it for the long haul, insulted a future Queen, tried to deceive the Queen about the Oprah interview in order to capitalise in some way on her removing their royal patronages, military honours, and Commonwealth positions, and then leaked details of personal conversations to an American second-rate newscaster in an attempt to blackmail the family into giving them whatever it was they wanted. There is a bullying enquiry now going on as to Meghan's brutality toward staff, which Harry desperately wants to shut down.

They have not shown an iota of remorse, except for the fact that the timing of the interview was "unfortunate".

It was more than fucking "unfortunate".

They have bitten the hands that fed them over and over again. They cannot be trusted and suffer from serious mental and emotional issues, not the least of which is ruthless narcissism.

They are mad, bad, and dangerous to know. You don't make up with vipers.

R167 - That's old. They aren't supposed to be using that now. It all goes through Archewell.

It was the original set of demands, R170. Ones they seem, in their delusions, to think they can "manifest."

Now this is poor PR. Not even clear there is a reconciliation, but, apparently, she doesn't care if Harry makes up with his brothers or not. Screw her husband if she doesn't get a piece of the pie. And for Meghan and Harry, there is no more pie.

Bringing this over from elsewhere b/c I think it goes to why some journalists are still pushing the Harkles so hard when it is clear to all of us, if perhaps, not the Harkles, that their time in the BRF is over.

"The reason why some royal reporters are pushing so hard for Harry to be brought back into the fold? They know the longer Harry is disconnected from the royal family & Great Britain's environs, the less resonance he has to the British public; and this is what concerns the press.

Lady C oft related her conversation with Robert Jobson in the past about Diana, why it was the media didn't report half the unsavory elements of her character that they were all fully aware of. Robert Jobson's reply had been (paraphrasing here), if we told the public all the bad bits she was up to, the public would turn on her and no longer be interested in what she was doing. She sells papers but only so long as the public can empathize her plight.

Being on a different continent will inevitably reduce Harry to little more than passing interest for the British public and this will be the thing that plummets Harry & Meghan's stock for the press. William & Catherine deflect from themselves and focus on the work. They easily glamour with the best on the world stage should the occasion call, but they are also impassive. Meanwhile, Charles and Camilla have aged out of their soap drama; and, well, drama is what sells. Paramount to many papers who already struggle in today's climate for revenue is finding the sensational stories that will drive ongoing public interest in what they print. Bottom line for them is money, always money, not some halfwit wayward princeling who doesn't do anything noteworthy. This so-called threat to the monarchy because of Harry's estrangement is really papers projecting their own fears that public consciousness will eventually be well and through with Harry."

That's a really interesting analysis, R174.

Oh phooey. There are a million true crimes and political scandals and reality “star” and celebrity dramas the tabloids can exploit. They don’t need Harry and Meghan to stay profitable. (Although I agree they’re sensational clickbait fodder.)

I’m sure Bea and Edo are hoping to fly below the radar. As is her father. There’s a seam there, waiting to be mined when the Harry and Meghan drama goes away.

Bob Igor had it right. Way back in 2020.

“Meghan needs Disney more than Disney needs Meghan. She’s a controversial figure,” a Senior Disney Executive told the Daily Mail. “There have been reports of a deal but that’s not true beyond the voiceover work.”

Has to be one of the top 3 biggest bag fumbles in modern history.

The elephant charity saw none of the Disney money, how much went to Sunshine Sachs, Scobie and, err, recreational aides?

The elephant charity: Elephants Without Borders, registered and based in Botswana but they have an “affiliate” office, EWB, Inc., in New York State which is a 501 (c) (3). Charity Navigator gives it a good score. The US office seems to have 3 employees who are volunteers. Their tax filings are linked but the most recent one is from 2017 and donations aren’t itemized, just the total amount. I think non-profits are required to publish an annual report. The Lion King premiere was July 2019.

Is anyone brave enough to call to get confirmation about not receiving the donation? The WaPo reporter who followed up on all of Trump’s bragging won a Pulitzer.

These people are never going to get together. No one stays in the same place long enough. Or maybe they think they can resolve things or come to some sort of understanding in a matter of a couple of hours. They attend the funeral, and then walk up to Windsor Castle for an outdoor reception for an hour or so where most everyone has iced out Harry or is throwing daggers at him with courtiers around who can hear every word.

Then Charles leaves for Wales to get away from it all less than 24 hours after the funeral. William is barely speaking to Harry. And reports are that Harry may leave, or Harry may stay until Granny's birthday on the 21st. But with no one talking to him, what the hell gets accomplished? They all supposedly want to talk, but no one sticks around or stays in one place for any length of time. Good luck, boys. Doesn't look like it's happening.

Well, Charles and William may have their faults, but perhaps they decided to employ the age-old adage used by most diplomats around the world:

"You don't negotiate with terrorists."

I've formed the opinion that Harry and Meghan are not going to break up if Harry has any say over it. From his (rather warped) perspective, judging by what he's said and done publicly, he doesn't have a lot going on for himself except his wife and kids. He's sidelined from being of much importance within the Royal Family because he's the second son, and as he and his brother grew up and William married and had kids, Harry slipped even further down the roster. He doesn't want to put up with that treatment and appears to have a festering resentment about it that isn't going anywhere.

What he has is this ersatz life away from all that, a wife, and one-plus kids of his own. It doesn't seem like a very attractive life, but it's his. I don't think he's going to give that up to get back into the family fold. He didn't want what they had to offer before, so why would he want to go back to it?

Those two have made such a mess of things for themselves. Too bad.

This seems to be their problem in a nutshell, and in all contexts, not just the BRF.

A source said: “One of the main issues with Harry and Meghan when they were part of the working family was their inability to understand how things worked. It’s been a lot simpler without them kicking off over why they couldn’t just do what they wanted.

“Things are a lot calmer.”

One rumor is that the "security team" that flew over with him was a film crew from Netflix. They allegedly were housed at Frogmore. That may be why the BRF "took over" security once he landed.

So, R183, were those "security team" members filming everything at the time of the funeral - perhaps the conversation with Charles, William and Harry?

R183. The Markles' first documentary with Netflix is supposed to be about Harry's pet project, the Invictus Games, due to come out next spring/summer before the actual Invictus Games take place in The Netherlands in 2022.

It would seem rather inappropriate if a Netflix security team were filming anything about Harry's arrival in the UK and Philip's funeral for a documentary that is supposed to be about Invictus. That would most certainly be cashing in on his royal stature for commercial profit.

R100 We take that as a no.

So bored of Harry and Meghan and their ceaseless self aggrandizement.

R181, I agree. Somehow, he has become rather dependent on Meghan. How on earth did that happen? (Just kidding, I know how that works.)

She decides how long the marriage will last. Since the wedding, her stock has plummeted. Using Harry as a jumping-off point to snag a billionaire isn’t such a viable plan anymore.

They might be stuck with each other, just like Wallis and Edward. Too bad for the kids.

It is amazing how the tabloids make shit up, though. Today, the SUN or someone is talking about a "conference" at Frogmore Cottage hosted by Harry of William, Charles, and Kate, to "thrash things out", and that Harry hosted the meeting because he needed to be on his own turf because he was "outnumbered" 3:1.

First, the paps have surrounded Frogmore Cottage for weeks. Not a single shot of the Brooksbanks, or Harry over the last week.. In fact, there was never a shot of Harry or Meghan or Archie there for the brief time they allegedly "lived" there. If they could get shots of Kate sunbathing at a private country residence in France from a couple of miles off with gigantic telephoto lens, it's unlikely they wouldn't be able to get one of three senior royals arriving at Frogmore Cottage in the afternoon to talk to Harry.

And what fucking aide worth a damn would leak that to the tabloids?!

And lastly, Kate would never attend - this is, and always has been, amongst Charles, William, Harry, and the Queen. Kate has always left this to William.

The one thing I will agree with all parties in this debacle about is the endless persecution of the press, telling the public what it doesn't know and can't prove, totally without receipts, not even one fucking photograph, which the public then believes.

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R177 - I'm sure the Royal Marines were thrilled to see that photograph, too, as they held their 30th Deal Memorial Service without their honorary Captain, because he was too busy pimping his wife out to Hollywood.

If any action showed Harry's true colours, it was this choice. He made it clear what his priorities and inclinations were. Then he whinged about losing the Captaincy that his grandfather had held for 64 years with honour, and then passed on to Harry as an honour. Once can only imagine what Philip's reaction was to this disgusting display of self-interest to duty, especially military duty.

But, yeah, Meghan had a "special bond" with Philip. Jesus.

The job title, that in the US is sometimes shortened to 'CHIMPO', has already drawn mockery at home in Britain for the silly-sounding phrase.

But it has led to laughter and red-faces among many in the Asian country who have heard the news, due to the word 'chimpo' in Japanese being slang for 'penis'.

^*One can only . . . this elevation of self-interest above duty, particularly military duty.

Is Meghan okay? Has anyone asked?

[quote]Charles leaves for Wales to get away from it all less than 24 hours after the funeral

I'm sure his widowed mother and his son, the one he's still talking to, really appreciate that. Such a helpful man with so much care and consideration for others.

R152, I was having trouble finding the press release as well, but didn't bother saying so because of the usual posters on these threads. The news said the Global Press Secretary, who is Toya Holness, released the info, but that comes from the Daily Mail, and later articles all qualify it by saying she "reportedly" released a statement.

The statement is nowhere to be found. I cannot find an original source for the quotes. They all seem to originate with the Daily Mail, and how likely is it that she would have sent a statement to them and no one else?

R189, various camps also plant different stories for a variety of purposes.

R191, even a seasoned Hollywood professional, Bob Igor, was visibly shocked by Harry's shameless conduct, as were Jay Z and Beyonce. Igor's later quote about Meghan was very telling as well.

And where DID that money earmarked for the elephant charity go? Reportedly, they have not seen a penny of it.

All this PR does not come cheap, after all.

From the article linked by R142:

[quote] But, in an unprecedented development that lays bare the depth of their rift, Charles and William preferred to meet with Harry together so that nobody's words could be misconstrued afterwards.

That comment was on the TV news in Australia a little while ago too. Quite the upper-cut. Of course, MeAgain will spill some of the meeting content, pointing out that Harry had no witness on his side, so they've both lied about him.

Look at Igor's face and that of his wife. Imagine Harry a year later and more desperate. And after that Oprah interview and leaked phone calls, no one will want to do business with or socialize with them unless they are bottom feeders. The Obamas have even made their position on the Harkles clear. Yet, they keep digging.

I guess I am The Telegraph troll... a nice story about Lady Louise and some insight into the Wessex family and their place in the family...

Lady Louise – the close bond between the Queen, Prince Philip and their youngest granddaughter

The passing of Prince Philip has brought to prominence a younger Royal, who shares her grandfather’s passion for horses and carriage driving By Eleanor Steafel 19 April 2021 • 6:39pm

Over the past 10 days, as all eyes have been on Windsor following Prince Philip’s death, a sombre little face has cropped up again and again. Always in the background, poised and respectful, quietly allowing more senior members of the family to take centre stage, Lady Louise Mountbatten-Windsor seemed to grow into a fully fledged member of the Firm in front of our eyes.

She accompanied her parents everywhere last week, standing between them as they viewed floral tributes to her grandfather outside St George’s Chapel, attending a church service, going with them to meet members of the Windsor Estate staff to share memories and condolences and, on Saturday, watching on as her father, uncles and aunts and older cousins followed her beloved grandpa’s coffin.

The Duke’s death will, of course, have been a devastating blow to the entire family, but particularly for his youngest granddaughter, to whom he is said to have been close.

On the morning he died, she was seen in Windsor Great Park giving his horses a run around in his carriage, just as he would have wanted. And, indeed, it is to 17-year-old Lady Louise that the Duke is said to have bequeathed his two fell ponies, Balmoral Nevis and Notlaw Storm, to go with the polished green carriage he designed and rode.

She may be 14 years younger than her next cousin, Princess Eugenie, but it is Lady Louise who, along with her brother, James, Viscount Severn, 13, has always enjoyed a special relationship with her grandparents, one that has been so clear to see in recent days.

Growing up just 20 minutes away from Windsor Castle at 51-acre Bagshot Park, the Wessex children have been lucky to have shared more quality time with their grandparents than their much older cousins. By the time Lady Louise was born in 2003, the Queen and Prince Philip had been grandparents for 26 years. Her arrival represented a new generation of Royal grandchildren, and a new chance for the Queen and the Duke to be truly hands-on grandparents.

One royal insider recalls a time when you had to approach the castle “through a sea of tricycles”.

“They were the grandchildren that they saw the most,” says Ingrid Seward, author of Prince Philip Revealed: a Man of his Century and editor-in-chief of Majesty magazine. “While the older ones were seen less frequently, this little girl was there every weekend.”

This little girl, it should be noted, didn’t have the faintest idea her granny was Queen for some time. Her parents strove to give their children as “normal” an upbringing as possible – so much so that when Lady Louise started school, she had no concept of her grandmother’s official status.

Her mother revealed in an interview that she came home saying: “Mummy, people keep on telling me that grandma is the Queen.”

For Louise and her brother, The Queen and Prince Philip were just Granny and Grandpa, and Windsor Castle was just the house where they played and rode ponies at weekends.

She has enjoyed about as normal a childhood as a Royal grandchild ever could, attending a prep school near home in Windsor before starting St Mary’s Ascot in 2017. She was a bridesmaid at the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge’s wedding in 2011, and accompanied her parents on an overseas engagement in 2015, but otherwise has been kept largely away from the spotlight.

Bagshot Park is, as one insider says, “vast”, but life there is cosy. Before the pandemic, weekends were spent, invariably, with the Queen and Prince Philip. “They’re always watching television together,” says one source.

“Windsor was always Edward’s favourite place, even before his marriage.” says Seward. “They live nearby and because the Queen is so fond of Sophie, they spent a lot of time at the castle.”

Lady Louise’s mother and grandmother grew close when Princess Margaret died, after which “Sophie became a real source of support for the Queen,” says one insider. “It was after then that we increasingly saw pictures of Sophie accompanying the Queen to church.”

Their bond strengthened further following Louise’s traumatic birth. She was a month premature, arriving while Edward was away on an official visit to Mauritius, and delivered by an emergency caesarian after Sophie suffered a placental abruption that caused severe blood loss. The Countess was in Frimley Park Hospital for 15 days, while Louise was transferred to a neonatal unit in St George’s. On a visit back

to Frimley Park in 2014, the Countess wept as she met the midwives who had saved her and her daughter’s lives.

“Around the time of Lady Louise’s birth, the Queen took Sophie very much under her wing,” says Seward. “She is like another daughter to the Queen; they remain extremely close.”

One lasting effect of Louise’s premature birth was an eye condition called strabismus, which meant, as a child, her eyes couldn’t align simultaneously. Speaking on World Sight Day a couple of years ago, her mother explained her squint had been “quite profound” before it was fixed in an operation when she was nine.

“Premature babies can often have squints because the eyes are the last thing in the baby package to really be finalised. [Lady Louise’s squint] was quite profound when she was tiny and it takes time to correct it. You’ve got to make sure one eye doesn’t become more dominant than the other, but she’s fine now. Her eyesight is perfect.”

Now 17, Lady Louise bears a striking resemblance to a young Princess Elizabeth, and is said to share something of her character, too. She is “studious”, according to one insider, “a good girl. She’s totally conscientious and straightforward.” Not unlike, then, how her granny is said to have been as a girl – modest, sensible and mad about horses.

“There are shades of the young Elizabeth,” says Seward. “There is something about her – a capability. She’s obviously a very gentle young woman.

“Remember Princess Eugenie’s wedding, when she was a special attendant – she was very sweet and helped the little bridesmaids and her dress blew up. But she handled it really well.”

Only time will tell what sort of role Louise and her brother will occupy within the much-trailed “slimmed-down” version of the monarchy. “We try to bring them up with the understanding that they are very likely to have to work for a living,” their mother told The Sunday Times last year.

“Hence we made the decision not to use HRH titles. They have them and can decide to use them from 18, but it’s highly unlikely.”

A love of horses and the outdoors is sure to be at the centre of her close relationship with both grandparents. The Duke taught both Louise and her mother to ride carriages. He was pictured watching on proudly in 2019 when his youngest granddaughter came third in a carriage driving competition at the Royal Windsor Horse Show.

“He was really pleased that she did well,” says Seward. “He had done so much for carriage driving as a sport and was delighted he was passing on his enthusiasm to somebody of a completely different generation.”

The sight of his two fell ponies pulling their master’s polished dark green carriage on Saturday – the Duke’s cap, gloves and blanket, with a jar of sugar lumps for the horses, in place of where he would once have sat – was among the most moving moments of the day.

Even more poignant, then, to learn his granddaughter is destined to carry on this most personal legacy.

In light of all that has transpired since Dim and MM got married and unleashed this steady stream of micro-aggressive interviews, statements, leaks aimed at the BRF such they are now dealing with an enormous backlash against their absymal PR tactics, obscene SM messaging throughout PP's funeral, and now drip drip messages post-BRF summit, the pair should just call it a day .

Stop and step away and review the entire purpose, rationale, and strategy supporting their current foundation structure and affiliated sponsors, partners and associates. Their "service" to the world brand is sullied, fake, marred, denigrated, darkened, and compromised for all to see.

These two are locked in a Power Play with the BRF. There's an old saying: "When you're in a power play, withdraw. Then there's no more power play." Yet, the power play continues.

[QUOTE] Harry's clothes were wrinkled, his hair disheveled and his beard untrimmed, but his suit and trousers were just like what the others were wearing. I don't see the mismatch either.

The person ranting about the mismatched garments is the ignorant white trash Welp Troll, a Tumblr import who doesn't know what morning suits look like.

98 posts on this thread are by that lunatic who keeps spazzing on about the mismatched suits, Sunshine Sachs and the 'merched' wreath.

Harry's attendance was 100% a Sussex PR exercise, as expected, and happy to see he was shut down from all sides.

Prince Harry to return to US without speaking to Charles one-on-one

Prince Harry will fly home to the US without having “one-on-one” chats with either his father or brother — because neither trust him enough to speak with him alone, sources told Page Six.

The only tete-a-tete between Harry, Prince William and their dad, Prince Charles, was a three-way “clear-the-air talk” at Harry’s UK home, Frogmore Cottage, following Prince Philip’s funeral on Saturday, sources said.

Charles and William would only agree to talk to Harry if there were witnesses to what was said, because the heir to the throne and his eldest son feared that a twisted account might leak out from Harry’s camp, the sources said.

When Charles and William reached out to Harry last month following the bombshell interview he and wife Meghan Markle gave to Oprah Winfrey, the news was quickly reported by Gayle King — who revealed the talks were “not productive.”

Saturday’s three-way talk didn’t fully mend any cracks in the high-profile family, which arose after Harry, 36, and Meghan, 39, did a tell-all in which they accused the royal family of racism.

“They are being protective of one another — no one wants anything private being reported back to anyone. Nobody wants anything out there,” a UK royal source told us.

“And no one can pretend to know what was said on Saturday — it was just immediate family after the service.”

Another source added that “it’s still early days” and that “there’s a way to go” in mending the family rift.

Harry and William, 38, were seen having a brief amiable chat on Saturday as they left Philip’s funeral service at St George’s Chapel and walked up to Windsor Castle. That talk, however, was just brief and in public.

Harry is believed to be flying home to California soon to reunite with his pregnant wife and their 23-month-old son, Archie.

A source familiar with the post-Oprah-interview rift told us: “It was wonderful to see William and Harry talking, but it’s early days. There’s a way to go.

“It’s not just Charles and William who want to keep their rapprochement private — but Harry too. No one needs Gayle King reporting on private family matters.”

Charles has now gone to Wales, according to the Daily Mail, to mourn the death of his father in private at his Welsh home, Llwynywermod in Llandovery.

Harry may still remain in the UK to join his grandmother Queen Elizabeth II on her 95th birthday on Wednesday.

While Her Majesty has canceled all formal celebrations, including the release of a new photo, Harry would be able to join her for a walk outside per the UK’s COVID-19 guidelines.

Harry’s flight home for the funeral of the Duke of Edinburgh, who died aged 99 on April 9, marked the first time he had been back to the UK in more than a year after he and Meghan quit their roles within the royal family.

Although Meghan was not given medical clearance to fly, she sent a handwritten note, which was placed on top of a wreath at Philip’s funeral, in addition to watching the service on TV at home in California.

It’s Bob IGER, not Bob IGOR.

I've hired a morning suit for a wedding (at Ivar Mountbatten's place... you can book the whole place, even sleep in their beds.) They don't really wrinkle but my God the whole get up must weigh twenty pounds.... the trousers and the coat are the heaviest.

He seems close with the Wessexes. There were many photos of royalty in the house but the most of them. Ivar looks good with the beard. What I admire most is he came out late in life and God love him, met, fell in love with and married a man of his own damned age. No chasing twinks for him.

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Thank you, R210, noted. As was his disbelief when interacting with the Harkles. One would imagine he has seen it all, but they are something else entirely.

R196 it's not unusual to send a "press release" type of statement to a targeted list of reporters rather than through a wire service. We did this all the time when I was in corporate PR.

That Lady Louise article is interesting. It seems as if they are building up to her having a larger public profile. There's a lack of youngish senior Royals, so if she's up to the task once she's done with university, good for her.

That article about Charles and William being afraid to meet with Harry alone is really devastating if true. When there's that little trust, there can be no reconciliation.

I doubt that, R216, it's more of a human interest, soften feeling toward the institution type story.

I know some on DL like to pad the ranks of the Royal Family at every chance - hello, York girls trolls - but it looks like the monarchy is more likely to slim and target than carry on as before. They're plainly making a choice between volume of work and carping about how much they cost. Of the two bets, cutting back the number available is probably easier to pull off. The restrictions aren't what they used to be - William in particular is more open to all the channels through which they can get with people, rather than the old show up and shut up model.

That does make sense, R217. Prince Philip was apparently patron of 800 charities: How much time did he spend on most of them? Nobody could keep up with that volume of work. Does a charity need a Royal patron it never sees? Also, by making their patronage a little more selective, it will make Royal presence count for more. And Zoom is a game-changer.

[quote] [R196] it's not unusual to send a "press release" type of statement to a targeted list of reporters rather than through a wire service. We did this all the time when I was in corporate .

A “press-release” type statement is not a press release. In this case, one reporter broke the story. That’s a planted story, not a press release.

R216, after continuing threats up until Philip's death, a long period of repentance and trust building on Harry's part would be required, no? And given his stunting on the church steps and Suxs placed PR DURING the funeral, where would evidence of that be? Harry chose to reveal private conversations to Gayle King. Fool me twice and all that.

Harry hasn't a prayer of getting back into the family's golden circle unless he dumps Meghan. Even then, it might not happen. A divorce and a long period of good behavior and repentance would be needed, but we know William, in particular, does not trust easily. He might forgive his brother without ever letting him be truly close again.

R219 there really isn't a difference besides the method of distribution. The statement will even read 'press release'.

There have been so many contradictory stories in the media about this weekend. Some say Harry did meet with Charles and William privately, others are saying they didn't. Now some are saying the Queen is basically telling Harry to go home. I think until we get the Tea from Gayle King we won't know the truth ... cause you know H&M are going to leak to her at some point.

I would not take that as unbiased "fact" either, R223.

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Hopefully she gets a better name than her brother. Archie is a nickname, not a name. And Harrison...get it, he's "Harry's son!"

R226, I had never paid any attention to Meghan and Harry (beyond seeing a snippet of their engagement interview and finding their dynamic very strange) until I heard what they'd named their son. As someone who was interested in royal history, I thought this was a very strange departure - using two names that are not family names, the second of which is not a real Christian name (it's a surname) and giving him a nickname as his Christian name. Then I began to pay attention and have been somewhat hooked on her antics ever since!

They'd do well to name her Elizabeth Charlotte Wilhelmina if they want to kiss ass with those in power. They're not that smart though.

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"Experts" can claim anything. If the beloved Diana couldn't topple the monarchy, Harry and Meghan certainly can't.

R227 I'm fine with the name Harrison in general, but when the father is named Harry? CRINGE.

I just double checked to make sure Harrison Ford's father wasn't named Harry.

R231, my grandmother's rule was that a child must be given non-abbreviated saints' names only and, unfortunately, I have never been able completely to escape the belief that people who give their children any other names are a bit trashy. I didn't grow up in the US, where I know that the trend for surnames as first names seems to have started and is much more embedded.

Lady Louise is quite a big girl now, as well as very plain. It's certain she is not going to be the It Girl of the 2020s.

R229 People who think the monarchy is going to be abolished after the Queen dies are likely the same people who thought Brexit would never happen.

Did Harry take a private jet with his "security team" who may actually have been there for another purpose for Netflix? Was him flying commercial just more PR?

Those two can't time an improper press release to their advantage so, no, they're not going to topple the monarchy. Everything they touch turns to crap. The polls show solid, majority support for the monarchy and solid, majority disdain for for Dupe and Duche$$ after their tasteless tell all to Orca.

In a painful, roundabout way they may be one of the better things to happen to the monarchy of late. Every piece needs a villain and in this piece, none of them seem to live in the UK.

They have benefitted Catherine's image tremendously.

Louise is no beauty though, that’s for sure. She seems to have the worst of all the Windsor features, and her unfortunate eye condition. Bless her heart.

I really will never understand people who give their kids “unusual” or trendy names.

These are often the same people who try to social climb. Yet they don’t understand that names are such a huge class marker.

Meghan reminds me of all the chubby housewives who live near me. So trashy, without a bit of self awareness.

They also talk about being “germaphobes” and “OCD.” They don’t seem the least bit aware that they might as well be wearing a sign that says “I grew up in a chaotic and low-rent environment, and now I’m overcompensating.” Shades of Markle’s famous control-freakiness.

R237 It's interesting cause I've never disliked Catherine but she was low on my radar I guess. Since that interview girl has stepped her pussy up and is totally a Queen-in-waiting waiting now. Honestly, I feel like she and William are ready, it's sad Charles has to be King first. I think the best for the long-term health scenario of the monarchy would be for a younger person to take over after the Queen dies.

^^That's not how a monarchy works, where 'young' is preferred. Besides, the Cambridges will be there, right behind Charles. The idea is not step up until the kids are mostly grown if possible.

'And given his stunting on the church steps and Suxs placed PR DURING the funeral, where would evidence of that be? '

You sound like one of these crazy Larries with your talk of 'stunts'. Fuck off back to Tumblr.

'Since that interview girl has stepped her pussy up and is totally a Queen-in-waiting waiting now'

She's done precisely nothing since the interview except attend PP's funeral.

Anna Pasternak did VF's hit job on Kate in its cover article on her last year. She hates the Cambridges and is totally on Meghan's camp. She also had an affair with James Hewitt.

The VF article obligingly spreads Meghan's mythology about herself, never mentions that within days of the Oprah interview Meghan's lies and absurd claims about suicide and being refused help and unable to travel and why her kid didn't get an HRH, were being challenged.

Talks as if they forgot to look at the polls for the monarchy, William, and Kate, and goggles at a white, Protestant family as the monarchy of a country that is still 80% white, and only 4% black, where a white king took the country out of the apostolic succession and Rome's grip, and the monarch is named as Defender of the Faith.

It's a totally and predictably biased article. The monarchy isn't going anywhere any time soon, and neither are the Windsors.

Lastly, the article simply ignores that the Sussexes are deeply unpopular in the UK and therefore unlikely to topple the monarchy, that it was clear early on that Meghan never intended to stay and used the Windsors to turn herself into the global celebrity that she always wanted to be.

And, naturally, no mention of that bullying investigation or the parade of staff leaving her.

R236 The Dupe, haha. I usually hate all the nicknames but that's funny.

Louise will marry a nice, lowkey aristocratic fellow and have an idyllic life in the country with dogs and horses. The very life the Queen would have loved to have.

As many others have said, if the HUGELY beloved Diana couldn't topple the monarchy, these two are nothing more than a noisy speed bump.

Edward VIIi was also hugely beloved as POW, and his antics didn’t topple the monarchy either. It’s here to stay, MM is an amateur next to the Duke and Duchess of Windsor when it comes to glamour too.

R229 First of all, for anyone to collaborate with James Hewitt on a sleazy tell-all book about Diana, as Anna Pasternak did - just gross. And who tf is "freelance writer" Michelle Ruiz and what does she know about the monarchy? Bah!

The Pasternak piece is a JOKE. Not sure why we're even discussing it seriously. The idea that the monarchy is in any kind of trouble because of the lies and histrionics from the Sussexes is totally laughable at this point.

All UK polls show steady-as-a-rock support for the BRF and monarchy, even within days of the Oprah broadcast. They aren't going anywhere, not for a long time.

James Hewitt as a fuckbuddy makes me throw up in my mouth.

I do not want to contemplate their "pillow talk." Gross. I see a certain resemblance to Meghan in approach to life, no wonder she is such a fan!

If Harry wants to do a reality series, more power to him, but he should give up the Sussex title. He was given that title so he could use it to represent the country, not Netflix.

Truth

How much longer are they going to call her Kate Middleton? She's been the Duchess of Cambridge for 10 years.

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Yes, R255, and why, in an article about her suitability as Queen, does it have to call her "Mum of three"? Apart from the fact that anyone who doesn't already know Kate has produced three children isn't going to be reading the article, what TF does it have to do with her personal suitability as Queen?

Sure, she produced the heir and spare (or in the case of the Cambridge tots, the Spare and the Heir), but that is completely irrelevant to the writer's point that Kate is an excellent diplomat, good at spotting the problem and the opportunity to fix it as well as doing the actual work of smoothing over.

One of the things feminists should be trying to snuff out is the casual sexism and patronisation the press routinely employs when writing about powerful women. Even in lengthy profile pieces on powerful men their children are barely mentioned, except as likely successors (and they are NEVER called "Dad of three"). To call Bill Gates or the Chair of the Ford Motor Company "Dad of three" in a short news piece like this would be considered ridiculous. In fact, I know a fair amount about Bill Gates's background but I've got no idea how many kids he has.

Well said, R257.

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R259, I think the “snitch” part is key.

He’s being unfairly criticized for blowing off his grandmother’s birthday. How do we know he was even welcome to attend? Or that there’s even a celebration? The woman is in mourning and Charles took off for Wales. She may have declined any sort of observation of her birthday during the mourning period.

Or he wasn’t wanted, and he was urged to join his toddler and pregnant wife. That excuse cuts both ways.

I think it's 100% likely that he was specifically excluded from any b'day celebrations.

[quote]with the rift with his father and brother caused by his decision to emigrate and pour his heart out to Oprah

There is not a medium in the world that can beat the Mail at mendacious spin.

Speaking of the Mail, there's a headline there now about Chrissy Teigen praising "kind" Meghan for reaching out after Chrissy's miscarriage. With best reproductive wishes for both ladies, I wonder if this is the start of a beautiful friendship? The energy of those two together would be something else.

I don't think there's a room big enough to hold that amount of narcissistic energy, R264.

r264- weren't they both suitcase "models" on, "Deal or No Deal"?.

Suffice it to say they have a lot in common. They should double date.

R259 nailed it.

The Harkles destroy all they attempt, karma.

What is interesting is that neither the two-hour talk amongst William, Charles, Harry, and Kate (there has not been a single sign of life at Frogmore Cottage since the Sussexes left, no sign of new people moving in, no Eugenie out wheeling the baby, no sign of cars arriving/leaving, no Harry, no nothing), nor the Charles-William upcoming "summit" on the future of the monarchy and who's doing what have the slightest receipts. No real "insider" would have leaked the info, and anyone who did would be identified quickly and sacked.

But if we're reading between the lines, Harry being unable to extend his stay one more day to help support the Queen on her first birthday, and a significant one, less than a week after burying her husband and the first birthday without him in three-quarters of a century, does say something: he doesn't care any longer, and neither does she.

If he had, it would have indicated that perhaps Harry had managed to use the funeral to mend some fences, and joined Kate and Sophie and Anne and the others in supporting the Queen through her birthday week.

But he didn't. And what that says is that he encountered blame, contempt, anger, and ongoing frostiness, and realised it wasn't worth it to stick around, that he not only didn't get to wear his fucking uniform, he didn't get any change out of the RF re anything else, either, including an opportunity to meet with his grandmother in the interests of improving his and Meghan's "position".

They're done. If this funeral and Harry's behaviour put a stamp on anything, it's that the Sussexes can think themselves lucky to be carrying still his ducal title. They are out.

Kate behaved gracefully but that whole "peacemaking" bullshit by the tabloids was just that.

What Kate really did was stick it to Meghan and Harry the way she's been doing since Meghan blew in thinking she was going to take Britain by storm: showing the stupid bitch how the game is really played.

Someone posted this info so we already know.

The Queen, Charles and Wills would not have known about the wreath merching and the stunt Hairbrain pulled on the steps going into the church until after the funeral. I can't imagine any further hospitality was extended after they found out.

I had to go on IMDB to see if that was true. I'll be damned, it is! Unbelievable. Talk about padding your resume.

R261, if Harry doesn't feel welcome then that's his own fault.

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It's a good thing that the world saw Harry's frosty reception from the royal family. Makes it less easy for him to commercially exploit them, although he will insist on trying.

And keep in mind that few AT the funeral knew of his PR stunting on the steps (but for a few male cousins who looked like they wanted to punch him in the face) or the PR about the wreath 10 minutes before the coffin left Windsor for the chapel. Imagine how they all felt when hearing of these things or MeMe's placed story during the service about watching at home.

Keep digging Harkles!

The financial squeeze - what impact will it have on their marriage? Discuss.

Anyone with an account can update IMDb pages. If you go to the title "Prince Philip - A Royal Funeral," then you can see that all the royals (including the Queen, William, and Charles) are credited under self and the TV special was added to their individual pages. I doubt Harry himself created the project title/credit (and added everyone to the program).

It's so funny. Harry hates William but he needs to be seen near him in order to be able to monetise his royal connections.

This is nice

The Queen isn't celebrating her birthday this year so her family members have scattered for now.

[QUOTE] And keep in mind that few AT the funeral knew of his PR stunting on the steps (but for a few male cousins who..

What 'stunting on the steps', you moron? You sound like one of those crazy Larrie fraus, always blathering on about stunts.

Thanx R279 for the heads up about the Queen's 95th b'day commemorative stamps. I'm a collector, but will give these a miss and take a punt that the Old Girl makes it to 100 and absolutely get those commemorative stamps.

Will and Kate visit the Air Cadets today.

When they offed Diana they obviously didn't realize the long-term impact on her son. He was just under 13 when the car crash happened.

He's looking for meaning outside the system and Megs showed him the way out.

William is dull, but he's obviously learned that leading The Firm will give him lots money and power.

R284, William and Philip both lost their mothers at a young age, it is down to Harry's poor character.

It's interesting on Harry's IMDB page that his appearances on Sky News are listed. Are they just stories on him, or if he was interviewed or commenting?

[quote]Harry being unable to extend his stay one more day to help support the Queen on her first birthday

Jesus Christ, if she's starting over I'll never inherit.

Obviously and The Queen told Harry they weren't budging and told him to take a hike. Charles off to Wales the next day. And The Queen stating that she would spend her Birthday with close staff only basically told Harry that she has no interest in hearing him whinge. Good to see them giving him 'tough-love'. However, the vile couple will flail back with more leaks and lies. Of course in the end they are only burying themselves further.

^should be ... Obviously Charles and The Queen told harry

R277 I was just going to post this. Everyone’s IMDB was updated to correspond with appearances at the funeral (if they had an IMDb Page, which most of them do—check out Prince Charles).

And there is no birthday celebration—at all.

Five minutes after touchdown and the leak came out fast and furious. What a deplorable piece of Ginger shit.

This never happened. And Harry never met with the Queen privately and I'm up in the air if he met Charles and William either. This is all desperate spin from the Harkles because they need the royals to stay relevant.

Agreed, R292. Why would the Queen meet privately with Harry--twice--during the week after her husband's death? She had better things to do than listen to his whining.

This story is meant to counter the true story which is obvious for all to see: The BRF is getting on with things, and the Sussexes are not part of it. Harry was given the minimal courtesies during the funeral and then sent back to California.

He wanted out, and now he's out. He'd do well to concentrate on his own business now, like producing content for Netflix.

Why would the Queen meet with Harry? Why would Charles and William, for that matter? There's nothing left to say. The Sussexes have quit the family business and moved 5500 miles away. They've got plenty of their own money and the potential for additional revenue streams via Netflix and Spotify. Further hashing out of old grievances is pointless.

Other than an apology to MeGAIN and titles for their kids, what else to the Harkles want from the BRF?

MONEY, R295.

Oh dear, this seems to have sparked a bit of a backlash. Who could have seen that coming?

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Meghan stans in the article above:

[quote]One person tweeted: "Meghan Markle accused of 'bewildering PR stunt' over wreath at Philip's funeral. To whoever this person is, this ignorant, hateful person who does not like Duchess of Sussex, just proves it doesn't matter what she does, gets attacked, YES attacked."

Yes, every time Meghan does something stupid and self-aggrandizing, the British public ARE going to call her out on it.

[quote]Someone else said: "If ... it had transpired... that Meghan had NOT sent a wreath. Run that scenario, what would you say then?"

Nobody said she couldn't have sent a wreath. What didn't need to happen was that ridiculous statement about the details of the wreath.

[quote]Another added: "Meghan is gracious, handwriting her condolences with a lovely thought-out very personal wreath. The Royal Family members who are not as gracious look and learn.

We don't know that the others didn't write notes and send personalized wreaths. But they were gracious enough not to broadcast the details to the general public because they realized that Saturday was not all about THEM.

[quote]Another social media user tweeted: "This is vintage Meghan. Thoughtful sophisticated and a lesson in how to make a wreath totally representative of the recipient."

Yes, so thoughtful that she released a detailed statement about it while the recipient's funeral was still going on.

Idiots.

Meghan is a narcissist. Helen Keller could see it.

They're really desperate to play up that royal connection, aren't they? Makes you wonder why, given how horrible they thought Harry's family treated them.

10 minutes before the coffin was scheduled to leave for the chapel, to distract from the somber procession to the church, R299. Sociopathic. Literally wanted to interject herself into the day and a family moment.

They see it as their means to make money, R301.

What is the word for this degree of being tone deaf about social norms and how behavior is likely to be perceived?

If she wanted to be part of the day, she should have gotten her ass on a plane. She flew to NYC when 7 months pregnant with Archie, but she couldn't make a trip to the UK for her grandfather-in-law's funeral? Bullshit: She was scared to show her face so let Harry face the music alone.

I wonder what excuse she'll come up with to avoid showing up at the Diana statue unveiling in July?

R254–Don’t trust a Royal writer who refers to Queen Catherine I. Only reigning monarchs are numbered, not their consorts. And the first monarch of a name isn’t referred to as I until there is a II. See, for example Queen Victoria, Queen Anne and King John.

The baby is due around then, R304. It was a gift to the family to be spared her presence, can you imagine?!

Jesus H. 24 hours later and omid scobie is leaking rumours ("it is claimed") about private meetings with the Queen, and Meghan is leaking stories that she and Archie "connected" with the Queen via Zoom.

They are so fucking shameless it knocks the breath out of one. They know.no one is going to contradict the stories.

I wonder if during those connecting moments Meghan mentioned forgiving the royals to Her Majesty?

Good God, they never stop, they never learn, and, apparently, neither does the BRF.

R304, there wasn’t a pandemic at the time. Although I don’t doubt that she didn’t want to go.

They can leak all the stories they like, but the truth will become very clear when there is no interaction between the Sussexes and the BRF after the Diana statue unveiling. Of course, anybody with half a brain who watched the funeral could tell that Harry is out with a capital O.

I suspect Harry was not allowed anywhere near the Queen and why would she speak with Markle? Their words and stories are implausible, the truth was there for anyone with eyes. The BRF will not set themselves up to be further victimized by the Harkles. Fool me twice and all that. Business people will draw the appropriate and correct conclusions.

Who would want to associate with people with such poor judgment, who are litigious, unstable and indiscrete? In business or socially? Few. And with clear signals from the Obamas, etc, in support of the BRF the Harkles have really created issues for themselves.

Harry claimed they Zoomed with Philip but family made it known that they communicated with him by landline.

If a Harkle is saying it, it likely is not true.

Meghan is a worldwide joke of her own doing, R307.

The BRF will be just fine.

Also, and not to be forgotten, they are circus clowns.

Archie is still her great-grandson and she probably wants to keep in touch.

Meghan Markle is so fucking common. God, I wish she'd shut up and live her life.

Just so classic. William and Kate get back to work and the Dupe and Meagain keep leaking about themselves.

On the day of her husband's funeral, unlikely, R314. He is not even 2.

Hey, $u$$exe$, how's the documentary and podcast script writing going? Must be hard to crank that level of production out. Especially when 50% can't spell and 50% can stop talking about herself.

Not on the day of the funeral.

Just my 10 cents, I honestly believe they didn't expect the push back the Oprah interview has caused, particularly in non-US media. Virtually all their claims were either outright lies or truths spun into lies to make them look like victims. They didn't expect that the royals would reacted the way they have. I suspect they believed that the BRF would be so rocked by the "revelations" that they wold openly apologize to them (thereby legitimizing their claims), give Archie an HRH and reincorporate them back into royal life to some degree. The fact that Harry didn't understand what the outcome would be, clearly showcases a disordered personality and someone lacking basic judgement skills. Now, it's becoming clear they are going to be frozen out and that their audience (even in the US) will eventually diminish. Without the active royal connection they become just another celebrity couple in Hollywood fighting to be relevant.

Let's all face it. Old Hare ain't as smart as he looks.

That they thought their conduct over the weekend would produce a differnet or better result is honestly baffling, R320. Merching a funeral wreath DURING the procession? Leaking more stories of dubious truth in almost a manic frenzy?

Why would they tell such stupid lies?

With the Oprah interview, they might have thought they had nothing to lose, so let’s let the chips fall where they may.

But, they didn’t expect people to push back on their claims.

And, I suspect they are now realizing they do have something to lose.

As odious as the Harkles are, I think it’s very possible Meghan got the cold shoulder from the RF. I would have gotten the cold shoulder, too— it’s not a friendly environment.

Kate is apparently ok with that. She’s in it for the long haul and has a support system and a living family. For all her assholery, Meghan is too fragile and dysfunctional to survive an environment like that.

This doesn’t make her sympathetic. Just makes me wonder what the hell she was thinking when she first set out to join the RF..

This never happened.

The Queen NEVER met with Harry.... ^

If Harry has even a basic knowledge of his own family history, he should have realized what the fallout from the move to California and the subsequent Oprah interview would be. The experiences of Great Uncle David and Harry's own mother should have told him. If he didn't realize that he, too, could be frozen out, then he's either deeply stupid or ridiculously arrogant.

There's no fixing matters now. The only thing he can do is work hard on the business ventures in California and hope that he and Meghan can create some kind of workable careers and family life in the US. After Oprah, there is no bridge back to the UK and the BRF.

From the beginning of the Sussex marriage, I never understood why Harry and Meghan couldn't just settle and enjoy luxury and perma-fame in return for very little work. No, they'd never get as much as the Cambridges, but they still would have gotten a whole fucking lot, especially once Charles became King. They are going to spend the rest of their lives busting their butts to maintain half the fame they could have had as senior royals for no effort at all. It's mind-boggling.

[quote]The temporary silence today from Montecito - or "cease fire" must be unnerving for MM - who is constantly recalibrating every second of her life to maintain relevancy and meaning. What kind of "talk" will Charles be having with Dim? An unscripted talk with no MM to control every input or output. How does the BRF 'negotiate" with Harry when Harry can't think or make a move without his wife's approval. As another poster mentioned, people only become more of what they already are. Except Harry is now dealing with a grief-stricken on top of betrayed, on top of deeply hurt BRF.

Quoting myself from previous Thread #3, in light of r320, the Harckles were very successful at their games while living back in London, and to an extent while in Canada. But these would prove to be very poor testing grounds for L.A. The problem with this (short term) goal of MM's, is that like a drowning person, who needs air, MM needs the oxygen from the conflict created with the BRF. Without that constant murmur of conflict in the background, the Harckles have no value, they will be, if not already are experiencing a drastic decline in what's left of their influence.

I think these two, if they have any sense of preservation whatsoever, must be mildly shell-shocked, numb and not know what to attack next; what to stir; what to undermine. The problem has always been lack of strategy, strategic plan. They are tactical, short term, go for the short term hits, which are hugely misleading (i.e, wreath announcement). They are supposedly paying PR people to deal with this.

But the problem is deeper than PR as Harry is too dim to discover for himself. The "core" of the Harckle enterprise is teetering - and Phase 2: Post Prince Philip (and to follow, TQ) represents a critical shift in the dynamics of "power" now at the BRF as they prepare for more changes.

In this context, the Harckles are walking on the razor's edge here not knowing how that balance of power (within the BRF) could shift in a heartbeat. Two heartbeats. The Harckles are also flogging a "dead horse" with the victimization.

Where to from here for the dispirited couple? Judging by Harry's latest utterances, PR tactics haven't changed. Maybe just the level of desperation.

I think the next step is a reality series for Netflix. That's why Netflix dangled the development deal in front of them: What other interest or value to the public do the Sussexes have? The Invictus documentary doesn't sound all that interesting, especially since Harry's involvement with Invictus seems pretty minimal when you look closely at it.

The sharks at Netflix gave them the big splashy deal (which probably only provided a small initial payout) knowing that Harry and Meghan couldn't come up with any good ideas on their own, and out of desperation would agree to the reality show eventually in order to save face and get more of the promised $150 million.

At this point, they may as well do it. It's a trashy, precarious fame totally at odds with the way Harry was raised, but you know Meghan is going to be just fine with it: She'd love to have what the Kardashians have, though I don't see the Sussexes achieving those levels of success. But a popular reality series on Netflix would pay for the place in Montecito and get them other endorsements and influencer gigs, and at this point that's their best and only shot of holding on to what they've got.

Of course they will do a reality show for Netflix and coyly spill Royal Family secrets along the way. They're virtually of no value to anyone otherwise. They both knew that this is where they would end up.

Could the BRF sue for defamation, since they are notorious liars?

I'd say that the BRF should work out a deal with them, where the Sussexes keep their mouths shut in exchange for a generous allowance, but there would be no point. They are totally untrustworthy and would cash the checks while continuing to leak. I wonder how many secrets the Sussexes even know? I mean, Harry didn't even know he was related to the Romanovs.

R328 - "The problem has always been lack of strategy, strategic plan. They are tactical, short term, go for the short term hits, which are hugely misleading (i.e, wreath announcement). They are supposedly paying PR people to deal with this."

Nailed it. This is the crux of the matter, although most everything else in your post is on point, as well.

It's something that's been noted before about Meghan, how poor she is at long-term strategy. Part of Meghan's problem is that she's impatient - like the proverbial shark, she has to keep moving or she dies. She mistakes energy and speed for successful outcome.

Her second problem is a sense of self-belief so overpowering that it blinds her to realities. She doesn't plan for failure or Unintended Consequences (such as pandemics, or the public unexpectedly not believing her lies, or the stupid UK public still liking quiet, demure Kate better), and assumes it will all go the way she wants.

She bailed because she didn't like playing second rank to the Cambridges. She thought she'd take the world by storm when she left. She didn't, and now she comes no rank at all re the Cambridges, but she still wants what they have: the glow of effortless Royalty. A shrewder woman (e.g., Sophie Wessex), would have realised that second rank in a firmament this starry, with its guaranteed income, immense status, comfort, and social deference, isn't such a paltry thing, and a damn site more comfortable than frantically peddling your soul in the shallow, cutthroat world of show biz.

And her third problem is self-control and that one is rooted in her pathological narcissism, which drives her inability to stop making it All About Meghan. Any fool could have told her that leaking those stories during that week of mourning and putting out a press release on her fucking wreath was mental. Any fool could have told her that leaking stories about her connection to the Queen and their little chats before the funeral through Omid Scobie ON THE QUEEN'S BIRTHDAY was mental.

It IS mental. But it's exactly the sort of short-term tactic that points to rather than hides, her real problem: she still wants to be Kate, wants to prove she's as good as Kate, so she leaks stories that say, "See? I can call up the Queen, too! I'm just like Kate, just as inty with HM as Kate is! I'm still royal!" Only NO ONE believes it, it just looks pathetic, and everyone knows, especially after that wordless Future Queen performance Kate gave last Saturday, that Meghan cannot hope to catch up to Kate.

The recent leaks from Scabies and PEOPLE are transparent desperation to make it look like she's still in the royal game, especially after Kate knocked it out of the park with her dignity, poise, elegance, and classy behaviour when Harry forced her to respond to him outside the Chapel.

You could probably have heard Meghan gnashing her teeth and the sight of the Royal Family of Royal Families gathered together in sombre glory in, against all prediction, a moving and riveting scenario watched by the world and from SHE WAS EXCLUDED.

The BRF still have a serious problem. Somehow, the BRF have to find a way to make it clear to the world that the Sussexes are OUT without coming out and saying so by, for example, taking their titles and HRHs for real. The clearer the BRF make it, the sillier Meghan will look trying to pretend she's still somehow inside that circle.

The BRF have to do something about that, and soon.

I think they've done everything they can do without taking the titles. They took all the patronages and cut them off financially, and I doubt there will be any invitations to anything after the Diana statue unveiling except for the funeral of the Queen and Charles' coronation and later funeral. I'm not sure I'd even count on an invite to William's coronation.

HM could and should yank the titles and HRH status, but she won't do that because of fucking Andrew. Otherwise, I think the Sussexes would have lost them in March 2020 when they first left. Andrew's disgrace is the only piece of luck they've had.

Instead, the Royals will continue to ignore them. Refusing to engage in open conflict takes all the wind out of the Sussexes' sails. In that sense, Kate's small olive branch at the funeral was a master stroke. Meghan can't whine that her husband was treated cruelly on the day of his beloved grandfather's funeral when it's clear to the whole world that he wasn't.

R328, I am perplexed at how the "burn it all down" tactics and threats dovetails with their plan to make $ off of/monteize the relationship with the BRF. There are some who genuinely seem to belive the Harkles will topple the monarchy. How would they survive then? The Cambridges and Walses would be just dandy, either way.

What is amazing to me is that the Sussex duo completely misunderstand what the real attraction of members of the RF is.

Yes, the Queen is the most famous person in the world. But that didn't happen because of relentless PR and countless news releases. Other members of the RF are applauded at public event not just because of their position in the RF but because those events are spread out and scattered over time. So that, if visiting London and happening to be sightseeing at Buckingham Palace at the moment the Queen passes in or out of the gates, most people would be excited to tell friends "I saw the Queen!".

Even people who are very famous themselves, remember clearly the time that they met the Queen and often laugh at themselves as they remember how nervous they were and how the encounter went. Youtube is full of videos of celebs telling their tale (check out Jackie Chan's hilarious story).

It's the uniqueness of their appearances. When any of the Senior Royals appear at a public occasion, there is a real excitement from most of the audience. Part of the attraction, in my opinion, is that the really special appearances do not happen that often. And when they do, the Royals treat the occasion in a special way. Dress in beautiful, fitted clothes. Beautiful, historic jewelry.

Harry probably never thought much about how that all worked. He grew up with it and saw it from the inside out.

MM saw it from her Hollywood point of view as a cheap red carpet event. She totally missed and is missing the difference.

I remember reading when Harry & MM left the RF, that Hollywood people could not understand why someone would leave that kind of fame for the tinseled lights of L.A.

And her ongoing bombardment of "stories" just keeps chugging along. Their PR must be costing a fortune.

Pretty stupid. Because if they had quietly decided to leave the RF and moved to North America and lived privately for some months, demand for their appearances would have been huge.

But they, themselves, have cheapened their own wares.

Foolish, foolish, foolish.

R329, one must wonder what the "team" that came over with Harry and who were said to be based at Frogmore were there for. Were they shooting footage? Security makes no sense as they would be quarrantined and constrained in the UK and the Met Police met the plane with security (which Harry sent away, supposedly). I would not put it past him to bring peoiple in to film without authorization, Meg has done that herself in Charles' home and Amner Hall.

Meghan's disastrous tactics do explain why she never got any further in Hollywood. The only talent she's ever reliably demonstrated is the ability to latch on to a more successful man and use him for all he's worth.

[quote]A shrewder woman (e.g., Sophie Wessex), would have realised that second rank in a firmament this starry, with its guaranteed income, immense status, comfort, and social deference, isn't such a paltry thing, and a damn site more comfortable than frantically peddling your soul in the shallow, cutthroat world of show biz.

THIS. Exactly this. Also, over time, had Meghan really carved out her own place by championing the causes of people of color in the UK and Commonwealth, she'd have been in a unique position that Kate never could have occupied. Add in Harry's own history of charitable work in Africa, and you really do have something special. Charles as King would have been grateful for the Sussexes' work in that arena, as helping to maintain the Commonwealth is so important to the continued status of the BRF. Also, promoting multicultural charities and events in the UK would have helped insulate the BRF from charges of being racist and stuck in the past.

Had Meghan pulled that off (and Meghan would have been the driving force, no doubt about it), she'd have had all the country houses, city mansions, family orders, and historic jewels she could manage, showered on her by her grateful father-in-law. By the time William and Kate became King and Queen, they'd have had to deal with the Sussexes as a force to be reckoned with whether they liked it or not. Meghan wouldn't have been Queen, but she would have been quite something.

The fact that she couldn't see that is both laughable and pitiable.

The fact that all they have in the pipeline is the Invictus Games documentary is telling. A worthy project but kind of low hanging fruit and probably not of interest to wide audience.

It is astonishing to watch so much tossed aside for so little, and they keep digging the hole deeper.

Nope, but a wide audience would watch the Harry and Meghan Show. Hell, I'd watch it, as you know Meghan's attempts to play the regal duchess would be constantly frustrated by her hustling and camera-hogging instincts. She'd be a modern-day Valerie Cherish, and I am SO here for that.

R335 Perfectly said! Also, anyone else annoyed by the frequent entertainment shows desperately trying to keep the Harkels relevant? I think every other day, I hear the promo for Access Hollywood “Megan Markle for president? Tune in...” guess Sunshine is trying all the angles.

Excellent post, R337, and I think the BRF was hoping that is how it would go, she was given a LOT of resources, unprecedented, really, to make a success of it. The problem was and continues to be Meghan and her mental illness and personality disorder, Harry, same.

[quote]Good God, they never stop, they never learn, and, apparently, neither does the BRF.

The Royal Family knows. And they are acting, by giving those two the rope with which to hang themselves. They look cheap. They are cheap. Kate and William back to work today, those two back to leaking. The Duke and Duchess of Windsor became irrelevant to the monarchy because they were ignored. And while their private lives were messy, publicly they were a reasonably dignified couple outwardly, almost wholly refusing to cast the first stone (almost.). These two are cheap. They look cheap. They are cheap. They think cheap. She is cheap - common. He's stupid. They are a one trick pony and the trick gets old, fast.

R337 is right... she was too clueless, too needing to see all the opportunity the lay before her. But she's no Sophie Wessex. Sophie Wessex is there to serve more than to benefit. She gets the job. She gets, as someone else pointed out too, the strength is in being present not in speaking up. Markle was a lousy pick for a wife but a dumb guy who probably wouldn't listen. It's all so tiresome. This wreath stunt is so disrespectful and cheap.

I bet money: if she goes to the Diana thing she will be booed. But I bet she won't. If they're still married, I bet she'll blow off the Queen's funeral. Where she and Wallis Simpson part company is Simpson understood dignity in public.

I don't think BRF is going to pay the diabolical duo to be quiet.

Just like Pa Markle and Samantha weren't paid to keep quiet no matter how much noise they made.

Shouldn't these two have known that from the strategy used on Pa/Sam?

Dignity in public, you say, R343? Shame she never grilled with Philip, eh?

Meghan has really cut off future options with her crazy behavior, the wealthy value discretion. She has a move on pattern, like a shark, but she is notorious now. And she is older will have 2 kids and does not have a good figure or the ability to dress to flatter it.

From another board...

You have to be a pretty shitty person to think, "Grandad is dead, now is our chance to get what we want!"

[quote]Also, anyone else annoyed by the frequent entertainment shows desperately trying to keep the Harkels relevant?

In Canada, the entertainment show E-talk is a straight up Markle propaganda machine.

R323 Easy to expose! Not worthy of them!

R213 Meghan is a vile unnatural creature.

I think they’ll just move on from the interview and the funeral now, and focus on the excitement around the new baby.

R345 Maybe that was the “bond” with old Phil the Grill, nyuk nyuk.

The Invictus Doc already has an IMDB page...and nothing's even been done yet. I work in film and the TACKIEST thing is people who create an IMDb page for every half-cooked project they have. I know "producers" who have 15+ projects in "pre-production"

Oof, tough season

2020 and 2021 haven't been great for anybody, but the Queen's had a very shitty run of things.

R354 Poor Queenie :(. One of the depressing things about living so long is that by the end of it, very few people who shared your life are there with you at the end of it.

Someone further up mentioned that one of the first rules of mingling with the ultra-wealthy and famous is secrecy. At least publicly, keeping your mouth shut is a golden rule in those circles. Honestly, this is one reason why I think the Obamas have been keeping a distance from H&M because they see them for what they are. If they are willing to throw their own families under the bus, what would they do to other people? Pre-COVID stories kept leaking about how close Michelle & Meghan had become, how Michelle had been advising Meghan. Michelle kind of shot that down saying that she had only met Meghan very briefly and they had only talked once or twice. Meghan claims they had lunch together, but Michelle indicated they didn't. Allegedly, Michelle's only words of advice were to "keep your head down and give yourself time to learn the ropes." And after the Oprah interview, Michelle didn't praise H&M nor did she speak ill of the royals (I suspect the Obamas are more friendly with the Queen & William/Catherine than H&M). She just hoped the family could come back together and find forgiveness and then kind of slapped their wrists saying that "public service is never about you." Also, Bill Gates' former charity operator left H&M after 11 months, so I'm guessing the Hollywood elite are seeing the truth and it's why H&M seem to be on a renewed push to have some kind of active connection with the royals.

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[Quote]Bill Gates' former charity operator left H&M after 11 months,

This SHOULD mean everything in the Harkle universe, but stupidly, it doesn't. The fact that it occurred before their remarkable and numerous funeral screwups should say it all.

But, no. Somewhere in Montecito:

1) Meghan's still got the cat that swallowed the canary smile going because it's how she reacts naturally, unbeknownst how others perceive her as a manipulator.

2) Oprah's choking on all the chicken shit the Duchess of Sussex flailed up to sully her. As a "journalist," Oprah let loose some very damnable, if not outright slander on her lucrative, millions of dollars SOLD TV program on behalf of a subject with an extensive track record as a proven liar.

Megs raised vicious callousness to a whole new level with "the Family is using Philip's illness to muzzle me". What kind of rapproachement is possible with such a insensitive cunt? Or with Ginger, who gleefully cheers on her deplorable cruelty, believing that his father and brother must pay and pay mightily for his empty soul.

Megs isn't the least bit interested in fronting charities or promoting anything but herself. She wants adulation and adoration, to be the sole focus, and of course the big bucks she believes goes with it all. The narcissist in her ignores the fact that she has absolutely nothing of interest to offer. And the more her horrid personality is exposed to public scrutiny, the more repulsive and worthless she becomes.

What I don't get is the Queen and Prince Charles. What's the point of pandering, especially after the above-mentioned callous declaration. Yes, the PR vampires continue to threaten "revelations", but at this point, and for their own dignity and self-worth, why not just let it proceed, let them make their "revelations" and be damned, as it were. The public is already well aware of their highly dishonest claims and will judge any and all future claims accordingly.

Personally, if I were the Queen, I would have requested a private meeting with Ginger just so I could smack that ginger beard off him.

The Sussexes have finished themselves in the golden circles of California in just a year, which is even less time than it took to alienate themselves from the golden circles in Britain. Where will they be in a year? One wonders.

I think Palace PR has worked their press connections very well: A lot of people are seeing Meghan and Harry as disloyal and deceitful, and that will not only alienate them from power circles in the US, it will also make any future revelations they make in the press highly suspect. Refusing to confront them directly and letting the poison drip out through indirect channels is a very effective way of dealing with them. There will always be gullible people who fall for Meghan's faux-woke bullshit, but it's become clearer and clearer to anyone paying attention that she and Harry are not to be trusted.

Meghan is so impatient she must be relatively easy to strategize against. She can't play the long game, and that's always necessary when dealing with the BRF, which measures its initiatives in decades and centuries. It's one reason Kate is so successful: The nasty nickname Waity Kaity underscores her greatest strength. When you're dealing with the Royals, you'd better be willing to bide your time and wait. Kate's other big asset is her discretion. When she and William briefly broke up, she turned down million-pound offers from the press.

Anne had Meghan pegged right: She is temperamentally unsuited to Royal life, as she has no patience or discretion, two traits the BRF prizes above all.

[Quote]What I don't get is the Queen and Prince Charles. What's the point of pandering, especially after the above-mentioned callous declaration

There's a certain tactic called "Giving them enough rope." All indications suggest it will come off wildly here.

The quieter the BRF remains, the more vicious and hysterical the Sussexes look. Thank God nobody listened to Charles when he wanted to issue a point-by-point rebuttal.

I maintain that the BRF is shady af, every last one of them, and those associated with them, trading off their inherited wealth, mystique and royal connections. That goes for all the Yorks, the Phillips children, Sophie Wessex, the Middletons, the Waleses, and even the queen and Prince Philip. TQ was part of the Panama Papers scandal, money laundering, and PP had numerous dalliances and mistresses, right up to the very end. I don't hold any of this against them, by the way. They're human.

Harry feels that he has an inalienable right to partake in the collective wealth and prestige, due to his 'royal blood' and his grievance against them for their perceived treatment of his mother, and he is determined not to be disenfranchised. Megan is even more determined, because she doesn't understand how royalty works, the BRF snubbed and humiliated her, and she is estranged from her own father.

But she is basically walking them both off a cliff with her misguided tactics.

[quote]There's a certain tactic called "Giving them enough rope."

One would think that after that "using Philip's illness to muzzle me" crack, both of them would be swinging wildly in a hurricane-force wind. And yet support and promotion continue, despite glaring and very public evidence that neither of them have a gram of credibility.

[Quote]I don't hold any of this against them, by the way. They're human.

Really? You can fool Mother Nature, but you can't fool Datalounge.

The moment of clarity came when I knew Meghan was truly insane was when I realized the Oprah interview was to garner a sincere national apology from the BRF in addition to the outright and overt extortion by the hands of Gayle King. The minute that interview from Oprah was over, Oprah was on a private jet to Hawaii and we haven't heard word from her with the exception of the day after fall out.

The BRF has given the Sussexes so much leeway, Meghan could have probably still marched and did her Netflix deals. All she had to do was keep her mouth shut about the family. Unfortunately her biggest asset is now fading away. Prince Philip's funeral would have been the perfect moment for Meghan to resurface after a quiet year in CA. For someone who has both intellectual intelligence and is clearly street smart, I just don't get how she can be so stupid. Whoever said upthread that some celebrities might have gossiped about why she would leave all the star power of a senior royal to get back on the Hollywood treadmill is beyond me.

The PR today about how she and Archie spoke with the Queen during the funeral is her now desperation to be seen part of the Queen's circle. It was stated that all the Queen wanted to talk about this week was horses and corgis. I doubt she was fielding calls from Meghan.

Anything Meghan had to say about how awful the family was completely decimated by the haunting image of the tiny, 95 year old Queen, sitting stoically, completely on her own, watching her husband of 70+ years being lowered into the ground. Where is Serena, Amal, Oprah, Ellen now? The new alliance is Meghan and Chrissy Tegan today. That seems about right. Meghan is toast.

Poor Harry. He's now found "freedom" after being "trapped" in the lap of luxury and all things regal---and he doesn't like it.

Oh, he loves Casa Montecito, but he misses being coddled by his family and adored by the British masses. Now he's snubbed and disliked---all brought on himself by himself and his chosen spouse.

So at the funeral he probably figured "In for a penny, in for a pound" when he moved out of line (forcing his cousin also to), glared over his mask at his Aunt Anne, strode to catch up to his brother, tried to wangle an invite to his grandmother's (non-existent) birthday celebration.

HM had already granted Prince Harry a huge favor: Because he couldn't wear his military uniform, no-one could. That's my opinion, anyway. One might argue that the men's attire was always going to be what it was, but I believe HM and the planners didn't want Harry to "spoil the effect" by sticking out like the proverbial sore thumb. Of course, permission could have been given for Harry to put on his dress uniform, but that idea was a non-starter.

[quote] Don’t trust a Royal writer who refers to Queen Catherine I. Only reigning monarchs are numbered, not their consorts. And the first monarch of a name isn’t referred to as I until there is a II. See, for example Queen Victoria, Queen Anne and King John.

Not to mention that no less than three of Henry VIII's wives were called Catherine, and that's just one king. If consorts WERE numbered she'd probably be Catherine XVI or something.

I love that somewhere in the DM yesterday, Wills was going on about some football (sorry, don't follow TV sports much) issue over in London (impacting Europe, etc etc). So refreshing. A topic most of us can relate to, a break from listening about Covid and of course, Dim's rants on SM. It was great seeing Harry quoted all over the DM yesterday (TQ saws up TWICE! MAYBE MORE!, Queen spoke with ARCHIE! etc) while William is behaving like a normal person, with normal interests, normal sentiments, normal support for his UK teams, etc.

Wonderful juxtaposition in SM yesterday of Wills (football) and Harry (whining)

^^^^ The Queen saw us TWICE! MAYBE MORE!, Queen spoke with ARCHIE! etc)

Henry V and Charles II's wives were both Catherines, so Kate would be Cath VI. Thanks to Henry VIII, it's the commonest consort name (there are 4 Annes (again thanks to Henry), 3 Matildas, 3 Eleanors and 3 Isabellas (just consorts, not including ruling queens).

R195, I'm sure Charles' widowed mother gave her explicit permission, and his son in place has returned with wife to his home and three children.

R373, Queen Consorts take no number.

R59, You're quite the Nostradamus.

To give you a sense of how much she lies, she interviewed Michelle O by email for the Vogue piece. She then purportedly emailed while having lunch and claimed she "interviewed her over chicken tacos" implying the lunch that never happened.

It is clear that Meghan is seriously mentally ill as well as personality disordred. And issuing a press release on the wreath 10 minutes before the coffin was due to leave Windsor for the procession was sociopathic. As was the cry she was being muzzled by Philip's illness.

People who press for advantage when someone is dying are not people others will want to socialize or do business with. No one who does any due dilligence on them, using their own PR! will consider it. They are bottom feeders who aspire to be "A list." The extraordinary job the Palace PR did with Harry's image is impressive, given that he is really much like his wife. The palace to merching an electronic bike and a track suit? He is batshit too, these are not decisions sane people would make, yet they keep on digging, with last weekend being a prime example.

Any word on the press appeal?

R374 - He is also just a two-hour drive away, as opposed to 5,000 miles away, may be broken with grief himself, knows that William, Kate, Sophie, and Edward and their children are nearby and looking after the Queen, and, lastly - the Queen may prefer some time to herself after having to deal with funeral plans, get out and walk with her new dogs, visit her horses, and not be pestered with too much solicitous cosseting. She's not the type, so far as I can tell.

Charles and Anne looked the most wracked with grief on the day, apart from the Queen. It might not have done his mother much good to have Charles also weeping on her shoulder.

Everyone deals with grief differently.

What is up with a middle aged man wearing beaded bracelets with a suit like a 7 year old girl in the photo above?

Can you imagine the life advice they will impart to their children? Frighteningly, the kids are/will be extremely socially isolated as well and there is frequent change in caregivers. Quite sad.

Omid Scobie can actually post this with a straight face. He's as nuts as the Harkles.

R377 - That statement was the clearest instance of Meghan's inability to see beyond the end of her nose. Six weeks later, she was back-pedalling, stating that "the timing of the interview was unfortunate but not something [they] had control over" (which is a lie - they scheduled it for early March to do an end-run around whatever the Queen was doing in anticipation of the end of the "review period" on 31 March). Then she leaked that they would have cancelled it if Philip had died then. Then it was that despite the horror she and Harry wrought in Philip's last weeks, how she and Philip had a "special bond" and "she adored him". Then came the offensive she is "willing to forgive the royals" [sic] after vomiting all over the last few weeks of his life and his wife's time with him. Then it was the fucking wreath. Then it was trumpeting to the world her chatty intimacy with the Queen.

If you put together a list of Meghan's and Harry's insulting, offensive, ruthless leaks about their relationships with Harry's family, you might just have a global RT laid out.

And the last few leaks really do smell of desperation to prove to the world that the Sussexes still matter to the Windsors.

To a certain extent, this is the Queen's fault. That phrase "Harry and Meghan and Archie remain much loved members of my family" was used three times, each time less persuasively. So, to an extent, Meghan has that to support her leaks.

The Queen should have retired that phrase after its first use. She gave the Sussexes the ability to say anything they liked publicly about their continuing membership in a family that clearly despises them both and hates Meghan's guts.

I think taking the high road has served the Queen quite well. The Sussexes have shown the world who and what they are.

Scobie is mentally ill, you can deduce that by looking at his face and the extensive and bizzare plastic surgery. They are quite a trio. None with all oars in the water and spinning out as sesperation sinks in.

R380 - It's not so mental as you think. Scabies is a bottom-feeder who has made a devil's bargain with Meghan and Harry: he carries their water, no matter how slimy, and he gets a career as a royal journalist with an outlet like Harper's.

Andrew Morton got rich off his book about Diana. He admitted later that it put his kids through good schools. What the outcome was for Diana or her relationship with the Windsors was not his lookout, and, in truth, why would it have been?

Scabies is nothing more than Meghan's errand boy, and everyone knows it.

This post is on orders from from the Sussex's as yet another attempt to recast yet another badly fumbled attempt at the "We're still Windsor Royals!" with a Happy Families facade that is mind-bogglingly disproven by visual evidence.

Never mind that it was Kate who came off splendidly, that several members of the family wouldn't even look at Harry and a couple glared at him, that he inserted his childish ego into his grandmother's already heavy woes that week with his uniform bullshit, a badly judged action that put Harry not alongside the dignity and grief shown by the rest of the family, but instead aligned him with the family outcast: Prince Andrew.

Omid Scobie can do anything with a straight face because it's in his interest to keep his little cock tied to Meghan's finger. That's what his career is based on. When that no longer works for him - that is, when the Sussexes finally fizzle out in three or four years and are neither global superstars nor bona fide royals, he'll bail.

Because Omid, Meghan, and Harry are birds of a feather.

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R383, how do you see the next 3-4 years playing out? And might it really take that long?

The stunting on the church steps should get broader play, but the merched funeral wreath was widely covered, at MeMe's instigation. People draw their own conclusions, quite accurately it seems.

Harry did not morph from some well adjusted family oriented guy with sound judgment to this. He has always been a burden and concern for the family. What future could he have? He will never be trusted in any social or family circle for the rest of his life and when he perceives it in his dim way it will stoke his childish anger and narcissism.

Harry was the only family member at the funeral who did not look like he was grieving. On the steps when he stunted to get in the photo frame with William and when he imposed himself on Catherine afterward he looked agitated and a bit smug.

Philip was hospitalized the very next day after the family was told of the Oprah interview. And they they kept up "pressure tactics" and threats until his death. Harry is lucky his family even allowed him to attend and have the opportunity to build his brand as he saw it. It is clear why he did not go to see Philip as he was dying. Philip may have made it to 100 but for the deliberate and psychopathic behavior of Meghan and Harry.

I could tell the Sussexes how their story ends.

Capote cultivated those relationships and provided a listening ear and entertainment, the Suckses seem to think the world should fall at their feet and treat every utterance as pearls of wisdom. What Capote did was despicable and he was shunned, same will be true of the hapless Harkes, the Obamas have already indicated as much, and that was BEFORE the merched funeral wreath.

Wouldn't William Shakespeare have written a wonderful play about this whole thing?

Finally got around to reading the Vanity Fair article. The by line may as well have been Meghan Markle. What a pile of shit.

One of Harry's many problems is that as he grew up and BP's PR team rescued him from disaster after disaster, he actually believed the PR himself, totally oblivious to reality. That is serious mental illness.

I’d like to know more about the funeral wreath with the personal handwritten note because the only photos I’ve seen are all taken from the same angle in which no note is seen. The other wreaths have visible notes. So, was the note on the far side of the wreath and just not visible from that angle? Was it accidentally or deliberately removed from the wreath? Did Harry forget to include it? < my favorite.

I went to Oprah’s Twitter and she seems to have moved on. (Comments are blocked). Every tweet since the Special is about a different topic. There aren’t any more references to PH and MM.

Also for the first time I listened to the enhanced audio of the receiving line at the Lion King premiere. I thought other posters were exaggerating the awkwardness but no, it really was that cringe-worthy. Iger (sp?) had that “trapped but making the best of it” look, the wife had a frozen grin. Harry just comes off as a dimwit and tone deaf, completely oblivious because hey, he’s a prince and he’s used to everyone falling over with delight every time he speaks. “My wife does voice-overs, you know”.... I assume Iger had already formed an opinion about MM’s talent as an actress and was not enthusiastic about her potential.

R388 Whoa. Indeed.

Bitchiness aside, they both seem to be quite delusional, is that treatable? Narcisism is more of a personality disorder or character defect, that is unlikely to change.

In Charles wanting to issue a line by line rebuttal and in Diana's DISASTEROUS Panorama interview, you can see that Harry is the WORST of both parents with the victim complex, whinging and drama.

The Harkles seem dangerous - who throws hot tea at someone? Esp in a home in which they are a guest and in which there are many eyes and ears?

According to someone who read FF, the whole 1/2 in 1/2 out was hashed out around a kitchen table in Canada. The woman who wrote the VF piece and who wrote a hit piece on Catherine in Tattler is part of their cirlce, tied to the Mulroneys.

It is clear now why Charles wanted a written plan and aides wanted them to slow down and develop a workable plan because it is clear this is not going to work out well for the Harkles. And the literal fortune spent on PR might be better conserved for living expenses.

I read a rumor that FC was never rennovated and that Meg pocketed the money. There are so many conflicting stories. Doria does seem to be wealthy now, and to own a business which she is not properly licensed to run. Everythying is shady.

R393, did you see this?

Disney Exec Says Meghan Markle “Needs Disney More Than Disney Needs Meghan.”

Even Jay Z and Beyonce seemed a bit shocked by the Harkles on the receiving line. And of course, Harry had chosen to attend The Lion King rather than an important military patronage event commemorating dead soldiers. A patronage Philip had passed on after decades. Word is that the elephant charity did not see a penny of that Disney money.

“Meghan needs Disney more than Disney needs Meghan. She’s a controversial figure,” a Senior Disney Executive told the Daily Mail. “There have been reports of a deal but that’s not true beyond the voiceover work.”

Can you imagine what people are saying in 2021?

WHO will have her after Harry?

New from Lady C. A suggestion on LA is to watch at 1.25 speed, lol. I find her delightful and her dog is very cute. Has anyone been to a wedding at her castle?

I watch Lady C at 1.5 speed. She still sounds the same and you can easily hear every tidbit she drops.

Her recent video (a few videos ago) talking about Prince Philip's family was extremely interesting.

I think Oprah should do a special with Thomas Markle and another with Samantha.

Blockbuster ratings on those.

But I doubt she would treat them with the same kid gloves she used on Sparkle and Dim.

At this point, I think a Dr. Phil interview with the Fuckles wouldn't be out of place.

Perhaps that will follow the reality show we all know is coming, R401.

Question is, were the "team" that flew over with Haz and who quarrantined at FC there to film for Netflix?

Netflix is not doing all that well financially, they are not going to shower $ on the Harkles like the bank of Dad.

Why would Netflix possibly send a crew with Harry? The only footage they'd be able to get is him walking around whatever royal residence he squatted in and talking about his feelings.

They could have been there to get B-roll. While the reality show will be set primarily in California, some footage of Harry on the grounds of Windsor would add interesting color and contrast. This and the statue unveiling may be the only time they'll get a chance to get footage of Harry in Royal territory, as invitations to Royal events will be few and far between for him after July.

R404 do you really think Harry will be allowed to bring a camera crew to the unveiling?? They'll have to get it from the news networks

Maybe not of the unveiling, but footage of him flying there for the ceremony, staying at Frogmore again, discussing his feelings about his mother--sure.

Harry trying to compete with William on Earth Day.

If we've figured out a Netflix reality show is inevitable, the Palace certainly has. Another good reason for keeping Harry away from the family as much as possible. I could actually see him wearing a tiny hidden camera or at least a microphone and then using the footage/recording in the documentary. He seriously does not give a fuck anymore.

I don’t understand how he can get away with bringing along a filming crew when the house is not even his and the lands belong to the queen.

If I were Liz I would have denied entry onto the property.

Who knows where he/they were, R409. There were 2 definite opposing stories being leaked, he was at Nottingham Cottage at Kensington or at Frogmore Cottage at Windsor.

When he was walking up the hill with William after the service there was kind of a weird waving gesture that Harry did. The public did not have access to Windsor, there was some speculation that the gesture was aimed at the "team" that he travelled with. They were passed off as "security" per their narrative, but that makes little sense since they would have to be quarrantined, could not carry weapons in UK, the Met Police met the plane with security too, etc. Cannot be ruled out that they might be there to film instead.

We'll see, but the odds of Harry sneaking in a secret film crew...slim.

R393, I think the DailyMail had a photo with a different angle. The note was in the *center* of the wreath.

R368, Meghan is smart and cunning, but she’s impatient.

And like an alcoholic or sexual deviant, she can’t help herself. She is driven by impulses she can’t control. Like Veruca Salt, she wants it NOW.

MM is not impulsive by design. Her inclination is to be in **control** - incredible, suffocating, intolerable control (as Harry will one day document for us much to his chagrin) - of everything and everyone that she encounters in life that has some remote link or impact on her work/livelihood.

Where it gets out of control for her is when she is not shown deferential treatment (by whoever) or cannot control the outcome (i.e, 'conning' Kate to give her a lift to the shops in London, ie., berating Toronto interviewer on red carpet, etc) of a particular project (scheme) of hers.

r390 - This whole saga from Princess Diana moving forward is all Shakespearean. Since even before Princess Diana but anyway. What is so Shakespearean (apart from the continual intrigue, knives-in-the-back retribution, etc) is that Harry is all William has left. And vice versa.

Once TQ, Charles, Anne, are all raptured, William will have his pals, cousins - but no Harry. But at least Wills has the comfort of a stable family base (Middletons) and a career (King in waiting) and the comfort of a long, and rich history of tradition which he is upholding every day giving meaning and purpose to his life and to the interactions he has with people. The worry will always be Harry. When the roof caves in metaphorically, will MM be there for Harry? Who can Harry really count on? That doesn't want a piece of his skin?

William.

Yeah, it's Shakespearean, all right.

Harry has shown the world who he has been all along. He was NEVER someone William could or would want to count on.

Harry values lifelong friends so little he did not invite them to his evening wedding reception, stuffing it instead with strangers. Like any wealthy people with common sense, those evening guests will shun Harry and his wife, in both business and in socializing after the events of the past few months.

When you do not value other people, relationships, trust, they will wisely give you a wide berth unless they hope to exploit you.

I think Meghan is a high-stakes gambler, R413. She took her plain face and funny body and tweaked it and shopped it till she ended up on the balcony of Buckingham Palace, feet away from the most famous person on earth. At the moment, she's going through one of those messy phases where the gambler may even know he's losing, but he's in so deep that he can't stop himself.

R410 his friend Tom Bradby was there covering it for, I think, ITV.

I really don't think Charles OR William ever felt or now feel trapped.

Ah, perhaps that was it, R417. It did appear that Harry was acknowledging someone.

'They can leak all the stories they like, but the truth will become very clear when there is no interaction between the Sussexes and the BRF after the Diana statue unveiling.'

You said there would be no interaction at the funeral. You were wrong.

Depressing that you guys have let the insane Larrie/Welp Troll take over this thread with her screams of MEMEMEME and MERCHING THE WREATH and STUNTING ON THE STEPS. This monomaniac is unemployed and will happily spend all day on Datalounge obessing over Meghan, just as she once did over Harry Styles and Louis Tomlinson.

Oh god I HOPE they all go to the Diana statue unveiling. The drama will be loads of fun to watch.

I genuinely don't see her going to Britain anytime soon.

"iI really don't think Charles OR William ever felt or now feel trapped.'

They clearly feel horribly trapped. Who else has to work into their 90s? William's life is just going to get more and more difficult.

I can't see it with a newborn, R421. The actual unvieling is said to be private but you know Haz will stunt near any camera and maybe bring some along too.

You AND William's dentist, R421. Did you see his jaw in the procession? Looked like he was ready to crack a tooth.

'he actual unvieling is said to be private but you know Haz will stunt near any camera and maybe bring some along too.'

The main one stunting at that funeral was Kate gazing out of the car window, merching that pearl necklace. Had Meghan done that you whores would have been having capslock meltdowns.

The Harkles are a ridiculous joke. Insulting strangers on an anonymous gossip board isn't going to change that.

If Harry comes for the unveiling he should bring Archie with him, to meet his family, both on his grandmother's and grandfather's side.

R428 That would melt the ice, wouldn't it? Hmmm....

But..but..the Queen could use some obscure, never-used basically forgotten "law" to steal Archie! The notoriously conflict-averse Queen would see no problem causing an international incident.

[quote]But..but..the Queen could use some obscure, never-used basically forgotten "law" to steal Archie!

No, HM's power to assume guardianship of minors in line for the throne only extends to the sixth in line, which is Harry. His children are too low down the line to be important enough.

Meghan will never let Harry take Archie to the UK without her.

And how, R426, would Kate be “merching” a unique piece of jewelry that belongs to the queen?

The Queen loaned it to her to wear as a sign of her favor, clearly, R433, but the Sunshine Sucks troll can never agree. Catherine has also been loaned the bracelet that Philip gave Elizabeth for their wedding, another sign of great favor. And after her kindness to Charles and peacemaking for the brothers after the service (those great optics!) I am sure she was even more prized within the family. She adds, she is not like a disruptive spiteful child.

More lovely PR for Catherine, who got on with the work after the funeral.

Sunshine Sucks. Lol. Love this.

Perhaps she does not listen to Sunshine Sucks any more than the palace aides. Or they could just suck at their jobs. They have no standards, they repped Weinstein after all.

Bringing over from another board, this is quite astute.

I laugh every time I read the stans toxic comments online under some charity, RF or business account. They being the nasty and they bring it HARD.

How are these comments are perceived in the overall world by corporations, charities, celebrities, entertainment companies, etc? I tell you how. They are perceived as dangerous & toxic to brands. NO business wants the comments under their posts turned into a cesspool of thin skinned M2 stans kicking off.

These stans are making M2 unemployable by anyone except those that don’t mind controversy & polarization. Does anyone think that Disney was okay with M2 stans calling K anorexic in the comments under a post about “Elephants”? That couldn’t be more off brand for them. And comments like that could easily blow up into a very damaging hashtag blowing back on Disney.

So I laugh. She created a small, but toxic, online army to attack viciously. And when they spew on mainline accounts including primary schools, charities, Disney, Wimbledon, RF & business accounts her brand gets that more radioactive.

[quote]Catherine has also been loaned the bracelet that Philip gave Elizabeth for their wedding, another sign of great favor.

Not quite. It was reported that the Queen gave it to Catherine outright, as a personal gift. Surprising since it was supposed to be HM's most beloved piece of her personal jewelry. Philip's mother gave a tiara to Philip and so he could use the jewels from it to have the bracelet made. It was the only way he could afford to give HM an appropriately grand wedding gift. Perhaps giving it to Catherine as a gift before HM died avoided inheritance taxes, which are quite steep in the UK, or some other financial reason.

That is even a nicer story, R437, it obviously has tremendous sentimental value. Thank you for posting.

Yes, the taxes in the UK are quite steep. I read that Margaret's children had to sell quite a lot to pay them.

Catherine just lives her life and has lots of positive PR. Others turn to the dark side, yet still seem to fail. Weinstein and now the Harkles have quite poor reputations. Sunshine Sucks sure made bank though.

That "support" the Harkles appear to have online has some interesting sources.

I have a new granny now!

Lovely "folks" just like our dear Medusa.

And of course they regularly wish harm upon the Cambridge family.

Few are likely actual unpaid humans, those that are should be sectioned.

You're welcome, r438. One of the things Margaret's children had to sell off was her grandest and most famous tiara, the one in the bathtub photo.

That is a shame, R443, I remember that photo. Good on the Queen or her advisors taking care that such a cherished item would remain in the family. How fortunate they are that Catherine is such "safe hands."

Shame how there is no valuing of family by either Harkle, just valuing of the cash they hand over. Just trash human beings.

Blackmailing family, in the media, while Philip was on his deathbed! They deserve EVERY BIT of karma coming their way.

God help those kids.

MM and Archie!

A section of of the wedding bracelet in closeup. The stones in Elizabeth's engagement ring came from the same tiara. The tiara had been a wedding gift to Philip's mother, Alice of Battenberg, from her uncle and aunt, Emperor Nicholas II and Empress Alexandra of Russia. Romanov diamonds!

R434 sweet Jesus what is it with this “Duchess Kate” shit? If Americans are going to pretend to know about the British Royal Family they could at least get the styles and titles right. She is “HRH The Duchess of Cambridge” and has been for ten years.

Not “Duchess Kate”. Not “Kate Middleton”. Not “Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge”.

Thanks for that info< r448, it is lovely.

If it was cloudy in LA today, R447, that image has been ready to go. Guess the combo of the iconic shot of Catherine and adorable Louis on his birthday have MeMe shook. She looks extremely smug. Ugly shoes, no wonder her feet are so deformed.

Archie is adorable ☺️

The bracelet is spectacular and the fact that the queen gifted her such a special gift from Phillip really speaks volumes.

Anti-photographer Harry and photos are being set up to show his son's face? What about the SECURITY? Meghan is smirking, not distressed. The Harkles are such hypocrits and SO LOW RENT, shades of Tori Spelling. William and Catherine will never need kickbacks from photos of their kids. Trash humans and trash parents.

Meanwhile, r414, Archie and Sis will grow up minus any contact with grandparents, aunts, uncles, or cousins---on either side.

One can only imagine whom their mother will choose as their Cali friends.

R426, One cannot "merch" the unavailable.

R449, Tell it to the British media.

Kate was stunting with the ugly pearls and has since coloured her hair ginger.

The psychotic Sunshine Sucks/PR Troll has posted over 200 times on this thread.

I did not think the pearls were ugly and she looked very stately.

Dignified and stately.

Such an iconic photo, reminiscent of Princess Diana. Catherine has brought much to the family.

Now why are you trying to rile up the KGT and the Megloons? Meghan's instructions were to never mention that photo again!

Why didn't Elton John rewrite one of his songs for him as a tribute?

Basically until Megs it out of the picture, the door is firmly locked against any chance of reconciliation between Harry and the rest of his family.

Is she hiding his hair? Did he really need the hat?

Did some troll upthread actually state that Kate was merching the Queen's Japanese Pearl Choker at the funeral?!

Did anyone inform the dumb cunt that there are no others? That it is a personal piece of the Queen's made in the 1970s from a gift of cultured pearls from the Japanese people that the Queen had made into the 4 strand choker?

Why are Meghan's stand so pathetically ignorant?

In the pix with Archie (who looks quite sweet), if you open the photo, you can see Meghan smiling silly under the mask. And why the fuck is a "heavily pregnant" woman carrying a toddler with a backpack whose legs are already down to her knees? And why is he wearing a wool hat on a mild day in late April in Santa Barbara?

My guess: hiding his hair.

Meanwhile, Prince Louis' birthday photo shows a kid who is going to be breaking hearts within ten years. God that kid is handsome!

[QUOTE] Philip's mother gave a tiara to Philip and so he could use the jewels from it to have the bracelet made.

yes and also the stones in HM’s engagement ring came from that tiara, as well as the aquamarines in a tiara that is now worn by Sophie. The rest of the diamonds are probably tiny, so it and the scrap platinum were either repurposed by Philip or just sold to the jeweler outright for making the bracelet and ring.

Yes, I'm merching this priceless necklace, with at least decades of history, that you can't buy anywhere. That is what I am trying to sell you.

I am a Meghan Markle fan and I have gotten even stupider than God made me on a steady diet of resentment and denying reality.

New strategy: Katie Holmes.

r466 that is great info, I didn't know that Sophie's stones came from the same Romanov-gifted tiara to Princess Alice. I wish we had photos of the original tiara - do you know of any?

Which aquamarine piece of Sophie's are you referring to, as she has so many. The modern convertible Aquamarine tiara/necklace created by Collins & Sons, or the Five Aquamarine tiara (originally worn by the Queen in the 1970s).

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Smiling slyly (not silly)

Prince Louis is three years old today and this photo was released. He's growing up so quickly.

R469 Took some digging but I found the fucker.

"Princess Andrew gave it to her son in 1947 to break down and create an engagement ring for Princess Elizabeth. The other diamonds* were used to create Prince Philip's wedding gift for his bride, a wide bracelet. This is another example of a jewel remake that I find superior to the original, and as an added bonus, those diamonds are certainly getting more use today than they would if they were still in their tiara format."

I love this story-a mother’s love and willingness to sacrifice her tiara for her son’s happiness

Are the large stones topping the tiara the aquamarines? I wonder what became of the necklace and where they were kept during WWII.

R474 Knock yourself out. I can't seem to locate a color image of the tiara. From the link: "Those large stones are likely not diamonds, and are usually said to have been aquamarines."

Think of the contrast with merching on the school run to try to overshadow the birthday of a 3 year old family member, R473.

Not bad, R468!

What's this Katie Holmes strategy? Strategize escaping the marriage, buying a burner phone, and having divorce papers ready to serve on Meghan while Harry's whisking the kids out of the country?

If Harry had to marry a borderline like his mother, he should have chosen a British borderline. International custody arrangements will be a nightmare.

She is more than that, R470, she is delusional and narcissistic too.

He made his bed. He has continued to leak and act out, even during his grandfather's funeral.

It is the kids and pets who are trapped, Haru is an adult, albiet dim and damaged. He seems quite unhappy unless he is actively sticking it to his family, like stunting on the church steps. These are sick people.

Meghan will claim Haz was abusive, an addict and a drinker, just like she tried to claim about her devoted dad. Unlike Thomas, Hazbean is a mess and she has been collecting receipts for years. He helps her, the suicidal and he did not get her help due to embrassment story, false as it may be, will not look great in court.

How many years do we give it at this point?

How true will this turn out to be re: timing?

Doubtful that Meghan would make any kind of move until after The Queen passes and Charles is king. That way she would have two potentially titled children and she would need a heck of a lot of spousal support to raise them in the style they should be accustomed to.

She'll never get those HRH titles for her kids, guarantee it. To have them would be absurd, as they'll be Americans growing up in LA. They don't need it, won't get it.

They won't divorce for a few more years. He gets another big trust fund payout at 40, allegedly from money left to him by the Queen Mother, and that's when Meghan will make her move.

It's sad that Harry doesn't realize she will turn on him--it's her pattern. Even if he agrees to everything she says she wants in the divorce, she'll make it ugly. She HAS to, as she'll need the abused wife story to launch herself as Meghan Markle, Brave Single Mother. There's no way he's getting out of this with his money and his reputation intact.

He is already going through the principal of his trust.

Other posters said an inheritance is not community property under CA law. So, may not last that long.

One rumor was that Charles bought the house in CA. Dunno.

Who might she attach herself to next? What wealthy man loves drama, chaos and constant leaks to the media? My money is still on Ellen, she seems to go for crazy.

What wealthy man is going to want a 40-something former D-list actress with two kids and an incessant need for attention? Megs is no Jackie.

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I posted the Katie Holmes strategy. Not by him, by her. Hence the Archie as Suri on the hip papping.

I don't think she'll wait for a divorce during the reign of King Charles. Remember, technically the sovereign has custody of his grandchildren and she's already confessed to serious mental illness that could threaten the safety of a child.

[quote]What wealthy man is going to want a 40-something former D-list actress with two kids and an incessant need for attention?

Like she'll keep those kids.

She'll monetize them and pack them off to their father. Nothing says 'not my job' like a continent and an ocean between you.

Thanks so much r472, great photo. Those are some largish stone atop there. The Romanovs handed out large gift jewels like some people hand out candy bars at Halloween. Amazing, although I'm sure Alice would have probably been happier to have her aunts and relatives alive for their full lives than receive all the rare jewels.

[quote]In fairness, by that point in her life it probably wasn't a lot of use to her personally.

Actually, it would have been a great deal of use to her. After the WWII, she founded a Greek Orthodox nursing order, the Xtian Sisterhood of Martha and Mary. No idea how much personal wealth she had left, but whatever was left was no doubt contributed to the order. It seems Sister Andrew - as show as known in the order - tapped the Queen regularly for contributions, if the Queen's alleged comment "My Mother and her castles. My Mother-in-law and her charities" is something that passes for accurate.

The soverign/custody issue does not arise with a child so far down the line of succession, R490.

Perhaps, R491. she lived with her father for much of her life, after all.

It applies to grandchildren of the sovereign R494. No distinction.

Sorry, I'm wrong... first six. Which when Charles is King little Merchie will be.

Unless Kate has another..., which would be hilarious.

Unfortunately, Archie has two of his parents eye characteristics: Harry's little beady eyes and Meghan's cross eye. I don't know what's going on with his swollen cheek.

Perhaps Meghan threw a teacup at him

Well, Archie is definitely their kid, so there’s no doubt (like Harry) re parentage. He’s got features from both of them.

Where are people getting this notion that the monarch can claim the right of custody for children among the first six in the succession? I know of no British law that says that. The number six does pertain to those who must apply for the monarch's position to marry.

Why has she got him capped? Temperature is in the sixties. Hardly wool hat weather. Clueless.

This whole mess could have been avoided by requiring the queens approval to marry MM. The BRF should change the rule to include all direct grandkids.

R503, the 60s is not hot. It was in the low 60s with a strong wind last week where I live and it was chilly. And seriously—are you really going to be picky because the kid is wearing a hat? Isn’t there enough real life drama around these people? People in California think it’s chilly anyway if it’s not 80 +.

I hope not, R500, but anyone who threw hot tea in someone's face cannot be trusted. Her own half sib said she should not be left alone with children or animals.

That does look like an awfully large bruise.

R504, Prince Harry was required by law to obtain the Queen's permission to marry, and she granted permission.

R506, that half sib who’s whacked? That one?

Can you imagine if she had NOT, R508. No one thought it a good idea, not the Windsors, Cambridges, Spensers or childhood friends. NO ONE saw MEMEMEMEMMEMEME as a team player. Correctly.

Anyone else remember John Edwards' furtive trip to see (and thrill!) the late Bunny Mellon in a desperate attempt to get funds for his campaign?

R257, in her case, it has nothing to do with sexism. A prime role as wife to the future King is to produce heirs. And it is a very big deal that the succession laws were changed. Anne left the UK because she was furious that she was not in the line of succession. It is always part of any discussion of the Duchess' role as future Queen.

R288, doubt either Charles or the Queen made their plans with Harry in mind. She is mourning her husband and does not want a celebration, and Charles, knowing that, made plans to go to Wales. Right now, his prime role is as support to HM.

“Anne left the UK”, R512? Anne who?

Charles did meet with his son, R294. They were seen outdoors together after the funeral. They took a walk on the Windsor grounds. I'm speculating on the conversation, but my guess is that Charles informed Harry that the Queen was not having a party but only spending time with very old friends/ladies-in-waiting? and he would be going to Wales. Harry is still his son.

R514, sorry, I thought she had lived in the US with her first husband for some time. Apparently not.

And the bit about “Anne” being “furious that she was not in the line of succession”, R516? You made that up too, right?

She has always been in the line of succession, as have her descendants.

Anne's first husband spent a substantial amount of time in Australia and NZ for equestrian-related work. Anne did not accompany him. He had an affair that resulted in the birth of another daughter.

R320 that makes sense. I can remember Princess Diana's death and the RF had to backtrack at that point. The overwhelming support for her by the British people made the Queen realize that that some recognition of her needed to be made. Some middling intellects likely interpreted that as a sign that Harry and Meghan could make accusations and the RF would have to accommodate them as well. What didn't appear to dawn on that bunch is that Harry is not that popular and Meghan is unpopular. To essentially say FU to the RF and relocate to California was not going to endear them to much of anyone in the UK. The RF doesn't really have to life a collective finger at this point as the tabloids do it all for them. Your comment about them being just another Hollywood couple fighting to look relevant is apt. And I'm still trying to get over the fact that they were too stupid and cheap to pay for the funeral wreath

The funeral was just a pretext for MeAgain to interject herself into the conversation during the funeral procession.

Scobie was also threatening an Oprah 2.0 during the funeral coverage. The first one did so much harm to the Harkles, they NEVER learn.

Markle on the pap stroll with Archie....such a great mom!

From the Palace to Tori Spelling!

Contrast Prince Louis's happy and guileless countenance with the stern and wary expression of Archie.

R523... 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

Can't stop, won't stop!!!!! I'm MEMEMEMEMEMMEMEMEMEMMEEMEME!

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R526 Yeah, she never claims to actually believe them and she says she was surprised when Meghan "went there" with racism allegations. And then she praised her own performance, which stresses that she really doesn't give a shit about H&M this is about her being relevant again. The Obamas have distanced themselves from Megz and Harry, as has Bill Gates. No way that has escaped Oprah's attention. She will string along with them as far as it is advantageous for her to do so.

“I believe they told their truth” is a diplomatic way to express skepticism without insulting them.

Oprah's claim that she knew how to ask questions belies what really happened on that "show". She didn't even question the claim that was refuted by MM's attendance at appearances which required her to travel out of the UK.

R529 Despite winning an Oscar, Oprah is a terrible actress which is why I believe the whole thing was rehearsed, with Oprah's questions pre-approved by Meghan. Her "what" reaction was hysterically bad acting.

She's a clown.

The Oprah quotes in the R526 linked article are so cynical. For her it was a big success because it put her back in the limelight, not because anything was elucidated. She obviously didn't ask any questions that didn't suit the narrative. Which is fine--it made her money--but let's not pretend it was great journalism. And what in the world is this supposed to mean:

'I didn't see Harry and Meghan before but I did text them and say intention is very important to me, tell me what your intention is, so that we can be aligned in our goal. And our shared intention was the truth. They wanted to be able to tell their story and tell it in such a way that allowed them to be as truthful as possible.'

R532 Oprah is a business person first and foremost and lets face it, her brand has been fading for years since her talk show ended and OWN failed to be more than a niche cable channel. Prior to covid, Oprah ceased production of her magazine and sold off most of her ownership in OWN. Her "spiritual" tour in late 2019 and 2020 undersold, and she "parted ways" with CBS 60 Minutes. The problem for has been that her audience was largely made up of suburban white woman who are now largely Trumpist and hate her.

Working with H&M was a business decision a way to try and build back relevancy particularly with a younger more "woke" audience. She'll work with them as long as it is mutually advantageous but if goes downhill, she'll split. I think in the long run, this has the potential to damage Oprah just as much as it will H&M. As Prince Philip wisely said, Meghan destroys everything she comes into contact with.

Also lets be real, Oprah has never really cared about the factual truth.

Ok, wait. Just catching up here...So...a Prince of the United Kingdom, the son of Prince Charles and the most famous woman in the world of her time, Diana, Princess of Wales, is hooked up with a Class A grifter? Back this shit up...So, no Saudi Princes invited him to a party with any number of beautiful and willing potential companions? No friends from his prestigious schools in the UK were able to set him up with any decent candidates to smoke his English bone? What happened here?? Could it be that even prior to the Duchess of California that Prince Henry was a known liability, even for trained maidens/whores that wait in line for an opportunity like him? Really? I mean, what in the actual FUCK.

[quote]'I didn't see Harry and Meghan before but I did text them and say intention is very important to me, tell me what your intention is, so that we can be aligned in our goal. And our shared intention was the truth. They wanted to be able to tell their story and tell it in such a way that allowed them to be as truthful as possible.'

Not withstanding that no one who actually dwells in the real world speaks like this, I think we can all but the Klan Granny troll agree complex and nuanced issues are always easily clarified via text. LOL OMG Frown emoticon.

'They told their truth' = 'They lied'.

“My truth” = “my bullshit.” Usually.

He has reportedly had stints in rehab and a psych ward. He also seems to hate and resent his family in a Shakespearean sort of way. Yet, he said the BRF would be "the family she never had." Markle is such a genuine kind person that she has ghosted her whole family but for one and lifelong friends. The husband who got her the Suits gig had her wedding and engagement ring FedExed back to him.

It is coming out that they planned to leave for CA even before the wedding. Her disruptive behavior while in the BRF was to generate as much talk as possible. She told Sunshine Sucks, famious for representing Harvey Weinstein, to make her the most famous woman in the world, she seems to have gone for infamous, even merching a funeral wreath DURING the funeral of Harry's grandfather. There has never been a clear photo of her 2 year old child's face, yet she arranged and leaked photos to compete with the birthday of her 3 year old nephew, Prince Louis. She repeatedly bullied his sister, Princess Charlotte, then 2, before the wedding and encouraged older children in the bridal party to do so as well. She's a love, our Megsy! There have been jokes all along that she was a "plant" given their drumbeat of claims that they can "bring down" the monarchy and that concerns for the health of DYING Prince Phillip were an attempt to "muzzle her" who knows?

Her "online army" is quite sinister. Who knows who the hidden hand may be?

Oprah really doesn't have much to add to the conversation. She's so rich all she seems to want to do is facilitate complaining by other rich people.

in the 3.5 hours they say with O there must have been some discussion of Pa and Sam, Piers, and Tiaragate. It’s a shame those went to the cutting room floor, I’d be interested to hear what they had to say about those.

Oprah's empire is on the decline, she wanted attention and to be seen as relevant again. The was doing weird, culty, grifting bullshit before covid, a frau I work with attended one and became a volunteer at others. Oprah has sold off or folded a lot of the outlets associsated with her brand. Of course she is still quite wealthy. I read that Jerry Springer based HIS show on early Oprah, any veneer that she was not always trash was just that.

Oprah bought a stake in Weight Watchers and shortly thereafter it got "reimagined" (another questionable word) to Wellness Works or something like that, and de-emphasized weight loss. Well, it would have to, with Oprah as spokesperson, wouldn't it? I guess now your excess weight is your truth.

She doesn't know what to do with herself anymore... "For someone on top of the world, the view's not exactly clear..."

Let's be honest... it is not unreasonable to assume, that like most people, she cannot shake her personal past, which was unstable as a child, complex as an adult and thrust her into a stratosphere even she probably never expected. Her accomplishments aren't rooted in real vision or intellect... she didn't invent something that took a lot of thought. She's not Bill Gates. Here is a woman who rose to incredible heights in the kind of system that can make someone of Oprah's talents incredibly fucking rich and connected. But she's basically been on a lifelong quest to fix Oprah. You can see the lack of vision. She distracts easily, always pursues new ideas, needs affirmation. It's not her fault society gave her more alternatives than she was capable of handling.

Bottom line, Oprah is good at talking to people.

I don't know, R544, rumor is she does her intterviews via green screen, including the Harkles. She has foisted Dr. Phil, Dr. Oz and loads of new agey bullshit on the world. She is still obese and grasping, so she seems to have a ways to go on "fixing" herself. The fakey over the top "WHAT?!" was lame, shows why she never went farther as an actress, scenery chewer. She is a lot like Meghan, just more successful. Gayle is riding her coattails, MEMEMEMEME clearly would like to hop on herself. They are both into the delusional "manifesting" bs, remember MeAgain wants to be president!

Well, if Jenner can run for governor, Meagain can run for Congress. But if the establishment thinks AOC is a pain in the ass what will they do with that one? I don't suppose she's any less qualified for congress than any other candidate who isn't a lawyer but there would be a painful gap between those who have then paid their dues and what she imagines she brings to legislating. Which would be what, really, other than desire?

Oprah obviously wants to be taken seriously as a journalist. The day after the interview her handmaiden Gayle and her minions on CBS were crowing about how NO ONE other than Oprah could have asked those questions and gotten the Harkles to open up like they did when it was clear to anyone that the questions had been agreed upon in advance.

Annenberg is also a Sunshine Sucks client.

It seems that no one else associates with them at all.

I don't speak "Oprah" (or "Meghan," for that matter), so I'm confused. Get a load of just this one sentence:

[quote]They wanted to be able to tell their story and tell it in such a way that allowed them to be as truthful as possible.

"in such a way that allowed them to be as truthful as possible"? "Allowed"? What's going on here? How many ways are there for them to tell "their story," and what would be the reason that some particular way might not "allow" them to be truthful?

Why not just say, "They wanted to be able to tell their story," with or without the word "truthful"?

Who’s Annenberg r548?

Wallis Annenberg, billionaire philanthropist living in southern CA who is the daughter of the Walter Annenberg, who was great friends with the Queen and Prince Philip back in the day. She met with Harry down in LA on Wed, the day of his grandmother TQ's 95th birthday.

daughter of the late Walter Annenberg, above/

This is not at all surprising...

R549, I think what's meant is that MM was silenced by the BRF, and by leaving and with the Oprah interview, she was able to tell the truth to the world. It's in line with their PR messaging--her statements, her friends' statements to the media, Oprah here. The "as truthfully" probably means without saying who supposedly asked about the skin color, I guess.

That Oprah is spouting this shows that the interview was a PR rollout, not a journalistic endeavor. What journalist would not ask about her father?

Does anyone know where to watch the interview? I'd like to revisit it.

They're updating Finding Freedom. Post on the Recollections thread.

Thanks, R554. I guess that makes better sense in translation. What a lot of hoo-ha it is, though.

R553 There is absolutely a growing indifference towards Harry in the UK. There are some quarters that absolutely hate or love him at this point, but I think the real feeling here is just hope that he and William can eventually patch things up. Also, I think a lot of people (though many in the media won't say this publicly) suspect the marriage will eventually fail. If/When that happens Harry would be welcomed back to the UK but I don't think he would ever be fully allowed back into royal duties at least until they can trust him again. Meghan in the meantime is continuing to feud because it's driving her nuts that the royals have frozen her out totally. The only person they care about anymore is Harry.

Meghan strikes me as someone hypersensitive to criticism or perceived rejection. It does come from an unstable and possibly abusive childhood.

Are you going to tell me Thomas Markle doesn’t seem like the kind of guy who would hit his kids? There’s a reason they all hate him.

Which, again leads me to ask why Markle wanted in the Royal Family to begin with. She’s old enough to know she’s not cut out for cold, high pressure environments.

She was gushing over her dad until she met Harry, R559. By her account and others he was a very involved father who volunteered his time at her private high school to do lights for productions even after she graduated.

Why did she want in the BRF? She is a narcissist. She thought she could "shake it up."

Because BRF is what the blinds call A+ fame. It would be genuinely thrilling to marry in, as long as you were truly game for the part you’d have to play. Also, at the time Harry was the world’s most eligible bachelor, the son of the most glamorous of modern saints. Of course she was going to go for it.

Marrying into the Royal Family isn’t something you can half ass. Like parenting, once you take on the job you are in it for the long haul. And there will be plenty of shit you just don’t want to deal with.

The fact she thought she could bail so quickly and abruptly is weird. I guess I could see easing myself out the door, but the shit H & M pulled is just bizarre.

Royal Correspondent Russell Myers is calling H&M out here. H&M are desperate to stay relevant State side, but this constant leaking is going to get old with people very quickly. They believe they are A+ super Hollywood celebrity and they are not. They are no longer working royals and the longer the are separated from the royals the less they have to sell. Also sounds like Harry won't be attending the unveiling of the Diana statute in July because of his family's frosty reception towards him.

Odd couple

Daily Mail is appealing the result of MM's lawsuit against them for publishing a letter sent to her father. The Mail is citing the Oprah interview and subsequent leaks following Prince Philip's as evidence that Megz does indeed purposely leak details of private conversations to the media via her friends.

British paparazzi photographer talks about how he had a "working" relationship with Meghan (and to a lesser degree Harry) and how Meghan frequently tipped them off to where she'd be.

I can't see that this has been posted before. Prince Philip was a fascinating man who I would have loved to meet.

R402, And it would be titled, "The Only Way Is Sussex"!

Lol, R568, you have a point there.

That was beautiful, R568.

New YouGov poll shows popular support for the monarchy has risen while all the senior royals have seen their popularity rise in the last month EXCEPT for Meghan and Harry. 62% of Brits have a negative opinion of Meghan, 49% have a negative opinion of Harry. Only 17% believe the monarchy should end after the Queen dies.

Surprised that Harry still has that much support after the interview and his "performance" at his grandfather's funeral.

Frankly, r572, only a few way too invested people in picking stuff out of nothing saw anything Harry did wrong at the funeral. To most people, there was nothing untoward about his behavior. He walked behind the coffin, sat quietly in church, and chatted up his family afterward.

It will continue to fall, R572.

I’d like to see them both hung from a tree

R575, well that’s a terrible comment. Do you understand why?

People trying to start trouble. Put 'em on the "pay no mind" list.

let me rephrase then, I’d like to give them both wedgies and hang them by their undies from the tree, very much alive.

R576, it's a terrible comment period. It doesn't need history to make it one.