Attendance At Prince Philip’s Funeral, Part 3

Let's play the How-Long-Until-She's-Mentioned Challenge!

Interesting and informative. Thanks. I can use this.

I want to know which network will use a small model of a horse-drawn hearse to Illustrate the funeral route.

Also, will CNN use holographs to show what’s going on?

I liked the graphic of the people's positions in the procession, with movement arrows and notations for Will and Haz. Also helpful.

Then, I want a hologram of dead Natalie Cole and her very dead Nat King Cole to sing “Candle In The Wind” for the procession.

Prince and Princess Michael of Kent—excluded!

I was surprised that Lady Pamela Hicks, last surviving daughter of Louis Mountbatten, was not on the guest list.

We were surprised and hurt that we were not invited.oo

If you can get your stepmother to perform her 21 ping pong ball salute at the funeral, we will hold a place for you, Vanky.

Sorry, hang on, is CBS marketing a special guest in their coverage?

Is the BBC coverage on here in the States? I want to avoid having to hear the name Meghan Markle during the coverage.

[quote]I want to avoid having to hear the name Meghan Markle during the coverage.

Well, you could just not watch it at all.

You are not alone, R11!

The funeral.

Will this traumatize Harry all over again, walking in the procession?

Princess Anne's son-in-law, Mike Tindall posted this photo of Prince Philip with his eldest daughter Mia at Balmoral.

I hope there are no Friends reruns showing in Montecito...

It must kill M that she has but 1 photo of Archie with Phillip.

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Paparazzi are TRAUMATIZING!

Says the guy who moved to LA for 6 months and visits all the time.

How many times are they forced to come out and look at the flowers?

Where's the viscount????

Remember how the tabloids were trumpeting that the Middletons were invited?

You believe nothing that they tell you until it's confirmed.

No, r18, it ISN'T.

Maybe she can photoshop one? The christening photos were so odd, Catherine appeared to be sitting on a chair missing legs, lol. Everything is shady, the better to drive convo and clicks, our Duke and Duch of Sucks THRIVE on negative attention.

In the end, all the blame for everything is rightly laid exclusively upon Meghan.

Hazbean has his share coming to him as well, R27. His image is a PR creation going back decades and after all, he married her.

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Will there be commercial sponsorship?

If Markle had more photos of Philip, her "friends" would leak "unseen" photos daily until the funeral.

It was a choice not to go and say goodbye in person, Hazbean could have take Archie with him. Hard to have photos when you summered with Elton John rather than the family and then bounced to another continent.

That photo is interesting r16 because it doesn't look like the UK. Even if it is the UK it's not really clear where it is. Good to see that they have their own lives out of the public eye and go to places without the whole world knowing about.

r6 I actually suspect there is a good chance Prince Michael iniated giving up his place in order to enable some of Prince Philips nephews etc to come. Somebody had to. I also have a vague memory hw may have been treated for cancer in recent years although I could be mistaken.

Well, that would have been gracious.

Countdown? Mary, gtfo of here. No one cares about this old Nazi becoming plant food.

And yet here you are, caring.

Plant food? He’s not going into the ground, you pleb.

I thought they were waiting to plant him until QE2 kicks.

R33, says it is Balmoral.

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I thought this thread was about Phillip.

As usual, right out of the gate, Markle Troll r1 thinks he being incognito. You're stench I worse than Cheryl's Eau d'Pusse.

Royals aren’t buried in the earth. They are entombed in a vault.

Gayle's special guest will be calling in from the White House.

[quote]Will there be commercial sponsorship?

Clearance House will no doubt announce who the Douchess is wearing.

Diana was meant to go in her family crypt in their local church but her brother insisted on marooning her on that little island (so he could make a fortune charging visitors to his family estate)

45 posts, and 33% of them reference Markle.

☠️Feel the hate.

The conversation on the last thread about young William and Harry walking behind Diana's casket, giving the sad affair so much meaning and gravitas, really drives home what a tawdry death it was, for an upper class Englishwoman and especially a former Royal. Even just a 36 year old mother. To die after partying at the Ritz in a drunk driving accident, with a lover. I've never really thought about how it "looked" because of Diana's constant hagiography (I was 13 at the time). But I imagine the repressed, tight lipped, uptight BRF were beyond stunned.

The chauffer was the drunk who thought he could ditch the paparazzi.

Fatal "mistake."

[quote] Royals aren’t buried in the earth. They are entombed in a vault.

Or paved over in a car park.

I don't think her death was seen as trashy. She'd had a dinner at The Ritz, it's not like she was coming home drunk from a nightclub.

In the days after her death the photographers were largely blamed for causing the crash and photographing her dying, then the driver for speeding. Later Dodi was also blamed for urging the driver to go faster.

R49, but it's not like the sad beauty of a young mother stricken down with breast cancer, or JFK's dramatic assassination. Unjust, untimely noble deaths.

Diana was partying with bad company.

And then the very noble JFK style funeral... I'm just saying, I never realized fully where she was in life when she died.

Look, not to let accuracy intrude, but she wasn't partying at the Ritz. Yes, she was there with the worst pick for boyfriend of all time. But she and Idodiot only tried to have dinner in the restaurant, left because of the stares, dined in a suite upstairs and then left later that night, with a driver no one realized was drunk until the autopsy.

There wasn't a conga line before everybody threw their keys in a bowl.

That was my point, R42, The thread is indeed about Philip (one 'L' only, dear) and I was objecting in advance to its becoming another thread where all things Markle, even those that don't have any relevance to Prince Philip, are discussed ad nauseam.

I don’t understand why they can’t put him in the George VI vault straight away instead of holding him in a temporary location until the Queen dies. It’s not like she’s going to remarry. Seems awfully petty.

R48- I remember my mother used the word tawdry to describe Diana's last months. The "kiss" photo splashed on every tabloid front page, her taking the boys on that trip with those nefarious people, the Fayids. These were not good , upstanding people for her to bring the two princes with her was sleezy and quite shocking. Diana was acting like a common whore. I'm sorry but she was. The media had lost all respect for her as well.

R53, and I'm sorry that I'm not making my larger point. It's directed to Harry's trauma...

Harry and Will HAD to be there, had to walk behind her to show what she meant.

I don't mean to harp on the trashy death thing, I'm just trying to say that the boys' presence at the funeral, no matter how difficult for them, was probably very important to HER legacy, given the circumstances.

Well, on reflection maybe Eva Braun actually wins worst pick for boyfriend of all time, but you get my meaning.

Just a reminder, I'm doing great... for all of you who want to make sure I'm ok

R53 thank you. R48 makes it sound like Diana was coming home from a Paris club in hotpants and a tramp stamp.

It was revealed Diana wanted to stay and eat at the apartment but Dodi of course insisted they go out. He wanted to show her off and get some publicity. He was a shitstain.

R56, big if not irrational admirer of Diana and I remember being so pissed off with her loony tunes behaviour in the last 4 - 6 weeks of her life. She really seemed to have lost control, if not of herself, of her antics.

That sounds so disgusting and petty.

Who made that the law of the land?

Diana also caused much if not most of the jealously between them. William was her golden boy and she talked about him non-stop. She said many things in interviews that must have hurt Harry, such as implying he was slow. She said she never had to worry about William because he was so mature, ect. Harry was a problem , William perfect. I am sure she did not intend to hurt him and cause such resentment, but she most certainly did.

R56 is the reason Harry and Megs left Britain.

R46, I wouldn't be surprised if that occurred to him but I think there were also concerns the church would be overrun. It is a tiny church and the custom, in England, at least in the countryside, is that churches aren't locked. I am sure I recall reservations about security and disruptions if she went in the crypt. And the Argentines stole Eva Peron more than once, God knows what a couple of gays with a Diana shrine and a struggling B&B might have plotted after one too many gins.

Interesting observations, r48. Yes, I think when we lived through it at the time (I was just turning 40), it was almost kind of 'cataclysmic" in terms of the sheer power of SM, the BRF funeral ritual, combined with public mourning, which seemed so anguished at the time, embarrassingly so. But yeah, stepping back....wow. The last person you ever expected. Princess Diana. Paris. Car Crash. Where? The Ritz. With Who? Dodi What? Fayed? Who's that? I mean, "tawdry" as a concept did begin to seep in pretty quickly but was quickly dismissed. There was so much "drama" surrounding the BRF's strangely silent reaction to the whole death. All of this - the shock, the strange quietness, the universal grief, the senselessness of it all, Camilla, the triangle, etc did indeed amplify the pathos, the sadness, Shakespearean level tragedy. As also seen when the Spencer and Prince Charles go to the hospital in Paris, and fly PD home. To live through this and see this real time was pretty amazing.

I don't think anyone who experienced the whole sage real time will ever forget it.

R66, was this you?

Are any of our Dl posters the Original Screamers from the video showing the reaction to Princess Diana's death announcement?

So.

No honorary space left behind the coffin for HRH The Duchess of Sussex, who is carrying royal fetal princess and so should count for two spots in the VIP area, even [italic]in absentia sua[italic].

Doubly racist, doubly sexist, doubly cruel.

Diana, like all of us, had her faults as well as good traits. I also give Diana slack because i feel she had Bipolar disorder and there really wasn't advanced treatment at that time like we have now. I am not judging her in any way, but this drama being played out between brothers started somewhere long ago when they were young. They caught hell from classmates about the constant headlines Diana seemed determined to make . She gave interviews about about her and PC's affairs. She talked badly about their father. She also treated them very differently. William was her favorite and she let the world know that. That had to have hurt.

R67... I was just googling that! LOL!

[quote]R52: ...the sad beauty of a young mother stricken down with breast cancer

I think we have a death-porn devotee among us.

See? Harry can’t be around any of you; “Harry, I so sorry for your loss and your wife is so nice and let’s talk about your very dead Mom!”

For those of you who weren't there... this is what we saw over the hours that night... it was very emotional. Not quite Diana scream emotional but watching it just now I still find myself moved and stunned.

Diana's comment about "there were always three people in this marriage" spoke volumes.

The blame was always directed toward her while Charles was banging Camilla for years.

He probably would have spent his honeymoon with Camilla if he could figure out a way.

Who knows? Maybe he did.

R66 I agree with your assessment of that time. The other facet is that at that time, Diana had reached rarefied heights of global name recognition, not an easy feat in those pre-social media days. She had done some important charity work using that brand. The shame was that she would not be able to continue doing that.

Close r67. Except I was at work, in an office, in Australia. An Australian colleague, a PhD. student who normally sleeps during the day, was monitoring international news, I guess and called met at work with the news that PD had been in a car crash. But the way he was talking, it sounded like there was worse to come.

Why did they embalm her so quickly?

Fuck you, R36.

I wish they could send Philip off in grand regal style. Big public ceremonies of state are what keep The Firm in business.

Her funeral was surreal. Everywhere you looked there were mountains of flowers , stuffed animals, letters. Everyone in the UK seemed to be grief stricken. Then that long, slow walk behind her coffin. I will never forget the white flowers on her casket with the word " Mummy." I remember wishing the walk would just end for the sake of the boys. William was the one who stood out to me. He looked down the whole way. He looked like the saddest little child. It was heartbreaking. My mother said the only thing she could compare it to was JFK's funeral and John JR saluting his father's coffin . Then that fucking Elton John song. That song is when lost it. I was just sobbing. So was my mother. The most elaborate, poignant funeral procession I have ever witnessed. You really had to be there in that time to understand. Then the last drive home to Althrop, the car carrying her casket had to stop to clear the flowers from the windscreen that people keep placing on the car as it drove by. Then though the gates and she disappeared forever. But what a send off. I know the tabloids were gutted. There went their favorite,most lucrative subject. She sold every headline she was in and made them very rich. They have yet to replace her.

A psychiatrist was summoned for Diiana on the honeymoon, R75, it was disasterous from the jump. The genes and toxic enviroment with her drama did the kids no favors. They should never have to manage the emotions of mentally ill adults, there should be generational boundaries.

William chose a stable wife with a close and loving family. Harry fucked his kids over by marrying mummy, but even more malicious and added in family estrangement and social isolation, it is like something from Mengele.

Has everyone forgotten about ME?????

R83, so sorry you’re dead and all, but let me tell you where I was the night LD was MURDERED and what I was wearing.

Seems that way, R83. Sorry bout that.

[quote]I also give Diana slack because i feel she had Bipolar disorder and there really wasn't advanced treatment at that time like we have now.

R70. First of all, lithium to treat bipolarism had been on the market for at least 20 years or longer by the time Diana died. Secondly, Diana was not bipolar. The only thing wrong with Diana was that she had been duped into a loveless marriage by an unfeeling psychologically abusive husband who together with his mistress worked to ruin the marriage from before it even started and throughout the entire time that the marriage endured. Yes, Diana had her faults like everyone. But most all of her mistakes during her selfless devotion to service and to the monarchy was Charles and Camilla. They were the root cause of everything wrong from the day Charles and Diana married until the day Diana died, and Charles and Camilla should not be forgiven.

R81 - I agree. Diana's death and funeral were surreal. It was like the normally stoic people of Britain had a simultaneous nervous breakdown. I don't know if that will ever happen again.

The table on which it all began.

R86-- I respectfully disagree. Diana's mood swings were well known. She would cry for days at a time and not speak to it answer anyone who tried to help. Then she would go into rages, manic behavior. Her mood swings can not be blamed on her marriage, they were too extreme. The reckless behavior, making over 300 hang up calls in one day alone to her married lover's wife. That is classic Bipolar behavior.

Prince Philip's ponies will play a role in the funeral.

R86 has SPOKEN and their pearls have been CLUTCHED.

Will the York girls put their usual bad fashion feet forward again tomorrow. Here's Brigitte Macron's latest frock. Reminds me of something Bea would show up in - at a funeral.

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R93, is that a wig?

She's always in a wig, I think r94.

R95-- Tragic. Why do people with such horrible taste always have money? Not fair. That depressed me. Her outfit is depressing.

R86, she was treated by a psychiatrist from the time of her honeymoon until she died. Her problems were not all external. The way she used William as an emotional crutch when he was just a child is troubling.

R97-- Yes, it was very disturbing. She almost treated him like a lover. Not sexually, emotionally. She treated him like an adult and an emotional crutch and made him feel responsible for her happiness and mental well being. It was really fucked up.

The Queen released this photo. Everyone in the family seems to like Balmoral.

R99 That photo actually got me misty eyed.

MARY!

If one of those ponies kicked Harry in the head, would it make a difference?

Wasn't Philip shipped in a lemon crate or something?

R102 it might help.

R102 - Most certainly NOT.

Was Diana buried with any jewels?

[quote] Wasn't Philip shipped in a lemon crate or something?

Orange crate

[QUOTE] Maybe she can photoshop one? The christening photos were so odd, Catherine appeared to be sitting on a chair missing legs, lol. Everything is shady, the better to drive convo and clicks, our Duke and Duch of Sucks THRIVE on negative attention.

Fuck off, WELP TROLL. Are you still a Larrie? Stupid ugly bitch.

It was a lemon crate, you dumb sonsofbitches.

Diana had her hair done the day she died. She looked very fetching.

Let's not forget that Diana was a nineteen year old virgin when she married thirty two year old Charles. Diana was probably threatened with isolation in the bell tower if she didn't comply with strict royal guidelines.

Camilla frequently clutched Charles' pearls.

I thought r93 was Jill Biden with a wig.

Easy R109 ......

When life gives you 🍋 lemons, you make Prince Philip Lemon Meringue Pie.

Here are the 30 attendees who will be at Philip's funeral:

Queen Elizabeth II

Prince Charles and Camilla

The Duke and Duchess of Cambridge

Prince Harry

Princess Anne and Vice Admiral Sir Timothy Laurence

Prince Andrew

The four members of The Wessex family

Princess Beatrice and Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi

Princess Eugenie and Jack Brooksbank

Peter Phillips

Mike and Zara Tindall

The Viscount Linley

Lady Sarah and Daniel Chatto

The Duke of Gloucester

The Duke of Kent

Princess Alexandra

Prince Philipp of Hohenlohe-Langenburg

Prince Bernhard of Baden

Prince Donatus, Landgrave of Hesse

The Countess Mountbatten of Burma

The Duke of Edinburgh's funeral will be held at St George's Chapel, with the ceremony beginning at 3pm. It will be preceded by a procession through the grounds of Windsor Castle, starting at 2.40pm. There will be a national minute's silence at 3pm.

No interest in watching the proceedings, just hoping against hope it generates a giant shitbomb of scandalous dish . . .

It's a shame that Mike Tindall and Jack Brooksbank didn't drop out to make room for:

Sarah, Duchess of York

and the grandest of them all: Princess Michael of Kent, Baroness Marie Christine Anna Agnes Hedwig Ida von Reibnitz

In a rare photo together:

R99 There is one eerily similar of the Queen's parents, also taken late in their marriage.

I suppose the Queen's mind is full of memories like this.

I rather envy them both. This is not something I was fortunate enough to have in my life.

You have to smirk at Meghan talking about her "special bond" with Philip. No photos taken by her of the Queen and Philip up at Balmoral, are there?

Oh, that's right: Harry never again saw Balmoral after he married. Meghan saw to that.

I wonder if Balmoral is anything ing like Brigadoon?

Was he really that close to Margaret's children? They seem an odd choice for the short list.

R119, she never said that. Again, quoting tabloids. Diana made them millions. And so will Meghan.

R119-- To say that when everyone knows it is a lie is insulting enough, but to lie about him after giving that interview as he was dying is obscene. She is truly evil. Both of them are because this could not have happened if Harry hadn't allowed it to. I do not know how QE can stomach being around him at this point.

'She is truly evil'

What a gentle, sheltered life you must have led, to think Meghan Markle evil. Definitely a frau, come here from Celebitchy.

[quote]She said many things in interviews that must have hurt Harry, such as implying he was slow.

Well possibly, but Harry was more of kindred spirit to her while Wills had to be the boring dad, telling everyone to be home by 9:00. Not to go all armchair psychologist (but hell, everyone else is, so why not), but that's probably a lot of the root of conflict between them: Wills remembers her as needy, damaged person that he constantly had to take care of while Harry has spent his adulthood looking for the kind of unconditional, no judgement love that she gave him.

R115’s list must be wrong. Viscount Linley, but not the Earl of Snowden? I don’t think so.

Drama much, R111?! Tower?!!!

Of course, that is where Dim should spend some time thinking about his life choices, see Jordan for reference.

Diana was clearly mad as a hatter from the time of the wedding on, terrible idea to have children with those genes. See Harry for reference.

I thought Anne and Tim are divorcing, R115?

Harry is not crazy.

It is my understanding that he has received inpatient treatment, R128. He has been off and unstable his whole life. His image is a Palace PR creation. What he has done to his family in the past few months is almost sociopathic. He and his wife are quite a pair.

Why the hell would they dump Tindall for Sarah Ferguson?

Philip hated her.

Well to expect it from a narc grifter with a lifelong pattern of ghosting WOULD suggest he is dim, R124. Least likely source. She uses and discards. She FEDEXed the rings back to Travor, who helped her get her only ongoing acting job on Suits. Then she lived with Corey, stole his recipes for her blog and stepped out with Harry while still living with him. She treats his family abusivly, even toddlers. His turn with come and Stevie Wonder can see it coming.

I remember Diana speaking of Harry in a bit of a dismissive way as though he annoyed her. William was the golden child for sure, and the one who had to slide tissues under the door as she wept in the bathroom.

Philip's mother was INSTITUTIONALIZED and he still turned out relatively stable and functional, as did William. There is something off about Harry, developmental, character, something. MeAgain seems to have contempt for him. She has cut him off from family and lifelong friends. Maybe the end we all know is coming can be a catalyst for Harry.

I could see how love bombing from a borderline could feel a bit like love bombing from Narkle although he has not looked happy in a very long time.

R132, yeah, not true. For all of her foibles, she loved both the kids. William was older, and maybe more understanding. Family dynamics are unique. You have no insight into theirs.

I think in old videos it is Charles that seems more patient and tuned into Harry, R124. Diana often seemed to be trying to contain him with her hands or body and focused on William.

Please—can we have some gay men participate in this frau fest? You’re out there, I know.

R117 Princess Michael of Kent, once known as plain old Marie Reibnitz when she was growing up in the two room flat above her mother’s hairdressing salon in Sydney. Before she moved to London, replacing her Australian accent with a vaguely mid-European lilt on the way.

Married a British banker called Tom Troubridge. That marriage was annulled. Set her sights on Prince William of Gloucester who was already in a relationship with an Hungarian divorcee (and soon after died in an air crash) then targeted Prince Michael of Kent, a younger son, no Civil List but reasonably good looking and intelligent.

Good old Marie has come a long way!

^^^ Gay enough for you, R136?

Princess Michael has been invited.

The Royal Family has quietly acknowledged her correct evaluation of Meghan's character, and she has been asked to come in blackface as Nubian princess, sporting every blackamoor brooch she can lay her hands on.

As I write this, Princess Michael is with her makeup artist.

All exclusions will be attending via CNN hologram.

R93, was the designer of that dress blind?

Sadly, I think Beatrice will wear a non-ridiculous outfit to the funeral. She won't want to seem disrespectful.

It looks like it is for a cult or nunnery of some sort, R141.

This touches a bit on Diana's concerns for Harry.

R89 No it’s not bipolar behavior. I actually diagnose and treat patients with bipolar disorder and what you’d described aren’t strictly symptoms of bipolar disorder. From what I’d read about Diana she fits more with criteria for borderline personality disorder. The phone calls, extreme mood swings amplified by feeling let down or ignored by object of affection, self harm, always playing victim while blaming others for own dysregulated moods.

As for her death. It was s confluence of events. Drunk driver, no seat belt, dumbfuck French emergency/ firstly responder policy of stabilizing at scene of accident instead of racing to ER for treatment, and most importantly she had tore her pulmonary vein. Massive internal bleeding then cardiac arrest, it’s what happens when pulmonary veins rupture You don’t have oxygenated blood going into the left side of your heart and your chest cavity with internal bleeding which can cause tamponade. She had zero chance once the paramedics decided to not race her to the hospital where maybe she might have 1% chance.

R145--. Do you have any opinion as to why Diana was ruining her reputation as well as embarrassing/ hurting her sons by dating men like Dodi Fayed at the end of her life? I never have understood that. Tia

r127 No they are not. Around 2002 or 2003 there were brief rumours their marriage was under strain and a split being considered.some newspaper columnists alluded or speculated on the possibility that he wanted a child when they first married and she didnt as being a factor in their alleged problems.However the rumours of problems in the marriage have never really resurfaced in the press since then when s were first reported and they are still together.

-46 I think she was buried in the family crypt and nothing but an urn was put on the island. Considering the water table, how could you dig without the hole filling with water?

I predict one day King William will move her to Westminster Abbey to rest with the great and the good. There is precedence - Mary Queen of Scots was originally buried at Peterborough Cathedral. Her son James became king and after a few years rehabilitation of her memory, moved her to the Lady Chapel at Westminster Abbey.

Thanks, R147, that must be what I was remembering. Anne does not strike me as the maternal type but her children have turned out well.

r149 You are welcome. I do remember there being press speculation in 1993 that Anne was considering having a baby with her new husband but more because of his desire rather than a surge of maternal feelings from her.Alas nothing came of it so we dont know if they decided against it or tried and didnt succeed in conceiving.

Please ......... Can we get back to discussing the dead man ?

I think they should fire the old bastard out of a cannon tied to a bomb which will dispense blue or pink smoke and thus serve doubly as a gender reveal party for Megan's kid.

Bonus points if the shrapnel ricochets off Princess Michael of Cunt and she carks it then and there.

Maybe Phil and Liz didn't really want Diana buried with "The Great & The Good."

SHAME on the Queen. She only invited WHITE people to the funeral. This is literal rape!!

Why is Little Georgie wearing those blue ballet flats and that girly-girl ruffled blue shirt?

Because he’s a little baby, goo-goo gee-gee ga-ga.

They don’t bury Royals at Westminster Abbey anymore.

How did they get that lead lined coffin across the water to Diana's Island?

Temporary foot bridge, R158.

I remember when Diana died thinking the little island/chapel thing was a lovely tribute, but now it just seems like a tacky money making ploy to trade off Diana's memory. For all of his bluster about how bad the BRF treated Diana, he & his family never failed to cash in on her & their connections.

How often do William and Harry go visiting that Diana island? I don't remember any reports of them being there.

I'm sure they can visit without it being reported on.

She isn't there. The reaction to her death was so over the top that they feared people would make some shrine or vandalize her grave. They quietly had her buried somewhere in a family mausoleum. She was never buried on that island.

My cousin’s friend, who is a stylist to ALL the big names in English nanny circles, said the firm had LD stuffed with animatronic machinery and a very proper Artificial Intelligence.

The children destroyed her when she wouldn’t let them use sheep to masturbate!

I know I'm late to the party, but I thought of DL when it was revealed the Middletons aren't invited. Some of ya'll ate that bullshit report up with a spoon. Meanwhile, even though it would've been awkward, the Duchess of Sussex would've been invited had she joined her husband in returning to the UK.

I'm curious what the relationship to those three German princes is. I'd never heard of them before.

Philipp, Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg, is the grandson of Princess Margarita, Philip's eldest sister.

Bernhard, Hereditary Prince of Baden, is the grandson of Princess Theodora, another sister of Prince Philip.

Donatus, Landgrave of Hesse is head of the House of Hesse which, among other connections, was the house into which two of Prince Philip's sisters married - Cecilie and Sophie.

So, in sum, two grand-nephews and a distant cousin.

R161 there was a report Harry took Meghan and the baby to the island. Don't know if it's true.

R163 I don't know if she's not on the island. Diana's idiot user brother did an interview in the early 2000s and said Charles had never been to Diana's Island, but had an open invitation to do so. Doubt he would dare say that if she wasn't actually buried there.

Her brother is a hypocritical POS. First of all he refused to allow Diana to move there that last summer, saying the security would inconvenience him. He used and abused every women in his life and was known as a spoiled, entitled asshole throughout his life. He was also a lazy partying drunk.

His eulogy was so laughably dramatic in retrospect.

Margarita is also the name of Princess Margaret's granddaughter, daughter of her son, Earl Snowdon.

It was actually a very nice nod to both Margaret's own family, and Philip's side, and lends a .ore Continental touch to the name. It is also the name of Queen Margrethe of Denmark, to whom both Philip and the Queen are related. The Queen's great-grandmother was Princess Alexandra of Denmark, consort of Edward VIi.

Beautiful name, and as it happens, Lady Margarita looks to be blossoming into one of the family's bona fide beauties, the Lady Helen Taylor of this generation.

Thank you, r167.

Yes it was. You just wanted to slap the smug from his fat, red face.

R173 was meant to respond to R170.

The Mountbattens (formerly the Princes of Battenberg) are really a branch of the House of Hesse, a morganatic branch. Thus, it is logical that they would invite the Head of the House to Philip's funeral.

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And it's SHOWTIME!!

I have to go to a Dr appointment. Damn. Please post the highlights, including witty criticism about fashion choices, micro- aggressive expressions, bitch slaps, Markle jumping out of a church pew naked, ect. Love you all!

Can someone post the links again for SKY News, etc Thanks a lot.

I found one link. Here is Sky News for anyone interested.

I haven't confirmed!

Here, r178. MM's PR just 'accidentally' leaked Archie getting ready for his **first ever** Oprah interview.

The poet laureate, Simon Armitage, has written a poem to mark Philip's funeral.

The Patriarchs – An Elegy

The weather in the window this morning is snow, unseasonal singular flakes, a slow winter’s final shiver. On such an occasion to presume to eulogise one man is to pipe up for a whole generation – that crew whose survival was always the stuff of minor miracle, who came ashore in orange-crate coracles, fought ingenious wars, finagled triumphs at sea with flaming decoy boats, and side-stepped torpedoes.

Husbands to duty, they unrolled their plans across billiard tables and vehicle bonnets, regrouped at breakfast. What their secrets were was everyone’s guess and nobody’s business. Great-grandfathers from birth, in time they became both inner core and outer case in a family heirloom of nesting dolls. Like evidence of early man their boot-prints stand in the hardened earth of rose-beds and borders.

They were sons of a zodiac out of sync with the solar year, but turned their minds to the day’s big science and heavy questions. To study their hands at rest was to picture maps showing hachured valleys and indigo streams, schemes of old campaigns and reconnaissance missions. Last of the great avuncular magicians they kept their best tricks for the grand finale: Disproving Immortality and Disappearing Entirely.

The major oaks in the wood start tuning up and skies to come will deliver their tributes. But for now, a cold April’s closing moments parachute slowly home, so by mid-afternoon snow is recast as seed heads and thistledown.

Beeb

Sky News

You may have to refresh your YouTube screen to "catch up", as it's live.

I fucked up the formatting @ R183 by copying and pasting - the proper formatting is in the Guardian article

For some reason, your links not working r184 and r185. However, this link seems to work for SKY news.

R188 Turn off Link Preview and click the blue link. Worked for me.

I think Sky news is the best one to watch as it has Alistair Bruce running things. He is an actual friend of the Queen's and Philip's. whose parents knew Philip and the Queen in Malta, and who is a solid Royal historian.

David Attenborough's mind is still so sharp at nearly 95

^^^^ I'll oh dear myself: "on Malta", not "in Malta"

Both the Beeb and Sky are gonna crap on about the Duke for at least another hour 15 until the real show begins at 14:45 local.

Two massive errors already by American newscasters: Omid Scobie has named one of the attendees as "Earl Snowdon, Princess Margaret's ex-husband (he's been dead for years, the Earl Snowdon attending today is his son, David), and on MSNBC the commenters have already said that it is Harry and Meghan who were married in April - it was the Cambridges who were married in April, Harry and Meghan were married in May.

American news coverage of British royalty is abysmal. Stay away from it.

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Woke up after a couple hours of sleep, decided to get stoned, and turned on the BBC coverage. The higher I get, the more interesting the Duke of Edinburgh gets. I’ve found out how to watch this intelligent programming.

Gyles Brandreth has not been off the TV for the last week

What on earth qualifies Gayle to be the commentator for this event? She has a passing, mutually beneficial, business relationship with an estranged married-in member of the Royal Family. That's it.

Here is the BBC live coverage on youtube. I think Sky is doing a better job.

The Queen looked so jubilant in the footage of her announcing her engagement to Philip

R192, the BBC coverage just had a clip where Philip himself said, "in Malta".

Alan Titchmarsh? Such a random choice

R198 - None. She has no qualifications whatsoever.

What she does have is a direct line to two people who hate the royal family, and whose water she has already obligingly carried, albeit to their eventual detriment. She and Scobie are there to stir the pot. Everyone knows they are both Meghan's mouthpieces - they are, in fact, standing in for Meghan, so she can get the boot in a few more times whilst talking about kindness and compassion.

Wait, Gayle and Scobie are actually AT Windsor? Well, that beats all records for running, standing and jumping gall!

And Meghan's labor starts in 3,2,1.....

Nobody but nobody can do pomp and circumstance quite like the British.

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R206 beat me to it.

R204 - It is likely a CBS feed. I doubt either one would be allowed anywhere near Windsor.

Too bad they have to wear the masks. Looks so ghoulish.

Kate looks well put together. Regal. Very classy, elegant .

R209 Looks like Gayle is in New York and Scobie will be reporting "live from Windsor." I have no intention of watching, are they on yet?

If Kate is wearing a veil the Queen will definitely be wearing a veil. Kate looks stunning, even in that horrible mask.

r201 Thank you for catching that - so I can UN'oh dear' myself for the first time ever on the DL? Yayyyyy

R212 - There is likely a "press enclosure" at Windsor from which stations have gotten space assigned. It doesn't mean they're walking around Windsor with cameras.

Nice digs the Queen has. Looks fabulous on this spring day.

Kate does look great. Is that pearl choker the one Diana wore with the revenge dress?

Lady Penny is a beautiful old lady.

R211 - The choker Kate is wearing is, I think, one that the Queen used to wear and often loaned to Diana. If the ID is correct, and the Queen has given this to Kate to wear (the Queen likely isn't wearing pearl chokers at this age, what with the neck and all), it is another mark of special favour. If the coverage notes the ID, I'm sure the Medusa of Montecito will be throwing more crockery at the walls . . .

Who will have a drink beforehand to steady the buffs? William?

I have to admit I have a soft spot for Gyles Brandreth because of his "Just A Minute" appearances.

If you ever need cheering up, put on some "Just a minute" episodes. They are invariably some of the best radio you'll ever hear and very funny.

Here's a highlight playlist:

[quote]the Queen likely isn't wearing pearl chokers at this age, what with the neck and all)

Marry me, r219

R217 - I think that one had the huge sapphire in the centre. But Diana definitely wore the one with the diamond clasp. State banquet for Dutch royals?

Where is our tiara/jewllery troll to lend a hand?

Zara Tindall is wearing a black fascinator.

r219, "The Medusa of Montecito" is one for the ages.

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Bea looks...pretty. Did she do something to her face?

Covid (and the Harkle plague) has really fucked this funeral up. Philip was involved with 800 charities and none of those people can pay their respects properly. He was a WW2 hero and the family can't represent the Armed Forces. The funeral doesn't really reflect who he was. It's a shame.

R225 They look great. What has he done to be branded a "grifter" though? Another word that gets thrown around with abandon these days, along with "narcissist."

Lady Penny - Looks absolutely grief stricken.

R222 - LOL. My neck's gone, too.

I believe the pearl and diamond earrings are also from the Queen's collection, and were frequently worn by Diana and Kate with the Cambridge Lover's Knot tiara.

Two pieces worn by the Queen, then Diana, and now Kate.

This is Kate getting the boot in without saying a word or leaking a story.

I'm the Bea troll and have always said I find her quite pretty, in an odd way (obviously).

The BBC feed is good cold Saturday-afternoon-on-the-couch viewing. They do do pageantry well.

This music seems awfully cheerful for a funeral.

Is this the official LIVE! funeral thread?

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How do they manage keeping the makeup in place under masks? I would think every turn of the head would rub some off and ruin the look where the skin meets the edges of the mask fabric.

The Japanese Pearl choker necklace from Her Majesty's personal collection was worn by Kate for the Queen and Prince Philip's 70th wedding anniversary dinner at Windsor Castle in 2017, and by her late mother-in-law Princess Diana in 1982.

Info on the choker:

"The Queen loaned it to Diana, who loved pearls, for a banquet given by Queen Beatrix and Prince Claus of the Netherlands at Hampton Court Palace during the Dutch royal family's visit to the UK — one of her first royal engagements a year after her marriage to Prince Charles.

The Queen asked for the four-row Japanese Pearl Choker to be made from 'the finest cultured pearls' which were a gift from the Japanese government. It has four strands of pearls with a central curved diamond clasp.

The Queen wore the choker in the 1980s and 1990s, and to a dinner celebrating former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's 70th Birthday in London in 1995. "

Meghan will be gnashing her chiclet veneers.

Here comes the Land Rover...

Someone should make an official "watch thread"

If Meghan wanted jewels of Royal provenance she would have stayed in good graces.

I know someone in Montecito is in a narc rage. Kate is stunning.

Shall this be out watch thread or a new one?

r237 here is the official watch thread

Actually, R227, Philip was known to have wanted no fuss at his funeral. He'd probably like this pared-down version of things.

I'm loving the Land Rover, though. Very appropriate for a military man.

There's no need for yet another thread. This one is fine.

Looks like I lost that argument ... see you at the 'watch thread'

R238 - She wanted them; she just thought she should get them, anyway.

Did they leave any memorial dents in the Land Rover as a tribute to Philip's impeccable driving skills?

So far it is qutie somber and dignified. I hope Haz and MeMe do not act out. Harry is looking all around while the rest of the family look grief stricken, but hopefully he will control himself.

R115 Viscount Linley IS the Earl of Snowden.

[quote]Two pieces worn by the Queen, then Diana, and now Kate.

And in 15 years, me. Too bad if you're not OK with that, Aunty.

The queen is such a lonely figure...sad. Nice, somber funeral.

William and Harry walking away from the funeral uphill together and chatting .I suspect everything is OK between them.

In its austerity, it was perhaps even more beautiful. I think he would have liked it.

Little known fact: Maya Angelou Was supposed to perform “I know why the caged bird sings” at the funeral per Philip’s instructions, but she died in 2014. Really fucked up his plans.

Also, The Former Guy tried to crash the service and Anne kicked him out.

r251, I doubt everything is truly ok with them underneath. What Harry did was sincerely awful. But it's really good to see them chatting.

Meghan must be in a blind panic right now. What if all it takes to put the first big dent in her brainwashing is spending a really pleasant, if sad, afternoon chatting with the family? You absolutely know that she's madly texting him right now to skip the lunch and COME HOME NOW.

It was a dignified and moving service.

Glad MeMe and her minions had NO impact whatsoever on the day. She will be gone in due time.

Alistair Bruce talking about how little money Philip ever spent on himself, how worn Philip's cap was, and how frugal he was except when it came to buying gifts for the Queen.

Megs is probably furiously texting away right now, trying to tell Harry to come home, but his phone is turned off and he's busy chatting happily to the family she hates so much. She must be fuming right now after seeing him making it up with William and Kate.

MSNBC did a bit better identifying Earl Snowden as a cousin of the Queen. Nephew, cousin—close enough. However, points deducted for referring to William as “Wills.”

They looked so silly in morning coats. I really missed the uniforms. Fuck you, MM.

r226 A glow of pregnancy?

r225 What makes you think that?

r227 At some point I expect there will be a huge memorial service when all those people are invited along with friends and the full family.

I doubt it, r262. I think this was it.

You know that iconic shot of Kate in the car is eating the Douche$$ of $u$$ex alive.

Meghan does know the value of a good “iconic” shot. I mean that as a sort of compliment, she’s savvy that way. So yeah.

Bea's last look at the coffin was touching. but yeah it does look like she nailed a horse's tail to her head

I wonder if Edward's son is on the autism spectrum; he's not a baby, but they keep tight hold of him. I suppose he could just be really shy, but you sense all is not well with that kid

R251 - Don't be such a sap. That was for the cameras. You really think that suddenly William is all right with the lies Meghan told about William's wife and the family? About how she and Harry poisoned their grandmother's last couple of months with her husband? And then Harry had to pop in and whinge over the body about his fucking uniform?

Harry went up to Kate and started talking to her. She had no choice, with the cameras on her, but to appear civil. This was nothing more than a panto for the public.

William isn't the forget and forgive type, especially given the treatment his wife received.

If things were really OK, they wouldn't have put Peter Phillips between them. This was Harry forcing civility for the cameras. It's a tried and true trick.

Severn is 13 years old... not much older than Harry when he walked behind Diana's casket, which everyone agrees was too much too soon. They have generally kept both those kids out of the spotlight at young children but he's a Trooping etc.

R267 I think there is something off but I am not sure that he is on the spectrum. I did notice that he seemed unfazed and had that far off look in the pictures posted during the funeral service. He really has been kept out of the public eye by his parents and that is probably for the best.

What was Princess Anne wearing, exactly?

Lady Louise is blossoming into an attractive young lady.

James was at his grandfather's funeral, it was a solemn occasion, the whole world was watching, he's only 13 and his parents have tried to keep him away from the public glare. How else was he meant to look, especially with the added discomfort of having to wear a mask?

Trust Replikate the narcissist grifter to make the funeral all about HER by debuting a new four strand pearl necklace. Had that been Meghan, the Klan would be baying for her blood.

'Little known fact: Maya Angelou Was supposed to perform “I know why the caged bird sings” at the funeral per Philip’s instructions, but she died in 2014. Really fucked up his plans.'

perform? It's not a song, it's a novel/

If you Google him, there's many pictures where he looks like a totally normal kid and fully engaged. But the majority appear quite reserved. Maybe he is shy. Maybe he hates being on display or it happens so seldom he's uncomfortable with it. I feel bad for anybody who people look at and judge as having something catastrophically wrong with them. It's ridiculous.

Kate was a good choice for William. She is very disciplined, knows her role within the RF and brought with her a very close-knit family that has been an additional support for William. I think she would have stayed with William after the service rather than falling back to leave William alone with Harry had she thought her husband would be uncomfortable with it.

Those brothers have always been close, given the ups and downs with most relationships. Harry and Kate enjoyed a good relationship as well. Meghan disrupted a lot of that. Because she is not present, Harry will have a chance to reconnect with them. I suspect he missed those relationships. Meghan has her "friends" but, in the US, Harry really has only her. I hope he can reconnect emotionally with his brother and SIL. Maybe that will help; him sort out what he really wants.

It's nice that R274 could chime in from Montecito

Trust the idiot at R274 to get it wrong.

The necklace that The Duchess of Cambridge wore isn’t new, it isn’t even hers. It was lent to her by The Queen, as were the earrings.

Kate wouldn’t have had a choice about wearing it - when The Queen offers a piece of jewellery to be worn at an event, it is worn. She had previously lent the necklace to Diana.

The Queen is also quite savvy at sending messages with clothing and jewels - pretty effective this time, I imagine.

Kate looked like a woman of mystery.

At first, I thought her outfit was too fussy with the bow but I don't mind it after I've seen it a number of times. The pearl necklace is classy. I also noticed that Kate appears to have grown out her eyebrows so her face looks softer and less sever.

Kate looked polished, appropriate, and every inch the future queen consort.

[quote]You know that iconic shot of Kate in the car is eating the Douche$$ of $u$$ex alive.

I didn't think about that part, now I like that picture even more.

Who are Meghan's obsessed fangirls? On twitter they appear all to be bitter black women. Meghan wouldn't spit on them if they were on fire, so their devotion appears to be misplaced.

Kate looked spectacular today. The picture of her in the car reminded me of Diana’s amazing eyes.

Diana had the most beautiful eyes, I always find myself drawn to her eyes in every image captured. For that brief moment she channeled Diana.

[quote]The Queen is also quite savvy at sending messages with clothing and jewels - pretty effective this time, I imagine.

She got right up the nose of that Megaloon.

Meghan couldn't have pulled off that classy elegant royal aura if she lived another 100 years. Meghan went back where she belonged-and nothing said that better than the way Kate looked today.

True... you look at her when she was within the ranks of the royal family (Meagain) and she just looked clueless and uncomfortable. That spacey, awkward smile, eyes constantly scanning (looking for the cameras, no doubt)... it was the living, breathing equivalent of the dress wore her, she didn't wear the dress. (Look at any of her appearances, the minute she wasn't centre of attention she might as well have been on Mars.).

She didn't fit because she wasn't there to serve. Or to stay.

While Catherine did look spectacular, the bow was a slight distraction from that fabulous piece of jewelry. I assume the dress was chosen/arranged before the piece was offered, as Catherine doesn’t make such errors.

"In loving memory, Lilibet".

The Queen has quite a hunched back.

Philip and Liz. William and Kate. Harry......Andrew....Anne.....

I can call them by their first names because we're so close.......

When they were young, Elizabeth and Philip were an attractive pair.

Yes r291 she’s probably surrounded by people who don’t dare mention her bad posture.

Why was Harry poorly groomed in creased clothing? Everyone else looked well turned out.

Oh shut it about her posture. We are all headed that way.

My grandma is 98 and no hunchback

Did she have a granddaughter-in-law like Markle, R297?

R294, you ignorant twat. Have you no idea what ravages age does to the body? If you last that long, you will remember your petty, small comment from your smugness of youth.

Love Anne's Edward Gorey/P.L. Travers-as-Illustrated-by-Mary Shepard look. She's as stylish as Kate today in a way the conventional will miss . . .

I'm glad Meghan isn't there. Even if it's just for optics, William and Harry speaking to each other is good.

I'm glad Meghan isn't there to disrupt. William and Harry speaking to each other is good...even if it's for optics.

Sorry for the double post...comments are not getting through easily. ^^

Who are all the people who think it's imperative that William and Harry speak to each other at this funeral and weep for joy at these optics?

I suspect a large part of Wills and Kate chatting up Harry was for a very specific audience of one back in California.

Psych!

Kate and William have better things to think about than playing into petty squabbles for the benefit of the public.

I bet his phone never stopped vibrating when she saw that.

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Where RU? Txt during prayer thing. My flowers up front???? HAZ!!!!!!

Jesus, Andrew is ghastly-looking. Like a jaundiced woodchuck.

OMUD sez flowers not down front. MOVE THEM CLOSER!!!!

[Quote]Kate wouldn’t have had a choice about wearing it - when The Queen offers a piece of jewellery to be worn at an event, it is worn.

The other layer to this would be Angela Kelly, the Queen's dresser who I suspect made the choice on behalf of HM. Elizabeth had too much on her mind to concern herself with the jewelry to be worn by Catherine. If anything, she gave a final approval.

You'll recall the Sussexes had a spat with Kelly when they showed up unannounced and demanded the wedding tiara for hairdresser practice. When Harry complained to QE, he had the gall to refer to her, one of the queen's closest confidantes who came from humble working class origins, as "that woman." That woman chose quite a piece for the Duchess to wear.

Good point, R313.

There was no reason for HM to be sitting by herself at the service, and I suspect it was a PR scheme by courtiers. She hosted a retirement ceremony for a former member of her staff a couple of days earlier, and she was around members of her family all week, all of whom were vaccinated. Whatever the reason, it didn't seem appropriate or necessary.

It seems highly unlikely that William and Kate view the interview the Harkles did in which they trashed the BRF as a petty squabble.

didnt Diana used to wear the three strand pearl necklace Catherine wore today? What’s missing is the large central sapphire, which I think was a brooch and a gift from The QM. Maybe that went to Harry.

Yes Diana’s had a large sapphire, I knew something was different but could not recall why.

She had worn that one and the choker you refer to, which is similar but a separate piece. Per the Maul.

R315 No Coronavirus restrictions in UK are that in doors you must socially distance from people you do not live with. The man who retired (the former Lord Chamberlain) has been living with the Queen at Windsor since lockdown. There are plenty of spaces in Windsor where the Queen can meet with family but still be more than 2 meters apart.

This choker fit is different, too. It hangs more loosely below the neck. Diana's sapphire choker wrapped around the neck and didn't look particularly comfortable.

Royal funerals are so hot right now.

Looks different in this picture.

R290 - don't agree. Without that bow, that black crepe would have been far too severe. Those four strands of pearls, diamond clasp, and pearl and diamond earrings can stand up to anything. The asymmetrical bow was perfect.

R233 - That's because it's not the same choker. That choker features a brooch given to Diana as a wedding present by the Queen Mother, a huge sapphire surrounded by diamonds. And the strands are shorter and closer fitting, as well. It's a totally different piece. Diana didn't need to ask the Queen for a loan of this: it was Diana's own.

The choker Kate is wearing is called the Japanese Pearl Choker, and was made up of top quality pearls given to the Queen as a gift decades ago by the Japanese people. The Queen had the choker made up of those pearls, and added the semi-circular diamond clasp. It's also slightly looser fitting. The Queen leant it to Diana on a couple of occasions, and now to Kate.

It looks different because it IS different: a totally different piece.

R318 - Sapphires were Diana's signature jewel, both because of the engagement ring she chose, and her huge blue eyes.

Amongst her wedding gifts were the huge sapphire brooch centering that pearl choker, and a demi-parure from , I think, the Saudis, featuring a huge oval diamond sapphire hung on a necklace of diamonds, a sapphire and diamond bracelet, sapphire and diamond earrings, and, I believe a ring to match, although I'm not sure about that last.

She wore the necklace and earrings a great deal, including in that first rapturous big tour of Australia.

Catherine was a stunning beauty today, so effortless and yet preternatural. I love her.

It always amazes me how sometimes, depending on the angle of the photo, Diana looks like she had an unset broken nose. And then it looks perfectly fine in others.

I think Kate is actually a nice person. She is someone who wants to keep the peace, and doesn’t like turmoil or infighting in her life. Yes, I did hear it from a friend who heard it from a friend who is close to her family

Blue was Diana’s color and sapphires came to life when paired with her eyes. I can’t think of anyone that looked as good in sapphires and pearls.

[quote] Blue was Diana’s color and sapphires came to life when paired with her eyes.

Mary!

R89 So true. TOO true!

Yes, Katherine is looking also rather more 'regal' than usual. Perfect note plus he overall poise - great combination. Changing track for a second....anyone else wondering why Charles seemed particularly broken up (at least on camera) compared to siblings. All the others seemed a bit more composed. Just curious given he didn't seem to be particularly close to his "pa." Wondering, if rather, the stress on Charles is perhaps more indicative of the looming sense of dread relating to his 'next burial.' He seems pretty fragile, overall though - hope his health sustains.

I was surprised by how good Timothy Laurence looks. You wouldn't know he's as old as he is.

And despite his baldness, the Viscount Lynley looked good--he's lost quite a bit of weight, and he's better looking now than any of the Queen's sons.

R278 you’re on very thin ice bringing up yachting!

So many desperate ugly fraus on this thread fawning over wrinkled harpy Kate.

I was thinking the same. The images of Charles hospital visit should have been a clue that Philip was not long for this world.

I was under the impression that Charles and his father were not very close.

'Just curious given he didn't seem to be particularly close to his "pa."'

Your idea of their relationship comes from watching the Crown. You have no idea whether they were close or not. Charles was also seen crying in the car on his way back from the hospital.

[quote] Changing track for a second....anyone else wondering why Charles seemed particularly broken up (at least on camera) compared to siblings. All the others seemed a bit more composed. Just curious given he didn't seem to be particularly close to his "pa."

I think it was a lot of buried love and a lot of guilt. He opened up to everyone in the early 90s about his emotional difficulties with his father, and I'm sure that caused his father a lot of heartache and embarrassment back then, and Charles knew it. Also, Charles always felt he was a disappointment to his father, who made clear to Charles he thought he was too sensitive and wimpy.

Richard Nixon just sobbed and sobbed openly at his wife Pat's nationally televised funeral, and it was the same thing there. He had never treated her well (some say he even beat her), but she had always stood by him and supported him, even though she was by all accounts deeply humiliated by his resignation. If you watch the video footage of him crying at the funeral, it's almost horrible because he's so openly emotional.

Good observation R333. When the Queen goes, he's next in line to be King. ...stressful.

Charles and Philip had greatly repaired their relationship after Diana's death, and then even more after Charles's marriage to Camilla.

The big problems standing in Charles's way of his relationship with his father were first his anger over having been sent to Gordonstoun, which he hated and which no other adult in his family really wanted him to do, and also his difficulties with Diana, since Philip liked her so much initially and felt such similarity between them (because of their situations coming into the family from outside and marrying the heir to the throne).

Charles was by all accounts so much happier when he married Camilla that he was much nicer to everyone and less sulky. And when his mother has needed his help in the last decade, he's been very able and unstinting. Philip always appreciates ability.

[quote] And despite his baldness, the Viscount Lynley looked good

Sorry, he's no longer the Viscount Lynley--his son is. He's now the Earl of Snowdon.

Timothy Laurence is four or five years younger than Anne.

341 That is what I remember from several years ago. I am glad that Charles and his father became closer.

R333, I wondered if Charles's distress might be partly due to his estrangement from Harry. We know that that definitely wasn't manufactured by the media, because Harry himself confirmed they were no longer speaking. Charles is already seventy-two, and the death of a parent often gives people a jolt as to their own mortality. He may be worrying that he and Harry won't reconcile before his own death. Add to this the fact that he did love Philip deep down, strained though their relationship was at times.

[quote] Timothy Laurence is four or five years younger than Anne.

Even so, he looks great for 66.

Bingo, r345. That's what I'm getting. Something pretty vicious going on to elevate this to high stress levels.

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Sometimes grief is not just about a person but also the history they embodied, and the reminder of our mortality. Bittersweet.

Kate looked impeccable today.

Kate is everything Markle wants to be bust isn't.

Kate always looks great. She seems the most stable, most suited for her role in the BRF.

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The Duchess of Cambridge always looks anorexic. Today she looked great, despite looking anorexic. But maybe the shots were taken from a distance or reflected in a carnival mirror.

I don't think Harry would have been chatting so casually with William and Kate if either of them had made the infamous skin colour enquiry. I think it was one of the older generation.

[quote]made the infamous skin colour enquiry

Don't believe everything you hear .... especially from an interview created for profit .... its easy to take things out of context for a sound-bite ...

Anderson Cooper referred to Windsor Castle as the Queen’s country home!

R357 Good lord. He of all people should know better. Unless he’s dumbing it down for the hoi polloi.

I expect CNN's coverage rivalled the "Talking to Americans" skits on 'This Hour Has 22 Minutes'

Zara may also be angry at the stress Philip and the Queen were put under, it may even have hastened Philip's death. If looks could kill...

r277 He definitely has a decent resemblance to Prince William up to a point in my opinion.

R277, they have robbed their own kids of those family memories and relationships.

r337 apparently since he married Camilla 16 years ago they have become much closer gradually.

All of the wreaths were white, but one. Guess who sent that one? Guess who also put out a press release about it? Was the color purple meant to send some message? Does she have some sort of oppositional defiant disorder or something? You don't send garish purple flowers to a FUNERAL.

Some of the images after the service are interesting.

R364, she didn’t just do a PR release about the flowers, she specifically identified the florist who did the arrangement. So the arrangement was done as some sort of quid pro quo — “do this for me, and I’ll get you publicity”? For funeral flowers? That’s supremely tacky.

Plus, the flowers were ugly and garish.

Maybe Lady Colin Campbell was corredct that Anne expressed concerns about Meghan while they were dating. Any reservations have been more than justified in the past few weeks. After all, they may literally have hastened Philip's death and they continued to try to extort the family until days before his death.

R366, it was noteable that there was no publicity about any of the other family wreaths.

[quote] All of the wreaths were white, but one. Guess who sent that one? Guess who also put out a press release about it? Was the color purple meant to send some message? Does she have some sort of oppositional defiant disorder or something? You don't send garish purple flowers to a FUNERAL.

*sighs*

White is not on trend for flowers for 2021.

Purple is the color of both Prince and the Vikings, so maybe it was Meghan's shout-out to the sufferings in Minnesota this week.

Someone else who increasingly seems to be sharing a PR connection was also merching at the funeral.

"Eugenie, who is the daughter of Prince Andrew and Sarah, Duchess of York, wore her brunette tresses in a natural wave across her shoulders and donned a £5,690 Franz Knotted Trench coat, by Gabriela Hearst, as she arrived by car this afternoon ahead of the service."

Purple could also be a shout-out to Oprah (The Color Purple).

This is just like the PoW investiture, but Meghan is not there to blame for the pushing in. The series of photos, in hopes of later financial gain from creating an artificial perception is pretty shocking given they are literally entering a church for his grandfather's funeral. Wow.

R360 & R365 Yeah I noticed Zara's major side eye towards Harry and also Harry twice seemed to smile towards Anne to get her attention and she was having NONE of it. Also Right at the end of the service as they are all walking out of the Chapel, Lady Louise (Edward & Sophie's daughter) gave Harry such a clear "fuck you glare" it was heaven...and Sophie completely turn her back the moment she saw him coming her way.

Tim, Anne's son, was turned away from him in the chapel.

It may well have been Anne who expressed reservations about Meghan's suitability for the role. Not sure what she had to do with raising the age for his inheritance, anyone?

r375 Tim Annes son?Do you mean her husband or her son Peter?

R371 Eugenie's husband Jack Brooksbank works for George Clooney (who was at H&M's wedding and is allegedly a friend of H&M). Eugenie/Jack (possibly Beatrice too) are totally working behind the scenes with H&M.

Sorry, Tim, Anne's husband. They were seated in the same row with Haz.

There does seem to be an overlap in their PR representation too, R377. Today Eugenie merched her coat and handbag and MeAgain merched the floral wreath. There were word choices and phrasing common to the York memorial statement and the one written for Harry. Now we hear that Andrew sympathizes with him. Harry and Meghan are snakes in the grass and clearly may not be the only ones.

r378 It is very puzzling to figure out.I mean Fergie was texting support to Piers Morgan who is the arch enemy of Meghan.

What is this about Andrew feeling sympathy for Harry?Where did you read that?

R377 Yup! People have overlooked this fact. Meghan befriend Eugenie because of both her and Jack's connections. It's also the reason why Meghan did not go after Andrew in that interview (I was totally expecting her to) until I found out about Jack's connection's to Clooney. Eugenie hates Charles for his plans to slim down the monarchy and is defiantly aligned with Harry and Meghan. My guess is when the Queen is gone, Eugenie is going to try and commercialize her connections just like the H&M. This is why the royals need to cut the Yorks and H&M out of the royal fold forever.

R374 Lady Louise was very close to Philip as he was the one who inspired her love of carriage driving and she seems to have inherited his "no fuss" attitude. I expect she's going to be a lot like Princess Anne as she gets older.

r380 But something does not make sense so I am not sure what to think. Firstly Eugenies mother sending supportive texts to Meghan and Harrys arch nemesis Piers Morgan? Rumours that Charles or William is paying both Eugenie and Beatrice an annual fee to keep them loyal and perhaps availiable for royal duties in the future?

Also Eugenie and Beatrice but especially Eugenie are very good friends with some of the grandchildren of Princess Alexandra and I am aware that Princess Alexandras grandchildren are quite upset at the allegation that some people within the royal family are racist which Meghan made. something is not adding up with some of the theories being floated around. I also think we need to take into account that prince Charles plans for a slimmed down monarchy included and banked on Harry and his spouse(at the time the plans were conceived many years ago Harrys future spouse was a hypothetical) being part of it and fulfilling royal duties .In their absence it is conceivable that plans to ask other royals to fulfill some of these roles are now being considered which would blow a hole in some of the theories being mooted.

🐭 Nobody sprews hatred like a jealous know it all gay frauman.

I've scanned the thread and I don't think this has already been said, but I noticed Kate chatting to Harry on the steps of the chapel when they came back out. As they began to walk back William joined in, while Kate kept on talking to Harry, and then after William and Harry seemed to have a conversation going on, Kate stepped back to walk with Sophie.

If that really was what it looked like, she's a class act indeed. (And I bet she made Meghan cry again, yay!)

R382 you need a subeditor.

Phillip had Covid last year. He was 99 years old. Maybe he just never really recovered from Covid and the family just said “he’s fine” and glossed it over because they (he) wanted to keep it private. He seems to have had frail health afterwards. At his age it doesn’t take much.

My grandfather died at over 100 because he went to the hospital for a routine procedure and caught pneumonia when he was there. He was in stable health before he went to the hospital. When people get very old, they can’t fight illness like before. And Phillip seems to have been declining for some time. They likely knew he didn’t have long.

R386 Philip never had COVID. Charles and William (maybe Catherine) had COVID but not Philip.

Don’t make stuff up, R386 - you only look stupid.

[quote]Purple is the color of both Prince and the Vikings, so maybe it was Meghan's shout-out to the sufferings in Minnesota this week.

Purple is also the color of Donny Osmond's socks so maybe she was trying to send a message to the Osmond family? Support for the Mormon community.

Philip was going to die soon anyway, everyone. 99 is pretty old, it doesn’t take much to “hasten” the death of a recently discharged 99 year old patient. They’ve been rehearsing his funeral for 10 years or more. The Queen didn’t even live with him, he stayed at a quiet house on the grounds of one of the residences.

I'm pretty sure the stress of Megan killed him as opposed to the stress of Prince Andrew being accused by the FBI of kiddie-fiddling.

Corky from What is Life Obladi was there.

There was a fabulous subtle bitch slap to Clearance House in The Times yesterday:

"As the royal family emerged from the chapel, Kate, who William has called a “peacemaker”, began chatting animatedly to Harry, who seemed to visibly relax, no longer on his own. Then, in an unexpected change of plan, instead of getting into their cars separately, waiting for them outside the chapel, the royal family decided to walk back to the castle together, with William and Harry finally side by side, chatting together all the way up Chapel Hill.

A source close to the Sussexes confirmed that Meghan, who is heavily pregnant with their second child and was advised not to travel, watched the service from the couple’s home in California.

In their own tribute, Harry and Meghan arranged for a wreath to be by Philip’s side, one of nine family wreaths lying next to his coffin during the service. Arranged by Willow Crossley, the florist who created the flowers at the evening reception for their 2018 wedding and for their son Archie’s christening, the blooms included Bear’s breeches, the national flower of Greece, in tribute to Philip’s heritage and sea holly to represent the Royal Marines, of which Philip was Captain General for 64 years, a position Harry also held until earlier this year.

There were also campanula for gratitude and everlasting love, lavender for devotion, and a private, handwritten message from Meghan, 39, on behalf of them both. [bold]The rest of the royal family kept the details of their floral tributes private.[/bold]"

Still giggling at that one. Meow, but true.

R391 - For the umpteenth time, "kiddie-fiddling" wasn't in the accusations. The woman in question was 17, the age of sexual consent. Having sex with women being forced into it by his pal Jeffrey Epstein was the issue, and what Andrew did or didn't know about Epstein's engagement in under-age girls.

Paedophilia means sexual interest in people UNDER TWELVE.

Andrew is a mindless, bloated, self-entitled twat with low inhibition controls who was spoilt by his mother, and whose inability to exercise self-control and see the handwriting on the wall finally caught up with him.

But he wasn't a "kiddie-fiddler" and not a single legal accusation paints him as such.

Harry and Andrew have a great deal in common. Neither of them know when to keep their cake-holes shut, both have recently been effectively marginalised via television interviews that both of them idiotically thought would benefit them, just as Diana and Charles did 25 years ago.

You'd think they'd have learned something from the Panorama and Dimbleby interviews. Well, one may suppose Charles has, as he bitterly watches his feckless dimwitted mentally unstable younger son follow in Charles' footsteps, but in all the wrong ones.

R393, the appropriate thing to do was to keep the details of their floral tributes private.

Andrew has never been accused of kiddie-fiddling by the FBI, r391.

Philip was hospitalized the day after the family was told of the Oprah interview, not the day after Andrew"s. Then there were repeated attempts to shake down the family throught the global media. May this have hastened his death? It certainly put the family under tremendous ongoing stress, and the ongoing pressure tactics were another choice. When a 99 year old spends 30 days in the hosptial, conclusions that his health is fragile are obvous. Decency was an option, but the Harkles saw an opportunity, a vulnerability. They were still issuing threats through Scobie and demanding a public apology from the BRF to Meghan just days before Philip's death. It was clear that many in the family, and many in the public, will not forget their actions.

You have to figure, too, the vast majority of the family must expect the marriage to fail so if you are going to pick sides - and to some degree you have to - who are you going to side with, the present Queen and future kings ... or those two?

r390 You sound semi sociopathic in your moral calculus to downplay opportunistically swooping like a vulture on a family when an elderly member is in their final year of life.

Purple is considered to be one of the colors or mourning.

You queens would have bitched regardless of whether or not Harry and Megs sent a floral arrangement.

I don't mind the wreath but the obnoxious merching they did with that wreath.

[quote]donned a £5,690 Franz Knotted Trench coat, by Gabriela Hearst, as she arrived by car this afternoon ahead of the service."

I don't know that she promoted that coat well; granted, she just had a baby & she's short, so long coats don't look as good on her as they do someone tall & slender like Kate, but that coat looked baggy & ill fitting. She hasn't lost the baby weight, but that coat made her look bulkier. So maybe Eugenie & Megs hawking your brand isn't necessarily so great.

That said, I think Bea looked lovely. I know other posters dissed her appearance, but I thought that simple pillbox hat & coat (though I didn't like the pockets on the boobs) was very tasteful.

I don't know if anyone else is picking up on this...but anyway, noticing the sense of rapid-fire type desperation coming out of MM camp. The flurry of recent PR messages, non-stop (we forgive, floral tribute information, MM and Philip were close, etc) shows that there is a sense of "Save me - I'm falling into the quicksand" over in Montecito. Thrown in Omid Scuttle, Gayle King (loyal PR shills) for good measure, the perpetual looming presence of Oprah (waiting for the next "shock" interview), and you quickly see that these are tactics from a "losing" camp. Not the winning camp.

The temporary silence today from Montecito - or "cease fire" must be unnerving for MM - who is constantly recalibrating every second of her life to maintain relevancy and meaning. What kind of "talk" will Charles be having with Dim? An unscripted talk with no MM to control every input or output. How does the BRF 'negotiate" with Harry when Harry can't think or make a move without his wife's approval. As another poster mentioned, people only become more of what they already are. Except Harry is now dealing with a grief-stricken on top of betrayed, on top of deeply hurt BRF.

Good Luck with that.

R399 has stated her boundaries

Please, please, please let MM’s note be photographed. I’m sure it was written in her very best swashes & flourishes calligraphy.

No, R404, R399 stated the truth.

The Medusa of Montecito. HAHAHAHA! Thanks, DL.

It was brilliant to publish all the details of how the procession was to go, so Harry pulling stunts for PR would stand out. What an asshole, on top of extorting his family and refusing to see his dying grandfather, he had to force proximity so he could monetize perceptions and images. He and his wife deserve one another, just disgusting trash humans. They were continuing to issue threats and demands for the family to publically apologize to MeMe until DAYS before his death. Not only are they trash, they are sociopathic thugs pressing for advantage at a time of vulnerability. Happily, they seem desperate, misearable and are their own worst enemies. Karma.

This is all blowing up in their faces fairly spectacularly. Catherine is such an asset to the family and the Firm, hope William realizes what a gem she is. His children are quite lucky too.

[quote]It was brilliant to publish all the details of how the procession was to go, so Harry pulling stunts for PR would stand out.

Hmm, I didn't think about that; I wondered why they were making such a big deal out of the position each person was walking, but it makes sense that if the plan was communicated ahead of time, anyone who steps out of line is going to look like the fool, rather than the person(s) they try to push out of their way. Good observation.

This MM/Harry obsession is absurd. You cunts really need a life.

The Harkles publicizing the details of the funeral wreath is truly one of the trashiest things ever.

The photos of him doing it were posted on one of these threads. Literally as they are about to walk into a church for his grandfather's funeral he is pulling PR stunts. And the Duch of Woke was not there, so it was all on him. Says a lot and none of it appealing. The wealthy value loyalty and discretion. The leaking of those phone calls and the continued acting out, the blatant attempts at extortion when Philip was dying and tantrums about dress up have really exposed Harry for who he always has been. That Palace PR was masterful but had little to do with Harry. His image will never recover and he has little else. William chose a career he could fall back on, a wife who is an asset and who added a stable and wealthy family for support. I'd say maybe Harry could go live with Thomas in Mexico but oops, he's never met the man.

Trevor and Corey were apparently given the same Markle treatment, isolated, repeated police calls, etc. but they have gone on to much better things. Somehow, I suspect Harry will not. Time will tell.

It was also garish, ugly and stood out, R411. I suspect we will be regaled with the details of her note once her court case wraps.

I hope this funeral is not open to the public. He's not worth getting Covid !!!

Oh, I'm on it, R413!

And when Gayle says she's on it, she means cutting and pasting from an email.

What’s his claim to fame ? It seems he doesn’t’ have any accomplishments.

If it is true that no one will inherit from Philip until after the Queen's death, Harry might want to work on that divorce pronto. And STOP stressing out a 95 year old and threatening her.

"And STOP stressing out a 95 year old and threatening her."

But he's not, Rose R418.

Excellent comment, r403. Thank you.

Oh dear.

Not so bewildering though, is it?

The Queen is doing a masterful job steering the Firm through this, the Harkles look worse by the day, with no one to blame but themselves.

R419 Oh yes he is. Because Harry realizes that once Gramma is gone, all this threats, whingeing, trantrums, extortions, etc. etc. etc. will fall on deaf ears.

Why would anyone not employed and/or obsessed by MM/Harry want to limit people here from commenting, R410?

Especially given that more than three-quarters of your posts are - wait for it - in threads about MM and Harry and Phillip's funeral calling people cunts who don't think the Harkles walk on water.

You seem to understand pointless bitchery quite well when you write it so what's the problem when others do?

I do feel a bit for Charles, R403, and I have never been particularly interested. He looked shattered at the funeral and then he had to deal with his malicious, spiteful, dangerous middle aged man-child.

If your extended family does not have a Harry or MeMeMe, count yourself luckly. They are hellacious and can be counted on for destructive behavior at times of grief or need. Philip calling her "destructive" was putting it mildly and Harry has been a cause for concern for most of his life. This will not end well for him. The Firm will continue, despite their delusions.

Bullshit, R422. Nothing you say makes any sense, Queen Mary.

R425 Take off your blinkers, child. THEN it will make perfect sense.

Not so sure R422. Charles seems like he carries a ton of guilt and could be an easy mark for the Harkles.

Sure, Jan R425. You know ALL about them.

LMFAO!

Sorry, that was R426.

STILL LMFAO!

Agree, R427.

The reign of William will be something else entirely.

The Queen was wise to overrule Charles in issuing a point by point rebuttal. She and her advisers have handled this quite deflty. The arrangements for yesterday re: dress and position too. Had we not known who was to walk where, Harry's antics might have gone unnoticed. Had some worn uniforms, there was a possiblity that Harry or Andrew would show up in one. As it was, Harry looked a bit disheveled, with wrinkled clothes that did not match or fit well. The rumors of addiction may well be true.

Wait a second. Harry looked disheveled? Someone post a photo of that, because from what I saw, no one looked disheveled.

The idea that the queen is being threatened by Harry is laughable. The interview revealed both MM and Harry as very careful whenever she was mentioned, and when she was mentioned, it was only to praise her. Wake up, child R426. You're dreaming.

Of course he wasn't disheveled, R431. It's the MM/Harry loons.

I kind of savour that moment the facts cannot be ignored, panic sets in and she settles for a deal to do a reality show.

R432, Harry and Meghan didn't threaten the Queen in their interview. However, what they said threatened her life's work.

[quote]There were also campanula for gratitude and everlasting love, lavender for devotion, and a private, handwritten message from Meghan, 39, on behalf of them both. The rest of the royal family kept the details of their floral tributes private."

[quote]Still giggling at that one. Meow, but true.

What are you giggling at r393? They did EXACTLY what they were supposed to do, keeping their tributes private. You think Me-again's endless pr merching on the backs of her husband's late grandfather and his funeral service is what's expected? Smh.

And you think The Times was 'bitch-slapping' Clarence House and BP. ON WHAT PLANET. That's wasn't a criticism directed at them dear. It was clearly directed at another party. Think further to the west, near the beach.

You KNOW it is coming, R434.

Perhaps you missed this, R435? It continued until days before Philip's death.

The Harkles didn't mention The Queen directly, but they trashed the institution that she has been the head of for over 60 years.

Seconding r420. That is an excellent comment. The 2nd paragraph is worth repeating:

[quote]The temporary silence today from Montecito - or "cease fire" must be unnerving for MM - who is constantly recalibrating every second of her life to maintain relevancy and meaning. What kind of "talk" will Charles be having with Dim? An unscripted talk with no MM to control every input or output. How does the BRF 'negotiate" with Harry when Harry can't think or make a move without his wife's approval. As another poster mentioned, people only become more of what they already are. Except Harry is now dealing with a grief-stricken on top of betrayed, on top of deeply hurt BRF.

Can't stop, won't stop!

"what they said threatened her life's work."

Hardly, R435. That's ludicrous. I can assure you the entirety of the UK is behind her and her life's work over anything the Harkles can possibly say or do.

R436, you need to calm down, read carefully and then feel like a tool.

Whenever I want a good laugh I check into any of the thousand Harkle threads on DL and read you bitches going at it with one another.

I think the negress Meghan will be happy if HM dies next.

Truth be told, R444, I'm one of them and I am here for the fun of it.

R445, fuck off with that bullshit. You're probably a Megaloon trying reverse psychology.

So, about the procession into the Chapel, LSA has pictures of Harry switching over to walk behind William.

Was this the plan all along? Or did Harry go rogue?

Does anyone have a link to the order of the original plan for procession inside the Chapel?

[quote]Harry and Meghan arranged for a wreath to be by Philip’s side, one of nine family wreaths lying next to his coffin during the service. Arranged by Willow Crossley...

Did Willow Crossley provided the flowers free of charge in exchange for Harry and Meghan promoting their business?

R447... I think precedence kicked in at the chapel so William ranks ahead of Harry.

R416 Gayle and Oprah are nothing but snake oil salesmen. It was completely obvious when she started promoting "Dr." Phil and "Dr." Oz. Oprah was friends with Harvey Weinstein (allegedly not booking guests that he blacklisted) and then gave that speech at the Golden Globes about the Metoo movement but has never actually spoken out against Weinstein. She just claims they weren't friends.

R70 - it's interesting you would say that about Diana being bipolar because that is exactly what my late partner at the time said. As a renowned ob-gyn, he saw some patients who showed the same behavior patterns during pregnancy (her suicide attempts, crying spells, weight cycling), and about the same type of impulsive behavior around 35 (when hormones start to change). He said that he also suspected bipolar disorder was what really killed Diana. That being said, in 1997, he also said some women were not medicine compliant because of the adverse side effects of mood stabilizers (weight gain, etc.), which of course he tried to encourage them to work with their psychiatrist on.

"He said that he also suspected bipolar disorder was what really killed Diana."

What really killed Diana was a drunk driver, R451.

Why would Harry have been rogue? He moved to walk behind William, a show of deference. Hah I knew people would analyze the funeral to death and discover deep meaning in innocuous acts.

R447... I am wrong... because Peter Phillips stayed beside William and Anne stayed beside Charles. This logic is hard to figure. It could be they opted for a model where the eldest heir led the groups of his children and grandchild because it shifts to Charles and Anne, Andrew and Edward, William and Peter, Harry, paired with Snowdon and then Laurence at the back. That's the only pattern I can see. Unless William put his foot down and said not beside me.

Ah, the intrigue of it all!

HAHA HAHA HAHA!

Diana was not bipolar. She had issues for sure, and if she’d married the right person for her temperament who wasn’t the future king ( and who not only didn’t love her, but was unsympathetic to her),, in all likelihood she may have gotten help, or may not have needed it at all.

If you're not British and you care about any of these people, you're losers. Even if you are British, you're losers.

R447, it was always the plan to switch to double file once inside the chapel. I read about it beforehand.

Walking to the chapel the order had Peter in between William and Harry, this was covered extensively in the media and other threads.

Entering the chapel, it was to be Peter next to William and Harry behind Peter.

Harry could not even comply with this, desperate to get the images of himself and William in the same frame so he could monteize the connection. So, he shifted around, with the images captured in the link above. This was literally as they were entering the chapel for his grandfather's funeral, in a procession headed by grief stricken Charles and Anne. Horrendous and revealing of Haz's character and goals. It was clever of the palace to publicize the plans, if it was a test, Haz failed. HAD to get those images to sell the access that he actually no longer and never again will have.

Do you really care about this, R459?

R458, yes, but Harry was to walk behind PETER.

He manuevered around so as to be behind William so as to be in the same photo frame. That was NOT the intended procession and in the photos in the link above you can see it created confusion. Harry needed those photos to monetize.

"That was NOT the intended procession"

SEND HIM TO THE TOWER!!!

R451, I find it quite plausible, perhaps Harry as well.

She was treated by psychiatrists beginning on her honeymoon, compliance IS difficult with bipolar in particular. And yes, hormones shifting in mid-life can be an issue. She really was spinning in the months before her death and exhibiting very poor judgement. The hundreds of phone calls a day, bringing her young sons along with someone like Fayed, even the public was begining to turn on her.

Diana suffered from a bipolar disorder so intense it made that driver get drunk beforehand and drive 85 mph in a tunnel!

The Earl of Snowden was to walk behind William into the chapel, see link. However Harry needed to be in the frame. So, he pulled a stunt as they entered the church. Nothing is too low or money grubbing for the Harkles, not even merching a funeral wreath.

There comes a point when cunting on a particular subject is just embarrassing, even on DL. Case in point: R465.

Seriously r465. You appear deranged. There’s plenty to examine about Harry without making stuff out of nothing.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Oh dear, R468. If in public view this will surely help Harry in his attempts to monetize family connections.

Feel a bit sorry for Charles, he looked devestated yesterday and now he has to deal with this shit. However, Diana was quite off, a psychiatrist was engaged on the honeymoon, so a child like Harry could have been an expected outcome. Bet MeMeMe ordered him to record on his phone.

R433 - did you see the back of Harry's hairy neck? Disheveled!

R470, either you are royally pranking us, or you have waaay too much time on your hands.

Dim reportedly will - with Charles and a selfie-stick - 'take walk to view floral tributes to Prince Philip.'

[quote]take walk to view floral tributes to Prince Philip.

Dad, you were a shitty parent and I demand more money or we're going back to Oprah.

r459 I don't put this sort of behavior past Harry but I'm unclear how exactly he would monetize photos of himself standing next to William. Could you clarify your thoughts/theories? Thanks

Really, R474? Do we need to hear again from R459?

Suggests he is still "in" with the BRF, R474, the ONLY thing that is at all interesting about him. He did not know how they would react to his approach after the service, so he wanted that image of both of them.

"the ONLY thing that is at all interesting about him. "

If he's so boring, why are you so obsessed by him, R476?

The Maul says he's flying back to Clearance House tomorrow.

Interesting that Harry isn't sticking around for The Queen's birthday

If that's true, R479, that's pretty low of him. Not to encourage the crazed Harry hater here!

I sense a Charlottian: You're not coming coming on.

(This is big and real news. Gordon Raynor is close to the top of the heap in The Telegraph hierarchy and he doesn't write on Royals often.)

Royal summit to decide future of monarchy to be led by Prince Charles and Prince William

The death of Prince Philip and Sussexes' decision to step back from duties will require a rethink of how the sovereign should be supported

By Gordon Rayner, ASSOCIATE EDITOR 18 April 2021 • 8:00pm

The Prince of Wales and the Duke of Cambridge will hold a summit to decide the future of the monarchy over the next two generations following the death of the Duke of Edinburgh. In consultation with the Queen, Britain’s next two kings will decide how many full-time working members the Royal family should have, who they should be, and what they should do.

The death of Prince Philip has left the Royal family with the immediate question of how and whether to redistribute the hundreds of patronages he retained.

Meanwhile the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s decision to step back from royal duties, confirmed only last month after a one-year “review period”, has necessitated a rethink of who shouldsupport the sovereign in the most high-profile roles.

Royal insiders say that the two matters cannot be decided in isolation, as the issues of patronage and personnel are inextricably linked.

Because any decisions made now will have repercussions for decades to come, the Prince of Wales will take a leading role in the talks. He has made it clear that the Duke of Cambridge, his own heir, should be involved at every stage because any major decisions taken by 72-year-old Prince Charles will last into Prince William’s reign.

The Earl and Countess of Wessex, who were more prominent than almost any other member of the Royal family in the days leading up to the Duke’s funeral, are expected to plug the gap left by the departure of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex by taking on more high-profile engagements.

However, they already carry out a significant number of royal duties – 544 between them in the last full year before Covid struck – meaning they will not be able to absorb the full workload left by the absences of the Sussexes and the Duke of York, who remains in effective retirement as a result of the Jeffrey Epstein scandal.

In 2019 the Sussexes and the Duke completed 558 engagements between them. It leaves the Royal family needing to carry out a full-scale review of how their public duties are fulfilled.

Not only do they have three fewer people to call on, they must also decide what to do with several hundred patronages and military titles held by the Duke of Edinburgh, the Sussexes and possibly the Duke of York, if his retirement is permanent.

Royal sources said the Queen, the Prince of Wales and the Duke of Cambridge would discuss over the coming weeks and months how the monarchy should evolve.

The issue has been at the top of the Queen and the Prince of Wales’s respective in-trays since the Duke and Duchess of Sussex’s one-year review period of their royal future came to an end last month, but the ill health and subsequent death of Prince Philip forced them to put the matter on hold.

I assume he is being kept far from the Queen, R479.

He showed up disheveled in wrinkled unmatched clothes for the funeral and disrupted the procession in for his own gain. Then afterwards he was jumping and jonesing and rushed out of the church for some more images with William and Catherine, the better to seem marketable as someone with connections to the BRF. He did not even properly bow to the alter in his rush, as is customary in Anglican services, that it was his grandfather's funeral mattered not. Even Andrew followed conventin yesterday, but not Haz. The look of utter contempt Zara is giving him outside the church almost exceeds the cold loathing from Edward, Sophie and Louise. Haz has a stare down with Anne in front of the clergyman, adds credence to the theory of Lady Colin Campbell to me that Anne expressed concern about cultural differnces and how well MeMe would fit into the family biz, while they were dating and MeGain twisted and weaponized that. Her story and Harry's did not match on Oprah after all. Harry is a NASTY piece of work and despite his expert PR it is clear that he did not morph from Mr. Rogers into this. He supposedly has been to rehab, when it does not take there are often underlying untreated mental illness issues. His behavior in mid-life is starting to look at lot like the end of his mother's life as she was spinning out. The BRF will survive and William and Catherine will reign as King and Queen Consort.

Harry is the unstable ne'er do well brother - think Jimmy Carter's brother, Bill Clinton's brother, Obama's half brother, the situation in Jordan, Cain and Abel. Harry will never recover from his actions of the past few weeks, the leaked calls, the attempts to extort, the lack of contrition and appropriate dress, grooming and behavior at a funeral seen world wide. No decent people will trust him or want to do business with him, he will attract bottom feeders and be kept at arms length by others. He and Meghan keep escalating their downward slide. It really is quite something.

2 .2.

The Prince of Wales has long favoured a slimmed-down monarchy, originally modelled around a tight core of seven people: the Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh; the Prince of Wales and Duchess of Cornwall; the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge, and Prince Harry.

Although Prince Harry is not in the direct line of succession, his role would have been to support the monarch until the Duke of Cambridge’s children are old enough to take on royal duties themselves.

Royal sources explained that the Prince of Wales and the Duke of Cambridge, with the help of the Queen, would now have to decide whether the monarchy should continue with its traditional model of thousands of engagements each year, spread out between a broad base of full-time and part-time working royals, or cut down the number of engagements and patronages and use fewer members of the family to fulfil them.

One source said: “The question is whether you start off by deciding how many patronages and engagements there should be, and then work out how many people are needed to achieve them, or whether you decide how many people there should be, which will dictate how many engagements and patronages they can take on.”

While the Prince of Wales has followed the traditional model by carrying out more than 500 engagements each year, the Duke of Cambridge favours a more targeted approach, carrying out 220 duties in 2019.

He believes that by restricting the number of organisations he supports, he can make a more meaningful contribution to each one.

It suggests a gradual transition, perhaps over a period of decades, from the current model of as many as 15 working members of the Royal family carrying out more than 3,000 engagements per year, to a handful of senior members who will devote more attention to fewer causes.

Insiders said any changes would happen gradually, rather than being a “step change”, following the Royal family’s trusted method of evolution rather than revolution.

So bad luck, York girls trolls.

[quote]The look of utter contempt Zara is giving him outside the church almost exceeds the cold loathing from Edward, Sophie and Louise.

Link, [italic]please.[/italic]

Thanks, R481. That would be the family moving on, Harkles. Yesterday was a little test and Harry failed. His clothes did not match, were wrinkled, he was not well groomed and needed a haircut. He literally channeled "Princess Pushy" going into a CHUCH of all things, they literally have no shame.

The Wessex family seems reliable and to be safe hands. They also seem to value family relationships more than money grubbing.

The merching by the Yorks of an ugly coat and a slightly less ugly handbag may have been poorly timed. Edo has grifter written all over him.

I will see if I can find it again, R485. I immediately thought, hmmm, perhaps LCC was correct about Anne. And Anne surely wasd correct in her reservations as to how Meghan would fit into the family and Firm, no?

R485, Zara is at top left, next to Catherine. If looks could kill!

I must admit that R482, aka The "Disheveled Harry" Troll, is very entertaining to read.

From the Mail. Great company to keep, Dim.

'Ironically the only one who has expressed any sympathy towards him is Prince Andrew,' said one source.

'He knows from Sarah Ferguson – and now first-hand – how it feels to be the outsider, which Harry very much is.

Here is Harry's stare down with Anne outside the chapel.

It's not just the yawning hole left by the Sussexes and Andrew's sudden departures from the ranks of full time working BRF members. It's the aging of the Dukes of Kent and Gloucester as well, and Princess Anne's aging toward retirement age. It leaves a pretty big hole. I wouldn't rule out the Yorks just yet. If the change toward a much smaller BRF 'core' is going to happen over decades, as today's Telegraph piece suggests, it implies they may need to recruit to cover the fringe work. Enter Eugenie, and possibly Bea (I find the former more suitable for public life than the latter, jmho). We're not talking a permanent working role, just to cover the rough decade or two, until George and Charlotte reach their late 20s and can really start to pitch in and contribute.

I don't believe for a second that William and Kate intend or wish to move up any timetable re their children's debut as working royals. They will expect them to go to uni, possibly post-grad (and in George's case, the military for a spell), and live a bit of an adult private life before throwing them into the spotlit pit. That means no full time royal public work until after age 25 or so. That's another 15 years at least.

These supposed "stare downs" and loathing looks are a bit feverishly imagined, I'd say.

"It's the aging of the Dukes of Kent and Gloucester as well, and Princess Anne's aging toward retirement age. It leaves a pretty big hole."

In other words, it's the aging holes.

Charles' idea of slimming down the monarchy meant him, William and Harry. But Markle wanted a starring role - she'd never had one! so she fucked that up. He's going to have to add more to the working royals' roster. It looks like Eugenie is auditioning but it seems more likely Zara Tindall will be added.

The Queen is 95 on Wednesday. They go as long as they want to go.

The patronages of Kent and Gloucester are minimal. Charles saw a monarchy of seven - So come the day he's got himself and C, W and K, Anne and E and S. Back to seven. William sees a more targeted approach - that could slim it down even further.

The York girls are over.

The York girls are to Charles' reign what Lady Sarah Chatto and Snowdon are to the Queen's - nieces and nephews of the sovereign's sibling. Who pushes them for royal duties?

I'd be pissed if a charity I cared about was indulged by one of those ugly York girls.

Andrew does and the York girls have engaged PR to raise their profile of late. A bit alarmingly, it seems to overlap with that of the Suxxeses. William would be wise to be wary, it really was not the occasion for merching an ugly coat and handbag. The grandfather remembrance had echoes and word choices similar to Harry's. Zara and Mike seem less duplicitous.

R305, William and Kate were close to Harry. If you had a close family member who had been led astray and he returned for a family event alone, you'd want to check in with him at least. He had been quarantined and It is unclear whether they had spoken by phone prior to the funeral.

It is more than him being led astray, R500. He is unstable and very vindictive. Last time William checked in on him it ended up being parroted by Gayle King on US morning television, don't forget that.

I’ve seen “Jordan” referenced repeatedly in these threads.

What does that mean? Is there some similar drama in their royal family?

If The Queen were to give a knighthood to Zara’s husband, she would be Lady Tindall. That’s fancy enough of a title for her to do some royal charity work, if she even gives a shit about it. I suspect she doesn’t, and that she just cares about horses like her mother Princess Manne.

Remember R333, PC was the only family member who visited him in the hospital, certainly the only child. And photos when he emerged looked like he had tears in his eyes. His father may have said some things about his feelings for his eldest son or Charles' role in the family with his passing.

Catherine DID look perfect, I have to say. Meghan with her d*ngling t*ndrils and bad hat choices would have been a distraction.

Or, Charles may have been sad realizing that, this time, Philip wasn't going to make it out of the hospital.

A recent attempted coup, R502.

R479 - No photo ops, you see. HM will be spending this one in private given she just buried her husband of 73 years. There will be discreet birthday wishes from family, of course, and perhaps Charles and Camilla and Anne or the Wessexes will spend it quietly with her. But it will be all away from the cameras. So, no point in Harry staying on, is there, just for the sake of, oh, I don't know, comforting his bereaved 95 year old Gran?

Agree that Harry did look disheveled. There was NO ONE who could have cleaned him up a bit? A barber who’d work on him if he took a rapid Covid test and came back negative?

R403 - Too right. The incessant stories, most of which were transparent lies (her "bond" with Philip: she probably never spent more than five minutes with him half a dozen times - the two of them couldn't even be bothered to head up to Balmoral for a couple of days a couple of months after the Queen threw them a $30 million wedding), reeked of frantic attempts to save the ship they scuttled with that interview.

And that "forgive the royals"? THIS WEEK??!!

Either someone who hates the Harkles and wants to screw the pitch for them leaked that one, or that was Meghan issuing an insurance policy that would counteract all the touchy-feely stories, as her real fear is Harry coming under his family's influence again.

It was PR disaster for the Harkles, and a PR triumph for the rest of the family, particularly the Cambridges.

What the Harkles really need to do is fucking move on with their new lives and stop using the royal family to anchor their brand.

But I wouldn't put my hard-earned on that happening. They're mental, both of them.

Everyone expects the Queen to go on till 100 or so, but she looked like she was moving very, very slowly and with difficulty yesterday. It may have been grief and sleeplessness, but let's face, she could pop off at any time.

If we are faced with another funeral next year, for example, this one a state occasion with, if signs are correct, the pandemic flagging or over, one has to wonder how they will handle Harry after the way he behaved this time?

R509 and the mismatched, wrinkled and poorly tailored clothes could at least have been PRESSED. No respect at all. Harry is as souless and depraved as Meghan and like her does not even deign to cloak it at his own grandfather's funeral.

I read that Philip had gifted Harry with his collection of prized hunting rifles when he could no longer use them. Instead of keeping them or donating them in some way, Harry sold them. He places no value on family, relationships or even appearances, unless they can be monteized. Philip also passed on a military patronage close to his heart, Harry showed his contempt for that one by going to The Lion King premier instead of an important event, and pitching his wife to a startled and discomfitted Disney exect on the receiving line. They are sociopathic, even by Hollywood standards. They are and will continue to be pariahs, one hopes any risk to the family will be contained. It is a shame for the children and pets, esp as they are so isolated.

One hopes aides are working on that, R510. His behavior was disruptive and his appearance was disheveled, there can be no illusions about next time and any access to the Queen needs to be cut off. What he has done in the past few months is beyond the pale and he did not even mimic the behavior of someone seeking forgiveness yesterday. He did not even properly bow in front of the alter in his rush to get in more photos outside and he was jittery like he was jonesing, it was unseemly behavior for a middle aged man at at funeral. Even ANDREW was well behaved, day of.

They really are off their rockers, God help those kids.

If Archie ever asks why he was not in any photos at Balmoral they can explain that they went on holiday with Elton John instead. I am sure that will make up for the family relationships that he and his sister will have no chance to create. They do not seem well moored in reality, it is concerning. Usually narcs are better at faking appearances.

Hoping to apply more pressure in person, no doubt

R503, the Queen doesn't decide who honours go to, that's the government. Zara could still work in areas she's interested in, e.g. sports.

R377, Clooney's wife is an international law attorney in the UK. Seems like you'd want to keep everyone happy and not burn any bridges.

Not surprising, that brand is on the decline already.

Now maybe they don't want to do it, but I think the Tindalls & Peter Philips would be good choices for Royal Promotion. The Tindalls, in particular, are a charismatic pair though they appear to like to live large & might hate the penny pinching ways of the BRF. The York sisters, in particular Eug, have the same issue as the Harkles in that they are looking to cash on being royal adjacent without doing the royal service. If the last two years have proved anything, having one foot out & one foot in just doesn't seem to work in that world.

While Harry definitely needed a haircut & his pants were poorly tailored (or just plain wrinkled), he kind of looks like a slob a lot of the time. Remember when he wore the shoes with the soles worn out or that picture when Archie was born. He seems as messy on the outside as he is on the inside, so I don't know that he was any worse than usual.

Very good point, R386. I did not realize Phillip had contracted COVID last year. Two things that the very elderly need to avoid to stay alive are falls and hospitalizations. I know the NHS had the medical expertise but I wonder if the private hospital Phillip was in hadn't seen the writing on the wall and got him out of there.

Apparently he was vehement about going home to die, R518.

That Harry would put so much deliberate tactical strain on his family and elderly grandparents in Philip's final weeks is grotesque.

Harry's hair was maybe overgrown in the ducktail area. I have wavy hair, so I realize it's a challenge.

Back when he had a valet and was not building a brand on flouting social norms like a young teen, he often appeared well dressed and groomed, R517. He was in the military. To show up at Philip's funeral as he did was a choice, not a matter of not knowing better. His clothes were not even matching or pressed. Very disrespectful, and then there was his behavior before they were even in the chapel. Harry has been a cause for concern for years, justifiably.

I do recall those shoes, the ones with the big hole in the sole and he wore them constantly.

His outward appearance

I do not think Prince Philip ever had Covid.

If there is a reliable news report that he did, link please.

There is nothing to credibly suggest Philip had COVID last year. Nothing.

But I also heard the voices in my head say he had rickets (well he was thin) and scurvy (he was in the Navy) and blue lips (because he [italic]was[/italic] in the Navy).

I can't prove it because it never happened but I am happy to post it here as if it did because it's nice not just to have to keep it in my head.

Oooooh... here's the lady with the jello and the pills!

I bet Harry’s foreskin and ass crack stinks

2 things, R421. First, when did you ever see Harry focusing on or conducting PR before he hooked up with MM? I never did. As a Hollywood actress, MM is all about publicity. I think he remains clueless about a lot of this. Second, according to this article, William and Harry will be unveiling a statue of Diana in the UK in less than 2 months. That means Harry is expected to return. Will MM and children, including brand new infant, be with him? Will she dare let him come alone?

R525 - I remember a female journalist who used to travel with Harry and got to know him pretty well said that he was very interested in what people were saying about him and read his own press. This was BEFORE he met Meghan.

More (useless) speculation here.....DM is now saying BRF is supposedly reviewing their patronages and public appearances lineup moving forward. Not having a crystal ball or inside scoop, guessing that (Prince) William has had a minor 'reality check' or jolt burying his grandfather. Having witnessed his father's anguished reaction to Philip's passing, William is well aware of not only his grandmother's health but also his father's own fragile condition, certainly not the healthy specimen Prince Philip was at Charles's age (72 years). Guessing the 'review team' will be heavily led by William and Charles (lending his influence and input) but really looking forward with William in the driver's seat.

Anyone else see the Court of William on display at the funeral?

(Photo of (youthful) Prince Philip at age 72 - same age as Prince Charles).

R525 whatever anyone thinks of Meghan, Harry is 100% on board with her plans. He's a co-conspirator, not a victim

Agree, R528. What was up with mimicking playing the trumpet as they walked? He has no respect or self respect and seems stuck in his childish behavior to get him attention, except he is middle aged! I watched a clip of his time on Cordon and it had the same try hard vibe and things not landing how he seemed to perceive it. He and Markle seem to be genuinely unmoored and not to perceive how they come across. I have known people like this in life who try for boyish charm well after boyhood. Not a good look. He is not going to do well in CA, he is far too stunted. His interactions in the BRF were really limited and managed for him. Even IG was mostly his aide, not him. When in Austraila he and Meghan were almost completely disengaged. Now he is going to try to monetize that too. Wonder if IG will get any money, the elephants did not. Suspect that Disney money ended up at Sunshine Sucks.

He is a mess, somewhat of a danger and there is no hiding it now. His betrayal of family relationships, leaking phone calls and attempts at extorton through the media will make them radioactive in business too.

It has been nice seeing so many family photos come out, esp the ones at Balmoral over the years. It can be easy to forget that it is not just a soap opera but they are people. The Queen and Philip with their grandchildren and great grandchildren are such lovely snaps, shame they did not bring Archie up for even a few days or in the past month to say good bye. Michelle Obama was right about family.

Being interested in what is being said about you and the capability of influencing it are 2 different things. He's clearly not a PR whiz and she's clearly PR Hollywood. That PR will either sell things in the US (and earn a few favors in the UK maybe) or influence public perception in the UK/RF actions., but not both and very unlikely to be the latter. It comes off a lot like Oprah's favorite things. And their PR guy is a joke. Diana got the kind of PR she got because she understood the British public. She was raised there and spent a lot of time visiting hospitals and talking with "common" people. She was also regularly in the country. Harry, led by Meghan, is horrible at this. Doesn't have a clue. And if the cousin thinks she can successfully merchandise, she's deluded. Hollywood red carpet shills as "who are you wearing?". Kate never had to do this as she looked well dressed enough that the media picked it up and expanded it to sell papers. So here's Meghan, calling up a favor and ending up looking like she and Harry are too cheap to buy their own flowers. Plus, she has time to do extensive calligraphy, but not to make sure her husband has a decent haircut and suit before he leaves?

The other thing is that these people are not cardboard cutouts, they are real people with feelings. Charles was thoughtless in his first marriage and is lucky enough now to be married to someone who is pleasant and supportive. I suspect he and Camilla have had plenty of talks about William and Harry and the things he regrets in raising them. He loves Harry and sees him in this horrible situation. He was in a similar one himself. It isn't about a photo op, it is about spending time talking with his son. He will not be turning over a nickel or apologizing for something that didn't happen. He will likely, however, express his feelings for his son and possibly feelings that his grandfather had for Harry as well. And maybe feelings his grandmother has for Harry, too. Then it will be up to Harry to decide whether to allow Meghan to distort those communications and use them to her own ends or to manipulate him into doing so. They have plenty of money and if he wants to act petulant over what he sees as dad turning off the tap, that will be to his detriment. They could have a pleasant life in California and raise their family, but if it is about extorting things from others, it won't work out well for them.

Mary!

Mary!

MARY!!!!

[quote] Also Right at the end of the service as they are all walking out of the Chapel, Lady Louise (Edward & Sophie's daughter) gave Harry such a clear "fuck you glare"

I thought the same (although it's difficult to be sure given that her face was partially obscured by the mask). I doubt it's much fun to have your family smeared as racist when you're a teenager, given how woke her generation is.

At what point was Harry mimicking the trumpet playing?

WTF?

Can someone give me a time stamp as to when that happened?

R511 - "Philip also passed on a military patronage close to his heart, Harry showed his contempt for that one by going to The Lion King premier instead of an important event"

The important event was the annual Deal Memorial held by the Royal Marines - it was to be held that evening. Instead, Harry went to The Lion King premiere to pitch his wife for voiceover work with Disney. The Deal Memorial Concert is held each year, and the one Harry skipped would have been its 30th, to mark the bombing of a Royal Marines Musicians School by the IRA, killing 11 Royal Marines.

Harry's office did not reply to the annual invitation, sent nearly a year in advance, until 6 weeks before the event, declining it for "other engagements".

His grandfather held that position for 64 years before turning it over to Harry.

Can you imagine what Philip must have felt seeing his grandson, after only three years holding the post, ditch it to beg Bob Iger of Disney to give Harry's wife voiceover work?!

And there they are, talking about how mistreated they were by the royals, and how Meghan is "willing to forgive them".

They are shallow trash.

Word has it that in the upcoming weeks, Charles, William, and the Queen are going to be discussing the future of the monarchy, how many patronages and appointments to retain, how many to release, and who is going to do what remains until the Cambridge children grow up. My guess is that, of course, Sophie and Edward will be brought forward, and perhaps even their daughter, Lady Louise.

If Prince Andrew had behaved himself, his two daughters might now have a shot, but not only has his behaviour put paid to that, but there are rumours that Eugenie is "friendly" towards the Sussexes. I don't think Bea cares, but I suspect that Eugenie may be a bit more ambitious for public life than she lets on, and that her resentment of Kate's ascendancy has been quietly simmering for the last ten years.

That's just a guess on my part. Jack Brooksbank doesn't work for Clooney: Clooney sold that concern for billions, if I remember. And Amal Clooney last year scored a plum position with Charles ' prestigious "The Prince's Trust". Amal C. is nothing if not a shrewd, experienced social climber. The Clooney's also have a huge estate in Berksire. They spend a great deal of time in England - they know where their bread is buttered socially there.

^*The Clooneys (not the Clooney's) also have . . .

Has that been confirmed, R508? I kinda don't believe it.

^^*Hmmm, I stand corrected. Apparently, Clooney still own Casamigos. Brooksbank is not as plebian as he seems, either: he's descended from a family of baronets. And he is extremely comfortably off. Eugenie also has a trust fund of her own, although not on the scale of Harry's and William's. They aren't hurting.

I very much doubt Philip had COVID last year. He almost certainly wouldn't have made it to this April if he had. There have been a few cases of people his age surviving the virus, but it's the exception that proves the rule - unusual enough to make the news.

She and now they have been working with Sunshine Sacks for years, R530. To give you an idea of their clout and skill, they represented Weinstein. They appear to not listen to their advice either and rumor is a lot of what we see is guerilla PR directed by Meghan herself.

Harry is leaving the UK on Mon Apr 19. The queen's birthday is Wed Apr 21. There have been reports that Harry wanted to meet with the queen before the funeral. He couldn't. So the little shit couldn't have stayed for two more days and left the following morning on Thurs the 22nd? What the fuck is wrong with him? Markle isn't going anywhere. She can survive for a couple more days without her abused husband.

You can see him doing it as they walk up the hill after the service, R533. He holds his arms out and, well, mimicks playing a trumpet. My partner said, WTAF and I rewound it later. Harry really is mentally off. He is getting to middle age and he is still trying to slide by on childish "cute" behavior. I only watched a bit of Cordon on YT, can't stand him, but Harry was doing the same schtick there.

Reportedly, when Lady Colin Campbell was doing research for her book on the Harkles, Meghan aggressively tried to plant the idea that Thomas had been physically abusive to her, through surrogates. It is more than obvious how this will go down with Haz and I suspect in the not too distant future.

I shan’t “Oh dear” you, R539 (and totally agree with your take on her and them: useless) but it’s Sunshine Sachs.

"Lady" Colin Campbell is about as well informed as Samantha Markle

R534, it is clear that Eugenie has been working with a PR firm to raise her profile.

She is the other one who saw Philip's funeral as an opportunity to merch. Disgusting.

Glad Charles pushed them out.

If you were in the UK you may think differently, R544. And nothing you wrote is responsive to the idea that there was a concerted effort by Meghan to get that idea into the book. Since she lies so frequently and was gushing about him on social media until immediately before meeting Harry, I now strongly suspect the opposite is true.

^^What did Eugenie merch? Just because she put out a statement about her grandfather? It's her grandfather. She's allowed. You're stretching.

It's surprising that Charles doesn't look as though he's in great health. He has extreme longevity in his genes, has never been anywhere close to overweight, and isn't reputed to be a heavy drinker.

[quote] Harry is leaving the UK on Mon Apr 19. The queen's birthday is Wed Apr 21. There have been reports that Harry wanted to meet with the queen before the funeral. He couldn't.

Wow, grandma has a tight schedule.

Lady C is like the little girl with the strawberry curl: when she was good, she was very, very good, and when she was bad, she was horrid.

Her book on Diana was really good: it was well-sourced, sympathetic but not sappy, and fit with a good deal of information that came out long after the book did.

Her book about the Queen Mother, however, was gobbledygook, poorly sourced, mostly gleaned from other books, and was laughed off the shelves for repeating that turkey baster and the cook rumour, which was so illogical it defied description. It goes like this: Woman in her forties and living a happy, wealthy, privileged life, is, somehow, desperate for an eighth child. Despite her proven fecundity, she has her husband inseminate her cook, then pretends to be pregnant, and has this unhoped for . . . EIGHTH child, who later goes on to become Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother. Oh, and then said woman goes on to have a NINTH child after the alleged "turkey baster" child. - but no one calls that ninth child the product of the turkey baster - despite the fact that Elizabeth bore a strong resemblance to her allegedly nonbiological mother, whilst the ninth, and very blond David, looks nothing like Mum.

I don't doubt Lady C has cultivated some sources, they probably aren't any less sound than the Mail's, The SUN's, the Mirror's, or the Telegraph's. And so far, when she talks about Meghan and Harry, it fits not just with what has been said about them, but with how they've behaved.

Lady C is fun to listen to, but, as with the tabloids (who told us all that the Middletons were coming to the funeral, and Kate was acting as Peacemaker, and then that Eugenie or Zara was - Jesus, the look Zara gave Harry outside the Chapel after the funeral would have cut through chrome steel. She's Anne's daughter, remember, and we know how Anne feels about the Harkles.), I'd take it all a bit cautiously.

R547, there was a press release about her coat and handbag. Not kidding.

I cannot take credit for this but it is quite funny.

PHILIP DID NOT HAVE COVID LAST YEAR.

CHARLES HAD IT, AND WILLIAM TESTED POSITIVE FOR IT BUT APPARENTLY WAS NOT, OR BARELY, ILL.

Philip did not.

R550, given the way that he was looking at Anne, I do suspect Lady C may have been correct that Anne, along with Philip, William and one of the Spencers urged caution while they were dating. The way Harry was smirking at Anne, had an "I did not give them your name YET" vibe and yes, Zara was giving him a death stare. Pity it was not more effective. The Harkles are malicious and exhausting. Could not even turn up in pressed matching clothes to his grandfather's funeral, with all the money he has, could not be bothered to get a haircut.

Can someone re-post Zara's "death stare" again? :)

I think this may be it (?)

Zara is above, to the left of, Catherine.

[quote]Harry is leaving the UK on Mon Apr 19. The queen's birthday is Wed Apr 21. There have been reports that Harry wanted to meet with the queen before the funeral. He couldn't.

I think I read somewhere that Harry was "desperate to meet with The Queen before the funeral, but a visit was not permitted. And now it appears that he's being stonewalled again. Although I'm sure thatthere must have been some sort of reception after the funeral where Harry likely had a chance to talk briefly to her; however Harry likely wanted to get her alone for a full on whinge session .... I'm sure Her Majesty and her Advisors saw that coming ...

I told you before, Huge's double wide coat was a $5000 custom job, also carried an ugly expensive purse. She looked awful, that hair.

Note on the ugly wreath -- the press release merching it dropped ten minutes before Philip's coffin left for the church. That is cynical timing my friends.

He'd have at least have managed to have a conversation with the Queen on Saturday after the funeral. But honestly I think Liz has essentially given up at this point. She knows she's got at most 5 years left. Years that as a devout Christian she probably wants over fast so she can meet Phil again. She's not going to counteract Charles or Williams wishes at this stage. And while I doubt they hate Harry as much as the tabloids say. They're not going to upend their plans for him after the last year.

Even for them that is astonishing, R559. Sociopathic. So it could be talked about over the feed of the family walking.

In contrast, look at the respectful, arm in arm bow of Sophie and her children as the casket passed. Oh, and not ONE of the family issues a press release about their wreaths. Funny, ALL of them followed the white color scheme rather than garish "look at me!" purple.

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[quote] She knows she's got at most 5 years left. Years that as a devout Christian she probably wants over fast so she can meet Phil again.

I have to admit I envy religious people at times, even though I generally believe organised religion does more harm than good. If the Queen's faith is strong as reported, then she believes it's only a matter of time until she's reunited with Philip, her parents and her sister. I don't feel I can rule out the possibility of an afterlife, but I certainly don't see it as a surety. For those who do, it must be a great comfort.

Other sources have Harry at Nottingham Cottage, R562.

Makes sense, R539. The PR seems like rookie moves made by someone who doesn't understand the RF or the culture. Given her history with dishonesty about her own family, she doesn't have a good track record either.

The latest flurry in the past few days had more a tone of mania than a professionally executled plan, to me, at least, R565. The press release re: the wreath just before the coffin left Windsor was sociopathic. Funnily enough, in photos, the other wreaths appear to have cards, but not the purple one. Not sure what happened to the handwritten note carried by Harry. Nothing ever adds up with these 2, they are exhausting, and soon to be irrelevant. They have trashed their own reputations and brand, yet keep acting out. Reminds me a bit of Hunter Biden but he is straightforward about being a drug addict. Not sure WHAT is up with the Harkles.

Fuck off, R445.

What's so funny is that amid all the accusations levelled against the Cambridges, the hapless pair now - having inflicted their own peculiar brand of "torture/forgive/torture" charm on the BRF (and other unfortunate targets), now find themselves in the wildly amusing and delicious position of Damage control. Undoing the perception that you are heartless, uncaring and worse, vindictive - a side that you tried to cover - right to the end is going to take more than a few SS press releases + primetime chats with 'Orca' to rectify.

Is this what Harry envisioned by "hitting the ground running"?

r510 a similar dilemma arises next year even if the Queen doesnt die and I believe she will see 100 minimum and that is the big national celebrations and royal events to celebrate the Queens platinum jubilee of 70 years on the throne .Will Harry and Meghan attend and how will they fit in?

❤️ "Harry was disheveled" troll.

Meghan would do well to never set foot in a Royal event again.

The entire world now knows that she doesn't have the right stuff to pull off 'regal', let alone sophisticated, or even thankful.

HM is not about to bail. She'll continue to work as long as she is able. She had to probably work long hours on the issues related to this funeral. She is mentally sharp, physically and healthy walking her puppies and riding her horses most days. She is surrounded by her ladies-in-waiting some of whom have been with her for 60 years. All of them are highly trustworthy. I think she's got at least several years or more left. I think she will increasingly use Charles as a sounding board now that the Prince is no longer around.

The Meghan trolls have given themselves over completely to hatred of this young woman. They see everything through their prism of hatred. Even such questions as the death of the queen of England becomes “what bad thing will Meghan do when the queen dies?”

Meghan got lucky with timing: She could plead her belly with Philip's funeral and can do the same with the unveiling of the Diana statue. If there is a platinum jubilee celebration next year, it will be harder for her to beg off.

Meghan is not young, R573. In four months, she'll be a forty-year-old mother of two. That's old enough to know better and to concentrate her energies on better things than the endless, shameless, ruthless publicity hustle. The Meghan stans may portray her as this young, fragile, wounded flower, but she is NONE of those things.

I remain baffled, R568, that at least part of the interview was not used to set up their brand and to package it in an attractive way. Instead, the interview and the strong arm tactics and leaks of private phone calls after made them radioactive.

The interview proves that they weren't trying to legitimately set up new careers in Hollywood. If they had, they would have been talking up their new projects and looking forward, not backward. The interview was a public settling of scores and transparent blackmail attempt, and it's blown up in their faces. Anyone with half a brain would realize that you don't alienate the people who hold the purse strings.

Of course, if the Sussexes had brains, they'd never have given up their cushy Royal lives to begin with. Philip's death marks the beginning of the big generational transition for the BRF, and with Charles looking increasingly fragile, William is increasingly ascendant. Harry and Meghan could have been part of that shift and really put themselves in the spotlight for the next 15-20 years. Instead, they flounced out and will watch the Wessexes receive all the perks and plum assignments that could have belonged to the Sussexes.

r560 apparently The queen , Camilla and the Queens elderly cousins and Philips elderly nephews all went home straight after the service and the reminder briefly socialised at Windsor Castle according to british newspapers.So No I dont think Harry did meet The Queen post service for a chat.

It really is quite baffling, R577. Most people with sense would not be antagonizing very wealthy relatives, esp very elderly ones. My guess is a lot of pills and coke are involved, they really seem unmoored in reality and she often seems manic while he frequently looks flat and checked out and has since prior to leaving the UK.

I wonder if Camilla has health problems? She often seems absent at events where you would expect her to be present. Charles may very well end up a widower.

Don't forget, Meghan has receipts!

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If Harry makes nice, it's because Meghan told him to. It would suggest that their grand plans in LA aren't going like they thought, and they are desperate to reclaim the Royal goodwill they threw away in March. I don't think either of them is subtle enough to realize that the family can forgive without forgetting, and some quiet chat at a funeral doesn't mean they are back in the fold.

[quote]The queen , Camilla and the Queens elderly cousins and Philips elderly nephews all went home straight after the service

R578. Philip's nephews are not elderly. They are 50, 51 and 54. If they went straight home after the service it's because they didn't want to attend the post-funeral reception, couldn't attend, were catching a plane or just don't know the Windsors and decided to leave. Or not. They very well could have gone to the reception. They issued statements prior to the funeral saying they were honored to be invited.

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I don't blame the nephews for ducking out of the post-funeral reception. It would be so awkward trying to make small talk when the close family is clearly devastated and you don't know them that well, anyway. With the Queen not attending, it was no sign of disrespect to skip the reception and leave after the service.

How do you know that Philip’s German relatives don’t know the Windsors well?

I’d go for the tea sandwiches.

I don't know that, R587, but all of the nephews leaving so soon after the funeral suggests they weren't close--it's not like they had the excuse of being elderly like the Queen or the others who left. I could be wrong of course.

R585. That could be Eugenie from a bad angle. Plus she still might have some of the weight after having her son, baby August. It looks like that might be Jack Brooksbank beside her, but it's a bit hard to tell since he's not totally facing the camera.

R583 My feeling with the Oprah interview was that they expected the Royals to suddenly come running to them on bent knee pleading for them to return to the Royal fold. H&M have a history of this. They jumped the gun with announcing Megxit on IG while terms were being negotiated behind the scenes (which were stalled because the Palace had discovered Meghan's attempt to trademark Sussex Royal). They felt by doing this and announcing it like it was a done deal, would force the Queen's/Charles hand and give them the half-in/half-out deal the wanted so they could monetize their royal connections. They didn't get their way so they went on Oprah and once again they are not getting what they want. For weeks, we heard (through Gayle, and Scabies) that Harry and Meghan demanded an apology from the royals .... that didn't happen. Now we're hearing that Meghan is "forgiving them." We're hearing what a special bond she had with Philip (despite having only met him like three times), and how the Queen adores her. They are once again trying to worm their way back to some relevance with in the firm because it's the only way they'll stay relevant and make money in the long run.

Gobsmacked at the vulgarity of making PR statements about the wreath.

Interestingly, Diana also expected heartfelt apologies from the BRF after the Panorama interview. Instead, the Queen immediately ordered Charles to initiate divorce proceedings.

Are we going to have thread #4 in the "Meghan Skips The Royal Funeral" series ?

R538, my grandmother is 94 and had Covid. She lives in a nursing home in rural Europe. She was mildly ill and recovered completely. But she’s a nobody, so.

New thread before this one falls off a cliff:

The wreath Markle sent was primarily made up of Acanthus Mollis or Bear’s Breech see photo below, which is the national flower of Greece, honoring Philip's Greek heritage. Nice touch...but then she had to go and send out the news release announcing that she sent it. Jesus, she would screw up a free lunch. No one else sent out a news release and there were several other wreaths displayed at the funeral.

R574, Meghan always has the other excuse, for when she’s not pregnant:

She doesn’t want to be the center of attention.

Anne was right: Meghan's personality and background are so unsuited to Royal life. How tone-deaf do you have to be to fuck up a funeral wreath?

See you in the next thread, bitches.

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r584 Are you sure? They must be great nephews then as Philips sisters were older than him so I cant see all the nephews being in their fifties.

Meghan had to issue a statement about the wreath - it was part of the bargain. The wreath was likely gratis from Willow Crossley on the condition she publicise their business.