Covid Vaccine Dilemma: J and J or Pfizer

I think Pfizer is the most effective.

My country initially planned on using AstraZeneca, but switched to J&J instead. Pfizer is also part of the plan for the vaccine rollout.

Just get whichever vaccine you can ASAP. We've seen availability change depending on supply, and bizarre accidents like the recent manufacturing mishap where15 million doses of the J&J were ruined will make that one harder to get for awhile. Don't wait.

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Pfizer: 2 shots, 3 weeks apart. I experienced no side effects at all.

Get Pfizer.

I got J&J one month ago. One and done.

No side effects whatsoever. Love, love, love.

Just had the first round of Pfizer on Sunday. Arm was a little sore yesterday and I was tired, but other than that, perfectly fine. Nothing that Advil couldn't fix.

Most people don't get to choose. Get whatever you can get.

How old are you R8?

Get the Pfizer. There will be other people lined up to get the other vaccines, so those vaccines won’t go to waste.

R11... I'm 64. YEARS!

And male. The blood clot issue announced today has, so far, all been in females.

The Pfizer is, according to the data we have at present, the most effective against Covid, has the fewest documented side effects and is the easiest from which to add a booster against the variant strains later on. That's as against all vaccines (though Moderna is similar), not just against J&J. Why on earth would you not want that?

The vaccines seem fine on elderly people for the most part.

Elderly people should get the most effective vaccine, since they’re the ones most likely to die from COVID. Younger people aren’t likely to get severe illness from COVID anyway, so a “lesser” vaccine will do just fine at it’s intended goal of keeping people out of the hospital.

Are people just being assholes when they recommend taking Advil for the vaccine side effects?

J&J

Trumpcine? Operation WarpClot?

I mean he's whining for credit, right?

Pfizer is supposedly the best of the ones available. It is known to have the least incidents of side effects.

Just say NO to j & J! I get my 2nd Moderna tomorrow. Yipee!

I knew a girl who took the J & J vaccine. And then she died.

[quote]Are people just being assholes when they recommend taking Advil for the vaccine side effects?

No. It works.

pfizer and moderna both really good.

J and J is so so. only 66 %....still, better than nothing!

Lots of strange things in this thread. Just remember this illness is new and the vaccines are even newer. We don't know everything is going to be to know about any of it. The situation is evolving.

I did read a week or so ago that six weeks after the initial shot, all three vaccines were working at about the same level. What none of us yet know is how long the vaccines will remain effective. And what we will have to do after they no longer work... sufficient.

[quote]The vaccines seem fine on elderly people for the most part.

There's a difference between side effects and overall effectiveness, though. I'd have to know how they tested that "vaccines were working at the same level", because in a trial the test would be how many subjects got Covid, and testing people in the sixth week doesn't give them a lot of scope to come down with it, so that's probably not what they measured.

J&J is delayed in Europe. It should be stopped here. People at least women are getting blood clots. Do not take J&J

R26, the number of women with blood clots is LESS THAN one in a million J&J vaccines given.

The death rate from not being vaccinated is higher.

Just get vaxxed, shouldn’t matter what

Are you still debating this after five days? Get the fucking vaccine already! And stop whining about how far away the Pfizer alternative is. Geez!

Do you NOT watch the news?

Here's a good explainer from Vox on why you should go with whatever's available...

J&J is finished as a vaccine. Even if the FDA allows it to be administered again,, people aren't going to want it.

J&J is over. It’s Pfizer.

Get Pfizer, you fat whore!

Moderna is just as good.

J&J only requires one shot, so it was a better option for people who are too stupid to remember to go back for the second one.

Just get whatever the fuck you can get. Most people don't have a choice. They just show up to the vaccination site and get whatever they get.

God, queens create so much unnecessary drama.

[quote] Most people don't have a choice.

Yes, but we’re not most people and we do have a choice. As r36 pointed out, J&J is intended for the masses, and so others have indicated their preference between Pfizer and Moderna.

Go with the Va Jay Jay.

R38 What the fuck are you talking about? Very few places give you a menu of choices when you show up. You get what you get. Good for you if you got a choice, but that's rare, and I don't know what this "we're not most people" BS is supposed to mean.

Do you have two heads or something and get presented with two different vaccines for each one?

J and J is fine if you are over 60. don't worry! covid will more likely to kill you if you're over 60 than the J and J vax.

I will wait for a blod clot free vaccine.

It seems the vax will kill you when you’re younger and covid will kill you when you’re older. I’ll just wait for the next generation of vaccines—granted I survive.

R43 Oh, that's brilliant.

I guess it was inevitable that the responses to the "greatest public health crisis of our generation" (it wasn't - climate change will kill the fucking human species at some point, and we chose to be blind to it...) would be crackpot, panicked, inchoate, misconstrued, and political.

It was always assumed that the original vaccine might need a booster.

Some people who claim the vaccine is full of deep state poison that disrupts the God-created natural processes - eat crap with chemicals that fatten them and make mush of their internal organs and disrupt their neurotransmitters creating addictions that make them little consumer units... without questioning anything.

R43 Again, again, and again.... you do understand it isn't all about you and the jeopardy you choose to accept? Your getting vaccinated is part of common effort to prevent hundreds of thousands of more deaths? Other people, remember them?

Just take whatever is available. Whatever you take, it will still be better than dealing with Covid. And death is too permanent to correct an error in judgment.

r43, can i have all your stuff when you die?

Sure.

The chance of getting a blood clot from the J&J vaccine is less than one in a million. Over 6 million people have gotten this vaccine, and literally 6 people have gotten the blood clot.

^ and in addition to that: The risk of getting clots is greater when you have Covid.

^ But if you stay indoors the risk of getting covid isn't even there. No need to inject oneself with a blood clotting vaccine when you don't have to. I choose my mansion over pfizer seneca.

R50 But this idiot doesn't seem concerned about blood clots, only that the Pfizer is a bigger shlep for him than the J & J.

R51, the side effect is a rare clotting disease which seems to be different from the clots thrown by Covid itself. For instance, traditional blood thinning drugs are contra-indicated in its treatment. It is sited in the brain and is particularly unpleasant, but yes, it's extremely rare.

It will be interesting to hear what they have to say about it. One thing I find odd is that, at least in how the issue was presented, it was just six women at one particular time without any kind of real ongoing development. One would think that, over the course of the vaccine's usage and even throughout the last week, more women who received the vaccine would develop the same issue if it was tied to the vaccine. My personal belief (completely unsupported by any scientific evidence) is that it really is coincidence instead of causal, and I hope that to be the case. Any people on here more knowledgable than me know?

R55, there is a man too, he's 43, father of 7. had a stroke.

He took the JJ vaccine, R56?

yes r57