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Best affordable gay-friendly cities in the US 2021

Thinking of moving out of Los Angeles and interested in gay-friendly cities, or cities where I can meet new gay friends. Also a city that has an apprciation for art and artists. Does anyone have any recommendations?

I thought about Palm Springs, but family members I don't want to see are moving to Palm Desert.

Other areas I thought about - Colorado, New Mexico, Pacific Northwest. I'd also really like to explore the east coast, mainly Massachusetts.

I want to avoid any states filled with Trump supporters and right-wing conservatives.

by Anonymousreply 12910 hours ago

Girl, stay where you are for now. When this pandemic is over there are definitely going to be winners and losers as far as cities go and it's best to adopt a wait and see attitude before you make any big decisions.

by Anonymousreply 102/22/2021

[quote]I want to avoid any states filled with Trump supporters and right-wing conservatives.

May I suggest Tehran, Iran?

by Anonymousreply 202/22/2021

Ashland, Oregon?

by Anonymousreply 302/22/2021

Atlanta.

by Anonymousreply 402/22/2021

Raleigh NC.

Madison WI.

Nashville TN.

Richmond VA.

Are some affordable but still nice B-cities.

Nothing in the Boston area is going to be considered affordable OP.

by Anonymousreply 502/22/2021

R1 Just getting ideas at the moment.

R4 I've thought about Georgia. Is there anyone who resides there who can tell me what it's like.

by Anonymousreply 602/23/2021

Are there any towns close to San Francisco that are affordable?

by Anonymousreply 702/23/2021

minneapolis. if you can tolerate the cold - it's a great city and really affordable.

by Anonymousreply 802/23/2021

I tell ya, amazing things are happening in Assboil, Arkansas!

by Anonymousreply 902/23/2021

Laurel Mississippi

by Anonymousreply 1002/23/2021

Gay-friendly and affordable don't tend to go hand-in-hand, unfortunately.

by Anonymousreply 1102/23/2021

Affordable in the bay area r7?! Surely you jest.

by Anonymousreply 1202/23/2021

Midland, Texas

by Anonymousreply 1302/23/2021

r7: No. At least not by most people's definitions of "close" and "affordable."

by Anonymousreply 1402/23/2021

Philly is relatively affordable and very gay friendly - there are also smaller towns like New Hope nearby. Cleveland is another city that is affordable - I actually liked it and thought was gay friendly.

by Anonymousreply 1502/23/2021

New Hope, and Central Bucks county, are no longer affordable. The area has changed with the influx of people from NYC and NJ. As for bars, there is just the Cub Room, and it isn't much. The Raven, the Cartwheel and the Prelude are gone.

by Anonymousreply 1602/23/2021

I think Boston is great, but R5 is correct, it’s hardly “affordable” by most standards.

I’m very curious why you’d be deciding against Palm Springs because of relatives in Palm Desert. First off, it’s not like they’re the same neighborhood, and secondly, perhaps it’s about time you told them to fuck right off!

by Anonymousreply 1702/23/2021

Cleveland and Columbus

Las Vegas

Omaha and Kansas City

New Orleans

by Anonymousreply 1802/23/2021

[quote]Are there any towns close to San Francisco that are affordable?

Santa Rosa maybe. Or Vallejo or Fairfield. Sacramento is farther, but more affordable.

by Anonymousreply 1902/23/2021

[quote] I’m very curious why you’d be deciding against Palm Springs because of relatives in Palm Desert. First off, it’s not like they’re the same neighborhood, and secondly, perhaps it’s about time you told them to fuck right off!

They are Trumpers and devout Christians. I don't want them just showing up at my place unannounced whenever they feel like it.

by Anonymousreply 2002/24/2021

Move to PS and tell your family not to show up unannounced, and avoid them if/when you want. You're a big boy now, YOU decided who you want to hang with.

by Anonymousreply 2102/24/2021

If you're looking for a year-round residence, just remember that Palm Springs is beastly hot for at least 4 months a year. As in you don't leave the house unless you need to.

Asheville NC is certainly gay-friendly though I don't know about the affordable part. Plus it's full-on Deplorableland in the surrounding areas, which is how Madison Cawthorne got into the House.

by Anonymousreply 2202/24/2021

Blue Ridge, Georgia

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by Anonymousreply 2302/24/2021

Anchorage is affordable and gay friendly.

by Anonymousreply 2402/24/2021

Saugatuck, MI Douglas, MI Ferndale MI Royal Oak MI Ann Arbor MI

by Anonymousreply 2502/24/2021

St. Petersburg, FL. Seriously. Lots of gays. And if you have $$, check out Gulfport FL specifically.

Here's a link to the last Pride event in 2019 (pre-covid).

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by Anonymousreply 2602/24/2021

Euerka Springs, Arkansas is a small town but has many gay owned business and various LGBT events throughout the year. Very scenic and more expensive than surrounding areas but probably way cheaper than anything on the coasts.

by Anonymousreply 2702/24/2021

Whoa. OP you need to move to PS to learn a very important lesson in self and boundaries. Also, no one really goes to palm desert.

by Anonymousreply 2802/24/2021

It's pretty sad that deplorables have made the option for gays moving to a small town in America this stressful.

by Anonymousreply 2902/24/2021

[quote]They are Trumpers and devout Christians. I don't want them just showing up at my place unannounced whenever they feel like it.

You're not required to answer your door or let anyone in your house. Just like you're not required to answer your phone.

by Anonymousreply 3002/24/2021

Is Philadelphia really that gay friendly outside of certain areas/neighborhoods? I perceived it as a bit more conservative, even though this is just word of mouth.

by Anonymousreply 3102/24/2021

Genoa City

by Anonymousreply 3202/24/2021

Are there any young gays in Palm Springs? I thought it was more of a retirement community.

by Anonymousreply 3302/24/2021

Portland, Seattle and Denver are all gay friendly but expensive. Cost of living is much less if you head out into the suburbs, but you will have to deal with more homophobes and gun slinging Trump supporters (especially outside of Denver).

by Anonymousreply 3402/24/2021

R26 I don't know if I can handle any area of Florida after seeing how many deplorables are living there.

by Anonymousreply 3502/24/2021

Why not just stay where you are?

by Anonymousreply 3602/24/2021

[quote]It's pretty sad that deplorables have made the option for gays moving to a small town in America this stressful.

No, this is not the right attitude. There are many, many small and medium-sized towns in America where no one cares if you're gay. Go where you want and make it gay. Don't be giving deplorables a veto power. If people are closed-minded you wouldn't want to live there anyway.

by Anonymousreply 3702/24/2021

Why do you even need to tell your family if you decide on PS?

by Anonymousreply 3802/24/2021

I agree with R26 on St. Pete -- it's fun and relaxed but Florida is getting more and more red. And there is a lunatic fringe. "Florida man" is not a joke.

I know it sounds weird, but many Great Lakes cities are worth checking out. Buffalo is deceptive -- there are large tracts of emptiness because so many people moved to the suburbs but stayed in the area. If a suburban life is what you want, you'll find great towns. If you're after urban housing there are some great neighborhoods, but you will also see a lot of decaying areas which is sad. Architecture and housing stock is amazing. Like most northern cities it committed the cardinal sin of putting highways along the lovely waterfront and through their famous park system. I think they're at least trying to undo a lot of the damage, however. Prices for houses are scarcely to be believed. Nice in the summer, autumn, and early winter, but winter really drags on and on, without much of a spring.

There is very little "big city" attitude, but that carries the price tag of having very little "big city" sophistication. Great food, with everything from Burmese to Polish restaurants, interesting family-owned corner bars, friendly people (at times overly so).

by Anonymousreply 3902/24/2021

[quote] Why not just stay where you are?

I would if I could afford it. Plus, I've been in Los Angeles my whole life and would like a change. I don't have may friends in any state or city I'd want to move to (Texas, Arizona) so where I go I will probably not know anyone.

by Anonymousreply 4002/24/2021

I see a lot of beautiful towns in movies. Places with nice homes and lots of trees. I always look on IMDB to see where it was filmed. I see Georgia coming up a lot.

by Anonymousreply 4102/24/2021

[quote]No, this is not the right attitude. There are many, many small and medium-sized towns in America where no one cares if you're gay. Go where you want and make it gay. Don't be giving deplorables a veto power. If people are closed-minded you wouldn't want to live there anyway.

This. Some of the greatest, most loving people who are accepting of all reside in nondescript, small communities all over the United States. A lot of this thread is highlighting narrow-minded thinking that is just reprehensible as the deplorables they bemoan. Maybe living a huge echo chamber like Los Angeles does that to a person.

With an attitude where you think of everyone as a monolithic entity that is either 'this' or 'that' indicates that Los Angeles is the perfect place for you, OP.

by Anonymousreply 4202/24/2021

[quote]Are there any young gays in Palm Springs? I thought it was more of a retirement community.

The Gay Elephant Graveyard.

by Anonymousreply 4302/24/2021

R42 and where do you live?

by Anonymousreply 4402/24/2021

[quote]I've thought about Georgia. Is there anyone who resides there who can tell me what it's like.

I would put more trust in people who don't reside there. Atlanta, New Orleans, DC...all are regional (and farther afield) magnets who Kool-Aid drinkers who gave not travelled much. Each city is filled with people who just can't stop tell you how fabulous and important their city is. But of the three, Atlanta is the shithole, the destination of every gay from Lambert, Alabama, or Toadwater, Georgia, or piss again, Mississippi. They are so happy to be out their backwater towns that Atlanta seems the greatest thing in the world.

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by Anonymousreply 4502/24/2021

R42 I never had this attitude until 2016.

by Anonymousreply 4602/24/2021

R44 & R46

I get it. Bay Area native here.

I am not proclaiming that any place is perfect but after I left California and moved to Arizona (again, it's not for everybody because of heat, culture, etc.) I have met some of the most wonderful people of my life. Some are gay men and women and they have full, productive lives and are valued members of their communities (which are full of all types of people).

All I am saying is that you would be surprised about what type of people live where and you might be pleasantly surprised as to what you may find. Back home in the Bay I couldn't tell you how many times I felt a thin veneer of homophobia in the attitudes of people who treated me in a certain (over accommodating) way because that is what they HAVE to do and would get crucified if they didn't. Here I feel free, rejuvenated, and safe. I also find myself becoming more accepting of others who are different than me because I am being given the same respect in return. Quite amazing, actually.

by Anonymousreply 4702/24/2021

Lawrence, Kansas perhaps

by Anonymousreply 4802/24/2021

I'm curious is there is anyone here who just moved to an unfamiliar city. Some place not knowing anyone or having really travelled there.

by Anonymousreply 4902/24/2021

*if (typo)

by Anonymousreply 5002/24/2021

R47 Sedona, Arizona is full of very spiritual people.

by Anonymousreply 5102/24/2021

I hear Bumfuck, Nevada is great.

by Anonymousreply 5202/24/2021

St Pete FL is a shithole. Run, far.

by Anonymousreply 5302/24/2021

NYC is quickly becoming affordable at this point

by Anonymousreply 5402/24/2021

If you want to move to Florida, Ft Lauderdale is affordable as is Tampa

by Anonymousreply 5502/24/2021

Is Palm Springs affordable?

by Anonymousreply 5602/24/2021

R51 Totally.

Although, I find that Sedona has become very commercialized and overrun in recent years.

Bisbee, AZ down south is very interesting and VERY gay. Apparently, it is 60% LGBT. Very cool town history, architecture, and setting. And close to Mexico to boot. There is some drug use that seems to have a bit of a hold on a percentage of the population but I think it is a neat little place.

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by Anonymousreply 5702/24/2021

NYC is no where near affordable. They shave $50 off the rent because of reduced demand and call it a deal.

by Anonymousreply 5802/24/2021

R58, all in good time. NYC is dead now. Everyone that can is leaving. Store and restaurants have gone out of business.

No way it will be able to support its ridiculous rents right now. Landlords will soon figure this out

by Anonymousreply 5902/24/2021

Years ago, I went to Fi Lauderdale and thought: Wow, this is right next to Miami and vey affordable. Why hasn't everyone else figured this out.

Then they gays figured it out.

by Anonymousreply 6002/24/2021

Any city is gay friendly when you set up your glory hole!

by Anonymousreply 6102/24/2021

Santa Fe, NM

Asheville, NC

Wilmington, NC

Austin, TX (though I personally hate the state of Texas)

by Anonymousreply 6202/24/2021

[quote]Is Philadelphia really that gay friendly outside of certain areas/neighborhoods? I perceived it as a bit more conservative, even though this is just word of mouth.

It is gay-friendly but it is no longer inexpensive to live in Philly. Try Columbus, Ohio. It was one of the first gay meccas in the midwest.

by Anonymousreply 6302/24/2021

R49, I just moved to Columbus,Ohio having only been here a handful of times. I moved from a small town in Ohio and just couldn't take it anymore. I'm already in a relationship and , well, old. But I love going to the grocery store and seeing all the gay couples shopping together. I'm hopeful when the pandemic is over, I'll meet some friends in old age. But travel 15 minutes outside the city, and it is depressingly Trump Country.

by Anonymousreply 6402/24/2021

I lived there from 1986-1998. It was gay-friendly back then. Yes, avoid many of the small towns, but there are many liberal arts colleges in Ohio-I think Ohio is second only to Massachusetts for the number of colleges. So many of the small towns are pretty cool.

by Anonymousreply 6502/24/2021

Try again, R65.

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by Anonymousreply 6602/24/2021

Chicago real estate is quite affordable and the Mayor is a lesbian.

by Anonymousreply 6702/24/2021

R62 No. Austin is over. It's cancelled.

by Anonymousreply 6802/24/2021

Philadelphia? I hear it has good dick. But would I find tasteful friends there who appreciate decorating and collecting? Like the Georgetown couple.

by Anonymousreply 6902/24/2021

No, but maybe a butch sous chef or two.

by Anonymousreply 7002/24/2021

We need more gays to move to Georgia and Florida to keep Georgia blue and to make Florida blue. How about we take 10 million people out of California and move them to Florida, Georgia, Alaska, North Carolina. We have made Arizona blue and as long as we can get everyone out to vote in Georgia that will go blue throughout the state. We need to take more red states away from the Republicans.

by Anonymousreply 7102/24/2021

LaCrosse, Wisconsin.

by Anonymousreply 7202/24/2021

[quote]LaCrosse, Wisconsin.

A lot of lesbians there?

by Anonymousreply 7302/24/2021

Providence, Rhode Island, anyone?

Only 10 miles to Massachusetts, and an hour to Boston, less than an hour to some Boston suburbs.

Great restaurant scene, better gay nightlife than Boston pre pandemic, Brown, Providence College, Rhode island School of Art and Design, Johnson & Wales, had two gay bathhouses until the pandemic, artsy, near NYC, Provincetown/Cape Cod/Nantucket/Martha's Vineyard/lock Island, Newport, Rhode Island beaches, Mystic Seaport and Connecticut casinos.

Some lovely neighborhoods around Brown but also dumpy areas throughout the city.

Way cheaper than Boston but not as good an economy.

by Anonymousreply 7402/24/2021

Eugene, Oregon is an affordable city and very progressive. I mean, there are sculptures celebrating Rosa Parks and author Ken Kesey in the same downtown area. Eugene is home to the University of Oregon. And it's only 90 miles south of Portland. Springfield, Oregon, is next door to Eugene and is even more affordable.

by Anonymousreply 7502/24/2021

R50 So glad you noted the typo; we never would have figured that out.

by Anonymousreply 7602/25/2021

[quote]So glad you noted the typo; we never would have figured that out.

Well, had he not, some cunt would have "Oh, dear!"-ed him at least 20 posts ago.

by Anonymousreply 7702/25/2021

Definitely Madison, WI.

by Anonymousreply 7802/25/2021

R16 I had no idea The Raven in New Hope closed! How sad! Popping over there and having a drink with my husband was the highlight of (and requisite break from) visiting family in Central Jersey for the holidays.

by Anonymousreply 7902/25/2021

[quote]Are there any young gays in Palm Springs?

Sure! There are plenty of guys under 70.

by Anonymousreply 8002/25/2021

Fort Lauderdale qualifies but it's a lame city otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 8102/25/2021

I could have written this OP...in LA too.

Consider joining the FB group, "Where Gays Retire?", has some great info and the have zoom calls featuring different cities bi-weekly/monthly.

by Anonymousreply 8202/25/2021

[quote]We need to take more red states away from the Republicans.

Another civil war ought to do that.

by Anonymousreply 8302/25/2021

[quote] Fort Lauderdale qualifies but it's a lame city otherwise.

I think it's claim to fame is that it's very close to Miami. That's about it

by Anonymousreply 84Last Friday at 6:22 AM

Bisbee, Arizona. It's in the mountains, so it's not too hot. Lots of artist types and very gay friendly (I saw a number of rainbow flags in from of homes and businesses). City also has its own gay pride parade.

by Anonymousreply 85Last Friday at 8:08 AM

A search for Bisbee houses over 75 or even 50 years is a real disappointment - at any price, R85.

by Anonymousreply 86Last Saturday at 7:46 AM

FL is a shithole...right wing, Evangelical, anti-education, almost totally Republican. And yeah, SoFL is gay friendly, but overpriced and surrounded by Trumpees.

by Anonymousreply 87Last Saturday at 8:08 AM

Palm Desert is very conservative from what I hear. A bunch of retired old republicans who play golf at the country club.

by Anonymousreply 88Last Saturday at 3:35 PM

Winona, Minnesota.

There are cruising spots among the lakes.

by Anonymousreply 89Last Saturday at 4:17 PM

[quote]I'm curious is there is anyone here who just moved to an unfamiliar city. Some place not knowing anyone or having really travelled there.

I moved from North Carolina to Portland, Oregon having only spent about 24 hours in Portland and only knowing 2 friends of friends here. Still here 20 years later though I'm thinking of leaving.

You have to spend at least a little time someplace first. But then you may know right away that it's for you.

by Anonymousreply 90Last Saturday at 6:31 PM

R7, midtown Sacramento and Davis, CA are gay-friendly and affordable compared to the Bay Area. You can take the Amtrak/bus or BART combo to get into SF without driving. It could work if you don't need to be in an office in SF every day. Vallejo is affordable and attracting some gay people but extremely high crime.

by Anonymousreply 91Last Sunday at 1:30 AM

My lesbian client lives in Cincinnati with her partner, and they raised their children there. Gay can make it work in a lot of surprising areas.

by Anonymousreply 92Last Sunday at 1:36 AM

Pittsburgh

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by Anonymousreply 93Last Sunday at 1:47 AM

I recommend the coastal suburbs of New Haven in CT. It’s not a cheap area but not insane like Fairfield County either. Coastline and trail access, near the restaurants/cultural spots in New Haven, on the train line to NYC and easy access to beautiful CT and RI beaches. Guilford is very gay friendly BUT the town pretty much rolls up at 8pm each night. Good if you are already partnered.

by Anonymousreply 94Last Sunday at 3:17 AM

Bisbee, Arizona

Fort Collins, Colorado

Milford, Pennsylvania

by Anonymousreply 95Last Sunday at 5:39 AM

I know this may sound nuts but move to Chicago or New York OP. Both cities have seen a decline in populations. I am a real estate agent in Chicago and I also do rentals, rents have gone significantly in the past year. I've said for years. Chicago is the last affordable big city. New York is also relatively cheaper(ish) is the past year.

by Anonymousreply 96Last Sunday at 5:44 AM

Atlanta is nice - very good gay scene - but it is a big city, lots of traffic. etc.

by Anonymousreply 97Last Sunday at 5:50 AM

You must be insane r96. Yes New York is a little cheaper than at its peak, but it is still a very, very expensive city.

Your definition of "affordable" is completely out of step with reality.

by Anonymousreply 98Last Sunday at 5:59 AM

South East Maine,,,Portland, Wells, Ogunquit. Beautiful, but cold winters.

by Anonymousreply 99Last Sunday at 7:03 AM

R99 portland ME has a great food scene, it’s cold though.

by Anonymousreply 100Last Sunday at 7:41 AM

[quote] Bisbee, Arizona

I looked on a map and couldn't help but notice how close to the border of Mexico it is. It looks like a beautiful city from looking st the photo.

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by Anonymousreply 101Last Sunday at 9:08 AM

Looking on the web I came across this site. Some of the towns here look very nice. Has anyone ever been to any of them?

I may have to plan a few trips. I am a native Californian (native Angelino to be exact) and have lived here my whole life. Never was one to travel much, but I think this Covid quarantine has really made me want to get out and explore. I am also a homebody and artist who works from home so I will really need to love my surroundings.

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by Anonymousreply 102Last Sunday at 9:32 AM

R102 Northampton MA is on my list. I go there to use the bike trails and buy my recreational weed. Nice little progressive town but about 1.5+ hours from Boston

by Anonymousreply 103Last Sunday at 9:37 AM

Houston

by Anonymousreply 104Last Sunday at 2:12 PM

R37 One really has to know who their neighbors are when they pack up and move somewhere.

by Anonymousreply 105Last Sunday at 2:27 PM

Along with being gay-friendly, take into consideration the city's crime stats. Might be best to move outside the US.

by Anonymousreply 106Last Monday at 3:44 AM

[quote]Along with being gay-friendly, take into consideration the city's crime stats. Might be best to move outside the US.

Right on both points, R106. Otherwise many American gays would be planning their move to York, Pennsylvania (and their kitchen renovation.)

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by Anonymousreply 107Last Monday at 5:17 AM

R107 Is that a good price for that house?

by Anonymousreply 108Last Monday at 6:34 AM

Asheville, NC looks beautiful. Has anyone been there? How Trumpy is it?

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by Anonymousreply 109Last Monday at 6:58 AM

Don't listen to R91

That commute is soul-suckingly bad even if you don't have to be in the Bay every day.

Seriously. Your life is too short to live ducking stray bullets in Vallejo or fighting the dead-eyed masses to and from ballSac.

by Anonymousreply 110Last Monday at 8:12 AM

You have to really love heat in order to live in Palm Springs on a year-round basis.

by Anonymousreply 111Last Monday at 8:51 AM

R109, Asheville is a lesbian mecca. My lesbian colleague and her partner have a second home there.

by Anonymousreply 112Last Monday at 10:08 AM

Pay ZERO attention to R45. He's clearly a mental case with a grudge or is another one who failed in Atlanta and now wastes no opportunity to disparage it.

Atlanta like all big cities is a make it or break it place. If you make it you can have a wonderful life with all the amenities you could ask for at a much more affordable price than most cities that size. If you want quick access to the ocean, go elsewhere. Otherwise the area lakes are beautiful and the close proximity to the mountains is a big plus if you're into the great outdoors.

by Anonymousreply 113Last Monday at 10:17 AM

Savannah, Ga. is a very gay-friendly city OP. Not a big city but it does offer a nice level of amenities. And the food is excellent. And if you're a beach lover you can be on the sand in 20 minutes.

by Anonymousreply 114Last Monday at 10:20 AM

[quote] Philly is relatively affordable

Row homes go for half a mil and rent is also high.

by Anonymousreply 115Last Monday at 10:23 AM

My grandmother was born in Vallejo and she lived there through her childhood. About 6 years ago I was in the area, so I drove around Vallejo a little, just because of her history there. Wow, 100 years can make a profound difference in a place. I was disappointed in how run down and derelict it appeared to me. I'm sure there are nice parts of it, but I didn't see any. It looked like the people who live there now don't care about what it looks like. On the plus side, it must be cheaper to live there than other parts of the Bay Area, and the weather was nice.

by Anonymousreply 116Last Monday at 11:21 AM

In terms of more affordable places in the Bay Area, I lived in Vacaville briefly about a decade ago. It and Fairfield are halfway between SF and Sacramento and more affordable, or at least they were back then. From Fairfield you can use casual carpool or Amtrak to get to SF. Otherwise the commute is awful during business hours, I did it only once a week to the East Bay and hated it. Both cities are full of suburban comforts, chain restaurants, and discount shopping shopping and have a strong military presence from the nearby base.

by Anonymousreply 117Last Monday at 12:11 PM

I moved from southern California to Seattle in the early 90's and loved it. After a decade or so, it began to wear on me and I moved to Palm Springs. The heat really got to me and I was missing the PNW, but not Seattle. I moved back north and settled in Tacoma. I love it! It's a sleepy sort of town, but Seattle is just 40 minutes away if I want to any big city stuff. Tacoma's north end has beautiful old homes, great restaurants, small independent shops. Houses in the north end start around 400k, condos 200k. I wouldn't say we really have a gay neighborhood, it's very integrated, lots of houses with pride flags. People are pretty friendly, and it's definitely a progressive city. Seattle loves to put down Tacoma, but Seattle is a city in crisis, an absolute mess. I don't know the exact figures, but I'd be willing to bet that the crime rate is higher in Seattle.

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by Anonymousreply 118Last Monday at 12:35 PM

R108: The house in York, PA is crazy cheap. Median price for a house in the U S. is $340K. Even in backwater towns in backwater states, it is difficult to find a house of the quality, size, and good condition of the house in York. Part of the problem is that the city has a high incidence of crime; part owes to high property taxes ($15K a year for a $240K house.) A house like that in some nothing little town far from anywhere in Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, Missouri...would cost significantly more.

R109: Asheville isn't very Trump-ish at all.

by Anonymousreply 119Last Monday at 1:23 PM

I don't know, R113: I'm doing well in Atlanta, have been here for over a decade, and would leave in a heartbeat if my career would allow it. It's not that great at all. It's more affordable relative to other cities because it's so sprawling and doesn't have most big-city perks. Look at the rents/property costs in the small areas that actually resemble a city (mostly Midtown) and it's probably similar. The rest is all a suburb pretending it's not.

by Anonymousreply 120Last Tuesday at 10:14 AM

I can remember when Austin would be at the top of the list, but sadly it's now as expensive as L.A.

by Anonymousreply 121Last Tuesday at 10:19 AM

[quote][R109], Asheville is a lesbian mecca. My lesbian colleague and her partner have a second home there.

Shirley Hemphill was from there. Enough said.

by Anonymousreply 122Last Tuesday at 10:21 AM

I've always been intrigued by Southampton, MA and the surrounding area. The Berkshires look so charming. What's the weather like during the winter? Is it solid snow from Nov-Mar?

by Anonymousreply 123Last Tuesday at 10:23 AM

[quote] Along with being gay-friendly, take into consideration the city's crime stats. Might be best to move outside the US.

Why bother when they'll still take your taxes for 10 years after you renounce your citizenship?

Fine, go ahead and leave, that way when the GOP takes over it won't be your fault because you weren't here to stop them. Come to think of it, that would make it your fault.

by Anonymousreply 124Last Tuesday at 10:28 AM

[quote] Why bother when they'll still take your taxes for 10 years after you renounce your citizenship?

Huh?

by Anonymousreply 125Last Tuesday at 10:45 AM

"What's the weather like during the winter? Is it solid snow from Nov-Mar?"

Very cold, sometimes snowy winters. Great summers. How much cold can you stand?

by Anonymousreply 12613 hours ago

Provincetown, Mass. is ridiculously expensive now, but the cities and towns further down the cape are still somewhat affordable. Orleans, Brewster, Eastham, Harwich. More gays are buying in those towns who are priced out of P-town. They're still a short drive away.

by Anonymousreply 12712 hours ago

[quote]Why bother when they'll still take your taxes for 10 years after you renounce your citizenship?

[quote]Fine, go ahead and leave, that way when the GOP takes over it won't be your fault because you weren't here to stop them. Come to think of it, that would make it your fault.

Not even 3% of the U.S. population lives outside the U.S., and that figure includes the large number of people living temporarily outside the U.S., on work assignments, for education, etc.

The business of penalty for renouncing U.S. citizenship (and with it U.S. tax liabilities) is not so unreasonable. There is a fee of $2350; and any currently due taxes must be settled. An exit tax applies to people whose U.S. assets exceed $2M calculated to the day before they renounce citizenship or a tax liability (not income) in excess of $162K for the five consecutive years before leaving the U.S. If an exit tax applies, the amounts over allowed thresholds can be taxed at up to 23.8%. There are various deductions and allowances, including deferrals for large 401(k) and retirement accounts.

The 10-year liability for U.S. taxes thing is a myth.

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by Anonymousreply 12810 hours ago

I love the Berkshires. But it’s VERY small town and kinda remote. Much nicer than Hudson NY or some of the other upstate NY ghetto towns. Not a lot to do. A trip to NY or Boston is a weekend event. With that said, amazingly beautiful housing and environment with generally good politics - though New England reserve makes it not necessarily friendly.

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