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Dylan Farrow describes disturbing allegedly behavior by Woody Allen in new HBO doc: 'He was always hunting me'

Dylan Farrow appeared Sunday in the first installment of HBO's four-part docuseries Allen v. Farrow, where she spoke of her relationship with Woody Allen, her adoptive father whom Farrow alleges sexually abused her as a child. The charges were first levied against Allen in 1992, but after a custody battle denied Allen visitation rights, Dylan’s mother, actress Mia Farrow, declined to pursue criminal charges. While Allen has repeatedly denied the allegations in the nearly 30 years since they were first made, in Allen v. Farrow, Farrow describes a disturbing relationship with her father.

“I mean, I worshipped him. He was so funny and he made me feel so special. That’s where things get really, really complicated, because threaded throughout all of those good times, there was a lot more going on. Every time he showed up at the apartment, like a magnet, he would just come straight to me. Intense affection all the time,” Farrow said, adding, “I was always in his clutches. He was always hunting me.”

Farrow first opened up publicly about the alleged abuse in a 2014 letter in which she wrote, “I didn’t like when he would stick his thumb in my mouth. I didn’t like it when I had to get in bed with him under the sheets when he was in his underwear.” While the documentary has yet to air Farrow speaking specifically about the sexual abuse she allegedly suffered, in two of the more disturbing moments from the show, Farrow spoke about both of these situations.

“I have memories of getting into bed with him. He was in his underwear, and I'm in my underwear, cuddling,” Farrow said. “I remember his breath on me. He would just wrap his body around me, very intimately.”

And Farrow described Allen doing much more than simply sticking his thumb in her mouth.

“I remember sitting on the steps with him in the country house. There was nobody else around, and he was directing me on how to suck his thumb,” Farrow said, “telling me what to do with my tongue. And I think that lasted a while. It felt like a long time.”

In a statement, Allen and his wife — and Dylan's adoptive sister — Soon-Yi Previn, disputed the allegations made in Allen v. Farrow.

"These documentarians had no interest in the truth. Instead, they spent years surreptitiously collaborating with the Farrows and their enablers to put together a hatchet job riddled with falsehoods. Woody and Soon-Yi were approached less than two months ago and given only a matter of days 'to respond.' Of course, they declined to do so.

"As has been known for decades, these allegations are categorically false. Multiple agencies investigated them at the time and found that, whatever Dylan Farrow may have been led to believe, absolutely no abuse had ever taken place. It is sadly unsurprising that the network to air this is HBO — which has a standing production deal and business relationship with Ronan Farrow. While this shoddy hit piece may gain attention, it does not change the facts."

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by Anonymousreply 207Yesterday at 11:05 AM

This idiot was 2. What could he possibly remember other than the "memories" Mia implanted in him.

by Anonymousreply 1Last Monday at 2:17 PM

I think she was 7.

by Anonymousreply 2Last Monday at 2:20 PM

^she/her. I got my pronouns wrong. That's what she gets for having a boy's name.

by Anonymousreply 3Last Monday at 2:20 PM

I simply cannot stand this cunt. I loathe her more than I loathe Mia.

by Anonymousreply 4Last Monday at 2:21 PM

Same here, R4.

I don't believe her.

She's making this shit up just to take down Woody.

by Anonymousreply 5Last Monday at 2:23 PM

That's my bitchy stepdaughter. Mia must be so proud. MIA IS BITCH.

by Anonymousreply 6Last Monday at 2:35 PM

Never, ever, EVER forget that Mia accused Woody of being gay and used the allegations of abuse as proof. One of the worst homophobic stereotypes of them all if not the worst.

Fuck these racist grifters. Yeah, I called them racist and I will keep calling them racist. This is a witch hunt against a Jewish man and a Korean woman led by wypipo.

by Anonymousreply 7Last Monday at 2:38 PM

"I simply cannot stand this cunt. I loathe her more than I loathe Mia.

Shut up, Woody.

"She's making this shit up just to take down Woody."

Shut up again, Woody, you child molesting perv.

by Anonymousreply 8Last Monday at 2:40 PM

She remembers.

He molested her.

Woody Allen is just yet another pervy Hollywood scumbag.

by Anonymousreply 9Last Monday at 2:41 PM

[quote]R3 she/her. I got my pronouns wrong. That's what she gets for having a boy's name.

You got her AGE wrong.

by Anonymousreply 10Last Monday at 2:43 PM

[quote] Never, ever, EVER forget that Mia accused Woody of being gay and used the allegations of abuse as proof. One of the worst homophobic stereotypes of them all if not the worst.

Isn't her son Ronan gay?

If she was so homophobic, he wouldn't be supporting her.

by Anonymousreply 11Last Monday at 2:44 PM

What's wrong with a girl having a boy's name?

by Anonymousreply 12Last Monday at 2:45 PM

(Almost) nobody cares what really happened at this point. Just choose a side and have at it.

by Anonymousreply 13Last Monday at 3:39 PM

[quote] You got her AGE wrong.

You're right. I made it all up. But when in Rome....

by Anonymousreply 14Last Monday at 4:12 PM

I do not and will not have children but if I did and loved it as much as my pets, my behavior would probably be similar to what she is describing. My cat and dog sleep with me when I am naked. I am constantly cuddling and hugging them and pick the cat up all the time for smoochies.

by Anonymousreply 15Last Monday at 4:24 PM


Mia can rot in hell. With her own incestuous, intrusive and crazed mind.

by Anonymousreply 16Last Monday at 5:11 PM

This unhinged nut doesn't seem to understand her entire life has been ruined by believing her mother's lies. Pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 17Last Monday at 5:15 PM

Woody Allen has always been a disturbed perv.

by Anonymousreply 18Last Monday at 5:37 PM

I'm watching it right now and Mia comes off far more credibly than I was led to believe by the posters on here.

Dylan I can't really judge except to say that I believe that she believes it.

I love Woody Allen's movies, but sleeping with your teenaged step daughter if extremely fucked up.

by Anonymousreply 19Last Monday at 5:54 PM

I'm so sick of seeing the scrunched-up, shovel face of this mentally ill dingbat.

by Anonymousreply 20Last Monday at 6:00 PM

I hate ALL of them, but I don't believe Woody molested Dylan. They all need to die in a grease fire.

by Anonymousreply 21Last Monday at 6:00 PM

Woody is 85. How much longer does he have? He may as well admit to everything at this point.

by Anonymousreply 22Last Monday at 6:12 PM

Mia is 76. How much longer does she have? She may as well admit to everything at this point.

by Anonymousreply 23Last Monday at 6:18 PM

I wouldn't believe a thing out of either Mia or Woody's mouth. He's a creep, she's a creep.

by Anonymousreply 24Last Monday at 6:20 PM

I tried to get through "A Rainy Day In New York" but only made it to about 40 min. I didn't care about any of those characters.

by Anonymousreply 25Last Monday at 6:27 PM

"“As a seven year old, I would say he touched my private parts, which I did say,” Farrow said. “As a 32 year old, he touched my labia and my vulva with his finger.”

That's what she's been screaming about for over 20 years?

by Anonymousreply 26Last Monday at 6:27 PM

r26 you don't find that disturbing?

by Anonymousreply 27Last Monday at 6:29 PM

R26, you don't know shit about child development or the psychology of abuse, but if you cared you could google it and educate yourself. Too much to ask?

by Anonymousreply 28Last Monday at 6:34 PM

Is Ronan a Sinatra? He looks like him.

by Anonymousreply 29Last Monday at 6:36 PM

People in Hollywood are all famewhore narcissists or they would be in Hollywood. They also starve themselves and take tons of drugs. Their brains don't work properly. And they are entitled cunts with few boundaries. I lean toward believing the accusations of abuse until they are disproven. But none of these people are decent human beings.

by Anonymousreply 30Last Monday at 6:50 PM

I made the mistake of commenting on the Variety article about this on Twitter, and now I can't get untagged from the arguing back and forth. I need to mute the whole mess, but part of me is intrigued. To me it is clear that Mia needs attention, and likely money. This Dylan's Truth shit gets trotted out every 4 fucking years. Get it sorted PRIVATELY. Not that there should be anything left to sort. It has been DECADES. Private? Oh no, not In Mia's world. Also, who has 3 kids who died, 2 by suicide--the third one had some fucking issues as well--and who doesn't? Who has a brother who was sentenced to 25 years in prison for pedophilia and who doesn't?

One interesting thing from being constantly up in the mentions is that a remarkable number of child abuse survivors are chiming in to say that there are a disturbing number of red flags re: "Dylan's Truth", that much of it smells of untruth or at the best coaching. Combine that with the questionable attention seeking behavior on Mia's part (Munchhausen's by proxy anyone?) it does a great disservice for want of a better word to those who have truly been through it.

Dylan either has the IQ of a doorknob or is SO brainwashed that she can't possibly think critically enough to consider that she could have been coached by her mother. When she speaks she sounds like a robot without an original thought in her head.

Dory Previn warned Woody about Mia way back when. And that poor bitch fucking knew how Mia ticked. She learned the hard way. This whole thing is fucking ridiculous.

by Anonymousreply 31Last Monday at 6:54 PM

This mess is the Brangelina brood in 10 yrs.

by Anonymousreply 32Last Monday at 6:58 PM

Mia's disowning of Soon Yi is troublesome.

She acted like a jilted lover not a mother concerned with her daughter being taken advantage of. She should have put her child's needs first.

by Anonymousreply 33Last Monday at 6:58 PM

Dylan, the professional victim.

by Anonymousreply 34Last Monday at 7:02 PM

Mia was/is a mess but Woody is a pedophile creep. The sexualization of two of her children - both when they were children - is an aberration.

by Anonymousreply 35Last Monday at 7:06 PM

r31 YES! This really does have Munchhausen by proxy written all over it, and I don't understand why that isn't brought up more. Interesting about the CSA survivors takes.

R33 Agree completely. I don't think she ever had a bond with Soon-Yi (and according to Moses she wasn't the only one). She acted like you say far more like a jilted lover than anything close to a protective "momma bear" (sorry for trotting out a Frauism). Yeah, beating your adopted kid with a phone after finding out that she was possibly beguiled/seduced/whatever by your boyfriend. How protective!

by Anonymousreply 36Last Monday at 7:07 PM


by Anonymousreply 37Last Monday at 7:07 PM

How does she describe the rape?

Wasn't it that he pulled her into the attic and quickly did it?

Could a 57 year old man really perform sexually that quickly?

Reminds me of the line from Agnes of God where the elderly priest says he was the only man who Agnes sees and even if he had the inclination she'd have to be a very patient nun.

by Anonymousreply 38Last Monday at 7:08 PM

It's almost like Mia knew how best to exploit Dylan's problems for her own gain... -- But before the courtroom was closed, Schultz had described a fearful, isolated little girl who sometimes became so uncommunicative that her parents wondered whether she might be schizophrenic. Dylan, who was 5 when she began treatment with Schultz in 1991, needed help with something Schultz called "relatedness." She explained: "At times {Dylan} was difficult to reach. She would disengage. We worked very hard to help her develop a capacity for a consistent sense of connectedness."

The list of treatment goals sounds very long for a 5-year-old. Dylan suffered from separation anxiety and feared losing people she cared about. She needed to build a sense of trust, and found it difficult. Her school was concerned about her extreme shyness. Her thinking was hard to follow and "could become very confused and at times fragmented." Moreover, Schultz testified, Dylan "could very easily withdraw into fantasy" and become "so absorbed in a fantasy that at those times it was hard for her to sort out what was real."

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by Anonymousreply 39Last Monday at 7:09 PM

Out of Mia's 14 children, she seems to have only paid much attention to about four or five of them.

by Anonymousreply 40Last Monday at 7:09 PM

They're all crazy and insufferable. I can't even imagine the Mia/Woody household before it imploded. The pretentiousness and obnoxiousness must have been toxic.

by Anonymousreply 41Last Monday at 7:10 PM

I'm just like...what is the goal here?

Allen isn't going to jail.

His best films are behind him.

He'll most likely be dead in 5 years.

What's to be gained from bringing all this up AGAIN

by Anonymousreply 42Last Monday at 7:10 PM

Woody assaulted Dylan to get back at Mia. The whole relationship was to separate himself from Mia. He is sick.

by Anonymousreply 43Last Monday at 7:12 PM

Mia's brother is also in prison for child rape remember? So he could have been abused.

Could Mia have been the actual abuse victim and dredged it up when she wanted to take down Woody?

by Anonymousreply 44Last Monday at 7:14 PM

Have any of Mia's dead children chimed in yet?

Even a few of her non-white children who managed to live have a few choice comments about Mia's truthfulness, abuse and rage.

by Anonymousreply 45Last Monday at 7:14 PM

Mia's brother. The boys were 9.

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by Anonymousreply 46Last Monday at 7:17 PM

Mia may just be mad that she never got an Oscar from a Woody film. Women in his film pick them up right and left. I of course decided early on I didn't like him and never worked with him again.

But wasn't my hair fabulous in Manhattan?

by Anonymousreply 47Last Monday at 7:18 PM

The point, R42, is that 1/3 to 2/3 (who wants to report and be savaged?) of children have been sexually abused by the age of 18. The point is that silence always helps the tormentor, not the tormented. Until people who abuse children are held responsible no matter when or who, then it is the victims who are wronged, over and over again. It is very hard to accept that many men (usually) will do terrible things if they can get away with it, but until society accepts it, they can't do anything to stop it. Many people will do anything to satisfy their impulses. And abuse runs in families--it's called Repetition Compulsion.

by Anonymousreply 48Last Monday at 7:18 PM

Can’t say I believe her

by Anonymousreply 49Last Monday at 7:20 PM

R42 WINNING AT ALL COSTS. She knows he's going to pop his clogs sooner than later (though longevity runs in his family so who knows, he may outlive her). This bitch wants to win and she doesn't care what gets in her way. Like the truth for example. The real truth, not Dylan/Mia's fucking "truth".

by Anonymousreply 50Last Monday at 7:21 PM

I was impressed that Mia appreciated the aesthetic difference between Playboy and Hustler.

by Anonymousreply 51Last Monday at 7:21 PM

Joan Crawfords children wound up having a better life outcome than many of the Farrow kids. Go figure.

by Anonymousreply 52Last Monday at 7:22 PM

Mia seems as unnaturally fixated on Ronan. Sending him to college as a child? He seems messed up too with the hair dying, blue contacts and possible nose job. Woody, not Frank is your father Ronan. Accept it.

by Anonymousreply 53Last Monday at 7:24 PM

R53 you forgot the spray tan, but yes. Went overboard with the lips though.

Did Dylan end up being the one to popularize “my truth?” Because if so she should be cancelled for that alone,

by Anonymousreply 54Last Monday at 7:28 PM

R45 according to the media and public, those children's accounts are worthless. I've lost count of how many times I've seen comments along the lines of " well they were disabled so of course they had problems" or implying that they were already damaged goods.

Ronan and Dylan on the other hand are the proverbial Golden Children.

by Anonymousreply 55Last Monday at 7:33 PM

Their relationship was freakishly intimate - I don’t see it as a big leap of him molesting her.

LOL at Ronan going to the plastic surgeon and saying give me the Frank Sinatra.

by Anonymousreply 56Last Monday at 7:33 PM

I believe Woody. Read his book. He never had to scream his defense because he wasn’t guilty.

Meanwhile, Mia seems like an insane mother. Her relationship with young Ronan sounds creepier than Woody and Soon Yi’s.

by Anonymousreply 57Last Monday at 7:38 PM

R43, put the drink down and go to bed.

by Anonymousreply 58Last Monday at 7:41 PM

You believe Woody with all that is factual? The being in the underwear in bed and sexing a teenager daughter. Same as Micheal Jackson. Creep.

by Anonymousreply 59Last Monday at 7:42 PM

"You believe Woody with all that is factual? The being in the underwear in bed and sexing a teenager daughter."

R59, you're barely literate.

by Anonymousreply 60Last Monday at 7:45 PM

And you are clueless. Stop defending old pervert Woody Allen.

by Anonymousreply 61Last Monday at 7:46 PM

How many of these entitled perv directors have we got in Hollywood?

by Anonymousreply 62Last Monday at 7:52 PM

At least I. can read, R61. Btw, you have no proof of anything, stupid.

by Anonymousreply 63Last Monday at 7:53 PM

So...since these people love doing everything on Twitter, I have an idea.. Ronan can take a DNA test and post it online, proving once and for all that he's 50 percent Sinatra. Because this isn't just coy and manipulative attention getting by Ronan and Mia , right?

by Anonymousreply 64Last Monday at 7:53 PM

Ronan has to take a DNA test to satisfy you, R64? LMAOOOOOOO

by Anonymousreply 65Last Monday at 7:58 PM


by Anonymousreply 66Last Monday at 8:06 PM

It seemed suspiciously contrived when Dylan showed a photo of herself where she had cut Woody out of the photo, and then before our eyes we see that photo morph into the unexpurgated original.

by Anonymousreply 67Last Monday at 8:07 PM

"Tina Sinatra recently spoke to Showbiz 411 and said it 'couldn't be" true. Frank had a vasectomy before that."'

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by Anonymousreply 68Last Monday at 8:12 PM

there is no verifiable proof on this case because no one will give up DNA (looking at you, Ronan...when you look exactly like Frank). I am a person who was molested and i honestly don't believe Dylan's account, it doesn't ring true. i am not a big fan of Woody Allen but there are enough weird things in Mia's story and the fact that she was abusive to her daughter Soon Yi. i am willing to see things differently but the current evidence isn't exculpatory.

by Anonymousreply 69Last Monday at 8:28 PM

r36 Your post is a perfect example of the many comments I am seeing on Twitter from people who were also molested as I mentioned at r31 where Dylan's story just doesn't ring true for them

by Anonymousreply 70Last Monday at 8:33 PM

He stalked a teenage schoolgirl long before Mia. He was always a creep. So I believe Dylan. Bet he was mighty inappropriate. It’s her story not a million other molested girls’ story.

by Anonymousreply 71Last Monday at 8:41 PM

Shit, R69 I meant YOUR post is a perfect example. My apologies.

by Anonymousreply 72Last Monday at 8:53 PM

Oh god, you can't compare the two r71. Creep? Sure, fine. Frankly, almost the entire lot in this story are creepy. But that is a massive, ridiculous leap between having an attraction toward a teenager (which he has freely admitted to on a number of occasions, as well as making a film with that being a large part of the plot of it to boot) and ALLEGEDLY molesting your 7 year old kid.

by Anonymousreply 73Last Monday at 9:04 PM

This will be Brad Pitt in the next 5 years..

by Anonymousreply 74Last Monday at 9:15 PM

Does anyone here remember when the story first broke all those years ago, that Mia also accused Woody of molesting one of her sons (I can't remember which one)?

I remember watching Woody with cameras in his face when he denied the allegations, and he specifically brought up that Mia accused him of molesting one of the boys as well. Obviously that part of the story went nowhere because it hasn't been mentioned since.

by Anonymousreply 75Last Monday at 9:16 PM

Does Mia’s pedo brother visit them often? I wonder if it was actually him and not woody and Dylan’s memory is foggy because she was young?

by Anonymousreply 76Last Monday at 9:20 PM

[quote] People in Hollywood are all famewhore narcissists or they would be in Hollywood.

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 77Last Monday at 9:26 PM

So it’s confirmed by Moses that Mia’s pedo brother did visit them.

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by Anonymousreply 78Last Monday at 9:34 PM

Woody finger me good time since 10 year old.

by Anonymousreply 79Last Monday at 9:37 PM

I thought there was a vetting process for parents prior to adoption? And also, you need a license to drive...think about it...stop this unregulated breeding by fucktatds.

by Anonymousreply 80Last Monday at 9:39 PM

Yes I can R73

by Anonymousreply 81Last Monday at 10:20 PM

Team Mia OVERSHARES year after year after year. Sheesh - GO AWAY AND SHUT UP.

by Anonymousreply 82Last Monday at 10:23 PM

Is Woody's number in Epstein's little black book?

by Anonymousreply 83Last Tuesday at 2:29 AM

R83 Sure is.

by Anonymousreply 84Last Tuesday at 2:34 AM

R31, Dory Previn can warn all she wants, she was mentally ill. This is not a secret, she was in and out of psychiatric hospital her entire life. Woody is using her Dory Previn, ten years after her death, for his defense? Smells of desperation.

ALL of them need to go away.

by Anonymousreply 85Last Tuesday at 3:31 AM

That guy seriously LOOKS like a molester.

by Anonymousreply 86Last Tuesday at 4:21 AM

She has BPD face.

by Anonymousreply 87Last Tuesday at 4:24 AM

Can you go to court over a finger?

by Anonymousreply 88Last Tuesday at 4:28 AM

No. But you can over a thumb.

by Anonymousreply 89Last Tuesday at 4:30 AM

Is it just Mia or is Dylan crazy?

by Anonymousreply 90Last Tuesday at 4:41 AM

Look it's blindingly obvious he molested her. He married his step daughter and was caught with naked pictures of her. He wrote a movie where he spoke openly of his pedophilia.

All of the people defending him here knew he did all the years they were defending him. They are filth like he is. They should go defend him off of anonymous boards so they can get their due.

by Anonymousreply 91Last Tuesday at 4:46 AM

R22 Woody's got Ashkenazi Jewish genes. His father lived to 100, his mother to 95. Unless he gets cancer, he'll be around for a while.

by Anonymousreply 92Last Tuesday at 5:06 AM

R64, I seem to recall that, if Ronan took a DNA test that revealed him to be Frank Sinatra's son and he made the results public, there would be a legal case over the support that Woody Allen paid to Mia Farrow. That being said, I'm sure Ronan could help his mother pay Allen back if she's in dire straights. Maybe he's waiting for Allen to die. He definitely enjoys the speculation.

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by Anonymousreply 94Last Tuesday at 5:18 AM

R91 At risk of dipping into choppy waters, paedophilia refers only to an attraction to pre-pubescent children. There's also hebephilia (pubescent) and ephebophilia (post-pubescent, pre-adult). I know that removing the label of paedophilia makes it seem less bad, but the fact is that these are psychologically distinct entities.

by Anonymousreply 95Last Tuesday at 5:25 AM

Not his step daughter. He never married Mia. And he never lived with her either. He maintained his own apartment on the East Side during the whole relationship.

by Anonymousreply 96Last Tuesday at 5:41 AM

Lol they aren't. Now that pretending Dylan made it up has collapsed, the Woody defenders are hiding behind more absurd excuses. You people just support monstrous acts because you like his movies and lack the basic human empathy to care about anyone who isn't you. You people are broken. And you've caused a lot of pain in the pursuit of stanning a director.

by Anonymousreply 97Last Tuesday at 5:47 AM

Anyone who thinks Woody isn't into inappropriate sexual relationships with young women never saw "Manhattan."

by Anonymousreply 98Last Tuesday at 5:49 AM

R98 they know he did it. There is not one person on DL who in good faith believed he didn't molest Dylan. They just thinks it's either fine on the merits or think it's less important than him making movies they like. They never believed he was innocent

by Anonymousreply 99Last Tuesday at 5:51 AM

Unless mia used some of Frank’s stored away frozen cum, he’s not Ronan’s father. He had a vasectomy long before Ronan was conceived, plus he was over 70 and had a number of health issues.

by Anonymousreply 100Last Tuesday at 5:53 AM

I've worked with Woody Allen. I don't believe he was a child molester, but if he was, it would be the most normal thing about him.

by Anonymousreply 101Last Tuesday at 6:02 AM

That article by Moses is great. Very well written and seems credible.

by Anonymousreply 102Last Tuesday at 6:38 AM

Woody's films suck in his post Mia Soon-Yi phase. Coincidence? I think not.

by Anonymousreply 103Last Tuesday at 6:47 AM

People also willfully overlook the fact that Soon-Yi is mentally handicapped after having her head repeatedly slammed in a door as a child by her Vietnamese prostitute mother. Her and Woody's relationship is no love story. And they of course adopted daughters of their own, who knows what their stories are.

by Anonymousreply 104Last Tuesday at 11:13 AM

I like his movies. I also think he is a pedo / sexual deviant.

by Anonymousreply 105Last Tuesday at 11:31 AM

R104 in that case why didn’t Mia and Andre fight harder to get her away from Woody?

by Anonymousreply 106Last Tuesday at 11:48 AM

Mia’s claims about the circumstances of Soon-Yi’s early childhood have been inconsistent and remain uncorroborated. During the trial she and her friends constantly labeled soon-yi as dumb, slow, intellectually challenged—insults that Soon-Yi said she endured from the moment Mia adopted her.

If not for the molestation allegation, woody and soon-yi probably would never have stayed together.

by Anonymousreply 107Last Tuesday at 12:57 PM

R107 yeah I have no doubt they stayed together to lend an air of “legitimacy” to the whole thing.

It’s so weird though because she’s about 50 now, older than Mia was when this whole thing happened.

by Anonymousreply 108Last Tuesday at 2:31 PM

Yep, she is 50. It's wild.

I remember seeing the two of them on Madison Avenue around the time of the scandal, or shortly after. She was wearing a little mini-sundress, all youth, long hair, bare limbs, total college girl look. He looked like himself. Such an odd couple. They were politely fending off a fan.

by Anonymousreply 109Last Tuesday at 4:28 PM

I so pity the adopted kids, they were evid treated like shite.

by Anonymousreply 110Last Tuesday at 4:44 PM

Manhattan isn't the only film where WA drops hints about his pedophilia. Check out his films after 1976 and you'll find increasingly frequent and more blatant veiled references. This is typical of sociopaths who regard themselves as entitled to fulfill their desires and as much, much smarter than everyone else. They want to reveal themselves if they can play it off as jokes or art. They will avoid punishment at all costs, though.

by Anonymousreply 111Last Tuesday at 6:03 PM

This bitch needs to get off my ho stroll! Mama needs to pay her mortgage!

by Anonymousreply 112Last Tuesday at 6:06 PM

R104 Soon-Yi is not in the slightest mentally handicapped. That's simply false and insulting. She's a college graduate. The rest is all your mean-spirited supposition. You don't know anything about their marriage, their feelings, or their children any more than they know about yours.

by Anonymousreply 113Last Tuesday at 6:17 PM

Mia took child support for Ronan his entire childhood. If he's Frank's kid she should have had him pay not Woody.

by Anonymousreply 114Last Tuesday at 6:28 PM

They really were r110 If we could all pretend the bio kids/white kids were never born for just a moment, it sounds like it was going to be a tragic mess one way or another. Child hoarding is a mental disorder just as any sort of hoarding is. While some families do it out of true kindness, so many are into it for the attention, and the adulation, especially when they are special needs. Mia falls into this latter category. It really does stink of Munchhausen, and who knows what other mental disorder.

Mia, before Woody, had a reputation for being a flighty mess. He had a reputation for being a creep. Whatever. Both can remain true, but again, who has the passel of fucked up kids, and who doesn't? Who has the pedo brother still cooling his heels in prison? Who hasn't had a steady relationship (aside that with her own son, and why doesn't THAT get more attention)? She has never moved on, and I doubt she has plans to until one of them drops dead, or until she wins.

As another poster put it. What is her end game? Why every few years does this come up? Now a fucking one sided documentary? Money, honey? Putting your family in the spotlight they never asked for (except for the golden son and the political football girl) just to try and accomplish what? I so think it is only about winning, and nothing more. She wants to "win this one". But not for her kid, or her family, she wants to win this for herself.

by Anonymousreply 115Last Tuesday at 6:28 PM

R111 yeah I don’t know about that necessarily - we can’t keep putting our “me too” lens (or really, the past 20 or so years) on jokes from back in the day. In the 70s especially there weren’t topics “off limits” to joke about. (And a lot of those jokes were funny, btw)

That 1976 interview with People magazine is always pointed out as some “smoking gun,” but really it’s just the Woody trademark self deprecation (coupled with the freedom celebrities felt to bring up off color subjects in interviews - just read any interview from back then, they were far less censored even in People.)

by Anonymousreply 116Last Tuesday at 6:28 PM

R104 Soon Yi is Korean. She was found abandoned in Seoul. You probably got the prostitue story from this Vulture article. Interesting how Mia's manipulations become "truth" in this game of Chinese whispers (just to complete the "oriental" theme of this whole rumor).

[quote]When Soon-Yi was a girl, she says, Farrow asked her to make a tape about her origins, detailing how she’d been the daughter of a prostitute who beat her. The request puzzled her, Soon-Yi says, since she had no memory of anything like that, so she refused. (Soon-Yi says she’d love to find her biological mother, but she assumes she’s dead; a 23andMe kit she tried didn’t turn up any promising matches.)

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by Anonymousreply 117Last Tuesday at 6:44 PM

Odd that Dylan wears her hair red (obviously dyed) considering she doesn't want to be Woody's daughter.

by Anonymousreply 118Last Tuesday at 6:47 PM

This bitch. Perpetual victim. What a wasted life.

by Anonymousreply 119Last Tuesday at 6:56 PM

[quite] Mia, before Woody, had a reputation for being a flighty mess.

Ha! Ha! Ha! I'll say.

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by Anonymousreply 120Last Tuesday at 7:10 PM

What an ugly child nobody would molest her!

by Anonymousreply 121Last Tuesday at 7:12 PM

r120 - i have to admit, i had NO idea Dory Previn was female. and that song! Mia seems all kinds of psycho now given her claims, Dory's music/influence and her adopted son Moses' article, plus Soon Yi's accusations that she was abusive to the adopted kids, including her. Definitely not a WA apologist, just that there is enough evidence here to show Mia's a bit of a wackadoodle. And WA and SY are still together after all these years. Yes it was an inappropriate age difference but they never actually shared a domicile and there are some outlying questions about what actually happened since we have some differing accounts from the kids in that relationship.

by Anonymousreply 122Last Tuesday at 7:27 PM

Mia mia, why you putting your precious dylan thru this... follow the $$$

by Anonymousreply 123Last Tuesday at 8:09 PM

R116, I see your point. Though I don't remember my contemporaries finding the remarks/jokes particularly funny then--it was more like, "huh?" But, yes, I did ASSUME they were jokes until the accusations--so much has come out from people claiming he hung out outside high schools, the three underage (under 18) girlfriends. I think he's just too well-known and bankable to get kicked to the curb, where he deserves to be. If Epstein hadn't died, he'd have his supporters/defenders, too, believe it.

by Anonymousreply 124Last Tuesday at 8:48 PM

Woody Allen describes their relationship:

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by Anonymousreply 125Last Tuesday at 9:08 PM

Rare footage of Soon-Yi speaking on camera... Yeah, she sounds like a real intellectual powerhouse:

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by Anonymousreply 126Last Tuesday at 9:11 PM

[quote]Soon-Yi is not in the slightest mentally handicapped.

Then how do explain her marrying Woody?

by Anonymousreply 127Last Tuesday at 9:22 PM

R126 She sounds like a perfectly normal person trying to make the best of an awkward gondola ride with her wise-cracking husband a bunch of cameras pointed at her face. Not everyone has a quip for every occasion.

by Anonymousreply 128Last Tuesday at 9:25 PM

R122 I love Dory and have a number of her records.

And yes, that song! Dory cuts her to shreds and then sets the shreds on fire. It's a reminder of how manipulative Mia can be.

by Anonymousreply 129Last Wednesday at 4:31 AM

I haven't sat through a single one of his movies in about 20 years and I think the charges against him are crap. If you can convict Woody Allen based on fictional characters in a fictional movie, then what does that make Walt Disney:

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by Anonymousreply 130Last Wednesday at 4:35 AM

I don’t believe Dylan at all. Mia is a crazy cunt. Ronan looks embalmed.

by Anonymousreply 131Last Wednesday at 4:48 AM

I find everyone's demeanor while recounting their experiences weird. They all seem so smug, as opposed to afflicted (especially Ronan).

by Anonymousreply 132Last Wednesday at 5:42 AM

It wasn't that celebrities were "less censored" when interviewed in the 1970s, it's that there was a whole culture around sexualizing little kids, starting in the 1960s and going until basically the Satanic Panic, that's what the Satanic Panic was a backlash against.

There's an interview in a mag with Severn Darden and Joanna Petit where they've been photographed surrounded by naked little kids about age 5, it was supposed to be cute and saucy at the same time. Alice Cooper said in an interview that his sex fantasy was to find an underaged girl by the side of the road and rape her. Rock mags were talking about young groupies as though they were the normal rewards of the profession. Steven Tyler and Ted Nugent had guardianship of underage girls so they could fuck them.

It's possible Woody Allen was just saying those things about underage girls to sound hip or to reference his own work, which was influenced by all the sexy underage girls in European films at the time, but honestly I don't feel sorry for him for having it dredged up constantly. I'd rather see ALL of the skeevy stuff celebrities said and did in the 60s and 70s brought up all the time, not just Woody's stupid fetishes.

by Anonymousreply 133Last Wednesday at 5:58 AM

From Vanity Fair (1992):

[quote] Naughty Mama was reportedly a prostitute; for punishment, she would force Soon-Yi to kneel in a doorway, and she would slam the door against the little girl’s head. One day she left the child on a street in Seoul and said she would be back in five minutes. Then she disappeared forever. When the orphanage found Soon-Yi, she spoke no known language, just gibberish.

[quote] Prior to Tam, she was the oldest child Mia had adopted; she was also the most learning-deprived, the quietest and least socialized of all the children. She has always worked extraordinarily hard, spending hours on homework it took others a half-hour to complete. Because of her learning disabilities, she took the S.A.T.’s untimed.

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by Anonymousreply 134Last Wednesday at 11:50 AM


Was she going to do better? She surely could have found a man more age appropriate, but not much better looking and definitely not as rich. I think Soon-Yi knew exactly what she was doing, and that the relationship was her way of escaping Mia and enjoying a comfortable life. Allen is so old at this point, she probably rarely has to put out for him.

by Anonymousreply 135Last Wednesday at 1:10 PM

Hey Suess- this is exhausting. I'm sorry for their contagious craziness. But, I am so glad I can change to another channel. BYE

by Anonymousreply 136Last Wednesday at 1:15 PM

Mia = Borderline, Woody = narcissist. So, they deserved each other, perhaps?

by Anonymousreply 137Last Wednesday at 5:47 PM

How would Mia or anyone else know about Soon-Yi's childhood abuse if she was nonverbal when somebody from the orphanage found her? Soon-Yi didn't relate these incidents to Mia later on since Mia claimed to know everything at the time of the adoption. So who's her source? Soon-Yi's biological mother had "disappeared forever," so she didn't come back and narrate the abuses out of guilt.

by Anonymousreply 138Last Wednesday at 6:03 PM

[quote]People also willfully overlook the fact that Soon-Yi is mentally handicapped after having her head repeatedly slammed in a door as a child by her Vietnamese prostitute mother.

Soon-Yi went to Columbia. I've met and been around her a number of times. She isn't the slightest bit "handicapped", but I guess your creative writing and mindreading is more important than the truth.

Child psychiatrists who work with abused children determined Dylan was merely repeating what Mia had coached her to say. Disobeying Mia will get you beaten physically with a hairbrush and verbally abused. Fact. These allegations are now nearly thirty years old. Mia is bonkers and a severely damaged child hoarder. Also a fact.

I wish all the ridiculous axe-grinders would quit calling Woody a "Hollywood" anything. He never goes there and does not live nor work there, he lives in New York.

by Anonymousreply 139Last Wednesday at 6:09 PM

R104, R126 and R134 are all the same person, probably Mia , still trying her very best to spread the "Soon-Yi is a retard" story.

by Anonymousreply 140Last Wednesday at 7:23 PM

I directly quoted from a linked article from Vanity Fair, but clearly in your mind that's my creative writing.

These Woody defenders keep pleading 'how can we know' as a defense when they can't possibly know any better themselves. And just because Mia is batshit that doesn't make any and all infractions against her false.

by Anonymousreply 141Last Wednesday at 7:26 PM

You're not thinking as creatively as Mia, R137. Orphanages in South Korea have a team of detectives in their employ to track down every detail about the domestic life and parentage of their nonverbal, abandoned charges. It's like Sherlock Holmes, but for people no one cares about.

by Anonymousreply 142Last Wednesday at 7:37 PM

R138 LOL. Mia might not have thought that one through...

by Anonymousreply 143Last Wednesday at 7:40 PM

I’ve seen woody and soon yi out in my neighborhood over the years. She doesn’t seem mentally delayed in the slightest and their two daughters seem very sweet. Would not surprise me if she’s a good mother.

by Anonymousreply 144Last Thursday at 12:17 AM

Well... Soon-Yi outsmarted Mia, anyway

by Anonymousreply 145Last Thursday at 1:40 AM

Soon-Yi wasn't completely non-verbal when Mia adopted her R138 and R143, it sounds like she learned language in the year she spent in the orphanage. Both the VF article (in the parts you removed from the quote, R138) and the Marion Marsh book are pretty clear that Soon-Yi was already communicating with Mia when Mia stayed in the orphanage for several days, waiting for the adoption to go through.

by Anonymousreply 146Last Thursday at 1:56 AM

[quote] I directly quoted from a linked article from Vanity Fair,

Ah yes, because it was printed in a magazine as part of an article titled “Mia’s Story” it must be true!

by Anonymousreply 147Last Thursday at 2:04 AM

[quote]Soon-Yi went to Columbia. I've met and been around her a number of times. She isn't the slightest bit "handicapped", but I guess your creative writing and mindreading is more important than the truth.

I worked with junior high kids who had learning disabilities, which is what Soon-Yi's situation was described as, and they don't "seem handicapped" either. A lot of people here are confusing special needs with learning disabilities, describing them as whatever you WANT them to be, based on your own personal agenda.

Soon-Yi having emotional issues due to traumatic upbringing, and needing special schools and an untimed SAT, doesn't mean she's going to appear to people as "handicapped" when in a social or work setting decades after she's left school. For example, the problems she had with nuance and literalism described in the 2004 article is something that could have improved as she aged, matured, got better at the English language, or maybe she even had some professional help, a lot of adults do.

There's no reason to think all those people in those articles were lying about Soon-Yi's abilities when she was young, just because she's doing so well now. There is no inconsistency here, because her disabilities when she was a kid had NOTHING to do with her inherent intelligence, but rather with some external factors that she seems to have managed really well.

by Anonymousreply 148Last Thursday at 2:04 AM

I think that Mia Farrow is nuts and Woody Allen is guilty.

by Anonymousreply 149Last Thursday at 2:19 AM

The soon yi/woody Allen daughters are both on Instagram and seem close with their parents, close with each other and like normal NYC rich kids. Very different from the Mia farrow brood in that dark hoarder house in Connecticut.

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by Anonymousreply 150Last Thursday at 3:11 AM

Woody is very touchy feely with his new daughters just like he was with Dylan. Though it doesn't mean it went any further than outward affection.

I'm very sorry for the Farrows. Woody fucked them over big time and was old enough to know better but whilst I do have a very small degree of doubt I don't think he molested Dylan. She truely believes he did but that is the 'truth' she believes.

Must say though Woody hasn't bagged Dylan or Ronan. He has laid the blame on Mia but both guilty in different ways for the damage done to the Farrow clan.

by Anonymousreply 151Last Thursday at 3:29 AM

Woody "doesn't seem like a molester". "I don't think he molested..."

um. Ok.

Yet, he married a person that was a mere child when he met her and of course, the others are lying about being molested.

This is exactly the problem with idiots that expect molesters to "look" and "act" like molesters in front of them.


by Anonymousreply 152Last Thursday at 3:33 AM

The show is such a hatchet job on Mia. None of her unusual actions or odd inactions is ever questioned. While Woody does seem emotionally unbalanced, Mia comes across as downright creepy.

If Woody did it, Mia made sure that he can never be called to account.

If Woody did not do it, Mia is a sociopath.

Either way should should never have been let anywhere near children.

by Anonymousreply 153Last Thursday at 3:56 AM

"Yet, he married a person that was a mere child when he met her"

Um...except for the fact that she was not a mere child but an adult woman when he took up with her and later married her, R152. So that certainly doesn't make him a pedophile. He didn't have anything to do with his future wife when she was a child.

by Anonymousreply 154Last Thursday at 3:58 AM

So over the hand wringing frau hysteria judgment about woody and soon yi. Tell that to any man who marries a much younger woman. Has been happening for all of time. Yeah it’s gross she was the adopted daughter of his partner but enough already. Men are nasty. And she’s no fool. Both seem like they got what they wanted out of it and they remain together decades later. Big fucking deal.

Meanwhile Mia Dylan and Ronan are still consumed by shit that happened in the early 90s. Ronan probably to the detriment of his own career. He’s beaten this to death. No one gives a fuck anymore.

by Anonymousreply 155Last Thursday at 4:04 AM

R152 by that definition Celine Dion and Emmanuel Macron are also victims of pedophilia

by Anonymousreply 156Last Thursday at 4:05 AM

Um, R154 I said when he MET her. She was a child.

by Anonymousreply 157Last Thursday at 4:12 AM

R154, how TF do you know what he had to do w her when she was a child? She was a child. He met her as his gf CHILD. If that is normal to you, get therapy.

by Anonymousreply 158Last Thursday at 4:13 AM

R152 They are, aren’t they?

by Anonymousreply 159Last Thursday at 4:13 AM

Most men who marry younger women do not meet them before they reach puberty.

And they are not parents of the younger woman's siblings.

In fact, most men do not get sexually involved with their lover's children at all.

It may not be criminal....but it is weird and demonstrates emotional dysfunction. Allen and Previn crossed one of the most common boundaries family in relationships, which shows that their concepts of family, parenthood, spousal relationships, etc. are not those shared by most others.

by Anonymousreply 160Last Thursday at 4:26 AM

[quote] It may not be criminal....but it is weird and demonstrates emotional dysfunction.

Has anyone argued that Allen isn’t emotionally dysfunctional?

We can acknowledge Allen is an inappropriate creep while also recognizing that Mia herself is a dysfunctional person who has dragged her child into this seemingly never-ending cycle of rehashing her supposed molestation.

Woody being a dick and Mia being nuts are not mutually exclusive.

by Anonymousreply 161Last Thursday at 4:33 AM

I think Mia getting knocked up by her best friend's husband and then cheating on him with Sven Nykvist, after cheating on Frank Sinatra with John Phillips, displays similar contempt for "common boundaries" and "concepts of family, parenthood, spousal relationships etc."

by Anonymousreply 162Last Thursday at 4:34 AM

Mia said she intended to breastfeed Ronan until he was eight years-old, but Woody is the clingy inappropriate one. Ok.

I wonder when she actually stopped. Someone should ask Ronan.

by Anonymousreply 163Last Thursday at 4:49 AM

R163, that is a false equivalence.

Woody Allen has been accused BY THE VICTIM of sexual abuse. Family friends, family noticed how creepy Woody was toward her.

Not a leap to conclude he is a pedo.

Oh yeah. He married a woman who was his girlfriends child. He met her WHEN she was a child.

Nothing to see here. Oh wait.....Mia wanted to breastfeed her kid longer than what is considered normal, so Woody must be innocent.

by Anonymousreply 164Last Thursday at 4:53 AM

I assume they're rehashing this because it's newly "relevant" in light of #metoo. It's no doubt aimed at a younger generation (especially of women) who weren't around when it all hit the fan.

by Anonymousreply 165Last Thursday at 5:04 AM

R164 totally clueless about what anything it said means. I guess twisting facts and reality helps hide the clues.

by Anonymousreply 166Last Thursday at 5:09 AM

I'm not making a false equivalence, I' pointing out that accusers are frequently projecting their own issues, of which Mia, Queen of the thirty-year grudge, seems to have in spades, that's all.

The authorities in two states said the "victim" was not credible and was clearly "coached". Who would do that to a child? Does Woody have any dead children? He'll need four of them to beat Mia!

by Anonymousreply 167Last Thursday at 5:19 AM

There’s just too much..too much wrong with Mia and that Dylan comes off really abnormal. I don’t run to believe them, or that story at ALL.

by Anonymousreply 168Last Thursday at 5:23 AM

Dylan is far too old to be just repeating what Mia told her to when she was 7 years old. Manipulation doesn't work like that. And only one set of experts said she was potentially coached, and that was the Yale-New Haven team, whose report really did sound like it could go either way. The court said their claim that Dylan was coached wasn't compelling.

Even if she was, you can't explain why she's still telling the same story 30 years later. She hasn't cashed in on it.

by Anonymousreply 169Last Thursday at 5:23 AM

[quote]Mia said she intended to breastfeed Ronan until he was eight years-old, but Woody is the clingy inappropriate one. Ok.

Mia being inappropriate doesn't mean Woody WASN'T. That really isn't how this works!

by Anonymousreply 170Last Thursday at 5:24 AM

All of those people who found Allen's behavior toward Dylan "creepy" seem to have changed their judgement in retrospect. At the time they say they witnessed the behavior, they took no action.

So it clearly did not appear that creepy at the time.

by Anonymousreply 171Last Thursday at 5:27 AM

I wouldn't put it past Woody Allen to simply not realize what he was doing was inappropriate, because he kept doing things in front of other people. The tanning lotion incident was right out in the open, so was apparently an incident where he held Soon-Yi's hand, and he wasn't hiding when he put his face in Dylan's lap.

We do know he was told that holding hands with Soon-Yi looked bad, and rubbing lotion on a naked Dylan was inappropriate, r171, so it's not like people didn't say something to him. We also know that both times he basically said "no, it's not," and he wasn't hiding any of it, so I'd say he didn't think he was doing anything wrong.

by Anonymousreply 172Last Thursday at 5:30 AM

R167, you basically compared Mia's desire to breast feed her child for longer than what is considered normal to Woody Allen's "clingy" behaviors. So, ya. You did.

What is w all of the freaks here who excuse his creepy predatory pedo perversions?

Holy crap.

by Anonymousreply 173Last Thursday at 5:32 AM

I work with children on sexual assault cases. I do believe Dylan believes something happened to her, but I find Mia's behavior in both dealing with the alleged abuse and in the years after extremely unhealthy. Most parents who want to help their children move forward put them into intense therapy and then try their best to move forward. Like everyone has been saying - to dwell on this for years and years - it's says more about the parent than the child.

I am very interested to see the video on next week's episode where Dylan describes the abuse as a 7 year old. Should be telling.

by Anonymousreply 174Last Thursday at 5:34 AM

. Allen subsequently lost four exhaustive court battles—a lawsuit, a disciplinary charge against the prosecutor, and two appeals—and was made to pay more than $1 million in Mia’s legal fees. Judge Elliott Wilk, the presiding judge in Allen’s custody suit against Farrow, concluded that there is “no credible evidence to support Mr. Allen’s contention that Ms. Farrow coached Dylan or that Ms. Farrow acted upon a desire for revenge against him for seducing Soon-Yi.”

5. In his 33-page decision, Judge Wilk found that Mr. Allen’s behavior toward Dylan was “grossly inappropriate and that measures must be taken to protect her.” The judge also recounts Farrow’s misgivings regarding Allen’s behavior toward Dylan from the time she was between two and three years old. According to the judge’s decision, Farrow told Allen, “You look at her [Dylan] in a sexual way. You fondled her . . . You don’t give her any breathing room. You look at her when she’s naked.”

6. Dylan’s claim of abuse was consistent with the testimony of three adults who were present that day. On the day of the alleged assault, a babysitter of a friend told police and gave sworn testimony that Allen and Dylan went missing for 15 or 20 minutes, while she was at the house. Another babysitter told police and also swore in court that on that same day, she saw Allen with his head on Dylan’s lap facing her body, while Dylan sat on a couch “staring vacantly in the direction of a television set.” A French tutor for the family told police and testified that that day she found Dylan was not wearing underpants under her sundress. The first babysitter also testified she did not tell Farrow that Allen and Dylan had gone missing until after Dylan made her statements. These sworn accounts contradict Moses Farrow’s recollection of that day in People magazine.

7. The Yale-New Haven Hospital Child Sex Abuse Clinic’s finding that Dylan had not been sexually molested, cited repeatedly by Allen’s attorneys, was not accepted as reliable by Judge Wilk, or by the Connecticut state prosecutor who originally commissioned them. The state prosecutor, Frank Maco, engaged the Yale-New Haven team to determine whether Dylan would be able to perceive facts correctly and be able to repeat her story on the witness stand. The panel consisted of two social workers and a pediatrician, Dr. John Leventhal, who signed off on the report but who never saw Dylan or Mia Farrow. No psychologists or psychiatrists were on the panel. The social workers never testified; the hospital team only presented a sworn deposition by Dr. Leventhal, who did not examine Dylan.

All the notes from the report were destroyed. Her confidentiality was then violated, and Allen held a news conference on the steps of Yale University to announce the results of the case. The report concluded Dylan had trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality. (For example, she had told them there were “dead heads” in the attic and called sunset “the magic hour.” In fact, Mia kept wigs from her movies on styrofoam blocks in a trunk in the attic.) The doctor subsequently backed down from his contention.

The Connecticut state police, the state attorney, and Judge Wilk all had serious reservations about the report’s reliability.

Allen changed his story about the attic where the abuse allegedly took place. First, Allen told investigators he had never been in the attic where the alleged abuse took place. After his hair was found on a painting in the attic, he admitted that he might have stuck his head in once or twice. A top investigator concluded that his account was not credible.

“I believe my sister. This was always true as a brother who trusted her, and, even at 5 years old, was troubled by our father’s strange behaviour around her: climbing into her bed in the middle of the night, forcing her to suck his thumb — behaviour that had prompted him to enter into therapy focused on his inappropriate conduct with children prior to the allegations.”

Soon Yi was 8 years old when Woody met her.

by Anonymousreply 175Last Thursday at 5:39 AM

The problem R173 is that at this point only two people really know what happened. Mia and Woody. Was Dylan coached or not? Dylan would not know. Only Mia and Woody.

If Woody was sexual with Dylan, Mia was complicit. She states in the documentary that she witnessed various disturbing behaviors. But she also indicates that she waited years before taking action.

If Woody did it he bears guilt. If he did not, then he does not.

But if he did it or if he did not, either way Mia bears guilt. She either started a lie or was complicit with a pedophile.

by Anonymousreply 176Last Thursday at 5:40 AM

[quote]I wouldn't put it past Woody Allen to simply not realize what he was doing was inappropriate, because he kept doing things in front of other people.

He must be on the spectrum, because he has no sense of how his actions might be extremely disturbing to others.

Even after the Soon-Yi scandal broke, Allen told the casting director for Mighty Aphrodite that he wanted Mia for one of the parts, because he thought she was appropriate for the role. The casting director said to him, "What, are you nuts?"

He also didn't understand why suing his producers Jacque Safra and Jean Doumanian would affect their friendship with him -- I remember reading that he expected them to chalk it up to business and that they would just all go out to dinner afterwards.

by Anonymousreply 177Last Thursday at 5:43 AM

R176, if everybody accused victims of "being coached" there would be no pedos in prison. Allen has a LOT of money Here are facts:

He has been accused of sexual abuse. Friends of the family saw his odd behaviors and were suspicious. Family members too. It was established in court that his behavior was "grossly inappropriate". If he were poor, he would be doing time right now.

He met soon yi when she was 8.

He is a pedo. But he is rich and powerful and he has ppl excusing his behavior and victim blaming and calling Mia nuts.

Sound like a bunch of trumpers the way they deny who he is.

by Anonymousreply 178Last Thursday at 5:44 AM

Actually, R177 that is how a narcissist behaves.

by Anonymousreply 179Last Thursday at 5:45 AM

R178, but children are coached. Many actual victims are coached. But even their testimony becomes unreliable.

It is possible that Woody did it and Mia coached Dylan. And it is possible that Woody did not do it and Mia coached Dylan. The two situations would be indistinguishable at this point.

That is what is so insidious.

by Anonymousreply 180Last Thursday at 5:50 AM

[quote]The problem is that at this point only two people really know what happened. Mia and Woody. Was Dylan coached or not? Dylan would not know.

Complete “brainwashing” to the point of amnesia is actually very rare, if possible at all.

by Anonymousreply 181Last Thursday at 5:51 AM

[quote] Dylan is far too old to be just repeating what Mia told her to when she was 7 years old. Manipulation doesn't work like that. And only one set of experts said she was potentially coached, and that was the Yale-New Haven team, whose report really did sound like it could go either way. The court said their claim that Dylan was coached wasn't compelling. Even if she was, you can't explain why she's still telling the same story 30 years later. She hasn't cashed in on it.

It’s clear you have no idea how memory works or how people can be conditioned to believe in events that never happened, in memories that never occurred.

I have a female friend who believes she was molested as part of a satanic cult in our small hometown. She claims she has vivid memories of the abuse and was forced to eat baby mice and feces. She’s insisted that this delusion did happen for more than four decades. She really believes it. Are we suppose to accept her story because it hasn’t “changed” in nearly forty years?

Read up on recovered memories or the work for Robert Jay Lifton. Our brains are incredibly plastic and susceptible to all kinds of conditioning or manipulation.

As for her not cashing in on it, do you think she’s doing this doc for free?!

by Anonymousreply 182Last Thursday at 5:56 AM

God, R182. Stop looking so deeply into it and apologizing for him.

He is a pedo.

by Anonymousreply 183Last Thursday at 6:00 AM

This is less credible than anything Q ever pulled out of its ass.

Lying white bitches are lying.

by Anonymousreply 184Last Thursday at 6:00 AM

[quote]I have a female friend who believes

Don't care, doesn't matter.

The kind of brainwashing you're describing is rare to the point of nonexistent, and Robert Jay Lifton himself showed that POWs who were "brainwashed" had their thoughts return to normal after they returned home, and there was no permanence to said "brainwashing." Other studies about POWs showed "brainwashing" didn't even exist. It's all theory.

You can do the "educate yourself" shtick all you want, you're the one who is being irrational here, claiming your single anecdote and your misunderstanding of Robert Jay Lifton's studies proves Dylan was brainwashed.

by Anonymousreply 185Last Thursday at 6:02 AM

R185, YES.

by Anonymousreply 186Last Thursday at 6:03 AM

R184, I had no idea convicts were allowed to post on DL!!!

by Anonymousreply 187Last Thursday at 6:05 AM

Here, maybe this will help the deniers:

Today, a 45 year old unemployed black man was arrested for sexual abuse of a child. Seven year old girl tells her mother that boyfriend would molest her in the attic. He would also "teach her how to suck his thumb". Sibling has confirmed this. Family members and friends corroborate that accused has acted grossly inappropriate toward the 7 year old IN THEIR presence. Currently, the unemployed black man is dating the girlfriends daughter, who he met when she was 8 years old.

by Anonymousreply 188Last Thursday at 6:10 AM

Ronan Farrow will end up losing his reputation as a serious journalist over this.

by Anonymousreply 189Last Thursday at 6:11 AM

Mmmm, he doesn’t need your vague worries about him.

He knows his sister, and he knows what he saw.

by Anonymousreply 190Last Thursday at 6:48 AM

Apparently Mia also made it look like she was having an affair with Frank Sinatra's valet just to make him jealous. Since the valet was black and this was the 1960s, he lost his job. See chapter 1 in the google books preview. Apparently Ava Gardner referred to Mia as a "fag with a pussy," whatever that means exactly.

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by Anonymousreply 191Last Thursday at 10:45 AM

[quote]Apparently Ava Gardner referred to Mia as a "fag with a pussy," whatever that means exactly.

It means exactly what she said it means: Mia is a "gay" "man" trapped in a woman's body, the inverse of all "gay" "men," who are actually heterosexual women trapped in male bodies.

by Anonymousreply 192Last Thursday at 10:47 AM

By the Way, Woody Allen is Innocent

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by Anonymousreply 193Last Thursday at 10:48 AM

R181, that is with adults.

Children's memories are much more malleable. That is why crimes against children are so hard to prosecute.

by Anonymousreply 194Last Thursday at 11:03 AM

R190 Ronan knows what he saw? When he was 4? How much do you remember clearly from age 4? Or does he just remember what he was told repeatedly by his mother? He is the least credible witness of all.

Moses, on the other hand, was 12 at the time so his memory is more reliable, and he disputes the allegations.

by Anonymousreply 195Last Thursday at 11:10 AM

Mia's brother actually was convicted of kiddie fiddling and she trusted the kids with him. This woman is sick.

by Anonymousreply 196Last Thursday at 11:12 AM

Dylan didn't have to be 'brainwashed'. Confabulation is a normal artefact of memory. It is not a conscious process like lying. We experience confabulated memories as true. Children are naturally suggestible and even more prone to confabulation than adults, which is why great care must be taken when interviewing them in a forensic context. Apparently Dylan was interviewed by one clinician about the alleged abuse nine times. Subjecting young children to repeated questioning like this has been shown to increase the number of false allegations. Child witnesses are now interviewed by trained specialists who are aware of the pitfalls of the investigative process which can lead children to confabulate or otherwise provide inaccurate testimony (for example, children may provide false information in an attempt to please the person interviewing them).

by Anonymousreply 197Yesterday at 12:48 AM

Interesting to note that by marrying Soon-Yi, Allen effectively put an end to all the speculation and possible lawsuits from his actions with her. And, starting at that time, his sister is credited as a "producer" on all his subsequent films. She's not a producer. WTF?

by Anonymousreply 198Yesterday at 1:04 AM

R191, the book says Barbara Marx is the one who got the valet fired.

Ava also denied ever saying anything about Mia being a boy. The source seems to be Michael Thornton who was supposed to have done an interview with Ava for Kitty Kelley's book on Frank Sinatra, because he'd interviewed Ava once before for a newspaper, but it turned out he never really interviewed her for the book. There was a whole scandal over the book reporting that Ava had said she hated Frank so much she wanted to abort his baby, but it turned out that came from third-hand sources that Kelley never verified, and when the WaPo looked into it, it turned out NONE of the Ava quotes in Kelley's book could be verified.

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by Anonymousreply 199Yesterday at 2:26 AM

Moses was charged with looking after Dylan at the party, so that complicates things in regards to what he says happened. I don't think it was appropriate for a 12yo boy to be in charge of looking after Dylan when Woody was already in therapy because of his "intense" attention toward her, but the fact is that Moses was told to watch after her, which puts him in the unfortunate position of feeling responsible if anything happened to her on his watch.

In the 2004 Vanity Fair article posted earlier Moses says he saw Woody also grab Daisy's thigh, and it's weird that no one talks about that with the same "Well, Moses witnessed it, so it must be true" kind of reverence.

by Anonymousreply 200Yesterday at 2:31 AM

Mia got pregnant with Frank Sinatra's baby while she was in a relationship and had adopted children with Woody. She was the first sleeze to cast a bag, if I may coin a phrase.

by Anonymousreply 201Yesterday at 2:35 AM

Yes, I'm sure Frank Sinatra was always a gentleman who never strayed from his wives.

by Anonymousreply 202Yesterday at 2:38 AM

R199 how could Barbara Marx have gotten him fired? She didn’t marry Frank until 1976. Jacobs states quite clearly that the fall out from gossip columns reporting on his dance with Mia led to Frank terminating him. And his quotation from Ava Gardner came straight from the horse’s mouth.

by Anonymousreply 203Yesterday at 2:40 AM

Look, if Sinatra fired his valet because he danced with Mia Farrow, that's not really relevant and it's not Mia's fault. Most of the pages of that book are missing (and you only linked to the front cover) but the part I read about Jacobs dancing with Mia is because John Phillips had disappeared into the men's room and she was bored, there was nothing about Mia doing it to get a black man in trouble.

The "fag with a pussy" quote is something this guy claims Ava Gardner said. It's irrelevant to the topic.

by Anonymousreply 204Yesterday at 2:56 AM

Here, maybe this will help the deniers:

Today, a 45 year old unemployed black man was arrested for sexual abuse of a child. Seven year old girl tells her mother that boyfriend would molest her in the attic. He would also "teach her how to suck his thumb". Sibling has confirmed this. Family members and friends corroborate that accused has acted grossly inappropriate toward the 7 year old IN THEIR presence. Currently, the unemployed black man is dating the girlfriends daughter, who he met when she was 8 years old.

by Anonymousreply 205Yesterday at 10:34 AM

You’ve posted that in the other thread r205 and it didn’t get any traction there either.

Some men molest kids. No one is denying that. The part about family members being aware and still allowing him access is far more damning of Mia and her actions.

by Anonymousreply 206Yesterday at 10:52 AM

Here, r205, maybe this will help YOU:

The unemployed black man's ex-partner has been accused of abusing her children (both mentally and physically) by two of her children; three of the others are now dead, despite their young ages. One of the children has said that she forced hysterical angry opinions about the black men upon he children 24/7 upon the children when they were growing up. that same child also said his sister's memories make no sense given the physical layout of the room where she says she was abused does not accord with the house's actual layout. The mother did not bring charges against the partner while they were together, and indeed continued to keep working with him after the time she now says she was aware of her daughter's accusations against him. There are photographs of a crazy valentine's day card with a photo of herself and the children with sharp pointed objects stuck through him, accusing him of doing this to her and her children by leaving her.

by Anonymousreply 207Yesterday at 11:05 AM
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