Prince Harry and Meghan Markle stripped of royal patronages; they will not return to duties

The John and Yoko of our time.

Except John Lennon was a dimwit with talent. And she's arguably prettier than Yoko.

Harry and Meghan will keep their titles, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, but will continue not to use the HRH (His/Her Royal Highness) in their titles, as agreed last year. Their agreement not to use the word “royal” in any of their activities, especially commercial ventures, will also continue.

A rather bitchy response from Harry and Markle considering it was their decision to step back and quit the firm:

In a statement of response, a spokesperson for Meghan and Harry said that they “remain committed to their duty and service to the U.K. and around the world, and have offered their continued support to the organizations they have represented regardless of official role,” adding: “We can all live a life of service. Service is universal.”

So what do they do for a living?

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[quote] So what do they do for a living?

100% self promotion, apparently.

R5

Harry is loaded thanks to money inherited from his great grandmother (The Queen Mother), and then there is all of Diana, Princess of Wales mullah as well.

If looked managed carefully Prince Harry doesn't have to work or do anything else with his life to bring in money. This even with that wife of his and two children.

True Harry's fortune pales in comparison to many Americans in California , but again the Sussex family isn't in any danger of poverty.

In future there likely will also be legacies from his grandmother (The Queen), his grandfather (Prince Phillip), and in due course the father (Prince of Wales).

'So what do they do for a living?'

Content creators for Netflix and Spotify. Much more interesting than traipsing round cutting ribbons in th rain like the spazzy royals.

But being born to royalty is the only reason we know who he is. He literally has nothing else to offer.

r5 Quasi celebrities whose fame originates in being royal.

If they were always just a posh Harry and Meghan but from a non royal background their earning potential would be much reduced and certainly would not involve contracts with Spotify and Netflix and deep down underneath their fragile egos they know this to be true.

[quote] Content creators for Netflix and Spotify.

Is that like when house cows declare they are small business owners" while selling Herbalife?

I thought they left the Royal thing behind to get out of the poisonous limelight? Seems they haven't been out of the news since- what was the point?

r4...and she wonders why anyone with common sense despises her. Her response is that of a petulant child who didnt get her way so is attempting to have the last word...against the Queen, her husbands grandmother and her childrens great grandmother. At least Wallis Simpson showed some class.

R1, I saw them referred to as Woko Ono and The Grand Duke of Netflix.

Apostrophes.

Don't get carried away, R15. Wallis Simpson was a slut, a grifter, and a Nazi lover.

There is yet to be any Netflix content and the Spotify podcast was a Xmas special.

'Is that like when house cows declare they are small business owners" while selling Herbalife?'

No, you silly cunt. The Netflix deal was worth 150m.

The Zombie of Edinburgh will be dead before the summer and hopefully the ancient queen will follow him before the end of the year. Lazy William will then have to spend some time getting to know his role as Prince of Wales.

R20 thinks that means they get $150 million. How cute.

2 out of 3 aint bad for a beginner r18...still, at least Simpson showed respect for the Monarchy. As much as people bitch about the Monarchy, without it, Great Britain's economy would be practically non existent.

Nope, there was no 150m. Just the usual inflated bs for self-promotion.

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r21 How malicious of you to wish death upon the Queen and hope for it.

[quote] Content creators for Netflix and Spotify. Much more interesting than traipsing round cutting ribbons in th rain like the spazzy royals.

What's the difference? Lots of royals have been involved in content development for TV shows and other projects.

What else will they do with their "charities" except cutting ribbons?

Harry and Meghan to leave royal life for good says Buckingham Palace - BBC News

Will there be a segment where she's roasting chickens for Oprah?

Did Simpson really show respect for the monarchy, R23? Maybe in public, but privately there seemed to be a lot of bitter self-pity at what she wanted (title wise) and what she wasn't going to get. To be charitable: Simpson had more style. But I also don't think the UK owes the vast majority of its existence to tourist dollars brought in by the Crown.

KLAN GRANNIES OF THE WORLD ARE CRYING BECAUSE M AND H STILL HAVE THEIR TITLES

It's definitely not going to be fried chicken, R29.

R18

But Wallis Simpson at least was white which softened the blows in some bits of society.

Yes, dear, R31. Sure they are. No need to shout. We can hear you.

KGT lost her hearing aid.

I'm still waiting for him to start working out and getting that ripped and shredded crossfit body.

it has nothing to do with race r33. MM is a disrespectful bitch who wants all the attention on her while screaming the entire time that the attention is intrusive.

On the money, r37.

That sounds very 1992 -1997!

Do they really need to work this hard to stay semi-relevant?

It's not her slight yellow-mocha complexion.

It's her being a loathsome, grasping, plotting insect-brained famebot.

She's a Trump with a different game plan and without the inheritances.

Miss Lillibet knew from jump how this story was going to end.

Well, I guess we know who bought the house....

The honorary military appointments and Royal patronages? Who Cares!!

Losing the National Theatre patronage probably has our Meghan gnashing her teeth. She was sure they were going to cast her in a production of "Medea" and she'd be up there with Judi Dench and Maggie Smith doing talkback sessions about the art of acting.

They're doing just fine without your help or advice.

Now move along.

R37 it has everything to do with race. Every site that has anti Meghan trolls has had complaints about racist comments. Every site. Mumsnet had to close it's royal forums and moderate. Charities have had to close comments. Why? racist comments. There is a database that logs the racist comments. What on? The Brf websites. They have logged over 3 and a half thousand. Over twenty percent of those being in the extreme range. It's about race.

The fact that racists are championing the BRF is going to bring the family down. Those charities were disgusted.

Everything is now about race. Everything.

There is 15 articles on the daily mails website on the Sussex right now. The UK looks deranged and racist.

R47 is correct. I don’t give a shit about the royal family, but when I look at comments about them on any gossip sites people are trying to rip on her for wearing extensions. Everyone wears extensions these days, including Kate. Yes, she had a nose job...just like every other actress. They have a lot of nerve to pick on her looks, when the entire damn royal family (born into the family) looks like ugly inbred trash.

You realize that her PR likely put those stories there? She's paying the big bucks to be in the press daily.

R20, H & M announced that the Netflix deal was “potentially worth up to $150 million.” Netflix did not confirm even this vague language. Netflix is notoriously ruthless and unlikely to have agreed to pay this kind of money without the two producing profitable content.

I suppose they could keep the Duke and Duchess titles, but they should have been stripped of the HRH styles. You're only royal if you stay in the fold and perform royal duties. They are willingly giving up their royal roles, which is why the patronages were taken away. As a result His/Her Royal Highness styles should have been stripped away as well. As it remains they have HRH, but cannot use it.

Let’s be honest. None of these people will ever be truly happy. They will question every friendship and relationship. It must be a miserable existence. They need to do away with the monarchy. It is for the good of the family and the people.

R54, see R3.

[quote] Harry and Meghan will keep their titles, the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, but will continue not to use the HRH (His/Her Royal Highness) in their titles, as agreed last year. Their agreement not to use the word “royal” in any of their activities, especially commercial ventures, will also continue.

Harry and Meghan Markle 'ungrateful narcissists'

No one is going to pay them 150m. Not even if they marketed a no-holds barred reality tv show. They are not worth it because the interest is not there. Which is why they have to leak stories and pull publicity seeking stunts for attention. Be honest. If they weren't selling this interview as a "royal tell all", would it have garnered this much attention? Would anyone care about this couple if they weren't "battling" with the BRF? Not likely.

That being said, the best of luck to them.

"... getting to know his role as Prince of Wales."

Cutting ribbons.

No, running the Duchy of Cornwall.

William is fucking hot.

R10, Content creators? Still laughing. What do they have to offer? Jumbled woke world salad?

Will Harry and Meghan's Oprah Interview Risk Royal Privacy? | ITV This Morning

That's not fair. She produced what would be the best argument against eating hamburgers in a sensual way.

When your only tool is the race hammer, every criticism looks like a...

I'd like to strip Harry. Why does the Queen get to have all the fun?

Really? Eww. I'd rather have Wills.

R9 has absolutely no concept of monry vis a vis a Monarchy that has survived for 1200 years. No, Harry did not receive "mullah" from the Queen Mum, nor will the Queen/Philip disburse significant money away from the Family upon their deaths. Besides, Dim and Dimner are important Hollywoof content creatirs, what do they need that ribbon-cutting English family for?

Cartoon in The Times said it all. They didn't just want to be royal: they wanted royalties.

Now they can whore themselves out, as they bore us all out, with their platitudes on race, climate, and the other hot-button issues of the day.

'Nothing Is Off Limits' in Harry & Meghan Interview with Oprah | Lorraine

R68 showing she knows nothing.

Harry and William received a multi-million pound legacy from the Queen Mum, plus the money Diana gained from the divorce.

As for lasting 1,200 years: clearly you haven't been in the UK for an extended period in recent years. There's a massive attitudinal shift. The young (especially in the multiracial big cities), don't give a flying fuck for the monarchy. They feel it's the very embodiment of class and state oppression that needs to be swept away. That's going to push demands for a national vote on the matter within the next 20 years under Labour Governments.

So I read that Harry lost his military title and uniform? That’s gonna hurt. After the shit he pulled with his military honoraries, he deserves it. Even if he makes billions of dollars from here on out, that’s a blow to his ego. He loved those uniforms (and looked hot in them).

And they can still use their titles and they - as they reminded us all - can still work for charities. (But only if they’re getting paid, eh?)

All I can remember is that sad "story" that Camilla told about her "friend" having an offspring who was being manipulated and abused in another country, isolated from friends and family.

R71, how far do you think “several” million goes in Montecito? Their cost of living is astronomical. Just the costs associated with that house are several hundred thousand. That’s not counting her wardrobe and personal expenditures, transportation, personal staff, security, I could go on.

R68- No he did not receive anything from the TQM. She was heavily in debt. She would not have left the spare any money if she had it. It does not work that way in TRF. She would have left it to the Queen or PC.

Why don’t they do a TV show like I Love Lucy, but I Married Royal, where they just play versions of themselves and use old Lucy scripts. I’m sure Harry couldn’t be any worse than Desi Arnaz, and Meghan looks like she could pull off comedy at least as well as Deb Messing.

I notice that MM isn't too keen on displaying her body or exploiting her sex appeal for fame ala Kardashians. She'd be more popular if she did, no?

MM would be more popular if she exploited Harry's body.

Please, these people are worth billions. They may feign skint, but they're loaded beyond anyone's wildest imagination.

She seems asexual.

If they were really worth billions, she would let the solar system know. Not exactly subtle, that one.

When she was part of the BRF, did she have a clothes allowance? I know she merched a lot, but surely the BRF gave her some money to look good while she was being breathed on by old age pensioners.

R77 what sex appeal?

Lol. I remember when she visited one of many nursing homes. A resident approached her to talk to her, and she dismissed him while demanding that her assistant get her coat.

I’ll bet they are so relieved!

Let's get one thing straight (again) right off; Henry is still a royal prince and thus "HRH" is his birthright and nothing has changed on that score. What he does or does not use in terms of titles and styles is neither here nor there really. That other bits were taken away is logical and makes sense, HRH is living in USA with no immediate plans on returning to GB much less be involved with BRF on an extensive basis, so what else was there to do?

What ever delusions MM had (if any) of being a royal princess were quickly brought down to earth, and so she's gone with Plan B; move herself, husband and child (soon to be children) out of GB. This seemingly doesn't bother MM at all; her supporters and adherents still fall all over themselves and she can tell those in GB and certain UK/European circles to fuck off. MM has Prince Harry, buckets of money, far more fame and influence than she had as a jumped up aging actress. You just know somewhere in Hollywood the germ of a biopic is being fermented and will sooner or later come out.

R81

Don't know about BRF, but Prince of Wales (IIRC) did provide MM with some sort of clothing allowance or whatever at least for things that involved royal duties.

[quote]You just know somewhere in Hollywood the germ of a biopic is being fermented and will sooner or later come out.

With names changed to protect the innocent (and avoid one of Ms. Markle's famous lawsuits).

She spent most of the allowance on that gaudy engagement dress and the beige potato sack she bought when she thought she was going to the Oscars.

But Prince Charles could just add his son back in the payroll when he becomes king, no? Charles loves Harry AND Meghan, he'll give them more respect.

r81, The BRF paid for whatever clothes she wanted.

In her first year alone - during which she worked 78 days - she spent nearly a million pounds (~1.4 million dollars) on clothes.

For 78 days work.

TEN TIMES what Kate spent.

But in her greatest slap to the royal family, the duchess (see image at R4) has joined the flight crew of Aer Lingus.

She went a little crazy with the designer clothes because she was never able to afford that stuff before Harry. Before Harry, she was regularly spotted sneaking into freebie lounges.

R89 why do you assume he loves her? They barely spent any time together

R89

But to what purpose?

In about twelve years or so Prince George of Cambridge will be able to take on some royal duties, as will not far behind rest of Prince William's brood.

In a pinch "king" Charles could call upon his nieces & nephews (children of Prince Andrew and Prince Edward, and Princess Anne)

Calling Prince Harry back likely would get "king" Charles nothing but grief as it is clear his second son wants nothing to do with that side of life. Worse that duchess of his would likely stir the pot.

Best off leaving the Sussex family lost to the BRF far as official side of things go. Prince Harry has cast his lot with his American wife and that's and to things.

[quote]If they were really worth billions, she would let the solar system know. Not exactly subtle, that one.

The royal family is. She knows but can't speak about it publicly. Only that so-called Netflix deal. Which she did.

r89. The BRF is done with them. And even if Charles feels differently, which I doubt except in that he personally misses seeing Harry, he'd never risk poisoning the well with the British public like that.

When he takes the throne, he'll be trying to replace an enormously popular monarch as it is. He's not going to bring back the one couple who the public see as having insulted them as a people, and having repeatedly slapped their beloved, 94 year old (by then former) monarch in the face.

Not ever, ever, going to happen. They're done.

Dumb vile vapid cunts

If they had buckets of money they wouldn't be doing all these constant desperate stunts. They are infamous not famous, big difference.

[quote] No he did not receive anything from the TQM. She was heavily in debt.

She was indeed in debt, but only in terms of her liquid capital. This is from wikipedia, and is highly sourced:

"Eight years before her death, she had reportedly placed two-thirds of her money (an estimated £19 million)[177] into trusts, for the benefit of her great-grandchildren.[178] In her lifetime, she received £643,000 a year from the Civil List, and spent an estimated £1–2 million annually to run her household.[179] By the end of the 1990s, her overdraft was said to be around £4 million.[177][179] She left the bulk of her estate, estimated to be worth between £50 and £70 million, including paintings, Fabergé eggs, jewellery, and horses, to her surviving daughter, Queen Elizabeth II.[178][180] Under an agreement reached in 1993,[181] property passing from monarch to monarch is exempt from inheritance tax, as is property passing from the consort of a former monarch to the current monarch, so a tax liability estimated at £28 million (40 percent of the value of the estate) was not incurred.[182] The most important pieces of art were transferred to the Royal Collection by Elizabeth II.[178] Following her death, the Queen successfully applied to the High Court so that details of her mother's will would be kept secret.[183] This brought criticism from the Labour Party politicians and segments of the public, and the Queen eventually released the outlines of her mother's will.[180]"

R77 She tried real hard to sex it up and show off her body during her game show days. Had cheap implants, plenty of sex scenes in Suits, did that tacky grilling video, artsy-fartsy shots on her blog. But there’s only so much you can do with a square body and polio legs.

R92 All of the married-ins across the European houses of royalty were middle class commoners who couldn’t afford designer duds before marriage either. None were as rapaciously greedy as Markle and none of them went overboard like her.

To be fair, asking her to fellate a hamburger was a bit beyond her range as an actress.

There is nothing sexy about that grilling video.

Harry will rue the day he met Meghan. Might take a decade, but he will rue.

Especially when he is not allowed to wear any military uniform or stand on the balcony when his father is crowned.

Yep. The two huge funerals, his father's coronation - he'll be in a suit unlike every other man in the family and like many of the attendees.

Who knows though. Might not be all grim - Maybe Meghan will dig out her Leprechaun outfit to spice things up a bit.

[quote] She tried real hard to sex it up and show off her body during her game show days.

At first I thought you were talking about the Queen Mother, and I was really confused.

They try hard to stay relevant but few care anymore

He could have left the BRF but kept his military roles if he had stayed in Canada, but Meghan wanted Hollywood.

And as we alll know: What Meghan WANTS, Meghan GETS

[quote] Her response is that of a petulant child who didnt get her way so is attempting to have the last word...

No it’s not. They’re saying that can continue to serve outside the royal family. What sort of service do you do? None I’d wager.

Perfectly put, r94.

Also r96. Thank you.

And as H&M age, and he loses more hair, they won't be the darlings of the West Coast so much.

Have they produced anything yet for Netflix? Wasn't there talk of an animated feminist feature?

I always thought that Harry was damaged and made bitter by his mother’s death and the way she was treated by the royal family. The potential for a massive backlash was always there. Meghan has been cast as the villain, but I don’t think that is entirely accurate. She merely provided the excuse, and a hostile media annihilated her.

If you are a grade a asshole, chances are that everyone, including the media, will call you out. The Harkles are not victims.

R71 Agree, all this Meghan-Harry drama is reflective of something bigger. Alas.

R98

You don't have a clue do you?

Stunts as you call them by Prince Harry and his wife are exactly because they (or rather Duke of Sussex) is loaded. They don't need money per se, so are free to invent themselves in USA as it were.

Keep in mind to Prince Harry this is all something new and exciting I shouldn't' t wonder. Common, crass and a bit vulgar, but there you are...

You'd think after the example of his poor mother Prince Harry would take greater care of getting involved with media and so forth; but alas it appears that lesson has not been learned.

R113 I actually agree. It was always going to be something rebellious like this. I don't think an angel either though. That's why he picked her. It's kind of like victims of crimes, where you want to call out that they're unreliable because they're crazy, but them being crazy is why they were picked out.

Best thing in the long run was to let them flee and be rebellious, because they weren't a good look for the long run. There's a bunch of cute grandchildren left in the UK that will have all the attention in the next decade, over a couple that's reached middle aged.

They're not going to reveal all on Oprah, despite it being described as explosive and intimate, or whatever adjectives they'll call it.

The show will be promoted as a tell all, but Harry isn't going to publicly lambast The Queen or any members of the royal family. Neither is Meg. They'll be carefully worded answers, that can be left open to interpretation, rather than 'The Queen was a bitch to me' type moment.

To paraphrase Lady Bracknell, To lose one father may be regarded as a misfortune; to alienate another looks like carelessness!

They won't reveal anything at all on Oprah, except perhaps what their house looks like, and even that is doubtful.

She'll walk around, cradling the bump in her traditional near-masterbatory fashion, talk about how they've found the "forever-home", what it means for them to nest together, how wonderful the lockdown has been for bringing their little family together, how they have each other to turn to in any time of crisis like that, how happy Archie is, how the new one is "a little kicker".

She'll drop in asides every few minutes implying - but not saying - that Harry worships her, that he is the perfect doting husband, all the more so since he has found his own little slice of heaven in California with her.

When, 2/3rds of the way through, Okra turns to her and says " Ok. We have to talk about your leaving the Royal Family" She'll smile sadly, blink away the tears, look downwards and to her right and say "We simply HAD to do it. We didn't want to. WE wanted to make it work...we did the best we could, but it was just never good enough."

Then on and on about the press, and on and on about the online commenters, and how "exposed" [code for the BRF refused to protect meeeee!] she felt. So, you see - we really had no choice (stifled sob, hard swallow, look up into the lens again). But we are making the best of it aren't we?

Then blah blah blah about their 'charitable impulses' to shut down online speech, then selling the bullshit that is Archwell doing, blah, blah, blah.

Then 'Meghan has finally found happily ever after with her PRINCE" as a photo of them smiling fades to black and white...

Spot on R119

Oh, there’ll be at least one or two calculated howlers.

Diana: “I’d like to be queen of people’s hearts, in people’s hearts.” (Translation: “Ok tabloids, there’s your headline: QUEEN OF HEARTS. Fuck you, Your Majesty!”)

It will also depend on Philip's condition.

There will be a 'three in this relationship, so it was a bit crowded' moment but it won't be as explosive as that.

R27 Never heard of The Prince's Trust, then? What do you think Diana did for ten years? You think all those years bringing in funds for places like Dr. Barnardo's and the Great Ormond Street Hospital and Refuge were just empty gestures? Why do you think those organisations want those royal patrons so badly?

Ask Idris Elba what Charles' Prince's Trust did for him when he was just a kid from West Ham.

You fool. Those kinds of patronages mean huge visibility and funds for those groups. Not to mention representing the country abroad - another boring task Meghan managed to fuck up.

Diana once said the work was 80% slog and 20% fantastic.

What fucking Meghan Markle wanted was the 20% and screw the rest, plus her Hollywood lifestyle.

She's about as progressive as Genghis Khan.

Too bad HM didn't take their titles right off.

Then Meghan would have realised who she really was without it: nobody.

The difference between Diana and Harry/Meghan is that she did have reasons to be pissed off, even if her response was exaggerated. It's not really clear just what Harry and Meghan's problem with the royal family/life in the UK is.

Also, Diana did take the concept of public service seriously, even if she became somewhat politicised in later years. She did shake the hand of an AIDs patient at a time when it was thought you would die instantly if you touched one, she did highlight issues of poverty, she did campaign against landmines. Just what have Harry and Meghan done? If anything, William is the one who takes after Diana more in terms of his understanding of public service, and Kate has also taken that approach on board.

In a way, maybe this will help the Cambridge kids down the road. Instead of being automatically slotted into royal duties. King William can ask Prince Louis “Is this something you want to do? Because you don’t have too...”

What, so William should invite Prince Louis to become a famewhore too?

No. The European monarchies are free to do that, because they have long been degraded institutions, but the British monarchy is meant to give their lives in service.

OP why was a new thread opened on this when a perfectly good one, still far from being full, was opened right away?

See link to related thread.

There is no reason to keep clogging up the already over-crowded Meghan and Harry corridor here.

R99 - the operative word in that "highly sourced" Wiki entry is "reportedly", which is the word used by every single media piece on the subject. The truth is, no one actually knows and there isn't a single paper trail, which legally there would have been, just as there was in Diana's bequest to her sons, if there had been such a trust.

And why the fuck would she leave her remaining liquid assets to the two richest kids in the family, knowing full well that as children of the future King, one would inherit the riches of the Duchy of Cornwall one day, whilst the other would be well taken care of by his father, far richer than any of his siblings thanks to the revenue from said Duchy, whilst ignoring her far less wealthy great grandchildren - i.e., the Phillips and the Yorks?

This is one of those utterly unproved rumours that keep circulating and circulating and circulating, without an iota of proof, and always preceded by the deliberately overlooked "reportedly".

No one has ever found the slightest evidence of such a trust INCLUDING estimates of Harry's ACTUAL worth, which IS a matter of public record, and the only thing ever mentioned is the income from the trust Diana left him, which increased hugely between 1997 and today.

R79 - Those "billions" are mostly non-liquid: art, land, horses, etc. And in fact, although hardly poor, the Queen doesn't any longer even make it into the Top Ten richest people in the world. The richest royals in Europe are the Lichtensteins and the House of Orange-Nassau (think Dutch Petroelum, which they sold and made untold billions off of - the jewels in the Dutch royal safes make QEII's collection look modest by comparison).

What people are "worth", especially in cases like this, where the two sons of the next King live very richly on what is, in actual personally earned wealth, only the income from their trusts, is somewhat a matter of smoke and mirrors.

The polo ponies, the cars, the servants, the grand homes, a large portion of their wives' wardrobes . . . are supported by the three million quid a year Charles gives each son, and by the Crown Estates properties in which they live but didn't have to buy OR renovate. It cost about 3-4 million to renovate Frogmore Cottage and Kensington Palace Apt 1A for Kate and William. It was all paid for by the Sovereign Grant.

So the "billions" are mostly tied up in stuff the Queen and Charles can't sell or rent. Balmoral and Sandringham belong to the Queen, everything else are Crown Estates property and any revenue they generate goes back into the Crown Estates and thence back into the Sovereign Grant (used to be the Civil List).

Yeah, they have lots of real estate holdings, investments, etc., just like other wealthy people. What did you expect?

But the way they live is really supported by the optics of Clarence House, KP, Windsor Castle, BP, the servants, the antique cars and limos . . .

Like most wealthy people, they don't touch capital, only revenue.

Even her art collection is vested in the state now, with a portion set aside for her personal inheritance. It's one of the world's premiere personal art collectins, and contains not only major Old World Masters and Impressionists, but antique artefacts of china, crystal, silver, furnishings, etc. You can't sell those - they're worth something on paper, but really, you can't sell them, they only have value within the context of their royal history.

Some of it is smoke and mirrors. The Queen's actual personal worth these days is estimated at about $600 million USD, She's a piker next to ex Mrs Bezos or Mrs Gates, let alone King Willem of The Netherlands and the Grand Duke of Lichtenstein.

It's plenty, for sure. But there is a lot of exaggeration around it.

Thank you for sparing me the need to watch, r119!

R123- Thank you. For all of her faults, which we all have, Diana was a caring person who used her position to do much good. Diana had a heart, something disturbingly missing in this truly ugly women, The Duchess of Nothing. She is an empty shell. Nothing of value to find. Sincerely pity her children. Look at the rich history and family she is cruelly denying them. Evil. Just evil and of no interest or value to anyone . Hopeless case, they can not be treated. Abnormal amygdala.

Since Oprah went to the wedding, doesn't she have to treat this interview delicately? I mean Oprah can't just stand up there and say, "Yes, Meghan, the Royal Family treated you horribly" when she herself has been to the wedding and saw how much they spent on her.

Meg darling make your lil man eat from a doggie dish and peg him royally.

That money from Netflix won’t go into their pockets. That 150 million from Netflix will have to cover the production costs of the programs they’re contractually obligated to deliver.

R133- What do you think I keep Marcus around for?

Duchess of Nothing

[quote]That 150 million from Netflix will have to cover the production costs of the programs they’re contractually obligated to deliver.

But they're *royalty*. People will work for free just to bask in their other-worldly aura.

Prince Chuckles will pay the staff wages and they'll pocket the 150 mil.

Wouldn’t it be must see TV if Oprah asked about the Australian tea throwing incident?...

[quote]Wouldn’t it be must see TV if Oprah asked about the Australian tea throwing incident?...

I want to hear Oprah question Meghan about why she wasn't allowed the *best* tiara at her wedding and why she gave grief to that poor woman who was the tiara keeper. How's Miss Oprah gonna spin THAT?

R134- I will eat a Georgia pine cone if they truly were paid that amount. No. That is SS PR. NF does not pay that amount of money up-front to anyone. You have to produce something and that something has to attract a large audience. They are lazy, untalented, spoiled, narcissistic. This is why there has been nothing from them with Spotify. They did that one podcast long ago. To grab and hold onto an audience in an oversaturated field, you must put out your podcast regularly and not have this long gap in time. They just want attention. They do not want to do the hard work that is required. That is for the help in their entitled minds. This is one reason why they fail at everything they have tried and will continue to fail into reality TV.

I’d like to hear Oprah ask how they square their “service” with their ambition and luxurious lifestyle, but that might be a tricky subject for Oprah. Maybe they could…commiserate?

I have no respect for Oprah Winfrey anymore. Anyone who would align herself with Meghan loses any respect from me. Water seeks it's own level. Oprah is about to get markled.

There will be an inadvertent clanger. If it’s filmed at their estate, just that image alone will be contrasted with their supposed charity work.

Oprah is no Martin Bashir. It will be softball questions and concerned looks. She understands the game. After all she was invited to the wedding of someone she had met once (if that).

Oprah's special is going to be 90 minutes (obviously cut down to allow for commercials). What are they going to discuss for that amount of time?

Oprah just trashed her legacy in my opinion. She is famous, was respected, and beyond rich. Why that wasn't enough for her is confusing. Maybe she is greedy and can never get enough, just as she is with food.

Oprah is gonna remake poor Markle. She will come out of it shiny and brand new and loved by everyone! It's the Oprah effect!

I won't be watching it but probably will see some clips here and there. I wonder how fake she will be. I recall the bad actress being really bad at previous interviews.

she has the victim mentality which is so tiresome.

She was one ballsy chick, R18.

I can't watch her, I just can't. Just as I am unable to watch anything with Former45, which I find strange that they both have the same effect on me. She is downright creepy, like an alien pretending to be human. I can't explain it.

It’s the phoniness.

R148- Exactly. The utter insincerity in every word she says. Just vile and uncomfortable. She has no idea how badly she comes off.

The royal prerogative includes throwing it away, I guess.

Yes, R147! Yes!! Same here.

I watched a bit of the engagement interview and that was enough. I didn't like the way she treated Harry. And the sound of her voice grated.

So, whenever podcasts or whatever are linked, I refuse to watch or listen.

Well, knowing where they stand will mobilize them into finding work. I'm sure that they can handle it. They have no choice now...

What a fucking relief that tosser isn't my kid.

I've been on Team Anti-Meghan since the first Dangling Tendrils thread, but in a way, I admire Harry for striking a blow for modernity, having his own "Me Too" moment against the archaic system of primogeniture which sees his brother getting all the wealth, prestige and honour just for having been born first, whilst he, Harry, trails behind, lives in a former servants' quarters under a flight path, and gets stuck with the most tedious of royal "jobs".

He, encouraged by his vulgar, greedy wife, said "Fuck this shit!" and headed West to make his fortune in the New World.

R154- Oh, how my poverty ridden ass bleeds for the poor little thing. Gtfo with that laughable tripe.

Just a heads up. These brf threads have just been confirmed as troll threads. On the latest one Patstoned was a comment. This is the posting name of the head UK troll. Whose identity is known. This troll posts on multiple platforms and self identifies in threads so the other trolls know to go full troll. It posts on Lipstick Alley as Pat Stone and has had multiple complaints about linking supremacist cartoons and racist comments. It's also homophobic. Google Pat stone Lipstick Alley and it's comments can be viewed. It also posts on CDAN and on Dlisted. From chatter in another forum Datalounge is going to be half Brf threads by the end of the day.

R156. Get out of the way if you don't want to play.

Oh Lord, the Conspiracy Loon is back again at R156. Go take a pill and lie down, sweetheart.

R156- that was me, you tiresome twit. It was a joke. Really reaching, aren't you? 🖕

Oprah spent several million trying to fix Lindsay Lohan. That bombed and she recovered. I expect the same here.

Oprah doesn't have the media power she once did...without her daily show, she's a lot less powerful. This special WILL get attention obviously but....Oprah isn't the Queen of all Media anymore.

Netflix didn't just drop a check for $150m in their bank account. Not how that works. In fact, that number has never been publicly verified (nor will it be) and as it has already been stated, that's the money to actually PRODUCE the content which would include a fee for the producers (the Sussexes) but the alleged $150m isn't theirs to do with as they please to buy estates.

And, for the thousandth time, (thought the SussexBots who insist the Sussexes are rich, rich, RICH won't listenHarry is certainly very well off, at least by the standards of the average schmoe on the street, but as the spare to an heir, he's never going to be able to access the huge amounts of money required to sustain the lifestyle that Meghan seems to aspire to. Great Granny didn't leave him millions of pounds in trust. If the Queen Mum actually did set up trusts for her grandkids/great grandkids it wouldn't mean they each got an enormous amount of money...she didn't HAVE an enormous amount of money and while she had assets, most of those were things like art, jewelry, etc that apparently went to the Queen to avoid taxes.

And, I've frequently seen a number of £30m for Harry's alleged worth which may or may not be accurate though it's certainly a viable number but if that is the case, that wealth is all tied up in trusts to continue to increase in size. And while £30m isn't anything to sneeze at, and should certainly produce at least a £1m a year in revenue, that would get eaten up rather quickly if one is buying and maintaining large estates and have wives with expensive tastes in clothing, not to mention the huge cost of security which supposedly they're now paying...though it seems far more likely that Charles is picking up a lot of the tab for many of these things.

The Sussex Lifestyle seems to be built on a House of Cards that will eventually collapse. If it doesn't, then it certainly raises questions about who is funding them and what is expected in return from that funding.

[QUOTE] Especially when he is not allowed to wear any military uniform or stand on the balcony when his father is crowned.

Yep, I'm sure he'll be crying over that as he plays with his two children on the Montecito beaches in January. Not.

You Klan clowns think he's just as obsessed with the trappings of pomp and circumstance as you are, but he left London to get away from all that. His priorities have completely changed.

If your supposition were true, r162, Harry would not have been fighting to retain his military patronages.

[QUOTE] From chatter in another forum Datalounge is going to be half Brf threads by the end of the day.

DL knows that it's infested by racists. It even gave them a name which everyone knows. That's why DL went to prime time only for three weeks between the Capitol Riot and Biden's inauguration. They knew white supremacists were going to try to use the site to organise.

It's a serious problem. The Titles Troll, Pet Troll and that any who make racist comments like 'octoroon' are being monitored.

Harry's grandmother told him that half-in, half-out of Royal life simply doesn't work. If he were the type to read books, he could have read a book about his great-uncle Edward and seen how HE tried the same thing in the 1940s, only to be rebuffed at every turn and end up with an empty, miserable, cafe society life. But Harry doesn't listen and doesn't read, and he'll spend the rest of his life trying to be both a Prince and a free, ordinary man and wondering why nothing ever works out.

Will the FBI and Interpol be here soon?

It's hilarious that Klan Granny favourites Fugenie and Jack have to live at Frogmore Cottage, Meghan and Harry's leftovers. Right under that Heathrow flight path.

R167 - they stayed for a couple of weeks and then supposedly left for Royal Lodge Windsor to stay with Andrew and Fergie.

[QUOTE] ...only to be rebuffed at every turn and end up with an empty, miserable, cafe society

Only Harry isn't being rebuffed, is he? Two entertainment giants, Spotify and Netflix, have embraced him...much to your chagrin. He isn't trying to keep a court like pathetic Edward, who had guards and courtiers standing around.

Jack and Eugenie are well-off in their own right. If Frogmore was really such a dump, why would they live there to begin with?

[QUOTE] they stayed for a couple of weeks and then supposedly left for Royal Lodge Windsor ...

Lol, try again Granny. Frogmore is their official residence and more than the pedo's daughter deserves.

[QUOTE] . If Frogmore was really such a dump..

Oh, so now it's not a dump? A Klan whore backtracking? Granted, it's pretty small and shabby compared to a 14m mansion in Montecito.

"So, whenever podcasts or whatever are linked, I refuse to watch or listen"

Millions of Klan bitches hate watching worldwide so they can bitch will ensure all their shows get high numbers.

R167 If you knew anything about the UK, you'd know that pretty much the entire southeast is under a flight path.

Frogmore isn't a dump--it's a historic property that enjoyed a 3 million pound reno. But it's not a grand country house or a grand apartment at Kensington Palace, and Meghan would never have been satisfied with less. The Montecito Mansion is a big fuck-you to all the haters, but we'll see if she and Harry can keep it.

[QUOTE] If you knew anything about the UK, you'd know that pretty much the entire southeast is under a flight path.

Proof you've never been near the 'south east'. From Frogmore, you can see the landing flaps as the 747s come roaring in to land. Where I live in Herts we only see planes far up in the distance.

Surely you haven't forgotten all those videos you shared of planes going over Frogmore? How close, how frequent, how noisy? Poor Fugenie.

Harry is just an errand boy now taking his orders from Meghan.

This whole thing is a bullshit "controversy." Look. A year ago after they announced they were withdrawing, the Queen, who still adores Harry, told them to take a year off and think about it. She gave them a year to decide if they wanted to make things permanent. The year is up. They decided. They do want it to be permanent. So hence the "Royal Duties and patronages" are going to be reassigned. It is expected. It is not punitive.

That's a classic move by the Queen--she also asked Diana and Charles to take time and think about their marriage more than once. Until the Panorama interview aired. After that, all bets were off.

Harry wanted out a year ago, but he and Meghan wanted to hang onto the titles and patronages. It was in the news a couple of months ago that they were trying to negotiate to keep them. Which is silly, as HM was never going to allow a half-in/half-out status. She told them that from the beginning.

R159 - Ah, that's just our dear Pet, a/k/a Klan Grannie Troll, still trying to scare people into thinking that Retribution Is Coming and the Net Is Closing In on anyone who speaks ill of Meghan Markle.

She's been at it for years. So far, no one has been rounded up and sent to the Gulag.

Hi, Sweetie! How are things? (Waves at Pet).

The Marines don't want a non serving royal as a patron, they'd rather have a heroic ex SAS member like Ant Middleton (no relation to Replikate). William and Charles haven't seen active service and Pedrew, who has, has been disgraced.

'Ah, that's just our dear Pet, a/k/a Klan Grannie Troll, still trying to scare people into thinking that Retribution Is Coming and the Net Is Closing In on anyone who speaks ill of Meghan Markle.'

Hi, Klan Cunt! Any chance of you being disconnected from that ventilator any time soon? Check your trolldar and you'll find that I don't make any of those long rambling posts about DL being taken over by CTers.

Why was Meghan never offered a make up/skincare/designer line? The face of Chanel, Dior, Givenchy, etc? Fucking Zoe Kravitz has a lipstick line with YSL, ffs.

How tough, really, was Harry's royal life? I mean, he couldn't handle visits to the poor, the suffering, the entrepreneurial, the creative, etc.---IOW, the British people, source of his and his family's position, prestige, and prerogatives?

Royals might have crowded calendars (especially Princess Anne), but their days are varied, in task and travel. No boring 9-to-5 desk job. What's to dislike---unless one is still puerile, stuck in a party-hearty mindset?

Noblesse minus the oblige. That's what Harry wants. Or, rather, the oblige on his own terms, a more untenable position with HM it is difficult to imagine.

I don't understand why a Prince Without Portfolio is such an attractive partner to Meghan. I mean, they have no more connections. Beyond Harry, there is a void. He can't help you; he needs help FROM you. Some dinner guests, these two! "And how is the Queen these days?" "No idea, really. " "Oh. My, would you look at the time?! Good night!"

Meghan, of course, is less than zero. I suppose she envisions becoming the Empress of Instagram, Influencer Extraordinaire.

Finally, ten bucks says their next child's name will be either Gemma or Graeme, each taken from "Meghan" and "Henry," as "Archie Harrison" combines "Rachel" and "Harry."

[QUOTE] Meghan, of course, is less than zero. I suppose she envisions becoming the Empress of Instagram, Influencer Extraordinaire.

Yes, Klan whore, that will be why she's abandoned her Instagram with its 10m followers! She last used it a year ago, you dumb fucker.

The Klan Grannies have really taken over the board tonight. There are about six active threads. Muriel, nuke them please.

R184 No one knew or cared who the fuck she was before marrying the ginger ingrate. She was a very minor actress on a minor TV series and a few corny Hallmark films. Oh, and she played a Fedex delivery person in a scene of an Ashton Kutcher film. She did have a clothing line at Reitman’s in Canada. The director of the ads said she was the meanest person he had ever worked with.

I re-watched The Queen last night & I honestly had forgotten what a hot mess Diana was at the end of her life

Harry is very much her son. The kids will keep him hanging on for awhile, but he'll eventually sabotage himself in every way possible like his mother, completely unravel.

She didn't get that clothing line until 2016, after she was with Harry. Its true the director said that though.

R185

Because outside of UK, and especially in United States most are too dumb or otherwise don't give a fuck about Prince Harry being without a "portfolio" so to speak. He's Diana's son which in of itself hands the Prince Henry stardom in their eyes, but regardless of what is said in Court circles the Duke of Sussex is royal enough in their minds. Thus MM is also "royal" even if only adjacent but more to the point she has risen up further than being an aged jumped up actress. MM has plans for PH and herself, with first mission accomplished, getting her husband out of UK and away from what he formerly held near and dear.

These are the people who invented and go on about "Princess Diana" for goodness sake. Do you honestly believe minor quibbles such as PH being dumped from official royal duties and so forth really matters in their eyes?

R185 for the win.

Someone should take out a full pager in the MAIL with a photo of Meghan and Harry and your perfect phrase, "Noblesse without the Oblige", underneath in caps.

R189 Well observed. And the reason will be the same: a complete refusal to accept any responsibility for what went wrong. Narcissists are difficult to treat because they refuse to admit they have a problem. Harry and Meghan share this trait with Diana. That's why years of therapy didn't help harr9trsolve or move past his family issues.

This characteristic cuts off peripheral vision, so to speak, and then when the falls in, they're shocked.

It is also why, like Diana, H&M are good tactical in-fighters, but poor at longer-term analysis and strategy.

The long game will go to the monarchy and the Cambridges. The Sussexes can only milk their profound identities as entitled victims, before they become parodies of themselves, which they are already approaching.

If they are to succeed as they would like, they need to get off their BRF hobby-horse. Because, as Rollo May once said, "If will remains protest, it remains forever dependent on what it is protesting against."

R186, "Klan whore"? WTAF?! I'm as "Klan" as Kamala! I see Meghan as a grifter sans peer, while you apparently find her are quite kissable!

As for being ignorant if her Social Media status, oh, my, my. I offer a maxima mea culpa. And a BFD.

That was then, the SM cancelation. But the hammer from HM has now come well and truly down, so I'll add a "we'll see" to my apology.

What, pray tell, do you think her end game is? Or do you think Meghan is in this marriage for love and love alone?

Oh, wait. There's that Netflix gig. The Oprah interview.

The course of true love never did run smooth.

Edits: arse; of; cancellation.

Oh, they could have done the half in, half out deal if they wanted. But once it was clear they'd be living mainly in the USA it was a very bad image to do it that way. If they had remained in the UK for say 2/3 of the time, it could have been arranged.

She didn't want to be hostage to the protocol and ritual and traditions (many of these are ridiculous and very repressive) and she wanted more control over the publicity roll out. Meghan was interested in building a brand for herself and Harry carved out from the Royal Family.

Well, now they can do that but they will do it without the foundation and the framework of the Royal Family and it's mystique. Being able to maintain the connection was the whole foundation of their branding strategy and since it has now been removed they have to wing it without those associations.

But no need to worry, Sussexes. Harry is a Blood Prince and he will always be, 6th in line...unless Kate pops one more kid out. For too many in the Palace circles, the old farts still have a vivid memory of the pointless existence of the Duke & Duchess of Windsor, not the least of these are the Queen herself and Prince Philip. Charles remembers them too. Harry and Meghan just have to be careful to stay off yachts.

Forgot to add that being more outspoken and activist was a big problem for them, too. Causes are not a good look for the Royals. Controversy and politics are verboten. Taking a public stand on most "issues" is just not done. So even if they had remained in the UK it would have been vey awkward on that score.

They’re not *activists*, r197. Having a political viewpoint is not activism. Writing on bananas is not activism.

It’s my opinion that MM wants what AOC has. It’s kind of funny that AOC came up from the same kind of background and has accomplished everything she has without all the messy drama and using men to do it. Kamala, too.

Which reminds me, where’s her good friend George Clooney these days?

Come on now. Kamala used a man to get a spot in California -- you don't know she rode Willie Brown's dick for decades? Markle would still be supported by Daddy if she hadn't had various men haul up her untalented flat ass

R194 - Oh, just ignore her and put her on block.

Yeah - she dropped her SM account. She leaks her stuff now through Omid Scobie's accounts and her six-person PR staff that sends the news and those ridiculous photo ops to press outlets around the world.

And who needs IG when you have Oprah for your "voice"?

I suspect Meghan misses having her own social media account as a means of creative personal expression if nothing else.

I doubt they are losing sleep over such nonsense. They have fuck you money and live in America. Why lower yourself to what’s left of the royal family? Nah, they are better in America.

Agree, R202. Once Queen Elizabeth is gone, Charles will update the monarchy to a very limited extent, and by the time it's William's turn, it will be just about over with. I don't think we'll see too much pomp and circumstance. It belongs in the past. Aside from Opening Parliament and the Trooping of the Colors, and maybe the Garter Ceremony at Windsor, I think it's over for them. Oh, they'll keep laying wreaths on Remembrance Day, but the deference and mystique will be gone. The Palaces will become Museums and offices and nothing much else. So moving away from all that makes sense. Because it is really just about over with.

R196- She was incapable and inadequate and she knew it.

R204, "Incapable" of what? Cutting ribbons? Please. Meghan, in a very short time did some impressive things in the context of the RF, like he cookbook and her clothing line. The courtiers at Buckingham Palace were beside themselves when Harry chose her, and had apoplexy when she embraced those kinds of activities.

R204 may have it right...Intelligence and intellectual curiosity are frowned upon, in the RF.

R206- So is psychotic behavior such as throwing hot tea in someone's face.

Yes, r196, "pointless"! And THAT Duke had had his "coronation" already on the tea cups!

R202 - "what's left of the royal family"?

Well, let's see: the hugely popular William and Catherine and their attractive brood. In ten years, when Charles is falling asleep on the throne, Prince George will be 17 and the tabloids will be falling all over themselves finding royal matches for the 6'3" blond next Prince of Wales; Charlotte will be 15 and displaying Diana's legs, creamy complexion, and her Great-Aunt Anne's "fuck you with a smile" persona;, and the 13 year old Prince Louis, that already devastating cheeky cover boy, will be heading for the playing fields of Eton.

Kate will be sporting the jewels Meghan would have killed to wear. William will have become increasingly magisterial. They will be on the front lines welcoming Heads of State from all over the world on diplomatic visits, as well as undertaking important tours themselves (you know, the Top Tier ones, not the second rate ones that Meghan couldn't undertake without fucking up). William will be raking in the revenues from the Duchy of Cornwall, and having his pick of Highgrove House, Anmer Hall, Sandringham Big House, and, when Papa is raptured, Clarence House - and they'll all be making the front pages with the Sandringham and Windsor Christmas and Easter pap walks.

Did I forget to mention William inheriting one of the world's most impressive private art collections, later on the Duchy of Lancaster's revenues before passing on to his eldest son the revenues from the Duchy of Cornwall? The estates of his grandmother and father with all those land holdings, investments, stables of race horses, antique cars . . .?

That royal family of which not much is left?

The Sussex kids will be Hollywood cannon fodder, snorting coke with the rest of the young Beverly Hills crowd; Meghan and Harry will have made their money but long since become parodies of themselves and the public bloody tired of them; living in gaudy splendour whilst continuing to demonstrate not an iota of true class - that is, if they're still married.

R196 - Meghan Markle hadn't a classy bone in her body. She knew all about the constraints before going in. The Queen offered her the title and a private life, including keeping up her acting career. Meghan said No, she wanted to be a working royal.

You know why? Because she needed the royal photo ops before she could bail and monetise the image.

Someone put it better on this or another thread: what Meghan and Harry wanted was the noblesse without the oblige. It's not really a good look.

And that's the primary difference between Meghan and Kate: both went for a gold ring, but Kate wanted to be royal and was willing to do the necessary for it, and to have her children inherit the class with the privilege; Meghan just wanted to be famous and see her face on magazine covers and to "break the Internet".

There's a fine but telling difference between wanting to be royal, a part of history, and wanting to be a celebrity.

The former requires class, dignity, discipline, and the ability to take long view.

The latter only needs to succeed ruthlessness, shallow values, dishonesty, narcissism, and eternal focus toward the Next Big Thing.

[QUOTE] The long game will go to the monarchy and the Cambridges.

What long game? Kate and Wills will still be working in their 70s, 80s, and 90s if they live that long and if the monarchy is still around then siphoning off public money to fund pedophiles. They'll need to be seen to be working a lot as Gen Z hate the monarchy and all it stands for. I doubt anybody aspires to that.

[QUOTE] There's a fine but telling difference between wanting to be royal, a part of history, and wanting to be a celebrity.

Celebs actually have to work or they go bankrupt. Royals are parasites who are wholly reliant on public money.

[QUOTE] Did I forget to mention William inheriting one of the world's most impressive private art collections, later on the Duchy of Lancaster's revenues before passing on to his eldest son the revenues from the Duchy of Cornwall? The estates of his grandmother and father with all those land holdings, investments, stables of race horses, antique cars

None of this is guaranteed. Millennials and Gen Z loathe the royals and will probably vote to defund them before William gets to be king. Let's hope so.

They seem happy with it and I can’t blame them for not wanting to be in that stuffy old palace among the people who either murdered my mother or greatly contributed to her death

If MM wanted an IG for her and Harry she'd have one. She'd have changed the name on the Sussex Royal account and be clocking up the followers. It got 10m in one year! We don't see her using it because she doesn't need to earn money that way anymore.

Whoops, Muriel nuked the Klan Grannies' Kate Is Stunning thread! What a shame.

Still up r216. Your power over Muriel is amazing.

R217- Shhhh! Please be quiet or it will call the FBI on us! 🙄

Who knows? Things change, R211. Sometimes they change to what you like, and sometimes they swerve back in a direction you don’t like. That’s just how life is and always has been, over centuries and generations.

R216 - There was a Kate Is Stunning thread?! Who knew?

Muriel nuked it because there are too many fucking BRF threads open, darling.

The nasty ones about Meghan and Harry are still with us. Or did that escape your piggy little eyes?

Interesting that I killed all the OPs of all the sh*t threads and a few nasty posts disappeared. So scatfiends tend to be racists.

R214 - They weren't going to live in a stuffy old palace. They had their sights set on a huge, grand apartment of some 20 rooms in a recently renovated historic palace in the heart of the capital, Kensington Palace. You know, next door to the grand, 21-room recently renovated apartment Kate and William occupy?

Alas, all the Queen gave them was Frogmore Cottage, not a patch on that beautiful Georgian estate with ten bedrooms that the Queen gave the Cambridges.

Meghan left because that grand palatial shit was what she really wanted. But she began alienating everyone, including the Queen, before she ever got the ring on her finger.

If the Queen had offered her those 20 rooms in that "stuffy old palace", Meghan would have been packed and at the gate in 15 minutes.

'They weren't going to live in a stuffy old palace. They had their sights set on a huge, grand apartment of some 20 rooms in a recently renovated historic palace in the heart of the capital, Kensington Palace. '

And now they have something much bigger and more beautiful than that ugly old polluted place. The air quality in central London is abysmal year round.

I would laugh to see the royals defunded and that pathetic white cunt Kate having to work for the first time in her life. I don't think Netflix or Spotify would dream of employing somebody with no skills whatsoever except in child rearing.

They gave deals to HaM, r224, so, obviously, neither Netflix nor Spotify are particularly discerning.

William tried to pitch something to Netflix and got turned down because he has zero charisma and lacks a photogenic face.

I think what really turned the tide for MM and Harry right in the beginning was the hostility from Harry's circle of friends, the reserve of some family members and the contempt of the courtiers. Racism may have played a part, but someone like Emma McQuiston would have had an easier time. I think a lot of the dislike stemmed from MM's American-style over-confidence, as well as their innate snobbery. Even Kate has stuck with her schoolfriends and is not accepted by William's circle, the women anyway. I really think this personal rejection made MM miserable and made her decide to put a time limit on how long she would tolerate it before bailing. And Harry took this snubbing of his wife very personally and dug his heels in, determined to protect her.

[QUOTE] the contempt of the courtiers.

🤣🤣🤣🤣God forbid that these nameless servants bitch about you! We're not in the 18th century, lunatic Titles Troll.

Can we all just wonder, revel, and snicker at the atomic lack of self-awareness that "replikates" itself OVER & OVER AGAIN?

They’re not *activists*, [R197]. Having a political viewpoint is not activism. Writing on bananas is not activism. But, they DO believe being irretrievably stupid is a founding principle.

And we're completely good with that r108.

R147 and r148 - You think you're disgusted by the MM phoniness? Catch this interview on local Toronto station.

She inked a 100+ mil deal with Netflix. She hit the jackpot when she kicked the royal family to the curve.

I'm still convinced R224 is Meghan. The sheer nastiness sounds exactly like reports of how she talks and behaves when she's not simpering to the cameras. Can you imagine living next door to THAT? No wonder William put his foot down about the KP apartment for the Sussexes.

Sorry, have their titles been yanked yet? Are they still the D&D of Sussex?

I'm not reading the whole damn thread to find out!

[quote]R184 Why was Meghan never offered a make up/skincare/designer line? The face of Chanel, Dior, Givenchy, etc? Fucking Zoe Kravitz has a lipstick line with YSL, ffs.

You don’t know she hasn’t been. But she’s not really a star of that rehlm - she’s a celebrity but not a CELEBRITY.

(She’s certainly beautiful enough, though.)

I think the "Oh Dear" troll is about to post a message for you, r235.

R184, Meghan has painted herself into a corner by selling herself as a "happy-married activist and philanthropist." That's death on anyone's sexiness.

[quote]R231 You think you're disgusted by the MM phoniness? Catch this interview on local Toronto station.

This is where the Klan Grannies show how detached they are from everyday reality.

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that interview. She looks good, she’s poised, she’s quite articulate... what is the problem, exactly?

R231. Markle certainly uses all the buzz words when she gives an interview...."organic, cast a wide net, check your own box" blah, blah, blah.

R162, Since you are quoting me, I'll reply.

Harry didn't want to escape the pomp and circumstance. He LOVED wearing all those medals on his military uniforms. He WORMED HIS WAY with Meghan into that balcony group to which they were NOT invited.

What overly-indulged Harry wanted to escape were his duties for The Firm. He doesn't care for being told what to do, especially by the people he holds responsible for you know what.

But he and his American wife miscalculated. That cake of royal perks they intended to eat and still have was left too long in the rain, and they'll never have the recipe again.

I am not the Titles Troll, whatever that is, R228. You are unhinged.

R239.  Don't forget:  "Be kinder."  If only Markle with her message of kindness had thought about the queen's generosity when Markle defiantly and flippantly responded "Service is universal" after her royal patronages  were taken from her seeing that she's more than half the globe away from the UK.  What the hell did she expect?  She doesn't live there any longer and never intended to do so.  Markle's dishonesty started from the very beginning.  And you don't respond to the queen that way when basically, the reason that Markle could even purchase the California home came from money from the British taxpayers nicely secured in Harry's bank account.

R224- We know Meghan. She is everything you wish you were and will never be. Take a xanax, Psycho. Are you upset that your idiotic plan to pressure TQ into allowing you to keep your perks failed so abysmally? You have made Oprah angry, fatal move. Now they have to re-edit your interview because you lied your fat ass off to her. Deceived her, as it were. And just like that- poof- all gone. Oprah still has very powerful friends. You are hated. That is why the media tipped TQ off to your deceitful plan, therefore markling you. Still happy about about that lawsuit? Well, you always race to the bottom, don't you? A stunning failure, you are. No chance of that political career now, as if there ever was. You are unlikable, untrustworthy, and exposed as the vicious, untalented, ugly person you are. Bye-bye bitch! 😁

R233 - No, that's our psycho Pet, writing ftom her halfway house, eaten up with envy of pretty, popular Kate who is at the top of the pops in Britain, and who is about to complete ten years of, ahem, service to hrr monarchy and country while bearing and raising 3 beautiful children.

Meghan fucked up even the little 2nd tier tour in Africa, whingeing and crying about her life, whilst Kate and William helped smooth diplomatic ties in Pakistan, where quiet, skillful Kate performed flawlessly.

Kate earned her royal stripes the hard way.

Meghan earned nothing but contempt.

Oh, she'll make money. After all, that's all grifters care about.

It's class she'll never have.

It's kerb, not curve, dear. And the Queen just kicked the Sussexes to it. They still wanted the cloak of her royalty over them.

Wait till they're whingeing 50-somethings and way past their sell date while the royals have moved past them and Kate and William are Prince and Princess of Wales.

I'd kill for a banana that tells me I am brave.

R233 - There were rumours of lots of use of controlled substances next door in Nottingham Cottage even before the wedding. William and Kate figured out quickly that having Meghan snooping anywhere near their children was a nonstarter.

Instead, that huge apartment in KP that Meghan was hankering after will also go to the Cambridges, to be turned into offices and reception rooms for increased staff and the increasing diplomatic duties William and Kate will be undertaking as their children grow up and W&K become Prince and Princess of Wales.

Meghan, of course, will still be talking about herself on any media outlet that will let her.

R227 Could be. I've had brushes with hip English aristocrats and they weren't very nice. That said, Meghan could have just risen above, secure in the knowledge of her new position.

If Meghan had been patient, kept smiling, and done the work, the tabloids would have settled down by the time she and Harry hit their second anniversary. That's how it went with Kate Middleton, anyway.

Meghan and Harry could have positioned themselves within the family as the hipper alternative to the dutiful Cambridges. There would still have been duty to do, but they could have built their profile and the love of the public over time. Once Charles is King (which will almost certainly happen in the next 5 years), he would have given them more interesting duties and a better house than FrogCot: The children of the reigning monarch always get the best perks.

OR, if they'd made more of an effort to get along to begin with, they'd have had the KP apartment and probably York Cottage as a country place from the start. Access to the best jewels, high-profile patronages and tours, family honors, etc. would have followed in due course.

Meghan went in planning to get everything she could out of the BRF; ironically, her lack of discretion, loyalty and patience led to her getting much LESS than she otherwise would have gotten.

Since Diana, the family has taken a much more conservative stance with married-ins. Both Sophie and Kate had to prove themselves before getting much of the good stuff. But after a few years of good work, the purse strings loosen and the jewel vaults open. But Meghan couldn't even stick it out 2 years, and at this point has gotten all she'll ever get from the BRF.

These two really love to hear themselves talk. Dig the Oscar de la Renta dress.

R248 - Kate has the same experience, and did exactly as you rightly point out that Meghan should have done: rose above it, kept quiet, and as it became clear to whom the long game was going and she earned the respect and trust of the Queen, became the mother of a future King as well as the wife of one, that put an end to it.

Mary Teck, the wife of George V, started out life as a Serene rather than Royal HIghness. Her mother- and sisters-in-law never lost an opportunity to remind her that she hadn't been born royal, only became royal through marriage.

And then, one day, Mary was Queen Consort and Empress of India.

Princess Marina of Greece, wife of George, Duke of Kent, referred to the Duchess of York (the erstwhile Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, wife of Prince Albert, Edward VIII's younger brother - the "spare") as "that common little Scottish girl".

And then, one day, Edward Abdicate for that grating, brass-plated common little America woman, and the common little Scottish girl became Queen Consort of Great Britain and Empress of India, and the mother of a future Queen,.

And Marina shut that shit down quickly, too.

All Meghan had to do is grow a spine, and she'd have lived a wonderful life, AND her kids probably would have gotten those HRHs she craved for them as soon as Charles became King.

Now, she's made sure that Charles issues Letters Patent making sure her two brats DON'T get those HRHs.

She just can't take the long view on anything.

The "surprise" drop-in was a transparent attempt to get in front of all the bad PR they're getting (yet again) for their insulting response to the Queen, and the information that they were yet again trying to blindside the Queen with the Oprah interview.

Shoot, deflect; shoot, deflect; shoot, deflect.

That's their tired M.O.

Hey, she's back to the Morticia Addams hair. What happened to the corn rows she displayed in the Tiffany Perfume Ad baby announcement photo?!

Dang. And here I was hoping that the BIG NEWS on the Oprah interview would be that Meghan had gone natural now that she found out it Pays To Be Black In America In The Age of BLM.

@ R252- I love you! Please start a thread! Your knowledge of history is much admired and interesting. I would love to discuss their history here.

Today Charles launched the Princes Trust-US. Now wouldn't that be a handy little vehicle to drive?

Oh,too bad for them . That would be a very prestigious project to represent. It does pay to play nice and show a little decorum and gratitude to those who can make it break you.

R256, why did he do THAT? We don’t need more Royals condescending to us.

GTFOH, Charles.

Apparently YouGov just did a poll, and 49% of Britons want Harry removed from the line of succession, with Don't Knows and Nays breaking evenly the other 51%.

That's quite huge.

By the time she gives birth, Meghan's face will be quite wide and puffy.

I can't get over her lemon tree dress.

Meghan's expensive ensemble speaks for her loud and clear.

I love the dress. It’s a good sitting-down for interview dress but the dropped waist w/flounce is too juvenile for her otherwise.

I think Meghan is doing an awesome job as a lesser royal. A side show that make the people closer to the throne look better.

'We know Meghan. She is everything you wish you were and will never be. Take a xanax, Psycho.'

Check out this paranoid schizophrenic who thinks she's talking to Meghan Markle on Datalounge just because the words 'white cunt' were used to describe disgusting parasite Kate.

And along comes the new Obama-Springsteen podcast “Renegades” which is actually one people will want to hear.

Poor Sussex podcast is going to have a hard time finding listeners...the content is boring, and unlike the skilled team at Fresh Air that can make anyone sound interesting, Megan and Harry are not so skilled.

Wanting to “elevate people’s voices” is certainly a worthy goal, but in order to draw listeners, it’s got to be interesting and entertaining.

I bet they'll try to get Amanda Gorman on the podcast.

R265 take a zanax is an actual prescripted troll comment. R266 I know lots of people who are going to watch the interview. Some are young too. It's the Brf one they are avoiding. Nothing about the Brf is relatable. They also align themselves with racist tabloids. The younger generation is more multicultural and find the Sussex more relatable. And Andrew still turns people off from the Brf. When they think of him they think BRF. Unfair maybe but true

The Harkles' interview with Oprah was already taped, and then a few days later these two insufferable jerks heard that the queen was stripping them of all their royal patronages. The queen officially told them that a "half-in/half-out" royal role was not possible. They would not get to pick and choose what they wanted to do a half-a-world away living in the U.S. Apparently the loss of all their royal patronages came as a shock and blindsided them. As a result, the interview with Oprah had to be heavily edited or even redone in part because they talked abut their patronages which were unexpectedly stripped from them. Why they didn't know that the patronages would taken away is very naïve of them. They were living in delusion, but the queen meant business. All this commotion with the Oprah interview might have added fuel the fire and one of the reasons that these two ingrates issued that disrespectful statement saying "Service is universal."

R269 making shit up as usual. They hadn't done any work with their 'patronages' all year so I doubt they care that they're gone. Harry is pissed off about losing his military role and the military are pissed off too as they don't want some milksop who's never known active service to replace him.

Queen Elizabeth and other senior royals (Charles, Camilla, Will, Kate, Edward and Sophie) will all be making a television appearance extoling the virtues of the Commonwealth countries on the same day that the Oprah interview will air. The queen and company will be celebrating Commonwealth Day (formerly Empire Day) on 7 March, and their television appearance will air that afternoon. Oprah will air that evening in the U.S and the following day in the U.K.

Commonwealth Day is usually celebrated the second Monday in March. The queen decided to celebrate it on Sunday the 7th of March. Looks like the queen has beaten the Harkles to air date punch. According to the BBC, this date has been set for months. So the queen is going on the air first. However, if the Harkles knew that Commonwealth Day would be celebrated on 7 March, then they intentionally picked that day for their interview to air to compete with the queen and the other senior royals.

R270. Not making anything up. It has been reported by multiple sources (in both the US and UK) that the Oprah interview is being heavily edited because having the patronages stripped from these two came as a surprise, whether of not you want to believe it.

See the following:

R270. You are wrong (as usual).

Harry and Meghan's Oprah interview to be re-edited as rift widens with Royal Family:

Whomever advised them to donate to a Dallas battered women's shelter to spite Ted Cruz was masterful A.O.C.-like move

Queen Elizabeth To Send TV Message Hours Before Harry Tell-All Interview

Queen Elizabeth II appearance will come just hours before Harry and his wife Meghan tell the world about why they left the royal family, in a move that has reportedly angered its remaining members.

R275. Touché, Your Majesty!

R274. Agreed. AOC may have even suggested it.

I don't understand how they thought they could keep their BRITISH patronages when they don't plan on living in Britain.

Their plan to dump things they didn't like (protocol; doing all the grunt work; not being able to be front and center stars at all times) but to keep fancy patronages that gave them some gravitas and looked good on the CV was frankly ridiculous. Being a Royal Patron means you have to put in the work, even if that's just showing up for a fundraiser and a board meeting once a year. Kind of difficult to do living thousands of miles away from the country where the patronages are based.

They really are morons.

^^You said it. Yes, they really are morons.

And, watch....old Phil is gonna kick the bucket next week and totally fuck up their interview getting aired.

His final revenge!

The Brf is already being called petty on twitter. Once you wade through the paid pr the general consensus seems to be " Okay I wasn't going to watch but the Brf have guaranteed I will now". The brf's pr don't get it. All the drama with the tabloid articles and the changed BRF thing has upped the interest in the Oprah Interview. It's going to be watched by millions

Numbers matter. A successful interview is a watched interview. It's all about the view count. The UK tabloids and the BRFs behaviour in conjunction with the massive troll fest currently occurring with multiple anti Meghan posts has guaranteed the success of this interview.

Why is the BRF petty? If you told your boss you wanted to work remotely and come in for important meetings, and s/he said, "Sorry, this job demands that you come into the office," and you had already moved to somewhere else, would you be surprised to receive your termination notice?

He was never going to be king and she was never going to be queen; who knows what role his family played in Diana's death?

He wanted out; he got out.

Time will tell if the marriage survives; if it doesn't, perhaps, he'll return to England and his family.

My “something nice”: The dress looks nicer on her sitting than it does on the model standing. It’s quite ugly as advertised, but it’s not bad as worn by a seated Meghan.

She wants to be AOC so badly.

I’m quite interested to know if young people are buying what Harry is selling. It’s true he’s been rebellious his entire life, and I can understand him chafing at the constraints of royal expectation. I don’t think he’s at all comfortable with his role as lecturer, though. There’s something sheepish and awkward when he’s reading his script, as if he knows how idiotic it is to be lecturing people about their carbon footprint. It’s as though he is almost self-aware.

R232 you're the only one gullible enough to believe they got anything close to that.

Who gives a shit what a bunch of clueless Americans are saying on Twitter about an institution that has nothing to do with them?

I have a great acting job for her. Really let her stretch her inners and project all those pent up juices. I’ll send her the script, a portable table, and some pinto beans for her to make her audition tape. Wonder if she can sing, my favorite song is Brown Eyed Girl.

R286, the problem with Harry is that he isn't that interesting or intelligent and he has nothing of value to say about anything. That's fine when he's doing public appointments in the UK or Commonwealth where the value lies in the fact the he turns up as a working royal to an event, acts polite and interested in the people there and sheds light on their cause, especially at a political level. For wounded veterans, disabled kids, disadvantaged communities it's extremely important when a royal visits them in the UK. But what do an estranged member of the British royal family and a controversial celebrity who would have remained obscure if it wasn't for her marriage have to offer people in need in the US? There are already 1000s of celebrities in the US who are "serving" on social issues. The only thing of interest about these two is the royal connection. Otherwise, they have nothing to offer.

Not too many people have sympathy to spare. Half a million dead from a virus in the US, people freezing to death in their homes, major industries brought to their knees, and we’re supposed to feel sorry for these two jackoffs in the lap of luxury?

Next.

R290. You make a good point. It seems like Markle has been doing this "faux woke cause thing" for a while--or at least she envisioned it to be her ticket to prominence. So it comes more naturally to her even though she sounds like she's full of shit. However, the only thing Harry seemed to be interested in was going to Africa maybe a couple of times a year making an appearance on behalf of the disadvantaged African kids and organizing the Invictus Games for disabled military, a noble cause. He never came across as a "woke driven issue oriented kind of guy." But now she's got him spouting stuff about which he has shown no prior interest.

What I don’t understand is that people are actually taking sides over this. The players may have different motives but both are entirely about self interest and both are just more examples of privileged people exploiting the public’s desperate obsession with wealth and celebrity.

I really hoped after so many ordinary people have died and the rich and famous have been shown to be no help whatsofuckingever ( unsurprisingly ) we’d finally move on from the fawning, forelock tugging and generally presenting our arses to be royally ( and Royally ) fucked yet again. Apparently not.

Anyone taken in by Markle is an idiot. Anyone who supports the Royals is a serf. There are better people out there. Just most likely not as expensively dressed.

R292 Meghan is an operator. When feminism was the fashion online a few years ago, that was her cause. When America began its racial "reckoning" (whatever that means) last year, that became her cause. (Incidentally, Meghan's racial background, combined with her ruthless ambition, is a huge limitation on the royals - she is not afraid to make and publicise trumped-up racial accusations., and the royals know this) If, tomorrow, disability issues became the thing du jour, and we all had to advocate for more ramps and low-down door handles, Megs would be manning the barricades. She hitches her wagon to whatever the fashionable cause is. The only cause she truly holds dear is Meghan Markle.

Some of us are British r293 and the monarch is our head of state, so it's about a little more than about picking favourite celebrities. The royal family are there to serve us. Anyone of them that doesn't want to do that or who thinks it's about them and not us can fuck off.

Exactly what is it about "serving us" that allows them to be compensated by lives of unimaginable luxury which they have acquired simply by an accident of birth?

r296, centuries of royal primogeniture.

R277 I think there would be a big competitive vibe between Meghan and AOC.

R292 They really could have made Africa their base and cause. It would have been unique and special.

^Meghan would have got away with it due to her partial African ancestry, but Harry would just have been seen as a white saviour if he moved to Africa, and that's incompatible with their current incarnation. Anyway, I don't think Meghan could live so far from the limelight.

I dunno, Harry seems to have established his Africa bona fides at a young age. He appears to have truly loved the place.

Harry might have liked moving to Africa, but Meghan wouldn't live there in a thousand years. Her goal was always to go back to California.

R295 - I’m British and long ago figured out that while the Royal Family are maybe meant to serve us...they don’t. The Queen turned out to be not a whole lot of use when Johnson threatened to prorogue Parliament and also break international law. It has since been revealed that, despite the belief that they do not become involved in influencing laws, both the Queen and Prince Charles have done exactly that behind the scenes to protect family interest.

They are rich. They are famous. As for celebrity, what exactly do you associate Oprah Winfrey with ? Diana used to tangentially arrange photo ops with the paparazzi. Fergie sold access to Andrew.

They can all fuck off.

As for making Africa their cause, does anyone give a fuck about that place anymore? Talk about a lost cause and people being their own worst enemy. Tribalism, nepotism, superstition, over population and low IQ can't be fixed.

Gross, R304.

[QUOTE] As for making Africa their cause, does anyone give a fuck about that place anymore? Talk about a lost cause and people being their own worst enemy. Tribalism, nepotism, superstition, over population and low IQ can't be fixed.

Obscene racism. Muriel needs to ban the Klan from DL.

It did seem like Africa was where they were headed, remember the rumors? Way before the SA tour. Megs must’ve put her foot down, she was already pregnant. Probably told Harry it was too dangerous. I wonder if he dares raise the subject again? Oh, but she’s pregnant again and they’ve got this nice house now.

Meghan left so she could monetize her position. No way she could do that in Africa.

She told Harry in Botswana that she wanted to move there with him, got the ring on her finger, then decided Africa was too dangerous, but Canada would be fine. Then got to Canada, and changed her mind again, and hey presto : California - where she had always planned on them ending up, became where they ended up.

Where the fuck can you wear a tiara in Africa?!

Canada would have been acceptable for "royals."

The idea of being the President of the Commonwealth without either living in Britain or any one of the (many, many) Commonwealth nations is ludicrous on its face.

"We care SO much about the Commonwealth...yes, we chose a non-Commonwealth country in which to live, but never mind that..."

Meghan's moves are totally predictable to everyone except Meghan's delusional fans (and that includes Harry). Way back in the days of the Dangling Tendrils thread, we were predicting that she'd have a baby right away, leave the Royal family immediately afterwards, and head for California. We were called racists, misogynists, and every other name in the book over these predictions, which took place exactly as we said.

Now, we get called the same thing when we say that the Harkles will continue to monetize their connection to the BRF (mostly through whining about how ill-treated they've been), that they will merch baby Diana half to death, and that Meghan will divorce Harry as soon as something better comes along. Yet, I guarantee that all of these things will happen in the next 2-3 years.

Agreed on all points, r312, but nothing better will come along for Meghan. No billionaire will want to marry someone so repetitively and openly disloyal to those around them.

I don't think Meghan's next move will be a billionaire. She wants to be the next Oprah, with a media network all her own. If she thinks she has a chance at that, she'll dump Harry in a second. He WOULD be a drag on that sort of move. She'll need to rebrand herself as an independent American mother. Duchess of Sussex doesn't work with that at all.