Meghan to Give Tell All Interview

When is their subsidy from the BRF ending? This could cement it.

And just on cue, the British Press is declaring open season on Megs and they are starting to air her dirty laundry!

[quote]ITV has broken the scope

[quote]The interview was supposed to be secrert, but after ITV got the scope

Day drinking!

Question: Why would you put yourself through the pressure of a major interview and the criticism you'll draw from it when you're newly pregnant just months after having a miscarriage? Seems odd to me.

Interview summary: "Racism, racism, racism, Britsh press, racism, racism, Trump, racism, racism." as Oprah nods her head knowingly.

Will there be enough camera filters for the old hag? 😁

Smugs, not OW.

I’m assuming “scope”=“scoop”?

If someone paid me, I’d watch the thing. Otherwise, I can guess how it’ll go.

Given that this interview is with Oprah, I'm guessing there will be red lines: e.g. Meghan won't talk about the Queen or the royal family directly (she may imply or point fingers at the courtiers) but she values her title too much to openly take shots at the Queen. But this does feel like Diana's Panorama interview since Megs apparently tried to keep it secret. If it is really a tell all, the Queen will likely act swiftly and strip them of their titles.

She's only 39, R6

Well I guess we now know why Meghan won't be joining Harry in the UK this summer!

R9 Diana's Panorama interview, while it did gain her public sympathy, proved to be her biggest mistake (even she admitted afterwards).

As for Meghan: for someone who claims all she wants is privacy, she certainly goes out of her way to court attention.

"We are sick and tired of intrusive media scrutiny and horrific lack of privacy we have to endure! It's literal violence against us! That's why we're appearing on America's most watched network weekly show to complain about it!"

Meghan's name is BEFORE Harry's and Meghan will be interviewed by Oprah and Harry will join them later on.

It begs the question: would Oprah even give her the time of day if she didn't marry Harry?

Having it all! Living my best life! Making a difference! Living my truth! Knowing what matters! Leading the way! Speaking truth to power!

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[quote] She's only 39, [R6]

Near death, then.

Translation: We don't care, do you?

Wow. This is really nice of her to do for us. We're gonna have a friggin' field day, sisters!

I am really surprised by this as I thought it would be years before they did an interview.

I wonder if it will turn out to be a hoax?

Meghan Markle And Prince Harry Choose Oprah Winfrey For Tell-All Interview

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are ready to talk about their “future hopes and dreams.”

You should all kill yourselves.

R14 Harry was an opportunity for Meghan. I believe she was in love with his title and the doors her marrying into the royal family would open, but she doesn't love him at all. I mean as a person he doesn't seem like much of a prize. It's pretty well known that she ditched a man she was engaged to, to be with Harry.

She married into the royal family expecting to be the next Diana, but the Brits weren't interested in what she was selling and she didn't like the highly regulated nature of royal life and the fact that she and Harry would increasingly become irrelevant as William and Kate's kids grow up. So she wanted to bail and move to the US to make a much money and garner as much attention off her titles as possible. She is trying to build her own brand right now. This is why Harry is constantly taking a back seat. As soon as she feels she's established herself enough, she is going to leave him high and dry.

Oprah better ask Markle if she's doing okay 'cuz no one ever does.

And she's gotta thrive, not merely survive.

She’s not newly pregnant looks to be at least 5 months I’d guess she waited until well into her second trimester

OW needs a "bullshit bottle." An empty spray bottle filled with water and a big, colorful label with "bullshit" taped on. A therapist of mine had one and everytime I denied any depression or aniexty, he simply took out the bottle and quietly started spaying it. She should do everytime MM lies to her. It was very efftective. 😄

Half the nutters are taking Mental health breaks after the second baby news. They said it in their own words. This is going to have them creaming their xxxl grannie undies whilst hatewatching and squealing 'They aren't interesting. Why don't they go away. Privacy!!!!!! '

You are the one creaming your panties, loon. Over such a basic bitch as that loser, lol!

R24 In true Oprah style this is going to be an easy interview designed to make her friend look good. I'm sure the questioning will shy away from her family (if she talks about her father it will give the Daily Mail more grounds to appeal the recent court verdict) and while she might hint and tensions with the royals, she wouldn't name them specifically. She will go after the British Press, talk about being the victim of 'racism' and talk about mental health. It will be a fluff piece designed to build brand Meghan.

Interesting that this interview is happening just days after it was leaked the Queen told Harry that he could not keep his honorary military titles. Something it's said he was very upset about.

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[quote] Interesting that this interview is happening just days after it was leaked the Queen told Harry that he could not keep his honorary military titles. Something it's said he was very upset about.

Oh, boo hoo hoo!

[quote] Meghan to Give Tell All Interview

Before she sues OW for breaches of privacy and copyright, Warby to the rescue.

Can't she just stay at home and make jam until the baby comes? She is determined to use her new found fame (completely through marriage) to advance herself whatever the cost to the institution that produced her husband. When in doubt, grab the mic and work it.

They are just not that interesting. No one is interested in what they’re selling, despite them employing a tram of 6 PR specialists to promote them daily. For a couple who say they want privacy they sure seem to want the opposite. People aren’t stupid, they can see the hypocrisy.

She had a previous win in the English court in December. I don't remember a DL thread on that at the time.

Overall, they seem to be doing rather well in court.

MM was on CBS’s NCIS LOS ANGELES last night in an acting role.

You could tell she’s pregnant.

From R31's link: "However, accompanying it was a photograph of Meghan lying in Harry's lap under a tree in the Californian sunshine, with her Hobbit-like bare-footed husband grinning broadly as he cradled her bump."

The despicable Piers Morgan means 'cradled her head' not 'bump' but I like that he did it on purpose.

In 'The Photo' Beavis is cradling her head, not her bump. To be sure, Pathetic Piers has his moments; he has never gotten over being stood up on a date with Megzie.

My parents were discussing Meghan's pregnancy earlier. Their verdict is that Meghan's a manipulative schemer who's out for everything she can get, and Kate is lovely but looks like a Stepford wife. In other words, I'm starting to worry my parents are secret Dataloungers.

Buckingham Palace must be freaking out

"In fact, it's quite clear that the pair of them crave attention and publicity like ravenous jackals gorging on the carcass of a freshly slain gazelle."

Daytime drinking much Piers?

R37, Meghan wasn't on NCIS LA last night. It was a lookalike actress and the character was named "Meghan Merkel". Although it's interesting that they made the actress look visibly pregnant.

[quote]Wow. This is really nice of her to do for us. We're gonna have a friggin' field day, sisters!

Yes, there's that. And she's going to give us so much to work with.

What a clod. She is going to get eaten alive in media.

And NCIS LA is on CBS, so the network clearly did this to drum up "Did she or didn't she?" stories about Markle in advance of Oprah's CBS March 7 interview.

From the Maul: "The tell-all special, entitled 'Oprah with Meghan and Harry', will air on US network CBS on March 7, and will focus primarily on the Duchess of Sussex who will discuss 'everything from stepping into life as a Royal, marriage, motherhood, philanthropic work to how she is handling life under intense public pressure'."

It's 90 minutes.

They are such pathetic hypocrites. I mean, do you want your privacy or not? What have you done, other than slide from famous to increasing infamy?

The Royal family and the court never forgave Diana for Panorama. Even she regarded it as a colossal miscalculation. I don't see how this ends well. I mean she doesn't give a damn, she's been disposing of family her whole life. But where does that leave poor dim him? Because there's no reason to believe she won't be done with him some day too.

She's creepy.

Not sure they’ll be able to find a room big enough to hold those three and their egos

I don’t know that much about them or the ins and outs of PR, but I’m now guessing she’s got some very dirty laundry that she doesn’t want exposed, which is why she’s got such a full blown offense strategy. Being a naturally nosy gossip hound, I’m now much more curious than I would’ve been if the tabloids had just been allowed to do what they normally do. I usually assume they’re exaggerating or outright lying, but no more! I want to know all the sordid details of her grasping journey to Santa Barbara.

"I never liked her. Him, I don't know him but I wish him luck; he's gonna need it."

The US tabloids have to take her on. Let her sue them in CA and she'll never get the favorable treatment she is getting in English courts.

R48 She and her family, the whole lot from sister to parents, are shady and unstable characters. I’m including her mom Doria in this too. Doria was presented as a LCSW but she’s not, she’s a step below that. But that doesn’t stop her from being set up as head of a private, fees-only care/ senior service company. The website is shady as fuck. Money laundering possibilities abound.

I’m sick of this entire family I wish all of them would just fade into obscurity

I never again what to hear DLers whining about "so many Meghan Markle threads." This interview will be DL's Zapruder film. We will study it and dissect it for decades.

It's not even being produced by Archewell Inc.

Yawn. Zzzzzzzz. They are soooooo boring.

So what the fuck did we pay for then?

Palace scared shitless. They should just have done it all Meghan's way to start with and all of this friction could have been avoided. If Oprah is on their side then they've won.

[quote] Interview summary: "Racism, racism, racism, Britsh press, racism, racism, Trump, racism, racism."

Irony proof.

R57 what exactly is “done it all Meghan’s way”? Hollywood famewhoring as part of royal life? You think Brits want a bunch inbred idiots to act like celebrities instead of morons that they barely tolerate to cut ribbons at charity centers and the like?

No one at Buckingham Palace or anywhere else did anything to Megalomaniac that has them fearing for the future.

She's blowing her wad and once it's over she has nothing left.

Privately they're bracing but they also know who the winner is in the long term. It isn't Montecito Barbie.

[quote] Palace scared shitless.

Not really.

If they annoy them enough, they can rescind the royal ducal titles and the allowance from Chafles. Let's see how long they could live, then, off the few millions they've saved, and with no titles to give them marketing cachet.

r57 = Omid "Yes, Mistress..." Scobie

That may be the ultimate plan. Cut them off, break them, she moves on, he comes home. They are nothing without their strained relationship with the monarchy. Cut off that and they have nothing to sell. Nobody likes a loser.

In the self-promoting baby announcement photo, Dim reminds me of a Huck Finn-type of character.

I just thought how sad it was he's forgotten how to tie his shoes. Or that he can't afford a butler to do it, like back home.

Whose egg did she use this time?

Dear lordie, someone please make that horseface go away!!!

IMO, Oprah will go easy on them. It will be like an extended People magazine article.

I hope Oprah isn't wearing another Macy's Parade float like she did at the wedding.

OPRAH: "Your Royal Highnesses, please tell our viewers at home something that you KNOW is true!"

(Harry and Meghan look at each other smugly, then turn back to Oprah.)

MEGHAN: (looking soulful) "It's not enough to just survive something, right? That's not the point of life. You've got to thrive, you've got to feel happy."

(She looks meaningfully at Harry.)

HARRY: "My turn? Okay... How about, 'Whatever Meghan wants, Meghan gets!'"

Well I do actually agree with her on the thrive part after living through 2020. That being said, she may be clever enough to praise the royals and then talk about how the press was cruel because she is "a little black" and feelings, feelings, feelings. Dim isn't as clever and who knows what he will say. She needs to be there to shut him up in case he blows it.

I am more concerned with Oprah giving Harry whatever Dr. Scholl's industrial strength foot balm she uses to squeeze those Yeti hooves into those heels she wears because his feet are ranker than both their pussies combined. Just nasty...also, he always walked around with bad shoes that either had a hole in the sole or didn't fit well or were untied. Podiatrist nightmare.

R71, I suspect ever question, answer and Oprah's hushed in awe voice over will be well scripted

Finally the truth will come out. I am so happy that Her Royal Duchess Meghan and His Highness Harry will be able to spread much needed joy and happiness to the world.

We are so lucky to have these amazing powerful role models Oprah and Meghan together. I cant help but think about all the young women and young men who will be influenced to make a change in this troubling world.

I hope Meghan shares her wisdom about climate change, social, economic upheavals, and the future of our humanity.

I will have my Best champagne 🍾 and caviar ready for this once in a lifetime event. This broadcast will go down in history as the most viewed and cherished moment ever.

My respect to this admirable power couple for all their sacrifices and hardwork to make life better for all.

Every time these two have given interviews (the engagement, in Africa) they's clobbered their own faces with the number of times they've shoved their feet in their mouths.

No matter how cloyingly sweet and velvet Oprah makes this interview, there will be at least a few clangers for the ages said by one or both Harry and Meghan. I'm willing to bet there will be more than a few.

They need a tough, old-fashioned PR agent who tells them "No." For example, going onscreen for 90 minutes is just begging to drop a clanger. It should have been kept it to half that, maximum. Say nothing negative - only positive things (nothing against the Royal Family or the British people especially). Show humility and gratitude for all that has been done for (and spent on) them. No bitterness, no recriminations, just pure joy and fun and gratitude.

But we know they won't do that. They'll do that for half the time and then the rest of the time will be a series of veiled references to how "mistreated" they've been by the BRF and the British, because, natch, rayyyycism. She will talk about how the media and the public caused her to miscarry, and nearly caused her to miscarry Archie. She'll drone on and on about how she is "abused" and "hunted", when all she wants is privacy. He will echo her sentiments perfectly, and take more direct shots against the family and especially against Britain. I guarantee it.

R73 - true. Meagain is a control freak that will probably set the questions to her liking and terrorize poor Oprah with 4 AM texts while, in fact all Oprah wants is to dream of her next calorie-laden meal.

Meghan will butter up Oprah with bread.

Surely it's not 90 minutes LIVE? If so, that's just asking for trouble.

Not live, r78. Live broadcast would be suicidal. No - it will be bad enough pre-recorded. The things they are itching to say - that they are victims, that everyone who criticizes them is racist, that they were "forced" to leave by the mean, mean racist family and mean, mean British public - all that will slip out of the side of their mouths, and be on film for all eternity.

R79 I agree and that is the truth

Surely Archewell Editors LLP will dictate the final cut?

Meghan doesn't exist. See how easy it is. Just banish her from your brain before some A-hole calls you a racist.

I am a racist but I have never had a racist thought about Meghan.

Thank God that Our Dear Meghan Found Lovely Harry. I was devastated when I heard about Poor Megan's Miscarriage but now I am filled with Hope that she has resurrected herself from the ashes to carry this Miracle baby. What a Dashing Couple. The thought of them making love makes me shiver with warm wet fuzziness.

Of course Oprah gets the exclusive interview, why do you think she and "O" Magazine have been kissing their asses on social media for the past 3 years?

So 3 dumb vapid cunts on tv

Oprah is a racist pig

Pregnant 40 year old. I can't believe this is news.

There are two types of people in this world. Williams- who do the work and don't bitch, and Harrys - who quit and run away and only bitch.

They marry their equal. Harrys belong in California.

R57 I think the fear is not so much about what Meghan or Harry might say, but what the long-term ramification will be. Diana's interview was the final straw and was ultimately what led to the Queen insisting the couple get divorced and cost Diana her title and royal protection. Ultimately neither party came out of that whole mess unscathed and sadly Diana's removal from the protections of royal security played a hand in her death two years later. The sense is that the royal family couldn't care less about Meghan, but have wanted to keep the door open to Harry to return (In the very likely scenario that he and Meghan get divorced). This interview may force the Queen and Charles to cut the final straw including getting rid of their titles and cutting off their security costs.

The times however are different. Diana was HUGELY popular when she gave that interview. Harry and Meghan are no longer well-regarded within the UK. In the UK, this interview will likely further tarnish their image. In the US, it will help them land more deals.

r75 has it, spot on, re what they should say vs what they'll end up saying. What a nightmare, a disaster in the making these two. You all KNOW they both won't be able to restrain from making whiny 'woe is me the victim' statements more than once. At 90 mins in length it gives them more than enough rope to hang themselves.

What are they going to do to fill up 90 full mins? They've only been married three years, not even that. What are they going to talk about? Their new huge estate, their minimal charity work? There isn't enough there yet to work with. It's going to be a bitchfest for sure, otherwise how would they get 90 mins in primetime on a major network? This has already been taped and they know what's in the bag.

It will be carefully edited. Oprah won't let them blow it. But it will generate headlines. As someone upthread said, it's the launch of their new brand.

She’s too old to be having babies. Inbred Royal + aged egg=mentally deficient . Diana was still in her twenties and look at Harry. Just stop with this overworked DNA!

[quote]As someone upthread said, it's the launch of their new brand.

It will define their new brand, perhaps permanently. Not just 'launch' it. They can't mess this up. Will their new brand be strong, forward-facing and confident, without rancor or self-pity? Or will it be perpetual manufactured victimhood as they loll about their 12 bedroom mansion in Montecito, while the rest of the world crumbles. I'm not betting against the latter given their track record.

R89 So true! Diana was loved by the public plus she had put in a good 15 years of being Princess of Wales doing all the boring engagements for the Royal Family. Meghan did hardly anything as far as royal engagements go. The Royal family didn't stop Diana's police protection, unfortunately she was the one who refused it after her divorce because she believed Charles was spying on her via the police. The ironic thing is it may have been Martin Bashir who put all those ideas of Charles and the police into her head. Hopefully we will find out after the BBC inquiry into the infamous Panorama interview she gave.

It's already a triump, according to the Maul:

Royal sources say there is now 'no way back to official duties' for Prince Harry and Meghan Markle as the couple agree to 90-minute tell-all Oprah TV special The move would see Harry stripped of his three remaining honorary military titles, while Meghan would have to step down as patron of the National Theatre, unless she can negotiate another position with them Harry and Meghan are set to lose all their remaining royal patronages, the Daily Mail can reveal today.

The revelation follows an announcement that the couple have recorded a 'tell-all' TV special with Oprah Winfrey.

It is understood the Queen is to ask them to relinquish their links with any organisations passed down through the Royal Family.

No doubt they will be addressing the millions of gallons of water it takes to irrigate that estate of theirs in water-starved CA.

The Maul contends the interview is a reaction by them.. not to them... that they got told no more titles and affiliations beyond much loved members of the family... so they sat down with Orca.

Can the money from the Duchy of Cornwall to Montecito be turned off please and these two made to go back to the UK and do their duty? They've still got Frogmore, right? Under the flightpath: much more suitable; they need to know their place.

Neither the ginger prince nor his parvenu wife have any self-awareness at all. I’m still at a loss as to what kind of “brand” they think they can launch. They’re hitting their 40s at lightning speed and that’s too old to remake yourself into some young, hip couple without having decades of prior popularity or experience. There’s a natural hierarchy to celebrity, and they simply don’t have the it factor or the curriculum vitae to jump the line.

Also, after the disastrous Bradby interview in South Africa, with Bradby being on their side, it was still an unmitigated PR disaster and made her a bigger laughingstock than she already was. I guess they’ve learned absolutely nothing.

Meghan knows what she is doing... she will tell me what to do...

No doubt they will be addressing the Megawattysukharnoputri amounts of electricity it takes to air-con that pile of theirs with its 13 bathrooms, and its carbon footprint on the scorched earth of Calif.

"One source has said: 'You can't have one of the head of state's representatives flogging cups of coffee, it's as a simple as that.'

Just days ago friends of the prince signalled his determination to fight in particular for his military titles: Captain General of the Royal Marines, Honorary Air Commandant of RAF Honington in Bury St Edmunds, and Commodore-in-Chief, Small Ships and Diving, Royal Naval Command.

But it seems as if that battle, at least, has been lost.

The father of one will be allowed to keep anything that is a private patronage – and he still has several, such the Invictus Games and WellChild. Meghan holds two personal patronages, the Mayhew animal charity and Smart Works.

It is not clear when an announcement on the patronages will be made but the Mail understands that it could even be earlier than March 31, when the couple's review period concludes."

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It's like all of Diana's mistakes with none of her positives.

[quote] Captain General of the Royal Marines, Honorary Air Commandant of RAF Honington in Bury St Edmunds, and Commodore-in-Chief, Small Ships and Diving, Royal Naval Command.

He should be caught marshalled as a desserter.

a multi-millionaire being interviewed by another multi-millionaire from the privacy of their mansion about how hard their lives are in the middle of a pandemic when thousands of people around can't even attend the funeral of their loved ones? Great idea!

105...caught marshalled? Jesus Christ.

R106 Yup the world is basically fucking ending, but let's spend 90 minutes listening to Meghan Markel moan about her terrible life.

r107 is so new here (visiting from celebitchy, no doubt) that it doesn't even know how to address its posts.

I wonder if they've learned from their whining on the Africa tour or if this will be worse

On some level, Oprah must hate her. Oprah pulled herself up and built an empire. Meghan married a rich idiot.

Oprah will do everything within her power to help them keep their comments on a best-foot-forward basis, and if they fail (they will) she will help again in the edit room. She lives 2 houses away from them and will not want to have a disastrously bad interview on her hands with her neighbors blaming her for their new problems.

The question is, does Oprah understand the truth of the situation well enough to be able to guide them away from danger? I don't think she does. She probably believes that people don't like Meghan because of racism, and will steer the interview to address those issues. The truth is, people dislike Meghan for her personality, and Harry for his hypocrisy and spoilt stupidity (to say nothing of his abandoning his military posts with no notice).

Unless Oprah genuinely understands this about the Harkle's publicity problems, she can steer and edit all she wants, but it will still be a PR disaster.

One year post Megxit, two years post baby no. 1 and 3 years post royal wedding: new interview, new baby and new California life! Yep. Just like clockwork. Planned out to a T! Trouble is for all their planning they a still so self important and do not come from a sincere place. And when a large part of what you desire is public adoration and fame this is a problem. Go away and have a nice life but no one wants your coffee or your sanctimonious preaching about the environment and the underprivileged. They have no education or experience to back these issues up. And as long as they continue to refer to themselves as Duke and Duchess that right there is a glaring contradiction in what they preach.

My guess is they are going to virtue signal like mad and lecture us as to how we should live, further enraging the public. There will be some minor shade thrown at the unenlightened BRF and the UK. Oprah, their neighbour in Montecito, will nod sagely in agreement. It will be a mutual love-fest of ersatz black solidarity and entitled wokeness.

Most of the ladies in LSA believe H&M have been living in OW's guest house, or one of her homes. That hideous monstrosity they supposedly live in stays empty. It is rumored to have been a Russian money laundering scheme. The point is they have been living on her property. She is also with Sunshine Sachs, same as Cringe and Minge. Everything always leads to SS and Soho House. I think OW is helping them because both are SS clients. Just food for thought.

[quote] They have no education or experience to back these issues up.

But she went to North-by-Northwest and he went to Sandy Lane.

I see that R107 doesn't complain about R105's "desserter". Dear oh dear R107.

Why has OP's post been greylined?

Is the royal money tap about to be turned off?

The royal money tap will never be turned off. Harry (and now MM) know where all the bodies are buried, going back decades.

What is the deal with the Montecito house, R115?

R119 I doubt it. British justice is being subverted to save these two parasites; money is a trivial issue by comparison.

[quote]"The tell-all special, entitled 'Oprah with Meghan and Harry', will air on US network CBS on March 7, and will focus primarily on the Duchess of Sussex

They might as well have called the special 'Oprah with Meghan and Ummm Whatshisname' because you know this is ALL about Megs. Harry will have been sternly warned beforehand to keep his mouth firmly shut, except to laud Megs at every opportunity. Megs will spend the entire 90 min dominating, controlling, cradling her baby bulge and grinning waspishly.

[quote] cradling her baby bulge

Nauseating

There is this UK thing that if a person thinks they are the victim of racism then racist victimization is an established fact in their case. Personally I was only vaguely aware that she claimed to be black - more racism, I suppose. What seems to have been much more of a genuine issue was that she could not get into the tiara closet at will, especially when her coiffeur was in town, and that she and Haze only got Frogmore COTTAGE for their troubles: episodes such as these are deeply troubling to a 'having' nature such as Markle's. But 'racism' is much more marketable than mere jewellery and real estate, and she knows it.

The Queen is pissed.

The Queen is finished with them. I think she has been since they left, or were kicked out, whichever it was. I am sure they will not let nit-wit Harry starve or go homeless, but if they were to allow him back out of pity one day, he would go the way of Andrew. Harry would be exiled on some isolated property and be ordered to not show his face publicly at RF outings or gatherings.

The Queen is finished with them. I think she has been since they left, or were kicked out, whichever it was. I am sure they will not let nit-wit Harry starve or go homeless, but if they were to allow him back out of pity one day, he would go the way of Andrew. Harry would be exiled on some isolated property and be ordered to not show his face publicly at RF outings or gatherings.

The Queen is finished with them. I think she has been since they left, or were kicked out, whichever it was. I am sure they will not let nit-wit Harry starve or go homeless, but if they were to allow him back out of pity one day, he would go the way of Andrew. Harry would be exiled on some isolated property and be ordered to not show his face publicly at RF outings or gatherings.

The Queen is finished with them. I think she has been since they left, or were kicked out, whichever it was. I am sure they will not let nit-wit Harry starve or go homeless, but if they were to allow him back out of pity one day, he would go the way of Andrew. Harry would be exiled on some isolated property and be ordered to not show his face publicly at RF outings or gatherings.

Their subsidy, as several have asked, was one more year of "floating" by Charles, probably to the tune of 3 million, when they left, pending review after a year if they didn't demonstrate "financial independence". It is strongly suspected that it is Charles who gave Harry the money to pay off the renovation bill at Frogmore Cottage, as well.

As soon as they signed the Netflix deal, they announced through media pals that they were no longer taking money from Charles, and certainly they were off the Sovereign Grant the moment they bailed a year ago.

What other arrangements Charles makes for Harry probably involve Charles' personal will, and most of the time, rich people like this skip a generation, leaving it to grandchildren.

With the Netflix and Spotify deals, and any other funds the newest High Profile Social Influencers can get their hands on, there is no further question of support from the BRF. If the public found out, it would likely ensure that Charles never becomes King even if he does outlive his mother. The monarchy is on borrowed time as it is.

The interview's "tell all" headlines are to ensure huge ratings. It's unlikely that Meghan will be stupid enough, even if she doesn't need Charles' money any longer, to do anything but appear sorrowful and plaintive about how it all didn't work out, and avoid publicly putting the knife into people whose NAME she still needs, not least for her children who, upon the Queen's death, automatically ascend to the rank of HRH that Meghan so nakedly craves for them - unless, of course, she pisses off the new Sovereign, their Grandad, into issuing Letters Patent announcing that the Sussex kids will continue in the style into which they were born: Earl Dumbarton and Lady Diana/Rachel/Doria Mountbatten-Windsor.

The real indications here are that, apart from those coveted titles, it's all over but the shouting for the Sussexes in terms of any place within the structure of the BRF that smacks of representing the monarchy or the country or the Commonwealth. No military appointments, no royal patronages (they'll be free to retain any personal charity works they chose to connect with. But a "royal patronage" that was the gift of the Sovereign means they are representing the Sovereign to that entity, and that simply won't be allowed any longer.), and not positions that allow them to speak on behalf of the Queen's Commonwealth Trust.

They've already stopped using the style of HRH, and with their home base now entirely located in North America, and Meghan wanting to shout her mouth off about equality and freedom and possibly aiming for engagement in politics, her title will eventually become more of a hindrance than a help.

It just doesn't matter that much to the BRF any longer.. They're out. I also wouldn't be surprised if it is also announced that they have given up their "lease" on Frogmore Cottage, and when visiting the UK, will stay in places more to their, er, tastes. Like the grand estate in the Cotswolds that Meghan always wanted.

They will be frozen out and Meghan won't care because she got what she came for: Hollywood, the louche Hollywood lifestyle with Big Bucks, and no boring care homes or schools or openings of hospitals, and most of all, no following along in the wake of the Cambridges, gritting her teeth because they outrank her, their kids outrank her kids, and in the fullness of time, having to curtsey to King William and Queen Catherine, beloved of The People and headed for the history books.

I have to hand it to Meghan - ruthlessness, greed, and narcissism combined with a complete disregard for the value of intangibles like an extended family for her children certainly paid off.

Of course, in the longer run, at some point I fully expect those who have little good to say about Meghan during her three years inside the BRF will begin "telling all" as well.

She's not a nice girl, and the interview will be suitably hypocritical and cringeworthy, painting Meghan as the victim rather than what she really was: the predator.

I'm guessing Charles will always be a soft touch for these two, because he frets about how he looks. Probably guilty about Diana, and worried about being called racist.

I can’t wait for this. The Klan Granny’s heads will explode. It’s glorious.

R130- Great observations. I would bet money Meghan and Harry know no dirt to spill. From day one they knew what she was. She was busted on her very FIRST visit to W&K trying to take pictures of one of their children. They have to have know what Harry is as well. I do not believe they even spoke around those two about anything other than the weather, lol. No, this will be another whinging, self- bragging, vomit-inducing interview. What martyrs the poor rich assholes are, and how sunshine and unicorns fart out of their nasty, unwashed asses and how mean ppl are to the malignant narcissist. Sob!!!!!! As far as funding, PC may still give them some money, but I truly believe others with less than pure motivates are as well. One big tech company is working to censor SM, and the ugly twosome gave done a few Zoom meetings with him. This is why they anger me so much. I do not feel they are just harmless idiots. Idiots, yes, but with nafarious backers who are not stupid and have agendas. She especially reminds me of Trump. A thin skinned sadistic narcissist who cares not at all who she hurts to get attention move up in social society. I particularly loathe her for that.

I agree that Charles probably feels horribly guilty where Harry is concerned. He indulged Harry the way the Queen indulged Andrew and the Queen's father indulged Margaret. Three generations of coddled, indulged spares ranging from seriously troubled anger-ridden or bloated, self-entitled twats, not necessarily mutually exclusive.

What made Meghan dangerous was the fact that she has no real set of "values" as we understand the term, because she has spent her life hustling to put together the formula that, finally, "worked". Where there is authentic core left, there also aren't principles, because principles flow from an authentic sense of self. A pathological focus on what you want isn't the same thing as an authentic self that exists regardless of what you want and whether you've gotten it.

With no principles, there was nothing Meghan would or will stop at to get where she wants to be. And this quality alone, which should have been evident within half an hour of meeting her, should have disqualified her from entry into the BRF.

The Queen and the BRF were handcuffed by the race issue, and by their terror of what Harry would do if denied the woman of his choice being accepted as a full-fledged royal family member, with all the attendant trappings.

Frankly, it would have taken much more balls than the Queen has ever had when it comes to conflicts with her relatives to say, "No, and do your worst, you spoilt shite."

It was a perfect storm.

The best the BRF can do now is ensure they're frozen out of any further opportunities to milk the royal connection, including photo ops at the Trooping the Colour, Remembrance Day, all that stuff.

The BRF need to line up now behind the Cambridges, when the lockdown lifts as it soon will, start making themselves highly publicly visible again, and making the boundaries clear between the Sussexes and the core BRF.

Meghan's pregnancy is something of a gift, as it's unlikely she'll be travelling to the UK any time soon, unless she can't resist the unveiling of Diana's statue in Kensington Palace's grounds, with the new Diana in her arms.

With any luck, the BRF will see that the event is totally private, releasing only some carefully chosen photographs.

Other than that, the demands of two kids and the need to start producing programmes for their Netflix masters, will probably dissuade them from making too much of a point with their few remaining UK charities.

But certainly, whilst understanding the position the Queen was in, she still should have said, No, and let the racism storm break. It would have been gone by now and possibly Harry, as well, which would have been all to the better.

It's an object lesson in the failure of appeasement, no matter how understandable the impulse.

^* where there is NO authentic core left

I can’t wait for the closeup on the single, poignant tear slipping down Meghan’s cheek as she recalls the struggle to conceive a sibling for Archie, how bravely she bore her Tragic Loss (which may have been caused by media/racism/Royal Family), and her hopes for a blessed, positive future focused on thriving.

R132- Zzzzzzzz. Same boring, useless and incorrect observations and rambling. EVERY. FUCKING. THREAD. MEAGHAN. You are a low rent, social climbing whore. No matter how much money you obtain, you will still be the loser from Cali who never could make it on your own. You had to have daddy's connections to even score a Z-list cable show in Toronto and you were embarrassingly bad at it. Cringe Worthy. You fail at everything you do. You will keep failing. You stupidity burned every bridge you have ever had. Spectacularly stupid. You are nothing more than an aging old worn-out whore. No one likes or admires you, you fucking joke, except Qloon nut jobs. I suspect most of your stans are paid PR and bots. Oh, and Rachel with a hotmail account, meaning you ,dipshit. Even you know you are white trash. So does the rest of the planet. Oh, since you are so into filters, please try covering up your hideous wheelchair legs and vomit inducing boat feet with bunions. You are not and never will be Kate or Diana. You look laughable trying . Thanks Spongebob.

R136- Some people are just evil. Trump is one , the GOP, for example. So is she. She has no conscious, empathy, or anything that makes people human. Her daddy did ruin her. She feels she is perfect and others should bow to her because Daddy did. He assured her she is perfect, and she is not. She truly believes she is breath-takingly beautiful and she is a very plain looking women, even unattractive. She is deluded. This is the result of spoiling your child rotten, you are correct. I absolutely agree with your well thought-out post.

R137- ETA: Was that mean enough for you, mean girl? Hmm?

Well, she DID send Oprah a basket of ... tea? Was it? I guess that gets you a tv interview.

I can't believe she had no idea of what she was signing up for by joining the RF. Or maybe she did and knew her doofus husband could be easily swayed to leave.

She thinks it's racism but people just don't like her because she's a grifter. She was a c-list actress on a b-list show who is now a duchess bc of who she married. So empowering!! They contribute nothing. No one gives a shit about them.

Any young female can whore their way to the top. Add an adoring father and a shit-ton of plastic surgery and anyone can do that. That is not an accomplishment to most of us and it is why she is so unimpressive. It is her megalomania that stands out. You can not buy class. She is proof of that. So is Winfrey.

Both Meghan and Oprah are impressive examples of “speak it into existence.” I mean, Oprah is the spokesperson for weight watchers ffs.

And she is a cow. Moo.

I found this interesting tidbit on Instagram. I'm not sure if it's true.

If it isn't, it should be, R144.

This is what I have found so far. I do not trust their credibility.

R144 I'd give this more credit if they had spelled "stealing" right.

Has anyone else noticed in the pic of Oprah at the Sussex wedding that one breast looks significantly larger than the other?

R106 This is the same couple that while on tour in Africa talked about how terribly they were treated by the press while children were literally starving to death around them.

I laugh at the talk that Meghan envisioned herself the new Diana when she first married into the royal family. Diana, for all her legitimate issues, actually cared about people. Yes, Diana manipulated the media and used it her advantage, but she also her profile for good particularly with causes no one else wanted to champion e.g. AIDS, landmines etc. It's also telling that Diana's staff adored her, while Meghan and Harry's office has been a revolving door. Meghan lacks the playfulness, awarness and ability to connect with others like Diana. If she's not getting something out of it, she's not interested and that mindset is not comparable with royal life.

Lol - of course they'd be stealing from their charity, that's why rich assholes set them up in the first place! Grifters gonna grift.

This will be rehearsed word for word, expressions included, by all three of these grifters, and that does include OW. All three are grifting narcs. No surprises, H&M would NEVER give an unscripted, unrehearsed interview because they know how badly they come off. Shallow and insincere. Also self-pitying martyrs. They are both extremely unlikable.

The more they fight the Royals - the more they damage the Royal brand - the more they destroy their claim to fame...

I don't understand their game? Stupid narcissists? I refuse to believe she's that stupid- she's a goldstar gold digger. She's a moderately attractive middle aged c lister who became a princess. That's doesn't just come from grit and luck. I agree that a fear of racism/a woke-rebranding helped her gain a foothold in the Firm, but they could've knocked her off at any time- if you believe they're as cold as most say.

Is she playing the same three dimensional chess that Trump was playing? Where it turned out he truly didn't know what he was getting himself into but failed upward for a time? Can you want something so hard you become President or Queen?

[quote]Most of the ladies in LSA believe H&M have been living in OW's guest house, or one of her homes. That hideous monstrosity they supposedly live in stays empty. It is rumored to have been a Russian money laundering scheme. The point is they have been living on her property. She is also with Sunshine Sachs, same as Cringe and Minge. Everything always leads to SS and Soho House. I think OW is helping them because both are SS clients. Just food for thought.

Now that you mention it, that pregnancy announcement photo does look as if it was taken on Oprah's estate.

Still radio silence on Charles's, Will and Kate's, and the Queen's social media accounts re. the new baby; not a "congratulations" in sight. They must all hate Megs.

R1- The Sussexes are not receiving any subsidies or funds from the UK Tax Payers.

"Everything always leads to SS and Soho House."

R115 - What does Soho House have to do with anything?

R152 When Meghan and Harry blinded sighted the royals by announcing their departure, they wanted to be half-in/half-out working royals (I think this was more Harry's desire than Meghan's). It's alleged that H&M threatened to do a tell all interview if they didn't get their way. So the compromise was reached that they could keep their Sussex title (because Meghan wanted the brand Sussex Royal) but they could not use their HRH nor could they preform any duties on behalf of the Queen. Harry was allowed to keep his military titles for 12 months and then it would be reviewed. Harry has been adamant he wants to keep those titles, but it's believed the Queen has informed him that would not be possible because he is not longer a working member of the firm. This allegedly has made him very mad. But you're right, their whole brand rests on being former members of the royal family. If they are stupid to throw it all away (like Diana did) good luck to them.

R154 When they left Charles agreed to pay for their security plus an additional 'stipend' from his private money (it's estimated Charles is giving them $7 million a year)

Just when I thought they'd retreated into their new rich life, they come clomping back with a frau-y pregnancy announcement and the promise of an Oprah special. Will the B-roll will include shots of her maternally tending to Archie, doing yoga in a gazebo, looking earnestly through documents for her charity "work", and strolling hand in hand with the hubby? BRF shade and more memes like "no one's asked how I'm doing" would be the cherry on top.

[quote]Of course, in the longer run, at some point I fully expect those who have little good to say about Meghan during her three years inside the BRF will begin "telling all" as well.

I expect Mulroney to sell her out... or get recorded babbling either off her face at Soho Toronto or coming out of the anesthesia at the plastic surgeon. Course the size of the new lips might make her even less intelligible.

R153 - Actually, there was one congratulations from the royal family's web site, on the order of "everyone is delighted, we wish them well"

The group acknowledgement, no personal ones, and the cool "we wish them well" was one of the signposts indicating they are fully and completely OUT.

Charles may be paying for their security, but they did put it about after they signed the Netflix deal that they were no longer taking money from him. He had agreed to float them for one more year when they left, and if that included security, it could have been quite high.

I don't believe for a moment the house in Montecito is empty or that they are living at Oprah's place.

I love the ladies on LSA but they do get carried away sometimes.

There was a squabble just last week. The DM reported that Meghan had felt saddened that the RF had edited her name on Archie's birth certificate, replacing her name with a title. The RF, which usually keeps quiet about things like that, apparently said, nope, we didn't do that. I was confused. If the title is demeaning to her, then why the fuck does she insist on using it at every opportunity?

[quote]Meghan won't talk about the Queen or the royal family directly

I think she will say some direct things about the Queen. What does she have to lose? The Queen takes away her title, but Americans will still call them the Duke & Duchess. And Meghan will use that. "She took away our titles, but Harry was born with that title and nobody can take it away."

H&M released that half in-half out "manifesto" already knowing that the Queen, Charles, and William and Kate would never stand for it. My guess is that it was another piece of grandstanding by the Sussexes. If the Queen had gone for it, they'd have gulped and had to accept it, but in fact, they both knew perfectly well that even "half in" would be too constraining politically, and impossible for the British public to accept whilst they hurried off to sunny CA and their monstrous mansion.

It was a blind, not just blind-siding. Meghan, especially, wanted OUT, totally OUT.

When the Queen said No Fucking Way, they bailed. The interview with Oprah will, I suspect, not be remotely as juicy as people hope, because that kind of viciousness tends to backfire. It even backfired on Diana, who was far more loved, charismatic, and important to Britain than Meghan ever was or ever will be.

She'll lob a few, the Palace will ignore her, and go on ignoring her and ignoring her and ignoring her. Sooner or later the public will get tired of her. Sooner or later she will get tired of Harry (her track record on needing, using, and then ghosting is, remember, nothing if not impressive), and eventually it will all become moot.

And then there are the little memoirs yet to be written by people who saw how she behaved privately, to the Windsors, to William and Kate, to the staff, and on the tours. Sooner or later those will make their appearance, as well.

The bottom line is, she and Harry are toast in Britain. Their audience is America, their home is America, their kids are going to be American kids, and they'll drift off into that royal adjacent haze, comfily cushioned against the slings and arrows, it is true, but then, so are the Cambridges.

I hope Charles pegs out before his Mum, unexpectedly, and the Sussexes are left watching William, the real backbone of the family, and his attractive family take center stage and cutting them off with a breathtaking finality as soon as Charles' funeral is over.

Captain General of the Royal Marines, Honorary Air Commandant of RAF Honington in Bury St Edmunds, and Commodore-in-Chief, Small Ships and Diving, Royal Naval Command

I love Harry but wtf with all these titles lol

R161 She loves that title too much to risk it, it's her whole brand now and she knows it, that's why she fought so hard to keep it during Megxit. Yes, Americans might still call them the Duke and Duchess BUT if she were attempt to use it (even calling themselves the former Duke and Duchess) she's get her pants sued off by the Crown aka the British Government. Also if she's dumb enough to go after members of the royal family directly,

A poll out in the UK says that 48% believe Meghan should not give this interview while only 24% said she should. R162 William (at least at the height of Megxit) wanted Harry's HRH revoked.

[quote]BUT if she were attempt to use it (even calling themselves the former Duke and Duchess) she's get her pants sued off by the Crown aka the British Government.

I don't think they'll go that far. How would that even work? Are they sued in a British court because I don't think an American court would bother with that lawsuit. And the British people are deeply embroiled in the drama of Brexit. Do they want another British "issue" to deal with?

[quote]And Meghan will use that. "She took away our titles, but Harry was born with that title and nobody can take it away."

Ah but it can be taken away, by the Queen herself, in a blink of an eye and stroke of the pen. The HRH/Prince can be removed by her for any reason as she sees fit, with no explanation given. It can be done by Letters Patent (for official force) or by simple declaration by her. This is the UK monarch's right.

The Sussex dukedom is unfortunately another story, and might require more intervention (Parliament, possibly) if it were to be removed. Which is why it probably won't. The HRH though - gonzo, if they really step out of line. They already aren't allowed to use it in the US.

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Without access to TRF the magic disappears and I think they realized that far too late. All of these daily " messages" they put out in the tabloids they claim to hate are to get a reaction from TQ and it just screams desperation to me. Meghan is being ghosted and she doesn't like it one bit. What a perfect response from TQ, giving her a taste of her own medicine. Just think of the irony! I love TQ and William, lol. I think they are desperate and this interview is to get some, any, attention from TRF. They know they over. They will soon be over in America because they have nothing to sell, or give. They have no talent, they are remarkably unlikeable, especially right now when ppl are hurting. People have no tolerance for the whining, entitled idiots. The irony is if they would just go and live their life in private as they claim to want people would not dislike them so much.

It's not inconceivable that they stayed at Oprah's while their house was being redone. It would also explain why she was able to keep her pregnancy so secret for so long. A few years ago Oprah bought the neighboring horse farm to her estate. Would suit Harry nicely:

Harry claimed he wanted to be his own man and not just follow around Will and Kate.

So now he has a wife that he can follow around.

What a guy!!

Now there are public calls for Harry to be taken out of the line of succession in order to avert a UK Constitutional crisis

Always ignore the Excess R172.

True or false?

Express readers' poll: "Should Harry and Meghan lose all their titles and patronages over their appearance on Oprah Winfrey?"

Yes - 98%

No - 2%

For perspective, the Daily Express is a working class tabloid with about a quarter million daily circulation and 1 million visits online.

[quote]Has anyone else noticed in the pic of Oprah at the Sussex wedding that one breast looks significantly larger than the other?

She hadn't fully digested one of breakfast sausages.

Which in fairness for Oprah is a whole pig.

Pa Markle has weighed in:

It's funny for Tom to cry about Archie and IncomingStupidName when he doesn't even have a relationship with his adult grandchildren. Doesn't he have 6 grandkids via his first marriage? And he has little to no relationships with them? The entire Markle clan is dysfunctional with a capital D and F

Who was Oprah's escort to the wedding? What's his hourly rate?

I think that's another guest. Oprah went with Col. Sanders. She fingered him.

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Once they've made up their minds, the Royal Family doesn't like things messy. They've showed that time and time again. So if there's a further split it will all be very quiet. No drama. It will be announced as an agreement, whatever it is. (Harry could be announced to have "agreed" to surrender the Sussex title... there's a provision in law for that.) It might be back to Mountbatten-Windsor. Hard to say.

Count on a few things.

If the Mounbatten-Whingers are forced (officially have agreed) to concessions it will probably show Harry who he's really married to.

She'll leak the shit out of it eventually.

They will wind up less than even the original Duke and Duchess of Windsor and, eventually, divorced.

This is nothing to her. She goes through people like a Lawnboy.

It's quite fascinating - the UK backlash - and they haven't even aired yet. CBS is happy.

Meghan has suffered almost as much as Viola.

On a practical note, how are they going to do this safely in a pandemic? A friend of mine worked for Barbara Walters and her interviews involved a crew of over 20 people, plus the producers and the assistants. A minimum of 30 - 40 people milling around, plus drivers and equipment delivery people.

Isn't Meghan worried about catching it while she's pregnant? Pregnant women aren't supposed to get the vaccine.

What happens if (when) they get divorced?

Would Harry have the power to demand she move with the kids back to England?

International divorces must be complex.

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Harry would only become King if there was a freak accident and William and all his kids were suddenly killed.

I'm working on it, r187.

R185, I think they will get divorced. I don't think he'll go back to England. First of all, I think he'd want to live near his kids. So perhaps he can build a guesthouse behind the mansion, where he can live and babysit the kids when Meghan goes out on dates. Also, I can't imagine that the UK would give him a warm welcome back at this point.

Oh, I think the UK would welcome him back. I think he's seen as a foolish victim. And he's charming. Freed of Wallis, all will be forgiven in due course I'd bet.

I think Oprah was doing business all along. Makes sense of the bizarre spectacle of her at the wedding to begin with. Even Oprah must have thought it absorb. And a great opportunity.

An equestrian estate? Oprah on a horse?

If Henry could get winched on to a horse, Orca can too!

[quote]An equestrian estate? Oprah on a horse?

You may have heard the phrase, "I'm so hungry, I could eat..."

Yeah.

There was no social media back when Diana gave the Panorama interview. It's going to be awkward as hell if Meghan and Harry criticise the BRF in March and then publicly wish the Queen a happy 95th birthday in April.

The logical thing to do is for Harry and Meghan to give up their titles and HRHs in the name of egalitarianism now that Britain hates their fucking guts and the only room the BRF will share with them now is Westminster Abbey during the Queen's and/or DoE's funerals.

But the reason that might not happen, is that Meghan knows perfectly well, as does Harry, that the moment the Queen is raptured and Charles' Accession Declaration over, their kids finally get those HRHs that Meghan wanted them to have so badly.

Charles would be left in the awkward position of issuing Letters Patent depriving his grandchildren of their rightful status as grandchildren of the Sovereign in the male lines.

The Harkles know that all they have to do is wait for the old bitch to be raptured, and suddenly their kids are on a par with the Cambridge kids.

Whether it's worth it to them to wait for that and still parade around "classless" America with their Sussex titles, I don't know - it might be that by then their kids are so thoroughly American and in American schools, that the gesture would be moot. It would make it much easier for Charles to issue those Letters Patent, too,. If Harry took the hint and gave up his title and HRH voluntarily because his life in America had changed things for him so much.

But I doubt making things easier for Charles was ever a consideration for Harry, let alone Meghan.

Meghan is a grandstanding harlot who would never pass up an opportunity like this interview to announce that she and her husband are giving up their titles and HRHs so their children can be brought up in a truly egalitarian way (never mind those 15 loos) . . . somehow the image keeps popping into my mind. It would look really stupid for them to give up theirs and then let their kids parade around as HRHs.

Except when I remember how pissed off she was that the Queen didn't make Archie an HRH, and cited THAT as a reason for the way she handled his christening.

One never knows how it will go. I do rather feel sorry for Charles sometimes.

Harry and Meg's kids will never be "on par" with Will & Kate's, just like Andrew's girls were never "on par" with Will and Harry.

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^^^ Apologies I transposed the 'Don't Knows' and the 'Approve' percentages

46% Disapprove

25% Don't Know

29% Approve

From their first interview, just as a reminder:

Page Six: William is "concerned" about Harry and Meghan's tell-all with Oprah:

"The source added that the soon-to-air interview with Winfrey has dredged up memories for William of Diana famously telling Bashir, “Well, there were three of us in this marriage, so it was a bit crowded” — an admission that rocked the royal family."

r172 Kate needs to get pregnant again just to be on the safe side and push Harry and Meghan into furthur irrelevance!

r141 Is it true Oprah bore a grudge against Anjelica Huston because she beat her in the acting oscar race and Oprah deliberately turned her back on Anjelica in a rude passive aggressive snub at a showbiz event years later? something tells me Oprah aint half as nice as she portrays...

Hun, Oprah didn't become Oprah by being nice.

R203- You are right. She damn sure did. This is an article from Vanity Fair.,

R189 When Meghan and Harry divorce (who doesn't see that coming), yeah Harry will likely remain the US because he's burned too many bridges in the UK to ever be welcomed back with open arms. If anything William will pay him to stay away.

R201 William's concern (if this article is even based on a flake of truth) isn't so much about what Meghan will say but the ramifications of it. Diana's interview with a good PR move in the short run, but in the end played a role in her literal demise. And Of course Oprah and CBS are playing up the "nothing's off limits" for this interview but that's to boost ratings. We shouldn't assume that Americans are just going to lap Meghan and Harry up either given how politically divided the country is and the fact they are seen as part of the "woke club" their brand isn't going to be as big as they want.

What a fucking farce it all is. It's obvious the BRF had misgivings about the marriage from the get-go, but even they couldn't imagine what a catastrophe Meghan would be for them.

They never seem to figure out that holding your nose and keeping your fingers crossed just doesn't work.

Nor does indulging the problem child.

It's going to be fascinating watching as they try to circle the wagons to minimise the carnage she wrought. They'll probably survive it, but man that hard-arsed brass-plated vicious little number could give lessons in family destruction.

The hugely popular Diana, Princess of Wales, mother of the heir, couldn't bring them down, in life or in death. Meghan Markle won't either.

Cheers r205 I knew that I had not imagined something along those lines!

The announcement photo. I didn't at first realize she was pregnant. Too busy looking at his bare feet. "Hobbit-like bare-footed husband ..." lmao

I feel sorry for Meg. She doesn't realise that if she continues like this she's going to have an accident in her car.

I'm American and her big announcement on Sunday didn't even trend in the U.S. people just aren't interested. She's a global laughingstock at this point.

Pay no attention to those articles about what Wiiliam or Kate or HM are concerned about or thinking or feeling. They are way too experienced to let on to anyone who would then call up the Mail.

It's all made-up shit that the tabloids, especially the Express, put out there knowing full well the royals can't be bothered denying half a DC dozen stories a day.

R212 Could have fooled me. How did she get that Netflix deal? Oprah is a massive name.

I'd be pleased as Punch to see the ratings disappointing as that jumped up piece of trash parades her sanctimonious faux feminist, faux victim, faux Heroine of the Underdog arse whilst Oprah creams in her XXXL panties on network TV over her.

But my guess is that this will be the apex of everything Meghan has ever dreamt of.

Whatever hate-ratings Orca may get for her family-porn, r214, these two are Done.

R215, their brand is "Fighting With My Family", isn't it? That's all they have- the letter with Thomas Markle, abruptly abandoning the BRF and warring with Will and Kate...

They appeal to people with personality disorders who fight with everyone. Healthy people with respectful relationships will never relate to them. There's too much carnage in their wake. But it's a very millennial look: I'm always right if I live my truth.

R216 Made me smile. For their big NF project they should do a series on how to lose and alienate all of your family, friends and 3 different countries in one year or less.

For Meghan to falsely lay claim to the privilege of "Blackness" is an insult to every true black person ever born.

Yes it is. She only embraced being biracial to stop any criticism. It was vile to falselyaccuse the Country that was so welcoming and generous to her as racist. Just as the lair does on this very website to this day. Hello Spongebob! ( Klan granny troll)

Her blackness saved her.

Could Harry have married a white American, 36 year old, divorced, c-lister with an extremely trashy family?

Nope. No way.

Oreo

Small correction, r220:

Her FAKE 'blackness' saved her.

Prince Philip has been admitted to hospital for "observation."

According some royal reporters, H&M assured the Palace that they will not do anything to embarrass the Queen during their interview.

R223 You know Meghan is flipping her lip thinking...don't croak you old fool.

PHIL WILL HAUNT THEM

[Quote]And Of course Oprah and CBS are playing up the "nothing's off limits" for this interview but that's to boost ratings. We shouldn't assume that Americans are just going to lap Meghan and Harry up

Well, if past history is any indicator, expect the ratings not to live up to the hype. Gayle King had her very own special about Meghan a couple of years ago and IIRC it came in last for its time slot. Granted, no interview was dangled in the run up to it and King doesn't have the same appeal and draw as Oprah. Is this her first interview outside of her OWN channel to be shown on network TV? Curiosity might drive ratings, but is 90 minutes on the same topic "An American Princess" going to work a second time?

And a freaking hour and half? That alone is off-putting. As much as Meghan loves to hear herself talk, does she have more than 30 minutes worth of material to yammer on about? How much filler will they need to pad out all that time? How many clips of the dynamic duo in action doing their former "jobs" among the British and Commonwealth public they rejected? Because in addition to the wedding that's pretty much all there is. I guess they'll have friends like Misha Nonoo (to the American public: who?) telling us how wonderful , misunderstood and hurt Meghan is.

Yeah, I don't think rich victims are what TV audiences want to see nowadays, especially those who just got $250M in business deals by virtue of their name and skimpy credentials during a time when our respective countries are in an economic spin out. Meghan and Harry don't get this, but surely Oprah is more astute...

I bet the special will have lots of “aesthetic” to it.

Spongebob to Orca- "You see?!!!! This is why I had to leave!!! Prince Phillip PURPOSELY did this to ME!!! " IT'S NOT FAIR!!!!! " ( Fake sobbing)

Americans don’t give a flying fuck about these two. The more they open their mouths and whine about their privileged lives while lecturing to us why we should be as fake woke as they are, the more we despise them. No one cares. The Guardian had 2-3 positive stories about pregnancy announcement and Oprah interview yesterday and the day before. Not one of those stories trended in the website’s top 10 most read articles online. This is both the UK and US versions of its website.

If she dares blame the BRF for ANYTHING while they're in Mourning....

" hope Charles pegs out before his Mum, unexpectedly, and the Sussexes are left watching William, the real backbone of the family, "

William has the spine of a Jellyfish.

Cue the leaked stories about her not going to the funeral service because of..........., insert excuse here. But NOT because she isn't wanted, oh hell no! It is HER decision, lmao 😆! We all know she is 🚫.

R198 - Who cares what people in the UK think??? The Oprah interview is for the global, but especially the North American, audience.

Aw I love Phil de Greek

[quote]Kate needs to get pregnant again just to be on the safe side and push Harry and Meghan into furthur irrelevance!

With respect to that idea, I'm told the Queen's new nickname for me is Pez.

Based on the stuff that's come out in the British press, Meghan only met Oprah once and very briefly before her marriage to Harry. It appears Oprah has been actively pursuing Meghan for an interview since H&M's engagement, and since the moved to LA, Meghan has been actively courting Oprah. Oprah doesn't give two shits about them, she cares about ratings and Meghan needs Oprah more than Oprah needs them. While I expect Oprah is not going to be insanely hard hitting (Oprah doesn't interview so much as she asks a question, listens and then gives her opinion and turns the interview back to her).

Oprah totally stalked them.

I can't stand Oprah.

Good for Oprah.

R236 The way Gayle King played this interview up earlier this week, this to me seems like a potential setup for H&M. Oprah wants them to spill tea on the royals not caring for a second what happens to them after.

No, Oprah wants to be friends with them because she wants to schmooze with royalty. When she had Fergie on her show, she kissed Fergie's ass and kept playfully referring to her as "the duchess".

Here's the thing, I actually don't believe it's a "no hold barred" interview. I think that it will be carefully crafted to avoid directly confronting the royal family, while painting Meghan as a 'victim' of the UK's 'racist' press. However, I can't see Oprah not asking about their relationship with the Queen or with William and Kate because it's what people want details on. In total honesty, no one cares about Meghan herself or what she's doing.

"So, your sister in law had more blood relatives at your wedding than you did. How bout that?"

The interview is actually a brand re-launch. Nothing the thirsty pair has done is working so they call upon Oprah to throw them a bone. Except they’re just not interesting aside from the royal angle, and their talking down to people about the environment while they themselves are obvious hypocrites only turn people off.

The BRF has ways of making talentless American sluts disappear into irrelevance.

If Philip dies, I suspect they will cancel the interview. It would be seen as poor taste to go ahead with it, given that they will almost certainly be criticising Harry's family, however obliquely.

R244 Poor taste...from a couple that lamented that no one asked them how the were, while in Africa literally surrounded by starving people. They will still film the interview as scheduled, the air date would just be pulled back.

Megs will be livid if Phil dies, no interview for her and her hapless husband. By the time all the mourning and funeral is over I doubt anyone will want to listen to their whinging, even dumb Harry would know the timing would be tacky.

The Guardian used to be a favorite of mine, I still laud their coverage of environmental issues including dietary choices and impacts on greenhouse gases. But recently it has taken a posh, fake woke approach to progressive coverage of the news. Now they’re wholly in it for the dumbass prince and his famewhore wife. Four articles in the past 3 days and yet none of them even in the top 10 reads on the website.

Also the Guardian’s lame justification for kissing the Sussexes’ ass appears to rest upon their view that the Sussexes’ critics are worse so we should all support the Sussexes.

R247 - You know, right, that the Graun would never have published an article like that if Meghan had been White rather than biracial?

R247 It's pretty obvious, don't you get it? You can critique how a white public figure does their job you're being objective and fair, but if you critique how a person of colour does the same type of job, you're racist.

[quote] Still radio silence on Charles's, Will and Kate's, and the Queen's social media accounts re. the new baby; not a "congratulations" in sight. They must all hate Megs.

GOOD!

Meanwhile the official Royal Family account has been posting pancake recipes on Instagram today.

There won't be any tell-all, but there should be plenty of Finding Freedom-style ridiculousness, with the addition of her being very pregnant so lots more frau stuff.

There'll be a tiny bit of "bad UK" with shots of the tabloids and Meghan poignantly narrating her brave struggle and eventual escape; the rest will be brand messaging.

Finding Freedom: The Movie!

...her eyes will fill with tears, bravely held back.

Ah, remember when

Any good feelings or sympathy I had for Harry completely disappeared when I learned of his abuse of his Polo horse. Harry whipped the horse until it bled. William was beating Harry at the game, hence Harry's anger. William, I believe, had to stop Harry. I have disliked him since then. I despise animal abusers, don't care WTH they are.

The Panorama interview ended Diana's marriage (she didn't want a divorce), got her booted out of the BRF, and cost her her HRH and, to some extent, contributed to the circumstances of her early death.

Meghan Markle isn't in anything like the vulnerable position that the idiotic Diana was when she did the Panorama interview, but that doesn't mean that there aren't real pitfalls. Meghan isn't completely invulnerable, either, and there are risks of overplaying the victim card given what she got out of the BRF, of viciousness that ends up backfiring, and of alienating Harry's family so profoundly that if the door wasn't completely closed by now, making sure it slams even on private relationships.

It's sad for Harry's kids, really, to be cut off, as they inevitably will be (despite Scobie's assurances that Archie and the Queen do regular Zoom calls - interestingly, no mention of Archie having Zoom calls with his ACTUAL grandfather, the Prince of Wales), from the only extended family available to them.

The only question that's interesting about the programme is its timing: just before the end of the alleged "review" period, and the likely announcement, if the leaks are to be believed, that Harry and Meghan are about to lose every last pretence of representing the British monarchy again, i.e., the loss of royal patronages, military appointments, and positions with the Queen's Commonwealth Trust.

Everything but the titles, which HM probably knows it is far too late to take, and which will become increasingly meaningless over time, anyway.

The removal of those last shreds of royal connection was a fait accompli, anyway, and is the timing of the Tell All Meghan's way of getting in front of that story to proclaim how glad they are to be "free" of all those terrible shackles - except the titles, of course, which they will need for a bit longer to keep monetising their former connection.

It won't fool anyone (all right, it will probably fool Americans who don't know the difference is between a royal patronage and personally chosen charity work), but it will put lipstick on the pig.

The only way those titles will be gone is the day Harry acknolwedges that the British hate his wife's guts, UK tabloids will still be going after them if they try to return, they're frozen out of anything but a private relationship with Charles (I doubt Meghan and Kate and Sophie will be having any cosy chats in future), and his and his family's futures are tied to America. Ergo, the sensible thing to do is milk the titles for another year or so, after the second kid is born and gets to be Lady Diana Mountbatten-Windsor for ten minutes, and then file for US citizenship. The titles will then die a natural death.

The longer and more nailed into America Harry becomes, the more absurd and burdensome the titles will become.

But, how delicious would it be if, rather than letting Meghan get in front of the story, the BRF made the announcement of the removal of the other stuff on the day before the programme is to air, so there isn't time to edit?

[quote]the rest will be brand messaging.

But how much of that will Oprah allow? She's shrewd enough not to let another brand be bigger than her own. Oprah's style was always to take on her victim's pain and cry with them.

R247 - I will always love The Guardian no matter what.

$242 - Everything Harry & Meghan have done up to now has worked very well for them.

Harry has gone into self-isolation in case Philip bites the dust. Meghan has not.

R260 Even if she was on good terms with the royals. She's preggers and won't fly.

I'm sure there's no love lost between her and Philip. The BRF must be breathing a sigh of relief that she won't be anywhere near the (eventual) funeral.

Even if Meghan weren't pregnant, I wouldn't find it odd that she isn't going to fly back to see Philip. He's the grandfather of her relatively new husband, and they haven't even lived in the same country for much of the marriage. Of course they're not close.

The fact that this was a "big" news story for a day or so is great news. People are really tired of them. Only 263 comments or so within three days is hilariously low.....

263 within a few days is a lot for the DL lately, r264.

These two will look terrible if they say anything against the BRF while Philip is on Deathwatch or worse, by the time of airing, dead.

R263 Au contraire, it’s would be very bizarre if a normal person didn’t accompany their spouse to the funeral of a beloved, iconic grandfather, especially when they would have every creature comfort available to them. Pregnant women fly all the time, including this cunt for a babymoon when pregnant with that potato kid. But we’re talking about Markle here, she’s a family destroyer to her core.

[QUOTE] Charles would be left in the awkward position of issuing Letters Patent depriving his grandchildren of their rightful status as grandchildren of the Sovereign in the male lines.

It’s a crying shame that neither the Queen nor Charles have any balls, unlike their Scandinavian cousins King Carl Gustaf (Sweden) and Harald (Norway).

Carl Gustaf recently removed five young grandchildren from the royal house, taking away their HRH and any hope to represent the monarchy. Only his heir, Crown Princess Victoria’s children remain royal. It was framed as a “slimmed down monarchy” and “giving freedom to the kids” sort of deal, but it was a steely move nonetheless.

Harald removed his daughter Martha Louise’s HRH almost 20 years ago, when she started doing loopy, New Age shit and opened a school to talk to angels. She’s nuttier than squirrel shit and her father recognized that and did what he needed to do. She’s now shacked up with a “shaman to the stars” from Sacramento but she ain’t getting a dime from the Norwegian taxpayer or Daddy.

R268 damn she IS batshit. And her ex husband killed himself Christmas 2019

I was very glad to read that Prince Philip will be alright , if reports of a treatable UTI are accurate. I like him and it would very sad if he did not make it to 100, with the milestone only four months away.

Overlooked te the timimg: 8 March is Commonwealth Day. You remember that lady year? When Kate and Sophie and William totally froze put Meghan at the Commonwealth service on the Abbey on nationwide television? After Linked Not Ranked threw a fit at finding out she wasn't going to walk in the procession but only shown to her seat?

I don't think a big CD service is in the works this year, but the timing of this interview is a great big reminder: Look where I am one year later, bitches! We pulled ot off! What Abbey? What Commonwealth? I got Oprah and Montecito and Netflix? Whadda you got?

Also seemingly overlooked from the Perfume Ad pregnancy photo: was I hallucinating, or was Meghan's hair in . . . Cornrows!?

Now THAT would be newsworthy, but it was hard to tell from the photo.

It shows just how much they lack any self reflection. They embarrassed themselves badly that day. I would want to mentally block that self humiliation out of my damn mind. But the narcs never forget what they bizarrely and incorrectly felt was a slight. They truly do seem to have never grown or evolved beyond adolescent. This is why they fail at everything and will continue to do so. She will never be allowed back into TRF. Bridge well and truly burned to ashes. They will continue to self destruct.

Both the Critics Choice awards and the NBA All-Star game are on March 7th at the same time as the interview. Everyone knows already most of the interview is Meghan only. Good luck with that Meghan! Hehe....

The Queen has this morning stripped H&M of their royal patronages, which will be distributed amongst the working royals. No doubt there will be major whining about this, from Harry especially. It's weird though - although the patrons role doesn't involve what most people would call work, they are expected to turn up for events, fund-raisers, ceremonies, anniversaries and whatever pretty frequency through the year. I can't see how they imagined they would keep them once no longer resident in the UK.

I always have to laugh when people outside the U.S. think we are going to be "fooled" by Harry and Meghan. Its like these people forget WE INVENTED HOLLYWOOD ffs. Its the British who were fooled by her. We knew what she was from day one.

I saw this on the Today show. Hoda must be a DLer; she asked the royal expert reporting on the story if H&M's remarks that "we all can live a life of service" was a dig at the queen, because it sure sounded like one. HAHAHAHA this is getting good.

It IS getting good! "We can all live a life of service" - pure Meghanspeak. Have to admire her balls, sticking it to the Queen of England lol.

[quote]It’s a crying shame that neither the Queen nor Charles have any balls

Watch that change. With today's announcement, it gets easier and easier to take the final steps. Out of sight, out of mind, plus a good dose of the ruthless Windsor knack for expedience. When the portcullis finally comes down it does it like a guillotine.

[quote]These two will look terrible if they say anything against the BRF while Philip is on Deathwatch or worse, by the time of airing, dead.

They just did with we can all live a life of service. Anyway, if it's in the can, at this point, it is probably out of their hands unless he is actually dead. But face it, Orca wants her prize from the taxidermist, Megalomaniac couldn't care less and Harry does as he's told. Poor Diana, that accident took her life and Harry's balls.

The Harkles have told the Queen they will never be working royals. Wouldn't that be the other way around?

Harry loses his honorary military titles as well. Stick it to them, Queenie.

If I were her, I would take away all of their titles as well.

Stop 🛑 the game now. Let’s go to a Penalty Kick Shootout

It does seem Harry was lobbying to keep his military ones at least. Ironically they are the ones that theoretically need the most involvement in activities, if not necessarily big public events.

I have to say, I never thought Harry would go for this sort of move. I bought into the image of him as a down-to-earth lad with a sense of duty, someone who would scoff at Kardashian celebrity culture and New Age stuff.

I would add, I imagine the two were especially stung by the sentence in the statement: " it is not possible to continue with the responsibilities and duties that come with a life of public service." Hence the quick pissy retort.

That clap-back retort has made them look so petty - and so angry.

^ and the descent begins. They are officially nothing but celebrities now - petulant celebrities. Doesn't bode well.

Like the pillow says, it's good to be Queen.

They should give up their titles. There are others members of the BRF who don’t do shit and have titles, but they should pursue a full break from the royal life and not try to have their cake and eat it too.

[quote] we can all live a life of service

What Meghan wanted to say is, "Anyone can live a life of service."

Meghan should have studied the game of Chess. The Queen can move in any direction.👑 Meghan and charity ,FGS. The only thing they know how to do with charity is to scam people. Worthless twits. Also, I believe I stand a better chance of being invited to a royal gathering than she does.

H&M's response totally sounds petty at this point...that stupid line about service is universal....go fuck yourselves LOL.

[quote] "Anyone can live a life of service."

Service is for the little people.

They did it R257! The problem for tbe Sussexes is that ITV leaked the CBS interview news, so the Queen said, fuck it bye right now bitches.

[quote]H&M's response totally sounds petty at this point...that stupid line about service is universal....go fuck yourselves LOL.

I agree. As I said on another post, it's obvious the Queen was talking about a life dedicated to being a public servant (like here in the US, our President, congresspeople, Governors, mayors, etc are considered to be in public service). H&M wanted life as private citizens and that's their choice. They took the Queen's words and twisted them making themselves look both foolish and childish.

The Queen is no idiot. She's seen this all before. Royals who leave the firm typically end up unravelling and going in a downward spiral. We forget it now, but in the months leading up to Diana's death, her public favourably was beginning to fall. People was seeing her increasingly as directionless, opportunistic and being foolish. Fergie probably best demonstrates what happens when an unpopular royal (as Harry already is) tries to milk their royal title for money. It ends badly. That's what will happen to H&M. Even in America, H&M have been coming very polarizing figures and the Trumpists and Repugs hate them so........

That Harry thought he would ever keep those military patronages shows how entitled and out of touch he is. He lives 8,000 miles away. How many events could he go to in the UK? How much of a spotlight could he turn on the organizations? Having his name on some paperwork doesn't cut it--you have to actually show up.

Harry and Meghan don't seem to understand what public service actually is.

Paywalled: what does it say R296?

[quote]in the months leading up to Diana's death, her public favourably was beginning to fall. People was seeing her increasingly as directionless, opportunistic and being foolish.

Agreed. I remember being really annoyed with Diana in the last two weeks of her life in particular, when she and Fayed were frantically running around Europe here and there and I felt like she was embarrassing herself. She needed a plan and she couldn't formulate one. The thing with Diana, though, was she had far more runway to turn it around again. She always could. She had time yet because, fundamentally, underneath, there was a person to whom many, mean people responded. Harry is warm but he doesn't have that kind of magic. And her...

R297... it is matter of factly damning:

Confirmation that Harry and Meghan will not be returning as working members of the Royal Family will have come as a shock to no one who has followed events since they dropped their "Megxit" bombshell on Jan 8, 2020.

Back then, the couple announced that they wanted to "carve out a progressive new role within this institution" to become "financially independent" while continuing to support the Queen.

They were to balance their time between the UK and "North America" in a bid to honour their commitment to "the Queen, the Commonwealth and our patronages".

Yet within seconds of the unprecedented post appearing on Instagram, anyone with even the most elementary understanding of the way the monarchy has functioned for the past 1,000 years knew that Harry and Meghan were never going to be able to have their cake and eat it.

This was pointed out clearly to the Sussexes at the Sandringham summit, where the Queen – supported by the Prince of Wales and the Duke of Cambridge – told Harry in no uncertain terms (Meghan had already left the UK by that point) that they were either in or out. They couldn't be in between.

Leaving the door ajar for a return to royal duties should their grand plan fail, the Queen agreed to a 12-month review period as a safety net. For it was never going to be possible for them to have the best of both worlds.

As Friday's Buckingham Palace statement succinctly put it: "In stepping away from the work of the Royal Family, it is not possible to continue with the responsibilities and duties that come with a life of public service."

Part of the problem is that the Sussexes do not seem to understand what public service actually is. As a California-born former actress, Meghan can arguably be forgiven for this – but it somewhat beggars belief that Harry, a blood-born prince who grew up in the Firm, agreed to respond to the statement with the line: "We can all live a life of service. Service is universal."

Not only is it deeply disrespectful to engage in this sort of last word freakery with the Queen, but I also do not think the 94-year-old monarch, who has devoted her whole life to duty, needs to be lectured on service by anyone, not least when her 99-year-old husband remains in hospital.

Of course all royal engagements are self-promotional to a certain extent, but there is a big difference between acts that serve others and self-serving acts.

In recent months, as the world has tried to get to grips with the coronavirus pandemic, there has been a growing sense that while the Royals have attempted to point the spotlight at the work of others, the Sussexes have increasingly tried to shine it on themselves.

The royals have tried to hold a national conversation – exemplified by the Queen's "We'll Meet Again" speech – while, over in their £11 million Santa Barbara mansion, Harry and Meghan appear to have largely been in conversation with themselves.

As with their desire for a have cake and eat it royal role, they have insisted upon having both unprecedented privacy and maximum publicity. And while they have endlessly carped about the media, the Windsors have continued to keep calm and carry on.

So while it is undoubtedly highly commendable that Harry and Meghan want to continue with their charity work, philanthropy is not, and never has been, the same as public service. Similarly, it should be remembered that Archewell, their fundraising arm, is a non-profit organisation and not a charity like, for instance, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge's Royal Foundation or Prince Charles' Prince's Trust. This is an important distinction that few have made, since charities are subject to far more stringent rules on how money is spent than non-profits.

The other elephant that has remained in the room since the couple left for the US is the role that money appears to have played in their decision-making.

They are perfectly entitled, as they have done, to seek financial independence – and it has already proved a highly successful strategy, with megabucks deals with the likes of Netflix, Spotify and now, presumably, Oprah, in the bag. But why have they spent the last 12 months desperately trying to disguise the fact they have swapped duty for dollars? Last year, they made a big point about keeping up their Commonwealth ties by spending some time in Canada. Yet anyone with any knowledge of how the Duchess continued to keep on her retinue of US advisers – even after she married Harry in May 2018 – knew that when the couple said "North America" what they actually

meant was Los Angeles, the city of dreams. Vancouver Island was only ever a convenient staging post.

Yes, there might have been too much press intrusion, and the scrutiny must have sometimes been too much to bear. But they had the perfect platform for all their aims and ambitions.  If there is any silver lining to the dark cloud that has been hanging over the monarchy since "Megxit", it is that the royals can now focus solely on their familial relationship with Harry and Meghan rather than their business dealings.

There is a genuine sense of sadness on both sides and among the public that it has come to this. We will all fondly remember talk of the "Fab Four" heralding the dawn of a new era for the House of Windsor. But it was not to be.

They may no longer be working royals, but as HM put it with uncharacteristically emotional candour on Friday: "The Duke and Duchess remain much loved members of the family."  As Harry and Meghan prepare to welcome a new baby into the fold, let us all hope that family proves to be the tie that binds.

I'm not really all that invested in the Harry and Meghan BS, but I'm shocked at the number of people who believe Meghan is some kind of victim. I only have a passing familiarity with her biography and even I know she has an established history of using people and then dumping then when they are no longer advantageous to her. She used her father, she has used her mother (though hasn't dropped her), she used her first husband, she used that Chef she was engaged to (even stole his recipes for her blog and pretended they were her own) and now she's using Harry. They'll divorce at some point when he brand doesn't need his quasi-royal status.

Thanks for posting the Telegraph piece: it makes grim reading; "duty for dollars" etc.

R302- Of course she will. This is what she does, but not until she has drained every drop of blood from her victims. Truly an evil bitch.

Harry is an accomplice, not a victim. She may be in the driver's seat, but he's riding shotgun telling her to go faster

The Queen reportedly told Harry: "you work for the Monarchy, the Monarchy doesn't work for you".

I wish I could have seen his face turn red.

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So, what about the patronage of the National Theatre?

It seems the Queen was patron of the National Theatre for 45 years before she offloaded in Meghan, a D-list TV actress FFS. Why not have given it to Edward who really does seem to be interested in the theater?

R308 - that was a Royal patronage so it's gone. Meghan can keep the Mayhew and the SmartWorks because she got them herself. Harry still has his own charities like Invictus and Sentebale but the military titles, Commonwealth roles and Rugby patronage are gone.

You do all realize that Meghan has that wonky-Andy-Cohen-eye thang, right? Let's hope he doesn't interview her next or the magnetic poles may switch again and whole communities could be wiped out.

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Brutal:

"Harry’s military life has always been the best of him; it defined him as a young man and gave him purpose and discipline at a time when he seemed lost and in danger of spiralling out of control.

‘Don’t cock it up,’ Prince Philip told Harry on the day he passed on the honorary command of the Marines back in 2017, after holding the title himself for 64 blameless years. They are surely words that now gnaw at Harry’s soul as his 99-year-old grandfather lies ill in a hospital thousands of miles away and the royal life that once bound them together through the twin strands of heritage and duty has turned to dust."

She persecutes her father. He persecutes his extremely elderly grandparents. Harkles are a disgrace.

R314 Crocodile tears for Papa Markle. He has 6 adult grandchildren and isn't close to any of them. Sounds like a family tradition.

[quote] Service is for the little people.

Non-profits are more our style.

So Archewell is not a charity?

What does Archewell 'do' anyway?

The Guardian with yet another pro-Dimwit and Thirsty article Yet its readers aren’t interested even though these articles keep coming this past week.

My, my. The knives are out for the gruesome twosome now that the Queen has said bye-bye. One unflattering article after the other, heehee. They so have this coming after how horrible they have treated others. Let the fun begin!

R317 Do you remember that episode of I Love Lucy where Lucy and Ethel are trying to raise money to go to Europe with their husbands, so they execute a phony raffle to benefit the “Ladies Overseas Aid,” which aims to “reunite two sweet little ladies with their long lost family in Europe?”

That’s what Archewell is. Help two deserving people take an, um, “educational” trip to the rainforest (ie an all expense paid trip to Bali)! Help a deserving couple afford transportation to work (cough, Lamborghini, cough)! Help clothe a needy woman as she steps into the workforce (Givenchy, here I come)! The New Year’s Eve party that will be thrown at Chateau Dumbarton with Mrs. Harkle in a $100K custom Dior gown? Why, that’s a charity networking event...tax deductible!

Get it now?

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Wow. Reading the comments on these stories and they are brutal. People in the UK are very angery about the titles not being taken away and who can blame them? Everyone is disgusted by the disrespectful way their are treating the Queen. It was so ungrateful and ugly. They are done. A good many comments are from Americans, who hate them too. They are really toxic . They are over, but I am sure they do not realize that.

Jan Moir and all these Klan Granny royal correspondents are bitter as fuck because Meghan and Harry told them all to fuck off years ago when they refused to participate in the royal rota.

[quote] So Archewell is not a charity?

No it's a non-profit, we are told. That means that after perks and emoluments have been paid to those in charge, there will be no profit for members. So Archewell could take $10m and pay $10m to Harkles in salary (deductible) and still break even, oh joy.

'Wow. Reading the comments on these stories and they are brutal. People in the UK are very angery about the titles not being taken away and who can blame them?'

'Angery'!!! People in the DM comments are just like you - racist and illiterate.

[quote]That Harry thought he would ever keep those military patronages shows how entitled and out of touch he is. He lives 8,000 miles away. How many events could he go to in the UK?

Answer: hardly any. None. Of course he is out of touch. Actually, he's fully in-the-know, having been born in the BRF and knowing all its inner workings. He's known since he decided to depart the UK that he couldn't keep the patronages and honorary military appointments, he knew full on they would have to do. He knows now; he's only milking all of this for attention and misdirected pity.

At his elderly grandmother's expense. After all the privilege he's been afforded, for all of his life.

The patronages come with some money. So do the military roles. Not a huge amount, but there are also the tax breaks. Maybe Harry genuinely felt badly about feeling humiliated, but I have a feeling that the money angle may have informed Meghan's rage at being booted from these jobs - ones that she otherwise showed a minimal interest in performing.

So the National Theatre paid Meagain?

The patronages don't come with money, there is no direct salary attached to them. Same with the military roles. It was the job of being a full-time, working senior member of the BRF that "paid" in many perks and a very wealthy lifestyle. That job included working with selected charities and representing the military in honorary roles.

The only "money angle" involved for Meghan was the continued ties to the BRF and the perceived "royal role" and hence rank she aspired to keep and therefore make bank from. It was a prestige angle, which would then lead to more earnings and fame.

Not salaries - they're not paid - they're compensated, expensed and tax-deductable as well as coming with various travel and security perks etc.

They're not compensated in any typical sense. Official royal patronages do not pay the BRF for their representation or their work, either directly or indirectly.

BRF members get travel and security perks paid out of the royal purse (Sovereign Grant) simply by virtue of being working royals, and not per event. These aren't paid by the organizations who are on the receiving end of the royal largesse.

Yes but up until today, they were "working royals". Now they're not.

So whatever perks and money they were getting, they're not getting anymore.

And we know how much Meghan loves money and perks.

R325, You tiresome cunt. It was a typo, idiot. The only racist here is you and your tired screeching, " RACIST, EVERYONE WHO THINKS A REPULSIVE CUNT IS DISGUSTING IS A RACIST!!! " The only reason you repeatedly and tiresomely post the same accusation is because that is the only lie she has to hide behind. She is a loathsome bitch and so are her paid PR . Her " stans" are paid PR and paid for bots. No one likes the bitch and the only ppl who pretend to are paid to. They are circling the drain. The pos will be flushed soon.

So if they retain their HRHs but cannot use them, do they receive taxpayer-funded security?

My guess is they are counting on MM dumping Harry and him coming slinking back to the UK.

A couple of self-absorbed, insufferable cunts stuck with each other day in/out. I'd say go to Hell, the both of them, but they're already there.

r334 I read repeatedly over the course of this whole saga that the main tangible advantage of the HRH is taxpayer funded security, but none of the articles on this recent dust-up have mentioned that particular angle on things.

R336 Their security is paid for privately by Charles. They don't receive any money from the taxpayer/Sovereign Grant as they're not 'working royals'. Beatrice and Eugenie are HRHs but don't receive any SG funding.

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These two bitches

«The Daily Star newspaper had it dead right this week with the headline: "Publicity-shy woman tells 7.87 billon people I'm pregnant." Then the following day: "Publicity shy couple tell all to Oprah."»

The Oprah interview is already done.

For what it's worth...

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It might not air now as it appears Philip is at death's door.

R256 is there a link to the story? If true then he’s definitely psychotic in addition to dumb.

Oh, it will air. Nothing is gonna get in the way of that. For CBS to delay would be an admission there's something inappropriate about it. Besides, they didn't interview those two for the benefit of history. It will air and however bad they would have looked, they'll look twice as bad.

Every time those two cook up another stunt, it blows up in their face. For two so set on the universe they sure can't figure out what it's trying to tell them.

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Oh FFS r347. When was her voice ever silenced, by the BRF or anybody? She never shuts up, she lives to hear herself talk.

Always has to have the last word, no matter who she's dealing with . Every utterance a pearl of wisdom to her own ears.

R348- Her voice was never silenced, that is her damn problem right there. She never stfu. People are sick of them and their hypocrisy and pathological need to always be victims. She has a martyr complex. Bitch will be hanging from a cross soon.

I would argue that she was absolutely silenced- as well she should have been. She was not "Meghan Markle" any longer, but the Duchess of Sussex, and her role required a calm, quiet countenance and impartiality- which she cannot muster. She is too narcissistic for the role she signed on for. She is not a team player, she is a bad hire.

[quote] she is a bad hire.

brutal

It may be brutal, but it is true. She is only about optics. Go to a function and get her pap shots. Just as she did at Prince Charles garden party on his birthday. Harry and Meghan were asked to leave.

[quote] Harry and Meghan were asked to leave.

Link please R352,

It is brutal but true. I've posted many times that marrying into the senior echelon of the BRF is very much like joining a family business, albeit one very influential, famous and powerful. It requires certain behaviors and sacrifices, which one agrees to -before- signing on. Those would include: giving up personal social media accounts inc Twitter, Instagram and the like. Also any blogs or other public outlets espousing social or political opinions or touting business interests.

Gained in return: massive wealth and privilege, perks, and a huge public profile.

It's fine that H&M found it didn't suit them and that they wanted to go their own way. That's never been the problem. It's the slick distortion and inaccuracy that gives pause, the notion that Meghan's voice was "silenced" or "taken away" from her forcefully and without warning. It's what you SIGNED UP for dear, with full knowledge. They both can't stop the constant fabrications.

[quote] I've posted many times

Yes, you have R354

So according to ITV, the INterview with Oprah was recorded over two days this week past week (while Prince Philip was in hospital). Meghan is going to claim that this interview was the only way to her voice back. She will allegedly say that when she got engaged to Harry she was told to delete her social media and blog, and not express her opinion on subjects (which is what all the royals have to do because they have to be apolitical), and she felt that her voice was taken away.

If she didn't like having to delete her social media, she should have told Haze right there and then, "Look hun, but no." It would have saved the millions of pounds spent on her wedding dress etc

R356 Yeah if she actually says that she's even more transparent and stupid than I thought.

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This was the incident where William had to step in:

This thing about Meghan wanting a voice reminds me of a line from The Crown when Charles says to his mother :"I have a voice" and she says, "no one wants to hear it." That sums up bring royal.

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She lost her voice, ie, she wasn't able to Instagram yoga pics and blog about fun cocktails and Ivanka Trump. If that's her angle, the Oprah interview will be fun.

I wonder whether Oprah will go for ratings and journalism accolades and ask hard questions à la Diane Sawyer and Whitney, or whether she'll softball it and give her a 90-minute infomercial, because she sees Meghan as our black princess done wrong.

Thanks, R362. I didn’t see anything about William in the article so I thought you must have been referring to two separate stories. I guess William has had to step in as the responsible elder brother on more than one occasion.

R364- You are right. William wasn't involved as I had thought. But what a mean, childish POS Harry is.

Archewell sounds like it could be the new Livestrong foundation. Lance Armstrong milked in a way similar to what r320 describes.

The Maul saying today Orca spent two hours interviewing them. Dreadful for them. The longer you go, the more tired you get, the greater the likelihood you say something you wish you hadn't. I bet there's more anxiety about this interview in Classlessito than there is at Buckingham Palace.

Historian and biographer Hugo Vickers wrote a pot stirring opinion that for the good of all Harry should formally renounce his place in the line of succession for himself and his descendants saying "Then there is the prospect of Queen Meghan, which no one wants. The idea that she could end up representing our country is impossible. It simply cannot be."

It just sticking the boot in but it's amusing. Harry's place in succession is unlikely to propel those two to the throne. It would be the end of it now anyway, after all this.

Archewell is a LLC disguised as a non-profit, it’s why it’s not a 501c3 organization. A 501c3 organization like the Clinton Foundation is subject to more regulatory scrutiny and its expenditures have to be made public.

In Harry’s conversation with fake Greta Thunberg (he was phone-pranked) last year, he admitted that he and Meghan were abandoning work on starting a charitable foundation. He mentioned specifically that there was a lot of money involved in the charity circuit. Implication being that money was a central consideration to how they were going about running their own entity.

Why the need to establish Archewell? For starters it allows Harry and Meghan to spend/ dole out other people’s donations at their own discretion while publicly presenting themselves as philanthropists. Difference however is that philanthropists like Bill Gates spend their own money while raising consciousness about important issues. Humanitarian OTOH is someone who does day-to-day work at the ground level, including actual grunt work to administrative chores. People like healthcare providers who run clinics in underserved parts of Africa. These are types of people who view publicity through the lens of their charity work, not the other way around like Harry and Meghan. They view charity work through the lens of publicity. That is the big difference and why Archewell is on murky, shady grounds.

Aren't their rumors that their charity is under investigation?

Meghan and Harry wanted to be half-in/half-out because they know their long-term relevance rests with having active ties to the royal family. They've burned too many bridges in the UK to ever make a viable comeback there, so they are going full out with America. While they might have some short term success there, it won't last. America is already polarized (the Trumpist hate them) and even Biden and the Democrats kept away even though H&M wanted to help them defeat Trump.

Who the hell would listen to them anyway? Anything they say is contradicted by their behaviour.

Kindness? Look how they treat their vulnerable elderly family members.

Global warming? Four private jets in 2 weeks.

Black pride? What about doing everything you can to obliterate your black heritage, in terms of how others perceive you?

Conscious consumerism - what about your house with 16 bathrooms?

Desire for privacy - shall we discuss the staged photographs?

Sensitivity to others? Whining about how miserable your life is in the British Royal Family in one of the poorest nations on earth.

Really, if I were seated near them on a plane, it would be all I could do not to sneer at them directly.

r355, I've posted here in this thread less than 10 times. You on other hand, have posted more than 40.

From the Mail:

[quote]CBS has described the interview as an 'intimate conversation' including 'a wide-ranging interview' with Meghan, about 'everything from stepping into life as a Royal, marriage, motherhood, philanthropic work to how she is handling life under intense public pressure'.

What "intense public pressure" is she under anymore? She's been living behind 10 foot walls on her Montecito estate, doing a couple of Zoom appearances a month and a very occasional foray outside. I get she had serious scrutiny while still in the UK and working as a senior royal, but she and Harry left well over a year ago.

How long is she going to milk her brief time in the BRF? where half of that time was spent on maternity leave. It's almost old news, given the short attention span of the public these days I can't see it making waves or getting big ratings. They need to have something new on the horizon to discuss and flog, otherwise what's their point?

R373 She is going to milk her connection to the BRF for as long as she can for every penny she can....that was the whole point.

[quote] philanthropic work

Was that the elephant voiceover?

R375- Speaking of Disney, where did the money she was paid go? Remember that she claimed it would go to charity? Poof! No trace of it.

If anything, the BRF GAVE her a voice. Yes, she was a working actor and had a blog with a decent following. Did she even have as many followers as Susan Sarandon's Daughter? She has an infinitely larger audience as an ex-duchess than she ever had pre-Harry

[quote] [R1]- The Sussexes are not receiving any subsidies or funds from the UK Tax Payers.

Not directly anymore, no. But Charles is still giving them much of their money (even if the Palace pretends otherwise), and his money all comes from the Duchy of Cornwall--so in effect they ARE getting money from UK taxpayers.

R377- Ouch! Brutal. 😆

I'm one of the stupid ones. I thought Meghan and Harry were going to help to shape and modernize the monarchy. I, like many others, was happy to see Harry settle down. Where things shifted for me was the turning the documentary of their trip to Africa into a pity party. I mean how do you think people would respond where you're literally in a third world country, surrounded by starving children saying "no one has asked me how I'm doing?"

And now somehow they think that a 90 minute documentary from the comfort of their LA mansion during a pandemic where thousands of people have died, and many more lost their livelihood, all while Harry's 99 year old grandfather is dying in hospital, is going to help with their image?

The Toronto Star is taking some subtle swipes as Meghan here (she lived in Toronto for years) basically asking Harry why are you the one having to make all the sacrifices?

"Harry and Meghan's Oprah interview to be re-edited as rift widens with Royal Family A source told the Mirror: “When the Duke and Duchess spoke, it was never envisaged they would have their patronages taken away. “They didn’t see it coming and spoke as they still had roles to play. “Now, however, other than their titles, they are to have no role in royal life - a point producers know was not discussed when Winfrey spoke to them."

R382 They were shocked that their patronages taken away? Despite the fact the Queen told them that's exactly would happen after the 12 month review if they decided not to return.

They appear to be delusional.

[quote] “Now, however, other than their titles, they are to have no role in royal life - a point producers know was not discussed when Winfrey spoke to them."

They seem to have tried to mislead Oprah. Bad move.

Well Smugs, you have no one to fall back on, do you? You threw everything and everyone away. You are finished here and in the royal family. Canada doesn't want you back, ever. Kate is now the most popular royal, surpassingly even the Queen. I guess karma is an even bigger cunt than you are.

Apparently they filmed the interview before they were stripped of their titles. It is being edited, but will it also be re-done?

It may not if Prince Philip dies, idk. She really has angered Oprah Winfrey, the employees who have to re-edit, ect. She has really messed up this time and no one will ever work will her again. This will cost $$$$$. A major sin there.

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Actually, they knew the sex of the first baby, as well, although they put it about that they didn't at first. As a geriatric mother, Meghan had to have amniocentesis, which gives you the baby's sex. However, she was caught in the lie that they didn't care and didn't ask, when one of her exchanges with Enninful at VOGUE as she, er, "suggested" that she edit the September issue, was printed and said, "By the time this is published my husband and I will have our baby son in our arms . . ."

Yet another lie exposed.

Of course they know the baby's sex: she probably selected it via IVF. They still need to milk the Diana card.

Lots of time between now and the big interview. Anything could happen.

So on the same evening the Queen is going to make a special Commonwealth broadcast on a programme that will include most of the other senior royals, including William and Kate.

It is scheduled I think to air some hours before the Meghan Show, but I'm not sure what that means in terms of the transatlantic time difference.

No matter what Meghan says or doesn't say in the interview, the not too subliminal message is going to be that Meghan wants to talk about herself for 90 minutes. Can you imagine the Queen, or William or Kate, or Charles, wanting to talk about themselves on nationwide television for 90 minutes?

That's the real point here: Meghan has an insatiable need to be the focus of attention. Meghan keeps whingeing about her "voice", but the fact is, it's a boring, empty voice, and without her entry, however brief, into the British royal family, she'd be howling into the wilderness. Everything she tried before marrying up failed to get her a global "voice". And now that she's got one, thanks to the Windsors, all she can do is talk about herself and what she believes and what she feels and how horribly she's been victimised . . . when, in fact, she's had quite a nice life given her utter lack of talent, and has ended up rich and comfortable for the rest of her life.

Watch - the way she'll talk about the 78 days' worth of "work" she did as a royal and make it sound like she was held in the dungeons of the Bastille for all that time, instead of surrounded by staff, living in a beautiful home a half mile from Windsor Castle, dressed in millions of dollars worth of designer clothes, and getting bouquets of flowers and curtsies for showing up for an hour at a care home or a school, and then climbing back into her chauffeur-driven limo back to her five-bedroom home, her servants, her nanny, her gardener, her chef, and artwork from the Queen's collection on the walls.

R392 - well, to be honest, both Charles and Diana talked about themselves in interviews but neither came out looking rosy.

R393 Yup Charles' interview where he admitted adultery basically turned the tide of public opinion against him and allowed Diana to fully embrace the "victim" narrative despite the fact that she too had been unfaithful with some evidence she cheated on Charles before he returned to Camilla. Diana's interview ultimately triggered a divorce that she didn't want, and sent her adrift. Before she died, public opinion was starting to turn against her. Andrew destroyed himself with his interview (and rightfully so). Fergie attempted to milk her royal titles for everything she could get and that didn't turn out well for her.

I think it's easy to peg Harry as being under Meghan's control (which I do believe that's part of it) but Harry falls into the category of spoiled spare who cannot accept their increasing irrelevance. Andrew is an example of this. He is highly self-important and feels the institution should have worked for him and not him for it. We know that even before Meghan entered the picture, Harry was oddly competitive with William and jealous of his position, his wife and his family. Charles and the Queen overcompensated by being too accommodating of Harry and frankly too distant too. In many ways, William was the only stabilizing force in his life. I think after George was born that was the beginning Harry's entitlement as he tried to compensate for his eventual irrelevancy in the royal pecking order. Meghan to a degree, I think, played upon this to get what she wanted. But it will not end well for Harry for sure, Meghan too probably. Meghan wants to create a liberal agenda in America at time when the country is virtually at in a civil war of left and right. It will not end well for either of them. They will increasingly become irrelevant the more the royal family shuns them.

The sad thing is William can't talk to Harry about this, can't hash it out brother to brother, because he can't risk Harry and Meghan using it as fodder for their gossip mill. It's a terrible situation for the family and it's so common with narcissists.

Oh, the Harkles are talking again. Morticia is wearing a designer dress that looks way too young for her.

If they have angered Oprah then the fat lady has sung.

Yup. R397. Oprah has friends in high places, places Meghan is desperate to be a part of. Not now. Miss Oprah reportedly had to turn her private jet right back around and end her trip to Hawaii to deal with Markle's mess. Oh, dear indeed. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, she does it everytime.

So, excuse me, but Oprah is mad (supposedly) because why?

Did Sparkle and Dim tell her they were hanging onto the patronages that the Queen had given them and that the ink was already dry on the agreement?

Was Oprah markled?

Perhaps the big O should remember the story about the frog and the scorpion. Perhaps O didn't realize that she was the frog?

It's not as if Sparkle hadn't already revealed her true self time after time.

The Harkles sold Oprah a bill of goods about to expire. Then they expired very publicly while Orca was navigating the Pacific.

Maybe Oprah mistakenly believed they would not deceive her? IDK why anyone would work with them . They are treacherous, litigious, unlikable.

Watch as the lawsuits begin in CA over this. Meg will find the judges there much less compliant.

Well r381, we’d love to read it but it’s behind a subscriber paywall. Can you copy and paste?

[Miss Oprah reportedly had to turn her private jet right back around and end her trip to Hawaii to deal with Markle's mess.]

Don’t you hate when that happens?

Don't they have phones on her jet? Or d'ya suppose the crisis was just too big to be dealt with by phone? Did Meghz have to visit Chateau Oprah to explain in person, bearing more organic tea bags?

R405, lol, I would have thought she was jetting off to gtf away from them, but that is just me.

The comment above re: Lance Armstrong and Livestrong. This made me think that H&M should have called their grift organization Thrive, but then I remembered that was that pyramid scheme lifestyle brand that Shannan Watts was shilling and it didn't work out so great for her!

Christ, of all the people to love to, Oprah.

That's classic Meghan, insisting that if she just keeps saying something is true, it will be.

They have known all aling that the Queen would not allow them a half in, half out role, and to cherry pick the plums, monetise them, and jaunt back to CA while the other royals did the heavy lifting.

They weren't "negotiating" anything but a joint statement over the last month, so they've know all this time. They delayed hoping to keep it under wraps till AFTER the interview bomb drooped.

Only the Queen got tired of the delays and when ITV leaked news of the interview, the Queen paid the two lying, duplicitous fucks for the way they blindsided her last year and for the way they were clearly trying to fuck her over again.

I hope this gave Oprah a clue as to who Meghan Markle really is.

^* lie to, not love to

If Oprah takes exception to the lying, Meghan is ovah.

I couldn't be more bored with their petulance and self aggrandizement. Wake me up when they do something genuine and altruistic.

I'm confused about the "lying to Oprah" part--that's conjecture, right? And even if something had to be changed, why would Oprah have to fly back to California? She's filmed her bit, the minions do the editing, and she can do any necessary input via video conference.

Prior to the interview and during the interview they lead Oprah to believe they retained their patronages and honorary military titles, that they were having their cake and eating it. That fallacy was exposed shortly after the interview by them being stripped of such in accordance with the plan of which they were very well aware prior to and during the interview.

Perhaps they figured if, in the interview, they referred to keeping the patronages as a fait accompli, it would be; therefore putting the palace on defense. "Speak it into existence." Hence the Queen's quick move.

The early leaking of their Oprah interview spurred the Queen to act quickly. If she didn't, the delusional Harkles could have played the victim card and cried: "you see how mean they are to us. They took away our patronages and military titles without telling us".

It's reminiscent of when the Queen told Diana and Charles, "Ok, that's it. Time to divorce."

I think the interview will be 50% infomercial and 50% airing of grievances. The optics will be galling, with a couple of 40-year-olds portraying themselves as victims fleeing from persecution and deprivation. Their definition of thriving includes all the trappings of the BRF at their disposal, but without any constraints which would impede on their wish to seek fame and personal enrichment directly based off of royal status.

Just as Chrissy Tiegen got ripped recently for her clueless texts on extravagant clothing and wine, as if those things were normal when they are out of reach for 99% of Americans, the Sussexes better be careful about bad optics backfiring on their brand. As yet they don’t have a brand that’s not associated with the BRF and subsequent rebuke of the BRF. They’ve got nothing interesting to say or show other than relying on their PR team to publicize any and all charity work. It’s tacky and attention-seeking and I think most people don’t view it kindly. They’re not Bill Gates nor Angelina Jolie. You don’t see or hear AJ on social media promoting herself as a great humanitarian. She does big interviews when promoting UN work or film projects. It’s called using the media wisely and it’s what A-listers like George Clooney does as well.

But Ratchie is promoting janky and expensive matcha lattes like a lowly SM influencer, all the while building herself up as this great humanitarian living a grand yet woke lifestyle. See, she’s unassailable from all fronts that way. It’s indicative that they want to be seen as too many things. That’s why their branding sucks, it’s too broad and everything to everyone without the expertise and authenticity to back it up.

What are they for, now they have been separated from the Royal Family?

I have no idea if they've pissed off Oprah. I doubt it, somehow.

But I think the reshoots/ re-edits after the announcement about the patronages, combined with the fact that the Harkles chose Commonwealth Day to air their interview, heavily implies that a chunk of the interview was all about their 'work' as Presidents of the Commonwealth. Very good for the BLM angle about herself that Meghan is now trying to portray.

Now that they've been booted, anything they've said about their future plans with that Patronage has to go.

But if Oprah flew back, it means she had to physically be there - meaning it's very likely that she also interviewed them after the 'surprise' (only to the Harkles) of the Queen finally laying down the law. Meghan will be trying to hide it, but she will be seething and feeling that petty entitlement that made her publish that clunker of a riposte: "Anyone can do service. Service is universal." As for Harry, he'll just seem more hollowed out than usual. Anyway, it could make for good television.

I wonder if Oprah will champion them long term, or will she come to regard them as those annoying neighbors.

She'll move on from them like she moved on from Lohan. She tries, they let her down, on to the next.

Lady C's latest video covers the recent comments as well as the Oprah interview.

Supposedly Oprah has been pursuing an interview with Prince Charles for a long time and he has been avoiding it.

And when Lady C had to turn down an Oprah interview because of a previous commitment, the Oprah team told her she would be "blacklisted" and never asked again now that she refused this time.

This recent Lady C video - her comments are gold.

This is just up today.

R420 She will as long as its advantageous to her. She championed Fergie for a number of years until she got into a shitload of trouble for "cash for access" to her ex-husband. The minute H&M are no longer relevant or get into controversy, she'll drop them. Oprah has championed (both in front and behind the camera) some really terrible people.

Good for a laugh.

March 7 = Festivus with Megs + Dim and their annual Airing of Grievances. Can we make this a new holiday?

Rumor on LSA is that that nasty cow Orca fucked Smugs equally nasty , whore mother, Duhora.

[quote]Rumor on LSA is that that nasty cow Orca fucked Smugs equally nasty , whore mother, Duhora.

That I can't believe. She likes her mamas clean and neat like Gayle King.

To paraphrase a joke I heard on the Stern show, Doria's pussy must look like Bob Marley eating a pastrami sandwich in a cave.

Lmao!! What a nasty visual!

So, is Stern anti Sparkle and Dim?

I could totally see them doing a Stern interview. It may come to that.

Didn't Megs mom do time in prison?

I have not seen any proof,but many think so. She supposedly was in some cult- like group for awhile as well. Meghan's sister, Samantha, has a new tell all out. It should be interesting and may answer some of the Doria questions.

Well, whatever the truth about her past, Doria has been the most well-behaved Markle-side character in this whole saga. She's never put a foot wrong, is always the picture of grace, never seems fake or haughty, and never subjects the public to what she thinks.

If Meghan had acted like Doria, instead of like the famewhore that she is, she would have been universally respected and beloved.

[quote] Doria has been the most well-behaved...she's never put a foot wrong, is always the picture of grace, never seems fake or haughty,

She looks like that because she has been treated with kid gloves by the British press who went after Sparkle's white family with fangs and claws. Reports are that the Markles were blindsided by those fierce attacks and got no guidance or help from anyone associated with the RF. Imagine how bewildering it would be if suddenly a member of your family (whether white or black) said that now she had the "family she never had" and through all of you over the side.

Well, we now know what a load of crap that statement was, don't we? Because Sparkle treats anyone who sadly becomes, whether by birth or marriage a member of any "family" of hers.

Doria, despite there being all kinds of unexplored and unexplained rumors about her, is viewed though the most rosy of rose colored glasses and must sit back in California and laugh uproariously at Sparkle's now bankrupt, abandoned father.

The lessons Sparkle learned from Doria, she learned well.

^ "threw", not "through"

and should be "Because Sparkle treats anyone who sadly becomes, whether by birth or marriage a member of any "family" of hers terribly."

I generally agree, r435, but it's clear that Doria is up to the task of behaving gracefully. You're correct that she had the advantage of being treated with kid gloves by the press, the BRF, and by the Harkles themselves, but she hasn't taken undue advantage of that goodwill by trying to monetize her position, or by trying to "have her voice" or by politically pontificating to become a 'Stahhhr'.

Meghan was also treated with kid gloves by the media (minus one single tabloid headline) and by the BRF at the beginning and look what she did with it.

[quote] hasn't taken undue advantage of that goodwill by trying to monetize her position

Really?

Doria is a shining example of the wisdom of keeping one’s mouth shut. Rather like the queen, she exemplifies the power of mystery.

The Markle family is Dysfunctional with capital Ds and Fs. Aren't most of them estranged from each other? You've got the nephew running through Hollywood naked on meth and the nephew caught trying to bring a knife into a London nightclub because "Trump said London is dangerous."

I don't think Doria ever did hard time. First of all those records are easily found. The press would've found them fairly soon and even if they hadn't, Samantha would've spilled LONG ago. No one with Markle DNA is capable of holding back or playing the long game

How did Doria and Thomas meet? Usually we know this info...anyone know?

r440 she was an assistant MUA on General Hospital, believe it or not, and Markle was their lighting director. They met on set, right around the huge early Luke and Laura era of the show.

Doria is another grifter with loads of dirty laundry to hide, hence why she keeps her greedy self quiet.

[Quote]You've got the nephew running through Hollywood naked on meth

Wait. I missed this one. Is he the Oregon pot farmer or another nephew? The other dysfunctional one lives in Idaho or Montana and kept getting into drunken domestic incidents.

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R438 - Yes, Doria apparently was a mystery to her daughter, too, leaving Thomas Markle, Sr. to bring the kid up from somewhere between 10 years old and graduating uni.

Dad brings the kid up, spoils her rotten, makes sure she goes to good schools, a first-class uni and gets out without the burden of debt . . . and when he ends up fat, old, boring, and no further use, the formerly invisible Doria appears as the Royal BF gets serious, gets to help Meghan play the race card in Britain, and go to the royal wedding, escorted by HRH The Prince of Wales.

Doria played it cool, all right. People keep saying Meghan is a chip off her father's old block. I don't agree. I think she's a chip of her mother's old block.

Yes r445 If Meghan had any game plan she would have trotted out poor old ailing Thomas for the wedding as a sympathy card. Look at the rough shape Johnny Spencer was in weaving down the aisle at St. Paul's leaning on Diana. Of course for Diana it wasn't a sympathy play but everyone knew it was Johnny's proudest moment having bred a future Queen!

Wasn't there a story that Doria is receiving an allowance from Charles?

[quote] a first-class uni

Could the non-Oxbridge Brits please butt out?

Northwest is a good second tier university. Not 'first class' by any measure.

Yes well Polytechnic Polly upthread thinks that Northwest is a a "first-class uni" and is a bad influence. "Uni"? WTF?

R443 the naked meth head is the pot dealer's gay brother. The pot dealer brought the knife to the club.

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I know you are Meghan's PR, r452,but I cant wait to see how she 'hangs' herself in this interview.

It will be fun.

R452 Of she would say that, gotta drum up the ratings. Also, Oprah probably sees this as her ticket back into mainstream relevance again, away from her failing TV ventures.

Celeb interviews aren’t what they used to be in the past. Now you have to have done something to earn notoriety like Jussie Smollet in order to make a splash. But it ends up being faded infamy like Jussie. Now Oprah is getting slammed on TikTok for her old school type of tabloid journalism masquerading as concerned interviewer. Clips of her asking the Olsen twins what clothing size they were, when tabloid press was exploiting Mary Kate’s problems battling anorexia nervosa. TikTokers are bashing Oprah and viewing her unfavorably as a past-it bitch.

Meanwhile deserter Harry goes on repulsive closet case James Corden's show to insist he is not a deserter.

R456 - and plays soldier to boot!

Hapless Harry really is so dumb. He has foot in mouth disease.

I am not interested in watching the Oprah interview. I don't even like when Oprah interviews interesting people.

r455 - have you forgotten the most OBVIOUS part? - The Tik-Tok generation doesn't value nearing middle-aged haz-beens like the Sussexes.

Harry wasn't "cute" on Corden, even to U.S. audiences who haven't the slightest clue what the royal duties he "stepped back from" not "stepped down from" mean. It all sounds so ephemeral and privileged, regardless. And totally bullshitty.

[quote] "Uni"? WTF?

That's Canadian slang for a university. Canadians don't say "college" like Americans do for an undergraduate education.

And Northwestern absolutely IS a first-class university. I'm a tenured American college professor, and I can say with full confidence Northwestern professors are considered top-notch in every field, and their university has excellent research facilities and a superior research record (particularly in the sciences).

And no, I did not go there.

She wouldn't have lasted a moment in one of Mr. Joseph Epstein's classes! Mister B.A....

Brits say "Uni" too.

So do Australians.

"Meghan Markle and Prince Harry 'look for new mail address' after Clarence House cuts ties" This is no doubt a money saving exercise but it looks all wrong at the moment, just before the Oprah/Meghan interview goes out.

Anyway, the adoring fans merely have to write to "Duke and Duchess of Sussex, Montecito, CA, USA" and I have no doubt that USPS, despite the DeJoy defunding, will manage to deliver letters and cards by the sackful.

Any stans on here know what street they live on?

A preview of the Oprah interview has dropped. Meghan has had work done. And Harry appears to attack his father. This seems like Panorama 2.0, I now see the "strip of their titles" (something the Queen and Charles don't want to do) side winning the argument.

Link, r465?

R466 I saw the ad on CBS just now, but royal reports are tweeting about it now on Twitter. I'm sure a link is coming

Here is, comparing himself to Diana.

He's acting like his situation was just like hers?

Bitch, Please.

Hear that? It's the sound of the H&M train derailing. Americans might buy his BS, but this will not go over well in the UK where it actually matters. These two are idiots.

Here' Oprah asking Meghan if she's been silenced, then showing Meghan...being silent. Then Harry going on about how history was going to repeat itself (with the paparazzi? The paps NEVER chased Meghan that I can remember - there are very few pap pics of her.)

LOL at the dramatic swelling musical at R468. It must be SO hard to run away from home in your mid 30s, and have an inheritance of money to fund whatever the fuck it is you do all day, plus have a network of asskissing connections ready to help you crank out tons and tons of money because of who your parents were. So fucking hard.

"Almost unsurvivable?" Oh, come on. People are dying in a pandemic.

Is she clutching her guts?

R473, she was cradling her bump for a few seconds. Either she does it obsessively compulsively, or she does it because she knows how much it pisses people off.

I genuinely don't understand his comparing his situation to Diana's.

Diana was adored , Meghan is loathed.

Because Diana was adored, people loved the pap pictures of her, and the paps chased her everywhere.

By the time Meghan arrived, the paps had been called off from ever papping Harry and William and their wives. They tried it with Kate in the beginning, and were slapped down pretty fast.

As I said above. I have ERO recollection of Meghan being papped as she walked to her car or as she lived at Kensington or Frogmore. There was one when she went shopping one day and was walking down the street before her engagement. Then the one in the woods for which they sued. That's it.

See this pic below? This is a mild example of what Diana dealt with every day. I've never seen a pic of Meghan being chased like this. There's no comparison.

[quote] ERO

^cunt, say what you mean, cunt.

R474 or because she actually isn't pregnant.

I have kept this to myself several times but I am wondering what the alleged miscarriage was all about and wonder if there was an abortion.

Maybe the rest of the interview is really positive, so it's not for certain that this will have a negative effect on them, but I would think Sunshine Sachs was wise enough to advise them to keep the negativity to a bare minimum. They win if they are full of positivity, gratitude for their good fortune, and love for their new life.

It could just be the Oprah producers emphasizing the negative for drumming up publicity, but they both look so angry and bitter here. I wonder if that is the tone of the majority of the interview or not. That will be a deciding factor in regards to how they are perceived. If they stay scowly all the way through, they've missed a massive opportunity.

I literally thought this thread title was about Meghan McCain. I was like, why is this interview with her such a big deal? What does she have to tell? I guess the royals are not really on my radar.

Pour R480 must bee knew hear.

^ mussed

F&F.

R483 une grande horizontale

Social media is not always the best gauge of what is happening, but there seems to be a decidedly low key reaction to the interview and the reaction that there is seems to slant towards negative. I'm calling it and saying it's not going to be the ratings buster CBS/Oprah want it to be.

I suppose they need all the dramatic American TV music and Oprah's sensationalizing to try to make the general feel public feel like tuning in. But why would anyone who's not invested in the royal family or Meghan's journey from C-list to royalty be interested in watching this?

Again the PR angle interests me--they're branding themselves as a power couple, for example in this clip by exploiting the recent, for many new, familiarity with Charles and Diana's story. "We're in it together!" (Unlike poor doomed mommy--as you all saw on the Crown!--who had to go it alone. Sorry, dad, you're going under the bus so we can launch ourselves in America.)

The dramatically cinematic Hallmark-style music ALONE will make every British viewer cringe their faces off.

That's definitely not the style of interview that the British are used to.

Yawn...😴😴

Perhaps you'd like to fuck off to some other thread, r488? Your contributions here are less than exactly scintillating (speaking of yawns).

Looks like the dangling tendrils are back.

Why does Meghan want to look like a raccoon with all of that eye makeup?

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"Unsurvivable" - lmao, what drama queens.

Yes, Diana kohled up her eyes to look extra sad and spooky for the Panorama interview.

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Look at Meghan's face in the photos. She's so obviously "acting."

There are Meghan sycophants on twitter who actually think Prince Philip and the royal family engineered his transfer to another hospital today to upstage H&M. Yes a 99 year old man who is likely dying decided fuck it, I'll show them.

Meghan is always acting - like a cat who ate the canary in 2017 or Poor Me in 2021.

Which one was abused by the press again?

Harry is getting a gut at R496's link. I don't think I could survive watching their 90minute interview, let alone a 2-hour one.

Harry claims he left the UK to flee the media....and now they are courting the American media....make sense. He's says he doesn't want to see what happened to his mother, happen again. Problem is Diana made the same mistakes Harry is making. By actively courting the media your are making it okay for them to hound you. Diana's Panorama interview basically opened the floodgates making it open season to pursue her. Meghan's claim about being silenced in reality is that she wants to control her press coverage. She (even before Harry) has been attempting to build a brand around herself and project herself in a certain light. The thing is, to do so she has cut virtually everyone out of her life.

Meghan looks like he got work done (fillers mostly) ... is that safe when you're pregnant.

R501 Yup, probably from depression.

R503, I think the filler look is actually her preggo face. Time will tell after she gives birth.

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Why so somber? Is it because they have realized their mistake in opening up to Orca; or is it because the interview wasn't paid; or both?

They know they have to look glum, or the headline would be “Harry and Meghan ALL SMILES as Prince Philip Moved to New Hospital”

The was a scene in The Crown - Philip is telling Diana that the RF are all irrelevant "apart from the one person, the only person who matters ..."

Then he says: "Your problem, if I may say, is that you seem to be confused about who that person is."

I think Meghan's confused too and so is her doofus husband.

R507 because it’s how the tacky nouveau riche rolls. All tacky, status symbol displays of having made it. Taste, subtlety, and understated elegance are not in these people’s vocabulary.

Two people only are of constitutional importance: the Queen and the Prince of Wales. That's all.

Why can’t these two shut the fuck up.

I wonder when Harry learned to drive on the righthand side - before moving to the US?

'Un-survivable' royal life! 'Unbelievably tough'!! 'Silenced' by the palace!!!

Good heavens, what an ordeal for them. Was this filmed at their 11 million dollar house? And doesn't she look aggrieved in her 3000 pound Armani dress cradling her precious baby bump (barf).

I'm sure the World - and especially Americans - will commiserate. Dumb and Dumber.

“Unsurvivable” is just about the most dramatic word ever. They’ve used it once before. I guess it’s a signature word for them now..

[quote] I wonder when Harry learned to drive on the righthand side - before moving to the US?

Driving on the left or the right is not a problem for most, despite Trump's admission that he couldn't handle driving on the left in Scotland.

Fuck Trump, but I learned how to drive in the UK and it was, actually, a challenge to drive on the other side of the road. I took drivers' lessons all over again to adjust to it.

R518 has learning difficulties like Dump.

r519 has never lived in another country, but would like all to assume he is somehow VERY WISE for having called the obvious asshole Trump: "Dump"

Take your meds R520 and sit back in your armchair for a rest again Boomer.

And so you implicitly admit that you've never lived in another country.

Good, r521, and I hope you never will.

Just keep your jingoistic poison amongst you and your Appalachian relatives.

Nobody else wants you.

Do you even own a passport R522? (And I don't mean a passport to Texas.)

Yes, r523. I have two passports.

I grew up between The UK and the US.

You?

[quote] I grew up between The UK and the US.

Fish

Bermuda?

[quote] I grew up between The UK and the US.

Sounds filthy

R524 = plankton

You've still not answered the question, r523.

Hmm.

Driving on the other side of the road isn't as simple as you may think.

People get killed all the time by tourists thinking they can make the switch for some holiday driving.

Trust me, I speak from experience.

"Links fahren!" Said the signs the British put up for the anticipated Nazi invaders.

I get a JFK Jr vibe from Harry. If I were Megan, I’d drive or hire a driver to drive them around

I’ve never driven on the left but I assume it would require the utmost concentration, at least until you’re really used to it. I suppose Harry has had a year to adjust.

Do they have roundabouts/rotaries in CA? That’s the tough one. Actually four-way intersections are hard because you’re instinctively looking at the wrong lane to see if it’s clear.

So, what was the "unsurvivable" context? After all, Sparkle and Dim worry about their statements being taken out of context.

[Quote]Do they have roundabouts/rotaries in CA?

I'm sure you'll find an odd one here or there, but no we don't have them.

[Quote]Actually four-way intersections are hard because you’re instinctively looking at the wrong lane to see if it’s clear.

Don't drive in Chicago then, where six-way intersections are common. I'm an American and had a hard time at first and took it slowly. (I'm no boondocks driver either, California freeways and congested suburban boulevards).

Didn't confusion over which direction/lane to look at lead the American diplomat's wife to strike and kill a pedestrian?

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I think she was driving on the wrong side, easy to do if there’s no traffic. Not sure if she was driving a right or left hand drive car.

Those numbskulls at ITV paying all that money for a show that will be pirated all over the internet for hours before they broadcast it.

And here we go! British Press is declaring open season on Meghan.

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Wot Meghan wants Meghan gets.

r540 that is one juicy headline! It is paywalled though, can anyone post the whole thing?

If this really is the royal family finally taking off the gloves, I am totally here for a Dynasty type brawl. Hissy fits over tiaras! Snide remarks from courtiers! Side-eye from the queen! Harry shouting at staff!

I don't even care who wins this is great entertainment.

R540 Wish this wasn't behind a paywall! Also, there's been a rumour around London since before the wedding that Meghan has actually been married twice before (her first marriage allegedly only lasting a few months)( ot once before but the British press has been sitting on that information under pressure from the Palace.

Fucking hell. “Unsurvivable” if there’s such a word, is stage 4 terminal cancer and not a pair of fuckwits whinging about not being able to make money off of royal titles.

There is more than just bullying allegations in here: I saw this extract on Twitter.

According to ITV: The Times contacted the Sussexs yesterday that they were going to go ahead with the story and wanted to know if they wanted to make a comment. The Sussexs lawyers contacted The Times with rebuttals but the Times published anyways suggesting they have "damaging proof" e.g. video!

Honestly if I were H&M right now, I'd be checking my brakes..............

Allegedly it was Meghan's treatment of staff the resulted in the split between H&M and William & Kate's offices. Rather than investigate the bullying claims, it appears Buckingham Palace just moved the affected staff two William's team and swept it under the rug. This also probably why explains why H&M had such high turn around in their office. Meghan went through more aides in two years than Kate has in 10 years.

Just to help those of you who just can’t get your heads around this to avoid being “oh deared”:

The Sussexes - refers to Harry and Meghan, the plural of the title “Sussex” is “Sussexes” The Sussexes’ - is the possessive of Sussexes - e.g. “The Sussexes’ many, many unnecessary bathrooms”.

The Sussex is wrong unless referring to the historic kingdom of Sussex - e.g. “the Sussex role in the Roman conquest of Britain”.

Valentine Low is going after them HARD in the Times. Not only revealing the fact that Meghan bullied several staff to the point of leaving (she did have remarkably high turnover in her one year with the BRF), but that Meghan proudly wore a gift from Kashoggi's murderer three weeks after the murder.

Looks as if the Palace may be about to leak details of Meghan's abuse of her staffers - and of Kate's nanny.

I wonder if the tea throwing incident will be revealed? I somehow doubt it as that is actual assault, and it would make Buck House look bad if it becomes clear that they covered up physical abuse of staff.

The Harkles are "saddened" that Buckingham Palace is about to spill the beans on Meghan's history of abusing her staff...

LOLLLLLL

The London Times is coming right out and declaring that Meghan was an abusive bully.

Let's see if she sues...I'll bet she won't.

R553 Not Omid Scobie, the of royal writers.

I assume it's too late for Meghan and Orca to amend the interview to respond to these bullying allegations. Too late, ha-ha; the Palace has good timing for once!

WOW. Actual abuse receipts from Jason Knauf (the hot PR twink who moved from the Harkles' office over to the Cambridges' office)

R554 I don't think she will. Apparently H&M were contacted by The Times yesterday about this story. H&M's lawyers offered a rebuttal (meaning Lawyers attempted to give evidence that the story was false) but The Times said they had the receipts and were publishing anyways. Added to that Meghan's legal team issues a statement but no where in the statement did she deny the accusations.

"Harry, call the goddam lawyers!"

R556 Also, it appears Buckingham Palace HR moved Knauf over the the Cambridges in part to keep a lid on the story.

Not only will she not sue, she's not even denying the accusations!

Wow.

Does she have legal expenses insurance? Seriously she needs a mega policy.

She won't sue because The Times has the receipts. The American media doesn't appear to be picking up the story yet.

Please let there be tape recordings of her abusing staff.

You just know she's a fucking nightmare and abused those people. Play the tapes.

Royal Reports on twitter are hinting at more "damning stories" coming out soon. This is FUN!!!!

This is hardly news. I think we all remember the traumatized staff saying that her 5am texts were very difficult to cope with. Still, bullying is a hot topic and if she is a bully like Dump and Cuomo then she should be outed as such.

From the Times article:

The sources have revealed a febrile atmosphere within Kensington Palace, where Meghan and Harry lived alongside the Cambridges after their wedding until the split between the two households at the beginning of 2019. Staff would on occasion be reduced to tears; one aide, anticipating a confrontation with Meghan, told a colleague: “I can’t stop shaking.”

Two senior members of staff have claimed that they were bullied by the duchess. Another former employee told The Times they had been personally “humiliated” by her and claimed that two members of staff had been bullied.

Another aide claimed it felt “more like emotional cruelty and manipulation, which I guess could also be called bullying”.

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Bullying is so un-woke.

New thread since this one is coming to an end soon

WOW! This is an excerpt from the Times story. The Palace was fearful that Meghan would play the race card and went out of their to accommodate her demands, but from day one she seemed to set to build a victim narrative.

Post the Times story someone!

She has a compliant judiciary. The judge has recently been promoted. The Times should be very, very scared of Meghan.

I’ve been trying to post the Times story for hours, but it just wouldn’t show up here. I’m doing it in sections.

Royal aides have hit back at the Duchess of Sussex before her television interview with Oprah Winfrey by revealing that she faced a bullying complaint from one of her closest advisers during her time at Kensington Palace.

The sources approached The Times because they felt that only a partial version had emerged of Meghan’s two years as a working member of the royal family and they wished to tell their side, concerned about how such matters are handled by the palace. The complaint claimed that she drove two personal assistants out of the household and was undermining the confidence of a third staff member.

It was submitted in October 2018 by Jason Knauf, the couple’s communications secretary at the time, seemingly in an effort to get Buckingham Palace to protect staff who he claimed were coming under pressure from the duchess. Prince Harry pleaded with Knauf not to pursue it, according to a source.

The Times was approached by sources who stated that they wanted to give their account of the turmoil within the royal household from Meghan’s arrival as Harry’s girlfriend in 2017 to the couple’s decision to stand down as working royals last year.

A spokesman for the Sussexes said they were the victims of a calculated smear campaign based on misleading and harmful misinformation. They said the duchess was “saddened by this latest attack on her character, particularly as someone who has been the target of bullying herself and is deeply committed to supporting those who have experienced pain and trauma”.

Knauf sent his email to Simon Case, then the Duke of Cambridge’s private secretary and now the cabinet secretary, after conversations with Samantha Carruthers, the head of HR. Case then forwarded it to Carruthers, who was based at Clarence House.

In his email Knauf said Carruthers “agreed with me on all counts that the situation was very serious”. He added: “I remain concerned that nothing will be done.”

Sources say they were concerned that nothing was done at the time to investigate the situation, and nothing done since to protect staff against the possibility of bullying by a member of the royal family. Aides also insist that behind the scenes they did more to welcome Meghan and help her to find a role than has been publicly acknowledged.

They believe the public should have insight into their side of the story before watching the couple’s much-publicised interview with Winfrey, due to be televised in the United States on Sunday.

The couple’s lawyers told The Times that this newspaper is “being used by Buckingham Palace to peddle a wholly false narrative” before the interview.

However, The Times understands that the palace establishment is highly concerned that the allegations have emerged.

The sources have revealed a febrile atmosphere within Kensington Palace, where Meghan and Harry lived alongside the Cambridges after their wedding until the split between the two households at the beginning of 2019. Staff would on occasion be reduced to tears; one aide, anticipating a confrontation with Meghan, told a colleague: “I can’t stop shaking.”

Two senior members of staff have claimed that they were bullied by the duchess. Another former employee told The Times they had been personally “humiliated” by her and claimed that two members of staff had been bullied.

Another aide claimed it felt “more like emotional cruelty and manipulation, which I guess could also be called bullying”.

The duchess denies bullying and her lawyers stated that one individual left after findings of misconduct. The Times was not able to corroborate that claim.

The Times can also reveal that the duchess wore earrings to a formal dinner in Fiji in 2018 that were a wedding gift from Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia, who is said by US intelligence agencies to have approved the murder of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi. The dinner took place three weeks after the killing.

At the time it was reported that the earrings were borrowed. The duchess does not deny this was what she said, despite being aware of their provenance.

On the same tour sources said the main reason that the duchess cut short an engagement in Fiji was because of her reservations about the organisation UN Women. It is not clear why she is said to have felt so strongly about its presence. The duchess denies the sources’ claims about the event.

Knauf wrote in his email: “I am very concerned that the Duchess was able to bully two PAs out of the household in the past year. The treatment of X* was totally unacceptable.”

He added: “The Duchess seems intent on always having someone in her sights. She is bullying Y and seeking to undermine her confidence. We have had report after report from people who have witnessed unacceptable behaviour towards Y.”

The email, which also expressed concern about the stress being experienced by Samantha Cohen, the couple’s private secretary, concluded: “I questioned if the Household policy on bullying and harassment applies to principals.”

The complaint was sent to the HR department. However, one source said: “I think the problem is, not much happened with it. It was, ‘How can we make this go away?’, rather than addressing it.”

After Harry was told about the complaint a source insists he had a meeting with Knauf in which he begged him not to pursue it. Lawyers for the duke and duchess deny that any meeting took place or that the duke would have interfered with any staff matter.

Another source claimed: “Senior people in the household, Buckingham Palace and Clarence House, knew that they had a situation where members of staff, particularly young women, were being bullied to the point of tears.

“The institution just protected Meghan constantly. All the men in grey suits who she hates have a lot to answer for, because they did absolutely nothing to protect people.”

Knauf‘s complaint never progressed. Two of the people named in his email are are said to feel that nothing has been done to investigate the bullying claim. The following month Knauf handed in his notice.

When the households split the following March he took up a job as an adviser to the Duke of Cambridge. He is now chief executive of the Cambridges’ Royal Foundation.

After a newspaper revealed that a PA had left after only six months, it is understood that the duchess became extremely concerned about the number of stories in the press about staff leaving. Her lawyers state that she did not read the press.

The tour of Australia, New Zealand, Fiji and Tonga was a difficult one for staff, sources told The Times. When the duchess wore the earrings in Fiji given by the crown prince she told aides who were preparing to brief the media about her outfit for the state dinner that they had been “borrowed” from a jeweller, a source said, an explanation that was widely reported. This was three weeks after the murder of Khashoggi at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul.

Lawyers for the duchess said she may have stated they were borrowed but did not say they were borrowed from a jeweller and denied that she had misled anyone about their provenance.

Although Case had no managerial responsibility for the staff mentioned in Knauf’s complaint, he is understood to have taken it seriously. He made sure it was sent to HR, and took a close interest in the welfare of the staff member still employed there.

The issue of staff — their treatment, and the fact that they were shared between William and Harry — became so pressing that William and Case accelerated the process of splitting the two households. “What was a long-term plan became an immediate plan,” a source said.

The spokesman for the Sussexes said in a statement: “Let’s just call this what it is — a calculated smear campaign based on misleading and harmful misinformation. We are disappointed to see this defamatory portrayal of The Duchess of Sussex given credibility by a media outlet. It’s no coincidence that distorted several-year-old accusations aimed at undermining The Duchess are being briefed to the British media shortly before she and The Duke are due to speak openly and honestly about their experience of recent years.

“In a detailed legal letter of rebuttal to The Times, we have addressed these defamatory claims in full, including spurious allegations regarding the use of gifts loaned to The Duchess by The Crown.

The Duchess is saddened by this latest attack on her character, particularly as someone who has been the target of bullying herself and is deeply committed to supporting those who have experienced pain and trauma. She is determined to continue her work building compassion around the world and will keep striving to set an example for doing what is right and doing what is good.”

Buckingham Palace declined to comment.

*Names withheld by The Times

It's amusing that in H&M's PR week, their interviewers are both people who were invited to their wedding. I suppose that Harry was friends with the toadying James Cordon, but they weren't friends with Oprah.

I think her pregnancy will play to her favor in all of this--the Palace is smearing her all while she's carrying her second child. It's almost unsurvivable!

So the TL;DR of the article, which was written by Valentine Low, a respected Royal Reporter, is this:

1. Meghan is a huge cunt. Her interactions with her (mostly female) staff was abusive.

2. She wore MBS’ gifted earrings in Tonga days after the Khashoggi murder. She lied and pretended they were a loan from a Hong Kong jeweler, which was reported on several news sites. Even though her staff told her not to wear them, she didn’t listen, and then wore them a month later for the second time at Charles’ birthday party.

3. Buckingham Palace is being criticized because even though they knew of her abusive behavior, they protected her.

4. Harry begged staff not to pursue complaint against Meghan.

5. The Sussexs’ lawyers are blaming Buckingham Palace for the leak. Big mistake. HUGE.

6. The Times has receipts. The Sussexes’ have decried the article but not denied it, nor have they threatened a lawsuit.

If it's not true, let Mrs Lawsuit sue the London Times. This isn't some grotty tabloid, it's the Times.

She won't sue because she can't sue because it's true.

Mess with the Queen, get the sword.

Another article from the Times, also written by Valentine Low:

More than one source has expressed their view about her wanting to be a victim. One claimed: “She wanted to be the victim because then she could convince Harry that it was an unbearable experience and they had no choice but to move to America.” Lawyers for the duke and duchess denied this was true. Supporters of the couple have argued that Harry and Meghan were frustrated in their attempts to live their life in a different way.

One more from the Times about the provenance of the earrings:

R585 I meant to say Fiji, not Tonga.

At this point Meghan better pray that Prince Phillip dies before the interview and that he hasn't already setup a killswitch with MI6.

Just pointing out that technically it’s “The Times” as in The Times of London. It’s still owned by Rupert Murdoch, right?

Yes r591, and so?

Are you implying that their strict fact-checking and editorial standards are less worthy? You can openly state that here you know.

Also The Times is tabloid these days.

But Twitter and Lainey Gossip, hell, Oprah and Vanity Fair are sacrosanct?

It's telling that Meghan and her lawyers have decided not to sue.

Here in Italy, the Armani dress worn by MM in the interview is displayed in the front window. Personally, I think it looks as if a seagull took a large, wet crap on the wearer's shoulder.

The dress is okay, but not so flattering on her. She went for black and the extreme make-up because she's pregnant and has a bloated face--it's slimming.

She perhaps should've gone for a pastel maternity dress and matronly styling; she already has one faction supporting her because her mom is black, she could've gotten conservative fraus on her side, too.

The eye makeup was definitely set to “sad eyes”.

^ Yes, sad eyes, sombre black dress. Obviously, she's had a unbelievably tough time. Will "the Duchess" get through the interview without tears? The world is on tenterhooks for what she's about to say. I'm sure it will all be worth it. /s

They're only getting an interview because they're explicitly criticizing the RF. Is this how they're going to make their living now? Shame on you, Harry. I find their self-promotion distasteful, and I want to slap that woe-is-me look off her face.

The eye makeup is set to “I got too much fillers in my lips so now have to wear whore eye makeup to take attention away from my lips”.