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has new york city bounced back?

last year, dataloungers who lived outside nyc were gloating that the city seemed on the cusp of some irreparable damage. the subways were abandoned but for homeless people. crime was soaring post-riots. work places were staying empty. businesses were closing.

but dataloungers who lived in nyc had a different view. the subways were never easier to use. any crime was not happening where dataloungers lived. nyc would become a mecca for work-from-home because why work from home in scarsdale? and the businesses that were closing would leave room for new and more interesting businesses to start up.

so what's the deal? is nyc back? is it suffering?

by Anonymousreply 522Yesterday at 7:50 PM

Not yet. North Brooklyn is not that bad because people actually live here. Plenty of things open and when the weather was nice it almost seemed normal with people eating outdoors. But the city feels like a ghost town with all the empty offices and restaurants that catered to workers. My friend in HK hates it and a friend of his was mugged in broad daylight, forced to an ATM for cash. He wants to move to Bushwick.

by Anonymousreply 102/08/2021

Fingers crossed that when DeBlasio is gone the city doesn't elect another far left lib like Maya Wiley who still wants to defund the police, even with crime up across the board. She also wants to tax the rich to pay for programs to ensure the poor who elect not to work will have a comfortable life, which invites the poor from other places to find their way to the city. The people who pay taxes will continue to leave and not return for fear of being a crime statistic. The middle class, whoever is left, will struggle to stay alive and keep up with bills since they won't qualify for anything, but will be expected to pay close to 40% of income to support others. Big problems ahead it seems.

by Anonymousreply 202/08/2021

Compared to April, May, June and through until late summer yes, city is "back", but only just. There is so much more to go and don't believe things will be anywhere near 100% for another year or longer.

Subways still are largely devoid of passengers aside from essential workers and tourists. They are also still full of homeless and it seems every other day someone is being attacked, thrown on tracks, or whatever else is happening down there.

Offices still are not bringing back full or even half staff in most cases. Mayor says he will order city agencies to call employees back in May, but we shall see.

The mass rush to flee city seems to have abated, and some moving in activity is seen.

Still for most part city is empty starting early evening and dead quiet overnight. Then again bars and restaurants are either closed or forced to shut down by 10PM so there isn't any "night life" to keep people out anyway.

by Anonymousreply 302/08/2021

Is studio 54 still good?

by Anonymousreply 402/08/2021

...and we were all ready to drop Snake Plissken in.

Well, shucks.

by Anonymousreply 502/08/2021

City won't be anywhere near "bounced back" until bars and restaurants are allowed to return to normal hours, tourists return, and performing arts/entertainment/Broadway, etc.. opens up as well.

by Anonymousreply 602/08/2021

As long as "old people killer" Cuomo and "I hate whites" de Blasio are in charge, the city will continue to suffer. New York works better when centrist Republicans are in charge. Both of these men are hellbent on destroying NYC and all its businesses.

by Anonymousreply 702/08/2021

You have no tourists, so you have no money.

by Anonymousreply 802/08/2021

It became horrible. NYC was in a decline for a while, even before the pandemic. There were still great elements, but it was becoming a giant mall. The rents killed the cool, small businesses that made the city a legend. It became too expensive for artists to make their way. We decided to leave and moved out last week (during a snowstorm - whee!). We were sick of making low six figures and paying a fortune in taxes to live in a small, expensive apartment, in a neighborhood that, once glamorous, has become filled with homeless, crime, muggings, etc, When your only option of going out to eat means sitting in the freezing cold with the trash and rats, NYC becomes undesirable very quickly.

We moved to the Southwest, bought a convertible and are settling in to our new huge new place, with our backyard and our pool. ZERO regrets so far. When life returns, in many years, to normal, we will go back as visitors, but we have no desire to live in NYC again.

As a liberal, living in NYC has made me more centrist. The city needs someone fiscally smart and tough on crime. I know many, many, middle and upper middle class people who are either leaving or seriously exploring living at least 50% of the time in another state to bring down their tax burden. I don't blame them. When it becomes clear the lunatics are running the asylum, the desire to stay diminishes quite quickly. There will also be some New Yorkers that are ride or die and will still claim the city is the best in the world. It was. It no longer is.

by Anonymousreply 902/08/2021

Manhattan won’t be back for several years. Offices are still completely empty as are subways. Recovery is a LONG way off.

by Anonymousreply 1002/08/2021

r9 speaks the truth. I've lived in Manhattan for 30 years and I'm trying to figure out what to do and where to go. I'm in the difficult employment age group, white male late 50s.

by Anonymousreply 1102/08/2021

[quote]The rents killed the cool, small businesses that made the city a legend.

That's the case in every big city, I find. It's almost entirely megabrands and we're poorer for it.

[quote]As a liberal, living in NYC has made me more centrist. The city needs someone fiscally smart and tough on crime.

OK that made me giggle a lot given the fiery liberal passion on DL, because personally I've always held the center is where it's at and most people eventually move there when they realize how the world works. All the grit of lost New York is a great idea... living it is entirely different. I don't mean that as a judgment, it's just amusing as people pack it in under the weight of the inevitable.

by Anonymousreply 1202/08/2021

it's broke. the real pain hasn't arrived yet.

by Anonymousreply 1302/08/2021

yeah, it's only getting started

by Anonymousreply 1402/08/2021

I drive by a train station on the Metro north line. Monday thru Friday the 90 or so parking spots perpendicular to the Grand Central bound tracks would ALWAYS be completely filled with cars. Since April only 7 or 8 cars fill the spots out of 90. Almost everyone is still staying home and the few people who are going into the city for their job are driving in.

by Anonymousreply 1502/08/2021

R9 sadly, I feel this is a metaphor for the USA itself. I truly hurt at what this country is becoming.

by Anonymousreply 1602/08/2021

Of course it is not back.

There is a still a pandemic raging OP. Office space is largrly empty. All "nightlife" has to close by 10pm. There are few commuters coming into work and tourism barely exists.

On what planet is any city back? We aren't out of this pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 1702/08/2021


[quote]You have no tourists, so you have no money.

And until NYC has another mayor who will actually tackle the crime problem head on, NYC will have no tourists, full stop

I went in 2003 and loved it despite being poor and staying in a one star hotel. But until it is back the way it was then, I have no desire to return, even on a five star hotel budget

by Anonymousreply 1802/08/2021

What’s with OP’s intentional lack of capitalization?

by Anonymousreply 1902/08/2021

I think it probably will bounce back, eventually - but it is way, way too premature to say it's bounced back - as others have said, we're still in the middle of a global pandemic. New York City is a prime tourist destination but it will be a while yet before it gets back to that - I am glad I visited several years ago, I wouldn't go near it for a long time now.

by Anonymousreply 2002/08/2021

It is like all other places: Paying the price of a pandemic.

It will be back when everything else is back.

by Anonymousreply 2102/08/2021

[quote]And until NYC has another mayor who will actually tackle the crime problem head on, NYC will have no tourists, full stop

I can't believe how stupid some DataLoungers are.

Crime hasn't gone up because of the mayor. Crime has gone up because the entertainment, leisure and hospitality industries have ceased and the street space once taken up by now-remote business, retail and financial workers is empty and itinerants have taken their place on the street.

As for tourists, it's not crime keeping them away. They're not vising NYC because there's nothing to fucking do.

It is simple economics. Once the pandemic is over things will slowly change.

by Anonymousreply 2202/08/2021

Tourists have read on DL that gay men rim each other in Sodom on the Hudson. Horrified, they will not be back to visit.

by Anonymousreply 2302/08/2021

[quote] Fingers crossed that when DeBlasio is gone the city doesn't elect another far left lib like Maya Wiley who still wants to defund the police, even with crime up across the board. She also wants to tax the rich to pay for programs to ensure the poor who elect not to work will have a comfortable life, which invites the poor from other places to find their way to the city.

It's amazing to me that people who can twist reality to think this way still get to vote.

by Anonymousreply 2402/08/2021

[quote] And until NYC has another mayor who will actually tackle the crime problem head on, NYC will have no tourists, full stop

The federal government giving bail out money to cities would help. Crime increases whenever there is a recession.

Trump actively lobbied to hold back money from cities. He is a big reason why NY and other cities are experiencing an increase in crime

by Anonymousreply 2502/08/2021

NYC will recover quickly if vaccines are given out by this summer. If this goes on another year, the return to a normal economy will be much slower

by Anonymousreply 2602/08/2021

No city has "bounced back."

The entire country is in a recession.

by Anonymousreply 2702/08/2021

The “crime & homelessness is sky high” crap is propaganda coming from Rupert Murdoch flunkies & racist NYPD who hates that a democrat married to a black woman is the mayor. After Koch they had one black mayor — Dinkins — who only got elected because everyone was sick & tired of antics after 12 years of Koch & wanted something different. Dinkins wasn’t a good mayor. So Giuliani’s ran, won 2 terms, then Bloomberg won 3 terms after he bribed the city council. Ed Koch was a Republican in democrat clothing. Do except for one term of Dinkins, NYC mayors were GOP for 30 years. NYPD doesn’t like that, nor does Rupert Murdoch. The added fact that the democratic mayor has a black wife is horrifying to loud mouthed NYPD union chiefs.

I render being at my husband’s cousin’s house. My always-overly-optimistic husband never mentioned their political leaning so I assumed it was the same as my husband, his parents & sister. His cousin’s husband, a surgeon & navy veteran made a remark about how DeBlasio dragged his black kids & put them in front of the cameras in his ads so that black people would go to the polls& vote for him. I had no idea who DeBlasio’s wife was or that he had biracial kids. My belief was that DeBlasio won the nomination because of everyone giving the poll booth equivalent of the finger to Christine Quinn, who agreed to overturn the term limits we NY voters had passed twice at the polls & who got her biggest campaign $ from the developer who oversaw the destruction of St Vincent’s hospital. Christine Quinn is going to hell & she’s not ever going to get the satisfaction of being mayor, which she sold her soul for.

Anyway, that’s when I realized my husband’s cousin’s husband was a racist libertarian who watched RT - russia today. (Cracked me up as his grandparents had fled pogroms in Russia, now he was spouting Russian propaganda about the NYC mayoral race. It ate at this guy that DeBlasio married a black woman. He even accused DeBlasio of marrying a black women & having biracial kids to further his political career. This kind of racist talk was all over Fox, the NY Post, Breitbart, RT opinion and message boards. Newspapers had messageboards in those days and they went from people civilly discussing articles of the day to enraged rightwing men screaming about “urban youth,” thugs, welfare queens, i dint do nuffin and other racist tropes. Rather than moderate these messageboards, most smaller, local newspapers just got rid of them.

NYPD has been refusing to do their jobs because they hate DeBlasio because he’s a white democrat (they hate democrats thanks to Rush & Fox) and married to a black woman. They are deliberately trying to drive up the crime rate & are even committing crimes themselves (fireworks, driving around in patrol cars screaming support for Trump in addition to infiltrating demonstrations in plain clothes, starting fires & breaking windows) so they can say the crime rate went up under democrats.

Well, NYC doesn’t care what NYPD does. NYC knows exactly who & what make up NYPD & they know about NYPD’s antics.

by Anonymousreply 2802/08/2021

A nonsensical question OP. Why would NYC come back when we are still in the middle of the pandemic? The question can’t be asked until the Fall at best. Right now, all restaurants, bars, nightlife, theater and social spaces are effectively closed - which are the whole point of NYC. I knew the winter would be tough - and it is. Without the ability to eat and socialize outside, the city is in lockdown still.

I’m hopeful for the Summer - I think the ability to be outside, the slow relaxation of restrictions and increasing vaccination and decreasing spread will allow us to breathe again. I have no doubt about the return of NYC - IF the virus can be throughly defeated. The pent up need to socialize will make NYC very attractive.

by Anonymousreply 2902/08/2021

I have to laugh at people who think DeBlasio is some wild liberal. He’s just another another hack who works for the powerful real estate interests in the city.

by Anonymousreply 3002/08/2021

DeBlasio's main political instinct is incompetence.

If there's a wrong decision to be made, he'll make it.

by Anonymousreply 3102/08/2021

I love how all these people who don't even live in NYC have such strong opinions on DiBlaisio.

by Anonymousreply 3202/08/2021

R32 you’ve pretty much summed up most responses on DL. People have strong opinions on things they know very little about.

by Anonymousreply 3302/08/2021

DeBlasio is a turd and his wife is a grifter lesbian. Together they have done a lot of damage to NYC. People who pay the taxes are leaving in droves and the ones who live off the taxes are staying put and more are on the way here. It really has become the welfare state of DeBlasio's wet dreams.

by Anonymousreply 3402/08/2021

You give BdB too much credit. He is way too lazy to actually accomplish anything. If he was actually an effective leader, there might be some progressive policies. But he is just inept.

by Anonymousreply 3502/08/2021

I don’t think it will bounce back until the restaurants are fully open and the threatre re-open. I hope that is by the Fall.

by Anonymousreply 3602/08/2021

[quote] People have strong opinions on things they know nothing about.


by Anonymousreply 3702/08/2021

Spring of 2022 will be the rebounding of NYC. A lot of experts are expecting a hedonistic 1920s like world after the pandemic is over. Tourism will increase, people will be dying to go to Broadway shows and concerts and good fine dining again. We will have a new mayor and as long as it’s not a BdB cronie they will surely be better than him.

by Anonymousreply 3802/08/2021

[quote] nyc would become a mecca for work-from-home because why work from home in scarsdale?

OP, you got that backwards. Most people say if you can work from home, why live in a crowded big city.

by Anonymousreply 3902/08/2021

Nope. People are still moving out, I still see moving trucks on a daily basis.

Workers are not back in midtown yet. It's dead after 8 or 9pm.Only bums, delivery people or folks walking their dogs.

by Anonymousreply 4002/08/2021

These are tough times for cities and have been so even pre=pandemic. R9's post was so on-point. There are so many similarities with San Francisco. And can I just say it's shitty and provincial for any gay male to *gloat* about urban problems.

Does that stem from jealousy or insecurity?

by Anonymousreply 4102/08/2021

You realize that a ton of young people want to live in a exciting city with a ton to do r39?

Sure as people get older they often want a slower suburban life, but what drew people to New York was the appeal of living in one of the most dynamic places in the world.

by Anonymousreply 4202/08/2021

Slowly giving up hope for 2021 - very similar to what happened in 2020. In April 2020, I was absolutely sure it would be back to normal by Fall. With the vaccine news, I was certain it would be by Summer 2021. Now the news seems to be gathering storm clouds for issues over the next few months. Then winter hits again - and this winter taught me that NYC in the winter and the virus can’t coexist.

Now I’m honestly wondering if I’m going to hold out hope for this city for another year. The places that are barely hanging on will be gone if they can’t reopen this summer. And that’s looking less and less likely. There are only so many outdoor seats - they cant keep a place alive for 2 years.

by Anonymousreply 4302/08/2021


Everyone who wasted their time reading that ignorant screed is now dumber than they were beforehand.

Trying to pretend that the policies enacted by Governor Cuomo and mayor Deblasio haven’t radically increased boat property crimes and violent crimes in the city. Only a fucking moron who still believes that Democrats will actually fix anything believes NYC will recover before 2030.

by Anonymousreply 4402/08/2021


Even more ominously, the people escaping are the highest earners.

How can you tax the rich if they all migrate to Florida, Texas, or Tennessee?

The top 1% of earners pay nearly half of all New York City income taxes. If you drive them out, the tax base will shrink and New York will become even more of a Third World shit hole.

I lived in New York for five years in Midtown, but at this point you couldn’t pay me to step foot in that wretched city.

by Anonymousreply 4502/08/2021

Well, I've never been able to afford to live below 125th street so I am looking forward to moving downtown in May. 20 years in the city and I can finally live in a gay neighborhood.

by Anonymousreply 4602/08/2021

R1 - you hit on an important point. Actually, this is what I do for a living - analyze the real estate market in NYC (a few other cities too, but NYC is our core). In any case, in Q2 and Q3 of last year, there were more expensive properties sold in Brooklyn for the first time ever compared to Manhattan. Also, what everyone else is saying about flight from densely populate and now culturally "dead" NYC to more affordable places. Another important factor is WFH of course. This along with the astronomical prices for such small space, the lack of the cultural life (live-work-play) which drew so many people and the fact that Gen X is hitting 50 and Millennials are turning 40, is making the suburbs more attractive. This last year, the one and only city where, for example, office rentals and office-using jobs grew as well as where sales stayed relatively stable in many areas popular with professionals was Austin. Obviously, the move of employers like Oracle and Tesla to Texas helps. More and more companies, including ones owned by real estate developers and investors are shifting attention away from NYC to Texas and Florida for more favorable taxes, cheaper office rentals (for part time office work) and where construction continues in earnest due to sprawl and lower costs.

by Anonymousreply 4702/08/2021

By the summer everyone who wants to get vaccinated will have been able to get vaccinated r43. Things are going to get a lot better.

by Anonymousreply 4802/09/2021

I drove in 2x this fall, October and mid-November for a museum visit/ holiday shopping. On a Saturday the area near Rockefeller was bustling with mainly foreign tourists but definitely 50% down in volume of people on the street. LES/East Village/Soho were b u s t l i n g as usual on a mild Saturday afternoon. Stores were open, restaurants were serving, locals/tourists were milling about. It was the most normal area I encountered.

It won't be back to somewhat "normal" until offices are back, most folks I have talked to are not being told to head back to offices before Fall 2021. Ask again then.

by Anonymousreply 4902/09/2021

I hope I don’t have to go back to the office more than once a month.

by Anonymousreply 5002/10/2021

[quote]Well, I've never been able to afford to live below 125th street so I am looking forward to moving downtown in May. 20 years in the city and I can finally live in a gay neighborhood.

What's gay about downtown these days?

Andrew Yang is leading in the mayoral polls. God help us.

by Anonymousreply 5102/10/2021

I was wondering the same thing r51. Greenwich Village was historically a gayborhood but it has been a long time since that was the case.

I feel the only places you could still call a gayborhood is Hells Kitchen and arguably Chelsea.

Where you moving r46?

by Anonymousreply 5202/10/2021

NYC without Broadway is impossible.

by Anonymousreply 5302/10/2021

subway crimes are still happening...people getting shoved onto the tracks, slashings etc.

by Anonymousreply 5402/10/2021

As people have said, I think it really depends where you are in NYC. My neighborhood (Yorkville) is fine. People always walking around, lots of outdoor dining, stores open, feels safe. I was able to get a really good deal on a rental that I never could have afforded pre-Covid - they dropped the rent by $700 a month. Much bigger apartment in a nicer building. No fees.

Central Park is still great. I go daily. It was beautiful in the snow - people building snowmen and kids sledding. Felt magical.

Midtown feels deserted. Soho feels pretty empty. Union square is less crowded but feels okay?

I take the subway a couple times a week and it feels somewhat empty (obviously) and a lot cleaner and knock on wood I haven’t felt unsafe. But the pushing and slashings really scare me. I’ve also taken the bus, which feels fine.

All that being said, I haven’t ventured that far out of my comfort zone in terms of neighborhoods and I still don’t go out after dark - because there is nothing to do but also because I feel nervous?

I don’t do outdoor dining but I like seeing people at restaurants. Feels normal.

I have noticed tons of empty storefronts no matter what neighborhood I’ve been in. Midtown probably the most jarring....

I don’t know. Hate on it all you want but I really love New York - I’ve been here for 18 years - I’m not leaving. I think covid has fucked up most places? It will take awhile for everyone to bounce back? It’s all relative.

by Anonymousreply 5502/10/2021

I can only speak for my corner of the outer boroughs, but I don't think I've noticed anything too untoward around here. Stores are open (my gym is still closed, and likely to remain so) people going about their business as normal. I've only had opportunity to go into Manhattan a few times since COVID started (nothing to do, so what's the point) beyond seeing a gentleman friend a few times, in Hell's Kitchen and in Midtown. HK seemed pretty normal, Midtown did now.

I did go in after the election was called to take an opportunity to flip off Trump Tower, and went to Times Square just to see what I saw. It was a little spooky, if I'm being honest.

I wish I could have justified moving. I signed for another two years, and the landlord did the regular rent hike.

by Anonymousreply 5602/10/2021

Midtown is definitely the biggest change. Going from bursting at the seams with commuters coming into work and tourists visiting to be a dead zone.

by Anonymousreply 5702/10/2021

R52 & R51

West Village was somewhat a "historically gay" area. Suppose you can add parts of Greenwich Village from Seventh Avenue South east towards Sixth avenue, but east of that towards Fifth and onward was never same solid gay area like around Christopher street going west from SAS to the river.

That being said both GV and WV really ceased being any sort of major gay mecca in aftermath of HIV/AIDs. People were still down there but much activity moved onto Chelsea. That didn't last either and while all three areas still have a substantial gay presence it's not same as before. You can't really say Hell's Kitchen (the new Chelsea) is a solidly gay area either.

So much has changed in decades since 1980's and 1990's that idea of a gay ghetto if you will just doesn't appeal to many younger gays. Technology (personal computers, phones, apps, etc... ) have decimated bars and clubs as people just "hook-up" or whatever online. It's all you can or could do to get people out of their homes to go for a drink, hangout and or maybe a bite to eat in the "hood". People just stay home glued to their phones or other devices.

Big thing of course is cost of housing. Greenwich Village, West Village, Chelsea, and even Hell's Kitchen have become far too expensive for anyone not earning bank. Areas still with a thriving gay scene are now out in Queens (Jackson Heights) where rents are lower....

Gays and lesbians nowadays down in West or Greenwich Village are often just as boogie as their straight neighbors IMHO> They're all well off to very on average, white, and are as uptight about "protecting" their real estate values. They don't want bars, clubs, or anything else that brings a certain element to their streets. Couldn't be bothered about Saint Vincent's closing because it was a hospital for "poor people" that they wouldn't set foot in unless it was a severe emergency (and maybe not even then).

When Christoper Street and surrounding area started to get "too dark" with LGBT young people of color they moaned, bitched and finally began to pull rank to see that action was taken to clean things up. I mean "what about the children?" they said. When Boots and Saddle was looking for a new home they shot that down quickly. There was supposed to be a LGBT youth center as part of development of Saint Luke's owned property, community had a fit because they knew just who would be clientele for such place, and that was that.

Probably only time West Village remotely resembles days of old is on Pride Day, but after that event is over things go right back to boring and bland.

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by Anonymousreply 5802/10/2021

More evidence things are moving in right direction.

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by Anonymousreply 5902/10/2021

Valentino? Lol. Who the fuck in America wears Valentino? No one, that’s who. And a Soho store won’t be saved by foreign tourists since there will be no foreign tourists in NY for years.

It will be closed in six months.

by Anonymousreply 6002/11/2021

Yet more good news!

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by Anonymousreply 6102/11/2021

I am signing a lease today and have been stalking streeteasy for about two months and I’ve definitely noticed that rents are going up a bit. Nothing like pre covid but more apartments listed without net effective deals and things being rented faster.

Now if we could take care of the subway slashings and pushings....

by Anonymousreply 6202/12/2021

No according to those I know who still leave there.

by Anonymousreply 6302/12/2021

[quote]Now if we could take care of the subway slashings and pushings....

That won’t happen until we get a mayor who is not a social justice warrior.

The current catch and release form of justice doesn’t work. I’m sorry that there are more black people in jail, but maybe someone should study why that is rather than just not holding them to acceptable standards of behavior.

by Anonymousreply 6402/12/2021

Agreed R64.

by Anonymousreply 6502/12/2021

The 2nd/3rd wave will be a lot worse than the 1st due to the variants. The US is the only country other than China to under report cases and your vaccination program is still not logical?

Trump left behind a horrible mess that will take months to make sense of.

by Anonymousreply 6602/12/2021

Thanks, Cuomo.

by Anonymousreply 6702/12/2021

DL Fave Fran Lebowitz was on the View last week, and she said that now is the time to move to New York. The prices have never been better!

by Anonymousreply 6802/12/2021

I have to question the spending choices of people who claim to be pulling in six-figure incomes (two of them between them, in fact) and act like they are poor. New York City isn't even in the top 10 of most expensive places to live in the world. I live in what last time I checked was the second most expensive city in the world on five figures, and am living perfectly comfortably.

[quote]A lot of experts are expecting a hedonistic 1920s like world after the pandemic is over.

Well, we should be careful, because that didn't end so well...

by Anonymousreply 6902/12/2021

[quote] His cousin’s husband, a surgeon & navy veteran made a remark about how DeBlasio dragged his black kids & put them in front of the cameras in his ads so that black people would go to the polls& vote for him.

He's right. An aide even admitted it in a recent interview.

by Anonymousreply 7002/12/2021

[quote]My friend in HK hates it and a friend of his was mugged in broad daylight, forced to an ATM for cash.

OMG are you kidding??? That is fucking scary as hell!

by Anonymousreply 7102/12/2021

[quote]The US is the only country other than China to under report cases Bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 7202/12/2021

[quote]The US is the only country other than China to under report cases


by Anonymousreply 7302/12/2021

Yorkville poster here. I cross the park and walk to the upper west side most days and it’s eerily deserted in the 60s. You’ll walk down 64th between CPW and Broadway at 12pm and there is no one in sight. It’s surreal. That also goes for the 70s between Columbus and CPW. I can see how someone could get mugged to be honest.

That’s awful about HK and the ATM.

On Broadway and 62nd (or 63rd - next to the old Lincoln plaza cinemas) they are doing these storefront concerts most days - with live classical music from inside an empty storefront. It’s really beautiful. Even in 28 degree weather - people will stop and listen. Not to be a raging MARY but the first time I saw it, I got teary.

by Anonymousreply 7402/12/2021

Not to speculate since I'm not a doctor, but I saw an interview with Fauci and he seems optimistic about the variants. He said that even if the current vaccines don't stop them from spreading, they do stop severe infections and hospitalizations at nearly 100% efficacy for all known variants so the harm basically goes away. Plus, pharma companies are working on booster shots to target them directly. I was more worried before this interview.

by Anonymousreply 7502/12/2021

Then why did South Africa suspend vaccinations with the millions of doses of astrazeneca it bought. Fauci is a very well known practitioner of spin. He spins to suit the public perception and the science of the moment.

by Anonymousreply 7602/12/2021

Which city is this R69?

by Anonymousreply 7702/12/2021

R76, crawl back into your anti-vaxx bunker, and shut the fuck up.

by Anonymousreply 7802/12/2021

I'm not anti-vaxx you twat, I'm reporting the dramatic news of the week. I'm taking it as soon as they will offer it to me but I'm not a senior citizen so who knows how long that will be.

by Anonymousreply 7902/12/2021


With Lincoln Center, Carnegie Hall and other performing arts venues still shut yes, west 60's and 70's from about Broadway to CPW are "dead".

From Columbus Circle area (starting at about West 57th and 8th avenue) going north past Time Warner building towards Lincoln Center is a very large tourist area. With everything shut down and tourists largely staying away only people in area are locals for most part.

Oh and remember offices are largely shut, restaurants and bars were closed to indoor dining, etc... All reasons that people would be out and about over there are gone.

In contrast during day UES from Madison to Second avenues is packed during day. Walked down to Target at 70th and Third other day, avenue was packed with all sorts of activity from construction to shoppers out and about. Target was crowded as well.....

by Anonymousreply 8002/12/2021

R79 your post at R76 sounds just like anti-vaxx conspiracy bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 8102/12/2021

One thing we've learned: New Yorkers "lower" themselves and shop at Target.

by Anonymousreply 8202/13/2021

How is London faring, London DLers? Is it a ghost town too?

by Anonymousreply 8302/13/2021

R83 like this

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Target recently opened a store on UES (Lexington Ave and 70th) that is very busy.

Maybe Target of old might have been seen as low brow tastes, but these modern stores with groceries, clothing, housewares, electronics, etc... are another matter.

Will give you in some ways these Target stores are over glorified K-mart, or Duane Reade type shops, but it does serve a purpose and seem to be doing well. Concept must be working since Target is seeking to open more stores in Manhattan and other areas of NYC.

by Anonymousreply 8502/13/2021

A friend whi takes the A train daily just told me there were two homeless people found stabbed to death, one on either end, this morning.

These crimes are so bizarre - it’s not about needing money for food...what can you steal from a homeless person?!

by Anonymousreply 8602/13/2021

^ sorry, found on the A train, I meant.

by Anonymousreply 8702/13/2021

Here’s the A train story.

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by Anonymousreply 8802/13/2021

Were the stabbings in places where DLers live?

by Anonymousreply 8902/13/2021

Someone is killing homeless crazy people.

by Anonymousreply 9002/13/2021

All South Africa is doing is trying to switch to other vaccines rather than the Astrazeneca one r76. There is a reason the Astrazeneca vaccine isn't approved in America yet.

[Quote]Instead, it will offer health workers vaccines developed by Johnson & Johnson and Pfizer/BioNTech in the coming weeks. "What does that mean for our vaccination programme which we said will start in February? The answer is it will proceed," Mkhize told an online news briefing. "From next week for the next four weeks we expect that there will be J&J vaccines, there will be Pfizer vaccines."

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R89 I think they were in Far Rockaway - which is way out in Queens by the ocean and Inwood - which is the very top of Manhattan way past Harlem. I would guess not a ton of DLers live in those places but what do I know?

I did take the subway today around 1pm in Manhattan and it felt scary empty - maybe 3-4 other people in my car. One mentally ill homeless guy without a mask got on at 34th street and was talking to himself, spitting and pacing up and down the car so I got off at union square to go to the next car and there was yet another mentally ill homeless guy without a mask - sitting and talking to himself. No cops in sight at any of the stations.

A few hours later, I was going back uptown though and the N train was packed with people - I couldn’t even get a seat.

I don’t know what the fuck is going on with the subways but it’s not good.

by Anonymousreply 9202/13/2021

They caught the A train killer.

It’s like there’s a switch in all the mentally ill people in NYC and someone switched it on to “murder.” I know rationally it’s just because less people are around, but it feels like more than that.

by Anonymousreply 9302/13/2021

72 people died in NYC from (mainly) republican intentional apathy towards the pandemic. That’s what’s going on. A worldwide pandemic. New York (as with all major international cities) can’t “bounce back” until the pandemic is declared over. And it’s not yet over. How is this thread even being entertained?

by Anonymousreply 9402/13/2021

^^ 72 ppl died yesterday

by Anonymousreply 9502/13/2021


This is what happens when people are off their meds. Can't put them away in an institution anymore, so they're out in community where hopefully their illness is kept under control.

Eighth Avenue and Broadway subway lines are like Bellevue's waiting room. Homeless and mentally ill up and down the entire line. Sadly both lines run through Upper West Side and Harlem so people in those areas have to suffer.

There is also a shit ton of group homes, supportive housing, homeless shelters, half-way houses from Chelsea going north to UWS and into Harlem and beyond.

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r96 that is a horror show

by Anonymousreply 9702/13/2021

Something needs to be done, it's terrible. We can't go back to the horror houses that used to exist for people suffering from mental issues, but they shouldn't be left to the streets either. If we were a kinder society we could figure something out, I'm sure.

by Anonymousreply 9802/13/2021


That 'naked subway" person wasn't living rough, but in a SRO/shelter on UWS not far from subway station. He ran out of his building with no clothes on and made his way toward and down into subway.

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A diagnosed schizophrenic shouldn't be living in a shelter, permanently. He should be in a properly staffed "group home". Nobody monitored him taking his meds, or delivered the meds and voila. He was unmedicated and insane everyday, getting into mischief.

by Anonymousreply 10002/13/2021

Based on the recent subway stabber, I'd say not.

by Anonymousreply 10102/13/2021

Agree with the above about the need to figure out a way to force the mentally ill into taking medication or institutions. Perhaps it’s the strain of the pandemic, but the number of mentally ill seems much higher in the past year. For a while I thought it was just that they were more obvious because of less people in the city - but now I think it’s truly a larger number of them on the streets. They are the only thing that scares me about NYC now - truly unpredictable violence.

by Anonymousreply 10202/13/2021

Probably the social workers and nurses have lost contact for one reason or another. that's what the dead guy's mother says. Nobody was delivering and monitoring his meds. and he wasn't homeless he was living long-term in an SRO for the "homeless" which is different. he wasn't living on the streets.

by Anonymousreply 10302/14/2021

There is a percentage of people who choose to live wild - not in shelters. Who refuse shelters. But there are a lot of people who would prefer to have a room and bathroom. They are people often unable to function and make a living. I am an expat in Europe. In many European countries the people who do want dignity and not to live on the street can get a "minimum" monthly income and a subsidized room. Needless to say there is also universal health care. I lived in NYC in the 80s when there was a huge messy homeless problem. Besides AIDS, it was a constant dismal fact - everyday. Homeless everywhere. One of them broke my nose. He was just flailing and smacked me in the face and kept walking. Parks had shanty town. People lived in the sewers and tunnels. Hundreds were camped in Penn Station. In the summer they sleeping all the way down 42nd street from Times Square to Fifth Avenue.

by Anonymousreply 10402/14/2021

The mother seems all about placing blame elsewhere in defense of her saint of a son. She says he wasn't getting meds "for a long time", then "two weeks", so which is it?

This unfortunate event occurred in January, by then worse of covid panic was over in city. So how did this man manage to get his meds and treatments in March through say November of 2021 or even March through September when things were really bad, then city run or whatever health/social services agency suddenly stopped in December?

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was recently downtown on many vacant shops. and majority of them tagged with graffiti.

by Anonymousreply 10602/14/2021

It’s sad that we don’t have a right to be protected from the mentally ill and violent addicts.

by Anonymousreply 10702/14/2021

R107, it’s sad Ronald Reagan radically changed policies about housing the violent and the mentally ill. You’ll have to tell him about that one day.

by Anonymousreply 10802/14/2021

Ronald Reagan was an idiot.

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I thought deinstitutionalization started in the 1970s? All those civil rights group started demanding that schizophrenics be able to give where they wanted because human rights and now 50 years later - here we are. They are living in the streets and attacking people.

And of course that mother isn’t taking any responsibility. It’s always someone else’s fault. Usually the government.

by Anonymousreply 11002/15/2021

Oh thanks for link r109. I guess it was 1980s.

by Anonymousreply 11102/15/2021

R50 yes liberals wanted deinstitutionalization of the less severe cases ON THE CONDITION that it was accompanied by halfway houses and visits by social welfare workers help them integrate fully into mainstream society.

Evil Reagan did the first and then did a Lucy football yank on Charlie for the second.

by Anonymousreply 11202/15/2021

We need to bring back institutions. Existence on the street isn’t good for them or us.

by Anonymousreply 11302/16/2021

there is not enough space in those tiny apartments for people to live and work from home. Bloomberg and Giuliani did this. Most people just live in NY for work. If you can work from home, anywhere, they leave.

So no.

by Anonymousreply 11402/16/2021

From Will & Grace:

Karen: I was walking down the street and someone came up from a hole in the ground!

Grace: That's called the subway, Karen.

by Anonymousreply 11502/16/2021

Oh that Karen. She grew up in some tenement in the Lower East Side, married some rich fatso from Long Island or something. And now she pretends she doesn't know the subway? She probably hawked her coochi in them for subway fare.

by Anonymousreply 11602/16/2021

R114, I disagree - most people don't live in NYC for work. You can always be a part of the commuter class if you need a house and a lawn to tend. People live in NYC for the social experience: they want to go to school, or be in the arts scene or the club scene, or dial into whatever the decadent uber-rich are doing.

by Anonymousreply 11702/16/2021

is there a progressive, working class migration occurring now? Are progressives moving from New York to other states? This is interesting regarding congress and better public policy.

by Anonymousreply 11802/16/2021

i disagree too r114. wtf do i need a house in the suburbs for? and a car? i can work from home just fine from my apartment in the city and go outside and take long walks. some of us don't need that much space. hence why we moved to the tiny apartments in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 11902/16/2021

New York lost it's Joie de vivre a long time ago. People just live there because their work is there. The art/literary scene is too commercial and stale. All the good artists left, or just keep a tiny apartment there, just in cause.

by Anonymousreply 12002/16/2021

R114 I think people want to live in the city for the social life.

by Anonymousreply 12102/16/2021

From the NY Post, so consider the source, but it’s interesting.

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[quote]From the NY Post, so consider the source...

What does that even mean? The facts are facts. The statistics are what they are. From those the author has drawn his conclusions. Either you agree with him or you don't.

I think he's right.

by Anonymousreply 12302/16/2021

R123 I do agree with him. I have found myself agreeing with the NYP editorials more and more.

There was a time I loathed the Post. I don’t know if I’m getting older or things are getting worse...or I’m just tired of NYC.

by Anonymousreply 12402/16/2021

R114 and R117 the pair of you don't know what you're talking about.

Plenty of New Yorkers from those in studio apartments to larger are making it a go of working from home. Others have found ways to make it work, but never the less that is a fact. Do you think everyone lives in a two bedroom with a maid's room they can convert into home office?

As for rest of it neither of you have a clue about commuting, suburban NYC living and rest.

For past several decades since Rudy Giuliani began cleaning up city making it fit for living there has been a flood of suburban persons moving in. That or those who once would have left city for suburbs once they married and or had children remained in NYC. This in particular much of Manhattan below Harlem, and Brooklyn (downtown/waterfront and now extending south past Red Hook and deep into Fort Greene, Clinton Hill, Bed-Stuy, etc...).

Have never seen so many children, babies, strollers, child minders in city. Streets on UES/UWS/Tribeca/West and Greenwich Village are full of them, and their parents.

These people either moved into city or never left are children, or grandchildren of those who did flee to suburbia from NYC decades ago. They recall their fathers leaving in the morning and not returning until late evening (sometimes not even then) and didn't want to raise their children that way. Wives in particular didn't want to be stuck out in suburbs while their husbands left on the 8:25 each morning and caught the 5:25 or 7:45 back home (again if even then).

You see this reflected in real estate market. Much if not majority of new construction during boom of past twenty years or so is large "family" sized apartments. Two to three bedroom units were what developers provided instead of the previous buildings mostly made up of studios and one bedrooms. Older buildings converted as many smaller units possible into larger family sized units.

You only have to walk around UES or UES and see tons of parents with their children and dogs to notice large part of things are totally driven by suburban style living in city.

The other thing is automobiles. People move here from suburbs and don't want to give up their cars, this as city has consistently removed parking spaces making what's left a hot commodity

by Anonymousreply 12502/16/2021

If there is a perception of crime, tourists won't return soon. No tourists = no money and higher taxes or reduced services. Time for a get tough mayor.

by Anonymousreply 12602/16/2021

They are already reducing services. They now clean from 2 to 4 am (starting Feb 22), instead of 1 to 5am. Dirty subways will be back soon!

by Anonymousreply 12702/16/2021

Until Broadway, performing arts and other entertainment venues open tourists aren't coming back to NYC in any huge numbers. There just isn't anything else that draws same large numbers.

Right now those who are coming walk around city, do some shopping and maybe hit a few cultural places, but that isn't same as seeing a concert or attending a live performance.

by Anonymousreply 12802/16/2021


Subways were only closed between 1 a.m and 5 a.m to allow for "deep cleaning" of stations and sanitizing trains. It was never about general cleaning of system that went on previously as had for years.

In fact from March through rather recently subways were remarkably clean. Huge decrease in ridership took away the trash generated by pigs too nasty to clean up after themselves and left garbage on trains and platforms.

by Anonymousreply 12902/16/2021

I guess NYers are starting to feel the reality of what “defund the cops” really means. No police presence on the subway after 5pm? That’s pitiful.

But you let all your friends know how enlightened you are by putting that black box on your Instagram that day, so it’s worth being terrified to leave your apartment.

by Anonymousreply 13002/16/2021

F&F the desperate Trumpie at R130. He lost and he’s never coming back. Lolol.

by Anonymousreply 13102/17/2021

Way to run away from the truth, R131. Call anyone who says something you don't want to hear a " desperate Trumpie." That will help the situation immensely.

by Anonymousreply 13202/17/2021

Everything in my neighborhood (Upper West Side) feels pandemic normal, but that's a low bar. I never feel unsafe, and my walks in Central Park are lovely and needed. But I think me and most of my fellow Upper West Siders mostly work from home and stay at home unless we're exercising or need something from a store or restaurant. (I haven't taken the subway or bus in a year.) It's not great fun, but it's doable. My lease came up the end of last month and I negotiated a $400/month reduction. That was a first, and if my landlord hadn't come down, I'd have moved.

The truth is many shops and restaurants were struggling BEFORE the pandemic. A lot of these closures had already happened, and of course nothing will replace those storefronts now for a long while.

NYC won't bounce back until after this pandemic, and even then it's going to be a bit of a slog. The aspects of life here that make it special -- the theatre, the cinemas, the museums, the concert halls, the clubs, the crowded restaurants, the arenas -- aren't available or are a shadow of themselves. But they shouldn't be, and the cities that aren't following health guidelines are an embarrassment to the nation.

by Anonymousreply 13302/17/2021

Having been here 17 years, I think I got quite spoiled with how safe the city was pre-COVID. I was taking the subway at midnight, walking home, felt totally fine. Now NY feels like any other big city in terms of safety. I remember living in Philadelphia before NY and being much more careful. My brother in Baltimore was always more careful than I was in NY.

For NYers - do you agree? Granted there is no reason to be out late at this point but I wouldn’t feel safe walking home in Manhattan at 10pm these days. And that’s a huge shift.

But I’m not leaving. Just an observation.

by Anonymousreply 13402/17/2021

I feel like NYC without bars is not fun. And bars are likely the last thing that will come back - and I debate if they ever will. The socializing that occurs in a bar is an essential part of young adult life in NYC. Restaurants will come back - but bars are much more critical to the social life of the city. I feel like I may have witnessed the tail end of gay social life in NYC centered around bars. It was slowly fading before Covid - this may be the death knell.

by Anonymousreply 13502/17/2021

Why would bars be the last thing to come back? As soon as vaccinations are widespread they’ll be among the first.

by Anonymousreply 13602/17/2021

Sorry R131, you may not like it, but he’s right.

Forget Trump. He’s gone and these issues remain.

by Anonymousreply 13702/17/2021

Huh? Bars will be first to come back. Young people are still hooking up and hanging out - they will return to the bars in no time? Only us eldergays would worry about the bars.

Broadway will be last. I worry about theater/dance/etc.

by Anonymousreply 13802/17/2021

NYC will bounce back when its magnet schools are 100% Black and Latino.


by Anonymousreply 13902/17/2021

We didn’t actually defund the cops though. We mainly switched services from PD to other agencies.

Nothing BdB does matters much anymore. The fate of this city rests in the hands of whoever the next mayor is.

by Anonymousreply 14002/17/2021

[Quote] The truth is many shops and restaurants were struggling BEFORE the pandemic.

True r133

by Anonymousreply 14102/17/2021

Lol no he’s not R137.

by Anonymousreply 14202/17/2021

R134, plenty of people work second and third shift. They unfortunately have to use the subway and walk the streets after dark.

by Anonymousreply 14302/17/2021

Rents are coming down for some, but many still cannot afford rents in Manhattan or other prime areas at least.

Anyone who believes they will are dreaming, it just won't happen.

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Seeds of deinstitutionalization began in 1955, gained steam in 1960's and went full throttle by 1970's. However the effort was sidetracked and derailed largely by costs as both federal government and states realized just how much providing all that community mental healthcare would cost.

Reagan and GOP did what they do best; turned what had been a federally funded program into block grants to states. The latter did what they do best, doled money out as they saw fit but often tied to politics.

Results are what you started to see in 1960's and continues now; scores if not hundreds of often severely mentally ill persons largely left on their own in community settings. There isn't enough money nor will to build supportive housing with onsite services, so these people are either homeless or placed in SRO or other hotel/apartment housing with minimal oversight.

Key thing is that mentally ill persons aren't totally indigent. They quantify for Medicaid and often host of other benefits, something not lost upon everyone from SRO/residence hotel owners, various (supposedly) non-profits and others looking to get their hands on that money.

Long story short deinstitutionalization was doomed from the start for lack of money. To further make sure there was no going back states closed and often sold off former state hospitals for insane. That or they've been repurposed or dramatically scaled down.

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by Anonymousreply 14502/17/2021

People were leaving in record numbers starting 2016/17. Crime, crowds, noise, ugly towering skyscrapers, vehicular and pedestrian traffic and bike riders not using the designated bike lanes were omnipresent as were people blabbing on or staring at their phones. With Grindr and social media nightlife dissipated, Broadway was jukebox musicals, film-stage works: Tootsie, Beetlejuice, Pretty Woman, Mean Girls all geared to tourists and corporate takeover; CVS, Walgreens, Whole Foods, Dunkin Donuts, Starbucks, Five Guys were on every block. Boring!

by Anonymousreply 14602/17/2021

r146 get the fuck out of here. where the fuck did you move to that doesn't have CVS and walgreens and bike lanes?

it's one thing hearing from people that left because of covid but when "former new yorkers" come out of the woodwork yapping about 2016 and JUKEBOX musicals... gurl please. you never intended to stay in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 14702/18/2021


I live across the river in Weehawken, NJ ten minutes from midtown. Traffic, garbage, noise, Citi Bikes, crime, mile long trucks for all the corporate chains are not common here and the homeless have not taken up residence. It's cleaner, safer, quieter. greener and saner. It's also more economical. Many people like me who worked in NY moved here where by bus, shuttle, car or ferry it's a quick commute.

Lived in NYC from 1988-2006 and the uniqueness that was NY is gone which was my point. Of course there are Walgreens here!

by Anonymousreply 14802/18/2021

R129 The subways may be cleaner but subway crime: assaults, stabbings, people pushed onto tracks or into oncoming trains has become an almost daily occurrence such much so that city activists in response are planning "safe walks" for commuters. Sounds like the Guardian Angels from the 70s and early 70s.

by Anonymousreply 14902/18/2021

^ 70s and early 80s

by Anonymousreply 15002/19/2021

R22 But what is Lurch doing about the rise in crime no matter what the reason?

by Anonymousreply 15102/19/2021

R148 moved to Weehawken in 2006 and is so busy enjoying his life there that he has time to spam every NYC thread on this board with the same complaints about garbage and CVS and crime that doesn't affect him, lol.

by Anonymousreply 15202/19/2021

Police are the ones committing the crimes

by Anonymousreply 15302/19/2021

[quote] One mentally ill homeless guy without a mask got on at 34th street and was talking to himself, spitting and pacing up and down the car so I got off at union square to go to the next car and there was yet another mentally ill homeless guy without a mask - sitting and talking to himself. No cops in sight at any of the stations.

They were the cops, lol.

Undercover, like they did with Occupy Wall Street. They use their old OWS clothes and go around frightening the people they can’t beat, imprison or kill.

by Anonymousreply 15402/19/2021

Good post r148

by Anonymousreply 15502/19/2021

R152 As someone who has easy access to NYC of course I'm interested in what happens. I've probably seen more Broadway shows in the 2019/2020 season than most New Yorkers. I'm 10 minutes from Hell's Kitchen my old neighborhood and 2 of my friends who still live there don't feel safe anymore. My chiropractor whose office was on W46th is now on Long Island and my massage therapist left for Brazil in March. Broadway will come back at the earliest in the spring of 2022 and the company I previously worked for AIG is not planning to return and even in 2016 several departments had move to North Carolina. I feel badly that the NY I loved with The Tunnel, The Limelight, Splash has been gone for a while and with the pandemic NYC is circling the drain and will not bounce back for years. Sorry if that upsets you but, I responded to the post about NYC that I still visit every couple of weeks but, just a little over a year ago I was there a couple of times a week.

by Anonymousreply 15602/19/2021

The annoying part is that the posts are repetitive, fear-mongering and limited in perspective. You have the same affliction that Fran Lebowitz has where you complain that everything is worse than it used to be, instead of recognizing that the world is constantly in flux and the value of each change is a perception. NYC is certainly facing challenges but "circling the drain" is so oversimplified.

Take The Limelight for example, it's not relevant to the current downturn, but yes, the nightlife scene has changed! But change is neutral and pandemic notwithstanding, people still enjoy their nights and weekends and have a great time. The culture has just moved to something different and you didn't follow. That's fine and even normal to experience. Complaining about it as a fault of the city when it's a personal issue is misleading though.

You fear-monger frequently about crime. It's true it has increased since last year. But you moved to NYC in 1988! Just looking at the number of murders, it was higher every single year you lived in NY than it was with 2020's uptick. And again, everything is changing. There's lots of opportunistic crime today but some economists are predicting a huge rush of big-city decadence after the vaccines. Opportunities will dry up with more crowds on the street and more political incentive to stop them.

Your other talking points which are chain stores and trash lying around are kind of unimportant? Life is about people and IMO the biggest appeal of NYC other than job opportunities is that it's one of the only places in the US dense enough to allow for the energy and buzz that it's known for. The trash and chain stores and roaches and rats don't affect that. But the stores are indicative of one of NYC's real problems which is the wealth disparity. They proliferate because only huge companies can afford the rent. So I'd give you that, but what you actually say in your posts is that the stores themselves are the issue. They don't seem that important to people, and there's always Brooklyn (until the wealth disparity moves there and fills it with chain stores too).

I feel like you probably have some good experience you can share. I also think it's a good compliment to NYC, despite what you actually say, that you still choose to build your life around the city as described in R156. But it's a pain to see the same "NY is dying" commentary on every thread that you could hear from any small-town Republican trying to make themselves feel superior.

by Anonymousreply 15702/20/2021

R157 One of the things that made NYC unique was the small independent stores , the mom and pop stores as some called them that could not in every mall and strip mall in the US. Corporate America with Bloomberg's help and enormous rent hikes put an end to those people's livelihood. If you don't want to hear about NY dying, put on your headphones and stop reading and watching the news.

by Anonymousreply 15802/20/2021

As a more ground up city, and not top down as from Giuliani's mayoralty on, new yorks buzz was more people and less corporate brand based. If you have to go to Brooklyn to escape the big stores culture, well, there's the problem right there.

by Anonymousreply 15902/20/2021

R153 and R154 have you even been to NYC? A large portion of the cops are black.

by Anonymousreply 16002/20/2021

R157 there’s good and bad. Many things are much better than they were 20 years ago. For me, it’s the off Broadway shows and the wide variety of vegan resturants! Thank you, millennials!

But lately, the subways have been frightening. The homeless problem is thrown in stark relief against the lack of tourists and commuters.

by Anonymousreply 16102/20/2021

Broadway? Vegan restaurants? I'm sorry to say this and you're probably a sweetheart but New York has too many people like you r161 and that's its downfall.

by Anonymousreply 16202/20/2021

R158 You've missed the point. I didn't say that NYC is going to be fine no matter what and that I don't want to hear news of its challenges. I said that your posts on here are not good examples of it being near death, and that you spam the same thing over and over on each post instead of contributing.

by Anonymousreply 16302/20/2021

R 163 Look at R9, R12, R41, R120, R125 and they are all saying what I've said that NYC has become a suburban mall and lacks the edge and originality it used to have. And what is nightlife now? Nightlife is dead thanks to Grindr and social media. Clubs and bars have been closing for years. The art scene? Where are the Mapplethorpes, Basquiats, Warhols, Lichtensteins? How about The Hudson Yards and The Vessel? All at an upscale mall. High Line? More empty tourist fodder.. Walk along what used to be an elevated train track! WOW! Broadway? Who will follow LaBute, Mamet, August Wilson? What Broadway musical in the last 20 years has produced a single tune that has become a standard? Chris Noth of SITC talked about this years ago. Alec Baldwin wrote an essay years ago lamenting what is disappearing in NYC. Years ago people talk about the Disneyfication of Times Square. Since 2016 NYC's population has been in decline and with headlines referring to NY as Criminal Paradise thanks to Lurch De Blasio, what's going to bring people back? The lifeblood of the city and it's culture has been in decline for a long time. That was my point.

by Anonymousreply 16402/20/2021

[R153] and [R154] have you even been to NYC? A large portion of the cops are black.

Whites are a MINORITY in the NYC police department.

by Anonymousreply 16502/20/2021

R163 See R164

Former New Yorker

by Anonymousreply 16602/20/2021

The “former New Yorkers” troll every New York thread running their mouths when the OP is almost always asking for opinions from current New Yorkers. All the screaming Marys in weehawken and Ohio and Denver get rock hard at the sight of an NYC thread and start yapping their traps about mom and pop stores dying and the horrible subway and blah blah blah New York is dead, it fucking sucks, everyone who still lives there is pathetic etc. We hear you every fucking time. Loud and clear. Enough already.

by Anonymousreply 16702/21/2021

Agree it’s not what it was - but is still the place I want to be. The people, diversity and attitude that comes from living densely with millions is uniquely NYC. Haven’t found any place else that does it for me. Hoping the pandemic let the air out of the hyper gentrification - but have a feeling people will rush back in when Covid starts to fade.

by Anonymousreply 16802/21/2021

My personal opinion is that the economy will come roaring back once the pandemic ends. It will be a new "roaring '20s" filled with very exuberant living. And then, just like 1929, there will be some sort of crash.

by Anonymousreply 16902/21/2021

R167 Live closer to Manhattan than most people who live in the Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island. I have live in, worked in and visited NYC for over 40 years. I've witnessed and experienced the changes that have gone on for decades and still do. Why is my opinion not valid? And why is your response an angry tirade that explains nothing? How long have you lived in NY? 17 years? Do you live in the city or Brooklyn?

by Anonymousreply 17002/21/2021

"All the screaming Marys in weehawken and Ohio and Denver get rock hard at the sight of an NYC thread and start yapping their traps about mom and pop stores dying and the horrible subway and blah blah blah New York is dead, it fucking sucks, everyone who still lives there is pathetic etc. We hear you every fucking time. Loud and clear. Enough already."

To be honest, we just don't care, since we have our own concerns. So, we aren't spending time worrying about you or your city. No, the posters are New Yorkers or those who recently left.

by Anonymousreply 17102/21/2021

R171 The thread is about NY and will it bounce back and by implication if and when that may happen. And what are your own concerns? Why not express those instead of going on the attack? NYC which is really the subject has lost 60 billion dollars from the lack of tourists and most landlords haven't ben receiving rents for months and many businesses are not planning to return and the spike in crime isn't helping. Those are basic facts, face them! No one is saying you should move, that's your choice. If you're happy living there even though you don't sound happy, fine.

by Anonymousreply 17202/21/2021

Latest update on NYC real estate market.....

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by Anonymousreply 17302/25/2021

I’m admittedly one of the gloaters. As recently as 18 months ago there were threads here saying how NYC was the greatest city in the US, and their citizens were somehow superior to other Americans. I’m from Texas, so took much glee in seeing the demise of NYC (still do) and the “superior” people getting taken down. Can you imagine being stuck there now? Fearing for your life just walking to pick up coffee? Regretting every decision you ever made to place you in the center of hell? And lastly, receiving the comeuppance you deserve.

by Anonymousreply 17402/25/2021

R174 lol.... Go on and gloat honey. Whatever it takes to justify living in TEXAS. You couldn’t pay me. I love living in New York City - always have and always will. Zero regrets.

Very rich to accuse New Yorkers of thinking they are superior when all you hear from the cunts in Texas is don’t mess with them and they are bigger and better with their guns and meat and bullshit unregulated power grid.

I’ll bicker with my gurl in Weehawken all day every day but when a bitch from Texas shows up.... this thread is officially done.

by Anonymousreply 17502/25/2021

^^^ This.

by Anonymousreply 17602/25/2021

R174 is from New York, pretending to be from Texas. It's too obvious.

by Anonymousreply 17702/25/2021

As soon as I am vaccinated, hopefully by late-April I'm heading to NYC for a couple of nights. Can't wait! (Yes, I will follow NYC travel protocols and continue to mask for the safety of those around me)

by Anonymousreply 17802/25/2021

True re r174. Good point.

by Anonymousreply 17902/25/2021

I'm here in NYC, doing great. We send our love.

by Anonymousreply 18002/25/2021

R174 I’ve lived here my whole life and am anxious as hell to leave. Tired of It. But I don’t fear for my life when I get coffee in the city. When you walk around, it deals pretty normal, except there is lighter foot traffic. The heavy car traffic remains. I believe the stories of the crimes obviously, but I don’t really think that when I’m walking around.

I will say I wouldn’t take the subway if it’s still empty. There were crazy/aggressive homeless people on there befire COVID obviously, but all the riders acted like a buffer. Yes, there were sometimes fights between trashy people if one person accidentally shoved someone else or whatever, but again, the dense crowd of passengers prevented escalation. Now I read the story of the homeless woman and mother who got into a fight and a baby ended up getting punched. That’s just really, really sad.

Where have all the civic minded people gone?

by Anonymousreply 18102/25/2021

Oh and r174 there will always be peope clamoring to move here, especially the young. There are countless great things about the city. I’m just tired of the urban lifestyle.

by Anonymousreply 18202/25/2021

r181 have you noticed a difference in the subway since the 80s to now? I've been here since early 2000s and always felt safe on the train but now I feel very uneasy. I guess it's because of the lack of a buffer like you said, but am curious whether the subway felt unsafe for other reasons in the 70s/80s and how you dealt with it?

I go back and forth about being tired of the urban lifestyle. I think if I had a partner, I would be fine moving out of the city but being single, I like being able to walk outside and see people. I spent some time in the suburbs over the summer and found it very lonely. Initially it was amazing, but once I got used to it, I felt isolated. Also, probably because of COVID.

by Anonymousreply 18302/25/2021

R174 Texas? Um, no. Tx and Fla, the two states I've avoided so far. But you be you.

by Anonymousreply 18402/25/2021

R183 I think the subway has gotten safer since the 80s, but I was too young to ride it until the 90s.

The subway is fine, I guess (except for this bizarre spate of pointless attacks). I’m just tired of riding it.

by Anonymousreply 18502/25/2021

You notice a difference at night, streets in Manhattan are largely devoid of traffic until things start picking up for rush hour next morning.

Took a walk around east 70's and 80's from Third to Fifth last night around 12:30 AM. Basically not a soul about except some young people trying to have fun, or rushing home. That and various service/delivery people making their way home or whatever.

Mind you with bars, restaurants and everything else forced to close by 11 pm or so there really isn't a reason to be out anyway. I mean there's no place to go or things to do anymore until late hours. Well unless you know of a private (and illegal) mass gathering or other party.

It is such a contrast to daytime when at least on UES things are all go. Construction is busy putting up or tearing down buildings. Stores are largely open, people are out and about.....

by Anonymousreply 18602/27/2021

Subways are empty. Assholes still get on without masks. But they’re very clean.

by Anonymousreply 18702/27/2021

I’m amazed at the amount of construction that continues. The massive Googleplex in the West Village for example. Or Steve Cohens mega-mansion on Perry St. These are huge investments in NYC real estate. I could only hope the market would crash and these luxury buildings become cheap enough for normal folk. But the reality is NYC will return with a slowly building roar as Covid subsides. The pent up demand for socializing and being around people is going to make NYC THE destination post-Covid. Just hoping some of my favorite bars and restaurants survive until then.

I’ve seen 3 new leases signed for restaurants near me. Seems like landlords are finally accepting reality and more reasonable rents for commercial spaces - which would be a huge change for the Village.

by Anonymousreply 18802/27/2021

There used to be a huge dropoff fee if you were moving stuff to California or Texas or New York because nobody wanted to move anything to the sticks. Now I hear it's reversed and you can get good deals in moving your stuff to NYC

by Anonymousreply 18902/27/2021

"Subways are empty"

But we're still here, serving the sandwiches that New Yorkers love.

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by Anonymousreply 19002/27/2021

A violent home invasion in Queens and another subway slashing plus and ineffectual Mayor and corrupt Governor. NY will bounce back like a bowling ball!

by Anonymousreply 19103/02/2021

[quote] Tourists have read on DL that gay men rim each other in Sodom on the Hudson. Horrified, they will not be back to visit.

Oh grow up Dorothy

by Anonymousreply 19203/02/2021

R188 all those construction projects may have been commenced or the contracts signed pre COVID. Once the contracts are signed backing out gets very difficult and expensive, its usually best to push on. Its good that landlords are becoming more realistic

R189 that is interesting - the market speaks

by Anonymousreply 19303/02/2021

I know private sector professionals who are trying to move elsewhere and work remotely. Medical Doctors and Nurses are leaving. Of course, there are those NYC never leavers.

by Anonymousreply 19403/02/2021

Walking around UES/Yorkville noticed plenty of apartments that vacated early last spring and sat empty for several months have begun to rent. Even the crappy ground floor units in five or six story walk up tenements that face street (over garbage bins) have rented.

Going by window decorations and from what can be seen from street it's the same as always has been for such units. Two or more young people renting as roommates. Or in some cases a single person....

Covid madness seems to be dying out among many, and for the young who formerly were forced far out to less savory parts of east Brooklyn, or way out in Queens now is a good time to find an apartment in Manhattan.

Yorkville no longer is the no man's land it once was thanks to the Second Avenue subway so there's that as well.

by Anonymousreply 19503/02/2021

Yorkville resident here and can attest it's a great neighborhood. Safe, quiet but consistently people around, not as many aggressive fraus/strollers as the UWS and easy access now with the Q train. And close to Central Park and Carl Schurz.

Yorkville DLers unite - I love that there are a handful of us on here.

by Anonymousreply 19603/03/2021

R195 Glad that the Second Avenue subway is done, I remember the noise from the construction and the traffic and how it caused people to leave the neighborhood but, ironically people are wary of using the subway now and understandably so. Is Yorkville still the whitest naborhood in the city. A few years back the population was 76% white.

by Anonymousreply 19703/03/2021

R197 Today the whitest neighborhood is Tribeca. Home to wealthy liberal elites.

by Anonymousreply 19803/03/2021

The population in NY has been declining since 2010 and NY could lose up to 2 congressional seats. In 2019, pre pandemic NY was #1 in population decrease in the nation. A trend that shows no signs of abating.

by Anonymousreply 19903/03/2021

lol FNY. go off queen. keep feeding us those facts. teach us a lesson.

by Anonymousreply 20003/03/2021

NY rents have rebounded and are up 4% month over month.

They are down still for the year but heading back up now.

Looks like the party is over.

by Anonymousreply 20103/03/2021

Texas is a shithole.

They don’t even have running water or electricity.

I mean come on.

by Anonymousreply 20203/03/2021

R200 Why so angry? Who is "us"? You really need to find a husband instead of feeding trolls. Remember those who troll trolls are trolls.

by Anonymousreply 20303/03/2021

He gives new meaning to the word “Wilhelmstrasse.”

by Anonymousreply 20403/03/2021

lol FNY i'm not angry at all - stop projecting. i like all your facts and figures.

and honey i have a husband. xx

by Anonymousreply 20503/03/2021


"Facts are stupid things."

by Anonymousreply 20603/03/2021

[quote] Texas is a shithole.

San Francisco had literal shit in the street even before COVID-19.

by Anonymousreply 20703/03/2021

[quote]Who is "us"?

Those of us that you are trolling, FNY/r203. (I'm not r200). You're an annoying little twerp. Tiresome.

At least now you've admitted that you're a troll. Everyone should F&F your every signature. I doubt that you even lived in NYC.

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by Anonymousreply 20803/03/2021

R208 Face facts you're a troll. And who's coming to NYC in April? Theaters need to be filled to near capacity in order to make a profit and tourists like half of US citizens polled said they did not feel safe going back to "normal" even after the vaccine, It may be a jump start but the vehicle is dead! Wishful thinking.

by Anonymousreply 20903/03/2021

R205 Just last week at R183 you said you didn't have a partner. So I'm sorry if I assumed but, are partner and husband 2 different things?

by Anonymousreply 21003/03/2021

R208 I doubt you "live" in NY; you just exist. Look at R9 R47, R58, R125, R133,R135 and they are saying what I said at R146. NY has been changing for the worse for 20 years. Beige, Cake, Jackie 60, The Limelight, The Tunnel, 10th Avenue Lounge, Barracuda, Crowbar, Splash are long gone. Chelsea, The Village, UWS, East Village gentrified and suburbanized. 30 years ago people protested the building of NYCs first K-Mart on Astor Place now it's the norm. I really "lived" in NY. I lived in a different NY than the one that exists now.

Oh, and I guess you gurls have banned me from the Cashmere Sweater Club. Oh, my!

by Anonymousreply 21103/03/2021

R158 the problem is current New Yorkers like R205 and R208 have only experienced the bland and boring NYC and can't imagine what is was like before the Adderall zombies arrived walking the streets talking and staring at their phones.

by Anonymousreply 21203/04/2021

Things will never be back to normal. There are so many empty stores! It's very bad.

The subway is not safe. People are getting slashed, stabbed, pushed etc every day.

Just yesterday 2 people were slashed at 59th and lexington station (n and r line).

Still seeing moving vans every day.

by Anonymousreply 21303/04/2021

The five boroughs are losing population at a rapid clip. Suburbs of New York are gaining residents, but The City is becoming a ghost town.

New York is a tourist town. When the theaters and museums and restaurants are all closed, tourists stay away. Another year of shut downs and Manhattan will be a bad zombie flick.

by Anonymousreply 21403/04/2021

I imagine it will take at least 5 years for things to be slightly normal.

by Anonymousreply 21503/04/2021

R9 For many current New Yorkers like R174 the bland, corporate NY is all they know. It's the land of Whole Foods, Starbucks, Walgreens, Five Guys and Target and they think it's the greatest city and if you're from Petticoat Junction maybe it is. I remember going to Times Square on New Years in the 80s at 10:30 pm and it wasn't a problem. No bag checks, no being herded in and having to arrive at noon! It was simpler and more fun. 3 terms of Bloomberg was one of the worst things to happen to NY.

by Anonymousreply 21603/04/2021

r216 ^ New Year's Eve. Stood under the marque of the Criterion Theater where Tequila Sunrise (1988) was playing and watched the ball drop.

by Anonymousreply 21703/04/2021

I bet Broadway will have sellout crowds once we're all vaccinated. Looking forward to buying some tickets to anything.

by Anonymousreply 21803/04/2021

[quote] 3 terms of Bloomberg was one of the worst things to happen to NY.

I agree.

by Anonymousreply 21903/04/2021

"Looking forward to buying some tickets to anything."

Looking forward to your buying a ticket to see the revival of my play, which has been hailed as the greatest theatrical work in history.

by Anonymousreply 22003/05/2021

My understanding from DataLounge is that all the bad stuff happening is pretty limited to a small part of the city that DataLoungers do not frequent.

by Anonymousreply 22103/05/2021

Well I just blocked the FNY troll and at least 20 posts beautifully vanished from this thread.

by Anonymousreply 22203/05/2021

Broadway won’t be selling out for awhile and that includes this fall when they supposedly think they’ll be back. It will be years before a recovery and even then it won’t be to be pre-pandemic levels. Same for Lincoln Center and other arts organizations. The Met, Carnegie, Philharmonic and NYCB will not be opening at full capacity in the fall, and when they do, likely sometime in later 2022, the audiences which are comprised mostly of ancient senior citizens will not return at the levels they were at. The complete fall out for the arts in this country is nowhere near to being fully understood. It is absolutely disastrous.

by Anonymousreply 22303/05/2021

[quote][R208] I doubt you "live" in NY; you just exist. Look at [R9] [R47], [R58], [R125], [R133],[R135] and they are saying what I said at [R146]. NY has been changing for the worse for 20 years. Beige, Cake, Jackie 60, The Limelight, The Tunnel, 10th Avenue Lounge, Barracuda, Crowbar, Splash are long gone. Chelsea, The Village, UWS, East Village gentrified and suburbanized. 30 years ago people protested the building of NYCs first K-Mart on Astor Place now it's the norm. I really "lived" in NY. I lived in a different NY than the one that exists now.

Bitch, (r211) please. I've been here from the 70s. I was shooting pool at Splash when the first Broadway Bares happened. I lived in the East Village and ran an after hours club there. I remember Chameleon, Boy Bar, Aztec, Pyramid, and I could go on, but the point is this: even if those places still existed, I wouldn't be frequenting them. That was decades ago. Now, I am more inclined to go to museums, walk in parks, beach comb, work in the community garden. I'm doing more than exist. I'm thriving.

When the bars and restaurants come trickling back, I'll be here. For someone who seems to have enjoyed NYC so much during a specific time from, you seem to enjoy even more shitting all over it now.

by Anonymousreply 22403/05/2021

I kind of want to go to the movies when they reopen at reduced capacity. Is that crazy? With a KN95 - if I go at an off time?

I never thought I would miss going to the movies but here we are.

by Anonymousreply 22503/05/2021

Personally I would say get vaccinated first r225, then go see as many movies as your heart desires.

by Anonymousreply 22603/05/2021

R224 I also stopped going out as I got older. I too loved the Pyramid, Boy Bar et al.

But I also get r211 is saying. Even though dinner parties and art openings became more my thing I also starting sensing the loss of the edge among the young people coming in, year after year.

As the city became increasingly expensive only rich kids could come here. There was less and less room for experimentation, exploration, and their necessary corollary, failure.

by Anonymousreply 22703/05/2021

[quote] A violent home invasion in Queens

It was a push-in robbery. Everyone is so dramatic these days. In my day you looked both ways before you put your key in the lock & you made sure no one was around. It’s been so safe for so many years that fraus don’t even do basic reconnaissance anymore. Bish, LOOK. Use your eyes & your common sense.

by Anonymousreply 22803/05/2021

But are there any DLers in Queens to start with?

by Anonymousreply 22903/05/2021

R227 You're thriving good for you but many have been leaving for years pre pandemic and decades ago a shift from Manhattan to Brooklyn occurred for a reason: socially and culturally and financially the city changed an people decide to move on. Enjoy! Don't take it personally, everyone has their own unique experiences and NY no longer works for some and as you and Fran Lebowitz know, it has changed drastically since 9/11 and Bloomberg. And it's the homeless that are shitting on NY!

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by Anonymousreply 23103/05/2021

R228 Yeah, and be that as it may the news stories of violent crime on the streets and subways in NY isn't going to help bring tourists and businesses back. Who wants to come to a place where you feel you can't let your guard down?

by Anonymousreply 23203/05/2021

R222 Says the person with the imaginary husband who has 23 posts on this thread and needs to announce blocking someone to the world!

by Anonymousreply 23303/05/2021

8 people injured as van crashes into makeshift outdoor dining facility. You are literally dining on the street where cars were usually parked and are a foot away from traffic with a piece of plastic between you and disaster. On 10th Avenue between 43 and 44th there is outdoor dining on both sides of the street forcing traffic into 2 lanes. Some streets like 46th Street aka Restaurant Row are blocked to vehicular traffic but many major streets can't do that. Disaster seems imminent..

by Anonymousreply 23403/05/2021

R85 Target boutique on ground floor of new building10th between 44/45th street on the site that was the Hess gas station for decades, It's he malling of Manhattan

by Anonymousreply 23503/06/2021

I will never spend one tourist dollar in NYC ever again. NY should get congressional seats taken away. Your leadership is shady and seems to be owned by the mob. Crime is rampant and basic food and services are exorbitantly priced. There’s no reason to live there or pay those prices since the “magic of NYC” is gone and “the greatest city in the US” monikers are now untrue. Nothing lasts forever and defending the credibility of NYC just proves your ignorance.

by Anonymousreply 23603/06/2021

^^^ resident of Podunk.

by Anonymousreply 23703/06/2021

“NYC is so over.”

by Anonymousreply 23803/06/2021

Opening up but crime is bouncing back. The head of the MTA said he was afraid to let his children ride the subway. 2 pedestrians killed in separate vehicular accidents, 18 year old hit smashed in the with bottle on subway platform, 34 year old beaten to death in East Harlem, 15 year old stabbed in broad daylight in Brooklyn . . .The Big Crapple as it's now known.

by Anonymousreply 23903/13/2021

You're right about one thing, R239. You're a fucking clown.

by Anonymousreply 24003/13/2021

No kidding, r240! r239 is "Former New Yorker", who started this thread and is responsible for a rather large percentage of its posts. It's baffling, really. Is he longing for the New York of his youth? Angry that an ever-changing city isn't the same as it was decades ago?

Such an odd idée fixe.

by Anonymousreply 24103/13/2021

R241, you can smell the failure off these sad cases like R239 who couldn't hack NYC and now attempt to trash it. Pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 24203/13/2021

R239 R240 I'm not angry nor did I start this thread. The city is not the gay mecca it was. Neighborhoods have been gentrified and taken over by fraus with strollers others have said this on several thread about NY. People feel the same way about the Pines in FI; too many straight people now. My feelings are not uncommon; just watch the documentary with Fran Lebowitz. The culture changed in the post 9/11 Bloomberg era which created a boom for real estate that drove people and small businesses out and corporate chains took over.

I was in the city Wednesday had lunch with friends at the Sullivan Street Bakery in Chelsea and got my haircut at the place I've been going to for 15 years. I didn't start this thread and why not ignore me since you see so easily triggered. I was happy that one of my favorite restaurants in HK 44th and 10th was reopening and it has plenty of outdoor seating on the sidewalk. Crime has continued to rise, the subways appear dangerous and many former NY restaurant owners have been opening in Delray Beach and Fort Lauderdale.

Since you seem so easily triggered why not ignore me? Why attack me or do dime store psychoanalysis.

by Anonymousreply 24303/13/2021

Sure, Jan R243. And if you know anything about Fran Lebowitz, you would know that she wouldn't live anywhere else but NYC--unlike you, a "former New Yorker."

by Anonymousreply 24403/13/2021

R241 You're angry and it's called projection when you transfer those feelings to others. Why do you take things so personally? I've never attacked you. I don't really care what you think and why do you care what I think? I accept change but I don't have to like it and I like many others left NY. The downward trend in population started pre pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 24503/13/2021

R245, clearly anyone like you who posts unrelentingly negative assessments of NYC repeatedly on a thread has issues with NYC. Why bother to bitch about NYC if you don't really care?

by Anonymousreply 24603/13/2021

And all the while making the statement you're a "FNY."

by Anonymousreply 24703/13/2021

R244 Did you watch the documentary? On Bill Maher she said it wasn't that she like LA more than she used to but rather she likes NY less than she used to. And realistically, where else could this chain smoking, non cell phone owner, Oscar Wilde look alike live? In the doc she doesn't like the ethos of current New Yorkers, Citi bikes, the ugly buildings or De Blasio.

by Anonymousreply 24803/13/2021

R246 You are proof of how unexciting life in NY has become. It isn't that the places I went to no longer exist but nothing interesting or comparable was put in their place unless you thrill to a new Target in HK? And the boring Adderall zombies addicted to their phones aren't the most interesting of people and here you are on a Saturday in the Greatest City in the World on DL responding to me!

by Anonymousreply 24903/13/2021

F247 Well I was a Manhattanite for 18 years, live 10 minutes from Midtown across the Hudson and worked in Manhattan until 2015 and still frequented NY until the pandemic. So I have witnessed and experienced the changes in NYC over the a number of years and unless you have lived there or worked there over a period of 27 years as I have, how would you know what it was like? Why triggered that I sign FNY?

by Anonymousreply 25003/13/2021

R240 see R250 Well non-entity anonymous 240,42.43, 46,47 That smell is not failure but the crotch rot in you mother's basement. You should analyze why you are wasting a Saturday night responding to a a pathetic, negative failure who couldn't hack it in NY according to you. My answer to anything you have to say is:

Sure Jan

Sure Jan

Sure Jan

by Anonymousreply 25103/14/2021

I've lived in Manhattan since the 1960s. Of course, it's not the same as it was. No place is. It's still a better place to live than most.

by Anonymousreply 25203/14/2021

[quote][R241] You're angry and it's called projection when you transfer those feelings to others. Why do you take things so personally? I've never attacked you. I don't really care what you think and why do you care what I think? I accept change but I don't have to like it and I like many others left NY. The downward trend in population started pre pandemic.

I'm not angry, I'm baffled. Also, I'm r208. You most certainly attacked me when you posted at r211, when you projected that I could not possibly be "living" in NYC. You've attacked many ("crotch rot in your mother's basement"?), and your posts make up roughly 10% of this thread. It's just weird to me that you spend so much time spreading bad news about a city that you used to love. I respond because I want to understand why you are trying to get others to feel the same way that you do. What's your upside here?

by Anonymousreply 25303/14/2021

I went to bed while FNY continued her rant about NYC at R248/R249/R250, while making the suggestion that Lebowitz is down on NYC just because she "likes it less." All FNY does is berate NYC for not being the city she nostaligically remembers it as, while not acknowledging what people who've lived here longer than 18 years love it for.

Frankly, no one cares one iota if FNY ever returns to NYC or that she ever moved to NYC to begin with. My life in NYC, after a lot more than 18 years, of living here, is the same: I'm quite content. And if people don't like where they live, they should leave. But usually they don't keep bitching about where they used to live, as FNY does, because her ass is chapped.

by Anonymousreply 25403/14/2021

R253 It's called responding in kind. If you are New Yorker or just a DLer you better develop a tougher skin.

by Anonymousreply 25503/14/2021

R254 But you care enough to make me the topic. You doth protest too much! Your concern is showing.

Sure Jan

Sure Jan

Sure Jan

by Anonymousreply 25603/14/2021

FNY, you're responsible for a quarter of this thread at this point. And believe me, hunty--I have quite a tough skin, unlike you, who couldn't hack NYC and ran to NJ and have been bitching about NYC ever since. LMFAO!

by Anonymousreply 25703/14/2021

Disturbing Video Shows 3 Men Attack NYC Sanitation Worker with a Bat, Steal His Phone NY Post 3/11/21

Bloody Night in NY Leaves 2 Men Dead Two More Wounded NY Post 3/12/21

Only in NY kids, only in New York! Woman Stabs Taser Wielding 14 Year Old During Argument in NYC Subway Station NY Post 3/13/21

by Anonymousreply 25803/14/2021

It's not only in NYC, R258. Do you pay attention to the crime stats in Chicago? Philly? They're worse. Really, girls--if you're so afraid of NYC, stay away!

by Anonymousreply 25903/14/2021

R259 Has NY City Bounced Back? Leave Chicago alone!

by Anonymousreply 26003/14/2021

Chicago Shootout Leaves at Least Two Dead at South Side Party

NY Post 3/14/2021

Feel better R259?

I don't live near nor have I visited Chicago in over 20 years. Why should I or you care. Whataboutism isn't going to bring tourists or businesses back to NYC. And I'm not afraid to visit NY as I was there last Wednesday and will be there Thursday. Why concern yourself with Philly or Chicago?

by Anonymousreply 26103/14/2021

Because NYC was singled out in the R258 post, which mentioned subway crime in NYC and said "only in NYC." I posted saying that's bullshit. Do try to keep up.

by Anonymousreply 26203/14/2021

Illegal 'pop up' Party in Brooklyn Ends with 5 people Shot

ABC News

Focus on your your own problems New York! You're no better than us!

by Anonymousreply 26303/14/2021

It's the implication that NYC is more crime ridden than these other cities that's the point. Are you illiterate?

by Anonymousreply 26403/14/2021

R264 The the head of the NY MTA stated that he is afraid for his children to ride the subway. I'm sure it's a consolation to him knowing Chicago is even more dangerous.

by Anonymousreply 26503/14/2021

And why does that concern you, Former New Yorker? Why concern yourself with New York City?

by Anonymousreply 26603/14/2021

I have been on Zillow every day since June thinking about moving back there. Some Upper East Side apartments are actually reasonable.

by Anonymousreply 26703/14/2021

New York remains one the safest cities. Safer than DC, Chicago, LA, Houston etc.

I'll never stop being amused by people shocked than you can find crime in a major city. Stick to the burbs if you can't handle living in a city.

by Anonymousreply 26803/14/2021

Hear hear, R268. That's essentially the point. Cities have--shock!--crime!

And FNY can't seem to decide what she hates most about NYC--the fact that it's become homogenized and gentrified, or that crime is now up. Any excuse, apparently, to drag NYC from her perch in NJ.

by Anonymousreply 26903/14/2021


What fucking site do you think you're posting on?

You're a cunt nobody quotes!

Are you all morons?

Your faux outrage is tiresome!

You type dumb!

R264 Types angry troll! Nice that she spends so much precious time responding to idiots, clowns, illiterates, and cunts. She loves those cunts!

It's not him you fucking idiot!

She's sharper than a lot of the dullards here!

What a bunch of stupid cunts troll here!

So boring to have to explain Fran's appeal to dimwits!

You jealous cunt!

I'd say you are the ones who are boring and repetitious and irrelevant . . .

by Anonymousreply 27003/14/2021

R266 Why concern yourself with me? I'm not the topic of this thread. Why not go to 44th and 10th it just reopened or stroll or cycle in Central Park or Riverside Park or see if there is a pop up show in Times Square . . .

You type basement dweller!

by Anonymousreply 27103/14/2021

Hey, Ronny at R271, and despite what you seem to think, I have no concern for you (but you already knew that). And I'm not nearly as obsessed with that rather mediocre restaurant you seem to love at 44andX, and in fact, I've been out today. But I also have a high floor and a balcony, so I'm also not a basement dweller. But you're the one who signs off as a fast-food clow, so there's that.

by Anonymousreply 27203/14/2021





by Anonymousreply 27303/14/2021

^^^The clown, again.^^^

by Anonymousreply 27403/14/2021

Woman, 68, Punched in Random Attack in Greenwich Village Attack

1010 Wins 2hrs ago

by Anonymousreply 27503/14/2021

2 Injured after Gunfire Exchange on Major Deegan Expressway Exit 5 Mott Haven section Bronx

Eyewitness News 2mins ago

by Anonymousreply 27603/14/2021

Expressway shooting. So don't walk around on the expressway.

by Anonymousreply 27703/14/2021

Innocent Mom Killed by Stray Bullet as Violence Soars in NYC

Sunday Post 3/14/2021

by Anonymousreply 27803/14/2021

Protestors Damages Outdoor Dining Barrier in Manhattan, Man Cut on Face

7 Eyewitness News 13mins ago

by Anonymousreply 27903/14/2021

R277 Idiot, no one was walking on the expressway! And don't walk around Greenwhich Village or eat outdoors in Midtown. Stay in your basement Jan!

by Anonymousreply 28003/14/2021

"Idiot, no one was walking on the expressway!"

Oh dear, Ronny--who exactly is the idiot?

And who says "Greenwich Village"? A hick clown?

by Anonymousreply 28103/14/2021

All those shootings in "Greenwich Village" or "Midtown"!

by Anonymousreply 28203/14/2021

For some of us new York has lost something amazing, for others it still means a lot. It is not the city only. It is us. What we did. What we do. What we live for. It's a different city for every one of us.

by Anonymousreply 28303/14/2021

For some of us who actually live here (maybe even a lot of us who live here), New York has lost nothing, amazing or otherwise. That's maybe why we're still here, and others left. But blaming NYC for the effects of a pandemic is as shallow as so many people posting here, none of whom actually inhabit NYC.

by Anonymousreply 28403/14/2021

R281 R282 The news reporter referred to it a Greenwich Village and nowhere did I see or say that anyone was shot in "the Village" or Midtown. The shootings occurred in Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx though the night is till young and that could change.

by Anonymousreply 28503/14/2021

R267 After what has occurred in the city over the weekend, you may find rentals have become even more affordable.

by Anonymousreply 28603/14/2021

R267, I recommend NYC--it's better than NJ, where you look across the water and grow bitter, like FNY.

by Anonymousreply 28703/14/2021

R287 Good, but you don't convincingly sound like someone who is enjoying it and you are trying too hard to persuade the clowns, cunts, idiots and dimwits on DL that you are! You could live in Plattsburg and do as much!

by Anonymousreply 28803/14/2021

People are miserable in New York right now. It's no fun. Hopefully it will improve soon. We need New York. At least during our lifetime.

by Anonymousreply 28903/14/2021

"but you don't convincingly sound like someone who is enjoying it"

Really, R288? Did you miss my post where I said I'm quite content? And all my posts defending NYC against people like you, who don't live here? It's not like I'm trying to recruit people. In fact, I'd like fewer people living here.

People are. miserable everywhere at the moment, R289.

by Anonymousreply 29003/14/2021

Oh dear Lord - make this stop.

It’s been interesting to see how extreme the bounce back will be - based on the warm weather this past week. The under 30s are out getting raging drunk and partying like I heavens seen in a long time.

by Anonymousreply 29103/14/2021

I hope the rents continue to go down. I saw some listings where they were increased by 50 bucks. Also a lot of warehousing going on...meaning they "warehouse" the empty apts so there is less available apts in the market.

by Anonymousreply 29203/14/2021

Isn't it St. Patrick's Day, R291?

by Anonymousreply 29303/14/2021

I love the defenders throwing pink paint all over the overall situation in the city. When in truth, most posts call it what it is. Simply dreadful.

by Anonymousreply 29403/14/2021

"throwing pink paint all over the overall situation"

Is that good or bad? I've never heard of "throwing pink paint".

by Anonymousreply 29503/14/2021

R294, another who doesn't live in NYC and pretends to be all knowing about what it means to live in the city on a daily basis.

by Anonymousreply 29603/14/2021

The bottom line: everyone on this thread who attacks NYC doesn't live in NYC.

by Anonymousreply 29703/14/2021

Oh and by the way, come summer, when the vaccine has been administered to a large swath of the population and tourists flood NYC, this thread will be a quaint remnant. And fall, Broadway will open.

by Anonymousreply 29803/14/2021

But FNY will still be living in NJ! LMFAO!

by Anonymousreply 29903/14/2021

R299 I live a mere 10 minutes away from Midtown closer than most people who live in the Bronx, Queens, Staten Island, Brooklyn and even Inwood. I have all the advantages: lower taxes, more room, it's greener, cleaner, quieter, much less crowded and safer. I can go to NY when I want and leave it all behind when I want. Don't waste time and pity on me.

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by Anonymousreply 30103/14/2021

R300, I live in the heart of HK in a highrise with a balcony and a view of everything from the Hudson to Times Square.

by Anonymousreply 30203/14/2021

R302 If I wanted to live in NY I could but, having lived there I don't want to live there now even with the drop in rental prices. My friend lived in a high rise in HK with a balcony on the SW corner of 43rd and 10th and moved to North Carolina 10 years ago and has no desire to come back. And none of your 26 posts have convinced me.

by Anonymousreply 30303/14/2021

Is there fun stuff to do in NYC right now?

by Anonymousreply 30403/14/2021

R304- Yes. Wait in a 45 line to get into Fairway on the Upper West Side.

by Anonymousreply 30503/14/2021

Really! Are you being facetious? Haven't been up there in a long time but, one the pandemic silver linings is that the city is less crowded. I was at the Citarella's in Greenwich Village Wednesday and it wasn't crowded. Years ago I stopped going to Whole Foods. The one E57th and the one on 7th in Chelsea because were always so overcrowded and the check out lines ridiculously long.

by Anonymousreply 30603/14/2021

R303, I'm not interestred in convincing you or your friend. My life in NYC is wonderful. Sorry.

by Anonymousreply 30703/14/2021

Blocking FNY has turned this thread into a crew of New Yorkers defending the city and I love it.

I will say rents seem to be rising a bit. I noticed the landlord of my building raised the rent $200 for an apartment I rented last month (exact same layout different floor).

Still deals to be had for sure though. Poster above - come to the UES! If you’re looking for quiet, safe and decidedly uncool - it’s the place to be. I love it over here.

by Anonymousreply 30803/14/2021

R307 Thou dost protest too much.

by Anonymousreply 30903/14/2021

On the contrary,R309. NYC is just fine.

by Anonymousreply 31003/14/2021

To be clear: we in NYC are just fine.

by Anonymousreply 31103/14/2021

17 Year Old Shot Dead, Two Others Wounded in Brooklyn

NYPost 9:10pm

by Anonymousreply 31203/14/2021

R311 Clear as mud!

by Anonymousreply 31303/14/2021

R297 Distance can offer a more objective view.

by Anonymousreply 31403/14/2021

R284 Are you blind., illiterate or slow? Or in denial like Cuomo and De Blasio?

by Anonymousreply 31503/14/2021

R308 Mrs Yorkville How many times are you and your imaginary husband/partner going to block me?

by Anonymousreply 31603/14/2021

R264 Not illiterate, informed. In 2019 NYC had a 72.6% higher crime rate compared to other US cities but, after this past weekend . to say nothing of the last 8 months . . .

by Anonymousreply 31703/14/2021

So, R317, what is your connection to NYC?

by Anonymousreply 31803/14/2021

Waiting, R317.

by Anonymousreply 31903/14/2021

R319 Are you a New Yorker? You must be you sound impatient!

Look at what I posted at R243 and R250 FNY FYI

by Anonymousreply 32003/14/2021

So, Ronald McDonDonald is the same poster as FNY.

by Anonymousreply 32103/14/2021

No it's not "back", they all moved, together with their co-travelers from urban California, to nice "red" cities like Nashville, Austin, and Boise to begin the process of turning them into nightmare dystopian shitholes, too.

by Anonymousreply 32203/14/2021

R321 Yes

by Anonymousreply 32303/14/2021

I actually live in n NYC. In a high-rise with a balcony. In HK. Sorry, loser who doesn't.

by Anonymousreply 32403/14/2021

R269 My mind is made up: it's both the rise in crime and the gentrification. Why does it have to be either or? Both are reasons that NY has lost its appeal.

by Anonymousreply 32503/14/2021

Sure, Jan R325.

by Anonymousreply 32603/14/2021

Meanwhile I enjoy my view.

by Anonymousreply 32703/14/2021

R327 So your life is about a view?

by Anonymousreply 32803/14/2021

[quote]Blocking FNY has turned this thread into a crew of New Yorkers defending the city and I love it.

I confess that I find the creature's pathology fascinating, though, r208. I spent the day beach-combing and watching surfers.

Then, I had pizza and went home. A glorious NYC day.

by Anonymousreply 32903/14/2021

You should see it.

by Anonymousreply 33003/14/2021

[quote]Blocking FNY has turned this thread into a crew of New Yorkers defending the city and I love it.

Whoops! I meant r308! Good on ya, fellow New Yorker!

by Anonymousreply 33103/14/2021

It beats NJ.

by Anonymousreply 33203/14/2021

It beats NJ.

by Anonymousreply 33303/14/2021

R332 R333 How would you know? When did you live here?

by Anonymousreply 33403/14/2021

I currently live here.

by Anonymousreply 33503/14/2021

And it beats NJ.

by Anonymousreply 33603/14/2021

R239 Lucky you. You didn't get sliced, punched, pushed or shot!

by Anonymousreply 33703/14/2021

F329 So going to the beach and having pizza can only happen in NY?

by Anonymousreply 33803/14/2021

You're coming undone, dear r338. I said nothing of the kind.

by Anonymousreply 33903/14/2021

All these sad people who hate NYC.

by Anonymousreply 34003/14/2021

If you use trolldar, r340, I think you'll find that there's only a few, and most of them are FNY/Ronald McDonald, who is inexplicably quoting himself in r337.

Too bad that he didn't get to watch hot surfers in NYC today.

by Anonymousreply 34103/14/2021

R329 So having pizza and going to the beach is a glorious day in NY? Is that supposed to make someone envious? Hardly activities unique to NY. Wasn't it windy at the beach? What beach did you go to? Hopefully you didn't take the subway. Or instead of a slice you might have been sliced.

by Anonymousreply 34203/14/2021

R339 Correction it's NY that is coming undone.

by Anonymousreply 34303/14/2021

[quote]Too bad that he didn't get to watch hot surfers in NYC today.


by Anonymousreply 34403/14/2021

....and you're talking to yourself again, dear r343. Is that because you have no one else to talk to? Aw, darlin'. I'll talk to you.

[quote][R329] So having pizza and going to the beach is a glorious day in NY?

It was today, yes.

[quote]Is that supposed to make someone envious?

That is never my intention. I was just sharing my day

[quote]Wasn't it windy at the beach?

Sure was! Sunny, too!

[quote]Hopefully you didn't take the subway. Or instead of a slice you might have been sliced.

You sound quite deranged, you know.

by Anonymousreply 34503/14/2021

R345 You type humorless. And no, many people take the time out of their glorious day to respond to me.

by Anonymousreply 34603/14/2021

R340 and how sad that New Yorkers take it to heart. Did it ever occurred to that very happy people might hate NY?

by Anonymousreply 34703/14/2021

R345 And why are you sharing your happy day on this thread by the way? Do you have no one to talk to and share?

by Anonymousreply 34803/14/2021

R340 should read

did it ever occur to you . . .?

And no I don't think it did.

by Anonymousreply 34903/14/2021

[quote][R345] You type humorless.

Au contraire! I find you hilarious, r346.

[quote][R345] And why are you sharing your happy day on this thread by the way? Do you have no one to talk to and share?

I'm a giver.

by Anonymousreply 35003/14/2021

R350 Since the underlying theme of this thread seems to be that those who don't agree that NYC is bouncing back triggers accusations of never having been to or lived in NYC or of being jealous (or deranged) and by describing your "glorious" day in NY it had that feel. And I find it hilarious how many people instead of talking about the topic become mean girls and sound like catty 8th graders with one poster who has mentioned several times her high rise in HK with a balcony and a view as if there's nothing that can top that as well as those who claim to not care what I have to say but nonetheless keep reading and responding to what I say!

by Anonymousreply 35103/14/2021

[quote]Sure was! Sunny, too!

New York is an incredible sunspot. The combination of that NY sun, blue skies and being on the edge of that vast ocean makes it an incredible energy centre. It will always bounce back.

They need a new mayor (so do we in London, we have a swine - pray for us).

by Anonymousreply 35203/14/2021

R352 De Blasio is ineffectual and has not addressed the soaring spike in crime but rather issues statements about Cuomo needing to resign! Lurch De Blasio wants to be Governor I fear.

by Anonymousreply 35303/14/2021

R352, you get it, thanks. NYC has great snowstorms, too. We ain't exactly bouncing back. Covid took the wind out of everyone's sails. but we're definitely coming back. Still here, still adapting. That's what cities do, and why the simples joys of a walk on the beach and pizza al fresco with friends after is so important right now.

Good luck with your mayor. Ours isn't such a prince, either. That is a common ground that r353 and I share, though I won't stoop to schoolyard insults based on DeBlasio's physical appearance (besides, Lurch was a cool dude). I think Cuomo is a bully and a boor, but I don't think he should resign, either.

R351, how utterly bizarre that my describing the joy I experienced yesterday "had that feel" for you (whatever that means). Sometimes a walk in the beach and pizza is just a walk on the beach and a pizza (this place does not serve slices). It wasn't intended to make you "envious", or say that it was purely a New York experience, or anything else at all. Simple joys in a complicated city.

[quote][R340] and how sad that New Yorkers take it to heart. Did it ever occurred to that very happy people might hate NY?

In my experience, "very happy people" don't tend to harbor much hate. It's a poor use of time.

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by Anonymousreply 35403/14/2021

Some of us would like posters to share actual information on this thread instead of fighting back and forth.

And we can do without the police blotter upthread.

What’s going on in the city. Share some more stories. Is it setting pick up again? Hope on the horizon?

Details please.

by Anonymousreply 35503/14/2021

R354 You do type humorless. You sound like an old scold. And you don't sound like a giver more like a receiver.

by Anonymousreply 35603/14/2021

R355 You are not the boss of me. Why not go out in NY and find out what's going on and engage with like-minded people instead of being such a controlling bottom on DL

by Anonymousreply 35703/15/2021

Point taken, r355. There are some theatrical pop ups happening. A couple days ago, there was an event at TKTS in Times Square, with Andre DeShields, Tom Viola, and others. SIX, a Broadway show that was to open the day Broadway shut down. released a commercial. These are small things, but that's how it starts. NYC is a huge machine. When a machine like that comes to a screeching halt, you can't just flip a switch to start it again.

Some parts are broken and need to be replaced. Things will be different. You have to start slow. It will take time to figure it out...and that's ok.

I spent a couple days at a staycation at a waterfront place in NYC. I could see the water from my window. I had some lovely dining experiences, indoors and out. Those places had live music. All within whatever guidelines the city has right now (distancing, masking, etc).

Good things are happening, especially with better weather on the horizon. Museums are opening. There will be more focus on socially distanced gatherings in parks. Outdoor performances.

You've got me thinking. Maybe I'll start a "Things to do in NYC this spring" thread.

It's spring. New beginnings.

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by Anonymousreply 35803/15/2021

That’s not happening R298.

by Anonymousreply 35903/15/2021

Since you asked, R355, an actual Nw Yorker like me can tell you that the crime stats that are meant to paint NYC as a crime-riden cesspool don't affect 95% of us who ride the subway every day without incident. And though I've only mentioned my spectacular view twice (not several times), I can also say that my neighborhood (the enviable and gay-populated Hell's Kitchen) has seen some store closings (more a rent situation than a Covid situation), most of the the restuarants have stayed open. The bars are now opening as well. The museums like the MoMA, the Met, the Whitney--all the great institutions of NYC--are open, and once the days get warmer, we'll see the same surge of people going to Central Park as we saw last spring and summer. In fact, apart from wearing a mask amd having to see people on Zoom as opposed to in person (like everyone everywhere), my daily life has changed very little, and I'm very glad to live in the city, where I don;t have to drive to get groceries, etc. Of course, Broadway remains shuttered. But it will open again, and I'm only a 5-minute walk from the theatre, so yes, there's hope. NYC is far from dead. Rents are down--a good thing for people who want to move here. People who were in offices work from home. Life goes on, like everywhere else.

by Anonymousreply 36003/15/2021

The best part of living in NYC is that I don't like in NJ, like Former New Yorker.

by Anonymousreply 36103/15/2021

one doesn't "like in NJ".

one LOVES in NJ.

by Anonymousreply 36203/15/2021

One can love anywhere, even NJ, but still one has to live there, and not like it, like poor FNY, who clearly wishes she still lived in NYC and pretends it's NYC's fault that she no longer does.

by Anonymousreply 36303/15/2021

R354 does not type humorless, but FNY sure does. Also, FNY also types as Ronald McDonald. She's so bitter about NYC that she types as two different people. And yes, Broadway IS coming back, you silly old fool.

by Anonymousreply 36403/15/2021

R360 Crime stats affect the 60 billion dollar a year tourist industry which affects the economy and employment. Hotels, restaurants, transportation and the arts suffer and that combined with the pandemic has already cause an even larger budget deficit which is going to make it difficult for the city to bounce back. Even ridership on the subways has dropped 70% with fewer tourists and a greater number of commuters opting to drive into the city. And the city has lost a third of its population who left for greener pastures and many of them will not return nor will the businesses return to all those empty office spaces.

by Anonymousreply 36503/15/2021

Again, FNY--or should I say Ronald McDonald?--rages against the city across the water from her. The tourist industry will of course bounce back. The pandemic has affected the economy in the world, not just NYC. Subway ridership has dropped mainly because people are working from home. And people left because rents are high in NYC (as they are in most desirable cities) and with the pandemic leaving a lot of people out of work they had to move.

by Anonymousreply 36603/15/2021

When things got tough all the trust fund kids ran back to their rural farm and sunbelt suburbs. Hopefully the CoL goes down over time in this aftermath so people that actually want to live there can live there instead of those people just want to live there to show off on Instagram.

by Anonymousreply 36703/15/2021

"New York, we the world are waiting breathlessly to come back to you"

by Anonymousreply 36803/15/2021

Not at all, R368. We would actually prefer people stayed away, especially tourists. But they never will.

by Anonymousreply 36903/15/2021

To be fair tourism is a huge part of the NY economy r369, the city needs them.

by Anonymousreply 37003/15/2021

I know that. But if you're asking tha average New Yorker, we don't want tourists. Of course because NYC is a highly desirable city to visit.

by Anonymousreply 37103/15/2021

The clown from NJ probably depends on NYC for her living.

by Anonymousreply 37203/15/2021

Indeed r372. I live in NJ too, but let's be real, Jersey is what it is because of NYC. Thats the engine that largely supports the state.

by Anonymousreply 37303/15/2021

Now that you are working at home in NJ instead of in an office in NYC, is NYC still getting its share of your wage taxes?

by Anonymousreply 37403/15/2021

As of right non-NY residents who are working from home still have to pay state income tax to New York r374.

However there is a case in front of the Supreme Court, New Hampshire versus Massachusetts, that is challenging this type of practice so we will see what happens.

by Anonymousreply 37503/15/2021

R358 thank you and if you do start such a thread, I will be watching. I have to go back to NY and MA this spring so it will be very helpful.

by Anonymousreply 37603/15/2021

R369 Be careful what you wish for. Broadway, Times Square , Hotels and restaurants need them more than ever. Broadway Theaters need full houses in order to make a profit.

by Anonymousreply 37703/15/2021

I'm not wishing for it. It's just been very pleasant to have the city to ourselves.

by Anonymousreply 37803/15/2021

Tourists have a way of making the homeless disappear.

by Anonymousreply 37903/15/2021

R354 How utterly bizarre that you went to the beach on a very windy and cold day in March when the sand must have been kicking up a storm. There's something fishy about your story and you never told me what beach you visited but you did answer with a song and dance routine from Pippin. And I'm sorry if I offended you by the slice comment but, certainly you ate it by the slice even if as you informed me this unspecified place does not sell it by the slice. Sounds gloriously exclusive.

by Anonymousreply 38003/15/2021

FNY is a pill.

by Anonymousreply 38103/15/2021

Light at the end of the tunnel. NY subway ridership hit a pandemic high of 1.9 million riders on March 12th. That's less than the pre pandemic daily average of 5 million. NY is crawling if not bouncing back.

by Anonymousreply 38203/16/2021

Man Captured on Video Firing Random Shots into Queens Apartment Building (ABC March 15)

Two People Shot While Waiting in Line at Brooklyn Restaurant (NBC March 15)

18 Year Old Woman Struck by Brute in Unprovoked NYC Attack NY Post March 15)

12 Year Old Slashed in Face During Queens Fight (NY Post March 15)

25 Year Old College Student Slashed Across Hand While Walking Home in Brooklyn (NY Post March 15)

by Anonymousreply 38303/16/2021

R355 I did share actual information and it was about NY which is the topic of the thread and as crime rises rapidly and De Blasio has no plan to do anything about it. NYC which relies on the 60 billion dollars a year from tourism and unless the crime stats drop tourists will be reluctant to return. If you want to find out what's going on in the city check out NY Metro is a better source than DL

by Anonymousreply 38403/16/2021

R266 Why concern yourself with Leslie Van Houton's parole? You posted 18 diatribes about someone you never met and who never harmed you?

by Anonymousreply 38503/16/2021

R369 Does the "we" include Broadway actors, landlords, waiters, vendors, small business owners, cab drivers . . .

by Anonymousreply 38603/16/2021

R32 Look at the DL posts on Fran Lebowitz and Leslie Van Houton. Media and information abound people can make judgements on places they've never been and people they've never known! You don't have to live in New York to know Lurch is incompetent. He spent more time protecting the BLM mural in front of tRUMP Tower instead of controlling the summer protests and ensuing looting and destruction and now with NYC crime soaring he's focused on Cuomo's need to resign. Distance doesn't make the heart grow fonder in this case.

by Anonymousreply 38703/16/2021

R33 NY and DeBlasio and Cuomo are constantly in the news and New Yorkers and non New Yorkers all have access to the same information

by Anonymousreply 38803/16/2021

All major cities are struggling. I have homes in DC and New York and both need to figure out what to do with commercial space that will remain empty.

by Anonymousreply 38903/17/2021

R389 In the Bloomberg's 3 terms as mayor every space including parking lots and gas stations were built on and steel and glass skyscrapers were everywhere zoning would allow and the Hudson Yards a large and ambitious project with rental, retail and performing arts theaters was recently completed. Commercial space is just a drop in the bucket. Office space and apartments are overwhelmingly empty as crime soars and the Mayor issues no plan to deal with it. Ridership is on subways and busses is just hit a pandemic high but it is still less than have of the daily average pre pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 39003/17/2021

NYC Mayor calls events in Atlanta GA 'domestic terrorism" What about the transit terrorism Mr. De Blasio? A woman's body apparently run over by a NYC subway was found on the tracks yesterday! I don't think she got there on her own accord. Subway crime has become a daily event.

by Anonymousreply 39103/17/2021

R9 R10 R11 R13 R15 R22 R40 R41 R43 R44 don't type like Miss Yorkville R74

by Anonymousreply 39203/17/2021

Happy Saint Paddy's Day!

March 17, 2021 NO LUCK FOR THE MTA

Woman Dies after Falling onto Brooklyn Subway Tracks NY ABC News

Woman Shoved onto Subway Tracks in Queens 1010 WINS

MTA Bus Driver Father of Five Killed in Brooklyn Hit n Run Daily News

by Anonymousreply 39303/17/2021

R290 What do you mean people are miserable everywhere? NY is experiencing a surge in crime and facing economic disaster. Other places don't depend on tourism and don't feel that we are going to be shot, sliced, punched, push or be a victim of a hit n run as we go about living our lives. We are very happy thank you. And how can you judge what's going on in places you've never been or visited?

by Anonymousreply 39403/17/2021

Samurai Sword Swinging Man Wrestles with Cops on Upper East Side 3.17.21 NY Post

Woman Raped By Man She Hailed for a Ride Home in Brooklyn 3.18.21 NY Post

20 Year Old Woman Fatally Shot in Head in the Bronx 3.18.21 ABC

Teens Rob Men of Citi Bikes in Central Park 3.18.21 NY Daily News

Only in NY kids only in NY

by Anonymousreply 39503/18/2021

^ Rob Men at Knifepoint

by Anonymousreply 39603/18/2021

Group Beat14 Year Old Boy in Manhattan Stab Man Who Tries to Intervene 3.18.21 1010WINS

It's NY kids!

by Anonymousreply 39703/18/2021

Lol, R393, "No luck"

by Anonymousreply 39803/18/2021

R146 Types angry and defensive. NY can do that to people.

by Anonymousreply 39903/18/2021

R341 Wow! On a cold March day with high winds the water must have been freezing! Even with wet suits I can't imagine the surfers being hot. Maybe they were members of the Polar Bears. LOL!

by Anonymousreply 40003/18/2021

No. Even before the pandemic it was getting out of hand. I live in Brooklyn and the crime rate is up here too. De Blasio and Cuomo suck, but I fear who’ll come next. The fact the De blasio even got re-elected was mind boggling to me. The world is crazy right now, so it wouldn’t surprise me if we get even worse elected officials. I have a house with rental units I was going to hang onto, but now I’m thinking of selling it while I can still get a decent price. NY will probably bounce back but I would personally rather live outside of the lunacy that we will forced to live under.

by Anonymousreply 40103/18/2021

R341 No pity I'm sure I'll get to watch hot surfers in the summer when they aren't wearing wet suits. I find it bizarre that you seem to think the ocean and surfers can only be seen in NY.

by Anonymousreply 40203/18/2021

THE LATEST 3.19.21

NYC MAN BLUDGEONS ELDERLY NEIGHBOR TO DEATH IN DISPUTE OVER NOISE NY Post It's the city that never sleeps; it's too noisy


MAN KNIFES STRAPHANGER ON NO. 4 TRAIN IN DOWNTOWN BROOKLYN On a happier note the subways have never been cleaner

by Anonymousreply 40303/19/2021

For the curious:

brandonjoseph, Ronald McDonald,, Cindy Adams, Dade County Here,. Jealous in Jersey, and sugar coated pill are all the same person, and with r402, he has posted at least 104 times - more than 25% of the thread.

22 of the last 25 posts are his.

Let's just let him talk to himself from now on, shall we?

by Anonymousreply 40403/19/2021

R404 All of New York hears you!

by Anonymousreply 40503/19/2021

R404 Cuomo is calling for an investigation!

by Anonymousreply 40603/19/2021

R404 We are deeply concerned!

by Anonymousreply 40703/19/2021

R404 Life's a beach!

by Anonymousreply 40803/19/2021

Yes I blocked him and it keeps showing updates on this thread but I can't see any of them because he's talking to himself. Like right now it says the thread has 4 new replies (408 total) but I can't see anything from r404 on. So he has posted 4 times in a row.

WTF for real.

by Anonymousreply 40903/19/2021

409 Stick to walking about Yorkville and checking out available rentals and what's going on in your bland neighborhood and try not to tear up if you come across a band playing classical music in front of an empty storefront. Spend more time with your husband and don't bother announcing to an unconcerned world that your are blocking me again.

You type Mayberry RFD

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Well NY never was the city of brotherly love!

by Anonymousreply 41203/19/2021

Latest from The city that never sweeps! 3.20.21

2 PEOPLE SHOT IN SEPARATE INCIDENTS IN BROOKLYN NY Daily News Year to date: 1,469 shooting incidents 1,791 victims





by Anonymousreply 41303/20/2021

Lovely sunny day in Hell's Kitchen with people shopping and strolling and masked.

by Anonymousreply 41403/20/2021

R414 Same here except no need to worry about being punched, shot, sliced, pushed or killed in a hit n run .

Sounds enthralling. Thanks for the update.

by Anonymousreply 41503/20/2021

^^^As of r415, 113 posts are FNY, brandon joseph Ronald McDonald, Cindy Adams Dade County Here. Jealous in Jersey, sugar coated pill...and now a NEW alias, Philadelphia.

30 of the last 38 posts are his.

by Anonymousreply 41603/20/2021

R416 Why aren't you out enjoying the wonderful day you described? And if you are out, aren't there more interested things to do and see in the city that never sweeps?

You type frustrated frau.

by Anonymousreply 41703/20/2021

More March Madness 3.20.21 Spring Edition





*McDonalds will never leave NY and is hiring!

by Anonymousreply 41803/20/2021

from The city that never sweeps: 3.21.21




1 step forward 2 steps back; NY in a nutshell.

by Anonymousreply 41903/20/2021

beautiful spring day in NYC. i'm going to the met this afternoon and then to the park. here's to bouncing back!

hugs to my fellow new yorkers xo

by Anonymousreply 42003/21/2021

Enjoy, r420. Ten outdoor spaces are opening at Lincoln Center April 7th. Performance spaces, reading spaces, blood drives, health services and much more.

Prospect Park is lovely today, too.

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It takes nothing to provoke New Yorkers nowadays.

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NY is punching if not bouncing back

by Anonymousreply 42303/21/2021

R420 R421 Sounds like an exciting day in Mayberry! Enjoy Aunt Bea! Enjoy Opie!

by Anonymousreply 42403/21/2021


Life in the Big Apple can be a drag sometimes!

by Anonymousreply 42503/21/2021

Lincoln Center is Launching 10 Outdoor Spaces starting April 7. No specific performances or occupants yet. Reminds me of NASA launching the Challenger. And Broadway is coming back April 5


by Anonymousreply 42603/21/2021

Weekend Update: Only in NY Kids









by Anonymousreply 42703/22/2021

A dark cloud hangs over NYC even on a sunny day!

by Anonymousreply 42803/22/2021

Hey guys!

NYC here.

I just bounced back.

Thanks for all your questions & concerns. But now it’s back to the grind. I had a nice out of pocket experience, though.

Hope to see you soon.

by Anonymousreply 42903/22/2021

I am sort of confused about why someone who doesn’t live in NYC is so concerned with tearing it down.

It’s a big city with lots of people so the problems are magnified but I think most places are seeing a rise in crime and a lot of closed businesses/vacant office and retail space. No?

It will take more than a pandemic to “end” NYC.

by Anonymousreply 43003/22/2021

R430 Said the troll who thought the Titanic was unsinkable! Rising crime, inept leadership, loss of tourism and tech and finance companies leaving are NYs iceberg. Enjoy your day and don't furrow your pretty brow with concern over me.

by Anonymousreply 43103/22/2021

I just spent a few weeks in Florida. Yes the weather was great BUT it's much more fun to be back in NYC. I think NYC will be ok .If not, the people who will be affected on the ones who live here. I'm not sure why others care so much.

by Anonymousreply 43203/22/2021

"I'm not sure why others care so much."

Really, only one person with many names. The rest of us really couldn't give a shit about NYC.

by Anonymousreply 43303/22/2021

R432 R433 and why do you care why people care? People concern themselves with "The Sting". Armie Hammer, Megan Markle, Jon Hamm's liquor habits, Hilaria Baldwin, chest sizes, dick sizes, . . .the answer is simple: because they can Blanche they can! This is DL not the NY Times.

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In other news water is wet.

by Anonymousreply 43503/22/2021

Daily Mail 3.22.21 Yellow Peril


by Anonymousreply 43603/22/2021

^ I think the man was confused and thought it was the No. 1 Train

by Anonymousreply 43703/22/2021

"the rest of us really couldn't give a shit about NY" well put R433

by Anonymousreply 43803/22/2021

R420 R421R429 R430 I take it you're not Asian.

by Anonymousreply 43903/23/2021

3.23.21 From the city that never sweeps





*Does that include subway assaults and slashings and being pissed on?

by Anonymousreply 44003/23/2021

DeBlasio wants to give out reparations to anyone with black DNA at a time when the city's budget is shot to hell. This sounds like a wonderful ultra liberal Jerk off fantasy for him, but unlikely to happen.

by Anonymousreply 44103/23/2021

R441 In related news"


PALM BEACH AND MIAMI GET READY TO FEED INCOMING WALL STREET ANALYSTS Bloomberg News NY restaurants have been relocating to Florida and are ready for the influx of tech and finance companies leaving NY.

De Blasio gets everything backwards and has the worst timing.

by Anonymousreply 44203/23/2021

I can’t speak for the entire city, but we are doing okay in Harlem. A few small businesses in my area didn’t make it, sadly. It has not, however, been as bad as I anticipated. My building has started a message board for small businesses really feeling the pinch. Supporting them. Buying local. Outdoors people are masked. Friendly.

Speaking of friendly, thanks to whomever posted the ignore tip. Very helpful.

by Anonymousreply 44303/23/2021

You're welcome, r443.

Shakespeare in the Park is coming back.

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by Anonymousreply 44403/23/2021

R443 You don't type Asian!

by Anonymousreply 44503/23/2021

3. 23.21 NYC UPDATE Little Miss Mary Sunshine edition







by Anonymousreply 44603/23/2021

R446 OH MY GOD, I hope DeBlasio is calling all city social workers to respond to these 911 calls. The city has never felt more unsafe than this past year. Nobody with a brain travels on the subway unless they really need to. DeBlasio has done more to upend NYC than any previous mayor. It will be nice to see a change in leadership next year.

by Anonymousreply 44703/23/2021

Of course Merry Wives will be set in Harlem.

by Anonymousreply 44803/23/2021

R447 We'll he wanted to defund the police last year. As I said before his timing like everything about him sucks!

by Anonymousreply 44903/23/2021


NYC is beginning to sound like KLan territory. Where did all the liberals go?

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March 24, 2021






by Anonymousreply 45103/24/2021

March 25, 2021 ONLY IN NY!









Just keeping a breast with the latest news! LOL!

by Anonymousreply 45203/25/2021

R28 Sure Jan! Sure Jan! Sure Jan!

by Anonymousreply 45303/25/2021

March 26, 2021 Latest news from the Rotting Apple


by Anonymousreply 45403/25/2021

Wow - it is overwhelming to see the city kick alive after a year of enforced slumber. I guessed it would happen - but the younger crowd is bursting out to party and socialize. The energy and mania is palpable. I am surprised at how it’s almost homogeneously young people - under 35s - presumably because they stayed I t he city and didn’t have the luxury of a second home. They have been cooped up for a year and they are ready to party.

The younger crowds may also be the result of the flood of younger renters who found deals in the Village during the downturn. There are definitely domestic tourists too. Never thought I’d be glad to see them - but it’s actually nice to see someone appreciate the city for the first time. It feels like Spring on steroids here.

by Anonymousreply 45503/26/2021

I was in the village Tuesday and didn't notice a plethora of young people it was a beautiful day and there were fewer people around than usual in Washington Square Park and around NYU. I noticed more homeless on 6th Avenue and more cyclists on the street probably due to less vehicular traffic. Fewer people than usual around 14th and 9th which is usually very busy.

by Anonymousreply 45603/26/2021

Latest New York Trends Continue As Inmates Take Over The Asylum:








by Anonymousreply 45703/27/2021

Weekend update: Crime on steroids!

Man Dies after Broad-Daylight Stabbing in Upper Manhattan ABC 7

Teen Stabbed to Death in Washington Heights ABC 7

Man Parked in Car, Ambushed Shot Dead in NYC NY Post

Brute Beats, Attempts to Rape Woman in Stairwell in Brooklyn Building NY Post

Man Slashes Store Employee Across the Face in 'Big Apple' Boutique ABC News

Man Makes Anti-Asian Statement, Assaults Woman Inside Subway Walkway NY Post

Off Duty NY Firefighter in Deadly Queens Bar Brawl 1010 WINS

by Anonymousreply 45803/28/2021

NEW YORK IS DEAD TO ME! Filled with crazies and citizens who won't get involved.

A 65 year old Asian women was brutally beaten in Hell's Kitchen on 43rd and Ninth Ave as a security guard watched and did nothing to help and closed the door as the woman lay injured on the ground. A NYPD convicted cop killer is sitting on an upstate NY police reform panel. You can't make this shit up! A uniformed, on-duty female cop was molested in NYC subway station. The inmates have taken over! Gov Cuomo threatened nursing home reps during vaccine call. The inmates are running the show! First hotel to open on Roosevelt Island has an infamous lunatic asylum history. Perfect emblem of NY. A man plunge to his death from a NYC high rise in Tudor City. Well, that's one way to escape New York! An Asian man was beaten unconscious by stranger on subway train as other passengers watched and filmed.

by Anonymousreply 45903/29/2021

How could you doubt that New York won't bounce back? It's charming citizens will assure its inevitability.

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by Anonymousreply 46004/03/2021

Went into city yesterday. It was FUCKING COLD. I saw a huge line outside a Nike store. Why? No idea.

by Anonymousreply 46104/03/2021

Also saw lots of moving vans delivering to apartment buildings. People are moving in.

by Anonymousreply 46204/03/2021

R460 Whenever I went to NY in the last several years I was fearful I was going to be hit by a car or bike. No one pays attention to traffic lights or pedestrians and cyclists don't pay attention to the directional arrows in the bike lanes though most don't use the bike lanes. The rule seems to be don't ever stop. And the noise from non stop horn honking is insane.

by Anonymousreply 46304/03/2021

NY POST April 5, 2021 New York's bouncing back like an Easter egg!

Six men wounded in possible gang-related Queens stabbing spree

Four men wounded in chaotic NYC knife attack

Bronx shooting leaves one man dead, another critically injured

75-year old woman punched, knocked to the ground in random attack

Elderly Asian man punched in unprovoked Bronx attack

NYC ambulance crash leaves 9 injured, one critically

by Anonymousreply 46404/05/2021

I'm planning an NYC weekend in June, any predictions on whether it will be livelier? Looking at a downtown/LES stay. I'll be fully vaccinated by then.

by Anonymousreply 46504/07/2021

It’s already livelier. And the ability to be outside by June will ensure it is even more lively. Add the vaccine and the return of (domestic) tourists and NYC is likely to have a booming summer. My only question is whether they allow people to sit at the bar again. Now, 50% of the bars are open by serving food and isolating people at their own table.

by Anonymousreply 46604/07/2021

[quote] Whenever I went to NY in the last several years I was fearful I was going to be hit by a car or bike.

This us hilarious! This MARY! obviously never set foot in NYC when yellow cabs ruled the streets. They’d risk your neck for a dollar.

I miss yellow cabs. I’d walk outside my building stick out my arm & 3 cabs would come screeching to a halt next to me. No need to look at a screen & punch icons.

by Anonymousreply 46704/07/2021

Another very fine New Yorker viciously attacking an innocent victim. I blame DeBlasio and his defund the police and no cash bail which has given all criminals a free pass to terrorize anyone they want. The police are so demoralized that they are not doing their job and just stand back, waiting until DeBlasio leaves office. Another year of this crap will finish off the city.

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by Anonymousreply 46804/07/2021

R467 NY's going to hell in a handbag, Mary and yellow cabs aren't the only problem!

NY Post 4.7.21

Not in Kansas anymore: Tourist shot after getting caught in NYC fight.

Brooklyn man busted in two separate anti-Asian attacks

2 Fatally shot on grounds of NYCHA buildings

Cops bust man who attacked 7-Eleven worker, called him Chinese 'motherf---er'

Suspect busted in brutal mugging of homeless man in NYC subway station

NYPD officer's car torched in Coney Island

Double Shooting injures man, woman in Brooklyn ABC 7

Doormen Fired after failing to intervene in vicious attack on Asian woman ABC 7

Asian woman grabbed, hair pulled in random NYC attack

NYPD hate crimes division fears Asian attacks are the new normal ABC 7

Two people shot, 1 killed in drive by shooting in the Bronx ABC 7

by Anonymousreply 46904/07/2021

R468 NY Post April 7, 2021 See No Evil

DEBLASIO DOWNPLAYS NYC SAFETY WOES AMID SPATE OF VIOLENCE For the first 3 months of the year, shootings are up 57% compared to last year and NYC recorded double the number of shootings in March 2021 as the year before..

by Anonymousreply 47004/07/2021

R465 Livelier than the wild wild west I suspect.

by Anonymousreply 471Last Thursday at 8:59 AM

Lol - the crime obsessive here reminds me of my 85 year old mother who watches the news and is terrified of the city. Murders, rapes, robberies everywhere! If you even enter the city, you will be killed.

by Anonymousreply 472Last Thursday at 10:05 AM

Just what the news says and that certainly speaks to will NYC bounce back? The rest is conjecture on your part. And based on stats and news random, unprovoked attacks and attacks on Asians do seem to be happening in all areas of the city with greater frequency.

by Anonymousreply 473Last Thursday at 10:18 AM

R447 - have social workers respond to 911 calls re violent mentally ill?

You think elderly Jewish women are the solution to manage violent crime?

Bring the National Guard to the city.

by Anonymousreply 474Last Thursday at 11:02 AM

Putin should run NYC for 6 months and do all he can do to bring it back. A limited hard line dictator is what the city needs. Nothing else will work at this time. DeBlasio is an utter ass wipe of a mayor. Let's hope is accolyte Maya Wiley does not win.

by Anonymousreply 475Last Thursday at 11:19 AM

"Police arrested a Brooklyn, New York, resident on assault and reckless endangerment charges after he allegedly struck a 7-Eleven worker in the face multiple times while making anti-Asian statements, according to the NYPD.

The alleged assault occurred at a 7-Eleven in midtown Manhattan early Saturday morning, police said.

Gregory Jacques, 33, was later arrested Wednesday morning and charged with assault, along with attempted assault and reckless endangerment, both in the second degree, the NYPD said in a statement."

Any word from New York's black leaders about the hate crimes?

by Anonymousreply 476Last Thursday at 11:30 AM

Another typical NY day via the NY Post 4.8.21

97-year old man killed after driver jumps curb in Brooklyn

Teen grazed in head in Bronx shooting

"Go back to your country!" Attacker slaps woman in face in Manhattan

If you're not Bruce Lee, then f---k off: Asian man elbowed in chest at NYC subway station in hateful attack

Video shows 2X4 wielding suspect threaten to cut Asian man in Brooklyn Home Depot

Video shows NYC Popeyes customers bashing man with "Wet Floor' sign.

Teacher finds machete stashed outside Brooklyn elementary school

Gun control won't solve all problems but more self control might!

by Anonymousreply 477Last Thursday at 12:17 PM

Thanks Bill DeBlasio. Your inept ways of handling the violent crimes surge in NYC is causing the nicest queens in all of NYC on DL to cat fight with each other over whether you are a corrupt snowflake or just a jerk.

by Anonymousreply 478Last Thursday at 4:38 PM

[quote]Lol - the crime obsessive here reminds me of my 85 year old mother who watches the news and is terrified of the city. Murders, rapes, robberies everywhere! If you even enter the city, you will be killed.

The "crime obsessive" is responsible for a whopping 150 posts on this thread, r472. He's not obsessed, he's a troll. He loved NYC in the 80s and 90s, and personally attacks anyone who has anything positive to say about. Lives in New Jersey. Longs for his youth. no doubt.

A hateful, unrelentingly ball of negativity. Ignore him and more than 25% of this thread vanishes.

by Anonymousreply 479Last Thursday at 10:59 PM

NYC will be around long after r469 is.

by Anonymousreply 480Last Friday at 1:35 AM

[quote] The police are so demoralized that they are not doing their job and just stand back


by Anonymousreply 481Last Friday at 2:07 AM

The last time I went into NYC was early December 2019, when I went in to see a show. I haven't been in since...obviously because of covid, but even without the pandemic, I wouldn't go in because of all the random crimes. Of course, as a big city, there is always crime and you have to be aware. I used to go in by myself, walk around...go into stores. museums...or see a Broadway show. I would be afraid now, with all the homeless and mentally ill on the streets. You're walking down the street and someone punches or beats you, or stabs you. If you're waiting for a subway, someone could push you onto the tracks. There was always danger, but not like it is today. DeBlasio is a disgrace. He's done a terrible job running the city. He's a blah, blah...talky mayor who is lazy. He loves to hear himself talk...and seems impressed with himself. He does little in the way of action for the city.

by Anonymousreply 482Last Friday at 6:16 AM

If you ever come back to visit, try to find out where the homeless hotels are and avoid those areas. A few of them are on the west side, close to garment district. you will find that many of these senseless crimes are in those areas, people getting punched in the face for no reason etc...

I see that more tourists are returning...but things are still not the same.

crime is wayyy up. many stores are still empty.

by Anonymousreply 483Last Friday at 6:40 AM

I will never say never...and will go in again, but not for a very long time. I remember, after stepping off the train in Penn Station, how the excitement hit me. There was always that buzz of excitement and movement. It was a rush.

by Anonymousreply 484Last Friday at 7:03 AM

R478 Not a fan of DeBlasio but you can't blame him for DL being what it is!. Don't blame the over reactive queens on him but rather for what has happened to Queens! LMAO!

by Anonymousreply 485Last Friday at 9:29 AM

R484 My memory of Penn Station is the smell of urine in the tunnel under the Garden and of people nearly being knocked over by those in a rush.

by Anonymousreply 486Last Friday at 9:33 AM

R480 A profound thought and I suspect NYC or what's left of it will be around longer than everyone posting here on DL! And you should ignore those as you encourage others to do who turn you into a defensive raging Mary.

by Anonymousreply 487Last Friday at 9:39 AM

R482 The woman who cuts my hair travels on the subway from Queens to Chelsea 4 days a week and said she's very apprehensive now of riding the subway and the subway cars are relatively empty compared to a year ago but many 'assholes' on the trains don't wear masks.

by Anonymousreply 488Last Friday at 10:20 AM

WARNING: Easily triggered, raging Marys are advised not to read the following:

Friday April 9, 2021 NY Post

Caught in the crossfire: Terrified mom asks de Blasio 'What's being done?' about daylight shootings

2 Pedestrians fatally struck, 1 seriously hurt in Brooklyn and Manhattan

Three gunman open fire on Bronx street near small child

Arrest made in armed robberies at Bronx parking garages

NYPD bumps up reward for killer of twin babies in Bronx

COVID variants now account for 80% of new cases in NYC

Same suspect arrested in 3 hate crime attacks on Asian New Yorkers ABC 7

by Anonymousreply 489Last Friday at 1:00 PM

Beautiful fall evening in Manhattan... Out and about on UES and UWS now here to say "yes", things have bounced back considerably since last summer.

Subways and buses were crowded late afternoon into rush hour. Streets on UES and UWS were packed with people and streets with vehicles. Being a Friday night restaurants with outdoor seating had full tables, and all of what is allowed indoor as well.

Have been seeing tons of young people (middle through high school aged) all over as well.

Of course with Broadway and performing arts still largely shut things aren't what they should be totally. Am seeing (and hearing) more international tourists too.

All this being said there are still huge numbers of companies that haven't remotely brought back even one-quarter of staff. This means mid-town and down-town are still largely empty other than tourists and people who live or otherwise have reasons to be down there.

City announced earlier this week beaches and pools will open on schedule, but imagine there might be some sort of social distancing mandate.

by Anonymousreply 490Last Friday at 3:51 PM

4/10/21 New York, New York Don't let your guard down!

12-year=old boy shot in chest while walking on NYC street

NYPD seeking man who punched cop near Washington Square Park

Slain NYPD cop's kin seek to stop his killer's role in police reform?????????????????

Man threatens to stab undercover Asian officer in face

NYC man who randomly stabbed teen to death arrested

Team work: Video shows men on motorcycle snatch chain from women's neck in NYC

Unhinged stranger twice tries to shove Asian woman onto NYC subway track

NYC rat race is back: Complaints surge as COVID restrictions ease

Woman, kids held hostage in armed standoff at Long Island home

Sanitation worker killed by hit-and-run driver NYC

Driver arrested after Mercedes slams into scaffolding in Midtown

Neil Diamond bio-musical "A Beautiful Noise" headed to Broadway in 2022

by Anonymousreply 491Last Sunday at 11:31 AM

^ Grandmother of shot 12-year-old: It's 'kill or be killed now'

Welcome to the New, New York!

by Anonymousreply 492Last Sunday at 12:27 PM

Prescient films set in NY

The Tenth Victim 1965 Little Murders 1971 Escape from New York 1981

by Anonymousreply 493Last Sunday at 5:14 PM

DeBlasio's NYC: Kill or be Killed. What a wonderful man with wonderful ideals, no wonder when he ran for President he got less than 1% in the Dem primaries.

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by Anonymousreply 494Last Monday at 3:50 AM

Planning a June visit, sticking to EV/LES/Downtown, has anyone been to Sushi by M or Ernestos? Wondering if they are worth a visit?

by Anonymousreply 495Last Monday at 4:40 AM

R495 Still planning and still on DL? Try NY for tourist information and updates.

by Anonymousreply 496Last Monday at 7:09 AM

Lowe East Side man to cops: 'I just murdered my brother' NY Post 4.11.21

Long Island cop in critical condition after being stabbed during traffic stop NY Post 4.11.21

Suspect in Richie Rich hoodie robs Bronx straphanger NY Post 4.11.21

NYPD seeking man who punched cop near Washington Square Park NY Post 4.11.21

NYC Transit Museum lays off a third of staff NY Post 4.11.21

Straphangers punched in the face in two separate incidents just hours apart NY Post 4.12.21

Woman struck, seriously injured in Midtown hit-and-run 6 a.m. Monday ABC 7 Eyewitness News

by Anonymousreply 497Last Monday at 7:26 AM

NYC was far more dangerous in the 70s & 80s when you could see 3 mugging a day and none were reported in the media. Even if someone was killed during a mugging it didn’t guarantee any media coverage. Plus we had at least 3 different East Side Rapists when I lived there. I used to watch people steal cars from my living room window - nicely dressed men in suits carrying their tools in a Bloomingdales Little Brown Bag. They could steal a car so fast yiu didn’t realize what you saw until after it was over.

We had a meeting in our non-doorman building about robberies. They were so frequent I used to leave a $20 bill on the corner of my dining table every day. $20 was the equivalent of $50 today...nothing for a crackhead to sneeze at. My dining table was in view as soon as I cracked open my apt door. If I saw the $20 bill on the table, I knew I hadn’t been robbed and entered the apartment. If i had ever opened the door & didn’t see the bill my plan was to go to a pay phone & call police.

One morning we all had to step over a homeless guy in our building’s vestibule. He’d smashed the inner doorway into pieces and crawled in through the broken glass. Our super lived in another building on our block & had t arrived for work yet. Nobody attempted to move the homeless man or take a pulse. We’d be late for work. Transit worked so poorly you’d never know when a train would show up, so you moved as fast as you could to the subway station in the hopes of not getting there just as the train pulled out. Buses ... forget it. I took a bus to work exactly once. I was 45 minutes late for work. And I had figured on one hour for the bus ride. It was 1 hour and 45 minutes in dead-stopped traffic. And homeless people preferred the bus to the subway because of softer seats to sleep on.

My friend was sitting in her living room once and watched a guy lower himself on a rope from the roof of another building onto a fire escape & proceeded to break into an apartment. She called police and cops caught him. Next day the apartment occupants put a sign on their fire escape “Thank you, Maggie.”

NYC is a paradise compared to how it was. It’s hilarious to see the rightwing squawking to Flyiverstan that NYC is a burnt hull...that it’s teeming with murderers & thieves. It’s a full on Murdochian/Kochian blitz to portray NYC, home to the most millionaires in the US and the world’s richest financial center, as a blacked shell of a city.

Weep for us, Omaha!

by Anonymousreply 498Last Monday at 9:19 AM

r498 what neighborhood did you live in? When I was a kid, I remember Times Sq in the 70s was super scary/sketchy, just like in all the made for TV Runaway movies. In the mid 80's it was still pretty f-ed up. LES was like a bombed out war zone.

by Anonymousreply 499Last Monday at 9:32 AM

Who's likely to win the Dem primary for mayor in June?

by Anonymousreply 500Last Monday at 9:34 AM

What R498 said. Back in the late 1970s NYC was the setting for The Warriors -- without having to do much to make it look horrifying. The city was scary. I lived on the Upper West Side then, when wilding had become popular -- wilding being a bunch of kids from Harlem coming down to the UWS and UES and basically jumping on a solitary walker and taking everything they could within moments, like locusts with sneakers.

It happened to me, once, in the upper 80s, where out of the blue six guys attacked me, basically stripped me of everything I had, even some of my clothes, and left my unconscious on the street. Someone called the cops and I ended up in the ER where, luckily, it turned out II wasn't hurt badly. The doctors in the ER told me they saw several people each night because of wilding.

NYC today? A delight. A total delight compared to 50 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 501Last Monday at 9:48 AM

Yeah anyone who complains about crime today being out of control was clearly born or moved to NYC in the past 20-25 years.

by Anonymousreply 502Last Monday at 9:56 AM

R 501 R502 So Asian-American New Yorkers, the tourist industry and other New Yorkers should feel better despite the 300% increase in crime from last year because it was allegedly worse 40-50 years ago? And most people living in NY now probably have been living there 20-30 years and are now watching what was a busy tourist mecca and one of the safest large cities in the US become the wild, wild west. Sorry but people, businesses and tourists will look elsewhere.

by Anonymousreply 503Last Monday at 7:46 PM

R498 R499 R501 R502 and this is why people left in the 70s and 60s

Asian man slammed by ranting man in broad daylight attack ABC 7 4.12.21

Teen playing with gun on NYC rooftop allegedly shoots pal NY Post 4.12.21

Family sues over death of war hero crushed in SoHo crane accident NY Post 4.12.21

NYC straphangers feel less safe than 6 months ago survey says NY Post 4.12.21

Cousin of murdered NYPD cop carjacked at c]gunpoint in NYC NY Post 4.12.21

Worker Punched near Brooklyn Vietnamese eatery in potential hate crime NY Post 4.12.

by Anonymousreply 504Last Monday at 7:58 PM

R499 Good news those days are coming back. Unfortunately not everyone shares you sense of nostalgia Granny.

by Anonymousreply 505Last Monday at 8:18 PM

R502 You sound like grandpa telling people if you think it's tough today in my day . . . you yungins' don't know how easy you have it!

by Anonymousreply 506Last Monday at 8:20 PM

R501 I wonder if cab drivers, restaurant owners, landlords, hotel workers, street vendors, subway riders, Asian-Americans and Broadway actors share you rose-colored vision?

by Anonymousreply 507Last Monday at 8:31 PM

I walked from Chinatown up towards union sq on broadway, at least 60% of stores are empty and tagged with graffiti. People were only going to chain stores like zara, nike and sephora.

I like to get Chinese takeout on the weekends, I take the subway down every other week and I've noticed more tourists, they were buying fake gucci bags etc and they sell them out in the open.

by Anonymousreply 508Last Monday at 9:53 PM

Ford to City: Drop Dead NY Daily News October 29, 1975 No one running for New York Mayor seems to care about crime NY Post March 14, 2021

- Nostalgia sweeps NY as the 70s return

Girl weeks away from first birthday fatally shot in drive-by NY Post 4.13.21

Man Shot to death outside Bronx public housing project NY Post 4.13.21

Man pulls gun on victim inside a Lower Manhattan subway station NY Post 4.13.21

MTA survey suggests it's not just COVID keeping riders away from subway ABC 7

Pedestrian dies after pole struck by MTA bus falls on him NY Post 4.13.21

Man uses kids to burglarize NYC frozen yogurt shop ABC 7

Asian man sucker punched in a broad daylight attack on Upper East Side NY Post 4.13.21

by Anonymousreply 509Yesterday at 9:44 AM

Thousands Fled Midtown, Hell's Kitchen In 2020, New Data Shows

'New York City, which was already shrinking before the pandemic, had the second-most net move-outs of any metro in the country in 2020, trailing only San Francisco' Nick Garber

by Anonymousreply 510Yesterday at 10:26 AM

I cannot stand DeBlasio and blame him and his corrupt, pandering policies for most everything bad happening to the city. Even if he is not directly at fault, his policies are only making things far worse. A true leader is not DeBlasio.

He did manage to put more bike lanes in the city!

by Anonymousreply 511Yesterday at 11:27 AM

R511 The bike lanes aren't used properly by cyclists in my experience in Manhattan. They don't yield to traffic signals, cars or pedestrians i.e. they refuse to stop for anyone or thing and they often use the street instead of the bike lanes anyway and often ignore the directional arrows in the bike lanes. Too many vehicles and pedestrians ignore traffic signals and wander into traffic without looking at anything but their phones! And Citi Bikes are a mixed blessing at best. And now UWS residents are flipping out over a 'brigade of lawless' all-terrain vehicles terrorizing their neighborhood. Illegal quad riders ignore the riles of the rode according to NY Post report dated 4.10.21 Take back the streets Mayor!

by Anonymousreply 512Yesterday at 11:57 AM

not to mention, now motorized scooters are legal. Have you seen how fast they go? They are on the sidewalks, on the roads and I've seen so many dumb motherfuckers using them without helmets!

by Anonymousreply 513Yesterday at 12:37 PM

NY Post and Daily Mail are right-leaning tabloids and rely on fear and controversy to sell since conservatives are fear-driven. Not to say there isn't crime but those 2 news sources are an embarrassment to journalism and I can't believe people are posting them here.

by Anonymousreply 514Yesterday at 12:52 PM

Fran Lebowitz a life long , die hard New Yorker was incredulous about people thinking of the streets of Manhattan as a place to ride bikes and in the Netflix documentary Pretend It's a City there's a shot of her stepping into the crosswalk when a cyclist whizzes past her as she steps back. Fran also talked disparagingly about people walking around on their phones unaware of their surroundings. A few years ago I asked a neighbor who's a driver in NYC what he thought of Citi Bikes, 'hate em' was his terse response. He said he feels that he's more likely than ever to be involved in an accident. Di Blasio is the embarrassment who gets everything wrong.

by Anonymousreply 515Yesterday at 1:19 PM

Ignore r512 (or FNY, Brandonjoseph or any of his half a dozen other alias'), and literally 170 posts in this thread vanish. ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY out of 515.

Whatever problems NYC faces - and there are many - this guy has more.

by Anonymousreply 516Yesterday at 2:53 PM

R516 'Let's just let him talk to himself from now on, shall we?' 'Too bad that he didn't get to watch hot surfers in NYC today' 'Au contraire! I find you hilarious' 'I'm a giver'

You are hilarious and your attempts to get the other humorless trolls who are so easily offended to ignore me are pointless and suspect since you clearly haven't taken your own advice. And when people use aliases like 'Kim Bassinger' don't you realize they are being facetious? You type humorless despite your protestations and pretentions.

by Anonymousreply 517Yesterday at 3:45 PM

I haven't addressed you directly for a long time, r517, you hatefully obsessed psychopath, and I don't care if anyone else ignores you or not.

Just letting others know they can use the "ignore" function to track your insanity. That you have posted171 posts out of 517 on a single thread is weirdly obsessive, especially considering that in those 171 posts that you haven't posted on anything else. I've posted 19 here.

It's creepy.

You've made it impossible to post anything positive about NYC on this thread, as you personally attack anyone who does, and post little but crime stats. You don't even bother with links.

I welcome anyone to "ignore" me long enough to see that I post in lots of threads here. Most of my posts are informative and positive. You are nothing but negative.

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by Anonymousreply 519Yesterday at 4:38 PM

You rang, r519?

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by Anonymousreply 520Yesterday at 4:47 PM

Well since Miss Information has informed us that Shakespeare in the Park is returning here's an appropriate quote from Hamlet for R518 'the lady doth protest too much, methinks' and gets fucked too little methinks!

Don't feed a troll, feed your hole!

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