A new Woody and Mia documentary to delight DL!

I smell hatchet job. Unless Moses is included, I ain't watching.

In the meantime, if you haven’t watched BY THE WAY, WOODY ALLEN IS INNOCENT check it out on YouTube.

Alternate title, "Beating a Dead Horse".

I was thinking more like "Beating a Dead Horse Part 28: Ronan/Satchel Has Friends at HBO"

Who gives a shit at this point anymore? I am sick of the whole lot of them, and of all their creepy hangers-on.

Apparently to Ronan’s media friends, only the prized, white, bio-kids of the troubled Farrow family are to be believed. Their experiences count more than Moses and the dead, adopted siblings who had to live through Mia’s psychological and physical abuse.

" Their experiences count more than Moses and the dead, adopted siblings who had to live through Mia’s psychological and physical abuse."

Oh fuck off, you Woody loving asshole. You don't know one fucking thing about it. You didn't live with them.

[quote] Oh fuck off, you Woody loving asshole. You don't know one fucking thing about it. You didn't live with them.

Oh, and you did?

Guys: look for my cameo when Mia visits Sudan -- and, yes, I was ready for my close-up, but I still couldn't convince her to take me with her to Connecticut!

R7 you sound stable. You only choose to believe certain children of a highly dysfunctional family with a mother who’s known to have issues. Mia who publicly supports proven pedaphile Roman Polanski while presenting herself as wronged mother of child abuse victim. Clearly Mia is a disturbed personality. Her now dead, adopted children had accused her of abuse as has Moses who is alive and corroborates abuse he and his siblings had endured from Mia. All of this is swept under the rug by Ronan, Mia, and their media friends. They resort to the old standby of “ungrateful adopted children” as deflection.

It’s clear that Mia had/ has some issues herself, this is going by her history as well as behavior that are known facts and/ or as described by those who were in her inner circle.

The canceling of Woody Allen really baffles me.

Jeez, Carly Simon? Why? Because she's another privileged white woman with terrible taste in men?

The attempts to demolish the credibility of the Yale-New Haven Child Sexual Abuse Clinic report are truly outrageous. Who the fuck cares if the clinicians' notes were destroyed after they compiled their report? What would that prove? That's standard practice to protect the confidentiality of the interviewees. This clinic is nationally renowned and still run by the same award-winning pediatrician who oversaw the Farrow investigation. Are we to believe that in the tens of thousands of cases they investigated that they dropped the ball with Dylan?

The fact that Mia videotaped Dylan (naked) over the course of 2 or 3 days to get her allegations on camera and then sent that tape to a local news station should have been grounds for an abuse charge.

MY TWOOTH! MY TWOOTH!

Oh for fucks sake HBO, we've had sufficient!!

"Clearly Mia is a disturbed personality. "

Clearly you are a Woody loving fuckhead.

"Oh, and you did?"

I never said I did, dear. I'm just sick of these psychotics who kiss Woody Allen's ass and rake Mia Farrow over the coals.

Alternate title: "The Stepdaughter Wife".

Woody Allen hasn't been cancelled. He just hasn't come out with a decent film since Match Point in 2015.

R18 Elle Fanning should hit the agent that gave her the script for Rainy Day in New York with her car.

I believe Soon-Yi.

When I read the things that Mia said about her, described her *daughter* being lice-ridden, non-verbal and basically retarded, I knew all I needed to. How vindictive do you have to be, to say those things about a toddler who couldn’t help it? And when Soon-Yi committed her grave offense against Mia, she was a teenaged girl. Attack the grown man who groomed her! Going so viciously after your foolish naive daughter is a bridge too far. A loving mother would never throw that up in her child’s face.

And where was Soon-Yi’s father Andre Previn? A father is supposed to protect his child.

Neither one of them gave a shit about Soon-Yi.

"Neither one of them gave a shit about Soon-Yi."

They literally saved her life. If they hadn't adopted her she'd still be eating out of garbage cans in Korea. Or maybe dead.

Match Point came out in 2005, not 2015. But I agree...

[quote]The canceling of Woody Allen really baffles me.

He cancelled himself really, with his lousy work.

for the first seven or so years of soon Yi's life with Mia and Andre, they lived in England, in the country near to London. Apparently they (the kids) never went anywhere or did anything. They had high profile showbiz parents they should have gone to all the kiddie movie premieres, plays at Xmas, - tons of cheerful things kids of those kinds of parents normally do. Very odd.

Oops...sorry I'm late but MIA IS BITCH. Pandemics may stop the rest of humanity but there's just no stopping a worn-out catch phrase here on the good ol' DL.

Did they ever interview Mia about her brother John or saint Ronan about his uncle? From 2014:

"Farrow's brother John Charles Villiers-Farrow began serving 10 years in prison for molesting two neighbor boys. According to the local Maryland news affiliate, authorities said "he abused one victim for seven years, beginning when the boy was nine, and abused another boy from the ages of 8 to 13.""

In 1992 John Charles Villiers-Farrow said about Woody Allen: "[He's] going to be indicted, and he’s going to be ruined. I think when all of it comes out, he’s going to jail."

Hypocrisy seems to be part of the Farrow DNA. I hope Madonna and Angelina Jolie treat their adopted Unicef photo-shoot props with more respect than the redhead who killed my beloved mother on the Nile.

Link from 2014

Mia shot and killed Angela Lansbury, and yet you still support her?

Not a Woody Allen fan, but aren't most sex offenders serial offenders? Has anyone else accused him of pedophilia?

R29, my thoughts exactly. Never a whisper of Woody molesting any child, before or since. Mia needs help, but has too much invested in this now to get it. Years from now, once she's gone (along with most of us), the truth will come out about her, once the kids realize what a monster she was.

"Never a whisper of Woody molesting any child, before or since. "

Not all sex offenders are serial molesters. Some of them just fixate on one child, like Mary Kay LeTourneau did. She just molested/one. I think it was the same for Woody Allen; his perverse affection was focused on one child. And ever before all that hit the fan it was well know that he had particular fondness for young girls. Teenage girls. He's definitely a perverse creep.

Woody! Mia! Girls! Girls! You're both awful!

R20 why did she blame Soon Yi and not the “adult who groomed her?” Because Soon Yi wasn’t giving her starring roles in movies.

The craziest thing is that she begged Woody not to leave her and showed up to wardrobe for his next movie, like everything was normal. So she would have brushed off the affair altogether if he had only continued to help her career.

This will be brad/angelina and the kids after 5-8 years. Pax has already started with an angry insta story on Brad.

Sun-Yi was nothing more than a teen tart. She manipulated Woody & Mia and destroyed the family.

Probably a plant from North Korea.

R34 What did Pax say?

Can someone please explain to me how Mia being evil and crazy necessarily makes Woody innocent?

IMO they're most likely both guilty as charged.

Because the fact she is evil and crazy, R37, would cast serious doubt on the validity of the allegation and explain why she and two of her equally crazy children feel compelled to keep it in the headlines despite the glaring lack of evidence. Dylan now claims in her new interview with Elle that she felt compelled to have Mia's friend Nick Kristof publish her open letter in the NYT in 2014 because Blue Jasmine had received three Oscar nominations and "nobody cared." This makes no sense as a trigger because Woody's movies had racked up a dozen Oscar nominations since 1993 and Woody has famously never attended the ceremony (except as part of a 9/11 tribute in 2002), not to mention the fact that Dylan was not in the industry. Mia, on the other hand, was probably both jealous of Cate Blanchett's award buzz and pissed that her character was a thinly veiled caricature of Mia, and then there was the need to drum up publicity for Ronan's new show on MSNBC after erroneously suggesting that Ronan "might" be Sinatra's son.

Dylan has written an "open letter" published on Kristof's NYT blog, an op-ed for the LA Times, been interviewed by our generation's Edward R. Murrow, Gayle King, written a sci-fi /young adult novel based on her allegation, and is now involved with this documentary. For somebody who is so easily triggered by Allen she seems addicted to media attention and is unable to talk about anything else--she is not sophisticated, funny, insightful or interesting. She doesn't even go by the name Dylan in her daily life anymore, presumably just hanging on to it for her role as Professional Victim. So what is motivating her? What does she want from the general public? She tells Jada Yuan at Elle: “I guess I’m just way more vindictive than anybody gave me credit for,” Dylan says. “And I say that because it’s not entirely a bad thing. Vindictive women can get stuff done.” That Dylan proudly calls herself vindictive seems to validate everything Woody ever said about Mia, and it is sad to see how she has molded her daughter to be an enforcer of Mia's vendetta.

Who knows about the Sinatra thing, but I have a hard time imagining tough Barbara Sinatra allowing Mia any private time with old Frank.

[quote]only the prized, white, bio-kids of the troubled Farrow family are to be believed

Much of what Soon-Yi has said, Mia also admitted to her in her book, the telephone thing especially. Moses has only repeated what Woody has said, and both often repeat what people have concocted online or they tell lies that could be easily checked if people simply read the court documents. Further, there are a lot of non-white children of Mia's who either testified against Woody at the custody trial or haven't said anything.

You can pretend like this is racism but most of you guys are MRAs, rightwingers or even alt-right loons, you don't care about racism and it's laughable that you want us to think you do.

[quote]Can someone please explain to me how Mia being evil and crazy necessarily makes Woody innocent?

They can't, because that's not how it works.

Mia and her siblings were fucked up by their dad, that's why Prudence was involved with Robert Durst, why a brother is in jail for molestation, why another killed himself. Mia doesn't seem to fully understand what is appropriate behavior with kids and what isn't, though I think she improved as she got older.

Woody was in therapy for how he was treating both Dylan and Satchel, because Mia is pretty messed up and thought his weird attentions and/or abuse, depending on his mood, wasn't that bad.

That's why her reaction to Soon-Yi was of a jealous girlfriend and not, hey, maybe my 50-something boyfriend shouldn't be banging my teenaged daughter.

Then when Dylan said she'd been molested, Mia wasn't going to go to the police, the pediatrician had to report it.

At that point, Mia finally figured it out, but she went too far the other way and overdid the protective mother routine, probably in part out of guilt.

As I always say on these threads, I don't concern myself with Woody cheating on Mia, or with whether Dylan is telling the truth or not, because what we know is enough for me to be certain Woody Allen is a terrible person. He was in therapy because he was inappropriate to both Dylan and Satchel, and while in therapy, started banging their teenaged sister. That's all I need to know about the kind of guy he is.

R18 R22 Woody Allen’s last good film was Zelig in 1983

[quote]HE RAPED MY BABY'S GASHLET BUT HER RAPED MY SOUL!!!!!!

I'm really tired of all these people. HBO, really? We needed this?

My favorite anecdote from the Nanny’s book was that Dylan was most upset because “Mommy wasn’t going to be in any more of Daddy’s movies.” LOL @ Mia’s narcissism!

R36, here

Pax is the eldest, right? The one Angelina adopted years before she met Brad? He probably resented Brad from the moment he showed up on the scene and "stole" Angelina from him.

Heavens to Betsy! Pax! Is that thought to be real?

That Pax post is way more interesting than anything involving the two cretins who are the subject of this thread

Team Mia here.

I don’t think that Pax post is genuine. Not a verified account.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Allen married his common law wife's daughter. He is a disturbing, fucking psycho. This is how predator Allen was able to get away with it:

-Allen was a pedophile and no one knew what pedophilia was back then.

-There was no law on the books about common law partners and minor children. They changed the laws now.

The family court judge thought Allen was a fucking psycho and TERMINATED his parental rights to all minor children. Allen has been lying about the court ruling for years. This court ruling was SEALED because they automatically do this, when there are minor children involved. It is pretty clear case now because more people understand what child abuse is.

R41, Allen was not in therapy for his behavior towards his children. He had been in therapy for most of his adult life, long before he ever became ensnared with Mia and her brood. Satchel and Dylan were the ones in therapy, placed there by Allen and Farrow for other issues: Satchel was sent to Susan Coates because of what Allen called "gender issues" (i.e. queeny little Satchel wanted to be a Disney Princess as a toddler. Crazy Catholic Mia couldn't deal with having a gay son, and Woody sure wouldn't have been thrilled about it, either) and Dylan was sent to Nancy Schultz because she had difficulty communicating and lived in a fantasy world. Neither child claimed abuse to their respective therapists, both of whom met with Allen and Farrow as part of the children's treatment. This fact, that Allen met with his kids' therapists, is often twisted around to suggest that Allen was a patient, but he was not. Child therapists do not treat adults, and certainly not those suffering from negative sexual compulsions.

Coates thought the fact that Allen fawned over Dylan but gave the cold shoulder to the other kids was inappropriate--but not sexual. She also testified that Allen was a dedicated father and it was Mia who wanted to sabotage his otherwise healthy relationship with Satchel. Schultz testified that she didn't believe the abuse happened. Allen's therapist, Kathryn Prescott, claimed in a letter submitted to the court he did not have the pathology of someone suffering from deviant sexual behavior. The only people who imputed sexual overtones to Allen's behavior with Dylan were Mia, her best friend Casey, and Casey's babysitter, Alison. Ronan claims he remembers Woody's alleged sexual behavior with Dylan when he was five years old, but he had just turned 4 when Mia first found about Soon-Yi, so his "memories" are just lifted from Mia's memoirs, Mia even testified at the beginning of the trial that she thought Woody might be gay and that he would abuse Satchel, but she later had to drop that. That members of Mia's orbit have supported her life's mission to perpetuate these false allegations, seemingly of their own volition, is a remarkable testament to the intensity of her vindictiveness and the duplicitous image she has painstakingly cultivated.

So Dylan dyes her hair Woody Allen-red.

R53, you have no idea what you are talking about. Not even on one of your "points".

Stop pulling stuff out of your ass.

"Allen was not in therapy for his behavior towards his children. "

That's not true, R54. Somebody linked the custody judge's finding here, and it specifically stated the above. Of course he's been in therapy forever, but the judge stated that well prior to Mia's complaint regarding Dylan, Woody had agreed to have therapy over his inappropriate obsession with Dylan. (I don't recall what he said about Satchel.)

Read the judge's opinion on this case and its clear who's the perv here.

His so called "obsession" with Dylan was not sexual. It was like helicopter parenting. That was made very clear by the person who labeled it an "obsession".

There is simply no credible evidence that Allen is guilty of anything. That is the reason the prosecutor didn't even bother putting it before a grand jury.

I have raed that judge's opinion and he was clearly biased and a bit weird. But, hey, not all judges are Einstein.

Can we preemptively agree to limit the inevitable discussion of this documentary to a single thread rather than 550 different ones?

"That is the reason the prosecutor didn't even bother putting it before a grand jury.'

That is not true. It was considered that it would be too traumatizing to put Dylan through it but otherwise they would have prosecuted.

I for one am curious to revisit the whole mess. Yes, it's old news but even so. Just like kids today are discovering Princess Diana, a whole new generation will learn about Woody and Mia. And frankly, given today's climate, it'll probably generate a fair amount of discussion.

[quote]IMO they're most likely both guilty as charged.

I agree, they are shitty people in different ways. But, it's bugged me how the media, Judd Apatow, and others bitch up and down about Woody being a perv, but they ignore the weird shit and abuse claims about child collector Mia.

[quote]t was considered that it would be too traumatizing to put Dylan through it but otherwise they would have prosecuted.

No. That was just their lame excuse for backing down and not even trying to prosecute the case.

We have had this discussion before. Every day there are similar trials with children just as potentially "traumatized" as Dylan might have been. Back then and now. The courts have special procedures for child witnesses that enable them to testify in a sensitive manner. They utlizied many of the same procedures back at that time as well. Witnesses have even been allowed to testify in another room apart from the defendant. I had a trial where one of the child witnesses testified via closed circuit TV from another room - not the courtroom.

That excuse just doesn't fly. But the state figured the generql public doesn't know any better. If they had believed it to be true they would never have let it go.

[quote] I smell hatchet job.

What makes you think that?

"It was considered that it would be too traumatizing to put Dylan through it but otherwise they would have prosecuted."

Yes - it is traumatizing for a child when she's expected to lie to a room full of people!

I believe Woody Allen sexually assaulted a child and that's not right!

R27: Salon is one to talk. Weren't they the one who posted an article by an actual heterosexual pedophile?

Well, if Susan Sarandon has spoken on the subject, then that's the final word!

I've posted this before on every thread we've had on this subject (so, every six months or so): Woody Allen is sleazy, no question, for several reasons including creeping on teenage actresses and hooking up with his stepdaughter. So if you want to cancel him for that, go with it.

BUT Mia Farrow is batshit crazy and, I am convinced, a victim of childhood sexual abuse herself. That damage is why she vaccillates between ignoring/ condoning inappropriate sexual behavior with the underaged (e.g. Polanski), and suspecting sexual abuse all over the place, which she then crusades against. I'm sure she thinks of herself as a great mother, but in fact, it doesn't look like she brought up any of her children very successfully, with the possible exception of her golden boy Satchel/Seamus/Ronan (and being on your third first name by age 30 is not a sign of great mental stability there either).

The specific abuse allegation with Dylan leveled against Woody is highly implausible, because it would have happened after he'd already hooked up with Soon Yi, in the middle of the acrimonious split, in Mia's own country house that was full of people at the time. Woody would have had to be incredibly stupid to do somthing like that then and there, and stupid is one thing I don't believe him to be.

I feel bad for the kids, especially Dylan or whatever she's calling herself now, because she's clearly been defined as a person by this situation, and that's on Mia.

[quote]Allen was not in therapy for his behavior towards his children.

He absolutely was, as someone else said it's in the court papers. The doctor's name is Katharine Prescott.

Dylan was seeing a Dr. Schultz starting in 1991 and Satchel was seeing a Dr. Susan Coates since 1990. In the court papers, it's noted that Allen tried to get Dr. Schultz to “explain the relationship to Dylan in such a manner as to exonerate himself from any wrong doing."

As we noted above, Mr. Allen maintains that Ms. Farrow's allegations concerning the sexual abuse of Dylan were fabricated by Ms. Farrow both as a result of her rage over his relationship with Ms. Previn and as part of her continued plan to alienate him from his children. However, our review of the record militates against a finding that Ms. Farrow fabricated the allegations without any basis. Unlike the court at IAS, we do not consider the conclusions reached by Doctors Coates and Schultz and by the Yale-New Haven team, to be totally unpersuasive. While the tendency of Dylan to withdraw into a fantasy and the inconsistencies in her account of the events of August 4, 1992, noted particularly by the Yale-New Haven team, must be taken into account in the evaluation of these serious allegations, the testimony given at trial by the individuals caring for the children that day, the videotape of Dylan made by Ms. Farrow the following day and the accounts of Dylan's behavior toward Mr. Allen both before and after the alleged instance of abuse, suggest that the abuse did occur. While the evidence in support of the allegations remains inconclusive, it is clear that the investigation of the charges in and of itself could not have left Dylan unaffected.

Allen v. Farrow, 197 A.D.2d 327, 332-33 (N.Y. App. Div. 1994)

[quote]Allen had been in therapy for alleged inappropriate behavior toward Dylan with a child psychologist before the abuse allegation was presented to the authorities or made public.

[quote]The specific abuse allegation with Dylan leveled against Woody is highly implausible, because it would have happened after he'd already hooked up with Soon Yi, in the middle of the acrimonious split

That's not entirely true, as he had told Mia for months, from January 1992 to July or August 1992, that he and Soon-Yi were no longer together. They hadn't fully split at the time. Mia called Dr. Susan Coates on August 1st of that year to say she found out they were still seeing each other, which upset her because Woody had just a week earlier suggested he and Mia get married.

It's uncertain whether Woody knew Mia had found out that the affair was still going on August 4th, when he attended the party at her place in Connecticut where the abuse was alleged to have taken place.

Allen did find out on about August 6th when he attended therapy with Satchel and Dr. Susan Coates, who informed him of the allegations and what had happened. On August 13th he filed for sole custody of the kids, and on August 17th he went public with his affair with Soon-Yi.

This is all on Wikipedia so it's not like you can't find it easily. Their sources are solid.

Will it have a soundtrack with Dorothy Previn songs?

Woody Allen is creepy, but he’s always been creepy. I find it hard to believe he’s a pedophile, but he obviously has no boundaries, and thinks he’s entitled to anyone he’s attracted to, including teenaged girls. So, maybe, by definition, that makes him a pedophile, but I think that’s different from abusing prepubescents.

Still like most of his movies. And I still like Mia, even though she’s nuts. Her autobiography is one of the best Written memoirs I’ve ever read. And I like her movies. And I like her Twitter account.

Can’t wait for the documentary! Feels like a gift for this past hellish year.

So fucking sick of this story. Time to move on

Ronan is so pretty now he's going to re-do all of Mia's old films.

One thing that deeply disturbed me in this mess is how Mia responded to the Soon Yi affair. (I never believed that Allen molested the toddler, but that doesn't mean I would ever have him around any of my kids).

I'm a parent and I can't comprehend any situation where I'd throw my kid out if my "husband" seduced her. I was a teenaged girl, and I know a lot of teens throw themselves at older people. But it's the older person's responsibility to not take the bait. Regardless of who seduced who, Woody is the responsible party. Mia's anger at Soon Yi--and her willingness to continue to work and sleep with Woody--is galling.

I'm sure I'm being sexist but I expect men to make terrible sexual choices, and I also expect mothers to protect their kids no matter how made they are at them.

Dylan will FINALLY be heard

Is this saga the neverending story or something? Wasn't this already rehashed five years ago?

Dylan just had a new repressed memory surface, this time Woody did it in the mudroom while she was forced to watched Mia's 1979 flop "Hurricane."

I don't know if Woody Allen molested Dylan Farrow, but I do know he's a creepy, dirty old man. And the way people defend him with their blatant hypocrisy really pisses me off. All because they want to enjoy his movies with a guilt-free conscience.

Interesting Review.

"Dick and Ziering set out to debunk common arguments made by Allen defenders. They showcase experts who discredit the Yale-New Haven Hospital report on Dylan — a primary piece of supporting documentation for Allen’s contention that Dylan either wasn’t being truthful or had been coached by Mia. They put Allen’s victory lap after Connecticut prosecutor Frank Maco decided not to bring charges, despite “probable cause,” in proper context (Maco didn’t want Dylan to have to endure the pressures of taking the stand).

But they aren’t as thorough with refutations when it comes to “the other side.” Moses Farrow has accused Mia of abuse and claimed Dylan was lying. Family members here call him a liar, and move on. Any claims made by Soon-Yi are even more critically dismissed, and there’s an occasional viciousness to how she’s treated in the doc. (Believe them or don’t, but the dynamic within the Farrow clan is unquestionably more complicated and fraught than what is acknowledged here.) "

How can you claim he doesn't have deviant sexual behavior, given Soon-Yi? That's where the Allen defenders lose the argument. Doesn't matter that they're married (he's pot-stock there), doesn't matter that he never officially adopted her. He met her when she was 10. He was in a relationship with her mother for years and had biological children with her mother.

Can you argue that away?

Per Wikipedia: "Previn has said that Allen 'was never any kind of father figure [to her],' and added that she 'never had any dealings with him' during her childhood. The findings of the judicial investigation carried out during the custody trial between Allen and Farrow determined that before 1990 they had rarely even spoken to each other." Soon-Yi would have been 19/20 in 1990.

^ Amusing that. And utter rubbish.

R86, and Satchel and Dylan? Did Soon-Yi know them at all?

[quote]Clearly you are a Woody loving fuckhead.

This is a gay board, so I'm surprised there's not more support for a man whose name means erection.

[quote]Oh fuck off, you Woody loving asshole.

Paging Dr. Freud. Dr. Freud, please pick up the WHITE courtesy phone.