Can someone explain to me the psyche of gay men on the alt-right? They go so hard for masculinity

Some people are into individualism, and being themselves, rather than the forced collectivism that is so popular among a certain set these days.

It's pushback against what they view as the hyperfeminization of the world. Which is the true, the world and the people in it have become overly feminine. They probably view conservatism and associated stoicism as being overall more manly than liberalism and its associated more "feminine" qualities.

I believe a more well rounded and interesting man is one who takes a center-rational approach to politics and life. There are good principles from both sides, just as there are undesirable extremist thought patterns dominating both sides too.

[quote] They probably view conservatism and associated stoicism as being overall more manly than liberalism and its associated more "feminine" qualities.

Then explain Tootie Black, whoops, I mean Blaire White.

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You're right, r2. Guyliner and makeup for men, shaving your armpits, wearing dresses, etc. is being normalized. The pushback you refer to is equal to how heavily the trans agenda is being promoted.

And the marginalization of women continues with mentally ill men thinking they have a right to play women's sports, be in their spaces, wear their sanitary products, etc. The crazy continues.

Didn't Jack Donovan switch his sexuality to be bisexual?

So, he's not even gay?

Milo Yiannopoulos was SO masculine!

R7 if you think Milo is a conservative, you don't know many conservatives. Milo is an entertaining grifter, more akin to P. T. Barnum than the Marlboro Man.

That's not an answer to OP's question R1. You're projecting garbage.

Interesting article here:

Yeah, and the word “gay” is highly disfavored among Alt right same-sex oriented men, as it is among many others. “I am not gay because the word gay connotes so much more than same-sex desire,” Donovan announced, under a pseudonym, on the first page of 2006’s Androphilia: A Manifesto: Rejecting the Gay Identity, Reclaiming Masculinity (echoing, probably unintentionally, the speech Tony Kushner wrote for Roy Cohn in Angels in America). “The word gay describes a whole cultural and political movement that promotes anti-male feminism, victim mentality, and leftist politics.” He appropriated a new term, androphile, to describe a man whose love of masculinity includes sex with other men.

It's not hard to explain. Gay men are alt-right for the same reason straight white men are. They are racist.

Since 2006, Jack Donovan has claimed to be bisexual, not homosexual.

R12 is T'nahasi Coates.

Many Nazis were gay too OP

And like the Nazis OP, they look at effeminate camp gay culture, decide they don't want to be a part of it and then make the illogical leap that joining some alt right movement is the only way they can convince straights that gay men are all not Frankie Grande

Questionable politics. mind blowing sex.

When attributing things like guyliner to the trans agenda and feminization of gay culture, we should keep history in mind and acknowledge that things like makeup and colorful clothes have only recently been the domain of women—we have probably become more gender polarized than less, in the long span of time. And not with any positive outcome—it contributes to the situation where femmy boys are told or meant to experience themselves as “female,” as opposed to feminine.

Daddy didn't love them enough.

I take your point, r18, and it's a good one.

It seems to me there's a lot of 'feminization' going on lately such as Harry Styles in a dress on the cover of Vogue, Ezra Miller on the red carpet, 'research' around men shaving their armpits, etc. I wonder what's behind all this. Is it really is a thing? Or maybe I'm just reading too many DL threads. lol

R18, what the hell are you talking about? 200 years ago is *not* "only recently.

You guys act like these people organically came to their personal philosophy through wisdom and expect.

No, alt right bullshit comes directly from the mothership. So either they are pushing this propaganda for money or they’ve been brainwashed themselves.

Nobody sits around thinking “hmmm, I should promote an agenda of masculinity for wester civilization”. Nobody says this. Nobody ponders this.

It’s only the gullible idiots who sop this crap up.

It's about their idea of traditional (moral) values where men were masculine who would rather die than show vulnerability and be less of a masculine man in the eyes of their peers.

It's about the status quo of toxic masculinity where men are men and gay men were subhumans who'd feel like superhumans (aka worthy) when some alpha male let them hang around and sniff his jock straps in secret while being made fun of by the alpha male's group of masculine guys.

Bullshit - it's just turning the word queer into an insult again. This whole notion that men are feminized is ridiculous. It harkens back to gender roles, that the men worked and the women stayed home and made babies and cooked and cleaned. This masculine 'I'm gay but I ain't no queer" bullshit is just the result of that. Conservative and Gay do NOT go together. Get a fucking brain their platform includes the reversal of rights for gay people.

R24, if there are no gender roles, then why do you prefer men to women?

Because of their anatomy which is 100% different, doofus.

A solid attempt at trying to recruit new members, op. Just remember, your bloated orange pants shitter lost and this coup attempt will fail.

Now fuck off and go get beaten up by Nazis and pretend like it’s just good manly fun. Go on now. Shoo.

r25 Fuck off with that - the whole women should be cleaning and baking and the men who make the money are just straight male fantasies forced on stupid women and some stupid gay men.

R25 This is why the trans ideology is so stupid. A man can be a man even if he wears a dress and guyliner. It's stupid to base someone's gender identity on not conforming to gender norms. At the end of the day, a male is male, and a female is female. Why complicate it?

FAKE NEWS @ r18.

Women have always liked colorful clothing.

I read the story linked in R10, and I can't wrap my simple brain around many of its ideas, which seem to be naval-gazing and self-reinforcing.

"Alt-right" is a meaningless term in a world where both Ricky Gervais and Ricky Schroder have faced the wrath of Woke, Inc.

The question is, why are you even following these guys, OP?

Why do people willingly give time and attention to things and people they hate? It's obnoxious.

Why do people willingly give time and attention to things and people they find obnoxious?

Go away, R34. There's nothing more tiresome than some thinks-he's-much-cleverer-than-he-is dickhead meta-commenting on the topic at hand. If you don't want to read people bitching about things/people they hate, stop fucking clicking on threads in which people bitch about things/people they hate.

Bump

r18, men were wearing makeup, big hair, and colorful clothing in the 80's, that is not too long ago. All those glam rock bands.

The conservative troll is bumping all these threads bashing effeminate men.

[quote]200 years ago is *not* "only recently”.

Relative to the thousands of years of recorded human history, yes, it is.

Not sure about their gay menz, but there are some tough ladies.

It's the new BI - gay men who shun what they think is gay - drag queens, brunch , will and grace - No they are HYPERMASCULINE and drink blood, shoot babies and love TRUMP! - and getting fucked....

Hatred and self-loathing Op that's the explanation whether these sad excuses for gay men want to admit it or not.

[quote] So what is going through gay conservatives' heads?

Very little.

[quote] Daddy didn't love them enough.

That's all. The same trauma, isolation, self-loathing, absence of love, diminished prospects, lack of self-accountability, poor judgment and susceptibility to group-think that makes any person gravitate towards white nationalism. I believe white men who are gay could find this opportunity to be in an closely-bonded group of other men especially appealing.

Very true, R38. There have been a handful of threads trying to stealthily promote the alt-right this morning and this is one of them.

The real question is why some people vote against their self interests. Generally, it's fearfulness and religious upbringing, combined with a belief that they will be taxed less under the GOP.

People who believe what they want over what is really happening are also prone to being alt-right and rightwing.

[quote] Some people are into individualism, and being themselves, rather than the forced collectivism that is so popular among a certain set these days.

How does "individualism" apply to the MAGA cult exactly? They all seem to talk and act alike.

[quote] The real question is why some people vote against their self interests. Generally, it's fearfulness and religious upbringing, combined with a belief that they will be taxed less under the GOP.

It's ALL race. They feel that voting for the candidate that will uphold white supremacy IS in their self interest.

I had a convo with a Gay trumpster - He told me he was an American first and a gay second. I asked him if that meant he was okay with Gays being treated as second-class citizens?? He said yep.

I felt "bigotry" fell under "fearfulness" r48 but it doesn't hurt to be more specific, and you're right.

Even as a straight man I have to admit, Donald Trump's masculinity makes me hard as a rock!

Racism and misogyny, OP, just like any other conservative these days. It’s not rocket science

Also Nationalism is huge for these folks. They’re very fascistic in their opinions; law and order, America First, speak English, etc.

There were tons of gay Nazis. Fascism has always appealed to subsets of gay folks, particularly gay men. This can’t be denied and actually must be acknowledged and fought against.

[quote]It's pushback against what they view as the hyperfeminization of the world.

Then by that line of thinking it should attract more lesbians than gay men.

R12 is a homophobe for calling gay men racist.

{R1} Yeah and individualism and “being yourself” should also include men who want to wear a dress. I don’t give a flying fuck if you aspire to be the next Jason Statham. Have at ‘er!

Progressive movements allow MORE individualism. You’re deluding yourself if you think you can get that in the current Republican movement. If you think Public Enemy # 1 is Harry Styles in a dress rather than say Josh Hawley or Donald Fucking Trump, then you maybe need to read up on how fascism works. But I expect you already know that.

{R5} Ah the increasing shrill desperation of someone who knows deep-down they’re on the wrong side of history! Keep it up. It’s entertaining as hell to watch you losers flame out.

{R45} Yeah insufferable aren’t they? And about as subtle as a Sherman tank.

OP, don't you think the so-called left selling us out to the T had at least a tiny bit to do with it?

Those silly queens ought to understand that the fascists’ conception of “real masculinity” does NOT include getting fucked in the ass.

Was it someone on the "alt-right" who started this thread?

Misogyny

[quote] the psyche of gay men on the alt-right? They go so hard for masculinity

Your headline made me think about the women of the alt-right, they also go so hard trying to act all masculine. Toting guns, ball caps and foul language. Maybe the gay men of the alt-right are trying to act like the women of the alt-right.

Gay men don't have the power to systematically oppress women the way heterosexual men do. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Likewise, heterosexual women still have privilege neither gay men and lesbians have.

R63 is a stealth homophobe. Saying gay men act like women is homophobic.

[quote] Why do people willingly give time and attention to things and people they hate? It's obnoxious.

I have reached your post, R34, and the bulk of the posts up to yours have been describing hate for others. I haven't seen many posts which attempt to answer the OP's question.

Nor has anyone argued convincingly why any minority groups owe automatic support to a single political party.

R46 Are you talking about yourself or are you describing others?

OP, you're not getting much personal explanation in the reponses here. Just second-hand abuse.

Why don't you tell us about Spencer Klavan and Jack Donovan?

Gay men going asshole conservative has nothing to do with masculinity or femininity, it's SHEER HUNGER FOR POWER.

They want power, and power in the form of wealth, and don't give a rat's ass about other gay men or anyone else. So they ally themselves with people who are trying to make the rich richer and the poor poorer, and promote the interests of white men at the expense of everyone else. It's that simple.

I'll take the guy on the right.

Spencer Klavan is the son of Andrew Klavan, who is an author/screenwriter and professional conservative (meaning he writes articles for conservative media.) So the family money is based off identity as conservatives. Never heard of him before but I recognized the last name and indeed he's the son of a professional conservative who uses political columns and punditry to sell his mediocre books.

[quote] his mediocre books.

R72 Have you actually read one before coming to this judgement?

I’ve learned some shocking things on this thread. Mama Cass had a tv show?

Self-hatred.

[quote] Guyliner and makeup for men, shaving your armpits, wearing dresses, etc. is being normalized.

Oh, do fuck off.

They want daddy to accept them.

[quote] Saying gay men act like women is homophobic.

Taking issue outs you as a misogynist.

[quote] Gay men don't have the power to systematically oppress women the way heterosexual men do. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Your white cracker gay ass does. Sit the fuck down, idiot.

[quote] Those silly queens ought to understand that the fascists’ conception of “real masculinity” does NOT include getting fucked in the ass.

Or procreation via test tubes and surrogates. Or raising children in a gay male household. The whole thing is perplexing. There is zero affirmation of anything gay. Beyond the sexual fetish, there is no obvious appeal to any gay man who believed he had a right to exist.

But there is plenty of affirmation for T, T, and more T just like the so-called "left:"

Jack Donovan has written a new book. It seems like he's just a standard republican guy who's trying to be cool.

Just as kooky as gay who defend Islam.

They're probably getting a lot of behind the scenes money and perks to be the face and voice of "gay conservatives." Outrage generators, basically. Ignore.

R5, the people who bitch about things like "guyliner" are the ones who think you're not a real man because you're gay

R1, being an individual doesn't include parroting right-wing talking points you heard on Fox News

R81, the left cares about minorities. Like gays and trans people. The left fought for gay rights. Your fellow conservatives wanted to amend the constitution to discriminate against you

[quote]the left cares about minorities. Like gays and trans people. The left fought for gay rights. Your fellow conservatives wanted to amend the constitution to discriminate against you.

Gays care about minorities that loathe them. It’s pathetic and desperate. Grow a spine.

Many gays are ethnic minorities

The so-called left uses minorities to divide and conquer. They are doing it now by using that homophobic acronym instead of just saying gay. They don’t support us. They want to use us to trick us into authorizing our own genocide. T is gay genocide. Yes, you have blood on your hands if you support it. No, you cannot be a gay Ally and support the T. That’s like saying you can support both Jews and Nazis. That’s like saying you can support both Black people and the Ku Klux Klan.

Stop standing up for the rights of people who will gladly stab us in the back and the front, and start standing up to them.

R89, PREACH! Somebody had to fucking say it.

Give the alt-right, masculine gays a few drinks and they turn into your typical queeny fags. Also, most gay men who embrace right-wing fascism are unattractive and resentful and/or kooky Christians.

Anti-gay slurs AND mental health slurs, R91? Die in a fucking holocaust of grease fires.

R91 = Trans Muslim

R93 = racist transphobic deplorable Jew cisf@gg0t.

As if killing Jesus and oppressing Palestinians with your racist transphobic deplorable Jew cisf@gg0try wasn’t bad enough!

Fascism usually attracts the weak-minded and self loathing.

No one is more weak-minded and self-loathing than a gay man who would rather be a woman than gay.

Oh goodie, another 600-post thread blaming trans people for, well, everything.

*starts mass blocking*

Oh goodie, another homophobic misogynist concern troll at R97 who is just begging for his last moments to be spent turning a golden brown in a grease fire.

[quote] Fascism usually attracts the weak-minded and self loathing.

Is that why it was invented by wops?

R18 really great point that I thought myself and wanted to make but you did it better.

I think he's becoming a cult leader

Trump didn't go far enough.

[quote] Some people are into individualism, and being themselves, rather than the forced collectivism that is so popular among a certain set these days.

And the rest of us recognize that "individualism" is just a front for racism and transphobia. The collective is always right because it is the collective. Conform, comrade!

Living his best, weird life in Utah

Mommie issues.

[quote]Your headline made me think about the women of the alt-right, they also go so hard trying to act all masculine. Toting guns, ball caps and foul language. Maybe the gay men of the alt-right are trying to act like the women of the alt-right.

Of course they are. Gay men are women, lesbians are men, and homosexuality is a symptom of gender dysphoria. You'd have to be a deplorable to deny that at this point. To argue that so-called homosexuality is in any way normal is a reactionary opinion at this point. In fact, you can't call yourself a progressive until you stick your cisdick in my transgina.

R101 who is she again? She talks too much.

R107 just proved my point yet again. Homosexuality is a symptom of gender dysphoria, and letting it go untreated is why there are Republicans.

Jack Donovan is racist adjacent. The only reason he disavowed the alt right movement is because they are homophobic. He’s no better than they are. He’s disgusting...

"White" "gay" "men" deserve homophobia for their racism.

"You're no better" is gaslighting bullshit. It was gaslighting bullshit when Louise Jefferson said it to George for his verbal retaliation against white supremacy, and it's even more so in 2021.

Whatever r111...

[R109] Really? I thought he fitted in with that crowd? Though, he is known for he bragging that he was a top. The dude seems lost and confuse for someone in their 50s. Like he wants to be anti-normie, rebellious, and the same validated by masculine men.

I find it scary that he has a following.

The toxic masculinity is a camouflage for insecure men. They’re such delicate flowers that exuding stupidity makes them feel big. Like conspiracy theorists, they have an ego problem, fed by falsehood.

Professing my homosexuality saved me from being a right-wing hater.

[quote]Professing my homosexuality saved me from being a right-wing hater.

No, it didn't. You're still a deplorable until you get treatment for your gender dysphoria.

Jack Donovan on RooshV forum taking about his sexual desirable as a top daddy

“Yeah, I've been a top for years. I basically fuck men like they are women -- but I'm glad that they're not. I'm banging this jacked rich liberal right now. Probably the best piece of ass I've ever had. I've had sex with women, but I've been with one guy for 14 years, so there is no question of...switching teams...in any meaningful way. He's a good guy who supports me and my work and always has. I have a dude on the side, but it's all on the level, and betraying Lucio -- who became blood-brothers with me for my second book, and has my initials tattooed (by me) on his arm -- because I decided to "explore other ideas for philosophical reasons" would be the homo version of "Eat, Pray Love."

As far at The Way of Men is concerned: It's either right or it isn't. A lot of the ideas came from conversations with my straight friends about their frustrations with their lives. It's not about me "converting" people. Let's be real. I'm a jacked tattooed guy who is more or less a skinhead. Do you for a moment think I can't get laid? The reality is I can post a pic to a hookup app and have someone blowing me inside of 3 hours. I'll be able to pull prime ass from dudes with daddy issues for the next 10 years.”

bumps