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Tulsi Gabbard Introduces Anti-Transgender Bill After Claiming To Be LGBTQ-Friendly

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) introduced legislation in the House on Thursday that would bar schools from receiving federal funding if they allow transgender girls and women and non-binary people to compete on sports teams consistent with their gender identities.

The bill — co-sponsored by Republican Rep. Markwayne Mullin of Oklahoma — was met with immediate outrage from transgender activists and allies who labeled the legislation “blatantly transphobic.”

The “Protect Women’s Sports Act” seeks to clarify that Title IX protections for female athletes are “based on biological sex,” Gabbard and Mullin said in a statement.

Title IX protects people from discrimination based on sex in educational programs that receive federal financial assistance. The new bill would bar schools from receiving such funds if they permit “a person whose biological sex at birth is male to participate in an athletic program or activity that is designated for women or girls.”

A similar bill was introduced in the Senate earlier this year by Sen. Kelly Loeffler (R-Georgia) and other Republicans. Loeffler is one of two Republican senators facing competitive runoff elections in Georgia in January.

Explaining her support for the bill, Gabbard ― who’d previously claimed she supported LGBTQ rights ― said she wants to protect “Title IX’s original intent which was based on the general biological distinction between men and women athletes based on sex.”

“Title IX was a historic provision … to provide equal opportunity for women and girls in high school and college sports. It led to a generational shift that impacted countless women, creating life-changing opportunities for girls and women that never existed before,” she said.

“However,” she added, “Title IX is being weakened by some states who are misinterpreting Title IX, creating uncertainty, undue hardship and lost opportunities for female athletes. It is critical that the legacy of Title IX continues to ensure women and girls in sports have the opportunity to compete and excel on a level playing field.”

Gabbard faced immediate backlash for the legislation.

“Tulsi Gabbard is now introducing a blatantly transphobic piece of legislation aimed at trans and non-binary young people,” civil rights activist Charlotte Clymer wrote on Twitter of the bill.

“Remember when Tulsi Gabbard tried to convince us she was an LGBTQ ally? We knew she was a liar, a fraud,” wrote Zeke Stokes, former chief programs officer of LGBTQ rights organization GLAAD.

Gabbard faced scrutiny last year after homophobic remarks she’d made in 2004 surfaced. At least twice that year, the Democrat had publicly called the LGBTQ community and same-sex marriage supporters “homosexual extremists.”

She later told HuffPost in a statement that she regretted “the positions I took in the past” and noted her more recent support for legislation “that ensures equal rights and protections on LGBTQ+ issues.” In 2017, for instance, she backed a bill targeting discrimination based on sexual orientation.

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by Anonymousreply 350December 18, 2020 8:04 PM

I told you bitches!

This cunt is the phoniest fake who ever faked!!

I'm not even a trans supporter, but the point is that this cunt is a BIG FUCKING FRAUD and a LIAR.

I don't know how anyone even believed her, in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 1December 11, 2020 5:35 PM

First thing she's done that I support

by Anonymousreply 2December 11, 2020 5:36 PM

Where the fuck is the Gays4Tulsi idiot?

by Anonymousreply 3December 11, 2020 5:36 PM

Cunt.

by Anonymousreply 4December 11, 2020 5:37 PM

She's always been a phobe. Definitely a homophobe. No big surprise coming from this cultist.

by Anonymousreply 5December 11, 2020 5:38 PM

With all the problems in the world, who has time to micro-focus on something so unimportant. You have bigger problems to deal with lady!

by Anonymousreply 6December 11, 2020 5:39 PM

We know, you fat whore!

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by Anonymousreply 7December 11, 2020 5:39 PM

Um, my headline is more accurate

Tulsi Gabbard (Goddess-HI) sides with cis women over Trans, Inc.

Join the cooler, earlier thread <3

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by Anonymousreply 8December 11, 2020 5:39 PM

Good for her!! I have to look into her again.

by Anonymousreply 9December 11, 2020 5:42 PM

This is the kind of Democrat I like.

by Anonymousreply 10December 11, 2020 5:43 PM

She's not doing this because she's "siding with cis women." She'd doing it because she's a cultist and a phobe. In January she'll be out on her ass, replaced by the stalwart Kai Kahele.

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by Anonymousreply 11December 11, 2020 5:44 PM

Boris has chimed in at R6 and R9.

Did you also know that CunTulsi had a chinese spy fundraising for her?

She's a fucking TRAITOR to this country, and should be brought up on fucking charges.

by Anonymousreply 12December 11, 2020 5:44 PM

PLEASANT PEANUT CLIT!!!!

by Anonymousreply 13December 11, 2020 5:46 PM

So it seems ridiculous to me that females should compete with men identifying as women in sport.

I would like to know why someone who supports the idea feels as they do.

I'm not preparing to debate I just cannot see the logic or fairness in men competing as women in women's sport.

So clue me in.

by Anonymousreply 14December 11, 2020 5:47 PM

Hopefully she remains a Democrat and doesn’t jump ship because then I won’t vote for her. We need courageous Democrats who don’t change parties and stand up to these homophobic organizations/extremists.

by Anonymousreply 15December 11, 2020 5:48 PM

R14

All competitive sports are inherently unfair.

If you only care about trans women ask yourself why you don't care about all the other forms of unfairness.

by Anonymousreply 16December 11, 2020 5:48 PM

She’s cool with LGBTQIA as long as they keep that shit to themselves

by Anonymousreply 17December 11, 2020 5:48 PM

Not a fan of hers and don’t think this particular issue should be garnering attention at the moment, but this isn’t an unreasonable stance.

by Anonymousreply 18December 11, 2020 5:50 PM

If she feels like a democrat on the inside she is allowed to call Herself one...

by Anonymousreply 19December 11, 2020 5:50 PM

[quote]LGBTQIA

Can we have a bill to get rid of ridiculous acronym, please? All of the acronyms as a matter of fact and “queer”.

by Anonymousreply 20December 11, 2020 5:50 PM

"I'm not preparing to debate I just cannot see the logic or fairness in men competing as women in women's sport."

Using that logic - How is it fair to let 5'3" guys compete against 6'3" guys in basketball

I don't understand why people like you get so worked up over a group of people who make up less than 1% of the population

by Anonymousreply 21December 11, 2020 5:51 PM

Bravo! Trannies in sports are destroying the legacy of women. Women’s rights!

by Anonymousreply 22December 11, 2020 5:51 PM

"Not a fan of hers and don’t think this particular issue should be garnering attention at the moment, but this isn’t an unreasonable stance."

You think it's cool to withhold funding from schools because they don't share your right-wing views?

by Anonymousreply 23December 11, 2020 5:52 PM

[quote] She’s cool with LGBTQIA as long as they keep that shit to themselves

We're cool with Tulsi -- so long as decides to take a long walk off a short plank.

by Anonymousreply 24December 11, 2020 5:53 PM

People who defend this are on the same side as far right homophobes like Kelly Loeffler:

A similar bill was introduced in the Senate earlier this year by Sen. Kelly Loeffler (R-Georgia) and other Republicans. Loeffler is one of two Republican senators facing competitive runoff elections in Georgia in January.

by Anonymousreply 25December 11, 2020 5:53 PM

She's irrelevant now, so it doesn't matter.

Bitch is finished. DONE.

Stick a fork in her.

by Anonymousreply 26December 11, 2020 5:53 PM

Fucking good for her!

by Anonymousreply 27December 11, 2020 5:54 PM

R21 Why do things need to change for female athletes for this less than 1 perfent of the population? How about they realize life is not fair and they can’t get everything they want, fuck their feelings!

by Anonymousreply 28December 11, 2020 5:55 PM

[quote] If she feels like a democrat on the inside she is allowed to call Herself one...

My first big laugh of the day, thank you for that.

I loathe her and all her weird Russian asset behavior, including going on Tucker Carlson, not voting to impeach, etc. etc., but I am with her on this issue and all sensible people should be. Doesn’t have anything to do with homophobia though, so I wish DLers wouldn’t make that claim. This is about the insane trans cult invading women’s sport—nothing to do with gay people or any anti-gay cult she sprung out of.

by Anonymousreply 29December 11, 2020 5:55 PM

[R28] Why do things need to change for straight people for this less than 1 percent of the population? How about they realize life is not fair and they can’t get everything they want, fuck their feelings!

by Anonymousreply 30December 11, 2020 5:56 PM

Tulsi should also introduce a bill to make prescribing puberty blockers to minors for gender identity a criminal offense. <3

Go out with a bang, kween!

by Anonymousreply 31December 11, 2020 5:56 PM

[quote]This is about the insane trans cult invading women’s sport

Which has nothing to do with gay men.

by Anonymousreply 32December 11, 2020 5:57 PM

"Why do things need to change for female athletes for this less than 1 perfent of the population?"

In most cases, nothing is changing since 99.9% of female sports teams have no trans people on them

"This is about the insane trans cult invading women’s sport—nothing to do with gay people or any anti-gay cult she sprung out of."

The insane cult is that one that right-wing hacks like Kelly Loeffler belong to

by Anonymousreply 33December 11, 2020 5:58 PM

Yes R31.

by Anonymousreply 34December 11, 2020 5:58 PM

I have always been suspicious of Tulsi and I agree that this is not an important issue right now.

At the same time, I am not down with mammoth 6 foot six male in a skirt Hannah Mouncey competing against women and smashing their skulls in on the handball court. Ever noticed that it’s always men trying to muscle their way into women’s sports and not the other way around?

All sports are “inherently unfair,” but we have leveling factors like divisions in collage athletics and weight categories in sports like boxing and wrestling. You don’t unleash a giant crocodile into a pen full of rabbits, which is what allowing trans males into women’s sports does.

So 2 1/2 cheers for unpleasant and shady Tulsi.

by Anonymousreply 35December 11, 2020 5:58 PM

[quote] Go out with a bang, kween!

I actually think that's what she's trying to do.

She has nothing to lose at this point.

Tulsi knows that she'll never be elected to any public office again.

by Anonymousreply 36December 11, 2020 5:59 PM

Says you, R36. I'd vote her for empryss of the universe if I could.

I hope she takes down Lazy Mazie in a blaze of glory. She would have kept her existing seat if she wanted to.

by Anonymousreply 37December 11, 2020 6:00 PM

r29, nothing is sensible about siding with the far right - the same people who wanted a constitutional amendment to ban gay mariage.

Nothing is sensible about punishing schools simply because you disagree with them. What's hysterical is that right-wing hacks like Kelly Loeffler are supposed to favor "limited government" but they support using the government to punish people they don't like

by Anonymousreply 38December 11, 2020 6:01 PM

[quote]All sports are “inherently unfair,” but we have leveling factors like divisions in collage athletics and weight categories in sports like boxing and wrestling.

Then impose them.

But you don't care about women's sports -- nobody does -- you just hate trans women.

by Anonymousreply 39December 11, 2020 6:01 PM

[quote] She would have kept her existing seat if she wanted to

Ha ha not a fucking chance in hell!

She is HATED in Hawaii.

by Anonymousreply 40December 11, 2020 6:02 PM

[quote] But you don't care about women's sports -- nobody does

Rofl!

This was unintentionally hilarious.

But you're right, R39. People give ZERO FUCKS about female sports.

by Anonymousreply 41December 11, 2020 6:03 PM

"People give ZERO FUCKS about female sports."

The people who support this don't care about women's sports.....they just want to discriminate against people they don't like. Which is why the same Republicans who support this also supported a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage

by Anonymousreply 42December 11, 2020 6:05 PM

Nice try, R42.

Plenty of people who support same-sex unions are against bulky trannies demolishing teen girls in sports and taking away their athletic accolades and scholarships. Once again, T is all alone but try to glom onto the phantom reality that everyone loves them except crazy wingers.

Just as phantom as St. Marsha throwing the first brick, liberating privileged white gays everywhere.

by Anonymousreply 43December 11, 2020 6:08 PM

I don't know why some DLers feel the need to side with people who hate them

by Anonymousreply 44December 11, 2020 6:10 PM

I love Tulsi.

by Anonymousreply 45December 11, 2020 6:11 PM

r45, she doesn't love you.

by Anonymousreply 46December 11, 2020 6:12 PM

She's a woman of color and not Black.

by Anonymousreply 47December 11, 2020 6:13 PM

Of course the trans lunatic—whom I blocked several weeks ago—is all over this thread. I can’t see half the replies here because they’re written by him.

by Anonymousreply 48December 11, 2020 6:15 PM

[quote]Plenty of people who support same-sex unions are against bulky trannies demolishing teen girls in sports

Yes, but they're fine with them being demolished by bulky cis lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 49December 11, 2020 6:22 PM

The lunatics are the people who defend hatemongers like Tulsi Gabbard on a gay board

by Anonymousreply 50December 11, 2020 6:26 PM

R23 Yes, I am cool with withholding funding from schools that oppose science. Not just on this issue, I would withhold from schools that teach creationism and abstinence-only programs, as well.

by Anonymousreply 51December 11, 2020 6:48 PM

R49 Lesbians aren’t born with Y chromosome and bigger bone density that helps them athletically. Did you not take science in high school? The reasons lesbians are good at some sports (like basketball) is because they are more intense.

by Anonymousreply 52December 11, 2020 6:57 PM

R41 Then why do womens gymnastics dominate the summer Olympic games in viewers while female figure skating dominates the winter Olympics. People do care about womens sports apparently.

by Anonymousreply 53December 11, 2020 6:59 PM

Lesbians have higher T levels.

Ban them and we can talk.

by Anonymousreply 54December 11, 2020 7:02 PM

Then why do serious sports — which aren’t reserved for men — dominate all others, R53?

by Anonymousreply 55December 11, 2020 7:03 PM

Loathe her but this is sensible . All states should wake up and do the same.

by Anonymousreply 56December 11, 2020 7:10 PM

Gabbard is a crank, and undoubtedly will support other cranks with this, even though I generally support its aims.

She would have more success if she copied the troll who hijacks every thread here, and introduce a bill to ABOLISH sex segregated sports and have elite sports categories that are gender free. Argue that it's discriminatory against non binary people to segregate into men and women categories, and insist that genitals don't determine someone's sporting potential. Argue that it's not fair for men who are under 5'8 tall to compete alongside men who are 6'4 in sports where success is determined by limb length, and argue for height segregated categories.

She's receive such a backlash, people would be forced to admit it's unfair on women to compete against men, and she'd win.

by Anonymousreply 57December 11, 2020 7:29 PM

My sister and I (a man) were both track & field athletes in high school and college, so I'm very familiar with the differences between men's and women's sports.

However you feel about her. Gabbard is right about this. Someone once posted a news story on here about a transwoman competing against a cisgender woman in something (MMA or something like that) and permanently injuring her.

While DL doesn't care about women's sports, they are important to the women who are participate in them, and by allowing someone who has an unfair advantage hurts them when it comes to things like records, scholarships, and titles, and can hurt them physically. R57 has a good idea, something needs to be done to draw a clear line.

by Anonymousreply 58December 11, 2020 7:37 PM

[quote] She's receive such a backlash, people would be forced to admit it's unfair on women to compete against men, and she'd win.

Unfair for some women, not for others.

But they don't care about fairness.

They just want a win against trans women.

by Anonymousreply 59December 11, 2020 7:39 PM

R51, if you're against creationism then why are you siding with far right wingnuts who support it? So much for supporting science

by Anonymousreply 60December 11, 2020 7:46 PM

Women care plenty about women’s sports and fought to get them funded and respected.

Not interested in having “women” who were men a month ago shove their way to the front of the line and take massive advantage of natural strength (far greater than lesbian strength) to leave women in the dirt. Women who have achievements in their own right and deserve to compete in their own leagues.

Let trans form their own leagues and battle it out.

by Anonymousreply 61December 11, 2020 7:49 PM

[quote] Women care plenty about women’s sports and fought to get them funded and respected.

No, they don't. The vast majority of women don't care about any sport.

[quote]Women who have achievements in their own right.

Their achievements can be best by any out of shape, elderly male -- according to rad fems.

So not much of an achievement.

by Anonymousreply 62December 11, 2020 7:56 PM

r61 thinks the best way to support women's sports is to say women suck at sports

How exactly would a trans league work when many schools have 1 trans student at most? A lot probably have zero. You Einsteins who think trans people are going to "take over" women's sports do not understand what a small percent of the population they make up.

When you're on the same side as Kelly Loeffler, you're on the losing side of history

by Anonymousreply 63December 11, 2020 7:58 PM

Do trans "men" ever participate in male sports?

by Anonymousreply 64December 11, 2020 8:00 PM

[quote]Do trans "men" ever participate in male sports?

Yes.

In fact, a far greater percent of 'transmen' do that than trans women.

by Anonymousreply 65December 11, 2020 8:02 PM

Are Republicans like r64 "human"? If they agree with Kelly Loeffler on the issues I think the answer is clearly "no"

by Anonymousreply 66December 11, 2020 8:05 PM

R63 if a tranny takes one spot/one scholarship/one pro contract from a female that is one too many, YOU are on the wrong side supporting these deluded trannie loons!

by Anonymousreply 67December 11, 2020 8:06 PM

This is who the anti-trans DL brigade supports

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by Anonymousreply 68December 11, 2020 8:07 PM

"if a tranny takes one spot/one scholarship/one pro contract from a female that is one too many, YOU are on the wrong side supporting these deluded trannie loons!"

No, you and your idol Kelly Loeffler are on the wrong side of history. Just like you were on the wrong side of history with gay marriage, you GOP wingnut.

by Anonymousreply 69December 11, 2020 8:08 PM

There have been multiple posts here about transgender "woman" competing in women's sports. Most of DL was against it, but as soon as Gabbard said she agreed, you queens changed your minds!

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by Anonymousreply 70December 11, 2020 8:08 PM

[quote][R63] if a tranny takes one spot/one scholarship/one pro contract from a female that is one too many

Wow! Just one!

by Anonymousreply 71December 11, 2020 8:09 PM

R69 This sad tranny still thinks everyone not on it’s side is a rethug.....

by Anonymousreply 72December 11, 2020 8:10 PM

Guess who is on Tulsi's side? A far right loon who is trying to overturn the election results! This is who you all support.

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by Anonymousreply 73December 11, 2020 8:11 PM

This is basically the one issue where right wingers sre RIGHT, sorry tranny.

by Anonymousreply 74December 11, 2020 8:13 PM

Trannies ruin everything.

by Anonymousreply 75December 11, 2020 8:14 PM

Broken clock, etc etc.....

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by Anonymousreply 76December 11, 2020 8:14 PM

[quote] Let trans form their own leagues and battle it out.

Bwahahaha.

That would be one fucking UGLY league.

by Anonymousreply 77December 11, 2020 8:17 PM

Yes, almost as ugly as women's pro basketball!

by Anonymousreply 78December 11, 2020 8:19 PM

[quote] Do trans "men" ever participate in male sports?

Don't look at me.

I'm a proper lady!

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by Anonymousreply 79December 11, 2020 8:19 PM

[quote]Guess who is on Tulsi's side? A far right loon who is trying to overturn the election results! This is who you all support.

Yep, there are some unholy alliances in this battle.

Pharmaceutical companies who manufacture puberty blocking drugs are making donations to "progressive" political parties who reply to every trans issue with TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN.

Meanwhile groups who have campaigned against abortion for decades are supporting women's rights groups who have fought them every step of the way.

It's a shit show, but I'm backing Martine Navratilova, who knows a thing or two about fairness in sports and anti gay laws.

by Anonymousreply 80December 11, 2020 8:19 PM

Dude looks like a LADY!

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by Anonymousreply 81December 11, 2020 8:20 PM

If a tranny athlete truly wants to be the best of the best (or compete against the best) they need to compete with men. Why do they want to beat up on inferior athletically females?

by Anonymousreply 82December 11, 2020 8:21 PM

She did something right for once.

by Anonymousreply 83December 11, 2020 8:21 PM

[quote]It's a shit show, but I'm backing Martine Navratilova, who knows a thing or two about fairness in sports and anti gay laws.

What would she know about anti-gay laws?

by Anonymousreply 84December 11, 2020 8:22 PM

"It's a shit show, but I'm backing Martine Navratilova, who knows a thing or two about fairness in sports and anti gay laws."

You're backing Kelly Loeffler, who is a homophobic far right loon.

by Anonymousreply 85December 11, 2020 8:35 PM

Can we get back on topic?!

We need to talk about how amazing and principled Queen Tulsi is <333333

by Anonymousreply 86December 11, 2020 8:39 PM

[quote] Gays4Tulsi! - supporting Tulsi who's been pissing everyone off since 2016

I was actually thinking that this "Gays4Tulsi" weirdo was just trolling us.

Unfortunately, I'm starting to think that they're dead serious.

Which is actually scary as fuck.

by Anonymousreply 87December 11, 2020 8:40 PM

[quote]You're backing Kelly Loeffler, who is a homophobic far right loon.

No, I'm backing gay icon Martina Navratilova and countless other women who want elite female sport kept for females.

by Anonymousreply 88December 11, 2020 8:45 PM

Probably the only decent thing she's ever done. Transmen in women's sports is nothing to do with gay rights. It is in fact a denial of the rights of lesbians and all women.

by Anonymousreply 89December 11, 2020 8:53 PM

When will trannie loons realize most of the world supports bio females over them and is not going to give in to their demands just because they threaten to kill themselves..

by Anonymousreply 90December 11, 2020 8:54 PM

OMG so scary! Are you LITERALLY shaking rn, R87?

by Anonymousreply 91December 11, 2020 8:57 PM

[quote] Transmen in women's sports is nothing to do with gay rights. It is in fact a denial of the rights of lesbians and all women.

What do women have to do with gay rights?

by Anonymousreply 92December 11, 2020 9:03 PM

[quote] elite female sport

Oxymoron

by Anonymousreply 93December 11, 2020 9:03 PM

[quote]When will trannie loons realize most of the world supports bio females over them and is not going to give in to their demands just because they threaten to kill themselves..

I'm sure I'm not in the minority here when saying I support trans rights by

- employment protections

- assaults to be recorded as hate crimes and punished accordingly

- the right to change legal status when certain criteria is met

- improved healthcare

What I don't support is

- automatic right to single sex spaces - prisons, refuges, changing rooms should have *some* rights to say no

- automatic participation in women's sport

- prescribing hormone medication to children without a full psychiatric assessment.

- "deadnaming" being treated as a criminal offence

by Anonymousreply 94December 11, 2020 9:05 PM

R63 Why can’t trans people just play in the men’s leagues? There’s nothing stopping them from doing that and participating that way.

by Anonymousreply 95December 11, 2020 9:05 PM

Why can’t ciswomen?

by Anonymousreply 96December 11, 2020 9:08 PM

About time someone would bring this up after Obama was stupid enough to destroy women’s rights.

by Anonymousreply 97December 11, 2020 9:09 PM

R96 Because they would not win or dominate like they can over bio women.. Transmen compete against bio women for the same reason.

by Anonymousreply 98December 11, 2020 9:11 PM

Just vote for this proposal. Vote!

by Anonymousreply 99December 11, 2020 9:21 PM

Might depend on the sport. Track and field is clearly a disadvantage for both sprints and long distance. Anything physical is questionable. But stuff like skateboarding, snowboarding, artistic gymnastics, anything overly technical is probably fair game to trans women.

by Anonymousreply 100December 11, 2020 9:23 PM

[quote]But stuff like skateboarding, snowboarding, artistic gymnastics, anything overly technical is probably fair game to trans women.

?

by Anonymousreply 101December 11, 2020 9:24 PM

I don't have the same bias against trans people as seems to be the majority here on Datalounge. That said, however, I do feel that most bio-females (I cannot get myself to say "cis") ARE at a distinct disadvantage in many sports against a MTF person.

by Anonymousreply 102December 11, 2020 9:26 PM

I can’t get over the anti-lesbianism on this site.

by Anonymousreply 103December 11, 2020 9:27 PM

r101 what I mean is women have somewhat of a chance in technical sports. There will still be a slight disadvantage though. Men's bodies, no matter if they appear slim or if HRT reduces muscle and bone mass, is built for physical activity. Lung capacity is better, muscle twitches faster, bone density. Any trans women not on HRT is a non-starter, but TRA logic wants it to be no matter where in a tranny's transition they are valid as what they identify as.

by Anonymousreply 104December 11, 2020 9:28 PM

[quote]ARE at a distinct disadvantage in all sports against a MTF person.

Fixed.

by Anonymousreply 105December 11, 2020 9:28 PM

R102 but, but those hormone medications even the “playing field”.... if you pretend that trannies will take them during competition ...

by Anonymousreply 106December 11, 2020 9:30 PM

R104 calls trans people "trannies" but would be crying bloody murder if anyone called him a homo.

Same with r106

by Anonymousreply 107December 11, 2020 9:31 PM

To an extent, R106. But if the body has developed male, the female hormones are going to do little to change that.

by Anonymousreply 108December 11, 2020 9:32 PM

R97, it's right-wing loons like you who are destroying women's rights.

by Anonymousreply 109December 11, 2020 9:32 PM

There was a rule change age about mixed bobsled teams and 2 female competitors were interviewed by the BBC and said it would only work if the make up of the crew was uniform across all participating teams.

They argued that women could never start a sled as fast as a man and the weight of a man would make the sled faster, so no team would contemplate a woman on board if they were competing against an all male team.

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by Anonymousreply 110December 11, 2020 9:33 PM

[quote] [R96] Because they would not win or dominate like they can over bio women

So? I’m short, does anyone care about the unfairness of me wanting to play most sports?

by Anonymousreply 111December 11, 2020 9:33 PM

[quote] Do trans "men" ever participate in male sports?

A few. One is a speed walker who only got her berth because she’s in a niche sport and she had zero competitors. Literally zero. She dropped out at the Olympic trials after less than ten minutes or something in a walk which usually takes 3+ hours.

One was a swimmer on the men’s team at Harvard. She had gotten into Harvard on a women’s athletic scholarship, sat out a year to go into in-patient treatment for mental health issues, and was then allowed to join the men’s team when she started school. She who never swam competitively at any of the men’s meets; her times wouldn’t qualify her anyway and would’ve sunk the team’s overall scores.

And finally the girl on testosterone in Texas who wanted to wrestle boys but state law prohibited it so she wrestled other girls while she was doping and got two state champ titles. She’s at some tiny college now on a men’s athletic scholarship but can’t compete because her double mastectomy left her too injured.

by Anonymousreply 112December 11, 2020 9:33 PM

R90, most of the world is against gay people. Does that make homophobia okay?

by Anonymousreply 113December 11, 2020 9:33 PM

R88 is backing Kelly Loeffler and other far right loons. Real feminists are liberals and don't support right-wing talking points.

by Anonymousreply 114December 11, 2020 9:35 PM

[quote] [R88] is backing Kelly Loeffler and other far right loons. Real feminists are liberals and don't support right-wing talking points.

you think Martina Navratilova is neither a real liberal or a feminist?

Poor little man.

by Anonymousreply 115December 11, 2020 9:38 PM

R114 not wanting trans to compete against bio females or take their spots in sports is NOT transphobia dumbass!

by Anonymousreply 116December 11, 2020 9:42 PM

[quote] - assaults to be recorded as hate crimes and punished accordingly

Good luck to anyone trying to ascertain if those were actually hate crimes.

by Anonymousreply 117December 11, 2020 10:06 PM

Why can’t trans compete against each other? Trans girls and trans boys? If there’s not enough from the school, them recruit from the school district and form teams that way.

by Anonymousreply 118December 11, 2020 10:16 PM

R115 is a poor little man who thinks picking on trans people will give him a reason to feel superior. What liberal sides with Kelly Loeffler?

R116, if it's not a transphobic position- why do homophobic and transphobic people like Tulsi Gabbard and Kelly Loeffler support it?

R118 is truly dumb. Good luck finding enough kids to compete in a trans league in any school district. This is what you're afraid of, people who don't even make up a large enough percent of the population to start their own league

by Anonymousreply 119December 11, 2020 10:18 PM

I think it has something to do with money and scholarship that’s why there’s such a push back against trans kids competing against each other. These trans girls break all school records. It has something to do with scholarship in my opinion. They could make trans-only teams but the urgency isn’t there. It’s not “not enough trans kids”, there’s no urgency.

by Anonymousreply 120December 11, 2020 10:21 PM

I'm not a republican, R66. You might be shocked and outraged that there are many democrats who see the whole trans bullshit for what it is and are not buying it or the bullying that has gone with it. I'm a proud member of the democratic party and the LGB community. Fuck off.

R64

by Anonymousreply 121December 11, 2020 10:22 PM

[quote] I think it has something to do with money and scholarship that’s why there’s such a push back against trans kids competing against each other. These trans girls break all school records. It has something to do with scholarship in my opinion.

Restricting the opportunities for female athletes to progress in their education as well as their opportunity in sport is part of it, yes.

by Anonymousreply 122December 11, 2020 10:25 PM

Last year a British sports journalist called Jonathan Liew wrote an article conflating Caster Semenya with trans women in sport which featured this paragraph

[quote] Let’s say the floodgates do open. Let’s say transgender athletes pour into women’s sport, and let’s say, despite the flimsy and poorly-understood relationship between testosterone and elite performance, they dominate everything they touch. They sweep up Grand Slam tennis titles and cycling world championships. They monopolise the Olympics. They fill our football and cricket and netball teams. Why would that be bad? Really? Imagine the power of a trans child or teenager seeing a trans athlete on the top step of the Olympic podium. In a way, it would be inspiring.

[quote] It’s going to require some fresh thinking, and a recognition that what we’re brought up to believe isn’t unquestionable truth. That trans people aren’t hostile invaders on the shore, but our friends and our colleagues and our families. That giving some of society’s most marginalised groups a chance to express their talent doesn’t harm anyone. Because trans women are women. And sport, I’m afraid, is only sport.

This is a man who took time out from writing about men’s sport to write about why women should be nice and inclusive towards others.

Cunt.

by Anonymousreply 123December 11, 2020 10:34 PM

Go Tulsi! Go Tulsi!

by Anonymousreply 124December 11, 2020 10:39 PM

R66, no one is saying trans woman are not human. Rather, more and more people are saying the truth: trans woman are not women and never will be.

by Anonymousreply 125December 11, 2020 10:39 PM

This is pro-women--specifically, women athletes--not "anti-transgender." Sorry that women's hard-won and constantly defended rights sometimes get in the way of transwomen being given whatever they want.

by Anonymousreply 126December 11, 2020 10:43 PM

Tr*ns is anti-woman, anti-gay, and anti-child.

by Anonymousreply 127December 11, 2020 10:46 PM

[quote] I'm not a republican, [R66]. You might be shocked and outraged that there are many democrats who see the whole trans bullshit for what it is and are not buying it or the bullying that has gone with it. I'm a proud member of the democratic party and the LGB community. Fuck off.

Unfortunately, continuing to vote for them is not going to turn things around. At this point, it is just going to make it worse. I am seriously concerned about losing a whole generation of gay people.

by Anonymousreply 128December 11, 2020 10:48 PM

The person in this thread who keeps harping on guilt by association and "look who you're siding with!!" is making a very serious logical flaw. If Kelly Loeffler and I both think that, say, dog breeding should be outlawed, does that make us the same?

by Anonymousreply 129December 11, 2020 10:53 PM

[quote]You don’t unleash a giant crocodile into a pen full of rabbits, which is what allowing trans males into women’s sports does.

Good analogy

[quote]Then why do womens gymnastics dominate the summer Olympic games in viewers while female figure skating dominates the winter Olympics. People do care about womens sports apparently.

The US women’s national soccer team has a pretty big fanbase.

by Anonymousreply 130December 11, 2020 10:56 PM

R126, Republicans aren't pro women.

R129, if you want to see a logical flaw, talk to the people who think trans people are "taking over" women's sports with no data to back that up, or people who think trans people make a large enough percent of the population to start a "trans league"

You just don't want to admit that 99% of the people who support anti-trans discrimination are Republicans

by Anonymousreply 131December 11, 2020 10:57 PM

R128 proves that this is a Republican thread. Don't vote for Dems, even though Republicans fought against gay marriage and gays in the military, and think people should be fired for being gay! Let's spread the myth that trans people are a threat to gays, and that gays are magically vanishing, even though polls don't back up that argument at all!

by Anonymousreply 132December 11, 2020 10:59 PM

It is time to axe this transphobic cisbitch. There are no non-men. You can’t even spell “woman“ without “man.” Not only that, literally all human beings start life as male sperm.

Anyone who opposes trans rights is trans themselves and refuses to admit it. Tulsi Gabbard is a man.

by Anonymousreply 133December 11, 2020 11:01 PM

R131 Hey tranny idiot tranny grifters can’t get everything they want, got it? Now go suck a dick for your phone payment!

by Anonymousreply 134December 11, 2020 11:02 PM

r132 Tulsi is a Democrat though. You don't think there are democrats or liberals or even progressive left people that are for trans rights in terms of human rights, but aren't down with the trans dogma and philosophy? I know Tulsi is a bad example, but not everyone center left to left supports TRA's commandments.

by Anonymousreply 135December 11, 2020 11:02 PM

Then that automatically makes you a deplorable no matter what else you believe.

by Anonymousreply 136December 11, 2020 11:09 PM

R134, go back to masturbating to pictures of Trump, you low IQ far right loon. If trans people called you a homo, you'd be bitching and moaning, but you think it's okay to call people "trannies"

R135, people who say things like "the trans dogma" are the same people who complain about "the gay agenda" - right-wingers hate and fear people who are different

by Anonymousreply 137December 11, 2020 11:10 PM

r137 Trannies have been calling gay men derogatory names on Twitter. The f word is their go to.

by Anonymousreply 138December 11, 2020 11:11 PM

You could be a card-carrying communist and still be a deplorable if you oppose trans rights.

by Anonymousreply 139December 11, 2020 11:11 PM

Who here actually gets bothered by being called a "homo"? I think the majority of us are beyond school playground trash talk.

by Anonymousreply 140December 11, 2020 11:13 PM

R138, you're making generalizations. Most trans people don't call gay men names, but you know who does like to mock gays? Republicans.

Same people who think it's okay to fire people for being gay.

Same people who think gay marriage is evil.

Republicans

by Anonymousreply 141December 11, 2020 11:14 PM

Tulsi asks: why do the trannies HATE SCIENCE?!

[quote]My ‘Protect Women’s Sports Act’ is based on science. It safeguards equality & ensures a level playing field for girls & women competing in sports. It upholds Title IX’s original intent which was based on the general biological distinction between men & women athletes based on sex

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by Anonymousreply 142December 11, 2020 11:14 PM

r137 Last time I checked trannies were reclaiming the word "tranny". Didn't they come up with it in the first place? They were referring to each other as such for DECADES. It's only till the last five to seven years that it's become a taboo word. But let's ignore the fact that trans people and TRAs are advocating for converting gay men and calling them all kinda of homophobic derogatory words because they don't want to participate in their delusion to allow them to have sex with them or introduce them into gay male only safe spaces.

by Anonymousreply 143December 11, 2020 11:14 PM

R140, if you aren't into playground name calling, perhaps you shouldn't call people "trannies"

And tons of people here bitch whenever a celebrity says anti-gay things.

by Anonymousreply 144December 11, 2020 11:15 PM

R143, the vast majority of trans people don't hate gay men. But your fellow Republicans sure do hate gays a lot. And you know damn well that most trans people don't like to be called trannies.

by Anonymousreply 145December 11, 2020 11:16 PM

r145 I know republicans hate gays too. LGB community is literally in a two front battle between the traditional right wing enemies and now the proliferation of genderism, TQ+, non-binary, inclusive BS on the left (particularly among liberals and woke activists).

by Anonymousreply 146December 11, 2020 11:19 PM

[quote]And tons of people here bitch whenever a celebrity says anti-gay things.

When did a celebrity use the word "homo" as a slur and DLers having a meltdown over it? And do you defend the celebrities or gay people in that situation? If it's the latter, as one hopes, is it with the same ferocity as you're doing right now for the transgendered?

Just wondering where your priorities lie.

by Anonymousreply 147December 11, 2020 11:21 PM

That bill is good. Women don't want those crazy gay men and transvestite to compete with them either. Tulsi should have joined the Republican when her ideas are a lot closer to Republican. She will have a bright future there. Republicans like her more than Democrats like her.

by Anonymousreply 148December 11, 2020 11:23 PM

[quote]I know republicans hate gays too. LGB community is literally in a two front battle between the traditional right wing enemies and now the proliferation of genderism, TQ+, non-binary, inclusive BS on the left (particularly among liberals and woke activists).

You’re absolutely right, but you’re talking to bizarro Log Cabin Republicans who roll their eyes when you talk about left-wing homophobia. You get nowhere when you speak like this with them. Especially on Datalounge. You get the same eye roll on gay right-wing sites when you talk about right-wing homophobia. Been there, been eye-rolled.

by Anonymousreply 149December 11, 2020 11:24 PM

R120 You are correct. In Connecticut, two trans "women" who did okay when they competed in track & field as boys now identify as "girls" and have "won" multiple titles.

It's amazing how become a "girl" makes someone go up 18 places(!) in their sport.

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by Anonymousreply 150December 11, 2020 11:25 PM

No sane person is okay with this R150.

by Anonymousreply 151December 11, 2020 11:29 PM

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by Anonymousreply 152December 11, 2020 11:29 PM

You have to be seriously brain-damaged to think "woke" liberals (i.e. people who are the reason we have gay marriage and gays in the military) are as much of a threat to gays as hate-mongers on the right. You have to be seriously brain-damaged to think it's some kind of threat if someone wants to call themselves non-binary or something. It doesn't affect my life if someone calls themselves non-binary, why on earth would you consider that a threat? Who gives a shit?

by Anonymousreply 153December 11, 2020 11:33 PM

R152, I wonder how you'd feel if your gal Tulsi posted a picture of a gay man and mocked him

by Anonymousreply 154December 11, 2020 11:33 PM

R147 must have forgotten when DL melted down over Jonah Hill calling someone a fag

And Joy Reid posting things that were perceived to be anti-gay

But it's cool to call trans people trannies, right?

by Anonymousreply 155December 11, 2020 11:35 PM

In DL land most gay-bashers are woke liberals and trans people....in the real world most gay bathers are Republicans and fearful straight men

by Anonymousreply 156December 11, 2020 11:36 PM

What do non-binaries have to do with this discussion?

Non-binary ≠ Trans.

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by Anonymousreply 157December 11, 2020 11:37 PM

I'm a guy who supports the DL lesbian ladies. I'll support them every time on these issues. My husbear and other gay friends feel the same. Its got to be the trans who bash lesbians on DL.

by Anonymousreply 158December 11, 2020 11:37 PM

R158, nope, it's conservatives who hate gay men AND lesbians

by Anonymousreply 159December 11, 2020 11:39 PM

[quote][R147] must have forgotten when DL melted down over Jonah Hill calling someone a fag

You just said we melt down over the word HOMO. Not FAG. I think it's you who have the memory problems.

[quote]And Joy Reid posting things that were perceived to be anti-gay

Your thoughts on her comments? Do you think she was "hacked"?

by Anonymousreply 160December 11, 2020 11:40 PM

Who has*

by Anonymousreply 161December 11, 2020 11:41 PM

[quote] (particularly among liberals and woke activists)

It’s really dismaying that all the unabashedly centrist Dem / anti- far left people I follow on Twitter seem to be extremely pro-trans. They’ll toss around the word ‘TERF’ like it’s nothing. Anyone who questions any part of the trans agenda is a ‘TERF’ even if they’re not, you know, a ‘radical feminist’ in any identifiable way.

These are people who are generally the most correct and sensible people on Twitter— extremely pro-Biden, anti-Trump, anti-GOP, pro-Neera Tanden, etc., yet they never, ever question the trans agenda. It’s like their one blind spot. It doesn’t make me question my position, though. I see it as similar to how some otherwise very intelligent people believe in religious dogma.

by Anonymousreply 162December 11, 2020 11:44 PM

R160, I don't support her comments and I don't believe she was hacked....my point was that you freak out over people attacking gays while attacking trans people. Don't bully them if you complain about stars bullying us.

by Anonymousreply 163December 11, 2020 11:46 PM

R162, very intelligent people don't whine about the "trans dogma" - low IQ Republicans do. The same people who complain about "the gay agenda" also hate trans people. And they don't think standing up for minorities makes someone "far left" - that's what Republicans think. They used to attack people who supported gay marriage as being "the far left" too, you know.

by Anonymousreply 164December 11, 2020 11:49 PM

Oh R155. You were probably joining in too calling gays f-gs. Stop.

by Anonymousreply 165December 11, 2020 11:51 PM

Hi, I'm a datalounge Log Cabin Republican. I'll complain about "the trans agenda" because I don't have the self-awareness to realize that the phrase "gay agenda" was used to attack gays.

by Anonymousreply 166December 11, 2020 11:51 PM

And my point is, you don't seem to care about anyone bullying or attacking gays when it occurs. Only when it happens to trans, then it's non-stop lecturing and finger-pointing about how horrible we are.

Since you brought her up, I'll ask this: did you think DL's reaction to Joy Reid 's comments, which you just stated you do not support, was unreasonable? Why or why not?

by Anonymousreply 167December 11, 2020 11:52 PM

R167, I have always stood up to people who bully gays.

Whereas you and the anti-trans trolls align yourself with them. Your gals Tulsi and Kelly Loeffler support anti-gay groups and yet you back them up. Why won't you call them out?

You're a hypocrite who calls trans people trannies while saying it's wrong to call gay people names.

by Anonymousreply 168December 11, 2020 11:55 PM

R165, you Tulsi fans support a woman who complained about the so-called radical homosexual agenda

by Anonymousreply 169December 11, 2020 11:56 PM

Is it wrong to call gay people names though? You have yet to answer that.

You are, however, repeatedly accused me of using the word "tranny" and/or approving its use... unless that was meant for everyone in the thread and not just me.

by Anonymousreply 170December 12, 2020 12:01 AM

[quote]Is it wrong to call gay people names though? You have yet to answer that.

You’re asking loaded questions that why you’re not getting an answer. You believe it is not. Let it go.

by Anonymousreply 171December 12, 2020 12:04 AM

This is pretty fair especially in high schools Biologically born females who compete in high school sports are denied sports scholarships because they're frequently beaten by trans-girls whoare physically superior and most of them have not taken puberty blockers. They're just boys dressed as girls, end of story.

by Anonymousreply 172December 12, 2020 12:10 AM

R170, of course it's wrong to call people names. I wonder if you believe that, though, since the anti-trans trolls are cheering on a woman who made anti-gay comments

by Anonymousreply 173December 12, 2020 12:13 AM

Give it a rest. Prohibiting boys (trans) from playing sports with girls is not bullying.

by Anonymousreply 174December 12, 2020 2:19 AM

This is not anti gay. Trannies have absolutely nothing to do with gay men. Fuck off.

Tulsi is pro women’s rights. Trannies in sports actually hurt lesbians, real women, because it allows men to compete. It’s sickening.

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by Anonymousreply 176December 12, 2020 5:40 AM

Women’s rights have nothing to do with gay men.

by Anonymousreply 177December 12, 2020 5:42 AM

This is a man. No matter how many times it is denied it is still true.

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by Anonymousreply 178December 12, 2020 5:43 AM

R178 a baby came out of her vagina so NOPE.

by Anonymousreply 179December 12, 2020 5:45 AM

Stop lying, R179. That’s Leslie Jackson, an MtF, who went from being an amateur tennis player to semi-pro as soon as he transitioned .

by Anonymousreply 180December 12, 2020 5:48 AM

R177 Even if thats true - what about the rights of homosexuals? What about our right to name and protect our reality? Huh? You do know that it goes both ways, right? Its not just about transwomen ( you seem to be fixated on 'radfems' and their issues with transwomens rights affecting omens rights), but thats short sighted. Gay men are villainized for expressing their homosexual attraction (IE not sexually aroused by vaginas). 'gay' spaces are start to let biological women into them.

So MR Gay man who hates women, why do you support the homophobic trans movement over the rights of gay men?

by Anonymousreply 181December 12, 2020 5:51 AM

The point I was making was that posters above have correctly asserted that gay rights and trans rights are unrelated

However, they also claim gay rights and woman rights are related. Which is untrue.

I don’t support trans over gay men. I also don’t support woman over gay men. Please explain to me why any gay men should care about trans women and women’s sports. Because I can’t think of anything gay men are less interested in.

by Anonymousreply 182December 12, 2020 5:58 AM

r182 Because its not just about womens sport, or spaces, that this shift from legal protection based on sex to gender affects. In codifying gender over sex, homosexuality ceases to be a thing. Any Ayden ftm can sue say a sex club, or app, or gay party if they dont admit her. She can (and will get because of 'diversity') jobs in 'gay' organisations. This literally affects gay men, you silly man.

by Anonymousreply 183December 12, 2020 6:03 AM

[R182] Because its not just about womens sport, or spaces, that this shift from legal protection based on sex to gender affects. In codifying gender over sex, homosexuality ceases to be a thing.

I just don't see that. I am attracted to men who present as men only.

[quote]Any Ayden ftm can sue say a sex club, or app, or gay party if they dont admit her.

Straight women already do that and rad fems support them.

by Anonymousreply 184December 12, 2020 6:24 AM

[quote][[R182]] Because its not just about womens sport, or spaces, that this shift from legal protection based on sex to gender affects. In codifying gender over sex, homosexuality ceases to be a thing.

I just don't see that. I am attracted to men who present as men only.

[quote] Any Ayden ftm can sue say a sex club, or app, or gay party if they dont admit her. She can (and will get because of 'diversity') jobs in 'gay' organisations.

Straight women already do that and rad fems support them.

by Anonymousreply 185December 12, 2020 6:25 AM

Notice how the trans ideologists are trying desperately hard to twist the discussion away from the obviously wrong practice of biological males competing in women's sports - where they know their arguments are weak - to some general whine against transphobia and anyone who says anything that doesn't toe the trans line is right-wing.

It's not right wing to think it's wrong and outrageous that women athletes are being made to lose by having to compete against biological men. It should be stopped.

by Anonymousreply 186December 12, 2020 6:28 AM

All fair, R186: Tulsi introduced this bill because she thought it would hurt Dems.

That's why.

by Anonymousreply 187December 12, 2020 6:29 AM

[quote]It's not right wing to think it's wrong and outrageous that women athletes are being made to lose by having to compete against biological men. It should be stopped.

If that's right-wing, then heil R186!

by Anonymousreply 188December 12, 2020 6:57 AM

Further to that, if being a left wing socialist liberal means allowing males to compete alongside females, then expect a the Republicans to make gains.

by Anonymousreply 189December 12, 2020 7:52 AM

The "trans" nonsense does not belong within the realm of the politics. It belongs firmly in the psychological.

by Anonymousreply 190December 12, 2020 8:04 AM

Who remembers Marion Jones?

In 2000 she won the Olympic gold medal in the 100m in a time of 10.75 - she was disqualified after testing positive for drugs. Ekaterini Thanou of Greece, ran 11.12 and came second, but was not given the gold medal as she is also a drugs cheat

In 2000, the men's 100m had 11 qualifying heats with 9 men competing in each, a total of 99 men. Marion Jones' drug assisted women's gold medal winning time would have seen her finish joint 75th out of 100 in the qualifying heats with the men, and that includes runners who didn't start and didn't finish the race.

The slowest qualifying time for the 40 men who progressed to the quarter finals was in 2000 was10.45. Florence Griffith Joyner's world record time of 10.49 set in 1988 wouldn't have seen qualify for the men's quarter finals either, and there's been plenty of speculation over the years about whether she was assisted with her performance.

So why is it that women are so much slower than men, even when given performance enhancing drugs? Is it biological sex, or is it gender? Maybe if these girls spent less time flicking through magazines, shopping for shoes, gossiping about boyfriends, then they might run faster. Maybe if they adopted male arrogance and competitiveness they'd stand a chance competing alongside men. Or it could just be that male and female bodies develop different and that men have a natural advantage when it comes to strength, speed and stamina.

by Anonymousreply 191December 12, 2020 8:18 AM

LChat is convinced that she's a closeted lesbian

by Anonymousreply 192December 12, 2020 8:20 AM

Tulsi spelled backwards is "I, Slut."

by Anonymousreply 193December 12, 2020 8:38 AM

She's truly a disingenuous, shady asshole. In every way. Fuck her.

by Anonymousreply 194December 12, 2020 8:40 AM

[quote] LChat is convinced that she's a closeted lesbian

I've always thought she was a lesbian.

Have you ever seen her speaking publicly? She's very dykey.

I think she got married to this guy a) because her father is a major homophobe who led the fight against gay marriage in their home state, and b) because the guy is a member of the cult she belongs to.

Whatever the case, she's still a fraud.

by Anonymousreply 195December 12, 2020 10:48 AM

I will not consent to allowing heterosexual men to take opportunities away from lesbians.

by Anonymousreply 196December 12, 2020 10:58 AM

R191 I can't wait for the next Olympics! I wonder how many of the women's games will be filled with transgender "women."

by Anonymousreply 197December 12, 2020 12:22 PM

Why is her father member of the Democratic party when he's such a homophobe? Also, why don't they kick him out?

by Anonymousreply 198December 12, 2020 12:31 PM

Tulsi’s father is a member of the Democratic Party because Republicans can’t get elected to anything in Hawaii.

My niece loves sports and is a talented female athlete and I don’t want her on the field with anything like this. If that makes me transphobic, I’m fine with it.

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by Anonymousreply 199December 12, 2020 12:44 PM

oh, you mean a 6 foot tall ‘woman’ (with penis) won’t be able to compete against a 5 foot tall WOMAN now? Seems fair to me.

by Anonymousreply 200December 12, 2020 12:49 PM

[quote] Any Ayden ftm can sue say a sex club, or app, or gay party if they dont admit her. She can (and will get because of 'diversity') jobs in 'gay' organisations. This literally affects gay men, you silly man.

Rad fems support that because they view FtMs as lost lesbian sisters. They generally prefer them to gay men. It’s only trans women and gay men they really hate.

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by Anonymousreply 202December 12, 2020 1:12 PM

[quote]Iran is a role model for trans activists.

We’re heading down this road.

by Anonymousreply 203December 12, 2020 1:13 PM

OMG at the "woman" linked at R199!!!!

"She" is more muscular and built than 90% of most men you see on the street!

I don't see how "she" is allowed to compete with biological women. But I love the snarky remarks in the article.

And LOL at the team photo at R202's link. They ALL look like men wearing head scarves!!! I don't actually see any women.

by Anonymousreply 204December 12, 2020 5:43 PM

[quote][R191] I can't wait for the next Olympics! I wonder how many of the women's games will be filled with transgender "women."

Laurel Hubbard was due to represent New Zealand in women's weightlifting.

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by Anonymousreply 205December 12, 2020 5:57 PM

[quote] Any Ayden ftm can sue say a sex club, or app, or gay party if they dont admit her. She can (and will get because of 'diversity') jobs in 'gay' organisations.

I’m already calling lawyers as we speak.

by Anonymousreply 206December 12, 2020 5:59 PM

Is she the obese black actress with the pig face?

by Anonymousreply 207December 12, 2020 6:05 PM

Athletics is a physical competition. The physiognomy of a body with a Y-chromosome is fundamentally different from that of a body without one. That's why they separate by sex in the first place. I'm not in support of draconian punishment but I'm not in support of the policy either. Had Caitlyn Jenner competed in the olympics on the women's team she would have set records in all the individual events that would hold to today. No other female athlete has ever reached the heights that Caitlyn did. I guess they're all just not good enough.

In every other aspect I am behind people living as their whatever gender they identity and believe they should be free of discrimination. I totally buy that sex and gender are two different things and the one does not necessarily determine the other. But physical competition falls on the sex side of the equation, not the gender. I don't know the answer. I do know that neither Tulsi nor the policies she's trying to punish are the right answer.

by Anonymousreply 208December 12, 2020 6:16 PM

[quote] Athletics is a physical competition.

Not women's athletics, which, like the Special Olympics, is more 'good for you!' thing than about any real achievement.

by Anonymousreply 209December 12, 2020 6:30 PM

Rad fem hierarchy, from most liked to most hated, in my opinion, generally goes:

1) Political lesbian 2) Homosexual lesbian 3) Straight woman 4) FtM 5) Straight men 6) Female-attracted MtF 7) Male-attracted MtF 8) Gay men

I think I MAY be wrong and would love correction

by Anonymousreply 210December 12, 2020 6:34 PM

I think 4567 are all on the same level. All equal to each other.

by Anonymousreply 211December 12, 2020 6:36 PM

"No other female athlete has ever reached the heights that Caitlyn did." - Because neither Caitlyn nor Bruce is not a woman.

There are quite a few successful female athletes who have achieved the same if not greater heights than Bruce did, even if his record is most commendable.

by Anonymousreply 212December 12, 2020 6:44 PM

"I totally buy that sex and gender are two different things and the one does not necessarily determine the other." - I don't buy it at all. "Gender identity" is a load of nonsense. I don't care if men want to wear dresses and makeup, they're still men. I'll fight for the idea that both men and women should be able to dress how they wish and not be discriminated against as a result. I'll fight to change gender stereotypes. But a man is not a woman simply because he "identifies" as one.

by Anonymousreply 213December 12, 2020 6:48 PM

[quote] There are quite a few successful female athletes who have achieved the same if not greater heights than Bruce did

No, they haven’t.

Unless you believe the Special Olympics are equal to the actual Olympics.

by Anonymousreply 214December 12, 2020 6:57 PM

[quote] Had Caitlyn Jenner competed in the olympics on the women's team she would have set records in all the individual events that would hold to today.

Rather difficult to say considering there is still no women’s decathlon event at the Olympics.

by Anonymousreply 215December 12, 2020 7:02 PM

Caitlyn is a genuine athlete, because she’s a decathaloner, rather than simply a biological mutant.

by Anonymousreply 216December 12, 2020 7:04 PM

A top NCAA D-1 team used to scrimmage with the men’s inter mural team and would get smoked every time.

In UFC, 5'8 135lb Dominick Cruz would crush 5’8 135lb Amanda Nunes.

by Anonymousreply 217December 12, 2020 7:31 PM

I am banging my head against the wall reading the SJWs on Twitter posting shit like "Why should trans women be punished for being good at sports? Good for them! That's probably because they work harder than cis female athletes." None of them actually believe this nonsense. They know perfectly well that biologically male athletes have an unfair advantage over female ones. I know "gaslighting" is an overused term, but it really does apply here.

by Anonymousreply 218December 12, 2020 7:44 PM

From R202's article:

[quote]The legality of sex change procedures contrasts with the country’s otherwise strict laws regarding sexual morality under the nation’s Sharia code, which forbids homosexuality and pre-marital sex, among other things.

Where is the "CONTRAST"? Super-work "liberals" really have to wake up and get over the idea that being pro-trans is incompatible with being anti-gay! This is why someone like our very own "You love Kelly Loeffler! You're a Republican!" troll needs to take a seat an cool off.

by Anonymousreply 219December 12, 2020 10:47 PM

Only male homosexuality is illegal in Iran.

by Anonymousreply 220December 13, 2020 6:10 AM

[quote]Had Caitlyn Jenner competed in the olympics on the women's team she would have set records in all the individual events that would hold to today.

[quote]Rather difficult to say considering there is still no women’s decathlon event at the Olympics.

If you look at Caitlyn Jenner's performance in the 10 decathlon events in 1976 and compare the times/distances etc to the achievements in the women's events, Jenner achieves the following:

Long Jump - Jenner wins GOLD - NEW WORLD RECORD!

High jump - Jenner wins GOLD - NEW WORLD RECORD!

Javelin - Jenner wins GOLD - NEW WORLD RECORD!

100m - Jenner wins GOLD - SECOND FASTEST TIME IN HISTORY!

400m - Jenner wins GOLD - NEW WORLD RECORD!

1500m- Jenner doesn't qualify

110m hurdles, pole vault - not an event for women

Shot put, discus: men and women throw different weights so can't be compared

Which again poses the question: why is an all rounder male athlete consistently out performing female athletes who dedicate all their time to train in one discipline? Are these women lazy? Are their performance times down to how they've been socialised as women?

by Anonymousreply 221December 13, 2020 7:20 AM

Caitlyn is taller and has more muscle mass than most female 'athletes'.

Just as most female 'athletes' have more than most normal women.

by Anonymousreply 222December 13, 2020 7:37 AM

Rofl R214.

You're so obnoxious, but still funny.

Comparing female athletics to Special Olympics? Really? Lol.

Anyway, speaking of Special Olympics...

I think that putting MtF trans athletes in the same league as biological female athletes, is the same thing as putting normal athletes up against those with mental disabilities. Both are UNFAIR and working with two different standards.

To have a truly level playing field, you cannot have people who were born biologically male, competing against biological females. It's just not fair.

by Anonymousreply 223December 13, 2020 8:39 AM

R218 “None of them actually believe this nonsense.”

Sadly, I think that a lot of them do. The social rewards for engaging in doublethink around this topic are strong.

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by Anonymousreply 225December 13, 2020 9:12 AM

Someone like Nadia Comăneci was a far more impressive gold medal winner at the 1976 Olympics. Unlike Bruce, Nadia also had a lengthy national and international career and has still be involved with athletics since retirement.

by Anonymousreply 226December 13, 2020 9:29 AM

I never liked her....

by Anonymousreply 227December 13, 2020 10:02 AM

Do any of us tall bio women get to play against these runts?

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by Anonymousreply 228December 13, 2020 10:07 AM

She (and most of the hardcore transphobes) doesn’t like gays either. So all of you idiots giving Tulsi applause for this are hurting us.

by Anonymousreply 229December 13, 2020 10:07 AM

[quote]She (and most of the hardcore transphobes) doesn’t like gays either. So all of you idiots giving Tulsi applause for this are hurting us.

Could you do me the courtesy of answering a few questions about sport?

1. Why do you think male and female sport is segregated?

2. Why do you think male athletes post faster times/distances etc than female athletes?

3. Do you favour sex categories being abolished and replaced by gender?

by Anonymousreply 230December 13, 2020 10:17 AM

What I love about this thread is that someone points out that far-right homophobes have introduced their exact same version of this bill, and they get 1 WW. One minute later someone will post "Good for her! Love her! She's so brave and right about everything!" and get 27 WWs.

Anyone with even a passing familiarity to DL will recognize the trolling going on here, yet they keep doing it. Why? Not a single person has been swayed to their side. The only DL regulars these sad rightwing ladies have collected are PPSM, Matt and AYB, all of whom were long-time trolls who sometimes went so far as to DDoS Datalounge during their hissy fits.

by Anonymousreply 231December 13, 2020 10:35 AM

They know, R229. These trolls say homophobic shit all the time, sometimes they even do it here when they get really mad or forget where they are. But you can see them over on Twitter, Mumsnet, Kiwi Farms, etc. talking about the trolling they do here and saying nasty shit about gays.

They like Tulsi because she's a homophobic cultist, they're just gonna deny that while they're over here, because they're trolls and that's what they do.

by Anonymousreply 232December 13, 2020 10:37 AM

R232 = supporter of the Iranian "women's" football team.

by Anonymousreply 233December 13, 2020 11:17 AM

[quote]She (and most of the hardcore transphobes) doesn’t like gays either. So all of you idiots giving Tulsi applause for this are hurting us.

This is so manipulative and false. It’s the opposite as a matter of fact. It’s almost like social engineering. Guilting people, threatening people to believe in the wrong thing.

by Anonymousreply 234December 13, 2020 12:25 PM

You won’t get an answer r230, just gobble gabble and double speak (see r231/232).

by Anonymousreply 235December 13, 2020 4:09 PM

The rad fem mindset is so focused on just hating trans women, they really reveal they don't care about sports or fairness in sport at all.

Gay men -- as a people -- are uniquely positioned to critique sport. Rad fems, less so. They usually have woman-brain (ie, IQs usually ten percent lower than men).

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by Anonymousreply 237December 13, 2020 4:16 PM

[quote]You won’t get an answer r230, just gobble gabble and double speak (see r231/232).

Noticed this evening that I had someone following me around on three different threads and it turns out it was you. Hi there, totally not insane person!

I like how you say "I'd eat his ass" on every thread about a male celebrity to make yourself look like a gay man. Very convincing!

by Anonymousreply 238December 13, 2020 11:55 PM

What the fuck are you babbling about r238? Did you forget to dilate dear?

You suck at deflection and gaslighting. Again you can’t/won’t answer r230’s questions.

You aren’t fooling anyone Rhys.

by Anonymousreply 239December 14, 2020 1:07 AM

It’s not fair to have normal people compete in the Special Olympics.

by Anonymousreply 240December 14, 2020 1:10 AM

Those of you arguing that if we agree with this bill we are the same as Loeffler and every other horrible Repug need to follow your own logic because if you are okay with trans invading women's sports, you are in bed with the Iranians. So, see, you want to kill gay people just like the Iranians. There's your logic at work. Still working out for ya?

And, the Repugs are against the radtrans because they hate gay people and the trans have done a really good job of glomming onto the gay rights movement. The Democrats are against the radtrans because they stand up for women's rights. The end result is the same position but the roads to get there are vastly different. The Repugs are, as usual, based on hate. The Dems are based on science and the very real effects the radtrans have on women, the base of the Democratic party.

by Anonymousreply 241December 14, 2020 2:44 AM

R240 I guess you're speaking from personal experience?

by Anonymousreply 242December 14, 2020 2:56 AM

Doesn't this creep belong to a cult? Her robotic voice and cold manner should prove she's mentally ill.

When interviewed it was quite easy to see this woman was not all there.

by Anonymousreply 243December 14, 2020 3:04 AM

A measured, calm tone *would* sound creepy to a histrionic screeching tranny like you R243.

SILENCE IS VIOLENNNNCEEE!!! Tulsi is KILLING TRANS PEOPLE!!! You’re all KELLY LOEFFLERRRR!!!!

by Anonymousreply 244December 14, 2020 3:25 AM

Yes R242/Rhys I’ve personally read your comment about your pleasant peanut clit and am still having a hard time getting that horrific image out of my head.

by Anonymousreply 245December 14, 2020 3:32 AM

[quote]A measured, calm tone *would* sound creepy to a histrionic screeching tranny like you [R243]. SILENCE IS VIOLENNNNCEEE!!! Tulsi is KILLING TRANS PEOPLE!!! You’re all KELLY LOEFFLERRRR!!!!

You got ALL that from my ONE post? LOOOOL You can tell I'm a "histrionic screeching tranny"? You couldn't be any more wrong, I'm a tall muscular masculine gay man who has never been in drag.

I didn't say anything about trans people, where did you get that from? Read the posts thoroughly, your comprehension skills are lacking. I simply stated Tulsi sounds mentally ill, I will continue to say that. She doesn't speak in a "measured, calm tone", she sounds like she's an overly medicated robot. She has always creeped me out. She comes across as extremely cold and has dead eyes. Then, there's that pesky cult she belongs to.

Just because she's a Democrat, don't assume she's a good or normal person. .

You seem quite unhinged.

by Anonymousreply 246December 14, 2020 3:42 AM

R246 I agree with everything you wrote.

by Anonymousreply 247December 14, 2020 4:04 AM

Politics makes strange bedfellows. Outside of social media you are going to find most people agree with her on this issue. It’s still a fringe issue, but it would cost Democrats dearly if it was pushed more into the mainstream. It’s in the “defund the police” category.

Varsity and elite level 15 year old boys can break flo jo’s Olympic record which is still questionable as many think she was juicing in Seoul.

by Anonymousreply 248December 14, 2020 4:16 AM

[quote] Just because she's a Democrat, don't assume she's a good or normal person. .

Tulsi Gabbard is not a Democrat.

Her homophobic BIGOT father is not a Democrat.

They are Republicans who joined the Democratic party in their state, because it was the only way that they could get elected to political office.

Look at their REAL political views, and you will see that they are anything BUT Democrats.

Sheep in wolf's clothing, people.

by Anonymousreply 249December 14, 2020 4:19 AM

[quote]I'm a tall muscular masculine gay man

Sure, Jan.

by Anonymousreply 250December 14, 2020 4:27 AM

Gays4Tulsi get your tongues out of Tulsi's two rancid stretched-out holes.

The Log Cabin ReThugs have sure infiltrated DL. UGH

by Anonymousreply 251December 14, 2020 4:37 AM

R251 do you think biological males should be allowed to complete in sports with biological females including combat sports? Do you have any scientific proof that trans women have no advantages to biological women in sport?

by Anonymousreply 252December 14, 2020 4:44 AM

I can't believe I'd see the day where I side with Tulsi. Ugh. I loathe her. But she's right here. Title 9 was put in place strictly to help bio women's sports prosper. it's NOT anti-trans to see how unfair it is for bio men to play bio women sports. It's utterly stupid to argue for it. Imagine working your entire young life to get a scholarship in track or something only to see a trans woman, who was a boy a year or so ago, race by you with ease because of his genotype dictating that his phenotype was built bigger, stronger, and faster? Screw that! And don't even get me started on the "all of sports is unfair" anti-logic. By that same token, a healthy 25 year old, who identifies as a child, should be able to play T-Ball with five year olds. What's the difference? Sure he's bigger and stronger, but sports is inherently unfair. (Can't roll my eyes bigger or more dramatically).

That said, why don't trans athletes start their own leagues? Women did it in tennis in the 70s and now female tennis players are some of the richest athletes in the world. I think it could be a huge for them.

by Anonymousreply 253December 14, 2020 4:59 AM

[quote] it's NOT anti-trans to see how unfair it is for bio men to play bio women sports. It's utterly stupid to argue for it. Imagine working your entire young life to get a scholarship in track or something only to see a trans woman, who was a boy a year or so ago, race by you with ease because of his genotype dictating that his phenotype was built bigger, stronger, and faster?

You summed it up perfectly, R253.

There is no disputing what you said. Logically, at least.

I'd like to see someone try, without changing the subject, or redirecting the argument. As they usually try to do.

by Anonymousreply 254December 14, 2020 5:01 AM

I agree with the tall, muscular, masculine gay man and I believe he is how he describes himself. I also agree with Tulsi on this trans issue.

by Anonymousreply 255December 14, 2020 5:15 AM

[quote][R251] do you think biological males should be allowed to complete in sports with biological females including combat sports? Do you have any scientific proof that trans women have no advantages to biological women in sport?

I don't care, I didn't come here to discuss what this loon Tulsi said abut trans people. I simply posted that I loather her and think she's cold, robotic and belongs to a weird cult. Stop trailing my posts.

I never thought she was a Democrat. She's a ReThug in Democrat clothing. Just listening to her robotic creepy voice and observing her cold persona, I knew there was something off about this woman.

by Anonymousreply 256December 14, 2020 5:20 AM

STOP TRAILING MY POSTS???!!!

Puurr r256, purr purr r256...

by Anonymousreply 257December 14, 2020 5:30 AM

I think best thing to do is have women’s events played alongside special needs events.

Not the actual events.

by Anonymousreply 258December 14, 2020 5:36 AM

[quote] You couldn't be any more wrong, I'm a tall muscular masculine gay man who has never been in drag.

5’10, goes to the gym once a week, has ‘no fats, no femmes’ on his Grindr profile, huge Andrew Lloyd Webber fan. Repulsed by vaginas.

by Anonymousreply 259December 14, 2020 6:30 AM

[quote] Repulsed by vaginas.

Yes, that’s called being gay.

Funny otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 260December 14, 2020 6:33 AM

[quote] Men have a greater performance advantage over women in cricket, golf and tennis compared to sports such as running or swimming according to new research, which also finds that testosterone blockers taken by transgender women only minimally reduce the biological advantage underpinning performance.

[quote] The study, published in Sports Medicine, found that while elite men are around 10-13% faster than elite women at running and swimming, the gap is between 29% and 52% when it comes to bowling cricket balls, hitting long drives, weightlifting and in sports that generally rely more on muscle mass and explosive strength.

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by Anonymousreply 261December 14, 2020 8:29 PM

R261 that ARTICLE IS LITERAL VIOLENCE. 75 THOUSAND TRANS POC JUST DIED. AND IT WAS A KOBE BRYANT LEVEL DEATH.

by Anonymousreply 262December 14, 2020 8:40 PM

Who needs studies to prove that men are superior to women?

Of course men are better than women. In every possible way.

by Anonymousreply 263December 14, 2020 8:51 PM

I think that women are better equipped to deal with Trannies, because they're much more brave than men.

Just look at the way this one woman stands up to TRANNY RAGE, while the men all cowered in fear.

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by Anonymousreply 264December 15, 2020 3:22 AM

Rofl at R264.

"It's MA'AM!! You call me MA'AM!!!"

"Okay, sir."

"GODDAMN YOU!! STEP OUTSIDE!! I'LL SHOW YOU SIR!!!!!"

Rofl. So lady like.

by Anonymousreply 265December 15, 2020 9:07 AM

[quote] So lady like.

I thought being ladylike was bad?

Or is that just for cisdykes?

by Anonymousreply 266December 15, 2020 9:12 AM

The Jame Gumb Ma'am youtube video linked me to this debate with Ben Shapiro and a trans woman who puts her hand on the back Shapiro's neck and threatens to put Shapiro in an ambulance when he calls her Sir.

Who is the hot Eddie Cibrian lookalike at 2.31?

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by Anonymousreply 267December 15, 2020 10:31 AM

[quote]and a trans woman who puts her hand on the back Shapiro's neck and threatens to put Shapiro in an ambulance when he calls her Sir.

Too bad she didn't.

by Anonymousreply 268December 15, 2020 10:33 AM
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by Anonymousreply 269December 15, 2020 10:33 AM

[quote] The Jame Gumb Ma'am youtube video linked me to this debate with Ben Shapiro and a trans woman who puts her hand on the back Shapiro's neck and threatens to put Shapiro in an ambulance when he calls her Sir.

Rofl.

Why are trannies so violent?

You can take the cock off the man, but you can't take the man out of the trannie!

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by Anonymousreply 270December 15, 2020 10:42 AM

Given what Ben Shapiro has said about gay men, I support her.

by Anonymousreply 271December 15, 2020 10:45 AM

[quote] The Jame Gumb Ma'am youtube video linked me to this debate with Ben Shapiro and a trans woman who puts her hand on the back Shapiro's neck and threatens to put Shapiro in an ambulance when he calls her Sir.

R267, that's Katy Tur's father!!! "Zoey Tur."

A famous helicopter pilot who flew over the freeway, following OJ Simpson escaping in the white SUV.

His daughter Katy Tur is an anchor/reporter on MSNBC.

Btw, what in the hell DO you call a man who fathered a child, but then becomes a woman?

Are they still referred to as the father? This confuses the shit out of me.

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by Anonymousreply 273December 15, 2020 10:59 AM

Just dykes siding with right-wingers as usual.

by Anonymousreply 274December 15, 2020 10:59 AM

Damn, the video at R267 was intense!

Ben Shapiro was definitely being rude and obnoxious. Unsurprisingly.

But at the same time, Zoey Tur never should have made a threat like that. It's why people don't take trans issues seriously. That kind of violent behavior just shows how they want to be called "women," but if they get upset or they don't get their way, these trans "women" will resort to their male physicality to defend themselves.

In a way, it's male privilege also.

This is why m2f trans should not compete with women. They are just biologically NOT THE SAME.

by Anonymousreply 275December 15, 2020 11:19 AM

If gay men stood up for ourselves like that we'd make more progress.

by Anonymousreply 276December 15, 2020 11:28 AM

R264, that's the first time I've watched that video all the way through. I've tried to watch it before but found it too embarrassing to sit through more than a few seconds. "Ma'am" needs help.

by Anonymousreply 277December 15, 2020 1:41 PM

The way Zoey Tur looks at Shapiro towards the end makes me think of Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction.

Shapiro's awfulness restricts his ability to get his point across. I note from Wiki that after this TV appearance "Shapiro filed a police report charging Tur with battery regarding the incident and said that he intended to press charges. Shapiro said he did so to teach the left a lesson. Tur said the report was Shapiro's attempt to keep the story in the news."

Tur has angered other trans activists by claiming becoming a woman made her less capable a pilot because her brain works differently. Crazy crazy lady.

And I'll ask again, who is the attractive Spanishy man with the jet black hair and the nice fitting shirt?

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by Anonymousreply 278December 15, 2020 1:49 PM

[quote] after this TV appearance "Shapiro filed a police report charging Tur with battery regarding the incident and said that he intended to press charges

Battery? If anything, it might constitute terroristic threatening.

But I didn't see any "battery." Unless he's talking the arm around the shoulder thing, which is ridiculous.

[quote] Shapiro said he did so to teach the left a lesson. Tur said the report was Shapiro's attempt to keep the story in the news

No, Zoey. The point is that you can't make threats like that against people.

by Anonymousreply 279December 15, 2020 3:37 PM

Of course you can -- and should -- make threats like that against people.

I just wish she'd actually seen it through.

That's how gay rights made progress.

by Anonymousreply 280December 15, 2020 4:00 PM

I find it difficult to care about sports on any level.

Why do colleges and universities even have athletics teams?

by Anonymousreply 281December 15, 2020 4:11 PM

[quote]Why do colleges and universities even have athletics teams?

Because the world is not yet run by gay men sadly.

by Anonymousreply 282December 15, 2020 4:13 PM

[quote] Why do colleges and universities even have athletics teams?

So that we can have porn sites like "Real Jock" and "College Locker Room Spy Cam," you silly queen.

by Anonymousreply 283December 15, 2020 4:16 PM

[quote] Just because she's a Democrat, don't assume she's a good or normal person.

That is literally the bare minimum qualification.

by Anonymousreply 284December 15, 2020 4:16 PM

Tulsi's father used to be a Republican, and only switched because you HAVE to be to get elected in Hawaii.

She's introducing this bill because she thinks it'll make Democrats look bad.

That's her goal. She's made that clear.

by Anonymousreply 285December 15, 2020 4:18 PM

TERFi Gabbard is a man. All TERFs are eggs.

by Anonymousreply 286December 15, 2020 4:20 PM

Thanks to Datalounge I've now discovered Dancing With The Stars contestant Mike Catherwood, who is a recovering addict of Mexican and Irish heritage.

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by Anonymousreply 287December 15, 2020 4:26 PM

Oh, you found him R287!

He looks a bit like Mario Lopez.

Former addict, huh? Has he finally come to terms with the fact that he's gay, as clearly evidenced at R267?

by Anonymousreply 288December 15, 2020 4:33 PM

"“Tulsi Gabbard is now introducing a blatantly transphobic piece of legislation aimed at trans and non-binary young people,” civil rights activist Charlotte Clymer wrote on Twitter of the bill."

"Charlotte" Clymer? Oh, you mean Charles Clymer, a racist, misogynistic feminist bro who was outed as a sex pest and harasser of women, only to reinvent himself as a super oppressed Brave & Stunning Trans Woman?

This is the kind of shit that happens when you promote transactivist nonsense like "deadnaming". Disgusting people can simply claim a whole new identity and people are required to kiss their feet and pretend the past never existed.

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by Anonymousreply 289December 15, 2020 8:50 PM

Who cares about harassing women?

by Anonymousreply 290December 15, 2020 8:51 PM

You're right about that R249.

by Anonymousreply 291December 15, 2020 8:54 PM

You’re a misogynist, R291, and so is R249. If standing up for the rights of women against violent heterosexual white men, then feminism itself is similarly reactionary.

by Anonymousreply 292December 15, 2020 9:16 PM

You’re a misogynist, R291, and so are you, R249. If standing up for the rights of women of color against violent heterosexual white men is “Republican”, then feminism itself is similarly reactionary.

by Anonymousreply 293December 15, 2020 9:18 PM

R292 R293 You shouldn't be double posting Tulsi.

by Anonymousreply 294December 15, 2020 9:23 PM

Can somebody please explain how one can be both trans and non-binary? Is my thinking too black and white? How can gender mean everything to you (trans) and nothing to you (non-binary)?

by Anonymousreply 295December 15, 2020 9:39 PM

Threadly reminder that the mentally ill, homophobic, woman-hating tranny troll (R4, R16 ... R177, R178, R180 ... R236, R237 ... R285, R290, etc) is a pathetic, miserable LOSER with NO LIFE. He has written over 50 posts in this thread alone, meaning that 1 in every 6 replies is coming from him.

Checking this troll's posting history (block him and then click on "Ignored") will show you that he is nothing but a deranged, homophobic tranny troll with extreme mommy issues that lead to a seething hatred towards women. He shows up in every single thread that is even remotely related to trans and does everything he can to either derail the discussion or shut down criticism. Because people have caught wind of him, he has been trying to disguise his trollish, mentally ill nature by appearing more "rational" and by posting in other threads. Do not be fooled by him.

Some gems from his posting history:

- Says that Bruce Jenner and all middle-aged trannies look better than actual women.

- Derailed a thread about a Moroccan tranny responsible for the suicides of multiple gay men.

- Considers it perfectly acceptable and justifiable for a man to be brutally attacked by a horde of demented trannies just for saying that women have vaginas.

- Thinks little gay boys should be introduced to cross-dressing and drag.

- Sympathizes with and defends child predator Jonathan/"Jessica" Yaniv.

- Spends his entire time screeching about women (specially lesbians) and calling them "TERFs", "fish", "dykes", "cis", etc.

- Believes all women are born hardwired to be narcissists.

- Asserts that being a woman (and by extension being a man) is merely "performative".

- Claims that he came here for "Lucille Ball discussions", yet his posting history will show you that he's just a pitiful troll.

This is your brain on transactivism and crippling mental illness, kids.

FF AND BLOCK.

by Anonymousreply 296December 16, 2020 2:37 AM

R296 What problem do you have with drag Anita?

by Anonymousreply 297December 16, 2020 2:41 AM

r296 The unfortunate thing is that I dont doubt he is actually a gay man, and not a tranny. So its pretty sad that there are such delusional/ angry gay men willing to throw gays and women under the bus due to their weird hatred to 'radfem lesbians'. Holy fuck.

by Anonymousreply 298December 16, 2020 2:59 AM

He said in another thread that he's *terrified* of women, in particular butch lesbians and radical feminists, and thinks that many other gay men feel the same way.

Never ever heard that before, in real life or online.

by Anonymousreply 299December 16, 2020 3:01 AM

Well R299 the nation is so terrified of both of those groups that they won't be represented in Congress anytime soon.

by Anonymousreply 300December 16, 2020 3:09 AM

So now we’ve gotten to the point at which we have to hear about how evil gay men are and how gay men exist to do labor for women.

by Anonymousreply 301December 16, 2020 4:36 AM

R299 is a woman.

by Anonymousreply 302December 16, 2020 4:51 AM

Well, according to trans icon Juno Dawson, a lot of gay men are gay as a consolation prize for not having the stunning bravery to transition, so... thanks?

by Anonymousreply 303December 16, 2020 5:13 AM

Do you want to hear everything rad fems say about gay men? I could fill up the thread if you want.

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by Anonymousreply 304December 16, 2020 5:24 AM

Not particularly, since I'm now a stunning and brave trans woman, no longer a gay man, as you were so helpful in informing me! You're on your own, I'm afraid.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to reach out to my homegurl Meredith Talusan.... If she isn't already reading this thread! Hey sister!

by Anonymousreply 305December 16, 2020 5:33 AM

Not particularly, since I'm now a stunning and brave trans woman, no longer a gay man, as you were so helpful in informing me! You're on your own, I'm afraid.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to reach out to my homegurl Meredith Talusan.... If she isn't already reading this thread! Hey sister!

by Anonymousreply 306December 16, 2020 5:33 AM

R298 He wouldn't have targeted the Moroccan tranny thread if he were a transactivist loon who just so happened to be a gay man. He could have chosen to ignore it (even Pink/TransNews was forced to cover the story), but he deliberately derailed it so the tranny's horrendous actions (that led to the deaths of several gay men) could be swept under the rug. It's clear he DOES have a horse in this race.

R297 Cries about imaginary feminists in his sleep. His mom didn't hug him enough, you see.

by Anonymousreply 307December 16, 2020 1:46 PM

When gay men point out women's homophobia it's because they have 'mommy issues'!

by Anonymousreply 308December 16, 2020 1:48 PM

[quote][R297] Cries about imaginary feminists in his sleep. His mom didn't hug him enough, you see.

A combination of Ludovico chairs and [italic]Pete's Dragon[/italic] Blu-rays (the Helen Reddy version, natch) will take care of that. And if that doesn't work, then try back-to-back reruns of [italic]Maude[/italic] and [italic]One Day at a Time[/italic] in those same chairs.

by Anonymousreply 309December 16, 2020 2:42 PM

Helen Reddy? Take that garbage back to LChat!

by Anonymousreply 310December 16, 2020 2:46 PM

The misogyny troll probably had a run in with a no-shit taking lesbian once, what's why he hates them and wants them to lose all rights.

Finding men's toilets uncomfortable because someone once laughed at him at a urinal, maybe he barged his way into the women's toilets in a gay club and declared "Nasty smell of FISH in here" before a lesbian in double denim told him to fuck off and then threw her pint of Guinness over his crotch area and it made his lovely white slacks look like he'd pissed himself, which then did through fear.

After that incident he swore that women should never be allowed to have their own spaces.

by Anonymousreply 311December 16, 2020 2:46 PM

So you basically admit that all this is about women's rights not gay rights?

Why are gay men obliged to care about that?

by Anonymousreply 312December 16, 2020 2:47 PM

This is just what they do, R312. Constant whining about "women aren't allowed to have their own spaces" as they troll gay spaces, LGBTQ spaces, trans blogs, people's personal social media accounts, etc.

You'll notice one of these trolls earlier in the thread linked to an old DL thread saying that all gays agreed with them -- that's not true, of course, they were the ones posting anonymously and hoping everyone thought they were the gay regulars on DL, so they could later point to their own posts and say "the gays agree with us."

None of them will ever just 'fess up and admit that they don't think gays deserve their own space because THEY what that space all to themselves so they can troll and spew.

by Anonymousreply 313December 16, 2020 2:58 PM

Fuck Tulsi, and fuck the anti-trans loons here.

by Anonymousreply 314December 16, 2020 2:59 PM

R313 do you your masculine penis a shenis or girl dick?

by Anonymousreply 315December 16, 2020 5:20 PM

[quote]None of them will ever just 'fess up and admit that they don't think gays deserve their own space because THEY what that space all to themselves so they can troll and spew.

By gay men, do you mean gay trans men like Chiyo Gomes, a recent contestant in Mr Gay England. In his own words

[quote]I am extremely femme and I don’t play into this ‘masc for masc’ bulls***. I have a period once a month and I have no qualms openly talking about how my pussy bleeds and how difficult that makes navigating spaces as a gay man.

Do you think gay men who don't want to fuck Gomes in the pussy regardless of whether he's on his period are bigots or TERFs?

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by Anonymousreply 316December 16, 2020 7:50 PM

Do gay men have a right to have Datalounge for ourselves?

Yes or no.

by Anonymousreply 317December 16, 2020 7:58 PM

That's disgusting, R316.

I hope Tulsi challenges "him" to a surf-off causing him to drown off the Napali coast.

by Anonymousreply 318December 16, 2020 9:06 PM

[quote]None of them will ever just 'fess up and admit that they don't think gays deserve their own space because THEY what that space all to themselves so they can troll and spew.

Twice on here they've actually said, directly, that they don't thing gay men deserve our own space to me.

by Anonymousreply 319December 16, 2020 9:09 PM

Tulsi is always exhausting...

by Anonymousreply 320December 16, 2020 9:14 PM

Not as exhausting as your preferred pronouns, R320!

by Anonymousreply 321December 16, 2020 9:16 PM

Zero mention of her abortion bill.

by Anonymousreply 322December 16, 2020 9:18 PM

Let's talk about her bill to repeal the PATRIOT Act! Hot off the presses.

Or are you against that, too?

Tulsi: always fighting for what is right and just <33333

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by Anonymousreply 323December 16, 2020 9:22 PM

R320 When you have to resort to insults, you’ve already lost the argument.

by Anonymousreply 324December 17, 2020 9:39 AM

Do gay men have a right to have Datalounge for ourselves?

Yes or no.

by Anonymousreply 325December 17, 2020 9:40 AM

Sorry R324. That's just wishful thinking on your part.

by Anonymousreply 326December 17, 2020 9:41 AM

Just sayin' ...

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by Anonymousreply 327December 17, 2020 10:08 AM

r199 Apologies to you. I hadn't seen your pic before posting mine.

by Anonymousreply 328December 17, 2020 10:19 AM
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by Anonymousreply 329December 17, 2020 10:23 AM

They'll never answer it:

Do gay men have a right to have Datalounge for ourselves?

Yes or no.

by Anonymousreply 330December 17, 2020 10:24 AM

[quote]Do gay men have a right to have Datalounge for ourselves?

You mean without lesbians? No, there have always been lesbians here.

by Anonymousreply 331December 17, 2020 12:46 PM

Datalounge has always included lesbians. Anyone arguing otherwise is wrong and probably not actually familiar with DL.

by Anonymousreply 332December 17, 2020 12:59 PM

These freaks like her and Pompeo still think they can sail to the White House on an anti-LGBTQ platform. They need to join Pat Robertson and Anita Bryant in obscurity (and soon, in Hell).

by Anonymousreply 333December 17, 2020 1:05 PM

The LGB and the TQ are two different things, r333. The vast majority of society opposes the idea that transwomen are women and always will - because transwomen are not women. If we tie ourselves to trans demands and describe trans demands as "LGBTQ" demands then we will always have the vast majority of society against us. If we disassociate from the fantasists who demand that everyone accepts men as women, then we'll progress much further.

Biological males should not complete in women's sports. Boys should not claim that they are girls just so they can "win" in girls sports at school level. This is not an LGB issue.

by Anonymousreply 334December 17, 2020 2:43 PM

The LGB and the TQ are two different things, r333. The vast majority of society opposes the idea that transwomen are women and always will - because transwomen are not women. If we tie ourselves to trans demands and describe trans demands as "LGBTQ" demands then we will always have the vast majority of society against us. If we disassociate from the fantasists who demand that everyone accepts men as women, then we'll progress much further.

Biological males should not complete in women's sports. Boys should not claim that they are girls just so they can "win" in girls sports at school level. This is not an LGB issue.

by Anonymousreply 335December 17, 2020 2:43 PM

Women's bathrooms have always included trans women.

by Anonymousreply 336December 17, 2020 2:59 PM

R334/R335 is a woman.

by Anonymousreply 337December 17, 2020 3:00 PM

Is the trans troll saying anything we haven’t already heard? I’ve got it blocked but it has to be copying and pasting the same shit at this point.

by Anonymousreply 338December 17, 2020 3:55 PM

Just trying to reveal your homophobia.

We've established Datalounge isn't for gay men so far.

by Anonymousreply 339December 17, 2020 6:30 PM

That thing at R327 is terrifying.

I'm pretty sure that the dick is still intact, too.

by Anonymousreply 340December 17, 2020 6:41 PM

Isn't for gay men and isn't solely for gay men are two different things, you obsessive weirdo.

See the look on #44's face in the pic at R327? Says it all. It's the look we all have on our faces when the transtapo claims beasts like that are "women".

by Anonymousreply 341December 17, 2020 6:45 PM

[quote]Isn't for gay men and isn't solely for gay men are two different things, you obsessive weirdo.

And women's sports aren't so solely for ciswomen. They're for real women too.

by Anonymousreply 342December 17, 2020 6:49 PM

I am very confused right now, about the working definition of "'woman" that people are using in this thread.

To me, a woman is a person who was born with female genitalia, chromosomes, etc.

Referring to anyone else as a "woman" is just technically wrong.

by Anonymousreply 343December 17, 2020 6:55 PM

You shoulda thought about that before you started the thread then.

by Anonymousreply 344December 17, 2020 7:36 PM

Go dilate your fake cunt, R344.

Before that wound closes back up.

by Anonymousreply 345December 17, 2020 7:38 PM

When you have to resort to insults you know you've lost the argument.

by Anonymousreply 346December 17, 2020 7:44 PM

Careful, R345.

The 6'2 250 pound "woman" at R344/R346 is going to beat your ass and send you to the hospital "in an ambulance" (to quote Zoey Tur), if you don't shut your mouth.

The fact that you make yourself try to LOOK like a woman (many unsucessfully), doesn't mean that you don't still ACT like a man.

You 'aint fooling anyone.

by Anonymousreply 347December 17, 2020 7:48 PM

The New England Journal Of Medicine want to stop recording a baby's sex at birth.

[quote]Sex designations on birth certificates offer no clinical utility; they serve only legal — not medical — goals. Certainly, knowing a patient’s sex is useful in many contexts, when it is appropriately interpreted. Sex modifies the clinical suspicion of a heart attack in the absence of classic symptoms and is a proxy for many undefined social, environmental, and biologic factors in research, for example. But, in each of these applications, sex is merely a stand-in for other variables and is not generally ascertained from a birth certificate.

If sex doesn't exist, then neither does same sex attraction.

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by Anonymousreply 348December 17, 2020 7:52 PM

If trans women are allowed to take over women's sports women's sports are over.

And that's good for gay men.

by Anonymousreply 349December 17, 2020 7:55 PM

R348 Life imitates parody.

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by Anonymousreply 350December 18, 2020 8:04 PM
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