ELECTION 2020 Part 20

I'm going to bed, bitches.

It's a great night to be an American.

This week has been filled with ups & downs and I am ecstatic that it’s ending like this.

Joe Biden is up to 50% in Nevada and has +27,530 votes.

Imagine not having to feel ashamed and embarrassed about our President and VP.

I want to thank every single person who voted for this ticket. You’ve lifted us all up.

What a great day for America.

[quote]Continuing on

Oh, dear.

Ugh, meanwhile in Arizona, some smirking douchebag asks a black man to do "a monkey dance for Trump". I really hope that prick is doxxed

I hope fucking MAGAs like r7 are shamed to kingdom come

[quote]LOL Faux Noise with Karl Rove worrying about how President-elect Biden is going to handle his social distancing at the Inauguration and at the Inaugural Balls.

Repeating myself but Faux will suddenly discover many things they didn't give a crap about, and drag Biden for not fixing them literally overnight.

Also about Faux hand-wringing about the border wall - as if Trump got a whole wall built and not just a tiny strip.

Hunter Biden is so hot

The next 72 days are going to be scary! What the fuck is trump gonna do?

I really want a blue baseball cap that says MAGA on the front and 46 on the side.

Anybody listening? I think there might be a market out there!

Kamala really choked me up. Just seeing her up there in her white power suit it hit me how significant this is. Even here on DL you hear everyday “we can never run another woman/another black/a gay man” and to see a woman who clearly never listened to doubters, who was a trail blazer in just about every role she’s had, just stand there and radiate power and warmth and charisma. THAT IS the American dream. We’re lucky to have her.

I’m sure it’s a gif by now but the 4 of them got spooked when the confetti went off! And yes Doug looked very tense tonight. I hope they all stay safe.

And Joe. What can I say. A true gentleman with more class in his pinkie that the entire Republican Party have combined.

I’m so happy and proud that I chose to become an American citizen 🇺🇸

But not going to lie I’m still salty that 70m people wanted 4 more years. I’d like to be able to forgive and accept but I’m sorry I’m not there. When I see the footage of Paris ringing bells for us, the wound is just too fucking raw. That they would have burned everything down for a tax break or to be entertained by a clown confirming all their prejudices just breaks my heart. Maybe it always will.

r12. I'd imagine Trump owns the MAGA trademark and will not let anyone use it for free. You really want to put money in his pocket?

I’m having a hard time accepting that we should just let it all slide too. The evil and illegality that Trump and his team are guilty of is ten times what Clinton was. That he got elected on prosecuting her and continued to attempt it still burns me. I really want to see Trump and his cronies punished. Screw the 70m idiots. I will never understand or accept a justification for voting for him. It’s estranged me from my own mother. I find it so morally and ethically repugnant I just can’t let it stand without retribution.

everyone is on the Biden train.

For Pete, probably a fox news surrogate to raise his profile with republicans. Then, run for office. He is pretty young.

After a week of craziness looks like everyone finally went to bed!

Yeah R18 that or people have run out of things to say. The Coronavirus and Grocery threads are dead too. People are just tired maybe, and taking a break.

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CNN reporting Jared has approached Trump about conceding lol

R20 don't worry, the second wave will bring that thread back!

Wonder what Steve Kornacki wears to bed?

I would love to see Dorsey cut off Trump's twitter account. All his recent tweets got flagged or censored as being misleading. Just ban him forever.

Strange he hasn't tweeted at all today, since this morning.

Poor Steve must be sleeping for at least 48 hours.

Exhaling

[quote]Wonder what Steve Kornacki wears to bed?

My guess is underwear. Boxers, boxer briefs, briefs, tighty whites, etc. Not naked though.

Excellent cuddler.

I posted the Jim Carrey "Luh-HOOO-SER!" phrase on the previous thread---

And SNL just did it!

The local newspaper for the area where one of Trump's Scottish golf courses is located is having a little fun:

[quote][bold]South Ayrshire Golf club owner loses 2020 presidential election[/bold]

[quote]Donald Trump, a South Ayrshire golf club owner has lost the 2020 presidential election to Joe Biden, after running again to be re-elected for a second presidential term.

Kornacki is not a cuddler. He probably scrubs himself after sex and then goes and sleeps on the couch if you don't leave.

"This testicle? This one here? This testicle brings me 67.3% of my testicke-originatdd sexual pleasure. But mix in THAT happy testicle with a tongue tickle of my urethra and you have an unbeatable result."

[quote]A Native American dances in the street along with other individuals in Albuquerque NM - Sharon Chischilly

What I love most of all is that all of these celebrations and congrats from world leaders must be killing him.

So the Politico article about the two campaigns someone linked earlier makes it clear that the coronavirus won the election for Biden. Not the corona talk but the actual spread of the virus in February.

[quote]That month, Trump’s campaign conducted a $1.1 million polling project showing him leading prospective Democratic challengers even in blue states such as Colorado, New Mexico, and New Hampshire.

Imagine if the virus wasn't here and Trump sailed to victory regardless of everything else.

20 threads, 19 full, a few rogue, all in 6 days with nearly 12k posts

If Kim Jong-un sends congrats to Biden, Trump may go nuclear.

Why is it so hard for Trump supporterts to admit defeat? I fully admit Hillary lost. It pains me as a Hillary supporter, but truth is Trump won fair and square. This time thr shoe is on the other foot. Biden won fair and square. There is no conspiracy. The election was fair. It's funny that the MAGATS complain about leftist snowflakes when they're literally the biggest cry babies I have ever seen.

R24 Steve still wears the Jolly Jammie onesie that his ex- gave him for Christmas nine years ago.

Have we gotten any results from Arizona, Nevada or Georgia? I'm a Norwegian and I just woke up. It's only 8 am on a Sunday, but I fell asleep early last night after Biden was declared the winner. Didn't sleep much since the election... lol.

[quote]Trump won fair and square.

hahahaha.

No. Just no.

Fuck, I got so drunk on champagne tonight I dropped a fresh pizza right out of the oven! ARRGHHH!!! good thing I ordered two.

R40 The AP called Nevada for Biden on Saturday. Concise report at npr.org

What's the over/under on MAGAT suicides between now and the inauguration?

At this point Biden is president. What the fuck is Trump gonna challenge? Everyone is over it

Biden's lead in GA has very recently grown to 10.1K

[quote] People are just tired maybe, and taking a break.

Or drunk from all of the celebratory champagne!

passed out from delirum over a very hard 4 fucking years.

passed out from delirum over a very hard 4 fucking years.

R46 And people should remember that, in 2016, Dump only won Michigan over Hillary by something over 10K votes.

(btw - Same number of electoral votes: 16)

Biden has it. It’s a shame enough voters didn’t put Ossoff over the top. We need those two seats.

R50 But if we could admit defeat in 2016, why can't Trump's supporters do the same in 2020? The margins are about the same now as in 2016. Be the biggest loser and just admit you lost without claiming fraud. I'm so sick of the deplorables. They just can't accept their nazi hero lost.

R52 We won by a larger margin- this time with a huge popular vote win.

r7 Now, now. instead of focusing on the SJWs who nag society about equality and the fair treatment of the people who make up our base, we "libtards" need to open our hearts to and bend over backward for Trump supporters so we can better understand them and cater to them so they can maybe possibly one day over a rainbow consider the possibility of entertaining the thought of voting for us if Faux News and baby Jesus give them permission. it's the fair thing to do, doncha know.

R52 That's what's deplorable about deplorables.

Personally, I think this sore loser bit ain't gonna play well.

[quote]In his mind, he never looked past election day because he is superstitious and he thought it was bad luck.

So, he thinks *looking ahead* is *bad luck*, that planning for the future is a bad idea…that explains so much. So much.

[quote]no one else dares raise the delicate matter that he has lost and needs to consider life post-presidency

Which pretty much sums up the cowardice of his administration.

And these craven fools, THESE!, are the ones who claim to be the adults in the room reining in his worst excesses. The assholes who are too afraid to even speak to him.

Maybe once they managed to talk him down from super-sizing his fries. Maybe.

To add to the joy of all this is the fact that Trump considered Biden to be an unworthy foe. Not only did he lose, he lost to sleepy, basement Joe!

Excuse me if someone's posted this before.

I respectfully disagree, r58.

Ridiculing Biden was Trump's only recourse and all that he's capable of, personality-wise.

Trump didn't pick up the phone to brow-beat the President of Ukraine to dig up dirt on Hunter Biden two years ago because he thought Biden was an "unworthy" foe. Trump's an idiot, but even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile, and Trump's gelatinous gut was correct when it picked up on the fact that Biden could beat him.

As for "if not for Corona-virus, Trump would have won"- Perhaps, but that strict perspective omits reality- Covid-19 did happen. On Trump's watch.

Trump was not capable of, nor did not have the personality, political smarts, ability, acumen, interest in, to put it crudely, make Covid-19 work for him politically.

Covid-19 didn't defeat Trump. Trump defeated Trump with his massive fuck-up in handling it, his stupid, impulsive mouth, his crudity, his bigotry, his narcissism. Even a conservative Repug on local radio admitted after the election was called that he hated when, for the past 4 years, all you would hear out of Trump was, and I'm quoting this guy directly, "Me. me. me, me,.."

Now , to say Trump defeated Trump isn't to minimize Biden's brilliant campaign choices after South Carolina (Jim Clyburn, I bow down) in behavior, tactics, strategy in winning the election. Biden is a decent, super-capable, good man, who would have, if he were the POTUS and Covid-19 hit, made much better choices about how to handle it.

Why? Experience in governing and political skill; two things Trump lacked in spades.

Nice post Della.

R13, I feel the same. My encouragement to you is take your anger and use that to get (or stay) involved in politics where you live. I will NOT forgive these people, nor will I let it go. They almost drove the car we are all in off a cliff, I’m not forgiving shit. Also, this will likely be the beginnings of a new era, whether they are led by Trump or someone else, my gut is that they will start firing up the hate in their base immediately.

I had posted it yesterday R59 but it's not the sort of thing that many DLers are going to get--a musical theater-based piece would have done better,

But I agree it is brilliant and Beto and Pete in particular, look like they could actually be movie stars

Trump talks trash about his opponents and I believe he considers them all a threat. The only ones he didn't attack directly was, I believe, Michael Avenatti, Stormy's lawyer and Stormy herself. Others brought Michael down for Trump and Stormy was paid off, for sure.

We are heading for two years in the widerness unless we can flip the two Georgia senate seats. Not likely, but not impossible. If we don't, the map looks very good for 2022, but it's going to be tough fighting against the turtle and his minions until then. Stay strong.

I posted this on the first election thread on Tuesday: "Come on, America! You deserve so much better than Trump! Vote him out!"

And you did it, absolutely amazing! Congratulations!

Does anyone know any Trump voters (not his rally attending hardcore base) who justified voting for him with flimsy excuses. I’d like to know how they reacted to this past week. I’d like to think that Mr&Mrs Suburbs are ashamed to have their kids watch the president try to steal an election and they are finally seeing him for who he really is. The few in my Twitter feed are not, they are still saying character doesn’t matter and is not a reason to vote for someone. But are they buying his lies that the election were stolen? Do they know it wasn’t but feel fine about his attempt to cheat and bully his way into a second term?

Agree r64, which is why Biden so emphasized and was so smart to speak of "cooperation" last night; not because he thinks he can appeal to McConnell for good faith cooperation; but precisely because he knows he can't.

Biden, by talking bi-partisanship means it, but he's shrewd enough to want to box McConnell in to having to choose between being an obstructionist, which is what McConnell wants to be, or, pragmatic bi-partisanship with Biden.

And of course, looming over it all, with the greater burden of them on McConnell is the Georgie run-offs and the mid-terms in 2 years.

I wonder with Trump not on the ballot I how many of his supporters will bother to vote in GA for the Senate run offs? If Trump feels he’s done, will he stump for the GOP?

Has anyone had John King?

Mittens recently called attention to Harris and Biden's "admirable character" in a tweet. Just to put the boot in.

Bibi has chimed in

Wow r71. That one has to make Jared especially itchy!

This whole “Trump may concede under these conditions...” thing is a riot. They really are sticking with this asshole to the very end. How long until the media tour where he finally admits he hated being POTUS?

I think Trump will need a bigger bus to throw the entire GOP under it. But I trust Donald to find one in order to distract everybody from the latest scandals about him.

[quote]Wonder what Steve Kornacki wears to bed?

Khakis.

I've been holding off saying this until we saw the actual results, but I sincerely think Biden ran the absolute best campaign possible under the circumstances. They focused on the states they most needed to win, and didn't go crazy trying for things that were going to be reaches. I don't know what effect more time in Texas or Florida would have had , but rebuilding the Blue Wall and trusting Stacey Abrams was the most important thing.

And I legitimately thought the convention was the best I've ever seen.

[quote]And I legitimately thought the convention was the best I've ever seen.

100% agree. It was light years better than the Repug virtual convention. And that video with Joe and the stuttering kid was the highlight.

How is the mood in Miami? Are the Cubans losing their minds or what?

What is going on in Arizona? Is Biden still in the lead there?

As per R71, every major US ally has now congratulated Biden on winning with the exception of Mexico (or did I miss that one?)

So the question now is when do less right wing GOP Senators start congratulating Biden and accepting the results.

Romney already has, but when do Collins, Murkowski, and (especially) McConnell start?

I'm thinking it's after the first couple of lawsuits Rudy tries to file in PA get thrown out--they need to wait long enough for The Base to think they have not thrown Trump under a bus, but not so long that it looks like they are trying to undermine the election.

"I wonder with Trump not on the ballot I how many of his supporters will bother to vote in GA for the Senate run offs? If Trump feels he’s done, will he stump for the GOP?"

Isn't one of the candidates an African-American? Racism will bring them out. Plus being so butt-hurt they'll want to own the libs by keeping the Senate.

Also - the New York Times did an in-depth of survey of what motivated people to vote D or R. On the subject of abortion:

"Abortion should abortion be legal in all cases" - 25% said yes. Of those 18% voted for Trump; 78% for Biden.

"It should be legal in most cases" - 27% said yes. Of those, 30% Trump, 67% Biden.

"It should be illegal in most cases" - 24% said yes. Of those, 72% Trump, 26% Biden.

"It should be illegal in all cases" - 18% said yes. Of those, 80% Trump, 19% Biden.

Georgia's in the Bible Belt. So... they will be reminded if they don't vote R, the D's will pack the court and Roe v Wade won't be reversed.

There is one way to get rid of the Orange Menace once and for all.

I hope that Trump's loss sends his mouth-breathing followers under the rocks from whence they came. I hope they lose all interest in politics.

Romney on CNN this AM: “I do believe, however, that it's destructive to the cause of Democracy to suggest widespread fraud or corruption. There's just no evidence of that at this stage. And I think it's important for us to recognize that the world is watching”

Gingrich on Fox this AM: Calls Joe Biden's election a "corrupt, stolen election" that was "financed by people like George Soros

So they did not get a "James Baker type" but rather Gingrich, spewing out dog whistles about Soros

[quote]I hope that Trump's loss sends his mouth-breathing followers under the rocks from whence they came. I hope they lose all interest in politics.

I think a HUGE component of the turnout is the cult of personality, rather than some endorsement of the GOP. If you look at states like Oregon, which already have very high participation rates, they didn't go up that much. Trump turned out people who don't usually vote.

I would also expect him to go scorched earth on the rest of the GOP for failing him, so I'm not sure he'll give a rats ass about GA.

Looking at the GA senate results:

In Warnock's race, he gets 32.9% and adding the other Dem (not the Lieberman) 6.6% , that's 39.5%. The GOP combined (Loeffler and Collins) is 45.9%. That's a very tough one to pull off by Warnock.

In Ossoff's race, his deficit is 1.9%.

Loeffler needs to be indicted for stock manipulation and insider trading. Warnock needs to pound her on this just as Ossoff pounds Perdue on being a crook. Good thing is the Dems have no negs.

R87, Warnock still has a better chance with huge negatives for Loeffler.

I doubt that Dems will win both as there will be no more Biden to drag them along. Will be very hard. But you never know as we can see from this Presidential race. Never say never.

r89, who is to say that Biden won't campaign for them as President Elect.

Trump is going to lose his fucking mind, McConnell is going to shit bricks and the President and VP Elect can come in and campaign with them for a week before the election. Put Stacie Abrams on the stage with them and it is a knockout.

It will be glorious.

A meme for a laugh.

We'll see just how red Georgia is - some of the D vote might have been revulsion and exhaustion with DJT.

McConnell will be an obstructionist no matter what. He is clearly unconcerned with any appearance of cooperation. In fact, his base doesn’t want it. They love the fight - which is why Trumpmwas ether perfect leader and the other thugs who do anything legal or not to stop the Dems....excuse me, “own the libs”

[quote]How is the mood in Miami? Are the Cubans losing their minds or what?

I live in Miami about 1 mile from the Freedom Tower. There was lots of cheering, cars honking and Cubanos Con Biden signs.

There's supposed to be a big rally next weekend for Biden.

As far as Cubans for Trump losing their minds, that ship sailed long, long ago.

Let us not forget that at the last Republican convention no actual agenda or platform was presented. They were ALL IN for Trump and whatever grifting scam he stood for. They outed themselves to be empty suits just serving Trump's daily mood swings. McConnell's only agenda was to pack the courts. And boy, did he accomplish that. Also, once again, tax break for the 1%.

Without Trump none of the alt-right, Qanon dolts will be able to make any big dent in the next four years. All they will have is maybe Breitbart and FOX News who will legitimize their ramblings. And they will not reach new eyes and ears to convert them to their cause.

R89, doubt GoP voters see Loeffler's negatives as negatives. They don't care she broke the law.

Our hope is that Trump doesn't get involved to boost the MAGA vote, and the GoP will be depressed and stay home -- while the Dems come out in droves. I'm not sure though how plausible a sufficiently depressed GoP vote is with the massive campaigning that's gonna happen.

[quote]Let us not forget that at the last Republican convention no actual agenda or platform was presented.

Only pundits care about party platforms any more.

Rethugs know their actual agenda by heart, everyone knows what they vote for, and that they always vote. This hasn't changed, platform or no platform.

I do not believe the conservatives will be depressed and stay at home. Biden in the White House will motivate them to put as many barriers in his socialist way they can.

What the Republicans have over the Liberals is messaging and controlling the narratives of political issues. Like, Defund The Police. The media hypes the right wing message branding (because, DRAMA! = ratings, click bait) and the Liberals have a really hard time to counter that, by then, established narrative having to remain on the defense.

A bit OT but I never imagined this election would affect to Fox viewership. I’ve been reading con sites for fun because seeing them in rage and anger after four years makes me happy. It seems many of them have moved away from Fox to Newsmax and OANN. They finished watchind when Fox told Joe won several states and projected him as a next POTUS. It’ll be interesting to see will this affect to the ratings of those three con propaganda channels. I am fully enjoying this.

One of the things I hope people have learned from the last 4 years is that while "career politicians" may annoy you and may give the appearance of being insider fat cats getting rich from the taxpayers (which is correct in some cases), the truth is outsiders, who have never run for political office, is not the answer either.

Stop falling for "successful business people" who think they can run the government like a corporation. The government is huge and complex and is slow and sometimes laborious for a reason. We just need to thank the bureaucratic gods for the government workers, whose names we don't know, who kept this country running while a mad man was in charge.

I know it's enticing to want to vote for someone who is just "telling it like it is." But, often those types are just loud mouths with no substance, and an inability to grasp the complicated nuances of government and are just simply out of their depths.

It’s actually scary that even crazier media is taking over from Fox. After watching Fox for a week, I see they are trying to live in reality, I wouldn’t want to see them lose viewers to Newsmax.

[quote]I think a HUGE component of the turnout is the cult of personality, rather than some endorsement of the GOP. If you look at states like Oregon, which already have very high participation rates, they didn't go up that much. Trump turned out people who don't usually vote.

I agree that a lot of the Trump voters were only interested in supporting him and hate much of the rest of the GOP. Once he’s gone and forgotten in four years, a lot of them might just slink back where they came from and not vote anymore.

The Democrats have to continue what they did in Georgia, and fight to get every minority voter to show up in EVERY election. This is where Stacey Abrams needs to be utilized and needs to be training others to do the same in all 50 states.

new website is open

R100 - Obama at one point had said something to the effect of you can't govern the US like you'd run a Silicon Valley company because SV companies only need to appeal to their user base and make them happy while the US government needs to make everyone happy.

Can you believe Kamala is the first person from California who has served in such a high office?

Before you get pedantic, Reagan was born in Illinois and Nancy Pelosi is from Baltimore.

p105, Nixon was born in California.

Suk it up snowflakes.

Kamala's husband did look terrified when he walked out. His eyes were darting about frantically and he thought for sure they were being taken out when that confetti bomb went off! But he is really new to this world and certainly to a stage this big. They are only together 6 years.

Oh yeah, Yorba Linda. I shall slink off now in shame.

In Doug's defense, Biden himself flinched when that first confetti bomb went off.

[quote]I shall slink off now in shame.

Pics please.

r102 Let's see what happens w/ACA @ SCOTUS next wk. Repealing it will help drive turnout because ultimately, many Americans vote by how they will be hurt/helped

No problem R109

California elephants never forget

I’m calling it now that the Trump presidential library will be in Florida and that you will have sit through a time share seminar to visit it.

Was anybody listening to Gov. Noem of SD on This Week?

She is saying that there were irregularities in multiple States, and defending her response to the coronavirus where South Dakota has the worst outbreak in the entire world.

I wanted to their the tv out the window. Stupid cunt.

Irregularies =/= cheating.

Irregularity can be anything that doesn't go according to the book. And they happen in every election.

Immediately after the election, Madame Tussauds studios team redressed Trump in golf-wear and a MAGA hat as part of their presidential display.

God, these repugs are going out of their way to coddle the sore-loser in chief and try not to further hurt the widdle baby’s feelings

MAGAts should wrap their heads around the fact that 1) more voters voted for Biden than for Trump; 2) Trump's razor thin 2016 margins in the Midwest were not guaranteed to reoccur; 3) Dems also turned out non-voters - bc Trump is so odious to them.

The margin in Georgia is now over 10,000 for Joe Biden. I honestly thought the margin will be in the hundreds. I stunned it's not closer than that.

The gap in Arizona remains around 19,000.

He's up in Nevada by over 30,000, and in Pennsylvania by over 40,000.

Considering how tiny NV is, 30K is huge.

Dems in Georgia cannot be led to believe that their job is over; that with the election of Biden, they are finished. I would not be surprised if Trump stages a rally in Ga. for the senatorial candidates, which will inevitably be just about himself and his grievances, rather than about them.

Letitia James on MSNBC now

PA is out of the range where they can ask for a recount.

[quote] I would not be surprised if Trump stages a rally in Ga.

He would do a rally if it would boost his ego, but he won't be able to put it on the campaign credit card now, and you know damned well he wouldn't pay for it himself (probably because he can't afford to).

So, the RNC footing the bill might be a test of whether or not they see Trumpism without Trump as a viable strategy moving forward. And he might be too butthurt about everyone failing to deliver for him that he refuses.

I've had an idea floating around in my head that he might end up firing Bill Barr for the same reason.

[quote]Letitia James on MSNBC now

I'm Tish James, bitch!

From CNN, where we can't link apparently:

But after claiming publicly and falsely that he won the election, sources say Trump is not denying the outcome privately. And two people said Jared Kushner, the President's son-in-law and senior adviser who oversaw his campaign from the White House, has approached Trump about conceding the election.

Another source familiar with the conversations told CNN on Sunday that first lady Melania Trump has also joined the growing chorus of President Trump's inner circle advising him that the time has come for him to accept the loss.

She just wants out of the marriage.

But don't worry, gez, sooner he out sooner me out. Part of plen.

We be frens when em on etside, yeh? Mebbe I be style edviser. You like style.

Yeah Biden is already out of recount range in PA (he is over 0.5%) and that lead will keep growing.

[quote]I would not be surprised if Trump stages a rally in Ga. for the senatorial candidates,

It’s not really a great strategy to have a national loser campaigning for you.

[quote]Was anybody listening to Gov. Noem of SD on This Week?

Nobody was listening to that plastic ho-bag.

Murkwoski's statement

I guess Cuntlips Collins is too concerned to make a statement.

That's about as mealie-mouthed as I would have expected.

Cute boy (PA and GA) is seduced away from his gay lover Red States to his new, cooler gay lover Blue States.

Joe Biden's German Shepard, Major, will make history as the first rescue dog to live in the White House.

Going from a rescue dog to living in the White House. Everything is possible in America.

Meanwhile, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) warned on Sunday that there will never be another Republican president if the current 2020 elections results are allowed to stand.

It appears the Bidens kept their secret service code names ("Celtic" and "Capri") from the Obama administration. Kamala has chosen "Pioneer," but there's no indication what Doug Emhoff has picked.

[quote]Meanwhile, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) warned on Sunday that there will never be another Republican president if the current 2020 elections results are allowed to stand.

*fingers crossed*

R136, all Donald had was that mutty bitch Kellyanne, and she's going back to the kennel now.

Will Melania even bother to decorate the White House for Christmas this year? She admitted on tape that she hated it.

I can see the head florist asking for her input and she telling them, "I don't give a fuck! Do whatever you want."

MY fingers are crossed for R138

[quote]From CNN, where we can't link apparently:

You can read it here:

Mr. and Mrs. Trump will head back to Florida. They'll be there by Thanksgiving and stay there. And why not?

He owns Mar-a-Lago, so the paid staff there will still have to put the best foot forward for the owner/boss.

Now, not so much at the WH. I'm sure the permanent White House butlers, maintenance and housekeeping staff already are treating the Trumps in that slightly off-hand, yet so unmistakable casualness, they wouldn't dare if he had won.

Pence can live at his current VP residence, be the daily VP Major-Domo of the WH during the day, while, with the Trumps gone, sit at the Oval Office Resolute Desk daydreaming how it should have been him who was President.

If Trump were to concede, a lot of the MAGATs would never forgive him for it. They love that he's a "fighter", that he supposedly would never quit. To them, concession would expose his feet of clay.

Kushner is ENCOURAGING the lawsuits! CUNT!

Kushner is a floor wax and a dessert topping

According the CNN, he's telling Trump to concede.

According to Axios, he's urging Trump to continue legal action

I believe Axios

Lawsuits just buying some new cycle time while they figure out how to exit. None of that matters.

But Trump spending the remaining of his presidency at Mar-a-lago is just another grift. Using tax payer money to benefit his resort.

Democrats need to really do an autopsy on This election. Not only did they lose House Seats and likely won’t take the Senate, but they failed to gain state legislatures, which means gerrymandering will continued to be skewed to favor Republicans for another decade. That is devastating

The nest 2-4 years look extremely tough for Dems. There is no way they can avoid not working with GOP and keep courting moderates.

Cal Cunningham could have won if he didn’t get into a sex scandal during an election. But apparently Ernst and Collins were gonna win no matter what. Democrats had an uphill climb taking the Senate. Democrats have an unpopular brand in the South, Midwest, and rural area that can’t be overcome right now

Rural Midwest*

According to a Politico article I read last night. Biden and McConnell have a relationship that goes back decades. Not exactly friends, but certainly not enemies, either. During the Obama years, McConnell always preferred to negotiate with Biden rather than the President (and sometimes insisted on it). When Beau Biden died, McConnell was the only Senate Republican to attend the funeral.

It will be interesting to see if Biden can draw on that long-standing relationship to get some things done even if the Senate stays red.

R152, you can't overcome the mentality of people who live to hate anyone based solely on their race/religion/sexuality and want to be treated as "special" - that's what those other parts of the country want.

When you witness a black president give affordable healthcare to white, lower income people or give coal miners an opportunity to be a part of a future that is coming whether they like it or not, and their instinct is to spit in his face and continue to vote Republican, then perhaps just accept that inroads will never be made with them because they will not accept that they are not better than anyone else.

They voted for scum who did nothing for them and even after they KNEW he had done nothing for them, they voted for him again. The majority of white people in this country are in fact hateful and racist and they deserve no consideration. They only win in this country because our system gives power to the minority. Electoral college, Senate where small states combined don't even have the population to match places like NY and CA, yet they get tons of Senators and gerrymandering at the House level (and we'll see more of it coming).

Why don't people stop telling Dems to be more introspective, stop doing fluff pieces on the "forgotten Trump voter" and start holding them accountable for voting for a party they could only justify voting for because they play to their prejudice since their economic policies are not for their (low) tax bracket?

R60 Biden also surrounds himself with educated, experienced people and takes their advice.

r154 That's encouraging, i guess. However, to get things done, Biden can always use the Trump playbook via lotsa executive orders and appointing Acting heads, which doesn't require Senate approval. What's dumbfounding is Graham, who's purported to have a close friendship w/Joe, going back decades but since 45, is a total syncophant (e.g., $500K to his defense fund)

[quote] When Beau Biden died, McConnell was the only Senate Republican to attend the funeral.

That statement just depresses me so much. How on earth can we end the partisan division when even the death of a (second) child is not enough for politicians to show some humanity and decency.

Good post, R155.

Jonathan Swan at Axios knows best what is happening with Jared and Daddy-in-Law.

It sounds like there was a massive hack of the election to create a red wave and hand Trump a countrywide "mandate". They went ahead with it, concentrating on Ohio and Florida, thinking 2020 would resemble 2016 electoral map-wise. But the mail-in ballots were unpredictable, and Nevada, Arizona and Georgia were a surprise. So the Russiapublicans gained House and Senate seats, but lost the Presidency.

A forensic exam of voting machines would prove that, but of course no one will do that.

Some wrongly assumed that Trump mismanagement of Covid meant certain doom for Trump and Republicans. It barely cost Trump the election, he actually matched or improved his 2016 percentages in some swing states. It was clear in October with his rising approval numbers that half the nation was not punishing Trump and his party for Coronavirus.

R126 I know that has to be fake news because there's no way Melania cares enough to bother.

Watching Gov. Hogan and Sen. Romney on CNN, I am very put off. While their words sound reasonable, reading between the lines of their comments, I felt like there is a hedging regarding the legitimacy of President-Elect Biden's win. Maybe I am being too sensitive. In any case, I know Biden-Harris will usher in so much positive change over the next 4+ years.

And Jake Tapper needs to stop saying that Joe Biden mandated compromise. Yes, Biden talked about cooperation, but to me his tone was more, "I'm giving you (repubs) the opportunity to work with us, but if you choose to stonewall, fuck off!".

It's not hard to figure out what's really going on with Jared. He's calling people up as a, "source," and "leaking," info that he's the one trying to do the right thing but in reality he's egging the chaos on and telling Orange to stay in it.

Jared and Daddy's Little Vagina are all about getting themselves good press in hopes of driving off the pitch forks.

[quote]Biden also surrounds himself with educated, experienced people and takes their advice.

Just like Trump!

I think Joe can achieve as much unity as can be achieved by governing in a way that benefits the poor and the middle class (sorry, I can only spend so much time trying to find the right words.)

I don't think he needs to do combat with the Republicans... unless that's what they earn. But if they earn it (and they will) then call them on it. That's the thing... they never get called on what they're trying to do.

If it was me I'd position the Georgia runoffs as a referendum on a better way - that's under the control of Mitch McConnell. So what do you want for yourself and do you want Mitch McConnell to stop it - because Mitch McConnell has proven time and time again that is what he will do.

Here's the thing: Suddenly Mitt, Collins and Murkowski become a lot more power.

[quote] Some wrongly assumed that Trump mismanagement of Covid meant certain doom for Trump and Republicans. It barely cost Trump the election, he actually matched or improved his 2016 percentages in some swing states. It was clear in October with his rising approval numbers that half the nation was not punishing Trump and his party for Coronavirus.

Trump completely mismanaged the deadliest health crisis in a century, and half the electorate just shrugged and didn't care.

You would think the Bob Woodward tapes might have had some effect. You would think some Trumpers would wonder how Trump could be saying one thing to the public wile saying the opposite to Woodward. But that didn't seem to move the needle either.

There was literally nothing Trump could say or do that would have caused his supporters or the Republican Party to abandon him.

R169, he was right about one thing: He could shoot someone on 5th. The reason he was right is because he knows there are millions of people who are as repulsive and indecent as he is.

[quote]There was literally nothing Trump could say or do that would have caused his supporters or the Republican Party to abandon him.

And that's the mystery to me. Not from a moral point of view but from a political, tactical point of view. Why wouldn't a wide margin have turned away from him? It doesn't make any sense. He should have repelled far greater numbers of voters.

I really want to understand that. I know that DL's anger and sensibilities will just call them evil and stupid and mouth breathers but it probably isn't quite that simple. Until we understand the nuance of it, elections will always be much harder to win than they should be. Because there's something at the root of 70M votes for that monster and only about 5 M more for the good guy. We gotta understand that.

Quit acting confused by Deplorables, they’re basic motivation is they “ain’t gonna be told what to do by no fags or niggers!” They’re stupid and that’s it.

Trump is and always has been a preposterous person. I doubt we'll ever see another presidential candidate like him. I will never understand why he attracted so many people who were too dumb to realize how much he loathed them.

R172... I'm just not convinced it's that simple or there's that many of them.

R171

It's not that complicated.

The overarching main theme of american history has been: Rich, white, straight people manipulate and pit poor white people against non-white, non-straight people. Rinse. Repeat. Profit.

It's not hard to brainwash people into being profoundly self-destructive. We have whole industries devoted to it actually. They're called marketing and advertising.

R171

If we had quality, public education in this country with funding distributed fairly across school districts regardless of the affluence of the local community, then it would make a difference.

Critical thinking development actually matters and education affects that.

I would also add that being a Trumpist became a cultural identifier for many working class Americans, sort of like Confederate flags, jeans shorts, electric scooters to get around Walmart, fast food, tattoos, pickup trucks, reality TV shows, guns and names like Kayleigh.

He was the first politician in decades who appealed to them directly and they responded in kind.

Here's the problem with how you think, R171: If a stabbing by an individual occurs in Europe at the hands of someone who was born Muslim, there is no possibility -in the minds of people like you- that it could have occurred for any other reason than that he was Muslim. You don't wonder why he did what he did, what kind of life he may have had which drove him to do it. You just go with the simplistic narrative of "jihad" which is then applied to anyone who is Muslim who would never even think of doing such a thing.

Yet, over and over and over again you see with Trump supporters (who are overwhelmingly white) that we know precisely why they support Trump. He offered them nothing but hate for their fellow citizens. He told them not to wear masks and that covid was no big deal. He endlessly lied to them and rather than go with an obviously decent man like Biden who preached that we are all human and all equal, they went with Trump because their hate supersedes everything else: Their health, their income, their decency.

LBJ knew who they were then, we know who they are now:

[quote]“I’ll tell you what’s at the bottom of it,” he said. “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

R174 I'm not either. I don't know any deplorable rally going types but I do know too many middle class and above people who supported Trump and seemed to see nothing at all wrong with how he ran the country.

R178, you contradict yourself in the first paragraph but I suspect on your high horse that won't matter.

Trump seemed UNHINGED on the golf course, yesterday.

The photos of him going back to the White House were very disturbing. This man is living in a different universe right now, and I don't know if his trashy family is going to help him realize he's lost the election!!

[quote]Democrats need to really do an autopsy on This election.

I believe the usual term is "post-mortem," not autopsy.

[quote]Meanwhile, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) warned on Sunday that there will never be another Republican president if the current 2020 elections results are allowed to stand.

Is that a promise or a threat?

[quote]Joe Biden's German Shepard

Oh, dear.

R181 you wrote the entirety of that as if it's completely new.

He's living in a different universe right NOW?

Charles Barkley said it best during the 92 Olympics, "Why don't they just take their ass-whipping like people and go home?"

[quote]Trump seemed UNHINGED on the golf course, yesterday.

How so? Was there video or something? I missed it

[quote]And that's the mystery to me. Not from a moral point of view but from a political, tactical point of view. Why wouldn't a wide margin have turned away from him? It doesn't make any sense. He should have repelled far greater numbers of voters.

You're missing one key factor, R171: they live in a completely different world than we do. They listen to different news sources, read different blogs, watch different television news, belong to different Facebook and Reddit groups, watch different YouTube videos, and listen to different Twitter accounts. In the MAGAverse they inhabit:

- Trump's swift action on the coronavirus saved hundreds of thousands of lives.

- Obama destroyed the economy and Trump brought it back to life.

- Obama created ISIS; Trump destroyed it.

- Trump has been the single most effective President ever, with literally hundreds of accomplishments to his record.

- Trump has taken a firm line with all of those foreign countries who have been taking advantage of us for decades. As a result, we are more widely respected and feared than we ever have been and we have more new trade deals that are better for the U.S. than we ever have in the past.

- Obama is a traitor who spied on Trump and used the power of the Presidency and the "Deep State" to try to block him.

- Trump has had to deal with more obstruction than any President before him and his opponents are all angry that their obstructionism hasn't worked, as Trump has overcome everything they have thrown at him.

- Biden is senile and a likely pedophile who can barely craft two sentences together and who is being propped up, with Harris as the power behind the throne.

And I'm not even going to go there when it comes to discussions of Congressional Democrats, liberals, "the squad," etc., other than to point out that in all of those sources they trust, we are the enemy, we are traitors, we are trying to destroy the country, destroy them.

If you think I'm exaggerating, I assure you I'm not. His supporters, and far too much of the country today, don't trust any of the "mainstream media," as it is all "fake news." Given the world they live in, the information they are fed, is Trump's relative success really that much of a surprise?

R188 - when will the Deplorable Deprogramming begin?

It's precisely because we live in different worlds that I don't see a way forward to fixing this, R189. It's easy to say that Republicans have grown so extreme, moved so far right, that the party cannot possibly remain viable, but in their world, in those conservative bubbles, they aren't "far right," they aren't "extreme," they are "patriots" who love the country and are trying to save it from those trying to destroy it. And when exposed to the truth, instead of acknowledging it, they reject it and double down on their beliefs, even when those beliefs don't make any sense (e.g., QAnon).

R188, in fairness, very little media, mainstream or otherwise is presenting unbiased news. Even sources like Axios reveal their financial and editorial biases on a regular basis. AP sold out to RT earlier this year. If there were a large source that presented Just The Facts, M’Am, with zero editorializing and in the most neutral terms possible, we’d be living in a very different world. But it serves none of the moneyed interests to make such a source available.

[quote]It's precisely because we live in different worlds that I don't see a way forward to fixing this

Education. Sure, it's the long-term solution, but you improve education rates and you kill off the audience for the right wing propaganda.

[quote] Charles Barkley said it best during the 92 Olympics, "Why don't they just take their ass-whipping like people and go home?"

I like CB, but that was ridiculous to have basketball (an American sport) in the Olympics. The US Olympics "Dream Team" was made up of professional NBA basketball players from various teams.

Yeah I dipped into a conservative subreddit once and they were blaming Nancy Pelosi for covid. When Trump brought her up at the debate, something about her dancing through Chinatown??, I thought that's a big dog whistle to those types who will believe they are totally correct and backed up by the commander in chief. His debate performances were so crazy because he was speaking soundbites from conservative media that most of us are not mired in so you had to go back and look at what he said and then connect it to the various lies and conspiracies' on BB and Fox and the social feeds of right wing figures. Then as if we weren't bad enough we got Q.

R189

When their schools aren't shockingly under-funded shitholes that are actually just gloried baby-sitting services.

Guess how much affluent heteros want to spread their tax revenue across everyone's school districts though. They don't see public education as a public good to everyone's benefit. They want their taxes to benefit their crotchfruit alone.

Conservative parents will revolt when they find out that their kids are not being groomed to be Deplorables.

Education and Child Services need more powers to give parents hell for brainwashing their kids.

R191, no such "large source that present[s] Just the Facts" is possible, as we cannot even agree today on what the facts are, and that's assuming that you can remove personal and editorial bias, which you cannot.

Decades ago, before the rise of the Internet, cable news, Rush Limbaugh, etc., there was fairly general agreement on the facts. The disagreements were on the correct course of action to handle the problems, move the country forward, and so on.

Now, though, we're looking at a situation where even common facts are considered to be political, where there is a fundamental disagreement on what is happening in the world around us, in the economy, in health care, in foreign policy. I don't know how to fix this because we're in a "heads I win; tails you lose" environment these days.

Take the economy: we're long overdue for a fairly substantial stock market correction. If that happens on Biden's watch, it will be all his fault. If it doesn't, it's because it's Trump's economy that's doing so well and Biden had nothing to do with it.

The same will be true of business restrictions and economic damage from the pandemic. Even if happens in the next two months, it will be all Biden's fault because people and businesses are responding to Biden's election. And if it happens after January, it will absolutely be all Biden's fault, even though the seeds for such problems were set this year.

It took a Great Depression to overcome our last fling at oligarchy. But even a Great Recession only changed things for a year or so and then we were right back where we were before. I wish I had the answer but I really don't; I hope someone does, though, as this state of affairs is causing very real harm.

We'll see how many of the Repub's words will ring hollow.

Yesterday in San Francisco's Castro district:

I hope Kamala does visit India. This is such a nice story to see as my TV shows me footage of Trump on a golf course

Dl's fave drunktard Jeannine Pirro apparently is off the air. Currently suspended but may be cancelled all together.

@RalstonReports Remember in the early voting blog I said to watch for Biden winning Clark by more than 80K and Trump needing to win the rurals by at least 80K. Currently: Biden+86K in Clark Trump+66K in rurals

Rural turnout/margins just not large enough for Trump.

Clark firewall held for Dems.

R158, if a close member of your family were to die, just how many CO-WORKERS would you expect to come to that funeral?

Only the ones you were personally close to, that's the answer, not all the many thousands you've dealt with over your career (blue or red). If McConnell could show up for that, then there's hope for this new Administration, I think.

R166 Since when?

Ha, this is amusing - American media thinking Guy Fawkes Night (well, weekend) fireworks are for Biden

R196, that’s precisely how Democrats lose with swing state voters

Fox News' Howard Kurtz confirms that Kushner did indeed call Murdoch asking to retract AZ call for Biden.

One factor padding Biden's lead in Georgia: provisionals. He's up 61-37 among those counted so far, adding about 1800 votes to his statewide lead to this point

I never thought I'd say this but for once I am grateful to Fox News that it did not allow itself to be used on election night as a state propaganda network. I shudder to think about them going along with the fraud and cheating from the Trumps followed by 4 years with 100% state propaganda. I don't think democracy would ever recover. At that point you get Jr in 2024 and Ivanka in 2032.

“ Trump completely mismanaged the deadliest health crisis in a century, and half the electorate just shrugged and didn't care.”

Of course. Why did Democrats think otherwise? People were cautioning that Voters weren’t punishing Trump and Republicans for covid months ago, yet some insisted it would lead to a Democratic landslide

Lol, the desperation is real.

R188, excellent post. Those are the talking points for a good number of the 70MM who voted for this bastard in 2020.

I would add a bit of nuance to this, though. A very large number of Republicans voted for Trump because they simply always vote Republican, always have and always will, detest this man as a person, believe he made many mistakes, botched the response to COVID, hate how he talks to non-Whites, believe in personal freedoms (like abortion, gay marriage, choice of religion AND gun ownership) but firmly believe that fiscal Conservatism is the most important thing to uphold, and that the stock market doing so well these past four years cannot be all Obama's doing.

Not all of the GOP are brainwashed mouth breathers...many of them follow a certain set of (arguably selfish) ideals and want to go back to the deregulation and tax cuts of the Reagan era.

ц,кдше;It appears the Bidens kept their secret service code names ("Celtic" and "Capri") from the Obama administration. Kamala has chosen "Pioneer," but there's no indication what Doug Emhoff has picked.

Should this be public info?

Has the Pence automaton been put in shutdown mode and put back into storage? Not a peep!

As for Trump, if you live in NY/NJ and ever followed his career there is nothing new here. His presidential failure is the same as his business failures: He comes in, fucks it up, and slinks away chased by lawyers.

R205, I suspect there was an element of celebration over Biden’s win. While conducting opinion polls over U.K. leadership and voting intentions in the U.K. people were also asked who they would vote for in American elections. Not one single constituency would have gone to Trump over here according to the polls carried out. He is not liked even by the right wingers although I suspect a degree of snobbery is involved in that decision.

We're about to take The House, as expected -- a win is a win. Two out of three!

GA is about to get flooded with money the likes of which we have never seen...

Yep, I'm sending money to those 2 Georgia elections. It's so important that Dems control the Senate so some work can get done over the next 2 years.

FWIW I read on PoliticalWire comments section that Nate Silver - I know - said that exit polls showed people are actually doing better financially then expected and a lot of due to the CARES act and people voted for Republicans because of it! Event though it was a Dem legislation!!

[quote]he was right about one thing: He could shoot someone on 5th. The reason he was right is because he...

...has probably already done it.

[quote]we cannot even agree today on what the facts are

oh, please

From the Twitter thread at R211

R215 Possibly I can give you the names of 2 Brits (distance cousins) who love Trump and are Tories though from a working class background, now well to do in the trades. They are def a type of new money people the upper classes wouldn't wanted to be associated with. A friend rents villas to Brits in Orlando, he has also met a few who love Trump and gush about him being a great businessman! He expressed his surprise that these people can afford to rent a villa in Orlando for weeks to months because to him they look like rednecks - tattoos, wear sports clothes, poor grammar - but as I said to him they are the same 'type' as my cousins. Man does well in the trades and becomes conservative but despite his money and love of the Tories the upper classes would never accept him.

R213 Jill's name is very frau who went to Italy last year isn't it!

[quote]that’s precisely how Democrats lose with swing state voters

How do Republicans lose with swing state voters--and American voters--are the more pertinent questions to ask.

Why do Republicans keep losing the popular vote, over and over and over again, even with all the cheating, lying, disenfranchisement, and gerrymandering?

Why?

Georgia will certify their vote tomorrow, so the state should be called then. The recount will take about a week, but it won't change but a few votes.

MAGAts are revolting.

R224, the Republicans' spread across states is more advantageous for EC win. And they ALWAYS vote.

That's why they can win EC by losing the popular vote, as they have several times.

R222, I am not saying there aren’t Trump supporters just not enough that he would get elected. He might grab a seat or two in the same places that Farage and his cronies got support but that would be it. Current polls have Labour up by 4% in the polls and Starmer as a trusted leader by much more but it all means nothing as the next election probably won’t be until 2024.

Anyone know who was with Harris last night. I recognized her step kids, her niece and the niece's twins. Who was the black lady and the young black boy? I googled her sister but doesn't look like her although the masks make it difficult to ID people. The step daughter is.....unusual looking. Hipset, gender fluid...who knows. Step son is a cutie.

People need to be reminding GA voters to vote and vote on PAPER and to drop their ballots off in DROP BOXES.

Don't trust the machines and certainly don't trust the USPS.

I'm going to disagree with Della way up thread. The results of this election were far closer than I ever thought they would be given what we have seen in the last 4 years.

It has shown that the half of the American people really don't give a shit. So long as the economy is growing in their taxes are low, they don't care if the Proud Boys foot is on somebody else's neck. Were it not for Covid, I believe that Trump would have won this election. And that is so sad and frustrating.

R231, nah. For me what it says there's a reason they tried desperately to dissuade people from voting on paper. You don't go to that extent to mess with ballot boxes and the USPS unless you want people to use the machines.

And why would they want you to use the machines?

Ask Ted Cruz.

Okay now I’m a Biden fan.

[quote] Congratulations to President-elect Joe Biden! His German Shepherd, Major, is set to become the first shelter dog in the White House. The Bidens adopted the German shepherd from the Delaware Humane Association two years ago after initially fostering him.

R233 It’s a little disturbing that the Humane Society doesn’t protect privacy about their placements.

[quote] MAGAts are revolting

They certainly are.

[quote] LOL Faux Noise with Karl Rove worrying about how President-elect Biden is going to handle his social distancing at the Inauguration and at the Inaugural Balls.

As long as the Inauguration is televised, it doesn't have to be a BIG event. Who remembers LBJ taking the oath of office on Air Force One?

As for an Inaugural Ball ... let the fashion masks be on parade!

The sad loser has returned to the WH after a Sunday afternoon golf round.

Megyn Kelly opens her filthy mouth.

so her feminist moment is over I guess. Back to begging Trump to grab her by the pussy, or wherever.

Can someone please give me an update on Arizona.

[quote]Who remembers LBJ taking the oath of office on Air Force One?

I somehow feel that is not the comparison Biden/Harris are looking for at just this time.

r240, she's fine, she sends her love!

Orange and Co are sending emails to his cultists asking for money for contesting the election.

Is it really about fighting for the election or is it about a cash grab to help them line their pockets and pay off campaign debts?

Biden is ahead by 19.3K votes in AZ. 97% of the count has been completed. I am not really sure why it hasn't been called. Maybe they are waiting for the count to reach >98%

Biden's lead in PA continues to grow

[Quote]Joe Biden's lead in Pennsylvania has grown to 43,194 votes.

I don't know if there are still provisional ballots to be counted in Arizona, but the Secretary of State's website now shows 100% of all precincts have been counted in all counties.

What's going on with North Carolina? No one is talking about them.

R247, NC and Alaska have later dates for receipt of mail ballots. They should start reporting tomorrow.

NC will take awhile. They accept ballots postmarked on election day until Nov. 12th.

Local North Carolina news explains.

[quote]Conservative parents will revolt when they find out that their kids are not being groomed to be Deplorables.

This is why Homeschooling is so popular among Evangelicals. They don't want their children to be exposed to reality.

Thanks, R248, R249 and R250.

I can't believe Mick Mulvaney said on CNN that Trump could run again in 2024!

Are these people out of their minds? Trump's presidency is only going to seem like more of a nightmare once a proper administration gets to work and starts doing things. People don't realise what a fucking waste of space the Trump administration was - doing nothing but running the Trump fan club all day for 4 years.

That idiot Trump surrogate Scott Jennings said, "Maybe he'll focus on coronavirus now and he could still have a vaccine!" These people are fucking ridiculous. As if suddenly taking an interest in an epidemic that has ravaged the nation for 8 months is somehow going to tee him up for a victory in 2024. Oh, you mean now that Trump is a one-term impeached failure of a president, he's suddenly going to do his job?! What a bunch of ass wipes.

Republicans should really move on from this stage of denial now - it's embarrassing.

You underestimate how popular Trumpism is

We've got 4 years to do as much deprogramming as possible.

What r254 said. Trump is the most popular figure to the Republican base. Even after he leaves office the base is still going to be listening to Trump and caring about what he has to say.

[quote]Is it really about fighting for the election or is it about a cash grab to help them line their pockets and pay off campaign debts?

You don't know what you're talking about. Next?

[bold]“A lawsuit without provable facts showing a statutory or constitutional violation is just a tweet with a filing fee,”[/bold] said Justin Levitt, a professor at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles.

Levitt said judges by and large have ignored the noise of the race and the bluster of President Donald Trump’s Twitter feed. “They’ve actually demanded facts and haven’t been ruling on all-caps claims of fraud or suppression,” Levitt said. “They haven’t confused public relations with the predicate for litigation, and I would expect that to continue.”

If Levitt is right, that may augur poorly for the legal challenges to the presidential election. Either way, the number of cases is starting to rapidly increase. But lawsuits will do little good unless, as in the 2000 presidential election, the race winds up being so close that it comes down to a very thin margin of votes in one or more must-win states.

The sad photo that r237 posted are like the ones I saw on MSNBC on Saturday.

Looks like Trump has gained 10 pounds since election day!

He must be lying in bed surrounded by Cheetos, dip, pizza, hot dogs, and Diet Coke.

I still can't believe that we flipped Georgia, and most likely Arizona. That's such a big fucking deal.

Texas is now the only southwestern state to remain red. I don't know how much longer Republicans can hold on to the state when the rest of the area is changing. I think that Georgia going blue will have an effect on North Carolina and possibly Florida.

[quote]I would not be surprised if Trump stages a rally in Ga.

What could possibly be in it for him?

From yesterday's shitshow

[quote]Guliani giving his "press conference" in underneath the hazard diamond for fertilizer is the best thing I've seen in 2020

R259 And ice cream. Dump loooves ice cream. Gets an extra scoop with dessert every time.

ATTENTION, r261

I swear I just saw Joe Lieberman say something like "Lindsay Graham's a natural problem-solver, and I'm confident he's going to be one of Joe Biden's best allies."

[quote]I fully admit Hillary lost.

She most certainly did not.

[quote]When I see the footage of Paris ringing bells for us

Zut alors! Ve ring zhem for France!

R234 “Disturbing”? Really?? Pretty sure Biden approved the Humane Society’s tweet about his rescue dog. It’s not like they doxxed a private citizen.

WHET the Trafalgar . . . Trafalgar . . . Trafalgar troll in these Election threads?

Where you at, boo?

Watch The Senatrice tear-up over Joe.

Take him golfing, Joe.

Biden has asked Mitt Romey to be head of Health and Human Services. He is thinking about it but it looks like he will.

And you know this R272 because__________________?

Because r272 believes everything they see on the internet without considering the source.

It's a made up rumor that was floating around r273.

[quote]We're about to take The House, as expected -- a win is a win. Two out of three!

This is the second time I've seen this. WE ALREADY HAD THE HOUSE. And we lost seats. Not exactly something to celebrate.

Judge Jeanine sends a Cameo consolation message to "D." who has been laid off from his job! 😂

[quote]Trump is the most popular figure to the Republican base. Even after he leaves office the base is still going to be listening to Trump and caring about what he has to say.

Right, but usually when cult leaders are neutered, their flock seem to drift away except for a hand full of die hard supporters. Those are the ones we need to worry about. Those are the ones that might try something to take out the new President.

The regular flock should not be left off the hook, they need to be reminded of their flawed thinking, ignorance, selfish, racist behavior every chance we get so they don't just jump on the next bandwagon of conspiracy theorist and dictators without second thoughts of what that might cost them.

DC rumor is that Karine Jean-Pierre is the favorite to be Biden's press secretary.

R259, compare the hair length on the election night Trump and the hair length on the Trump shown golfing that day. There are two Donald Trumps. We rarely see the golfing one. Remember when they were holding nearly daily anti-Covid press spectacles? And one day his hair would be clown yellow and the next day it would be white and the next day it would be back to piss yellow? The guy who does the rallies, the guy who did those press mockeries, the guy who gives the nasty interviews is not the gay who went golfing. Compare their fucking hand size. It is two different people. Their noses and chins and ears aren’t even close to matching and, as you noticed, one of them is much fatter than the other.

I doubt the Trumpers are going to try to take out Biden. If they do, they make Kamala Harris the President-Elect. A hale and hearty fifty-something woman who would have 4 years to convince the public to give her a second term. And who knows who she would nominate for her vice president? Maybe Bernie Sanders? Maybe Elizabeth Warren? It would be the liberal nightmare the Trumpers most fear.

Judge Jeanine " these all may sound like clichés"

YES THEY ARE

Judge Jeanine "You being laid off goes along with thousands of other"

YOU WERE NOT LAID OFF, YOU WERE FIRED!

Texas is just as much Southeastern or the South as it is Southwestern

No one who has been Bernie Sanders’ colleague is going to appoint him to anything. Everyone in the Senate knows exactly what Sanders is.

Wack jobs with guns and an ax to grind don't usually think that far ahead or care R280.

Some douche homophobic black commentator on TV last night said Pete should be used as an ambassador to the UN. What a fucking waste if they do that. Ambassadors are usually very vanilla no controversial jobs that require no experience, often big donors. That would really be a waste of his intellect and skills. He couldn't even be Slayer Pete in that position. He should get chief of staff, or national security, special advisor to the president or something along those lines. And for that haters that say he has no experience, the military training is all about leadership, it's actually part of the program. He probably has more actual training in that area than most of the other people being considered for those other jobs.

Biden has a plethora of smart, skilled, experienced experts to choose from for his cabinet and staff, unlike the circle of relatives, toadies and sycophants in the incompetent outgoing administration.

Yes, working at the White House is going to become a prestige position again come January 20th. Biden will have his pick of the best of the best.

I hope Biden doesn't move in until February. They'll need 10 days to properly disinfect the White House after Trump and his cronies leave. I'm serious.

What is Megyn Kelly's end game? She's bizarre. Made a ton of money for working a few months. Still young. Why can't she just be up front about what her politics are? She always seems cryptic and coy, passive-aggressive with her "white Santa" "jokes."

We gained a seat in the Senate in a red state. The media goes on and on about us losing some House seats but we gained in the Senate, plus won a huge popular and electoral win for the presidency.

UN Ambassador would be an incredible gift from Biden for the Former Mayor of Southbend and as rumors go that is the job Pete is hoping for r285. Odds are he will get Secretary of the VA instead.

Are you the same poster who was in these threads yesterday campaigning for Chief of Staff? Give that delusion a rest.

Reading the first 3 parts of this election thread is quite the journey lol. The doomers and concern trolls were really wreaking havoc

R292: "IT'S OVER, TRUMP IS SPEAKING NOW!"

"WE LOST - AGAIN!"

"I TOLD YOU SO!"

"IT'S OVER!!!"

And on and on, right?

What is Megyn Kelly's end game? She's bizarre. Made a ton of money for working a few months. Still young. Why can't she just be up front about what her politics are? She always seems cryptic and coy, passive-aggressive with her "white Santa" "jokes."

I think she desperately wants someone to give her a job as a "Laura Ingraham-lite" type; she's burned her bridges wit Fox, but I think she keeps saying provocative things in the hope that some rightwing outlet will pick her up.

I agree R294

She's hoping for a job at NewsMax or OAN

R283 Though remember Biden is basically the only Senator who was friendly to Bernie, which is the reason Bernie dropped out when he did rather than continuing the fight, and wouldn't go negative against Biden. So Joe may feel he owes Bernie something for that. Who knows what an extended primary like 2016 might've resulted in.

[quote] Trump is the most popular figure to the Republican base. Even after he leaves office the base is still going to be listening to Trump and caring about what he has to say.

Just reboot "The Duck Dynasty" or air monster truck rallies in primetime and they'll have forgotten about Trump in under a year.

What do Megyn Kelly, Jeanine Pirro and Donald J Trump have in common?

THEY'VE ALL BEEN FIRED FOR BEING SHITTY HUMAN BEINGS!!

Around 4pm from Arizona: - "Biden's lead extended somewhat to over 20,000" - Source: AZCentral

Nate Cohn said last night that Biden's lead in Pennsylvania could expand to 100,000 or more:

R288 think about how many sweeps they're going to do for Bugs and other recording devices.

R192, "Education" whence? Political studies are the Third Rail of public schools.

Garrett Archer, expert on AZ numbers, says Biden is heading for a win in *Arizona*:

Does anyone have a link to the photo of the email Orange's campaign sent out a few days ago? It was posted in these threads and I should have saved it. It was the one where they were basically threatening their supporters while begging for money. Like it was a shakedown email.

Wow. You all have been busy on these threads. I had a lot to catch up on and it was a joy.

We did it. Yes. We did. I'm not going to abide by the "but we loooooooost seats in the house and blah blah blah." WE FUCKING DROPPED THIS FASCIST CUNT IN HIS TRACKS. Period. We can commiserate later. Savor this, what we all did. Give thanks for it.

Regarding Georgia special election, Queen Stacey hasn't stopped since the election, you know. Throw Fair Fight some coin so she can continue her righteous work. There are other groups in Georgia as well, working to stop suppression and register/educate voters. Send a little $ their way if you can.

Re: the future of the EC and the disproportionate weight given to shithole states- with the census results, I expect Georgia, NC, FL and possibly AZ to GAIN electoral votes and places like Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin to LOSE electoral votes.

As someone up thread stated, Ohio used to have over 30 electoral votes but, with time, more people have left for greener pastures. The red states are slowly being marginalized in the EC although we still need to do something about the disproportionate red state Senate representation.

Boomers are dragging this country down with their lunacy. But I am hopeful the young ones can become fully engaged and as dependable when it comes to voting. Encourage them. Help them understand how important it is to be engaged AND VOTE CONSISTENTLY.

I saw a lot of young people in 2018 and this year get involved locally either canvassing, phone banking, registering voters at outdoor events (pre-covid) or even working the polls or at campaign HQ. I am hoping more become involved and stick with it. We should encourage them whenever possible.

Now don't be all Debbie Downer on me. This is my world and right now, I'm going to enjoy it.

Biden already won AZ, why are we still talking about it?

R304 This one?

Venn diagrams for the win!

Nate Cohn says Biden is on track to win the popular vote by 5 points:

(That would be twice the margin of Hillary's popular vote win in 2016).

Trump to appear on Fox Ness at 8 pm to discuss the “mail-in hoax.”

Someone last night mentioned Doug flinching when the confetti cannon went off, showing how nervous he was about the threat level - just saw this on Reddit, NBC obviously shared his nervousness as they immediately cut back to the football game

Dave Wasserman:

The Biden/Harris ticket is on track to win the highest vote share of any winning ticket since 1988, with the exception of the Obama/Biden ticket in 2008.

R307 yes, thanks!!!

R311 when I watched the coverage it was Biden that I noticed that had been startled. Obviously it was on their minds.

Biden is running 10 points ahead of AOC in her district. That woman needs to shut her mouth about how dems are losing seats because they don’t embrace Bernie’s stump speech. She has no idea what she’s talking about.

Isn't that sort of odd phrasing R312/PollTroll?

Makes it sound like he's faking something, versus "second highest share since 1988"

[quote]it was Biden that I noticed that had been startled.

I saw Jill flinch

R308 Worst hair ... John Adams, Martin Van Buren, or Dump?

Trump plans to show obituaries of people who are dead who voted and he plans to hold rallies. The stories of him thinking about conceding seem to be BS.

He's never going to concede. The stories about a possible concession need to stop, as they could be used to create a narrative that's it's a necessity. It doesn't matter what he says, he's going to be out.

r308 is quite clever, but as r318 points out there are so many other categories

including Lost Popular Vote Twice

This whole ruse is all about soothing Trump’s ego. They know there’s no case. They know he did not win. They’re coddling the toddler in Chief.

Concession is not on his mind. More like how can I undermine Joe Biden’s victory in any way possible. It also has a racist undercurrent - minority votes should not be counted.

lol!

That Venn Diagram is FABULOUS R308

The Trump campaign hired Doug Collins to “oversee” the Georgia recount. They are going to make everything a political stunt through January 20.

Doug "I lost my election bid in GA" Collins.

Biden's lead in AZ is 0.51 but whatever Trump's gains there are not going to be enough per Nate Cohn.

Here's a religious nut claiming angels will lift Trump to victory, mixed with Eminem and a cat.

Ha. She needs The Exorcist

Mamie, r318.

[quote]For the first time in four years, it seems possible that we could all live in a shared reality again, starting with a majority of Americans conceding that this election result doesn’t have two sides.

The DNC needs to change Iowa from being the first contest of the primary season. It's a joke that it carries so much weight by voting first when the state is 99% white and doesn't represent our party's demographic coalition at all. Not to mention the fact that Iowa is now a solidly red state. They can take their State Fair and meat-on-a-stick and shove it!

We also need to eliminate all caucuses and change them to primaries. Caucuses are silly and a waste of time.

Speaking of next time, it's going to fun to see how Ohio and Florida react to them no longer being seen as oh-so-important

[quote]What is Megyn Kelly's end game?

She's a fetid cunt. There's really nothing else to say.

Megyn Kelly is looking for a job on whatever streaming app or talk show/podcast Trump starts up.

And Trump and the obituaries is priceless.

As if they are going to turn up 10,000 obituaries.

R334, this buckeye will be glad! Ohio is a red state shithole just like kentucky and should be treated as such.

Florida moved a couple points more red. Georgia is definitely going to replace Florida in focus.

Dear white women,

You still have A LOT of work left to do talking to your peers.

🚨 55% of them voted for Trump, up from 2016 when it was 53% 🚨

Where'd you get those numbers, R339? I would have guessed that more women would have voted for Biden than for Hillary.

What is "his ass", R340

I had champagne and pizza as well R42, perfect for the occasion!

I want to thank all you DLers for getting me through this election whilst exiled across the globe due to Trump’s visa ban.

I texted “Ba-Bye Jared & Ivanka” to a friend and received this in response (my apologies if it’s already up). Vanky would be mad about her dumpy outfit lol

They come from exit polls r340. It amuses that people sit around and complain about the polls being wrong, then turn around and cite exit polls. Especially in an election where so many voted by mail.

Magical mystical exit polls that have no links R340

Have they compiled all the demographics date from this past election yet? I thought it would be awhile because of the increase in mail in ballots and early voting?

Students for Ossoff!

R38, Because Trump as President is ordained by God. This makes Biden the Anti-Christ. Trump told us that Democrats will hurt God, so we must defeat Satan's minions who have stolen the election.

America is the Promised Land, and President Trump is our Chosen Leader. Praise be!

I've been seeing posts from various people on social media throwing around the 45% number. Most vids and posts citing that they are proudly part of the 45% of white women who voted against Orange.

R305, I'm a Boomer. My four friends are Boomers. The next First Lady is a Boomer. HRC is a Boomer. So is Bill.

Democrats all.

Can the GOP really not certify the results?

You know who would love all this and would be writing a hilarious analysis of this election?

Hunter S. Thompson, is who.

Trump obviously increased his total raw vote. It’s doubtful he did worse with white women than in 2016.

Wow, this stat. In 2016, 22 percent of Georgia’s eligible voters were not registered. This year, that figure stood at 2 percent.

R350, I don't even care if your query is legit. The House and Senate Republicans aren't going to throw themselves onto Trump’s funeral pyre.

They're as done with him as we are.

R339? If you're a white male, you have a lot more work to do than I do.

[quote]It’s doubtful he did worse with white women than in 2016.

Seeing their families' health in danger can have a remarkable focusing effect.

It didn’t

The gender gap was not historic

Another key storyline has been older voters and whether they would abandon the President. While his edge with the oldest voters shrank, he still edged Biden out among them. The change occurred among voters 45-64, who he won in 2016, but lost in 2020.

Crazed Trump supporters on MSNBC still refuse to accept the fact that Biden has won the election.

R343 They accounted for mail ballots by interviewing people by phone.

Here are the GOP and Trump campaign’s allegations of election irregularities. So far, none has been proved.

We have Big Labor on our side, as well as the stock market, looking at futures trading now

I’m sure the orange asshole is checked out but we still have a worse than ever pandemic to control. What are his plans between now and January 20? He proclaimed that he’s very much in charge during election years when he quickly appointed the unqualified bible hugging judge.

I still feel uneasy. Hard not to feel that we’re in the middle of a coup.

Were you expecting Trump to just quietly concede, R365? I certainly wasn't.

I don’t hear any Republicans acknowledging that massive turnout was organized to defeat Trump, plus suburban women and black women actively rejected him and voted for Biden. Even Republicans voted for Biden including by absentee. They are insulting the millions of people who voted for Biden to get rid of Trump with their stupid denial. He was deservedly rejected.

Of course not, r366 but seeing it play out is disturbing. And with the GSA refusing to allow Biden to officially start the transition, and all of the scenarios I’ve been reading where the gop congress can change the results, it’s very scary.

[quote]What is Megyn Kelly's end game?

Primetime slot on Trump TV, R289.

What GOP congress? The Dems control the House and this election is not going to the House of Reps. Trump is just doing what he said he was going to do. Even if he doesn't turn over the funds for the transition, it does not matter. The transition will continue, just not in a traditional manner, and Joe Biden will be sworn in on 1/20. Don't let Trump, his goon squad, and his cult get into your head. The nightmare is coming to an end.

[quote]Trump plans to show obituaries of people who are dead who voted and he plans to hold rallies. T

Democrats should designate an attack dog to show the corresponding dead MAGAts who voted. There was at least one such story in the news.

Why can't they be Machiavellian just for once?!

[quote]The Trump campaign hired Doug Collins to “oversee” the Georgia recount. They are going to make everything a political stunt through January 20.

Hope it enrages enough GA Democrats and Independents to bring the Senate runoffs home.

I think the Dems should organize a litigation scorecard to show all the lawsuits that have failed. And they need to organize surrogates like Pete who can go on Fox News and explain how lying is a sin. Maybe also recruit CEOs to talk about accepting the results.

R373, Sen. Whitehouse should whip up another set of whiteboards and go to town about the lawsuits.

I'm never not going to believe that there were tons of fake votes added in on election day to the in-person voting totals. Trump did not gain support over the last four years.

I can't wait until the analysis is done comparing polling numbers to mail-in vs. in-person voting. We'll see what happens but I fully suspect that we'll see the mail-in matching the polls and the in-person decidedly not matching the polls but all in favor of Trump. One line of code in a voting machine turning every 10th Dem vote to Trump just like was shown was possible after the last election.

R370 congress can dispute certified results from the states. And then the house and senate deliberate on it. They’ve also floated the idea of changing electors in states, but I’ve read that’s unlikely because of how many more states Biden won.

I don’t think this will happen, because it would be the end of America and the big money interests will now allow that to happen. But it’s scary they’re even considering it.

[quote]They accounted for mail ballots by interviewing people by phone.

There are plenty of people like me who do not answer the phone for unknown callers.

[quote][R308] is quite clever, but as [R318] points out there are so many other categories

Also, Ford and Andrew Johnson weren't really one-termers, since both finished out terms that they weren't elected to.

I knew Trump was going to be trouble when he was ludicrously elected in 2016, but I never imagined the nightmare it's turned out to be.

[quote]For the first time in four years, it seems possible that we could all live in a shared reality again, starting with a majority of Americans conceding that this election result doesn’t have two sides.

MSNBC (or CNN?) reporter talked to a few MAGA from an armed and dangerous crowd protesting at some city hall (?)- didn't catch where. One guy said it's not possible for Trump to lead by thousands, and then "al of a sudden" Biden takes over. Reporter explained about the drastic party difference for in-person vs mail-in, and that mail-in was OBVIOUSLY counted after the in-person vote. The MAGAt then said it's not possible that there wasn't as much Trump vote in the mail-in.

Completely refused to accept the facts about the mail-in known to all rational citizens.

You're being too optimistic by far.

I personally worry that they are invested in creating mayhem and destroying democracy. Trump is the new Hitler.

Here are some things, in no particular order, that America will now be rid of as a direct result of Donald Trump being the loser that he is. (What a loser!)

We will lose the white supremacy whataboutism and both-sides-ing that for four years has slithered out of the highest office in the country, making racists feel happy, comfortable, and validated every step of the way.

We will lose our denial of climate change. We’ve had four years that the world couldn’t afford to waste, in which the president plugged his ears to scientific consensus on the topic. The Biden presidency will restore U.S. participation in the Paris climate accord, and hopefully work toward making as much of the Green New Deal a reality as possible. (There’s a certain amount of wishful thinking here, but if ever there were a moment for wishful thinking, it’s now.)

We will lose the top-down politicization of the pandemic. Instead, the government will actually promote science and mask safety, and stop constantly downplaying the danger of coronavirus in nihilistic pursuit of herd immunity. The new administration will no longer contort policy into a shape that flatters the president’s whims, which are unmoored from facts. Rather, Biden will follow through on what Trump recently accused him of: listening to scientists.

We will lose “alternative facts” as a concept. We will lose Kayleigh McEnany and Kellyanne Conway and everyone else who aggressively parrots every Trump lie to the public. We’ll also lose alternative streams of information in the White House, fact-fudging reports from Breitbart and Fox News and OANN taking precedence over presidential briefings, along with so many conspiracy theories whispered into the president’s ear from in-house Iagos.

One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.

R380 Maybe "Reporter" should have brought up the subject that Dems typically win BIG cities where more ballots means longer, slower counting with totals coming in later. .. These people sure are stupid.

This is a media strategy, not a legitimate legal strategy. The point is to grift more money out of his retarded followers and to further divide the country. A huge chunk of the country will not see Biden as a legitimate president just like they didn’t see Obama as one.

[quote]The MAGAt then said it's not possible that there wasn't as much Trump vote in the mail-in.

Someone should have reminded him that Dear Leader told his cultists to not mail in ballots.

[quote]Trump is the new Hitler.

And how did that turn out?

Biden is going to win by about 6 million votes and likely 306 electoral college votes. As horrible as the gop is, I don’t see them just being like “nope, we’re just gonna ignore all that and install trump”. The country would burn to the ground. Mitch is likely to hold onto the senate so there’s no reason for him to stage a coup for a guy he hates. The silence from the gop is because they still need Trump’s turnout base for 2022 and they’re giving the special snowflake time to get laughed out of court all week.

One thing I hope is when perennial turncoat Miss Lindsey calls Biden that Biden will refuse the call and put him on the ignore list.

Trump is really pushing the myth that state legislatures can choose their own electors. He really should be shot for treason.

R384, the reporter told the MAGA guy what we all know: Republicans largely voted in person on election day because Trump told them not to mail their ballots. But Democrats largely used mail-in because of the virus. So there were mirror image margins for mail-in and same-day in person vote.

The guy said, Can't be. He's convinced Trump overwhelmingly won all kinds of votes.

You can't get such people to consider plain facts. They operate from the axiom that there's widespread lib'rul voter fraud. Whatever facts and information reach them are all matched to the axiom, and if they refute the axiom, they are lies.

That's what happens when you don't teach proper scientific method and rational critical inquiry in schools.

R386, the reporter reminded him. See R390

Here's the MSNBC reporter in Arizona on the birth of an election fraud conspiracy right before his eyes:

It also doesn’t help that Fox News is perpetuating all these myths and then Trump posts Fox News to his Twitter page for maximum amplification of misinformation. Gone are the days where a civil phone call would take place between the loser and the victor. The Republicans really are scared they will lose all their power, even though they overall did well.

Trump can't do anything in a dignified manner. He's going to burn the Republican party down on his way out the door. And his hardcore base will never leave their messiah and always considered him having been robbed. They are in a far right propaganda bubble. They will consider anyone who goes against Trump, a traitor. As long as he's alive, their will never be any peace. Melania needs to do us a solid. No court would convict her.

The electoral college really has everybody fooled. Biden will end up with over 5 million more votes than Trump. But the stupid EC makes it look like we are an evenly divided country. We aren't at all. Democrats far outnumber Republicans in this country.

Democrats have won the popular vote in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections, but Republicans' expert messaging has convinced the public that they are the majority.

Sorry for the typos, I've been indulging in Sangria.

R395 I think republicans know they can only win through the electoral college, which is why 2/3 of the states would never ratify an amendment to get rid of it. The country is being held hostage by it.

R393, this is such a vicious circle.

I think one direction of the flow is:

1) Trump gets a fresh conspiracy theory from Breitbart, Limbaugh, far right twitter and Russian FB, those sort of guys. He may or may not - most often he does - tweet it to the world.

2) Trump often talks to Hannity at night (as was reported).

3) Hannity picks up the conspiracy from Trump and gives it a whirl on Faux, enriched with his own "reporting".

4) Other Faux deplorables (Judge Jeannine, Tucker, etc.) amplify as well.

5) Trump tweets the above Faux "reporting" as news.

In this way, Trump effectively launders far-right disinformation through Faux, and spreads it far and wide as the gospel to his flock. Deplorables consume the disinfo from Trump, then when Faux launders same they assume it's "confirmation" through factual reporting.

Final result - deplorables have downloaded a fresh batch of disinfo from Trump into their brain cells, and it's cemented there by Faux.

None of their arguments hold up. In 2016, 306 EV was a landslide. In 2020, Biden will end up with the same (a landslide by their measure, plus Biden also won the popular vote by over 50%, which Trump never did.

It does feel like the sad last days of a cult.

But it looks like Murdoch will no longer allow Trump to use his media outlets as spreading Q-Anon type of misinformation anymore. Did Murdoch and Hannity have a talk to no longer take Trump's calls?

Joni Ernst is a fat facer

Adjusting my tinhat because I just thought of something...

What if the reason that there were so many more votes for Trump this time around compared to 2016 is that, in all the worldwide craziness, both Russia and Saudi Arabia hacked the in-person voting machines and added smaller amounts but didn't consult each other so, suddenly, it's really obvious that something weird happened to give Trump all this alleged new found support.

When are Twitter and Facebook going to ban the treasonous fuck? What's the fucker going to do, sky write? No social media, no actual media, no press conferences, no shows, even Fox has probably told him to fuck himself.

Apologies if already posted:

Dubya congratulates Biden / Harris

As speculated, Europe moved on the congratulations like a bitch for reasons:

[quote]EU leaders and officials have congratulated Joe Biden on his victory in US elections, in what looked like a coordinated effort to stop outgoing president Donald Trump from challenging the result. The Irish and Lithuanian leaders led the way. ... "There was of course a clear and deliberate message in that fact that EU leaders, in coordination, congratulated Joe Biden before Donald Trump had conceded. Very unusual - but so is the situation," Carl Bildt, the former Swedish foreign minister, noted.

SHADE

Володимир Зеленський @ZelenskyyUa

Congratulations to @JoeBiden @KamalaHarris! #Ukraine is optimistic about the future of the strategic partnership with the #UnitedStates. 🇺🇦 and 🇺🇸 have always collaborated on security, trade, investment, democracy, fight against corruption. Our friendship becomes only stronger!

1:21 PM · Nov 7, 2020

Some info on the on-going drama inside the WH this weekend. He really isn't backing down an inch, and some of his inner circle are egging him on.

Pamela Brown on CNN last night reported that he is planning on hitting the road to do a couple of 'campaign' rallies, possibly as early as Mon or Tues night. To stir up the base, gin up his own fragile hurt ego and gain support for his claims of a fraudulent election.

I was just listening to someone talk and I caught the tail end of it.... they were saying that North Carolina could actually flip Blue because certain areas, primarily college areas, haven't been counted yet? And that if it does flip, prepare for Deplorables to go nuts citing that as a prime example of voter fraud.

Has anyone else heard anything like this?

It shouldn't be surprising r408. With all the focus on PA and GA the media has missed this story. They temporarily stopped counting there because their state allows for late return of ballots, up thru this week I believe. The majority of outstanding mail ballots will be Dem-leaning, and it just may be enough - by a hair - to overcome Trump's smallish current lead. We'll know more this week.

It would take a lot, but there's still a small chance that the lead that Tillis has in the Senate race there can be overcome by Cunningham. That would be the real story, since the control of the Senate is still very much in play.

R409 I just checked.

Biden is about 75,000 behind and there are reports that the outstanding mail in ballots and provisional ballots they currently have on hand to count is about 150,000, and that doesn't include mail in ballots they are accepting up until the 12th.

So if we go with that 150,000 number... Biden would need about 50%. Completely doable. Wow, I just had no idea NC was in play.

r410 how are the current numbers in that Senate race?

R410, your math is wrong. To catch up, Biden would need at least 75 percent of those 150,000 ballots.

Yes, correction.

Cunningham trails by a larger margin - about $96K votes.. Winning the Senate race is very unlikely. The polls were massively wrong on this one.

Clearly some GOP / R-leaning Independents in GA split their vote - chose Biden but voted as usual down ticket.

The irony is that it was men that gave win to Biden and Democrats.

Update on Nevada.

[quote] President-elect Joe Biden increased his lead over President Donald Trump to 34,283 votes, 664,162 to 629,879 — 50.17 percent to 47.58 — in new updates released by the Nevada Secretary of State’s office on Sunday.

The linked article gives a status of remaining ballots.

[quote]The irony is that it was men that gave win to Biden and Democrats.

Uh, no, it wasn't.

men and women voted for biden.

NC is out of play for Biden and Cunningham.

Have to admit, that’s probably the biggest shock for me, especially Cunningham. He had a pretty convincing lead in virtually ever poll for months, even running ahead of Biden. Guess he should have kept it in his pants.

I wondered why NC was still not called, I thought Trump already won that. It would be amazing if the mail-in ballots were 80% Biden.

There's been talk that Texas and Fla actually turned Blue but because of the cheating (malware on the machines) and the loss of 300,000 mail-in ballots by DeJoy. Also, the fact that McConnell and Graham won overwhelmingly over their opponents by a large margin when they were polling neck and neck with their opponents raises red flags. Despite all the cheating and voter suppression, Biden won. I bet there was actually a Blue Wave for Biden..

Harrison was always a long shot. The polls showing him tied were wrong. I’m sure in the months ahead there will be deep dives into what exactly happened with the polls, but it seems the mistakes from 2016 were repeated. They just simply can’t poll when trump is involved. They didn’t capture the turnout of uneducated white people and they really missed how poorly Biden would do with Latinos in Texas and Florida.

The most shocking result for me was Maine. I thought for sure, with RCV, that Collins was finished. I guess Sara Gideon was a real dud and bombed in the debates. I also don’t think “pack the courts” was at all helpful. Democrats really suck at messaging.

The cheating this year included holding the Senate. They overcorrected though and made it too obvious. This time around, we'll have an attorney general that will actually investigate.

Speaking of which, will a new attorney general be able to investigate Trump Jr? Daddy can only pardon after they have been found guilty right?

In 2000, a Republican mob gathered in front of Vice-President Gore's D.C. residence and angrily chanted, "Get out of our house!"

The least our crowd at the White House should do is play "Hit the Road, Jack"!

The most shocking result for me was Maine. I thought for sure, with RCV, that Collins was finished. I guess Sara Gideon was a real dud and bombed in the debates. I also don’t think “pack the courts” was at all helpful. Democrats really suck at messaging.

I was shocked by this too, though I suppose it's the same as other areas: populated areas went for Gideon while rural areas went for Collins. Aside from the Kavanaugh debacle, I read that Dump's schemes really hurt the fishing/lobster industry. But I guess its the old "devil you know" thing.

It's true Harrison was always a long shot, but I desperately wanted Lady G to pay a real price for her treachery.

Any update on Arizona?

Re: How QAnon is dealing with Trump's defeat

[quote]Right now, like the rest of TrumpWorld, they are still in the denial stage. Q hasn't posted anything since November 3, but they are still trusting in the plan. Now, perhaps, more than ever.

[quote]Some are confused as to why everyone seems to think Biden won even though, obviously, Trump won in a landslide.

[quote]Trump won in a landslide, but right now it feels like Biden won... It's insane... A nuclear bomb of truth has to drop to counter this mess.... It will be interesting to see what happens now for sure... rambling away here, cause I am really confused about the plan at this point...

Actually, the nuclear bomb of truth has already dropped in their midst.

R427 that’s the type of thing that always makes me wish there were some kind of IQ or cultural test to vote. They’re trying to undermine our democracy anyway so fuck em.

Biden has announced his COVID task force. The inclusion of Rick Bright (the HHS whistleblower) should provoke a few all-caps ragetweets.

*******

The task force will be co-chaired by former Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner David Kessler and Dr. Marcella Nunez-Smith of Yale University, according to the announcement.

Other notable task force members include Dr. Atul Gawande, a professor of surgery and health policy at Harvard, and Dr. Rick Bright, the vaccine expert and whistleblower who resigned his post with the Trump administration last month.

The group will consult with state and local leaders to help steer the federal response once Biden takes office.

Rounding out the task force is:

Dr. Luciana Borio, a senior fellow for global health at the Council on Foreign Relations,

Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, chair of the Department of Bioethics at The Clinical Center of the National Institutes of Health,

Dr. Celine Gounder, clinical assistant professor at the NYU Grossman School of Medicine,

Dr. Julie Morita, former health commissioner for the City of Chicago for nearly two decades,

Dr. Michael Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota,

Loyce Pace, executive director and president of Global Health Council,

Dr. Robert Rodriguez, who has researched the impact of the pandemic on the mental health of frontline workers,

and Dr. Eric Goosby, internationally recognized expert on infectious diseases.

So all of these Covid task force people will be highly qualified in science/medical fields, rather than family members or randoms? Weird!

And a couple of wonderful things about this task force r429 and r430:

Many of them will probably stick around and actually implement policies to help control the pandemic, the inclusion of someone concerned with the mental health of frontline workers and most importantly of all - the incoming administration will ACTUALLY LISTEN TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY!

Fuck! I'm not on the list? I was ready to jump ship.

R426 See R299 explaining Sunday's 4:00pm count.

Tiffany, Tiffany - you're not on ANYONE's list.

So, nothing has changed for you has it?

I hope Trump does have rallies. I'm not concerned about violence at them between Biden voters and Trump Rabidians.

Biden voters don't need to, or should, show up. Trump's a loser. Does the moon acknowledge a barking dog? (And I love both the Moon and dogs).

Here's why I want Trump rallies. They will draw Boogoloo Boys, Proud Boys, fat Karens and Kevins; you know, the milieu Jared and Ivanka eagerly want to replace their Manhattan milieu.

Let them all be exposed as the Brown-Shirt "Tomorrow Belongs to Me" crowd they are.

Go ahead, Trump, Go ahead

At least you knew my name, R434. That means a lot to me. You have no idea.

Thank you.

But Dr. Fauci isn't on the list!

[quote]I also don’t think “pack the courts” was at all helpful. Democrats really suck at messaging.

That was never supposed to be the message. It was something thrown out as an idea on how to stop the Republicans if they stacked it, but not intended as a campaign idea. But Repugs latched on to it and the media kept asking Joe about it relentlessly after that.

[quote]So all of these Covid task force people will be highly qualified in science/medical fields, rather than family members or randoms? Weird!

Why is there no radiologist on this infectious disease board?

Surely there's some mistake!

R375, Maybe so. The beauty of that theory is that the hackers couldn't know, while the machine votes were being tabulated, the overwhelming magnitude of the mail-in ballots for Biden. No chance to "re-adjust" the machine votes retroactively.

That pussy bitch "yes Mr. President maybe you will like this one" Chris Wallace was asking Pete Buttigieg on Fox what was Biden going to do about the pandemic. Specifically not just putting a task force together but how he was going to work with congress before his first day in office. What a stupid fucking question, he knows damn well nothing can be done before he takes office. What's the point of that question? To give talking points to Deplorables to claim Biden is not doing anything?

New: latest Philadelphia count adds...

Biden 2,748 (90%) Trump 272 (9%)

Biden's statewide PA lead climbs past 45k.

How about Arizona?

Six of the eight House seats flipped by the GOP so far all featured female candidates.

Rep.-elect Stephanie Bice (R-Okla.) is the first Iranian American elected to Congress, while Rep.-elect Yvette Herrell (N.M.) will be the first Republican Native American woman in Congress. House Republicans currently only have one Hispanic woman among their voting members, but they’ll have at least one more with Rep.-elect Maria Elvira Salazar (R-Fla.).

There are still other female candidates in uncalled races in California, Iowa, New York and Texas.

House Republicans do not have any voting members who are Asian American in the current session of Congress. That could change if California Republicans Young Kim and Michelle Steel unseat Democratic incumbents in their respective races. If elected, both would be among the first Korean Americans to serve in Congress.

R443 How about Arizona?

R443 How about Arizona?

Once nice thing is that we will see the Pres and First Lady back at the Kennedy Center Honors.

Today's "Worst Person in the World" is Ms. Emily W. Murphy, GSA Administrator refusing to release transition funds and office space to the Biden Administration.

Installed by Trump in 2017.

[quote]On a Personal Note, She is Also Overweight

You're too kind.

Can Biden hold on to Arizona?

So close

r278 she will be fantastic. She stopped a protestor on Kamala's stage:

NC is about 1.5 points bluer than in 2016, but still not blue enough. It’s a very very tough state for a Democratic presidential nominee to win

Will NV be finished counting by Dec 14?

Ralston: Good morning from Nevada, where Joe Biden keeps extending his lead. It is now larger than Hillary Clinton's win in NV. Biden is up by 34,000 votes and 2.5 points. It's really not that close, and his lead could reach 3 points-plus. ICYMI, Sheldon Adelson has a message for POTUS:

Hoo boo da

doo bee dee

ba ba toh.

Biden's lead in Georgia grows to 10,498.

Great to see John Oliver so elated last night

Lindsey Graham says that if Trump ultimately loses his court challenges to the election results, he wants Trump to "consider running again ... to keep his movement alive." “I would encourage him to think about" 2024 bid

The media needs to stop giving this any air time. This is a PR strategy, not a legal strategy.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if Biden gets the same number of electoral college votes as Trump in 2016 (306) and Trump gets Hillary's number (232)???

Bad news from Arizona. I'm convinced Biden will lose the state.

Bad news from Arizona. I'm convinced Biden will lose the state.

[quote] Lindsey Graham says that if Trump ultimately loses his court challenges to the election results, he wants Trump to "consider running again ... to keep his movement alive." “I would encourage him to think about" 2024 bid

I would hope Trump's arteries have taken him out by then.

[quote]Biden has announced his COVID task force.

But the virus was supposed to disappear on November 4th because it was a Democratic election hoax!

If it is a hoax, the number of dee plorables dying in my local, rural hospital are "crisis" actors. Alert their insurance companies, and widows/grieving families!

The Houston Chronicle has an article about what went wrong for Democrats in the Rio Grande Valley, FWIW.

Imagine the stink Trump will cause if AZ indeed flips back to Trump!!!! Oy, they will use this as an example of "mass fraud" on global scale. God help us.

Yes, the conspiracy theory was that starting on post-election day there won't be any virus talk because it was a lie and a Dem election ruse to hurt Trump at the polls.

Now that what the theory predicted isn't happening, a rational person will admit the theory is proven wrong.

But we aren't dealing with rational people. We are dealing with cultists.

In anyone cares, Alaska will resume counting ballots tomorrow Tuesday. Hallelujah!

Ben Carson is POZ.

Lindsay Graham is such an unpolished turd. Would love to just flush his fat ass down the porcelain toilet of iniquity and get it over with.

If Trump goes out on the trail again, I predict this will all end in tears. There will be rioting and bloodshed, and most will say they didn't see it coming. There has to be someone adult enough to say to the narcissist in chief, you lost, deal with it. But he fired all of those people. That's the problem with surrounding yourself with yes men. There's no one who can step forward to be the voice of reason, which is desperately needed right now

Where’s bill Barr? What’s he up to? Dark days are ahead of us....

I really want to know what happened to Graham. I truly believed that he was one of the sane ones, even though I didn't agree with him on policy. I thought that he was doing this because he was afraid of being primaried, but that clearly wasn't the case. I resisted the idea that he was being blackmailed, but maybe he is.

There's a reason the guy at r33 can dance.

[quote]The video of Trujillo, who is half Diné and half Pueblo, has gone viral with nearly 4 million views as of Sunday. Trujillo is the dance group leader for the Serpent Trail Dance group in New Mexico. He also dances powwow.

R474 Buh bye, Barr

Biden speaking about Covid plans now on CNN.

Biden says 200,000 + more deaths projected before the vaccine.

An elections lawyer was on NPR today and said that the American people do not vote for President, but determine the electors. he also said that the constitution does not force the electors to vote for the person their state wanted, so it is possible for the New York electors to vote for Trump. The provisions are in some state constitutions, but not in the federal one.

But doesn’t the winning party of the state appoint the electors?

r481, here how it works. It varies a lot from state to state:

Arizona: By state party chair

The state chair for each party with a presidential ticket selects electors prior to the general election. The chair also appoints replacements for elector vacancies prior to the presidential election.

Pennsylvania: By presidential nominee

The presidential nominee for each party nominates electors to the Pennsylvania Secretary of State. The vice presidential nominee may be asked to nominate electors at the presidential nominee’s discretion.

Wisconsin: By state officeholders and candidates

State legislators, state executives, and candidates for those offices from each party nominate electors. This nomination process takes place the October prior to the presidential election.

Georgia: By State Party Committee

The central committee for each state or district party with a presidential ticket selects electors prior to the general election. This committee also appoints replacements for elector vacancies prior to the presidential election.

Nevada, Michigan and Minnesota: By State Party Convention This method is the most commonly used for selection of presidential electors. Each party’s state convention nominates electors from each congressional district to vote for the national party’s presidential and vice presidential candidates. Vacancies following the convention are filled by the central committee of the state party.

North Carolina: By district and state party conventions

Each party selects an elector for each congressional district during district conventions. The party’s state convention selects two at-large electors to complete its Electoral College slate.

♥️Look at President-Elect Joe Biden stepping up and taking responsibility for America, [italic]Land That He Loves !

The Trump team is definitely encouraging faithless electors. Nutbag Mark Levin:

I love how the Navajo Nation delivered the loss to Trump in Arizona:

Lindsey Graham saying "if he [Trump] loses," he should run in 2024 ... Come on, guys. That's a positive! Graham is conceding Trump probably lost. Spent $500,000 of his own money as a final ass-kissing gesture (donation to Trump's legal fund). (Didn't know Graham was so rich!)

Miss Lindsey didn’t give 500k to anyone. It’s a performance act to convince deplorables to part with their money

Most Republicans are still refusing to acknowledge Biden's victory, out of deference to the big orange crybaby, I'm hoping this will help the Democrats in the Georgia runoff elections.

Republicans like Graham just want to give Deplorables hope that Trump will make a comeback to keep these Deplorables interested in the Republican Party instead of humoring the idea to form their own fringe group political party. You just know the Mercers would just love to bankroll them to be the new Kochs running politics.

If Republicans think Trump didn't really lose, does that mean Miss Lindsey and the rest of down ballot Republicans also didn't really win? If the election was rigged, then it was rigged. They need to be consistent.

WOW, HAHA! FOX NEWS TODAY!!!!!

A great Twitter thread on Trump. Some quotes:

One of the things that drove me most insane about Trump, and I have said this before, is that the man was simply incapable of joy.

He doesn’t like to read, he doesn’t like music, he doesn’t care about art or poetry, or fine dining. He doesn’t laugh. He doesn’t laugh at himself. He is joyless. He doesn’t understand beauty in nature, in people, in architecture.

The only way he measured things is by how he perceived it made other people envy or look up to him.

He is just a deeply troubled, empty, vulgar shell of a man. I have no idea what his old man did to him, but he did a number on him.

I mean, can you honestly imagine him ever just wanting to go to a friend’s house to sit on the couch and chat, and play with their dog, and have coffee, and talk about things?

Or remembering something little his wife had wanted and mentioned, and picking it up while seeing it on his travels, and spiriting it away in his luggage and taking it home and hiding it and wrapping it and just being excited to give it to her?

just the little human things that make life worth living. He feels and appreciates none of it. It’s all a crude dick measuring contest, and the only way to get ahead is to cut other’s down.

It’s why he is such a bad negotiator. He’s incapable of understanding win/win.

Someone can only get ahead when someone else loses. It’s why he and the GOP never figured out that the way to save the economy was to handle covid. They couldn’t fathom that one didn’t have to be at the expense of the other.

[quote]Bad news from Arizona. I'm convinced Biden will lose the state.

Despite the Democrats' nefarious, sweeping plan to steal the election from Glorious Leader?

This is what a QAnon supporter says about Biden supporters.

[quote]I hope you're right. But these faggots want to live in the matrix. They don't want the truth. joe biden could be on tape sucking michelle obamas 10' cock while cashing a $500 million check from China and it wouldn't matter

Does anyone else feel like this is the end of America? I just don’t see trump giving up no matter what

more world reaction

R495 is a troll.

No, I don't feel that way, R495. It doesn't matter whether Trump gives up or concedes. The election results will still stand and Biden will be the President, regardless of whether the petulant child currently occupying the White House agrees or not.

Biden has 279 EV which aren't going anywhere. AZ will take forever and is irrelevant. GA will recount but his lead is 10.6K and will give him 295 EV w/out AZ

Trolls and polls alike, I'd switch to The House and Senate now if I were you.

R496 because we have

[quote] Does anyone else feel like this is the end of America? I just don’t see trump giving up no matter what

Mary! Unclutch the pearls. Trump said, way in advance of the election, that he would challenge it if he lost. (Didn't say he'd challenge the elections if he won, haha.)

This is about the best outcome possible.

Trump's got a real chance of insolvency, public embarrassment, business damage and JAIL now. It was re-election or Leticia James.

His also has a history of suing when he doesn't get his way. None of this was unexpected like R501 says.

[quote]An elections lawyer was on NPR today and said that the American people do not vote for President, but determine the electors. he also said that the constitution does not force the electors to vote for the person their state wanted, so it is possible for the New York electors to vote for Trump. The provisions are in some state constitutions, but not in the federal one.

This is a recipe for a shit show when such bad actors like Trump and the GOP are involved.

I bet most voters are totally clueless about this. And exactly how are they gonna understand that they vote for electors, not for President, when they fill in the circle next to the candidate for President?

Yes but do you think either party this year chose disloyal electors after 2016?

Send Melania back to Slovenia.

Here we go. This is how it will probably play out. He will say he’s leaving but will never admit defeat and announce that he will be running in 2024

[quote]Send Melania back to Slovenia.

And Trump to Lower Slobovia.

Hopefully he will be dead by 2024

[quote]Hopefully he will be dead by 2024

Hopefully he will be locked up on Riker's Island by 2024.

Bernie Sanders is more likely to win the 2024 primary than Trump.

R506 And in the meantime he stills gets those campaign donations coming in over the next four years. Deutsche Bank will be happy.

Once NYS AG is done with him he won't be running for anything except from the law!

SMH

It's highly unlikely that the GOP will be able to get ANY electors to change their votes

30 or 40 electors? Hell is more likely to freeze over.

PS: Esper, unsurprisingly, is out

I resisted the idea that he was being blackmailed, but maybe he is.

I was kind of thinking that too; after being re-elected, at the very least, he could sit back & make some general statement about "count every vote", but no, he goes right back to Head Bootlicker and encourages Dumps absurd fantasies. I'm beginning to think Dump & Co. do really have something on Lady G for that level of devotion

Yes R514

They know he's gay and in Lady G's mind, that is only really a sin if it's public knowledge.

The Navajo nation mentioned up thread is suffering disproportionately from Covid. This link is to a fundraiser for Navajo and Hopi families.

[quote]With a lot of talk about Native voting in Arizona. I thought I would share 2 maps. The left is a map showcasing all 22 tribes in the state. The right an updated 2020 voting results maps by precinct. This give you an idea of how Indigenous communities voted in the 2020 election. - Shondin Silversmith

Nate Silver: Especially given that those states are in different parts of the country (South/Midwest/West/Northeast). We've seen in the past few elections largely regionally-driven polling errors. Polls badly underestimated Trump in WI, but only modestly in AZ and PA and not at all in GA.

I know it’s tempting to fall into the doom porn rabbit hole, but please try not to. It’s what they want from us, to feel despair, to feel fear. They are not going to stage a coup.

Biden's lead in Arizona expanded slightly, to 17,131 votes.

[quote]doom porn rabbit hole

Pics please.

[quote] Send Melania back to Slovenia.

Post-divorce she'll be getting her own reality show.

Barr is meeting with McConnell right now, per Maggie haberman. This could get bad....

Trump is doing Trump: Making every damn day about him.

Won't do this thing. Will do that thing. Fires this person. Bullies that person. He's golfing! He's suing! He's holding a rally! He's Tweeting! He's eating! He's denying the tally!

President-elect Sleepy Joe is wide awake now, Diaper Don.

From Dump to GRUMP.

The lawsuits are just a stall while he raises more money. He's broke. Just read that he's selling his helicopter.

heh heh

[quote]Send Melania back to Slovenia.

No, thank you. We have sufficient.

This is all a ruse...just an opportunity to grift...meanwhile Biden is has his nose to the grindstone. The lazy fat fuck Trump didn't do shit over 4 yers.

More republicans congratulating Biden

The usual suspects, but it’s something I guess

Mitch McConnell speaking to Senate now.

Touting the usual line. We’re in trouble

Says he wants “no lectures” from democrats on when to concede. This is a coup

Says democrats can’t complain because they called Trump illegitimate for four years

[quote]Touting the usual line. We’re in trouble.

We're in trouble because corrupt Republicans are mollifying the toddler-in-chief?

No.

Didn’t people say Trump was illegitimate because he lost the popular vote (by a lot) and only got in because of 77k votes in three states, and ge seemed to be a Russian puppet and benefactor?

Oh Republicans, always bending facts for your own purpose.

McConnell met with Barr before giving that speech. They’re cooking something up.

It’s no coup. As states finish counting and Trump loses court cases, the outcome will be clear. . People can posture all they want.

Trump is busy firing people who’ll be out soon anyway. He’s afraid to show his face so that’s a plus. Meanwhile Biden is acting like he’s already the President.

Esper should declare victory and announce he ain't going nowhere. Just for the lulz.

I want McConnell dead so fucking badly.

Can we flood Kentucky with a million lawsuits challenging McConnell's re-election? And South Carolina as well?

Esper being fired is very worrisome. Means he said “no” to something Trump wants done. It is time to panic

It's not about Trump. It's about keeping the base riled up for the Georgia runoffs.

No, Esper's head was on the chopping block this summer because he publicly opposed Trump wanting to send in troops to break up the protesting. Trump wanted to get rid of him then and was told it would look bad during the run up to re-election. Trump is just getting back at him now.

[quote]Didn’t people say Trump was illegitimate because he lost the popular vote

Well, it wasn't because his mother was a whore. (Although she probably was.)

Turtle's statement just underscore how important it is to diminish his role next year

Glenn Kirschner:

Let's Talk Criminal Accountability for the Trump Years Under the Likely Biden/McConnell Power Split

[quote]It is time to panic

The concern trolls on this thread need to get a fucking grip.

McConell is one shady bitch. Look at that Fox News chyron.

While speaking on the Senate floor, majority leader Mitch McConnell also argued American democracy could withstand Donald Trump’s legal challenges in key battleground states.

McConnell said “a few legal inquiries from the president” would not lead to “the end of the republic.”

ELECTION 2020 PART 21, for when we need it.

I wonder what the calculation is behind this move.

WAPO: GOP Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue of Georgia on Monday called on Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a fellow Republican, to resign over what they described as his failure to deliver “honest and transparent elections.”

My fear is they’ll find a small legitimate case of fraud and use that and run with it

[quote]My fear is they’ll find a small legitimate case of fraud and use that and run with it

Do you imagine that no "small legitimate case" of fraud could be found that favored the Republicans?

Mitch is walking the rope. He doesn’t say he believes there was fraud, just that Trump has the right to make his case. Pure performance.

Sens. Loeffler and Perdue issue a joint statement as Barr and McConnell meet and then denounce the election results from the floor of the Senate, followed by Ronna McDaniel and Bullshit Barbie calling a press conference...while 45 has tweetahrea...

What a fucking Monday.

Do some of you have a default setting that is stuck on panic?

Fox News cuts out of McEnany

Cavuto: "Whoa, whoa, whoa. I just think we have to be very clear: she's charging the other side as welcoming fraud and illegal voting, unless she has more details to back that up, I

Fox News cuts out of McEnany

Cavuto: "Whoa, whoa, whoa. I just think we have to be very clear: she's charging the other side as welcoming fraud and illegal voting, unless she has more details to back that up, I can't in good countenance continue to show you this."

r558 45 calling Rupert in 3, 2, 1 . . . voice mail

Nate Silver spends more time Tweeting about why his predictions are wrong than he does making accurate predictions.

I think they are 1. Humoring Trump. 2. Hoping for an opening to challenge the election. Until it’s clear there is no path, they will do everything they can to try and stop it.

Georgia’s top election official after Sens. Loeffler, Perdue call on him to resign: 'That is not going to happen’

All part of God’s plan: An adviser for President Donald Trump's campaign, David Bossie, has tested positive for coronavirus only days after he was tapped to oversee the campaign's legal challenges contesting the outcome of the election, two sources confirmed to CNN.

How can the Pigeon Headed Whore be both the President's and the Campaign's spokesperson?

[quote]Dear GOP rumor mill: Avid Technology (which is tied 2 Diane Feinstein’s spouse) may be tied 2 Dominion Connecticut (a nuclear plant), but seems to have no ties to Dominion Voting (a voting machine vendor). If u have proof 2 the contrary, pls provide it. Otherwise, pls retract. - Jennifer Cohn (election security advocate)

and

[quote]PSA

[quote]A nuclear power plant is not a voting machine vendor, just as a seed store is not a hotel. - Kim Sherrell

[quote]How can the Pigeon Headed Whore be both the President's and the Campaign's spokesperson?

So she can lose TWO jobs at once.

SO FUCKING FUNNY

(video)

It’s funny that everyone screaming about anyone saying Trump is going to steal it through the courts and calling them trolls, are the same people who were screaming that Bill Maher was nuts to think Trump wouldn’t leave. Guess what? Yes, we won. Guess what else? He’s not leaving.

Everyone said he wouldn't leave. Pelosi (we'll fumigate him out), Bernie, Liz, Maher. He told us for goodness sake! I can't imagine why anyone would be shocked.

I think very few people thought he wouldn't challenge or that he wouldn't leave kicking and screaming. Most knew he would do both.

Also, the challenges to the election are just a cash grab and nothing more.

Biden up 11.5K in GA.

Recount will be a waste of time and money.

I could see Barr asking McConnell to say Trump is in his rights but not say anything about fraud or cheating. Courts are open to all to file a lawsuit but if you have no evidence then your case goes nowhere.

The most dangerous thing is the gop going along with it. Just purely disgusting and scary. This isn’t going to end well.

It never ends well with cultists.

We've known this since Jonestown.

LBJ was so so so right at R178. I learned that as a kid just watching To Kill A Mockingbird.

R568 no ones surprised at this point that he refuses to leave, but it really was Maher who first made a thing of it (over 4 years ago) and then everyone realized he was right and jumped on the “he met leave” bandwagon. We WILL get him out because the fact is he has no claims and everyone at this stage knows it (even Republicans). But it’s pathetic that it has to come to this.

Do his cultists still believe JFK Jr is on his way back from the dead to ride side by side with Orange?

R572, I think Barr has always been working for the other side. A side Trumpets call the "deep state". I think he is there to ensure Trump is kept under control while publicly allowing him his antics.

R573, I think we need to calm down. We may not like it, but putting aside Trump's closest circle, most GOP are saying what any Democrat would say in this situation. "Let it play out". "Show evidence". "If you dont have any, fuck off." They are very carefully choosing the words and everyone stop short of siding with any outrageous claims. But otherwise they are right, let this run its course. It will hit a wall soon.

If you’re not terrified, you’re not paying attention

R579 Trump would love for us to be terrified. The worst thing you can do to him is not pay him attention. And don’t give him airtime! That’s what REALLY needs to happen — finally.

I will not live in fear of a GOP HISSY FIT

New thread.

I'm amazed at how much those Georgia numbers have grown.

The Senate candidates there are making a stink because they need Trump to rally for them for the January runoffs. The last thing they need is to have him sniping at them on Twitter for not falling in line.

At the same time, they look like idiots to voters who did not vote for Trump. And in Georgia, that number is almost the majority.

This is the future of the GOP. They can't afford to repudiate Trump because he will take his revenge on Twitter, but they can't afford to back him because it's clear he can't win an election.

Delicious to watch.

I'm not 'terrified' at this point but I do think something has fundamentally changed forever and the GOP can never go back now that it has stuck by Trump and allowed him to completely take over the party. I worry that their candidates will only get worse from here and agree who whoever (I've lost track of talking heads) said that they will eventually find a 'Trump' who is more smooth and polished and then we'll be in deep shit.

Dave Wasserman on PA:

New: Biden wins Beaver Co., PA's provisionals 258 to 164, even though Trump won the county overall 58%-41%. Not clear provisionals will cut into Biden's statewide margin at all; if I had to bet they'll pad Biden's margin quite a bit.

On his way back, r577? He’s been back! Unfortunately for you, he’s wearing a holographic body stocking which renders him invisible to blind sheeple who choose to stay in the matrix. He’s going to peel it off during a press conference on 11/11, at exactly 11:11 a.m.

IT’S REALLY HAPPENING THIS TIME!!

Is there some law that says Jack Dorsey can't suspend Dump's Twitter until he grows up and concedes? That threat would have Dump giving up toot sweet. He can't function without Twitter.

[quote] Brian Kemp @BrianKempGA; "Georgia's election result will include legally cast ballots - and ONLY legally cast ballots. Period."

[quote] plz @dothedirtybird; "girl, selfie sunday was yesterday and u ain’t looking too hot right now...."

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

You know what will stop the coup? If the market goes into the toilet. The question is how to mount an action that hits Trump in the gonads but does not involve looting.

It occurs to me that the market will go into the toilet if Trump doesn't leave and no coordinated action is needed.

MSNBC just said tRump is 0 for 7 in lawsuits. Anyone know how many lawsuits there are?

I read 13, but I have no idea if that is accurate so take with a grain of salt.

"Trump Campaign Files Federal Lawsuit Seeking to Block Pennsylvania from Certifying Election Results"

It's on the docket of U.S. District Judge Matthew Brann, a Barack Obama appointee.

Developing.

Meanwhile, a Puerto Rican man throws paper towels over the White House fence. He says he was without running water after hurricane Maria.

He asked someone to take a video of him doing it. “It’s going to mean a lot to my parents,” he said.

I think we should assume that if the Republicans can hand the election to Donald, they will. These people think nothing of stripping powers from Democratic governors. The Dems should not underestimate them and I hope they aren;t,

About Native Americans supporting Biden. He went in with Native Americans to come up with a comprehensive policy.

[quote]I think we should assume that if the Republicans can hand the election to Donald, they will.

Yeah, we know, but right now, anyway, nothing they're doing is working and they're getting shot down in the courts and even on Fox News.

Closing out.

End game.

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This is fine.

Compare this to “Make America Great Again” hats.