Trafalgar Polling Exposed as Charlatans as Biden wins at least 3 States they called for Trump

No surprise there.

All polling is horseshit and should be ignored from this day forward. That goes for the political talking heads who are all just as full of horseshit.

I hope we learn our lesson and stop paying any further attention to any of them.

Oh, no, OP. Now you'll awaken the Trafalgar troll on DL who will somehow insist that Trafalgar was the only pollster who got it right.

2016 was the end of me believing in any polls.

I still love PollTroll, I just take the info with a grain of salt.

R3, well, that’s idiotic of you, What you should be disbelieving are the tallies in places where they don’t match the polls.

R4 Exactly. Lots of mail-in ballots have been tossed. That's why the polls were so off. Lots of cheating and voter suppression.

These guys are going to stay in business and keep making money, though. Just like religion.

The Republican Party is a fascist cult now that only wants to hear what they like. So Republican pornography will remain a niche market.

Honest people and sharp prognosticators won't be messing around with them, however.

My theory - the polls were right. But like most things Trump, they were too incompetent to cheat enough to win, and Russia couldn't influence a mail-in count like they could hack machines.

I don't believe anything political posted here anymore as this site is often as misleading as FOX news is in the other direction. I prefer to wait for the real news.

Boo hoo, Boris.

R4, people lie to pollsters.

Well, they successfully cheated in FL, r7, using the USPS to suppress votes in South Florida.

And the danger is that it's only a matter of time before Putin bribes enough Republicans or partisan civil servants in other states to buy a whole election. Their party faithful won't mind a bit.

I don’t even understand how pollsters can use their data anymore. It is SO unreliable. And yet, what use can they do? You need data.

R10 and “people” like you get paid to spread propaganda online.

I am a Democrat and a political junkie and I’ll call bullshit on this thread because giving Republicans a seven point bump after all other factors seems like better methodology than what most other pollsters used. Maybe it should have been five instead of seven points but if you look at what happened in House and Senate races, traditional palling was off between five and 15 points. And then the presidential, the polling for Wisconsin and Michigan was in the high single digits and for Pennsylvania it was in the 5 to 6 point range and all of them will end up within 1 to 2 points.

ABC news claim last week that Biden was leading in Wisconsin by 17 points. He didn’t win as much as survived by 1. They should just shut down their polling.

Oh for fuck sake, R13. Are you really going to pull that troll shit with me? Must everything be a conspiracy? I've been on DL for 20 years. Why are you acting as though tons of people are not "side-eyeing" polling since this is the second fucking election where they were off?

And whoever is "paying," could never afford me.

R15, so you’re saying you’re just stupid. You’re incapable of critical thought and are “low information” by necessity.

Oh for fuck sake, R16. Do you work for some polling service? You're a little too angry.

Life-long Democrat here and political junkie, BUT, I think the most brilliant thing President Biden could do is appoint a bunch of Republicans and Russian FSB agents to his administration.

R17 = Tone Police

Accept that there are countless people who are quite leery of polling at this point and that is no reflection on someone's level of intelligence or makes them a troll. Why you felt the need to immediately respond that way is beyond me, since it is not an unusual view to hold considering this is the second election where people were made to believe certain things that did not pan out - including the Senate.

Anyone leery of polling but not fraudulent tallies is a fucking moron. And I am out of patience with all of this fucking stupidity. It’s really like no one’s brains work any more. If the TV says it, it must be true. Ignore everything that falls outside of or contradicts that narrative. The abject stupidity.

R21, of course I'm outraged by fraudulent tallies. I wish every vote could be counted in front of UN observers. That has nothing to do with the fact that polling got it wrong again.

And BTW, polling is meaningless because the electoral college will always render them meaningless. It doesn't fucking matter if Biden gets millions more votes or that Senate Dems get millions more votes. We are beholden to a system that negates majority rule and majority opinion.

The Senate hasn't been decided and the legit pollsters were right about Biden winning.

Truth is, the majority of pollsters use fairer methods with the inent of accuracy and they were closer to the truth than Trafalgar and Rasmussen, whose purpose is to stimulate Republican genitals.

Most pollsters got most contests right.

Trafalgar and Rasmussen were the ones who were WAAAAY off, outside the margins of error in some places.

Just look at Cahaly in the pic.

Everything about him and his enterprise just screams, "Southern white trash on the make," with a cabinet full of snake oil to sell you.

OOPS, Republicans!

Trafalgar missed Pennsylvania and Georgia, too!

That's FIVE states Trafalgar COMPLETELY LIED ABOUT to stimulate Republican delusions and genitalia.

You think anyone is going to take them seriously after this?

FORGET IT.

Trafalgar score = 5 polling calls correct; 5 wrong.

HALF OF TRAFALGAR POLLS ARE WRONG.

Boris is on a desperate bumping tear to erase the bad news about his Trumplethinskin losing Georgia and Pennsylvania.

[quote] Trafalgar score = 5 polling calls correct; 5 wrong? HALF OF TRAFALGAR POLLS ARE WRONG.

You are saying the actual results were outside the margin of error?

Several of Trafalgar's fantasy calls were.

Trafalgar wasn’t wrong about Pennsylvania. It had 3.7% as Undecided. That 3.7% would eventually be for one of the candidates. It appears most went for Biden. Plus the MoE was 2.93%. Some low information people apparently don’t understand MoE or the Undecided percentage.

Credible pollsters also had Biden wins within the margins of error. And yet they still predicted the winner accurately.

You can't tell me an organization that automatically awards 7% to the Republican because they assume voters are ashamed is anything but right-wing pornography. Most Trump voters aren't ashamed -- that's their problem.

We had shy, silent Biden voters in the South this year.

And now that Trump's collapse is complete, Trafalgar isn't useful or relevant anymore. The're not going to be as embarrassed of the new Republican candidates, who will presumably be less psycho than Failigula.

Cassandra Fail!

What Trafalgar exposes is that complete morons can be as accurate at polling as WaPo, ABC and Quinnipac.

[quote]Trafalgar Polling Exposed as Charlatans as Biden wins at least 3 States they called for Trump

There's a difference between "calling" and "predicting," OP.

Quinnipiac is a lame, outlier example of unbiased polling, anyway.

There's a reason Fox, the New York Times and Emerson are listened to .

WOMP WOMP

The Trafalgar 7% Republican bump is to offset the hidden trump voters. We know they exist now. And its not just a shy voter, someone who doesn't tell their spouse or neighbors--these are people who don't vote usually and who pollsters don't even think of looking at. Frank Luntz has an interview on AXIOS on HBO that discusses it, i only saw the commercial for it.

Cahaly looks like he's no stranger to rest-stop glory holes.

We know what it’s for and it’s not accurate.

Trafalgar botched 5 states with their porn!

Boris is so triggered that Hair Furor lost the election! He's living just to nit-pick Biden's minor injuries now and somehow make the Lincoln Project ineffective, though Trump lost.

I've got to hand it to Trafalgar. At least they correctly predicted the Democrats would win both Georgia Senate seats.

Bitch please.

LEGITIMATE polls were right in BOTH 2016 and 2020.

They said Hillary would win the popular vote AND SHE DID.

They said Biden would win the popular vote and electoral college, AND HE DID.

Only Boris DeFuckwit wants you to believe the Fake News that all "the polls" are always off, except for his precious fraudsters Trafalgar.