ELECTION 2020 Part 6

Link to previous thread.

If you are just joining us Michigan said it would take all day to finish counting early vote. Nevada said they would update their vote totals tommorow.

With a win in Nevada, Wisconsin and Michigan Biden wins the WH.

Georgia is still a wild card, and expect PA to take forever.

Everyone sucks and I hate everyone. but I do think Biden will pull this out. But it sucks that it isn't a blowout. I know, I'm Veruca Salt. I WANT IT NOW DADDY!!!

The Senate doesn't look good, and without it we're not much ahead, except ejecting the King Rat and his cunts from the WH.

I know a lot of Democrats are disappointed that, even though it looks like Biden will win, he’s not going to win as big as we hoped.

Keep in mind: It’s been very difficult to beat right-wing nationalists in other countries, and it’s very difficult to beat an American incumbent.

I can't believe almost half the country still wants Trump. Fuck 'em.

I’ve felt like I was gonna puke since 7 last night. I wish I could go to sleep and wake up tomorrow.

I'm Susan Collins level concerned about the Senate. If it's Republican, and Biden wins, he is going to have to shame them every day, call them out every minute, play every game he can. Oh, hell, it's gonna be ugly, we know it.

I feel like shit today. I’m disgusted with the outcomes.

I was nervous about how Florida would go, while I am not happy that we lost I am glad to see that despite Trumps epic campaigning here and moving to Florida he still didn’t win by a huge margin. There is still hope for the future here but the Democratic Party needs to learn from its past mistakes.

We needed the party to fight back against the claims that Democrats are socialists, that follow the teachings of Che Guevara.

Democrats did not come out strongly to denounce the violence and riots, this cost us dearly.

Fox News has changed the color of Michigan from leading red to leading blue.

I will say this though, Biden and the White House will have the receipts. There's a lot of shit in the record about Trump and about his dealings with the shitty Republican Senators. Use it. Use all of it. Expose fuckers as the fuckers they are. And use every scrap of Russian treason on every Senator, cause there is a lot of shit there too.

How were the polls for the Dem senate candidates so FAR off?

Biden campaign thinking:

- They believe they’ve won Wisc, expect it to be called this morning

- Mich vote by mail lead is insurmountable and will be called midday

- Philly vote by mail will come in tonight or tomorrow

- GA result midday or early afternoon

- NV called tomorrow

Michigan just turned BLUE!! per CNN

Biden has pulled ahead in MI by the slightest of margins.

Responding to a couple posts in the last thread:

Rs 596/597, Trump is going to challenge everything, no matter how ridiculous the legal argument. His DOJ has been such a sloppy bitch that Roberts has openly told them in SCOTUS decisions that they have to get their act together if they want him to do their bidding. His campaign lawyers are *even bigger* bootlicking idiots, so they will through anything to see what sticks. And as I pointed out, what advantage Trump has is a stacked federal judiciary.

Gee thanks, Matt.

R5, Bill Clinton beat incumbent George Bush Sr. by a strong margin in 1992, carrying 32 states and DC.

To be fair, third party candidate Ross Perot did eat into Bush's vote though Perot didn't win a single state.

C’mon Michigan, don’t let us down!

Big winners: #MoscowMitch, #LeningradLindsey, and Vladimir

I'm not sure how our Party fights back r9. We present moderate economic and social programs yet get smacked down by the country. One thing is for sure. Warren needs to challenge Schumer for the Majority Leader position. I know she turns people off but so does Mitch. We need a change and since he failed to do his most important job this year, he needs to step down from leadership.

Nancy can stay since she held her chamber and was planning on retiring in 2022 anyway. We need some massive change in America and a fresh leader in the Senate if we are going to have any chance of winning it back in 2022.

Someone's head needs to roll, I think Chuck Schumer's makes the most sense. Put Warren in that role and let's go for something new. I'd also accept Martin Heinrich, because he's pretty lol.

I’m just gonna say it.

Mitch needs to drop dead. Immediately.

r21 here, I meant Minority Leader position not Majority. I have no faith in GAs special elections in January but who knows.

Are the counties that have yet to be counted in MI Blue leaning or red?

Mitch has to die soon. He has to.

He’s rotting already so it could happen

Behold the power of white supremacy

NPR claims MI called for Biden

Maybe old Mitch will trip and hit his head and a good brain bleed will take him out. His hands in recent pictures definitely make me suspect he’s on blood thinners.

A few days ago, I trained for this election by re-watching reporting for the 2016 Election. Therefore, going into last night, my expectations were more grounded and my senses more dulled. Nonetheless, some of these results are still hard to swallow without a shot of whiskey in my morning joe.

If Biden wins and the GOP keep the Senate, you can forget about any new stimulus bill getting passed.

Nate Cohn:

Biden has taken the lead in Michigan, according to the AP

Along with AZ, NV and WI, he now leads in states worth 270 electoral votes--the number needed to win

As usual, the idiot Orange has injured himself. By painting a picture of unending, months-long confusion and uncertainty over election results, once it's wrapped up with NV/AZ/WI/MI on Thursday, the media and most of the country are going to be "Wow, it's done, Biden won."

There may be legal challenges filed, but they will be nuisance claims, like EVERY SINGLE other one the Orange campaign has filed in the past nine months, and they will be thrown out for lack of standing or some other basic fault that his lawyers should be embarrassed to put their names on. Everything in the remaining states is being done by the book, with observers, per their state law. These legal feints, perhaps drafted by Ivanka's young daughter with crayon, will not advance through the courts or ever make it to the Supreme Court.

I can’t believe Lindsey G won by such a big margin. Something smells fishy and it ain’t Lady G thong

I think he was pretty sick earlier this month but pushed through it to ensure Croney-Sin’n’bare-it got her seat.

[quote]f Biden wins and the GOP keep the Senate, you can forget about any new stimulus bill getting passed.

You can also say goodbye to bulking up the Supreme Court.

I LOVE YOU POLL TROLL!!!!

R18 Clinton had a strong margin over Bush, but still only a plurality. He got about 43% of the popular vote. And he won in part because there were still enough old Southern white Dems in a few Confederate states who voted straight ticket Dem no matter what. Those days are gone.

R13, I'm from Philly and I handed in my mail in ballot last week and the lines were enormous all over the city. I now regret doing that because of the delay in the results, but I didn't trust that my vote would be counted any other way. I did drive by the drop off locations all last week out of curiosity, and each day, the lines were extremely long. And on some Philly social media sites, people posted the long lines they were standing in at various parts of the city. That is giving me some hope that Philly will pull out a win for Joe.

The Senate is not out yet. Fox News has Maine and Michigan as close, One Georgia seat is going to runoff and one that could jump when the metro vote comes in.

It is thin, I know. But not impossible.

I dunno r21. I guess we go crazy. The country loves crazy. Call every Republican a neoNazi Cunt and we win? Rational doesn't work, so hey, let's have fun with this.

R29 Turtles shells protect their head in falls.

The chart on the front page of Yahoo currently has Biden ahead in the Electoral College by 25 votes.

R34 -- I would say a certain percentage of white voters in SC would not vote for a black man except Tim Scott is black

It may have been reaction to all the outside money Jamie raised?

I agree r33, the one thing that Biden will have if he wins, is the court of public opinion, which the Supreme Court has taken into consideration from time to time. Meaning, people will be exhausted by Friday when this should be comfortably called by all the news agencies. People will want this to just be over.

Then again, that was the SC of the past.

R34 Racism runs so very deep in this country. They will never tell pollsters what they talk about when they're sitting at home 'round the kitchen table behind a locked front door.

Graham won?? Shut up!

Kisses to you, R37. : )

R12, it's those Trump voters who don't want anyone to know how vile they are, so they say they're going to vote blue, and then they don't.

It could be a deadlocked Senate with Kamala being the tie-breaker.

There was quite a bit of Latino bashing in Florida last night. The Latinos voting for Trump are your older Cubans, most older voters from South and Central America who are conservative in nature. The biggest group driving these results was not even mentioned once, Brazilians. They are hardcore republicans, even the younger ones.

This group has settled in south Florida and are a force to be reckoned with.

Tillis in NC is no longer a for sure either. But by my calculations, Cunningham would have to take almost all the outstanding votes.

I'll say it one more time. Schumer needs to go! Nice guy, but he is no leader.

So that is five senate seats still in play.

Wishful thinking beats bitching and moaning.

If nothing else, we should make a big show, every gay organization, of saluting the re-election of a clearly gay man in South Carolina. I want to see massive ad campaigns from HRC and every other organization. Lots of Rainbow Flags saluting South Carolina for their progressive choice in clearly embracing a Gay Man.

Nothing actually rational and sensible works in this country, so let's just start using their tools against them: Branding!!!!

This country is stupid and racist, but our press also deserves a lot of blame. All major media is corporate controlled, GOP-protective, and pushes narratives that outright harm or ignore/distort leftists. It's easy to rip on Faux News, but the NYT has been normalizing fascists for a century.

Guys I know we wanted the Senate but can be focus on CHEETO IS GOING TO LOSE.

This is a victory worth celebrating.

Almost there.

Graham was always going to win. It's South Carolina people.

Since it's not over yet, and I think we are headed to some good news if we're patient, I'm not gonna get mad with people just yet. But I'm seriously thinking of implementing a no Cuban ban on my hole. And I'm definitely going to boycott I Love Lucy reruns for quite some time.

When I went to bed last night some conservative Twitter posters were cautiously optimistic, but this morning they’re quite negative with claims of states being “stolen” by the Democrats.

R55 I agree. We should be extolling SC for their wisdom in electing a Gay Man to represent them. Thank you, SC!

Poll Troll, this is a lot to put on your shoulders, but, you're the bomb and the balm.

I fear Biden will make the world a far more dangerous place: he's a 77 year old patently suffering neurological decline, but will be perceived as a weak pushover by China, Russia, etc. (On the positive side, he's not as dangerous as Hillary would have been.) I think he will be a lame duck in the Jimmy Carter bold, and the idea he will be 81 will still president is insane. There should be a law against it. People haven't voted for him: they voted against Trump. No one should be a head of state after 70.

Unlike EVERY president for the last 60 years, Trump hasn't got the US into any wars -- a VERY imporant point too often overlooked. Behind the buffoon exterior, he's shrewder (rat cunning, if you prefer) than given credit.

I just hope that Putin or Trump says "Fuck it" and releases whatever it is they have on the senatrice. THAT would be fucking awesome.

[quote]Are the counties that have yet to be counted in MI Blue leaning or red?

PA can still go to Biden. 1.4m votes to count

I love John Berman's concerned face on CNN. I want to kiss his furrowed brow.

R66 he looks sweet

We need to get Christopher Durang to write Graham’s biopic.

I 100% agree with you R56, and it’s why I haven’t touched the NY Times in over two years.

Graham winning was likely, but Graham winning with that high a margin is suspect. It's entirely possible that the GOP fucked with the numbers but overcorrected.

For the US internally, Biden might be better, but for the world, Trump is better. Less military interventionism, and a reshuffling of defense forces in Europe.

Democrats are set to become the first party in American history to win the popular vote in 7/8 elections.

I'd be extremely grateful if Biden won. Senate would have been life-changing, but Biden winning and dislodging that fat toxic barnacle would be extremely sweet. The presidency has a lot of power, even without the Senate.

R71 Biden is better in both cases, are you crazy?

Yay r72!!! We could lose the WH, the Senate and House at this point.

If Biden can't get Moscow Mitch to pass a stimulus bill, he can always threaten to REFORM the Supreme Court.

[quote]PA can still go to Biden. 1.4m votes to count

Yes. Both Nate Cohn & Dave Wasserman have said this morning that Biden can still win PA.

R62 Absolutely no evidence for anything you have represented with respect to foreign policy.

R71 Today, extant countries ruled by 'strongmen', the US is standing more isolated in the world than four years ago. That does not bode well for the capability of the world's strongest nation to maintain the peace.

[quote]We should be extolling SC for their wisdom in electing a Gay Man to represent them.

We should be extolling SC for their wisdom in electing a cowardly closet case to represent them?

There are extremely few countries in the world that want more Trump, either their leaders or their citizens. This has been reported widely for four years.

Biden now leading in Michigan.

The good thing is we won't be stressing about the PA vote, as things stand it will be gravy on top rather than the meal.

Ahead in Wis, Mich and Nev. That is all that is needed. Ga, NC and PA still in play.

Now that Michigan is ahead, Biden should come out and say he agrees with Trump and we should stop counting.

LOL, the trolls are still. trying with "but Trump is a dove" bullshit.

Trump boosted the military and ratcheted up drone strikes. And Covid is literally a worldwide pandemic that is out of control in the US. That plus global warming pose serious security threats in and outside the US. Now please fuck off.

[quote]We could lose the WH, the Senate and House at this point.

Could also win all three. You don't know.

R79 Please see R55, then you'll see the reasoning!

Thanks Della at R61. : )

It's a tragedy what's happened to The NY Times. Its reporting can no longer trusted.

While always a liberal paper, it really took aching pains to provide neutral balanced reporting, except in the opinion pages.

That changed the morning after the Trump election when it seemed to lose its head. Opinion and distortion leached into its reporting, and now, because of the Woke staff pressure situation, who think this is all fine and dandy and how things should be, it will be impossible to claw it out. It's become a sort of high brow leftist university rag.

R72 In a modern world, the electoral college is an anachronistic system which only acts to disenfranchise great swaths of American citizens.

Thank goodness for weird NE-02. If Trump wins PA and GA it would have been a 269-269 tie rather than Biden win without NE-02.

uh-oh, I'm starting to droop, ladies. I think I have to hit the sheets. It's 6:30am here. I've thoroughly enjoyed spending the night with all of you and I'll see you this afternoon once I arise from my bedchamber.

R89 Interesting. What do you think about the Washington Post?

wow, r92. Sleep well. I crashed at midnight.

R92 Thanks for your diligence. Check in with us later...

R78 but it would "force" for example the EU to be more coherently organized in terms of their own defenses, and leave more $$ for the US to be invested for the US population.

We don't have Maine-2 yet either, ditto the ME Senate seat.

Did Trump have his party for 250 last night? Sorry, I'm way behind the curve...

I can't find the needle page for NYT? Did they drop it this morning?

I got about 4 hrs sleep from 230 to 630 EST.

At least Trump hasn't exponentially expanded military expenses and size.

[quote]Thank goodness for weird NE-02. If Trump wins PA and GA it would have been a 269-269 tie rather than Biden win without NE-02.

Yup. That 1 Electoral Vote in Nebraska's 2nd District could come in very handy for Biden.

Fucking hell, Biden slightly ahead now in Michigan, Nevada and Wisconsin. All 3 will take him to 270!

BIden is up in Maine, Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin and Michigan right now. People relax.

Ralston in Nevada. Biden should win.

So here's where we are in NV:

There are tens of thousands of mail ballots still to be counted in Clark: 337K have been counted; at least 413K have been returned. So 75K or so. These have dramatically favored the Dems so far by more than 2-to-1. Biden should do well there.

Trump is a grifter and a whore r101. Please don't pretend he gives a shit about not spending. TIA

And now a look at how much Trump overperfomed the 538 averages in swing states:

OH: +7 WI: +8 IA: +7 TX: +5 FL: +6 NC: +3 GA: +3 MN: +2 AZ: -1

A really rough night for polls and a disastrous night for certain pollsters such as Quinnipiac who showed Biden doing so much better.

R62 our country is at war with itself under Trump

I still think Biden will win. It should have been a blowout, though. And he is going to have to play hardball, which is not really in his nature. Maybe Kamala can cut a bitch, as needed.

Yeah polling for 2020 was actually worse than 2016 even though they tried to correct errors in 2016. Sad night for the polling field, there will be a lot of figuring out WTF.

r104 after 2016 I don't ever want to hear another mother fucker tell me or anyone to relax while polls are being counted. This is a nailbiter so no we will not relax. You mean well, but today is not the day, Dear.

I'm sorry for being a bitch but this shit is too important.

I hate the fucking Electoral College. Our individual votes should count in electing the President. Some delegates to the Electoral College can actually vote AGAINST the popular vote in their state.

Just stop it, R101.

Very few people care about Chuck Schumer

The fault is Fox News

Feeling better now than I did three hours ago, when I woke up. But 65 million Americans are DEAD to me!

(I turned off all media from 6PM to 6AM, so I could sleep).

No one was telling people to relax while votes were being counted in MI and Wi in 2016 r111.

People knew it looked very worrying for Clintom.

Last night Joy Reid made a good point that we were hoping this election would be a repudiation of Trump and, to a lesser degree, the GOP. Clearly that hasn't happened.

Since so many people still voted for Trump after all of his incompetence, corruption, and childish behavior it really brings home how deep and broad the reactionary element is in this country. How easily these people can be manipulated by outlandish fear mongering.

But then, they've been getting a steady diet of this from conservative talk radio for decades even before Fox News appeared. They've been hearing repeatedly that "their way of life is under attack" by Democrats and Liberals in general, despite the fact that nothing of the sort has happened. But it's just code language for "people who aren't like you are getting a bigger share of the pie that really belongs only to you. Their getting rights that fly in the face of your beliefs, and they need to be put back in their place."

Also I'm sure many of these people would love an authoritarian government. Despite all of their braying about fighting tyranny, they'd be just fine with a Tyrant In Chief as long as he's THEIR tyrant.

One thing is for sure: if Biden wins and decides not to run for a second term, Harris CANNOT be the Presidential candidate. Obama's presidency unleashed the true ugly underbelly of the country in terms of racism, and in the current climate I doubt even Obama could get elected.

Of course its important r111. You react however you want to. It is your right.

Just don't blow a vein, K? I wouldn't want to see that happen

HOMOSEXUALS

If you just ignore the trolls they'll go away. There are dozens of posts you can respond to on here.

Ignore them--this is a fast-moving thread and their BS will soon be buried.

R113 - thanks! missed that.

What do we know about Don Mattingly?

[quote]What do you think about the Washington Post?

The Washington Post is worse! It's as if all the old newspapermen in the Post and NYTimes offices (and many others) who inculcated "balance, balance, balance", into the junior journos, and the critical importance of keeping personal opinion out of news reporting, just suddenly took early retirement. Perhaps that's what happened! The issues at the NYTimes and Post are global problems. The same issue is occurring at conservative newspapers as well. The Telegraph in London now published pieces penned by trolls from right wing think tanks, which would have been unthinkable a few years ago.

R115 Mary, you sleep for 12 hours?

^whoops, meant Phil

R76 that’s what Chris Cuomo actually suggested Biden should do on his show a while back. Not a bad idea at all imo. Let’s hope Biden gets there ughh

R121 i think you mean PHIL Mattingly...

R103 so if Biden wins these three, the election will be safely his, regardless of Pennsylvania?

r110 those rosey polls might have been Biden's only saving grace, because the Senate couldn't be helped. If the polls reflected the map we see today, Trump would have gained more momentum and I guarantee Democrats would have given up. We NEED to at least defeat Trump so that the number of young voters can feel like they CAN enact change.

I'm a millennial and we were shell shocked in 2016. I don't want Gen-Z to give up hope because they are so engaged and have a lot of potential. Not to mention, they are a massive demographic. We need this win to help the people under 30, like myself believe again (I know it's corny). MAGA's never gave up hope after Trump's 2016 "upset". We need that faith on our side.

I am a short term twitter user. Am I reading it correctly that he has been quiet for hours?

[quote][R79] Please see [R55], then you'll see the reasoning!

Oh, I see the "reasoning" alright. I just think it is dumb "reasoning".

I'm tired of blaming conservative radio and Fox News and Facebook. This people are who they are, but most importantly they're embarrassed by who they are because they won't just come out and say it.

At least with those fools who go to his rallies and wear maga hats and shout racist bullshit they are unashamed. I respect them more because they're not lurking in the shadows. It's always the fuckers who smile in your face and offer support, that are knifing you in the back.

I went to bed after my Congresswoman gave her concession speech. She made me cry.

Doesn't seem like I missed much, as the states that were still counting votes, are still counting votes.

R129

"GIVE ME MY FUCKING PHONE BACK IVANKA! NOW!!"

"What phone? Want to see my legs again?"

r116 I'm just saying don't say that shit after we all got our teeth kicked in last night. "Just relax!" Bitch, why? Did you not see the Senate remain in McConnell's hands dooming any COVID plans or stimulus to the needy. Did you not see Biden's pathway narrow?

Yes, he may likely defeat Trump, but 2020 has been nothing but unpredictable. Not a time to relax when more people are voting for the President than they did in 2016. Even with a WH win, our country is in shambles.

Don't go around telling us to relax.

[quote]how deep and broad the reactionary element is in this country.

Maybe it's a reaction against disorder. All the leftist loons in Portland looting and advocating 'defund the police' undoubtedly were the best vote getters for the Republicans ever. They really spooked Middle America, and anyone (which is basically almost everyone) who wants civic peace and order.

R134 has most definitely engaged in boundary stating.

[quote]How were the polls for the Dem senate candidates so FAR off?

R12, some of the Senate polls were off, but some were accurate. The Colorado polling, for example, was very accurate in predicting a clear victory for Hickenlooper. And it looks like the Arizona polls were correct in predicting a victory for Kelly.

Nobody who wants "civic peace and order" can possibly vote for Trump. He is all about chaos and nonsense. There is a disconnect. Whatever they want, it ain't peace and order.

Dan is saying pretty much what I'm seeing here. Looks like Biden will win, but ...

Dan Rather 7m

We awaken to a country in pain, deeply divided, and in search of its soul. That we have an election with razor-thin margins in several states is not a complete anomaly in our history. That the chasms between us feel so fraught and so alienating does feel uniquely precarious;.

There was no wave, although if the votes turn out in a certain way in the final counting Biden could win a healthy number of states. And let's start with a basic fact this morning: a Biden presidency is a completely different destiny for America than a continuation of what we've had. And there seems a fair - maybe even good - chance that he will prevail in the Electoral College.

Regardless, there are a lot of dangerous days ahead. Maybe I am too optimistic, but I don't think that the worst fears of violence or stopping the vote count will be realized. I will believe our institutions will hold.

The question that does loom is what's next? Why did so many support Trump with all that he has done? I don't think there is a single answer to that question. At the same time, one can also ask why did so many vote to reject an incumbent president? That has proven a difficult bar in American history. There are many answers to that question as well.

I don't minimize the challenges we are facing. The struggle for justice and the truth seems more difficult than many had hoped. But that doesn't lessen the importance of the mission. Quite the contrary. I know many are tired, disappointed, and in disbelief. Many wonder what their country truly is and where it might go. All of these are natural reactions to where America is today. But I have seen over the course of my lifetime that victories are rarely easy and the struggle for healing and hope takes time and perseverance, because the forces of hate and lies are always easier to summon.

There is a lot that is broken, deeply broken. But there are millions upon millions of our fellow citizens who wake up each morning, undaunted, ready to do the hard work to help others and make this world a better place. Today, I honor that spirit. As long as I have breath, I will continue to fight for the America I want to live in.

R9, Joe will probably get win, but his proposals are dead in the Senate.

As for denouncing more strongly the riots and looting, Democratic leaders were flummoxed by Trump's conflating those crimes with the BLM and Antifa movements. And without arrests of the actual White looters and smashers, and with it looking like police were somehow besieged (though they were the ones fomenting any violence), we simply looked both ineffectual and complicit.

Regardless of its accuracy in alluding to police brutality towards American Blacks, "Black Lives Matter," as with "Defund the Police," was not a slogan made in "Vote Democratic" heaven.

And regarding Antifa: I never heard one major Democrat explain its name, let alone discuss the philosophy. Again, a deeply unfortunate term, one that means only sedition to millions and is mispronounced by more. It rightly is "Anti-FAH," for "Anti-Fascism." Should have been "Antifasc," pronounced "Anti-FAHSH." Better yet, use "Anti-Fascist." Easy-easy.

Where Trump was astoundingly successful was in convincing millions of Americans that all the street unrest, racial and otherwise; all the disease and death; all the closed businesses and unemployment; were somehow under Biden's watch.

[quote]If Biden wins and the GOP keep the Senate, you can forget about any new stimulus bill getting passed.

Mitch said he's passing stimulus in January. I'm sure he means a stimulus he and Trump want but even under Biden they will have to pass something.

Budget (deficit), healthcare, infrastructure will be very hard but Dems can try to rop a dope Mitch. Otherwise, we have to wait for the midterms and hope to get more Senate seats and keep the House.

r134, Biden's chances have not narrowed. The votes left to count favor him. Trumps votes are in. The majority left to be counted are most likely democratic votes. They are mail in and coming from democratic areas. That is why we don't want you to have an aneurysm. Sit down, have some tea and take a breath.

Job One: Not giving a shit about the Deficit. Job one. Biden should embrace that. In fact, write it into the inaugural address.

Gov DeSatanis is evil incarnate and deserves more recognition for his machinations in Florida. It's not just the Cubans.

[quote] No one should be a head of state after 70.

We disagree.

Joe is not Obama and he knows how the Senate works. I'm not saying he's going to get everything he wants, but he knows how to make it happen. That's key and don't forget that moving forward.

[quote]without arrests of the actual White looters

Gee Honey, you must have watched different videos from the rest of us!

Yeah, there were whites, but they mainly seemed to be acting as stooges -- er, I mean: support players.

One can only hope that the Michigan swing with save the senator there.

Arizona will go in the column for the dems.

Collins looks to somehow win this. N. Carolina will go the way of the state.

Georgia will have a run off for the 2nd and that is hopeful for Dems.

That would be a 49-51, - only one Republican to switch w/Kamala as the tie breaker. Not totally horrible. Not good not what we wanted. But Joe is liked by Republicans in the senate so maybe he can reach across the aisles.

I never want to hear the term BIPOC again. All non white people don’t vote the same or identify with BLM.

If that shit doesn’t end, Republicans will take the Latino votes for years to come.

r39, what is the source of that? I tried googling it (because I want to link it on social media), but I don't see anything.

Biden knows the Senate, but he's no LBJ. Johnson knew how to twist arms and get votes. After the Merrick Garland episode, I have doubts about his ability to reign in McConnell.

I wish the country could split into two sovereign nations.

Detroit, bring MI home!!

Joe wasn't president. Joe was VP and the first thing Joe should do is bring back earmarks. People are a whole lot nicer when served a big helping of pork.

Ok fellow nerds, I excelled it.

Collins is up by 63,382 with 126,000 votes to count.

Tillis is up 96,688 with 390,199 votes to count

Perdue is up by 186,259 with 291,948 votes to count

James is up by 27260 with 371,675 left to count

^Source: Fox News

yes, new figure head for the USA. But nothing much will change. and the virus ain't gonna go away just because Biden is president. The people are stupid as proved by this election.

Nothing to add here, I just wanted to give this thread a bump to keep it from getting swamped by all the ER MAH GERD BIDEN LOST GOD HATES US troll threads.

It's time to cultivate a cult leader on the left (AOC, maybe)

Considering how idiotic Americans appear to be--voting for Trump despite 4 years of incompetence--let's blindly follow someone on the left. Americans will fall in line.

I anticipate this to last until 2028-2030.

R153 Agreed. Re-do the civil war outcome, let them keep the Alabamas, truck rallies, coal mining, etc. We'll keep the coasts, the digital economy, global finance, media entertainment industry, etc. We will agree to have amicable post-divorce relations.

Looks like the Senate race polls only got Hickenlooper and Kelly right. I can't believe Collins is winning.

[quote] Biden knows the Senate, but he's no LBJ. Johnson knew how to twist arms and get votes. After the Merrick Garland episode, I have doubts about his ability to reign in McConnell.

Interestingly, LBJ twisted arms similar to how Trump does it--threateningly.

Biden needs to do the same

[quote] Looks like the Senate race polls only got Hickenlooper and Kelly right. I can't believe Collins is winning.

Polls showed the other races very close so they were right

Thankfully, I went to sleep at midnight because I know this would take 2-3 days to sort out.

The presidency is powerful. Biden winning it would be a very big deal. Even without the senate.

And it will be soooooooooooooooooo nice to not have to listen to nor that at that big orange blimp everyday. Every single day I was pissed off about something he did.

[quote] How were the polls for the Dem senate candidates so FAR off?

The final vote tallies are not in yet is why. Races have been called based on knowing how many votes are outstanding. But we can feel relatively certain that the majority of uncounted votes at this point favor Democrats.

As PollTroll mentioned CO and AZ were exactly correct, as was Alabama. All of the others were projected to be extremely close within 2-4% points.

What is shocking is that we have yet to get a win out of TWELVE competitive races. Totally heartbreaking that seven have been lost because It seems so improbable that you could flip a coin and come up tails SEVEN times in a row even though they were all well financed, incumbents, from deep red states.

We may still eek out Maine, North Carolina or Alaska and hopefully we will be able to score both run offs in GA so all is not completely lost. Just discouraging.

2 weeks ago Graham was begging for money and said everyone hated him. No one sent him money so the Republican party gave him 10 million. If no one donated to him and everyone hated him how the hell did he get so many votes? Biden won Maine but they all voted for Collins? I don't think either of them won and there was still a lot of cheating and manipulation. There is no way that 1/2 this country is this stupid and selfish. Just no way. We need a new system.

*look at

I think Biden ran a very weak campaign. I don't even know where he stands on many issues.

[quote] [R12], some of the Senate polls were off, but some were accurate. The Colorado polling, for example, was very accurate in predicting a clear victory for Hickenlooper. And it looks like the Arizona polls were correct in predicting a victory for Kelly. -PollTroll

[quote] Looks like the Senate race polls only got Hickenlooper and Kelly right. I can't believe Collins is winning.

Dunno, PollTroll. “Some” of the polls off? Seems as if you pollsters could have gotten more than 2 out of how many? 8 or 10 candidates who were touted as being ahead or slightly ahead....

Doesn’t reflect well.....at all.

R70, I call shenanigans , too. No way do I believe that Lindsey won.

People aren’t going accept the results of this election, regardless who wins. Blue wins, Red will claim cheating. Red wins, Blue will claim cheating. This is the worst possible outcome.

Trump will be prosecuted by NY state if he loses.

Dems need kompromat on the Republican senators. Dems never play dirty these days. They should.

[quote] I think Biden ran a very weak campaign. I don't even know where he stands on many issues.

You haven't paid attention

The poor didn't give to Graham but they voted for him?

Obama's presidency wasn't so powerful once the GOP took over the Senate. McConnell blocked everything he could.

Obamacare would never have been passed had the GOP controlled the Senate at the time.

The people who came up with "Defund the Police" versus "Reform the Police" should be shot

We're not done hearing from Trump, even with a Biden win. He'll be in the press nonstop, even if it's tweeting/calling in from a safehouse in Russia hiding from a warrant for his arrest.

prepare for K. Harris to take over in a year or two. I wonder how long Biden will last.

[quote]I think Biden ran a very weak campaign. I don't even know where he stands on many issues.

Fuck you.

Don't get on the Latino vote. It is the Cuban vote. The republicans convinced Cuban and Venezuelan Americans that Biden was a socialist communist. And also that they were witches.

Republicans have no shame. They just will do anything

I can't even believe over 50 K people voted for Kayne West. How stupid are they?

Yes. And let's be real: the Cubans and Venezuelans like right wing dictators

Michigan looking very good as most all the outstanding vote is from Wayne County (Detroit) which has thus far been voting very heavily for Biden,

true that, r186. Those old fucks actually think Batista, mobbed up old asshole, was great.

Republicans have one huge advantage as shown by the senate races. They can be overtly shitty, hypocritical cowards and they will be re-elected. McConnell is living proof of this. This election will embolden them to be even worse because they know there are plenty of voters in their corner. If Biden wins, bank on the Senate being a cesspool. They will make it hell on Biden and all the while have smirks on their faces.

What does the Senate races look like in 2022?

Side bar: Derek Johnson at r150 has total BDF.

I think it’s safe to say the entire polling industry sucks tinea-infested balls.

What will they bleat this time?

These are not random polling errors. They indicate a systematic deficiency.

I'm tired of catering to BLM and the like. I'm sick of it critical race theory/cultural marxism.

I'm sick of Ta-Nehisi Coates and Ibram X. Kendi.

I'm so fucking sick of "structural racism", reparations, the 1619 Project and "America stole California from Mexico and La Raza gonna take it back". I'm sick of all that shit. All it does it alienate white working-class voters. It makes us losers.

You want to know what's wrong, what makes us lose every time? Listen to this podcast. The bitching and moaning, The arch tone of superiority. It's fucking crazy, and we fund it with our taxes.

honestly, I think we can learn from that r189. Pay no attention to anyone advocating compromise or being "reasonable." Be what we are: Progressives who do not believe the Rich are the bestest people ever. Make it obvious. Fuck the Rich.

And constantly, constantly, constantly call out the Republican Senators for the Nazis they are. No reaching out. Call them assholes every minute of every day.

MSNBC on the ground in MI stopping short of calling the state for Biden. So WI and MI are done. Can NV hold??????? Please GOD!!!!!

r156, thanks, I feel like we have more of a chance now.

On a happy note, a bite and DOJ can flood Trump and the Republicans with endless investigations. Mitch is dirty and probably traded on the stock secrets for years. Graham is compromised and maybe will finally find out why. Jailing Trump and his kids will be joyous.

WI and MI are called for Biden.

face it. people lie, that's why polls are not accurate.

Looking forward to Trump going to the big house!

R183 is part of the problem. Why can’t we talk about the elephant in the room. I voted Blue but I knew the Biden/Harris ticket was nowhere near as strong as the media made it out to be. I wish we could discuss why the Democratic Party is where it’s at. But we can’t because we get persecuted if we don’t pretend everything is a 100% perfect and wonderful.

Also, the Democrats should impeach Trump again so it will be officially on his presidential historical record. There is still much to impeach him for. And make him crazy for the next two months.

Biden States uncalled

WI: 20K diff - 170K not tallied

MI: 9.9K diff - 320K not tallied

NV: 7.6K diff - 575K not tallied

Trump States uncalled

GA: 102K diff - 297K not tallied

NC: 76K diff - 343K not tallied

PA: 560K diff - 3,086k not tallied

I just noticed that Kornaki had the same counts as Fox, but higher percent counted ratios, which would reduce the number of not tallied votes. Thankfully that was in WS and would change the not tallied votes from 170K to 100K.

Good news is that we should rock the outstanding counts.

Forgive the Nerd freak out. Im not on anything, lol.

R198, provide a link please.

It's disgusting that South Caroliners (or whatever the fuck you call them) would rather elect a traitorous bitch who lied to their faces (about Supreme Court appointment), kisses Dump's fat ass, and mocks COVID safety precautions, over an intelligent, educated black man, with a $100,000 campaign budget.

I wonder had the Democrat candidate been a white male if it would have been a different outcome.

[quote]Interestingly, LBJ twisted arms similar to how Trump does it--threateningly. Biden needs to do the same

To be able to do that requires some ability to actually threaten, some pressure that can be applied, and some degree of decorum, sense of history, and shame on the part of those whose arms are being twisted. I hate to be a downer but I believe all of these are missing today.

There really isn't anything that Biden can threaten McConnell with and McConnell has already made it clear that he doesn't give a fuck about history or about Senate decorum and that he has absolutely no shame.

My prediction is that McConnell will revisit the playbook that worked successfully against Obama: block everything, refuse to compromise, refuse to give even one small win, even when there is bipartisan agreement that something needs to be done. He'll also block judicial appointments, possibly even Cabinet appointments. He will then run in 2022 and 2024 on a campaign theme that Biden and Democrats just couldn't get anything done, couldn't solve the country's problems.

And because we have a terminally stupid "both-sides" national media, he is likely to get away with it.

Wisconsin and Michigan are not ready to be called yet, thought they look good for Biden.

Patience.

[quote]Don't get on the Latino vote. It is the Cuban vote.

How do you explain away the fact Trump increased his vote with every race and gender except white men?

Where is Pod Save? Why isn't there an emergency podcast?

[Quote]I wonder had the Democrat candidate been a white male if it would have been a different outcome.

It's South Carolina! That was always a big long shot.

Exit polls in an election where most Democratic voters voted early r207. The data is largely meaningless.

I am worried that WI and MI called today for Biden and then tomorrow NV shockingly flips to Trump!!!!! NV is spoiling this for us.

I'm going to read about secession. I'm sick of this.

Even though McConnell will continue to do as much damage as he can, a Biden victory would be no small thing. Picture four more years of Trump and McConnell, four more years of stacking the federal courts not just with conservative ideologues but with uber-partisan Republican conservative ideologues, four more years of grifting, corruption, rule-breaking, law-breaking, four more years of damage to our international relationships, etc.

[quote]Exit polls in an election where most Democratic voters voted early R207. The data is largely meaningless.

And they changed the methodology between 2016 and 2020, so any comparisons are apples to oranges.

[quote] How do you explain away the fact Trump increased his vote with every race and gender except white men?

Power of the incumbency

The (literal) devil you know vs. the unknown.

States need to reform how they count votes: preprocessing, tallying before election day, etc. This dragged-out shit is crazy and damages the perceived legitimacy of their elections.

This is what we are up against: people who like racism, misogyny and yearn for authoritarianism. It’s mind-boggling to watch Americans knowingly give up on democracy. America is just another shithole country.

Right wing types have their own media. They don't read NYT or Washington Post. The media is not going to "educate" them into supporting Democrats. If they abandon "both sides" they'll cease to be media that anyone respects. Kind of like CNN today.

R211 Shut the fuck up about Nevada. It’s a Biden state. I moved here from California seven years ago. When I got here it was reddish purple. It went for Hillary. It now has two female Democratic senators and a Democratic governor. I worked the polls on election day. It was overwhelmingly voting Democratic. Stop with the bullshit about Nevada.

One thing I kept hearing last night but not a word this am: “No one has ever won the presidency without Ohio.”

r198 Stop making shit up.

1) Biden isn't an unknown.

2) Exit polls are totally unreliable in an election with this many mail/absentee ballots.

People tried to get these days to start processing ballots before election day r216. The Republican controlled state legislatures rejected that idea.

r220 No REPUBLICAN has won the presidency w/o Ohio.

No REPUBLICAN has ever won the Presidency without Ohio. Democrats don't need it.

R220 There’s always a first time.

These states*

Defund The Police is a slogan without a strategy, borne out of rage and frustration. It was also a gift to the Trump's campaign.

As for Collins, the race hasn't been called yet but if she does win it will be because enough people in ME like her but at the same time can't tolerate Trump.

Your certainly welcome r196. It was fun I think they don’t feed us the numbers like that to keep us tuned in.

Don't forget Maine has ranked chance voting if Collins doesn't finish with 50%. You can't just look at the results.

Systematic racism is a term that is also a loser. I hope Biden never uses it again.

[Quote]Biden’s lead is now currently bigger than Trump’s final 2016 margin in both MI and WI and is projected to grow. Estimates are his PA lead will be bigger as well. If smaller margins were good enough for Trump to collapse the Blue Wall, larger ones certainly OK to rebuild it.

Trump could have won some of the states he did win as a result of Mail in ballots but Mail in ballots that look like they go against him are fraudulent?? He is shameless in his hypocrisy and an obvious charlatan.

Really trying to understand how to psychologically, spiritually and sociology we can cure these trumptards and fox news viewers. How does the healing begin and the racism, homophobic, sexist and xenophobic nature in their souls ends.

Maine senate race is up in the air and most likely will go into instant runoff, but the ranking choice means that the 3rd party votes will be reallocated to two instant run off candidates. How will that work?

Yeah, we have seen races “called” already that they had to backtrack on.

We need DOJ investigations of Fox News. "OMG censorship". Barr would do it if he could (and if he were on our side). Do it.

[quote]Systematic racism is a term that is also a loser.

Yes, it is because the expression is SYSTEMIC racism, not systematic.

No one has backtracked on a called race r236.

There was a lie started that Fox did for Arizona but they absolutely did not. And the AP called Arizona as well.

[quote] They gutted the Voting Rights Act, slowed the mail, intimidated voters, invested billions in disinformation, closed countless polling stations in Dem precincts and everyone is running around saying, "How did Republicans get so many votes?!"

[quote] Florida isn't a red state. It's a "let's make sure it's very hard for black people to vote," state.

[quote] This is true in most red states. (Many blue ones too.)

[quote] Exit polls are totally unreliable in an election with this many mail/absentee ballots.

For exit polls this year, they not only interviewed people on election day but also interviewed people who voted early at the various sites and did phone interviews with a sample of early voters. Exit polling was supposed to be even more sophisticated and reliable this year than before.

I hate Faux News, but they have been good stewards of the election results r237.

Well, I've climbed off the chair & taken my head out of the noose based on recent news - for now, however, I was sad to see TX go to Dump. It sounds like they had record turn out & there was a touching story in the NYTimes about people who worked the night shift, fast food & working 2-3 jobs going to a 24 hr spot to vote that was very touching. These people (largely) appeared to be poor, but were busting their ass to exercise their rights. I'm sad it didn't go their way

They made attempts r241, but given the massive vote by mail numbers no one really thinks exit polls could capture the electorate.

R243 Getting rid of Trump is the first step.

I think Fox News FCC license is under entertainment. They shouldn’t be allowed to call themselves news.

[quote]How does the healing begin and the racism, homophobic, sexist and xenophobic nature in their souls ends.

That's only your perception, darling. You've gulped the Kool-Aid, peddled by fools, that Trump voters are all those things you claim. It does them a grave disservice. Until you begin to understand their TRUE concerns (not the false ones peddled by a shrill media), you'll never make a single dent.

Don’t be sad about Texas. But it is now a battleground state. In a few more election cycles it will be blue.

Ezra Klein makes the same observation I did.

[Quote]I've thought this for a bit: The key question isn't whether Trump contests the election results, but whether Fox News contests the election results. And so far, they're not.

but it is seriously weird that votes from mails are for Biden?

but it is seriously weird that votes from mails are for Biden?

Has there been any news about voter intimidation? Did any of Trump's goons show up at polling places?

Dump already did what he had to do. He won in 2016, and packed SCOTUS. Next week, the ACA will hang in the balance, and dump's appointees will seal its fate. And if they do rule the ACA is unconstitutional, imagine the hill Joe and Dems will have to climb to get something passed in McConnell's Senate? We should have had this turnout in 2016.

R242, their election decision desk is separate from their news desk. It's always praised for its independence. Like WSJ's news vs. editorial sections.

R250, no, Boris.

Yes. The important election was 2016 and there is no going back to fix it r253.

But removing Trump from the White House is still a huge win.

[quote]their election decision desk is separate from their news desk.

Remember that in 2012 they defended their call of Ohio for Obama when Karl Rove tried to claim otherwise.

R251 Nope. Biden's voters didn't want to be part of the lines / crowds at polling places at least in Wisconsin. We were in the midst of experiencing another huge Covid outbreak so chose to vote early and use drop boxes at government offices.

r251, no it isn't. More democrats vote by mail and early. Republicans vote the same day as the election.

That seems to be the trend. It's certainly Trump's thinking because he is trying to suppress the mail ballots. I said to my family, wait what if those are his votes. The percentage for Trump are so low that it's worth it to him to try to suppress those votes.

[quote] [R183] is part of the problem. Why can’t we talk about the elephant in the room. I voted Blue but I knew the Biden/Harris ticket was nowhere near as strong as the media made it out to be. I wish we could discuss why the Democratic Party is where it’s at. But we can’t because we get persecuted if we don’t pretend everything is a 100% perfect and wonderful.

You bring to the fore a great question, R100.

Instead of insightful discussion, rabid posters attack when anything that could potentially be construed as negative appears regarding the Dem ticket.

I also noticed that posters (and others) would bat away criticisms or concerns regarding Biden/Harris: whether polling results or threads involving aspects of their platform or personalities.

I recall early on in the primary, a thread was begun that asked for thoughts regarding Joe’s age and fitness for 4 years of office.

Several DLers began personally attacking with such a vehemence and vengeance, that it was truly cultish.

Certainly the right can brainwash their constituents, but it is shocking to see that the left “thinking person’s party” become zombies to a cult of worship.

I voted straight Dem, but believe it is EVERY constituent’s right to question their leader(s).

Otherwise we lose self-empowerment and sovereignty.

My surprise comes from months of PA understanding that it would have an unprecedented number of mail-in ballots, that the count couldn't start until election day and no provision made to significantly ramp up the vote-counting apparatus.

I'm old enough when being a bleeding heart liberal was a thing and I was called one starting around high school. Now it's woke this and that. I hate to admit it and I don't know what the solution is but yeah, the BLM stuff, the courting of every tiny demo group doesn't help the Democrats and actually hurts them with swing and central voters. I'm Asian American and even I cringe a little when I hear lectures about how evil white men are. It has to be a turnoff at some point. We obviously have a racism problem in this country but the looting, the demands for instantaneous change, etc, it doesn't help in building a consensus. Maybe it's a chasm we will never be able to bridge.

I'm in DC and you hear defund the police, all cops are bastards, etc and then you have more violence in black communities and victims and their families crying that they are not being protected. It's not that we have to tolerate awful policing in return for protection but you can't fucking scream defund the police and ACAB and then expect services as if the former doesn't have consequences. Lose the slogans and revolutionary posturing and do the boring stuff; vote, engage in dialogue, run for office, file lawsuits, etc.

They backtracked on Collins in Maine. She was called a projected winner and turned back into a leader. That was Fox News online and MSNBC.

I didn't know anything about Arizona.

[quote]Instead of insightful discussion, rabid posters attack when anything that could potentially be construed as negative appears regarding the Dem ticket.

That's mostly because so little of that supposed "insightful discussion" is either insightful or a discussion, r260. Instead, what you get, as we've seen on this thread, is mostly of the form, "Here's something I personally don't like and I'm going to pretend that's why the race is so close even though I have absolutely no data at all to confirm that."

Weirdly, the Fox decision desk has been kept pure-ish. It’s the last vestige of fact in that shithole of lies and the one thing that allows them some prestige. It’s pretty clear Murdoch or someone protects it.

[quote] 'm Asian American and even I cringe a little when I hear lectures about how evil white men are. It has to be a turnoff at some point.

Same, and I agree with the latter part.

[Quote] that it was truly cultish.

Not cultish enough.

Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Georgia, and the Maine second congressional district aren't going to matter. Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, and the statewide vote in Maine (two EC votes) will take Biden to 276. Anything beyond those is gravy.

Also, the Arizona senate seat is obviously switching, Michigan should hold with the overall state, and North Carolina is almost certainly not switching since the state didn't. There is also no way that Alaska is switching and having the senate race go blue but not the state. That still leaves the Democratic pickup as net one with Maine and the two Georgia races to go. If Collins holds on, she would be the only one to be in the party that didn't also win the state, but it's certainly possible. That would mean that the Democrats would have to win both Georgia seats to tie the seats and there is no way that is going to happen, unfortunately. You know good and well Democrats aren't going to turn out in sufficient numbers in the special, run-off election in January.

[quote]imagine the hill Joe and Dems will have to climb to get something passed in McConnell's Senate?

Murkowski, Romney would probably support the Democrats in that case.

What happens to Kamala's Senate seat, should she become VP?

The Squad being reelected won't help us.

Gavin Newsom appoints a replacement r270. So many people want Kamala's Senate seat. We will see who he gives it to.

[quote]What happens to Kamala's Senate seat, should she become VP?

Gavin Newsom would appoint a replacement, presumably a Democrat. I'd like to see him put Katie Porter there.

[quote]Exit polls are totally unreliable in an election with this many mail/absentee ballots.

Polls are totally unreliable.

Next time you try to blame Latinos over the Florida fiasco: even if Miami-Dade Latinos had delivered Hillary-level numbers, Joe would have still lost the state. College-educated whites and seniors (who were supposed to deliver the victory) ALL underperformed at ~38% vs Hillary's ~41%.

All Joe's campaign had to do was enlist Hillary strategists and Chuck Rocha (you may not like Bernie, but Rocha delivered HUGE numbers). Who did they hire instead as one of their key Florida strategists? Ana Navarro, a freaking Never Trumper Republican.

What does that even mean, R271?

[quote]They backtracked on Collins in Maine. She was called a projected winner and turned back into a leader. That was Fox News online and MSNBC.

Hey, I woke up to good news!

There’s a lot of reflection - and clarity - on who the fuck America is.

Well, America is Joe Biden AND Donald Trump. 2016 was no aberration.

It’s fucking horrible, embarrassing, and depressing.

We’re fighting a war - not just a battle - for decency and normalcy. Restoring that in the WH is truly only the beginning of a long and hard journey.

So eventually the analysis of the failure of the polls will need to understand there is NO SHY TRUMP voter... secretly voting for the racist. All the Senate and House races that were also wrong is evidence that there is something flawed with current polling methodology.

Miami-Dade Cuban American voters explained:

South Florida Cubans, who are amongst the biggest enrollees and beneficiaries of the Affordable Care Act per capita, anywhere in all the United States, voted en masse for the man whose stated goal is to destroy and eliminate the ACA.

R278 Upon reflection..... America tests positive for fascism.

[quote] How does the healing begin and the racism, homophobic, sexist and xenophobic nature in their souls ends.

[quote] That's only your perception, darling. You've gulped the Kool-Aid, peddled by fools, that Trump voters are all those things you claim. It does them a grave disservice. Until you begin to understand their TRUE concerns (not the false ones peddled by a shrill media), you'll never make a single dent.

Not the poster who posted the first statement, but am intrigued, R247.

Since you seem to know about TRUE concerns of Trump voters, do enlighten us, o so very wise one.....

R280 And so the "explanation" from that is what? Cubanos bien locos?

[quote]I think Fox News FCC license is under entertainment. They shouldn’t be allowed to call themselves news.

Here we go again with this nonsense. The FCC does not regulate cable stations. They don't have a "license" for news, entertainment, or anything else.

Stop getting your information from Facebook and Twitter and learn to think.

R280, note average Cuban IQ: 85.

Joe Biden is on track to win popular vote by a very large margin. Most Americans aren't with Trump, but the state based design of our government gives them inflated power r278.

Trump never had a chance of getting more votes than Biden. Remember that.

Please — CITE YOUR SOURCE WHORES.

[quote] I wish we could discuss why the Democratic Party is where it’s at.

You didn't want to "discuss why the Democratic Party is where it's at," you don't even define what that means. And what you said the first time is that Biden's campaign was weak because YOU didn't know what his positions were.

It's a tired troll argument and the problem isn't that someone pointed it out, the problem is that you and others like you keep bringing up weird, vague, trollish arguments and then sobbing like children when someone dismisses those vague arguments.

I'm listening to this as I fall asleep after I binge today.

[quote]Trump never had a chance of getting more votes than Biden. Remember that.

What I'll remember is the unconscionable number of people who did vote for him.

Never Trumpers did fuck all and that includes the Lincoln Project. More feel good shit for Democrats and progressives to watch the videos but at the end of the day, what did we get? I don't believe they impacted any of the Senate races. The Democrats who won, won handily and would have even if the LP never existed. And for all the LP targeting of Graham, Ernst and Collins, they got exactly zero results. That supposed Republican change to push Biden and the senate to decisive victory was tiny or non-existent. MORE people voted for Trump in 2020 than in 2016.

r260 after we win or lose this race it's a great time to have that discussion, but man progressives and liberals wanted to have that conversation in the middle of the damn election after the Primary. No, you hunker down and make the best of the situation until the election is over. We are now counting ballots, you are free to start that discussion.

R288 see R260.

[quote]All the Senate and House races that were also wrong is evidence that there is something flawed with current polling methodology.

It's more likely there's something wrong with VOTING.

Voter suppression across the board would explain a lot of this. I think we've got a huge GOP suppression problem across the country, not just in key states.

Is there a site to see which precincts these states like GA and WI we're waiting for?

What is the deal with AZ

I’m not going to trust anyone’s “estimates” but the actual numbers. Election PTSD is real.

R293, R260 isn't talking about what the Democratic Party did. He's talking about what leftists and liberals have been working for, that's not the same as the Democratic Party, and I don't engage with people who purposely equate leftist activism with Democratic Party policy. That's trolling.

What deal? AZ was called hours ago.

The electoral college is our problem. The electoral college turns any close election into a total shitshow. Right now, Biden is winning the popular vote by 2 points, and that lead will grow. Granted, it shouldn't be that close, but it's still a clear victory. The real news is that the Democrats are now consistently winning the popular vote in every single presidential election (every one since 1992, except for 2004, and Bush beat Kerry in 2004 by only 2 points). If it weren't for the fucking electoral college, that would be the big story -- that the Democrats are unstoppable. But the electoral college creates the myth that the Republicans are on the rise. I can't believe how many people honestly believe that Trump trounced Hillary in 2016 and that voters "rejected" Hillary, even though she got 3 million more votes than him.

R296, turns out there's 14% of the ballots left to count, not just 2%.

R262 Is Trash!

You people do not gave the history African Americans have had in America. Black people have always had a raw deal here.

But just like whites, you choose to be dismissive. But asians are crying now about how people blame them for COVID-19.

I've always said, Asians are problematic along with Cubans. No history here, but you can talk down to blacks about their experiences in America.

R299, see R301 -- there was an error in which districts were reported, apparently, so now Arizona has 14% left to count.

It's one of the many strange things that's happened with voting reporting since last night.

R300, but given that the Electoral College will never be eliminated, shouldn't we tailor our approach to the reality of its effects on the electoral landscape?

Even with 84% reporting in AZ, AP is still calling it for Biden.

Biden has won more votes than any other presidential candidate in history.

The antiquated EC is the shit stirrer as usual

[quote] No history here

No history? Buillshit, R302. We're just not bitching and moaning about it all the time. Maybe that's why you don't know about our history here.

United States of the Pacific. Washington, Oregon, California. #Calexit

AZ is stressing me out. I feel like when Democrats win it's either a blowout or nothing. Considering the wait time I'm losing faith again.

Trumpsters must really be riled up if they're digging up the old Calexit scam again.

FUCK ME, JOHN KING

[quote] I can't believe how many people honestly believe that Trump trounced Hillary in 2016 and that voters "rejected" Hillary, even though she got 3 million more votes than him.

They know she got more than 3 million votes in California, but they consider that state a lost cause and so look at the total of the other 49.

[quote] but given that the Electoral College will never be eliminated, shouldn't we tailor our approach to the reality of its effects on the electoral landscape?

Yes, of course we should. And we do. And Biden did. But the electoral college has really fucked up presidential elections.

Dems need a new gimmick: I say war, started right before each election (as long as we're in power).

[quote] [R260] after we win or lose this race it's a great time to have that discussion, but man progressives and liberals wanted to have that conversation in the middle of the damn election after the Primary. No, you hunker down and make the best of the situation until the election is over. We are now counting ballots, you are free to start that discussion.

Incorrect, R292. A thread that I wrote about involved Joe during the primary. That is “a conversation to have”.

Don’t buy the lock-step Naziism of “hunkering down” with ANY candidate.

The system is broken if we have to continually support/defend less than evil versus evil.

How did DL fave Conor Lamb do?

[QUOTE] Even with 84% reporting in AZ, AP is still calling it for Biden.

Joe Biden won Arizona. I don’t know why folks are sweating in here. It’s a done deal.

Fuck 2016, I'm worried about the here and now. In this reality, Trump's support increased and we might not have taken AZ.

[quote] The system is broken if we have to continually support/defend less than evil versus evil.

Duh. The system is broken. We have an irreparably broken system. It requires any party that wants to win to march in lockstep when election season starts.

The Arizona error is an unexpected wrinkle, but looking at where these extra votes that still have to be counted are from I still feel good about it.

The sky isn't falling yet.

R307 Bitch! African Americans sit very prominently all throughout American history. Asians can't say the same.

Why are you all so muted in American history?

Wrong link

[quote] Why are you all so muted in American history?

Cunt, because we don't bitch and moan. Because we accept existing power dynamics and flow like water along their contours.

Has the stock market tanked yet? Wall Street won't be happy. And neither will retirees.

[quote]Don’t buy the lock-step Naziism of “hunkering down” with ANY candidate.

Yeah, THAT'S what Nazism is, sure.

I just got up 45) minutes ago and my bestie had replied to my 3am comment something about this being because bernie wasn't the candidate. I told her her its because crazy mcfuckface blah blah and she really needs to stfu about bernie.

she may have been joking. I however was not.

Trump is absolutely right about equating COVID-19 to Asians! They are absolutely the source for the disaster 2020 has been.

With that being said, Fuck Trump!

[quote] The Democrats who won, won handily and would have even if the LP never existed. And for all the LP targeting of Graham, Ernst and Collins, they got exactly zero results.

The grifters at the Lincoln Project succeeded in taking in and using up cash that could have been used effectively by Democratic groups, so there’s that.

I hope if Biden wins, Nina Turner gets a spot in the Biden administration.

Bernie too!

MI update, Biden ahead:

MI Presidential Election Results

Biden (D): 50% (2,578,854 votes)

Trump (R): 49% (2,545,142 votes)

Estimated: > 95% votes in

Guys I can perfectly see a tie. I don’t think Trump is getting Pennsylvania. That would let us with a tie. We are not going to know who the president is for a while.

Anyway, that would mean a victory for Biden, politicians in the Congress will support him.

R327, triggered because you lost the argument about Asians in America? It's an IQ thing. Think about it.

Why would Biden appoint 2 total failures to his administration, troll at R332?

There is no chance of a tie because the 1 EV of NE-02 has already been won by Biden.

There is no mathematical way there can be a tie.

[quote]Nina Turner gets a spot in the Biden administration. Bernie too!

Nina Turner is an anti-Semite, no?

^ Oops, I meant R329. Something weird happened with the reply numbers.

r295 - Fox news election tracker (google it) lets you drill down.

Ill post the link, don't know if it will work.

Uh r331, you should check your math.

R331 can't do the maths.

There is no possibility of a tie at this point.

[quote] [R293], [R260] isn't talking about what the Democratic Party did. He's talking about what leftists and liberals have been working for, that's not the same as the Democratic Party, and I don't engage with people who purposely equate leftist activism with Democratic Party policy. That's trolling.

Disagree R297.

Not sure about your single-minded definition of the Democratic Party. Liberals? Leftists? What?

Methinks you just might be the troll for calling out anyone that doesn’t adhere to Groupthink.

You are reminding me of all the rabid MAGAts at Trump rallies.

I cannot even believe democrats did not win the senate. After ALL that. A billion dollars. How embarrassing.

Notice how the media called swing states quickly for Trump, but wait & wait to call for Biden.

Oh, YOU wrote it r315? Let me scurry to find it.

R338 R339 sorry I’m not American and apparently I’m not widely aware of your politic system. Can someone please explain to me why there’s no possibility of a tie at this point? I did the maths!

So many 2018 freshmen lost. Joe Cunningham :(

There’s something very, very wrong with the Democratic Party.

This thread is teeming with KGB/GOP trolls. Why can’t Muriel tag each post with the country of the IP address of the poster?

Gary Peters :(

Hot daddies lost their seat last night.

R332 No it's about dismissing other people's struggles that was imposed upon them, by a system that has been levied against black people in north America since 1526.

The grievances are legitimate.

Sure you did, R344. Show us your math: what is the combo of outstanding states that leads to a tie?

I hope every pollster got their pink slips this morning. Those people need to brought in front of a public court to explain themselves.

[quote]Biden’s lead is now currently bigger than Trump’s final 2016 margin in both MI and WI and is projected to grow. Estimates are his PA lead will be bigger as well. If smaller margins were good enough for Trump to collapse the Blue Wall, larger ones certainly OK to rebuild it.

You must not be accounting for NE-02 r344.

Nevada, Wisconsin and Michigan gets Biden to 270 even if he loses everything else.

R326 Bernie would have been TROUNCED with all his “socialism” and “welfare ideas”. We need to wake up to the new reality of what this country stands for.

R344 probably just did the math with the EVs, not with current outstanding EVs.

Here are the details on a contingent election if there's a 269-269 tie. However, we have two areas with 1 electoral vote each, ME-02 and NE-02, and with them called for Biden, it's not mathematically possible for a 269-269 tie.

Biden can get 270 but once he does, he's won.

Will the election be called today after all?

Oh God, now everyone who has a different opinion is a KGB/GOP troll. This election will be decided when all the votes are counted. People can tolerate differing viewpoints SINCE IT WILL NO LONGER EFFECT THE ELECTION.

i did put Fox on this morning and they seem calm and measured. I don't sense they want a Civll War if Trump loses.

[Quote] How did DL fave Conor Lamb do?

Sean Parnell is currently leading Conor Lamb with 78% of votes in.

BIG NEWS

Wisconsin Elections Commission Administrator says on @NBCNews: “All of the ballots have been counted.” Joe Biden has won Wisconsin by 20,697 votes.

Maybe the pools were right. That is more plausible to me. And that the rural, red state counties were padded.

We shall see.

How did Susan Collins win? It just doesn’t make any sense. Something is up

Dems will have the smallest house majority in 20 years. What a disaster. America is done.

Omg seriously, Biden was ALWAYS the best and only choice, we would have actually been fucked with Bernie. I mean Christ, I was a Pete supporter during the primaries and I’m almost embarrassed at myself for the delusion. (Still love Pete though).

Nice R359, glad to have it official.

Still kind of shocked at how many "Wisconsin is lost" trolls we had in the overnight hours, all of whom disappeared as soon as Biden took the lead. It was pretty bad. Seems like a weird thing to troll about, since votes were already in. What was that even accomplishing?

Those people need to brought in front of a public court to explain themselves.

I was thinking maybe put them in the stocks

Democrats need to go ahead and start their ground game convincing people to vote for them for 2024. They need to start that now!

It's never to early and they need to be quiet about it. A silent sneak attack on the Republicans in 2024.

Democrats have to get better a politics if their going to win elections.

R355 Aww thank you. I didn’t know that.

So it’s done, why are you all so worried? Pennsylvania really doesn’t matter if he gets Michigan, Wisconsin and Nevada. And he is getting them.

Fuck 2024. We need to focus on 2022 and getting the senate. Last night was a disaster. The fact that Susan Collins is going to win breaks my soul. That should not have happened.

Has AP called Wi yet?

I know a lot of people wanted a blowout and to laugh in the face of Trump tears, but 270 is a win and I will take it. I don't need a landslide, I just need Trump gone.

R360, I've been wondering about red state numbers ever since I saw the Kansas numbers reported by AP. Trump got 60K more votes than in 2016 but Biden got 110K more votes than Clinton did in 2016. That's a HUGE increase in Democratic votes in a reliably red state. Just seemed really odd.

Amen, R370.

I'm looking forward to not being pissed about something every day like I have been for the past four years.

Deport all Hispanics. Texas wasn’t even close because of them. Where’s Beto today? We are all suckers for thinking we had a chance in all those states.

Let’s go ICE! Start working.

BREAKING Wisconsin Elections Commission Administrator says on @NBCNews: “All of the ballots have been counted.” Joe Biden has won Wisconsin by 20,697 votes.

R262 I agree. And here are a few other things that scare people away from the Democratic Party. Talk of free college for everyone and reparations for black people (which cleared the first hurdle in California, I believe.) I'm a lifelong Democrat and part of a historically discriminated against minority. I do not feel I owe another minority money out of my pocket or a free college degree in anything one might fancy. I still voted for Biden because Trump is despicable, but I'm hoping these extremely liberal policies do not come to pass.

I'm pissed that Kendra Horn lost her seat in OK. Constant negative TV and streaming ads pitching her as best friends of Pelosi from a well, well funded opponent.

I can't believe how bright red this stupid state is.

Chuck Schumer needs to resign. What a dope.

WaPo reports "almost all" votes counted in MI. Biden wins by 34K votes.

Well, it looks like it'll be official soon, and dump can move to Florida and finish his lifelong journey of turning into the sun.

Run through that fucking tape.

sorry... are back to winning this again?

[quote]I still voted for Biden because Trump is despicable, but I'm hoping these extremely liberal policies do not come to pass.

This is not the thread for this, Concerned Lifelong Democrat at R376.

WI is called for Biden, MI looks like it's about to be.

That's all Biden needs, isn't it? He'd be at 270 exactly with that, if I'm doing the math right.

I really don’t understand all the support Trump has, I think people that usually don’t vote like rednecks and hillbillies have been voting him like no other republican politician. Because they think they are similar (lol) and probably think that the rest of politicians are stuck up bitches, when the only real difference is the education. Lots of country people despite educated and well mannered people, doesn’t matter the party. I have heard that some republican people are not voting for Trump, so it really has to be them.

Is Georgia still in play?:

It’s near certain Biden gets to 270. What happens after that is anyone’s guess. I know I will never again spend one second of my time reading a poll. Nate silver should be brought in front on congress to explain himself. He’s finished.

Doesn’t Nevada still need to be called? That’s 270.

[quote]That's all Biden needs, isn't it?

Arizona and Nevada haven't been officially called yet. Biden will probably pull them out, thereby winning the vote, but it's not set yet.

GA urban ballots still need to be counted too.

Georgia is still in play but I don't think we've had any new numbers since last night.

Will Nevada go for Biden though?

I don't understand why people are coming for Nate. Nate doesn't conduct the polls, he just aggregates them and interprets them.

Okay, so we're waiting for MI, AZ and NV, all of which look to be mostly counted and in Biden's column.

Nine million dollars from out of state was brought into the state for that election, r377. I cried during Kendra's speech last night. Bice will definitely become a DL Fave to hate.

Apparently the Biden campaign isn't expecting NV to be announced until tomorrow, but I can't find out why exactly.

Hi fellow Okie at 395. I'm so sick of living here...

Hmm, did I miss this being talked about earlier? Nevada says it's too close to call so they won't be releasing any more numbers until tomorrow? That's weird.

Jaime Harrison should be in HIDING today after blowing 100 million to not even get close. He should be ashamed of himself for spending so much money.

Because Nevada said they don't plan on updating their vote count til tommorow, so sadly it is unlikely we get an official call of 270 today r396.

[quote]There’s something very, very wrong with the Democratic Party.

No, there's something very, very wrong with half the American populace.

Don't be FOOLS! CHEATING is everywhere in this election.

We now know that 27% of the South Florida vote didn't even get delivered--so who know what the true vote total is in FL

WI was called? For sure? By whom?

^ Yeah, heads need to roll over that

I finally turned CNN back on again — they still haven’t fucking called AZ? AP called it like 10 years ago.

The Russians are involved. There’s just no way the night went so poorly when every single metric we have said that dems across the board would do better. Something is rotten in Denmark.

[quote] I still voted for Biden because Trump is despicable, but I'm hoping these extremely liberal policies do not come to pass.

Me too. The Equality Act needs to be looked at more closely.

It's probably not anything to worry about in Nevada, probably more likely they want to be the state known as giving Biden the win, but not knowing until tomorrow is still very odd to me.

R407, if the Russians are fucking with the votes, a Biden admin better investigate fully. We need to know.

[quote] So eventually the analysis of the failure of the polls will need to understand there is NO SHY TRUMP voter... secretly voting for the racist.

I believe the opposite. Trump has outperformed all of the polls. Biden has not. Trump's popular vote count will eventually be about what Obama got in 2008. That is alot of fucking racists. He is not a normal candidate -- he is the worst human being ever given a national platform and has visited catastrophic injury to our country's values, security, economy and well-being -- and he has @69 million enthusiastic supporters in the U.S.

This is who we are now.

R374 How exactly do you plan on deporting citizens (the Latinos who can vote), you pathetic deplorable-adjacent?

You seem to forget it is Latinos who are delivering Nevada and Arizona.

I have never been angrier. I’m dealing with an issue with my cell account, I shouted at rep at top of my lungs.

Opinion

2020 Should Be the Last Time We Vote Like This

Turnout was inspiring, but our voting system is badly flawed.

By Farhad Manjoo

Opinion Columnist

Nov. 4, 2020

Now that the ballots have been cast and we wait to see whose will be counted and whose will be ignored, can we please take a moment to acknowledge what a huge mess this whole thing has been?

I don’t mean the big things — the absurd twists in the ugly, never-ending, pandemic-blurred, possibly world-ending presidential election of 2020. No, I’m referring to the smallest, most particular act of this saga: the way we voted. The process of registering your democratic preference, the citizen’s core duty in a democracy. Can we take a moment to acknowledge how terribly inefficient, inaccessible, unfair and just plain backward this process remains in the United States?

When all the tallying is done, up to an estimated 160 million Americans will have voted this year — a turnout of about 67 percent of eligible voters. That would be a modern record, and given that it occurred as the coronavirus raged, the casting and counting of all those votes should be regarded as an achievement for the United States’ election system.

But that’s not a very high bar, and the biggest problem about how America conducts its elections is that we have been too tolerant, for too long, of a bar set way too low.

High turnout notwithstanding, the glaring lesson of this year’s election is that we cannot go on this way. From the endless lines to the pre-election legal wrangling to the president’s constant effort to undermine the process, every ballot cast this year was a leap of faith: Would it get there in time? Would it get there at all? Would they try to toss it out because you voted from a car? Would they throw it out because you signed your name carelessly? Would judges be called upon to alter the mail-in deadline after the election had already begun? Would you ever be able to find the one dropbox in your sprawling county? And, after all that, would anyone believe the count, anyway?

All of this uncertainty is unworthy of the world’s “oldest democracy.” American elections are broken, and because the legitimacy of the entire political system rests upon our votes, their brokenness mars every other part of our democracy.

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R408 OMG why?

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Fixing how we vote isn’t a mystery. Experts have recommended several specific measures that could greatly expand the franchise, including federal measures to make registration easier, expand early voting and ensure we have adequate resources at polling locations to prevent long lines.

The difficulty is, instead, political. For decades, limiting who gets to vote has been a key strategy of the Republican Party — though usually people on the right have not been quite so proud of this fact. This year, as has happened often with Donald Trump, subtext became text. In the weeks before Election Day, Trump all but boasted about the role that voter intimidation and suppression would play in his campaign.

“We’re watching you, Philadelphia,” Trump warned in Pennsylvania last week, suggesting something untoward going on with the vote in a city highly unfavorable to his candidacy. “We’re watching at the highest level.”

If Democrats win the presidency and the Senate, undoing the Republican bet on disenfranchisement ought to be among their highest priorities. One reason voting remains so onerous is that we rarely think about it except close to Election Day. The further out we get from the vote, the less urgency there is to fix things. But nothing else in a democracy works if voting doesn’t work. So, please, let’s fix voting first.

None of the problems we saw this year were new; inaccessibility, confusion, bureaucratic hoop-jumping and outright intimidation have long been hallmarks of American elections. Though politicians speak dreamily of the importance of voting, the United States badly lags other democracies on many measures of electoral success; in many countries, a turnout rate of about two-thirds wouldn’t rank as particularly extraordinary.

Voting in this country is also highly unequal. Compared with turnout among whites, turnout among people of color is often lower. It’s hard to argue this isn’t by design, a result of decades of deliberate disenfranchisement and the perpetuation, still, of voter suppression efforts aimed at people of color.

But the best way to appreciate the shortcomings in how we vote isn’t by looking at other countries. Instead, compare the act of voting to other modern services. Set against so many less important transactions in American life — ordering a complicated coffee from a national chain, or finding the best sushi place in a town you’ve never visited before — the simple act of casting a ballot is laughably antiquated.

Across much of the country, registering to vote is a labyrinth. In most states, if you haven’t remembered to register by Election Day, you’re too late. Not that you’d necessarily know about it. In between elections, it’s become common for states to “purge” voter rolls of people deemed ineligible, a process that many voters only learn about when they show up at the polls and are denied the chance to vote.

The system is also fragmented and underfunded, and it suffers from misaligned incentives. In many countries, elections are administered by nonpartisan agencies that set rules for the entire nation. In the United States, elections are often run by elected officials — Republican or Democratic secretaries of state, for instance — and rules about who gets to vote and how they do so differ from state to state.

Because states and the federal government do not sufficiently fund the voting system, it is often unable to meet anything more than ordinary demand. In the last few weeks, Americans in many cities have waited hours for the chance to vote, which is both inspiring and a really terrible comment on the state of our democracy.

As Amanda Mull noted recently in The Atlantic, in 2020 the act of voting was elevated to that most sacrosanct place in American society — it became feel-good marketing for brands. This year it felt as if just about every brand in America turned giddy about the democratic process. Retailers and fashion designers and restaurant chains couldn’t stop reminding us to “Vote!”

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But the embrace of voting as a way to project corporate virtue only highlights how little the government has done to promote this supposedly precious democratic act. “As long as America’s leaders decline to make the system-wide changes that would help more people vote, corporations with something to sell will seep into the void,” Mull wrote.

She’s right, and it’s terrible. Voting shouldn’t be this difficult or this uncertain. We know what needs to be done to improve the process. And we shouldn’t wait until another election to get it done.

Exactly R178, and I think a whole lot of cheating and suppression went on in Florida, too.

We can finally call Florida a red state. Unless we deport all the Cubans, which we should, Democrats will never win there again.

This will take all week?

Stop slamming candidates and the Dem party. The media is pushing their expected narratives regardless of facts. We don't have the totals yet. There is still massive voter suppression and very possible interference. The USPS is not delivering ballots. We won't know the "real" picture about how this election turned out for a few weeks, and even then the media won't correct their narrative. And we won't ever know the truth without some in-depth investigations.

Remember how 2016 was supposedly about "economic insecurity" and then it turned out Hillary won the working class vote? And the blue wave of 2018 was initially regarded as a failure until the votes were actually counted. Stop falling for takes and wait for actual facts.

Kind of sick of all the op eds. The people who need to read them don't. It's just masturbation.

Wisconsin - Biden seems to have won by 20,000 votes. I guess there'll be a painstaking recount.

I anticipate this to last until 2028-2030 or [bold]by second coming of Christ, r161..

Biden should be officially projected as winner tommorow r420.

Looks like Georgia has about 250,000 votes left to count and the state is urging all counties to get to them today.

The deck is SO stacked against us. We need a new coalition. Lincoln Project helped a little, but the bottom line is we are NOT winning the “info wars”. Think about how long that Info War site has existed, they’ve understood this for decades.

The country will be a pile of ash by Friday. Trump is already screaming fraud.

The USPS - news out about how little they processed. 300,000 missing ballots, etc. MSNBC last hour w/ Craig Melvin towards the end.

[quote]Stop slamming candidates and the Dem party.

The reason a lot of people are slamming the Dems right now is because it's all over but the shoutin' as far as the election goes. Biden is going to win, we're just waiting for it to be official, and then it'll be Trump pitching fits and filing lawsuits.

The Datalounge Democratic Party Hater Brigade has to have SOMETHING bad to say about Dems, so they're either complaining about how leftist they are or how awful Kamala is.

[quote] she really needs to stfu about bernie.

I keep telling my partner the same thing. Bernie would have been a disastrous nominee.

I love how all of the trolls gloating about Trump's win mysteriously disappeared!

I'm surprised Wisconsin hasn't been called by networks given the announcement from their Elections commissioner. Wonder what networks are waiting on.

[quote]The USPS - news out about how little they processed.

Hi, r397. I think the state's politics are shit, but I like living here. I think that if certain issues were left to a statewide vote, we could be a more progressive state. But the folks who get elected are all talk, and don't do anything that actually reflects us as a state. I mean, we voted to expand Medicaid, and legalize medical marijuana.

Also, I know he's a rethug, but the new OK county sheriff, Tommie Johnson, is smoking hot lol.

You're making the Democrats sound like the CCP, r430 - no criticism is permitted, any voice raised against the party hierarchy is treasonous and must be exterminated.

On Fox Business, former GOP Rep. Sean Duffy says "there's no way" Trump can overcome his current deficit in Wisconsin, and Biden is going to win the state.

But if Biden is elected, HE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING with a Republican senate!

Oh wait, except reverse a lot of Trump executive orders, fix tariffs, and negotiate trade and climate deals.

Okey-dokey.

Where the fuck is Don Lemon??

Nothing in this country changes while Fox News and Facebook exist. I'll bet anything that we'll find out Republicans got all those House seats because white women started believing all that QAnon bullshit on Facebook.

R438, exactly. The executive has vast powers. Truly.

R432, they're busy starting threads about Blacks loving Trump, Hispanics loving Trump, LGBTQ loving Trump, etc. They want us to feel terrible about how awful America is and "this is you, you're a Trump country, own it," and how Biden won't be able to do anything because of the Senate, etc. etc.

Despair and negativity are HUGE disinformation weapons, and they're being pulled out all over social media this morning, here included.

R437 omg love that

Duffy is a partisan piece of shit so for him to admit that is key

If Biden wins I believe he will be able to work with Republicans much better than Obama because so many of them know and like Joe.

So Trump team sees their only path to victory as Arizona being called incorrectly. Which I guess that is the only thing they can hope for at this point.

[Quote]From working phones - Multiple sources close to President Trump believe they have at least one clear but complicated path to re- election. Sources say Trump would need to hold Pennsylvania, Georgia and pull off a win in Arizona but admit it is tough to me & @KFaulders

[quote]But if Biden is elected, HE WON'T BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING with a Republican senate! Oh wait, except reverse a lot of Trump executive orders, fix tariffs, and negotiate trade and climate deals.

Right, and also staff departments that Trump gutted, and he's got the competence and experience to be able to start giving McConnell a tough time. Biden will have a good team and they'll come up with some decent ideas to get the Senate to actually do some work for once.

Biden isn't going to fix everything but only trolls and the naive ever claimed he could.

[quote] No, there's something very, very wrong with half the American populace.

Here’s one take on it, R401.

[quote] The 2016 result was maybe not an upset. Maybe Trump’s personal lack of self awareness is a reflection of Americans’ lack of self awareness as a nation.

[quote] Biden can get 270 but once he does, he's won.

So only one faithless elector would throw it to the House?

So AZ, NV, WI now look good. Right?

It's up to MI?

Don Lemon is on vacation.

R302, yup, carry on then. It's working so well so far. How's that for dismissive?

R448, looks like. Glad we have the House.

Andrea Mitchell looks like she has been up all week.

Positive thoughts.

If Biden wins but Mitch keeps the Senate, there will be ways.

Hello, Unified Executive doctrine.

If Mitch doesn't confirm cabinet officials, hello interim appointments. If Mitch sends subpoenas, hello 'back to sender'. Unleash DoJ to investigate all the bastards. Task Kamala to deal with the under-the-belt stuff, and keep Joe as the administration's face who glad-handles Congressmen. Play good cop-bad cop.

Get a first rate communications attack dog team and lay everything at Mitch's feet. If SCOTUS nixes Obamacare and Mitch doesn't do shit, criss-cross the country to talk to people what happened and who's to blame. If Trump can have rallies all term long, so can the Dems. They have to get nasty.

Trump is actually under-performing in comparison to several Senate races, where GOP Senate candidates are doing better than Trump is.

That means Republicans voted for Repug Senators and either didn't vote for president at all, or they voted for Biden.

Chart from WaPo:

David Plouffe said "crap-ton" on Andrea's show lol.

Ah, so the networks won't call Wisconsin because it is within 1 point and they have a policy not to call anything in recount range.

Ah, so the networks won't call Wisconsin because it is within 1 point and they have a policy not to call anything in recount range.

The 3 states are leaning towards Joe, giving him the last 32 needed.

Can someone please explain these small districts which award points to? Do they exist in the event of a tie? How were their locations decided?

[quote] I really don’t understand all the support Trump has

Let’s start with where you get your news from and who the circle of people you discuss politics with and maybe we can help you figure out why.

[quote]Get a first rate communications attack dog team and lay everything at Mitch's feet.

God yes, the best thing the Democrats can do is push the fact that McConnell has hundreds of bills on his desk that his lazy ass just doesn't want to deal with.

I'm utterly disgusted with AmeriKKKa and how close this stupid race is. Pathetic that Trump:

-can be impeached

-be under multiple criminal investigations

-be a bigot

-attack doctors, science and truth

-intentionally mishandle a pandemic

-not release his taxes TWICE

-be in debt by millions to lots of foreign donors

and still get reelected

AmeriKKKa is officially trash and we deserve to get left behind internationally

I cannot believe no matter what happens, Trump will have gained more votes than 4 years ago

[quote] Well, I've climbed off the chair & taken my head out of the noose based on recent news -

Uh oh. I think you need to reverse that order.

Nebraska and Maine decided to split their electoral votes by congressional district rather than winner take all r460.

Biden won the 2nd district of Nebraska, so he gets a point out of the state.

R460, you mean ME-02 and NE-02?

[quote]Maine and Nebraska are the only states in the nation that split their Electoral College votes. Maine awards two of its four electoral votes to the statewide winner, but also allocates an electoral vote to the popular vote winner in each of its two congressional districts. Nebraska gives two of its five electoral votes to the statewide winner, with the remaining three going to the popular vote winner in each of its three congressional districts.

R463 is exactly what I was talking about at R442. Too obvious.

I need to know what the millennial turnout was like.

Did more of them in battleground states vote? Did the whites go for Trump and repubs like their parents and grandparents?

what the fuck happened with those "white women suburb votes"?

Socrates warned us about this. A "birthright democracy" where every single adult citizen can cast a vote regardless of education is unsustainable and will eventually lead to chaos and demagoguery. Things will only get worse with the advent of social media and conspiracy theories. His solution is an "intellectual democracy".

CHEATING ON EVERY LEVEL!

R467 you've got to be kidding. You don't think it's pathetic that the race is so close? Even if Biden wins and I hope he does, this is by no means a repudiation of Trumpism. The fact that repubs most likely have kept the senate is also proof of that

WI info - 100% in, Biden really seems to have won it. 20,000 votes, dear god.

Time for a constitutional convention.

R302, yup, trash, dismissive, you're spot on there. Just like the white men are evil mantra has worked out really with winning voters. Hey, things are working so well so far, why bother to bring up that maybe some approaches need to be ditched or modified.

Why is NV stopping their count for the day?

Has Trump slept in the last 4 days? He's about to keel over!

Don't really know, R475, they said it was because it was "too close to call" but that's not much of a reason.

[quote] Lots of country people despite educated and well mannered people, doesn’t matter the party. I have heard that some republican people are not voting for Trump, so it really has to be them.

Yes. Stupid, rude, racist Republican fucks used to think they had no choice but to vote for the cultured, mannered, respectable establishment Republican that the party nominated. But things have changed. You can chart the progression from George W. Bush to the choice of Sarah Palin as the VP nominee in 2008 to Trump. The stupid, rude, racist fucks now realize they can vote for someone who is as stupid, rude, and racist as they are. (even if it's someone like Trump who doesn't really have much in common with them) They don't actually care about politics at all. They don't give a shit about policy or issues or our country's standing in the world. Meanwhile, the more cultured, educated and respectable Republicans realized right away that Trump is a buffoon. That's why you have the Lincoln Project and the Never Trumpers.

The country is hopelessly divided, but it's not really a Republican vs. Democratic divide. It's an educated urban vs. uneducated rural divide. And unfortunately, the electoral college is designed to deliberately tilt the scales in favor of the latter.

R469 MANY OF HIS VOTERS ARE EDUCATED. This is where you all keep getting it wrong. He has many wealthy people voting for him. Many college grads.

Go to an Ivy League school, they back him more than Biden types.

I can say good things about the Dems. Lets say, particularly this election: Biden has indeed shaved (though only shaved) the straight white right-leaning religion-aligned man vote away from Trump. Convinced some that Trump is embarrassing and damaging enough. That made an effect, because the straight white right-leaning religion-aligned man is one of the largest sectors of the electorate.

He also flipped a red state, and a pretty important one. There is, along with larger trends like an approaching purple Texas, minor headway into starting to convince the south that they won't need to end up so uniformly red.

The USA also hasn't actually collapsed into total Trump cultism, and hey, for all we know, this was a possibility since 2016. Don't underestimate the weird sore spots that fascists can exploit to strange but drastic wins they can pull wide open into normalcy. Part of the anti-Trump accomplishment has been through the direct focus against Trump specifically. Even though I think the focus could have been much more effective, and educational (this isn't nothing; Americans must learn LESSONS from all this, and they don't seem to be), it wasn't nothing.

I think Biden was a greater hindrance than a boon to the Democrats, and they'll never appreciate the booms Bernie has given and would give, but Biden has also, through whatever naturally good qualities of him or a guidance of the party, not collapsed the Democrats. Any time for that would have to be in a 2022 or 2024, but he's maybe managed through 2020 and that's to be properly - not backhandedly like you might think my comments above are - commended. And ultimately, a win is a win. If he gets the win, its a win. The problem is all surrounding it. A narrow win means less mandate. A future, maybe low, popularity means again, less mandate. A R Senate means gridlock. A weakened (?) House means plenty of excuse to drag about relief and reform on many issues, some of them crucial and very shortly approaching. I don't think Biden was the worst primary candidate - that might be Bloomberg WTF he is HORRIBLE - but he was far from the best. And I don't think Sanders was the best the party could have ever put forward - he'd at minimum be weak in certain states like Florida, and his independence is BOTH a strength and weakness - but he's not given the reasonable level or at least right tone of respect that being the most popular senator in America, who rings loudly about the actually more popular political stances that butt against special/lobbing interests, should bring. I'd have taken Warren. I'd have tolerated Buttigieg. I'd have worked with a Harris or Booker or Beto if they kept in constant pandering mode. I only 'deal with' the idea of Biden. He's just 'there' and 'what we apparently have'. And it turns out, even the college and tampering etc aside, 'what we apparently have' is something that clearly does NOT enthuse voters to vote FOR him, but instead against the opposition and the world that came with him. This should not be a tight race. Everything Republican aisde, it really, really should not be tight. This is strongly, even though not totally, on Biden and the party apparatus that pushed him to a stupid level since April.

But I'm only a Canadian anyway (with American-citizenship curiosity always). Your farts wash over us so I won't be silent, and your mistakes make me speak up, but ultimately this is your decision.

So is our only hope for Senate majority is GA? Someone can check the math, but Ossoff will only make runoff if he gets most of 200-250K outstandings from urban/suburban counties. Warnock will obviously run against Loeffler, who will likely get Collins' #s

r480 = tl;dr

Get an editor.

[quote] Trump is actually under-performing in comparison to several Senate races, where GOP Senate candidates are doing better than Trump is. That means Republicans voted for Repug Senators and either didn't vote for president at all, or they voted for Biden

This is something I have questioned before but don't see discussed much. I really do think there is a class of voters who truly believe in divided government. And since "all politics is local", vote for state level representatives they love and vote their conscience nationally.

Agreed r468. YMF, I will bitch slap you into next election cycle if you didn't get every millennial to turn out!

I suspected some Republicans might vote straight party line but reject Dump.

R468 "What the fuck happened with those "white women suburb votes"?"

I'm sure a lot of them are packed away in an abandoned USPS truck. DeJoy needs to be arrested for treason.

Pelosi and Schumer need to step down as leaders. They failed.

that postmaster needs to be thrown in jail and use his bald head to mop the dirty floors. Those missing mail-in votes are his fault

It used to be considered "just common sense" to vote for different parties (instead of a straight party-line ticket) strategically to allegedly help with checks & balances, R485, and we may still be seeing some vestiges of that in the current results. I personally haven't heard that kind of strategizing since the 1990s but I also am not hugely checked into the political scene.

AP has still not called:

AK

WI

PA

GA

NC

MI

NV

Seven states. EC vote is 238-213

Net gain of one Senate seat for D

Net LOSS of five House seats for D

How do the machines count? Is it like braille?

I can't believe with everything McConnell has done and not done, he gets to retain power. That' s infuriating

[quote] I really don’t understand all the support Trump has

[quote] Let’s start with where you get your news from and who the circle of people you discuss politics with and maybe we can help you figure out why.

While not speaking for the original poster, R461, think the dawning realisation of many within the country and outside of it that a lying, sociopathic, racist, corrupt, accused sexual-abuser, child snatching IMPOTUS could actually appeal to anyone with any sense of

dignity

ethics

honour

decency

humanity

is depressing.

I guess Republicans reject Trump but embrace Trumpism.

R481 Oh god please let that cutie Ossoff pull it off

would Democrats have a chance to win the senate in 2022? I know typically the party in power loses though the repubs have bucked that trend

Yes, Nevada will go for Joe.

Trump can have those southern hick states. We never should’ve stopped them from leaving the union in the first place.

You just keep trying, don't you, r487? And to no avail.

I don't have a problem with people who make conservative choices for how they live their own lives, but to choose a well-documented hateful, derisive, liar and cheat to be your leader? That's some serious fucked up shit.

I pray to the gods that Biden is elected president. Yes, it will be a mess with a divided country, stacked courts, and red Senate, but he can install a stellar cabinet and slowly turn this leaking ship in a more positive direction. This country is seriously ill, trump is a spreading cancer, Biden is medicine.

[quote]This country is seriously ill, trump is a spreading cancer, Biden is medicine.

However, just as with cancer, there appears to be no cure for Trump.

Many of the wealthy like trump, educated or not.

'Economic anxiety' isn't just lower class, its also the middle class that feel they're on steadily declining quality of life and value for their pay and investments. The wealthy even feel 'economic anxiety' if they put most of their wealth into one place that crashes. Trump feeds on middle class economic anxiety and lower class social anxiety. The poor are actually preferring Democrats still, they're just getting more and more dampened interest in them after decades of austerity, niche scolding, declining neighborhoods, and bigoted records not fully owned up to. They're increasingly cynics, not flocking to Trump. Trump goes across the country telling the middle class they're going to get taxed to death and not get anything for it while minorities will profit. That's a mix of money and race that is integral to the evil side of American politics, but its effective.

Its one thing to potentially tax more but make a clearly outlined plan to forcefully advocate and reflects interests in everyday life (health, education, infrastructure, jobs, pay, ownership). This can, maybe, buffer against allegations of the opposition. Its the Sanders approach, it used to be the Democrats approach, it was the FDR approach. Its a gamble but its a healthy one, arguably.

Its another thing to have lesser plans, concede on major budgetary issues with your opponent, and allow them to control the narrative that you'll tax them to death without anything to show for it. Trump has no shame so he puts it all out there. And its eaten up because there's at least the grain of truth (not totally true, Democrats do fund major endeavors, even if too selectively and problematically). This stuff is key to maintaining his base, even if not the most radical of dumbasses in it. I don't like Buttigieg, but he at least had better sense to respond to this stuff better. And I'd hope that any future socialist/socialistic candidate that might ever, theoretically, get to a general election, has the sense to go the other way, no matter the mood of the nation at the time, and give moderate sides of their party some credit so they encourage a united front instead of a fractured alliance we have now.

R482 anything useful?

Wisconsin is looking good <3

R501, Trump is going to fade away. He no longers holds the most powerful seat in the entire country and the media is going to not obsess over his every burp. People are more fickle than you think.

Michigan looks pretty good. 95% in, Biden winning.

R310 Hon, it's not Trumpsters who want California to be it's own country. It's Californians..

Wisconsin is done counting all ballots. Now they're going through the audit process to make sure the results are reported correctly. Right now, Biden is ahead by leading by only 30,000 votes...

I wonder where he goes after the WH? Florida to hide?

I'm really angry about the senate

so fucking glad Biden has taken Wisconsin

At the end of this, Joe Biden will have:

-More votes nationally than any other Presidential candidate in history -More than 50% of the popular vote -At *least* two 2016 flips (and more coming) -A higher margin in WI, PA, and MI than Trump's in 2016

CNN: Biden projected to pick up 3 out of 4 electoral votes in Maine

'Trump', the brand, might not fade away with a loss, especially one this close. He now has a cohort, a club, an influence sector, whatever you call it. And its not him, its his kids who want to inherit from him, and a party that enjoys him. In a loss, its more likely that the capital owning high end of the party seizes back more direct control but puts on a lot of Trump-like dressing that won't go away soon. And might even accept in the less incendiary of the Trump family, no matter what happens to Donald himself. I'm not saying this is going to work, but I'm saying that it'll be tried for a time.

I think Dump only won Wisconsin in 2016 by less than 23,000 votes.

As with 2016 (and even 2018), any takeways from this election that don't take into account the GUTTING of the Voting Rights Act are useless.

Voter suppression is the most sensible explanation for nearly everything, including the polls seeming off. Much better than this nonsense about shy Trump voters or the idea that people like what they see in him. You don't go from 2018 to this without some serious fuckery afoot.

Maybe This Is Who We Are

Trump may lose, but the election makes clear that Trumpism is here to stay.

By FRED KAPLAN

NOV 04, 202010:40 AM

... The conventional wisdom is that Hillary Clinton lost because she was unpopular and ran a bad campaign, because the Russians meddled with social media, and because FBI Director James Comey reopened the probe into her emails just days before the election. All of this is probably true. But we now also see a simpler reason: a lot of Americans really like Trump—and this remains true even in the absence of Hillary or (as far as we know) outside interference.

The fact is we are, perhaps more than any time since the late 1850s, a divided country—divided not only by ideology and policy preferences (that’s normal; it’s what elections are supposed to decide) but also by the way we see the world. The two sides seem to occupy different universes. One universe observes facts, respects science, and values at least the goals of democracy and civility; the other universe does not. And the two view each other with seething contempt. Trump may wind up defeated, but Trumpism very much endures.

In the current issue of the New York Review of Books, the playwright and essayist Wallace Shawn recalled that, when he was growing up, in the 20 years after World War II (the same time Joe Biden came of age), American politicians won votes by promising to help people in need. “Americans seemed addicted to the feeling that their country represented goodness, decency, and kindness in a world where evil had almost prevailed,” Shawn wrote. As he learned later, from books, travels, and talking with people, America had also long perpetrated “unspeakable massacres” from the country’s very beginnings. But still, the legacy of our values restrained us from lurching deep into the dark side and even prodded us into doing many genuinely good things. What’s new about Trump is that he has discarded the entire myth, and, Shawn writes, many Americans “seem to feel a great sense of relief.” He goes on:

*** The fact that the leader of one of our two parties … was not ashamed to reveal his own selfishness, was not ashamed to reveal his own indifference to the suffering of others, was not even ashamed to reveal his own cheerful enjoyment of cruelty … all of this helped people to feel that they no longer needed to be ashamed of those qualities in themselves either. They didn’t need to feel bad because they didn’t care about other people. … In a world in which the rich want permission to take as much as they can get without feeling any shame, and many of the not-rich are so worried about their own sinking fortunes that they find it hard to worry about the misery of anyone else, Trump is the priest who grants absolution. In a way, he seems to be telling his followers that perhaps compassion is just one more value of the elite culture that he and they hate, like speaking in long sentences and listening to classical music. ***

...

REMINDER—Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin election officials were not allowed to begin processing absentee ballots until on or just before Election Day, after Republican-led state legislatures opposed changing laws to allow earlier preparations like other states.

Marmalade meltdown coming!

Voter suppression is the biggest single and most defining factor.

I guess my issue is that this isn't easily dealt with until gaining/regaining power yourself. Okay, voters suppressed, now what? Its a shame that Democrats have to win at a 55-60%+ to get a relative 45-50% standing, or whatever, but that's the shitty situation for so long and even times of holding all places of power and declining to do enough about it.

So put another way... Trump is on track to lose.

I guess we should take a breath and appreciate this. You don't always get what you want.... but having him out of power? I'll take it.

R507, true. Trumpers would literally starve to death without that sweet sweet welfare money that flows from blue states to red.

This was too close for comfort. Any of these states can flip back in four years. Dems need to get out the vote in 2022 and 2024, because rethugs will be out for blood, and they clearly can get their people to show up.

I do hope that after this election, Democrats continue to build more support in Georgia, North Carolina and Texas. Those states can flip in 2024. They just have to get people to come out to vote

Astead Herndon, in Milwaukee 5m ago

A new batch of votes reported this hour in Georgia has cut Trump’s lead there to just under 90,000 votes. See Georgia results ›

Anyone know if Trump is going to speak publicly today? I realize he will NEVER make a concession speech but I want to see him squirm...

the stupid white farmers in the midwest can enjoy having no one internationally buying their shit again thanks to Trump yet they stuck by him anyway due to racism and stupidity believing his lies

Now get ready for the follow-up... Donald Trump Jr. * Joni Ernst 2024.

MAGATS- Make America Great Again The Sequel

How long til his family start abandoning ship?

Any chance he ends up living in the motel in Schitt's Creek?

r528 Let's hope Joni gets confused and castrates Junior by mistake.

MAGGIE KOERTH

NOV. 4, 12:29 PM

Let’s be clear that the race in Wisconsin is not yet officially called for Biden. There’s just a lot of indicators suggesting that’s the way it’s going. Even unofficially, ABC has not called the state for Biden as of 12:26 p.m. Eastern.

Remember, the unofficial numbers being reported for Wisconsin come from the news media. The state doesn't have its own election night system for unofficial results. The WEC won't start getting official numbers from county clerks til next week. — Wisconsin Elections (@WI_Elections) November 4, 2020

Trump won Wisconsin by 23,000 in 2016. We're seeing a flip now. Trump in 2016 eeked out the election by small margins in many States. This year Biden is doing the same.

Trump is WAY ahead in Alaska, and it always goes red. I don't know why they haven't called it yet.

R524 I'm a little over both FL and TX... I think the hype about possibly winning them is too much. FL is FL, and after all the hoo haw about turning TX purple, it looks like Biden will win fewer counties than Clinton there.

AZ, GA, NC... and firming up the upper midwest... spending more effort in OH than TX is probably the best play in 2022 and 2024.

Gary peters is in trouble. Good lord. What a bloodbath.

Michigan:

96% reporting

Biden: 49.7% 2,613,025

Trump: 48.8% 2,566,923

why haven't the desks called WI?

Our media sucks so this is expected, but it still is amazing to see after weeks of the GOP brazenly acting to suppress and otherwise interfere with voting and nonstop red flags that we were facing foreign interference AGAIN, the pundits have just forgotten all about that and are marveling at GOP vote totals. These people are goldfish, or they are in on the scam.

Trump got 4 million new votes this yeah. 4 million people looked at the last 4 years and said sign me up. Even if Biden wins, the end of America is here. We need to split up. It’s not fair to us blue states.

We've been hearing for how many years now?--at least 20-- that TX, GA, and AZ were going to turn blue. Well, we FINALLY got at least one (due mostly to immigration from CA). I don't hold out much hope for TX in my lifetime.

R531 Even Republican ex-Governor Walker has said Biden's got WI. He said it's not even close enough for recount (although I suspect there's going to be a lot of recounts in several states)

Because it is within 1 point, which is the recount zone r537.

[quote]would Democrats have a chance to win the senate in 2022? I know typically the party in power loses though the repubs have bucked that trend

Yes. More GOP seats are up for re-election: 12 Democrats and 22 Republicans.

Potential competitive GOP races: Rubio, Burr-NC (retiring), Rob Portman, Pat Toomey, Ron Johnson, Loeffler's seat in GA if she holds. Grassley is also up for re-election and he'll be ancient by then, could decide to retire.

Potentially competitive Dem seats: Mark Kelly (again bc it's a special election this year), Nevada, New Hampshire

Trump campaign says it will request a recount in WI.

I don't think it odd that Biden got more votes in red states.

It'll be a cold day in hell before the U.S. will accept a woman president. And I hope, as a Dem, that they never run a woman again.

Biden was/is the centrist, conservative Dem who could oust Drumpf. We made the right choice.

Biden to win. We just have to be patient.

r376, as a self-described bleeding heart liberal, I do support some things that are scary to middle America, like universal healthcare, higher SS income cap for taxes, etc. I believe in government intervention to combat severe income equality. I'm virulently pro public transportation. I'm an Asian American who graduated from a UC school but support affirmative action in California. Even though affirmative action measures work against Asian Americans in UC system. Why? Because I didn't want to go to a school or live in an America with just white and Asian Americans. UC schools should represent what California looks like.

So I'm still a lefty in that sense but I want to focus on the issues that I think will help the majority of Americans. I think the left's penchant to chase after every identity political issue is a losing effort. Of course trans people should not be discriminated against and be protected from violence, but the political reality is focusing on trans right and feel good stories is good for about 766 votes. Win elections, get power and enact policies to help/protect those who need it. But so much effort on feel good stories and moral victories mean fuck all if you can't pass legislation.

R523 here again. I will add that Dems need to focus on healthcare. Healthcare got them the house in 2018, and I have a feeling that after today, we'll learn that possibly losing their healthcare is what flipped MI, PA, and WI for Joe.

Is Nevada trying to set a record for being the slowest fucking counters? 67%!

At least Penn has millions to count

R543, without Trump on the ballot, shouldn't Republican/MAGAt enthusiasm be down for the '22 midterms?

Here we go with the recounts

R540

Georgia was seriously in play. Last time I looked, Biden was losing by only 87,000.

CNN just reported that Trump is ordering a recount for Wisconsin. All the votes are in for Wisconsin (except for one small county); all that's left for Wisconsin is their audit of votes to make sure the votes have been tallied correctly. It's a ten day process and only after that's completed can a recount be requested. Trump is an idiot.

Any possibility that Susan Collins would switch parties? Would we want her?

R523

And how do you suggest they do that? Cattle prods?

They had a gazillion dollars in donations for this election and we barely squeaked by.

What needs to happen is nature's version of republican voter suppression. And by that I mean money-grubbing christ-fellating baby boomers continuing to die off so they can stop trying to force their imaginary vision of the 1950s on the rest of us.

Don't forget that Bernie fucked us with the USPS Board of Governors.

R540, no we've been hearing TX is turning purple, which it is. A state as diverse as TX isn't going to flip quickly, it's going to take several cycles, but they are on track.

I’m so sad about daddy cal Cunningham. He’s lead in the polls for a year. Pollsters have some splainin’ to do. We need answers.

R537

I heard that if the margin is under 1%, some outlets won't call.

I want David Chalian in me quite deeply.

R553, the DOJ needs to investigate her husband's lobbying work, and how it relates to her votes in the Senate. A Biden admin DOJ.

So the recount doesn’t matter if you’re winning, only if you’re losing. Got it Repugs.

Remember NC in 2016. It was a week later when it was clear that the dem governor pulled ahead.

[quote]I’m so sad about daddy cal Cunningham. He’s lead in the polls for a year. Pollsters have some splainin’ to do. We need answers.

NC Senate race (and presidential race) has not been called.

R561 Why would a winner want a recount?

Polls had Biden up by 8 points in WI. He’s going to win by 1. The shy Trump voter is real.

In the end, the Mexican-Americans continues to flip states and are delivering Arizona (and Nevada given the counties that are left to tally). For all the talk about Florida. Biden needs to go back to the Southwest and acknowledge them.

R553, no. She'd only switch to save her ass and then ratfuck us.

R545 really its only so good if: senate flips now or 2022, congress regains seats 2022+, Biden gets a grip and gains politically as president or is replaced by a better politician (IMO). Maybe throw in a sup judge or two dying and getting replaced. That's a lot of things needed to actually push Republican outright OUT.

In terms of literally ONLY getting Trump out, we're SQUEAKING through, generally speaking. Maybe better in a few crucial areas than in 2016 but otherwise that's all in the realm of a squeak and that's just a weak performance all considered. Not the worst, obviously, a win is a win, but ridiculously bad especially when considering this year and the polls.

Biden's lead is now up to 48k votes in Michigan.

I wonder how much the missing postal ballots are affecting the poll discrepancies.

R546 I appreciate your perspective. But I think you can walk and chew gum at the same time. One man's "too politically correct identity" foolishness is really important to another. (My marriage to my husband is a "foolish identity politics outcome not helpful to winning blue collar voters", but it's kind of important to me/us). I just think messaging needs to be sharper, balanced, innovative. Look at Buttigieg on Fox... he doesn't back off defending what might offend the Fox MAGA-head, but he makes the argument in a way they can hear.

[quote]r500 I don't have a problem with people who make conservative choices for how they live their own lives, but to choose a well-documented hateful, derisive, liar and cheat to be your leader? That's some serious fucked up shit.

Basically, Repugs are out for THEMselves and THEIR money. Democrats are willing to personally do with less as long as it’s for the “greater good” of the population.

It’s ironic the conservatives don’t give a shit about their fellow man when loving your neighbor as yourself is supposedly a core Christian teaching.

Trump’s going to turn on Congressional Republicans now, isn’t he. Twitterstorms daily, as they try to move on from him. Add in all the sleaze that’s going to come out now he can no longer hide in the White House, and it may be that this election will be remembered as the moment when the fever broke, and the American body politic began to edge slightly closer to something normal.

Only way for America to heal now is for a 9/11 to happen every three days.

Gary peters was a dud. The Democratic Party needs major leadership changes. After spending a billion dollars it looks like they will net 0 seats (if Peterson doesn’t eek out a win). How sad and embarrassing

R568 it’s not easy to remove a dictator. For right now I’ll take it. At least we don’t have to wake up everyday worried what this lunatic will do or try to do next. Especially when we’re still dealing with a pandemic.

Side-bar: I just flipped to MSNBC from CNN to check on their coverage but Andrea Mitchell is blabbing. Why doesn't that bitch go away? She's like the reincarnation of Barbara Walters; she just can't give up the crown. I never did understand her popularity. I wrote it off to her connections. Now she needs to stay home and take care of Alan.

The Supreme Court is lost forever. Dems will never win the senate again.

R572 It's more than that. It's tribal, culture war. Trump almost won in the middle of a pandemic he mishandled, because he brilliantly turned the pandemic political. "Masks" are what THEY, the elite, the enemies, the lamestream media, say.... WE MAGAs know better.

It's US against THEM... and racism and homophobia and xenophobia energize that cultural war.

[quote]It’s ironic the conservatives don’t give a shit about their fellow man when loving your neighbor as yourself is supposedly a core Christian teaching.

You say ironic, I say hypocritical.

I really thought the threat to healthcare would bring more voters to the Democratic side but whities gonna white I guess. Hopefully Biden wins but this is not a good look for the US that Trump is so close

How are the Senate races turning out? Moscow Mitch is back. I just hope Pigs lose their Majority!

If Dems want to secure the Senate, they need to move to a targeted state. like "Bloody Kansas" and MO, when abolitionists and slavery advocates moved to KS and MO to influence whether they'd become free or slave states. It needs to become a thing, like Indivisible,.

I want to see the difference in how well hand marked mail/absentee ballots turned out as predicted vs in person voting machines. I have a strange feeling the polls did a better job of capturing one over the other, and that the press will never do any kind of deep dive into the issue.

Jon Ossof :(

Biden needs to do fireside chats and major Oval Office speeches when the Senate fucks with him and when the S Court fucks with us.

Love comes in many colours, R580, but it looks best in white!

that traitor Van Drew is narrowly ahead in his race

R582. They will hold their majority

Pack the court, my ass! We were already building those "castles in the sky"....

What do you mean, R590?

Part 7.

[quote]Potentially competitive Dem seats: Mark Kelly (again bc it's a special election this year),

No, it isn't. If McCain were still alive, this would be his year to run for reelection if he'd wanted to. This was the last year of his term.

DL anti-fave Stefanik retains her seat comfortably

Arizona now flipping to Trump. If this happens, it's PA or Biden loses.

R590 My mind goes there. But not having Trump in power is HUGE. 22 Rep Senators up in 2022. Taking the Senate then is possible... but we need so much more strategy to do it.

OK Wisconsin has finished and Biden has more votes. December 1, the state's election commission certifies and declares Biden the winner.

Now which states are left? Which ones are close to a Biden win?

R595 Data Orbital is bogus right?

R597 It's all about MI now.... holding NV and AZ will mean he's president if MI is won. He's ahead in MI now and projections are that the votes still out will not affect that.

R595 WHAT

AZ: 86% of the vote counted. Biden ahead almost 100K votes. Kelly won comfortably. DataOrbital is b.s.

R575

At this rate, the boomer democratic leadership will be pushing 100 and we'll still be subjected to their deathgrip on power.

"We should run that young Gary Peters fellow again. He is sure to electrify generation Z voters, he's edgy, like a Silver Fox version of that Zach Morris character that used to be on that one rebellious youth program, Shelved in the Hall. Youngsters still like that program, right?"

Meanwhile, the republicans will have already purchased the endorsements of all the rappers who are top-trending on holographic TikTok and all of the newest celebutante whores with sex tapes on the new smell-o-vison porn app.

Or, R565, voter suppression WORKS, which is why the GOP is so heavily invested in it.

R598 Looking at their tweets they have been favoring Trump all day so I do not trust them

[quote]How were the polls for the Dem senate candidates so FAR off?

It's called massive fucking cheating.

Here's the main problem:

Repugs treat voters like they are fucking morons.

Dems treat voters like they are smart.

America is, at least, 75% moron. Dems need to learn it and start acting accordingly.

Remember midterms in two years. Maybe we can flip the Senate blue then.

[quote] It'll be a cold day in hell before the U.S. will accept a woman president.

That's a damn sure thing. I have been saying this for ages. no matter how damaged the male candidate, he can beat the female candidate. I had hoped that was in the past and the pure numbers were heartening in 2016. I remember telling colleagues who doubted Doug Wilder could get elected as a black governor in racist Virginia that I knew he could - just as long as he didn't marry their sister.

A female friend related this to me in 2016: the day after the election one of her AA male colleagues came up to her and whispered to her, "I didn't realize they hated you more than they hated me."

Every woman knew that.

Something is not right. How could all the polls be so wrong? Doesn’t add up.