ELECTION 2020, PART 5

Previous thread:

Someone asked about North Carolina in the last thread, the answer is we don't know yet, it's very close with some votes still outstanding:

Trump (R): 50% (2,732,084 votes)

Biden (D): 49% (2,655,383 votes)

Estimated: > 95% votes in

Any update on Georgia? What about Nevada? Is it true Biden lost Michigan?

Imprison that fukker DeJoy of the P office !

I don’t ever want to feel like this again. 4:45 but I can’t sleep until I know!

Also Biden is now ahead in Wisconsin by nearly 20K votes, and without Kenosha reported yet.

Biden hits 50.0% in the National Vote.

I woke up to pee and check this thread

Come on Wisconsin save us

Weird that we had so many trolls telling us that Wisconsin was lost, and now that it looks like a clear Biden victory, they've all disappeared.

R7, does that include California?

Michigan, please don’t fuck this up...

Bidens problem is his message was outdated, the dem party refuses to take a risk on a candidate who wants change, despite working for Obama. Trump was all about change in 2016 and it won him the election and Bidens was all about his legacy as VP and he might only just win and not with the landslide that was predicted. Harris wont be the on the ticket for 2024, that's if the Dem's want a chance to win.

The mail handlers and carriers need to "go postal" on DeJoy's ass.

r3 Nevada is going to Biden that's not even in play and MI is NOT lost. Stop with the inaccurate info please.

Woohooo! We take the lead in Winsconsin and the Mexican-American vote is delivering for Dems in Nevada and Arizona. All is good again.

Don't you mean check the thread and then pee, R8?

I’m the one that worked the polls in Las Vegas. One thing I forgot to tell you, there were a lot of transplanted Californians voting on Tuesday.

Nevada=Biden (79%)

good god what u think trump will do if biden squeezes a win out? he will so flip the fuk out...

Yes, they need to strip DeJoy naked and run him out of town on a stick.

Thanks R18, I've been reading your replies with interest. I think NV looks almost guaranteed for Biden.

[quote]Harris wont be the on the ticket for 2024, that's if the Dem's want a chance to win.

OK I'll bite, not sure why - and who would YOU like to see in 2024 if not Harris? Since she's not about "change" and all. (sarcasm)

Okay hold up we don't need to see DeJoy naked, that's a bridge too far

WISCONSIN BIDEN= 49.3 Dump=49.0

I know some people were lashing out at Latino voters in the last few threads out of frustration, but I’m very proud of the Mexican American turnout. They are showing up. I have a feeling Muslim Americans will play a big part in Michigan

What happens if Biden loses Michigan but wins Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, could he still win? Or must he win all 3?

R21 I am also a transplanted Californian.

[quote] Weird that we had so many trolls telling us that Wisconsin was lost, and now that it looks like a clear Biden victory, they've all disappeared.

All of the blue counties have 99%+ in. Brown, Kenosha and Manitowoc still have a bunch of votes left to count and they favor red/Trump.

I would just like to this: I am alone in my house, incredibly sad & scared & I appreciate the comfort, wisdom & insight of what I've read in these threads. Yeah, there are some trolls, but most people who I think feel as bewildered & upset as I do. I think a times like this, it's what the internet is for is to create a sense of community when no physical community exists.

Thanks. I needed to get that off my chest.

Nevada is being so California centric that people talk about Nevada California as if it was one state now.

R25 Mexicans= good cubans = shit heads! Got it? Most other latinos can not stand Cubans.

Bullshit, R13. THIS is all about who we Americans are. Trump has been and is a terrible person and president. He is only a reflection of who we truly are.

If the repugs played fair n square, biden may have taken texas and florida....GOD DAMN POST OFFICE INDEED.

[quote]Is it true Biden lost Michigan?

NO. None of the three Midwest states are called. Pennsylvania may not be called even for a couple days!!!

Trump would need NC, PA, GA, and MI to win, right?

*NATIONAL VOTE*

BIDEN 67,822,138 votes (50.0%)

TRUMP 65,594,101 votes (48.3%)

r29 me too.

No matter what happens, it's not the end of the world. I'm going to take a long walk today and think about other things.

As a good friend told me during a difficult period in my life: "Reality is full of possibilities."

wHY dint the dems win more senate seats as expected. . god dam susan collins won,,,,,shit....and that fuk joni ernst

R28 Is this true? Is Biden really fucked in Wisconsin?

R32 Then explain Obama? Is America racist? Yeah, but not to the degree that they wouldn't vote a president who is black with a name that raised eyebrows all over the place. Obama represented something new and different, Trump represented something new and different. And they both won.

The city of Kenosha itself is a Biden town, r28. The western part of the county may be another thing. STOP with the pro-Trump concern trolling like you've been doing all night here. Post ACCURATE information.

No, R39.

[quote]Brown, Kenosha and Manitowoc still have a bunch of votes left to count and they favor red/Trump.

Kornacki said the county of Kenosha has reported but they're waiting on votes from the city. He suspects the city vote will favor Biden.

[quote]More Breaking News. Big numbers as expected in Milwaukee County for Joe Biden. Race is not over. Half of Brown County has yet to report totals.

The Southwest has the nice kind of Latinos.

The west is kicking Republican ass tonight.

If it’s just mail in ballots left that’s really good for Biden. Trumpsters have been bragging about showing up to polls without masks.

Brown County in WI is Green Bay folks. BIDEN town. GOOD news from r43 - read that tweet.

It ain't over til it's OVER - rinse and repeat.

only slightly under 11,000 lead isn't much with 11% left to report in Wisconsin

this is so damn nerve wracking. I cannot believe how close things are

I thought Hillary Clinton narrowly won Green Bay? Please let Biden win this!

I'm really just aghast that Trump has won more votes without a full tally than he did in 2016. His strategy of dividing endlessly has gained him new supporters. WTF

FUCK! Trump could win. KY backs Moscow Mitch. Traitor Susan is going to win. What the fuck?!?! Who are these people who vote this way?

We have to go popular vote now. Some last minute, non thinking voter is deciding the fate of the world. This is not sane. This system is not Democratic at all. We need to go to the popular voter. We want to help these people. We want them to have health care and their kids too. We want them to LIVE through pandemics and the very serious and dire Climate Crisis. POPULAR VOTE.

I am so sick of this shit.

Update on Michigan? Reddit says it’s not looking good but can’t find anything solid

Why is Michigan so late? Because 60 Republican challenger appeared at the counting site and are challenging every ballot. This has slowed down the process.

All of Milwaukee county is in.

WHY is Fox calling Pennsylvania for Dump?

There is no intellectual way to sort this out, trump may win simply cause his team cheats and cheats big time.

On Green Bay

Republicans are pulling crap like this here in my state of Pennsylvania too. The Republicans would not allow balance to be counted early here in Pennsylvania. And now the earliest that the ballots will be counted is as early as Friday

And because this is a country of Deplorables ,r57

All this stress might give Joe a third brain aneurysm.

white America really has a lot to answer for. The fact that Trump has gained more votes since 2016 is just disgraceful.

Explain Obama? What is there to explain? It's not as if the Obama phenomenon hasn't happened before. Look at the country right after the Civil War and during Reconstruction. Afro Americans held leadership positions and look how long that lasted.

As some politician said; "This is a white man's country and will remain a white man's country."

WHATEVER! MR. BIDEN PLEASE DO NOT CONCEDE.

WI will likely go into recount. Neither will finish with 1%+ lead.

Who is this guy on CNN with Chris Cuomo? Chris can barely stand him.

Denver repealed their pit bull ban.

All of Milwaukee County is in now, 100%, except the provisional ballots (not sure how many of those there are, they didn't say). There is some outstanding vote left to count in other counties, but per CNN most of it is mail-in ballots. So its a real toss up.

32,000 absentee ballots outstanding in Wisconsin just heard on CNN

Wisconsin doesn't have an automatic recount trigger, but if there is less than 1% between the candidates, a candidate may request a recount.

Why would Biden concede, R63. Are you the hysterical “VOTE BLUE DOWn BALLOT” queen? I’d have thought your head would have exploded by now.

30k votes still out in Brown County WI/Green Bay. Not known if these are Dem or Repub leaning, they are thought to maybe be mail in but that's doesn't mean automatic Dem lead.

What about Penn? What does everyone think?

How did Trump get more popular votes than 2016?

the polling is really off in the battlegrounds. Just shocking

I'm done getting hyped up by the media. For the last 2 months they've been creaming themselves about how this would be a blowout

Ignore him r70 there's always one of these in every election thread here on Election Night.

R71 Reddit is saying it’s Red leaning but apparently Hillary (barely) won it last year. Hoping Biden pulls through

Every time MI results come in, Biden gets closer and closer to Trump.

PA won’t be known for days. Hopefully Biden wins WI, MI, and GA.

Voter suppression is working. Voter suppression is ANTI DEMOCRACY. The Republican Party are complete fascists. We were trying to save those children in TRUMP cages.

If Trump wins, he will go after more children. If Republican have a senate majority, they will BLOCK EVERYTHING. Including saving children, medical care for Americans, stimulus to get through this recession/depression.

If trump wins, he will not deal with the pandemic. It will get worse. Medical doctors and senior nurses are already exhausted . We are going into a second wave. The second wave is worse. Also, there is a concurrent flu season.

SENATE IS TIED! I only pray Kamala vote can swing the Senate to Dem!

More people voted overall r73, I'm assuming. We should look at the percentage when all is said and done.

One thing that can be very definitively taken from this election (and 2016) is that future polling is totally and utterly useless. Worse than useless.

You would get more accurate predictions from reading tea leaves or getting a palm reading.

There will be a lot of "pollsters" out of a job today because they have been wrong for so long that they have no credibility left. Zero.

[quote] I'm done getting hyped up by the media. For the last 2 months they've been creaming themselves about how this would be a blowout

Ma’am you have been warned for months that the race would be tight and would not be determined until sometime after election night.

the majority of white hetero Americans are just dumbass bigoted fools who like fucking things up.

Can you fuck off r79 and stop posting unrelated shit we know already? This isn't a "what might happen under Trump" thread, it's an ELECTION thread for results talk. STAY ON TOPIC. You give everyone headaches.

[quote]I only pray Kamala vote can swing the Senate to Dem!

How can she do that? The votes are cast.

It is not tied. There are more states to go.

SENATE IS NOW TIED according to Fux.

Wait, what’s happening with Nevada?

I am finding AP to be the most up to date source of everyone. Most news sources aren't even counting ECs for Biden from Arizona, but they are.

R80, In a Senate tie vote, the VP breaks it.

AP has NV and WI as light blue, meaning Biden is leading both. The EC count has Biden 238/ Trump 213

Who is the guy with the interactive screen with Cuomo on CNN, tell me now

R92 Ok, phew. I was worried we lost Nevada.

Well there you go r88. That's what had been originally predicted.

I'm going to sign off for a while been up all night. Will rejoin later this morning. REMEMBER: Biden only needs two of these three at the moment: PA, MI and WI. He has AZ and one electoral vote each from Maine and Nebraska. Still very well positioned. I think MI and PA are very much there, give it time and keep the heads up. If he takes these two, he doesn't need WI.

And if he happens to get GA, he's got it.

Has anyone checked on Joy Behar tonight?

Maine is now Biden (90%).

R94 Biden will get Georgia

Biden is comfortably ahead in AZ, others should be counting his EVs from there too. At least AP is, I guess.

I read that Michigan counts in person votes first

I really hope the Atlanta suburbs come through for Biden but who the hell knows

what a disappointment North Carolina has been

[quote] WHY is Fox calling Pennsylvania for Dump?

Because he has a 700k lead.

Georgia will stay red.

Biden isn't down by much in Michigan and reportedly there are votes in Detroit, Grand Rapids, Lansing and the Oakland County suburbs that still need to be counted, all areas that lean heavily blue.

Trump is not and cant win, he has done too much evil shit..... HE SUPPRESSES THE VOTE AND 'WINS' FOR THT FUKIN REASON....

Republicans lawyers are trying to get ballots thrown out in a state.

LOL! They're going on and on about Trump's statement from the White House. Listen honey... if Republicans pulled that Supreme Court nonsense and got away with it then don't be too sure that they can't get their way on this.

According to AP, the only states still up for grabs are

Alaska, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Georgia. All are skewing towards Trump except for Nevada and Wisconsin, but there are still many ballots to be counted.

And I'm not an AP shill, I've been clicking all over the place and they have been consistently most up to date all night.

What is taking so long to call Arizona? They have been stuck @ 82% for while. Hmmmmm

Just call Arizona and Nevada to Biden right the fuck now. I just pull a double shift, and I can hold it. I better wake up to the news that Biden won WI,AZ, and NV.

R93, that's CNN's Phil Mattingly. There's a hot photo of him on the previous thread.

More than one state probably, R105.

Trump's legal arguments have been basically "the states should do what the Feds tell them to with regard to voting" and I don't know that SCOTUS, even this far-right SCOTUS, is going to agree with that.

If Trump needs to steal more than one state, I don't think his legal battles will work, but we'll see.

R94, Nevada is close, yes. Biden leads by only about 2 points.

This hasnt been a democracy since Bush 'beat' Kerry and Gore, they cheat ike hell and will continue to win for that reason. they play for blood and not fairness.

[quote]Alaska, Nevada, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Georgia. All are skewing towards Trump

They absolutely ARE NOT.

Biden is ahead in Wisconsin and Nevada, for starters.

Where are you people GETTING this? All night people like you have been posting that all the remaining battleground states are "leaning Trump" and it's not true.

Senate is NOT tied!!! It's the current count but it's now projected that GOP will retain their existing majority despite Dem gains tonight because Peters will lose in MI.

*NATIONAL VOTE*

BIDEN 68,020,066 votes (50.0%)

TRUMP 65,736,812 votes (48.3%)

it's sad that this election is even close. What a disgrace America is. We won't have a country left if Trump gets another 4 years

Thank you for the update Polltroll. I'm going to sleep. Hopefully the count will finally be done when I wake up.

Come on Nevada!!!

Is it true Trump is ahead by 700k votes in Penn? How can Biden catch up to that? Is it even possible?

The ballot counting machine in Green Bay, WI ran out of ink. That’s why it’s taking so long.

[quote]Bidens problem is his message was outdated, the dem party refuses to take a risk on a candidate who wants change, despite working for Obama.

Hey Berni Troll, you are out of your fucking mind. Look at the record number of voters who came out, all Rural Republican Conservatives. Turns out there are more of them than even moderate progressives.

[quote]30k votes still out in Brown County WI/Green Bay. Not known if these are Dem or Repub leaning, they are thought to maybe be mail in but that's doesn't mean automatic Dem lead.

They said it's from Green Bay and mostly mail-in which is expected to swing Democratic.

Biden ahead by about 9000 in Nevada.

I hope Biden never conceds cause Drump won , if he does, by fuckin with ballots. Same with Senate, no way Collins and Ernst can win fairly..

Arizona was called a while ago.

I'm still in disbelief Trump has gained votes from 4 years ago

so we're just at the point now when nothing matters and white Americans mostly vote for whoever the repub candidate is.

[quote]it's sad that this election is even close. What a disgrace America is. We won't have a country left if Trump gets another 4 years

Yeah and you cant even move to another country with Corona American status.

I think no matter what, because this is so close, America already lost. It shouldn’t be like this.

R123 per Ralston mail in ballots haven’t been counted in Clark county

Nevada has been stuck at ~69% of precincts reporting since I posted in the 400s of the last thread.

Biden — 49.99%

Trump — 47.89%

Democrats hoped to expand in the House but actually lost seats. Still projected Dem control of the House but definitely Rethugs gaining seats. Disappointing.

Nevada hasn’t counted mail ins apparently. Reno and Las Vegas counties haven’t been counted. How do they lean?

R113 Not only do Rethugs cheat, the fucking outdated electoral college vote is the only reason they even have a fighters chance..

it's the power of right wing media propaganda. Majority of hetero white Americans believe Trump is an honest, smart, strong leader doing his best

Oh god CNN is talking about Nevada possibly going red.

if Biden doesnt lose in NV, he only needs MI and WI to clinch that win. He can lose GA, NC, and PA.

I forgot the link at R130.

Nevada still has mail ins, or so I read

A lot of people mindlessly vote for the incumbent, R126. They're notoriously difficult to beat, even if they're rotten to the core.

[quote]so we're just at the point now when nothing matters and white Americans mostly vote for whoever the repub candidate is.

There's plenty of blame to go around, black men and Hispanics are voting in even higher numbers for Trump than they did before.

Really what this comes down to is rural people without a college degree vs those more educated who live in or near a big city.

Not true R130, this came out a few minutes ago, already posted on this thread:

Nevada is driving me crazy

[quote]Reno and Las Vegas counties haven’t been counted. How do they lean?

Democratic. Plus that's the counties with most of NV vote.

R140 even with more black and latino male votes, the fact is vast majority of Trump supporters are white. They deserve the bulk of the blame. They obviously are as racist as he is and just as stupid

a man who attacks even doctors and scientists and got impeached and is under criminal investigations might get reelected. we're fucked

I'll cut & paste the Nevada numbers, which I don't believe include LV or Reno, both heavily blue areas:

NV Presidential Election Results

Biden (D): 49% (587,775 votes)

Trump (R): 49% (578,498 votes)

Estimated: 87-99% votes in

[quote]A lot of people mindlessly vote for the incumbent,

Really? Where were you when I got thrown out of office with just a sign about the economy?

NV looks depressing. if Biden loses that, it's OVER.

no one knows what is going on. Just let the ballots be counted. We need to double check some of these states, esp Florida. Make sure they did not cheat.

[quote] They absolutely ARE NOT.Biden is ahead in Wisconsin and Nevada, for starters. Where are you people GETTING this? All night people like you have been posting that all the remaining battleground states are "leaning Trump" and it's not true.

Are you a fucking retard? I clearly said EXCEPT FOR NEVADA AND WISCONSIN. AND THAT THERE WERE MANY MORE BALLOTS TO BE COUNTED.

Goddamn moron.

R146 that was before the rise of the alternative right wing media propaganda machine that has truly driven a wedge in this country. Their followers do not believe in facts anymore

Ummmm some rural people do have educations and a college degree.

I’m so sick of that weird stereotype r140.

You all convince yourselves Trumpers are all “without a college degree” because in your warped and deluded minds a college degree, a piece of paper even the biggest morons have achieved, automatically are “smart” and “liberal”. That is not how it works. You make yourself look and sound like the uneducated one

Biden only leading by 7,800 now in Wisconsin with 5% left to go.

Biden is leading in NV, but too close to call.

Jon Ralston on Nevada:

Don't think any Clark mail has been counted, but it is close in NV.

We are not going to know tonight. Clark and Washoe done counting.

[quote]*NATIONAL VOTE*. BIDEN 68,020,066 votes (50.0%). TRUMP 65,736,812 votes (48.3%)

Wouldn't it be nice to live in a country where this MATTERS?

Trump managed to super-juice the MAGA rural, non-college white vote. But note that he has been running for re-election from the day he got sworn in. Four years of relentless propaganda, red meat, and rallies.

And NV mail in votes haven’t been reported yet

Looks like only in-person votes have been tallied in Nevada, mail-in has not as of yet, and it's expected to lead heavily Democratic.

R151, your third paragraph is an embarrassment.

Am I missing something up for grabs? Biden has 238 ECs right now. If he took NV, WI and, say, NC, that would get him to 269. But if Trump won the rest, that would only get him to 268. That doesn't make sense. Is there something tiny (not Alaska) that's been forgotten? Have all the 1 EC territories been decided?

[quote]I’m so sick of that weird stereotype [R140].

Oh please, get your panties out of a wad, Rural voters just re-elected a pig farmer who jokes about cutting off balls.

R158 Does that mean that only 15 % of votes or less were mail-in? What is usually the average?

Apparently Trump tried to block mail in votes in Nevada but the SC rejected him. This makes me more confident

[quote]We are not going to know tonight. Clark and Washoe done counting.

Sigh. Well, at least we know, thanks PollTroll R154

But how he acts at his rallies should not work on anyone. Also, he is a terrible president and person. He is a fucking fascist.

R160, one of Maine’s EVs is still up for grabs.

R160, u missing NE-2 and ME-2 single EVs.

Per Reddit: Some early Phili mail in vote results:

61,000 Biden 3,900 Trump

Insane margins

Thank you. I had a feeling I was missing some of those, but the map I'm following doesn't show them. : ( Let me track those down.

it's the Nevada supreme court, not us.

[quote]But how he acts at his rallies should not work on anyone. Also, he is a terrible president and person. He is a fucking fascist.

Worked for Hitler. Worked for Berlusconi. Worked for many others.

Both parties should move to the center. The bulk of Americans are either moderate Democrats and center right Republicans. If Biden wins he needs to remember this. Both however too controlled by their extreme voters

Biden won NE-2.

Democrats aren't controlled by the extreme leftists, my goodness that's a bizarre thing to claim.

we should just call ourselves Amerikkka from now on. This is sickening that Trump has a chance and the polls were so wrong

Only 937 NV absentee ballots have been reported:

828 for Trump and 92 for Biden.

[quote]6% of counties (1 of 17) have reported absentee votes. Data for absentee votes may not be available in some places.

I truly hate any liberal in a battleground state who did not feel like voting for Biden

Thanks, R164.

Jon Ralston is the expert on Nevada politics, so he's the one to listen to.

Anyway, I've been at this for 12 hours now, so I think I'll be taking a few hours sleep. Cheers everyone! :)

R176 I’m assuming that county typically leans red?

That's not true R172, that concept is more than 30 years old. The Republican party is now to the far, far, far right. If you cant see that you are blind.

It is the republican party that uses the KKK/white supremacists. They need them to win. Then, they suppress the votes and rights of people who are more likely to vote against them, mainly people of color and skilled laborers.

Why the fuck do people even mail in a ballot on election day? There's so many options to vote, Why!!!!

Thank you r178!

Earlier, Michael Steele was taking Beto to task for not running against Cornyn instead of chasing the presidential nom. His theory was that he could've improved his numbers and dragged Biden a bit higher with him. Maybe he's right and maybe then Beto wouldn't have made the mistake on guns.

R179, apart from Clark and Washoe counties, all of NV is red; it's just that very, very few people live in the red areas.

I don't want to read any more complaining on this board when people rightfully criticize white Americans. It's well deserved. They are supporting the modern day version of Nazis

My former boss and his wife voted for Trump this year. He runs a law office that specializes in evictions and they have been closed since March with a huge loss in income. I understand his frustration (and I've been out of work, also, elsewhere) but for fuck's sake, how do people not realize that the reason this has gone on for so long with no end in sight is BECAUSE of Trump? If we would have had anyone else in office (perhaps with the exception of McConnell), we would be in a much better position in terms of COVID. And exactly what does he think Trump is going to do if re-elected? He's had 8 months to do it. We're at our highest peak of infection. I don't understand the complete absence of logical thinking. This is the kind of idiot voting for Trump.

most likely, they were lied too. Red states lie to people.

[quote]Green Bay's absentee ballot results are being delayed because one of the vote-counting machines ran out of ink and an elections official had to return to City Hall to get more.

[quote]Update: The clerk has returned with printer ink!

Lindsay Graham didnt win that seat fairly, no way... half his opponents ballots were thrown into the river.

R187 right wing media has convinced their audience that people like Fauci are the enemy taking away their freedom with an unnecessary lockdown

[quote]I don't want to read any more complaining on this board when people rightfully criticize white Americans. It's well deserved. They are supporting the modern day version of Nazis

Say Whaaaat?

[quote] most likely, they were lied too. Red states lie to people.

They live in California (as do I). This is what incenses me even more. I could almost understand some backwoods shithole not getting it, but I don't understand anyone living or working in LA county who would vote for Trump after the past four years.

[r187] and what kind of psycho and loser becomes an eviction lawyer? IN law school, you could be a civil rights lawyer, a human rights lawyer. No, this guy chose to be a scumbag. there is something wrong with these people. They lack empathy. There are more sociopaths and nars, then we thought in this country. This is dangerous.

[quote] Lindsay Graham didnt win that seat fairly, no way... half his opponents ballots were thrown into the river.

You must be brain dead if you don’t see the national trend across the country. Republicans are being backed by the majority of Americans. Nearly the entire congressional Democratic freshman have been wiped out.

R194 My brother voted for Trump twice. Even though under Trump he had to file for bankruptcy. His business is completely destroyed. But my brother is white so I guess he feels sorry for himself and slighted. He’s a dumb white guy.Typical Trump demo.

Lets face it, the Republicans are unbeatable cause they know how to supress the vote, stuff the boxes, and do every god dam illegal trick in the book to win.

[quote]I don't want to read any more complaining on this board when people rightfully criticize white Americans. It's well deserved. They are supporting the modern day version of Nazis

Speak for yourself Brother!

Who said that R193?

Fuck Kanye. I can’t believe Jimmy Kimmel is having him on his show tomorrow

He actually runs the office, and they take cases for both tenants and landlords. In California, tenants are pretty well protected if they're in rent stabilized housing, which makes up a large portion of the rental units in LA county and surrounding. I get where you're coming from, but having worked there when I first moved to the city as a court runner, I saw the cases firsthand and the business isn't as mustache twirling villain as one might think.

I wonder how many folks were turned off by the whole woke/blm movement and decided fukkit, im goin for trump .

Tom Perez and the DNC have done a terrible job.

Wrong person. Said it many months ago.

[quote] Nearly the entire congressional Democratic freshman have been wiped out.

Oh, dear. What are you talking about and WTF language are you speaking?

Kimmel is turd, and im pissed the pit bull ban got overturned .

Who are all these people voting for Trump? 230 000 Americans dead and they come out in force to vote him back in? Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas.

The issue is that not the American people are voting in this election, but the States. It's not the United Republic of Americans, but the United States of America voting.

I knew Perez was a no talent bozo....he threw a billion bux at this senate race and got nothin.

THROW HIM OUT

R161 um more than rural voted for him. Look around you. Many of his voters are WEALTHY.

I think they are tossing mail in ballots.

I think they are tossing mail in ballots.

Stop fretting about NEVADA. Biden will win it.

[quote]Republicans are being backed by the majority of Americans.

No, that's not how this works.

There are fewer registered Republicans than Democrats, and most people don't even vote.

"As of May 2020, Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrats, 25% identified as Republican, and 40% as Independent."

That's not a majority of Americans.

[quote] Nearly the entire congressional Democratic freshman have been wiped out.

???? what?? No, no, and no it wasn't. Crap disinformation.

Why is CNN spreading panic then, ugh. R213

I am especially pissed off by district level polling. I mean how can so many pollsters get literally everything so wrong!!!!!

Will Nate Silver change Trafalgar rating now???? Dickhead!

DeJoy must be held to the fire for what he has done....get him dems! He perhaps is more responsible for the red wins than anyone. He may have tossed away a million ballots.

I hope that Biden's lawyers check into that R212. That has been a huge worry of mine for months. It isn't as if Dump and DeJoy have been at all secretive about the corruption and cheating scam that they are/have been attempting.

Nate Silver needs to be hanged, drawn and quartered R217. He's full of shit.

I cant stand Perez, he's like some drop out slacker who got the job by default. Bull shitting his way through it.

[quote] I wonder how many folks were turned off by the whole woke/blm movement and decided fukkit, im goin for trump .

I was turned off by it (mostly because the people running the BLM chapters are just as full of shit as any Republican, and their priorities were all making sure their chapter presidents got signed by talent agencies, which they did), but they were so small potatoes compared to the real things that mattered this year, which were all COVID related. BLM was not a reason enough to not vote dem. They simply didn't make a big enough ripple.

This is what I DON'T understand. The MAJOR fuck up by the GOP, from the President on down, in regards to how the COVID crisis was handled should have meant an enormous landslide for the Dems. But they don't play hardball. It's very telling that the organization most critical of Trump and most capable of getting that message out there repeatedly and with a lot of attention was from The Lincoln Project, which is run by a bunch of Republicans.

R216 for ratings. I live in Nevada. I worked the polls. I also know that more Californians are moving to Nevada and voted on Tuesday. That’s why Nevada has been trending blue. Clark county is going to put Biden over the top. Clark county is the Los Angeles county of Nevada. More liberal. They are voting here like they would in California. And Jon Ralston is just being dramatic with his Twitter posts.

Ratings, R216.

Early votes from mail-ins are counted last in NV, PA and MI, so we knew weeks ago that Trump would look like he was ahead in those states, but would probably lose once all votes were counted.

Trump, true to form, wants them to stop counting these mail-in votes and claims that counting them is cheating.

We need to not buy into his spin. It's not cheating, we're waiting for ALL votes to come in.

[quote]Why is CNN spreading panic then, ugh.

Because that's what they do.

Millions of people vote Trump and you are worried about Nate Silver? Who gives a shit about him. That's not where the blame should lie.

R215, that troll can barely speak English.

Me watching and judging you Americans from my home when my country is also going to shit because our current governors who are the exactly the opposite of Trump. I don’t lose hope, Biden 2020!

[quote] I wonder how many folks were turned off by the whole woke/blm movement and decided fukkit, im goin for trump .

It wasn’t just that the riots existed, it was the Democratic leaders didn’t unequivocally condemn the protestors.

[quote] I mean how can so many pollsters get literally everything so wrong!!!!!

They probably didn't.

Ask yourself, does it seem logical that nearly every pollster who has been doing this for years and years got it wrong nearly every time? No, just the law of averages would mean that's not likely.

So that means something is up with the votes, and my personal opinion is that it's voter suppression.

Also, right now we're not seeing the early mail-in votes in some states, so the polls may not end up being wrong at all.

Where's the voodoo guy?

Looks like Biden is climbing in MI per NYT

Cuban Florida Hispanics should be deported.

Green Bay ballots have been counted and as of about 40 minutes ago were on their way to the county clerk's office for reporting.

If anyone thinks Silver is bad, you should see the predictions a Trumpster Southern Baptist pastor in my hometown had. He confidently predicted Trump would take California AND NY

Watching this in Europe. Almost too much. Biden is close yet not there. Please, let him win.

The Biden camp said a few weeks ago that Trump would look good early on. But once all the votes have been counted especially mail in, Biden would be on top. As the vote count continues it seems to be the case.

[quote] If anyone thinks Silver is bad, you should see the predictions a Trumpster Southern Baptist pastor in my hometown had. He confidently predicted Trump would take California AND NY

Yeah, but they aren't paying the pastor handsomely for his opinions.

Michigan waiting on Detroit and mail in. That’s good

Why is the Lincoln project so quiet?

R228 From what I've seen Sanchez has done everything right. It's not his fault Spain is so badly hit by the virus.

I said it before and I will say it again, Dems pandered way too much to BLM. It scared off millions of voters who couldn't separate BLM movement from the riots that fallowed. They became one in their minds because they happened on the same days same time as the protests.

R237 I think people are also spooked because even outside of WI, MI and PA it's a much closer race. And of course many hoped for Florida.

You guys are falling for so much disinformation and social engineering that I despair for the future. This election, like the one before it, is in the process of being stolen by Putin. There is nothing wrong with the Democrats and, as the Mueller report revealed, Bernie is on Putin's payroll, too. If you genuinely believe that the BLM protests popped up overnight, simultaneously, across the globe over the rather routine (for America) extra-judicial murder of a guy with a really sketchy past, you're a fucking fool. All of this has been machination after machination. Will you, please, start thinking critically?

He’s dirty

Lincoln Project cant do anything at this point.

MI at almost 50% in, Trump ahead.

But - Mail ballots are outstanding, and especially in Wayne Co. (Detroit area) so heavily Dem vote is still to come.

Sorry If repeat. Georgia is still in play. Metro areas are lagging. Especially ATL.

Kornacki: Some counties in MI and PA said they won't even start voting the mail-in ballots before this am.

Good lord, with all that's going on, all Twitter can talk about is some tranny that won a state senate seat. Who gives a fuck?

Waiting for Green Bay, then I'll go to bed. Eyes: bleary. Nerves: frayed.

R246 But the Lincoln project or Republican consultants so I’m sure they know a lot that they are not revealing right now.

At the end of the dat Trump's strategy worked: suppress black votes, skim 15 to 20% of the black male vote and get out the right-wing base. Among the right-wing base, all Democracts are liberal whether they actually are or not. Obama won because he sold hope and change. That is the only way we have a chance against those monsters. Otherwise even though they may suffer, they will still vote in the best interest of the right-wing base.

R250, the wokerati tranny obsession typifies all the reasons as to why Trump might win.

[quote] I said it before and I will say it again, Dems pandered way too much to BLM. It scared off millions of voters

R242, unfortunately for you, it seems like both the facts and the voters disagree with your statement as Biden is winning the national vote by millions of votes and he has flipped a hard-core red state (Arizona) blue.

There is a reason why Trump wants to stop the counting because he knows if all ballots are counted he loses. Read the tea leaves.

[quote] Trump's strategy worked

He doesn't really have a path to victory so I'm not sure how well it worked.

R251 Same. Does anyone know when we'll likely have NV, GA, WI and MI results? I think PA already said they'll need until Friday.

Anyone trying to put forth an argument that the Democrats did something wrong and that Trump appeals to "real America" is disinfo. Block, move on.

Because R240, they were playing the long con on us.

NC can count mail in votes which come in the next three days. They won't be done for a while and nobody knows yet how it's gonna turn out there.

[quote] Obama won because he sold hope and change. That is the only way we have a chance against those monsters.

If we can't sell hope and change in this year of all years, we've completely run out of both for life.

R253 Social Security is liberal, Medicare is liberal, Medicaid is liberal, civil rights is liberal, marriage equality is liberal, equal pay for equal work is liberal and, the violence against women act is liberal.

If the democratic party wasn’t liberal there would be no need for a democratic party. The problem with the Democrats is that they do not understand perception and messaging. They do not know how to collectively control the narrative. Republicans tax, spend, drive the debt into the ceiling, and then called them selves less government and fiscally responsible. They understand it’s not what you do but what do you say that matters.

Okay, this is it. This is going to be a long couple months, till jan 2021. This was the scenario that we did not want. This is what's going on. These early states calling it for trump, we need to double check too. We will not know tonight. We want to wait and have a careful count/recount.

FUCK!

Were I a Republican I'd be feeling pretty good right now.

I don’t think the Republicans feel very good right now because they know that once all the votes are counted Trump loses.

R265 Don't spread doom like that...

This is really the first time in my life of 50 years that my stomach was in knots and I felt sick to my stomach over an election. I am going to have to unplug from the world if Trump wins. I cant take 4 more years of this.

NV stopped counting and won't do any reporting until Thursday morning. I fear that will flip to Trump.

R255, for the past few weeks we've been told that Biden is anywhere between 8-10% ahead of Trump nationally, that he would flip a number of 2016 Republican states (not just Arizona) and that the Dems were going to take the Senate. None of that appears to have transpired, even if Biden does scrape a knife-edge victory.

BLM and identity politics are damaging the Democrats. There are ways of discussing race, gender and social issues without succumbing to the extremes of campus politics. The Democrats need to start doing that.

Same here R268.

Yeah, everybody quit the pillow biting. Go fix yourself a nice breakfast or go get one.

It will end how it ends. If you were looking for retribution, you didn’t have the right goal to begin with.

Nevada won't flip for Trump.

The Lincoln Project has been dropping a few stealth tweets this evening.

r268 you didn't feel sick to your stomach in 2016??

Jon Ralston sez sorry

how could Lindsey be on fox crying every night, win in a landslide? What the fuck? How were all those state polls in SC be wrong?

Even if Biden wins, what can he really do without the Senate? Executive orders? Gridlock in congress? Yes, far better than Trump but all my hopes and dreams for a better America are now crushed like a cockroach on the pavement.

R262, we did not. I loved the ads that pointed out the wrongs of Republicans but I think the people who voted for him doubled down instead of admitting to a mistake. However, as a Monday morning quarterback, the answer is we must sell people that we can make things better without the barrage of negative ads when people actually need healing not more negativity.

Me too, r268. I've been chewing Tums all night. This is unusual for me.

I hate identiterians, but what's hurting the Democratic party is #1 Putin and #2 absolute fucking morons like you who take every single bit of social engineering at face value.

I think people wanted a solid rebuke of Trumpsterism, R273, not necessarily retribution, and this election instead has been a nail-biter where a handful of really worrisome candidates won local elections. If Biden wins, it won't be a landslide, it'll just be him edging Trump out, with Trump pitching a huge fit the whole time and probably trying to ruin the country in titty-baby revenge.

That's why everyone is so upset.

R276's tweet for those without inline links on:

[quote]I deleted a prior tweet. Sorry, folks. I'm a bit punchy. I read a column wrong on SOS site the second time. It is clear that there are tens of thousands of mail ballots left to count in Clark. I'll get the # tomorrow (today) and report back.

At least that's something.

The rest of them should be lining up to apologize and all of them should be researching career alternatives after this R276.

Yea, many whites were spooked by the excessive BLM / woke stuff and headed for trump kool aid land in droves.....sad

Trump may lose R266 but Republicans have their Judges, the Supreme Court, and still control the Senate. All in all, it was a GOOD night for Republicans, in my opinion.

I think Biden can still pull this out. But the takeaway here is that about half of America is more afraid of a Democratic president than they are afraid of Donald Covid Trump.

That’s it for election results updates until 9:00 am on Nov. 5. Here’s what has been counted so far:

All in person early votes

All in person Election Day votes

All mail ballots through Nov. 2

Here’s what is left to count:

-Mail ballots received on Election Day

-Mail ballots that will be received over the next week

-Provisional ballots

Ballots outstanding is difficult to estimate in Nevada because every voter was sent a mail ballot. Obviously, not all will vote.

Okay, enough with the trolling.

The Democratic Party did not indulge in "excessive BLM stuff." Just stop it.

I can't seem to grasp why there's so many hold-out Blue counties - all the called Dump states are not close. Why? Why can't we get a final tally? MSNBC has shown we're stuck with BIDEN=224 and Dump= [FUCKING COMMERCIALS. These stations only care about profit.] Dump=213

So he actually DIDN'T apologize R283!

Just more shit about more shit he's going to peddle tomorrow to anyone who will give him validation. Not even worth listening to.

[quote]about half of America is more afraid of a Democratic president than they are afraid of Donald Covid Trump

Everyone did this in 2016 too, but it's wrong. Only about 65% of voting-age Americans are voting this year, we'll get a full number in a few days.

And only about 50% of those voted for Trump.

That means 33% or so of Americans like Trump. Not half. There's a difference.

R263, my point is that right wingers teach their children that all Democracts are liberals and liberals are evil.

R186 Shhhh, we're supposed to be crypto deplorable right now and say that black people are so stupid they don't know how to vote or that Latinos should be deported en masse (actual posts from the previous threads).

I like Ralston R291 and so does PollTroll, I think he does well, and he apologized for his mistake.

[quote]The problem with the Democrats is that they do not understand perception and messaging. They do not know how to collectively control the narrative.

They can but it's very personality dependent for Democrats. If a charismatic personality like Kennedy, Bill Clinton, Obama emerges as the Dem leader, they can push their message and the rest get swept up in their charismatic wave. The party basically doesn't have to move a lot of muscles and as a result, they are atrophied.

But if the Dems have a regular type candidate, their propaganda and messaging weakness bites them in the butt.

It pains me to admit but it may be true that the Democrats need to fall in love with the candidate, and then they deliver.

[quote]The Democratic Party did not indulge in "excessive BLM stuff." Just stop it.

Trust me when I tell you I know a woman who went on and on about the riots. She even said publicly she was switching from a Democrat to an Independent because she was worried about her safety and couldn't understand why all these cities were having riots. She blames the Democrats who run those cities. I know, it's Fox News talking point but she did say that.

I think the Democrats were a little stymied this year by not wanting to turn off the Sanders branch and the baby socialists, but also had to fight the incorrect socialist branding, and that was kind of a no-win situation.

It's probably partly why they didn't try too hard in Florida. If the "Democrat equals Che Guevara type socialist" propaganda was already in heavy rotation, might as well save your money and try for another state you can potentially win.

AP called Nevada for Biden a while back and are showing him at 238

This is really the first time in my life of 50 years that my stomach was in knots and I felt sick to my stomach over an election. I am going to have to unplug from the world if Trump wins. I cant take 4 more years of this.

I'm right there with you R268; pre-COVID, I can see that people like Dump because of the stock market & your 401K, but now? I know it sounds all "Mary!", but I am truly heartbroken about this and I really don't know what to do

OK, so this thread is entirely populated by keyboard mercenaries posting through Indian VPNs. Cool. Talk amongst yourself, komrads.

[quote]Trust me when I tell you I know a woman who went on and on about the riots.

So what?

I will rephrase.... But the takeaway here is that about half of the actual voters in America are more afraid of a Democratic president than they are afraid of Donald Covid Trump.

I was so stressed I ordered from 7-11 and had a pint of Netflix & Chilled and some Sour Cream and Onion Pringles. I haven't done that in a while.

R269 Nevada won’t flip to Trump. Over 150,000 Californians have moved here in the last few years. Year-by-year it’s becoming more of a liberal state.

Ralston is just peddling meaningless, incorrect, unsubstantiated made-up shit R295.

You're obviously the target audience if you believe a word of it you dummy.

[quote] There are ways of discussing race, gender and social issues without succumbing to the extremes of campus politics.

The fact that you're obsessed with college kid politics instead of pandemic deaths, a president supporting a regime that puts bounties on American soldiers' heads, etc. tells me all I need to know about you, you moron.

I think you're in for a surprise tomorrow, my darling.

What are you talking about R301? Time for you to go for a long walk.

This election could have been President Sanders seeking re-election, except for Hillary being a spoiler,

The media has to keep the horse race scenario going for ratings. Then when things change they can act like it was a big surprise. That’s their game. It’s the news cliffhanger.

[quote] AP called Nevada for Biden a while back and are showing him at 238

Actually, it's AZ that AP called for Biden which is getting him to 238. They still have NV as skewing toward Biden but not final.

R270, you do realize without the black voters Democracts are done? Which is why Trump targeted black men to dilute that voting block. Unfortunately a lot of black people because of voter suppression and despair did not vote. I am very angry with my folk for giving up.

Well, I think it’s time for me to try and go to sleep— at 6:30 AM, ha. Thanks to all the poll trolls and those with substantial electoral wisdom. I have to say, I feel better now than I did 4 hours ago. Hoping when I wake up I can exhale.

I know someone like the woman r297 describes. She is registered as an Independent who said she thought about voting for whoever ran against Trump. But the rioting this summer, particularly in Portland, made her afraid. And so she voted for Trump.

I hate to say it, but Fox has a pretty nice tracker. And they are giving Biden Nevada as well. BBC is mirroring MSNBC

A lot of black men voted in Nevada. And I mean a lot because I was working the polls for 14 fucking hours.

Why would Nevadans vote like Californians if they had fled the state to escape it?

R317 Because they are not pieces of shit turds!

How in hell did Lindsay and old lady Collins win? not fairly im sure. Dems gotta get dirty...

There is a whole macho thing with black men that identify with Trump, just like white men. But I dont get it because at least the white men are voting in their self interests, the black guys are actually voting against theirs. Unless of course you are a rapper making over 400,000 a year.

Are you dense r317? If they left because of politics, they would be in Idaho

Already, without final tabulations, Dems look screwed. I just don't know WHY we can't seem to tabulate key Dem strongholds? This delay underlines that we don't have our shit together! Only Fux has called it for Dump. What the hell CNN and MSNBC? Why are we held up!? These two stations have been STUCK on 224/213 for frigging HOURS! Can they please get their shit together!?

CALL IT ALREADY! You know which counties lean right or left! CALL IT then FFS.

Things are moving in Michigan too. Looks like Biden could really win that one too.

r319, every vote made in person can be flipped. Many hundreds of thousands have been tonight. This is why Putin went hard on destroying mail-in voting. They are tabulated differently.

Fox online hasn’t called it for dump. That morning show is not news, duh.

the fox and friends assholes should be sent to siberia.

Hasn't Dump alr already declared he won?

America really is in far deeper shit than I thought possible. Fox, Twitter, and fundamentalist Christians aren’t letting go any time soon.

r328 = Boris

R317 Californians like me are moving to Nevada because of the cost of living is lower. Not because we lost our moral liberal compass.

it was actually enlightening to watch Fox News last night. It was the first time I done it for longer than 1min. I got a feeling that they were not only expecting Biden to win it pretty easily but they actually wanted it to happen badly and still do.

They seem to care more about Senate races and when they called AZ for Biden they even stopped pretending and turned on Trump quickly.

I think they want Biden to use as a punching bag over the next 4 years.

[quote]Already, without final tabulations, Dems look screwed. I just don't know WHY we can't seem to tabulate key Dem strongholds? This delay underlines that we don't have our shit together!

Cut it out. People have been talking everywhere for weeks that some results may be late.

People explained the Red Mirage.

They told you not to freak out if the votes aren't counted by early morning.

[quote] Fox online hasn’t called it for dump. That morning show is not news, duh.

^ That was me. For that matter, I think Morning Joe has been pulling some punches too. But Kornaki is being conservative with his numbers.

Detroit helped. Didn’t flip

Fox News is not going to call it for Trump simply because he wanted to Declare himself the Victor because they know they would have to eat crow later on.

California and NY should probably secede if their voices arent being heard and stop paying for shitholes like oklahoma — howvere obvs Putin wants that and he is in this for the long term, he wants to break up america

Red mirage. Nice phrase Joe.

Something fishy about all this, losing so many senate spots, Drump winning more than expected. Maybe they have figured a way to hack the damn machines. Something is not right...

The Democrats didn't disassociate themselves from the extremes of BLM in the minds of many voters, r289 and they did indulge a lot in the "let's make all whites feel guilty" stuff.

This 50/50 dead heat, too close to call bullshit is so old and so Bush/Gore.

r338, they've been hacking the machines since 2000. Look up Bev Harris and Black Box Voting.

r339 = Boris and Boris, you're really fucking tedious.

All right Datalounge friends and enemies, I'm headed for bed.

Please remember to ignore the doomsayers and the people who are trying too hard to get into a fight with you. Check poll numbers online before believing cable news summaries.

Stay calm and remember that we already knew before Election Day that the in-person votes would skew Trump and be counted first, and it would take longer to get the mail-in votes which skew Biden.

Don't give up hope! It actually looks very good for Biden, don't forget that.

[quote] California and NY should probably secede

Support for California and New York secession is growing with people in the other states.

Ok. Maybe I need to lay off coffee. I’ve been sitting here calculating the total votes available based on reported totals and the percent in.

700 = .93*X. X=700/.93

I am calm. But I quit the wrong day to stop sniffing glue.

So is there realistically hope?

Because none of my texts from friends in Europe seem to suggest so.

[quote] This is why Putin went hard on destroying mail-in voting. They are tabulated differently.

Oh, cut the crap. You’re as crazy as QAnon. Dems need to take responsibility and walk the fuck up. The US is an evil shithole.

Picked

Shup up you idiot r322.

They will call it when the votes are counted. Everyone who was paying attention knew it would take awhile, it been talked about for months.

If Biden squeaks by he needs to find a ruthless Trump hating AG to replace Barr.

With all the Unitary Presidential powers, he needs to go after the Republican Party and the Russians.

The Dems should investigate every damn senate seat that they shoulda won. ... but they wont. .. alwys pussys.

I am also getting more suspicious. Could all these pollsters be so either "stupid", "wrong" or "intentionally misleading" for second time? Not just small errors but like completely off???

We don't know the Senate result in Maine yet, R338.

Also undecided: NC (though Tillis ahead), and the two GA races (one goes to runoff)

R345, there is realistically hope. A lot of the mail-in votes that haven't been counted are from counties that favor Democrats, at least in Pennsylvania.

[quote] Because none of my texts from friends in Europe seem to suggest so.

Why would they have better information about the state of the race at this point?

R345 European media are reporting in a way they're used to from their own countries, where things usually don't take days and don't change as dramatically as they might do in the US now. At least in my country I noticed that they were acting during the night like Trump has very very likely won this election only to track back later on, when they realised that the mail-in votes could change everything.

[quote]So is there realistically hope?

For god's sake, YES.

We all knew the mail-in vote would take a while to be counted and those votes lean blue.

How has everyone forgotten this? Or are you just pretending to forget?

Of course there is realistic hope. Biden is likely going to win.

R351 It's suspicious. but it can also be explained away by the arrogance that comes from people who think what they're doing is a science when really their methodology is so outdated that it's understandably skewing the results.

Traditional polls just need to be done away with completely.

It's the Russians stupid.

[quote]We all knew the mail-in vote would take a while to be counted and those votes lean blue. How has everyone forgotten this? Or are you just pretending to forget?

This has been the story on this thread all night. Ever since Trump took lead in FL, every 5 min someone would pipe in "Trump winning, it's over."

People, there's a LOT of mail in vote and we even haven't started with the lawsuit shenanigans. It's not a normal election where you get the election called by 11 pm.

Same thing happened in the 2018 midterms. The media was all doom and gloom the morning after, and then had to eat crow when all votes were counted. We're clearly not getting the midterm outcome but nothing is over, it'll take days.

R351 - EXACTLY. These GOP thugs cheat in plain sight (too many to list from the last few months of the Dump campaign alone); Biden's legal team needs to verify votes in battleground states - period. I fear that a ton of mail-in ballots were tossed and who knows about the in-person tallies. Remember all of those Texans who actually voted Beto but were recorded as Cruz? Not a coincidence.

If Biden wins NV (likely), WI, and MI, he has 270 EVs, exactly. That is just way too close.

"It's not not my fault. It's the Dems fault I vote for a bigoted, ignorant, 6 times bankrupted, pussy-grabbing, cruel, incompetent, most stupid man who ever desecrated the Oval Office, who, oh, by the way, doesn't want to count votes."

r339 is yet another example of a member of the "party of personal responsibility" not taking responsibility for their own volitional act of voting for the despicable likes of Donald Trump.

Now, this election has has forced me to finally, and it took me long enough, accept that 2 things are true- I never want to here the phrase "this is not who we are", in the context of this country having to endure another heinous remark and act by Trump.

A vote by millions of Americans, even in the face of seeing with their own eyes, and hearing with their own ears how Trump has behaved over the last 4 years proves that, yes, Trump is who this country is.

And 2, Trump knows this country better than I, in my idealistic, rose-colored glasses ever ever did. And I'm a woman of color, so saying that is saying something.

R362 He might also win PA and even GA. It's not like most mail-in votes will be for Trump.

[quote]Same thing happened in the 2018 midterms. The media was all doom and gloom the morning after, and then had to eat crow when all votes were counted.

I've been trying to remember the exact reason why this happened in 2018 but can't remember. I just remember the part about them all going, "Well, I guess no blue wave." and then it changed to a blue tsunami. WTF is wrong with them? They give the cheating its narrative base. Fuck them.

R307, I'm not obsessed with college kid politics, I was saying that BLM politics and the whole "LGBTQQ2SIA+++ community" (which is damaging to gays and lesbians above all) stuff in normal times are mostly extreme campus politics that usually stays on campus and which people mostly grow out of. In the past few years, however, mainly through the use of social media, this kind of extreme campus politics has tried to turn itself into the mainstream. Democrats and the media have felt they had to pander to this kind of crap because it's so prevalent in social media, they think that's what the majority adhere to, especially the youth. In reality, however, most people - and on the left - are sick of that kind of stuff. I mean, Elizabeth Warren saying she'd have a trans kid approve her nominee for Education Secretary is just college kid stuff, right?

You need to ask yourself why the Democrats have not managed to sweep this election, despite pandemic deaths, Trump, etc. I'm not American, I don't like Trump and I would much rather Biden won, but, looking from the outside and hence perhaps with a certain degree of objectivity, the Democrats allowed that kind of politics to dictate their strategy and weren't critical enough of it and it also distracted them from developing serious alternative policies on the economy, health, America's place in the world, etc.

I look at Joe Biden's proposals and all I see is waffle and generic slogans written to appeal to people who are already committed Democrats. His proposals are especially missing a serious, credible economic policy.

Biden picked up +4000 votes in Green Bay, only Kenosha mail in ballots left

Della, why are you regurgitating Russian talking points?

No matter what happens w/ the election, one thing is crystal clear- we are in for the long haul with COVID. The majority of American people are really just that willfully stupid and obstinate, and even a new president changing the approach isn't gonna do squat.

We were all warned that election night itself would end with a “red mirage”—the map would look like Trump and the GOP have won.

In some battleground states, over a million votes, much of them early and absentee still need to be counted. Some states don’t even allow starting the counting of early voting until the day of the election.

The good news is most of those will trend Dem.

Stop going nuts. Biden’s got this.

Meanwhile, Trump's lead is down to 1.2 points in Michigan with a lot of vote left. May not be particularly close.

The problem with polls has always been the same: high-quality national polls vs low-quality state polls. Obviously this is a recipe for disaster when we're talking about this convoluted, undemocratic electoral system where the votes of a couple thousand people is all it takes to override a +2m lead.

r366 = Oleg

R365, because states with mail-in ballots like CA counted votes for days, and then had House seats flip to Democrats.

#361 you damn right, Repubs cheat by every and all means available, Dems would faint if they knew the 'Dade county' tricks that the Repubs pull...

r372, try again. The problem wasn't the polls. Just like it wasn't the polls last time. Hasn't been the polls since 2000. Scrape those brain cells together and try to figure out what the problem actually is. If the polls are right, but the tallies are different...

Well, I am definitely up for the rest of the night in California, so happy to pass the time with all the other night owls on here. I fell asleep on the couch for about an hour and a half after Trump's stupid speech and that sort of revived me. I'm watching horror movies on Shudder.

No matter what happens w/ the election, one thing is crystal clear- we are in for the long haul with COVID. The majority of American people are really just that willfully stupid and obstinate, and even a new president changing the approach isn't gonna do squat.

You're right; it's way too early to armchair quarterback this whole thing, but I kind of wonder if the appeal of Dump to some people is that he blows sunshine up their asses about how happy days are just around the corner in regards to COVID, rather than the grim truth that we are in for a long slog

Is Kornacki on adderall? he been goin full steam for lots of hours....i love him.

R336 I'm pretty sure these "campus politics" are what the majority of young voters think is relevant , though. It might have frightened off some older democratic leaning voters, but on the other hand might have mobilised some of the voters that actually are in college. Getting young people to vote was always a challenge. Do we know yet if focusing more on younger voters' concerns actually resonated with them and got them to vote for Biden?

With no blue tsunami in Senate, should we start volunteering/donating to Warnock's runoff in early Jan?

Joe Scarborough is bullish on Biden. It's freaky to have him play the cheerleader, and not Mika.

R366, of do shut up.

Most people voting for Trump aren’t particularly paying attention to policy or likes his veiled white supremacy stance.

Dems are the party of equity. Live with it

R376 OK then, how about sharing some of that tinfoil-flavored wisdom of yours?

R366, Jesus fucking Christ. Brevity is your best friend. So many words, so little substance in that word salad of yours.

R380, the GOP’s crazy evangelicals are a strong voting block. So the GOP is totally fine with whatever they want.

The only problem with Dems and “college politics” is that the Dems have to convince these young people to vote

Michigan Sec of State says Michigan vote could be available tonight.

Any chance in hell that the Supreme Court would go against Trump when he challenges this?

Yea, joe's coke kicked in. go joe ! mika need another bump. or whatev kornacki is on....

Let's clean this up, Kenosha

[quote]With no blue tsunami in Senate, should we start volunteering/donating to Warnock's runoff in early Jan?

The GA runoffs (if the other also goes there) will be a national affair. If the Democrats don't decamp to GA to campaign heavily, they'll be committing political suicide.

Kenosha absentee ballots have Biden net gain of 9k. Biden will win WI for about 20k

R389, thanks for the laugh!

Blocking insidious troll R329 reveals a posting history that consists of 90% of his posts accusing Dataloungers of being Russians (Boris etc.)

WHAT a fucking idiot. R329 should be permanently banned from DL.

Kenosha absentee ballots give Biden a net gain of 9k, Biden will win WI for about 20k

R373 = typical example of why the Democrats didn't take the Senate, Trump could still win and even if Biden wins it will be a razor-thin victory.

If Identiterian Twitterati were enough to skew the election, there would actually be voluminous push back on Twitter from people who oppose them. Rather than a couple hundred rad fems being banned from the platform for stating Only Women Have Cervixes. Clearly, there is not massive push back against that contingent and certainly not enough to sway an election. But that does sound like a convenient argument coming from a coalition who wants to move the Democratic Party to the right. In your other posts, you and your sock puppets argue that no, the Democratic party needs to move to the left, needs to get rid of all the actual Democrats and make Russian agents like Bernie Sanders and AOC the new leaders. So, your ongoing objective is really just to try to alienate people from the Big Tent party and sow chaos. Right? Has your potato turned into vodka yet?

Anyone found to be tampering with or destroying ballots should be sentenced to life in prison or the death penalty.

My 17 year old son just asked me about the Supreme Court, lol.

I know it’s early to discuss. Florida in 2000 was about trivial shit like the hanging chad. Except for Kavanaugh, I don’t see the court coming out against counting legitimate votes. Even Gorsuch.

Biden is up 20k in Wisconsin and Trump is out of places to make that up. Biden is going to win that state.

Great.

It's really sad that the election is even this close. So much for a referendum on Trump or a "blue wave." I don't understand the “Trump voter” and how so many people in this country are for this buffoon.

Hi. Just waking up. If Biden wins WI, what does Trump need?

Looking great for Biden. Russian trolls there’s no point trying to say otherwise- go back to your shithole country full of drunks and whores.

Almost a billion dollars thrown against the repubs in this election/ senate and all.....yet, nothin....Perez must go..

R380 No it's really not. I'm in the age range you're thinking of and trust me all that shit is regulated to the kind of losers who live their life on twitter. Most men my age have no idea what the fuck is going on with identity politics.

R402 I think PA, MI and of course the likely red (but not secure) states NC and GA.

Biden 0.7% ahead in WI. - Steve saying it's the same as Trump's winning margin in 2016.

[quote]If Biden wins WI, what does Trump need?

A brain transplant.

Why even bother R408? Dump needs an assignation.

r404 = Ninotcka

Michigan r402.

Biden is going to win Nevada and Arizona, so he only needs Wisconsin and Michigan to hit 270 (exactly)

Wisconsin seems pretty good, so all eyes turn on Michigan.

Stupid Slovenian prime minister already congratulated Trump

I haven’t checked my state - MI - since before I went to bed. It was depressing.

R405 Thanks for the feedback. I just see a lot of very young people on social media (ages 14-20, so mostly not voters yet, but in a few years and I don't expect them to change that much until then), who are very invested in identity politics, even though they aren't even that interested in politics otherwise, but rather k-pop twinks and comic films or something like that.

There are some people who vote just to “own the libs” whatever that means and because of where they live, their vote counts more. And evangelical christians are essentially talibans.

Check again r413. Michigan is currently tied, and we have every reason there there are more blue ballots left than red.

Biden is in a very good position.

R412 Pimp sometime cum too soon.

R145 - Donnie Jr. told supporters to vote and "make the Libs cry again".

Biden has won more votes any prez candidate in WI history.

Folks: Joe Biden just won Wisconsin.

I've been waiting forever for prime time to be shut off so I can say GOD, I HATE THIS NIGHT!

I meant R415 in my post above @R418.

R416 Wow! Thank your!

*you

For me, if it's true... Black Lives Matter has lost A LOT of credibility because they were unable to pull out the Black male vote. I don't want to hear about racism, etc. If these Black males could not come out to vote after this mess then I say fuck them. I feel the same way with women when it comes to the abortion issue. If they are unwilling to fight for their own rights and welfare then why should I fight for you?

How about you easy mark morons stop distracting from what's important, the election fraud that is taking place at this very moment, and stop parroting the bumper sticker phrases the Kremlin prints out?

The polls were right. The Democrats did nothing wrong. Half of the country are not actually brain dead Nazis. So, what can you conclude from those facts?

r424 = Svetlana

I think the word your looking for is relegated r405

[quote]Wisconsin seems pretty good, so all eyes turn on Michigan.

Hoping for a good margin there to help Peters win his Senate seat.

agreed, fraud and theft of ballots is what won it for republicans, nothin else.

I see R424's post and all I hear is Charlie Brown's mother talking.

I thought received wisdom was that at this point Trump was going to be in the lead and we had to wait for all the other votes to be counted. The fact that he's behind in both electoral college and popular votes is surely significant? Especially that he claimed victory without any lead at all?

Nice to see them praise Kornacki for his work, even old Woodward calling him awesome.

Betting markets have all shot back to Biden as heavy favorite to win.

A winner should only be declared after all votes have been counted and that means the millions of absentee, mail-in-, and drop off boxes votes. Until then all the nail-biting drama just benefits the entertainment news media.

[quote]Most men my age have no idea what the fuck is going on with identity politics.

I'm not convinced you're the voice of a generation.

Woodward is hitting on Kornaki.

I think they went home at some point last night in ATL and are coming back in now. Maybe that will help Ossoff. Would be a senate pickup.

Sad that the winner of the popular vote was never in doubt. That fucking Electoral College has got to go!

And without control of the Senate, McConnell will still block everything. Then people will claim that Biden is the reason things aren't getting done and will run out and vote Republican again. Wash/Rinse/Repeat

It’s looking good, boys. Real fucking good. Mighty Joe Biden is about to take this shit!

Why does everyone assume that black males didn't vote?

If Biden hits at exactly 270, Trump will fight.

omg, imagine Woodward on his knees for our Steve....

Woodward really sucked Kornacki's cock for several minutes there.

Separately: Steve has gotten quite plump!

You are right the Senate doesn't look promising, but lefts focus on the positive. Getting rid of Trump is huge and it looks like we will. Enjoy this probable victory.

Michael Steele now on MJ is the second person tonight saying that the Democrats lost the plot on the 'socialism' disinformation among Latinos. The other person was a Latino guy from FL (didn't catch his name). Both asking why the Dems didn't go on the Hispanic radio stations to counter this propaganda aggressively.

Lesson: Go on the media the electorate listens to and aggressively attack every piece of disinformation. Just like Mayor Pete does on Faux - he's got that right.

r442, he practically was. I bet they're gonna have an intense private Zoom meeting later today.

I get the feeling Chris Cuomo and Phil Mattingly can't stand each other.

[quote]Separately: Steve has gotten quite plump!

Even more separately: I can't believe Kornacki's EACK-sunt. I thought he was from MA, not MN or MI.

r445 and that's all distraction. It normalizes election fraud.

we love phil, to hell with cuomo and the rest!

Of course I want Biden to win and Trump gone but by not having the Senate makes a Biden win nearly worthless.

Bummer : ev time i flip on CNN i see ms Lemon.

I’d like Chris Cuomo inside me quite deeply.

A lot of the remaining votes are going to be blue. I think Biden has a real shot in MI WI and, to a lesser extent PA. Also NV is a likely Biden win. I am not sure about NC and GA.

Keep the faith, folks.

Don hit the wall this year, finally. He looks rough.

The Senate balance is still depending on uncounted votes. Michigan is close, and the remaining ballots tilt Democratic. Same with both GA. If Collins doesn’t break 50% - which she hasn’t - Gideon will gain ranked choice votes.

It may not be a Democratic majority, but it can improve.

Fox News is showing the senate 47 to 47. If the ATL results help out Ossof and the other guy wins the runoff, that would be 49 - 45, right?

Are any of the other contested senate races in areas waiting on counts?

We were told over and over that election night results would be skewed red.

there are millions of votes left uncounted, the majority of them blue.

Maine r457.

Given ranked choice voting Gideon is not ruled out yet.

Woodward saying there's serious talk among GOP to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the Bidens and their hundreds of laptops - I guess that's in case Biden wins so the maneuver will be in the lame duck.

[quote] Of course I want Biden to win and Trump gone but by not having the Senate makes a Biden win nearly worthless.

Chuck Grassley has got to be croaking any moment now -- special election things to consider for the future.

Interesting to ponder what woulda happened if mayor Pete was his VP... Pete had hella charisma and smarts.

I'm in front of my computer with a separate open browser window showing a live-update feed for each of the remaining states to be called. All I can do is to keep recycling through them. I am getting nothing done today.

AP is showing (and has been) Senate as 45 Dem/47 GOP. Who are the two extra seats Fox has as Dem?

Also, who is Kornacki fucking?

People relax. I thin Biden is favored to win. The senate is just a real long shot. Don’t know why Collins is winning. She was so down in polls.

r464, obviously, Bob Woodward, who nearly proposed to him on air just now.

Pete would’ve won by a landslide. God, I really fucking hate heterosexuals for what they’ve done to this country.

[quote] I want Biden to win and Trump gone but by not having the Senate makes a Biden win nearly worthless.

Not completely, he can at least stop the house from burning down, stop the tweeting, reverse ALL of Trumps executive orders, replace Bill Bar head of the DOJ with a real professional and all the other positions Trump filled with swampy friends.

Put Pete Buttigieg in charge of the DNC and take the Senate and increase House numbers in 2022.

Tom Perez has done an awful, lazy job. Even his Latino effort was dismal.

Hmmm

How will pollsters ever recover from this?

Wonder what old Barr was doing the last ten days when he was missing... going from state to state to make sure the Fix was in? Damned old crook .

Tom Perez needs to go.

Assuming NV, AZ and WI hold, Biden only needs one of the four remaining states: Michigan, Pennsylvania, Georgia, or North Carolina.

I'm having trouble gauging what the realistic odds are now for these states, but the NYT needle is showing a 64% chance that Biden wins GA and 86% for Trump in NC. Pennsylvania doesn't look that promising to me, even though I gather the remaining votes are expected to be heavily Democratic absentee votes. Michigan is similar (Trump lead but more votes for Biden anticipated) but much closer... I would guess that Michigan is our best bet now. And Trump only won Michigan last time by about 10,000 votes.

[quote] Pete would’ve won by a landslide. God, I really fucking hate heterosexuals for what they’ve done to this country.

Aunt Ida, is that you?

Perez is/was an abomination, thats known for sure.

[quote]I don't understand the “Trump voter” and how so many people in this country are for this buffoon.

Yes you do. It's a country where even a Democratic congressman will tell the sheep with a straight face that this is the greatest country on earth. No other stable country on earth is as invested in mythology as you guys. You see it on DL whenever it gets challenged here... you are irrationally defensive of your delusions about your superiority.

Meantime, the greatest nation on earth is slowly crumbly. You really think the half educated, gun loving, competition addicted mouth breathers want to do what has to be done to solve that or do they just want to vote for the guy that makes them feel good and stokes the fantasy?

That's the root problem. You believe your own bullshit.

AZ moved from not enough votes to too close to call. Biden is slipping.

r470 and anyone who believes Dump would have had a legit landslide victory without CV19 should just walk into traffic.

[quote]he can at least stop the house from burning down, stop the tweeting, reverse ALL of Trumps executive orders, replace Bill Bar head of the DOJ with a real professional and all the other positions Trump filled with swampy friends.

You forgot the main course: Trump, Ivanka and Jared revert to ordinary citizens and the lawsuits start rolling in against the crime family.

WI having Biden ahead before A SINGLE absentee ballot has been counted is good news not only for that state but MI as well, which has only counted approx. 16% of their absentee ballots and has Trump leading by less than 1%

Even Scott Jennings just observed you can see Biden likely winning.

Ugh, hope Biden still wins, but we clearly have a big neoNazi streak in this country, and I'm not sure what we do about it. Not getting the Senate is a big suck.

I don't think COVID was the difference between this and a Trump "landslide." Not to put too much faith in polls after tonight but they have been virtually unchanged for a year, before COVID. I think the real story is the fact that the virus made ZERO difference to Republican cultists who were going to vote for him no matter what. He could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and he wouldn't lose any voters.

If anyone doesn't know Jennings is a Republican bag man who chatters on CNN.

r471 how will you recover from the bone infection your krokodile addiction caused?

[quote]That's the root problem. You believe your own bullshit.

Fuck off Boris, every first world country thinks they are the greatest if you talk to the people there. Have you ever been to Denmark?

r484, you forgot to mention where the vote flipping from D to R factors into your "analysis".

r484, you forgot to mention where the vote flipping from D to R factors into your "analysis".

Well, something is VERY wrong, R470. Maybe it's me and a bubble that I live in rather than my thinking that it's "them."

Michigan expects it to take til end of today to count most of their ballots

[Quote]Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson says “hundreds of thousands of absentee ballots remain to be tabulated” and they will have a “much more complete picture” of Michigan’s results by end of the day

Michigan expects it to take til end of today to count most of their ballots

[Quote]Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson says “hundreds of thousands of absentee ballots remain to be tabulated” and they will have a “much more complete picture” of Michigan’s results by end of the day

biden won big....and they won the senate big,,,,,but alas the fraud tilted it all to Dump and his gang.

So does Biden have AZ or not? I thought it was already called for him.

I'm from Canada, R487. Attack me for that too. You just made my point. It's just true, guys. And there probably is no cure for it. It's in your DNA and it's holding your country hostage.

Probably not the day for that message though. A reflection of my disappointment for you.

It’s interesting that Trump thinks that the election has to be called just hours after polls close because he knows if the ballots are counted he’s fucked.

There is no expiration or timeline that all the ballots have to be counted within hours of the polls closing

R494 I think he has? Not sure what R478 is about...

Biden is leading AZ by nearly 100,000 votes. I don't know what R478 is smoking.

[quote]WI having Biden ahead before A SINGLE absentee ballot has been counted is good news not only for that state but MI as wel

Where do you get this? WI has counted almost all mail-in votes. There are some pockets but not expected to change much.

I am having a hard time understanding how people buy his shit, outside of his "base". But they do.

The important counties in AZ (Phoenix and Tuscon) are still tabulating with Biden ahead by about +5.

The Associated Press called Arizona hours ago. Ignore the troll.

It’s mind-boggling R500. The country is in shambles because of his catastrophic incompetence, and yet ....

R499 NY Times has zero results for absentee ballots.

Absentee ballots are still being tallied in Milwaukee, Kenosha, and other cities. Based on everything we’ve seen, those ballots will decisively favor Biden. Green Bay hasn’t reported *any* results yet. When all votes are counted, we’re confident that Joe Biden will win Wisconsin.

R500, I think they've given up. So they vote for the party they believe will cost them less in taxes and interfere less in their lives. It's bullshit. Republicans create hardship. But enough people have given up on the system they take the path of least resistance. It's easier, oddly, to watch a Republican burn it down than a Democrat fix it.

Absentee ballots are still being tallied in Milwaukee, Kenosha, and other cities. Based on everything we’ve seen, those ballots will decisively favor Biden. Green Bay hasn’t reported *any* results yet. When all votes are counted, we’re confident that Joe Biden will win Wisconsin.

That tweet is from hours ago. Here is a more recent tweet from that same guy. Most of Wisconsin is in. We don't expect the margin to change significantly.

That tweet is from hours ago. Here is a more recent tweet from that same guy. Most of Wisconsin is in. We don't expect the margin to change significantly.

If you look at the Arizona numbers, the counties that still have a large percentage of votes to count are the Democratic-leaning ones. The Rethug-leaning counties are fewer in number, and contain fewer votes overall.

Anyone remember how many EV Trump had during his speech?

If I hear Joe, Willy or Mika on Morning Joe say one more time "last night while we were on Peacock" I am going to pull out my hair! We got it, you have another show. Stop shamelessly plugging it.

Oh my God, America is shit. We really are. Not giving up on Biden, but the fact that millions of people look at Trump, STILL, after all his stupidity and nonsense and incompetence and oh yeah, 230,000 dead Americans, and say, yup, I want him. So pathetic. Such a shitty country.

how do i see peacock? i gotta pay more???

[Quote] Anyone remember how many EV Trump had during his speech?

EV?

I'm looking at the results being called by Associated Press. According to those, it's very tight in Michigan, where Trump currently has 49.3% of the vote (2,396,175 votes) while Biden has 49.1% (2,384,163). This is with 90% of the votes having been called.

Pennsylvania seems to be going Trump's way. From the results as currently called by AP, it looks as though Trump might squeeze through.

Just some reminders

ALL counting in WI, MI, PA, GA, NC, etc. happens under the watch of elections judges from both Republican and Democratic parties.

"97%" means 97% of precincts reporting not 97% of votes counted--usually precincts are relatively small, but many states are putting hundreds of thousands of absentee ballots into a precinct or two.

Those are absentee ballots in nation's largest jurisdictions. Likely Democratic votes from overwhelmingly Democratic areas. If you can do math like 64% of 300,000 you can get a feel for what has yet to be added to the existing reported counts in the different states still uncalled.

There are millions of votes that haven't yet been counted, tabulated, reported, or certified. Most of the states still uncalled (because of Republican-legislature rules) might yet be Biden wins--you don't know, and you have to wait.

Most of California's millions of popular votes have a long time to go before they can be reported, and Biden's popular-vote total will increase a lot.

Trump won Wisconsin in 2016 by 22,749 votes (0.77%) and Michigan by 10,704 (0.23%)--and on that basis won the Electoral College and governed as if he had a landslide mandate.

R515 Electoral votes

R504, they mean that the remaining tiny % consists of absentee ballots. Not that ALL absentee ballots of the state remain to be counted.

The son of bitch cheated his way to the top once again i fear.....Dems gotta learn some dirty trix asap.

I'm confused. People keep saying that the Senate is still Republican and nothing will change, but I just heard on news Senate control is now tied.

Is there still hope for a Senate flip?

Trump WILL win

Chuck Toad just said that while Biden is 100,000 votes down in Georgia, there are 400,000 votes in what he categorized as “deep blue” areas around Atlanta, and a few African-American counties. So Georgia is not over.

2 minutes ago: As of 5 am Pacific time, Kenosha and Green Bay have come in and Biden has a 20,000 vote lead in WI now. Next to nothing left to count per STEVE KORNACKI!

Agree with r495 and his or her post at r477.

And no, I'm not Svetlana.

I'm a staunch, partisan, big-government, tax-the-rich and spend like a drunken and sober sailor, fire-eating liberal American Democrat, and proud of it.

America always has loved its myths.

For example, the Haitians of the 1980s who risked their lives trying to leave an oppressive government (remember Papa Doc and Baby Doc Duvalier? ) were slurred as "Boat People", probably mostly by Cuban-Americans.

And yet, the Pilgrims, who instead of working to change things in whatever backwards European shire they came from, but instead, got on the Mayflower and came here, are revered by Americans, when, in fact, they were the first "Boat People".

Karl Marx, yes, I dare to refer to him, was right when he said religion is the opium of the masses. Allow me to appropriate from him to say denial is the religion of Americans.

Unfortunately, I agree with you R513. There's something VERY wrong! Or, maybe it's me...

The Senate is not going to flip, it just has not been officially called. Media is just leading you on to keep you watching.

Oh clair mccascall (sorry, spelling) we dont gotta 'do a gut check'.....we won but the fuks defrauded us of millions of votes/ ballots. Investigate every fukin state, find the culprits. Begin with the post office.

Have been paying attention at all r516?

What's left to count are heavily democratic early votes. We have been over this a million times.

I can't tell if people are clueless or trolling.

[quote] Trump WILL win.

Biden WILL win.

Wasserman's

So two things:

1) Biden is well on his way to flipping MI & WI (in addition to AZ & #NE02) and is doing well enough in PA's completed counties to be on track to win there

2) Polls (esp. at district-level) have rarely led us more astray & it's going to take a long time to unpack

Why is there so much political trolling on this thread when the facts can be easily investigated?

Biden will win Wisconsin.

tie, sup court gives it to kunty trump

[quote] Anyone remember how many EV Trump had during his speech?

The same as he has now. It hasn't really moved. The only difference is whether or not the place you're following has or has not included AZ for Biden.

Thanks for the clarification, r517.

Well I live on the west coast were all the states went for Biden. So my view is not all of America is shit, just most of the middle and south. But I have always though that so not exactly a revelation. They dont call it Flyoverstan for a reason.

As for Florida, it's full of criminals parking their money. From Trump to OJ to rich international drug dealers and Russian "business men" it's really is a shit hole state.

Agree Della, we have got to get out of this dream world. However this ends, this is a big slap in the face to all of us with the slightest faith in America.

R532, people trying to guess the outcome based on current votes called is not "trolling".

Some voters stayed home cause the polls showed Biden was favored to win so they thought they not needed.

MEDIA WANTED TRUMP TO WIN CAUSE HE UPS THEIR RATINGS.

It's crazy that OH is no longer even a "battleground" state now.

And FL is just Villagers, Cubans, and rednecks, so that was never going to happen for Biden.

If you don't understand that red votes were counted first and dem heavy votes are being counted later in those states you are spreading misinformation r538.

We just went through this Wisconsin, Trump was leading in Wisconsin for hours...until early vote started to drop in ur an areas and then he wasn't.

Della, you're a fabulist, whether you know or not. You're a myth in your own mind.

Is there still any path for Democrats to take the Senate? Once Ernst won, I got the impression that was no longer a possibility. I would love to be proven wrong.

Come on, Michigan...

R93, Phil Mattingly

R543 Depends on final results of remaining counties for Atlanta and surrounding area. If Ossof can pick up enough votes to create a runoff.

It may be a huge disappointment for most of DLers but you will need to accept that Trump will win based on projections

Wasn't Beto supposed to deliver Texas for Joe?

R543, there is a possibility though slight. Dems need 4 of the following to get to 50:

Maine (Susan Collins), 2 Georgia seats, Michigan, Alaska, North Carolina, Arizona

Those are not the projections, Boris. Millions of absentee ballots have to be counted and they will break for Biden.

trump cheated, We must press Dems to denounce the Repug 'wins' and investigate each state intensely.

I live in Wisconsin and there is less than a 30,000 vote difference between the two of them. We had a huge early voting turnout so let's pray that pulls it to Biden. Trump won Wisconsin by less than 1% in 2016. It's always close here...

Yea...Phil M....sigh

Off topic: John Berman looks fantastic. He is a gorgeous man. Looks like he'd be a lot of fun in bed. I've seen him in running gear -- beautiful body.

Trump will have to be hospitalized, he did so much blow to see this thru the night..

Look i don't know how many here are trolls and just trouble making, I'm from UK and I'm scared and worried so much. Please tell me there's still hope? I'm too numb to feel angry about that fact people are still voting for trump and it wasn't a blue wave but ill take any win at the moment and that means Biden in the white house. Even if he wins by hair, ill take it.

Dave Wasserman:

It also seems clear that while Republicans will pick up House seats, Biden will win an outright majority of the national popular vote and win it by significantly more than Clinton in both raw vote and percentage terms.

Biden just won Wisconsin!

[quote]Biden will win an outright majority of the national popular vote and win it by significantly more than Clinton in both raw vote and percentage terms.

If only that made any difference whatsoever.

true that.

Breathe r557. It's a close won, but Biden is on track to win and Trump is on track to lose.

R547 Fuck off to hell fucking uncle tom bottom bitch!

Sorry, r556*

Worth re-posting from Dave Wasserman:

Biden is well on his way to flipping MI & WI (in addition to AZ & #NE02) and is doing well enough in PA's completed counties to be on track to win there

I'm not seeing WI being called anywhere

Link to Wisconsin win? I’m not seeing it.

@Politidope This media focus (the "Dems in disarray" BS) deflects from one of the key issues: the media does not reflect the founders' vision of a free press as a sort-of fourth branch - an oversight of government. Media as entertainment will continue to provide a vehicle for clowns.

Trump’s speech last night will go down in history

I live in Wisconsin. It hasn't been called here...YET

R568 As what?

Yeah, how do you embarrass a man with no shame?

Read these uplifting tweets from Chad Griffin

Post office is burning ballots in the back yard as we speak....

This is, unfortunately, not surprising.

I did not feel as confident as the polls, because of anecdotal awareness that many who were voting for Trump stated they lied to pollsters and wished to sow disinformation by stating their preference for Biden.

Secondly, someone mentioned that their opinion of the USA has fundamentally changed given that a significant portion of the population supports a man (& other men like McConnell/Graham/Gaetz) with no honour.

I agree; however, this awareness is not new, for me. Things have been brewing (corruption, racism, greed, malfeasance, shenanigans, etc.) in this country for years. However, it’s been WHITEwashed with a patina of distortion, hidden agendas, ignorance, denial, and projection. The United States has mastered the art of distraction: “Look, over there! That ______ (fill in country of choice), is doing something ungodly and heinous!” All the while, similar issues WITHIN the US were covered up, secreted away and flashed with a false Hollywood façade.

Trump just blew things up: in all respects. Showing what was - and has been - really going on. Do we think an actor with dementia was fit to lead the country? And yet Reagan was considered a great president? Unbelievable.

This is not just an issue of Trump. It is an issue of the soul of the country. It brings into focus the question of who we are as Americans.

R568 I guess he will just challenge every single vote and claim it was all fraud until the end of time and his devoted followers will believe it, so... probably not that much of an impact in the long run.

A win is a win is a win.

Jesus, that's good, r567.

BREAKING- Fulton County Georgia expecting to begin counting absentee ballots at 8:30aET after stopping for the night at 10:30pET. An estimated 48,000 are still outstanding. Another 79,000 still not counted in DeKalb. They start counting at 11am #ElectionNight2020 #georgia

R572: is he high, Clairee?

Wow, this site was infested with trolls all night, even with primetime restrictions.

Trump's lead in MI is down to about 20k. What's left to count? DETROIT. Biden has a good chance of taking it.

Biden's lead in WI is about 30k, and there's nowhere left for Trump to pick up votes.

Biden's barely leading in NV, but they aren't done counting Vegas. Trump went to the courts *yesterday* to stop their count because he's desperate and knows it.

AZ is wonky. Biden might hold it, but it's hard to predict based on what's outstanding for absentees based on party ID.

Trump's lead in NC is about 100k, so it looks like it could hold. BUT NC is still accepting mail ins for a few more days, so it all depends on how many actually come in.

Trump's lead in GA is also about 100k, but some of what's outstanding are some fairly solid Dem areas. So it could be a squeaker.

PA is simply unknowable, at least for the next couple days. Uncounted mail in ballot numbers are huge and the GOP deliberately delayed that count because they are desperate and they know it.

So bottom line, Biden can absolutely win. And it could be with a bare 270 or a more likely 290, or as high as 306/321. BUT there's enough wiggle room for Trump to pull some shit in the courts, and he has a stacked federal judiciary/SCOTUS and corrupt pieces of shit as head of USPS and DOJ.

One advantage though about it appearing the Dems are not taking over the Senate is that it kills a lot of incentive for the courts to go out on a limb for Trump. They know without the Senate, Biden can't expand the courts, add states, or reform the EC. SCOTUS will stay 6-3, about 2/3 of the federal judiciary will remain GOP-appointed, and that's all they need right now. There's real incentive to dump toxic Trump and focus on 2022.

So, anyone yelling IT'S OVER is full of shit. Just like you were full of shit when you started yelling it 12 hours ago.

And no, Borises, no one was expecting Beto to deliver TX to Biden. And no one was expecting FL or OH for Biden. Those were always in the realm of "wouldn't it be a great slap in the face to Trump?" Yes, it's disappointing that once again this election will be close, but this is America--a nation filled with just enough racists and idiots to game a fucked up election system. There are no more landslides.

Nate Cohn:

If the PA SOS page is accurate, then there are enough absentee votes left for Biden to win Pennsylvania

My mother sent a photo in a group chat we are in with my sisters and my one sisters boyfriend of my 10 year old Brother holding a We Love Trump teddy bear with blonde hair. I went off and got attacked by all of them.

Yea, voters want entertainment in govt, guess trump has that,, biden jus to durn boring for the....asswipes collecting their welfare.

For those states that still have absentee ballots to count, keep in mind how the lead flipped to Trump for those states that were allowed to review and validate their absentee votes prior to election day. Consider Franklin County (i.e., Columbus) Ohio: absentee ballots that were received prior to election day were reviewed, validated and loaded into a machine (that is not connected to the internet). Though the ballots were loaded, no tallies could be pulled from the machine prior to the close of polls. When Ohio polls closed, Biden-heavy votes were released and Biden was up over 400,000 votes. After the rural deplorable votes were counted, Trump ended up winning. It just goes to show the drastic change that can result from the absentee ballots. Democrats overwhelmingly voted absentee over Republicans. This is the reason for the optimism that remains for a Biden win.

R582 We can't choose our family.

Nate Cohn:

It's really quite simple. Biden's winning absentee ballots 78-21. The PA SOS says there are 1.4 million ballots left to count. If that's true, then Biden will net-800k votes, more than enough to over take the president

R580 AZ was already called

I feel like in 2016 I could understand why people voted for Trump.

They thought he'd change once he got into office, they thought he would be more of a populist and actually follow through on things like infrastructure, they thought he'd shake things up as an outsider.... I did not agree with any of that, but I could understand how someone else might.

But in 2020.... they know who he is, how dangerous he is, how much of a despot he is.

I don't blame Trump though. He's just a useful idiot.

The real culprits are the Murdochs, for spending decades creating an alternate factual universe on Fox so that these people are essentially brainwashed. In their world, Biden is a creepy senile pedo and Harris is a Communist revolutionary who makes AOC seem like a Republican.

Jesus, I've been here so long, the Poll Troll has come, gone and come back again. Good morning, Poll Troll.

Part 6

Is Susan Collins still concerned and thinking about things?

I'm not getting my hopes up with the "mail-in highly Democratic" statistics. Seeing that this race is so close I'm not banking on anything.

R587 but Trump will likely challenge it.

Hi, R589. : )

Yeah, I was here for about 12 hours and then went to get 2-3 hours sleep.

I wanted to check what Dave Wasserman and Nate Cohn are saying, and it's looking encouraging for Biden so far based on their analyses.

I believe there is an upside to McConnell winning and the Dems not flipping the Senate

Mitch has far more upside from being the legitimate Senate majority leader in a Biden administration than from being part of an illegitimate Trump one.

R580 Trump will be challenging Wisconsin results for sure.

Why would he challenge AZ R594?

That was all same day, is in line with Senate race.

He was pissed that his boys at Fox called AZ for Biden first

How is Kamala Harris a socialist? Trump donated to her campaign twice.

[quote]Mitch has far more upside from being the legitimate Senate majority leader in a Biden administration than from being part of an illegitimate Trump one.

I don't know that this means.

And let's also be real--whoever wins any of these contested states, the other side is going to be challenging them.

Biden should 100% challenge too and everyone would expect him to

If polls had predicted a closer race, would that have motivated more Democratic voters to actually go vote?

The big winner: McTurtle. Very unfornately.

^unfortunately

Biden just took the lead in Michigan!!!!

[quote]How is Kamala Harris a socialist? Trump donated to her campaign twice.

I hear this for the first time now. I'm sure the Latinos haven't heard it at all. Shit like this should've been hammered into their heads by the Biden campaign.

Dems should grow up and play ruthless.

The momentum is in Biden's favor.

Who is this Jo Jorgenson picking off votes?

One thing I kept hearing last night but not a word this am: “No one has ever won the presidency without Ohio.”