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Dirt from the Star Trek: The Next Generation set

I just started re-watching TNG since it's on 24 hours a day. What was the set like? We have a number of tv show trivia experts here-- what do you know about this show?

by Anonymousreply 50210 hours ago

Wil Wheaton was a pass-around bottom.

by Anonymousreply 110/24/2020

Wesley Crusher was programmed in multiple techniques and a broad variety of pleasuring more than I was.

by Anonymousreply 210/24/2020

Patrick Stewart's bulge was so huge his costumes had to be specially made to hide the meat and veg, which proved difficult for the wardrobe department.

by Anonymousreply 310/24/2020

The cast seems to have gotten along well overall and become friends... once they got through the shitshow of the first two seasons.

by Anonymousreply 410/24/2020

Wasn't there an episode where you could clearly see Marina Sirtis' camel toe through her unitard?

by Anonymousreply 510/24/2020

There really isn't a ton of dirt with Star Trek: The Next Generation. Compared to the other casts (minus Discovery which reportedly are also very close), the TNG crew are a family and adore each other. Over 30 years later, they are still very close. If you follow any of them on Twitter, you'll see the get together often.

Here's what little dirt on TNG there is:

Denise Crosby left the show because she felt underused and wanted a movie career. That didn't pan out and within two years she was begging to come back.

Gates McFadden was fired at the end of the first season. Allegedly show runner Maurice Hurley couldn't stand her, felt she was too demanding: but there are also rumors that Hurley was harassing McFadden and fired her because she refused to sleep with him. McFadden has never really commented on those allegations, but has said that she was fired because she was too vocal about the crappy scripts.

Diana Muldaur was personally invited by Gene Roddenberry to become the new doctor. Muldaur was treated like shit by most of the cast (with the exception of Michael Dorn who was a huge fan of hers). Patrick Stewart was particularly rude to her because she had trouble memorizing the medical jargon she had to spout and resorted to cue cards which he felt was completely unprofessional. The other cast were pissed because Muldaur was making more money than all of them except Stewart due to her long career in television. Also the cast was pissed that Muldaur got a more comfortable uniform because she refused to wear the one piece uniform (Stewart had been pushing for a costume change since the first season). At the end of the second season, both Muldaur and Paramount agreed not to renew her contract. Gates McFadden was then asked back.

Marina Sirtis fucked Robert Knepper when he guest starred in the first season episode "Haven." She's talked about it several times over the years.

There was occasional tension between Sirtis and McFadden as they often had to compete for airtime. When McFadden returned to the show, Sirtis was allegedly put off that the hair and makeup department spent a ton of money getting McFadden real hair wigs and her own makeup artist, while Sirtis with stuck with an ugly synthetic wig. In fact if you watch the episode "The Price" there is the infamous sense of Crusher and Troi working out. On the bluray it was discussed that that scene was written because Sirtis and McFadden had been fighting and the writers were sick of it. They wrote a scene they knew both actress would hate as punishment. Both women repaired their relationship fairly quickly, but there has always been a sense that McFadden tires of Sirtis' fairly quickly.

Both Marina Sirtis and Gates McFadden almost didn't appear in Nemesis. Sirtis wanted more money and McFadden was uphappy with the size of her roles in the movies and didn't see the point of coming back. Paramount allegedly threatened Sirtis by saying they'd bring in Jeri Ryan to play a part (Sirtis allegedly said that not for the money you're offering she won't). Sirtis clearly got a figure she could work with, and Beverly's role was increased in Nemesis but most of her scenes were cut in the final edit.

by Anonymousreply 611/16/2020

[quote]Marina Sirtis fucked Robert Knepper when he guest starred in the first season episode "Haven." She's talked about it several times over the years.

Good for her.

by Anonymousreply 711/16/2020

Ryan has since said she would never have done Nemesis and it was foolish to think they could just drop 7 in the middle of the TNG crew.

Sirtis has vocally cooed that one of the perks of doing Nemesis was getting to lay underneath a half naked Tom Hardy.

by Anonymousreply 811/16/2020

Yeah, there really isn't any dirt on TNG because the cast are so close and they're kind of open books, they talk about everything on the convention circuit.

In all honesty, the Star Trek show with the most drama and gossip behind the scenes was Voyager.

by Anonymousreply 911/16/2020

Isn't the actor who played Data a massive, egotistical asshole? Thinks very highly of himself as an actor.

by Anonymousreply 1011/16/2020

R10 Yes, Brent Spiner does give off "asshole vibes" but actually I've seen him twice at conventions and he's more of a 'smart ass' more than anything.

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by Anonymousreply 1111/16/2020

WHET to Spiner's stalker ANNE DROIDZ?

Does she still take "Brent breaks" and show off her massive photo collection of Spiner? Including pictures of her pictures?

by Anonymousreply 1211/16/2020

I remember from some interview that Patrick Stewart squabbled with the rest of the cast for clowning around in the early days of ST: TNG.

He said he was a very serious, Shakespearian actor who demanded more professionalism from the others who liked to drink and pull pranks. He said Denise Crosby was the biggest prankster who liked to party and clown around, so they feuded.

He also said that he was in the wrong -- he should have lightened up a bit.

by Anonymousreply 1311/16/2020

Apparently a director came to guest on the series one of the first two years and said the actors were so unprofessional with their pranking and clowning that he would never work with them again. They almost got along TOO well, although r6 is correct there was some tension between Sirtis and McFadden (though they nothing but good things about each other now). I also got a sense that after the first few years they stopped pranking and goofing off so much because they realized they were getting reputations as unprofessionals. I've heard several of them say they were all on their very best behavior when Jean Simmons guest-starred in "The Drumhead" because they all revered her so much.

Patrick Stewart just adored Gates McFadden, and was furious when they fired her. He was probably the rudest to Diana Muldaur when she came on to play Dr. Pulaski, and even made her cry during shoots.

by Anonymousreply 1411/16/2020

For reasons unknown LeVar Burton use to jump out of nowhere and kick Wil Wheaton in his vagina. Apparently some of these were included in a blooper reel that Alex Trebrek saw. Alex laughed so hard that he passed out. From that point on he told the producers of "Jeopardy" to get LeVar to replace him if they can.

by Anonymousreply 1511/16/2020

Brent Spiner used to *date* Swoozie Kurtz.

by Anonymousreply 1611/16/2020

Yeah Spiner's shtick at conventions is to be deadpan and faux-pompous. He's quite funny and it's clearly an act, but there might be a grain of truth there. Who knows.

There's a bunch of convention videos on YouTube so you can get the dirt, such as it is, straight from the source. Not that they'll say anything too outrageous in that kind of setting, but you can hear funny stories about technical snafus or what they stole from the set when shooting wrapped.

by Anonymousreply 1711/16/2020

R6 said: "Patrick Stewart was particularly rude to her because she had trouble memorizing the medical jargon she had to spout and resorted to cue cards"

I think that's a common mindset of actors who come from the British stage. Memorizing lines is a big deal for them. Like, in their training, it's the most basic thing an actor should do but MANY television/film actors don't do it before arriving on set because of the start/stop situation of tv and film production.

I saw an interview with Martin Freeman (Watson to Cumberbatch's Holmes) and I don't remember the specifics but, he talked of how much he liked working with a particular actor on an American film because that actor also came form the British stage and was always preprepared so they could actually work on acting together in their scenes. Whereas working with actors with tv/film backgrounds its mostly them reviewing lines.

by Anonymousreply 1811/16/2020

It was not actually filmed in space nor in the 24th century.

by Anonymousreply 1911/16/2020

I think that was Kate Mulgrew's beef with Garret Wang as well. He apparently was regularly so poorly prepared that he was almost fired at the end of season 3.

by Anonymousreply 2011/16/2020

Interesting thread from a few years ago for those that are interested.

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by Anonymousreply 2111/16/2020

R14 Patrick Stewart was deeply upset by Gates McFadden's firing and did not go out of his way to make Diana Muldaur feel welcome. Diana Muldaur, to her credit, has never said a bad word about the TNG cast (she's from a generation of actors that never acknowledge issues with co-stars). She's talked about how she didn't like the show itself, but not about anyone on the cast. Also McFadden has actually said very kind things about Muldaur too, saying that Muldaur is a brilliant actress and that it's a sign of how bad the writing was that they didn't find a way for Muldaur to shine.

by Anonymousreply 2211/16/2020

Yes Voyager had the best gossip:

The Kate Mulgrew/Jeri Ryan feud is the stuff of legends (though the appear to have made up in recent years)

Kate Mulgrew and Robert Beltran allegedly screwed around sometime late in season one or early season two.

Kate Mulgrew also had fling with Winrich Kolbe who directed the pilot.

Robert Beltran doesn't really get along well with most of the cast (he's also a Trumpie apparently as is Roxanne Dawson).

Jeri Ryan was in a relationship with producer Brannon Braga (she dropped him the minute the show was over).

During the early seasons of the show, Garrett Wang would frequently show up to work still drunk from partying the night before and not knowing his lines. He was suspended from the show for two episodes in season 3, and his character was set to be killed off to make room for 7 of 9. It was only because Wang was named one of People Magazine 100 most beautiful people that UPN insisted Producers keep him.

Jennifer Lien was doing drugs and the decision was taken to fire her since they couldn't fire Wang.

Kate Mulgrew nearly left the show at the end of season 6. Her contract was up and she was miserable on the show, plus she was having trouble with her sons, but she stayed for one more year only for the money.

by Anonymousreply 2311/16/2020

That's not surprising to me R23 Beltran & Dawson have both given interviews (to The 700 Club types) about how Hollywood ignores the religious community.

Beltran can't go long on his twitter feed without mentioning something religious (Voyager showed his character's religious customs as well those of Torres played by Dawson).

I guess they've never watched any of the now thousands of Christmas episodes/films on tv networks (especially Hallmark) who does Xmas in July of all things.

by Anonymousreply 2411/16/2020

R23 & R24 Dawson became a hardcore Catholic during Voyager. Prior to having her daughter (during season 4 of Voyager) she had suffered a number of miscarriages. She saw her daughter as a gift from god....and then become super religious.

by Anonymousreply 2511/16/2020

R23 Marina Sirtis I believe was the one who spilled the beans about Mulgrew and Beltran sleeping together. Allegedly, it was after this that their relationship went down hill coupled with Mulgrew's attitude after Jeri Ryan was hired.

by Anonymousreply 2611/16/2020

Robert Beltran was so attractive when he was younger and now looks like Jabba the Hutt.

by Anonymousreply 2711/16/2020

Mulgrew and Beltran SLEEPING TOGETHER?!

A LESBO and a HOMO.

by Anonymousreply 2811/16/2020

I visited the STTNG bridge set once after filming was ended for the day. Looking around, I laughed at the ship's deck plans, which showed only one toilet on the Enterprise (adjacent to the bridge). I gathered from my host that it was a running joke amongst the cast that the lines for the john took up all of their characters' free time.

by Anonymousreply 2911/16/2020

R16 There's a person called Swoozie?

by Anonymousreply 3011/16/2020

I thought Beltran & Mulgrew had some chemistry. I might be wrong?

by Anonymousreply 3111/16/2020

0/10, R14.

Just eject yourself i to hyperspace.

by Anonymousreply 3211/16/2020

It’s quite funny that Marina Sirtis played such a kind, demure character when in real life she’s a loud, obnoxious cockney and a bit of a dick. I saw a video of the whole cast at a convention panel. Marina had obviously been drinking and would barely let anyone else get a word in edgeways. She’s prone to ranting, and has an acid tongue at times. The rest of the cast were kind of looking at each other and rolling their eyes, while Gates McFadden eventually challenged her on the bullshit she was ranting and they got into a low-key argument. I wish I’d saved the video, it’s entertaining for the wrong reasons. I imagine Sirtis must have been THAT co-worker who is always hard work and exhausting to be around.

by Anonymousreply 3311/16/2020

R33 don't worry, she's acted that way quite a bit at conventions, so people should be able to find an example easy. Bret Spiner did a mini series on YouTube "Fresh Hell" and what a damn shame it didn't take off! It was hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 3411/17/2020

Gates passed on the Beverly Crusher role multiple times because she wanted to do a play that conflicted with filming.

by Anonymousreply 3511/17/2020

Don't call me a dick or I will have you EJECTED into SPACE!

by Anonymousreply 3611/17/2020

Someone who worked with Robert Beltran early in his career -- I have forgotten who but I think it was Mary Wornorov -- said in an interview that he was an enormous pain in the ass. It was something shown on AMC before they aired NIGHT OF THE COMET, and I remember thinking that can't be right, he seems so charming, but then read an interview several years ago where he trashed Voyager saying it was "fascist," where he clearly meant liberalism was fascism.

by Anonymousreply 3711/17/2020

No Jonathan Frakes stories? He was so hot and looked damned good in that one piece uniform in seasons one and two. I used to always look for when he was profile to the camera because you could often see a good tenting of his cock outline.

by Anonymousreply 3811/17/2020

I love these Star Trek threads. WEHT Voice of the Night? He always had great Trek trivia and gossipy stories to share!

by Anonymousreply 3911/17/2020

Any PICARD gossip? I imagine that was a happy crew but you never know.

I remember seeing a convention video taken right before PICARD started shooting, and Frakes and Sirtis were very coy because they had signed NDAs. "I wish them well...I would be flattered if they offered me a role" and like that.

PICARD was enjoyable if you turned your brain off. The story was a mess.

by Anonymousreply 4011/17/2020

Kate Mulgrew would annoy co-stars with stories about Ryan's Hope. She would go on and on about ABC wanting to make her a Morgan Fairchild tyoe. She;d tell the younger actors soaps were a great training and legends like Helen Gallagher were needed on the show.

by Anonymousreply 4111/17/2020

R28 Yes there were rumors about Robert Beltran (though for the record he is now married to a woman has a biological daughter and lives in Germany). Kate Mulgrew, however, is straight no question. It's no secret she has an appetite for men. She's been married twice, has had three children by two different men, was almost the First Lady of Ohio (during her marriage to politician Tim Hagan) fucked Beltran, fucked at least one of the directors of Voyager.

R33 I think the argument you're referring to was one where Sirtis inferred that young people only get into acting today for the fame. McFadden, who also teaches acting at the college level, basically said that's BS. Marina has talked about this before, but the guys of TNG are kind of afraid of her and Gates often plays the "older sister" who ends up putting Marina in her place. I remember seeing on youtube once that Marina said when Gates tells her "no" that it's coming from the guys not just Gates.

R38 I have heard whispers that Frakes is bisexual and lived with a man prior to TNG, but that's just whispers.

R40 Actually, Patrick Stewart has admitted that he hasn't really gotten to know the new cast for Picard that well that he was looking forward to that in season 2 (whenever that films). Stewart actually had only met Jeri Ryan once before she reprised her role on Picard.

R41 Mulgrew allegedly didn't get on well with some of her Orange is the New Black co-stars.

by Anonymousreply 4211/17/2020

[quote][R38] I have heard whispers that Frakes is bisexual and lived with a man prior to TNG, but that's just whispers.

You've just jumpstarted my fantasies.

by Anonymousreply 4311/17/2020

Any insight on the marriage between Nana Visitor and Alexander Siddig? From a distance that relationship looked odd to me, like a marriage of convenience. But then again they had a son, and I never read of any rumors.

by Anonymousreply 4411/17/2020

R44 Nope it was not marriage of convenience at all. In fact, it sounds like it was more of a "hook up" turned marriage. Nana Visitor talked at length about their relationship in this 2011 interview. Sid had apparently had feelings for Nana since the first season, but neither were available. It sounds like one thing led to another and then Nana found herself pregnant. The marriage ended largely because Sid's work increasingly became more UK based, while Nana wanted to remain in LA. They are still on very good terms, Nana appears on Sid's weekly web chats often, and they are both happily married to other people now.

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by Anonymousreply 4511/17/2020

Frakes living with a man before TNG - is it OK if I imagine him with the beard? He was nothing without the beard!

by Anonymousreply 4611/17/2020

As far as Treks go, I think TNG has the least dirt. And I wish I was on this Zoom.

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by Anonymousreply 4711/17/2020

[quote] He was nothing without the beard!

LIES!

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by Anonymousreply 4811/17/2020

The beard made the whole damn show!

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by Anonymousreply 4911/17/2020

Denise Crosby claims she has no regrets, but I call bullshit. Her career went nowhere and she ran back to Trek.

Let’s ask this as a yes or no question. Did you make the right choice, leaving TNG when you did?

Crosby: Yes.

If you had the chance, today, knowing what you know now, to make that decision again, would you make the same choice?

Crosby: Yes. For me, I was miserable. I couldn’t wait to get off that show. I was dying. This was not an overnight decision. I was grateful to have made that many episodes, but I didn’t want to spend the next six years going “Aye, aye, captain,” and standing there, in the same uniform, in the same position on the bridge. It just scared the hell out of me that this was what I was going to be doing for the next X-amount of years. I think you have to take your chances. I was really young. I didn’t have to make house payments or put kids through private school or support people. I was free to make those kinds of decisions. I’d been in acting school really dreaming of playing all kinds of different things. Whether it’ll happen or not, you don’t know, but you’ve got to give yourself a chance. God forbid you go through your life thinking, “What if?”

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by Anonymousreply 5011/17/2020

She was no Michelle Forbes.

by Anonymousreply 5111/17/2020

If Crosby had stayed, Marina Sirtis would have been fired. Sirtis later got Majel Barrett to admit that, allegedly. And it would have been bad for Michael Dorn, too, since Worf had no clearly defined role.

Worked out for the best IMHO. For the show and the fans, if not for Crosby's bank account. But I looked her up on imdb and she hasn't done so badly.

by Anonymousreply 5211/18/2020

Denise Crosby's character was terrible and she is not a good actress. If she'd made it to the third season when writing improved dramatically, she might have been okay for the rest of the show, but honestly she and Wheaton were dead weight. McFadden and Sirtis also had characters who were poorly written but their roles as part of the crew were vital; Crosby was a duplicate, they didn't need two security officers on the show.

by Anonymousreply 5311/18/2020

They started out with too many characters. I wonder if they always intended to thin the herd.

Not that I want a reboot but it's interesting to imagine what would happen if TNG were being created today, with better writing and a more serialized approach.

by Anonymousreply 5411/18/2020

Famke Janssen and Michelle Forbes turned down roles on DS9. Famke turned down the role that would become Dax (who inherited the spots Famke’s TNG character sported) to pursue a film career, and Michelle wanted career diversity. Both actresses appear to have made the right decision in retrospect given their goals.

by Anonymousreply 5511/18/2020

Not that we done adore Kate, but allow yourself a moment to wonder what the show was like in the universe where they convinced Lindsay Wagner to play Captain Janeway.

by Anonymousreply 5611/18/2020

Lindsay's good but she's no Genevieve Bujold.

by Anonymousreply 5711/18/2020

Didn't Stewart demand a lot of rewrites in later seasons as he perceived Picard as an action hero and wanted more of that compared the more cerebral stuff of the middle seasons. It's also why the movies after Generations pivot heavier on the action scenes, especially with the character of Picard, compared to the show. I don't think he really understood what the show was or enjoyed what the show was.

by Anonymousreply 5811/18/2020

[quote]Lindsay's good but she's no Genevieve Bujold.

Thank god for that. No disrespect, because I've liked Bujold in other things, but the dailies that they released showed exactly why she was wrong for the part.

Honestly, just about any of the other actors they considered would have been better than Bujold. Well, except that they considered Patty Duke, and I just can't see that at all.

by Anonymousreply 5911/18/2020

Bujold seemed to be sleepwalking through her lines in the footage shown of her as Janeway. Very aloof and detached from the rest of the cast.

Duke would have been fun. "Sure I drink coffee. I gotta be on the bridge at 0500 hours. Sparkle, Katie, Sparkle."

Addressing the Kazon Maj, "Alright faggot...start explaining."

by Anonymousreply 6011/18/2020

That's very disappointing about Beltran - I also have seen some interviews where he has said shit like "Chakotay was GAY!" as if it were a slur. He's gotten the latter-day career and face he deserves , I guess.

by Anonymousreply 6111/18/2020

[quote]Bujold seemed to be sleepwalking through her lines in the footage shown of her as Janeway. Very aloof and detached from the rest of the cast.

She's supposed to have this long-standing friendship with Tuvok, and there's nothing between them that suggests that. She supposedly couldn't handle the dialog or the intensity of TV production, but it honestly doesn't look like she was even trying.

Of the other people they were after (they did audition a few men before settling on Janeway being a woman), Wagner is about the only one I would have seen as potentially better than Kate. Linda Hamilton wouldn't have been cerebral enough, Joanna Cassidy would have been just as aloof as Bujold (that worked in her favor as T'Pol's mother), and I think Kate Jackson would have come off as flighty.

I've always heard that they considered Lynda Carter, who would have been great, but I don't think that was ever officially confirmed anywhere.

by Anonymousreply 6211/18/2020

[quote]No disrespect, because I've liked Bujold in other things, but the dailies that they released showed exactly why she was wrong for the part.

That's the joke.

by Anonymousreply 6311/18/2020

I am having a hard time understanding why the dailies with Bujold could be published (I think as part of the DVD extras). They show the dailies and then some commentaries where Berman or some actors says that she was clearly not right for the part. How can stuff like that go public in an official Paramount release? I am assuming that Bujold gets a couple cents of royalties and that she must have consented to this footage going public. But why on earth would she consent to that? Are the royalties for this minute and a half so significant?

by Anonymousreply 6411/18/2020

I mean, they own the footage, so I doubt she had any more say in releasing it than one of the main cast would for a blooper reel, or someone who wasn't cast doing a screen test.

Beltran being Trump-y doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Apart from him being an asshole, I think I remember reading that he was a Lyndon LaRouche groupie in the 90s. That's REALLY not a big leap.

I don't know if they've ever come out and said, but I'd be very surprised if they didn't at least consider offering Michelle Forbes Voyager as well. Torres, at least before they made her bland, was VERY similar to Ro, and in her last TNG episode, Ro says something about one of her teachers leaving Starfleet to fight for his colony in the Maquis, and that was supposed to be Chakotay.

by Anonymousreply 6511/18/2020

The Voyager set was always drama.

by Anonymousreply 6611/18/2020

Lynda Carter would have made a kick ass Janeway.

She looks terrific now at almost 70 but 25 years ago she barely looked a day over her WW days.

by Anonymousreply 6711/18/2020

It would have been a true tit-off with Ryan and Carter.

by Anonymousreply 6811/18/2020

He ruined everything about Picard. He is exhibit A of why you don't let actors write their own roles.

by Anonymousreply 6911/18/2020

Sorry, there were some posts that hadn't loaded for me yet. To be clear: I was talking about Patrick "Picard Should Kill More People" Stewart.

by Anonymousreply 7011/18/2020

I never knew about Lynda Carter. She would've been interesting.

by Anonymousreply 7111/18/2020

They really, REALLY wanted Lucy for the Janeway role, but, well, Gary said "She's dead and even if she wasn't I would talk her out of it."

by Anonymousreply 7211/18/2020

R52 Yes. Had Denise Crosby stayed on the show, Marina Sirtis would have been fired and in season two you would have had Lt. Yar and Dr. Pulaski. Troi was written out of about four episodes in the first season because they just didn't know what to do with her character. She was saved from the chopping block because they had already planned on firing McFadden (because Executive Producer Maurice Hurley hated her) and it would have looked bad if they got rid of every female character during the first season. McFadden claims that when she was fired, her agent had been told one of these reasons was the producers felt there was one too many women in the main cast, that two female leads was more workable.

R55 The original plan for DS9 was for Ensign Ro to be promoted and made first officer of the station The episode "Ensign Ro" during TNG's fifth season was actually a 'setup' episode for the backstory of of the bajorians. It had always been intended for Ro to move over to that show, but the problem was they didn't include that in Michelle Forbes contract. So when time came to start the pilot of DS9, they had to open negotiations with Forbes and she didn't want to commit to a six to seven year run because she wanted a movie career. Ultimately, they created the character of Kira (which I think worked better because she wasn't in Starfleet) and they brought over MIles O'Brien instead. Interestingly, Forbes left TNG after season 5 but then made an appearance in season 7.

R58 Yes, Stewart wanted Picard to be given more action both in terms of fighting and in terms of romance. On the blurays, Ronald D. Moore talks about Stewart telling him once that Picard needs to buck and fuck more often.

R67 Outside of Lynda Carter and Kate Mulgrew, the other actresses who auditioned and were considered for the part of Janeway were: Linda Hamilton, Erin Gray, and Susan Gibney. Paramount wanted a name from the part and before Bujold, they allegedly offered the part to none other than Blythe Danner who immediately turned it down. Also another interesting fact: After Bujold left/was fired and Mulgrew brought in, Gary Graham was put on standby for the role of 'Eric Janeway.' Paramount was already wary about a female captain and after the failure of Bujold, they weren't certain a woman could handle the lead role, so they gave Mulgrew one week and if it didn't work out, Gary Graham would then play the captain. Robert Beltran would then have been fired and a new female first officer created.

by Anonymousreply 7311/18/2020

Erin Gray may have worked out well.

Danner would have been very inspired casting but I'm sure Gwyneth would have been totally embarrassed having a parent apart of Star Trek.

Gibney was already Trekked out.

by Anonymousreply 7411/18/2020

Bujold played Janeway, as TERRIBLY TERRIBLY VULNERABLE, which shows she didn't understand the material. Janeway was in a position where she could never ever look vulnerable and still do her job, and would have to spend most of the series hiding her feelings from the other characters rather than expressing them openly, which is something that most actors can't or won't do... but Mulgrew did. She got it.

Linda Hamilton might have been great, she can play cool and tough, but I don't suppose she has any regrets about doing movies instead. Erin Gray... NO. But Linda Carter?? Squeee!!! Some geek needs to do the world a favor and CGI Linda Carter into some "Voyager" episodes!!!

by Anonymousreply 7511/18/2020

Wasn’t Marina under pressure to lose weight?

by Anonymousreply 7611/18/2020

Wasn't everyone but Kirstie Alley under pressure to lose weight?

by Anonymousreply 7711/18/2020

No.

by Anonymousreply 7811/18/2020

No

- Bill Shatner

by Anonymousreply 7911/18/2020

Uh, obviously by "everyone" I meant the ladies. No man was ever asked to lose weight, not even John Goodman. Maybe astronauts had to make sure to be able fit in the space capsules or something, but that's about it.

by Anonymousreply 8011/18/2020

R76 Marina has talked at length that the only feedback she ever got from producers was to lose weight. She was at her thinnest during the final two seasons and that was because, according to Marina, her diet largely consisted of cigarettes and water.

R74 Susan Gibney was allegedly Rick Berman's first choice but Paramount thought she was too young (she was 33 when Voyager was casting). Bujold casting as Janeway actually stemmed back to DS9. When producers were casting from the role of Benjamin Sisko, Parmount wanted a name for that part. The two leading candidates were Pierce Brosnan and Richard Dean Anderson (Brosnan turned it down and allegedly Berman felt Anderson wouldn't have had the emotional range to pull off what was needed in the pilot). However, Berman and Michael Piller had always intended for Sisko to a black man and Avery Brooks was approached. When Voyager started casting, Paramount again wanted a name for the captain and Bujold was shopping around to do a TV series and she was offered Janeway with no audition or meeting with producers before hand. Bujold had no idea how a television show (let along a 1 hour sci-fi series) work and was appalled at the schedule requirements.

R50 Crosby always claims she didn't regret leaving the show, but it's an open secret that by about the third season she was begging producers to come back. And she has milked her 1 season appearance for every penny she can get. I do believe the TNG cast like Crosby but there is a different dynamic when she's appears with them.

by Anonymousreply 8111/18/2020

Only a few years after leaving TNG, Crosby was starring in a Red Shoe Diaries episode.

Embarrassing.

by Anonymousreply 8211/18/2020

Several of the actors who auditioned for the role of Commander Riker ended up guest starring on the show, including Billy Campbell and Christopher McDonald.

by Anonymousreply 8311/18/2020

Marina Sirtis had originally auditioned for Yar and Denise Crosby for Troi. Just about they were about to offer the actresses the roles, Gene Roddenberry decided that Marina would be better suited for Troi because he felt her looks were more exotic and alien and asked the actresses to switch roles.

Rick Berman had originally seen Gates McFadden in a play and wanted to cast her on the show. When Gates came in to read, the casting director said to her that there were three female roles and she could read whichever one she wanted. The scene for Dr. Crusher was the one from "Naked Now" where she is hitting on Picard. McFadden liked it because she thought the character was going to be funny. McFadden was the only actress seriously considered for Dr. Crusher but she turned it down twice before accepting. The major reason for this was that she was based in NYC and didn't want to move to LA as she was teaching in New York and wanted to focus solely on theater. When she was fired at the end of the first season, she moved back to NYC for the year.

by Anonymousreply 8411/18/2020

I rather with that Crosby had stayed, as Worf was one of my least favorite characters. Okay, he was better than Wesley or Data, but he was always on about Klingon politics and being a single father and his goddamn warrior's honor. The Klingon politics episodes are unbearable!

I liked Tasha Yar, and I always thought her hardscrabble background had the potential to give her some interesting flaws. Most of the characters were so perfect they were boring, Tasha might have added a touch of grit if she'd ever been developed.

by Anonymousreply 8511/18/2020

I loved Worf! He was my favorite character. Deadpan delivery with a sense of humor he grew into and later seem to enjoy as he became more comfortable in his role. He became more human in an honorable sense without betraying Klingon values.

I loved the Klingon political intrigue story arc, especially the Duras sisters.

My favorite line from any Star Trek series: In a very low-starred, scorned episode where the crew happens upon an M class planet that looks like Sherwood Forest in 'Ye Olde England, they are forced to adopt the dress and likenesses of Robin Hood and his band.

Worf: "I am not a merry man." 😂

by Anonymousreply 8611/18/2020

It turned out Worf was a DS9 character all along, and was just waiting to come into his own. If you've watched the documentary, Dorn thinks so too: he obviously adores the TNG cast, but he's clearly prouder of what he did on DS9.

by Anonymousreply 8711/19/2020

[quote]Several of the actors who auditioned for the role of Commander Riker ended up guest starring on the show, including Billy Campbell and Christopher McDonald.

That happens a lot. Erik Menyuk, who played the pervy Traveler, was a finalist for Data. Vaughn Armstrong and Jeffery Combs, who between them hold the record as highest record of characters played across the various series, both were in the running for Riker as well.

Bob Picardo originally auditioned for Neelix, if you can believe that. And of course, Denise Crosby and Marina had originally auditioned for each others' roles, when Yar was supposed to be a Latina named (sigh) Macha Hernandez.

by Anonymousreply 8811/19/2020

I always imagined Macha Hernandez still would've had the same outfit as season one Troi and be armed only with a switchblade.

by Anonymousreply 8911/19/2020

I just think it's funny that they would have considered Cockney, Greek, working-class Marina as a Latina, but then she's also spent her late career playing Israeli and Persian, so...

Ignore the fact that neither of Troi's parents had her posh Received Pronunciation accent.

by Anonymousreply 9011/19/2020

[quote]I always imagined Macha Hernandez still would've had the same outfit as season one Troi and be armed only with a switchblade.

Marina was on Twitter a few months back talking about her uniform from the pilot and how she had to sit with her knees squeezed together because you could see everything.

by Anonymousreply 9111/19/2020

Marina once said that she looked like an intergalactic cheerleader in the pilot.

by Anonymousreply 9211/19/2020

Roddenberry wanted Billy Campbell, but he didn’t audition well. Since Frakes was the #2 pick, and he reportedly worked hard at the audition, he got the part.

Campbell looked delish in his episode, The Outrageous Okona.

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Love their zany outtakes

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They had originally wanted Gerard Depardieu as Picard (since, you know, French), which....barf.

by Anonymousreply 9511/19/2020

The “Angel One” episode gets a lot of flack, but at least it had a lot of scantily clad guys walking around.

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Billy Campbell was so beautiful. Heck, he still looks good today.

Frakes has told the story about the "pep talk" Roddenberry gave him when he had to audition for the top brass to seal the deal. Instead of giving any acting notes or simple encouragement, Roddenberry gave a passionate speech about the better future that Star Trek represents. I guess it got Frakes pretty energized.

I also vaguely remember Frakes had some story about how Riker's particular way of sitting down started because his leg was sore that day, or something like that. Though I don't see how throwing your leg over the chair is any more comfortable. Anyone know the story?

by Anonymousreply 9711/19/2020

He has a bad back. You can also see him leaning a little even when he's standing up straight.

by Anonymousreply 9811/19/2020

Marina played a Latina rape victim in Death Wish 3.

She had zero lines in English.

by Anonymousreply 9911/19/2020

No mention of Marina's topless bull whip fight with Faye Dunaway?

by Anonymousreply 10011/19/2020

Well that makes more sense. Thanks R98.

Marina was briefly in that Golan-Globus documentary, talking about Death Wish 3. As you'd guess, not a fond memory.

by Anonymousreply 10111/19/2020

You ever want to see Counselor Troi's tits?

by Anonymousreply 10211/19/2020

Ah, the bad back explains why it always seemed like Riker's head was going to crash through the turbo lift door before it opened. He leaned forward so much and walked with such intent, he almost looked like a charging bull.

by Anonymousreply 10311/19/2020

[quote]I just think it's funny that they would have considered Cockney, Greek, working-class Marina as a Latina, but then she's also spent her late career playing Israeli and Persian, so...

She plays Italian in an old Sherlock Holmes episode with Jeremy Brett.

by Anonymousreply 10411/19/2020

They had to let out Frakes' one piece to get it to fit him later on. He still had muscles, but had put on a couple of stones.

by Anonymousreply 10511/19/2020

After season 2, the one piece became a two piece (shirt and pants). I wonder what they wore under those one piece outfits.

by Anonymousreply 10611/19/2020

Something to protect themselves from skin irritations? I've read more than once that Season 1 &2 uniforms were horribly scratchy.

by Anonymousreply 10711/19/2020

[quote] I wonder what they wore under those one piece outfits.

pantyhose

by Anonymousreply 10811/19/2020

I think they also had padding on them to make the guys look more muscular.

They had a massive auction of costumes and props after Enterprise went off the air. I remember seeing a picture of what was underneath the dress uniforms, but I can't find it now. It was...silly.

by Anonymousreply 10911/19/2020

Enjoying this thread like the closet geek I am! I grew up watching TNG and loved it. I rewatched it earlier this year and it sadly hasn’t aged that well. I guess a product of its time, although still many great episodes. I feel it would have benefitted from the shorter seasons most shows have now. DS9 has aged the best of the older Trek shows even though it got a heck of a lot of hate back in the day.

by Anonymousreply 11011/19/2020

Marina comes through for us. Starfleet Man-Spanx.

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I've heard some people required girdles or corsets but I wouldn't know.

by Anonymousreply 11211/19/2020

Interesting thread from a few years ago for those that are interested.

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 11311/19/2020

Marina refers to "VPL" in the link at r111! Supposedly she means the men wore special briefs to get rid of panty lines, but we all know what she really meant.

by Anonymousreply 11411/19/2020

Brent wants you to know he is a changed man

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Frakes always had VPL whenever he was profile to the camera. It was really noticeable in season 1.

by Anonymousreply 11611/19/2020

[quote]Marina refers to "VPL" in the link at [R111]!

She's been our Patron Saint since we discovered she stole the gorgeous wig she wore for the movies. This merely confirms it.

Let us all have ourselves EJECTED into SPACE as supplication.

by Anonymousreply 11711/19/2020

R116 Yeah Frakes had major VPL in seasons 1 & 2 but when they changed to the looser fitting uniforms in season 3 it was less noticeable. BTW while the men got more comfortable two-piece uniforms from season 3 onward, Gates McFadden (and Marina Siritis in seasons 6 and 7) still had one piece tight uniforms. Also Marina did have a built in corset in some of her Troi outfits because she was 'thicker in the middle.' Ironically, Marina looked way better in the standard duty uniform (also, so did Jeri Ryan on Voyager in the few episodes we saw 7 in a uniform).

R97 As for the role of Riker, it came down to Billy Campbell and Jonathan Frakes. Gene Roddenberry wanted to offer the role to Campbell (I think Campbell had more of the look Roddenberry was going for with Riker), but Maurice Hurley (I think, or some other Executive Producer) felt that Campbell lacked the air of authority that he felt Riker needed: personally, I've always suspected this had something to do with the fact Campbell is rumored to be gay in real life. I think Campbell is actually better looking than Frakes (he aged better) but is more cerebral in a way. Like I can buy Frakes as kind of the "less intelligent" naval type more than Campbell.

R107 Yes the original uniforms for TNG were horribly uncomfortable. They were made two sizes too small to decrease the appearance of wrinkles (apparently this made it difficult for the men to sit down), and they also stank. Because they couldn't wash the uniforms regularly (or they'd shrink too much) and spandex absorbs perspiration they didn't smell pleasant. Patrick Stewart claims that those uniforms caused him lasting back pain.

by Anonymousreply 11811/19/2020

[quote]Ironically, Marina looked way better in the standard duty uniform (also, so did Jeri Ryan on Voyager in the few episodes we saw 7 in a uniform).

That must have been a huge shock to the producers. They originally had her put in the uniform to show that Captain Jellico was an asshole, and then everyone loved it. It really did wonders for both Marina and Troi. Marina's always said "She suddenly grew a brain."

by Anonymousreply 11911/19/2020

R119 Tori being put in a standard uniform had more to do with behind the scenes stuff than wanting to making Jellico look like an asshole. Marina Siritis had been campaigning to be allowed to wear a uniform since about the third season (when they gave her that dress she HATED).

In the season four episode "Future Imperfect," a holographic version of 'future Troi' was shown in a uniform but producers thought it didn't flatter Marina's frames (she was a little bit heavier at this point). By season six, Executive Producer Jeri Taylor had taken over as TNG show-runner and supported Marina because she too had never been comfortable with Tori (a Lt. Commander and senior officer on the flagship) going around with her boobs hanging out. When Chain of Command was being written, the writers thought this would be a good opportunity to test out Troi in a uniform. The original plan was she'd wear the uniform for the two-parter but then go back to her normal outfits. However, Marina looked so good in the uniform that they made it permanent. Though Jeri Taylor had to reach a compromise with Rick Berman who approved that Troi would wear her uniform while on duty, but all off duty scenes would involve her "cleavage jumpers" If you watch seasons 6 and 7, you'll notice that Troi goes back and forth between the two outfits.

by Anonymousreply 12011/19/2020

One of my most embarrassing secrets is that I used to spank out loads to Wil Wheaton when I was a teen.

by Anonymousreply 12111/19/2020

R121 You weren't the only one with that secret....That grey uniform that didn't zip in the back......easy access hahahaha.

by Anonymousreply 12211/19/2020

[quote]Ironically, Marina looked way better in the standard duty uniform (also, so did Jeri Ryan on Voyager in the few episodes we saw 7 in a uniform).

I don't blame her. That thing wouldn't have looked good on anyone.

by Anonymousreply 12311/19/2020

[quote]I always imagined Macha Hernandez still would've had the same outfit as season one Troi and be armed only with a switchblade.

She would've kept it in her wig.

by Anonymousreply 12411/19/2020

[quote]I just think it's funny that they would have considered Cockney, Greek, working-class Marina as a Latina,

The 80s were a different time.

by Anonymousreply 12511/19/2020

She easily passes for a certain type of S.. American.

by Anonymousreply 12611/19/2020

Please correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Jonathan Frakes and Billy Campbell briefly live together when they first started out in LA?

by Anonymousreply 12711/19/2020

[quote]They were made two sizes too small to decrease the appearance of wrinkles (apparently this made it difficult for the men to sit down), and they also stank. Because they couldn't wash the uniforms regularly (or they'd shrink too much) and spandex absorbs perspiration they didn't smell pleasant.

I never knew this! So I guess the actors stank of BO the whole time they were filming? That must've been a very unpleasant set.

by Anonymousreply 12811/19/2020

R128 Yup the cast have spoke about this over the years (and I think it's on the blu rays too) but yeah the uniforms smelt bad so they would spray cologne or perfume on them frequently. Also Marina's outfit during the first season was made of denim and stank as well.

Also another little uniform fact: Dr. Pulaski had her "smock" uniform created because Diana Muldaur refused to wear the one piece spandex uniform (which pissed Patrick Steward off). Her smock changes several times during the course of the season. If you watch the HD version of "The Child" you can tell they recycled Troi's belt from the first season, dyed it blue, and sewed it into Pulaski's first smock.

by Anonymousreply 12911/19/2020

The funny part was Troi was a high ranking officer from the very beginning. She shared the same rank as Data and outranked Yar, Worf and Geordi.

By the end of the final season she was on the same level as Riker.

by Anonymousreply 13011/19/2020

There are no zippers in the future!

by Anonymousreply 13111/19/2020

R130 So, in the original script for "Encounter at Farpoint," Troi was a Lt. However, as the production began, Gene (according to Marina) thought that Troi might be the "Spock" of the TNG crew and therefore made her a Lt. Commander to give her more authority.

by Anonymousreply 13211/19/2020

Thank god they didn't get rid is Sirtis. So many of the Troi-centric episodes were camp heaven.

by Anonymousreply 13311/19/2020

Well if we're having a nice long bitch about the costumes, here's a thing about how Jeri Ryan's costumes on "Voyager" were always making her pass out.

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Jeri Ryan said it took 30 minutes to get in and out of the costume, so she didn't eat or drink anything for the many hours she had to wear it, to avoid bathroom breaks and holding up production.

by Anonymousreply 13511/19/2020

This is such a great thread.

by Anonymousreply 13611/19/2020

R134 Ryan stated on twitter that it was just the full borg costume that caused her to pass out, not the catsuit.

by Anonymousreply 13711/19/2020

[quote] Please correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Jonathan Frakes and Billy Campbell briefly live together when they first started out in LA?

Hot, if true.

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R137, my link says she went down in the silver corset catsuit a couple of times, as well. I am not going to research the question of how many times she passed out on set, because she was wearing ghastly shit and not eating or drinking.

by Anonymousreply 13911/19/2020

R130

Troi wasn't an officer at the beginning; she never went to the academy. After the episode where she reluctantly assumes command (she only outranks the surviving crew because Ro was an ensign, and O'Brien was also not an officer), she gets actual Starfleet training, and I guess becomes an officer at that point.

by Anonymousreply 14011/19/2020

R86

They weren't on a planet. They were in a fictional universe Q created to "help" Vash and Picard work out their relationship troubles.

by Anonymousreply 14111/19/2020

Another piece of dirt from the Star Trek universe is how Deep Space 9's concept was stolen from J. Michael Straczynski, which I think explains why DS9 has a number of themes that make absolutely no sense on a Star Trek show. Sisko holding a grudge against Picard made no sense, and it was also dropped and never mentioned again after the pilot. Sisko being a religious figure to an alien species and Starfleet tolerating it also made no sense. It does make sense when you consider that Sisko is a poorly developed stand-in for Sinclair on Babylon 5.

by Anonymousreply 14211/19/2020

"Troi wasn't an officer at the beginning; she never went to the academy."

Well she was officially a part of the medical staff, or at least, had been at first. In Starfleet as in today's military structures, it seems that medical officers have ranks and are officially integrated into the command structure, but nobody wants them to actually command anything but hospital ships. I can only guess that Troi's position on the Enterprise was something of an anomaly in Starfleet, that most large-ship psychologists worked out of the medical department and didn't spend most of their time on the bridge, advising the Captain.

It actually makes me wonder what the other Starfleet captains thought of Picard always having a psychologist right there, acting as his "lie detector" and telling him what to do.

by Anonymousreply 14311/19/2020

We thought he was a dirty old man.

by Anonymousreply 14411/19/2020

Straczynski has been living off that tired set of lies since DS9 premiered. He went to Paramount after they'd seen the development ideas for DS9. Paramount passed on Babylon and on and on Five. It was a shit show. With shit actors. Paramount made the right call.

by Anonymousreply 14511/19/2020

Brent Spiner is a bit of a know-it-all and he's very deadpan, but he's an overall lowkey guy and the cast all seem to have a great deal of affection for him. He was a theater actor at heart and an introvert, so I think the hardcore sci-fi devotees like Anne Droidz (wow, what a hilarious blast from the past to whoever mentioned that) were really overwhelming for him at first, but he seems like a decent sort.

by Anonymousreply 14611/19/2020

Thanks r141. It's been over two decades since I've seen TNG. I'm not at all a science fiction fan - TNG, DS9, Voyager (and X-Files) are the only things of the genre I've watched. TNG really touched my inner geek. I really want to rewatch but I'm afraid I'll find them too dated.

by Anonymousreply 14711/19/2020

TNG is not dated! Maybe in that there were not season-long story arcs or considerable character development. But the special effects are alright for what they were, and the show as a whole is often (but not always) classy stuff.

by Anonymousreply 14811/19/2020

Whil Wheaton is STILL adorable.

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R139 My point is that Jeri has herself said that these articles are incorrect. They conflate her experience in full borg makeup (something that caused her to pass out and need oxygen) with what she experienced while wearing the catsuit (which was discomfort).

by Anonymousreply 15011/19/2020

Marina Sirtis HATED the turquoise dress (with matching pantyhose and pumps) she had to wear for awhile. It really was ugly AF.

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[quote] Whil Wheaton is STILL adorable.

I think he is aging quite nicely. But at times his look is weird to me. When he keeps his weight normal, I find him to be a hot daddy. When he is overweight, I don't care at all. Usually weight doesn't matter much to me, but he looks like such a different person to me with extra pounds.

by Anonymousreply 15211/19/2020

The Borg costume's high neckline pinched her carotid artery if she shifted in a particular direction causing blood flow to the brain to cut off and fainting. Very scary.

by Anonymousreply 15311/19/2020

It actually makes me wonder what the other Starfleet captains thought of Picard always having a psychologist right there, acting as his "lie detector" and telling him what to do.

The worst was he would slip on a dress to greet admirals. He was 𝒔𝒖𝒄𝒉 an embarrassment.

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Love the sassy pantyhose r154!

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R146 Brent is a smart ass but I don't think he's a bad person. He's genuinely good with the fans. Interestingly, he and Gates McFadden knew each other before they did Star Trek from the theater circuit in New York. Brent is also Godfather to Gates' son.

R142 J. Michael Straczynski's claim that Deep Space Nine was ripped off from his Babylon 5 pitch has disproved but he keeps peddling it. DS9 began development in mid-1990, almost two years before Straczynski pitched B5. Brandon Tartikoff, the head of Paramount, wanted to launch a new Star Trek series for two reasons: 1) TNG had proved to be a massive hit, and 2) Paramount was aiming to retire the TOS cast from movies and replace them with the TNG cast in a matter of a few years. Tartikoff was the one who suggested doing "Rifleman in Space" because they didn't want to set the show on a Starship given it was going to overlap with TNG.

The original concept for DS9 was actually that it would take place on Bajor and filming the show on location at the Paramount Ranch in Agoura Hills. However, it was deemed too expensive and filming on a sound stage is far easier. Also, CBS ultimately rented out the facilities to film Dr. Quinn. Plus there was fears that being on a planet would be too different from what had come before in Star Trek. So they set it on a space station next to a wormhole. DS9 is ultimately a very different show than B5. As for Sisko, the truth is that had more to do with bad writing than copying from anywhere else. Like Picard before him and Janeway after him, it took three seasons for the writers to figure out who Sisko really was.

by Anonymousreply 15611/19/2020

I have to admit the Bajoran/Cardassian conflict never interested me. I found it boring.

by Anonymousreply 15711/19/2020

Quark was the best part of DS9.

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R157 Fans didn't respond to it either which is why the show started moving away from Bajor stories by the third season.

by Anonymousreply 15911/19/2020

Brent will always be the hick neighbor of Thelma's offering condolences for Fran's death on the first syndicated episode of Mama's Family.

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by Anonymousreply 16011/19/2020

Marina Sirtis is a cock-sucking WHORE!

by Anonymousreply 16111/19/2020

Marina Sirtis is a cock-sucking WHORE!

by Anonymousreply 16211/19/2020

Speaking of Marina, I understand her husband passed away late last year. Had he been ill?

by Anonymousreply 16311/19/2020

Root beer in the 24th century

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Starfleet must be the only military organization with fashion trends. They were always coming up with new uniforms.

by Anonymousreply 16511/20/2020

[quote]Speaking of Marina, I understand her husband passed away late last year. Had he been ill?

No, it was unexpected. She kept herself busy for the first few months after he died, but when she got back from Star Trek: The Cruise in February, she isolated herself for two weeks because of COVID, and then the lockdown order came. She put out a few videos, and despite putting on a brave face, it was heartbreaking to see how sad and lonely she was.

She's back to dragging Republicans on Twitter, so that's our girl.

by Anonymousreply 16611/20/2020

[quote][R142] J. Michael Straczynski's claim that Deep Space Nine was ripped off from his Babylon 5 pitch has disproved but he keeps peddling it. DS9 began development in mid-1990, almost two years before Straczynski pitched B5. Brandon Tartikoff, the head of Paramount, wanted to launch a new Star Trek series for two reasons: 1) TNG had proved to be a massive hit, and 2) Paramount was aiming to retire the TOS cast from movies and replace them with the TNG cast in a matter of a few years. Tartikoff was the one who suggested doing "Rifleman in Space" because they didn't want to set the show on a Starship given it was going to overlap with TNG.

DS9 was also originally supposed to be set at a refugee camp on Bajor. They only shifted to the space station because it was cheaper for production.

by Anonymousreply 16711/20/2020

It didn't stop the writers from giving us endless Bajor stores about the Prophets, Pa Wraiths, and Louise Fletcher's odious "acting."

by Anonymousreply 16811/20/2020

r43 Frakes and Genie Francis of General Hospital fame were married in 86. TNG first aired in 87 so if he was gay before that..it had to be well before that.

by Anonymousreply 16911/20/2020

Well, this was his 1978 audition for Welcome Back Kotter and he gave good “gay” in this, so...

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R140, go back and watch Encounter At Farpoint.

Troi, while wearing the skirt uniform, has the pips of Lt. Commander.

The reason she takes command of the Enterprise is because she outranks both "Chief" O'Brien and Ro who is a full Ensign. O'Brien even references this.

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[quote]Deanna Troi was born on March 29, 2336, near Lake El-Nar, Betazed. ... Although Deanna Troi has little exposure to Earth culture, she attended Starfleet Academy from 2355 to 2359, as well as the University on Betazed, and earned an advanced degree in psychology.

by Anonymousreply 17211/20/2020

Was Deanna bullied on Betazed for being half human?

by Anonymousreply 17311/20/2020

R169 Frakes met his wife in the early around 1983/84. The rumor that has circulated is that a few years prior to this, Frakes was living with a male lover (late 1970s period).

by Anonymousreply 17411/20/2020

I was looking for information about Marina's husband and came upon this. How many casts seem this tight. Very sweet after a horrible few months.

Her husband died in his sleep at the age of 61.

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They just seem like a good group of people.

A bunch of them participated in a combo convention/Biden fundraiser that Jonathan del Arco helped organize and that was hosted by Stacey Abrams (who geeked out extremely), Andrew Yang, and Pete. They had people from the other series, and when Wilson Cruz started talking about his character's "empathy," Marina yelled out "Stay in your lane!"

by Anonymousreply 17611/20/2020

I love Stacey Abrams even more for being a total Star Trek geek. She swept the board.

by Anonymousreply 17711/20/2020

She moderated a panel about women and Trek and just rattled off every single actress' resume without skipping a beat.

Although Rosario Dawson (who was subbing for Cory Booker, who was fighting the good fight at the ACB hearings) turned out to not be a slouch either.

by Anonymousreply 17811/20/2020

R176 The Women of Trek segment was fantastic. Marina made a hilarious joke when she asked how would Troi have dealt with Donald Trump, she said Troi would have done down to sickbay stole one of Dr. Crusher's hypos and put Trump out of his misery.

by Anonymousreply 17911/20/2020

[quote] I love Stacey Abrams even more for being a total Star Trek geek.

I would have thought she would prefer Star Wars

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R180 posted a selfie.

by Anonymousreply 18111/20/2020

I think Stacey is a geek in general. She was tweeting about Buffy last week.

by Anonymousreply 18211/20/2020

Pete Buttigieg is also a major fan and he was part of the Biden Trek fundraiser.

by Anonymousreply 18311/20/2020

Mary Carney would have been a better Janeway.

by Anonymousreply 18411/21/2020

Any Wil Wheaton gossip?

by Anonymousreply 18511/21/2020

R185, see R1.

by Anonymousreply 18611/21/2020

The episode where Wesley lost his virginity to Riker was my favorite.

by Anonymousreply 18711/21/2020

R45. Siddig's son with Visitor is somehow more ethnic looking than he is. I've always wondered if Nana Visitor had some spice in her genes, but she's apparently a swarthy white like Kris Jenner and Catherine Zeta Jones. Her birth name is Nana Tucker.

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And yet, her first big job was playing the Jewish Nancy Feldman on Ryan's Hope.

by Anonymousreply 18911/21/2020

[quote] The episode where Wesley lost his virginity to Riker was my favorite.

Somebody get on the fanfic, STAT.

by Anonymousreply 19011/21/2020

One night a drunken Riker barged into Wesley's room, took his rock hard cock out of his uniform and said "I know you've wanted this for awhile and tonight you're gonna get it you little bitch!"

by Anonymousreply 19111/21/2020

Everyone knows that Wesley lost his virginity to that weird bald alien that abducted him.

by Anonymousreply 19211/21/2020

Riker had him first.

by Anonymousreply 19311/21/2020

R188 I’m surprised he didn’t turn out better looking. It seems like he got the worst traits from both parents unfortunately.

by Anonymousreply 19411/21/2020

[quote] One night a drunken Riker barged into Wesley's room, took his rock hard cock out of his uniform and said "I know you've wanted this for awhile and tonight you're gonna get it you little bitch!"

Nice!

by Anonymousreply 19511/21/2020

I never knew this special existed before today.

The original 9 cast members are seen in it =

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by Anonymousreply 19611/21/2020

Don’t encourage it, R195.

by Anonymousreply 19711/22/2020

R196 This special aired right before the first airing of "Caretaker" in many markets. I was 8 when Voyager first aired and I vividly remember watching the first episode with my dad.

by Anonymousreply 19811/22/2020

The set of Voyager sounded like a nest of vipers.

I wonder if Kate had a few nips in her trailer when it got to be really bad.

by Anonymousreply 19911/22/2020

R199 Voyager was actually a happy set until season 4. The cast got along very well in the early seasons most closer to the vibe of the TNG cast. Then producers fired Jennifer Lien and brought in Jeri Ryan to "sex up the show" and Kate went ape shit. Instead of taking it out on producers, she took it out on Jeri. That's when the set when down hill and many of the cast didn't want to be there anymore. Robert Beltran wanted to leave but couldn't due to his contract (I suspect he started acting cunty like he did in a bid to get fired) and he also started feuding with Kate. Garrett Wang has talked at length about who miserable the set was on the days when they had to work together with Kate and Jeri.

The good news is that recently, Kate and Jeri have mended fences. Kate has apologized to her and they make convention appearances together now.

by Anonymousreply 20011/22/2020

[quote]I wonder if Kate had a few nips in her trailer when it got to be really bad.

Atta girl!

by Anonymousreply 20111/22/2020

R200 In an interview 2 or 3 years back, Kate admitted that one of her biggest regrets about Voyager was the way she treated Jeri Ryan. She said that her behavior casts a shadow over the legacy of the show and that she and Jeri have mended fences.

by Anonymousreply 20211/22/2020

I can't blame Kate Mulgrew for being pissed. She was the star of the show and it was all about a competent, capable woman being in charge and then along comes a gorgeous blonde in a skin-tight catsuit for tits and ass appeal. It's understandable why she was upset.

On the other hand, Jeri Ryan was a wonderful addition to the show and could actually act. Voyager improved with her on it, and hiring her was the right decision.

Still, it's easy to see why Kate didn't like it. It is good to know that they've mended their relationship and are friends now.

by Anonymousreply 20311/22/2020

I agree that Kate had every right to be pissed, but yeah, making Ryan suffer for it wasn't right. She should have taken her complaints to the producers and the costume designer, and told Ryan that there was nothing personal in her complaints and that she was sure that they could find a way to integrate a Borg character into the series without being ridiculous.

Because the idea of a female Borg wasn't ridiculous, it was interesting, it was the hair, makeup, and costumes they gave Seven that were ridiculous! Why the hell would a Borg wear makeup and tease her hair? Why the fuck would she wear high heels with her catsuits, or pick a tits-out catsuit at all, if she was convinced that she needed to wear clothes even though doing so was illogical? Logically the character should have worn a starfleet uniform or crewman's coveralls once she was persuaded to wear clothes, not catsuits that were unlike anything anyone else on the ship was wearing. Jeri Ryan could have made a starfleet uniform or crewman's overalls as sexy as a catsuit, if they'd given her a chance.

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Kate Mulgrew has explained over the years that her issue was not with Jeri Ryan (thought she took it out on her) or the character of 7 of 9: even long before Kate mended her relationship with Jeri, she always praised Ryan's performance and the vital role the character played in the revitalization of the show. Her issue was that here she was the first woman captain who was the personification of how more 'feminist' and progressive Star Trek had become, and then as the ratings start to slide, and they bring in the T&A.

Kate also railed against the outfits Jeri wore and demanded producers change it. The relented initially by getting Jeri out of the original 'metallic' outfit as pictured in R204. According to Garrett Wang, Kate and Jeri actually got along at first, but when Jeri refused to fight to wear something less obviously sexualized, Kate was done with her.

Ironically, Kate and Jeri's onset animosity played well on camera. They are an example of two actors who hate each other personally but have fantastic on screen chemistry.

by Anonymousreply 20511/22/2020

Please get the focus back to TNG.

by Anonymousreply 20611/22/2020

You have to respect the Voyager catsuit designer's vision but I maintain Ryan looked a lot hotter without the skin tight padding when she played a USSR government UFO fighter reassigned to the US equivalent agency Majestic 12 on Dark Skies.

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by Anonymousreply 20711/22/2020

R207 Seven of Nine wore a Starfleet in two episodes of Voyager (Relativity and Human Error) and looks far more sexy in the uniform than her catsuit.

by Anonymousreply 20811/22/2020

Jeri Ryan must have had to avoid eating any solid food during her years on Voyager, that catsuit was such that she couldn't gain a single pound.

I've thought the same thing about Lynda Carter when she was Wonder Woman.

by Anonymousreply 20911/22/2020

[quote]According to Garrett Wang, Kate and Jeri actually got along at first, but when Jeri refused to fight to wear something less obviously sexualized, Kate was done with her.

Ah, memories. I brought that exact interview up years ago on a thread about Voyager, not long after Jeri use to post here, and got so many FFs I was banned for a day. No one wanted to hear it.

Jeri complained a lot about being a victim but in many cases she, intentionally or not, made things worse.

To tie this into TNG, a lot of fans at the time complained about Jeri's outfits because they had thought TNG helped change things by letting Sirtis wear a uniform instead of the catsuit, and they were upset that the franchise was basically taking a step back just for ratings.

by Anonymousreply 21011/23/2020

I once met a Marine who told me Voyager was very, very popular with his service buddies. He said they all wanted Seven of Nine in the worst way.

by Anonymousreply 21111/23/2020

[quote]Any Wil Wheaton gossip?

I know his experience on TNG* left him disillusioned and he took a break from acting, which of course didn't help his career any. He has also talked about struggling with depression, which may have been manifesting for the first time around then. Just my guess.

*If you don't know the story...Wheaton was supposed to play Danceny in the Milos Forman film, Valmont. It was a small but prestigious gig that would have been good for his career and arguably good for TNG too by proxy. The Valmont shooting schedule was going to overlap slightly with TNG, and Wheaton asked to be written out of the first episode of the season. The producers said the first episode was in fact a Wesley episode and they couldn't rearrange everything to accommodate him. So Wheaton had to turn down the film and the role was played by Henry Thomas. But when Wheaton arrived on the TNG set he found Wesley was barely in the first episode.

This is all Wheaton's account, I don't know what Rick Berman has to say about it. Not that I have any trouble believing the Trek producers were dicks.

by Anonymousreply 21211/23/2020

Oh, Berman was a total dick. And a homophobe.

People forget he wasn't a creative, he was a money guy. They brought him in because Roddenberry had been dancing around with the Paramount credit card for two seasons without much to show for it. I don't think he actually had a single writing credit until the Enterprise pilot. Although in fairness, over the years, he and Brannon Braga have both acknowledged (Braga moreso) that whatever they were going for with Enterprise, they really fucked it up.

The money thing reminds me of the story behind the episode "Shades of Grey," the absolutely godawful Season 2 finale. The show had already had its episode order trimmed from 26 to 22 because of a WGA strike that year. They were also overbudget from building out an intricate Victorian London for "Elementary, Dear Data" and heavy special effects and the set of the Borg ship in "Q Who." So, they demanded an episode that could be filmed in three days, necessitating a clip show. The director didn't even watch the final episode, he just filmed the frame story and let the editors drop in the clips. And they didn't even have a directive for the clips, just buckets of "good things" and "bad things."

It also has some of the worst acting that our beloved Marina ever gave.

by Anonymousreply 21311/23/2020

Oh another Wheaton tidbit, from something he said at a convention. He credits his cameo in Nemesis to Levar Burton. Apparently Wesley wasn't originally going to be in the film, but Burton told the producers it was weird to leave Wesley out of their last hurrah.

Wheaton also said that he was estranged from the cast at the time, and it was a big deal for him to be welcomed back and to establish adult friendships with them.

Wil Wheaton has a real smarmy affect and his jokes can be cutting, but I get the impression it's all a defense mechanism for a very sensitive person with a big heart. He said something very sweet and touching about his sons at another convention.

by Anonymousreply 21411/23/2020

He was a complete dick when he was on the Star Trek episode of the Weakest Link. Like, he said some really gross things to Roxanne Dawson backstage.

Although that episode held the record for the highest jackpot on the show. Not surprisingly, Levar won.

by Anonymousreply 21511/23/2020

What did he say?

by Anonymousreply 21611/23/2020

He made some comments about being in love with her, and like, blew her kisses. She was visibly uncomfortable. She later walked it back, but looking at her reaction, she wasn't playing it up.

by Anonymousreply 21711/23/2020

Probably nothing nearly as sexualized and nasty as Trumper Icheb.

by Anonymousreply 21811/23/2020

She should have said, "Shut up, Wesley."

by Anonymousreply 21911/23/2020

Someone I know met Wheaton at a Con. Not at an autograph table, but in the Gamers' area, the guy I know described him as a "total gamer geek" who was accepted by the other gamers as such.

And I saw that episode of "Weakest Link", Shatner appeared to be hammered and got every question wrong. But Levar Burton and John "Q" DeLancie were very smart, and ran a hot competition to win. I came away wanting both for husbands.

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This is the same Shatner who didn't want to go to George Takei's wedding and then complained when George didn't invite him. And didn't go to Nimoy's funeral because he had another engagement scheduled, when not a single reasonable person on Earth would have been upset that he canceled.

Nichelle Nichols is in failing health, with both her family and manager accusing each other of elder abuse. Please, God, if you're up there TAKE SHATNER FIRST!

by Anonymousreply 22111/23/2020

Wheaton is indeed a big geek and I learned about a lot of cool board games thanks to his YouTube channel. Whatever good will I have towards him is more for that than Star Trek. Also for his funny guest spots on Leverage.

by Anonymousreply 22211/23/2020

[quote]He credits his cameo in Nemesis to Levar Burton.

It was almost completely cut from the film though, if I recall. You can only see him briefly as they pan over the guest's table at the wedding.

by Anonymousreply 22311/23/2020

He had a surprising lack of bitterness about being cut, though, at least publicly.

Gates, who was given a lot more to do, which was almost entirely cut, had more reason. I mean, at least Marina got subplots in First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis, and a really good scene with Stewart in Generations.

by Anonymousreply 22411/23/2020

[quot] Robert Beltran wanted to leave but couldn't due to his contract (I suspect he started acting cunty like he did in a bid to get fired)

By all means, if he wanted to leave, let him go pronto! Say what you want about Beltran, but Chakotay was the least useful character on the show. Poorly written, under-developed and under-performed. So many other characters could have made a more effective Number One for Janeway.

by Anonymousreply 22511/23/2020

Beltran was like a block of wood, and McNeil was just boring. I think those roles could've been cast better. Who knows, maybe there just weren't too many options for casting better actors at the time. God knows some actors back then wanted nothing to do with Star Trek because of the typecasting thing.

by Anonymousreply 22611/23/2020

What killed them with Paris was they wanted him to be Han Solo-y, but then cast McNeil.

by Anonymousreply 22711/23/2020

R213 Yeah Rick Berman was a piece of work (although to his credit he is more liberal nowadays and actively supported Hillary in 2016 and Biden in 2020). But it's telling that with the exception of the TNG cast, none of the casts of the other 90s/00s era Treks given him the time of day. Berman was the reason why there was no gay characters (particularly by ENT when there was no excuse not to have gay characters) and he also treated many of the woman on Trek like dirt. Terry Farrell (thought not saying him by name) has cited him as the reason she left DS9 and that he was inappropriate with her. She claims that he (though he doesn't say his name) used to accompany her to bra fittings and used to make comments about her breasts being too small. Kate Mulgrew has talked at length about how she tried to get a gay character on Voyager but Berman always refused. I'm not sure why the TNG cast so highly regard him but they are the only cast he still invites to his house every year for a holiday parties.

R224 Gates McFadden almost didn't appear in Nemesis. It's no secret that she was unhappy with the size of her roles in the TNG films up to that point. In fact, during the promotion of Insurrection she openly lamented about the "lack of a full meal" her character had in Insurrection. I remember when Nemesis was in pre-production there were rumors that McFadden was not keen on returning and there was talk of bringing Pulaski back (I think that was just fan talk and not real). But John Logan, wrote more for Crusher including more scenes with Picard and slightly hints that they might be or end up being a couple, but those scenes were all cut and Crusher has like six lines in the whole movie. The good news is, it sounds like she will be making an appearance on Picard (if it ever gets back into production) and given the great work they gave Marina, I'm hopeful Beverly will have something meaningful to do.

Speaking of Robert Duncan McNeill, He was one of my first major 'gay crushes' when I was a 11 or 12. Paris (along with most of the supporting cast on Voyager) never really developed and was a boring character. I've also heard rumours that back in the day, McNeill was a ragging homophobe.

by Anonymousreply 22811/23/2020

The TNG cast may have a high opinion of Berman because he was integral for lifting the quality and reputation of the show. Before Berman the show was run by Maurice Hurley. And that didn't go too well. Stewart complained that he had nothing to do besides just sitting in his bridge chair. Troi had nothing to do but sensing things. And the stories were generally stuck on the quality level of the 60s show. Berman and Piller did lift the quality of the entire show. That's probably why the crew and cast are still thanking him. Berman may be responsible for Voyager not reaching its real potential and Enterprise never taking off. But let's give him credit where credit is due: He is responsible for raising TNG's bar, and for leaving DS9 in capable hands without too much meddling.

by Anonymousreply 22911/23/2020

Jolene Blalock was the only good thing about Enterprise.

Enterprise only had one outstanding episode, "Carbon Creek," which was the one where T'Pol told the story of how her great-grandmother and a couple other Vulcans crash landed on Earth in the 1950s and had to blend into human society for several months until they could be rescued. It was an excellent story.

by Anonymousreply 23011/23/2020

[quote]Enterprise only had one outstanding episode

Disagree. "Twilight" the dark, alternate future episode where the Xindi destroyed Earth was legitimately great, when compared to the other series. It was far and away the best performance Bakula gave. When they polled fans before the show went off the air with the intent of airing the top three favorites, that won in a walk.

I love "Carbon Creek," but you can put "Twilight" with at least the best episodes of Voyager,

by Anonymousreply 23111/23/2020

Wasn't it Berman or Braga who said, re gay characters on Trek, something like, "What are we supposed to do, have them flouncing around the bridge?"

by Anonymousreply 23211/23/2020

Gates had so little to do in First Contact that they used a shot of her from the TV show in the trailer of the film

by Anonymousreply 23311/23/2020

R229 Yeah, Berman did a number of things for the TNG cast that he would not do for other casts and I think was more supportive of them in terms of keeping them happy. Berman's creative input in both TNG and DS9 was very limited. Michael Piller really should get all the credit for the increase in TNG's quality during season 3, while Ira Behr should get the sole credit for DS9's massive improvement from season 3 onward.

Berman was more actively involved in Voyager (particularly in the later seasons) and Enterprise and his stubbornness to modernize and keep the franchise's storytelling fresh and innovative was a major contributor to the franchise fatigue the sunk the movies and TV series by the early 00s. Piller left Voyager at the end of the second season due to creative difference with Jeri Taylor and Berman (more Taylor than Berman). Piller could see Voyager was riffing off TNG too much and that the stories they were telling felt dated. Although Voyager has its really strong moments, it really is just a continuation of TNG, it really never found it's own path to leave a mark on the franchise. TNG eventually took the format of TOS, modernized it and moved the show towards more ensemble stories. DS9 built upon TNG but becoming more character focused and evolved to tell ongoing stories and it's legacy is keenly felt in modern Trek interations. Voyager is really just a continuation of the "concept of the week" with the least amount of character development since TOS. Enterprise started the same way but changed hands in Season 3 and 4 with Manny Cotto at the helm. Enterprise found it's footing by the fourth season and it's a pity that it was cancelled because it was finally finding it's unique place in the franchise.

by Anonymousreply 23411/23/2020

In fairness to Berman, as wrong-headed as a lot of his decision making, and as big an asshole has he might have been, he TRULY loved the job. I think he had the costume department make him a uniform or two.

I also wonder if some of the re-appraisal is coming about now because entitled fanboys don't like how Alex Kurtzman is steering the franchise now. Which, I mean, Trekkies don't hate anything as much as a new series.

I think the only person I've really softened on personally is Braga, just because he's been the more outspoken about what they did wrong.

by Anonymousreply 23511/23/2020

IMHO all of the Voyager two-parter episodes were very well-done.

by Anonymousreply 23611/23/2020

Tom Paris was actually supposed to be the sex symbol of "Voyager". The hot bad boy with a heart of gold who just needed someone to believe in and trust him. Then they cast smarmy and wooden McNeil, who also didn't have the looks. I've always wondered whose ass he was kissing, whose cock he was sucking, or to whom he presented hole because for awhile he was the center of the show till Seven showed up. He's at the helm because he's the best pilot. Now he's in sickbay because he has medical training. No! He's in engineering because he just knows. But I thought he was on the holodeck building another program to boost crew morale! Is there anything this guy can't do? I love Mulgrew, Dawson, and Ryan, but jeez he made it the show hard to watch.

by Anonymousreply 23711/23/2020

I agree r237. McNeil was so bland and unassuming, it was ridiculous he was supposed to be the 'Han Solo' type character, which was just laughable.

Mulgrew, Picardo, Ryan and Dawson were great but the others were not nearly as appealing or as strong in their acting, imho.

by Anonymousreply 23811/23/2020

[Quote]Kate also railed against the outfits Jeri wore and demanded producers change it. The relented initially by getting Jeri out of the original 'metallic' outfit as pictured in [R204]. According to Garrett Wang, Kate and Jeri actually got along at first, but when Jeri refused to fight to wear something less obviously sexualized, Kate was done with her.

How could Mulgrew have expected the new kid on the block to start fighting with producers? That's not a good way to leave a mark in a new situation. Also, this is around the time that Ryan was divorcing Jack Ryan, the former Illinois politician who wanted her to perform acts in various sex clubs he took her to (starting with the Parisian honeymoon). She probably didn't have it in her to fight two battles.

by Anonymousreply 23911/23/2020

[quote] Enterprise found it's footing by the fourth season and it's a pity that it was cancelled because it was finally finding it's unique place in the franchise.

I second that. I think we all agree that Enterprise's first and second season were overall underwhelming. The Xindi arc in season 3 gave the show finally some direction. Personally, I didn't care for that direction because it was too much of a neocon's response to 9/11. But at least the show started to show ambition.

Season 4 was a true winner for me. I started to really love the show under Manny Cotto. Some of the stories were just beautiful, and on par with good DS9 stories. But I understand that I don't share this view with many. Season 4 had some severe stinkers, the finale being the worst. And not many people appreciated DS9's way of story telling.

by Anonymousreply 24011/23/2020

The Xindi arc would have been great over about 13 episodes. 24 (25, if you count the set-up in the previous season's finale) was too much.

I think Braga actually apologized specifically for "These Are The Voyages..."

Season 4 really was what the show should have been the entire time, just setting up the chess pieces for TOS.

by Anonymousreply 24111/23/2020

Yeah, McNiel as Paris was a total washout, and he should have been killed off and replaced by someone actually hot. And manly.

The thing is, he was supposed to be this bad boy with a heart of gold, but he actually came off as a dweeb who had lucked out and grown up to be decent-looking if not hot, and who was trying to cover his inner dweebiness by acting selfish and fake-tough, because he thinks that's what real men do. I couldn't believe they had him marry the half-Klingon bitch who was genuinely tough, I always thought she'd see through his phony-tough facade, beat the shit out of him, and hold him in contempt forever after.

by Anonymousreply 24211/23/2020

I mean, there was an episode where Paris and Kim ended up in an alien prison, and it was damned homoerotic.

I may be remembering this wrong, but I think there was some consideration early on for making Harry gay. Wang argued against it, saying that as one of the few Asian characters on TV at the time, it would be too much. I kind of see his point, but he really read as gay.

Although Garrett Wang is not a fag, and Margaret Cho is just the dame to prove it.

by Anonymousreply 24311/23/2020

Jonathan Frakes, on the other hand, was genuinely attractive, even if he wasn't conventionally hot. The beard helped immensely and I didn't mind that he but beefy during the show's run, I like a big man. But Frakes totally grew into a character who'd started out as a generic heterosexual officer whose main function was to have an ongoing relationship with a women (something that was never done in the original show), but he became a hot daddy over the show's run. He let his sense of humor and his caring for other people show, he mellowed, he grew warm, and as he did all of that, he became manlier and more masculine.

Quite the opposite of the phony-tough inner-dweeb Paris.

by Anonymousreply 24411/23/2020

Frakes was at peak hotness in the second season. That may have been the only good thing about it.

Well, and Pulaski. Yeah, I said it.

by Anonymousreply 24511/23/2020

Riker was fat.

by Anonymousreply 24611/23/2020

I always liked Pulaski, which makes two of us, R243. She was an unrepentant bitch, which made her appealing in a cast of goody-two-shoes characters, and how could a good Datalounger not love that?

Of course she was badly handled, her whole feud with Data was a bad retread of the old Spock-McCoy grousing and she was too much a female McCoy, but she could have grown into someone more interesting than the goody-two-shoes Doctor Crusher if given time. It's a pity she didn't last until the good scripts started coming along.

by Anonymousreply 24711/23/2020

The problem with the "mean to Data" thing is that he was often portrayed as childlike, so it came across as meaner than Spock/McCoy.

by Anonymousreply 24811/23/2020

[quote] even if he wasn't conventionally hot.

The hell you say.

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"The problem with the "mean to Data" thing is that he was often portrayed as childlike, so it came across as meaner than Spock/McCoy."

That's what I meant by calling it a "bad" imitation of the old Spock-McCoy feud. Spock and McCoy genuinely disagreed about some things and could both dish it out as well as take it, so it seemed like equals butting heads without tipping over into genuine unprofessionalism.

But they made a mess of the whole Pulaski-Data thing, it shouldn't have come across as this bitch bullying someone childlike, it should have come across as someone bitchy hitting a brick wall as her target had no feelings and was incapable of taking offense. But because they could never make Data genuinely without emotions and kept trying to make him seem fucking cute, it all fell flat because of bad writing. Well, there was a lot of bad writing that season.

by Anonymousreply 25011/23/2020

In today's Hollywood, the kind of weight gain Jonathan Frakes had would not be tolerated with a youngish, "hot" actor. He would've been given a personal trainer by the studio and forced to lose weight, all hell would've broken loose.

by Anonymousreply 25111/23/2020

I like your take on Riker, R244. It was interesting that they had him turn back into a prat when Thomas Riker turned up. Some of my favorite episodes are Riker-based, like that one. And especially the one where he does the officer exchange program with the Klingons, great stuff. Riker is underappreciated.

by Anonymousreply 25211/23/2020

Frakes was a newly married man who was making money steadily on a hit tv show, so there’s no doubt that he was eatin’ good. Men with girth may also run in his family. He couldn’t be Dukes of Hazzard-size all his life.

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Pulaski was a hot sexy bitch rockin' her 80s mulletperm.

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[quote]He couldn’t be Dukes of Hazzard-size all his life.

In today's Hollywood, as the male eye candy on a hit show, he would be forced to maintain that weight or else.

by Anonymousreply 25511/23/2020

Nathan Fillion got heftier on Castle as the years went by, and didn’t drop the weight until his new show. Michael Weatherly has also fought the battle of the bulge for years with no detriment to his employment.

by Anonymousreply 25611/23/2020

They're not early 30s sex symbols like Frakes was r256. Both of those guys are well into middle age.

by Anonymousreply 25711/23/2020

I would be like Chris Evans getting fat. Unacceptable.

by Anonymousreply 25811/23/2020

R235 Yes. Berman should get credit where credit is due. He did keep Star Trek on the air for over 15 years, and really until the latter half of Voyager, the franchise was doing strong. People also don't take into account how much the television landscape changed from 1987 to 2005. When TNG was on the air, it was literally the only major sci-fi show in America and it proved that sci-fi shows could be mainstream successes. Although DS9's ratings fell (TNG's ratings peaked during season 5) it remained the number one syndicated show on TV from the third season onward. Berman was the steady hand TNG needed and we shouldn't forget, that a lot of the decisions about Voyager and Enterprise are the hands of Paramount and UPN executives. Paramount was dead set against Voyager doing longer story arcs like DS9. That being said, Berman's lack of foresight and creative ability is ultimately what damaged the franchise in the long run.

R243 I don't recall there being an discussion of Kim being gay. I do remember when 7 of 9 was added to the cast there was talks about making her a lesbian but that was quickly dropped but picked up on by Star Trek: Picard.

R243 & 247 I am old enough to remember watching season 2 of TNG was it aired originally. Pulaski seemed liked a terrible addition to the show and I was glad when she was gone. Fast forward 30+ years later and I actually really like the character now. She had an edge to her that the other characters lacked and frankly something the show needed. Tonally Dr. Crusher was a better fit for the more 'placid' world of TNG, but Pulaski was a far more interesting character with a lot of potential....also Diana Muldaur is a better actress than Gates McFadden.

by Anonymousreply 25911/23/2020

Which of the modern Star Treks is the best series? Asking because I watched TNG, which I loved, but none of the others, and I’d like to watch some of them.

by Anonymousreply 26011/23/2020

Oh, r260, you're opening a can of worms now...

by Anonymousreply 26111/23/2020

Indeed, r261!

by Anonymousreply 26211/23/2020

R228 Where did you hear that McNeil was anti-gay?

I recall he did an celebrity AIDS bike run for a TV interview show (the late 90s CNN program Showbiz Today perhaps?) where he talked about the friends that he had lost from the disease. Most of these friends were probably gay/bisexual men in the entertainment industry at the time. I doubt he is anything like Isiah Washington when it comes to our community. Didn't he also perform on stage in the 1990s at one point in a pro-gay play like "Angels In America" or something similar?

by Anonymousreply 26311/23/2020

First R260 , you need to at the very least watch DS9. As for the new series, my personal recommendation is for "Picard". But definitely don't waste your time on "Lower Decks" aka Rick & Morty meet Family Guy and shit on Star Trek.

by Anonymousreply 26411/23/2020

R260 Yeah this is a loaded question and open to interpretation. TNG is pretty much universally beloved within the fandom, but then the divisions start around DS9, VOY, ENT, DIS, and Pic. Each show has its merits and its liabilities. Thematically, VOY (and to a lesser extent ENT) pretty much stays true to the format established by TNG (though many fans feel the quality of the franchise wanes with Voyager and flat lines in the first two seasons of Enterprise). DS9 is often critically hailed for character based stories, but some fans don't like it's more darker themes and more political stories (though DS9's legacy is more keenly felt in modern Trek than any other show). For me: TNG is my sentimental favourite because I grew up on in, but I think DS9 is the best written version of Trek to date, while Voyager is kind of my go to when I just want some mindless Trek entertainment.

by Anonymousreply 26511/23/2020

R260 I've watched them all & I love Voyager the most.

Season 1-3 from THG, DS9 & Enterprise are hard to sit thru.

I think lots of Voyager's episodes are put in poor order.

The writers should have put some of Torres's Klingon episodes back to back like "Barge OF The Dead" & "Prophesy" (the first deals with her mom & I think the 2nd deal's with her dad). Watching them back to back recently made her family dynamic more real for me.

I wish Neelix had his "Riddles" episode with Tuvok (which shows a different side of his relationship with Tuvok) first, then his "Klingon affair" episode (which again shows us his complicated relationship with Tuvok) then his "Homestead" episode (where Tuvok gives his touching goodbye to him) followed by "Fury" where Kes comes back. It would've made a more powerful final scene between Kes & him if he had shown that he had chosen his new Talaxian family over her.

by Anonymousreply 26611/23/2020

I loved Voyager esp. after Ryan joined. It's like comfort tv to me. Mulgrew was fantastic as Janeway, I can't imagine another actress in the part.

I like the odd episode of DS9 but I just couldn't get into it like the other Treks. I thought the Bajoran/Cardassian conflict was rather boring and they went way overboard with it.

Of course TNG is the gold standard. Yes they had some ridiculous episodes (every series does) but overall it was such a quality show. Although of course some of it is quite dated now.

by Anonymousreply 26711/23/2020

'In the Pale Moonlight' from season 6 of DS9 is my favourite of the series -- even Avery Brooks' over-the-top acting cannot wreck it. "IT'S A FAKE!!"

by Anonymousreply 26811/23/2020

I hated her back when I was a kid, but Pulaski rocks it now. Unlike Beverly, she actually has a personality and can act. It’s sad to hear that the cast treated her so horribly. She’s candid in interviews but doesn’t sound at all bitter. Marina Sirtis still makes digs about her using cue cards. Sirtis should just be grateful her character didn’t get technobabble and shut her mouth.

by Anonymousreply 269Last Tuesday at 12:21 AM

I hated her back when I was a kid, but Pulaski rocks it now. Unlike Beverly, she actually has a personality and can act. It’s sad to hear that the cast treated her so horribly. She’s candid in interviews but doesn’t sound at all bitter. Marina Sirtis still makes digs about her using cue cards. Sirtis should just be grateful her character didn’t get technobabble and shut her mouth.

by Anonymousreply 270Last Tuesday at 12:21 AM

Y'all are making me think I should rewatch the second season.

by Anonymousreply 271Last Tuesday at 1:22 AM

R261 may have opened a can of worms but I empathize, I loved TOS and TNG and then hated DS9. Just hated it. I should revisit it, I haven't tried watching it since its original run. ENT was boring, its production values reminded me of those weird sci-fi series that Renaissance Film Productions tried to get off the ground, like MANTIS. Just cheap and dull.

by Anonymousreply 272Last Tuesday at 1:44 AM

[quote] ENT was boring,

In the beginning quite so but they as time passed they found their inner Kirk. Unfortunately by then most people had written them off and missed out.

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by Anonymousreply 273Last Tuesday at 3:00 AM

DS9 is phenomenal once it hits its stride (the third season, particularly by the prophetic mid season two-parter “Past Tense”). It’s also aged far better than any of the older shows. It had a fantastic cast that truly grew to become a family, albeit a realistically dysfunctional one. I swear if you rewatch it, by the time you get to the final season you’ll never want it to end. There’s an episode called ‘The Visitor’ which may be the finest episode Star Trek ever made, and if you don’t end up a blubbering wreck you officially have no soul.

I’m afraid by comparison Voyager and Enterprise fight do it for me and I ended up bailing on both. I finally finished rewatching then about 10 years ago and doing so just confirmed I hadn’t missed much. I think the problem was Rick Berman was heavily involved in both and by that point he, and the franchise, was running on fumes. It ended and the right time and really needed a long break.

by Anonymousreply 274Last Tuesday at 3:40 AM

DS9 had a few tear jerkers.

Especially the one with Tony Todd as Sisko's adult son. Very touching and Todd should have won an Emmy.

Another one was the baseball episode where Sisko desperately wanted to beat the obnoxious Vulcan team. The Ferengi was an awful player so Sisko kept benching him. Then he finally realizes how much it means to the Ferengi and let's him play in the big game which ensured the loss but they still celebrated anyways. The Vulcan team captain was like, " but you lost."

by Anonymousreply 275Last Tuesday at 3:50 AM

The characterization on DS9 was off the hook, too.

I remember there was one where Worf and somebody else got captured and sent to a Dominion prison camp. Once they get there, they run into Bashir who was wearing the old style uniform not the new ones.

Now this has stretched over many episodes of him being imprisoned with a Changeling having replaced him but the writers never gave one clue that this had ever happened...at least not that I can remember. It was a total mind fuck.

by Anonymousreply 276Last Tuesday at 3:54 AM

I am mainly kidding, but I think people could never get past Enterprise's theme song.

by Anonymousreply 277Last Tuesday at 3:56 AM

I would actually put DS9's finding its footing in the back half of the second season. Some of the show's strongest episodes come from that run. It also introduces the Maquis for Voyager, but in typical DS9 fashion, used them in much more interesting ways than Voyager ever did. See also: Worf.

[quote]I remember there was one where Worf and somebody else

Garak. Another thing that DS9 does more like a contemporary show, build out a big cast of supporting and recurring characters, who are as integral to the story as the main crew.

That episode has one of my favorite moments. Worf is forced to fight with a succession of Jem'Hadar, and by the end is just getting pummeled. General Martok tells him that he's more than proved himself and it's okay if he stops fighting and allow himself to be killed so he can be released from his pain. Worf refuses to yield, which leads the Jem'Hadar First to yield instead, saying that while he can kill Worf, he won't be able to defeat him. *Sniff*

As much as Dorn loves his TNG castmates, he's prouder of DS9. You can tell.

by Anonymousreply 278Last Tuesday at 4:03 AM

I loved Martok so much.

by Anonymousreply 279Last Tuesday at 4:06 AM

I agree about DS9 getting into its groove in season 2 already. It didn't quite tell the stories people wanted (Maquis and Bajorian religion), but the way of story telling already found its stride. It also started the dominion arc.

About Enterprise's intro: I don't know what they were thinking. TNG had the grand intro from the movies, and ENT ended up with the 'smallest' piece of music intro possible. There was nothing grand on the show, everything looked smaller and grayer than all the other shows before. Not a good way to sway people away. Maybe this is criticism that's easier in hindsight but still. Just watch the TNG intro again, with Patrick Stewart's voice over. You are cold inside if you don't get the chills from this epic opening.

by Anonymousreply 280Last Tuesday at 4:45 AM

TNG is my sentimental favorite, but objectively it hasn't aged very well. And some episodes are some of the worst in Trek history.

by Anonymousreply 281Last Tuesday at 4:55 AM

I don't know if this will make any sense, but I also feel like DS9 hit the idea of Chosen Family better than any of the other series. The TNG cast certainly does as people, but they never quite sold it on screen in the same way. Voyager talked about it a lot, but REALLY didn't do it in a believable way.

But the DS9 folks...even if they fought and didn't always like each other, they always seemed to love each other. Odo and Quark drove each other crazy, but they would have been miserable without each other. And that's maybe BECAUSE they weren't all besties behind the scenes. Avery Brooks was very detached and treated it strictly as a job, but the rest of them clearly respect the hell out of him. And of course, Sisko's best quality (at the insistence of Brooks) was that he was a Really Good Dad.

"Nerys, please - Tell everyone I'll miss them."

"Even Quark?"

"Even Quark."

by Anonymousreply 282Last Tuesday at 5:00 AM

[Quote]am mainly kidding, but I think people could never get past Enterprise's theme song

I love, love, love the opening. It's bombastic, corny, spine-tingling and epic all at once it's a very emotive piece of music.

by Anonymousreply 283Last Tuesday at 6:05 AM

As silly as the theme is, I have to confess I like it too. More of the awesome graphics than the song, but it works together.

by Anonymousreply 284Last Tuesday at 6:08 AM

This thread has inspired me to go back and watch DS9. I watched it intermittently when it was first on. I was starting my career working long hours so I didn't make much of an effort to tape. I sometimes found all of the ongoing conflicts tedious, but since I missed a lot of episodes I lacked context. I can't seem to get into new dramas. This will comfort and nostalgia watching.

by Anonymousreply 285Last Tuesday at 6:29 AM

[quote]TNG is my sentimental favorite, but objectively it hasn't aged very well. And some episodes are some of the worst in Trek history.

And some are also the best in Trek history.

It seems like the terrible ones were the result of budget problems and other limitations so they could focus on a few really good episodes.

And, if you disagree with me, I'll have you ejected into space.

by Anonymousreply 286Last Tuesday at 6:33 AM

No one gives enough credit for “Face of the Enemy” to Carolyn Seymour.

No, don’t EJECT me into SPACE. I’ll eject myself.

by Anonymousreply 287Last Tuesday at 6:43 AM

TNG is my sentimental favourite although I agree with what others have said that it hasn't aged well and I'll admit that I rarely watch these days. But I love that cast and it was the show I grew up on. I think one of the reasons why I find TNG harder to watch nowadays is all the exposition. Let's face it, TV today is much quicker paced (almost to the point of ADHD) and it's rare for scenes to last more than a few minutes. TNG has episodes where conference scenes last 5 to 10 minutes. Not that it's a bad thing, but I do find it harder to sit through.

DS9 is without a shadow of a doubt the best written, most complex, and most realistic Star Trek series. One thing DS9 did was change the Trek philosophy slightly. Yes, Earth is a paradise but that doesn't mean the rest of the galaxy is. Like TNG, DS9 has a rocky start. It took the show three seasons to really find itself and for all the elements to come together. Also like Picard, the writers and Avery Brooks don't really 'find' Sisko until the 4th season. DS9 is worth it, but getting over the earlier episodes can be challenging.

VOY probably had the strongest start of any Trek spin-off, but the show's quality wanes as it goes along compared to TNG or DS9 which got stronger the longer it was on the air (though I would argue that the 7th season of DS9 and TNG are weaker). To me it's the weakest of the Trek shows of that era. It lacked significant character development, never lived up to it's potential of a ship alone against insurmountable odds, was riddled with continuity errors, and always fell back on old tropes. Additionally, VOY is the least "issues" Trek series. TNG and DS9 often dealt with morality issues and occasional social commentary, Voyager doesn't really do that at all. That being said, I agree with the notion that Voyager is comfort TV. It's immensely re-watchable because you can watch episodes at random from any season and not be lost at all. Nothing really changes on the show and the only things you need to know about Voyager is that 7 of 9 joins that cast halfway through.

by Anonymousreply 288Last Tuesday at 6:45 AM

Brent Spiner does seem like an asshole. His smitten (female) fans try to justify his snarkyness by saying "it's just his dry, sarcastic wit!" He's not really as witty and funny as he things he is. He reminds me of Robin Williams in way in that he's always "on", always trying to et a laugh, always trying to "amuse." And he hates cats. He hated the cats who played Spot the Cat with a passion because the cats didn't obey on command and would shooting to run late. At one convention session he said it straight out "I HATED that cat!" He got some boos from the audience for that. He's since claimed he doesn't hate cats, but it's obvious from the things that he says about the poor cats who played Spot that he does.

And isn't Spiner gay? Or maybe asexual? He has this weird vibe about him that way and he has no chemistry with any female actress he's done a love scene with. He supposedly married (although I don't think that's ever been verified) and he has a son. His "wife" looks like one of the Stepford Wives, like a robot. At conventions he frequently mentions his son but not his wife. At a convention someone asked him if he was single. He didn't say "no, I'm married to my wonderful wife Lori" or anything like that. He just said "No." It seemed weird.

by Anonymousreply 289Last Tuesday at 6:52 AM

[quote]Also like Picard, the writers and Avery Brooks don't really 'find' Sisko until the 4th season.

You can blame that one on the studio (and possibly Berman). The writers and Brooks had a very clear idea of who Sisko was, but the problem was that the studio thought it was too...shall we say "street" and forbade him from even shaving his head until the 4th season. The comments in the documentary from the rest of the cast (to a person) showed their disgust at the mandates.

Penny Johnson-Jerald also talked about how sexy she thought his shaved head was and how she loved touching it. She's not wrong.

by Anonymousreply 290Last Tuesday at 7:05 AM

Enterprise actually had a decent instrumental theme, though played over the closing credits. The only issue is the main instrument is a soaring electric guitar which dates it. There is a violinist who made a video for YouTube in which she plays a medley of all the ST series themes in chronological order. She's quite good, and some of her performance pales compared to the original studio recordings, but hearing "Enterprise" played by soaring strings instead of a rock guitar makes a galaxy of difference. This is what should have been over the opening credits.

I listen to what many DLers would consider the worst adult contemporary dreck ever created, but even I fast forward through that "going where my heart will take me, faith of the heart" crap.

by Anonymousreply 291Last Tuesday at 7:16 AM

For everyone talking about how great Marina and Jeri looked in the regular uniform, so did Jolene Blalock.

Even the pajama looking uniform they gave her in the third season was a vast improvement.

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by Anonymousreply 292Last Tuesday at 7:23 AM

This is going off topic since he wasn’t in TNG specifically, but does anyone have any dirt about Jeffrey Combs on the trek sets? He always pinged for me but claims to be straight.

by Anonymousreply 293Last Tuesday at 7:39 AM

[quote]And isn't Spiner gay? Or maybe asexual?

Well, he did do musical theater, and was in the original Broadway cast of "Sunday in the Park With George."

by Anonymousreply 294Last Tuesday at 8:03 AM

And he released an album of standards.

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by Anonymousreply 295Last Tuesday at 8:04 AM

[quote]I’m probably becoming the Jeffrey Combs troll

Someone has to!

by Anonymousreply 296Last Tuesday at 8:07 AM

I preferred Weyoun 6 over the others.

by Anonymousreply 297Last Tuesday at 8:16 AM

Frakes's taut buns in the "Data. something's got me!" seen are the best thing in any Trek series.

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by Anonymousreply 298Last Tuesday at 8:41 AM

I wish you hadn't done that. That was the last Weyoun clone.

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by Anonymousreply 299Last Tuesday at 9:04 AM

[quote] Patrick Stewart's bulge was so huge his costumes had to be specially made to hide the meat and veg, which proved difficult for the wardrobe department.

I've heard that said not about Patrick Stewart but Denise Crosby.

by Anonymousreply 300Last Tuesday at 9:10 AM

[quote] Frakes's taut buns in the "Data. something's got me!" seen

Oh, [italic]dear.[/italic]

by Anonymousreply 301Last Tuesday at 9:11 AM

[quote] And isn't Spiner gay?

I always wondered about Evan Evagora, Elnor from PICARD. Cannot really tell. He seems to be a bit of an enigma in this regard, doesn't he?

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by Anonymousreply 302Last Tuesday at 9:27 AM

I hated Marina's Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio "Scarface" hair in the pilot.

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by Anonymousreply 303Last Tuesday at 9:36 AM

R303 That's actually Marina's real hair. Marina wore her real hair in the pilot, and then used wigs. She only used her real hair in First Contact, Insurrection and her appearances on Voyager. For whatever reason, Marina wore a wig again in Nemesis (which she then stole and used for her appearance on Picard). Gates McFadden use her real hair in the pilot, and then switched between wigs and her real hair for much of the first season. When she returned, she wore wigs until the the sixth season episode "True Q" and then wore her real hair for the rest of her appearances as Beverly.

R302 I think Evan Evagora is straight. I think on another thread someone mentioned there were pics of him with a girlfriend on IG which were later deleted after they appeared to break up.

by Anonymousreply 304Last Tuesday at 9:54 AM

[43] and [46] Sorry to burst your bubbles about Frakes being bi-sexual, or living with a man. He's totally straight, married (to Genie Francis) for many years, with two kids. In the 80s, he was a roommate of Nathan Cook, and actor. They had both gone to Penn State. Sadly, Nathan died from complications with penicillin. But other than being friends... nothing more.

by Anonymousreply 305Last Tuesday at 10:02 AM

There was some "Crew Profile" of Data that featured Brent Spiner and people who worked with him. It also contained some film of Spiner recording his album of standards. Patrick Stewart, LeVar Burton, Jonathan Frakes and Michael Dorn did backup vocals on it. At one point during the segment Michael Dorn blurts out about Spiner "He sings like a WOMAN!" And he was right. He does!

by Anonymousreply 306Last Tuesday at 10:59 AM

I'm watching a random season two episode right now (jealous, betazoids?) and Pulaski is being a bigot already. Muldaur does have more screen presence than McFadden though.

There was a good crotch shot of Riker in the teaser.

by Anonymousreply 307Last Tuesday at 11:35 AM

[43] and [46] - Sorry to burst your bubble about being long-time posters here and not drawn by a Google alert.

by Anonymousreply 308Last Tuesday at 11:56 AM

What I've never understood in any Trek is why they use so few hot actors who can act and opt for not hot actors whose acting is so-so.

I mean the hot list is pretty short, even if you include women: Jeri Ryan, Jolene Blalock, Connor Trineer, Scott Bakula.

Even the characters who are supposed to be attractive like Riker and Chakotay are not all that good looking. Stephen Collins may be a creep, but at least he was hot like he was supposed to be when he played Decker in TMP.

by Anonymousreply 309Last Tuesday at 12:04 PM

Check the generations r309. Of course, focal points to sex objects change over the years?, right?

by Anonymousreply 310Last Tuesday at 12:10 PM

[quote]I mean the hot list is pretty short, even if you include women: Jeri Ryan, Jolene Blalock, Connor Trineer, Scott Bakula.

..Nichols, Takei, Siddiq, Farrell, Wang, Montgomery...

by Anonymousreply 311Last Tuesday at 12:11 PM

Why is R309 wondering why Star Trek couldn't be Melrose Place. Even after all these years.

by Anonymousreply 312Last Tuesday at 12:17 PM

It's a shame they never made a Laurel and Hardy biopic. Spiner would have been the perfect Stan Laurel.

by Anonymousreply 313Last Tuesday at 12:23 PM

Patrick Stewart was really hot, even though he was a daddy. His body was in fabulous shape.

by Anonymousreply 314Last Tuesday at 12:29 PM

I mean, he was 56 in First Contact, and he had these arms...

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by Anonymousreply 315Last Tuesday at 12:32 PM

[quote]Why is [R309] wondering why Star Trek couldn't be Melrose Place.

No one is asking for Melrose Place casting. But, when you position a character as a leading man, he ought to be, rather than have character actor looks.

by Anonymousreply 316Last Tuesday at 12:37 PM

I wonder what a male version of Seven would look like. Chris Evans with a codpiece?

by Anonymousreply 317Last Tuesday at 12:57 PM

[quote] Even the characters who are supposed to be attractive like Riker and Chakotay are not all that good looking

In what universe was Jonathan Frakes not all that good looking?

by Anonymousreply 318Last Tuesday at 1:05 PM

Michelle Forbes wasn't bad looking?

by Anonymousreply 319Last Tuesday at 1:27 PM

For the discussion of the Enterprise theme, the closing credits music is called "Archer's Theme" and is was composed by Dennis McCarthy, who won an Emmy for the DS9 theme.

Interestingly, it's also exactly the same length as the opening credits and has instrumentation and key changes that synch to advancements in the technology on screen.

Hmmmm.

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by Anonymousreply 320Last Tuesday at 1:53 PM

"In what universe was Jonathan Frakes not all that good looking?"

I never found him to be all that. He looked better with a beard; it helped cover up his pudgy face.

Here's something strange. At Trek conventions when asked how he was cast as Data Brent Spiner claims he was originally offered the role of Riker. Brent Spiner as the ship's resident sex symbol? That seems rather hard to believe. I never thought Frakes was particularly handsome but he certainly looked more attractive than Spiner. Spiner has a face meant for comedy roles.

by Anonymousreply 321Last Tuesday at 2:43 PM

Has anyone talked about Mulgrew's being raped. I wonder if that's what turned her into such a bitch.

by Anonymousreply 322Last Tuesday at 2:53 PM

[quote]Here's something strange. At Trek conventions when asked how he was cast as Data Brent Spiner claims he was originally offered the role of Riker. Brent Spiner as the ship's resident sex symbol?

I actually think that might have been true.

There are some interesting near-misses in the TNG cast too. We talked about some of the Rikers, but Yaphet Kotto auditioned for Picard (and I think Sisko as well), as did Roy Thinnes. I think they actually offered the part to Edward James Olmos. They had quite a few potential Datas, including at least one woman.

by Anonymousreply 323Last Tuesday at 3:05 PM

I'm glad they cast Data as a man, a man who looks like his creator. It's creepy, but if a male scientist had made a female android, and made it at least moderately attractive, everyone would assume it was intended to be a moving Real Doll more than a person.

And I just don't think the Trek people in the 80s would have thought of a female scientist making a female android in her own image.

by Anonymousreply 324Last Tuesday at 3:23 PM

R317 Actually I think Chris Hemsworth's coloring is closer to Jeri Ryan's. So yeah, Chris Hemsworth with a codpiece and padded pecs.

by Anonymousreply 325Last Tuesday at 3:27 PM

[quote]I'm glad they cast Data as a man, a man who looks like his creator.

When they first had Dr. Soong in an episode, they nearly didn't have Spiner play him, because they weren't sure of his playing Data, Lore, and Soong was feasible.

by Anonymousreply 326Last Tuesday at 3:29 PM

Jeri Ryan is germanic so it'd have to be someone german. Not flavor of the month Chris. Puke.

by Anonymousreply 327Last Tuesday at 3:30 PM

Hemsworth isn't Germanic? He sure looks it to me.

by Anonymousreply 328Last Tuesday at 3:35 PM

Y'all are being a bit literal about this male eye candy thought experiment.

by Anonymousreply 329Last Tuesday at 3:43 PM

R309 Objectively, Enterprise probably has the best looking cast of the entire franchise with only one actor being average (John Billingsley...who is actually one of the best actors on the show but never got anything to do). BTW, allegedly UPN was heavily involved in the casting of Enterprise which is why the cast was younger and more "Hollywood looking."

Star Trek is a sci-fi franchise aimed at straight male viewers between the ages of 18-35, so the physical appearance of male actors didn't matter nearly as much. Interestingly, modern Trek seems to have flipped that and I think many of the male actors in Trek today are better looking than the woman...I mean: Anson Mount, Ethan Peck, Santiago Cabrera, Evan Evagora.

by Anonymousreply 330Last Tuesday at 3:48 PM

[quote]BTW, allegedly UPN was heavily involved in the casting of Enterprise which is why the cast was younger and more "Hollywood looking."

They also pushed hard to cast Eric Close as Trip, but Braga wanted Connor Trineer, and stuck to his guns.

by Anonymousreply 331Last Tuesday at 3:49 PM

R331 I'm glad because Connor Trinner is one of the few highlights of Enterprise. I loved Archer and Trip's relationship (and assumed Archer was the bottom).

by Anonymousreply 332Last Tuesday at 3:51 PM

R331 also Simon MacCorkindale was Paramount's first choice for Archer but he turned them down wanting to stay in the UK.

by Anonymousreply 333Last Tuesday at 3:54 PM

According to Simon MacCorkindale, at least. Braga has said that the only person they seriously considered was Bakula.

I have never really understood why Bakula didn't work as Archer. I don't think I've ever seen him in another part that I didn't like him in, but it just didn't click.

by Anonymousreply 334Last Tuesday at 3:57 PM

Conor Trineer was great, it's too bad his career tanked.

by Anonymousreply 335Last Tuesday at 4:07 PM

R334 I adore Scott Bakula in fact, I'm pretty sure he's the first celebrity I ever blew my load to when I was a teenager. I think the summer of 9th grade, a local station used to play rereuns of Quantum Leap in the wee hours of the morning. The nutted to the episode where he's in the circus in those skintight white pants that left NOTHING to the imagination.

But yes, he didn't work as Archer and I think the reason for that was a lack of authority in his performance. It's hard to put into words but if you look at Patrick Stewart, Kate Mulgrew or Avery Brooks (particularly from the 4th season onward), there is a sense "militarily leadership" there, you believe that the crew would follow these people. Whereas Bakula's performances felt constrained and forced, he just seemed too "soft" in the role. He's a great actor, but I think this part was just out of his range.

by Anonymousreply 336Last Tuesday at 4:08 PM

[quote][R334] I adore Scott Bakula in fact, I'm pretty sure he's the first celebrity I ever blew my load to when I was a teenager. I think the summer of 9th grade, a local station used to play rereuns of Quantum Leap in the wee hours of the morning. The nutted to the episode where he's in the circus in those skintight white pants that left NOTHING to the imagination.

What about the one where he leaped into one of the space program chimpanzees and ran around for an hour like this?

The only episode where I thought he really fired on all cylinders was "Twilight," and that's largely because the plot called for him to do the same thing he was so good at on QL--be confused for an hour.

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by Anonymousreply 337Last Tuesday at 4:31 PM

I cannot believe anyone liked Enterprise. It was absolutely terrible. Trekkies hated it. It was just sex sex sex! And fans saw through the ruse.

by Anonymousreply 338Last Tuesday at 4:32 PM

[quote]He looked better with a beard; it helped cover up his pudgy face.

Pudgy face? Erm...no.

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by Anonymousreply 339Last Tuesday at 4:59 PM

Well, r338, as was mentioned upthread, the show changed a lot between its first and fourth season. Season three and four both somewhat rebooted the show. So when you say "it" was terrible, you need to be more specific which version of the show you mean.

by Anonymousreply 340Last Tuesday at 4:59 PM

Don't bother, R339, there's a contingent here who would pick on Karen Carpenter for being flabby.

by Anonymousreply 341Last Tuesday at 5:06 PM

R388 Season four of Enterprise is actually up there with one of the best seasons of any Trek series. Sadly, season four represents what the series should have been from day one. In all honesty thought, even if Enterprise had been the best Trek show ever written, it wouldn't have succeeded. If you were alive and a Star Trek fan by the late 90s, you'll remember the franchise fatigue that was at work then. Fans were frustrated with Berman and the declining quality of Voyager and Insurrection. The franchise really should have taken a break after Voyager and hired new talent. It's kind of laughable now to think that Enterprise was originally being marketed as the franchise's saviour.

by Anonymousreply 342Last Tuesday at 5:14 PM

I really never objected to the idea of Enterprise, and coming as it did a few weeks after 9/11, there was something about it that gave me a "We're going to be okay" feeling when I most needed it. I just think they had all this potential, and then immediately fell back into being a photocopy of Voyager, which in turn was a photocopy of TNG.

by Anonymousreply 343Last Tuesday at 5:20 PM

Marina Sirtis is a cock-sucking WHORE!

by Anonymousreply 344Last Tuesday at 5:23 PM

Enterprise was the gateway drug for Trek to go back and retcon everything.

The show was fine - not great, not terrible. But, I will never forgive it for making people think it was okay to go backwards instead of forward and play fast and loose with continuity.

by Anonymousreply 345Last Tuesday at 5:24 PM

R335 Did any of the Enterprise cast (besides Bakula and John Billingsly) have careers after that show? Trinner really should have been bigger given he was both attractive and talented but I think he was probably typecast and Enterprise was deemed to be a failure when it was cancelled.

by Anonymousreply 346Last Tuesday at 5:26 PM

Judging from that photo at R339 Frakes certainly does look better with his carb face covered by a beard.

by Anonymousreply 347Last Tuesday at 5:27 PM

Favorites Trek moments - 1.

Yes, I KNOW it's not TNG.

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by Anonymousreply 348Last Tuesday at 5:29 PM

[quote] Judging from that photo at [R339] Frakes certainly does look better with his carb face covered by a beard.

Oh, I get it. You’re trolling.

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by Anonymousreply 349Last Tuesday at 5:31 PM

[quote]Did any of the Enterprise cast (besides Bakula and John Billingsly) have careers after that show?

Linda Park, despite having a reputation as a bitch and some health struggles, does TV work here and there, and she's had recurring parts on two series since Enterprise.

Jolene Blalock married REAAAAALY well and doesn't need to work.

by Anonymousreply 350Last Tuesday at 5:33 PM

Favorite Trek Moments - 2

Yes, I KNOW it's not TNG.

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by Anonymousreply 351Last Tuesday at 5:36 PM

Favorite Trek Moments - 3

Etc.

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by Anonymousreply 352Last Tuesday at 5:38 PM

Favorite Trek Moments - 4

It IS from TNG!

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by Anonymousreply 353Last Tuesday at 5:40 PM

Yes, Jolene Blalock married the CEO of Live Nation (CHA-CHING!) either right before or right after Enterprise ended and has never had to worry about booking another job since. They're still married and have kids.

by Anonymousreply 354Last Tuesday at 5:45 PM

Favorite Trek Moments - 5

When Riker had a little boyfriend who turned out to be a shapeshifter who would do ANYTHING and be ANYTHING to keep Riker close.

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by Anonymousreply 355Last Tuesday at 5:46 PM

r353 I can't remember the name of that episode, but it was one of the WORST. It was the planet full of horny maniacs who wore diapers.

by Anonymousreply 356Last Tuesday at 5:47 PM

"Justice."

And then they tried to put Wesley today for stepping on some flowers.

They should have tried harder.

by Anonymousreply 357Last Tuesday at 5:48 PM

[quote]It was the planet full of horny maniacs who wore diapers.

Datalounge?

by Anonymousreply 358Last Tuesday at 5:50 PM

Haha r358. Horny maniacs who wore diapers and were obsessed with FOLLIES.

by Anonymousreply 359Last Tuesday at 5:52 PM

Favorite Trek Moments - 6

When men on TNG wore Space Skirts.

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by Anonymousreply 360Last Tuesday at 5:56 PM

To this day I cannot believe that the script for Insurrection was greenlighted for a feature film, the should've burned it and never spoken of it again. Especially coming off of First Contact, which was such a strong film. WTF were they thinking with that turd of a movie?

The only good thing about Insurrection is Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis's commentary track on the DVD. Sirtis was very funny:

"What the hell is going on here? Who are these people? I don't even remember filming this scene."

by Anonymousreply 361Last Tuesday at 5:57 PM

That track is great. She spends half of the time confused and the other half correctly identifying plot holes.

She admitted that she'd fallen asleep at the premier.

by Anonymousreply 362Last Tuesday at 6:03 PM

[quote]To this day I cannot believe that the script for Insurrection was greenlighted for a feature film

And yet, it was a masterpiece compared to Nemesis.

by Anonymousreply 363Last Tuesday at 6:12 PM

Marina Sirtis is funnier than a lot of stand up comics, the woman is a scream. Watch her con appearances on Youtube. She's also great with audience questions.

by Anonymousreply 364Last Tuesday at 6:14 PM

ST:TNG had a lot of really bad episodes. One of them featured Data in drag . Another had him getting comedy lessons from Joe Piscopo. Then there was the episode where the leader of a planet of African aliens wants to make Yar his wife, whether she wants to be his consort or not. God, some of those shows were SO bad.

by Anonymousreply 365Last Tuesday at 7:00 PM

The African episode is unbelievable now. WTF were they thinking? Even for the 80s it was pretty inappropriate.

by Anonymousreply 366Last Tuesday at 7:09 PM

R361 Insurrection has a bit of a complicated history. The film was green-lit the opening weekend of First Contact. Paramount and Berman wanted Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga (who had written the previous two TNG films) to write it, but they turned it down because they knew instinctively they couldn't top FC. Berman drafted Michael Piller to write the screenplay. Piller original wrote a much darker script entitled Star Trek: Stardust which was loosely based on the novella Heart of Darkness by Joseph Conrad and involved Picard having to kill Data. Paramount rejected the script because they wanted the next film the be lighter in tone. It was Berman who came up with the fountain of youth idea. The film needed more drafts (Piller admitted to this several times before his death) but Paramount wanted to rush the film into production so it could be out by November 1998.

I maybe alone in this, but I actually prefer Insurrection to Nemesis and Generations.

by Anonymousreply 367Last Tuesday at 9:16 PM

[quote] I maybe alone in this, but I actually prefer Insurrection to Nemesis and Generations.

Agree, but that's not a high bar

by Anonymousreply 368Last Tuesday at 9:23 PM

Generations was the worst.

Even Part 5 was superior to that shitfest.

The only thing that saved Nemesis was Tom Hardy, who was quite fuckable with his cute bald head.

In retrospect, Insurrection wasn't that bad.

by Anonymousreply 369Last Tuesday at 9:26 PM

I liked Generations. I thought it had some really good moments and the right tone.

by Anonymousreply 370Last Wednesday at 2:53 AM

I think Generations' problems are A) they didn't seem to trust the audience to follow the TNG crew without having to throw in Shatner (I mean, I LOVE the "don't let them promote you, don't let them transfer you" scene, but it's not worth the rest of it), B) they still shot on sets that weren't meant to be seen on a big screen. I mean, I get that it's a phenomenal waste of money to rebuild things that are just going to end up destroyed, but they really cheaped out on adapting them, just doing minor upgrades and using dim lighting to hide the rest.

The parts that are good are REALLY good, though.

by Anonymousreply 371Last Wednesday at 3:02 AM

[quote]Yes, Jolene Blalock married the CEO of Live Nation (CHA-CHING!) either right before or right after Enterprise ended and has never had to worry about booking another job since. They're still married and have kids.

By all accounts, they seem to have a pretty solid marriage. She wouldn't have had a hard time going down the Real Housewives path, and I think it's really to her credit that she didn't.

Instead, she runs a foundation that invests in developing countries and does disaster relief. They're building a reservoir in Haiti right now to provide farmers with clean water. They have a 100% rating on CharityNavigator. She's good people.

by Anonymousreply 372Last Wednesday at 3:13 AM

The only part of Generations I'll re-watch are aboard Enterprise B.

And let's get real. If the Matrix worked as advertised Kirk would have not come back fat

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by Anonymousreply 373Last Wednesday at 3:37 AM

[quoteWhen men on TNG wore Space Skirts.

Apparently regulations specified that if you wore the skirt you had to shave your legs. Or maybe that was just another one of those Starfleet fashion fads.

What I want to know is, why was TNG so unitarded? Those one piece outfits were not flattering on most of the guest stars.

By the way I just watched another season two ep and Pulaski has gone from shockingly rude to merely condescending. That's honestly a lot of growth between two episodes.

by Anonymousreply 374Last Wednesday at 3:42 AM

I love Jennifer Lien running naked around her front yard and getting busted by the cops.

by Anonymousreply 375Last Wednesday at 4:37 AM

[quote]The only part of Generations I'll re-watch are aboard Enterprise B.

The one thing that Generations unambiguously has going for it: Dennis McCarthy's score.

by Anonymousreply 376Last Wednesday at 5:05 AM

R369 I saw Insurrection in theaters when I was a teenager and then didn't it watch again until 2 or 3 years ago. Prior to re-watching it, I was in the camp about what terrible film it was, but I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it when I watched it again. It's not a great film and has a terribly weak plot, but it's fun and I think that's why I enjoyed it. I love the TNG cast and I think Insurrection more than the other three films plays on that chemistry and it's a really good nostalgia watch.

Generations, I can't sit through. I think it was too low key a movie for the TNG's cast first outing and the writers were too busy trying to subvert expectations.

Nemesis, I think, gets unfairly labelled as terrible because it's the film that ended the TNG movie franchise and bombed at the box office. It's not a great film by any means, but it does look and feel more cinematic than Gens or Ins. You can tell it's trying to be more than just another TNG outing. The issue is, the script needed another round of edits and they had a director who knew nothing of Star Trek. Most of the character scenes were cut and Data's death was absolutely terrible. But I still think it's pretty much TNG's second best film and that's not saying much.

by Anonymousreply 377Last Wednesday at 5:12 AM

[quote]Nemesis, I think, gets unfairly labelled as terrible because it's the film that ended the TNG movie franchise and bombed at the box office.

Their first mistake was opening a week before Two Towers. They were probably hoping that when screenings of that were sold out, they'd pick Nemesis as a second choice. Boy did they call that wrong. It's fairly high the list of biggest first-weekend dropoffs.

by Anonymousreply 378Last Wednesday at 5:21 AM

[quote]Spiner and Gates McFadden knew each other before they did Star Trek from the theater circuit in New York.

I went to a Trek convention a looooong time ago - I think the show had just gone off the air - and almost the only thing I remember is Spiner saying, "I knew Gates when she was Cheryl."

by Anonymousreply 379Last Wednesday at 5:26 AM

I have no idea why this has prompted me to re-watch Generations.

I wish the Enterprise-B stuff had been its own movie.

by Anonymousreply 380Last Wednesday at 6:50 AM

R378 Yes, the release date for Nemesis was, in retrospect, one of the factors in why it bombed so spectacularly (franchise fatigue and poor critical reception being the other major reasons). You are correct that part of Paramount's rationale for releasing Nemesis in December 2002 was that they believe the film would get the "overrun" business from sold out holiday screenings of The Two Towers and Harry Potter. In fact, this is one of the reasons why over 40 minutes off footage was cut from the film. Paramount wanted the run time under two hours to allow theaters to offer more screenings of Nemesis.

Nemesis got lost in the shuffle of three major films: Twin Towers, Chamber of Secrets and Die Another Die. The movie came out the week before one of the most anticipated sci-fi/fantasy films of the year and therefore much of the general audience that would be most inclined to see a film like Nemesis stayed home because they planned on seeing The Two Towers. This is why it came in second at the box office that weekend, being beaten by JLO's Maid in Manhattan.

As I mentioned, franchise fatigue was another huge reason the movie bombed. I vividly remember that the script for Nemesis leaked on the internet in the summer of 2002 and it was panned by fans. I also remember John Logan trying to do spin by saying that the version online was an earlier draft...it wasn't, it proved to be the shooting script. The fandom didn't like the script and added to this the outright hatred most Trek fans had for Berman by this point was all a recipe for disaster.

by Anonymousreply 381Last Wednesday at 7:20 AM

[quote][R369] I saw Insurrection in theaters when I was a teenager and then didn't it watch again until 2 or 3 years ago. Prior to re-watching it, I was in the camp about what terrible film it was, but I was surprised at how much I enjoyed it when I watched it again. It's not a great film and has a terribly weak plot, but it's fun and I think that's why I enjoyed it. I love the TNG cast and I think Insurrection more than the other three films plays on that chemistry and it's a really good nostalgia watch.

Leonard Nimoy knew for STIV (and Simon Pegg also knew for Star Trek Beyond) that if every member of the cast (except poor Gates) gets something fun to do, they will have a good time and the audience will also have a good time. The movie is so silly (and the Data parts are awful), but you also get the genuinely good Riker and Troi plot. The movie has plenty of faults, but they're not on the cast and they're not on Frakes, who directed the hell out of it.

[quote]The fandom didn't like the script and added to this the outright hatred most Trek fans had for Berman by this point was all a recipe for disaster.

At least it gave them some things to reuse in Enterprise to help stretch its budget. They recycled the Reman uniforms for the Xindi Reptilians, and I'm sure it freed up money to make the other Xindi species more distinctive.

by Anonymousreply 382Last Wednesday at 7:37 AM

The next episode of Star Trek Discovery is called Unification III - a continuation of TNG's Unification I & II with Spock on Romulus.

I'm actually excited to see it.

by Anonymousreply 383Last Wednesday at 8:19 AM

Brent Spiner reportedly refused to be in that awful "Nemesis (which he co-wrote) unless the character of Data was killed off. And he wonders why the movie flopped. What an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 384Last Wednesday at 9:23 AM

[quote]Brent Spiner reportedly refused to be in that awful "Nemesis (which he co-wrote) unless the character of Data was killed off. And he wonders why the movie flopped. What an idiot.

I didn't care about him being killed off. I just objected to yet another set of Spiner demanding to be actor-y.

Besides, you want indulgent, let's consider Stewart insisting on that goddamn dune buggy.

I moved on to First Contact. Whatever they paid Jerry Goldsmith for that sweeping theme, it wasn't enough.

by Anonymousreply 385Last Wednesday at 11:15 AM

[quote]I moved on to First Contact. Whatever they paid Jerry Goldsmith for that sweeping theme, it wasn't enough.

That really was the best since TMP.

by Anonymousreply 386Last Wednesday at 11:20 AM

I have a real fondness for Cliff Eidelman's Undiscovered Country score, but First Contact is awfully close.

by Anonymousreply 387Last Wednesday at 11:27 AM

R385 must have watched the Red Letter Media reviews? Or is he Jay? Mr. Plinkett tears Patrick Stewart up pretty good over the dune buggy incident.

by Anonymousreply 388Last Wednesday at 11:29 AM

I don't think I've ever watched a Red Letter Media video (I only vaguely know what it is), but I do know that whole thing only happened because Stewart wanted it.

Imagine the universe where Lieutenant Hawk, rather than being played by noted homophobe Neil McDonough, was instead played by non-homophobe Adam Scott, who had to settle for being the Defiant helmsman with two lines.

by Anonymousreply 389Last Wednesday at 11:35 AM

In addition to the notorious Plinkett Star Wars prequel reviews, RLM also has very good YouTube reviews of various Trek productions.

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by Anonymousreply 390Last Wednesday at 11:39 AM

I gotta say, for late-stage Riker, Frakes looks damned good in First Contact. He'd have been very popular at Bear Week.

by Anonymousreply 391Last Wednesday at 11:44 AM

Why, it's JB Fletcher's beloved nephew Grady!

by Anonymousreply 392Last Wednesday at 12:30 PM

[quote] Wil Wheaton was a pass-around bottom.

Was?

by Anonymousreply 393Last Wednesday at 12:34 PM

Now he's a passed out bottom.

by Anonymousreply 394Last Wednesday at 12:35 PM

We need a DS9 thread.

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by Anonymousreply 395Last Wednesday at 12:53 PM

Whoopi Goldberg stuck out like a sore thumb on that show. How did she get cast in a Star Trek tv series? I heard it happened like this. When she heard Gene Roddenberry was going to do another Star Trek tv series she contacted him and kissed his ass from here to kingdom come, gushing about how she lovedlovedloved the original Star Trek and how Uhura was one of her role models and how she'd lovelovebloe to be part of any new Star Trek series. So she got the part she begged for, some kind of all knowing, all seeing alien named Guinan who runs the ship's bar. The role consisted of her sitting behind the bar, clad in purple with a matching satellite dish hat on her head, looking infuriatingly smug and dispensing sage advice to all the crew members who have no clue how to handle problems of a personal nature. I detested Guinan, who was only a vehicle for Whoopi Goldberg. And I always thought than since she was considered such a font of wisdom why didn't they just go to HER whenever there was a crisis on the ship: "The Klingons have surrounded the ship and taken Captain Picard hostage. Quick, let's go to the bar and aski Guinan what to do! She'll know! She knows EVERYTHING!"

by Anonymousreply 396Last Wednesday at 12:59 PM

I think they wrote her very much in the way that she didn't know. When Riker was fighting Locutus, her advice was somewhat helpful, but her advice was never very practical. And it's not that she knew the future.

by Anonymousreply 397Last Wednesday at 1:10 PM

She was kind of like Yoda. He also was a mysterious one-of-a-kind alien with a big mouth and not much else to offer.

by Anonymousreply 398Last Wednesday at 1:12 PM

Since they could never be sure of Whoopi's availability, they used to write Guinan's lines to be ambiguous enough that Troi could deliver them if she wasn't free that week.

I will never hate on Whoopi for one reason: She was the first person to get the door cracked for gay people. In the episode "The Offspring," where Data builds a daughter, Guinan has to explain love to the daughter, Lal. The line was scripted "When a man and a woman..." and Whoopi informed Frakes (who directed) that she would be saying "When two people..." That even almost got same-sex couples placed in Ten Forward for the scene, until Berman freaked out.

And I adored when Stewart was on the View promoting Picard, and he told her that he'd really like her to come do an episode. It was clearly a complete surprise: she teared up and said yes. Guinan seems to have meant the world to her.

by Anonymousreply 399Last Wednesday at 1:14 PM

"Guinan seems to have meant the world to her."

Oh, please! That role was just another way to promote herself. She wanted to be part of a major franchise become of the money and prestige. That's all there was to it. Stop giving Whoopi Goldberg all these noble attributes. It's always been about herself.

by Anonymousreply 400Last Wednesday at 1:33 PM

Okay, Rosie. Whatever.

by Anonymousreply 401Last Wednesday at 1:35 PM

R391 Frakes look rested and appeared to have lost weight and buffed up a bit for First Contact. I also think Gates McFadden looks spectular in FC (minus the dated Jennifer Aniston haircut). Just prior to filming FC, McFadden was a regular on a TV series called The Marker which started Richard Grieco. It was filmed in Hawaii and the sun bleached her hair blonde and she decided to keep it and that's why Crusher looks tanned in some scenes and not in others.

by Anonymousreply 402Last Wednesday at 3:12 PM

[quote]McFadden was a regular on a TV series called The Marker which started Richard Grieco.

Oh, I hope Gates fucked him.

Was that her real hair? I mean, we know about Gates and her wigs.

by Anonymousreply 403Last Wednesday at 4:00 PM

R403 Gates stopped wearing wigs from season 6 ("True Q" to be exact) right through Nemesis. I don't know about her and Richard Grieco but she was married at the time but that marriage ended sometime in the early 00s.

by Anonymousreply 404Last Wednesday at 4:18 PM

Gates didn’t wear wigs. She always had nice hair, as is evidenced in this cast interview.

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by Anonymousreply 405Last Wednesday at 4:21 PM

She did. I don't quite understand why though. As r405's clip shows, her hair was beautiful.

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by Anonymousreply 406Last Wednesday at 4:28 PM

R405 Yes, Gates wore wigs until season six, she talks about it all the time on Twitter. The hair style she wears in this video is actually longer that she ever had it on the show.

R406 Gates and Marina wore wigs because the wigs could be styled without them having to be there. Gates says she stopped wearing wigs, because they were giving her a headache due to the heat that collected in it.

by Anonymousreply 407Last Wednesday at 4:40 PM

Here is a clip of Gates on The Joan Rivers Show. At 4:00 they talk about Gates wearing wigs on TNG.

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by Anonymousreply 408Last Wednesday at 4:45 PM

I guess I thought the horrible Irish Setter looking hairdo she had in the first season was because she had kind of thin, unhealthy hair.

She does look great in First Contact. Honestly, so did Marina.

Frakes said on the commentary track that they were all happy to get to go on location (in addition to the scenes shot around LA, they also filmed in Tucson for a few days) and got to hang out and wear something other than the uniforms.

by Anonymousreply 409Last Wednesday at 4:48 PM

The real dirt about Trek is the utter cultural bankruptcy of the 24th century Federation. Anytime anybody wanted to perform in a play, hear music, or read novels they had to refer to Elizabethan England, jazz New York or pulp fiction from pre-WW2 San Francisco.

At least Babylon 5 had Rebo and Zooty.

by Anonymousreply 410Last Wednesday at 4:53 PM

Thankfully, they seem to have found the money to license songs for Disco.

by Anonymousreply 411Last Wednesday at 4:54 PM

Marina’s hair on the show was an obvious hairpiece.

by Anonymousreply 412Last Wednesday at 4:59 PM

R412 Star Trek has a long history of obvious wigs/hairpieces for actresses. Marina's was terrible really until the final season. Gates' hair style around season 4 or 5 (the longer, thicker wig with the hair clip) was so obviously a wig. Kate Mulgrew's bob from season 5 onward was so obviously a piece that's really noticeable on HD tvs.

by Anonymousreply 413Last Wednesday at 5:18 PM

Sirtis was pissed when McFadden came back in Season 3 because the doctor was given expensive human hair wigs, while Sirtis was still stuck with her crappy, enormous artificial hair wigs.

by Anonymousreply 414Last Wednesday at 5:32 PM

"I didn't care about him being killed off."

Lots of fans DID care about Data being killed off. He was one of the most popular characters on the show. There was no reason for him to be killed off. If Spiner didn't want to play him anymore, fine, but the demise of the character was totally unnecessary. When gibed about Data getting killed off he always says the same thing: that Data was "a FICTIONAL CHARACTER!" He was a fictional character, so why should anybody care if he got killed off? Spiner must be incredibly dense. Being part of the Star Trek franchise he should be well aware that fictional characters mean a lot to people. Spock was a fictional character, but when he came to his demise in "The Wrath of Khan" audiences were devastated.

I really liked the character of Data. I thought he was the most likable character on the show. The rest of the cast weren't particularly likable at all. I wouldn't have cared if any of them got blown up.

by Anonymousreply 415Last Wednesday at 6:14 PM

R414 Yeah Marina and Gates have confirmed that there was a bit of head butting between the two of them when Gates returned in season 3 (it's talked about a bit on the blu rays by Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga). Reading between the lines, I think the producers gave Gates a bit of preferential treatment when she came back given what had gone down at the end of the season 1, and this got under Marina's skin. But they obviously patched it up, cause they get a long well BUT it's clear Gates sometimes finds Marina a bit much to take.

by Anonymousreply 416Last Wednesday at 6:33 PM

What's the dirt on Michael Dorn? Never married, Marina Sirtis is his best friend.

by Anonymousreply 417Last Wednesday at 6:39 PM

"Star Trek has a long history of obvious wigs/hairpieces for actresses."

You don't say!

by Anonymousreply 418Last Wednesday at 7:14 PM

"Star Trek has a long history of obvious wigs/hairpieces for actresses."

You don't say!

by Anonymousreply 419Last Wednesday at 7:14 PM

Didn’t Michael Dorn date Terry Farrell when they were on DS9 together? No hetero, obviously, but I always found Terry utterly gorgeous and so warm and charming.

On the topic of wigs, Troi’s wigs are particularly noticeable in the HD remasters. You can practically see where they clip the hairpieces onto her head around the hairband. They also overdid the volume of ‘hair’—no one has that much hair! When I rewatched the series recently, I noticed the wig looked particularly bad in the third season. It looked dry, brittle and just really bad quality. The makeup they gave Marina that season looks terrible in the HD remaster, with far too much blusher and bright red lipstick. I think she looked far better in the fourth and fifth seasons though.

by Anonymousreply 420Last Thursday at 1:38 AM

[quote] no one has that much hair!

Tell that to Tawny Kitaen.

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by Anonymousreply 421Last Thursday at 1:52 AM

I remember when Mikey Dorn was in that Valentine’s Day episode of Gimme A Break as Addie’s date. He was wearing so much pancake make-up that it made the Worf make-up look tame by comparison.

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by Anonymousreply 422Last Thursday at 1:59 AM

Dorn is at the 17 minute mark. He looks funeral home ready.

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by Anonymousreply 423Last Thursday at 2:00 AM

Yikes, r423–he looks like Michael Jackson.

by Anonymousreply 424Last Thursday at 5:10 AM

[quote]The makeup they gave Marina that season looks terrible in the HD remaster, with far too much blusher and bright red lipstick.

In the first season, they shellac so much makeup on Gates and Marina, they both look like hookers.

Gates' cosmetic procedures have settled in the past few years. About ten years ago, she really went overboard. She had like two scenes in a low-budget gay movie called Make The Yuletide Gay (she had to have either been friends with the producer or was blackmailed), and she looked more like someone went to the surgeon and said "Make me look kinda like Gates McFadden."

The Vulcan eyebrows don't help.

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by Anonymousreply 425Last Thursday at 5:18 AM

R425 I actually think in Make the Yuletide Gay it's mostly botox and fillers.

This is her at the Star Trek Discovery premiere in 2017. She is heavily boxtoed here, cheek fillers, with veneers, and I'm guessing a partial face lift. She has toned it down. I saw pictures of her from the Star Trek Cruise back in March, and she looks more natural then.

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by Anonymousreply 426Last Thursday at 6:16 AM

[quote]This is her at the Star Trek Discovery premiere in 2017. She is heavily boxtoed here, cheek fillers, with veneers, and I'm guessing a partial face lift

If you told me that was Marina, it would take me a minute to realize it isn't.

That was also a period where Frakes had slimmed down again. He was quite distinguished-looking in the mid 10s, but not so much when he appeared on Picard.

by Anonymousreply 427Last Thursday at 6:23 AM

Yikes R426! Those eyebrows are something else!

This is her at a convention last year and she looks more natural. I think for sure she's had a facelift, she's had the bags under her eyes removed, a neck lift, and fillers and botox. I also like her hair natural. Gates admitted on Twitter a few years ago that she is actually NOT a natural red head.

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by Anonymousreply 428Last Thursday at 6:25 AM

Wow r426! I seriously would not have known who that was.

by Anonymousreply 429Last Thursday at 7:24 AM

"In the first season, they shellac so much makeup on Gates and Marina, they both look like hookers."

It was the 80s! Heavy makeup was in style!

In those days, the standard advice was "Do the lips AND the eyes! And plenty on the cheeks and eyebrows, and get the foundation down to the neckline."

by Anonymousreply 430Last Thursday at 7:51 AM

Definitely a facelift. I noticed that Nana Visitor has likely had one too, for me the giveaway is the mouth becomes much bigger, as it’s been stretched.

by Anonymousreply 431Last Thursday at 1:33 PM

It wasn't a facelift, it was just a little Eterna 27.

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by Anonymousreply 432Last Thursday at 2:41 PM

This is what she had done.

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by Anonymousreply 433Last Thursday at 2:44 PM

Amateurs...

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by Anonymousreply 434Last Thursday at 3:52 PM

This was Gates in 2005 looking older than she does today....she's had a ton of shit done!

R431 Yes, I think Nana got some work down two or three years ago, but it's more subtle.

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by Anonymousreply 435Last Thursday at 4:51 PM

So Star Trek: Picard is set to film seasons 2 and 3 (with 3 likely being the final season) back to back starting at the end of January in LA. Both Evan Evagora and Jonathan Frakes have confirmed this and stated the cast and crew will be required to self-isolate for 14 days prior to filming and test negative for covid. It also sounds all the TNG regulars are going to appear (Evan hinted at Worf appearing). LeVar has all but confirmed he will be in season 2 and Gates has hinted producers have reached out to her but her appearance might be later. I always suspected Dr. Crusher will appear in the final season.

by Anonymousreply 436Last Friday at 9:13 AM

Are they going to film that and Strange New Worlds simultaneously? I know the latter is probably going to film in Toronto, but did they push it back because COVID has worsened to much in Canada?

by Anonymousreply 437Last Friday at 9:16 AM

R437 Discovery season four is currently filming in Toronto. Apparently the cast had to fly to Canada 16 days prior to filming, and are living sequestered in the same condo building near the studio. They also are tested for COVID regularly. Strange New Worlds is currently in pre-production with the cast expected to fly out to Canada in January.

by Anonymousreply 438Last Friday at 9:24 AM

R417 Apparently, Michael Dorn is not gay. Several years back I was at a convention where Marina was speaking (and she slightly drunk which apparently is very common at the big Vegas convention). Always, the subject of Dorn came up and she was like "If Dorny was gay, do y'all think I'd be able to keep my big mouth closed about it. " Apparently he and Terry Farrell did bone for a while when he first joined the cast, and apparently he has a female partner he's been with for about 10 years now. She's is with him in this photos from last year's TNG christmas reunion.

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by Anonymousreply 439Last Saturday at 9:56 AM

Has anyone talked Patrick Stewart and Jennifer Hetrick (Vash) yet? Stewart and Hetrick began dating after the met on the TNG episode "Captain's Holiday," Stewart had just divorced his first wife. When they shot "Q-Pid" the following year they were engaged. The relationship didn't know end well (allegedly Stewart was caught hooking with TNG co-producer Wendy Neuss) and Hetrick was never asked back on TNG though she did make an appearance on DS9.

by Anonymousreply 440Last Saturday at 10:08 AM

Didn't know about Stewart and Hetrick but certainly can't blame him. She was hot.

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by Anonymousreply 441Last Saturday at 11:17 AM

Ugh. Vash was supremely annoying.

by Anonymousreply 442Last Saturday at 12:05 PM

I was an extra for six episodes of the first season, playing a science officer, civilian and a couple of aliens.

Costume designer Bill Theiss was quite handsy with the tape measure, but I let him as long as he didn’t fit me in a skant. Gates McFadden was a bitch. Jonathan Frakes wore a girdle. Will Weaton was annoying. Denise Crosby hated being there. Patrick Stewart and Brent Spiner were always nice to the extras..

I lifted up his skant and went down on another officer (ex-Colt model) when we snuck off to the shuttle set.

by Anonymousreply 443Last Saturday at 12:26 PM

R400 There wasn’t really any prestige associated with guest starring on a syndicated science fiction show. Whoopi was doing films at that point, so if anything, doing tv appearance wold be slumming it.

by Anonymousreply 444Last Saturday at 12:40 PM

[quote]Costume designer Bill Theiss was quite handsy with the tape measure, but I let him as long as he didn’t fit me in a skant.

The man was a brilliant costume designer. I don't know how he pulled off some of the stuff he did on TOS.

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by Anonymousreply 445Last Saturday at 1:09 PM

"There wasn’t really any prestige associated with guest starring on a syndicated science fiction show. Whoopi was doing films at that point, so if anything, doing tv appearance wold be slumming it."

It was a STAR TREK tv series, part of a lucrative franchise; there was no "slumming" involved by being part of it. Whoopi Goldberg knew it would be a big deal, which is why she kissed Rodenberry's ass so fervently in order to get written into the show. She got a lot of mileage out of her role as the insufferable Guinon; she ever got film work because of the ST:TNG movies. She knew a good thing when she saw it, which is why she crawled after a part, any part, in the tv series. Poor Whoopi, begging to be in Star Trek. How pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 446Last Saturday at 2:08 PM

Wow r446. That’s fantasy. But ok... I guess you need some fantasy. At the time, it was big news that Whoopi wanted to be a part of the show. It wasn’t big until a few years later.

by Anonymousreply 447Last Saturday at 2:11 PM

R446, you really sound like you have a personal issue with Goldberg. Did she steal your boyfriend at some point?

by Anonymousreply 448Last Saturday at 2:17 PM

The show wasn’t big, that is.

by Anonymousreply 449Last Saturday at 2:22 PM

Don't you all know that Whoopi On Assistance was desperate for work in the late 80s? Sure, she made 7 or 8 movies between 1985-1990, and was nominated for an Academy Award, and was also getting attention for Comic Relief USA. But she was so broke she had to beg for a recurring role on a syndicated show. I heard she blew half of Paramount to get that life-changing gig.

by Anonymousreply 450Last Saturday at 2:23 PM

"You really sound like you have a personal issue with Goldberg. Did she steal your boyfriend at some point?"

Has Whoopi Goldberg ever had a boyfriend? If so, I imagine he must have been paid very well.

by Anonymousreply 451Last Saturday at 3:02 PM

" But she was so broke she had to beg for a recurring role on a syndicated show. "

Nobody said she was broke, you idiot. But she DID beg to be on ST:TNG. She knew Star Trek fans are fanatical. She knew she'd get a lot out of being on a Star Trek series. For some reason Whoopi Goldberg has always done ANYTHING; a sitcom, a kid's show, a game show. And a Star Trek series. It all seems to smack of kind of a desperation to keep being noticed. Pretty pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 452Last Saturday at 3:07 PM

[quote]Has Whoopi Goldberg ever had a boyfriend?

Ted Danson...Frank Langella....

by Anonymousreply 453Last Saturday at 3:08 PM

WTF is up with the Whoopi Hater? Is he one of the "The View" obsessives? Did she send her salmon back to the kitchen when he was waiting on her?

Sure, knock yourself out, but saying that doing movies and TV and theater and talk shows makes her seem desperate isn't a valid criticism. It makes her seem like a proper character actor, one who takes a good role wherever she finds one like a versatile working actor should, and someone who's smart enough to talk on national TV for a living. Find some other reason to bitch about her.

by Anonymousreply 454Last Saturday at 3:11 PM

"Ted Danson...Frank Langella...."

Ted Danson appeared to have a few screws loose, showing up to perform in blackface at a roast of Goldberg. And Langella is said to be gay. His memoir makes him sound like the bitchiest of queens.

by Anonymousreply 455Last Saturday at 3:11 PM

"Find some other reason to bitch about her."

Well, she HAS gone on her "talk show" to defend Michael Vick (animal torturer and killer), Michael Jackson (child molester) and Mel Gibson (racist and anti-semite). Didn't you know that? You don't seem to know much.

by Anonymousreply 456Last Saturday at 3:14 PM

[quote]WTF is up with the Whoopi Hater? Is he one of the "The View" obsessives?

I just can't with grown men who watch The View. So, so sad.

by Anonymousreply 457Last Saturday at 3:15 PM

Whoopi's ex-husband Lyle Trachtenberg was hot

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by Anonymousreply 458Last Saturday at 3:24 PM

Whoopi was starring in feature films at the time, it was unheard of for a movie star to want to do tv, much less a syndicated tv show.

The times were a LOT different back then. Movie stars didn't do tv, there was a big divide about that.

by Anonymousreply 459Last Saturday at 3:26 PM

Personally I liked Whoopi on Trek. But then I'm not somebody who would toilet paper her house like this guy.

by Anonymousreply 460Last Saturday at 4:11 PM

[quote] Patrick Stewart just adored Gates McFadden, and was furious when they fired her.

I think Patrick Stewart has a thing for redheads. Have you ever seen the Tonight Show, when he was on the same episode as Reba McEntire?

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by Anonymousreply 461Last Saturday at 5:07 PM

R389, since when is Neal McDonough a homophobe? I recall him being quite chill when talking about Lt. Hawk being revealed as gay in that novel after the fact, though nothing was ever said to him about it at the time of filming.

by Anonymousreply 462Last Saturday at 8:55 PM

R443 are there any screenshots of you as an extra?

by Anonymousreply 463Last Saturday at 11:41 PM

R452 has transporter psychosis. Recommend euthanasia.

by Anonymousreply 464Yesterday at 12:53 AM

If Stewart is a real class act, he'll invite Muldaur to reprise her Pulaski role on PICARD.

by Anonymousreply 465Yesterday at 2:11 AM

That would be pretty awesome actually. She is 82, and not sure she would come out of retirement for this. I'd love it though, even if just for one scene.

by Anonymousreply 466Yesterday at 3:09 AM

I remember when Muldaur was doing press for LA Law, she praised the writing on the show saying it was so much better than SNG, which she found less than inspirational (I don't remember her ever saying anything negative about any of the actors). Of course that might have been before she fell down the elevator shaft. She was kind of a shot in the arm the show needed at the point, I was surprised they killed her off.

by Anonymousreply 467Yesterday at 3:55 AM

[quote]If Stewart is a real class act, he'll invite Muldaur to reprise her Pulaski role on PICARD.

Unfortunately, Pulaski fell down a turbolift shaft during her next assignment.

by Anonymousreply 468Yesterday at 3:56 AM

[quote](I don't remember her ever saying anything negative about any of the actors)

She wouldn't have done that. She was on the SAG board of directors and was the first woman to be president of the ATAS.

by Anonymousreply 469Yesterday at 4:03 AM

R463, you should have asked for a screenshot of the Colt model in the skort that he blew...

by Anonymousreply 470Yesterday at 4:37 AM

I'm watching The Ensigns of Command now and they keep going on and on about The Shelly Hack.

by Anonymousreply 471Yesterday at 5:17 AM

R462 Neal McDonough is a fundamentalist Catholic (part of the same wing as Amy Coney Barrett). Officially, he was fired from “Scoundrels” in 2010 because he refused to film a kissing scene with his onscreen love interest played by Virginia Madsen because he considered it cheating on his real life wife. Unofficially based on things that cast and producers have said, McDonough had made numerous sexist, racist, and homophobic remarks and that added to his refusal to do any kind of romantic scenes (that were listed in the contract he signed) he was let go.

by Anonymousreply 472Yesterday at 6:38 AM

I've posted on other Star Trek threads, but I used to work for ComicCon Toronto and have had dealings with may Star Trek cast alums. Out of the TNG cast, the guys (minus Brent Spiner) were always the easiest to deal with.

Patrick Stewart was very gentlemanly.

Jonathan Frakes very sociable, will talk to anyone. Very down to Earth. My favourite member of the cast.

LeVar Burton was chill, kind of zen.

Michael Dorn, quiet on his own but animated when he was with other cast members. He's more of the type if he wants something, like water or coffee, he'll get it himself.

Brent Spiner was a pain on the ass. He was one of those actors who did conventions because he wanted/needed the money. Always rude to staff and volunteers.

Gates McFadden: Quiet and moody. Never rude but I think probably the most introverted of the cast. I don't think she enjoys doing conventions more because she finds them tiring rather than because she thinks they're beneath her like Spiner. She was nice to me though, made of point of remembering my name.

Marina Sirits: Sorry, but hated dealing with her. One of those "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM" types.

by Anonymousreply 473Yesterday at 6:47 AM

[quote]Neal McDonough is a fundamentalist Catholic (part of the same wing as Amy Coney Barrett). Officially, he was fired from “Scoundrels” in 2010 because he refused to film a kissing scene with his onscreen love interest played by Virginia Madsen because he considered it cheating on his real life wife. Unofficially based on things that cast and producers have said, McDonough had made numerous sexist, racist, and homophobic remarks and that added to his refusal to do any kind of romantic scenes (that were listed in the contract he signed) he was let go.

My first impression of Neal McDonough in First Contact was that he was really handsome.

His looks appear to have morphed quickly to match his insides...

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by Anonymousreply 474Yesterday at 6:49 AM

It sounds like Neal McDonough chose the wrong line of work.

by Anonymousreply 475Yesterday at 7:26 AM

If Neal McDonough is such a homophobe why would he play a gay man on Justified.

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by Anonymousreply 476Yesterday at 8:15 AM

Whenever I think of Neal McDonough, I think of his hilarious role in the little known early 2000s black comedy The Killing Club. He plays a lecherous, sleazy business exec to perfection, and delivers his rather colorful lines like an actor who'd have no problem with kissing a woman who's not his real life wife for a scene.

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by Anonymousreply 477Yesterday at 11:11 AM

"That’s fantasy. But ok... I guess you need some fantasy. At the time, it was big news that Whoopi wanted to be a part of the show. It wasn’t big until a few years later."

Nope, not fantasy. Sorry if it upsets you but it's true that Whoopi Goldberg crawled after a part on the new ST tv show. And the show did take a while for fans to warm up to it but it had nothing to do with Goldberg. She was totally superfluous. I know you love her, but those are the facts.

by Anonymousreply 478Yesterday at 12:10 PM

What’s with the Whoopi hating? She was a big star back then and getting her in a recurring role was a real coup for the show. End of story. Her character was fun and intriguing.I’m fascinated to see what they’ll do with her in Picard.

R437 interesting to hear your take,that’s pretty much the feeling I get from the cast. I’m not surprised Marina is a nightmare to work with. I suspect she may have a personality disorder,just based on the interviews and convention footage I’ve seen.

by Anonymousreply 479Yesterday at 12:30 PM

Don't hate Whoopi. Also, hate Marina.

Sorry, that juxtaposition just cracked me up. So Datalounge.

by Anonymousreply 480Yesterday at 1:20 PM

I'm surprised Marina Sirtis has a "Do you know who I am?" attitude. Doesn't she know that NO ONE knows who she is except Star Trek fans? By the way, she is one of the worst actresses on the planet. I thought it was so hilarious that she was playing an empath, a being that feels the emotions of others. She was totally wooden; it was like she had NO feelings, much less to ability to sense them in other forms of life.

by Anonymousreply 481Yesterday at 1:48 PM

I thought she was good in the season 2 episode where Troi gave birth to some alien thingie.

by Anonymousreply 482Yesterday at 1:57 PM

R481 is begging to be EJECTED INTO SPACE

by Anonymousreply 483Yesterday at 2:00 PM

Oh I don’t hate Whoopi or Marina. Just noting that she clearly has some personality issues, as I’ve seen in more than a few clips. It’s all the more shocking because she’s actually the total opposite of Troi. In fact, the episode where Troi is possessed by an evil entity is probably Marina playing herself ;)

by Anonymousreply 484Yesterday at 2:00 PM

I do remember being surprised at the way Whoopi wanted to be on SNG, but I think she was realistic about career prospects in show biz for middle-aged, less-than-beautiful Black woman. She scrambled around to keep working instead of waiting for the next good script and she's now an old less-than-beautiful Black woman who continues to work. I respect her for that, even though I never could stand the character of Guinan.

by Anonymousreply 485Yesterday at 2:12 PM

Wasn't straight porn star Randy Spears also on a few episodes of TNG as a background character?

Anyone know the episodes?

by Anonymousreply 486Yesterday at 2:16 PM

Whoopi's interest in Star Trek is pretty understandable. Uhura was an icon to a generation of little Black girls

She recalls approaching Trek creator Gene Roddenberry when TNG was just getting started and telling him, "I really want to be on this show." So she met with Roddenberry and executive producer Rick Berman, and they asked her why she wanted to be a part of Star Trek so badly.

"I said, 'Do you not know that, prior to your show, there were no black people in any sci-fi, anywhere?" Goldberg remembers. Roddenberry couldn't believe that, but he called Goldberg up a few days later and told her, "You know what? I checked, and you're right."

Goldberg is, of course, referring to Lt. Uhura, the communications officer played by Nichelle Nichols on the original Star Trek TV series from 1966 to 1969. As a respected member of the Enterprise crew, Uhura was a trailblazing role for African-Americans on TV; Nichols later revealed that Martin Luther King Jr. himself (!) told her how important her Trek role was in promoting racial equality.

And the role certainly inspired a young Whoopi Goldberg. "When I was a little girl, it was like, 'Oh, we are in the future.' Uhura did that for me. So I want to be on your show," she told Roddenberry and Berman.

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by Anonymousreply 487Yesterday at 2:22 PM

[quote]Wasn't straight porn star Randy Spears also on a few episodes of TNG as a background character?

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by Anonymousreply 488Yesterday at 2:24 PM

R481 I like Marina but yes I've heard from conventions staff (particularly at Las Vegas Trek) that she can be difficult because she views herself as "the queen of Star Trek conventions" because she pretty much makes her living on the convention circuit these days.

I don't actually think Marina is a terrible actress, It came down to the writing. Her work on Star Trek Picard was her best work ever in Star Trek, but on TNG she had very limited material and no clear character arc. Gates McFadden had the same issue. Her acting is kind of flat but in the rare episodes she had something to do so was great (I mean as terrible as Sub Rosa is, she acted the hell out of that).

by Anonymousreply 489Yesterday at 2:59 PM

[quote] she views herself as "the queen of Star Trek conventions"

Might it also be because she played the daughter of Majel Barrett, the original Queen of Star Trek, and therefore sees herself as the successor.

by Anonymousreply 490Yesterday at 3:07 PM

[quote]She was totally wooden; it was like she had NO feelings, much less to ability to sense them in other forms of life.

"I'm sensing cuntiness."

by Anonymousreply 491Yesterday at 3:41 PM

quote[ (I mean as terrible as Sub Rosa is, she acted the hell out of that).]

I know it is not a good episode, but this one is kind of a guilty pleasure of mine - it makes no sense, but I enjoy it.

by Anonymousreply 492Yesterday at 3:54 PM

Who among us HASN'T been seduced by a candle???

by Anonymousreply 493Yesterday at 3:56 PM

Marina gave me one of my favorite childhood supervillains

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by Anonymousreply 494Yesterday at 3:57 PM

Sub Rosa was a blatant ripoff of an Anne Rice story (can't remember which one) and I think Rice threatened to sue.

by Anonymousreply 495Yesterday at 4:15 PM

[quote] are there any screenshots of you as an extra?

I have a Star Trek wiki page with a few stills, and in an episode teaser which is on YouTube.

by Anonymousreply 496Yesterday at 4:24 PM

It was her Mayfair Witches story.

In between its initial airing, they added a credit to “Sub Rosa” that said “Based upon Material by Jeanna F Gallo,” which seems like they were crediting Rice without crediting her. I mean, Jeanna F Gallo is supposedly a freelance writer who Jeri Taylor knew, but she only has two credits, both for ST.

by Anonymousreply 497Yesterday at 4:26 PM

[quote] Doesn't she know that NO ONE knows who she is except Star Trek fans?

And fans of "Faye Dunaway with a whip" movies

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by Anonymousreply 498Yesterday at 5:27 PM

Marina Sirtis always seems just kind of off kilter. Maybe it's just her personality or maybe it's because she's on something, I don't know. But I remember her and Brent Spiner on some little talk show getting interviewed and during the interview she grabbed him and kissed him bang smash on the mouth. What the fuck was up with that? I guess she thought it was amusing but he looked like he wanted to drop through the floor. But then he always looks uncomfortable when being kissed by a woman. Anyway, it just seemed very strange.

by Anonymousreply 499Yesterday at 5:34 PM

R499 Aren't most actors a little off kilter? I think it's her personality. She has a huge personality, also seems to have a bit of a temper, and likes to be the center of attention. If you've ever seen her with the rest of the TNG cast (whether on YouTube or at conventions) she tends to dominate the conversation. She's admitted that the men on TNG rarely disagree with her anymore cause they don't want to deal with her temper, Gates apparently is the only one who challenges her on stuff and allegedly if Gates tell her "no" it's usually coming from the guys. You can tell Gates gets annoyed by Marina sometimes and I live for that, but they do get on well. As for Brent, as shocking as it is, I'm pretty sure he's straight. He's been married for years and has a son.

by Anonymousreply 50011 hours ago

Jeebus, Frakes was gorgeous in season 1. And the way that the ensign checks him out at the 30 second mark...I concur!!

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by Anonymousreply 50111 hours ago

Well, if there was any doubt, Robert Beltran just outed himself as a total MAGAT.

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