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What if Trump wins?

Will the country go crazy?

by Anonymousreply 13216 hours ago

Your question is driving Democrats to the polls.

(I voted last Monday)

by Anonymousreply 1Last Saturday at 12:04 PM

The country may not; I certainly will.

by Anonymousreply 2Last Saturday at 12:07 PM

I won’t believe the results. No way.

by Anonymousreply 3Last Saturday at 12:07 PM

If he does, democrats will do nothing. Pussies.

by Anonymousreply 4Last Saturday at 12:12 PM

Secession!

by Anonymousreply 5Last Saturday at 12:27 PM

I think there will be protests that lead to riots in major cities throughout the US. I read in the LA Times, that officers are not being granted vacation days or holiday leave from November 1st-9th in preparation. They are not expecting it, but they want to be prepared just in case.

by Anonymousreply 6Last Saturday at 12:29 PM

If he does, I plan to "check out" from news and current events as long as he remains in office (not much consolation, but I think he would die during his second term). I will live my life, pay my taxes (still), and pretend he's not in it.

by Anonymousreply 7Last Saturday at 12:37 PM

If we have another election where the "winner" gets 3 million less votes that the "loser", there will be rioting. By me, if nobody else.

by Anonymousreply 8Last Saturday at 12:40 PM

There will be rioting regardless of the outcome. I think our new class of professional rioters know Trump will win and are planning accordingly.

by Anonymousreply 9Last Saturday at 12:43 PM

[quote]Will the country go crazy?

I'm afraid that ship has sailed.

by Anonymousreply 10Last Saturday at 12:44 PM

Nothing will change, the world will keep spinning just like it has been the past 4 years *Yawn*. You are all MARYS!!!

by Anonymousreply 11Last Saturday at 12:47 PM

I've been preparing myself for his reelection for four years. I still dread the fucking thought.

by Anonymousreply 12Last Saturday at 12:49 PM

Either way it goes, it’s going to be a shit show

by Anonymousreply 13Last Saturday at 12:54 PM

[quote] I think our new class of professional rioters know Trump will win and are planning accordingly.

Correct.

by Anonymousreply 14Last Saturday at 1:05 PM

R10 and R13 are correct. But honestly I see the opposite scenario unfolding. A complete LANDSLIDE for Biden- at the beginning- as many, many polls, pundits, and even the Republicans and Trump himself are admitting. What happens next will be our- perhaps- our downfall. Should Trump NOT accept the results and try to challenge them- either by kicking it to the Supreme Court ( if his bid to appoint NEW SCOTUS justice is successful), or by outright bribing/ strong-arming the State electors- THEN you will indeed see the Country explode. And this is what I fear. It is of course the perfect storm. Millions, upon millions of Americans, rightfully outraged that their democratic right to a clean electoral process has been taken from them. The Right will not fail to rise to the challenge. Unlike the left, these crazy MF's actually WANT a Civil War, they WANT blood-shed. They are under the illusion that because they have been hoarding guns for years they will remain unscathed. They do not understand that in war no-one remains untouched- that accidents happens. That strangers mistake friends with guns as enemies. They've never experienced the loss of a close loved- one like a child or parent. The hubris. And of course, Trump will use all of this as a perfect excuse to engage any and all means of force with Barr his lap-dog to reinforce every command.

I know, it's bleak- but I honestly think, it's a very, very, very strong possibility.

by Anonymousreply 15Last Saturday at 1:23 PM

If he "wins" it will be a crooked election. This is not 2016; there is no way he can come back from being behind this much.

If he "wins", I am out in the street marching until the truth comes out. And I am fucking 69.

by Anonymousreply 16Last Saturday at 1:27 PM

[quote]A complete LANDSLIDE for Biden

Repeat after me: There will never, EVER be another electoral landslide like we saw in the '80s. NEVER. The country is too divided and segregated into solid red and solid blue.

by Anonymousreply 17Last Saturday at 1:29 PM

These Trump assholes have been collecting guns for years, without really having a clear use for them, because of their paranoia. They're aching for a reason to put them to use.

by Anonymousreply 18Last Saturday at 3:52 PM

Then Putin will have succeeded again.

by Anonymousreply 19Last Saturday at 5:54 PM

If Trump wins, you will get on with life, you will either continue to live the happy or sad existence you currently embody, and if it effects occupies more than 5% of your thoughts, seek help. My rabbi said that if politics consumes more than 5% of your life, you are not living and appreciating the life you live. Cheer Biden on, vote, hope for the best, but know it's going to be OK. We are Americans and we will get through it. Not politician is worth 4 years of your life.

by Anonymousreply 20Last Sunday at 1:35 AM

I'm slightly tipsy OR typing from a troll farm, so please forgive the typos. It is solid advice.

by Anonymousreply 21Last Sunday at 1:37 AM

[quote] and if it effects occupies more than 5% of your thoughts, seek help

Lol. A lot of Dataloungers obviously should seek help.

by Anonymousreply 22Last Sunday at 5:58 AM

your rabbi can bite me r20.

If Dump doesn't accept the results, and he will, because he's paranoid about looking bad in public, he'll step down and fart nonsense about rigged! Cheating! for the next five years. Biden has to IMMEDIATELY set up a commission to investigate all his crimes, and grab Rupert Murdoch by the throat and squeeze till that old asshole is dead.

by Anonymousreply 23Last Sunday at 8:13 AM

R20 I wonder if your rabbi would say don't spend more than 5% of your time worrying about "politics" had he lived in Germany in 1932. If he would have had that position then, he'd be wrong. He's wrong now.

by Anonymousreply 24Last Sunday at 8:15 AM

I think people who type "YAWN" in comments are the biggest assholes of all.

by Anonymousreply 25Last Sunday at 8:16 AM

I think if Trump loses he might try to leverage his threat of election challenge antics against a pardon from the new administration. He wants to avoid prison and wants to make money more than he wants to be President. He might think he could do both if he works a deal to stand down.

To that I say fuck off. If he loses, he dies in prison.

by Anonymousreply 26Last Sunday at 8:24 AM

Trump will get the gift of a tumbling economy, astronomical national debt, a torn apart country, a pandemic... He's enjoying the applause and cheers on his comedy tour, but when the winter winds start howling- will he (and his cult members) really have "won"? Dark days ahead.

The best thing that could happen to him is losing. He can go back to making (and losing) billions of dollars. He can get rid of his aging wife and replace her with someone half her age. Retire to his beloved Mar-a-Lago and imagine he was the greatest President ever...

But he's too dumb to realize it.

by Anonymousreply 27Last Sunday at 8:24 AM

If so, I predict the comeback of pitchforks and torches. (But this time, democrats in Banana Republic and Todds, not proud boys).

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by Anonymousreply 28Last Sunday at 8:29 AM

[R20] Uh oh. You’ve alerted the warden.

by Anonymousreply 29Last Sunday at 8:48 AM

Nah. People will still go shopping, eat out, obsess over the new iPhone, and go on vacations. They will happily give up democracy and freedom. Only the liberals will say how upset they are, and how stupid other people are - before they go back to trying buy their country home.

Trump IS America.

by Anonymousreply 30Last Sunday at 8:57 AM

R30 Which is why he's 12% behind. Which is why Republican Senators like Sasse and Romney are concerned he'll continue to damage our country, and military conservatives like John Kelly say he's the worst human he's ever worked with.

No, "America" will change the channel in November.

I'm sure there were restaurants in Berlin in the 30s that were doing just fine.

by Anonymousreply 31Last Sunday at 9:01 AM

Miss Ladybug's poosie will be yearning for input.

by Anonymousreply 32Last Sunday at 9:05 AM

[quote] My rabbi said that if politics consumes more than 5% of your life, you are not living and appreciating the life you live.

Perhaps your rabbi doesn't understand that it is only "politics" if you are wealthy, white and privileged. For the rest of us, our health, safety, livelihood and well-being are at risk. What is merely politics for some is a reality of oppression and disenfranchisement for others.

by Anonymousreply 33Last Sunday at 9:09 AM

[quote]My rabbi said that if politics consumes more than 5% of your life, you are not living and appreciating the life you live.

When white nationalists, emboldened by the racists currently occupying the government, shoot up your rabbi's synagogue, I'll remember to only care about 5%.

by Anonymousreply 34Last Sunday at 9:29 AM

The rise in hate crimes against Jews and Jewish businesses is on the rise across the board. There is a lot of anti-smitisim out there. During the Floyd protests, people spray painted kill the Jews on Beverly Hills landmarks, looted small Jewish pharmacies and painted swastikas on boutiques. Mariah Carey's ex husband as well as several other celebrities have made anti-semitic statements with no consequences. I think a lot of Jews I know feel nervous about both parties. Getting attacked is part of our reality, sadly. I am not even very religious. I find that rabbis often offer very logical advice. What can do but live your life regardless of who wins? Live in a fear everyday of what might happen? You can't just be angry and scared for 8 years straight.

by Anonymousreply 35Last Sunday at 10:03 AM

If Trump wins, given what polls have shown steadily since the beginning of the summer he'll get an even smaller minority of the popular vote than he did in 2016—probably down 5% or more. If he wins it'll be in the electoral college, having hung on by one or two states, probably PA. There will be even more frustration on the part of the majority than before, and if Republican policy continues to deny the problem of covid, tank the economy (as Republicans always do), and fuel rightwing violence, there will be an even bigger backlash in 2022 than in 2018.

We're living in a twisted electoral system where it's become expected for Republicans to win without a majority of the popular vote, the Senate is run by a minority party, and one or two states hold the key to everything. We don't really have representative government in the United States.

by Anonymousreply 36Last Sunday at 10:19 AM

Serious question - how can we work with the electoral college that reflects the diversity of a country that has changed so drastically from when the constitution was drafted. Is it a constitutional thing. Especially with popular votes exceeding the winner last time by millions which could be the case this time, it would see time to make voting more reflective of the American population as a whole. I think a lot of anger and frustration is a result of this chasm.

by Anonymousreply 37Last Sunday at 10:29 AM

Abolish the Electoral College and curtail the power of the Senate, which has way too much power for an only vaguely representative body (especially given the population differentials between states). But those are constitutional issues that would take a long time to implement. Short-term, stop gerrymandering.

by Anonymousreply 38Last Sunday at 10:42 AM

[quote]I think if Trump loses he might try to leverage his threat of election challenge antics against a pardon from the new administration.

Bingo. When Trump loses he's going to use the ability to create chaos, with the Moscow Mitch controlled senate backing him, until January 20th. He'll try and "make a deal." He'll squeal about "fraud," "cheating," "corruption," and try to rally the Proud Boys, Atomwaffen, 3 Percenters, and their ilk to generate chaos outside the government while he and Mitch generate it from within.

Getting Trump out of office on November 3rd is only the first step. We've got another three months until the inauguration and the fumigation of federal gov't can begin. An [italic]then[/italic] the real cleanup begins. Hopefully that will include a full investigation and prosecution of the crimes committed by the Trump family and their supporters.

We need a deck of playing cards with the faces of the criminals who aided Trump to help remember who these people are. We don't want them fading back into the woodwork somewhere.

by Anonymousreply 39Last Sunday at 10:44 AM

We need to impose term and age limits on senators, too. Too many old, rich, white people permanently parked in Congress.

by Anonymousreply 40Last Sunday at 10:48 AM

Will go crazy? Oh, honey....

by Anonymousreply 41Last Sunday at 10:51 AM

In my fantasy fiction version of how the US is run, I think we the people should be able to have a direct voice in SCOTUS nominations instead of it being part of the party package. I also think there should be term limits for SCOTUS judges so that we can also elect judges whose values and interpretations of law are also reflective of the times we live in. I'd really love if judges of all parties had no religious affiliations.

by Anonymousreply 42Last Sunday at 10:54 AM

R42 - “ I'd really love if judges of all parties had no religious affiliations.”

Bill Maher agrees. Here’s his position regarding the Amy Coney Barrett nomination. (Friday 10/16)

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by Anonymousreply 43Last Sunday at 11:03 AM

There'll be riots if he wins and riots if he loses. Prepare for troubled times .

by Anonymousreply 44Last Sunday at 1:35 PM

Hon it’s not IF he wins, it’s WHEN he wins.

by Anonymousreply 45Last Sunday at 2:37 PM

Yes, riots.

by Anonymousreply 46Last Sunday at 3:33 PM

The Trumpster Fire is definitely going to lose, so we don't have to worry.

by Anonymousreply 47Last Sunday at 3:34 PM

We need to abolish the electoral college, r37.

Direct, popular vote only. Make every vote equal.

by Anonymousreply 48Last Sunday at 3:37 PM

It's the Deplorables' turn to cry and quit the country for Russia.

by Anonymousreply 49Last Sunday at 3:38 PM

If he wins the only way I will not lose my mind is if the dems gain a super majority in both houses of Congress. Only then will I be confident they'll be able to get rid of him relatively fast.

by Anonymousreply 50Last Sunday at 3:40 PM

First impeachment attempt by the House: Trump sends Rudy to Ukraine to dig-up dirt on the Bidens, colluding with nefarious underworld nasties from Moscow to Minsk.

by Anonymousreply 52Last Sunday at 3:55 PM

There may not even BE a country.

by Anonymousreply 53Last Sunday at 3:55 PM

[quote]My rabbi said that if politics consumes more than 5% of your life, you are not living and appreciating the life you live.

R20, tell that rabbi that religion should consume no more that 0% of anyone's life, otherwise they are not living and appreciating the life they live.

by Anonymousreply 54Last Sunday at 4:15 PM

He's not going to win.

by Anonymousreply 55Last Sunday at 4:44 PM

I hope Biden is a clear winner, otherwise NYC will burn.

by Anonymousreply 56Last Sunday at 5:52 PM

Why would NYC burn, R56?

by Anonymousreply 57Last Monday at 4:40 AM

All this doom and gloom. You all give Trump more power than he deserves or haves. We have a balance of power. The fear porn here lately is absurd. I rather see a Timothy chamalet post and I don't even know who he is!

by Anonymousreply 58Last Monday at 4:43 AM

R57 Because of the fairly unique situation. There’s far less people due to lack of commuters and tourists, and that has led to empty stores/buildings. Sadly, opportunists have used this to commit crimes. Tourists in NY are a pain in the ass, God knows, but it’s much harder to riot when there’s throngs of tourists and commuters on the streets. Add to that the need for milennials and other younger people to be “part of something meaningful” and that something has been protests which have turned into destruction of property and looting. Add to this the growing unease regarding unemployment. I’m just worried it’s a very tenuous situation. I work with a young white woman (27 years old) who moved here from FL and has participated in protests and has no problem with the destruction of businesses or theft during the protests. I do not believe vandalism is a persuasive way to bring people onboard your cause, and the protestors know this. It’s more about an urge to let off steam after a frustrating and uncertain lockdown.

by Anonymousreply 59Last Monday at 6:33 AM

R58 It's not Trump. We'll learn this over time, I think. You look at him now, overweight grievance comedian in a baggy suit... he's jumped the shark as a performer. But he is the "representation" of large and growing American extremist movement. He's been gasoline to that fire that's burned for decades and decades... nativist, racist, fascist, irrational, armed, unhealthy, entitled, medicated, juiced up by paranoia.... there will be some violence by these extremists. Trump is the excuse, not the cause.

by Anonymousreply 60Last Monday at 7:08 AM

I really don't know what I will do if he does. I also really don't know what the Trumptards are going to do when he loses either. We are going to have a rough period of time either way.

by Anonymousreply 61Last Monday at 7:21 AM

Either way, COVID is going to be a huge fucking issue late fall and early winter, R61. A lot of Americans are going to die. No matter who wins, Americans are going to "lose" in the short term because of the absolute and utter failure of a response that the Trump administration has quarter-assed.

CORONAVIRUS is what is going to be what we're ALL going to be concerned with, either way.

by Anonymousreply 62Last Monday at 7:48 AM

R62 Unless there are more protests. When the protests were at their peak (was it May?) CNN dropped Covid and just focused on the protests. It was bizarre. I don’t recall the issue or large gatherings and/or lack of masks being mentioned. I’ve also never seen any reports of protestors hospitalized for contracting the virus, which is interesting.

by Anonymousreply 63Last Monday at 7:54 AM

There were reports after the George Floyd protests, R63, and it was generally agreed that because of the outdoor locations and the propensity of protesters to wear masks kept infections way down—there was no noticeable causation, unlike from Trump's rallies.

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by Anonymousreply 64Last Monday at 8:06 AM

Trump deserves to win. He worked hard and made no mistakes. He was very moderate. He could have shot looters. Nothing bad happened under his watch unless u want to blame him fir the Chinese flu.

by Anonymousreply 65Last Monday at 8:10 AM

You mean the “European Flu,” R65!

by Anonymousreply 66Last Monday at 8:26 AM

What if god was one of us?

by Anonymousreply 67Last Monday at 9:24 AM

[quote] Short-term, stop gerrymandering.

Over our dead bodies.

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by Anonymousreply 68Last Monday at 9:38 AM

What r20 said. You can't let who the president is determine how you feel about life and your sense of happiness. So many people have lost their minds over the last four years.

by Anonymousreply 69Last Monday at 9:54 AM

Eat your mom’s cunt, R69.

by Anonymousreply 70Last Monday at 11:58 AM

I prefer my Trump shit to be crunchy, not creamy.

by Anonymousreply 71Last Monday at 12:03 PM

Too many of you are so obsessed with who is president and let it dictate your lives. It's sad. Life is short, you need to enjoy it. The world will not end because we have an asshole for president.

by Anonymousreply 72Last Monday at 12:05 PM

I wish I could push this election down to 5% of my thinking. But the president has so much power over things that affect us it's foolish and offensive to demand that someone do that. Look at the way Trump has handled covid, for example: dissolving our pandemic response capabilities, letting his own interests determine distribution of resources (through his negligent and avaricious son-in-law), spreading misinformation that got people killed. Not to mention the policies that affect taxes (up for the 99%), workplace safety and clean air/water (not profitable for the 1%, so we can't have them), and even national security (screwing up with N. Korea and Saudi Arabia, yielding ground to Turkey and Russia, etc.—constricting our options on the world stage). Anyone who says tune out and stop worrying is either a brainless pollyanna or a slimeball.

by Anonymousreply 73Last Monday at 12:07 PM

There are trolls and trollinas on this thread trying to soften the public for a Trump re-election. As if everything will just be fine if he gets another four years. As if our democracy would even survive.

Block and F&F them. They are lying assholes who live in Russia.

by Anonymousreply 74Last Monday at 12:09 PM

r67, are you Mormon?

by Anonymousreply 75Last Monday at 12:16 PM

r75 Perhaps he's a Joan Osborne or "Joan of Arcadia" fan.

by Anonymousreply 76Last Monday at 12:26 PM

What if Trump was one of us?

by Anonymousreply 77Last Monday at 12:47 PM

Oh REALLY, Cunt R72? Were you passed out when the mother fucking WORLD went through this,knowing Anusmouth is a moron and his staff, mutant toady stooges?

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by Anonymousreply 78Last Monday at 12:49 PM

R72 eats Q-Anon Flakes for breakfast and washes it down with a Clorox Latte!

by Anonymousreply 79Last Monday at 12:55 PM

R59

Dumb bitches like you are why he will win again.

[quote]... participated in protests and has no problem with the destruction of businesses or theft during the protests.

by Anonymousreply 80Last Monday at 1:44 PM

R80 Please elaborate. It’s wrong to be appalled by destruction and vandalism?

I’m not voting for Trump. How will I help him get relected?

by Anonymousreply 81Last Monday at 2:03 PM

Some nuts on here.

by Anonymousreply 82Last Monday at 2:46 PM

r74 all people are saying is you still have to live life and enjoy life. No excuses for Trump, but Jesus Christ it's not the end of the world. I've been very active and happy the past four years, I refuse to let who is president take away what's left of my youth.

by Anonymousreply 83Last Monday at 3:00 PM

r78 The Middle East is, was and always will be an insane asylum.

by Anonymousreply 84Last Monday at 3:01 PM

My money is on Trump.

by Anonymousreply 85Last Monday at 3:14 PM

This individual's incompetence cost people too much money. I forgot Broadway had to refund money to ticket holders for all of the canceled shows, the hotels too. How many billions of dollars is that? Schools had to refund tuition, trillions? The infection is on the uptick and Dr. Fauci who has never enforced a candidate, is endorsing Biden.

by Anonymousreply 86Last Monday at 3:14 PM

[quote] Dr. Fauci who has never enforced a candidate, is endorsing Biden.

Where did you see that?

by Anonymousreply 87Last Monday at 3:16 PM

The problem with Biden is that there is no real passion behind his campaign. He's just a body, a place holder, a "anything is better than Trump". This blandness might be a huge asset in these uncertain times when people are so on edge. Trumps evokes a lot of passion, from both sides - you either love him or you absolutely loathe him. There is not much middle ground. If you love him you are talking about him and if you loathe him you talk about him nonstop, combined with the media's obsession on both sides, it really has been Trump 24/7 for the last 4 years, non stop.

by Anonymousreply 88Last Monday at 5:49 PM

Correct R88.

by Anonymousreply 89Last Monday at 6:05 PM

R88 Hitler evoked a lot passion from "both sides" (there are, of course, "good people" on both sides). What's your point?

by Anonymousreply 90Last Monday at 6:09 PM

The point is that you can't deny Trump evokes your passion. Hatred is as passionate as love.

by Anonymousreply 91Last Monday at 6:16 PM

Someone did a study that showed ability to win a Presidential election is INVERSELY related to media attention. This goes against everything we have be taught - the power of incumbency, the value of free media, etc.

Nope, most Americans prefer boring. I can sympathize. I want a President and government that I don't have to think about, who don't intrude in my consciousness everyday, who don't say outrageous things.

Yes, I want the govt on autopilot. Good autopilot.

by Anonymousreply 92Last Monday at 6:19 PM

R91 Hitting your finger with a hammer is more intense than kissing your husband good night.

Critical thinking is an art. Don't fingerpaint.

by Anonymousreply 93Last Monday at 7:02 PM

What's the difference between an artist who chooses to paint like a child and a child's painting?

by Anonymousreply 94Last Monday at 7:06 PM

15 days to go

by Anonymousreply 95Last Monday at 8:07 PM

[quote] If he "wins" it will be a crooked election. This is not 2016; there is no way he can come back from being behind this much.

He’s not that much behind though in key states. It’s the electoral college. He can still pull it off and not win the popular vote. Biden not winning the popular vote would be suspicious. Electorally speaking, Trump winning would not. They are neck in neck in key states. There are also going to be mail in ballot issues and people who just can’t be bothered to vote because they don’t understand how. Keep in mind that the population of this country is incredibly stupid and lazy.

by Anonymousreply 96Last Monday at 8:12 PM

[quote] Nope, most Americans prefer boring.

Actually they don’t. They love drama. The person who is boring never wins. There a tons of people who should have been president but they didn’t offer the show their opponent did.

by Anonymousreply 97Last Monday at 8:14 PM

[quote] He's just a body, a place holder, a "anything is better than Trump". This blandness might be a huge asset in these uncertain times when people are so on edge.

Vote for me, I’m not him didn’t work for Hillary. Will see if it’s enough. I still remember Americans re-electing Bush and handing the keys to Congress to their Tea Party after they had just shut it down.

At least Bernie won’t be running again so the far Left will have to sit down and shut up for awhile. Their not showing up to the polls to get him the nomination is what finally shut them up this time. They couldn’t find an excuse for it. He was tested and failed. They screamed for years that Bernie would have beaten Trump and the Dems stole the nomination from him. He had a clean slate this time and bombed.

by Anonymousreply 98Last Monday at 8:17 PM

When an ex CIA and 4 star general says he believes the US will not survive another 4 years of Trump, it's very serious, R58.

by Anonymousreply 99Last Tuesday at 3:39 AM

[quote]3 million less votes

r8, "Less" modifies singular nouns, only. "Few", "Fewer", "Fewest" modify plural nouns. "Votes" is a plural noun. What you meant to write was: 3 million FEWER votes.

by Anonymousreply 100Last Tuesday at 3:50 AM

I would qualify what R88 said. For a lot of voters Biden's calmness and ability to listen and explain does evoke passion—a strong emotional relief in a time of deep uncertainty that Trump only makes worse with his waffling and repetition. On the other side, a lot of Trump's appeal is not from passion, but from a calculated bet by people who generally dislike him that he'll fulfill their policy choices (on abortion, tax policy, or whatever).

by Anonymousreply 101Last Tuesday at 4:16 AM

The USA is a swirling the boob-tube due to republican’s corruption... Yet, some people don’t care because of money and imaginary babies who would actually be hated if they were real breathing humans..

by Anonymousreply 102Last Tuesday at 4:31 AM

[quote] The USA is a swirling the boob-tube

WTF?

by Anonymousreply 103Last Tuesday at 4:43 AM

R100 ... I've ground that axe for decades, but it is a losing battle. Now usage manuals allow exceptions (e.g. "25 words or less"). It's only a matter of time. One of the reasons that English is the world's lengua franca - science, commerce, travel - is its ability to change, with no central "academy" to determine what is and isn't correct. Irregardless is now in the dictionary.

And Trump will lose.... popular vote and battlegrounds. The question is the nature of the legal challenges... will they have the ability to overturn the election.

by Anonymousreply 104Last Tuesday at 7:05 AM

[quote] The question is the nature of the legal challenges... will they have the ability to overturn the election.

Based on what?

by Anonymousreply 105Last Tuesday at 8:11 AM

Four years ago, nearly everyone, including Donald Trump himself, was convinced Hillary Clinton was all but guaranteed a resounding victory. I remember articles predicting that Clinton would win the entire East Coast, including South Carolina. Later, following the third debate of that campaign season, I distinctly recall watching Steve Schmidt on MSNBC announcing in his dramatic monotone, "Hillary Clinton will be the 45th president of the United States." Election forecasters from Nate Silver to Sabato's Crystal Ball agreed.

So sue me for being Captain Scarypants again, but despite the polls showing Joe Biden with a seemingly formidable lead, I'm still greatly concerned that Trump will somehow scam and sue his way to a second term. If he does, what will that mean for the United States?

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by Anonymousreply 106Last Tuesday at 8:12 AM

R106, it's good to be skeptical.

by Anonymousreply 107Last Tuesday at 8:15 AM

r105 You're asking what the challenges will be based on?

Broken counting protocols, missed deadlines, ballots allowed that shouldn't have been, certain voters left off roles, undocumented voters. You can rest assured that for months the Trump Gang (Barr and the rest) have been building the cases.

by Anonymousreply 108Last Tuesday at 8:15 AM

[quote] If he "wins" it will be a crooked election. This is not 2016; there is no way he can come back from being behind this much.

Or then again, maybe he can.

Today's Trump vs. Biden poll finds that the race between President Donald Trump and former Vice President Joe Biden has suddenly gotten much tighter. IBD/TIPP's latest 2020 presidential poll update shows that Republicans are rallying around Trump, Biden is leaking Democratic support, and the gap among independents has narrowed.

The latest IBD/TIPP Trump vs. Biden poll update shows the Democratic challenger leading the Republican incumbent by 2.3 points, 48.1%-45.8%, in a four-way presidential poll of likely voters. Libertarian candidate Jo Jorgensen has the support of 3%, and Green Party candidate Howie Hawkins 0.9%.

Since the IBD/TIPP 2020 Presidential Election Tracking Poll launched on Monday, Oct. 12, Biden's support has slipped 3.8 points, from 51.9% to a new low-water mark of 48.1%. Trump poll numbers have gone the other way, rising 2.4 points to his new high-water mark of 45.8%. Biden's lead peaked at 8.6 points in the Oct. 13 presidential poll.

Biden's narrower support reflects Trump's gain, more third-party support and more voters who are undecided or decline to say whom they support.

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by Anonymousreply 109Last Tuesday at 9:10 AM

R109 Load of bullshit. Nate Silver today (statistically) explodes the wishful thinking myth that the race is rapidly narrowing. Biden ahead nationally by 9-11% and, more importantly, holding firm in all the critical battleground states. Assuming Thursday night is a "wash" and nothing else hugely disruptive happens, the race will slowly tighten, as every general election does... but Biden will win EC by well over 300 electors.

by Anonymousreply 110Last Tuesday at 9:15 AM

I'm in the National Guard and we preform training on a monthly basis. When we left our last drill, nobody was afraid or concerned. However, our next meet-up is scheduled after the election. Although there was a request for volunteers for civil disturbance missions, a lot of us believe the media is just hyping up the worst case scenario.

For everyone afraid Trump won't leave office if he loses: He can't just invalidate votes for president to stay in office. He would be preventing Republicans who get elected from assuming office as well, so they have every incentive to throw him under the bus.

by Anonymousreply 111Last Tuesday at 9:43 AM

R86 Ugh, hit the FF button by accident- here is a WW. 🙌🏻

by Anonymousreply 112Last Tuesday at 10:00 AM

Trump won the presidency in 2016 despite Clinton receiving almost 3m more votes, all because of the electoral college.

Biden could face the same hurdle in November, meaning he will need to focus his attention on a handful of battleground states to win the presidency.

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by Anonymousreply 113Last Tuesday at 11:40 AM

R113, there are only two weeks left and people have already voted.

by Anonymousreply 114Last Tuesday at 1:01 PM

[quote] The latest IBD/TIPP Trump vs. Biden poll update shows the Democratic challenger leading the Republican incumbent by 2.3 points, 48.1%-45.8%, in a four-way presidential poll of likely voters. Libertarian candidate Jo Jorgensen has the support of 3%, and Green Party candidate Howie Hawkins 0.9%.

Isn't Jorgensen a Libertarian, that is supposed to take away votes from Trump? Seems like he's hurting Biden here.

by Anonymousreply 115Last Tuesday at 1:15 PM

The reason Joe has been hiering hundreds of lawyers and Hillary saying Joe shouldn't concede, should show everybody how much meddling and fraud is going on.

Maybe, because Joe isn't hated as much by republicans and isn't the absolute enemy of the GOP, like Hillary was and maybe the GOP wants to disassociate itself from the crazy clown show of Dump, they will throw out less obstacles this time.

MoscowMitch wants to keep the senate, that's for sure though. Because without the senate backing Joe, he's going to be a lame duck president.

by Anonymousreply 116Last Tuesday at 1:17 PM

R116

Joe is more provably corrupt than HRC.

Child pron isn’t going to work for voters. Hunter’s laptop has sealed his fate.

by Anonymousreply 117Last Tuesday at 5:57 PM

Joe is old and he doesn't seem to have it in him to play dirty. I think Kamala for sure does, but again, I feel like Joe is doing this out of duty and not passion. I applaud his transparency, but I would not have unveiled his tax hike plan until after the election. The tax hikes are massive and if you don't think it will affect those of you make over 6 figures, low 100K, I would think again. 62% in CA for 400K and over. I would have kept all that close to the vest until right after the election.

If anything that R117 is saying is true, Biden will be toast in the swing states, many who will vote in person on election day.

by Anonymousreply 118Last Tuesday at 6:17 PM

R118

So, lie about his tax plans?

JFC can’t you see what is damaging to political TRUST in that line of thought?

Is lying to voters okay of it’s for the “Right Reasons”?

Maybe 4 more years will shock liberals into being liberal.

by Anonymousreply 119Last Tuesday at 6:40 PM

You are right, R119. I am all for transparency.

by Anonymousreply 120Last Tuesday at 6:43 PM

R120

Thanks, but it’s infuriating. Lying shouldn’t be part of the campaign.

The DNC vetting of Biden should have prevented him from running. Too many skeletons, now unleashed. His only surviving son needs to be on suicide watch.

It’s not like the WaPo wasn’t publishing stories about this in 2009.

by Anonymousreply 121Last Tuesday at 7:01 PM

Agree

by Anonymousreply 122Last Tuesday at 7:02 PM

They really did fucked with Hunter, who obviously has a lot of trauma. I can't believe that simply that is their endgame. There has to be a major bombshell to finish him off, otherwise this is major nothing burger as it relates to Joe Biden.

by Anonymousreply 123Last Tuesday at 8:59 PM

[quote] The reason Joe has been hiering hundreds of lawyers

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 124Last Tuesday at 9:20 PM

[quote] Child pron isn’t going to work for voters. Hunter’s laptop has sealed his fate.

What the fuck are you talking about?

by Anonymousreply 125Last Tuesday at 9:21 PM

CNBC:

Next week, the U.S. will get economic news like it has never seen before, reflecting growth that had seemed impossible, as it is likely that GDP will have risen by about 30% or more. In the middle of a pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 126Last Tuesday at 9:45 PM

If Trump wins, the Democrats will simply pull out their old play-book and spend the next 3.5 years disputing *this* election, just because they didn't get what they wanted. And they'll get the mindless sheep who form their opinions from What's Trending on social media all riled up and out storming the country while yelling slogans and platitudes that they saw on Facebook, and burning down any buildings in sight, just like they've been doing all year.

(I'm guessing all those buildings burned down this summer were all racist Republican buildings that deserved to be burned down.)

And just like the past 4+ years, every single piece of media, article, comments section, message board, etc., will be infested with Americans bitching and whining about their Presidency. Because if there's one thing every currently-living non-American *loves* more than anything else is hearing the minute details of American politics. For us non-Americans, it will be inescapable. Yay

by Anonymousreply 127Last Tuesday at 9:55 PM

That's going to be a big deal, R126.

by Anonymousreply 128Yesterday at 5:13 AM

Its Old English spelling, R124.

by Anonymousreply 129Yesterday at 5:24 AM

[quote]And just like the past 4+ years, every single piece of media, article, comments section, message board, etc., will be infested with Americans bitching and whining

You mean Fox News, right?

by Anonymousreply 130Yesterday at 7:24 AM

There’s some serious trolls around here.

by Anonymousreply 13121 hours ago

Boris thread.

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