5 Top Selling Female Albums of Each Year (1990-1999)

When people still had good, functional ears, until mobile phones destroyed them all.

Why did Enya used to sell so many albums?! 🙄

R2 What happened to Enya? She was so unique and different.

R3 she released an album in 2015, her last one. The one before that was in 2008.

She made her many millions, I’m sure she’s done. Plus I’m sure there is no market for her music in 2020.

I loved Enya

Britney owned the 90s only dominating one year? Oooookay

R6 how is she supposed to dominate the other years when she had no albums yet. She dominated 1999 AT 17 with her DEBUT ALBUM.

No, dear OP. The ‘90s belonged to Miss Jackson.

Highest selling album of 1990 in the US

Big sweep at the Billboard Awards in 1990

Multiple Grammy wins throughout the decade

Two consecutive # 1 albums and a successful greatest hits album

Academy Award nom

Three massive sellout world tours

Two #1 box office films

Multiple charting hits in the decade, including six Hot 100 #1s and a slew of Top 40 singles

Signed two of the biggest recording contracts in history at the time during the decade

First album by a female to debut at #1 during the SoundScan era

Continued her trend of putting out more iconic music videos

Achieved several Billboard chart feats, including being the first woman to debut a single in the Hot 100 top 10

Created arguably the most famous, copied photo of a female pop star ever for the cover of a 1993 issue of Rolling Stone

She’s Janet, Miss Jackson if you’re nasty.

R8 No one read any of that horseshit. Local star.

^Don’t hate, sweetie. Congratulate.

Put the freak at R9 on ignore and witness a bevy of anti-Janet threads. It’s people like her that make celebs hire security.

Enya got her coins and has no more fucks to give

R8 Teach the children, Janbot!

What’s interesting is how big someone like Janet was at that time, but how insignificant she has become retrospectively. Does anyone even listen to her today? Is there any interest what so ever from current stars about her music, style, concerts or other performative elements? People will say dance, but let’s face it, once they failed to keep Paula Abdul locked down and let her become a star why would anyone want to watch Janet’s dancing as a flawed copy of who taught her the choreography and can do it ten times better? Paula has maintained more cache that Janet with a greatly inferior vocal instrument.

Janet has tons of hits. How do you compare Janet to Paula? I mean, come on. That’s ridiculous

R14 is a troll. There is not a pop star alive today, male or female, who hasn’t given her props in some way or shown her influence in their own work. From Beyoncé to Britney (the white, lesser Janet), Rihanna to Ciara, Kelly Rowland to Aaliyah, Gaga to Xtina, they have ALL given Janet props and copied her artistry in one way or another. Hell, The Velvet Rope pretty much gave birth to Solange’s A Seat at the Table and influenced a bevy of artists from Sza to HER to FKA Twigs. Rhythm Nation 1814 was “woke” and in formation when Beyoncé’s Lemonade was just a few piddly lemons on a vine.

As for interest in her today, well, duh. When you are an icon of that stature, your influence is perennial. Every time Rihanna goes on tour, you see echoes of Janet’s live shows. Kelly Rowland puts out a sensual video, she’s channeling Janet. Beyoncé does the militant thing - Janet. Solange goes Afro-chic - Janet did it decades before.

Kelly Clarkson does a wicked cover of Janet’s “If.”

Paula Abdul has Janet to thank for her own career as a solo artist, and she pretty much has said so over the years. Janet’s CONTROL album was so iconic that, in its wake, a slew of dance divas of color were suddenly hitting the scene with various offerings of R&B-flavored dance music, from Vanessa Williams to Pebbles, Karyn White, Jody Watley and Peeples.

Here, Paula gives a lovely introduction before presenting Janet with an award. This was just after Janet had been named as one of the inductees in the 2019 class of the RNR Hall of Fame.

Here’s a 200 plus thread about Janet’s irrelevance from no less an authority than DL.

That should read *Nia* Peeples. Her “Trouble” video was basically a carbon copy of Janet’s “Pleasure Principle,” down to the Shep Pettibone mix of the song.

This makes me sad. Remember when you actually had to have talent (at more than self-promotion at least) to be successful?

It’s now all about Adele, bitches!

[quote]Here’s a 200 plus thread about Janet’s irrelevance from no less an authority than DL.

Sorry, hon, but a greyed-out thread that contains much proof to the contrary of the OP’s baseless claims will not suffice. You did all that work for nothing.

So much Celine Dion -- yuck.

Janbot lying about others starting anti-Janet threads. Janbot is pressed she isn’t much outside the USA 25 years ago.

^It’s no lie, darling. But you already knew this.

Fuck Janet and her Super Bowl nipple. I was ALWAYS the more beautiful, talented, and intelligent Jackson. I never got my chance to shine because Papa Joe told me my talent was on my knees, i mean behind the scenes.

Rebbie is 70.

In dog years ^^^

[quote] Paula Abdul has Janet to thank for her own career as a solo artist, and she pretty much has said so over the years.

Wrong. Janet was the one who told Paula she should get into music. I know you hate black women but cut the crap.

^Like I said, Paula has Janet to thank for her singing career. Control begat Forever Your Girl.

Janet had like a dozen hits.

In many ways it makes more sense to compare her Paula Abdul than Madonna.

Janet evolved into her sexuality as an artist and was always changing her concept and image from album to album. She also had, like, way more than a dozen hits. On the R&B chart alone, she has more #1s than any female save Aretha. She also had 10 Hot 100 # 1s and a slew of top 20 and top 40 hits. Her 1814 album is the only album in history to place seven singles in the top 5 of the Hot 100.

Listening to Celine's recordings now, she is not really a great singer. It's like a decent Barbra Streisand impersonation with 100 times the reverb.

Celine’s best album to me will always be her first English language album, Unison. Those songs take me back to a carefree time. Where Does My Heart Beat Now, If There Was Any Other Way, The Last to Know and If We Could Start Over are amazing.

Nothing Broken But My Heart From the second English album is also great...

Janet was huge all over the world in the late 80s and 90s. And early 00s. All For You was a huge hit worldwide. I’m Sick of the lies.

[quote] Janet was huge all over the world in the late 80s and 90s.

So did Paula and Belinda Carlisle.

Stop comparing Janet to them. They never had her amount of hit singles albums and tours

They basically did. Unless you want to go back to counting R&B charts.

Paula and Belinda do not have 10 solo Hot 100 hits, multiple successful world tours under their belts, a plethora of groundbreaking music videos that inspired a generation of pop stars who succeeded them (Paula has some, but not nearly as many as Janet), 7 # 1 albums - 5 of which were consecutive, several box office #1 films, an Academy Award nom, a RNR HOF induction, or pop culture status that has extended for decades.

*10 solo Hot 100 #1 hits

Janet only succeeded because Michael took 4 1/2 years to release his follow up to Thriller and they needed a more butch lookalike and soundalike to fill in the gap.

Janbot is back at R41!

R43, please sit down and shut up. Janet hit paydirt with Control because it was sassy, street and sounded unlike anything any of her siblings had released before. At that point, people were like, "Hold up, THIS is little Penny from Good Times?" She actually talked about what was going on in her life, which she would continue to do throughout her career. Michael had shit all to do with it. He even copied HER sound for a while there, hiring Teddy Riley to give him that New Jack Swing sound for Dangerous that Janet popularized with her RN 1814 album.

And yet Janet doesn’t hold up in the 21st century and become irrelevant, not to mention she can not completely escape being complicit on some level of what her brother did, she had to know.

[quote]And yet Janet doesn’t hold up in the 21st century and become irrelevant

Like, you REALLY should have taken the time to read this thread before posting such Trumpian levels of stupidity. Janet is an icon, darling. Relevancy is a non-factor when you’re an icon. Her influence is perennial.

Cathy Dennis wrote Toxic for Janet, but it ended up going to Britney. In fact, Britney typically got Janet cast-offs. Pharell Williams and Chad Hugo wrote I’m a Slave For U and Boys for Janet as well, but they, too, were passed on and went to Britney.

Janet was mostly a black thing.

^Really? You must be thinking of Mary J. Blogs. Ever see Janet’s Black Cat video, or attended one of her shows? White people abound in her audiences. And then there’s this guy...

*Mary J. Blige. Autocorrect sux.

Mary J should jump on that autocorrect thing and start her own website, that there is a million dollar idea! Mary J Blogs, news at eleven!

^LOL!

who cares? i only listen to music made after 2006. i'm young and sexy

I’m surprised to not have seen more of Janet. Is this chart skewed in the sense that an album could have sales split over 2 years. Like Whitney’s album in 98 “my love is your love” was critically acclaimed and sold over 10m worldwide. It would be interesting for them to do a wrap up of best selling albums throughout the decade as well as opposed to yoy.

I have way more respect for Shania now and feel very sorry for Toni Braxton who’s career was mismanaged by her label!

Janet was a black thing? That has to be a joke

Janet was nowhere near as popular with whites as Whitney, Tina Turner or Donna Summer were.

R57 she was EXTREMELY popular with white teens. Please stop.

Not in my neck of the woods. It was all about Madonna back then.

Was she? Maybe gay white teens.

No one cares about your backwater ass.

LOL it was the NYC Metro area r61.

Janet Jackson was popular for a time, but I don't remember people being fucking nuts about her like they were with Madonna and Whitney. When those two released a new album or a video it was an EVENT.

I am not necessarily a Janet fan, but she was huge back in the late 80s into the early 00s. I do not know how anyone can claim otherwise.

r62 if you were in the NYC Metro like you claim, then you know Janet was huge. She had many sold out shows here and her songs and videos were always on constant play on the radio and MTV

We come to bury Janet, not to praise her.

Janet's first two albums flopped, but with Control, in 1986, she took the world by storm.

Control #1

Rhythm Nation #1

janet. #1

The Velvet Rope #1

All For You #1

Damita Jo #2

20 YO #2

Discipline #1

Unbreakable #1

As far as singles, she's had many in the Top 40 Mainstream Charts after Control came out.

What Have You Done For Me Lately? - #4

Nasty #3

When I Think of You - #1

Control - #5

Lets Wait Awhile - #2

The Pleasure Principle - #14

Miss You Much - #1

Rhythm Nation - #2

Escapade - #1

Alright - #4

Come Back To Me - #2

Black Cat - #1

Love Will Never Do - #1

Thats The Way Love Goes - #1

If - #4

Again - #1

Because of Love - #10

Any Time, Any Place - #2

You Want This - #8

Runaway - #3

Together Again - #1

I Get Lonely - #3

Doesn't Really Matter - #1

All For You - #1

Someone To Call My Lover - #3

And that is not all of them. But keep on pretending she is like Paula, who had one big album then that's it....

And then everyone started stealing music (al least the white youth with access to computers), so the only music that sold well was hip hop and old fart music.

[quote]Not in my neck of the woods. It was all about Madonna back then.

You and your racist backwater podunk neighbors don’t matter. Anyone with a TV or a radio knows that Janet was huge in her heyday. She caused pandemonium at TRL several times an was an MTV mainstay, sold out concerts all over the globe, had hit after hit and sold millions of albums whose releases were events.

Yass R66/R67!

R69 what’s funny is he claims he was in NYC at the time lmao. She was HUGE in NYC

The fact that Runaway, the first single from her greatest hits collection, is the first song by a female artist to debut in the top ten of the Hot 100 is an amazing stat.

Belinda Carlisle was bigger than Janet outside the US.

R72 and her brother is the first person to ever have a single debut at number 1 on the Hot 100

Janet had 17 Top 10 hits in the UK

[quote][R69] what’s funny is he claims he was in NYC at the time lmao. She was HUGE in NYC

Right! Bitter lies detected 😂

Janet had 25 Top 10 in Canada

In the world of pop icons, Belinda Carlisle, while great in her own right, is small potatoes next to Janet Jackson.

Janet was never that big outside the US. Kylie Minogue was bigger.

R79 lies

Is the janbot pro Janet or anti Janet?

Janet is not even in the Top 10 of all-time best-selling female artists.

Best-selling female artists in Equivalent Track Sales*:

#1(=) Rihanna – 628M

#2(=) Beyoncé – 427M

#3(=) Taylor Swift – 413M

#4(+3) Ariana Grande – 331M

#5(=) Katy Perry – 327M

#6(-2) Madonna – 322M

#7(-1) Lady Gaga – 307M

#8(=) Adele – 256M

Janet isn't on ANY list of achievements anywhere.

Unless you count biggest state fair flops. She's #1 on that list. She actually bankrupted the entire state fair.

True story!

R82 That list is not what you say it is and you know it. It fools nobody.

That said, janbot is nuts and tiresome. Nobody cares about Janet. She was huge meant times. Ask her tailor.

R82 Yes link ??????

[quote]Janet was never that big outside the US. Kylie Minogue was bigger.

Janet Jackson has sold out concerts all over the globe since 1990 and has a fan base from North America to Africa to Asia to Europe to South America to Australia, and you will deal.

1995? You mean 25 years ago?

Speaking of Kylie...

[italic]“I wonder why Janet Jackson isn’t brought into the comparison (of Madonna and me). I probably have more in common with her (Janet).”[/italic]

You know who else sold out their tours? The Kids from American Idol.

Most of them can be found selling shoes or delivering take out now.

Kylie and Janet

Kylie sampled Janet’s Control in this track...

R88 Janet didn’t have a book of provocative photos because who would have bought it?

[quote]Most of them can be found selling shoes or delivering take out now.

It’s not good to lambast your lot in life.

[quote]1995? You mean 25 years ago?

Yeah, the last time Madonna had a Hot 100 #1.

Jabba, are the libraries re-opened in your area? How are you able to post?

^Janbot says jump, pressed troll asks “How high?”

Why y’all bother defending Janet is beyond me! She’s a global icon, legend, megastar who’s sold over 100m records. Undeniable fact! Undeniable fact.

^U are correct

[quote] Janet was huge all over the world in the late 80s and 90s.

Janet was never that big outside of North America.

Are you daft? Janet Jackson sold out concert venues all over the world, Asia, Europe and Africa included. She long held the record for the fastest sellout of the Tokyo Dome. Stop being willfully stupid.

“Stop be willfully stupid” sounds like something my patrician grandmother would say, hehehe.

Mariah, Celine and Whitney had the voices and the glamour.

Madonna, Janet and Britney had the showmanship and excellent pop producers.

Pop songwriters (Diane Warren, Max Martin, Quincy Jones, Nile Rodgers, Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis,, Babyface, etc) mastered an art form then that isn't matched because the pop of today is very forgettable.

Britney exploded in popularity in the year 1999/2000 but up until about 2009 she was big. I feel she should be associated more with the 2000s. Similar to how Michael Bolton had his breakthrough album in 1989 (yes I know he made music since the 70s but he had a career makeover in 1989) but was a big in the 90s.

But whats interesting is not many pop divas today could have that long lasting level of fame that Madonna, Cher, Barbra, Whitney, Diana, Mariah, Celine and Janet had that spanned over a decade or more. I think ageism wasn't as big back then and female artists could still be popular into late middle age. Cher had a hit in her 50s with Believe and Madonna was in her 40s with Music.

Britney's popularity was not that long in comparison to these women. The same could be said about the others like Kelly Clarkson, Beyonce, Gaga, Pink and Xtina who didn't even last as long as Britney in the charts. They are still very famous and tour but they aren't as iconic nor maintained a long period of relevancy to pop culture either. Katy Perry is comparable to Britney her career lasted almost a decade.

I can only see Taylor Swift and Rihanna who are incredibly smart business ladies lasting as long as perhaps Madonna or Cher with two/three decades of relevancy. They both managed to score hits worldwide and I definitely feel Rihanna's next album will be a high seller due to the anticipation.

Jabba is talking to itself again.

Janet was obviously big in her prime. Madonna and Whitney were bigger though. Janet did influence the manufactured pop princess types who were stylish, could do hip hop dance routines and sung pop/R&B tunes and light slow ballads like Pebbles, Karyn, Jody, Vanessa, Paula (yes she copied Janet's style and swag even though she choreographed her), Alanis (her early 90s stuff), Taylor Dayne, Kylie Minogue (her 2000s stuff is more reminiscent of Madonna), Aaliyah, Jennifer Lopez, Mya, Ashanti, Britney Spears, Ciara and finally Tinashe and Normani.

Madonna's influence is stronger on Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Ke$ha, 2000s Kylie Minogue, Gwen Stefani, Darren Hayes, Pink, Dua Lipa and Carlie Rae Jepson who do pure pop and dance music and that made more of a comeback in the later 2000s though it still remained big in Europe, Asia and Australia

[quote]what’s funny is he claims he was in NYC at the time lmao. She was HUGE in NYC

Janet was popular, but Madonna was HUGE in NYC back then.

Yes, Jaba, Kylie definitely had more in common with Kylie. I can’t believe you think it’s a good thing. Meanwhile, Whitney mocked Janet badly in her documentary even while pretending to be friendly.

Janet was a no talent hack given a career by her brother. Paula was more talented.

Cissy Houston called Janet Jackson a bitch in that documentary. Whitney mocked Paula.

Whitney laughed. EOD

R82 Those “best selling of all time“ lists are disingenuous and misleading. First of all, the population was less, and therefore, smaller numbers of purchases. Second, the top consumers of music are usually 13-40 years old. Back in my day (I’m an 80s-90s child), you physically had to go to a store to purchase music. It was harder to do back then. No Ubers to take you, might have to go to multiple stores until you said fuck it, and recorded a few songs off the radio, with the DJ and radio call sign wrecking the opening of the song. Now all anyone does is push a few buttons on their phone, and poof, album bought. So of course, most of the artists that are best selling are from the digital streaming era. It does not, by any means, suggest they’re more popular or more talented. Katy Perry is on that list. That tells me all I need to know.

Janet Jackson was really just a placeholder to curb the public's insatiable appetite for her brother. If Michael Jackson had been more prolific, told his deadbeat leeching brothers to fuck off instead of doing that bullshit Victory tour and released an album at the end of 1985 or beginning of 1986, Janet probably wouldn't have had much of a career.

R110 And that list is wrong. Period. That person is lying.

I was a teen in the 90s. I have to say I do NOT remember Madonna being that ubiquitous nearly every year of the 90s. To me she was so 80s. And while I very much remember Ray of Light, I seem to recall it was a comeback record. Not according to this list! mean wasn't into pop at all, but I thought I remembered better.

That said, I do remember Mariah and Whitney. They were everywhere.

Janbot, I don't remember Janet at all, except the album that had Again.

Madonna was everywhere in the 90s. She was hated for awhile but she was everywhere. Her comeback was coming back from selling like a mere superstar to a mega star. Erotica and Bedtime Stories we’re top 5 WW sellers for a female and this was when she was hated.

90-92-all Madonna With some Mariah 93-96- All Mariah and Whitney 96-97- all even, Celine dominates 98-99- Madonna ahead again

I agree, R113.

I was a teen in the 90s as well, and I remember Madonna suffering a colossal backlash due to the Sex book. That backlash was so severe it affected her sales throughout the decade. She did have a comeback with Ray of Light. However, the 90s was the decade of big ballad Pop divas, R&B girl groups, grunge, and Hip Hop.

If this was the 80s, then I agree: Madonna owned that decade.

I only remember Whitney from the late 80s.

Madonna had a huge hit with Take A Bow in the mid-90s, I believe it's her biggest single or second biggest after Vogue.

95 on Madonna was huge again.

World wide, Madonna never slumped. 90s were huge for her. She and Celine dominated the 90s WW.

R82 list is correct. Everybody streams today, whether you like it or not. That's how you judge success in 2020.

US music industry mid-year 2020 revenue breakdown(via RIAA):

85% streaming

7% physical

6% digital downloads

2% synch

R111 is a pathetically hilarious mishmash of wishful thinking.

R121 Link, then, bitch?

R120 LINK??????

Janet still plays and sells out arenas though....Madonna can’t even sell out small auditoriums and is forced to cancel multiple dates to save face. So while Madonna may have more number 1 songs over here career, absolutely no one cares about her anymore.

No talent Jan has never been popular. Most people were shocked years later thinking they were supporting Nia Peeples. It took that dirty titty to shock them into realizing it was MJ’s chubby, smelly sister.

Yeah, poor Madonna and her botched hatchet face can not only sell out shows, but she can’t even fucking sell albums anymore. I mean, what was the name of her last album? What was the theme?

I’m talking Jan’s hatchet face. The one above her horrifying titties that sent America running to the toilets to her. Remember her sniveling and groveling afterwards? Begging America to forgive her then lied to them? JT threw her stupid ass under the bus the continued on to a great career.

Madonna looks terrible these days. What is she, 70 now? I bet she queefs dust. And even that is more substantial than her current career.

Nobody's thought about Janet Jackson in nearly 20 years.

Don’t you dare talk bout my Janet you crazy gay honkies! I’ll beat yo azz down. Don’t talk bout no hoes and skanks like Mariah, Madonna, Whitney. Janet was blackmailed by Les Moonves!!!!!! Why won’t you listen. Whyyyyyyyyy?? He ruined her I tell you RUINED HER! AAAAAAAAAAAAA. LISTEN

Justin Faggylake isn’t worth the 50 cents it costs to create a CD these days.

I dont get how people can bash Janet and Britney for lacking talent yet will praise Madonna. They are all on the same level vocalwise. All were manufactured with catchy but overproduced songs. All relied on dancing, gimmicks, cool factor and sex appeal. They all have distinctive voices too. They are all iconic. Marilyn Monroe wasn't the best actress but is iconic. Elvis didn't write any songs or play an instrument but is ironic.

Newsflash music is more than being a good singer. Lyrics, production and marketing play a big. Physical beauty, fashion sense and choreography too in the music video era.

R132 They aren’t on the same level vocal wise. That cunt Madonna can sing circles around Janet and Britney though Britney > Janet vocally.

People bash Janet because of racism (if they’re white). They bash Brit because she’s Janet 2.0, the white version.

[quote]That cunt Madonna can sing circles around Janet

Bitch...

You tried it..:

Yikes

Eeks

Janet’s background harmonies are beyond compare, and make Madonna sound like the caterwauling harpy that she is.

R133 Madonna is a mediocre singer. You know that. Stop lying. Janet is a mediocre singer too. Britney in her youth was a better natural singer before her label made her sing out of her range. They all have good distinctive voices that are good for pop music. Janet's voice is much easier on the ears as she is a whispery crooner type. She sounded way better on Unbreakable so she improved. Madonna did improve her voice too in her 90s output. Britney sounds like a chipmunk nowadays.

But if you want real voices then you got Ariana Grande, Mariah, Beyoncé, Kelly Clarkson, Christina Aguilera and Pink who are trained singers. And you got Jennifer Hudson, Fantasia, Brandy, Ledisi, Heather Headley and Toni Braxton who are natural singers

Janet could never sing as good as Madonna. Ever.

R140 Bitch please to that list of screeching over singers.

The bitches today have the best technology ever to manipulating their caterwauling into a polished sound, Madonna may not be a great singer, but she was working with analog and vinyl and did a pretty fantastic fucking job.

Madonna will conquer the world again once she releases her biopic that she's set to direct! It will sweep the Oscars -- Best Picture, Best Director, Best Original Screenplay, Best Original Song -- and the soundtrack will be bigger than The Bodyguard, Saturday Night Fever and Grease combined!

She's worshiped like a goddess WW!!!!!! Just look at her Billboard stats in Yugoslavia!!!!!

Madonna could never sing as good as Whitney Houston, Annie Lennox, Michael Jackson, Prince, Boy George, Anita Baker, Cyndi Lauper, Karyn White and George Michael. Madonna did sound good on Live To Tell and Like A Prayer. Janet is a mediocre singer I admit but Madonna is only marginally better. Janet sounded good on I Get Lonely, Black Cat and All For You. If it's any consolation though Paula Abdul and Kylie Minogue though manages to make both of them sound better.

It makes more sense to compare Madonna with Tiffany or Debbie Gibson, they are more on her level.

[quote]Janet could never sing as good as Madonna. Ever.

Sit the fuck down somewhere. Madonna sounded like a chipmunk in the early days and later gained a vocal huskiness that did her no favors. That affected trained “singer” thing that she has done since Evita is guffaw-enduring.

Guffaw-enducing.

r146, and Shitney Spears.

R146 Only in Your Dreams

r132, Elvis played the guitar you idiot.

R151 With those hips that’s all he needed to play.

DEBORAH, I just can’t shake your love

Madonna, Paula, Kylie, Janet, Pebbles, Debbie and Tiffany were all products of the music video era. 80s music was notoriously overproduced. They didn't need big powerful voices or meaningful song lyrics. If the song was catchy and beat was hot all they just had to look good, dance, be pretty and fashionable or in Madonna's case shocking and sexual.

Madonna, Janet and Kylie were smart and adapted to the times. Madonna championed sexual freedom and gay rights and Janet racial equality and feminism. Janet featured Willie Ninja from the House of Ninja in one of her videos "Alright". Maddona also had vogue dancers and in her music video "Open Your Heart" had a short scene of two gay sailors. So both became gay icons early. Kylie Minogue shifted her sound to a more R&B, trance and disco and became a club fixture.

R151 Elvis was a manufactured image. He had a very limited elementary knowledge of guitars. He was mainly a frontman who just sang. Look up Scotty Moore, he was the guitatist in his band who created Elvis' signature sound by mixing rhythm and blues and country music.

OK, I’ll bite, how was Janet a feminist?

[quote]OK, I’ll bite, how was Janet a feminist?

You poor, misguided dear. A lot of her work from Control on is steeped in female empowerment. Whether singing about breaking away from her family to stand on her own, or leaving an abusive relationship, or exploring self worth, Janet has covered the gamut on feminism.

R157 I don’t see no daughter of Joe being allowed to be a feminist.

R156 She had songs like "Nasty" and "What Have You Done For Me Lately?" about treating women with respect, "Control" about a young woman's desire for independence from her parents, "Anytime, Anyplace" about female sexual pleasure, songs like "Let's Wait A While" about waiting to have sex rather than pressuring your young partner into things, "Rhythm Nation", "New Agenda" and "State of the World" were all about social issues and "Together Again" and "Free Xone" were dedicated to gay and lesbian representation.

Madonna had a lot of songs on social issues too.

Both women used their platforms for social progress which I give them props.

R158 Joe had his children sing Christmas albums despite being Jehovah's Witnesses. La Toya was doing Prince cover songs on her first album. I dont think he cared much about "family values" just making money.

Was being a feminist Janet’s excuse for not having to look pretty?

R161 Most straight men wanted to fuck Janet in her prime. Not only the brothers in the hood loved her. I know many white guys who thought she was hot. Justin Timberlake even talked all the time about her being "fine". Janet hooked up with Matthew McConaughey. Madonna was never even cute or beautiful.

Ahahahaha I forgot about her attempted comeback with her grotesque nipple gate. What a joke she was. Nepotism at its ugliest. If ivanka was Michael’s sister she’d have done better. Way more beautiful than that thing Janet.

Ahahahaha she tried with that grotesque titty.

Emphasis on "Wanted to fuck". Nobody wants to fuck Janet's dried up pussy, which, like the rest of her body has went up and down in size. That pussy has been stretched to the max. One moment it's fat because of Taco Bell, then slimmer because of Baja Fresh.

Ain't nobody want that pussy.

And her music hasn't been good since The Velvet Rope. Once Rene left, her music went to shit. She regressed and did more of that whisper coo and interludes dedicated to her pussy. Pass.

R164 All For You and Damita Jo were good imo albeit bit too much fillers.

I guess you think Madonna is a great beauty. Janet had a big rack, big ass, cute face and nice smile. For straight guys thats all you need.

R145 Way more than marginally better. I hate the cunt but Madonna can sing. Janet can’t. Popular music isn’t about who has the best voice. Most singer-songwriters have only adequate voices. It’s about having your voice connect, be distinctive. Whitney can out sing Joni Mitchell by miles but Joni was vastly more talented.

Cher did confirm that Madonna is not beautiful or talented

R165 Straight black guys. They like em huge. No white guy wanted Janet. She had a moment with the titty grabbing cover but most saw MJ’s face.

Bob Dylan, Lou Reed and Mick Jagger are the most famous examples are men who couldn't sing. But they were talented artists.

R167 Oh, she CONFIRMED? well, then.

Bwhahahaha you’re pressed beyond hope.

R168 White men love curvy girls and many love black women. They may just not marry or date them due to social stigmas.

Janet was not fat in her prime. She was dancer and had a muscular physique. Dancers are athletes so they are ripped. Do you consider J Lo or Beyonce to be fat?

I guess Justin Timberlake and Matthew McConaughey aren't white then. Southern white guys love curvy girls

I don’t give a shit that Janet is not talented you gay racists honkies. She gave black peoples more hope since Ruby Bridges tapped her way into that all white school in a place I didn’t know existed until I just googled it. MLK JR referenced Janet’s impact on BLACK culture many times. She’s the Ruby Bridges of pop. And you all KNOW IT!

R171 Curves? 200 lbs isn’t curves. You’re trying too hard. No white guy wanted to fuck MJ with fake tits.

You all are so obtuse- Janet cannot sing because she lost her nose you jackasses.

I’m sure many people spit on Janet just like they did Ruby.

R172 ummm you have Lena Horne, Nina Simone, Odetta, Billie Holliday, Erykah Badu and Lauryn Hill?

Janet however was pretty proud of being black and funded Spike Lee's films, wanted to play Dorothy Dandridge in a film and actually attended the Soul Train Awards and even did Tyler Perry movies. Out of all the Jacksons she seemed the least influenced by Joe's lessons in self-hating

God, does every single thread about female singers, actresses, etc., descend into stan battles? Why can't we appreciate them all?

During the '90s, I avoided Celine Dion because my mother, older sister, and all the older office ladies absolutely loved her music, which was so wretchedly MOR. Watching OP's video all these years later hasn't changed my opinion.

R174 Was it the coke or from the beating by Daddy Joe for not performing up to the bar Michael set?

Celine Dion is talented but her music is so overdramatic to me. My Heart Will Go On is so emotionally manipulative.

But you gotta give CD props, English is not her first language.

Shania Twain had that one big album era and fell off after her peak. Her then-husband was the mastermind behind her success. Her Svengali of sorts.

MHWGO is her best vocal because she was nervous and restrained. Most of the time I loathe Celine’s singing.

Shania was the one I was most shocked by-she couldn’t really sing but had 3 huge albums. Her husband definitely was behind her fun hits. Most male and female pop stars aren’t the best singers and that’s ok. Most big voiced singers are huge turn offs.

It's a beautiful song and she sounded great but it's so overplayed to death and it feels like it was created in a lab purposely to just make you cry.

R184 Yes, her only vocal I could stomach. Over singing has become a huge issue. It doesn’t impress me.

I noticed male pop stars don't get the same flack for not being good at singing either. In rock music and folk music it's a given.

Sinatra's voice always sounded so flat to me.

We all know Milli Vanilli, New Kids on the Block and Bobby Brown struggled vocally.

Timberlake, Bieber, Chris Brown and Shawn Mendes all need help in the studio to sound decent.

[quote] Are you daft? Janet Jackson sold out concert venues all over the world, Asia, Europe and Africa included

Are you daft? Her concert tickets didn't translate into records sales--few people in those countries were buying her stuff. Compare her sales to Whitney, Mariah, Celine and Madonna. Those women all had global popularity. Janet did not.

[quote] Shania Twain had that one big album era and fell off after her peak.

No, she had three huge albums. The first two were especially huge. Shania has the two biggest selling albums by a female country star.

[quote] Cher did confirm that Madonna is not beautiful or talented

That's half of what she said--she said she isn't beautiful or talented but she is very creative. And in another interview, she compared what Madonna did to turning straw into gold. So it was more of a backhanded compliment. Which I mostly agree with.

R189 Omg. You’re so pressed you’re taking smack talk from Cher as gospel. I’m hysterically laughing.

Janbot/ a, you use the same three or four words in every post. You should be laughing at yourself.

Omg tittygate! She’s been hated ever since. America hates that bitch. You tried, cunt.

Janet's music like Beyonce is too American-centric. Their style is heavily R&B and their lyrics reflect their lives as black women with the slang and cultural terminology included. They aren't musically talented enough like Toni Braxton, Sade, Tracey Chapman or Lauryn Hill to build a strong following about European R&B or neo-soul fans.

Whitney and Mariah had more typical love ballads or upbeat dance songs that translated worldwide. It's similar to as to why Michael Jackson was more successful than Prince who had more socially conscious and political music with complex lyrics.

Rihanna outsells Beyonce because her music is less culturally specific. It's pure dance music and that translates better just like with Katy Perry. Taylor Swift makes typical love and breakup songs which also helped her.

Simplicity and universality sells better worldwide

I think the Whitneys, Mariahs, Celines, and Christinas have falsely made us believe that having a five octave range that swoops and soars and belts and whistles and does all those runs and key changes makes one a great singer, but it is meaningless when it's all showboating and lacking in substance. The Peggy Lees and Sarah Vaughns and Julie Londons didn't have soaring voices but they knew how to interpret a song and hit you in the gut.

Janet-- I like her dance songs, but her voice is barely above a whisper and seems incidental to the music. It's fine for dance music because the dance beat is what really matters, but in her ballads and slow tempo songs, I can barely hear what she's saying.

Oversinging is annoying. Christina Aguilera and Jessica Simpson were the worst and sometimes made my ears bleed. Patti, Celine, Mariah and Whitney went overboard at times too. I love soothing voices like Sade, Diana Ross, Aaliyah, Vanessa Williams and Dionne Warwick. Janet's voice is barely legible but I find it pleasant unlike Britney Spears who's chipmunk voice gets grating at times especially in her newer stuff

I feel bad, no one is arguing the failures or achievements of Enya.

Mariah's voice was much more pleasant in her early years by the time of Emancipation of Mimi I feel her voice got so nasally and the whistling annoying. Trying way too hard to sound sexy and seductive too and failing.

Whitney's voice was beautiful. Her 80s pop music didn't really fit her voice though. She had to oversing because the loud bells and whistles production was overpowering her voice. Her live vocals were much better.

[quote] Oversinging is annoying. Christina Aguilera

Say no more. One of my best friends referred to Christina as "the voice of our generation". We are still friends, but still...

[quote] Celine

Celine has possibly the worst phrasing of all the big divas from the 90s onwards. When she sang Natural Woman with Aretha onstage, it just exposed her Canadianess.

I love how there are those who think they’re changing any minds here. Doesn’t matter if you think someone’s talented or not no one’s changing anyone’s mind here. It’s really pointless to lie about things as well because we all know the truth.

I don’t care what some anonymous poster says.

R197, Whitney's '80s music, all I hear is LOUD. And kind of mechanical IMO. But her later stuff was good and showed she could sing and interpret a song.

R198 Christina was the most talented of that late 90s teen pop boom. She oversings but she actually is smart and has a lot of creative control over her music. She even fought for her first album to be R&B rather than dance-pop to compete with Britney. She certainly isn't the voice of any generation though.

The so-called power divas are overrated. I know their antics get some wet, it’s extremely annoying. I tune out. It doesn’t impress me.

R200 I love 90s Whitney. She really shined in that decade. My Love is Your Love is an excellent album.

R201. Talented just due to her voice? No. Those idiots don’t know how to use it which makes them uniquely untalented. Overwrought, over singing is not talent- it’s assault.

R203,, I agree, Whitney really matured as an artist in the 90s.

[quote] Christina was the most talented of that late 90s teen pop boom

True, but her choice in material is often terrible. Her producers had to keep telling her to tone down her singing on her debut, she kept wanting to hit those damn high notes. She got her wish on her second album and her popularity declined steeply since then.

Enya is an amazing live performer. I wish she would grace the stage again giving us another powerful performance like this.

Janet and Madonna could never.

R205 Whitney was overrated but the better than most. She was just ehhh.

R204 A lot of American artists don't go to a proper music school like in The UK before they are signed. I think that makes a load of difference. Technically Britney Spears had a decent singing voice but never learned to control it or sing in a proper tone. Same with Christina having no control and choosing songs not suited to her. Jessica Simpson is just a gospel church singer who screams. Justin Timberlake's vocals are weak and thin and he doesn't do ballads anymore for a good reason. They needed better guidance as kids and as they aged into adulthood got arrogant and never seemed proper training. Beyonce actually improved her voice from what I hear

Male singers aren’t nearly as scrutinized. Most of them are vocally middling, at best. I agree with others who said I don’t give a fuck about how technically good your voice is or how many octaves you have. If I like your voice best, you’re my favorite voice. Stephen Jenkins can’t sing for shit but I like his voice a lot.

R210, agreed, I've heard people refer to Justin Timberlake as very good singer. I don't know wtf they are talking about.

R209. Britney does not in any way have a decent singing voice.

R212 Not anymore but she had a much deeper tone in Bottom of My Broken Heart, Beat Goes On and Born To Make You Happy that was pretty pleasant. By her second album she started laying the baby doll affect stronger. Her natural voice is deep but she never learned a proper technique.

Most singers are middle of the road, vocally. Perfectly fine with me. I find the obsession with octaves and runs disturbing. And sad. That’s not what popular singing is about. Nor should it be.

R206 Christina's best album is her debut. For some reason it just worked well. She is someone who needs an editor to tell her what to do.

R215, agreed. Her debut is great because she didn't oversing nearly as much. And she came off as mature compared to Britney.

R211 Justin has a ballad on Justified that was pure cringe. He had no business trying to sing a Bryan McKnight song. Bieber and Chris Brown also have mediocre vocals yet get praised.

R217, I remember Timberlake use to talk about how Bryan McKnight was his idol. I wonder how true that was. He seems like the type to make up shit as he goes along in order to have credibility.

R218 Justin also said Janet, Michael Jackson and Prince were his idols too. So take that as you will.

R219, LOL. He's like the poster boy for blue-eyed soul at its worst.

[quote]No white guy wanted Janet

Bullshit. Robert DeNiro, George Lucas, Matthew McConaughey, and Timberwimp wanted her.

McConaughey got her (briefly)

How is the Disney, the company which is closet to the old studio system, not cultivating its young stars with the proper musical and dance training and acting direction while they are involved in their series? Do they see it can only better their cash cow abilities to do so?

George Lucas was married to a black woman, but still wanted this one...

…………...

NSYNC was a white New Jack Swing group as was New Kids on the Block and Backstreet Boys. All worked with black songwriters and producers too. Max Martin the main songwriter for NSYNC and BSB admitted his love for New Jack Swing and Robyn and Britney were basically his attempts at combining Janet Jackson and The Spice Girls into one package. NSYNC took it further by covering Janet songs and having rappers featured in their songs.

JT took influences from R&B and found the best producers like The Neptunes and Timbaland. Justified was filled with MJ reject songs. Future Sex/Love Sounds was basically a Prince record. 20/20 Experience was his attempt at appealing to an adult contemporary audience with lounge elevator music.

Who would run the risk of marrying Lucas and having Ewok children?

Kevin Costner wanted Janet too. I'd kill to have him look at me the way he was ogling her here. And the territorial way he says "Make it a short dance" when the host wants to dance with her is just...mmmm….!

R222 Yeah I don't get it either. But Britney, Timberlake and Christina weren't even the most talented on The Mickey Mouse Club. JC did have star quality but lacked ambition. There were plenty of other Mousketeers that could sing their asses off but went nowhere. Disney didn't really promote them well when that era of MMC was airing.

Disney lowered their expectations because of the surprise success of Hilary Duff who couldn't sing, dance or act. They realized teen consumers don't really care about talent because as long as they emotionally connect to the idol they will buy the merchandise. The Olsen twins already proved this theory already but Hilary really set that formula.

Poor Jabba just keeps trying and trying. And failing and failing. Fail, Jabba, fail!

^Janbot says jump, desperate troll asks "How high???!!!"

R229 I blocked it. It’s unseemly and hijacks every thread. No one wanted that stinky, fat pussy. Unless they wanted to fuck MJ’s botched face.

Anyway- I love normal singing voices. I don’t need the equivalent to chewing the scenery in acting.

Can someone actually compare Janet's chart performance in UK, Europe, Asia, Australia to Janet's.

We know you love (your) stats, Janbot.

R231 is a scared little pansy. Blocked? Lol!

[quote] Disney lowered their expectations because of the surprise success of Hilary Duff who couldn't sing, dance or act. They realized teen consumers don't really care about talent because as long as they emotionally connect to the idol they will buy the merchandise. The Olsen twins already proved this theory already but Hilary really set that formula.

It's really the magic of marketing. The stage moms are the ambitious ones who tell Hollywood that their kids are willing to day anything to become a star and Hollywood makes money off of them. Hollywood doesn't bother with kids or actors who don't fully cooperate right from the start and do as they've been told.

Can't believe how Mariah dominated, even Madonna did better than I remember. Fucking Celine Dion...

Madonna didn't have a #1 through the entirety of the '90s. She was debuting lower than Snoop Dogg on the Billboard chart.

It makes sense, snoop dogg is a better singer than Madonna, he also writes his own songs

Enya was/is the last of the album artists. Her singles didn't do much (save for "Orinocco Flow") but her albums were like symphonies you just put on and listened straight through. She's still good and I love that she did so well and NEVER toured because she couldn't reproduce her dubbed sound. Her last work was actually great but very familiar.

[quote]Madonna didn't have a #1 through the entirety of the '90s.

As we all know, having a #1 for just one week is far more important, prestigious and lucrative than selling millions upon millions of albums.

Did Madame XLax go linoleum or wood?

It sold more than Insufferable or whatever that last Jane Jacket album was that disappeared in three weeks.

R241 the Jane Jacket thing is about as funny as the Jabba thing

Enya was much bigger than Janet in Japan.

[quote] Whitney's '80s music, all I hear is LOUD. And kind of mechanical IMO. But her later stuff was good and showed she could sing and interpret a song.

Whitney tried to move to R&B when the pop diva era ended, but she sounded terrible singing anything other than pop. She had no soul. She sounded like Celine or Barbra trying to sing R&B. She was not a versatile artist like Christina or Ariana, who are white girls but can sing both pop and R&B music very convincingly.

[quote] Janet was the one who told Paula she should get into music.

And we are all the worse for it

Whitney had way more soul than Ariana and Christina who are merely just technical singers. She had more soul than technical Mariah and Beyonce also. Whitney was a natural singer and her live performances showed that. I think Whitney would have done great in jazz and quiet storm like Sade.

R246, You're wrong on all fronts. Whitney had no soul and sounded ridiculous singing R&B.

Janet, Chris Brown, Trey Songz, Beyonce, Ariana, Timberlake and Christina don't have soul and sing R&B too. R&B isnt about having soul as it's not soul music. R&B is really just pop music that combines elements of dance, urban, soul and blues and is primarily targeted to a black audience.

Soul music is Marvin Gaye, Dionne Warwick, Aretha Franklin, Chaka Khan, Bilal, Jill Scott and D'Angelo.

Dionne Warwick is not soul by that definition.

[quote][R241] the Jane Jacket thing is about as funny as the Jabba thing

Seconded.

No one cares what you think, Jabba.

^Janbot says jump, pressed troll asks “How high?!”

How high as in- How high of an amount of money did Janet lose for the state fair?

About as high as the percentage was when HAGdonna was deemed unlistenable by UK Radio stations and banned.

[quote]Madonna didn't have a #1 through the entirety of the '90s.

Take A Bow was #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 for seven weeks.

^The poster meant that Madonna didn’t have any #1 albums in the 90s. Hilariously, she didn’t.

Post Rhythm Nation, I remember Janet Jackson's single "That's the Way Love Goes" getting a lot of play in '93 and then she had the song where she sampled Joni Mitchell's Big Yellow Taxi in the late 90s, but other than that I don't remember much else from her. I remember Mariah and Madonna being all over the radio throughout the 90s.

R244: Whitney made an R&B record in 1990 (the I’m Your Baby Tonight album) - how is that when the diva era ended? It had barely started. The songs suited her voice perfectly too.

Madonna, Whitney and Mariah were everywhere in the early 90s. Madonna released perhaps her most signature song since Like A Virgin -- Vogue. Mariah made her debut and scored 4 number one hits from her album. And Whitney slayed everyone in 1992 with The Bodyguard. I do remember Janet Jackson, mostly from the Janet album (I consider Rhythm Nation more of an late 80s album).

After the Sex book, Madonna took a major hit and didn't fully recover until Ray of Light where she reinvented herself as the Kabbalah earth mother. Bedtime Stories was a return to form for her, but it didn't achieve the success like her earlier albums. With Bedtime Stories she was riding on the R&B wave that was popular at the time, working with producers mostly associated with Mariah, Whitney, Mary J., TLC, Toni Braxton, .etc. Celine was majorly successful, but she was more of an album artist than a singles artist, so a lot of her success went under the radar during the 90s until her success with "My Heart Will Go On."

The 90s was a great decade for women in Pop and R&B.

Celine had such a gorgeous and powerful voice, I always thought it was a shame she wasted it on such "Lite FM" secretary music dreck. It made her a VERY wealthy woman, though.

I wish she had been more adventurous with her career and tried a more modern, edgier sound. That would've been interesting to hear.

Madonna had 4 #1 songs in the 90s- 2 were her biggest ever. She had a ton of songs that peaked at #2. Her 30 million selling Immaculate Collection didn’t hit #1 on the album charts.

Madonna is going back to WBR where they’ll recertify her albums and songs likely adding 50-75 million sales.

R261, how quaint, the biggest selling Madonna album--one that didn't even reach number one--sold like 2. 5x what Janet's biggest selling album did.

[quote] Whitney had no soul and sounded ridiculous singing R&B.

This is complete BS. My Love is Your Love is considered her best album and was probably her ONLY album that critics loved. Before that, she had songs like "All the Man that I need" and "Exhale" that proved she could do R&B

Whitters just had a good voice- not much soul.

Madonna had ZERO #1 albums in the States during the ‘90s. She was almost as irrelevant as she is now, save the disastrous plastic surgery and publicity kids.

Having the biggest selling compilation album by a solo artist (1990) and having the biggest selling album of 1998 is irrelevant? Fascinating.

The person who continues to say Whitney had no soul is ridiculous. Yeah, her 80s pop music was soulless, but as a vocalist, Whitney came from the same school as her predecessors: Aretha, Gladys, Patti, Cousin Dionne. Her voice is Gospel trained which is the foundation of soul singing. So, no, Whitney was very soulful and the greatest vocalist of her generation.

"You Give Good Love" and "Saving All My Love" were R&B/Quiet Storm jams. It wasn't until she released the "Whitney" album that she began to get a backlash. (Keep in mind, this was around the time Anita Baker was burning up the charts with Rapture and many critics compared the two all the time, the majority of them favoring Anita.)

R267, Whitney is a horrible album. But her debut is pretty good R&B-lite, particularly the singles. She also had "All the Man that I Need" which is a fantastic R&B song.

Madonna debuted lower than Kid N Play on the charts and nobody cared for her tired opening performance at the 1993 VMAs. This was the same year than Janet closed the show and brought down the house.

Nippy is overrated. She’s so vanilla.

R265 Madonna had FOUR #2 peaking albums in the states in the 90s and they hung around, instead debuting at #1 and falling like a rock

In fact, Ray of Light debuted at #2 behind the massive Titanic soundtrack but it had the highest first week sales by a female artist ever at that point, the previous winner was Janet Jackson for her 1993 Janet album so Madonna sold more copies with ROL than Janet but because of competition, Janet debuted at #1 while ROL at #2

It's not the peak of an album or single or movie but the longevity on the charts

Cher, Aretha, Dolly, Cyndi and Tina never had a #1 album in the states but Private Dancer for instance sold shitloads and stayed on the charts for three years in the 80s

Also since 2000, Madonna has had a whopping SIX further #1 albums in the states

Madonna failed to reach the summit of the billboard album chart in a decade where Janet got an academy award nom, signed two of the biggest record deals in history and had two #1 albums.

R271 Madonna had her biggest era WW since the 80s in the 00s. Music, Confessions (Hung Up was a massive WW hit. It would have been #1 in the US but radio wouldn’t play it yet it was #1 is sales). Then her 00s touring was huge.

Janbot's perspective is skewed because he grew up in an urban ghetto. He was never a part of mainstream society so of course he's not going to be familiar with what the dominant culture of the 80s/90s was.

Janbot's perspective is skewed because it is a.

I blocked that Jane jacket nut

R260: have you listened to much of Celine’s french stuff? I’m a sucker for her ‘LiteFM’ stuff and don’t see much difference in her English vs French music but a lot of people comment that her French is a lot more listenable. I’d go with the S’il Suffisait D’Aimer album from about 1998 and Encore Un Soir from 2016. D’eux from 1995 is her biggest selling French album (or ‘the French Album’ as it was called in the US) but it might be too poppy/LiteFM for you.

R277, not R260 here, but that makes sense. Celine often sounds really awkward singing English.

R260: also have you listened to her more recent stuff? I’m less a fan of it as she does this growly low thing with her voice which I hate but she’s had some great more modern songs e.g Somebody Loves Somebody on the Loved Me Back To Life album or Imperfections on her latest (mainly dire/boring IMO) album Courage

R278: it’s funny I’d never really thought about that but now you’ve said that I totally see it. Weirdly I think she sounds more awkward on her more recent English songs. Probably because back in the 90s everything was so controlled by Sony and they had her sing each line 50 times till she nailed the pronunciation.

R280, her accent is so strong, it gets in the way of her songs a lot of times. I'm sure Sony was VERY controlling over Celine, Mottola controlled all his artists. Speaking of which, I wonder how Mariah felt when Celine was outselling her by the middle/end of the decade. Maybe that's why she found the need to criticize Celine's performance with Aretha in her memoir.

R281 Of course. Mariah is a very jealous cow. Celine usurped her and to add insult to injury, Madonna was steadily gaining after 1993. Celine was also pissing on Mariah World wide.

In all honesty, had Mariah continued making more albums like "Music Box" her sales would rival Celine Dion's. But she decided to move more towards R&B/Hip Hop Soul, and her sales took a hit because of it. Celine may have began outselling Mariah by the end of the 90s, however, Mariah was able to survive longer as a chart-topper as she was able to transition into a different sound. Celine hit her peak in the late 90s.

Celine wasn't flexible as Whitney and Mariah, the latter could navigate through Pop and R&B more easily. Celine pretty much could only do Adult Contemporary, and by the early 2000s, that sound was dying out. Plus, Celine toured far more than Mariah, so that certainly helped with her sales throughout the 90s.

R283 Mariah didn’t tour much because she was awful and not a draw.

Mariah would have tanked selling more sugar sweet ballads. She knew she rode that as far as she could.

Mariah had a huge 1990-1997, after 1997, incidentally the year she divorced Tommy Mottolla, not so much

From 92-97 she outsold Madonna worldwide but from 97 to the present, Madonna has EASILY been outselling Mariah worldwide

Not to mention, Madonna's huge 80s career, that you may have heard about...

That's not true, R284.

I remember vividly in the 90s when all the fraus (who made up the majority of the Celine Dion fans) complaining about how they didn't like Mariah's new sexualize image and sound, and liked her better during "Music Box." Mariah moving away from adult contemporary affected her sales a great deal. That's not even debatable. It had nothing to do with her potentially tanking with it when she was already a great success in that genre. It had everything to do with rebelling against Tommy Motolla's strict control, and the fact she enjoyed doing R&B and Hip Hop-infused music more than Adult Contemporary.

And the fact that she didn't tour much was due to her inability to reproduce the same level of vocals as she did on her album, night after night. Her voice is very fragile, and she suffered from stage fright. So she didn't tour as frequently as her peers. However, her concerts during her prime were successful and sold out. Not to mention she was a huge draw in Asia.

R237 uh Madonna's Ray of Light album in 1998 had the highest US first week sales of any album by a female artist in chart history but it missed #1 and debited at #2 because of the Titanic soundtrack

I'm no genius, but I'd rather sell 380,000 albums my first week, like ROL did, and debut at #2 that sell 100,000 copies on a less competitive week and debut at #2, like many albums in the 90s did

So please shut the fuck up

I meant to post sell 100,000 and debut at #1

R286, it wasn't just the fraus. I think the vast majority of Mariah fans didn't likethe change--I know I didn't. It was a sign of (the beginning of) her mental regression from adult to teenage girl in a grown woman's body.

R286 Mariah was never successful in concert and was actively terrible in concert. She was propped up by Mottola who payola’d her to a lot of success. Google Mariah payola. She was known for her cheap tricks to get hits. She changed her sound to follow the rap BS. It worked for a bit but she ran out of steam. She’s boring.

R94 wrong, Madonna had a Hot 100 #1 single in 2000 with Music

She last had a #1 album last year with Madame X

She last had a global chart #1 in 2008 with 4 Minutes

If you're gonna bash, get it right

I don't know what happened to sweet girl Mariah, but after Tommy, she started acting hoochie and throwing shade left and right.

R290, Payola doesn't explain her three diamond albums and worldwide album sales. Payola doesn't explain her success post-Mottola with The Emancipation of Mimi. And most of those articles aren't credible at all. None of them are written by a musical historian or legitimate music critic. They're written by gossip columnists who have axes to grind.

If Mariah was just a singles-artist then the payola label would carry more weight. The fact remains: Mariah sold a shitload of singles and albums during the 90s, as well as the mid-2000s.

Singles translated into album sales. She does not have 3 diamond albums.

Her payola is legend and was included in a NY AG case. Billboard had to change many rules due to her cheating.

"Singles translated into album sales." That's not how it worked back then (hell, it doesn't even work like that today -- ask Rhianna). There were many artists who were successful selling singles but it didn't translate into album sales. And Mariah's debut album is 9x platinum in the United States. It hasn't officially been certified as a diamond album, but it technically is at this point. The other stuff you wrote isn't worth responding too; it's just gossip by fans of other pop singers that are vexed by her sales.

It's clear you don't like any of the black female pop singers: Whitney doesn't have soul; "Jabba" only plays at state fairs and eats KFC; Mariah is a "payola queen." Somehow all the major pop stars are illegitimate other than Madonna and Celine Dion, white women. Everyone else either cheated for their success, mediocre, or complete failures with no creativity or talent. Your posts about Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey reeks of latent racism, insecurities and jealousy.

You can't discuss this topic fairly and objectively because your fandom for Madonna clouds your analysis.

[quote]Plus, Celine toured far more than Mariah, so that certainly helped with her sales throughout the 90s.

Celine was a big touring force and had tours that grossed over $100 million. Mariah never made $100 million with a tour because she wasn't a big draw. That's why Celine's estimated net worth is $800 million and Mariah's is $300 million.

The big touring acts become mega-wealthy. It's nice to hear your song on the radio and maybe go #1, but that's small beans compared to grossing over $100 million with a tour.

Celine Dion had a huge Boomer fanbase, and also people who were even older than that. She crossed a lot of age demographics that the other pop divas didn't.

Madonna, for example, was mostly a Gen X thing. A lot of Boomers hated her, as we can see on Datalounge.

Celine had My Heart Will Go On as the title theme of Titanic. Titanic gained her Gen X and Millennials fans. Though French Canadian Gen Xers likely still followed her from her teen artist days

R296: Celine became a big concert draw once she began doing her Vegas residency.

Mariah was a huge draw during the 90s -- her Tokyo Dome concert in 1996 broke records -- she just didn't tour as often as Celine and Whitney. You don't sell that amount of singles and albums worldwide like Mariah and people refuse to see you in concerts performing those hits. Mariah's failure is that she refused to establish herself as a major touring force early in her career. Whitney and Celine were doing major international tours during the peaks of their careers while Mariah didn't.

If we're talking about the last ten years, no, Mariah isn't a great draw. She has regressed as a performer since her mental breakdown back in the early 2000s -- and that includes her drastic vocal decline. She's lazy as a performer and half-asses a lot of her songs live due to her vocal decline. Whereas back during "Music Box" and "Daydream" she was far more energetic and comfortable as a performer on stage.

Finally, it's interesting how you use the lowest estimate of Mariah's net worth when it ranges around $300-$600 million. Frankly, at the end of the day, Mariah is set for life and doesn't have to tour or perform at concerts ever again if she chooses. Whether it's $300 or $600, she's an insanely wealthy woman; a true rags-to-riches story.

My WWII generation grandmother and her old lady friends all loved Celine Dion back in the 90s. You had three generations listening to her music, that hardly ever happens.

Mariah's vocal decline happened early, which is odd for someone who never smoked.

R300, Adele has that same type of demographic reach. It's why her albums sell like crazy with each new release. Boomers and Gen-Xers are big consumers of Adult Contemporary Pop.

R286: yeah as a Mariah fan at the time I remember it doing my head in when people would say she went slutty, lost her clothes and went R&B to sell records. As if. Doing that drove away the housewives who were the biggest part of her fan base at the time.

R290: did you ever see her live during her 90s peak? She was up there with Whitney at her late 80s/early 90s peak vocally. Listen to the Daydream tour songs on her latest Rarities album or find then on YouTube. ‘Actively terrible’ perhaps 1998 onwards but definitely not in 1995/6.

R301: it’s odd. Mariah seemed to lose her effortless vocal ability between 1996 and 1997. Think I’ve joked about this before on another thread but it’s like Tommy Mottola cut a vocal chord or cursed her with a spell the day she walked out on him.

Well, I finally watched the whole video and I’m shocked about how much Mariah shows up, I just have little or no memory of her at all. I don’t think where ever I listened to music played her much. Maybe she was a west coast thing? I literally knew only a few of those songs. She always seemed very niche and I found her very unattractive.

Proud of Enya that she showed up three times, that’s very impressive. I don’t think I realized that Faith Hill and Shania Twain we’re different people, I think I just saw blond country. Whitney really relied on soundtracks quite a bit, but somehow never captured becoming a movie star. Nice to see the indie type girls like Alanis and Sarah at the end of the decade. Celine really was the power house of the decade. Christmas albums shouldn’t count.

r306 you seriously have little or no memory of Mariah in the 90s? How is that even possible? She was everywhere in that decade.

[quote]It's clear you don't like any of the black female pop singers: Whitney doesn't have soul; "Jabba" only plays at state fairs and eats KFC; Mariah is a "payola queen." Somehow all the major pop stars are illegitimate other than Madonna and Celine Dion, white women. Everyone else either cheated for their success, mediocre, or complete failures with no creativity or talent. Your posts about Janet Jackson, Whitney Houston and Mariah Carey reeks of latent racism, insecurities and jealousy.

Thank you for singling out this racist piece of trash.

I like how you slid Janet into that group when no one is even talking about her. Janet isn't fit to lick Mariah or Whitney's boots.

Mariah and Whitney could sing. Janet... well, Janet had Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis and her famous brother.

Janet could never sing, but then again, neither could Britney.

No, but Britney has a better voice than Janet. So does Paula, for that matter.

Come on, Paula DID NOT have a better voice than Janet. Just looking at the main divas discussed in this thread, in tier 1, you;d have Mariah, Whitney and Celine ; tier 2, Madonna; tier 3, Janet; tier 4, Paula.

[quote]Janet isn't fit to lick Mariah or Whitney's boots.

But enough about your perverted proclivities.

Janet Jackson wouldn't have to stoop to do such things, as she is (and was) good friends with both women. Whitney loved Janet and even covered her song Control in concert in the late '80s, and Mariah has always spoken favorably of Janet. Besides, Janet is in the RNR Hall of Fame, and they are not. Janet is the only one of the three (and the first female in history) to have five consecutive #1 albums on the Billboard 200 and to produce seven top 5 Hot 100 hits from a solo album. Janet has an Academy Award nom, and they do not. And so on and so on and so on...

[quote]No, but Britney has a better voice than Janet. So does Paula, for that matter.

You stupid fucking peasant. To even utter the name Britney Spears in the same sentence as Janet Jackson other than to say that she was clearly inspired by Janet above all others is sacrilege. Britney can't sing for shit now, and she never could. The best she could ever muster was obtaining Janet castoff songs (Cathy Dennis originally wrote Toxic for Janet and The Neptunes wrote I'm A Slave For U and Boys for Janet). And, for as much as I love Paula Abdul, she has nowhere near the vocal capabilities of Janet Jackson, and to say otherwise is utterly foolish. Janet's background harmonies slay not only Paula's but Madonna's too. Paula could never pull this off...

Nobody considered Janet a great singer, then or now. She whispers. She’s more of a dancer and entertainer. Which is fine. She’s enjoyable and good in her lane, kind of the equivalent of Adam Sandler in acting.

Janet is not a better singer than Madonna in any universe. Especially after the Evita voice training, Madonna can blow Janet out of the water even though she's not even the greatest singer herself. Janet sounds the same on almost every song she sings. But I do think she's at least one or two levels above Paula Abdul.

Funny how Janet Jackson fell off of the cultural radar so quickly, for someone who was so popular. She's been done for nearly 20 years now.

[quote] Janet sounds the same on almost every song she sings

No.

The gritty rock vocals of Black Cat are not the same as the sassy Nasty vocals are not the same as the girlish vocals of When I Think of You are not the sultry belting of I Get Lonely, etc. For evidence of her vocal versatility, look no further than the 7th top 5 hit from Rhythm Nation 1814 - the #1 single Love Will Never Do (Without You). She sings the first verse in a deeper register, then switches it up to her higher register for the second verse. The background harmonies on this track are also flawless.

[quote]Funny how Janet Jackson fell off of the cultural radar so quickly

You tried, and failed. Janet's pop culture impact and influence are perennial. Look no further than the last presidential election.

No, she hasn't been part of the public consciousness in the same way Mariah and Madonna have in many years. For someone who was such a big star, she didn't stick around. Kind of like Linda Ronstadt, another big star who kind of fell out of the public eye.

[quote]No, she hasn't been part of the public consciousness in the same way Mariah and Madonna have in many years

Well, when you've publicly humiliated yourself the way the two Ms have as of late (a botched New Year's Eve performance, falling down the stairs at the Brit Awards, horrid plastic surgery, embarrassing social media antics, Nick Cannon, the sloppy Drake kiss, etc.), I guess becoming a mom, being inducted into the RNR Hall of Fame and selling out a positively reviewed Vegas stint after having toured the world the previous three years to more glowing reviews kinda pales by comparison, right? NOT!

Janet hasn't been much a part of the culture in years, Janbot. Please.

I guess in your little ghetto corner of the world she's still kind of relevant, but in the mainstream she's been absent for a long time.

My little "ghetto corner of the world?" LOL. Your little racist tirade does not detract from the fact that Janet Jackson is now and will forever be a part of pop culture.

A part of pop culture, but not terribly relevant or "present" on the current landscape. People under 30 barely know who she is.

Once again, your presumptuousness has cost you some credibility.

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[quote] The gritty rock vocals of Black Cat

Nothing about "Black Cat" is gritty. It is a glossy 80s-produced pop song.

Janet is very important. If not for her, I'd have never heard of Baja Fresh.

Only on DL could this thread turn into 300+ posts arguing about Janet Jackson

Imagine spending your whole life hyping an entertainer twenty years past her expiration. Whom you don’t know and have no connection to.

Here’s the reality: like Kylie, Janet was handed a career. As a matter of fact, they are almost parallel, with Janet being more popular in the USA and Kylie in Europe. They were afforded music careers because they were pretty and already famous. Kylie and Janet were child actresses, like Hilary Duff. They made good pop music because they showed up to the studio and excellent producers wrote their songs and made their vocals sound good.

There is no shame in this, but let’s not pretend these are trained musicians who spent years on their craft. They were attractive ladies with connections who could passably sing (or whispercoo). They both learned their craft along the way. I give Kylie slightly more credit for singing live-ish in concert. Janet is a much better dancer. But they are comparable talents.

R329 Black Cat only sounds gritty if all one listens to is dance pop.

R333, that was going to be my alternate response: "If your idea of rock music is Coldplay, then yes, Black Cat is one gritty, epic song".

[quote]Imagine spending your whole life hyping an entertainer twenty years past her expiration.

I know. Poor HAGdonna stans.

Black Cat has garnered praise from multiple rock icons, from Tommy Lee to Lemmy Kilmister.

[italic]Lemmy Kilmister of Motörhead intended to record a version of "Black Cat" with Janet Jackson, but was prohibited. Lemmy stated, "I wanted to do a version of 'Black Cat' with her, but Sony wouldn't let me. You could tell from the video that she was having a good time, that this loud rock music is what she really wanted to be doing. I love that fuckin' song...Great fuckin' song that but the record company wouldn't let it be possible." Lemmy later revealed Jackson as his most desired collaboration and planned to record a new version with her for his unreleased solo album Lemmy & Friends, saying "I want to get Janet Jackson to do this great single called 'Black Cat.”[/italic]

Dave Navarro, Nuno Bettencourt from Extreme and Vernon Reid from Living Colour all played on various mixes of the song. BC has also been remade and covered by various rock acts. In other words, what a few ninnies on an obscure gay internet forum think of its rock merit is really a non-factor.

Black Cat garnered praised from rock legends Tommy Lee and Lemmy Kilmister...

[italic]Lemmy Kilmister of Motörhead intended to record a version of "Black Cat" with Janet Jackson, but was prohibited. Lemmy stated, "I wanted to do a version of 'Black Cat' with her, but Sony wouldn't let me. You could tell from the video that she was having a good time, that this loud rock music is what she really wanted to be doing. I love that fuckin' song...Great fuckin' song that but the record company wouldn't let it be possible." Lemmy later revealed Jackson as his most desired collaboration and planned to record a new version with her for his unreleased solo album Lemmy & Friends, saying "I want to get Janet Jackson to do this great single called 'Black Cat’.”[/italic]

Dave Navarro, Nuno Bettencourt from Extreme and Vernon Reid from Living Colour all played on various mixes of the song. BC has also been covered by various rock acts over the years. In other words, what a few ninnies on an obscure internet forum think about its rock cred is really a non-factor.

Black Cat was 30 years ago. Jackson hasn't been relevant since the early 2000s, at the very latest. She never had a big comeback like Mariah did in the mid-2000s.

When you are an icon, relevancy is moot. Your place in pop culture is set in stone. Her influence is perennial. Her last album made her one of only three artists (and the only black artist) to have a #1 album in each of the last four decades. She was just inducted into the RNR HOF.

So sit down and shut up.

Just to stir the pot. Released on August 28, 1990, "Black Cat" was written by Jackson herself and received a Grammy Award nomination for Best Rock Vocal Performance, Female, making Janet the only artist in history to have Grammy nominations spanning the Pop, Dance, Rock, Rap, and R&B categories.

No one remembers Jane Jacket.

r339 but Janet Jackson hasn't had much currency in mainstream popular culture in a LONG time. Again, you live in a niche, mostly African-American environment so of course you're not in touch with mainstream tastes or culture in general.

Please, even the black community forgot who Janet was. They couldn't give one fuck. The only audience she still has is a small portion of old school gays, which is ironic since Jabba is virulently homophobic.

[quote] rock legends Tommy Lee and Lemmy Kilmister...Dave Navarro, Nuno Bettencourt from Extreme and Vernon Reid

It was the 80s, they were all on drugs.

[quote]Again, you live in a niche, mostly African-American environment

Excuse me, miss, but you don't know where the fuck I live or where I come from. Don't put your presumptuously racist leanings on me, girl.

[quote] but Janet Jackson hasn't had much currency in mainstream popular culture in a LONG time

But...but...BUT!!!

Janet doesn't have a single song over 100 million on Spotify so it wasn't much of a surge.

I love how during the last election, MANdonna was offering blowjobs for Hillary to the embarrassment of many, while Janet did absolutely nothing to have her song Nasty (one of her most pop culturally known songs) re-enter the zeitgeist.

[quote] Excuse me, miss, but you don't know where the fuck I live or where I come from. Don't put your presumptuously racist leanings on me, girl.

What's wrong with being from an African-American community, Jabba? So Jabba is a racist AND a homophobe.

I picture Janbot being a queeny, overweight Asian guy.

Some Hillary/Janet fan art did not bring Nasty back. Maybe on one tabloid story they played it in the background.

^You’re so wrong that I’m literally feeling some second hand embarrassment for you.

Insider? Another fake media site.

Whites gave up on this bitch after the early 90s.

Blacks hate her, too.

[quote]Insider? Another fake media site.

Give it up, Trumpalina.

ohhh, wow. people played it for a couple days. well that changes EVERYTHING!

^Stop moving the goalposts. It underscores your desperation. At first you were prattling on about fanart and tabloid background music, and now this. Not a good look.

No idea what you're talking about, fat homophobic, racist bitch. But then we never do.

Ok. So much bullshit has been spewed on this thread.

Young people know who Janet is. The world knows who she is. Young people know who Prince and Michael are also. There is a certain level one can reach where they are eternally a part of pop culture. Janet, Madonna, Michael, Prince, Freddie Mercury, Marilyn, Elvis, etc. are eternal pop culture fixtures.

Mariah sales, while not on Music Box or Daydream level, we’re still great throughout the 90s. Butterfly sold a lot less than her previous albums, but still sold over 10 million copies. That’s good. You all are acting like she sold 10k copies. The following year her #1s album sold over 16 million copies.

You all are acting like she faded. She was always big and did well.

And to say someone who sold all those albums wasn’t a draw... give me a break. Everyone knows when she would do a concert it would SELL, she didn’t tour because she didn’t like it and is LAZY.

Also, Mariahs image and sound change turned many off. My mother owned all her albums until Butterfly and didn’t like the singles from that one. Before Butterfly, she would listen to her all the time, especially her Unplugged album and Daydream. She always blasted Daydream.

I am the one who bought Butterfly and played it and she hated it. Then she hated her Rainbow album, and don’t get her started on Glitter! By the time Charmbracelet came she was over her. Not even Emancipation of MiMi got her that interested, although she liked We Belong Together a lot.

I think as time passes, sales become less important than iconic songs. It's similar to huge movie stars from bygone eras who weren't in movies that are still relevant and are thus largely forgotten. Gene Tierney for example.

That's sort of Janet to me. She was absolutely huge in her day. But, besides other pop stars who aren't in any way representative of the general population, she's not remembered all that much. It also hurts she doesn't have that signature song (Mariah's Christmas song, Whitney's I Will Always Love You, Madonna's Vogue for examples) that we still hear today on singing shows, seasonally, or on the radio.

I hear All For You, Again and Together Again on the radio regularly

The store I manage updated its playlist and added a few Janet songs. It always had Escapade and Miss You Much, but now they’ve added Together Again and All For You.

Fantasy & We Belong Together are the Mariah songs on that ongoing long Playlist.

Madonna has a few but mostly new stuff. The only older song of hers on it is Cherish.

Sorry, they also added When I Think of You by Janet.

White people were done with Janet after the early 90s.

R8 is quoting from one of the lectures Janet Jackson gives at her concerts.

R365 false

True, r367. She really fell out of favor with white people after the early 90s, much like her brother.

You keep on with white people r368

White people aren’t the only people in the world who listen to music. They aren’t even the people who created it. Please stop.

All For You sales were majority white people. That album (and singles) success are why she was asked to Headline the Super Bowl. She had a HUGE year. Yet you keep claiming otherwise. It’s bullshit.

Might I add that All For You sold millions of copies despite being banned in numerous countries! It’s a shame we never got to see how it would have done if not banned in places.

[quote] She had a HUGE year. Yet you keep claiming otherwise. It’s bullshit.

She sure did. She unleashed that huge flop of a titty on the unsuspecting public.

She bombed hugely at the Superbowl because of it.

She lost a huge amount of the fans that were still left after the 90s.

She got huge by eating troughs of food every day.

[quote] Might I add that All For You sold millions of copies despite being banned in numerous countries! It’s a shame we never got to see how it would have done if not banned in places.

cough*Bullshit*cough

Janet was already a has-been by 2004. The tit flash really put an end to her career.

In regards to the All For You album-

“The album received three Grammy Award nominations, including Best Pop Vocal Album, winning Best Dance Recording for its title track. It became Jackson's fifth consecutive album to top the Billboard 200 albums chart in the United States and had the biggest opening week sales of her career. Upon its release, it also had the second highest first week sales for a female artist in Nielsen Soundscan history. It reached the top five of most countries internationally and was the biggest selling international pop album of the year in Japan. “

And it was banned in numerous countries...

“The explicit language and sexual content of several songs drew media controversy, causing the album to be banned in several countries.“

[quote] And it was banned in numerous countries... “The explicit language and sexual content of several songs drew media controversy, causing the album to be banned in several countries.“

Look everyone, Jabba discovered Wikipedia. Jump, Jabba, jump!

It's called PR spin, you fat whore.

R375 I am not Jabba. And I remember when the controversy happened. It isn’t a PR spin.

Despite that it still sold 10 million copies

But i thought she had no success post early 90s, according to the racist troll aka “ a” accuser troll.

Lead single "All for You" was one of Jackson's most successful singles and broke multiple airplay records. In the US, it was the biggest hit of the year, topping the Billboard Hot 100 for seven weeks and became a top ten hit on the majority of singles charts worldwide. "Someone to Call My Lover" reached number three on the Hot 100 and within the top twenty internationally while "Son of a Gun (I Betcha Think This Song Is About You)" peaked within the top forty in most territories. "Come On Get Up" was also released as a single in Japan. In promotion for the album, Jackson was declared MTV's inaugural Icon, receiving a televised tribute titled MTV Icon: Janet Jackson. The special honored Jackson's contribution within music and popular culture, in recognition of "one of the most influential and beloved tastemakers in contemporary pop." During that period, Jackson was presented numerous career accolades, including the American Music Award's Award of Merit, TMF Award's Lifetime Achievement Award, and Recording Academy's Governor's Award.

[quote] Despite that it still sold 10 million copies

No it didn't. It sold half that WW.

R378 false. It sold 5 million Internationally and 3 million in the states.

8 million. Since 2003 it’s at 10 million

[quote] [R378] false. It sold 5 million Internationally and 3 million in the states.

No, dumb fuck, it sold 5 million worldwide, 3 of them in the US. Learn to read.

“it has sold over three million copies in the US according to Nielsen Soundscan and an estimated five million copies internationally. All for You was the twelfth best-selling album of the year worldwide, and was one of the best-selling albums of the decade in the United States.”

Clearly you don’t know how to read r380 aka the racist a accuser troll

Again, you're relying on Wikipedia. You're a dumb cunt, Jabba. You always have been, you always will be. And I will always beat you.

R382 you just HATE that she wasn’t the dead weight you wanna claim. If you were around in 2001 (and I know your old ass was), All For You was on the radio 24/7, on MTV, on BET etc.

The album debuted at number one and sold 605k albums it’s first week in the USA! You’re acting like the numbers aren’t out there. She was still killing it, but that FACT doesn’t fit your agenda (that you have for every black artist) so you disregard it

WTF? When did this thread turn into the Janet Jackson thread?

When Jabba invaded it.

Who is Jabba? from Star Wars?

Jabba aka Janbot is an insane ghetto-dwelling Janet stan who has an unhealthy obsession with her. His perception of her relevance in mainstream society is severely skewed.

Jabba has a severe allergy to facts.

And soap from what I hear.

I am not Jabba. Just someone stating facts. The lie that she was not relevant post 1993, when in 1995 she had a number 1 single and her Design of a Decade sold 10 million copies, and then Velvet Rope sold 11 million and then All For You was a smash...

R374/R377/R383 is telling the truth, and the racist Madonna-worshipping sissies are seething.

Bitches, get over it. Janet's ALL FOR YOU made her the first female to have five consecutive #1 albums. The Grammy-winning title track was the longest running Hot 100 #1 single of 2001 and broke numerous radio airplay records, some of which were not broken until a decade later by Lady Gaga's Born This Way. ALL FOR YOU gave Janet the biggest first week sales of her career, some 15 years AFTER she had become a bonafide superstar (that's more than a decade for the slow people in the back). MTV declared her their first ICON that year, and she was presented with several awards during the era for her remarkable career, including the NARAS Governor's Award. Her tour to support the album garnered 12 million viewers when broadcast on HBO and is STILL copied stylistically by just about every pop and R&B diva around today for their own tours. In 1999, Janet garnered her 9th Hot 100 #1 with Doesn't Really Matter from the Nutty Professor II soundtrack, which made her the first artist to have a #1 in the 80s, the 90s and the 2000s.

In other words, she was far from "over" when she was picked to headline the 2004 Super Bowl, and to say otherwise just shows your ignorance and/or jealousy.

[quote]It also hurts she doesn't have that signature song

Huh? Are you living on Earth 2? Janet Jackson doesn't have a signature song? The fuck? What Have You Done For Me Lately? Nasty? When I Think of You? Rhythm Nation? Escapade? Together Again? These are signature songs, darling. Are you retarded?

**In 2000, Janet garnered her 9th Hot 100 #1 with Doesn't Really Matter from the Nutty Professor II soundtrack

She was a big deal, even around the time Velvet Rope came out. People loved Janet. I’m not even a fan of many of her Songs, but to act like she was a nobody is a lie. And DL does this for every black artist. Every single one. The only one they show some respect to us Whitney.

All for You did not sell anywhere near 10 million copies. According to this website that actually investigates sales, it sold 7.3 million globally but that is INCLUDING singles sales. By comparison, Madonna's Music sold 13.8 million copies globally with singles sales. That's almost double what Janet's album sold.

R393 that is not including single sales. Sigh. You racists don’t quit.

^They are pretty pathetic, aren't they?

R394, do you know how to read? YES, that site includes singles sales. It sold 7.3 million copies WITH singles sales.

According to the site, the album itself sold between 6.2 and 6.3 million copieis. I'm sorry that these stats are breaking your heart but pointing them out doesn't make someone "racist".

[quote] Huh? Are you living on Earth 2? Janet Jackson doesn't have a signature song? The fuck?

They were saying that Janet doesn't have one specific song that really towers over the others. Mariah has All I Want for Christmas, Whitney has I Will Always Love You, Celine has My Heart Will Go On, etc. But Madonna and Janet don't have one song that really dominates their catalogue at those levels. They have many songs that sold a lot but none that really dominated the others.

Janet was popular through All For You. That tittie flop really wrecked her career. Then she went Jackson weird with marrying the sheik and having a baby at her age.

One thing I will give Janet credit for is that her albums were ALBUMS. They tended to have themes and almost told stories at times. They were also never short, where you feel like it’s not worth the price. It’s almost like she was creating a film through sound.

All For You was 74 minutes long.

Omg even in the comments of that website r393 used are saying the numbers are wrong on many things and the site keeps altering numbers lmaoooo

Maybe try a reliable source

Janet's career went totally down the toilet after she exposed herself at that Super bowl. She was never mainstream again after that.

R401, If you had read further, you would have seen the creators of the website destroying the claims of those fans.

r403 you used an obscure website. Sweetie, nice try. They do not know better than Billboard themself.

On a positive [honest] note, NY Times gave All For You a positive review back in 2001.

It debuted at number 1 and sold 605k in its first week

[quote] I am not Jabba.

Sure, Jab. The seventy five or so posts you have in this thread, all screeching psychotically about your idol, would say otherwise.

R404, how would Billboard know anything about global sales? It doesn't. It strictly knows about American sales.

I can't believe Madonna's "Evita" album was a top seller in 1996, or any other year.

Otherwise, I own quite a few of these albums.

Is All For You the song where in the video she's traveling around the world? I like that song!

That was “Runaway,” a song that gave Janet the distinction of being the first female to debut a single in the top ten of the Hot 100.

[quote] Sure, Janbot.

I’m Janbot, you miserable flamer. And don’t you forget it.

Lmao r411

Because I dared to defend Janet I am Janbot too 😂

No, just someone who states FACTS. Even provided articles from REAL SITES, not obscure ones, which showed her 2001 album debuted with 605k albums sold in a week, the second highest female debut ever (at that time). So the lie that her career was dead post 1993 is bullshit.

And don’t get me started on the “no white people” troll.

^Yes, they are a tiring lot. The jealousy is so potent that you can smell it. 😂 And anyone who says that Janet Jackson was over in 1993 is either a troll or too stupid to live (not that these things are mutually exclusive, of course).

Madonna has more radio friendly, listenable music than Janet overall, but Janet does have some great songs and big hits.

I always tell people they should sit and listen to her "All For You" album from start to finish. It is actually a terrific album, and very positive and light hearted. At the time, critics mostly praised it for how "uplifting" and "positive" it was vs. her previous album, "The Velvet Rope", which was very dark.

Some people just hated how overly sexual a lot of the songs were.

Wow, Jabba has completely gone unhinged and is talking to itself.

You might want to vary your language from post to post if you have any hope of anyone buying otherwise, dear.

^Janbot says "Jump," deluded troll asks, "How high???"

It's so fucking RICH when Janbot accuses someone else of being a troll for calling him out as a. Jabba, you're deflection isn't fooling anyone except the 3rd or 4th portion of your psyche.

Who the fuck is a?