Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

I feel a Lincoln Project Ad coming on.

I read the article earlier today.

It’s utterly horrifying that the President of the US, the head of our military, would talk like this about soldiers.

Per Trump, Military men are losers and stupid. No one smart would ever join the military. You’re even stupider if you got killed. He refused to allow wounded soldiers to appear in his planned military parade

Rachel talking about this now. Author on next.

Is this becoming a big story?

There's a guy on Rachel Maddow who's corroborating the whole thing.

Only a moron is surprised by this. I've said it on here numerous times: Give this pos the choice between dinner with the most liberal Hollywood celebrities or veterans with missing limbs, who in the hell do you think he's choosing? He is NOT patriotic in the least. His God is money and himself. His supporters trying to deny this are fucking garbage. We all know who he is.

People claim that Kissinger never really said "Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy, but there is no fucking doubt in my mind that that is precisely what wealthy Republicans think.

Military people who vote Republican are in fact very stupid. Very fucking stupid.

Giggle

Correction: "Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy"

Unless it's on video, the military supporters won't believe it.

Yeah, what's shocking is that it's really not shocking. Trump is a treasonous, bottom feeder, low rent Caligula. Can't we hand him over to Iran and let them do what they will with him and the rest of the clan?

R9, then they have no dignity and no self-respect, because his comments about McCain, a gold star family and the fact he didn't join others in France because he didn't want to get his hair wet, should've been more than enough...if the fact that he's a fucking draft dodger to boot wasn't enough for them, they're assholes.

I mean my God, dumbasses. Would you fucking listen to us NYers for once? The guy has always been an unpatriotic clown. If you worship him, you're admitting you're slime.

[quote]Donald Trump, in a White House meeting, asked that a military parade exclude wounded veterans, because "nobody wants to see" amputees.

You have to admire the fact that despite being this despicable towards the very people who worship him...they still worship him. That includes the feedlot of ugly who show up to listen to him spew feces. he hates all of them and looks down on them and they still swoon.

And, somehow, to Trump, Confederate soldiers aren't "losers" and "suckers".

But what about Pelosi’s hair?

Trump’s supporters don’t particularly honor military either

R15, the ultimate faux patriots. If the bounties didn't do it or anything else didn't do it, then these motherfuckers might as well stand out on a ledge with a rope around their necks and saying "All for you, Donald!"

Psychos.

But! Nancy got her hair washed!!!!

Trump is beneath contempt.

He actually hates the military and yet the majority of them will STILL vote for him.

Fuckin' amazing.

r18, there was a poll that just came out showing that Biden is leading Trump with members of the military

Searching is hard, huh OP?

[quote] Trump said, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.”

He simply can't have the attention focused on anyone else, even murdered soldiers

Agree with R9, if there isn't a video footage of it, we should only concentrate on the covid deaths. Real, beloved people have died. Lives cut short. Concentrate on that. The younger deaths, the better.

....

Breaking News: Putin joined the military, therefore Trump must believe Putin is a ‘Losers’ and ‘Sucker’

Can you imagine foreign leaders reading this shit today? He’s done more damage to this country than an actual war.

A dog needs to shit in his mouth.

Again, this is no longer about Trump. Why are people angry with someone who has never hid who he is? The anger should be directed at the heaping piles of shit who sit silent, enable it or cheer it on. Fuck all of them. And that includes john Kelly who spit on his own son's grave not only with his silence but when he attacked Frederica Wilson.

John Kelly is even more disgusting than Trump.

MSNBC has been on this story all night.

R24 Ahh, but Putin didn’t die! Therein lies the rub.

Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell have been hammering Trump all night over this story throughout each of their broadcasts.

Humiliate Trump. Bury him.

Drumpf has shown he supports a militia he can control and manipulate rather than the military.

Trump is now apparently defending himself against the allegations in this article and saying that he never called people in the military "losers" and "suckers".

Sure Donald, because that sounds so UNLIKE you.

If he tries to deny it and John Kelly says nothing, then it's probably a good thing his son is dead because he'd be ashamed of his father if he were alive.

His dead son should be ashamed of him anyway for ever even working for that Orange Cretin.

John Kelly is a disgrace and by all accounts a real asshole. Fuck him.

Trump is cognitively "special". He's deficient. He has no empathy. Additionally, he is mean. Not good.

BAD HOMBRE

Dump is a Patridiot.

What has been absolutely driving me mad this morning is seeing all the leftist shits on Twitter (like Michael Tracey) claiming that Trump was merely being anti-war like a good leftist would be. Several were even saying this was probably fake news and Trump never said it, even after it was verified by multiple reputable sources.

Routinely, I pierce my MSNBC bubble to turn on GMA for their first 10 or so minutes just to see what mega-mass media is covering.

No story on this at least for the first 10 mins I had it on.

OMG. That is so telling of how Trump has eliminated any standard of behavior for his being the POTUS; a thing more damning of Americans than of him.

Don't forget Trump deliberately does and says outrageous things to keep the tornado of outrage and distraction turning. Meanwhile. NO COVID leadership. Massive personal profiteering. Election fraud. Bounties on US soldiers. Destruction of an independent justice system.

40 million grifted via the inauguration fund.

Totally unrelated, Pentagon immediately suspends Stars and Stripes military newspaper in print since the civil war.

The Dems should be running ads nonstop showing stuff like this. There is endless material. All I see are tRump fantasy ads trying to convince the gullible that he has done a good job and putting down Biden. Worst president EVER

I really hope some of the officers and officials quoted step forward. It'll establish its undeniability among those on the fence (of course I myself believe it entirely).

r40, hear, hear

Finally I can feel good about greeting veterans in public, " Thank you for your sucking". We can leave lollipops on the graves of fallen soldiers instead of flowers. It would be a stunning visual. Plus, imagine the parades, waving lollis instead of all those flags and stupid pins,.

Someone has to step forward, please god.

Shutting down the Stars and Stripes, both print and online, disturbs me. It’s the only publication that presents the military view and interests, good and bad, AFAIK. If soldiers have another source fine but Fox News isn’t it. Any vet here care to chime in?

Why couldn’t this be on audio? Damnit!!! He would completely sink with no hope if he was caught slamming the military like that on tape. I am still hoping that Mary has something else up her sleeve. Hmm. We need the smoking gun!

Biden back to 71% likely.

Look at the maps at the start of the page: I think one of the first 4 blue maps is most likely for Biden, but all seem hard. That said, it's like you can ignore the West except for AZ, which is iffy (though he's ahead for now).

The American soldiers who died during WWII are probably spinning in their graves knowing that the Nazi Party has taken over the country.

The lying asshole is giving a White House briefing as I type. He just called the Atlantic article a “fake”, after a a reporter asked the turd if he owes the military an apology.

We need Generals Kelly and Mattis to speak out and squash this motherfucker’s lie. They were with Trump when he said “soldiers are losers”.

On Memorial Day 2017, Trump visited Arlington's Section 60 with John Kelly. That's where Kelly's son is buried. According to sources with knowledge, Trump, while standing by Robert Kelly's grave, turned directly to his father and said, "I don't get it. What was in it for them?" - Kyle Griffin

Kelly has no soul. If Trump literally insulted his son's sacrifice over his actual grave and said nothing, why would he say something at all?

Racist with no soul. He attacked Rep. Wilson who called out Trump's disgusting call to a widow of one of Trump's failed missions.

R43 - Biden is already on it. Here's a powerful ad with Trump's words.

How are they reporting this story on FreeRepublic, Fox News, etc.?

To me the real story is why did they wait two years before telling us this? Better late than never, I guess...

One hopes there would be audio.

Perhaps there is.

Reminder that Cohen's book drops 9/8, with even more weapon's-grade messiness to come.

I'm guessing Fox News tonight is just going to be a 4-hour loop of Nancy's hair salon video?

Della, this story was all over my local CBS affiliate this am and on CBS this morning as the second story IIRC. NYC area. I think this one has legs. Hopefully the veteran groups get vocal too. There are receipts for all the McCain parts of this story.

He literally tweeted John McCain was a loser and last night claimed he never called McCain a loser. How fucking stupid are his supporters or just downright evil, but don't have the money or power to be him?

He threw a fit because he didn't want to lower the flag for McCain.

HE could not be more of an "elitist" as THEY view elitists (looking down on working people and military people and southern/flyover people) and his supporters ignore it all only because he's a prejudiced pile of steaming shit like them.

r56, someone I follow on Twitter mentioned arguments about WWI, about how many soldiers died because the generals didn't care about them. I haven't run across this yet myself.

And that, R60, tells you all you need to know about him and his supporters.

R49, there probably is, it's just in the same vault as the Apprentice and pee pee tapes. Trump has a lot of people protecting him.

At first I thought this story was an older one that was just being recycled. But yep, it's new as of yesterday.

I was exhausted already in 2017. Now I am beyond exhausted, disgusted, and frustrated that more people still cannot see what a vile pig he is. I am almost at a point of apathy ... but still not so apathetic that I can't cast my vote to get this piece of shit out of the White House.

trump HAS to go away

It’s a good day to take a hot steaming pile of shit on Trump. The majors are rightfully all over trump’s shit right now, to include the phoney-false-fuckers at Fox.

Good times. This story needs to be repeated every day until Election Day. I’m waiting for Mattis and Kelly to drive the final nail into this disrespectful, traitor-in-chief’s coffin.

[quote] How are they reporting this story on FreeRepublic, Fox News, etc.?

Someone posted it in Freeperville, it was quickly deleted.

I've been seeing these jokes about fake twitter accounts; tonight I saw them up close. Dozens and dozens and *dozens* of idiots posting "Why I come from a military family and thank Mr. president every day for supporting our troops"! The most blatantly obvious astroturf horseshit.

"Republicans support the troops!" is the biggest lie most Americans believe.

Exactly, R269. I wish this scandal would destroy that lie once and for all, not only where it comes to Trump but the entire Rethug party in general. None of them give two shits about those troops and never have. It's one of the biggest lies in American politics and always has been.

CNN reporting that a senior administration official confirms that Trump referred to fallen U.S. service members in crude and derogatory terms during a 2018 trip. (Sorry, can't post a link at the moment.)

I believe you're referring to this.

Or this, rather.

cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/trump-marines-cemetery-france/index.html

One more time.

cnn.com/2020/09/05/politics/trump-marines-cemetery-france/index.html

Take out the dashes in "trump" and "index"

Here, use CNN's twitter to post

I've never seen Trumpistas so concerned over anonymous journalist sources before.

Meanwhile, they believe all of the non-existent "people" Trump always brings up who've said this or that. Have they ever demanded to meet those investigators who went to Hawaii and found unbelievable things about Obama? No, they haven't.

Again, the fucking projection with these insects who worship that pile of shit.

R70, I trust you mean the current crop, as past Republicans have been concerned with the well-being of our armed forces.

Bullshit, R79.

John Kerry and Max Cleland come to mind.

Oh, and the chickenhawk neocons -almost all of whom never served- who knew Iraq posed no threat and they used 9/11 and attempted to connect Saddam to OBL which was fucking preposterous to anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of the region.

Troops are expendable to the MIC.

"Anonymous sources are bullshit" said John Barron

The same investigators I hired to go to HI are now finding unbelievable things about these "anonymous" sources. Believe me.

^ lol

I’m kind of not following the news this week. Is this becoming a huge thing with legs?

r85, yes, it's a big story

W H E R E

T H E

F U C K

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G E N E R A L

K E L L Y !

He heard trump say it. And fuck this bullshit that the military doesn’t comment on political issues. These are unprecedented times, Kelly. This is what we have on the table, Kelly. Trump is on the table, Kelly. It’s your duty to comment, Kelly.

Spill the tea NOW, Kelly.

R80, Eisenhower was not concerned with the forces? Lincoln? Grant? Theodore Roosevelt? You'll have to work hard to convince me of that.

If Kelly didn't stand up for his dead son at the time and is now making money off of kids being separated at the border, what makes you think he has a soul now?

R88, you made it sound as though the lack of concern only started with the "current crop" of GOP, ie., those under Trump. I was making the point that this has been going on for decades. Republicans have not been concerned about troops for quite some time.. John Kerry was literally mocked for his purple heart. Max Cleland -a three time amputee who would disgust Trump- was painted as a traitor by his draft dodger opponent Saxby Chambliss. And the stupid hicks of GA fell for it. They were fine with how a war vet was treated by a chickenshit warmonger who refused his call to serve.

Stop with the “Where’s Kelly?” bullshit.

Kelly doesn’t need to say a word.

In fact, the longer he publicly “respects the confidentiality of WH discussions” by saying nothing, the crazier Orange Julius is becoming.

Trump desperately wants Kelly to say he’s the one so that Trump (and his WH monkeys) have a defined target.

Instead, Trump’s flailing because he’s got nothing but phantoms, suspicions,, and fear as to from where the next shoe will fall.

Is Trump really panicking? Do ordinary voters believe it? I’m wondering how big this is.

If this sticks, it could be Forrest Trump's "47 percent" moment.

R93, what’s that?

[quote] what’s that?

My 81-year old father is talking about it, so yes...people are.

It’s not on the Times homepage anymore.

Horseshit R91. Stop speculating what’s going through Trump’s head, and where he thinks the next shoe will fall. There are already plenty of outspoken, as you say, “defined targets” out there that Trump can go after, to include his precious Fox News who already collaborated the story. Kelly was within 3 feet of the motherfucker when he said it. So spill it, Kelly, and carry out the death blow.

Then let him attack Fox News (along with his other ghosts and shadows).

POTUS calls for firing of Fox reporter who quoted Atlantic article on veterans.

R91 makes a very good point; so long as no one knows the source, he just flails around & accuses everyone. Not only that, but the drip drip of stories for sources about his bad behavior and even Fox is pushing back on his attacks on their reporter

KELLYANNE CONWAY is one of the unnamed sources...

Trump knows who are the sources. The sources know Trump knows who they are.

Both know that if Trump publicly outs them, by doing so, he loses any deniability, and, if not in words than in effect, confirms the truth of what they observed and said to Goldberg.

Trump knows his fat is on the fire.

There's no honor among thieves - the motto of his administration.

The story is not going to have legs unless some evidence is provided. Journalists saying "trust us on this," doesn't carry a lot of weight except to whoever hears what they want to hear.

R102, I also think it must be Kellyanne.

MSNBC, CNN and FOX have all confirmed it. I mean come on when FOX confirms his shit you know he did some really shitty shit.

Glad this came just before a three day weekend. It gets to simmer until Trump says something crazy I distract us again

[quote]The story is not going to have legs unless some evidence is provided.

OK, Donald. Now go away. No one is buying your outing the source game anymore. You tried that with your impeachment remember?

[quote]MSNBC, CNN and FOX have all confirmed it

They confirmed that there were several unnamed sources making the allegation. They didn't confirm that the events actually occurred.

[quote] They didn't confirm that the events actually occurred.

Oh, look. There's a "credibility" troll,

And I didn't directly observe OJ Simpson actually damn near decapitate Nicole Brown Simpson and fatally shred Ron Goldman's body but I didn't need to be there and directly observe it to know he caused their deaths.

r110 seems to be the same type who say things like, when wanting to cast doubt on evidence, "but, that's only circumstantial evidence."

Guess what, "circumstantial", indirect evidence is evidence, and in this instance, that evidence carries plenty of weight - Goldberg's sources are immediate to when Trump spewed his despicable words.

R110 is a Simpleton. The same type that thinking Trumpian cult members logic about not wearing masks, because if you cant see the virus, it's not really there, it must be a hoax.

Good points, Della/r103. Dump can’t really call out the people who were there, as that would confirm he actually said what he said. So he attacks everyone.

R105, there are REPUBLICANS like Sully Sullenberger who have come out and said to get this fucker out of the WH. A lot of people who lean right do believe this because we all know who Trump is, it's just that those people never gave a shit when they weren't the target of his venom...the primary distinction between left and right. "I don't give a shit unless it's about MEEEE."

So now you're seeing vets speak up because even they aren't sacred to Trump.

E. Jean Carroll

BTW, whoever isn't convinced at this point that Trump is a despicable pile of shit who has in fact destroyed the presidency with his corruption, was never going to be convinced.

And again, maybe you need reminding: Trump sues EVERYONE. His lawyers are constantly in court because he's always been a litigious motherfucker - including over releasing his taxes. If this is libel, he could sue. He. Won't.

We already have fucking proof of him shitting on vets. How stupid must you be to think THIS was beyond the pale knowing everything about this odious shithead?

E. Jean Carroll should've added: "And, finally, FLOTUS, there's $50 in it for you if you can pronounce 25% of the words in your tweet."

What r116 said. Trump is looting the US Treasury, too.

David Farenthold, the Pulitzer Prize winning journalist has documented how much Trump Hotels have billed us, the taxpayers, to lodge his Secret Service detail. The point is, that just what we know of. It boggles my mind how many purchase orders, travel, skimming that have been signed off on that we don't know of.

And, of course, the Trump Griftocracy is aided by a DOJ and US Senate, that, if they were there when Obama was the POTUS, would have dragged his black ass out of the WH if he had even breathed about one millionth of what Trump actually has ripped-off.

Jeffrey Goldberg, editor-in-chief of The Atlantic, said his magazine's story about Trump calling Americans who died in battle "losers" and "suckers," was just the tip of the iceberg.

"I would fully expect more reporting to come out about this and more confirmation and new pieces of information in the coming days and weeks," Goldberg told CNN's Chief Media Correspondent Brian Stelter on "Reliable Sources" Sunday. "We have a responsibility and we're going to do it regardless of what he says."

Please god re r119.

DELICIOUS, R119!

Let me explain something to the white racist idiots who think Trump looks out for them: The only color that really matters to him is GREEN...or whatever the fuck color rubles come in. If you aren't worth millions of dollars, he has NO use for you and wants nothing to do with you. He doesn't want to look at your missing limbs if you lost them in service, doesn't want to look at you if you're some blue collar worker making less than shit. Get over yourselves and your delusions of grandeur. He does not care about you and never will.

[quote]E. Jean Carroll should've added: "And, finally, FLOTUS, there's $50 in it for you if you can pronounce 25% of the words in your tweet."

I was just going to post something similar. Everyone knows damn well the The First Whore sure didn't compose that Tweet!

That woman is so damn incoherent, she cannot even speak English. There's no way she composes 'her' tweets.

I know these people are shit, but it's not a good look to go after Melania's English (I mean IRL. On here, it's fine), because if a deplorable did that to some non-white person, we'd torch them for it.

Seems like these BLM young 'uns agree with Drumph.

R124, Trump is fine with wars. He considers them losers for not doing something that makes money. It's not because he's some beatnik.

I disagree with the desecration, but it's usually because those types are anti-war.

Don't pretend it comes from the same place. It's like people who go off about Clinton's adultery if someone mentions a Republican adulterer - and they think it's the same. It's not. And unless one is a dolt, they know the difference.

R124, Turning Point USA is a far right organization. Btw, the founder died from the coronavirus virus, yet they still post shit making Covid look like a hoax

Oh God, R126. is that the site run by the weird face-drawn-on-a balloon guy Charlie Kirk?

I can't even look at him. He is so physically-disturbing to look at esp., when you consider someone who looks like that, thinks he is superior.

r127, yep! The guy who "discovered" him is the one who died from the coronavirus

As the truth about what actually happened becomes more apparent, this will backfire just like the riots and looting.

[quote]Seems like these BLM young 'uns agree with Drumph.

It likes you trolling dipshits can't defend his behavior and rely on bargain-basement whataboutism and deflection instead.

Ain't gonna work this time, bitch.

[quote] As the truth about what actually happened becomes more apparent, this will backfire just like the riots and looting.

Too lazy, even for an obvious troll.

[quote]I know these people are shit, but it's not a good look to go after Melania's English (I mean IRL. On here, it's fine), because if a deplorable did that to some non-white person, we'd torch them for it.

Please, give me a fucking break, anyone and everyone is FAIR game in the Dump Administration!

Melanoma has no business calling out others. Her Be Best anti-bullying campaign is an absolute JOKE, she's married to the biggest bully on the planet, well, the most ignorant bully at least. Talk about being absolutely tone-deaf.

R132, just know I'm trying to be magnanimous. I couldn't give less of shit if you have at her, because I hate her anyway.

I'm just trying to "be best"

When the trotted out Melania to tweet that the story wasn’t true, that’s when I knew for sure it was true.

When they trot her out, she's trying to convince us water isn't wet.

In all seriousness, is she supposed to be viewed with some modicum of credibility when her own life is seedy right down to her immigration status?

In all seriousness, is she supposed to be viewed with some modicum of credibility when her own life is seedy right down to her immigration status?

Realistically speaking, who else do they have? No one else has any credibility. I do think Melania has maintained a certain "above the fray" aura (even if that isn't really true), so lacking any other options, get the Vairst Leddy to weigh in...

Everything about her life is fake: her "degree", her face, her body, her "modeling" career, her Einstein visa, her marriage, her friendships, her speeches, her tweets... EVERYTHING.

r137, don't forget her ability to speak 5 languages!

I'm sure she can say "anal is extra" in even more than 5 languages.

Trump claimed he called her from Paris. She was with him in Paris. The lying is off the charts. So is his complete contempt for his own wife.

R110

That is what is so infuriating. Even though these explosive allegations are completely “anon” sourced, and there are multiple named sources that refute them outright, the media isn’t paying attention.

This is not how you win an election.

The people who are refuting the allegations are biased Trump supporters. There are at least 4 other sources backing up The Atlantic's reporting- CNN, Fox, The Washington Post, and AP

All you have to know is that one of Trump's sources is Stephen fucking Miller. Stephen "sleeps upside down" Miller. For fuck sake, they basically just pulled every idiot who blindly defends Trump and just claimed them as a source. They don't even care if the person was there or not, just say "It never happened" is all that is required of a Trump source.

Fucking concern trolls should be taken out and shot like the traitors they are

r124, who says they are BLM? And they are also British so who the FUCK really cares what they think of BLM or Trump? It's not like they have a vote.

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

And don’t forget her “super model” status— she was never a super model.

Didn’t she claim to work for Goldman Sachs?

Melania’s college degree in architecture did not exist and it had to be taken off her official bio

^ ^ ^. more flailing @ R146

But I guess it's OK when a cockroach like Tucker owns the Daily Caller or Rupert Murdoch owns every rag along with FOX or Breitbart or QAN or Sinclair Media owns tons of local news networks.

Again, trying to attack the messenger because the message is fucking true. Coward. Sniveling, corrupt, parasitic coward.

Charlie Kirk is a little racist cunt.

seriously, everyone stop with the little norms and rules. Everyone who knows he's a complete cunt, come forward and state publicly that he is a complete cunt. we already know it, but it would help to hear it from all the people who saw him up close. I mean shit, Noel Casler was some goober who worked on the Apprentice. Can't 4-star generals show at least as much courage as him?

r152, Every honest person in this country knows in their heart that he said those things. Every single person.

Even somewhat dishonest people who are still Trump supporters at least suspect the allegations are true; it's only his crazy Deplorable base that refuse to even consider the possibility.

His Deplorable base are truly his cult.

Worth pointing out again: a reporter mentioned on Twitter about writing an interview for the Atlantic of an internet mogul. The interview mentioned that the guy was eating snow peas throughout the dinner/interview. The Atlantic pulled the article because they had been informed he wasn't eating snow peas, reinstating the article after finding out he was in fact eating edamame.

The Atlantic doesn't put a fucking thing in print unless they have all the receipts.

And now Trump is going after Steve Job's widow because she owns The Atlantic and she gives money to....what for it.....DEMOCRATS!!!!! So therefore the whole Goldberg story is made up lies against him.

I mean seriously, does any real adult on this planet even take him seriously anymore at this point?

"I mean seriously, does any real adult on this planet even take him seriously anymore at this point?"

We do.

re R146 - they really are trying to find any angle to discredit the reports. The Atlantic, Fox News, AP, NBC, Washington Post, NYT - who else?

I want the NYT to come up with new reporting on this, but I suspect they're just going to focus on finding a good "but her emails" for Biden. Because both sides.

He's doing everything but threatening to sue. How come his moron supporters don't wonder why he won't sue?

R159, Trump supporters are in too deep at this point. They have justified every other awful thing he’s done on some basis or another, they can’t admit they were wrong now. Their argument for voting for him is “I don’t care if Trump destroys the country, because if the Democrats win they’ll destroy the country.” They can’t be reasoned with.

Ees juss lockaire room tak!

This is about making it even clearer for those who are in the middle wavering.

You were totally with him on the BIRTHER bullshit, so you just fuck off and die too r161, you BIGOTED BITCH!

While I loathe bill kristol as much as I loathe Trump...

[quote]Donald Trump Jr.: “As we drove past the rows of white grave markers [at Arlington Cemetery], in the gravity of the moment...I also thought of...all the sacrifices we’d have to make—giving up a huge chunk of our business and all international deals.”

Donald Trump Wanted Vets Kicked Off Fifth Avenue

From r164...

[quote]The Atlantic doesn't put a fucking thing in print unless they have all the receipts.

A story marked up by their head fact-checker. Only The New Yorker is as hardcore.

R144

Another example of why Biden has already lost.

You’re insane.

"Why should I feel sorry? It was those loser soldiers who got killed, not me!"

r49- There have been MANY smoking guns. His comments about McCain should've been enough to kill him in 2016 but it didn't. Even if we had VIDEO of Trump saying the military are a bunch of losers, it wouldn't convert a single Trump supporter into a Biden supporter.

You fools, this is not about supporting Drumph. It's about showing what assholes there are on both extremes. Disrespect for those who fought real battles and laid their lives on the line comes from more than just the asshole in the WH.

Here is this a better source? Stop defending the indefensible - it shouldn't matter your politics when you do wrong. Just fucking own your mistakes.

You know I am sure you have google. If you cared about it rather than just wanting to bitch and insult people.

I’ll respect them if they died for Russia. See my financials and you’ll understand why....

And on the other end of the political spectrum, veterans receive the same treatment. Interesting. The little stunt pulled by Harry and Meghan reveal a similar disdain for wounded veteran and soldiers.

Enlist and get kissed off.

Dear Lincoln Project,

Please do an ad comparing the Gettysburg Address with Trump's pronouncements on the fallen.

Thank you.

Harry and Meghan are the other end of the political spectrum from dump?

You are fucked up in the head.

R171/R174 are who ignore is for. Idiots.

R171, random people who spray graffiti aren't the president

BTW, it could have been put there by Boogaloo Boys or other conservatives who wanted to make BLM look bad

r171 and 172 are the same troll

Cher's tweet doesn't mince words.

Trump’s comments on McCain didn’t hurt him because military families despised him.

McCain was a tool.

Fuck off, you Nazi piece of shit

The point is that Trump said those things and Biden would never say those things.

The Republicans who were offended by Trump left a party or became never Trumpers.

There are people who want to vote for Trump but for whom this is the last straw. There really are. Maybe at this point they’re at the margins, but that’s the point of this election.

Like the access Hollywood tape was the last straw?

R186, yes, at the margins. And America loves its military more than its women (this is America we’re talking about), so the potential margin to be won here is greater, especially among men.

Chuck Hagel

Trump’s long history disparaging military service.

CNN and The Hill are blocked.

Trump is on CNN right now 1:50 PM Labor Day.

First line out of his mouth, in response to a reporter’s question was; “never a big fan of McCain blah blah blah; but I gave him the best funeral arrangements blah blah blah”.....

You know? fuck you trump.... speak about the virus, speak about the economy, what’s your plan motherfucker? Forget John McCain!

He’s drifting now into the Russia hoax for the 45th thousandth fucking time..... protesters are throwing soup in to the crowds.... He’s delusional/ delirious.

I can’t.

Senile old bitch. Just resign already. You hate being president. We hate you being president. It's win-win.

[quote]Even though these explosive allegations are completely “anon” sourced, and there are multiple named sources that refute them outright

You're wrong on both counts, R141. The first is that these sources are *not* anonymous to the reporters in question, which means that they know whether the sources are credible and whether they have firsthand knowledge of the events.

Second no sources have "refute[d] them outright." All that has happened is that some in Trump's circle have said that they never heard him say such things. That's a non-denial denial. None of those with firsthand knowledge of the specific incidents, e.g., General Kelly, whose silence is conspicuous, have refuted the stories. Moreover, the stories about Trump's attacks on John McCain are absolutely true and are public knowledge, as is Trump's long history of denigrating those in the military and dismissing their service.

Trump said at his press conference today that friends tell him he's "the most innocent, honorable man to ever hold the office of president."

But then, you have a history of making rather ignorant comments, don't you, R141?

[quote]As the truth about what actually happened becomes more apparent, this will backfire just like the riots and looting.

We already know the truth, so no "backfiring" is going to happen. It may or may not sway any Trump voters but it sure the hell isn't going to backfire, given what we know of Trump. As for the "riots and looting," the protests have been going on for months. So far, they have favored Biden, not Trump, since they are occurring on Trump's watch and since the public trusts Biden more on these issues than they trust Trump.

[quote]Another example of why Biden has already lost.

Right, an anonymous comment on a relatively low-traffic public forum is going to sway the 2020 election. Totally.

[quote]Trump’s comments on McCain didn’t hurt him because military families despised him. McCain was a tool.

This is, of course, completely false.

[quote]Trump will win because of this kind of bullshit.

Uh-huh, right.

[quote]Shutdown has destroyed our economy. Biden is too stupid to grok this truism.

Meanwhile, out here in the real world, Trump has so thoroughly fucked up the response to the pandemic and the economy that it's going to take Biden months, if not years, to repair the damage.

[quote]Dying of starvation because your government shut down every productive sphere is worse.

So you're a drama queen as well as being a fool. Got it.

At least the voices in his head are nice to him, R194.

Fox News reporter Jennifer Griffin, via Twitter:

[quote]Regarding McCain, "The President just hated John McCain. He always asked, 'Why do you see him as a hero?" Two sources confirmed the President did not want flags lowered but others in the White House ordered them at half mast. There was a stand off and then the President relented.

[quote]Regarding Trump's July 4th military parade, during a planning session at the White House after seeing the Bastille Day parade in 2017, the President said regarding the inclusion of "wounded guys" "that's not a good look" "Americans don't like that," source confirms.

[quote]When asked IF the President could have driven to the Aisne-Marne Cemetery, this former official said confidently: "The President drives a lot. The other world leaders drove to the cemeteries. He just didn't want to go.

[quote]President Trump's staff explained he could cancel (his visit to the cemetery), but he was warned, 'They (the press) are going to kill you for this'." The President was mad as a hornet when they did.

[quote]Re: trip to mark 100th anniversary of WW I Source: "The President was not in a good mood. Macron had said something that made him mad about American reliability and the need perhaps for a European army. He questioned why he had to go to two cemeteries. 'Why do I have to do two'?"

[quote]I read the source a few quotes from The Atlantic article. This former Trump admin official said, "The President would say things like that. He doesn't know why people join the military. He would muse, 'Why do they do it'?"

[quote]This former official heard the President say about American veterans: "What's in it for them? They don't make any money." Source: "It was a character flaw of the President. He could not understand why someone would die for their country, not worth it."

[quote]According to one former senior Trump administration official: "When the President spoke about the Vietnam War, he said, 'It was a stupid war. Anyone who went was a sucker'."

And don't forget Trump's description of his own "personal Vietnam." Yeah, total respect for soldiers and those who sacrificed themselves for their country.

[quote]“It’s amazing, I can’t even believe it. I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world, it is a dangerous world out there. It’s like Vietnam, sort of. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave solider,” Trump said in the interview when Howard Stern asked how he handled making sure he wasn’t contracting STDs from the women he was sleeping with.

[quote]The business-mogul-turned-politician elaborated on the fact in the interview, calling women’s vaginas “potential landmines” and saying “there’s some real danger there.”

[quote]Also appearing on Stern’s show in 1993, Trump bragged about his promiscuous lifestyle while single and stated that men who didn’t go to Vietnam didn’t need to feel guilty because dating during the AIDS epidemic in the ’80s was also dangerous.

[quote]“You know, if you’re young, and in this era, and if you have any guilt about not having gone to Vietnam, we have our own Vietnam — it’s called the dating game,” Trump said to Stern in a 1993 interview. “Dating is like being in Vietnam. You’re the equivalent of a soldier going over to Vietnam.”

I kind of respect Jennifer Griffin, Fox News reporter.

I fucking hate McCain. I think he was a warmonger and his daughter is a bigoted cunt. Having said that: You'd have to be a colossal moron to not admire him solely for the fact that as someone from a prestigious military family he declined to be freed early and chose to stay with his men and endure torture.

Unfortunately, he didn't learn from that experience and was one of the worst neocunts who ever lived - but what's worse is being a douchebag draft dodger who never served and also being a neocunt - which Trump absolutely is if you actually paid attention to his FP. He tried to start the fucking war that McCain wanted with Iran. He tried to goad Iran into war - it didn't work and most people saw through the bullshit.

More than Fox News does, R199. They basically sidelined her and ignored her reporting as they covered this story, focusing instead on the White House denials.

[quote]I kind of respect Jennifer Griffin

She might want to go somewhere else. I don't think Faux News will let her continue this kind of reporting.

R194, it's funny how the Trumpsters rail against anonymous sources but take him at his word when he makes these "My friends are saying/people are telling me...." comments

Remember when he said he'd be bringing us a new healthcare plan in two weeks? It has been two weeks

At least it wasn't an anonymous "Sir" comment, R203, which is always, without exception, a lie.

UnAmerican

The reason many Republicans continued to support Trump even after his McCain is not a Hero comment is that they value white supremacy more than positive comments about the military

To be completely fair, fucking Donald Trump was most likely an experience similar to Vietnam combat.

R208, tell me about it

R177 and R178/R179, LOL! showing you how both extremes are assholes is not trolling. They should both be ignored as they don't give a damn about the US or the UK.

That goes for Drumph AND the Marxists wannabes who think everything about the US and the UK is evil. Hate and ignorance is just that - hate and ignorance no matter who does it.

The fact that Trump has no respect for the military is well known. He does get trashed for it. What most people don't realize is that the other extreme element ALSO has no respect not even for WW2 dead and do NOT get trashed for it. People need to be objective and call both out for the same despicable behavior. This is not aboutism - it is about reality and seeing people and movements for what they are. If they want to be the answer then they have to cut out this shit.

That complete healthcare plan must be waiting on that COVID testing website he promised back in March

MEDIAITE: Fox News national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin doubled down on her previous reporting which claimed President Donald Trump disrespected veterans and war dead, adding that Secretary of Treasury Steve Mnuchin was in the room with the president when he disparaged four-star generals.

Griffin reported Mnuchin was at the Tank meeting in the Pentagon on July 20, 2017, when Trump allegedly called four-star generals “losers,” “dopes,” and “babies”– calling his claim to have never heard the president speak that way “patently false.”

“I confirmed with people who were present at the meeting that the president used those exact words in a meeting at the Pentagon,” she said. “I also circled back with my sources this weekend that confirmed that the president did not go, or did not want to go to the Aisne-Marne cemetery in France to honor the American war dead when he could no longer fly by helicopter and that one of the president’s favorite words that he uses when he’s angry is ‘loser.'”

r210, the "Marxists" aren't president. Stop comparing them to Trump

Look, the soldiers are IN LOVE WITH me! If they were homos, they'd be all over me!

Interesting strategy by Dump: basically concedes that the military brass hates him, but the troops (who he thinks love him!) should hate the military brass for getting them into wars when CIVILIAN leadership direct the military.

So now he's not even denying what he said, but claiming that all those mean girls at the military lunch table are just picking on him. I realize this is Dump logic, but still.....

R215, it all comes down to self-pity for him. He’s the only person whose feelings matter.

The Losers in Putin’s shooting gallery love me

Trenchant comment from the other thread:

[quote]Fred Wellman, self-described "former sucker and loser," and senior advisor for veterans affairs for Project Lincoln:

[quote]What kind of a sick President thinks that trying to turn the troops against their own leaders to save himself is okay? But more importantly what kind of servicemember, veteran or supporter really thinks its OK? What is wrong with you? When do you see his hate for our service?

They’re all losers and suckers, unless they kiss my ass and vote for me! Veterans, women, the blacks, you name it! Those dumb hicks that make up my base, wouldn’t be caught dead with them but if they vote for me that’s all that matters!

Gotta love the title of this:

Fear not Trumpistas! Serial liar and DL icon Sarah Huckabee Sanders is coming to Dotard's rescue

I am so sick and tired of assholes who weren't with him 24/7, trying to defend the things he obviously said in front of others who were there when he said it. Huckabee will go to her death being a lying cunt who defends the indefensible and Jesus will spit in her face for using him.

Sarah inherited her mother's mannishness.

Watching HuckaSanders get dragged to Hell on Twitter truly was the high point of my weekend.

Sarah possesses the unique quality of having a personality even uglier than her face. But that's fine- moo away Sarah - you have no credibility anyway!

It's not like sassy Sarah has any room to talk...

The American public can sign up for the new, much better Trump Care at the neighborhood drive-thru 10-minute free Covid testing site. The one down in the CVS or WalMart parking lot. Every negative test gets a coupon for 10% off at MyPillow and a copy of Art of the Deal (purchased by your tax dollars at full retail). Losers who test positive are ineligible for any health care in the US, for life, and should go back to their shit hole countries.

In fairness to Trump's flying monkeys, they're used to "journalists" using no actual sources and just make up shit - like Fauci's lab created Covid solely to hurt Trump and the entire world was in on it. They believed that from Orange America News.

So when actual journalists do their job, the flying monkeys are like those apes in 2001: A Space Odyssey. They start jumping around all confused.

People who support & vote for Trump are losers and suckers.

Isn't Sarah supposed to be in North Korea "taking one for the team"?

I’m gonna die on that hill! You won’t stop me! I know I’m right side of history here!

The only 'history' that Trumpers care about is glorifying The Confederacy in The War of Northern Aggression.

Trump visibly distressed over Atlantic story fallout from claims he disparaged the military

By Kaitlan Collins and Kevin Liptak, CNN

Updated 2:23 PM ET, Tue September 8, 2020

It's at ---- .com/2020/09/08/politics/trump-military-fallout/index.html

[quote]Trump visibly distressed over Atlantic story fallout from claims he disparaged the military

Cry more, bitch.

r232, and trying to bring it back.

Soi disant “liberals” attacking a president for being AntiWar.

Trump would literally have to shoot one of his supporters on Fifth Ave to lose at this point.

Disgusting.

R236, he isn't being antiwar. He's making fun of people in the military.

No, I think he’s managing to lose all by himself, without the help of a victim on 5th Avenue.

points for soi disant. All taken away for supporting the shittiest president in American history.

Fallen Heroes

R239

I’m not supporting His Orangeness.

The reality of suburban shift is my concern.

We don’t need them to vote for Biden, R170, we just need them to lose their nerve to vote for Trump. The entire RNC was to convince voters they weren’t horrible people if they voted for him.

Remains to be seen if it worked. If the polls are any indication, it didn’t. Maybe some folks have a conscience after all.

R236, even in the 1970s when the Vietnam War moratoriums were at their height and the military despised by young baby boomers, only the crazies would go so far as to disparage the fallen.

Sure, returned soldiers from that War usually got a hard time from anti-War types, especially if they were officers or enlisted men as opposed to conscripts, on the basis that they shouldn't have been voluntarily supporting such a slimy war (the US never even declared war on North Vietnam). You could easily get called out for glorifying any war in any way, including commemoration ceremonies. But the actual people who had been killed or severely injured were seen as sad victims of their own country's political delusions, idiocies and cruelties, not as "losers"and "suckers".

The absolute veneration of the military which is characteristic of the US today grew up far more recently, with a big leap forward at the time the Allies of Virtue were trying to convince everyone it was a great idea to attack the Axis of Evil (ie guys who might get in the way of world oil purchasing). As a boomer myself I still find it distasteful, and I find America's overuse of the word "patriotism" a bit nauseating. Even so, criticizing ordinary soldiers who died or were permanently injured wouldn't occur to me, or anyone who wasn't a sociopath.

I mean, a public figure does not make fun of ANYONE who has died, not even an enemy leader.

Soldiers who fight and die are NOT patriots. Athletes who stand during the National Anthem are.

r243, well said

[quote]Soi disant “liberals” attacking a president for being AntiWar.

ROFL.... Oh, you poor thing. Is that really the best take you could come up with response to this latest Trump debacle?

Free clue: we're not "attacking a president for being AntiWar," for two reasons: 1) Trump isn't "AntiWar", and 2) respect for the military and the people serving there is independent of whether one supports any specific war or not.

[quote]Trump would literally have to shoot one of his supporters on Fifth Ave to lose at this point.

See you in November.

[quote]I’m not supporting His Orangeness.

Uh-huh, right. That's why you every post attacks Democrats. See, for example, your prior comments quoted at r195.

[quote]The reality of suburban shift is my concern.

Now if only there were any such "reality," you might have a point. As with everything else you've written on this thread, you're lying.

In related news, we've never had a US president openly attack his current generals.

Be interesting to see how THAT plays out.

200,000 dead is winning

Herman Cain was a sucker

John McCain was a loser

R246

That condescending tone worked so well for HRC in 2016.

The burn, loot and murder crowd have destroyed any chance of Dems winning.

I loathe Trump but Biden is almost as bad as Kamala.

I wouldn’t vote for any of them.

R250 is the type of person who thinks a jaywalker and a drunk driver who just killed a bunch of people are exactly the same level of crime.

It truly is amazing how high the bar must be set for Dems while the bar has no bottom for Reps, and yet an asshole like R250 thinks they're "equal."

R250, you were never voting for Biden or the Dems. You've watched the most repulsive pos become president in 2016 and do nothing but shame this country with his despicable behavior and corruption and ignored it all. FUCK. YOU.

Trump did make time in his European trip to meet with Putin. True story.

[quote]That condescending tone worked so well for HRC in 2016.

LOL.... Oh, you poor thing... Is that really the best you can do? You got caught saying something incredibly stupid that you know you cannot defend, so you come back with that pathetic attack? Free clue: the "condescending tone" of an anonymous poster on an average public forum isn't going to make even a teeny, tiny, iota of difference in the election this year, just as it made absolutely zero difference in 2016.

[quote]The burn, loot and murder crowd have destroyed any chance of Dems winning.

Oh, you poor thing. Is that really the best you could do? The "burn, loot, and murder crowd" have been active for months and Trump's ratings and his chances of winning haven't budged. Has it really escaped your notice that a) that isn't the top issue on voter's minds, b) that the public trust Biden more than they do Trump on this issue, and c) Trump is so busy fucking things up that Biden doesn't have to do shit to win? But hey, you just keep right on being you and I'll just keep on laughing at you.

[quote]I loathe Trump but Biden is almost as bad as Kamala.

Right, which is why you spend all of your time attacking Democrats, because you "loathe Trump." Got it.

I *heart* r253

I keep praying:

Joe just has to not screw-zip his VP pick. Check!

Not screw-up in the debates too badly...TBD.

And keep breathing until Nov 3. I worry the Russians will give him COVID; or pneumonia like they gave Hillary.

r250 must be a Russian troll

Nah, just a garden-variety idiot, R256. Not that it matters; stupid shit is stupid shit no matter who's doing it.

R256

That strategy has worked out so well for you.

When the “opposition“ cannot find a candidate capable of taking out someone as incompetent as Donald, it comes down to incompetence or malfeasance.

This hubris will help him win.

No, R258... voter suppression, election fraud, voter intimidation, propaganda, lies, smears, and fear-mongering will help him win.

Let's be clear about there: There is no LEGITIMATE scenario, with a free and fair election, where Trump wins. Period.

[quote]That strategy has worked out so well for you.

Dear, it's not a "strategy." It's simply calling out an idiot and/or troll for being an idiot and/or troll.

[quote]When the “opposition“ cannot find a candidate capable of taking out someone as incompetent as Donald, it comes down to incompetence or malfeasance.

Since Biden is doing quite well against Trump, since Trump is flailing, since none of the attacks on Biden are working (including your own attacks), since Biden is leading in both the national polls and the swing state polls, since Trump has lost the suburbs, has lost white women, and is doubling down on the racism, I'd say that Biden is doing just fine. When your opponent is self-destructing, the best thing to do is stand back and let him.

[quote]This hubris will help him win.

There is no "hubris" here, other than your inflation of the importance of this forum and the people here. Given your own hilariously inept track record here, you *really* shouldn't be talking about "hubris."

Oh, it figures. R258 is the resident Idiot Libertarian Troll, who has been consistently wrong here for the past 20 years, including his prediction in 2018 that Republicans were going to *gain* seats in the House.