25% of Germany now are migrants/children of migrants

I would love to bounce on some virile Muslim cocks!

MARY!!!!!!!

Destroying their own country to expiate some guilt over something some of their ancestors did? So very stupid.

Oh, please!!! Stop spreading lie on DL like your mother did herpes in the neighborhood, OP!

Where's the lie, R4? It's the latest data as reported by DW.

What a disaster.

Troll thread.

R7 why is it trolling if it’s true?

These migrants will re-invigorate and culturally-enrich Germany.

[quote] These migrants will re-invigorate and culturally-enrich Germany

One rape at a time.

Is this how we want our country to look!? We’d rather have covid for 5 more years.🤡

R11, what does fewer COVID cases have to do with increased migration? The logic of your joke is off.

I'm torn to be honest. I think wealthier nations have an obligation to do what they can to provide refugees safety and security. However, I lived in Stuttgart, Germany for several years and it really was an eye-opening experience. First of all, larger German cities are nearly indistinguishable from Istanbul, especially near train stations. You might see a couple of Germans, but it's mainly MENA and south Asian men.

Secondly, I witnessed several antigay attacks (mainly verbal, a few physical), and someone who appeared to be MENA or south Asian was ALWAYS the agressor.

I really do think Germany and the Scandinavian countries are going to have a difficult few decades as a result of their good intentions.

According to the article, 13% of the 21 million migrants came from Turkey. That is 2.7 million. The vast majority of migrants came from other EU countries. That's why the OP is a troll.

Wait, how is this destroying their country? That argument makes sense for Britain, which seems to have a terrorist attack every five minutes, but nothing bad ever seems to happen due to these people in Germany. What gives?

[quote] The vast majority of migrants came from other EU countries.

You're showing your own prejudices here. Does their being from other EU countries make it less worrying than other places? You don't know the EU very well, do you?

What R13 said. Still too much anti-gay hate going on which turns unto abuse. Do not tolerate homophobia. Teach people right from wrong - and homophobia is wrong.

Unless things have changed, you don't become a German citizen purely by being born in Germany. You have to be the child of German citizens. So in the past, Turkish migrants were not citizens.

Is this still true?

R10 one fag bashing at a time. If you think you can allow troglodytes from the deserts in who have extreme homophobic and sexist views and they won’t change the landscape for the negative you’re insane.

I'm fine with Europe letting in all the migrants want in theory, but I'm not into them imposing the burdens of their colonial/war/wealth guilt onto other countries through rhetoric and the application of UN conventions. Even on the EU level, it's unfortunate that Germany has so much sway in pressuring the rest of the EU to allow in migrants into Italy, Malta, etc. that guilt-burdened German citizens so eagerly scoop up from the Mediterranean.

However, from a selfish perspective, I say to the EU: let the all in. That just means other countries won't have to.

R10 - Dr Mengele's ghost

*them all in

Soon they'll all be voting for the Muslim Party and have Germany turning Islamic. Won't be long now.

The introduction of refugees from the MIddle East and Africa onto the shores of Greece, Italy, Spain, France, and eventually Germany was the result of a despicable, callous, strategy Putin employed to fuel extremist views and racist chaos in Europe. I have nothing but compassion for the refugees. I'm glad they are finding homes.

Putin is counting on racist, Extremist leaders to spread hate and weaken these countries. His invisible hand in the Middle East has been a barrier to peace, and a major force through Iran and Syria in introducing chaos and destruction. he and Assad Ertogan and Netanyahu ought to be executed for War Crimes.

His collaborators like Ertogan, and MBS and Assad, and corrupt greedy bastards like Netanyahu and Trump are all part of his grand strategy. He is the Anti Christ. I hope Merkel and Macron and others continue to be compassionate and to push back against Putin.

R23 it will honestly not be so awful. It will be an adjustment, but Europe will learn to live with it. At least this obnoxious bullshit corporate feminism will end once it happens.

Right wing trolls are really, really stupid.

13% of people in America were born in another country.

People from other countries are SCARY and BAD r26.

This poster says on an American board, which is a nation made up of people who immigrated from elsewhere.

Many have virulently homophobic beliefs that go way beyond disdain, and these beliefs are rooted both culturally and in religion. It’s why many of the offsprings of these immigrant groups carry over some if not all of the homophobia and misogyny. I believe some Scandinavian countries are requiring asylum seeking immigrants to participate in cultural classes that are based upon Scandinavian social values. They even pay them to take these classes. However, how much of the didactic teachings are taken to heart remain to be seen.

The main problem is with religion, specifically when it augments backwards thinking cultures. If people want to denounce the worst aspects of those cultures when they immigrate, then fine. But the problem is that many refuse to do that, citing personal freedom in the free society to which they had fled. The question becomes how much of illiberal and unenlightened beliefs/ behavior can/ should open, liberal societies tolerate?

R23 It certainly wasn't Putin who said "jeder wilkommen". And it certainly isn't Putin threatening to flood Europe with millions of "refugees" every time he's criticized. And Putin certainly wasn't around when the EU formulated and implemented its woefully misguided migrant and human rights policies decades ago.

I was really hoping the EU would becoming a lovely walled garden, so wealthy that it could deindustrialize and depopulate over time and restore some of the lost forests and other biotopes that used to cover Europe. Kind of a lovely wealthy retirement in peace and safety for the entire EU.

Since they chose another direction, for the sake of other countries, I hope they go on a maximalist path towards letting in absolutely everyone in who wants in. I wouldn't really care.

I want both the practical effect of this, as there are would be fewer migrants looking for places to live, and the signaling effect of the consequences: the resulting difficulties will show countries like Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea what happens when they fall for the West's sanctimonious urgings to imitate its migration policies.

[quote] This poster says on an American board, which is a nation made up of people who immigrated from elsewhere.

This is just a lie they tell in the public schools. Before the 1965 immigration act, America had 40 years of almost no immigration. It thrived.

R23, you're being overly-dramatic, however:

There have been a few cases where Muslims with anti-Semitic and conservative Islamic views have gotten involved with Green/far left parties because they know they'll be opened with opened arms (solely based on their race or religion). It isn't until they start rising through the ranks until evidence of their relationships with controversial imams or terrorist sympathizers come to light.

The blood bath will begin as soon as there are more Muslims than Christians. God help us all.

There are many immigrants from ME who want to live in progressive societies. I think these moderate voices need to be speak out more against the illiberal elements of their communities.

Demands for birth citizenship in Italy. From AFP 8/25/20.

[quote] In Italy, legal migrants renew fight to be true citizens

[quote] Inspired by the Black Lives Matter movement, Italy's second generation of immigrants is renewing the fight for automatic citizenship in a land where migration is at the heart of the political debate.

[quote]There are many immigrants from ME who want to live in progressive societies.

Those most audaciously ignorant post yet.

Western "progress" is anathema to people from conservative, tribal societies. They want to live in Western societies for the easier life and equal access.

Gave away the keys to the country. Here, we’re not using this beautiful country.

The 1965 Immigration Act ruined the U.S.

Taking Hard Line, Greece Turns Back Migrants by Abandoning Them at Sea

Many Greeks have grown frustrated as tens of thousands of asylum seekers languished on Greek islands. Now, evidence shows, a new conservative government has a new method of keeping them out.

By Patrick Kingsley and Karam Shoumali

Aug. 14, 2020

RHODES, Greece — The Greek government has secretly expelled more than 1,000 refugees from Europe’s borders in recent months, sailing many of them to the edge of Greek territorial waters and then abandoning them in inflatable and sometimes overburdened life rafts.

Since March, at least 1,072 asylum seekers have been dropped at sea by Greek officials in at least 31 separate expulsions, according to an analysis of evidence by The New York Times from three independent watchdogs, two academic researchers and the Turkish Coast Guard. The Times interviewed survivors from five of those episodes and reviewed photographic or video evidence from all 31.

“It was very inhumane,” said Najma al-Khatib, a 50-year-old Syrian teacher, who says masked Greek officials took her and 22 others, including two babies, under cover of darkness from a detention center on the island of Rhodes on July 26 and abandoned them in a rudderless, motorless life raft before they were rescued by the Turkish Coast Guard.

“I left Syria for fear of bombing — but when this happened, I wished I’d died under a bomb,” she told The Times.

Illegal under international law, the expulsions are the most direct and sustained attempt by a European country to block maritime migration using its own forces since the height of the migration crisis in 2015, when Greece was the main thoroughfare for migrants and refugees seeking to enter Europe.

The Greek government denied any illegality.

“Greek authorities do not engage in clandestine activities,’’ said a government spokesman, Stelios Petsas. “Greece has a proven track record when it comes to observing international law, conventions and protocols. This includes the treatment of refugees and migrants.”

Since 2015, European countries like Greece and Italy have mainly relied on proxies, like the Turkish and Libyan governments, to head off maritime migration. What is different now is that the Greek government is increasingly taking matters into its own hands, watchdog groups and researchers say.

​For example, migrants have been forced onto sometimes leaky life rafts and left to drift at the border between Turkish and Greek waters, while others have been left to drift in their own boats after Greek officials disabled their engines.

“These pushbacks are totally illegal in all their aspects, in international law and in European law,” said Prof. François Crépeau, an expert on international law and a former United Nations special rapporteur on the human rights of migrants.

“It is a human rights and humanitarian disaster,” Professor Crépeau added.

Greeks were once far more understanding of the plight of migrants. But many have grown frustrated and hostile after a half-decade in which other European countries offered Greece only modest assistance as tens of thousands of asylum seekers languished in squalid camps on overburdened Greek islands.

Since the election last year of a new conservative government under Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis, Greece has taken a far harder line against the migrants — often refugees from the war in Syria — who push off Turkish shores for Europe.

The harsher approach comes as tensions have mounted with Turkey, itself burdened with 3.6 million refugees from the Syrian war, far more than any other nation.

Greece believes that Turkey has tried to weaponize the migrants to increase pressure on Europe for aid and assistance in the Syrian War. But it has also added pressure on Greece at a time when the two nations and others spar over contested gas fields in the eastern Mediterranean.

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For several days in late February and early March, the Turkish authorities openly bused thousands of migrants to the Greek land border in a bid to set off a confrontation, leading to the shooting of at least one Syrian refugee and the immediate extrajudicial expulsions of hundreds of migrants who made it to Greek territory.

For years, Greek officials have been accused of intercepting and expelling migrants, on a sporadic and infrequent basis, usually before the migrants manage to land their boats on Greek soil.

But experts say Greece’s behavior during the pandemic has been far more systematic and coordinated. Hundreds of migrants have been denied the right to seek asylum even after they have landed on Greek soil, and they’ve been forbidden to appeal their expulsion through the legal system.

“They’ve seized the moment,” Professor Crépeau said of the Greeks. “The coronavirus has provided a window of opportunity to close national borders to whoever they’ve wanted.”

Emboldened by the lack of sustained criticism from the European Union, where the migration issue has roiled politics, Greece has hardened its approach in the eastern Mediterranean in recent months.

Migrants landing on the Greek islands from Turkey have frequently been forced onto sometimes leaky, inflatable life rafts, dropped at the boundary between Turkish and Greek waters, and left to drift until being spotted and rescued by the Turkish Coast Guard.

“This practice is totally unprecedented in Greece,” said Niamh Keady-Tabbal, a doctoral researcher at the Irish Center for Human Rights, and one of the first to document the phenomenon.

“Greek authorities are now weaponizing rescue equipment to illegally expel asylum seekers in a new, violent and highly visible pattern of pushbacks spanning several Aegean Islands,” Ms. Keady-Tabbal said.

Ms. al-Khatib, who recounted her ordeal for The Times, said she entered Turkey last November with her two sons, 14 and 12, fleeing the advance of the Syrian Army. Her husband, who had entered several weeks earlier, soon died of cancer, Ms. al-Khatib said.

With few prospects in Turkey, the family tried to reach Greece by boat three times this summer, failing once in May because their smuggler did not show up, and a second time in June after being intercepted in Greek waters and towed back to the Turkish sea border, she said.

On their third attempt, on July 23 at around 7 a.m., they landed on the Greek island of Rhodes, Ms. al-Khatib said, an account corroborated by four other passengers interviewed by The Times. They were detained by Greek police officers and taken to a small makeshift detention facility after handing over their identification documents.

Using footage filmed at this site by two passengers, a Times reporter was able to identify the facility’s location beside the island’s main ferry port and visit the camp.

A Coast Guard officer and an official at the island’s mayoralty both said the site falls under the jurisdiction of the Port Police, an arm of the Hellenic Coast Guard.

A Palestinian refugee, living in a disused slaughterhouse beside the camp, confirmed that Ms. al-Khatib had been there, recounting how he had spoken to her through the camp’s fence and bought her tablets to treat her hypertension, which Greek officials had refused to supply her.

On the evening of July 26, Ms. al-Khatib and the other detainees said that police officers had loaded them onto a bus, telling them they were being taken to a camp on another island, and then to Athens.

Instead, masked Greek officials transferred them to two vessels that ferried them out to sea before dropping them on rafts at the Turkish maritime border, she and other survivors said.

Amid choppy waves, the group, which included two babies, was forced to drain the raft using their hands as water slopped over the side, they said.

The group was rescued at 4:30 a.m. by the Turkish Coast Guard, according to a report by the Coast Guard that included a photograph of Ms. al-Khatib as she left the life raft.

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Ms. al-Khatib tried to reach Greece for a fourth time, on Aug. 6, but said her boat was stopped off the island of Lesbos by Greek officials, who removed its fuel and towed it back to Turkish waters.

Some groups of migrants have been transferred to the life rafts even before landing on Greek soil.

On May 13, Amjad Naim, a 24-year-old Palestinian law student, was among a group of 30 migrants intercepted by Greek officials as they approached the shores of Samos, a Greek island close to Turkey.

The migrants were quickly transferred to two small life rafts that began to deflate under the weight of so many people, Mr. Naim said. Transferred to two other rafts, they were then towed back toward Turkey.

Videos captured by Mr. Naim on his phone show the two rafts being tugged across the sea by a large white vessel. Footage subsequently published by the Turkish Coast Guard shows the same two rafts being rescued by Turkish officials later in the day.

Migrants have also been left to drift in the boats they arrived on, after Greek officials disabled their engines, survivors and researchers say. And on at least two occasions, migrants have been abandoned on Ciplak, an uninhabited island within Turkish waters, instead of being placed on life rafts.

“Eventually the Turkish Coast Guard came to fetch us,” said one Palestinian survivor who was among a group abandoned on Ciplak in early July, and who sent videos of their time on the island. A report from the Turkish Coast Guard corroborated his account.

In parallel, several rights organizations, including Human Rights Watch, have documented how the Greek authorities have rounded up migrants living legally in Greece and secretly expelled them without legal recourse across the Evros River, which divides mainland Greece from Turkey.

Feras Fattouh, a 30-year-old Syrian X-ray technician, said he was arrested by the Greek police on July 24 in Igoumenitsa, a port in western Greece. Mr. Fattouh had been living legally in Greece since November 2019 with his wife and son, and showed The Times documents to prove it.

But after being detained by the police in Igoumenitsa, Mr. Fattouh said, he was robbed and driven about 400 miles east to the Turkish border, before being secretly put on a dinghy with 18 others and sent across the river to Turkey. His wife and son remain in Greece.

“Syrians are suffering in Turkey,” Mr. Fattouh said. “We’re suffering in Greece. Where are we supposed to go?”

Ylva Johansson, who oversees migration policy at the European Commission, the civil service for the European Union, said she was concerned by the accusations but had no power to investigate them.

“We cannot protect our European border by violating European values and by breaching people’s rights,” Ms. Johansson said in an email. “Border control can and must go hand in hand with respect for fundamental rights.”

Patrick Kingsley reported from Rhodes, Greece, and Karam Shoumali from Berlin.

Migrants come for financial reasons (either jobs or benefits), not because the dream of a progressive society. Nothing wrong with that motivation but don’t fool yourself into believing they embrace Europe’s politics and cultural values. They dream of a life with more money and less strife.

When I was in Germany, I took introductory language courses and they really illustrated the challenge Germany is facing:

The immigrants from other EU countries, the Balkans, the Americas, Africans (with a Christian background) and east Asians were generally well-educated and shared similar interests. They took notes, yearned to understand the nuances of German, and eagerly sought to participate in activities outside of class.

The Middle Easterners, meanwhile, had the worst fucking attitudes. They barely paid attention, and wanted to argue whenever the GERMAN instructor tried to teach them GERMAN. To make matters worse, about half of them were illiterate; so while they could sometimes pick up the language through conversations, they would often fail their proficiency exams (which wasn't a big deal because they were still allowed to advance). What made their behavior particularly frustrating is that they often didn't participate in social activities. The Turks would, and a Christian Iranian did, but the Middle Easterners didn't even try to assimilate on any level.

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Right-wing trolls having a party on this thread. Oh no, the big scary Muslims are going to wipe us out!

R37 There are people who leave their native hell holes to live in the West. They’re educated and professionals, most are not from rural areas of their native countries. Believe it or not many who flee to the West do so because they find their own cultures to be stifling. Despite of this, I think many liberal and Western-friendly ME immigrants either condone or disregard the crazy elements of their communities. That’s what I meant by the educated, tolerant members of these communities becoming more outspoken against 13th century thinking within their own communities.

R46 The "professionals" legally immigrated decades ago. And the operative word is LEGALLY. They left because they were minorities and had enough of being oppressed by the majority. Those leaving in the last 30 years are leaving failed, overcrowded societies where the extent of daily struggle depends on family/clan/sect and bribes. They are not interested in Western values, as evidenced by the terror, attacks and on-going open conflict with the societies in which they live.

R45, please block me. TIA.

GermanGayGuy, how is the sex? Any pics you could post as idealized examples of the type you're enjoying?

GermanGayGuy is a virgin, R49. He's said so many times.

This one is quite hot!

No, he's not, GGG!

R52 Why?! He is a hot American alpha bro from Nebraska or Iowa!

Hairline, R53.

Now that you mention it, he is wearing a cap in every gym pic. But I don't think it looks too bad. I am pretty sure that guy could pick me up and have his way with me! What do you think R54?

I was told by a German National friend that immigrants in Germany from Egypt and Syria were realty not that big of a problem as most were well educated due to the excellent public schools in Egypt & Syria and were fairly Western mainstream in out look.

Can anyone else comment on this?

r1, these days they're more likely to be viral than virile.

Its been my observation that most countries,while taken aback initially by the flood of migrants,didnt really have a problem with them until the Africans started flooding in . Then it became a "problem" .

R56, I knew a guy from Egypt and I would say he confirmed what your friend said. He was very intelligent and stayed in Germany following graduate school. His only flaw was that he was sooooo creepy when it came to women. During breaks from a class we were taking he would go to the cafeteria to stare at a woman he found attractive. Yet he never seemed to date or make any attempt to talk to women.

Syrians from Damascus tend to be well educated and very progressive in their attitudes, especially if they're Christian. Unfortunately, I met a lot who were just straight up assholes (all male). Although to be fair, a lot of the refugees who arrived in 2015-2016 lied about being from Syria.

Germany needs immigrants to stay competitive: economist

Economist Herbert Brücker says Germany depends on immigrants. By 2060, the country will need these migrants to stay competitive — and he believes they will contribute to a more diverse and successful society. DW: According to your estimates, the German economy will need 400,000 immigrants each year to remain competitive. Why is that? Herbert Brücker: Since the 1970s, Germany's birth rate has declined quite dramatically. At the same time, average life expectancy has been going up. Without immigration, the potential number of workers in Germany would decline by 40% by 2060. With net immigration of about 400,000 people each year, we can keep this figure just about stable. But by 2060, many more people will have entered retirement — and they'll have to be financed by same the number of workers as today . . .

I know Egypt is in Africa (I am not that stupid) but do Egyptian people considered themselves African or Middle Eastern?

Would love to hear views from an Egyptian DLer.

All the Turkish people I've met have been smart and attractive.

As long as they are integrated and "German" in every day culture there is no problem.

[quote] I am pretty sure that guy could pick me up and have his way with me!

You'r 6'5" and weight over 200 lbs. Not going to happen.

R64 Nooooooo, well but topping in a lying position should be doable?

And these guys lift a lot, so you don't think that 200 pounds is doable?

Germany is the new France for hot muslim cock and tasty cheap late night meals. If I were 30 years younger I would do it all again in Hamburg and Cologne and Berlin, like I did in Paris when I was the whore of Babylon.

R61 Egypt is one of the oldest civilizations and nations in the world. They consider themselves 1) Egyptian than 2) Pan-Arab however you must remember not all Egyptians are Arab nor are they all Muslim. They are EGYPTIAN.

R61 my himbo BIL is a light-skinned Lebanese-Arab who is an Egyptian national. He is insistent that he is “culturally and ethnically African”, when he behaves as typically Saudi as they come (entitlement left and right) and looks almost as pale as me (I’m ghostly Caucasian).

Cultural suicide. Have fun, Western Europe!

[quote] The blood bath will begin as soon as there are more Muslims than Christians.

Wasn’t it Julius Caesar who said, “send a barbarian horde to destroy barbarians”?

I’ll be hiding out in the hills. Someone atheist please smoke-signal me when the dust clears.

Germany is very similar to the US it seems. US has 26% migrants/children of migrants

* US has 44.7 million immigrants (foreign-born individuals) comprised 14 percent of the national population. * 39.4 million people in the United States (12 percent of the country’s population) were native-born Americans who had at least one immigrant parent

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Now that the Americans have voiced their valuable opinions, what do the Germans on this site think? Of course, something a bit more academic than “bouncing on some virile Muslim cock.”

Some of these opinions are quite valuable. They're just not what you want to hear.

R71 Most of Donald Trump's children are "children of migrants"

R 74 you’re assuming I don’t want to hear. It would be nice to have a perspective of people actually living there and seeing this unfold. That’s all.

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I wish you trolls would stay on the same page.

Using dark skinned' migrants as scapegoats is sooooo 2017. According to the latest DJT pablum, Section 8 housing in white suburbs in America, Antifa, BLM and the Deep State are the most destructive forces working against America and Christianity.

Don't you people coordinate your propaganda before you try to disseminate it? 1

What does American Section 8 housing have to do with German migrants, R77?

R9 - Sure. Maybe in another 100 years they won't have to have sandbags and armed guards around their beloved Christmas markets.

Disgusting, pathetic, and sad.

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114 WWs? This thread has more WWs than the “Selena Gomez has her own cooking show” thread?

R31 believe me Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea already know. They arent stupid, and they have been watching Western stupidity for decades and learning from it. Japan especially, they have been extremely smart, they stopped slavishly copying the West in the 60's. When we closed all our institutions, they watched what happened..... and they havent closed theirs for the most part

I have family living in Japan. Very interesting country, and we have a great deal to learn from them. Personally I think its about time we swallowed our pride and started copying them

I truly hope you’re right about those three countries, R83. Thanks for the insight.

I've been to Japan and you are just blown away at how civilized it is. Yes, we could learn a lot from them.

This is what happens to political leaders in the EU who disobey Germany re migration.

R83 the narrative in the West is that Japan has been stagnant for 25 years and hit by deflation and we must do all we can to avoid *that* terrible fate. Japan wisely nods along and admits it has a small penis so the West leaves it alone. Japan is the most based country.

I’m impressed by this news site, InfoMigrants. Lots of stories and updates, seemingly objective.

The West is poking around Japan. No surprise it’s the Germans in particular. That intense, corrosive guilt.

This is pretty typical Western coverage of migration in relation to Japan. “Shockingly low” numbers of aslum seekers are granted asylum, demographic time bomb, etc.

Sometimes I think the “Soros thing” is semi- real. I mean the concerted effort by Western media, academia, and supranational bodies ... WTF.

Yea, R90. It's odd.

R90 once you see it, you cannot unsee it. Just the way migration is so dogmatically covered by the media despite western policies having objectively crazy migration policies that no healthy country would come up with. [italic]Somebody[/italic] is pulling the strings to keep this beast going.

Japan is slightly smaller than California geographically, which has fewer than 40 million people, yet Japan's population is 125 million and it has to import about 60 percent of its food. It doesn't seem like a good place to flood with refugees.

[quote]Somebody is pulling the strings to keep this beast going.

That someTHING is the EU. Along with the UN, many of whose members need scapegoats and suckers to absorb the detritus from their overcrowded, dysfunctional regimes.

Ten Syrians take two hours to rape a drugged, teenage fräulein

This is one of the most idiotic threads that I've read on DL in a while. Y'all are some hysterical, pearl-clutching, racist cunts!

[quote] Some 65% of all people with a migrant background came from another European country. Of these, roughly, 7.5 million (35%) people with migrant background came from a fellow EU member state. Asians accounted for 4.6 million people or 22% of all inhabitants with a migrant background. Some 3.2 million (15%) came from the Middle East and just under 1 million people (5%) had roots in Africa. A little over half a million people (3%) came from North, Central and South America and Australia.

How anybody could arrive from these numbers to "Muslim rape gangs have destroyed Germany!" is a mystery to me.

Germany is one of the most stable and secure countries in the world. I've lived in Germany and, believe me, I'd rather live there than in the US any day.

30% of Australians were born overseas. 37% of Australians had both parents born overseas.

So what, OP? What’s your point, as if I didn’t already know? But please enlighten the rest of us.

And then there's reality eh R96?

US is 98% migrants or descendants of migrants.

^ Those hundreds of people's lives were extinguished to appease someone else's philosophy

And how many of these attacks were in Germany, R98? There was a wave in 2016, and that's it. Currently, it's more likely that you are killed by a neo-nazi than by an islamist.

But nice try, you troglodyte troll cunt! LOL

Migrants exploited as modern day slaves in UK.

[quote]it's more likely that you are killed by a neo-nazi than by an islamist.

R101 Or so the German media promoting German migrant policies reports. I'm sure gays and Jews in German would have a completely different story. But Germans are very good at turning a blind eye.

Troll thread. Probably Russian.

This the initial rapist in the Freiburg gang rape.

Named Majd. He is a Kurd from the city of Qamishli.

A Facebook post from two years ago has him posing with a machine gun and boasting that his "heart is iron".

Mutti Merkel ensuring that German migrant policies are positively promoted.

Muslim cock is best. Be best.

Western Europe doesn't want or need these useless people.

R107 I’m sure it’s great, honestly. But what was wrong with getting your doner kebab in turkey and your bratwurst in Germany?

Lies but it works for nazis and dumbasses.

R109 Are you Hitler time jumping? This is tired racism. No one currrssss.

Lies! They’re talking over!!!!!! Omg!!!!!!!

Stfu.

R109 what’s wrong is that it’s none of your business. That’s all there is to it. It’s none of your business where other people live. Let them be.

R113 This is a troll thread. 25%? Lolololol

R113 Says the fascist dictator. Citizens and voters have a right to decide who lives in their country.

R115 Is the gop bit shhhh let’s not say it. Lolololol

[quote]Citizens and voters have a right to decide who lives in their country.

Not according to their governments. Suck it up, losers!

Put r104 on "ignore" and read. Yes he loves muslim dick blah blah blah. CLEARLY is apart of the fetish or is one who obsesses over the fetish. You decide.

The international regime re migration is a product of WW2, created by the US and Europe.

China’s rise will change everything. They’re laser-focused on national interest and not particularly vulnerable to, or concerned with, the opinion of Western media, academia, etc. with regard to migration and asylum. For example, there are African migrants in China. Overnight, they can be sent home if they’re a problem or simply no longer wanted.

China will create the new paradigm largely by example and it’ll transform international norms among nations apart from the US and EU. China is slowly populating UN bureaucracies with its own experts. Step by step...

But I do hope the EU opens its borders as much as possible. It’s a perfect pressure valve for Africa, the Middle East, Anne South Asia. More Mediterranean boat rescues please, guilt-ridden Germans!

Arabs fuck harder and genuinely think the bottom is less than them, so they make perfect partners.

China tailoring international law and co-opting the UN.

Japan is an interesting experiment of homogeneity. In the west, we're all about the benefits of diversity. But Japan is the world's third largest economy and the most homogeneous country.

Western powers have a long history of colonial diplomacy and they will no doubt force Japan to accept immigrants at some point, but it's kind of interesting to watch Japan figure out how to deal with its population shift without bringing in low wage immigrant labour, as is preferred in the west.

R115 Nobody voted for this. The EU and the UN voted, and enacted their policies.

This is from 2015: [quote]EU interior ministers have approved a controversial plan to relocate 120,000 migrants across the continent over the next two years. The BBC's Europe correspondent Chris Morris says it is highly unusual for an issue like this - which involves national sovereignty - to be decided by majority vote rather than unanimous decision.

More about Arab men please. My loins have that warm itch now.

Arabmuscles on Instagram.

R97 I can't tell if you're willfully ignorant or just clueless. Erdogan has openly called for Muslims in Europe to have 5 children per household. He clearly wants to replace the indigenous European population with Muslims.

[quote]"I am calling out to my citizens, my brothers and sisters in Europe,” Erdoğan said at a rally in the Central Anatolian province of Eskişehir on March 17. “Have not just three but five children. The place in which you are living and working is now your homeland and new motherland. Stake a claim to it. Open more businesses, enroll your children in better schools, make your family live in better neighborhoods, drive the best cars, live in the most beautiful houses,” he said. “That’s because you are the future of Europe. It will be the best answer to the vulgarism, antagonism, and injustice made against you.”

GermanGayGuy, google “nude Moroccan hunks”. Just wow!!! Could you take that?

Moroccan men looks somewhat similar to Spanish men. Crazy hotness.

R124 R125 R127 R128 Sounds like you'd enjoy this. Why don't you move to Syria?

[quote]Since the Syrian conflict began in March 2011, men and boys and transgender women have been subjected to rape and other forms of sexual violence by the Syrian government and non-state armed groups, including the extremist armed group Islamic State (also known as ISIS). Heterosexual men and boys are vulnerable to sexual violence in Syria, but men who are gay or bisexual—or perceived to be—and transgender women are particularly at risk.

[quote]This is just a lie they tell in the public schools. Before the 1965 immigration act, America had 40 years of almost no immigration. It thrived.

And before that, we had 50 years where black men could vote and white women could not. American greatness was achieved.

[quote][R97] I can't tell if you're willfully ignorant or just clueless. Erdogan has openly called for Muslims in Europe to have 5 children per household. He clearly wants to replace the indigenous European population with Muslims.

I'd like to replace both with Jews.

Check out this part Arab top, valiumpuma.

Valiumpuma in the shower.

R24 should be shot for calling for a Jewish man to be killed in a thread about Germany, but not before being brutally beaten first.

Once you've had the Jews,

All the others are old news.

R132 Gay sex is punishable by death in Muslim communities. When they become the majority, gay people will be getting thrown off rooftops just like back home. So enjoy it while it lasts, I guess.

Halif Faruk. Very sexy videos on those porn sites.

[quote]Gay sex is punishable by death in Muslim communities. When they become the majority, gay people will be getting thrown off rooftops just like back home. So enjoy it while it lasts, I guess.

I guess? We should be advocating for the death penalty for anti-gay hate speech! We should be advocating violent retaliation for this kind of homophobia!

They're white so they deserve everything bad they get.

Germans and Muslims deserve each other.

R130, no argument from me. I'd repeal the 19th in a heartbeat.

R139 Then prepare for great suffering. You will not be able to escape it any more than anyone else will.

[quote][R130], no argument from me. I'd repeal the 19th in a heartbeat.

I'd get rid of the 13th along with it so the white race can get the punitive slavery it fucking deserves.

Jews are also considered a reflection of hyper whiteness R139

R138 Protest 1,400 years of religious culture? Yeah, not going to happen.

R143 You have to stop thinking along the lines of collective guilt and collective punishment. I can tell you when you get the revenge you dreamed of, it doesn't feel as sweet as you thought it would. The best revenge is living well.

[quote]Jews are also considered a reflection of hyper whiteness by racists who will be systematically eliminated for racism.

Fixed.

[quote][R138] Protest 1,400 years of religious culture? Yeah, not going to happen.

The Hell it isn't. We must fight back by every means necessary even if it means resorting to genocide to stop our own genocide.

Germans and Muslims have the blood of gay people on their hands in addition to the blood of Jews. A plague on both their houses.

Germans. Feh!

Muslims. Feh!

May his memory be a blessing and may those who enforced the laws and customs that keep systemic antisemitism and systemic homophobia alive be destroyed as brutally as possible. There is NO punishment too severe for crimes against Judaism or for crimes against homosexuality. We are all children of the Jewish God.

R151 Judaic supremacist troll, your kindred have struggled for many centuries towards this ultimate aim, but there is something that you and your ancestors failed to foresee: the Information Age, studded with camera lenses and live streamers. You failed. Again.

R148, it's over. The Information Age has let the genie out of the box, and it can't be put back in. Too many people have seen it now.

R152: And it has exposed the inherent evils of all gentile faiths once and for all. The Jews win again.

Jews are inherently superior because we are of color and they are white.

Jews are so white Hitler tried to kill us all.

I don't think you understand, R147.

[quote]"Jews are being targeted, say residents of these communities, by members of non-white ethnic groups who see Jews as symbols of gentrification in their neighborhoods,” writes Ari Feldman. But it’s a community organizer who claims that Jews are seen as “hyper-white”: And while the attacks are targeting Jews, it may be because black people identify Judaism as “a form of almost hyper-whiteness,” according to Mark Winston Griffith, executive director of the Black Movement Center, a not-for-profit group that promotes communal organizing in the black community in Crown Heights. In that regard, Griffith said, the attacks may be an extension of animosity toward white people in general, who drive gentrification in Brooklyn.

Do you really believe that young angry POC men struggling in poverty with knives and guns will care about the finer points of your genetic lineage? All they will see is skin color that is much lighter than theirs is. Colorism is rampant in the black community. They racialize each other, with dark-skinned blacks holding light-skinned blacks in contempt for their perceived whiteness. If light-skinned black people can't catch a break from their community, what makes you think that a Jew will? Europeans are Jewish allies. Who else bank rolls Israel as much as the US does? If the Europeans go extinct, Jews would be the last white-skinned people left. Talk about being a (global) minority...

Then they should be forced to watch [italic]Gimme A Break![/italic] reruns until they convert to Judaism.

Syrian Musclemen George Tanielian and Michel Tanielian don't like non-Syrians.

They had to kill 11 Lebanese men.

R156 Jews have always been the social justice warriors of history, but it's ironic because Judaism is an authoritarian, hierarchical religion that unequivocally excludes uninitiated outsiders that don't have Jewish blood. You're not even considered to be a real Jew if your mother is a gentile. Converted tribespeople are not considered Ashkenazi Jews in Israel, which has one of the stringent and exclusive immigration policies in the world that enthusiastically deports Jews of color while brutalizing Palestinian citizens on a daily basis. And I don't want to get into the passages on pedophilia in the Talmud. It's too sickening to post, even on the DL.

PaleSwineNazis are racist, sexist, antisemitic, and homophobic. They deserve everything they get from Israel for the same reason the KKKonfederacy deserved everything they got from the glorious Union army and the same reaon the Nazis deserved what they got from the brave and heroic Allied forces.

Bigots get bullets.

R161 Time is short.

Die in a holocaust, R162

Fuck PaleSWINE! Am Yisrael Chai!

This thread is veering off the topic of Germany being one-quarter Non-German.

I'm going to hell for laughing at R10

That QMV that pushed that resettlement programme down the EU's throat was a dismal failure. Several countries ignored it and refused to take in any, less than half were actually resettled, and some of those were forced to go to countries they didn't want to go to. Today, Brussels admits it's toothless and dead in the water politically. In September, they plan to take up the migration issue again and see if they can figure out a way to bring in more but in a way their electorates won't notice so much - you know, having asylum and immigration offices offshore in places like Syria and Libya so they can process them there, or bribing poorer EU countries to take them in.

But they know they can't repeat what Merkel tried in 2015. It gave the far right too much traction.

As for Japan: hell you don't need to look that far. The Nordic countries are the poster illustration of the success of small and highly homogeneous cultures.

Now, of course, Sweden stands as the poster illustration for Be Careful What You Wish for, Denmark is closing its doors in every way possible without violating EU treaty conditions, Norway's Progress Party has gained huge traction, and so has the Finn Party in Finland.

They don't want them. The whole Multiculturalism is the Alpha and Omega of All Societies Anywhere In the Known Universe myth is not only being sold by the liberal left, but by the global corporatists who know that fractured societies are easier to exploit, and immigrant economies work against organised labour.

Monsanto and Goldman Sachs and Unilever are as much the perps here as Mutti Merkel and Brussels.

I'm so sad at what's happened to German and Sweden. They're just ruined.

Chronic grievance. It's an angle that's spread from America.

Look at the "we know better" leanings of Swedes: look at how they handled the virus. They had all the means to protect themselves like Taiwan and S. Korea, and did the opposite because "we're so clever that we get the counterintuitive path is actually best; the lazy way is the optimal way."

Arrogant airheads.

Look at this neocolonial BS from S. Korea: two professors, one from Germany and one from France, decrying S. Korea for not opening its doors to Yemeni migrants (overwhelmingly young men by themselves) who were taking advantage of a visa-free regime from Malaysia to go to S. Korea and claim asylum.

Instead of staying in Malaysia, which has the same religion as Yemen. Which didn't buy their asylum BS.

Germany and France. Again, the weird coordination of media, academia, etc. seem like a thing.

[quote]Monsanto and Goldman Sachs and Unilever

They are not sitting in Brussels or Berlin. They are not voting for the EU or in German national or regional elections. And they are certainly not in the political confabs were party policies are formulated based on empty-headed notions of "progress" and "liberalism".

R171 - Of course they aren't in the political confabs. They don't need to be. As for voting: the EU MPs are their proxies.

Monsanto's weed killer "Round-Up" was allowed back on the market in the EU by Brussels after hundreds of scientists protested due to its carcinogenic qualities.

Brussels knew that the VW emissions claims were fraudulent, and turned a blind eye.

The EU is just as corrupt where money is concerned as every and any other government. It isn't even a real country, although it likes to pretend to be.

But when it came to the welfare of EU members' health and Monsanto's money - guess who won?

Even without Monsanto casting a "vote".

Koreans are doomed. So desperate to imitate the West. The comments to the video are absurd. "She's so cute!" and "I'm so sorry my country is so ignorant."

Wrong link. R170.

R172 Which has zip to do with 40 years of misguided EU migrant and human rights policies.

The response to the backlash shouldn’t be to find ways to bring more of them in but find ways that the public won’t notice quite so much. The response, if the countries of Western Europe are still democracies, is to stop bringing them in. Otherwise, western democracy is already over.

119 w/ws and counting in one day on a gay board to this topic. I’d say people are pretty pissed off about this issue.

[quote] Otherwise, western democracy is already over.

R176, given that the default response is to bring more in and hide any crimes committed by them, I'd say Western democracy is over in Germany, etc.

Japan.

Defacto, I'm starting to see vague outlines of what's going on, with the media, academia, and government coordinating this stuff. Do you think many others are waking up, or is that slowing down?

Government formulates policy, the media promotes it, academia inculcates it in the masses. The citizen is reduced to bewildered silence and submission.

R180 short and medium-term, I am not very optimistic. People are waking up, but not enough to combat a 24/7 propaganda machine.

The question that needs to be asked is why Muslim countries are not taking more Muslim refugees? The people would integrate much more quickly as they are all following the same rules of the Quran and Sharia and would not put people of other religions in any danger?

r183 because that isn't the goal.

R180 “oh pls oracle defacto tell us what’s really going on“ ew this is so cringe. Western democracy is not at threat (at least not in the way described here, from migrants). What’s mainly at play in this thread is all the complainers are dissatisfied with their lives and are projecting the responsibility away from themselves onto an easy target. This is compounded by a fear of anything out of the ordinary (“oh no that’s too spicy for me”), intellectual insecurity (“coastal elites”), propaganda (online and mainstream) and a total lack of hobbies or jobs to keep themselves busy. Do you people know any Muslims? Like, in real life? Have you ever had a conversation with a Muslim person? How uninspiring you all are.

R185 the point is that western democracy is at threat. If you cannot control who is allowed to live in your country, is your national government still controlling your country, or is the EU/UN now the de facto government of your country? If citizens keep on saying over and over that they want less migration, and instead they get more, are they really citizens or are they subjects, forced to pay for migrants that they never wanted in the first place and called “racist” for the dubious privilege?

R183, nobody wants the migrants. The Arab countries mostly don’t get along. They just unite against Israel. They could be helping Palestinians but don’t. Plus, the migrants want to go to a country where there’s money. Sure Saudi Arabia has money, but they aren’t interested in them.

"Sorry your countries are shitholes, but it's not our problem. Bye! Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out."

I do not agree with the straight anti-immigrant stance. However, from all I read about the UK, they have serious housing shortage problem and do not seem to be able to do anything about it or want to do anything about it.

[quote]The question that needs to be asked is why Muslim countries are not taking more Muslim refugees?

Some of them practice different sects of Islam, which are not compatible and they're constantly at war with each other.. Saudi Arabia, for example, doesn't want any of them.

R186 you're ridiculous. I don't know if you know how a democracy functions but citizens elect representatives that make decisions on many subjects with their mandate. If citizens feel that mandate is not bing respected they vote them out. This also includes EU representation and lobbying. Therefore democracy is functioning in this instance and if the citizens are that against it they can vote in somebody else. Democracy therefore comes under threat mainly where voter suppression occurs. Or gerrymandering. Hmm I wonder which politicians engage in that sort of behaviour. And I wonder how they feel about migrants.

Or to put your dumb rationale in more obvious terms as to why it's dumb - "I don't want to pay tax - am I a subject or a citizen - WESTERN DEMOCRACY IS @ THREAT!!!"

Out of interest - do you personally know any muslim people (I notice that went unanswered)? As a friend I mean. If not (and I presume not) go out and meet some people. Log off bb - you'll be happier for it.

R191 I think the issue in America is that the American people haven't had enough of a chance to vote on this issue. The only presidential election in my lifetime where immigration was a major issue was 2016, and the side advocating for less immigration won that one. Aside from that? The Democrats and the Republicans have both been too pro-immigration: the Democrats so they can import more voters and the Republicans so their donors can import more cheap labor. Even once Trump was in office, the Republican congress wouldn't pass anything to address his promise of less immigration. BTW -- the documents that were recently leaked from the RNC said that Obama-to-Trump voters were upset that Trump basically passed a standard Republican platform and not the immigration restriction platform that he ran on. So if voters were given a serious choice of politicians who actually intended to follow through and not just stave off a primary challenge, we would absolutely have a government that would respect the wishes of the people and put more immigration restrictions in place. Unfortunately, the American people aren't being given the chance to vote on the issues they want to vote on. If were just a straight up-or-down "more immigration or less" vote, I'm confident that less would win.

In Europe, the issue is a bit more complex. The EU has usurped far more power than it was ever intended to have. As R86 shows, well-meaning politicians who are fully within their right to do what their country elected them to do are now being prosecuted for that, which is absolutely absurd. If a country cannot control its own borders, it's not a democracy under threat, it's a democracy that has [italic]ceased to function[/italic]. So if voters want less immigration, and elect politicians who run on that, and then those politicians are prosecuted for doing what they were elected to do in restricting immigration, your claim that there is no democratic mandate to restrict immigration is not really accurate.

In Germany, Merkel's center-right CDU/CSU lost 65 seats in the last election, and the center-left SPD lost 40 seats. Those two parties stayed in a Grand Coalition, which was unprecedented. Voters expressed huge displeasure with both Merkel and her main opposition, and she still managed to cling to power. If Merkel's party can get 30% of the popular vote and still cling to power after 15 years, voters are increasingly having to choose more extremist options in Germany just to have their voices heard.

R191 I got distracted writing R192 and forgot to mention: Do you really think all of the 119 W/Ws on OP's post (in *one day* on a *gay message board*) are all right wing/Trump supporters? Heck no! There is broad support across the political spectrum in America and Europe for less immigration. Western democracies are no longer functional as this broad popular support is regularly ignored and willfully betrayed.

[quote]There is broad support across the political spectrum in America and Europe for less immigration. Western democracies are no longer functional as this broad popular support is regularly ignored and willfully betrayed.

Exactly.

IMO, there's a small faction here but the are the loudest of course who are pro fetish. This is a gay board and there are few here who support their own death. There, I said it. Cunts.

R195 I'm happy to experience plenty of Muslim dick if I'm in Istanbul! I'm not discriminating against Muslim dick. I just don't see why I need to experience it in Berlin. If I'm in Berlin, I want to get rammed up the ass by some German U-Bahn.

But that's just me.

r196, CHOICES. That's how it should be. A delight!

How to you feel about Russians and Poles? Cause they make up 2 of the top 3 countries emigrating to Germany, r196.

You have a population of people whose entire life is ruled by their Medieval religious beliefs and culturally, their values are diametrically opposite of Western democratic values. They do not assimilate. Their children and even grandchildren do not assimilate into the host culture. From a logical standpoint, it makes no sense to allow large numbers of them into these host countries. East Asians understand that, Westerners do not.

[Quote] How to you feel about Russians and Poles? Cause they make up 2 of the top 3 countries emigrating to Germany

Personally I hate Russians but Poles are fine. They tend to ASSIMILATE but you knew that r198

If ever Russian in NYC and Los Angeles were shipped back to Russia tomorrow, I would be totally fine with that. They are vile. VILE.

R193 yes I think they were all right wing commenters. The general traffic on this site would indicate this is entirely possible (probable?). Re your comment at 192 I don’t know if you know how coalitions function, but coming from the US that’s not surprising. And just because you say something in italics doesn’t mean it’s true. You have no business over who lives in Germany or Turkey and your comments regarding travel are so self involved it reminds of a good comment I overheard made about a deluded American who was going on about his travels in a totally gross way “the only culture you’ll ever pick up is yeast”.

R199 medieval religious beliefs are you talking about Christians or Muslims? You can’t be this stupid it’s not safe for you.

Again I doubt any of you people have had a Muslim friend. If that’s true have a little break from ranting about them online, until you’ve befriended one. And then see if it will change your attitude. I mean this in good faith.

Evangelical Christians are batshit crazy, but they are pariahs to the rest of civilized society. Other Americans frequently call them out on their bullshit. Muslims are not to be criticized, ever. There is no other group who is as coddled. And the power that Fundies have has eroded significantly as the older generations have died off. They do not have the same influence in society as they did decades ago in the Reagan era.

[Quote] yes I think they were all right wing commenters.

You don't know that and you WOULDN'T know that but you knew that, hon.

202/203, CLEARLY you are one. Don't drag us into your bullshit.

R204 as a non-religious gay person, which religion do you think will damage me on a personal level living in any western country (let's use the US as an example). Ok so a Muslim person might say something to me on the street, make a rude comment to me (has not happened yet). A christian person might do the same (has happened). This interpersonal low level abuse is random and unorganized.

Next let's look at organized negative things that can affect me that are controlled by religion. I don't know of any laws in the US that are set to Muslim beliefs or ideals or due to any particular tenets of Islam. I wonder now, even in a democracy supposedly with a separation of church and state, are there any laws established under pressure or due to christianity that will negatively affect me or my family.

Do we need to list them?

All you people on here moaning about the supposed 'threat to democracy' or 'muslim hatred of gays' are so deluded. There will never (ever) be a law established in the US that will damage you that will be set out because of Muslim doctrine. But every morning you wake up there is discrimination towards you and every person in the country on account of Christianity. Get real and see who really is denying you rights.

R205 I didn't say I knew it I said I think that. Are you ok? I even followed up saying it was possible / probable. They both indicate that it's not definite and that it's just opinion based. Read before you post bb.

r208, no, cunt. I'm not playing semantics with you so kindling fuck off! YOU are part of the problem.

R206 I'm atheist. Was raised in a kind of lapsed-catholic family. I have a good friend that is Muslim, we get coffee or go for a walk every so often. Her mum asks how I'm doing and we catch up on what's going on in each others' lives. I reiterate it just go out and meet a Muslim person you'll find it more difficult to be a little bitch about them online I promise. You'll feel better for it. Rage doesn't do you any favours I can feel your forehead lines deepening and it's not cute.

R209 probably for the best that you don't attempt to "play semantics" based on the rest of that mess of a comment.

That's nice, R207, but you're more likely to suffer harm from Islam if you're in Western Europe, and that's where Germany (the subject of this thread) is.

r210, fine. You're into the fetish. That is just a bad, imo. I have no time for people who support an ideology that wants gays dead. End of fucking story. Fuck off!

I've never known a gay person who was all that crazy about Muslims or letting them into the country in large numbers. I don't know who these people on DL are.

r211, coming from a piece of shit like you that's a compliment. Grease fire to you!

An excellent book on this subject is "Slavery, Terrorism and Islam" by Dr. Peter Hammond. He summarizes what happens as Muslim demographics grow:

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life. Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges. When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.. Here's how it works:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0..6% Australia -- Muslim 1.5% Canada -- Muslim 1.9% China -- Muslim 1.8% Italy -- Muslim 1.5% Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2% Germany -- Muslim 3.7% United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7% Spain -- Muslim 4% Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8% Philippines -- 5% Sweden -- Muslim 5% Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3% The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5% Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10% India -- Muslim 13.4% Israel -- Muslim 16% Kenya -- Muslim 10% Russia -- Muslim 15%

R212 false. Same thing again. Occasional interpersonal remarks will never affect you in the same way that centuries worth of leftover Christian anti-gay / anti-women legislation and cultural discrimination will. Never.

But since you mentioned Germany, let’s do a quick calculation (just for fun) of the amount of gay men murdered in the last century by 1) Muslims, and 2) Christians. Only qualification is that they have to have been murdered for being gay. O.....K.......go!

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in: Bosnia -- Muslim 40% Chad -- Muslim 53.1% Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70% Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4% Qatar -- Muslim 77.5% Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83% Egypt -- Muslim 90% Gaza -- Muslim 98.7% Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1% Iran -- Muslim 98% Iraq -- Muslim 97% Jordan -- Muslim 92% Morocco -- Muslim 98.7% Pakistan -- Muslim 97% Palestine -- Muslim 99% Syria -- Muslim 90% Tajikistan -- Muslim 90% Turkey -- Muslim 99.8% United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of peace. Here there's supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100% Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100% Somalia -- Muslim 100% Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

R219 sorry babe we’re not talking about hypothetical fake countries category is modern-current western reality.

Start a Sci-Fi thread tho if u want to.

[quote]But since you mentioned Germany, let’s do a quick calculation (just for fun) of the amount of gay men murdered in the last century by 1) Muslims, and 2) Christians. Only qualification is that they have to have been murdered for being gay. O.....K.......go!

"Let's go back and see.."

Typical tactic to obfuscate. We're talking about the present day, not history. As has already been said, it's not wise to bring in lots of people whose culture and values and entire belief system is diametrically opposed to that of the host country. Again, East Asians understand this but Westerners do not.

r222 did you even read it? It's not hypothetical or science fiction. It's reality.

Go back are read r44's post.

r210 / r211 what sides would you like with your main dish of "Taqiya?"

R223 i think anyone with a shred of intelligence realizes that modern history is the best tool at our disposal to look towards the future. Gays were killed en masse in Germany in modern history by Christians. The topic is religious threats to gays in Germany right? That's what you're talking about? But I understand how hard it must be for you to have to pass a Halal shop and that represents a greater existential threat to you. You and your other anti-Muslim friends here w&w'ing each other from your various troll accounts are on another planet - totally removed from reality.

r227 we're pretty much in tune with the modern world, not your magical thinking world.

[quote]Gays were killed en masse in Germany in modern history by Christians.

And that regime was ended in the biggest war in human history. By other Christian nations. And Germany banned the swastika and anything to do with Nazism.

R255 lol an anecdote from a clearly anti-Muslim person about how Muslim people were supposedly antisocial? That one time he took a 'language course in Germany'. Enthralled.

r229 have you ever been to Germany or France or Britain? That's basically how it is all over. They don't assimilate and are hostile to the host countries. They are not wanted by the majority of the populace but in today's world the people have no say in the matter.

A lot of people on this thread are a bit extremist. No ethnic or racial or religious group are a hivemind. This is life denying and pretends like individuality doesn't exist. Yes, there can be arguments made for all sides on the debate but branding everyone as the same does not really get us anywhere.

R228 "And Germany banned the swastika and anything to do with Nazism." And so homophobia was ended. Just like that! I forgot persecution of gay citizens of western countries by Christians ended in 1945.

Keep moving the goalpost r232.

R230 This is a bit of fallacious reasoning. In order to say this we have to interview every single immigrant/ethnic minority in these countries. There's no denying some of them don't integrate, but in order to say 'they', it would have to be like 95% of them or something.

R230 I've been to all three. Multiple times. I have an EU passport. My Dad actually teaches English to newly arrived people in an EU country, to help them assimilate. He encounters mainly Africans, Eastern Europeans and Arabs. Said they're all great. He encourages their kids to join local sports teams (in the national sport). They all tend to join. They come around the house occasionally, I've met some of them when I get home. All denominations. Nobody attacked me. It's one of the things my Dad enjoys most about his retirement (it's voluntary, he used to be a school prinicpal). He enjoys helping people start their new lives and says that it's encouraging how enthusiastic these people are about their new country. People like you (and others here) shit on these people and their existence so casually, while applying no intellectual rigour to the situation. Desperate stuff. Gay people should be enlightened by their place in the world. This type of commentary is depressing.

It's a huge number. Again, I don't think you're familiar.

[quote]People like you (and others here) shit on these people and their existence so casually, while applying no intellectual rigour to the situation. Desperate stuff. Gay people should be enlightened by their place in the world. This type of commentary is depressing.

You need to get out in the world more.

I think Germany is going to open the floodgates again. For the children.

Please do, EU!

Paul Thomas Watson. Some of his videos are a bit intense, but there’s some good insight. And he’s ok-looking.

Another one from Paul Thomas Watson.

[quote] [R193] yes I think they were all right wing commenters. The general traffic on this site would indicate this is entirely possible (probable?). Re your comment at 192 I don’t know if you know how coalitions function, but coming from the US that’s not surprising. And just because you say something in italics doesn’t mean it’s true. You have no business over who lives in Germany or Turkey and your comments regarding travel are so self involved it reminds of a good comment I overheard made about a deluded American who was going on about his travels in a totally gross way “the only culture you’ll ever pick up is yeast”.

R202 I wouldn't call myself an expert on coalitions, but I think I understand the basic function. But regardless, I think you're making my point for me here. In R191, you said, " Therefore democracy is functioning in this instance and if the citizens are that against it they can vote in somebody else." But as I illustrate in R192, they really can't. They keep trying and it keeps not being allowed by the elites. In 2017, both CDU and SPD voters were not satisfied with the Grand Coalition. When the initial results came back, SPD indicated that they would not continue to be part of a coalition with CDU. And yet 4 years later, the coalition/Merkel is *still* in power despite being rejected by both conservative and liberal voters. Voters tried to reject Merkel and massive migration in the election, and yet the democratic process isn't working for them to do so.

R235 I think it's great to help your fellow man, especially the less fortunate. But with technology, you can also teach someone far away without them coming to actually live and stay in your country. I encourage you to apply some intellectual rigor as well. Think about tragedies that have happened in your life like the ethnic cleansing in Rwanda and Bosnia. Think about the Uyghurs in China being sent to camp to be re-educated/indoctrinated. Such situations were unknown in Western Europe. But they seem to be really common in countries with large ethnic/religious minorities. I just tend to think that if it were possible to have a successful multicultural democracy, we'd already have an example of one and we wouldn't be trying to make it work now for the first time in human history. Do we know something now that civilizations throughout history did not know? Or have we foolishly and arrogantly experimented with our peaceful and prosperous countries, woefully unprepared for how awry this experiment can go?

R242 you don’t understand coalitions. Stop going back to your old comments it’s boring, they’re poorly written. You haven’t illustrated anything other than your being a little (in quantity and I’m going to go ahead and guess also stature) sociopathic. Western Europe has seen ethnic cleansing. This thread is about Germany non? You’re silly on purpose or is it second nature? Or both? You’re a little (repetition) nightmare. I can’t imagine how much of a bore irl.

They have their own region of the world, they don't need to infect the West with their chaos.

R243 So my understanding is that the largest party, lacking an outright majority, has to try to appeal to smaller parties to form a government. What am I not getting?

When in our Democracy were we asked if we wanted uncontrolled mass immigration into our country which has changed the demographics of our society and made us feel like strangers in our own land? I am not a right-wing terrorist, just an ordinary person asking a simple question?

R192 - Nailed it. Cf. the Danes, normally hugely progressive, but when they saw what was happening in Sweden and Germany and Britain and France and Belgium, the voted right and put in people who passed laws that made Denmark far less attractive to migrants.

The AfD in Germany was no one and nothing, with about 7% support, prior to 2015. Merkel's politically suicidal migrant experiment, which eventually got the AfD more than 80 seats in the Bundestag.

These countries know that if they open the doors to the extent the EU and the UN and the far left want them to, their successful cultures, which they enjoy and wish to maintain, will begin to shred and they will be left, like Britain, with a nightmare of identity politics, warring sections of the population, screams to stop singing anthems, take down flags, take down statues, change the words to Christmas carols sung by schoolchildren, segregated communities blossoming, bitter resentment amongst the native populations, rises in crime, and the necessity of enduring endless accusations of racism, bigotry, colonialism (Denmark also had a role in the slave trade; an envoy once approached the Danish government talking about "reparations" and was swiftly shown the door), imperialism, white fragility . . .

Who wants it? None of them.

Merkel's place in history will be defined by her last enormous, horrendous miscalculation.

But r235's dad teaches English to some immigrants and they've been over to his house and shit and everything's always been chill, bro! No worries, the migrant stuff is all cool.

R247 Spot on!!!!!!!!

R249 nailed it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!’nnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!

r247 you summed it up brilliantly. Sovereign European nations have every right to want to preserve their culture and way of life just as any other nation. There is nothing wrong with that. You can't try and save the whole world.

These threads are most useful for weeding out the Nazis.

Thanks, OP!

r252 can't add anything to the conversation so he resorts to name-calling. None of the posters here have written anything that would be in line with the ideology of Nazism. Most of these posts are pretty well-thought out and informative.

BTW, Hitler was quite fond of Arabs and Islam. There was a whole division of the Nazi army made up entirely of Muslims. Hitler got along well with Middle Eastern leaders.

BTW, Hitler was quite fond of Arabs and Islam. There was a whole division of the Nazi army made up entirely of Muslims. Hitler got along well with Middle Eastern leaders.

R251 you summed it up spot on!!!!!!!!!!!!! We all agree with each other and nail it..!!!!!!!!

WE GOT IT, R256! English is your 2nd language. We got it! Now crawl on back to your hole with your fetish.

R256 is just angry that his lover will only fist him with his left hand, r257.

[quote]I would love to bounce on some virile Muslim cocks!

Unfortunately not all muslims are Turkish or Iraqi.

R258 nailed it 😂 R257 spot on. You both summed it up.

If you were the person in charge, what immigration policy would you set? Please be specific!

^^No fats, no femmes.

LOL! r260 / r256 is throwing a tantrum because most don't agree with his bullshit. Poor dear.

Is there anything sadder than a sock puppet high-fiving themselves online?

It's an anonymous board, r264. DUH.

Like I said, R265.

Sad.

R266 the 16 -28 w&w on every uninspired comment are such a dead giveaway too.

R267 Wrong. We checked a while ago, and nobody on DL has any ghosties.

R268 hah that’s a funny thread I must have missed it. So many similar behaviours called out on this thread that occurred here in these comments too.

Yes, r267 because people of your ilk never do the opposite. Riiiiiight.

Is very sad when Mexicans get in your country. Why don't Germany build a wall to keep them out?

Sorry, but this was pretty funny.

Lots of triggered Merkel lovers here.

[quote]Its been my observation that most countries,while taken aback initially by the flood of migrants,didnt really have a problem with them until the Africans started flooding in . Then it became a "problem" .

Check the stats at r4. Out of a population of about 83 million, there are 463,000 people of full or partial sub-Saharan African descent. Hardly a flood. Far fewer than Arabs, Asians and immigrants from other European countries.

[quote]there are 463,000 people of full or partial sub-Saharan African descent. Hardly a flood.

It is when those 463,000 people end up on your doorstep demanding housing, jobs, and health care and are a burden on social services due to the language barrier.

I'm half German and half "immigrant" German, and I find it ridiculous that Americans are looking at Germany with worry. The country functions better than any other country in the world.

Most aren't, r276, just the racists and QAnoners.

[quote]you summed it up spot on!!!!!!!!!!!!! We all agree with each other and nail it..!!!!!!!!

It's shocking that there are still Dataloungers who don't believe there has been an influx of non-regulars and trolls lately.

It wasn't that long ago that someone posting something this inane and incoherent would have been humiliated into oblivion, now no one even seems to notice it.

Apparently Migrants only makeup 20% of the UK and yet they are now trying to stop our National Anthem being played as its Racists and we are all responsible for what our Ancestors did during slavery 200 years ago. Our culture is being attacked and disassembled by 20% of our non-native population and if we question anything that is currently going on we the 80% of the population are all Racist and are Nazis. Something mighty odd going on here!

Even though the discussion here has been far from perfect, it's the first time in 5 years I've ever seen the refugee situation in Germany discussed from multiple angles (online at least). I lived in Germany for several years, until earlier this year. While the stories of no-go zones and rape gangs parading around German villages are false, so are the stories of perfect refugees who give so much more than they take in return.

A lot of migrants and refugees just want a better life. They shopped around for the best deal and Germany provides it. Jobs, social welfare, and an overwhelming desire to atone for past sins...the poorest person in Germany probably lives better than the average person in the countries many refugees and migrants come from. And as soon as Angela Merkel said, "Wir schaffen das" (we can do this), they felt like they had an open invitation.

Umfortunately, people with good intentions insist on downplaying the negative aspects of the past 5 years. So, so, so, many young, aimless men who only want to hang out and do drugs, drink, and harass women. Anti-gay and anti-Semitic attacks are up significantly, as well as robberies and assaults. It all seems like a high cost to pay to a casual observer. However, the sad reality is that Germany will need a constant source of cheap labor for years to come. Make no mistake: While Germany has some of the best labor laws in the world, modern day slavery still exists there, and migrants and refugees are often the victims. They are also exploited by employers in an attempt to keep wages stagnant.

Ultimately, Germany has done a noble thing in taking in so many people with the best of intentions. However, I just witnessed too many times when refugees and migrants brought the same uncivilized bullshit they left to Germany. And many of them are not even grateful. They feel bad about having to beg for crumbs (because really, that's all they get compared to the average German), so they lash out like little children.

All I can say is that I wish Germany the best of luck.

Millionaire artist Banksy is all about the rescue ships. The cool kids get it, I guess.

The West is imploding. Meanwhile...

219 rescued by Banksy.

Banksy is a govt psyop used to influence public opinion. That's why he/she/they is still anonymous.

Oh R278 that was me I was attempting to do a send-up of the trolls that kept patting each other on the back. Wasn’t serious in the slightest.

This would be called racist in America.

If there’s another caravan soon, we’re done for given the election.

Italy without Salvini.

R287 once Biden wins, he’s already stated that “11 million” (more like 25-30 million) will be made citizens. The sad thing is, Trump will also probably pass some sort of amnesty if he is re-elected. The opportunity to build a wall has passed.

An outrage. EU, rescue these people In the millions if you have to.

Just now.

80% of the migrants arriving on those rubber dinghies are able-bodied young men. The liberal papers always print a few heart-wrenching photos of pregnant women and kids, who are in the vast minority of the migrants arriving. And, most off them may look poor, but they are, in fact, the better-off amongst their populations who can get thousands of dollars together to pay the exorbitant fees of the people traffickers.

Poster upthread: "migrants" do not make up 20% of the population of the UK. The foreign-born population is rising rapidly, it is true, but at this point in time, Britain is still about 79% white, the Afro-Caribbean population is still about 4%, and the "Asian" (i.e., Muslim) population about 11%.

Net migration in the UK reached a record high this year, and non-European migration in also hit a record high.

The UK government is coming in for massive criticism for its perceived helplessness and/or unwillingness to get tough enough to stem the demographic monsoon that will, inevitably, as time goes on, reduce what used to be recognised as the hallmarks of its national culture, to, as Bruce Bawer, Douglas Murray, and others warned long ago, artefacts in a museum.

Modernity, like climate change, benefits some and destroys others. These shifts tend to have what is called a "Robin Hood" effect: giving to some, and taking from others.

Many countries in Europe are realising too late that the impact of these demographic shifts are not only entirely benign, in some cases they are lethal to local cultures.

Britain is the poster illustration of the latter eventuality.

Say what you like about Orban in Hungary, but what's keeping him in power is the local population's deep desire NOT to turn into Sweden, Britain, Germany, and France.

^* "are not only NOT entirely benign"

400 in a day.

Europeans deserve it. Hopefully it happens fast enough to act as a warning to smarter people.

Europeans don't deserve it, nobody deserves it.

Keep it coming, Europe!

Amazing photos. Way to burden non-EU Bosnia, Germany!

Bangladeshi migrants at R298. Claiming asylum because everyone knows there's a huge war going on over there.

I want to see a flotilla with a million people, like in that forbidden novel.

Nobody wants or needs these useless people.

(Western) Europeans deserve it because they've been so sanctimonious about it, urging other countries they have no business urging (e.g., Japan, S. Korea) to do the same. They use every argument they can think of, because subconsciously they want other rich countries to suffer as they're suffering:

"demographic time bomb",

"you were refugees once, too",

"obligations to the global needy",

"a multicultural future is inevitable for every country", etc.

Some dummies fall for it (e.g., desperate-for-approval S. Korea, slowly but surely).

I want the EU flooded so badly that they finally acknowledge what they've let happen. What some of them have welcomed.

[quote]I want the EU flooded so badly that they finally acknowledge what they've let happen. What some of them have welcomed.

And what will that accomplish? You know if there's instability and war in Europe the US is going to be a part of it.

It's the EU government who wants this shit, the majority of the people are against it except for a percentage of elites who aren't directly affected by any of it and don't live anywhere near where the migrants and other immigrants are living.

R302, it'd be the ultimate warning to other countries. That's why it needs to happen.

Open the gates! Rev up those rescue ships!

Germany and Austria: alleviating WW2 guilt by destroying themselves.

Sea-Watch, everyone. Donate!

[quote]it'd be the ultimate warning to other countries. That's why it needs to happen.

You do know that Western Europe is not a self-contained entity. What happens there has an impact on the rest of the word, esp. the West, as history has shown us time and time again. Instability and chaos in Europe is in nobody's best interests.

R306, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it: the EU (Germany and the others in the western part of the EU) will do all it can to stall complete collapse, while keeping the door open. In the meantime, Japan, Taiwan et al need a stark warning. Certain countries are already ruined. Others are lifeboats that need to keep everyone else out, or face the same fate as the EU.

I wonder if it will reach a tipping point and mass deportations will begin. People can only be pushed so far.

"They're adjusting well" is the late refrain from the BBC, etc. "Five years later, how are they doing" stories.

Aside from that, Banksy is making a great contribution.

LOL. Keep telling yourself that things are going great, Germany!

GermanGayGuy, are you partaking yet?

Moroccan, GermanGayGuy.

I guess as a gay man I'm concerned about being taken over by Islam. But when you see individual stories about these people's plights... People so thankful to be in someplace like Sweden, where they now have a job and a place to live, far away from the shithole country they were unfortunate enough to be born in.

I feel bad for them. My ancestors were Caucasian and assimmilated faster when they got off the boat way back when. Let's stop thinking about people en masse.

Abs Abdelkader, everyone. I think he's Moroccan.

Abdel is his first name

R259, more info please about Turks and Iraqis, and how do you know?

We don't need pictures, thanks. Start another thread.

Please kindly fuck off, R317. And block me. TIA!

Oooh look at all these hot Arabs! Ooooh they're so HOT I'll post dozens of pics because I'm an Aspie loser!

r317, R318 IS THE OP. WHY SHE'S TRYING TO THROW THE TOPIC OFF WITH HER PHOTOS IS RIDICULOUS BUT I GUESS SHE THINKS IT'S HER THREAD.

R320 is unstable and triggered!

No r321/OP, just calling you out. That's all. Your behavior is bizarre.

R322, you're low-IQ: that's why you find what you don't understand (which is a lot) "bizarre".

r323/OP, purposely trying to change the subject {that you started} with photos out of context is bizarre and bipolar but you knew that, hon.

Oh, can't see the angles, R324? That's ok: it's just your IQ at play!

And it's "Sure, Jan."—not "Nice try, Jan." Precision of language matters! Try harder next time—you can do it!

[Quote] "Sure, Jan."—not "Nice try, Jan."

There's a "Nice try, Jan"gif. It's been used here many many times, dear. Look it up, hon.

You have to be careful at the train stations, that's where a lot of the young men congregate.

R326, the quote is "Sure, Jan." Marsha never said "Nice try, Jan."

If you're quoting, you're quoting the character - not a random GIF title. Hard to understand, I know, for someone like you.

IQ can't be changed, but you could put a bit of effort into it! Even that silly excuse for your mistake - sad!

Also, R326, it's "Kisses, you bipolar mental case!"

Some community colleges offer remedial English writing classes: check them out!

R326, W&W'ing your own, sad posts doesn't make them any better.

Here you go bipolar mental case/OP.

R294 to put some perspective to these numbers, by the first week of August of this year there had been 4,100 (approx) migrants to UK that arrived in boats. By the same time there had been around 425,000 live births. This is less than 1% of new arrivals to UK based on births in society. 🙄

the W&W patterns over the last 20 or so comments are really something.

Still going on about it r333/hon? Now run along to your fetish, dear.

Put r333/troll on "ignore" and 1/2 the thread disappears.

R334 Im not the one with 9-15 bot accounts w&w'ing my own comments and refresh / refresh / refreshing. There's also something awkward about the way you phrase things ("R333/hon"(??)). What I'm saying is you're projecting your own troll-ism onto me. You're the troll. I'm sure you'll want to say something back and misuse the word 'fetish' again but maybe don't bother.

Keep giving to the rescue NGOs. Keep Europe open.

Oh poor dear, r333. You're the one who bumped this thread up at r332 from last Thursday to say absolutely nothing. Who's trolling, dear? People like you and your ilk are the only ones crying and moaning about the w&w but you're also the same who abuse the ff. Hmm, interesting? Btw, I have one account. Always have. Fetish has been used "that way" for at least ten years now. I'm sure you don't remember. No one but a prissy school marm cares about how posts are written here. It's the fucking DL, hon. We get the idea of what people mean. We don't need to do what you do because that's all you got. This is a gay board and from what I've read over the decades your opinion is not what most of us believe because it could be dangerous for gays. You'll most likely get a huge push back and by the looks of it you have. Carry on with your self righteous purity test. Many here will mock or ignore you. I'll keep on using words the way I want because it bothers you so much! I love you.

If you cannot say what you want the way you want to then what is the purpose of the DataLounge?

R336 Keep Europe "open"? For millions of people, Europe is home. So bizarre to speak of it like it's some kind of bloody 24 hour a day McDonald's restaurant.

Can someone tell me where the bloody FFs and WWs and strikeouts have gone?

Big vote in Switzerland today.

Germany, innovating new ways to burden neighbors.

How many of those were Turks though that had been there for decades and were denied citizenship until only recently?

Germany's naturalization laws were straight-up Nazi until only a few years ago.

The elephant in the room is that these people are fleeing from bombs and weapons that Germany happily sells to Saudi Arabia who then sell them to whoever they want.

But I get it, politicians don't want to get killed so... no one dares stick up to the weapons industry.

The polls for the Swiss vote predict a big loss for the anti-free movement vote. The Swiss are nothing it not practical and trade with the EU is probably more important.

And, by the way, the Swiss already voted in quotas on workers from the EU. The SVP thinks the bill was "too weak".

Too much money and trade at stake for the Swiss: look for a healthy NO vote for the win.

What a mess.

As I predicted, the Swiss rejected by two-thirds the SVP's attempt to cancel completely the "free movement" agreement with the EU, of which Switzerland is not a member, but with which Switzerland has many bilateral agreements-the EU is the country's major trading partner.

Switzerland already has quotas on how many EU workers can come in.

People walk, but money talks.

R345 R346

Wow so surprising.

R349 It is ridiculous that ANY migration is occurring while countries are locked down.

Honestly I adore immigrants from many countries but I just don’t feel like Muslims belong in western countries. I have personally been a victim of their homophobia and have seen the way they treat women too. We have nothing in common with them let the wealthy Arab nations take them.

The wealthy Arab nations don't want them. The West is being played for suckers.

Agreed r352 they need to take care of their people and we need to take care of ours. People in North America don’t even have clean drinking water and we’re worried about bringing more people in?

R353 But my ancestors immigrated from somewhere to someone at some point hundreds or thousands of years ago so we're obligated to take all immigrants from anywhere for all eternity!!!!1111

OP those 129 WWs weren’t enough to keep you from getting grayed out.

Take your brand of crazy somewhere else because we are not buying it.

Eager beavers.

R354 - yes, that's the logic. Hence, it makes perfect sense for Helsinki now to be full of Somalis.

You know this is just the cycle of history. Over the ages, ever since men existed, migration patterns, because of want of food, or war, or pandemics, weather, etc. local catastrophic events, people have migrated, assimilated and eventually replaced on version of civilization with another. Where are the Minoans? The Etruscans? Vanished.

The peoples who inhabit certain geography today are nothing like the people who inhabited that same terrain a thousand years ago...or more. Celts, Angles, Saxons Normans, Norseman, Romans, Greeks, Macedonians, Turks, Persians, etc., etc., etc. Vast advanced civilizations inhabited African. Egyptians, Phoenicians, etc. The tides of history are against those who resist.

Having said that. It is a well known fact that Russia always had an interest in destabilizing the Middle East amidst the Cold War. More than any single American, no one was a bigger thorn in their side than Jimmy Carter who took them on mano a mano. He humiliated them in Afghanistan, boycotted the Olympics, and the Camp David Accords were a real blow.

Later, Chernobyl ended Gorbachov's "Glastnost" and his thawing relationship with the USA. Yeltsin was someone Clinton could work with, (alcoholic and not too bright, but popular) And Putin, former KGB, former deputy mayor of Moscow in charge of contracts and patronage, moved quickly once the Soviet Union was disbanded to scoop up all the oil, gas. and mineral licenses for himself and his friends.

But he never got over the humiliation of Russia in Afghanistan and accelerated his moves in the Middle east. Destabilizing Syria, war, creating a refugee crisis, then through 3rd parties, inciting and otherwise arranging for the refugees to turn up on the shores of European countries, all while the international Media was covering the humanitarian crisis breathlessly.

At the same time, the anti immigration anti Muslim agitators and Extreme Right all over Europe...and eventually the United States in an effort to weaken, and hopefully disband NATO and allow further encroachment. I am waiting for the confirmation of Russia's involvement in the efforts leading up to our insurrection. Even General McRaven said Putin is dangerous, and the greatest threat we face. He said this a few days ago.

Dang, Muriel deleted a lot of stuff today. Guess I’ll stick to talking about hot guys for a few days.

R356 - Yes, the American news media is covering the new border situation, and even the TIMES has mentioned that this could backfire on Biden as the Republicans push the, "See? We told you he'd simply start letting them all in. He doesn't care that your taxes are paying for all the services they need, or if they have criminal records, or how many kids they have."

And, in fact, from the reports, it does appear that many are being released into the country without being tested for COVID, or before their "asylum" cases have been settled, and despite the fact that everyone knows they may simply go underground rather than risk being denied asylum and deported, and increase the number if illegal migrants in the country.

This has the potential to undermine the Democrats in 2022, by which time the COVID crisis will likely have lessened or gone away, and people begin to be refocussed on other issues: like paying taxes for border security whilst the Biden administration lets in thousands of people who represent extra taxpayer burdens, without proper vetting, and almost all from one broad ethnic group. But not for long: Haitians are heading for that border now, and it's just a matter of time before large swaths of Africans and Middle Easterners, those with the money to do so, start paying traffickers to get them as far as America's southern border.

Good luck in 2022 with that, Mr President - especially if the Senate fails to convict Trump and he is free to run for office again, pulling with him all those Republicans who can see a real culture war fight on their hands over immigration, and Trump's base flocks to the new party and the Democrats manage to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory within two years.

[quote]OP those 129 WWs weren’t enough to keep you from getting grayed out.

LOL