Cognitively, what's the situation with Prince Harry?

It's like, hard, innit?

Don't be absurd. If he had an IQ of 88, he would be barely functional and certainly unable to perform even the basic tasks he used to do for the Queen.

He's decidedly average - someone who would actually need to study for a high school exam to get a B in algebra or geometry or history like in a sitcom, but he's certainly not a vegetable. I don't think you are deemed competent enough to give consent for sex or get married at 88 in many states in the US.

88 might be a bit on the low side.

95, perhaps?

I don't care how fucking stupid he is. I still would, and all of you bitches know you would, too.

Definitely something wrong with him in that department beyond dyslexia.

Not sure, but... he’d be hanging out at his male neighbor’s trailer smoking a joint, knocking back beers, jacking off to pussy porn and getting a freebie bj (“a warm hole is a warm hole”), while his old lady was working the night shift if he hadn’t been born into royalty.

I wonder how much was low IQ an how much was just laziness? You figure when a person grows up in an environment where they have everything done for them from the moment they get up to the moment they go to bed, there's bound to be some arrested development. It's why Hollywood stars are so stupid. Even if they didn't grow up in privilege, when they get it, they lose their ability to function.

I wonder if Harry would be different if he had grown up in a single parent house, where his mother just took to her bed over the divorce and he had to get up every morning and figure out his breakfast and pack a lunch for school?

88 is a low average IQ and I figure that's about right. Maybe 95-ish, but certainly not a triple digit.

Trolling is linked to low iq and sociopaths. Just to inform you I have reported the other thread. Stating we need to rachet up our trolling was very helpful. The ensuing Twitter and Instagram trolling that occurred after this statement of pro Sussex accounts which led to complaints to Twitter, Instagram and the police because of the violent racist and aggressive pack trolling. This isn't gossip. And is fucking insane.

He’s just stupid

I think he has mild to moderate retardation.

Did Diana drink or not eat enough? He looked off as a baby and child.

Dat's da suck job!

I'll have you know he can count up all the way through the double digits, and he can add and subtract, too!

"Prince Harry Learns about Periods."

I used to fancy him but not anymore after he fucked that vicious, nasty cunt.

And what do you base your "estimate" of his I.Q. on O.P.? All the time you've spent chatting with him? Your mutual chess games?

You don't even know that he completed university, yet, know enough about him to estimate his I.Q?

He is lazy and entitled. He never had to work at anything, so he didn’t. He got into Sandhurst (the British Army’s elite officer training academy) on the strength of decidedly poor A Level results, meaning that someone with better results was denied a place. There was also a suggestion that his Art A Level course work submission was “helped” by his tutor.

I think he’s of average intelligence. The problem is that he has been exposed as weak and easily manipulated.

Remember when he knocked those little African boys’ heads together? HAhaha. I just remembered that.

Harry’s dumb the way Andrew is. Extraordinarily bad judgment and doesn’t have the common sense to lay low when he’s in trouble.

"I wonder how much was low IQ an how much was just laziness? "

So do I. Obviously he functions on the dumbass level overall, but it's hard to say how much of that is a lack of brain cells and how much is just being spoiled and lazy. Why learn how to study or complete tasks, when all you have to do is tell someone else to take care of things, and half your mental space is taken up with self-pity and resentment?

I used to think that Meg was clever, but I've learned otherwise. She's ambitious and mean and cunning and smart enough to rise a bit in the world, but once she clawed her way into the big leagues it quickly became apparent that she couldn't play at that level. She's like Cersei Lannister, fairly smart, but not nearly as smart as she thinks she is. And who only looked brilliant at first, because she was being compared to the idiot Ned Stark.

R2

A 70 IQ is the threshold for mental retardation. Even people who are clinically mentally disabled don't have their rights as restricted as you seem to think.

r16 isn't even clued-up enough to know that Sandhurst is not a university...

Young, dumb and full of (my) cum...I wish.

I'm worry about what's ON his head (losing his hair) than what's IN it.

I'm worryING MORE...

Tl;dr.

Fuck off OP. He’s retarded and probable the least inbred of them all. Doesn’t mean he can’t still be dumb as a box of hair.

It should mean you need to realize and reorient new life priorities,

Cunt.

We're all discounting his lifetime of drug usage.

Megs likes to partake as well, so I imagine Tyler's house is well-stocked with the best weed and coke that Charles' money can buy.

He’s dumb.

Average intelligence, but intellectually dull.

Remember that silly rumor ("fake news" before it was a thing) that his mother, Diana, did an 'O' level in hamster care? (Trigger warning: Daily Mirror thread).

Harry suffers from the kind of problem common to people like him: he's confused the extraordinary circumstances of his birth with his innate being.

He's a dull, ordinary bloke for whom the military was a perfect venue. If he hadn't been Harry Windsor, he'd nave probably lived a happy lifetime in the service. Max Hastings was on the money when he said in his Open Letter to Harry and Meghan that once he left the military everyone knew Harry was a train wreck waiting to happen.

Margot Fontane in her autobiography said she learned early in the game that there was a difference between taking your work seriously and taking yourself seriously.

Harry and Meghan are the poster illustration of the latter failing. In this sense, Meghan Markle was the worst thing that could have happened to Harry: she fed him the view of his extraordinariness, only it's something he can't live up to because he just isn't. In her efforts to make them both Haopen, she's set him up for failure.

The same is true for her: the only thing extraordinary about her is who she married and the name he gave her. That's why she never got farther than a d-list actress.

They're like kids dressed up in clothes they found in gran's attic that don't really suit them.

^*Happen

Um, r6, that would also apply to all royals. None of them are rocket scientists. They’re all about as smart as Harry.

R2. You are off by a little. An intellectual disability is an IQ of under 70. Someone with an IQ of 88 is considered a low average IQ and the person would be fully functional, just not very smart. Look at IQ distribution graphs. 34% are between 85 and 100.

Harry's newest speech about how social media is fostering a climate of hate, stating that he and Meghan have been calling the CEOs of large social media companies and advertising bigwigs to urge them to stop and instead turn to fostering a climate of compassion, kindness, inclusivity, and (yes, wait for it . . .) "free speech" is a classic example of how. thanks to Meghan Markle, Harry is going to spend his life consistently missing the target and turning himself into a target for jeers.

Harry doesn't remotely get the irony of this speech, on the eve of publication of a book in which he and his wife sling petty insults at his family, put out a slew of highly questionable statements that tell only half of a story (some of which have already been seen to be lies), and whose PR has consistently leaked nasty stories about his family to the same media he now claims to chastise.

Perhaps Omid Scobie's Twitter account should fall under the same rubring of "fostering" a climate of hate speech as Scobie helps Meghan spread ugly rumours about the BRF, help the Sussexes sustain their lies, and reveal private court filings to the public because Meghan told him to?

How about Celebitchy? Did Harry call up Kaiser and reprove her for allowing her site to become a nearly socipathic hate speech site focussing on Kate Middleton, with posts up so fucking off the wall vicious that you have to wonder how Kaiser isn't embarrassed to have left them up for the world to see?

Or does Kaiserr get a pass because she's putting the kind of hate speech that Harry and Meghan like?

His hypocrisy and the fact that he's transparently only paying lip service to the term "free speech", just the way he did to a "free press" (as long as it says what he likes), is glaring and will get him another round of jeers.

And thus it will go as Harry struggles to fit into the mold his wife demands.

Can you imagine being the billionaire CEO of a social media company getting a call from the unemployed Harry and Meghan, living rent-free in an entertainer's mansion, who are meaningless to the world at large, and who can buy and sell Harry's Dad ten times over, lecturing the CEO on the content of his business?

"What are you gonna do, Mr Windsor: get your Gran to send me to the Tower?"

^*rubric (not rubrings)

My guess is his problems are more emotional than intellectual. Seems to be of normal/slightly below normal intelligence. The trauma he suffered as a kid has certainly stunted his emotional growth. And if you don't have a solid emotional core, it's difficult to focus on school/studies, which certainly didn't help his intellectual growth.

I can't imagine the damage caused by living your entire life--and having it scrutinized in such granular detail--in the public eye. And then to exacerbate it by losing your mom in such tragic/public circumstances.

He didn't choose any of it. Meghan, however, did. She was a mature, sophisticated adult, who seems to have higher than normal intelligence, when she entered his family. No one knows what goes on within a family, but I think it's safe to say that encourage him to distance himself from the only stability (his immediate family and friends) he's ever had has not benefited his emotional health. Instead it caused more intense public scrutiny, rather than less. So if their objective was to lessen the pressure from the toxic media (and they are ghastly), they failed.

Would have been a much smarter play for the them to take a stand before the wedding--opt out of royal duties--turn down titles etc.-- in favor of forging their own path. Other royals have done that successfully. It would have won them respect and given them a strong platform to distance themselves from media scrutiny.

But instead they made a series of unforced errors that have resulted in this mess.

As someone who is not dissimilar to Harry (issues in my childhood prevented the emotional stability needed to focus on school), I've had my share of relationships where I've mistaken a partner's need to control me as love. This "love" almost always takes the form of the partner attempting to sever connections with people who care/worry about me.

Of course, the difference is that I was able to figure out that those types of relationships are disastrous in relative obscurity. And I've had the space to figure myself out and set myself on a healthy path, thank God!

I doubt Harry will be so lucky. Meghan, however, will walk away from this disaster just fine. Say what you will about her, but she's smart and completely invested in her own survival.

Harry is like many actors who are rather average intellectually. The attention they are paid makes them think they are deep thinkers and that their opinions should influence others, when in fact they have few insights and are easily influenced by others. Andrew's interview was a great example of this: he thinks he's smart when in fact he is far from it. It's sad watching Harry's life play out like it is. I only hope that he is happy and not feeling badly that he deserted his nation and his family for his wife's ambitions.

No one on the BRF is smart. Inbred royal bloodlines took care of that a long time ago.

R32 0- The BRF is pretty much like most other families in that regard - the average IQ is about 95 for most of humanity. Was there some expectation that they would produce Nobel Laureates regularly?

They have, though, often been poorly educated given their resources.

The Duke of Gloucester trained as an architect and had to give it up when the older brother died in an accident and Richard had to take over the ducal title.

The Duke of Kent's son, the Earl of St. Andrews, was a notable scholar.

They're just like other families: mostly ordinary. It's not inbreeding, it's circumstance and custom and the fact that their birth leads to silly expectations of who they actually are - which is, really, pretty much like everyone else: fairly stupid.

The Queen Mother wasn't an "in breeder", neither was Diana, neither is Kate Middleton, neither was Antony Armstrong-Jones. Neither were either of the women who married the Dukes of Kent (a nice Home Counties middle-class girl) or Gloucester (a well-educated Danish commoner).

William isn't a raving genius, either: but he's done the smart thing with what he was lucky enough to inherit.

Harry was also given a great deal at birth, but has done really badly with it.

Neither of them probably have IQs much over 100, if that, but one of them was much smarter than the other.

Aside from being average/dim, he's probably depressed and maybe suffers from a personality disorder. His issues were likely exacerbated by a well-meaning Charles who indulged him to the extreme because of his guilt over his mother & fear that Harry is just like her and a brother who is arrogant, aloof and by all reports, has some personality issues of his own.

I think at some point when the dust settles, Harry will be viewed as a tragic figure; someone who tried to make a life for themselves outside of the gilt cage, but ultimately lacked the character, intelligence and skill to make it work.

No mention by Hal about his wife's prolific use of social media for shameless self promotion prior to their engagement (the Tig), nor their Sussex Royal accounts used to wage a war of popularity with the rest of the BRF, or the trademarking of their "brand" to be promoted how?? Oh, via social of course! Some find this celeb-type branding to be as toxic and distasteful as trolling since it's all in the pursuit of individual fame and $$$. Talk abt gross. Personally I go out of my way to never buy celeb brands. Don't want to support this.

Oops... Posted the above on wrong thread. There's so many... Lol

88 is not "barely functional". It is "low average".

Average Black-American IQ is 85.

[quote]I think at some point when the dust settles, Harry will be viewed as a tragic figure; someone who tried to make a life for themselves outside of the gilt cage, but ultimately lacked the character, intelligence and skill to make it work.

Dimwit needs to be brought down from the big pedestal that is in his mind about himself. I don't know if the words "pity" and "Harry" can be strung in the same sentence again. As others have said, he needs to cool off and find his purpose in SA and maybe people might reconsider.

Just give him a cognitive test, see if he can remember the following words, bonus points if he can remember them in order:

Person, dame, bloke, camera, telly

Way too hard, r44. These words stand a better chance of success:

Gulfstream

Concierge

Chauffeur

Portfolio

Inheritance

[quote][R2] A 70 IQ is the threshold for mental retardation. Even people who are clinically mentally disabled don't have their rights as restricted as you seem to think.

R21 - you're quite mistaken. Until recently 71-84 was classed as borderline intellectual functioning. Given the error margin, an 88 would certainly be within the tolerance for someone to have insufficient capacity to engage in a variety of activities. Several Supreme Court cases have also addressed the question of whether there is a bright line drawn at a specific IQ for determining impairment, such as in death penalty cases (though the most famous one Hall v. Florida actually argues the other direction on it).

[quote] In June 2003, Harry completed his education at Eton with two A-Levels,[17] achieving a grade B in art and D in geography, having decided to drop history of art after AS level. He excelled in sports, particularly polo and rugby union. One of Harry's former teachers, Sarah Forsyth, has asserted that Harry was a "weak student" and that staff at Eton conspired to help him cheat on examinations. Both Eton and Harry denied the claims. While a tribunal made no ruling on the cheating claim, it "accepted the prince had received help in preparing his A-level 'expressive' project, which he needed to pass to secure his place at Sandhurst."

Harry did not go to university, as r16 erroneously claims. After Eton he went to Sandhurst to complete officer training: that is in no way the equivalent of a university education.

Harry sadly inherited his mother's brains, but even more sadly not her emotional IQ nor her amazing sense of giving people the responses they wanted from her.

William is more fortunate: he got his father's brains, and while Charles was only a so-so student, he's quite bright. I'm not sure William is a reader, though (very few members of the BRF are).

Colloquially speaking, he is a fucking retard. He doesn’t perceive that Markle speaks and writes contentless gibberish.

R49 made me LOL.

It’s usually the mid-tier people who think they’re the cleverest and poise themselves as experts.

There is definitely something off with the man both in intelligence and emotionally and Diana's obsession with staying skinny in her second pregnancy may have something to do with it. She may have been crazy with William but she looked like a pregnant woman with the extra weight. With Harry she was wearing stuff that my roommate says was way to constricting around the waist and her face was gaunt.

Well OP, one just needs to read the threads he starts here on DL

Neither William nor Harry were stellar students. Both needed help at Eton, and William did not embark on a rigorous course of study at St. Andrew's.

If you look for intelligence or creativity in the British Royal Family, you must look further afield. The Queen's niece Lady Sarah Chato is quite intelligent and is an artist. The Queen's cousin the Duke of Gloucester is no slouch. Their ancestor (not direct) Princess Louise (a daughter of Queen Victoria) was a sculptor (or is it sculptress?),

I don't want to sound cruel but Bea and Louise (Prince Edward's daughter) look kind of "special". I think it's the reverse - we should be looking not for intelligence or lack thereof but of mental challenges in the family to begin with. And drug/alcohol addiction. In Harry's case, he's probably got a combination of issues going on.

He's a coward always hiding behind everyone's skirts, and a nasty prick.

I used to meet the Duke of Gloucester repeatedly (through work) and he has the attention span of a mayfly.

R54 - Lady Louise isn't "special". She was, however, born with an eye problem and underwent several operations for it, and her mother nearly died having her. She's an experienced horsewoman already and shows absolutely no signs of mentally developmental problems, nor does Beatrice.

They're ordinary. People look at them and see "ordinary" as substandard because the glitter that surrounds them gives rise to expectations of exceptionality in all sphers, when they're just dopey ordinary people born into extraordinary surroundgins.

If Bea were developmentally challenged we'd all have known about it by now. She has been interviewed and spoken on the record and appeared at the Queen's side at certain events. She's not terribly pretty, and not terribly bright, but that doesn't make her any more "special" than any secretary you'd find in offices throughout the world.

In point of fact, Lady Louise has shown herself to be unattracted by the glitter, most interested in cultivating her equestrian interests, and shows up dutifully at the holiday church walks looking perfectly normal except for her eye.

". . . In August 2018, Louise accompanied her mother, patron of UK Sail Training, to Haslar Marina in Portsmouth Harbour to meet a group of young girls working towards earning their qualification on an entry-level course of the Royal Yachting Association. In the same month, mother and daughter attended the final of the Hockey Women's World Cup in London. The Countess has a great interest in the sport and is the patron of England Hockey.[14] At the age of 14, Louise was an attendant at the wedding of Princess Eugenie and Jack Brooksbank. To celebrate Louise's 15th birthday in November 2018, mother and daughter made a cameo appearance on Strictly Come Dancing as they watched the popular BBC television show from the audience. Louise accompanied the Countess in attending the International Horse Show at Olympia, London, in December 2018.

Louise is a member of Girlguiding, of which her grandmother is patron and her mother is president.[18] Her mother was a Brownie and a Guide when she was a child.

She was taught to ride at a young age, and joined her father on horseback as part of the Queen's 90th birthday celebrations in Windsor in 2016. She has taken up carriage driving, a sport popularised in Britain by her grandfather, Prince Philip. In May 2017, she was responsible for leading the carriages of the Champagne Laurent-Perrier Meet of the British Driving Society at the Royal Windsor Horse Show."

In May 2019, Louise took part in the Private Driving Singles carriage drive at the Royal Windsor Horse Show and achieved third place."

Saying that people look "special" because they have unattractive eyes says more about you than either of the young women you mentioned.

^*spheres

^*surroundings

One prefers to remember him as he was.

Is 88 that stupid? There are entire countries with that average. With buildings and roads and electricity and doctors and stuff.

The Hanover dynasty are not smart. Hey, they are stupid German cows.. People who met ER's father, George VI, said he was slightly above idiot level. George V and Edward VIII seemed dim as well. The one Harry most resembles is Edward VIII, Duke of Windsor.

The Stuarts as a rule were smart. James I and Charles I wrote books. Henry Stuart the last Pretender was a hardworking and smart Cardinal administer in Rome ( and gay). Look where that got them as a rule. Never a more unfortunate house.

They are suited to their roles, more or less.

History of art? Why not just admit you are a cretin.

The Hanoverians were not stupid and the Stuarts weren't smart - I mean, the basic fact that one line kept the throne and the other lost it, twice, demonstrates something. The Hanoverians were multi-lingual, many of them had wide ranging artistic and scientific interests and married intelligent women like Caroline of Ansbach and Charlotte of Mecklenburg. Of the Stuarts, James I was a gasbag who over-estimated his own intelligence, Charles I a disaster, James II as thick as pig-shit and Queen Anne not exactly the brightest light in the candelabrum. Charles II had a certain basic cunning but was incapable of hard work and next to none of the witticisms attributed to him can be traced back to a decent contemporary source.

The Earl of St Andrews is hardly a noted scholar. He got an MA from Cambridge which you pay £10 for after you get a BA.

r64, Do let us know when you get a 1st or 2nd class B.A. from Cambridge. Those are the conditions required to be eligible for the M.A.

Unless you went to Oxbridge and got a 1st or 2nd in your finals, you are in no position to criticise the Earl of St. Andrews on academic prowess.

He is a red haired, what do you expect? They all smell funny down there, they are not bright and they have huge girlish asses.

90 to 110 for IQ is considered "normal range."

80–89 is considered "low" but normal functioning

Anything below 79 was considered mentally retarded but now they have different labels or rather no labels to avoid stigma.

Stone average. The scary thing is, that's how 'average' generally presents.

Getting a BA from Oxbridge hardly makes you a "noted scholar", Einstein.

It's still a hell of a lot better than any degree you hold, r69. That's plainly obvious. Jealous?

By all accounts from what we know about him and his own public utterances and behavior, Harry is pretty stupid. I’d guess his IQ to be between 88-95. A person could have high IQ and not come across as stupid, there are people like that and while they don’t have careers that are often associated with great intelligence, they possess other traits that give away their innate intelligence.

Harry and most people who hover in the 88-95 IQ range are functional members of society. If Harry wasn’t born royal he’d be Harry the factory worker, married and had kids young, and the type of man whose highlight of the week is hanging out in the pubs with friends of similar circumstances. Nothing wrong or shameful about such existences or lives, but you’re not going to see them lecturing to the world about how we should think and behave either. The latter is what Harry has been doing, and the more he does it the dumber he comes across to us.

"Unless you went to Oxbridge and got a 1st or 2nd in your finals, you are in no position to criticise the Earl of St. Andrews on academic prowess...."

I've always wondered, R65. If some asshole gets a 1st or a 2nd history from an Oxbridge college... how many people are in their class? How many people did they beat out to get that first?

A first is only awarded to .05% of the entire University, at least that was the case 20 years ago. I don't know the present day stats.

Generally speaking, Oxford and Cambridge have among the smallest undergraduate populations of all the top schools in the world.

The IQ trolls really are something else. It's a very outdated system, but then again so is DL.

[quote]If some asshole gets a 1st or a 2nd history from an Oxbridge college... how many people are in their class? How many people did they beat out to get that first?

A "first" or a "second" refers to first-class or second-class honours--it has nothing to do with the number of people in your class but with the grade you achieved. Second-class honours (also written as 2:1) are most common and required by most employers looking for graduates.

Grades at British and Irish universities are generally lower than those in the US: a 72%, for example, would be an A, or first-class honours.

When I was at UCD in Ireland back in 1996 and one of my lecturers (who was English) made some disparaging comment about Diana's limited intelligence to a lecture hall of 150+ students, people gasped and were almost afraid to laugh as it seemed like sacrilege. Far more innocent times. I think this was not long after the "there were three people in that marriage" interview she did with Martin Bashir in 1995.

Harry needs to be called out for being stupid seeing as he’s now egregiously lecturing to the world about important issues and concepts of which he knows nothing or very little. The hypocrisy lies in the fact that he is doing things which are anathematic to the views he espouses publicly.

They are busting open the troll group day by day. Yesterday on LSA a troll linked to a site that used 4 Chan databases as it's reference. That was helpful. Very. Backtracking that link revealed something. A troll stating Meghan was pimped out by her mother Doria who only let her fuck white men. White entrance only I think was the term used. That helped because it breached site policies and was allowed to stay up. And last but not least the admittance by a troll that they want something really bad, so bad they shouldn't be even be thinking it to happen to Meghan. All on the unpopular thread. All comments allowed to stay on site. They stepped over the line this week. And it helped immensely.

his name is henry not harry.

R79 and yet not a single person in his life calls him that.

R56, I stand corrected about Richard, Duke of Gloucester. I assumed he had a modicum of intelligence since he finished a degree in architecture at Magdalene College, Cambridge and went on to obtain an MA.

He was also rather good-looking as a young man.

Is "Magdalene" really pronounced "Maudlin"?

r80

But it's still his real name. He should use it to symbolize his new and real life.

Yes, R82

R56 / R81 that MA is the £10 variety. Oxbridge are churning out BAs by the thousands; it's not a competition so nearly everyone who goes there gets one. After a decent interval you send in £10 and get bumped up to MA.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Basically Charles is siding with Harry against William and William’s family.

I think Charles is siding with Harry - for the inevitable day the divorce lawyers have to be called in.

So long as the income is coming from the family rather than from Harry, she'll have no claim to half of it. Leaves the family a lot of leeway and negotiating space come the split.

I'll bet Fiona Shackleton has been consulted on the quiet and has helped Charles to work out all the contingencies.

What exactly is Chaz funding? The article at R86 refers to their new LA lifestyle. What lifestyle? If they can't pay their own way now, rent-free, how are they going to manage when they take their rightful place in the post-pandemic A-list?

Poor Harry and MM. My thoughts are with them during this transitional period in their lives. They’ve been through so much, poor souls.

I just can't imagine anyone wanting to be lectured by a middle-aged man whose father is still supporting him.

Unfortunately the Fail will never let these two idiots go: they are too good for sales, with their undignified antics.

About the same as those who start these threads.

Sometime back someone posted an article (dated a few years prior to MM coming on the scene) about a test required for everyone entering Sandhurst.

According to this article, the highest grade one could get was a "9". The person interviewed said that a "9" would indicate a genius and that they (Sandhurst) didn't see many who got that grade.

When William took the test, his score was a "7" which was considered a good grade.

When Harry took the test and his score was a "4".

Does anyone else remember this article? It was dated way prior to the most recent Harry events.

r89 I imagine he's paying for whatever security the UK taxpayer isn't paying for, their secretary, their nanny, their cook, their cars and driver, their housekeepers, their food and clothes (remember Meg spent over a million pounds on clothes in her first year with the BRF), any utilities Tyler Perry doesn't want to pay for, and perhaps upkeep on the borrowed house, like gardeners and maintenance workers. Also he'll pay their medical, taxes, insurance and let's not forget their 1st class travel expenses - private jets don't come cheap.

Basically Charles will pay to keep Meghan in the high style to which she has become accustomed so that come the divorce, it cannot be said that Harry was the one doing that, and Meghan will have a much weaker case for massive alimony payments. This way the BRF can force her to accept child maintenance and a lump payment with what I imagine will be a massive number of strings attached.

What does Tyler Perry get?

The regular dispatches from the "the trolls are being investigated; authorities closing in" troll are weirdly entertaining. Our own Louise Mensch/QAnon.

Oh - and how could I forget? Charles is also paying for their LAWYERS too. That alone will rack up at least a million by the end of this year, considering they have three cases (or is it four) going simultaneously right now.

Charles us paying for the lawyers too? Fuck!

R95 I don't think the alimony is the reason here . That should be calculated based on Harry's income (hell , if Meghan makes more money than Harry , she has to pay him ) and he doesn't own anything himself , not Toadhall or any other property , he lives of the income his trusts generate and even if she got her hands on half of the trusts , it would only be around 20 million (if rumours of 40 million are true ) .

Delusional to think they could fund an A-list life. Squatting in Tyler's McM is not a good start.

r100 Meghan will only have access to Harry's trust depending on how the trust is set up, and whether Harry has been drawing on the income from the Trust to support Meghan. If Harry is leaving Charles to pay for everything, Meghan's chances for getting half of Harry's trust money are not guaranteed.

And, I'm not certain about community property law in California, but doesn't that only kick in after ten years?

I imagine the divorce papers are just sitting there casually on the hall table ready to be served on Hal should he ever let it appear he is fed up with the new life ME has arranged in LA-LA.

[quote] I'm not certain about community property law in California, but doesn't that only kick in after ten years?

Is that you Harry?

[R2] An I.Q. of 88 is not “barely functional.” It is especially not so for one who has never had to take care of himself, hold regular employment, pay bills, budget, make his own travel arrangements, manage a household, etc. I’m a social worker who managed cases of people with developmental disabilities. An I.Q. Of 90 is considered in the “average range.” As I recall, Harry needed assistance to pass art.

Harry didn’t “complete university.” He went to Eaton College which is like high school in the US. He needed “help” to complete that.

Wtf, r2?

88 is about the average IQ for African-Americans. Are you saying they're on average "barely functional" and not competent enough to give consent for sex?

[quote] Eaton College

Ha-ha! That's a good one.

There was a bloke called Rees-Mogg, the father of the current nitwit, about whom the Army said when he did his national service, "Able to carry out simple tasks if supervised." I am wondering if Hal is a bit like that.

It's one thing to say that Prince Philip is inbred, or even Prince Charles, who is half Mountbatten and a quarter Windsor (even though he is a quarter Bowes-Lyon). But Harry and William are both half Spencer, which is not an inbred family at all.

[quote] He went to Eaton College which is like high school in the US.

Oh, [italic]dear.[/italic]

R9, you’re hilarious! The police!! This isn’t fucking Great Britain!

It's Eton, like Growton!

[quote] "Unless you went to Oxbridge and got a 1st or 2nd in your finals, you are in no position to criticise the Earl of St. Andrews on academic prowess...."

That's a ridiculous claim. That presupposes every other college or university in the world is inferior to Oxbridge.

I don't buy the logic that Daddy paying the bills will make it less likely for Markle to keep maintenance in that style should there be a divorce.

Yes it is ridiculous. And it's not "a 1st or 2nd in your finals"; 1st, 2nd etc refers to the class of the degree.

William is just fine. Both he and his wife have university degrees and a stable family life.

With William being older, and likely much more aware of his parents marital issues, I would have thought that he would have been more impacted psychologically by his mother’s death.

[quote] I don't buy the logic that Daddy paying the bills will make it less likely for Markle to keep maintenance in that style should there be a divorce.

It only works if Harry doesn't have a legal entitlement to the support from Chaz.

Markle will not get as much money as Diana got (she was married to the heir to the throne, whereas meghan is married to the second son of the heir to the throne), and Diana only got $27 million.

Eton. Autocorrect. Eton is not a “college” in the sense of college in the U.S.

Can you please name the crime, R78. Otherwise, shut the fuck up.

Di only got $27m then, in England. MM thoroughly researched the divorce law of her home state before whisking Harry off there, on the spurious pretext that she was taking her family home in the pandemic. If the divorce laws were better from her point of view in, say, Hawaii then that would have been the destination not CA. It's called forum shopping.

[quote] With William being older, and likely much more aware of his parents marital issues, I would have thought that he would have been more impacted psychologically by his mother’s death.

He was fifteen when Diana died, whereas Harry was only thirteen. I think those two years helped.

Also, William has had a sense of his destiny from as soon as he was told he would one day be king, so he had a lot of structure to his life; he met with his grandmother and father regularly to discuss his fate even before his mother died. He has always known what he will do one day. Harry did not, and had no good role models since both of his royal Windsor uncles were so aimless.

I think William actually WAS hugely affected by his mother's death, and we will probably hear more about it as he gets older. But he is not much of a whinger (unlike his brother or his parents), and he seems to have a somewhat sunny disposition (also unlike his brother or his parents).

[quote] Eton is not a “college” in the sense of college in the U.S.

That doesn't matter because Eton is not in the US.

[quote] Eton is not a “college” in the sense of college in the U.S.

That doesn't matter because Eton is not in the US.

People sure think they know what's in the BRF's various wallets. I hadn't heard anything about a Harkles' divorce, and in fact just read they are going to Haz' 'other' dad's house for dinner with his new 'other' sisters and their hubs. Harry is stupid, but he does know how to manipulate people.

r116 doesn't seem to know that, at least at Oxford, what one gets in one's finals IS what one gets in terms of degree ranking.

A first class degree means a first class finals result, for example.

One of the things that makes Oxford exceptionally difficult is that everything rides on the finals results.

R127 has never heard of the Aegrotat.

Anyway R127 what has your love of Oxbridge go to do with Harry?

Maybe they allow Aegrotat now, r128, but it was made very clear that if you were unable to take your finals for ANY reason, you were to leave the city, a notice was put up to all the major libraries in the country barring you from revising using their books, and you had to sit them the following year. Once you sit the exams, there is rarely (and I mean perhaps once in a decade) ever a resit granted.

This was before the internet and victim culture. Now, I presume it must be different, but missing finals was UNTHINKABLE back in the day. One man from my college took all 18 days of his with a raging fever, and I heard of another from a different college whose mother died two days before his first exam - he still sat finals. I know Graeme, the one with the fever, got a first, but I don't know what result the other got. That was the way it was. And yes, I was there. Lincoln.

To see what Meghan would get in the event of a divorce, look at what Fergie got. She, too, was married to a younger son with limited personal income. She got a small lump sum, trust funds for the girls, and the girls educations' paid for. There may also have been a house in there. Meghan may get a little more just so she'll shut up and go away, but not much. I don't see how she could touch his trust, as that was his before they got married. Community property in California applies to assets generated during the marriage, not before.

r128/r129 You were the one who brought it up, not me. I'm happy to keep discussing the Harkle car crash.

Jed) So I hear you were asking about Jethro, he isn't hear right now, he's scouting schools, he went to Oxford

Miss Jane) Oh really? I supposed he went to Eaton as a boy

Jed) If I know Jethro, he went to eatin' the minute he was born

Miss Jane) [laughing] Yes, either way he's an Eaton man

[quote] a notice was put up to all the major libraries in the country barring you from revising using their books

The Force is not strong much with R130.

Fergie divorce was 25 years ago and for several other reasons might not be a reliable measure for the future. This will be years down the road anyway, after the house is purchased and furnished, etc., if it happens at all. Until then, and maybe afterwards, we can watch Henry ruthlessly monetize his mother's ghost.

{quote] after the house is purchased and furnished, etc., if it happens at all.

Done that.

[quote]The regular dispatches from the "the trolls are being investigated; authorities closing in" troll are weirdly entertaining. Our own Louise Mensch/QAnon.

I feel bad for not blocking them but it's fucking hilarious. We're gonna get in trouble! For engaging in celebrity gossip on DL.

They already closed one a couple days ago re ME v MoS

Vanished without trace.

R48 In my opinion, Diana was much more intelligent than Charles. She was uneducated and maybe had some learning issues, but she had a sharp, intuitive mind that helped her run rings around the royal family when the time came. The other side pegged her as a dope, which gave her a great advantage. The Cambridge and Oxfords grads that staffed Buckingham Palace’s offices were too busy laughing at her to notice that she had walked away with exactly what she wanted in the divorce deal and the public’s goodwill to boot.

Those two years that Wm had on Harry made a huge difference in terms of getting perspective about his mother. I don't know how severe it was, but Wm was well aware about all the whispering his Eton classmates were engaging in about his mother's love life and stability. I don't know if it spilled over into open taunts or sneering.

According to Tina Brown he was quite upset about it. Diana drove to the school to have a talk with him. Keep in mind this is the kid who was the emotional caregiver to his mother as a young child, fetching tissues for her and asking her to please come out of the locked bathroom. Harry likely didn't experience his mother's volatility. William has come to understanding about Diana's death and maybe he's come to some peace about it.

[quote]Fergie divorce was 25 years ago and for several other reasons might not be a reliable measure for the future.

Plus, Fergie did not play hardball. She was so mortified about the John Bryan photos in the Sun, she told the queen all she wanted in the divorce was "your friendship, Ma'am." I think we can safely assume that Meg will not roll over like that.

By the same token, the Palace will be prepared for Markle's lawyet.

R95 I think you may be right. There was a similar case recently from the Luxembourg royals, with the third son embroiled in a divorce. The wife, Tessy, filed in London, thinking it would be advantageous to her. Alas, the third son was a useless idiot like Harry and got most of his money from his father. The judge ruled that the vast family fortune could not be factored into the divorce settlement. She walked away with...£8000 per year child support, the kids’ tuitions paid and usage of a modest home in Paris until her kids turn 18. That is it. No lump sum, no nothing. She didn’t even have a lawyer (the royal family wasn’t paying for one). She also lost her titles. She’s now a “woke” founder of a few charities and pretends to be some great philosopher and feminist. Sound familiar?

This will be Meghan’s future. Diana got way more because she was wife of the heir, who had serious money of his own thanks to the Duchy of Cornwall. However, the divorce settlement really put a huge dent in Charles’ coffers and it took him a long time to recover.

I think you're right, r140.

Also I wonder if William was overall less spoiled than Harry. After all, William was raised from day one with everyone around him warning him that he would have to take on a huge responsibility one day, and having to put playtime (and later, party time) aside to meet regularly with the Queen, the Queen Mother, and Philip separately. Harry could always play to his heart's content whenever he liked.

R143, she can hire Meg!

In 2016, Tessy co-founded Professors Without Borders, an NGO specializing in international educational efforts and is currently its Director of Logistics.[13] She currently works as founder and partner for Finding Butterflies Consulting, a consulting service focused on corporate social responsibility projects in education and female empowerment.[14]

I also think after Charles had to pay out the ass to Diana, the boys' trust were probably restructured to protect them from future possible marital mistakes.

R87 - "Basically Charles is siding with Harry against William and William’s family."

Which you infer from - what? That he hasn't totally disowned the son he feels so guilty about? That he's still funding him so Harry doesn't look like a complete jackass to the rest of the planet?

For one thing, Charles knows William and his family are doing fine. The Queen, Kate, and William top every royal popularity poll. William is going nowhere but up, including financially.

Charles isn't "siding" with anyone - he's just doing what he's always done: indulge a weak younger son with his fingers crossed behind his back, assured that his elder son is on the right path after some minor bumps.

If you're waiting for Charles to denounce his son and cut him off financially as "proof" that he "sides" with William - then you're living in Clouck Cuckoo-Land.

It doesn't work that way.

Ah, r143! Thank you for reminding me!

I couldn't place why, when I heard that Charles is paying, that it rang a bell that making me suddenly think 'it's a divorce preparation strategy' but THAT'S the case I was trying to remember.

Thank you very much - it was driving me mad trying to remember.

R139 -"She was uneducated and maybe had some learning issues, but she had a sharp, intuitive mind that helped her run rings around the royal family when the time came."

Oh, my sides!

She got a nice settlement, yeah. She was forced into a divorce she didn't want, lost her HRH which no matter what she said, she wanted, whilst Charles went happily back to Camilla when the ink was dry.

That's why the so sharp and intuitive Diana did something as stupid as the Panorama interview, the Morton book, and ended up at 37 with nowhere to go for the summer except the sleazy arms of a drug addled playboy who couldn't go for a pee without asking his domineering, shady father.

Which cost Diana her life.

Yeah, she was WAY smarter than Charles!!

I remember reading that while William was at Eaton, he went over to Windsor once a week to have tea with the Queen. That was most likely building a strong bond and learning what the Queen could share about William's future role.

It's also a mistake to overlook the strong impact of having Kate and Kate's family as a major part of William's life. By all accounts the Middletons are a close and loving family and now William and the Cambridge children are wrapped in that secure family life, something that William might have yearned for during the tumultuous years of his parents marriage.

"Delusional to think they could fund an A-list life."

No, not delusional, glamorous and useless celebrities can make a lot of money off of social media. So the idea of living off social media was not stupid or delusional in itself.

What was stupid was the execution of a workable idea, OMG what a hilarious mess the launch of their media empire turned out to be!

If Charles is funding the Harkles as a pre-divorce strategy, then yes, Meg will have no claim on him or his money in a divorce. Legally any money he gives them is a gift, there is never any legal obligation to continue gifts to someone to whom you are not married.

Meg isn't as smart as she thinks she is but she isn't completely stupid, she'll be aware of the divorce legalities. She'll have no legal claim on Harry's trust or Charles's gifts, although obviously she's going to be able to leverage a bit of change out of them if she's kept records of things they wouldn't like to be made public. So really, her ONLY good option is to make money out of social media, or find a husband with actual money of his own. If she married Harry for fame then well done, but if she married him for money he must be the biggest disappointment of all time.

Diana had mastery of manipulating people. She had certain emotional intelligence in how to manipulate those close to her so that she’s presented to the outside world as a wonderful person. Only in private did her dark sides peek out, such as her phone stalking a married lover’s wife. That side of Diana was a narcissistic paycho. That she was also cheating with married men while presenting herself as an aggrieved, cheated-on woman, that should tell you how magnanimous and balanced she was as a person. She was in a freefall in that last year, if she hadn’t died her image would’ve taken a hit eventually. It would only be another 5-6 years that internet gossip sites would really take off and there’d be people willing to talk by then.

It's true, r151, Meghan will have a bit of leverage, but this strategy gives the family greater leverage - and leeway.

Also, Meghan's decision to isolate Archie from the larger family reduces her leverage from what it would be if the family had developed a bond with him. She clearly intends to use him as a bargaining chip, but she showed her hand there too soon by whisking him away so early. She should have allowed the family to know and love Archie if she wanted him to be a truly powerful bargaining chip in her dealings with them. Right now there is no way he can be a very powerful bargaining chip since the family haven't seen or spent much time with him, and now he's 6000 miles away never to come back to the UK, from the looks of the way things stand now, so is probably considered a regrettable 'write-off' by the BRF.

No matter how smart she or her L.A. lawyers are, the BRF has an actual playbook, and I guarantee there are BRF lawyers working right now on a variety of contingency plans to handle the Harkle divorce, whether it be in 2 years or 20, in a way that will protect the family.

[quote] I remember reading that while William was at Eaton, he went over to Windsor once a week to have tea

How many times do you people have to be told how to spell that odious name? The Queen wasn't at Windsor once a week in those days, even to be trolled by one of her little grandchildren.

Why wouldn't she be at Windsor once a week, r154? It's her main residence and where she spends every weekend when she's not in Scotland.

Her main residence is Buckingham Palace, moron.

Some people on this thread know fuck all and should fuck off or merely observe in silence.

Her London residence and administrative centre is Buckingham Palace, but she famously - FAMOUSLY -has always hated B.P. and considers Windsor Castle her "home". Unless she has actual London business to attend to, she always retires to Windsor.

Perhaps you should do some reading up on the Queen, r156. She's an interesting person.

R153 my favorite thing about Meg is her commitment to stupid mistakes, ie, not letting the BRF bond with Archie. Charles and the Cambridges probably have more of a bond with Camilla's grandchildren.

Peeps, no essays from Word pasted into this thread: it's a dead weight. Keep it down to 100 words if you can. I am not reading your crap anymore.

Or.. you could simply not read comments that are too long for you to understand, r156 / r159.

Have you thought about that as a potential strategy to deal with your problem?

The long ones, I just scroll thu.

Does anyone have a link to the incident mentioned in R19?

The Queen welcomes visitors to her private garden in historic move:

All I got from R163's link is about the so-called emeritus king of Spain who is staying in at $10K/night suite in UAE, no doubt at someone else's expense as he counts his billions.

The British 'honours' system explained:

[quote]A 'First' is the highest grade achievable for a UK undergraduate degree. This typically represents a score of 70% or more and in 2017/18 28% of students nationally achieved a First.

[quote]An 'Upper second' (2:1) is the next highest band, typically representing a score of 60%-69%; in 2017/18 48% of students achieved an Upper Second nationally. A 'strong upper second' would typically be taken to mean 65% or more. Almost all current degrees in England, Wales and Northern Ireland are 'Honours' degrees; an 'Ordinary' degree may either refer to a degree of a shorter duration or a passing grade below 3rd Class Honours. For Scotland, 'Honours' degrees refer to completing an additional fourth year.

That stupid essay that Harry supposedly wrote this past week about the negative and hateful social media was not written by him. What bunch of woke, self-righteous, sanctimonious, word salad gobbledygook.

Granted social media can be brutal at times, but Harry or more likely Markle and her public relations team were so friggin preachy and pious. Is that essay why he left the BRF?

By the way, Markle just got a one-time, non-paying gig interviewing the head of the women’s organization, “The 19th” (commemorating the 100 anniversary of the 19th amendment giving women the right to vote), whose virtual conference takes place next week.

Could Harry and Meghan be returned to the UK? Harry to Frog Moor. Meghan to a nunnery. Archie will be taken into William's family 'temporarily'.

R2 et al. show that they have no idea what an IQ of 88 looks like. People of that intelligence, who may have skills and talents in various area, simply tend to be concrete thinkers, lack robust imaginations that also are grounded in objective testing, and have somewhat limited literacy and communication skills.

In other words, the prince does seem to be in the 88-92 range. Nothing he has said or done suggests otherwise. Remember, his military service is all he has accomplished, and it has been well documented that much of what we've heard is deceptive PR. Numerous military colleagues have ripped his lack of discipline, his ineptitude, his arrogance and his immaturity.

MM begged to do that interview r166. No one sought her out.

r165 Firsts are far more rare at Oxford and Cambridge than they are at Universities in the rest of the UK and Ireland, the major exceptions being Edinburgh, St. Andrews, Imperial and UCD.

The average percentage of Firsts across the UK give no indication of what it actually means to get a First at Oxford, Cambridge or the others I mentioned above.

R170: you're right, but I posted that bit because there seemed to be some confusion on this thread as to what a "First" means in the British higher education system. Some American (?) posters seemed to think it referred to students graduating at the top of their class rather than denoting the class of the degree.

The litle bios provided in older editions of British non-fiction titles used to mention the author having achieved a First or Double First from Oxbridge or some other prestigious university. Not sure if that is done anymore.

It will be hilarious to watch Meghan’s interview. She has no interest in anyone’s thoughts on anything and won’t let the woman get a word in, I am sure.

I think double firsts are still done - I heard of several in my time.

I even knew of a double-starred first awarded to one number of my acquaintance. Previous to that I had thought a double-starred first was the stuff of myth. He was astonishingly beautiful, too. Died of a heroin overdose in London the following year, sadly.

R148 Shit happens. Accidents happen. I’m arguing Diana was more intelligent than Charles, considering what she accomplished when up against a system determined to best her financially and from a PR standpoint. Now, her relationship with Dodi showed a lack of judgment. Or bad taste in men. Or both?

There's book smarts and there's emotional intelligence. Di clearly had the latter, which gave her the gift of people.

Diana had neither "book smarts" nor "emotional intelligence" but she did have "media intelligence", and she pioneered that craft.

Diana herself said she was "thick as a plank".

Diana was never pretty either. She was pretty by British standards which is fairly low, but both Meghan and Kate blow her out of the water in terms of looks.

Diana was a stunning looking woman who became very stylish and knew how to make the best of her her tall, slender figure.

Was she classically "pretty" ? Who cares?

She had a modest career as a television actress. Good for Meghan Markle. Prince Harry at the age of twelve experienced the tragic loss of his mother in a drunk driving accident while being pursued by the press. There is little wonder why he hates the press.

As an American of African descent, she brought a unique, refreshing, and promising perspective to the British Royal Family. Had the two of them been savvy, smart, and a bit more sophisticated they could have used their position within the family to quietly push it in the direction of greater relevance in a Britain that is increasingly more secular, diverse, and fractured. They could have been quietly pro-active. They weren't.

Now, they're merely reactive to the topic du jour.

They jumped ship from pampered luxury to pampered luxury with no obligations. Since they came to America, they make public utterances of platitudes or appear at some "boutique" soup kitchen, then go back behind their free, gated mansion to live pampered lives...surfing with British actors. What does she do? Drop her friend from her social media feed, after the friend said something vaguely stupid?

And they are living at the home of an actor/director/media king who has promoted African-American talent in front and behind the camera, but who built his brand on cartoonish stereotypes of the Black community.

They're mere celebrities now. The "Sussex Brand" is "Goop" with a coronet. And who pays serious attention to "Goop?" Fools. Who really cares what these two have to say?

Theirs is a story of what might have been.

[quote]So the idea of living off social media was not stupid or delusional in itself.

I think the "delusional" part stems from, as another poster said, ME! posting "contentless drivel" or words to that effect. Plus the issue of Harry just reading off script her words, not his revealing his own "hypocrisy". Either way, the Harkles did not exactly"hit the ground running"

A few thoughts. The British Royal Family are placed in a privileged position, with a sizable income, because they are expected to be dutiful and carry out a variety of mundane functions. Harry and Meghan, by leaving Britain, want to continue to enjoy the privileges while not carrying out the duties. Since their departure, they do not seem to have found a way to be self supporting, as they stated they hoped to do. Of course, we have been in a pandemic, but many others are finding ways to be productive. So, they remain dependent on Charles whose money, of course, is only his because of his birthright, i.e., support from the nation. I fear they will find themselves like the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, scrounging off of rich friends and "selling" themselves for a few bucks. But what happens when Daddy passes away? Will brother William continue to support them? One more thing -- as a psychologist, I think 88-92 sounds about right for Harry's IQ. Don't forget: half of the population has an IQ below average (100)! There are many, many people in the 85-100 range, all functioning in society. As noted previously, the cutoff for intellectual disability is 70 and one also has to show difficulties functioning in life.

You are ALL ARRESTED! We KlanGrannyEverywhereTrolls are being told by all the police that if we badger hard enough, then we we get what we WANT.

You think you can speak freely? That doesn't matter - there is a thing called 'SJW-FREE SPEECH'!

FEAR us, Dataloungers!

and DESPAIRRRRRR.

Tom Hiddleston, another, er, regular here on DL, got a Double First in Classics at Cambridge. He's also fluent in French, I saw him answering questions from a French journalist in French at some PR junket or other. He may be a narcissistic 12 year old (although lately he looks as if the Swift debacle finally fostered some maturity) but he's got brains. It's one reason his father, who was also academically brilliant, was so angry when "the boy" chose a theatre career.

You really don't get Double Firsts at Oxbridge without some genuine basic smarts.

And by the way, it still does seem as if whatever the "heritability" quotient of innate intelligence is, the maternal side seems to have more genetic influence, from what I remember of what is known to date.

I don't care what anyone says about Diana's "emotional IQ" - frankly, if she'd had real emotional IQ she'd have handled her marriage and her husband better. She was totally at the mercy of her demons, and that included her "masterful" skills at manipulating the press. In the end, she lost at everything that really mattered and went on making the same mistakes with men she made when she married a man she knew didn't really love her.

She may have been "sharp" in a shallow sort of way, but just like the woman her son married, she was lousy at long-term strategy and weighing likely outcomes. If Harry got his brains from his Mum, small wonder he's as dumb as he clearly is.

Charles was no Nobel Prize winner, but then, he didn't have to be. He did respectably, so did William, so did Kate. It was Harry who did abysmally - he couldn't even pass the officer's exam to get up to Major, which is probably why he left. His Gran had to make him an honorary one, instead.

Re the divorce: for the umpteenth time, Meghan has no claim on Harry's trust fund, as he brought it in with him. She will only have a claim on such revenue as the Trust produces that has been supporting her since the marriage. If she gets a nice settlement, Harry may have to break into the Trust to pay it, unless Charles and/or the Queen save him from wrecking an inheritance he can't, like Charles, replace over time with Duchy revenues.

Believe us: after Charles' and Andrew's divorces, those boys' Trusts are handily ring-fenced in the expectation of just such an eventuality. Harry himself can eat through it, but not some American grifter opportunist disappointed at how little money his title managed to get her after they bit the hands feeding them and flounced out taking their brass-plated jewels with them.

^^^ Is off its Meds^^^

Whatever ME! makes off with in terms of $$$ settlement, Harry will be that much "poorer" making even less of a "catch" the next time around. In 5 years time, minus $20 M or whatever, no house except some pile Charles threw at him.

ME! is taking all billionaire comers,

Come one billionaire, come ALL!!

R186 - Well, yes, the bottom line, so to speak, will be that Harry comes out with less and Meghan still comes out with a hundredfold more than she came in with: money, fame, status, lifestyle. No matter what she gets in the event of a divorce, she still comes out a winner and Harry still comes out a loser.

Unless, of course, they really do start making boatloads of money, in which case, in the event of a divorce, they'll both come out all right.

I just don't see the boatloads of money materialising - COVID and its restrictions aren't going away until a reliable vaccine is passed and made widely available.

Between their exit and that time, though, they've already gone a fair way to destroying their desirability to corporate bigwigs - they're litigation happy, untrustworthy, vindictive, shallow, and mostly end up with egg on their faces when they go into their pompous lectures. What they've gotten so far are crumbs. Meghan had to contact that 19th summit to shoehorn herself in. No one invited her.

They really have made an incredible mess of things.

Of all the conniving office women I've met none have had the balls of Meghan Markle. Who is she to contact the head of the 19th summit and invite herself to be a featured participant? Who is she to twist Harry's arm so he'll ask Disney's Bog Iger to throw some jobs her way? Who is she to demand that the Queen allow her to wear a tiara that is off-limits? It's fascinating to watch. Yes, a woman can have too much confidence and I think you must have a disorder to have the arrogance and entitlement of Meghan.

You gays would all be WORSE than Meghan if you were married to Prince Henry.

I read that Justice Warby is moving to another court level. What will this mean for the MoS case?

Marrying a elderly black lady is sign of low iq. Odd guy.

Prince Harry's childhood friend 'had doubts' about suitability of Meghan

Tom Inskip advised Harry and Meghan to live together before 'doing anything more serious'

[quote]It really hurt him that someone he was so close to would not trust his judgment.

He was right.

^^Inskip, not Harry.

There's a difference between confidence and pathological entitlement.

In Lady CC’s book, she is described by somebody from Suits as “odiously pushy”.

I can’t believe that No one is talking about how MM indirectly briefed Lady CC that her father, that poor bastard, sexually Molested her. Lady CC didn’t believe it for a second and couldn’t believe how low MM would stoop, trying to feed her that.

"Of all the conniving office women I've met none have had the balls of Meghan Markle."

Well that's why your conniving office women are still in offices, and Meg is a royal duchess. I do give her points for outstanding social climbing ability, if not much else.

It also helped that ME!'s target is off limited intelligence, r198.

^^^ of

R197 Lady CC is hardly a trustworthy source. There's plenty of proven or even likely stories about Meghan to shit on.

Meghan recognizes she has the only American royalty right now Prince Archie.

One of the commenters in the DM version of Inskip estrangement story said that Cressida Bonas told friends "Harry is not a nice person." I don't recall having read that before and if I had I might not have believed it. Such was the narrative and PR about him back then.

Nobody cares about that potato headed child.

Archie is the spitting image of Thomas Markle. MM must have screamed when he was born.

She's not too terribly cunty or concerned about while you kept going over & over again in Faux Pretend Concerns statuory shenanigans.

Harry's latest video causing a stir as seen in DM commentary:

William - is there NOTHING you can do to shut your brother up ? He is not only demonstrating a naive sort of idiocy pretty much every day, but he is also making some of us question whether the Royal Family is such a great institution if it can produce an imbecile like this and just stand by while he spouts drivel.

DM Comment -[bold] Naive idiocy

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Can't the Royal Family send in a crack SWAT team to kidnap the fool and bring him back to the UK to be de-progamned. He is becoming more delusional by the day!

- DM Comment on Harry's anti-Racism video

R205, every time I see that child (which is not often), I see a Thomas Markle. Mother Nature has a wry sense of humor sometimes.

No one else remembers that clip of Harry joking around with the two little African boys? I think they were in soccer/football jerseys. He makes a gesture as if he’s tousling their hair, but he kind of knocks their heads together like he’s one of the Three Stooges. Someone else here MUST have seen it! I am looking for it online, and can’t find it. Maybe I’m misremembering some detail. It was within maybe the last five years and the boys were African.

Harry's recorded video speech on "systemic racism" on GMA this morning shows you just how fucking dumb he really is.

Can you imagine it? He's lived in America for six months, locked in, hasn't been strolling the streets of NY, Boston, Chicago, Houston, or anywhere else outside of the fleshpots of Hollywood, and really knows nothing of the country and its varied areas and peoples. He's never really worked for a living in his life, has been protected and sheltered by an immensely wealthy and influential family all his life. His wife only dates and marries white but is now intent on using race to further her ambitions, his kid is white as snow, and he's lecturing the world on systemic racism.

In his speech, Harry actually stated that this problem had to be tackled by every single person on the planet. Yeah, Harry: all 7 billion of them, many waking up in the morning focussed on survival, but the first thing on their minds should be the Great Struggle Against Systemic Racism.

Every time this arsehole opens his mouth, he looks sillier, more out of touch, and as if he's getting his ideas straight from the Word Salad Fairy.

Every single person on the planet? Really, Harry?

You couldn't fucking make up how awful he makes himself look with speeches like these.

He's a grown man. There's not much his family can do. The Kardashians can't get Kanye committed and that's a more serious case.

The silver lining of how idiotically these two are behaving is that it makes the rest of the family look good by comparison. BRF stock has risen sharply in the last couple of years, largely because M & H are such assholes by comparison. That increase in public goodwill will help the brf carry on successfully after the Queen.

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She is still a hundred times more likable than the Harkles, r214

I saw a comment on another thread that said Meghan threw Beatrice and Eugenie under the bus in her lawsuit. I missed this, can someone explain?

I prefer to remember Harry as a carefree bachelor lad larking it up with his mates.

Thanks to Dan Lacey for the royal portrait.

I'm not a Harry-hater but this lambasting is so funny that I had to share. I gather this was first posted pre-Meghan and pre-retirement from royal duties.

R211, I love you with a deep passion. The term "Word Salad Fairy" is the icing on the cake.

r216. In the original court filing from which all the extraneous shit was removed by the Judge; she claimed she was unfairly treated because Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie and Prince Michael all earned money independent of the Royal Family and she was not allowed to . ( ignoring that none of those take public money).

Sorry can't find the link to the court records.

From R218‘’s linked article: “ In the real world, this Hooray Henry is a dim-witted racist tin-soldier who is extremely poor at public speaking. Take a look at any event in which he is given the role of orator and you will note that he repeatedly looks down at his pre-written speech like the average A-Level student he is; constantly emphasizing the last word as the tiny blue-blooded cogs turn in his almost balding head, his doltish brain trying to figure out what he has just read out to a hand-picked subservient audience.”

Harry is still doing this in his speeches, it’s so laughably cringeworthy and it betrays a lack of intelligence. Not only that but it shows Harry to be immune to self-awareness particularly in how others view him. There’s not an ounce of shame when he continues to lecture people about issues of which he understands very little. It is us, the public, who feels embarrassed for Harry, and doubly so due to his inability to process his own shortcomings as he bombards us with Harry Knows Best edicts on a regular basis.

The ebook should be online tonight, bitches!

"Not only that but it shows Harry to be immune to self-awareness particularly in how others view him. There’s not an ounce of shame when he continues to lecture people about issues of which he understands very little."

That's the thing - the idiot thinks people take him seriously in his own right!!! BWAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!

When he said stuff like that as a working prince, he was taken somewhat seriously because he was speaking in the role of representative of the BRF, and to some extent, the British Government. When he speaks for himself... he's just another celebrity trying to get our attention, with no more right to be taken seriously than a Real Housewife. Less, actually, because those bitches have made their own way in the world and can speak for themselves, while he's lived off of his family his whole life and says what his wife tells him to say.

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My sister’s friend has a husband who I suspect is low-IQ. The friend is obese and we think she considers herself lucky to have found a man to marry. He’s nice enough and has employment as a custodian/janitor. He can read and write (stupid shit supporting Trump) and is able to follow directions and make pleasant (if boring) conversation, and follow directions. He’s mostly inoffensive and doesn’t come off as completely retarded, but he’s not all there.

Anyway, this thread made me think of him. Also made me think about the parents of Arnold Friedman from “Capturing The Friedmans”. The creep’s father was described as being pretty low-IQ, and he produced a pedophile.

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She peed in the woods because she didn't want Harry to hear her pissing in the tent loo, obviously. Canvas is not a sound barrier.

r226, So scooby knows that tidbit about the intensely private couple because of his journalistic skills.They never told him honest.

Geez fancy telling the world you're a mucky bitch.

R228 he disguised himself as an African bush and got peed on .

The What Went Wrong With article must have been written by a Brit.

Only a Brit can come up with invective like "ginger moron" , "pasty faced twat", "squinty faced cunt" ,"over privileged buffoon" among several choice monikers.

Look. If he wasn't born a prince he'd be a chave and a yob. Has all the makings of an English football hooligan. I say the IQ hovers around 85.

After reading the headlines in the DM as The Book hist the shelves today (not mine, I refuse to fund Omid Scobie's lifestyle) re the rest of the book's content, I think Harry and Meghan are borderline mental, if not over the border.

The mind-boggling tidbits so far:

-Meghan walked around with binders on royal protocol so that "she wouldn't put a foot wrong". Oddly, the binders didn't mention that when out with the Queen on an official visit, if the Queen is wearing a hat, you do, too. That was the visit to Chester with Meghan in the lampshade dress, no hat, on one of her worst hair days . Amazing how she missed that bit, eh?

-Meghan felt her child was "unprotected" because he didn't get a title, what mother would stand for that - a d bizaare distortion of fact. Her son DOES have a title: Earl Dumbarton, which she and Harry refused to let Archie use. What Meghan really meant is that Archie doesn't have an HRH. Well, he's 7th in line and not in the direct line. The direct line is Charles-William-Williams's kids. That's why William's kids were given HRHs. Poor little Archie-a mere Earl and heir to his father's royal ducal title. Meanwhile, Princess Anne's children have NO titles and have lived perfectly decently "protected" lives

What's glaringly obvious in the book is Meghan's raging jealousy of Kate and the rank Kate's children naturally hold. The point of the HRHs stopping with grandchildren who aren't in the direct line was to stop a slew of taxpayer funded HRHs littering the landscape. Meghan married the spare not the heir. That's the way the HRH cookie crumbles, darling. If you didn't like it, you shouldn't have married into it.

-Meghan refused the little christening walk because she felt she was being asked to "serve up my child on a silver platter". That brief appearance is one of the easiest and briefest ways to connect with the public you claim to represent and whose taxes renovated your home and help pay for your lifestyle. It takes all of five minutes and didn't seem to damage the Cambridge kids any.

And by the way, darling, your child WAS born on a silver platter, remember?

-And then the accusation that William's aides threw Meghan and Harry under the bus, but the Harkles (let us face it, that is who provided all this directly and through intermediaries personally instructed by them) never quite explain how and why and what purpose it would have served.

At no point anywhere is there THE slightest recognition that Harry and Meghan may have made a few mistakes, took wrong turns, mishandled their roles, and failed to conceal their contempt for the institution, the country's Head of State, the British character, the future King and his wife, whilst enjoying the perks without which Harry would have spent his life as Sgt. Harry in the army, and Meghan would now be a past-it fading d-list actress.

Nowhere is there a mention of Meghan's Mean Girl stunt at Eugenie's wedding, her reeking envy of Kate's and Kate's children's higher position, her petulance, her contempt for the home she was given for free, her obliviousness to her advantages, her leaks of nasty stories about the Cambridges through people like Lainey, the fact that they started their plans to leave nearly as soon as the ink was dry on the marriage certificate, their failure to show up to visit the Queen at Balmoral the first summer they were married, as the rest of the family do, ffs, it's only 48 hours at most, it's considered a courtesy.

-Oh, then there's her closeness to God and the incredibly close bond she had with Charles (who, coincidentally, holds the purse strings for Harry). I would love to hear how Charles feels about that bond now after seeing firsthand the knife Meghan drove through his sons' relationship.

The book is a testament to the blinding hypocrisy of two people who are currently whingeing about a media culture of cruelty and urgings to create a culture of compassion and kindness and inclusivity . . .

As long as they get their boot in first.

Is this post greyed out because it's the zillionth British Royal Family post, or do people find the "IQ speculation" stuff offensive? Bit of both?

The Sussexes don't seem to realize that most people, including the ones they're trying to impress, can see through them. Removing negative comments about them will not change that.

R223 - It's greyed out because the Klan Grannie Troll greys out every single thread that is critical of Harry and/or Meghan.

Given Harry's long record of really foolish behaviour given his advantages, his reputation back home of being dimwitted and having had to have his messes covered up and handled by those nasty courtiers, and have been unable to pass the officer's exam for Major and being "helped" along at Sandhurst, why is it offensive to question his intellect?

If it's the zillionth BRF thread, you can blame two factors: in terms of gossip, they are currently the gift that keeps on giving; and, people are angry at having threads shut down because some Meghantrollstanbot is trying to stop any speech she does't like.

DLers have no less a right to open threads on new developments in the ongoing Harkle-BRF sagas than DLers opening a 20th thread on Richard Madden and Froylan.

Attempts to consolidate discussions have been made but have not stopped Muriel from shutting those down after a couple of hundred posts, either.

We won't be bullied or shut up. If we want to gossip about one of the biggest stories since the Diana-Charles split, we will. You are free not to open any thread connected to same.

A couple of folks have made the comment about Migraine possibly being responsible for potential downfall of BRF. At first glance, what a ridiculous statement. Now, not so much. If you take this FF book, coupled with the endless headlines, tiaragate, Kate and Wills bashing; the relentless shots at BRF from Tyler Perry pad in L.A., the ongoing litigation, the "sad" Harry videos; etc - I wouldn't be surprised if down the road, there isn't an outcry - or more of a public outcry.

I think Crimson has a real problem on his hands and he's playing a very dangerous waiting game hoping for Harry to run away. Harry is not running away and this is going to continue on and on and on until someone or something steps in and says "That' s it."

Hope I'm wrong.

Well said, r235

I thought that at the beginning of the Harkles showing themselves to be treacherous little parasites, but not now, r236. Most Britons *are* angry that M & H been given so much rope, but at the same time one of the surprising side effects of each time this insane couple make yet another jawdropping blunder, is that their stock goes down while that of the BRF in general has gone up (barring Andrew, of course).

The Queen is more beloved than ever, and I don't think Kate and Wills have ever been as popular as they are now. Even Charles and Camilla's stock is rising steadily. So long as the Harkles continue to step on landmines they themselves have laid, the rest of the BRF will only continue to rise in popularity.

R236 - That's what everyone said when Diana and Charles split, and then when Diana died.

Didn't pan out that way.

Harry and Meghan clearly don't give a fuck about the monarchy or Britain, and they're certainly doing their best to give both a black eye.

But the result has been to jump the Cambridges into the top position re popularity right next to the Queen.

It's only Britain that counts for the monarchy. They've handled worse than these two ingrate morons. The comments on the DM, all 7,000 of them, are brutal in their contempt for the Harkles.

So far, the Harkles haven't done particularly well since leaving, have they? The money isn't rolling in, the eager directors banging down Meghan's door - the book has made the Harkles look worse, not better.

The public is actually sympathising with the Cambridges as they see William's brother take a torch to the family that made Harry everything he is, and gave Meghan the only thing she ever wanted but couldn't achieve on her own.

They moved on carefully after Diana, they'll move on carefully after Harry. He is, after all, only the sixth in line and by the end of his life will be 12th or something. His brother is inevitably going up the economic and status food chain, and won't forget what his brother let his wife do to William and William's wife.

It's basically over for the Sussexes, not the monarchy. They got the boot in with this book, and from hereon it they flail around in L.A., suing media agencies right and left, getting themselves into the headlines with idiotic videos that draw jeers, and dependent on Charles' generosity to keep them in the style to which Meghan is now accustomed.

And lots of what is in the book looks mental - Meghan's kid doesn't have an HRH and is therefore "unprotected"?! What kind of garbage is that?!

They've totally shot themselves in the foot with this book - why do you think they keep insisting they had "nothing to do with it"?

Because they know it's going to screw their chances of ever being part of Harry's family again.

They thought they'd be raking in millions of their own by now. They didn't and they aren't.

The timing of the book couldn't have been worse for them, or better for the BRF as they calmly go about their work as the lockdown eases up. The praise for Kate and William at home has been wide.

The Harkles only managed to make Kate and William look like their victims, not the other way round.

Britain is glad they're gone. The monarchy will survive.

CDAN says a gardener overheard Megs telling someone Hal is an idiot who can't remember any lines in speeches. Obv this is completely true because she is a cunning stunt.

[quote]And lots of what is in the book looks mental - Meghan's kid doesn't have an HRH and is therefore "unprotected"?! What kind of garbage is that?!

Good points, r239. With regard to the "mental" part, I'm reminded of the prolific presidential autobiographies writer, Doris Kearns Goodwin who once remarked about our friend, Donald Trump (in the early days of POTUS) something along the lines of: "If Trump doesn't get a hold of his temper, control it, it is going to destroy his presidency." For some bizarre reason, I never forgot that that statement. It actually haunts me every time I see DJT on tv haranging or going on about this, that and the other thing. I put Meghan Markle in this same boat. Someone who cannot control her temper, her anger. This Finding Freedom is nothing but revenge against Kate and maybe Wills. Nothing else. That's it. Oh....and maybe get a few bucks out of it (indirectly) and more fame. Someone once posted a pretty nasty video of ME! mocking an interviewer on some silly red carpet event in Toronto (I think). The interviewer forgot something about her...anyway, ME! proceeded ON AIR to embarrass, belittle and humiliate the guy. Wish someone would post it again.

This just reminds of what happens when anger, venom, revenge get a hold of you and you cannot shake it. Harry is also an angry person. In so many ways, they are perfect together. And perfectly destructing together.

[quote] Meghan refused the little christening walk because she felt she was being asked to "serve up my child on a silver platter".

She didn't mind showing off her little meal ticket in FUCKING Windsor Castle, though.

The Spencer family link needs to be considered. The Spencers, like a fair few British aristocratic families, look down on the Windsors. Perhaps this is a frame of mind inherited by Harry and now shared by Meghan. (Princess Michael also despises the Windsor family on the whole, but she's in a non-British class of her own.)

I think it needs to be pointed out that Archie has a title his parents have chosen not to use AND that he will be HRH Prince Archie of sussex the moment the Queen croaks and he becomes a grandson of the monarch instead of just a great grand son. It seems to me that Meghan and Harry threw a tantrum when the Queen didn't grant him HRH status at birth and I think they again feel secon best to William and Kate because the Queen gave Charlotte and Louis those titles . And it's another example for Dumb and Dumber not getting it . There were changes made to the succession law and as a result a daughter can't be replaced in the line of succession by a younger brother, meaning Charlotte and her kids will always be in front of Louis and his kids , not like Anna who got bumped down by Andrew and Edward and their families . However the title rules only gave the HRH Prince XY designation to the oldest son of the oldest son of the Prince of Wales . Had Charlotte been born first and George second , Charlotte would be the heir and couldn't be replaced by George but her title would be Lady Charlotte while her younger spare brother would be HRH Prince George of Cambridge . That potential weirdness was avoided by the Queen when she declared all of William's kids would be HRH Prince/ss XY of Cambridge.

R244 Not necessarily. Edward's kids are technically a prince and princess, but their parents declined the titles. It would be hypocritical for the Harkles to take an HRH for Archie when QEII takes to her throne in the sky. They would never be hypocrites!

How was "Archie" approved as an official name? It's a nickname.

In today's items, several refer to Archie's lack of titles, saying that Meghan refused to show Archie to the public because Archie wasn't given a title. From those same pieces it's clear that Charles has said he will 'consider issuing letters patent' once he becomes King.

I'm sure that's likely - for now. But if the Harkles pull much more of this bullshit, who knows what will happen? Point is, it is not guaranteed, but will be reviewed at a later date. I'm sure that burned Meghan's tits.

There's no reason for dynastically irrelevant grandchildren to be HRHs. Edward was right to decline for his kids, and Andrew should have.

R246 - It wasn't "approved", they don't do that anymore with children so far down the line. By the time Archie was born, Meghan and Harry had one foot out the door and the other on a banana peel, so approval would have been a moot point.

In its oh so trendy nod to Non-Royalness, the poor kid's name does what everything Meghan and Harry do: makes them look pretentious, instead.

R248 - Andrew was farther up the food chain when his kids were born - fourth in line instead of the 8th he is now. And one reason Edward declined the titles when the kids were born, it was because he'd been promised his father's ducal title when Philip departed this world. When that ocurred, Edward's daughters would have been styled HRHs anyway, and as their mother has stated, they do have a choice at 18 whether or not to so style themselves.

Edward choosing to go by the Earl of Wessex until then made it even more sensible for his children not to be parading around with HRHs. But once he takes Philip's title, it will make just as much sense for Louise and James to take the HRHs.

I think no one expected Philip to hang on quite this long, and that has complicated matters somewhat.

I hope the two do pick up their HRHs just to stick it to the Harkles.

^*Edward's son and daughter (not daughters)

r250 but there's really no reason for the children of younger heirs to have HRHs. There was always very little chance of Bea or Eug becoming monarch, just as there's very little chance for Archie and will be little chance for the future children of Charlotte and Louis. If things change, like they did with Edward VIII and George VI, move them up absolutely and give them the HRH.

r250 Edward taking on the Edinburgh ducal title won't make a difference in his children's rank: they would still technically be HRH Prince/Princess of the UK, but styled as Lord/Lady Mountbatten-Windsor, same as they are now as children of the Earl of Wessex.

Once he becomes Duke of E at Philip's death, there is no reason for Louise and James's titles or stylings to change. James may take on a different courtesy title other than Viscount Severn, but that will remain to be seen. Their mother Sophie recently stated in an interview that there is a chance the children themselves will choose to use the HRH rank/title when they turn 18, and can decide for themselves.

The idea that the Spencers can look down on the Windsors is ludicrous. The Spencers are aristos by descent from one of Charles II's many bastards and have a long tradition of court service. Diana was brought up on the Sandringham Estate because of her father's role as an equerry.

Yes, r254. Diana's friends kept mentioning to the press that her family was 'older' than the Windsors during the War of the Waleses, as if to make out that the Windsors needed her more than she needed them.

In truth the Spencers were incredibly ambitious to tie their house to that of the Windsors. They tried to marry several daughters in a row off to Charles, and come time for Diana's wedding, Johnny Spencer was so determined to make it happen just-so that even a stroke two days before the big day did not stop him from walking Diana down the aisle.

The book describes Harry going into a multi-day rag at the Inskip wedding after paparazzi managed to take some photos of them. It makes him sound unhinged. He was "angry and shouting" in their villa "while Meghan was concerned." Meghan had never seen him" like this." Even his friends remarried that he was in a "dour" mood. Usually she could calm him down out of his moods, but not this time. She'd never seen "this side of him" before.

Hmm.

[quote] The idea that the Spencers can look down on the Windsors is ludicrous.

It's a speriority complex.

At R256, "rage" not "rag"

Ugh, at R256, "remarked", not "remarried"

Harry is uninhibited and wild and mental. Meghan is composed and mental.

Edward taking on the Edinburgh ducal title is just a rumor. A rumor that has been around for 2 or 3 decades now, and could be true, but no official announcement of this happening has ever been made.

Well, at the rate the DoE is holding on, whether it's a rumour without merit or one with legs seems a moot point, LOL.

I still like Harry. I do believe that he has been traumatized by his family drama. I don’t want to hate on Meghan but I do think that she’s running the show. He’s so used to other people deciding what he should be doing, that when she took control of the situation he just let her. Neither duchess is destined for sainthood. But it seems like Meghan has issues with the rigid palace life. And I believe the stories about the courtiers being nasty to her. But that’s life in a fishbowl.

To answer the question posed in the thread title: cognitively, the situation with Harry is that he's immature, not terribly bright, has been coddled and protected rather than forced to grow up, is angry and thin-skinned, won't admit that he's profoundly jealous of his older brother and that his wife is profoundly jealous of his brother's wife, and that he (and said wife) always externalise blame for whatever they're unhappy about in their lives (it's the drones! it's the tabloids! it's William! it's Kate! it's Angela Kelley! it's the "courtiers"!; it's racism!), and is incapable of addressing any of his issues, because he never gets past the "acting out" stage. Acting out only confers short-term satisfaction; therefore Harry will never really be happy, because he never confronts the really long-term outcomes of his actions. His wife has a similar temperament, but is less vulnerable to those outcomes because she has no feeling for his blood family, his country, and already got what she came for. Now she's back where she's comfy - but the day Harry wakes up and realises that L.A. famewhores aren't really a substitute for a loving relationship with father, brother, nephews and nieces, friends he grew up with, and family roots - it will be too late.

On top of that, Harry, and his lawfully consecrated helpmate are shallow, greedy, hypocritical poseurs.

They really aren't nice people. That's on top of the cognitive dissonance.

In spite of all that, they have landed well thanks to money neither has earned or merit - but you'll never hear them say so publicly. They'll be playing the victim card till they're carried out of that Montecito villa feet first.

There have been whispers about Harry's mental deficiencies, like his mother. From way over here he looks like a selfish prick who spends his life using and manipulating people. I guess the Harkles are a match!

If you listen to him speak freely, you would find him saying things like Texas is located in Australia within about two sentences. I am not kidding. His Sentebale charity in Lesotho had him telling the world that this country was literally not recorded on any map. Absurd. I gather he has dumped Sentebale now.

r2 is wrong. I have students with IQs in that range. It's slightly below average but it's not drooling moron territory. Harry is obviously average, but due to the experiences he's had in his life, he probably functions slightly higher than the average person would in his shoes. Meghan has terrible political instincts but she's not stupid at all.