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NYTimes: When Lucy tried to conquer Broadway

I didn't know this story about when she did "Wildcat" after "I Love Lucy." I always assumed "Wildcat" was a hit since it produced at least one standard, "Hey Look Me Over."

This is material from a new book about Lucille Ball that comes out next week, "The Queen of Tuesday." Its author Darin Strauss is a serious novelist, and it's in part a memoir of his grandfather's entanglement with Ball.

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by Anonymousreply 12810 hours ago

Wildcat was almost as big of a flop as Mame.

by Anonymousreply 1Last Friday at 3:28 PM

Lucy funded this entire project out of her own pocket

by Anonymousreply 2Last Friday at 3:30 PM

Lucy said that audiences didn't want to see her in this role, so eventually she just started doing the Lucy Ricardo "schtick" on stage.

Lucy also said that nobody, except the kids in the chorus, would be honest with her about what a stinker the show was.

by Anonymousreply 3Last Friday at 3:33 PM

Lucy goal was to be a Broadway star - she was finished with TV and wanted new mountains to conquer. She saw herself living in NYC forever and being like Mary Martin, A new broadway musical every year,

But nobody wanted to see her as anything but Lucy - so after the musical flopped, she moved back to California and once again did a "Lucy" series.,

by Anonymousreply 4Last Friday at 3:40 PM

You have to admit that it's sort of sad that she tried to do something different and the audiences only watched her as Lucy. That's gotta be awful for an actor to be rejected for trying to stretch yourself because your fans only want to see you as one particular character. I'd imagine playing one character for years and years must be hell on an actor who has an interest in playing other kinds of roles.

by Anonymousreply 5Last Friday at 3:43 PM

Especially then - the audience was even less sophisticated than now, and so they practically thought she WAS Lucy Ricardo.

by Anonymousreply 6Last Friday at 3:44 PM

Perhaps, R5. But the money is great!

by Anonymousreply 7Last Friday at 3:46 PM

It's so weird she had so much trouble understanding she couldn't sing. It's a constant joke throughout "I Love Lucy" that she can't sing, but she must have thought the writers conceived of Lucy Ricardo as someone very different from the real Lucille Ball.

by Anonymousreply 8Last Friday at 3:46 PM

J'adore r5!

by Anonymousreply 9Last Friday at 3:47 PM

But Broadway doesn't go for a boozing dope!

by Anonymousreply 10Last Friday at 3:49 PM

[quote] It's a constant joke throughout "I Love Lucy" that she can't sing

Back then you could get away with doing "Sing-Speak" (think rap) - Rex Harrison got away with it for years, just speaking the melody.

by Anonymousreply 11Last Friday at 3:51 PM

I wonder if she was considered for the original Mame on Broadway. The role could've been slightly changed to suit her better.

by Anonymousreply 12Last Friday at 3:52 PM

Ball could sing in the same way Rosalind Russell could. She could hit a few notes well enough, but didn't have a big range and, if the score wasn't tailored to her voice (like Mame), she'd sound like shit. She's fine on the Wildcat recording. She's no Barbra Streisand, but she isn't being called upon to sing the same kind of rangy material either. On Mame, even with lowered keys, she sounds awful because it wasn't written for her.

by Anonymousreply 13Last Friday at 3:53 PM

I thought Lucy actually began as a Broadway chorus girl and model.

And the show was selling fine. Audiences were eating up the Lucy crap she started doing because audiences were unhappy not seeing it out of town. Didn't the show shutter because of her health? She couldn't handle eight shows a week and collapsed more than once. Too much liquor and tobacco takes its toll on someone that age.

It's not a great score but I've always enjoyed most of it.

by Anonymousreply 14Last Friday at 3:53 PM

I think in the beginning that people only wanted her as Lucy, especially so soon after the marriage had ended. But over time, I think the reverse happened. She came to depend on that character to the detriment of her own career. She did do some drama specials that were successes.

Though it's often derided, Stone Pillow was a huge ratings hit when it was shown on CBS, and that was as far away from Lucy Ricardo as you could get. ABC offered her another show on the back of that. But instead of trying to do something current, she fell back on her old formula, bringing along Gale and all of the people she had surrounded herself with for thirty years.

by Anonymousreply 15Last Friday at 3:55 PM

She persisted!

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by Anonymousreply 16Last Friday at 3:59 PM

What's interesting is that also in the 50s (Wildcat was at the very tail end of that era), both Rosalind Russell and Judy Holliday starred in Broadway hit musicals even though they both (as opposed to Lucy) ADMITTED they couldn't sing.

Russell told Leonard and Bernstein and Comden & Green that she could only hit four notes, and she was right--but those four notes she could hit very loudly. And there was a musicality to her speak-singing in "Wonderful Town" like Rex Harrison showed later in "My Fair Lady."

Judy Holliday also said she couldn't sing, but she had even more musicality than Russell. She actually sang all her songs in "bells are Ringing" without much speak-singing, and she put them over--in fact, with "I'm Going Back," she put over one of the greatest eleven o'clock songs of all time (Faith prince, a much better singer, could not put it over nearly as well as Holliday could).

But I never heard Lucille Ball admit she couldn't sing, and she had none of the musicality of Russell or Holliday. She was always off the beat and out of tune and scratchy. My dad was like this (and so is Rosie O'Donnell)--they love musicals and they want to be in them, but they just can't sing.

by Anonymousreply 17Last Friday at 4:05 PM

Theater legend has it that Lucille Ball was offered "Wildcat" or "The Unsinkable Molly Brown."

by Anonymousreply 18Last Friday at 4:12 PM

The fact Lucy was reading the part of cue cards didn't help.

by Anonymousreply 19Last Friday at 4:13 PM

I told her!

“Lucy...” I said...

by Anonymousreply 20Last Friday at 4:17 PM

^^She hadn't met Gary yet.

by Anonymousreply 21Last Friday at 4:21 PM

Lucy's co-star Keith Andes (probably the only reason people bought tickets)

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by Anonymousreply 22Last Friday at 4:23 PM

Lucy was never considered for Molly Brown. Ever. But when Tammy Grimes was having major difficulties with the part out of town, Grimes looked at the house during a preview and saw Barbara Cook sitting with the producers, studying her intently.

by Anonymousreply 23Last Friday at 4:26 PM

Lucy's sister was played by Paula Stewart who had just divorced Burt Bacharach. Can you imagine the two of them sitting around the rehearsal room, blowing smoke in each other's faces and complaining about marrying "musical" men.

Lucy: Yeah, but Paul, at least yours spoke English. I didn't know what the hell loser Desi was saying half the time.

Paula: But, Lou, you don't understand Jewish men. They have this unnatural attachment to their mothers.

by Anonymousreply 24Last Friday at 4:26 PM

She had limited range as an actress,as well as singer. She ended the show despite advanced sales because of her health, although I suspect she knew what a disaster this was.

I wish people would stop talking about her a studio mogul. She played very little role in running Desilu once she bought out Desi. It turned into a rental lot until Herbert Solow was hired to develop shows. He wisely did hour dramas which she didn't understand.

by Anonymousreply 25Last Friday at 4:26 PM

[quote]Lucy was never considered for Molly Brown.

I dunno. Dory Schary directed Molly Brown. Maybe he wanted to work with Lucy on a Broadway musical.

by Anonymousreply 26Last Friday at 4:29 PM

She said she was "stuck in a hit".

by Anonymousreply 27Last Friday at 5:57 PM

Why would Schary have cared about her? He was a liberal and what passed for an intellectual in corporate Hollywood. Lucy may have been popular but she her comedy was shrill, obvious and derivative. She was not a thinking person. She had limited range as an actress and couldn't sing. It sounds as though Lucy bought Wilccat, in which case there was no "offering".

by Anonymousreply 28Last Friday at 6:01 PM

She was more lucky than an actress?

by Anonymousreply 29Last Friday at 6:28 PM

Judy Holliday said she couldn't sing? That's funny, because I've always found her voice rather pleasant.

by Anonymousreply 30Last Friday at 6:37 PM

[quote]Why would Schary have cared about her?

Because he allowed Lucy to use his name/persona in her show where Ricky goes to Hollywood. He was supposed to play himself, but backed out of doing it.

by Anonymousreply 31Last Friday at 6:40 PM

R17, you need to get out more.

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by Anonymousreply 32Last Friday at 6:47 PM

Paula & Swen

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by Anonymousreply 33Last Friday at 6:48 PM

Motherofgod. Isn't there a Lucille Ball website and message board somewhere you obsessed cunts can post? Every day there's a new damn thread on this dead bitch.

by Anonymousreply 34Last Friday at 6:51 PM

So rousing...

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by Anonymousreply 35Last Friday at 6:51 PM

Lucy may not have been a trained dancer, but she moved well.

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by Anonymousreply 36Last Friday at 6:56 PM

"The Queen of Tuesday"

Excuse me?

by Anonymousreply 37Last Friday at 7:01 PM

Lucie sings Hey Look Me Over...

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by Anonymousreply 38Last Friday at 7:03 PM

Valerie reminding Lucy...

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by Anonymousreply 39Last Friday at 7:10 PM

Viv getting sufficient...

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by Anonymousreply 40Last Friday at 7:11 PM

[quote]Viv getting sufficient...

That bitch couldn't put her cigarette down long enough to hug me. Burned a hole in my new cape.

by Anonymousreply 41Last Friday at 7:14 PM

She was no Eleanor Powell. But she could prevail in a musical number.

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by Anonymousreply 42Last Friday at 7:20 PM

Lucy and Valerie Harper were once on the Dinah Shore Show (DINAH!) and again, Lucy seemed bewildered when Valerie mentioned being in the chorus of "Wildcat" Lucy didn't recall and even said Valerie was mistaken, but Valerie had photos from the show and pulled them out and pointed at herself in the musical numbers and Lucy said, "That was YOU?" IT was very funny.

by Anonymousreply 43Last Friday at 7:27 PM

Figures Lucy couldn't be gracious.

by Anonymousreply 44Last Friday at 7:30 PM

[quote]but Valerie had photos from the show and pulled them out

Why should Lucille Ball remember some chorus girl in her failed Broadway musical? What did Val think she was Marie Jane Croft or something?

by Anonymousreply 45Last Friday at 7:34 PM

[quote]but Valerie had photos from the show and pulled them out and pointed at herself in the musical numbers and Lucy said, "That was YOU?"

I distinctly had it in my contract that there were to be no Jews in my show. I already got in trouble once for their Communism bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 46Last Friday at 7:37 PM

Valerie Harper was not Jewish. Not ever. Protestant.

by Anonymousreply 47Last Friday at 7:45 PM

Summer of 1961: Martha Raye did Wildcat at the Westbury Music Fair opposite Keith Andes. Saw it and she was hysterically funny and even raunchy in some of her business/shticks with stud Keith. She did a very funny curtain speech and ended the evening with "Bless you". Love the Cy Coleman/Carolyn Leigh score!

by Anonymousreply 48Last Friday at 7:47 PM

DID SHE YELL ALL HER LINES?

by Anonymousreply 49Last Friday at 8:02 PM

[quote]Valerie Harper was not Jewish. Not ever. Protestant.

She was for 22 minutes each Saturday night. then later Monday night in the 70s

[quote]Back then you could get away with doing "Sing-Speak" (think rap) - Rex Harrison got away with it for years, just speaking the melody.

How about the kid who played the Artful Dodger and later on HR Puffnstuff. He was HORRIBLE. All he did was yell not sing.

by Anonymousreply 50Last Friday at 8:09 PM

I never miss a Keith Andes musical.

by Anonymousreply 51Last Friday at 8:26 PM

[quote]I never miss a Keith Andes musical.

I have never seen one, but I love his mints

by Anonymousreply 52Last Friday at 8:29 PM

In retrospect, rewriting the script so Wildcat gets her head stuck in a loving cup and does an ad for a vitamin elixir wasn't the best idea.

by Anonymousreply 53Last Friday at 9:24 PM

Lucy improvised nudity into her Wildcat performances, much to the shock of the other cast members, and it didn't go over well.

by Anonymousreply 54Last Friday at 10:35 PM

It was also a pretty big mistake when Lucy replaced Andes with Gale Gordon a month into the run.

by Anonymousreply 55Last Saturday at 2:04 AM

Book and Lyrics

by

Bob Carroll and Madelyn Davis

by Anonymousreply 56Last Saturday at 2:07 AM

In her new memoir Lucy Loved Me, Paula Stewart says Gary Morton was a money-grubbing opportunist. He never loved Lucy, which Lucy knew, and stayed away from her as much as possible during their marriage. She also said Morton was hung and wore a toupee even before he met Lucy.

Stewart is still kicking at 91.

by Anonymousreply 57Last Saturday at 3:15 AM

[quote] I'd imagine playing one character for years and years must be hell on an actor who has an interest in playing other kinds of roles.

Kelsey Grammer played Frasier Crane for 20 years and managed to find success on the stage afterward. He received good notices and was nominated for a Tony in the revival of LA CAGE. His co-star, David Hyde Pierce has also been successful, post-FRASIER, starring in SPAMALOT, and HELLO, DOLLY!, and winning a Tony for CURTAINS.

Maybe audiences are more sophisticated now, maybe men have it easier, or maybe Lucy Ricardo was so memorable and unique that nothing she would've done post I LOVE LUCY would've erased that character from peoples' minds.

In any event, to steal a phrase from Liberace, I'm sure Lucy cried all the way to the bank.

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by Anonymousreply 58Last Saturday at 4:12 AM

Just looking at the production photos, you can tell the show was a giant turd.

by Anonymousreply 59Last Saturday at 5:11 AM

R31: That was in the days when movie studios discovered they could use tv to publicize their films but often were ambivalent about doing their own shows---tv operations were kept separate from film and Columbia (just coming into its own) used a different name for its tv subsidiary. Disney wrote promotion of his films into his contract with ABC and did it shamelessly through the different iterations of his show on ABC and NBC. Warner and 20th Century Fox did it with their maiden tv efforts. MGM had no real tv presence of their own so they did this through relationships with Ed Sullivan and later with ABC, showing shorts. It was advantageous to to promote the studio via ILL because they really didn't have their own shows until the late 50s after Schary had been fired.

Once MGM fired him, he quickly became a successful Broadway producer and already had success well before Wildcat with serious, Tony award winning plays. He would have been smart enough to know that a straight play revamped with show tunes and a non-singing, barely acting star would have been a disaster.

If there really is a Paula Stewart book, it sounds like ancient nobody making a last ditch attempt at attention whoring. Helen Keller would have recognized that Gary Morton probably started wearing a toupee when he was a teenager.

by Anonymousreply 60Last Saturday at 6:16 AM

Of course Lucy knew Valerie was in Wildcat. They would have had to have rehearsed this number...

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by Anonymousreply 61Last Saturday at 6:59 AM

Tall Hope

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by Anonymousreply 62Last Saturday at 7:04 AM

Lucy croaking out her songs in her cigarette-ravaged gravel voice is not pleasant to listen to.

by Anonymousreply 63Last Saturday at 7:43 AM

more about Paula!

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by Anonymousreply 64Last Saturday at 7:44 AM

[quote]That was in the days when movie studios discovered they could use tv to publicize their films

Lucy was famous for this. You can hear the theme from "Forever Darling" in I Love Lucy. Of course Lucy and Desi were heavily invested in the Broadway show "The Most Happy Fella," which was also featured on I Love Lucy

by Anonymousreply 65Last Saturday at 9:52 AM

[quote] Maybe audiences are more sophisticated now, maybe men have it easier, or maybe Lucy Ricardo was so memorable and unique that nothing she would've done post I LOVE LUCY would've erased that character from peoples' minds.

Or it could be that Lucy, talented as she was, had an incredibly limited range - one that did not include any talents necessary to make "Wildcat" a success.

by Anonymousreply 66Last Saturday at 9:56 AM

R64: It looks like Pauls really is an old has-been attention whore.

by Anonymousreply 67Last Saturday at 9:58 AM

Or maybe, since it has never been revived, Wildcat was just a dud of a show that even Mary Martin would have crashed and burned in.

by Anonymousreply 68Last Saturday at 11:02 AM

Gang Way for Lucy!

by Anonymousreply 69Last Saturday at 11:10 AM

Lucy had greater ranger when she way young and starring in all kinds of movies at MGM in the 40s, not only comedies but also film noirs, dramas, and musicals (singing dubbed). She never got a star-making role, however, but was respected for her multi-talents. And she could do sophisticated comedy without the slapstick which came in later.

by Anonymousreply 70Last Saturday at 12:37 PM

r60 Why would you think someone would make up Paula Stewart writing a book?

by Anonymousreply 71Last Saturday at 12:39 PM

Lucille Ball was best when she played hard-boiled dames.

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by Anonymousreply 72Last Saturday at 12:54 PM

Lucille does an early (less slapstick) version of Lucy in Miss Grant Takes Richmond and she's quite charming in it.

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by Anonymousreply 73Last Saturday at 12:54 PM

Wow. The typing teacher is the same actor who staffed the Passport Office when Lucy shows up to get her passport and she is intoxicated on Dramanine.

by Anonymousreply 74Last Saturday at 1:01 PM

Lucy hired her pals over and over. She was certainly loyal.

by Anonymousreply 75Last Saturday at 1:28 PM

R67 Paula's sizzle reel features both ex husbands!

by Anonymousreply 76Last Saturday at 1:30 PM

The Passport Clerk is Charles Lane. His credits on imdb span 65 years. He died in 2007 at the age of 102.

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by Anonymousreply 77Last Saturday at 1:39 PM

[quote]Wow. The typing teacher is the same actor who staffed the Passport Office when Lucy shows up to get her passport and she is intoxicated on Dramanine.

Yes, Charles Lane. He also played Lucy's business manager, Mr. Hickox, in the episode when she tries to get around him by getting cash for taking grocery orders (Buy Can AllPet). Lucy was very loyal to those she had worked with in the past.

by Anonymousreply 78Last Saturday at 1:45 PM

Charles Lane played the bank manager on the Lucy Show's first season. Gale Gordon took his place in the second season.

I guess he wasn't shouting his lines loud enough.

by Anonymousreply 79Last Saturday at 1:46 PM

Charles Lane is in my personal favorite episode of television, "Weigh In, Weigh Out" (St. Elsewhere). Go to minute 44 if my link doesn't work.

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by Anonymousreply 80Last Saturday at 1:53 PM

Charles Lane played Joan Crawford's ex-husband in Mildred Pierce.

by Anonymousreply 81Last Saturday at 2:59 PM

Paula Stewart can write ever she wants. But a non-entity writing a memoir at age 91 is just pathetic, esp. if the lead revelations involve Gary Morton's toupee.

by Anonymousreply 82Last Saturday at 2:59 PM

[quote]Charles Lane played Joan Crawford's ex-husband in Mildred Pierce.

No, dear. That was Bruce Bennett. Please leave your gay card at the door on your way out.

by Anonymousreply 83Last Saturday at 3:02 PM

[quote]Please leave your gay card at the door on your way out.

Is there anything more annoying than this phrase?

by Anonymousreply 84Last Saturday at 3:06 PM

[quote] Why should Lucille Ball remember some chorus girl in her failed Broadway musical? What did Val think she was Marie Jane Croft or something?

A chorus girl speaking to the star! Sure, it was more than a decade later, but Lucy still should have had Valerie fired right on the spot!

by Anonymousreply 85Last Saturday at 3:06 PM

Charles Lane was Mr. Finch on Dennis the Menace and Homer Bedloe on Petticoat Junction. Great character actor.

by Anonymousreply 86Last Saturday at 3:07 PM

[quote]Is there anything more annoying than this phrase?

Yes. People posting erroneous information that could be cleared up with a minute or two of research.

by Anonymousreply 87Last Saturday at 3:24 PM

Why is this book called " THE QUEEN OF TUESDAY ." ILL was in Monday nights .

by Anonymousreply 88Last Saturday at 3:24 PM

[quote]Yes. People posting erroneous information that could be cleared up with a minute or two of research.

Is there anything more annoying than cunts who act all superior and pissy over simple mistakes?

by Anonymousreply 89Last Saturday at 3:45 PM

Get her, R87!

by Anonymousreply 90Last Saturday at 3:48 PM

[quote] Is there anything more annoying than cunts who act all superior and pissy over simple mistakes?

Yes. The fat whores who wallow in being wrong and hiss and fuss over being corrected. THOSE cunts are really annoying.

by Anonymousreply 91Last Saturday at 3:50 PM

The r83/r87 types make me want to join the Westboro Baptist Church.

by Anonymousreply 92Last Saturday at 3:50 PM

[quote]Yes. The fat whores who wallow in being wrong and hiss and fuss over being corrected. THOSE cunts are really annoying.

THEN STOP CORRECTING PEOPLE WITH A SHITTY, PISSY ATTITUDE YOU MISERABLE FUCKING CUNT.

by Anonymousreply 93Last Saturday at 3:51 PM

What r83/r87/r91 looks like on everybody's caller ID:

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by Anonymousreply 94Last Saturday at 4:03 PM

[quote] THEN STOP CORRECTING PEOPLE WITH A SHITTY, PISSY ATTITUDE YOU MISERABLE FUCKING CUNT.

How vivid.

by Anonymousreply 95Last Saturday at 4:28 PM

Lucy was *nothing* without Vivian Vance. It was VV that really made that show funny.

by Anonymousreply 96Last Saturday at 4:33 PM

And she had Viv for a while on the new show.

by Anonymousreply 97Last Saturday at 4:36 PM

R51, Keith Andes did other musicals on Broadway, TV, and on tour. He sang well.

by Anonymousreply 98Last Saturday at 4:42 PM

She liked to 'sing' a lot on "The Lucy Show" as well. We all just clapped politely.

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by Anonymousreply 99Last Saturday at 4:46 PM

Oooof.

by Anonymousreply 100Last Saturday at 5:00 PM

Can you imagine being stuck on an airplane and having to watch in-flight entertainment from Lucy and Carol Burnett? Hijinks ensue at 19:15

Americans really bought these hokey plots in the early 1970s? Was Nixon pumping drugs into the water supply?

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by Anonymousreply 101Last Saturday at 6:05 PM

During the run of Wildcat, Lucy rented an apartment in Imperial House at 150 East 69th Street. It's here that Joan Crawford lived from 1967 to 1977 and much later Liza had a duplex there. Friend lived there and had horrendous problems with upstairs neighbors. No insulation and shitty, cheap constructions. That's why Joan had lots of wall-to-wall carpeting.

by Anonymousreply 102Last Saturday at 6:48 PM

r82 Actually, Stewart's lead revelation about Gary Morton is the girth of his sizemeat, which explains why Lucy married him. Second is that he was a mostly absent, unloving husband to Lucy. Third is he was a loser in show biz until he married the golden cow. Fourth is that Stewart disliked him intensely. Then comes the toupee.

by Anonymousreply 103Last Saturday at 7:49 PM

Verifcatia of sizemeat?

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by Anonymousreply 104Last Saturday at 8:14 PM

Lucy wanted to be a star but didn't want to work for it, just like on I Love Lucy.

by Anonymousreply 105Last Sunday at 2:44 AM

r105 Oh, my.

by Anonymousreply 106Last Sunday at 3:04 AM

These are the kind of threads I love. So sick of all the political BS.

by Anonymousreply 107Last Sunday at 5:54 AM

Lucy was a doll!

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by Anonymousreply 108Last Sunday at 10:24 AM

Why was she the queen of Tuesdays? I Love Lucy was on Monday nights at 9pm.

It was in one of the books that I read a singing coach said she had a good voice and range and was a much better singer than Desi, who was more of a performer. In the musical stuff on I Love Lucy when she isn't trying to sound terrible, she sounded pretty good, like the Queen Of The Gypsies thing or the Scottish thing. She sounds pretty good singing in The Long Long Trailer. Not saying she was Judy Garland but she wasn't bad.

by Anonymousreply 109Last Sunday at 10:31 AM

r106

Why Oh My? There was an episode where Ricky put Lucy to work and she quit.

by Anonymousreply 110Last Sunday at 10:37 AM

r109

I don't buy she was better than Desi. Lucy had a small range and if you kept the notes in it, she could sing it.

by Anonymousreply 111Last Sunday at 10:38 AM

R111 Desi was not a good singer.

by Anonymousreply 112Last Sunday at 10:45 AM

R105 Everyone knows she was a workaholic. She worked hard on Wildcat even though she was sick - she lost a lot of weight. She wasn't even sensible about it.

by Anonymousreply 113Last Sunday at 10:47 AM

Long, Long Trailer, r109....

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by Anonymousreply 114Last Sunday at 10:54 AM

Desi...Spic 'n Span

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by Anonymousreply 115Last Sunday at 10:56 AM

[quote]During the run of Wildcat, Lucy rented an apartment in Imperial House at 150 East 69th Street.

Not too far from her old neighborhood.

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by Anonymousreply 116Last Sunday at 11:19 AM

Right in the middle of the East River.

by Anonymousreply 117Last Sunday at 11:35 AM

I don't know why Ricky wouldn't let her work at the Tropicana. She seems well suited to it.

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by Anonymousreply 118Last Sunday at 11:46 AM

Such dulcet tones...

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by Anonymousreply 119Last Sunday at 11:56 AM

r112

Yes he was. He certainly wasn't the best of his generation but he was above average.

by Anonymousreply 120Last Sunday at 12:10 PM

Lucy could shake those hips when she had to.

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by Anonymousreply 121Last Sunday at 12:22 PM

r121

So could William Frawley but that isn't something anyone wants to see now, is it?

by Anonymousreply 122Yesterday at 8:23 AM

Did you know that during his vaudeville career, Frawley introduced and helped popularize the songs "My Mammy," "My Melancholy Baby," and "Carolina in the Morning." Pretty impressive. Of course, Jolson made "My Mammy" one of his signature songs. I wonder if Frawley ever did blackface.

by Anonymousreply 12315 hours ago

Lucy thought blackface was funny. We had a recent thread about it on the show.

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by Anonymousreply 12415 hours ago

[quote]Lucy thought blackface was funny.

That makes sense if you embrace the reality that she was born 109 years ago. Lots of things were different then. She was born only 8 years after the Wright brothers first flight at Kitty Hawk and 3 years before World War I began.

Do you seriously think you are not a product of your environment?

by Anonymousreply 12514 hours ago

I don’t judge her. I was just noting.

by Anonymousreply 12613 hours ago

[quote]Yes he was. He certainly wasn't the best of his generation but he was above average.

If you watch him try to sing a ballad on ILL he's always off key.

I was just saying that in the book Desilu there's a vocal coach or expert who says she had a stronger singing voice than him. And - it's not like she was incapable of doing a musical, she sounds good in Hey Look Me Over (the clip above) and as someone else said, Roz Russell was a hit in Wonderful Town and you don't need to be a perfect singer to do a musical. Angela Lansbury (though better than Lucy) wasn't either.

by Anonymousreply 12710 hours ago

Even back then people knew blackface was offensive.

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