Just the absolute shithole.
What's the trashiest part of the UK?
|by Anonymous||reply 569||Last Sunday at 5:22 AM|
And of that West Scotland.
And of that Glasgow.
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Coventry. Before WW2 had a beautiful centre with medieval buildings. Got razed to the ground by the Nazis and they rebuilt it in concrete blocks. Hideous place. Also, Luton a city just north of London. Similar hideous architecture, nothing going for it at all. Mainly a dormitory town for London.
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That woman in OP's pic is sporting a designer handbag!
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R3 fuck off, you mad cunt!
|by Anonymous||reply 6||07/18/2020|
The east of London is bad because all the trash from the Eastend moved there.
|by Anonymous||reply 7||07/18/2020|
I meant the counties to the east of London. Otherwise the comment doesn't make sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 8||07/18/2020|
Most people say Essex, but there is some good dick in Essex.
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well yeah -- chav dick, R9
|by Anonymous||reply 10||07/18/2020|
I think pretty much a lotof it. Last year I caught a morning Saturday day train from York to Leeds. You simple have no idea. Guys with their girlfriends. There was no room foe everyone so a lot of them were standing. Naturally the guys sat drinking beer and their girlfriends sat around them while they belched and made lewd remarks to the benefit of all. Next to me sat a group of teens, he sat , she sat on her lap , with her back to me and their friends all around them. He kept feeling her up. Again, drinking. The girls wore make up as if for the last row of a crowded theatre. This was 11am.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||07/18/2020|
Jodie Marsh is an Essex girl
|by Anonymous||reply 12||07/18/2020|
I didn’t know Coventry was that bad. I have a cousin there. How about Wolverhampton?
|by Anonymous||reply 13||07/18/2020|
I heard about Coventry from an English bf long ago. The whole city was reduced to rubble during the war. Said it was a right shithole (his words). Low income ghetto looking place.
Sad they couldn't salvage anything.
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I thought Blackpool was a seaside resort and has a big ballroom dancing competition every year.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||07/18/2020|
Every area has parts which are poor and run down. Cornwall, which is possibly the most picturesque of the English counties, is also very poor. The second poorest region in Northern Europe. However, in terms of slums and visible poverty many of the old mill towns of the North would be where you would more consistently find that along with fairly high crime rates. You would also get many more instances of people falling out of the pub on a Friday night with their knickers round their ankles or collapsing in the street drunk.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||07/18/2020|
what exactly is a chav? Is it like white trash? Punk? Criminal? Is it like redneck, or is that just an American thing?
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Brightonians = Clueless softarse faux-academics & LGBTQAI??? freaks giving us all a bad name. Londoners = Flash cunts, fake hardmen in ‘gangs’, Asian/African immigrants. All somehow claim to be related to the Kray Twins. Basically Parisians without the culture. Kentish men/Men of Kent = Factory farm retards who try to claim Chelsea cachet. Brummies = Whingeing & pigshit thick. Taffys = Sheepfuckers, low INT racists, hypocrites. Also applies to Aberdonians. Mercians/West Midlanders = Sheltered hillbilly morons, cousin marriages abound. West Country folk = Carrot-munching Hobbit simpletons, the types to clap at fireworks and point at planes. Home Counties folk = Dim-witted but snobby Tory scum who lick the arse of the Royal Family. Cumbrians = Paranoid insular nutters with shotguns and attack dogs. Everything wrong with them. East Anglians = Windowlickers with webbed feet, Wicker Man territory. Scousers = Pikeys, pickpockets, think they're natural comedians, doleys, women all look like Pete Burns. Mancs = Superior gobshite chav overlords, the gay dustbin of England. Geordies = Ant or Dec. Leeds/Yorkshiremen = BNP-supporting wife-beaters, care home for rejected Midlanders, embarassigly shite football teams. North Easterners = Basically just cultures Londoners exiled a few generations ago for swimming in the shallow end of the gene pool and contributing nothing.
BONUS (Jocks & Paddies): Glaswegians = Perma-drunk, hair-trigger lunatic trolls, barely human. Dubs = see London and subtract the coloured folk & gays. Ulstermen = Mad sectarian kiddie fiddlers obsessed with blowing things up.
|by Anonymous||reply 20||07/18/2020|
I do love how drunk the masses of poor Brits are. Seems like less of a drug culture like the US. Social acceptance of drunkenness and daily pub going makes it way easier to be a drunk, Makes a heavy drinker in the US feel like a lightweight.
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Where did Onslow and Daisy live?
|by Anonymous||reply 22||07/18/2020|
R21 when you can pop out a litter and get free housing and stuff, why bother? I know I’ll get raked over the coals for saying this. There are generations of lazy drunks on the dole. Mostly white too.
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Would most consider Onslow and Daisy trash? They seem educated, always reading in bed. Just poor. Rose on the other hand.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||07/18/2020|
I read on a website devoted to Keeping Up Appearances that the show was filmed near or in Coventry.
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damn r20, do you like anyone?
|by Anonymous||reply 28||07/18/2020|
What were those Northern Soul towns?
|by Anonymous||reply 29||07/18/2020|
Wherever Milo Y. comes from.
|by Anonymous||reply 30||07/18/2020|
I will say that those shit hole towns are at least patriotic, unlike most of shit hole England, including shot hole London.
|by Anonymous||reply 31||07/18/2020|
Speaking of this, isn't it almost time for our annual Aintree Races thread with all the UK low classes playing lord and lady in their finery and getting sloppy drunk?
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Shit probably canceled from covid.
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Here's the last one.
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R20, that was epic.
|by Anonymous||reply 35||07/18/2020|
I thought Keeping up Appearances was Wolverhampton/Manchester areas. Think she mentioned it at one point.
Daisy and Onslow are classic British white trash to me. Better educated than their American counterparts - with better benefits.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||07/18/2020|
[quote]However, in terms of slums and visible poverty many of the old mill towns of the North would be where you would more consistently find that along with fairly high crime rates.
This is also true of the old mill towns in the Northeastern US. They turned into very depressing, lower class places with lots of crime. But at least in Britain you don't have to worry about gun violence.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||07/18/2020|
r18 a chav is the British version of what we call "white trash" in America. It's essentially the same thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 38||07/18/2020|
A good example of a really depressing town is in the movie The Full Monty. That whole town seemed depressing. Manchester, I believe it was.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||07/18/2020|
Chester is a hovel, but replete with cock-hungry gay men.
|by Anonymous||reply 40||07/18/2020|
Which city offers CHAV trade with huge veiny dripping cocks for 50 quid including the load.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||07/18/2020|
I wish I lived in the UK to truly appreciate what R20 was ranting about!
|by Anonymous||reply 42||07/18/2020|
The Full Monty was set in Sheffield. (The American version -- the musical -- was set in Buffalo.)
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You can only judge a shithole by the turds that pass through it!
|by Anonymous||reply 44||07/18/2020|
Jaywick in Essex usually wins these questions.
Though most of Stoke isn't far behind.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||07/18/2020|
Curious how a seaside town can get that bad. Cant they build some nice hotels and pubs/shops to lure tourists?
|by Anonymous||reply 46||07/18/2020|
It would really pay, seaside towns in the UK are mostly dumps (with the exception of the south coast).
It's pretty cold and wet here for most of the year.
|by Anonymous||reply 47||07/18/2020|
I loved that little town in Martin. That's about all the familiarity I have with seaside towns in the UK.
I guess they dont have that nice sand either and are mostly rock?
|by Anonymous||reply 48||07/18/2020|
Cornwall has great sandy beaches. But again that is the south coast.
We have sandy beaches further north but it's usually too cold and wet to use them (I live in the north and we've just had almost 3 weeks of rain and 60f temps in July)
|by Anonymous||reply 49||07/18/2020|
Do Oxford or Cambridge have trashy areas?
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R20 - so the trashiest parts of the UK is pretty much ALL of UK???
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Cambridge is a very small city, so no.
Oxford does. The Jericho neighborhood used to be awful, although it's quite fancy now.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||07/18/2020|
I like the town that Broadchurch was filmed in. What's that like?
|by Anonymous||reply 54||07/18/2020|
This is disappointing. As an American, I like to imagine much of England is like Midsomer Murders without the crime.
I know there are shitholes everywhere but still.
|by Anonymous||reply 55||07/18/2020|
R46/R47 the worst is Folkestone. If the Apocalypse came to our shores, all of England would look and feel like Folkestone. It has a haunted abandoned quality, even though it’s still inhabited. Even the constant rain feels menacing. The last time I went as a child, it terrified me on such a deep level I’ve never forgotten it (and I’d been all over the country as a kid).
For an inland example, Cinderford town (nestled in the Forest of Dean) is pretty close to the arse-end of humanity. Nothing grows there, even though it’s on the outskirts of a fuck-off massive forest. Every native is unintelligible and slightly-deformed or mentally unstable & vacant. It is always somehow dark and overcast, even in the height of summer. Depressed isn’t strong enough of a word - it’s more like post-industrial, miserabilist rural gothic.
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Rhyl in North Wales is also pretty awful, pretty representative of most northern seaside towns. It looks like it was abandoned in 1960.
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Wales always seems depressing as shit to me and that's just from the tv shows I've seen. Always dreary, post-industrial or dreary and rural. Do they have a high suicide rate by any chance? Does the sun ever come out?
|by Anonymous||reply 58||07/18/2020|
R58 Wales can be very lush & picturesque in a Springwatch way if you stay close to the borders (Gwent), head for the hills (Carmarthen), or go to the coast (Swansea). It’s deep landlocked Wales that’s bleak.
Still I’d always prefer Wales to the North of England. Then again, I’m from the West so to me everywhere north of Watford is firmly in the ‘Grim Up North’ category (I.e., Here Be Dragons, Do Not Enter).
|by Anonymous||reply 59||07/18/2020|
R13 The Black Country area includes Walsall, Dudley & Wolverhampton, and those three kind of have a mutual dislike for Birmingham because their Midland accent is often confused for the ridiculous Brummy accent by everyone else in the country.
J.R.R. Tolkien based the scorched stronghold of earthly evil in his novels that is Mordor on 19th Century industrialised Birmingham. Mordor. That says it all.
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r58 has never seen the Valleys
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[R20] Blows my American mind. I didn’t know the UK was such a patchwork quilt of trashy inbred drunkenness and depravity, though I know of Chavs with the fake tans and hair extensions. It makes sense, since a lot of us come from there. Mine came from the bombing Kiddie fiddlers of Ulster!
|by Anonymous||reply 62||07/18/2020|
American here. I've never been to the north of England but from the movies and tv shows I've seen it looks so bleak and grey and depressing. There's a movie called Wasteland (that's the US title, the British title is "The Rise") starring Luke Treadaway and Iwan Rheon (Game of Thrones) about a group of aimless young men in some town in the north of England who plot a crime to get out of their circumstances, and my god their town looks like one of the most depressing places on Earth.
It's a very good film, BTW.
|by Anonymous||reply 63||07/18/2020|
What most of the named places have in common is terrible transport links to the major cities.
It would take 2-3 hours to reach most of them and they are all less than 90 miles from a large city.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||07/18/2020|
R64, not true, trains work well and to full capacity in most ofthe uk. Unfortunately the chavs use it a lot.
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London to Jaywick ((70 miles) takes around 2 hours by car in normal traffic and up to 3 hours by train.
Manchester to Rhyl which is the same distance takes around the same.
Plus for train journeys you have to get to the station.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||07/19/2020|
R53 No rough areas in Cambridge? Cherry Hinton or Chesterton areas of town are a bit tasty.
Two roughest most depressing places I've ever been in the UK where Morecambe and Greenock, the latter of them was after a great drive through scenic countryside I drove over the top of the hill to a vista of 1960s high rise flats, peppered with abandoned cars and a mattress on fire, it was like a scene out of Mad Max...
There are some real dumps in the UK, and with a population that has been confirmed by national vote to be 51% thick as mince it is clear where the blame lies. If you want to know which areas of the UK to avoid, take a look at the national stupid ratings, the darker the blue, avoid.
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|by Anonymous||reply 69||07/19/2020|
R39 [italic] The Full Monty [/italic] was filmed in Sheffield, another Northern rust-belt city.
|by Anonymous||reply 70||07/19/2020|
In the US does poor always mean trashy? There are a few places mentioned above that are poor but I wouldn't call them trashy. I don't find trashy necessarily scary, either. Newcastle can get very messy at night but it's good fun and I've never seen anyone fighting. One of the most frightening places at night for me is Brighton, which is neither trashy or poor but parts of Kemptown or down West St late at night can feel really nasty.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||07/19/2020|
I visited Scotland last year, and Glasgow was exactly what one would imagine. Gritty, at times majestic, at times bleak, and with people plastered just after 5.
When I say “plastered” I am not talking about tipsy, drunk or boorish. No, I’m referring to people being positively shit-faced. Too drunk to function, puking their guts out.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||07/19/2020|
a guide to uk cities for foreign people
MANCHESTER: gays. you will probably get mugged.
LIVERPOOL: like manchester, but less gay. you will definitely get mugged.
NEWCASTLE: probably quite good for canadians as exists in permafrost and has never left the 90s.
LEEDS: it's a lot cheaper than london
BRADFORD: leeds but awful
NOTTINGHAM: gun death capital of the uk!
DERBY: intense rivalry with nottingham, literally no one else in the country or world gives any fucks about this.
HULL: violently resist anyone who attempts to take you here
LEICESTER: i'm not sure this is a real place
YORK: this is an illustration from the top of a christmas biscuit assortment
BRIGHTON & HOVE: more gays. is only a pretend city. mild to moderate chance of mugging. contains some deeply annoying hippies. basically if san francisco was british.
PORTSMOUTH: there is literally nothing here.
SOUTHAMPTON: exactly the same as portsmouth but smells of off milk
BRISTOL: you have a 1 in 10 chance of ending up in a bbc recording. everyone sounds like a farmer or bob marley.
CARDIFF: you have a 1 in 5 chance of ending up in a bbc recording, and a 1 in 3 chance of being glassed.
PLYMOUTH: post apocalyptic wind tunnel full of drunk sailors pissing on depressed hookers. do not enter.
PENZANCE: everyone here is from london now.
LONDON: no one from london is actually from london and even breathing is expensive.
CAMBRIDGE: windy and full of equal amounts of homeless drug addicts and public schoolboys. the junkies are nicer.
OXFORD: same number of cunts as cambridge but easier to escape from due to all-night bus to london
EDINBURGH: a goth turned into a city. basically london but slightly more scottish.
GLASGOW: it is impossible to tell whether people are angry or happy.
ABERDEEN: las vegas at the point when vegas starts crying uncontrollably
BELFAST: do not order "an irish car bomb" OR "a black and tan" here.
WOLVERHAMPTON: really, really don't.
NORWICH: count people's fingers. mutations walk here.
COVENTRY: like plymouth, bombed flat in ww2. like plymouth, failed to take the hint. like plymouth: do not alight here.
PETERBOROUGH: you probably got off the train to Edinburgh a couple of hours too early.
|by Anonymous||reply 73||07/19/2020|
Mayfair, Kensington, Henley, Marlow, Windsor, Sevenoaks, and especially Chipping Norton all have vile, disgusting people who should be guillotined.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||07/19/2020|
[quote] One of the most frightening places at night for me is Brighton, which is neither trashy or poor but parts of Kemptown or down West St late at night can feel really nasty.
In what way R71? Do you feel like it's dangerous to walk there, that you might be mugged or beat up? Or something else?
|by Anonymous||reply 75||07/19/2020|
[quote] In the US does poor always mean trashy?
Yes. But large swathes of our middle class are also trashy. And our wealthy. Essentially, the majority of people in the US are trashy.
Anyway, I'm sure many places listed here are worse, but of the towns I've been to, Leicester gets my vote for Most trashy.
|by Anonymous||reply 76||07/19/2020|
Nothing better than Chav cock 🤪
|by Anonymous||reply 77||07/19/2020|
I disagree R76. My mother came from a small, depressed town. Young people got an education and got the fuck out as soon as they could, leaving the elderly and whoever else but I do have to say that most people kept ther houses nice and tidy. Little post WWII box houses lined up with neat little gardens.
Maybe it's just a Southern thing but we judge "trash" by their living conditions. One can be poor but keep a nice, clean, tidy home, even if it's a doublewide, or live in squalor with broken toilets and washers in your front yard (trash).
|by Anonymous||reply 78||07/19/2020|
Americans don’t drink at all compared to Brits! You very seldom see anyone puking in the street here. We do have meth labs, though. Americans like to be zipping around, staying busy, so are more into stimulants. By busy I mean getting into fights and involved in criminal enterprises.
|by Anonymous||reply 79||07/19/2020|
R45 that article leads the reader to believe that a cartel of both Scouse & Manc druglords are taking over together.
If I’m reading that correctly, it must be the only time in recorded history that such a collaboration came about voluntarily.
|by Anonymous||reply 80||07/19/2020|
When I lived in London the English girlfriend of my American roommate let it slip that she was from Portsmouth but told everyone she was from Winchester because Portsmouth was “rough”.
|by Anonymous||reply 81||07/19/2020|
[R81] Thats so funny! In Virginia, Winchester is an old stuffy town in the upper Shenandoah Valley where Patsy Cline was from. Portsmouth is an old grimy port city near Norfolk. All the cities in Virginia are named after ones in England. In both England and Virginia, Portsmouth is “rough,” But in Virginia Portsmouth is home to a lot of hip hop artists and is also where Gene Vincent grew up.
|by Anonymous||reply 82||07/19/2020|
In the US, some of the trashiest white trash towns are surrounded by beautiful mountains and gorgeous scenery - in the Appalachians. Pocket towns abandoned to extreme poverty surrounded by beauty. Some towns in the South too - without the mountains. Literally shacks where people live on $400 month.
I think US white trash takes pills, heroin and meth - whereas British white trash drink to excess. Well, tbh that’s true of all levels of US and British society I guess. Brits drink ginormously - the US is vaguely puritanical about drinking (ex., we prohibited alcohol in our Constitution for years) but are ginormous drug takers (I.e., hypocrites)
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The only way is Essex.
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Cheryl Hole is from Essex
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If you drive through West Virginia it is gorgeous r83, but it is inhabited by trashy, poor, ignorant people.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||07/19/2020|
[quote] people live on $400 month
That's about what I spend.
|by Anonymous||reply 88||07/19/2020|
R85/R86 the Essex accent always gets me. A proper TOWIE turnout has me on the floor pmsl, even when it’s just a boring everyday conversation. Impossible to take anyone seriously when they’re going on like that.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||07/19/2020|
Wherever they filmed that Council Scum chav porn.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||07/19/2020|
R20 R73 Where do you live? Which part of the UK has the hottest men?
|by Anonymous||reply 91||07/19/2020|
The trash component of the US is slow and sullen. They can be dangerous, but if you avoid them, they avoid you. The trash in the UK always seem to be looking for a fight.
Most "trashy" rural areas in the US could be lovely with a little time and money. The "trashy" rural areas in the UK seem designed to be as ugly as possible: miserable little stony-faced houses jammed together on treeless streets (what's with the seeming British hatred of tree-lined streets?).
Go to a rich area in the US and there will be no trash. Go to a similar area in the UK and they are always there when you least expect them. I remember trying to find a place for an after-dinner drink in one of the UK's loveliest old market towns and being unable, in the company of a British friend, to find an establishment where we wouldn't both, according to him, be severely beaten (he is straight). As we were looking, four young women wearing postage stamps over their nipples and spray paint on their crotches came teetering down the otherwise deserted (9 PM, you know) streets, howling at Concord-disaster decibel levels about who they were gonna roll that night. I haven't seen such whorishness wrapped around a Vegas dance pole. And this was the UK equivalent of North Salem, NY.
Oddly enough, the drinking culture is framed by a bar culture that sucks like a Key Largo waterspout. If it's not beer or gin poured straight out of the bottle, they don't know what they're doing - and due to early closing hours, they pound the shit down to the point where anything after 6 PM is basically the Burton/Taylor marriage minus the looks.
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[quote]CARDIFF: you have a 1 in 5 chance of ending up in a bbc recording, and a 1 in 3 chance of being glassed.
What does "glassed" mean?
|by Anonymous||reply 93||07/19/2020|
r70 see r43
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I would love to explore all of the UK (I've only been to London (twice), and then in Southampton briefly for a cruise.) But I don't think I could handle driving there. I guess I could go by train. It would be fun to spend a whole month just traversing the island.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||07/19/2020|
Agree for a drinking culture, the paucity of decent mixed drinks in favor of beer is annoying. How are they all not bloated ballooned fatties? A good vodka soda is a rarity - they serve them in little glasses that provide about 3 sips.
|by Anonymous||reply 96||07/19/2020|
R96 It's because the food is so horrible, no one eats. Daily calories from booze only.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||07/19/2020|
R92 Having a tree within 5 metres (16ft) of your house can cause subsidence on our mainly clay/chalk soils, so the home insurance companies either dramatically increase your premiums or refuse you cover (which will also increase your future premiums with another insurer)
The narrowness of the streets makes it almost impossible to have a tree at the front of your house without fucking up your insurance.
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R93. This is a glassing.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||07/19/2020|
The hatred of trees in UK and Ireland is such a cultural difference. Leafy areas are sought after in US. We have Tree City awards for towns with most/best trees.
|by Anonymous||reply 100||07/19/2020|
[quote]Brits drink ginormously
We do, witness PM Boris playing us all by talking up pubs re-opening on 'Super Saturday' and beyond.
I'm always however impressed by (and a shade envious of) people I know who Don't Drink.
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R100 Trees and brick or stone houses close to each other can cause terrible problems in the UK.
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Those odd little treeless "gardens" in front of those, what I call, townhomes always struck me as weird as well as the big places a la Downton Abby just plopped down with no shade trees nearby. I never thought insurance was a concern. Someone once told me that a large walk in closet in the UK would be considered a room there and taxed accordingly. True?
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R75, I love Brighton but I used to go there regularly about a decade ago and West St was horrible at night. Police running about, fights in the street, seeing a guy with blood rushing out his head, and I remember one night someone set fire to a load of bins, etc. I wasn't scared of being beaten up because I was gay, there was just a general 'what the fuck are you looking at?' vibe. I'm not frightened of drunk people or drug users and I don't equate either with an area being bad but there were a lot of users in Kemptown as well and a lot of muggings. I'm going back a decade and it's probably all mellowed since then. My days of partying and travelling a lot for work are over now, though the town described by R92 sounds like fun.
|by Anonymous||reply 104||07/19/2020|
The Appalachians are crazy beautiful and primordial and vaguely creepy. Visiting my father, ho retired around there, I was driving a winding mountain road and suddenly off to the side, perched on the hillside, was a ramshackle cabin that looked more like a lean to with a big pot of something boiling out front. Looked like it was straight out of a movie set in the 1800s. I half expected Granny Clampett to come out.
|by Anonymous||reply 105||07/19/2020|
R103 It wouldn't really matter if you had a large walk in closet as property taxes are based on the total value of home. The average payment is under £2000 a year.
You can live in a £30million house in Kensington & Chelsea and pay less than £2,500 a year.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||07/19/2020|
Grimsby. The name says it all.
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Good on your father, R105 - retired ho’s deserve respect too.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||07/19/2020|
Manchester has a bad atmosphere. I was once hit by a flying, broken beer glass in a club. I had just come for the weekend to see a friend who lived there. I have reluctantly gone back to see my friend, but I find the people confrontational and angry.
I lived in London for many years, and knew lots of people, friends and colleagues, who were mugged. I became increasingly concerned about the increase in knife and gun crime, so I left. It seems even worse now.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||07/19/2020|
An ex-pat friend said he feels safer in the states even with guns than he did in London because of so much violence in clubs and in the streets. He was stabbed in a pub in London by some football nut. He said just walking home at night was dangerous. He just said Americans are calmer, friendlier drunks.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||07/19/2020|
Sorry to hear that, R98. The meanest residential area of NYC is still marked by tree-lined streets - and you'd be amazed what a boon they are. Shade in summer, color in fall, decorated for winter and just a civilizing aspect all round.
|by Anonymous||reply 111||07/19/2020|
For a comedic and somewhat lunatic glimpse at violent dilapidated inner-city living, here’s a musical interlude from vintage BBC3 comedy MONGRELS.
|by Anonymous||reply 112||07/19/2020|
R110, violence in the US is a very real and deadly thing. But violence in the UK seems completely random.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||07/19/2020|
Liverpool is a shithole.
|by Anonymous||reply 114||07/19/2020|
Which has the higher murder rate: St. Mary Mead or Cabot Cove?
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R111 We do have tree lined streets in the UK, but they invariably have to be planted in the pavement (sidewalk) by the local authority so that they are far enough from the houses. Local authorities aren't too keen on having too many streets with them because they have to maintain them.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||07/19/2020|
The States = non-U
|by Anonymous||reply 118||07/19/2020|
I have been to York. The very first guy I met made a fist and kind of pantomimed punching me in the face. It was odd.
Loved the walls, and the snickleways, though.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||07/19/2020|
He wanted you to fist him R119.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||07/19/2020|
Damn, wish I'd had you there as an interpreter r120.
|by Anonymous||reply 121||07/19/2020|
Both Portsmouths are rough, R82.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||07/19/2020|
I realize you said it too, but having pop stars around isn't any sort of excuse.
|by Anonymous||reply 123||07/19/2020|
Violence in Britain is definitely more random. You can get attacked on the street in a nice, even posh area. In the US that's mostly confined to neighborhoods you know to never set foot in.
American here, BTW. I've visited London regularly for 20 years, and I never cease to be amazed at the fistfights and brawling in the street in decent, nice areas. That's something you'd never see on the Upper East Side or in Back Bay or Beacon Hill in Boston. Even more lower middle-class areas in the US don't have that much street brawling. You really have to go to places that are 100% ghetto for that. And of course "respectable" people never traverse to such areas in the US.
|by Anonymous||reply 124||07/19/2020|
On the south coast, Portsmouth. Massive shithole.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||07/19/2020|
London. Full of politicians, pedos, Saudi princes, Russians and drug addicts.
|by Anonymous||reply 126||07/19/2020|
Everyone in the UK being drunk 24/7 doesn't help matters.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||07/19/2020|
[quote] Everyone in the UK being drunk 24/7 doesn't help matters.
I quite like being drunk.
|by Anonymous||reply 128||07/19/2020|
I do too, r128. That is one thing we should have kept from the 1950s, everyone being kind of drunk all the time.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||07/19/2020|
Yes, the US wins a point (because we are only drunk as fuck all day on weekends).
|by Anonymous||reply 130||07/19/2020|
At the office in the City of London where I worked as a young'un, the partners started drinking sherry at 11am, then went to a boozy lunch which lasted until 3pm; they got back to sign the letters out which they had dictated before elevenses then got the 4.15 back to Esher or wherever, after that I suppose it was cocktails and boozy dinner until lights out and start again the next day. That was the weekdays; weekends I am not sure of but I think it was less routine that at the office. They made a lot of money.
|by Anonymous||reply 131||07/19/2020|
R109 Manchester is a pretty big city, even the City Centre has good and bad areas. Your friend should have chosen a better bar/club to take you to.
The violence in the UK isn't unpredictable if you are a Brit, you can usually see it coming a mile away. We also generally know the bars to avoid and specifically when to avoid them, local soccer match days are usually something to watch for if you are a tourist.
|by Anonymous||reply 132||07/19/2020|
R128, we've noticed
|by Anonymous||reply 133||07/19/2020|
[quote] The violence in the UK isn't unpredictable if you are a Brit
You must be one of those rough Brits R132.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||07/19/2020|
We call it 'Streetwise', you should always know where the nearest Taxi (cab) rank is.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||07/19/2020|
[quote] We call it 'Streetwise', you should always know where the nearest Taxi (cab) rank is.
Rough trade R135.
|by Anonymous||reply 136||07/19/2020|
The american term would be street smarts. if you have lived in urban environments where crime is a possibility you instinctively keep an eye out casing your surroundings, stay cognizant about where you are walking.
|by Anonymous||reply 137||07/19/2020|
Looks guys, unless you are into risk, stay safe. Keeping an eye out; knowing where to get a cab: this stuff is b/s from fragile queens trying to sound butch who would be the first victims if they were out and about alone in these shithole districts.
|by Anonymous||reply 138||07/19/2020|
This thread can probably be closed now with the thought that R135 is a brittle queer.
|by Anonymous||reply 139||07/19/2020|
There was a documentary about Swansea that showed it as being quite trashy. It reminded me what the small Vancouver island town I grew up in used to be like. That part of Canada was largely settled by the English too.
|by Anonymous||reply 140||07/19/2020|
Swansea is in Wales, R140.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||07/19/2020|
My sister went to University at Swansea, and met her Arab boyfriend there. When they would go out together at night on Vine Street they would always get abuse shouted at them, racial and otherwise. My sister’s fella got glass thrown at him and all sorts. That said, he didn’t integrate as best he could and used to pick fights first with both the local white lads and the Chinese/Japanese immigrant students when he was drunk enough, as well....
As for the area itself, mixed bag. The beaches and the windswept hill walks in Swansea are gorgeous - the Gower in the particular is breathtaking. The gentrified boardwalk is also quite lovely, very idyllic if you’re into sand and beachside cafes; if you’re a watersports enthusiast you’ll be well pleased with the area too. The seafood restaurants are divine. Venturing away from the beach into the city proper is asking for it, though. One could argue also that factories surrounding that pump their shit into the sea somewhat ruin the experience.
|by Anonymous||reply 142||07/20/2020|
^^its Wind Street, of course. Autocorrect🙄
|by Anonymous||reply 143||07/20/2020|
Pretty much the whole North East of England.
But yes there are trashy vile people everywhere, even in the Home Counties!
|by Anonymous||reply 144||07/20/2020|
R128 what is this imposter??
|by Anonymous||reply 145||07/20/2020|
R144 one might even say especially in the Home Counties (vile vs trashy).
|by Anonymous||reply 146||07/20/2020|
Walford, London. Very high death rate, especially during the holidays.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||07/20/2020|
This looks like a nice, quiet area of London.
|by Anonymous||reply 148||07/20/2020|
Which part of UK is the poshest? West London?
|by Anonymous||reply 149||07/20/2020|
R149 There are “posh” parts of every area of London. These areas live side-by-side with “trashy” parts. It’s one of the things that makes London great. You can travel five or ten minutes in any direction and be in a nice area or a shit one.
There’s so much hate for London on DL that makes me wonder if those slagging it off have ever even been here.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||07/20/2020|
The randomness of knife violence can be frightening.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||07/20/2020|
I was walking through Covent Garden one night around ten when some kid charges me, throws me against a building and yells: give me a fucking cigarette!
Another time I was walking through central near Trafalgar Square late - one maybe - weeknight and I realized how dead London was. Taxis were scarce... it was dim... you could see people moving in the shadows of the square but it wasn't clear who or why. I felt very ill at ease. I had been going to London for twenty years and remember thinking you're an idiot... you think you know this place but here you are wandering around alone at one in the morning in one of the biggest cities in the world... that's inviting trouble. So I figured there had to be a taxi rank at a station and got my stupid ass to Charing Cross fast.
There is a lot of pent up anger and hostility in the UK... it boils over constantly. A friend who lives there said this is really third world country with a fresh coat of paint.
|by Anonymous||reply 152||07/20/2020|
My sense is it’s primarily alcohol based. With that said, not having guns makes it like playland compared to the US.
|by Anonymous||reply 153||07/20/2020|
British are basically all alcoholics by other countries' standard right?
|by Anonymous||reply 154||07/20/2020|
The entire dynamic is different, R153.
Violence in the US is split along clear lines: racial/economic/geographic
Once, walking in The City, I saw three men in suits and with briefcases, drunk and screaming with laughter, roughly shoving a much older man into the street and laughing when he fell. The equivalent in Wall Street simply would not occur. Violence in the UK is everywhere. Polo matches. Airport terminals. Art Galleries. Football games. Leave your house and some liquored-up cunt whose life isn't perfect may well decide to take a swing at you.
|by Anonymous||reply 155||07/20/2020|
Yeah, like I said, everyone being drunk 24/7 is an issue.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||07/20/2020|
In the US, if someone is screaming at you, it’s most likely that they’re psychotic and not receiving help. For the most part, despite all the ugly Karen and Kevin stuff on SM, in reality I enjoy walking around almost in any neighborhood and talking to people. I’m in New Orleans, land of “hey baby, watcha doin” and “hon, ya take it easy now, ya hear?”
|by Anonymous||reply 157||07/20/2020|
[quote]There is a lot of pent up anger and hostility in the UK... it boils over constantly.
Small country, densely populated, wealth divide ever greater, rich and poor often cheek by jowl, vile tabloids, deep Brexit fissures, lingering class system, best days behind us, drink culture. All the ugly anecdotes here ring true, but it's remarkable the boiling over is contained to the extent that it is.
|by Anonymous||reply 158||07/20/2020|
"Violence in the UK is everywhere. Polo matches. Airport terminals. Art Galleries. Football games. Leave your house and some liquored-up cunt whose life isn't perfect may well decide to take a swing at you."
Violence is everywhere in the US
|by Anonymous||reply 159||07/20/2020|
The Pizza Express in Woking
|by Anonymous||reply 160||07/20/2020|
r159 you don't risk getting the shit kicked out of you in random public places, or witnessing a brawl, in the US like you do in the UK. I've seen fistfights in the street in expensive London neighborhoods many times. You just don't see that kind of behavior on the Upper East Side or West Hollywood or similar places in the US.
|by Anonymous||reply 161||07/20/2020|
I dare you to find an art gallery brawl in the US R159.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||07/20/2020|
I’ve been to London, Manchester, York, Bath, Glasgow, several times in the past decade, I must be lucky because while I have encountered loud sloppy fall on your face drunks M & F at night in a few of these cities, I haven’t been roughed up or confronted like some of the posters here.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||07/20/2020|
R159 - yeah, bullshit.
|by Anonymous||reply 164||07/20/2020|
Americans are fat and sedated. We're cattle, bred to be docile with all the fight and fuck and drink and life beaten out of us. But we sure like antidepressants!
How about Somerset, specifically Shepton-Mallet?
|by Anonymous||reply 165||07/20/2020|
r164 - bullshit right back at you.
The UK doesn't have a different mass shooting every week
|by Anonymous||reply 166||07/20/2020|
No, you riff-raff just beat each other up on the sidewalk all fucking day long.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||07/20/2020|
Yes, because there's no "riff-raff" in the US
|by Anonymous||reply 168||07/20/2020|
Girls, girls- we're all terrible!
|by Anonymous||reply 169||07/20/2020|
There is plenty of riff-raff in the US. The point we are making is that US riff-raff tends to stay in its zone. In the UK, the riff-raff are free to wander - to hunt and feed - to mate, as other wild creatures do - and howl with each savage thrust. Post office - train station - nunnery - it matters not! And truly the behavior of UK riff-raff knows no class distinction. Why, the Prime Minister is famous for belonging to an exclusive club at university - did it host formal dances and croquet games and cognac tastings and string quintets? No! It drunkenly smashed up restaurants. Pip pip!
|by Anonymous||reply 170||07/20/2020|
The other thing might be that most British people aren't afraid of the Police becoming involved, in general they are very reasonable and are pretty loathe to arrest you for fighting.
We also have to deal with the police in other circumstances. If a sudden death occurs (even natural causes) your main point of contact with the Coroner will be a uniformed police officer (Coroner's Officer), who will do their best to help you.
They also get involved in lots of community projects, for the most part they're very pleasant.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||07/20/2020|
They attack you with hammers in the UK.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||07/20/2020|
Lol. The whole of the UK is trashy. That's why they ransacked older civilisations. They're the successful Vandals of the C17th to twentieth century.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||07/20/2020|
R171 That's the difference between police in the UK and US.
In the UK the police are there to help you. In the US they're there to fuck you up no matter what you've done.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||07/20/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 175||07/20/2020|
All these exciting things that have happened to people! As a native who has been far from shy and retiring the worst that has ever happened to me was getting done on a deal for coke in Soho. I'm feeling a bit disappointed that I've missed out on all the action.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||07/20/2020|
R172, people have been attacked with hammers in the US
And in the US, cops kill thousands of people, fewer people in the UK are victims of police brutality
|by Anonymous||reply 177||07/20/2020|
We're not saying the US is safer, we're just saying the UK has a trashier style of violence.
|by Anonymous||reply 178||07/20/2020|
What's Belfast like?
|by Anonymous||reply 179||07/20/2020|
LOL, the UK is not trashier than the US
|by Anonymous||reply 180||07/20/2020|
LOL, that's not the point.
|by Anonymous||reply 181||07/20/2020|
R179 You probably wouldn't have liked it 30 years ago, but it's OK now.
Don't expect to understand a word that any of the locals say, they will understand you though.
|by Anonymous||reply 182||07/20/2020|
What's Ballymena, North Ireland like?
|by Anonymous||reply 183||07/20/2020|
There is a little bit of intimidation in large parts of the US - it’s very possible the other person is carrying a gun. It’s especially true in dangerous places - like Chicago. You really do think twice - even when drunk - in places where guns and shootings are prevalent. You don’t start shit with random people. Which seems to happen more in UK - drunk twenty somethings showing bravado. In parts of Chicago - or many violent places in US - people are aware a simple disagreement can escalate to shooting easily.
|by Anonymous||reply 184||07/20/2020|
Debatable R180. Look at the annual Aintree Ladies Day.
|by Anonymous||reply 185||07/20/2020|
Belfast has a dark, menacing undertone in my experience. Maybe it’s changed recently, but there was always the threat that the other person was part of the opposing gang (IRA/Unionist) that seems to inhibit interaction of any kind. You always had to be aware of whether it’s a Catholic or Protestant bar - and avoid any discussion. Except by the University, mich of the city felt very threatening. In general, a really lame scene - even the 1 or 2 gay bars were really unfriendly. No one chooses to be there was my sense.
|by Anonymous||reply 186||07/20/2020|
I just Googled Ballymena. Sounds horrible.
"Ballymena is the buckle in Northern Ireland's Bible belt, the seat of the Paisley family and a place that has been likened to 1960s Mississippi. It is rural, conservative, mainly born-again Christian and predominantly Protestant.."
|by Anonymous||reply 187||07/20/2020|
Fuck you DL for not letting me post images of shitty toilets for a Paisley family seat joke.
|by Anonymous||reply 188||07/20/2020|
I was also going to make joke about his book on the Revised English Bible as the work of the Antichrist, but then I looked at the bibliography on his wikipedia entry and realized he wrote similar books about at least three different translations. What a cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 189||07/20/2020|
R182, I thought of going to art school in Belfast 30 years ago. I took a different path.
|by Anonymous||reply 190||07/20/2020|
Liam Neeson is from Ballymena
|by Anonymous||reply 191||07/20/2020|
I'd say the overworking R20 has Welsh (as in her "Taffys") ancestry but has a closer Merseyside connection and has never been to Ulster but made it to Glasgow twice. Certainly any Highlander would schiltron her off a cliff on sight.
|by Anonymous||reply 192||07/20/2020|
R74, having lived in Kensington, I agree. Headed to South Ken and despite the tourists that was much better.
But everything that attempts to compare the drunk bus-and-train riders in the UK to anything in the US is naive. The gun stuff notwithstanding. British people with a lack of education and hope just stagger around begging for a beating. But I feel fine anywhere all through the night in the streets anywhere in Greater London, and I wouldn't walk around the block after dark in my hometown in the US any more.
|by Anonymous||reply 193||07/20/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 194||07/20/2020|
R185, but only after you put on these special protective goggles.
|by Anonymous||reply 195||07/20/2020|
R192 True I have Welsh agricultural roots - however did you know? You’re not doxxing or stalking me, are you? - but I’ve never spent any significant time in the North and haven’t any Northern blood as far as I know, either. Believe it or not, by design I’ve never been anywhere further North in England myself than Leicester. My intel about the so-called ‘Province of York’ comes second-hand from a Manc girlfriend I used to have in College (who turned out to be quite an awful wench, story for another time...)
If you want the full story I’m a third Taffy farming stock (Pembrokeshire extraction, if you must know), a third Three Counties (native and very proud), and a third Eastend scum in my unending secret shame thanks to my dear old Nan (I don’t tell people this off anon or in real life but my great-granddad was a Barrow-boy; can’t get much fucking worse than that, can you?)
As for our neighbours, I have paid visits to both on business. It wasn’t for long in either case, for obvious reasons if you read the rest of the thread. Scotland in particular is fascinating and culturally lush, but also absolutely fucking terrifying if you’re English. I have a respect for both nations at a distance, provided no-one threatens to run me off a cliff with pike & poleaxe ever again (not the done thing, in my country).
You’re welcome for the laugh, as well. Glad my original post in all its levity wasn’t received with any faces like a slapped arse..
|by Anonymous||reply 196||07/20/2020|
[quote]What's Belfast like?
I visited Belfast several years ago. I could've got down on my hands and knees and kissed the ground that my great-grandparents got on that fucking boat and GTFO of there to go to America. My great-grandmother lived for 60 years after leaving Belfast and never returned. After being there, I completely understood why.
|by Anonymous||reply 197||07/20/2020|
The only reason that Belfast has a steadily increasing population is because of the Catholic contraception rules and because abortion was banned until it was eventually imposed by Westminster (UK Government).
Everyone else gets the fuck out of there.
|by Anonymous||reply 198||07/20/2020|
R190 The bullets and the bombs' discouraged a lot of art students 30 years ago
|by Anonymous||reply 199||07/20/2020|
How do Scousers rate?
|by Anonymous||reply 200||07/20/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 201||07/20/2020|
It is best not to go out after dark in the UK. In the winter it meant coming home from work after dark; the mornings weren't dangerous much. Never, ever go out on Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights. If you have to go out of an evening then its Monday to Thursday only; you make sure how you get to and from your place of entertainment safely, preferably in a cab or your own car; it's best to invite friends to dinner/be invited to dinner with friends and avoid the whole public contact thing. That way you may be able to avoid the zombie-knife wielders, not to mention the acid attacks and the violent moped robberies.
|by Anonymous||reply 202||07/20/2020|
Oh do shut up, R202.
|by Anonymous||reply 203||07/20/2020|
Why would I shut up R203?
|by Anonymous||reply 204||07/20/2020|
Because you're making a fool of yourself by widening the occurrence of moped robberies from the couple of square miles where it actually happens to the entire country, suggesting acid attacks (which occur at a rate of 600 in 65,500,000) is actually a common event, and asserting that knife crime (which is mostly connected to gang warfare) is something a tourist is likely to be exposed to.
|by Anonymous||reply 205||07/20/2020|
In any event, most Britons are too drunk to wield knives properly. Most of the time you can get away with superficial wounds only.
|by Anonymous||reply 206||07/20/2020|
I lived there for far too long, and survived: take my advice at R202.
|by Anonymous||reply 207||07/20/2020|
My favorite take on American violence.
|by Anonymous||reply 208||07/20/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 209||07/20/2020|
R209 I had the misfortune to be in Hull, in a pub, when some moron asked for a gin and tonic. The barmaid first pretended she couldn't understand his accent, but then got him a gin and tonic. The other 'patrons' who were all men (only female whores go into pubs in Hull) were wasted, I assume on the tenth of the daily twelfth pint of beer (bitter) and didn't notice the gin and tonic 'incident' or it could have turned nasty. The UK government uses beer and liquor as the opium of the masses and taxes beer and liquor UP TO THE HILT; so the electorate is pacified while the govt makes money, lots.
|by Anonymous||reply 210||07/20/2020|
St. Mary Mead
|by Anonymous||reply 211||07/20/2020|
A bottle of Scotch costs more in Scotland than in GA (or Italy).
|by Anonymous||reply 212||07/20/2020|
All UK citizens are scroungers.
|by Anonymous||reply 213||07/20/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 214||07/20/2020|
[quote] All UK citizens are scroungers.
That's true and the US is going in that direction.
|by Anonymous||reply 215||07/20/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 216||07/20/2020|
Wherever Owen Jones is at the moment.
|by Anonymous||reply 217||07/20/2020|
R200, you gotta watch your wallets with Scousers
|by Anonymous||reply 218||07/21/2020|
R213 you can say that again, darlin’.
|by Anonymous||reply 219||07/21/2020|
Visiting the UK, I once visited friends who were living in Bethnal Green. We got the train and walked to their apartment block. It was rough. I was fucking terrified. So terrified that I actually clutched my satchel bag. I've never seen anything else as bad.
|by Anonymous||reply 220||07/21/2020|
R220 Was this fifty years ago? Bethnal Green is one of the most gentrified areas of London.
|by Anonymous||reply 221||07/21/2020|
R20 / R196, I think I love you. Are you hetero?
|by Anonymous||reply 222||07/21/2020|
Is this just a trash-fest or can some nuanced thoughts barge in?
Have any of you seen "Of Time and the City", Terrence Davies' paean to Liverpool, where he was born and grew up in the 1930s-1950s? It's 2008 and it's the contradictory yet somehow coherent feelings of love for the city he grew up in, in all its grime and poverty - a young gay boy growing up Catholic in Liverpool (which has a beautiful Catholic cathedral). The footage of ordinary people living in those council houses is extraordinary as is the narration (Davies himself) and the score.
I bring it up because it adds some depth to the "trashy" and "shithole" narratives here. Britain has always been home, as Davies points out, to some of the worst slums in Europe, and that has been true for far longer than most Americans stuck in Jane Austen's and Miss Marple's St. Mary Meade environs realise.
Davies' documentary shows that despite the poverty there was a sense of community and values at work that bound the inhabitants together and to place. You see the women scrubbing the front steps of the council houses, the little girls going off to school in clean clothes and hair ribbons, the bank holiday crowds . . .
The film points out that the sense of community that informed many of those places (the Tyneside is another example) is something that the postwar era drained out of those places. Davies stayed on in the city he loved until the late 1960s, when he finally realised that that "place" was gone, and you see how the modern cinderblock towers covered in graffiti with broken elevators that replaced the old council houses that still howed carved lintels and other work on them, and that allowed for a stronger "street" community.
The post war era did for Britain - and it wasn't the loss of empire, it was the loss of identity. The swingin' sixties covered that up for awhile, but the rot was in.
Not every place does well with modernity and change. I won't say "none" - from what I can see, Newcastle is in better shape re extreme poverty and disease than it was in the 1950s.
But other places lost what made them feel as if they belonged to something and they loved it with its imperfections - and just got left with the imperfections. Cornwall, for all its poverty, retains the sense of a shared belonging and identity - Cornwall in fact has some special status - not quite Wales but not quite England, either.
Essex, Bradford, Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds, Luton, Rochdale - lost something after WWII that counterbalanced poverty.
For a look at how and why someone once loved places like this - when they were just as poor but not "trashy", Davies' documentary is a must see.
As for London: Samuel Johnson famously said "When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life."
That was true until, in my view about 1985. It no longer is.
The loss of national soul and identity afflicts all of Britain these days - it just shows more in Rochdale than in Mayfair, or in immigrant enclaves where Somalis, Nigerians, Muslims generally, etc., have something additional to identify with.
It is no accident that white working class boys are doing the worst both academically and socially of any youth group in Britain.
Hence those revolting chavs on the trains you saw.
You get rather a different view of those "chavs" in films of the 1950s and 1960s - Saturday Night and Sunday Morning, The Loneliness of the Long Distance Runner, Billy Liar . . .
Now, it's Trainspotting.
Sic transit gloria.
|by Anonymous||reply 223||07/21/2020|
^*The film was made in 2008 (not "it is" 2008)
It won a slew of awards, as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 224||07/21/2020|
R222 I am one among the beleaguered class of Lesbian, my love. Sorry!
Plus given my lowly background I’m not exactly a prize catch, even for a Lavender marriage. It would all get a bit My Fair Lady.
Are there really no nobbers from Kensington or Surrey or the Cotswolds hanging about here, anymore? It feels like all the British posters left on the board are either lower-middle-class English or Irish.
|by Anonymous||reply 225||07/21/2020|
R225 We're too busy heading into London for the next BLM demonstration to post here.
|by Anonymous||reply 226||07/21/2020|
Where is the house they show as the residence of Hyacinth and Richard Bucket?
|by Anonymous||reply 227||07/21/2020|
I would be a lesbian with [R225] She’s a clever one. Too bad there’s the Atlantic in the way!
|by Anonymous||reply 228||07/21/2020|
What about New Glockenshire??
|by Anonymous||reply 229||07/21/2020|
The Buckets live in Surbiton.
|by Anonymous||reply 230||07/21/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 231||07/21/2020|
Kensington and Chelsea, Belgravia, Mayfair, Knightsbridge in London. Full of ruthless, shady, immoral rich people. Russian oligarchs buying up houses on Eaton Square.
|by Anonymous||reply 232||07/21/2020|
The usa and the uk both need to quit selling real estate to foreigners.
|by Anonymous||reply 233||07/21/2020|
Vivien Leigh lived on Eaton Square, before the Russians got there.
|by Anonymous||reply 234||07/21/2020|
Let Kerry and Kurtan be your guides!
|by Anonymous||reply 235||07/21/2020|
[quote]The Buckets live in Surbiton.
Surbiton seems like it's in the London area. I got the impression they lived in a completely different part of the country, since they never refer to going to London.
|by Anonymous||reply 236||07/21/2020|
"Exterior shots around Hyacinth's house were recorded at 117 Heather Road in the village of Binley Woods, Warwickshire, east of Coventry. Exterior shots around Daisy's and Onslow's council terrace were taken in Stoke Aldermoor in Coventry."
|by Anonymous||reply 237||07/21/2020|
The trashiest part of the UK?
Wherever a member of the Trump family is visiting...
|by Anonymous||reply 238||07/21/2020|
So, R238, Boris Johnson's sweet, sweet mouth?
|by Anonymous||reply 239||07/21/2020|
R230 Surbiton was 'The Good Life' which was about a couple using their suburban home to become self sufficient. The real stars of it were their next door neighbours Margo & Jerry Leadbetter.
|by Anonymous||reply 240||07/21/2020|
Midsomer looks like a charming place to live, except for the high rate of murder there.
|by Anonymous||reply 241||07/21/2020|
What's Burnley like? That's the only football team I follow, er, support.
|by Anonymous||reply 242||07/21/2020|
Ah, 'The Good Life', such fond memories. Dame Penelope Keith as Margo... she had some outfits!
|by Anonymous||reply 243||07/21/2020|
Margo the imperious
|by Anonymous||reply 244||07/21/2020|
For years I was convinced that Penelope Keith was actually a man in drag.
|by Anonymous||reply 245||07/21/2020|
When I think of my time in Liverpool, I think of the excessive use of the word cunt, drinking, spitting, kicking, more drinking, more fighting. And these were just the ladies. English roses, my ass!
|by Anonymous||reply 246||07/21/2020|
[quote] For years I was convinced that Penelope Keith was actually a man in drag.
|by Anonymous||reply 247||07/21/2020|
R242 The Pakistani community seem to like Burnley, the only place in Lancashire they like better is Blackburn.
|by Anonymous||reply 248||07/21/2020|
[quote] Would most consider Onslow and Daisy trash? They seem educated, always reading in bed. Just poor. Rose on the other hand.
I've been rewatching Keeping Up Appearances lately and noticed that in one episode Onslow was reading a book called Principles of Condensed Matter Physics. In the same episode Hyacinth's husband Richard was reading Barbara Vine's No Night Is Too Long which, as many of us know, is a gay mystery novel.
And yes, Daisy and Onslow most definitely were trash.
|by Anonymous||reply 249||07/21/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 250||07/21/2020|
R242 The Proposed new Mosque in Burnley looks impressive, much better than the 3 they currently have in the town. I think they've started building now.
|by Anonymous||reply 251||07/21/2020|
R250 Rochdale became part of Greater Manchester in 1974 as part of the 1972 Local Government Act, it doesn't count as Lancashire now.
It's not improved it it any way though.
|by Anonymous||reply 252||07/21/2020|
R249 Daisy was always reading Harlequin-type love novels.
|by Anonymous||reply 253||07/21/2020|
Let's not forget Slough, filling people with despair since at least 1937.
"Come friendly bombs and fall on Slough! It isn’t fit for humans now, There isn’t grass to graze a cow. Swarm over, Death!
Come, bombs and blow to smithereens Those air -conditioned, bright canteens, Tinned fruit, tinned meat, tinned milk, tinned beans, Tinned minds, tinned breath.
Mess up the mess they call a town- A house for ninety-seven down And once a week a half a crown For twenty years.
And get that man with double chin Who’ll always cheat and always win, Who washes his repulsive skin In women’s tears:
And smash his desk of polished oak And smash his hands so used to stroke And stop his boring dirty joke And make him yell.
But spare the bald young clerks who add The profits of the stinking cad; It’s not their fault that they are mad, They’ve tasted Hell.
It’s not their fault they do not know The birdsong from the radio, It’s not their fault they often go To Maidenhead
And talk of sport and makes of cars In various bogus-Tudor bars And daren’t look up and see the stars But belch instead.
In labour-saving homes, with care Their wives frizz out peroxide hair And dry it in synthetic air And paint their nails.
|by Anonymous||reply 254||07/21/2020|
Rochdale, Manchester ...
|by Anonymous||reply 255||07/21/2020|
"My sense is it’s primarily alcohol based. With that said, not having guns makes it like playland compared to the US. "
Not really. For all the guns, all the bars and late bar hours, even all the mass shootings - shootings when people are simply out for the night are very rare - even where there's a lot of drunk people. You'd think the prevalence of guns would lead to all sorts of drunken confrontations ending in gunfire, but it really doesn't. Guns obviously make street crime more dangerous, but that can largely (if not completely) be avoided by staying out of known bad areas.
|by Anonymous||reply 256||07/21/2020|
R254: I just finished a rewatch of Season 1 of The Office UK, and Ricky Gervais reads Betjeman's poem at the end and slags it off. (The series still holds up and is *much* cringier than the US version.)
|by Anonymous||reply 257||07/21/2020|
Acid, knives and hammers versus guns.
|by Anonymous||reply 258||07/21/2020|
Someone mentioned Folkestone upthread. The West part of Folkestone is very pleasant, including Baden Powell's old house and the Leas. Folkestone Harbour (sic) is best avoided, like a lot of harbors.
|by Anonymous||reply 259||07/21/2020|
The only reason that the Acid and Knife crimes get reported in the press is because they are pretty rare.
Not sure where the hammer thing comes from? That would be exceptionally rare and likely linked to gang wars.
I've never been mugged or attacked in over 50 years living in Manchester and neither has any member of my extended and large family.
|by Anonymous||reply 260||07/21/2020|
R260 is Ronnie Kray.
|by Anonymous||reply 261||07/21/2020|
[quote]The usa and the uk both need to quit selling real estate to foreigners
Nah. Politicians are only concerned with the almighty buck. They want to help any and every Third World dictator who is looking for a place to invest his ill-gotten millions.
|by Anonymous||reply 262||07/21/2020|
[quote] The usa and the uk both need to quit selling real estate to foreigners
Don't forget the UK govt still charges Stamp Duty on real estate.
|by Anonymous||reply 263||07/21/2020|
What's a Croydon Facelift?
|by Anonymous||reply 264||07/21/2020|
Coventry is where The Buckets (IT'S PRONOUNCED BOOKAY!) live.
|by Anonymous||reply 265||07/21/2020|
[quote] What's a Croydon Facelift?
|by Anonymous||reply 266||07/21/2020|
Hull as a "World Capital of Miserabilism" was confirmed by poet Philip Larkin's long-standing residence there (1955-85).
|by Anonymous||reply 267||07/21/2020|
R261 Being a member of one of the criminal families here would make you a target rather than protect you.
|by Anonymous||reply 268||07/21/2020|
I think Def Leppard is from Hull. I remember Joe Elliot talking about how much they desperately wanted to get out.
|by Anonymous||reply 269||07/21/2020|
My mistake, Def Leppard is from Sheffield. But, he still talked about wanting to get out.
|by Anonymous||reply 270||07/21/2020|
A lot of the seaside towns are pretty grim these days. They send a lot of people who are on benefits to live there. Hastings was pretty nasty last time I was there.
|by Anonymous||reply 271||07/21/2020|
Here you go, OP. You're welcome.
|by Anonymous||reply 272||07/21/2020|
Hastings # 2
|by Anonymous||reply 273||07/21/2020|
Hastings # 3
|by Anonymous||reply 274||07/21/2020|
But they live much better than they did 50 years ago
Balsall Heath, Birmingham.1969
|by Anonymous||reply 275||07/21/2020|
Shepherd's Bush, London W12 - never gets better however much the houses on the side streets cost.
|by Anonymous||reply 276||07/21/2020|
[quote] from R272's link "Police Scotland figures are published separately by the Scottish government and aren't directly comparable with the Home Office statistics."
Even The Scum is scared of reporting the terrifyingly violent figures for Scotland lol!
|by Anonymous||reply 277||07/21/2020|
Funny how coastal ("seaside") towns in the UK are dumpy and full of trashy people. In the US, coastal towns are top-dollar and only well-off people can afford to live there.
|by Anonymous||reply 278||07/21/2020|
R275's pic is pitiful.
|by Anonymous||reply 279||07/21/2020|
R276 Edina lived in Shepherd's Bush but she called it Holland Park (next subway stop along, different world).
|by Anonymous||reply 280||07/21/2020|
That's true, R278.
But, there must be trashy coastal towns somewhere in the US, even if your point is largely true. Somewhere on the Gulf Coast, some random place in Maine? Good trivia question - what's a trashy American seaside town?
|by Anonymous||reply 281||07/21/2020|
[R278] I have often wondered about that.
R281, I would say that Atlantic City, some of the NC and DE beaches and much of the Texas Coast is pretty trashy. And there are the industrial and military port areas. But they are exceptions. Most of the US coastline is either protected or seen as desirable or fashionable. Some of the old resort communities are among the nicest places in the US. Old resorts in the UK are invariably horrible. I assume the proximity of Europe made traveling there easier for upper-income Brits and the UK coastline was left to their social inferiors.
|by Anonymous||reply 282||07/21/2020|
Daily Fail links are hit and miss. But every year I look forward to their pictures of the New Year's festivities.
|by Anonymous||reply 283||07/21/2020|
The other reason that British people aren't keen on living on the East and West coasts is our 9 month long winters (and not much better summers).
You would have to tolerate Gale force winds and Torrential rain for a large part of the year. It's fine to have a house for summer on the coast, but living there year round would make you suicidal.
|by Anonymous||reply 284||07/21/2020|
The weather's so awful in England who wants to live near a cold grey sea all year round?
|by Anonymous||reply 285||07/21/2020|
I've been to some pretty awful and depressing coastal communities near NYC. But they do have long hot summers.
|by Anonymous||reply 286||07/21/2020|
Mar-a-Lago is quite trashy these days, lots of Atlantic City types there now.
|by Anonymous||reply 287||07/21/2020|
Pic didn't post, This would be your life for three quarters of the year.
|by Anonymous||reply 288||07/21/2020|
Oh, to be in England now that summer is here!
|by Anonymous||reply 289||07/21/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 290||07/21/2020|
Or it could snow for a bit of variety.
|by Anonymous||reply 291||07/21/2020|
I've been to some pretty grim seaside towns in the North of France.
I think they were so battered in WWII and weren't rebuilt with any thought or love.
|by Anonymous||reply 292||07/21/2020|
[quote]Or it could snow for a bit of variety.
Rarely even that, girlfriend. A bit of icy cold slush every 5 years
|by Anonymous||reply 293||07/21/2020|
I think the New England Coast can look quite bleak in the winter, but it is still beautiful. The Pacific Northwest is often stormy, and that's also one of the loveliest areas in the country.
Speaking to an above poster's questions, I can't think of anywhere in Maine's coast that I would call "trashy." "Blue-collar," sure. But the behavior you see at a place like Blackpool is not a Maine thing.
|by Anonymous||reply 294||07/21/2020|
I've been posting pics of Blackpool not Margate, Blackpool gets snow and gales every year.
|by Anonymous||reply 295||07/21/2020|
yes, the poor scots on the gardening shows last week were wearing jackets.
|by Anonymous||reply 296||07/21/2020|
R294, I guess I didn't mean "trashy" in the sense of personal behavior. I mean in terms of the coastal town being rundown and dumpy, lack of amenities, not a nice place. As has been noted, most places on the coast in the U.S. are desirable.
|by Anonymous||reply 297||07/21/2020|
There must be some places in Maine, R297, but it's been such a middle and upper class destination for so long, it's hard to think of one on the coast itself that's actually a Class A dump as opposed to "a bit sleepy and weathered".
|by Anonymous||reply 298||07/21/2020|
I really missed America last time I went to the Isle of Wight which is supposed to be so nice. The equivalent in the USA would be so much more stylish, in terms of shops and eateries and lodgings...as I kept reminding my BF.
& I don't like Cornwall neaalry as much as most people seem to.
|by Anonymous||reply 299||07/21/2020|
r73s list is funny but not very helpful because it tells you the bad with key cities but not the good. Where should gays go?
|by Anonymous||reply 300||07/21/2020|
The other thing might be that British people don't go on vacation in The UK any longer on the whole, so the coastal Towns don't really get much investment. I've only ever seen the coast of England from a plane window for the past 40+ years.
We sort of killed these places off ourselves.
|by Anonymous||reply 301||07/21/2020|
[quote]The other thing might be that British people don't go on vacation in The UK any longer on the whole, so the coastal Towns don't really get much investment.
My grandparents used to go to a fancy hotel in Bournemouth since the end of WWII. But it had to shut down eventually because everyone went abroad. They built a block of flats on the site and named it after the hotel.
|by Anonymous||reply 302||07/21/2020|
R288 is Blackpool
|by Anonymous||reply 303||07/21/2020|
Daily Fail link
|by Anonymous||reply 304||07/21/2020|
These pics are ghastly, poor things. This was the Welfare State, as was. The pics show quite a lot of affection between the poverty-stricken folk esp toward the children.
|by Anonymous||reply 305||07/21/2020|
At one point last year London had a higher murder rate than New York City. I remember reading about it, though I don't know whether that lasted the whole year or just that part of it(I think it was up to March or April). Crime has taken a large upturn in the last few months in New York City but even without guns London was pretty violent.
|by Anonymous||reply 306||07/21/2020|
R302 It's also the journey times within the UK that discourage you from visiting even the nice places. It takes 6 to 7 hours to drive from Manchester to Hayle in Cornwall (if you are lucky with traffic, 8 hours by train). I can be in Italy or Greece faster and get better and cheaper accommodation, with pretty much guaranteed nice weather.
|by Anonymous||reply 307||07/21/2020|
R307 The UK makes me laugh with their "travel times" In the US most people don't bat an eye for a 6 hour road trip. May not be something they want to do every week, but it's not exactly considered a hindrance to going on vacation.
|by Anonymous||reply 308||07/21/2020|
Seriously, r308. Americans drive six hours for a long weekend trip.
|by Anonymous||reply 309||07/21/2020|
[quote]Seriously, [R308]. Americans drive six hours for a long weekend trip.
Those gurls is NUTZ!
|by Anonymous||reply 310||07/21/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 311||07/21/2020|
R308 You can't travel to Puglia in Southern Italy (or lots of other warm European Countries) in under 3 hours for less than $150 return, we can. It seems like a lot of effort to us when the weather might be terrible when you arrive. See grim UK up thread..
|by Anonymous||reply 312||07/21/2020|
R309, right? I've done it numerous times and longer. The drive itself can be interesting and it's cheaper than flying so. I have a 70 year old Uncle who still regularly drives to North Carolina from the NYC area(let's hope that doesn't continue for much longer, maybe it won't with the COVID travel restrictions). I believe UK roadways are not as optimized for long trips but still 6 or 7 hours a couple times a year? Especially with all that vacation time they get in the UK, they can fly to Greece for a week and still have plenty of time left over to take a 7 hour drive to the coast of the UK at some other time of the year with some days left over to "recover" from that terribly awful loooooong drive. :D
|by Anonymous||reply 313||07/21/2020|
Does fuel cost $9-10 a gallon in the US? Add that in as a minus.
It's obviously cheaper than normal here at the moment, flying is way less expensive.
|by Anonymous||reply 314||07/21/2020|
R305 Nice video, but that isn't 40 years ago (1980) it's more like 60-70 (late 50's, early 60's).
The clothes and hairstyles are a big giveaway, if it'd been 1980 the women would have had a 'Purdey/Farrah' Hairstyle and shoulder pads under their aprons.
|by Anonymous||reply 315||07/21/2020|
That's really got nothing to do with it, I've seen people from the UK whining about it taking an hour to go see their parents so they only do it twice a year(I'm sure it's an excuse to not see their parents more than anything LOL) because it's such a long trip . But as has been discussed up thread(in light of the topic of the thread), people in the UK don't seem to have a problem with drinking.
First off UK gas prices averaged around $6.15 per gallon as of the end of 2019 and about half of that is taxes and tariffs. A cheap bottle of wine that costs 5 pounds is about half tax and duties. (Thus a gallon of gas and a bottle of cheap wine are similar in cost). So basically many people in the UK people would rather get drunk in the gutter every weekend than take a drive a couple times a year to locations within their own country which could be quite nice if they had more visitors(earning more money and thus inciting more investment for nicer hotels and amenities) and then complain about how rundown and disgusting those places are so why should they bother going? Not really judging, we all do that in our own countries for various things, that just happens to be the UK's thing. And with all that drinking it's probably a good thing they aren't driving more. :D
|by Anonymous||reply 316||07/21/2020|
R316 It pisses down (rains) here unpredictably all of the year round.
If I want to see my Mother I'd have to fly to Rhodes, she lives in Ialyssos. I live about an hour and a half (flight time) away in Lecce, Italy for half of the year. I like to spend summer in the UK usually (because it gets too hot there), but got trapped here in March due to Covid (long story).
My point initially was the same as yours, British people destroyed their own coastal towns, but it needs central government investment to rescue them now. they are beyond help from tourists.
This isn't unique to the UK though, Bari in Italy which used to be a huge draw for Italians is also effectively abandoned.
|by Anonymous||reply 317||07/21/2020|
Did a britain roadtrip in 2016, many roadways are not nearly as efficient as US highways, it takes 1/2 a day to travel what in the US would be a quick 2 hour drive.
|by Anonymous||reply 318||07/21/2020|
That's because half of the the roads follow track that are centuries old, some of the millennia designed by The Romans.
|by Anonymous||reply 319||07/21/2020|
I loved Glasgow when I visited...but it can be a rough place. Has anyone heard of a Glasgow Smile? Actor Tommy Flanagan has one.
|by Anonymous||reply 320||07/21/2020|
I didn't see a boardwalk in Swansea.
|by Anonymous||reply 321||07/21/2020|
I enjoyed this thread immensely - and learned a lot.
|by Anonymous||reply 322||07/21/2020|
Russian First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov owns two apartments in No. 4 Whitehall Court, London worth 11.4 million British pounds. His official annual income is 112,000 pounds. He would have to work 76 years, without spending any money, to save enough to afford these apartments.
|by Anonymous||reply 323||07/21/2020|
[quote]Good trivia question - what's a trashy American seaside town?
Imperial Beach (CA)
|by Anonymous||reply 324||07/21/2020|
Russian oligarch Andrey Goncharenko paid 15 million British pounds for 102 Eaton Square, London.
|by Anonymous||reply 325||07/21/2020|
Plenty of shady people in the most expensive neighbourhoods of London.
|by Anonymous||reply 326||07/21/2020|
r325 at least someone with money is saving these old places. Politics is supposed to be a passive hobby not a lifetime career. It's perfectly acceptable for a politician to have their own money outside of a government salary. At least it's an actual European dropping millions in London for once.
|by Anonymous||reply 327||07/21/2020|
I never think of Russia as belonging to a continent - Europe or Asia. Just seems like completely it's own thing - and is big enough to be so.
|by Anonymous||reply 328||07/21/2020|
R327, you do realise that Russia is a kleptocracy, don't you? Whitehall Court and Eaton Square are highly desirable real estate. There's no danger of buildings in these neighbourhoods falling into disrepair. They will always find buyers. The prices would just be less inflated without Russian oligarchs. There are at least 35,000 properties in London which have suspicious foreign owners.
You must be a Russian troll. Next thing you're going to tell me Putin made his money honestly.
|by Anonymous||reply 329||07/21/2020|
[quote]Funny how coastal ("seaside") towns in the UK are dumpy and full of trashy people.
Some are, some aren't. Aldeburgh, Southwold, Whitstable and Deal among others are sought-after venues for second-homers. Or quality-of-life first-homers. Not all of whom are trashy.
|by Anonymous||reply 330||07/21/2020|
[quote]R325 at least someone with money is saving these old places. Politics is supposed to be a passive hobby not a lifetime career. It's perfectly acceptable for a politician to have their own money outside of a government salary. At least it's an actual European dropping millions in London for once.
Shuvalov may very well have been asked by Putin to hide millions of ill-gotten dollars by buying the two apartments at Whitehall Court.
|by Anonymous||reply 331||07/21/2020|
I’d have to say Bradfield, West Yorks., a town in which pretty much everyone has been murdered by serial killers.
|by Anonymous||reply 332||07/21/2020|
Probably the Wandsworth section of London. I remember going home with a guy who lived there and getting fucked doggystyle and on my back with my legs on the guy’s shoulders. Anyways, the Borough is a shithole from what I saw. Never went back after that night.
|by Anonymous||reply 333||07/21/2020|
[quote] I remember going home with a guy who lived there and getting fucked doggystyle and on my back with my legs on the guy’s shoulders.
|by Anonymous||reply 334||07/21/2020|
Note on that map that one of the poorest areas in Europe let alone Britain, Cornwall, has close to the least crime.
|by Anonymous||reply 335||07/22/2020|
Wherever those revolting child rapist and murderers The West’s lived. Wherever the Child killing Moors Murderers lived.
|by Anonymous||reply 336||07/22/2020|
Don't forget me!
|by Anonymous||reply 337||07/22/2020|
So I guess the Brits have missed out on the long family summer roadtrips that are a part of American culture? That's sad. As much as we used bitch and moan, I have fond memories of scrapping with siblings in the back of the car while dad piloted the Ford Country Squire with faux wood paneling and mom trying to deliver backhanded slaps from the front seat on those epic roadtrips.
|by Anonymous||reply 338||07/22/2020|
^^sounds like Hell on Earth.
We Brits don’t like our families that much. We have exasperated loving loyalty to them, but that’s not enough to keep the peace driving cross-country for days.
|by Anonymous||reply 339||07/22/2020|
We also went on long car journeys...to the continent.
|by Anonymous||reply 340||07/22/2020|
snogging in dingy alleyways is just a part of British courtship tbh
|by Anonymous||reply 341||07/22/2020|
I wouldn't trade my car trips for anything. I saw a lot America that way. National parks, old style motor court motels, roadside attractions....
|by Anonymous||reply 342||07/22/2020|
And the radio in those days, gurl...if you mean the 70s. I used to go a lot in the 70s. The radio was so good you often didn't want to get out of the car sometimes.
|by Anonymous||reply 343||07/22/2020|
I even remember going into Mexico by car. Back when it was far safer than now. Dad would pay a kid a dollar to look after the car while we wandered around.
|by Anonymous||reply 344||07/22/2020|
R81 R82 I live just outside Portsmouth, but if anyone asks me where I live I say Hampshire as no one wants to admit to living in 'Pompey'. It's a northern town on the south coast of England due to the influx of naval personnel from the north making it their home. However, if you want real grime, try Gosport!
|by Anonymous||reply 345||07/22/2020|
Before air travel became so cheap, we'd have long family car journeys to Ireland or France. They just don't make sense any more since you can now fly to those destinations in an hour for much less.
|by Anonymous||reply 346||07/22/2020|
I recently did a multi-state road trip and have the road trip bug again and gas is cheap. Plus, I loathe air travel and all the hassle now associated with it.
|by Anonymous||reply 347||07/22/2020|
Atlantic City is really the only seaside town that is comparable to British trashy seaside towns. I guess because it’s one of the oldest commercially developed Seaside towns in the US. Very similar history to the British seaside towns. Wildwood and Myrtle Beach are trashy - but far better than British versions with million dollar homes and relatively low crime.
|by Anonymous||reply 348||07/22/2020|
Atlantic City is trashy because of the casinos and the mob. It was never "high-class" but the old hotels were pretty spectacular and could have been retained/restored as family-oriented resorts. Another thing Trumpy-Dumpy and his trashy friends destroyed.
|by Anonymous||reply 349||07/22/2020|
I don't even have a car here in USA.
|by Anonymous||reply 350||07/22/2020|
Is Butlins still a thing? It doesn't seem likely that anyone would go to a holiday camp anymore when flights to Spain and Greece are cheap.
As to the scurge of alcoholism they tried to inact minimum unit pricing a few years ago because supermarket booze was so cheap. I don't think it succeeded though.
|by Anonymous||reply 351||07/22/2020|
I believe they have min prices in Scotland. The prices were never cheap though, not with all the govt taxes on booze.
|by Anonymous||reply 352||07/22/2020|
The best parts of Britain are the ones inhabited by Muslims.
|by Anonymous||reply 353||07/22/2020|
This is r327. It's not that I'm pro-Russia, I just know that when you are selling a property the buyer rarely matters. If they are breaking the law then the UK government should intervene. I've heard about buyers from China, the middle east, and Russia buying up a ton of property around the world as a means of securing capital abroad and washing dirty money. The fact of the matter is that many westerners aren't willing to throw down the same amount of cash unless their last name is Bezos. It's hard to accept the ascendance of other regions but sadly this is the world we now reside in.
I also assume that these are ill gotten gains but the social structure that allowed Western nobles to build the grand homes in Europe and Gilded Age mansions in America involved human exploitation. When you get to be as rich as the people buying in these posh neighborhoods the line between good and bad gets blurred.
The fact that someone could afford to build such a place a time when there was no social safety net and people starved is proof that we are just trading out one group of corrupt fuckers for another group of corrupt fuckers.
|by Anonymous||reply 354||07/22/2020|
Which part of the UK has the most Muslims? Is it Birmingham/London? I LOVE multiculturalism.
|by Anonymous||reply 355||07/22/2020|
[quote]I've heard about buyers from China, the middle east, and Russia buying up a ton of property around the world as a means of securing capital abroad and washing dirty money.
NYC is full of this too.
|by Anonymous||reply 356||07/22/2020|
[quote] Which part of the UK has the most Muslims?
|by Anonymous||reply 357||07/22/2020|
The Chinese aren't just buying real estate here in the UK, they are building it.
They own 90% of a new development of Apartment blocks that are being built close to Manchester City Centre.
|by Anonymous||reply 358||07/22/2020|
Disgusting that that's allowed r358. But all anyone cares about is $$$$.
|by Anonymous||reply 359||07/22/2020|
R355 London has the most, outside of that they seem to like places the begin with B. So Birmingham, Bradford, Burnley etc are next.
|by Anonymous||reply 360||07/22/2020|
How did so many end up in the UK r360. Do you have the world's most lax immigration policies outside of the US?
|by Anonymous||reply 361||07/22/2020|
Pakistan (and Bangladesh) were part of India until partition in 1947 and we needed workers after WWII. The old Countries of Empire that could speak some English were the obvious places to look. Lots of Indians also live here but they integrate better.
Our Black Caribbean population exist for the same reason.
|by Anonymous||reply 362||07/22/2020|
Sounds very short sighted r362. But money tends to do that to "leaders".
|by Anonymous||reply 363||07/22/2020|
[quote]How did so many end up in the UK [R360]. Do you have the world's most lax immigration policies outside of the US?
I think so. There was an incredible rush arrival of women wearing the hijab suddenly about 5 years ago, maybe more, where I live in West Kensington (London)....which is a quite posh area.
They used to go to more "ghetto" type areas, new arrivals....but they're everywhere here. Yesterday I saw a few had moved into a very bijou little street of Victorian cottages. The council are probably paying their very high rent to live there, because these are not council style houses.
& the children's playground was all mothers in hijabs when I last walked by,
I saw some "walking in New York" footage and there were none or very few there.
You also see some who are incredibly primitive looking. Like you might expect to see in some souk in Morocco...even very old ladies. What will they contribute?
|by Anonymous||reply 364||07/22/2020|
I forgot to add that Uganda (under Idi Amin) forcibly expelled It's Southern Asian (Indian) population in 1972 and most of them were allowed to come to the UK.
|by Anonymous||reply 365||07/22/2020|
It was effectively Black African Racism.
|by Anonymous||reply 366||07/22/2020|
[quote]What will they contribute?
Nothing positive. Which is why it's insane to allow so many in.
|by Anonymous||reply 367||07/22/2020|
[quote]But all anyone cares about is $$$$.
I believe in the UK all they care about is ££££.
|by Anonymous||reply 368||07/22/2020|
R367 They don't contribute nothing, you can't live in the UK without contributing (20% VAT, Council Tax, Water, Utilities). The Welfare State is a ' Money Go Round', only time that it doesn't end up back in the system is if the large corporations like Amazon syphon it off.
Plus The NHS would collapse without Doctors from the Indian subcontinent, they are also very active in law (bit of a cliche I know).
|by Anonymous||reply 369||07/22/2020|
Blair increased the population by 3m immigrants on the basis that they would all vote for him. Big mistake him, the ones who came were self-selecting go-getters who were and remain largely Tories (Conservatives). Lots and lots came from Bangladesh. Three million in 10 years: that's an increase of 5% in the UK only via immigration; here in the US that would be an increase of 16.25m Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis. Perhaps the economy would improve here; but once here they'd all vote Rethug.
|by Anonymous||reply 370||07/22/2020|
Many of them just live on benefits. Stupid to bring them all in, esp. with so much native Chav trash on the dole.
|by Anonymous||reply 371||07/22/2020|
[quote]This is [R327]. It's not that I'm pro-Russia, I just know that when you are selling a property the buyer rarely matters. If they are breaking the law then the UK government should intervene. I've heard about buyers from China, the middle east, and Russia buying up a ton of property around the world as a means of securing capital abroad and washing dirty money. The fact of the matter is that many westerners aren't willing to throw down the same amount of cash unless their last name is Bezos. It's hard to accept the ascendance of other regions but sadly this is the world we now reside in. I also assume that these are ill gotten gains but the social structure that allowed Western nobles to build the grand homes in Europe and Gilded Age mansions in America involved human exploitation. When you get to be as rich as the people buying in these posh neighborhoods the line between good and bad gets blurred. The fact that someone could afford to build such a place a time when there was no social safety net and people starved is proof that we are just trading out one group of corrupt fuckers for another group of corrupt fuckers.
Not necessarily. Very rich people in the West can be business people who invent useful technology, eg. Steve Jobs, extremely talented professional athletes, very successful movie stars whose movies make tons of money. They don't have to be morally bankrupt, although I am sure there are plenty of very rich business people who really exploit their employees.
Russia has more than its share of corruption. It's not a transparent society. You're not going to figure out how these people made their money. I've heard from the media that there was a time after the end of communism when the Russian press was free and independent but now it's come full circle and the media just spouts propaganda from the Russian government and can't be trusted.
Besides, when Russian oligarchs buy expensive homes in London, they know all the legal tricks and it's not always clear who the actual owner is.
Feudal societies make look expoitative to our eyes but it was the accepted social order for many centuries.
|by Anonymous||reply 372||07/22/2020|
[quote].... Gilded Age mansions in America involved human exploitation
Did Rockefeller exploit people or was he just a very clever businessman?
|by Anonymous||reply 373||07/22/2020|
Very few Brits would be buying at the Russian price point anyway
|by Anonymous||reply 374||07/22/2020|
[quote] native Chav trash on the dole ...
... often vote Conservative
|by Anonymous||reply 375||07/22/2020|
[quote] Did Rockefeller exploit people or was he just a very clever businessman?
He exploited people and so did his pal Flagler. Flagler was the cleverer businessman, as John D acknowledged.
|by Anonymous||reply 376||07/22/2020|
Sorry. Maybe I don't have enough knowledge but I really can't accept the leftist analysis that all rich people during the Gilded Age were robber barons. Surely when NYC was growing very rapidly, there were people who made good money off of real estate and didn't have to do anything underhanded.
|by Anonymous||reply 377||07/22/2020|
Excuse my ignorance but how exactly did Rockefeller exploit people?
|by Anonymous||reply 378||07/22/2020|
Rockefeller had workers who he exploited like Carnegie.
|by Anonymous||reply 379||07/22/2020|
If Rockefeller's workers weren't satisfied with the pay and working conditions, why didn't they go work somewhere else?
|by Anonymous||reply 380||07/22/2020|
[quote] Surely when NYC was growing very rapidly, there were people who made good money off of real estate and didn't have to do anything underhanded.
Landlords have always been rapacious.
|by Anonymous||reply 381||07/22/2020|
Yes. Yes. All rich people are crooks. I believe you.
|by Anonymous||reply 382||07/22/2020|
[quote]Landlords have always been rapacious
Please stay on topic, R381. I'm not talking about employers who forced their workers to work under unsafe conditions. I'm talking about people who knew how to make money when the city was growing rapidly and property values were increasing.
|by Anonymous||reply 383||07/22/2020|
Who the fuck are you R383, Muriel?
|by Anonymous||reply 384||07/22/2020|
No, I am not Muriel and I see nothing wrong with the statements I made at R383. You must be trolling, R384.
|by Anonymous||reply 385||07/22/2020|
R385 is Murna or for our more sensitive members Eriel.
|by Anonymous||reply 386||07/22/2020|
Nope, I'm just someone who doesn't believe that all very rich people are huge crooks and horrible people.
|by Anonymous||reply 387||07/22/2020|
Wealth is theft.
|by Anonymous||reply 388||07/22/2020|
Really. In what way are Taylor Swift and Tom Cruise stealing?
|by Anonymous||reply 389||07/22/2020|
Taylor Swift and Tom Cruise are frauds and in that way they are stealing.
|by Anonymous||reply 390||07/22/2020|
Lol, R390. You sure are grasping at straws.
|by Anonymous||reply 391||07/22/2020|
R388 types poor.
|by Anonymous||reply 392||07/22/2020|
All property is theft.
|by Anonymous||reply 393||07/22/2020|
Wiki says that Southwark, Lambeth, Hackney and Newham are the neighbourhoods with the most homicides in London.
|by Anonymous||reply 394||07/22/2020|
I'd love to visit all these places. I love trashy uncut dick. English dick is usually quite fat and juicy.
|by Anonymous||reply 395||07/23/2020|
R394 How many of these are black on black murder?
|by Anonymous||reply 396||07/23/2020|
I don't know the details, R396, but these are probably areas to avoid. I doubt they have much to offer to tourists.
|by Anonymous||reply 397||07/23/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 398||07/23/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 399||07/23/2020|
R399 on a woman it's called a gooch. Taint is for men.
|by Anonymous||reply 400||07/23/2020|
Wherever golddigger Victoria Beckham is living.
|by Anonymous||reply 401||07/23/2020|
R401 Tasteful Friends?
|by Anonymous||reply 402||07/24/2020|
[quote] I remember going home with a guy who lived there and getting fucked doggystyle and on my back with my legs on the guy’s shoulders. Anyways, the Borough is a shithole from what I saw.
Sounds like he saw a shithole aspect as well.
|by Anonymous||reply 403||07/24/2020|
R402 - I like the house. The people are godfuckingawful. That leg shot of her in the kitchen. Ewwww.
|by Anonymous||reply 404||07/24/2020|
[quote] The Beckhams often make their fans envious by sharing photos inside their £31million mansion in London
Where the fuck to they live in London that it costs £31m?
In R402's link she's pulled that mascara brush out David's behind and now the children are making a racket.
|by Anonymous||reply 405||07/24/2020|
I know 23 Holland Park was their home in London. I don't know if they still own it. The neighbours complained about the noise from the extensive renovations they did on that house.
|by Anonymous||reply 406||07/24/2020|
[quote] 23 Holland Park
That's Shepherd's Bush!!!!!!!!
|by Anonymous||reply 407||07/24/2020|
Nope. The neighbourhood is Holland Park, close to the park itself and Notting Hill and Kensington. Shepherd's Bush is on the other side of A3220.
|by Anonymous||reply 408||07/24/2020|
The Beckhams and their appreciative neighbours. Once again, I'm not positive if they're still there. They may have sold that house.
|by Anonymous||reply 409||07/24/2020|
It must be an expensive neighbourhood because there are embassies nearby. As far as I know, all the areas not far from Hyde Park are prime London real estate.
|by Anonymous||reply 410||07/24/2020|
I wonder why that silly video shows up instead of the article.
|by Anonymous||reply 411||07/24/2020|
[quote]I wonder why that silly video shows up instead of the article
That usually happens when you post Daily Mail links
|by Anonymous||reply 412||07/24/2020|
[quote] I wonder why that silly video shows up instead of the article.
That is because the host of this site, Muriel or Erna or some other dumb bitch, fucks up links to the Fail.
|by Anonymous||reply 413||07/24/2020|
[quote] They may have sold that house.
Thank house hasn't been sold in years. When you acquire that house, you first have to buy the shares in the offshore company which owns it. The house doesn't change hands; no Stamp Duty. All in the booklet darlings.
|by Anonymous||reply 414||07/24/2020|
That leg shot looks like something Patsy would have done in her Hello spread.
|by Anonymous||reply 415||07/24/2020|
I simply cannot understand why Beckham has been denied the Knighthood he so urgently craves.
|by Anonymous||reply 416||07/24/2020|
When the Queen said "I dub thee..." he yelled "I do my own fuckin' voice!"
|by Anonymous||reply 417||07/24/2020|
Beckham and those advising him screwed up: they were emailing one another setting out their charitable activities designed to secure Beckham got the K and that Posh became a Lady at last. The emails leaked; end of.
|by Anonymous||reply 418||07/24/2020|
Not only did the emails leak, but the would-be Knight was seen to refer to the Honours Committee as (from memory) 'A bunch of cunts.' I imagine it'll be quite a while before Lady Posh graces Society.
|by Anonymous||reply 419||07/24/2020|
Surely David has to spend a lot of money propping up his wife's businesses. I can't believe they actually make money on their own.
|by Anonymous||reply 420||07/24/2020|
If he said that R419 then he will probably never recover.
"he allegedly called the Honours Committee "unappreciative c****". "
Trashiest part of the UK? 23 Shepherd's Bush.
|by Anonymous||reply 421||07/24/2020|
So why did Beckham want a knighthood so bad? Its kind of a dying thing, no?
|by Anonymous||reply 422||07/24/2020|
R422 It's not dying at all, far from it.
|by Anonymous||reply 423||07/24/2020|
Yeah. And his career is dying.
|by Anonymous||reply 424||07/24/2020|
[quote]Where the fuck to they live in London that it costs £31m?
Oh please, R405. A 31 million pound house is obviously for poor people. There's a terraced house in Belgrave Square going for 75 million and another one in Mayfair for 67.5 million.
|by Anonymous||reply 425||07/24/2020|
The prices are staggering R425. And London is such a dire shithole.
|by Anonymous||reply 426||07/24/2020|
Sketchy people from developing countries have to invest their embezzled millions / billions somewhere, R426. They call Eaton Square "Red Square" because of all the shady Russians who own property there.
|by Anonymous||reply 427||07/24/2020|
R50, in Oxford, Blackbird Leys
|by Anonymous||reply 428||07/24/2020|
Why is a knighthood such a big deal? It doesn't get you estates or money. In the old days the title could be handed down and establishing your family into the gentry, no?
|by Anonymous||reply 429||07/24/2020|
[quote] Why is a knighthood such a big deal?
Many Brits and a fair few Commonwealth types love that shit.
|by Anonymous||reply 430||07/24/2020|
No, R429, knighthoods aren’t hereditary, although holders of hereditary baronetcies are addressed as “Sir”.
|by Anonymous||reply 431||07/24/2020|
Baronetcies? Isn't it just a barony?
|by Anonymous||reply 432||07/24/2020|
No, different R432.
The trashiest place is Brick Lane in London.
|by Anonymous||reply 433||07/24/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 434||07/24/2020|
R432 the baronetcies are hereditary knighthoods. The scheme was started by James I and VI.
The last one was created for Denis Thatcher in 1990; his son Mark inherited it in 2003.
The trashiest part of the UK must be Red Square, mentioned above, despite the high cost of property there.
|by Anonymous||reply 435||07/24/2020|
Okay. Thanks for the info, R435.
|by Anonymous||reply 436||07/24/2020|
[quote] What's the trashiest part of the UK?
It's up your 'arse' OP - is that spelt correctly?
|by Anonymous||reply 437||07/24/2020|
Walking around much of London these days, you're like "where are the British people?"
|by Anonymous||reply 438||07/24/2020|
Wherever Sarah Ferguson and Prince Andrew live. Both are trash.
|by Anonymous||reply 439||07/24/2020|
Edinburgh during the Fringe Festival. Our beautiful capital turns into a fucking hellhole for three weeks every August. Not this year. We are infested by untalented narcissists and their enablers taking over the city. The whole atmosphere is drunken, coked up, and aggressively LOUD. And you can never find a parking space or a table at a restaurant. I hardly go to the Fringe now. It makes me murderous.
|by Anonymous||reply 440||07/24/2020|
[quote]So why did Beckham want a knighthood so bad?
[quote]Why is a knighthood such a big deal?
Because it's posh bling, and Beckham can buy everything else he wants. If he and his people had played their cards right he could have in effect bought a K (charity work, lobbying, patience) - but of course he went about it the wrong way, and in doing so showed he didn't deserve it. Thus the tattooed man remains a mere Mister.
|by Anonymous||reply 441||07/24/2020|
R441, Apart from his tax dodging activities, conferring a knighthood on him would mean that his wife would be entitled to call herself Lady Beckham. That would be stretching credulity.
|by Anonymous||reply 442||07/24/2020|
R422 I suspect that Goldenballs’ striving for a title had more to do with impressing and getting one up on Alex Ferguson, and by extension the loyalist world of British footie who turned their back on him (well, all but the arselicking Class of ‘92 crew, of course).
Recall that when DAYVID left the U.K. the first time, it was in ingnominy, as if he were a deserter siphoning money and prestige off the island. People took it hard. Fergie, even as his surrogate father-figure, spearheaded much of this criticism, and given that he is a titled man himself the rejection must have seemed immense.
David does seem to live under his wife’s thumb, but he also has his own agenda and petty egotism to overcome. I wouldn’t put it past his fuzzy logic and childlike credulity to believe that a Knighthood somehow cleans his slate in a sacral way and puts him above those old criticisms that so hurt him (and above, in particular, the one honoured person who hurt him). He wants to feel superior, having been pedestaled since he was too young to handle it properly.
What he fails to grasp is that self-awareness and deprecation, die-hard dedication, and presence most endear football fans and the general British public. We don’t mind the rich or the titled, but we don’t like social climbers and can’t be bought off easily with cheap tricks & bling.
|by Anonymous||reply 443||07/25/2020|
Well this thread suddenly attracted a shit tonne of fucking racists real quick... Brain dead idiots.
|by Anonymous||reply 444||07/25/2020|
Carnegie was a slave driver, make no mistake.
|by Anonymous||reply 445||07/25/2020|
R444 These threads always do. The vast majority of the posters in this thread have never even been to the UK or have only been here 30 years ago for a few days.
|by Anonymous||reply 446||07/25/2020|
Rockefellers were murderous anti-unionists.
Sheesh - didn't any of you have ANY labor history in your school? Many of my teachers in the 70s were anti-establishment types - hippy-adjacents - soft radicals. At least they weren't BRAIN dead like so many teachers.
|by Anonymous||reply 447||07/25/2020|
|by Anonymous||reply 448||07/25/2020|
Um, R447. During strikes, especially prolonged ones, emotions run high. I wouldn't be surprised if people got killed during much more recent strikes, never mind a century or more ago.
I'm glad you've admitted to the socialist bias of your teachers. You have to take their version of the "truth" with a grain of salt.
|by Anonymous||reply 449||07/25/2020|
Parts of London look like Pakistan and the Middle East now. They really went overboard with the third world immigration, much to their detriment.
|by Anonymous||reply 450||07/25/2020|
R447, during the Oka Crisis in Canada in 1990, a police officer was killed.
During the strike at the Giant gold mine in Yellowknife, Northwest Territories in 1992, nine miners were murdered when they were underground.
We're talking only 30 years ago. This is the kind of thing that happens when emotions run high and each side thinks the other side is extremely unfair and people want to force an end to the situation.
|by Anonymous||reply 451||07/25/2020|
R450 just fuck the right off racist troll.
|by Anonymous||reply 452||07/25/2020|
The nine miners murdered in Yellowknife were replacement workers. A striking miner finally confessed to the killing. What would your biased socialist teachers say about that? Kind of a fly in the ointment, no?
|by Anonymous||reply 453||07/25/2020|
R453, probably that it's simply the sort of thing that happens when emotions run high, you shit-sucking cunt?
|by Anonymous||reply 454||07/25/2020|
Don't be silly, R454. According to R447 and his socialist teachers, labour can do no wrong and capitalists are irredeemably evil. It's that simple.
|by Anonymous||reply 455||07/25/2020|
I wonder if R447's socialist teachers from the 1970s were naive enough to think that communist Russia and Cuba were paradise on earth. Maybe not. Maybe by the 70s, there were enough credible reports in the West that these countries were anything but paradise.
|by Anonymous||reply 456||07/25/2020|
Fuck YOU r452. This has caused tremendous problems to Britain's cultural and social fabric. I know it's now fashionable to import hordes of third worlders with their barbaric social customs and Medieval religious beliefs to first world countries, but that doesn't make it right.
|by Anonymous||reply 457||07/25/2020|
Uh oh. Things are getting heated.
|by Anonymous||reply 458||07/25/2020|
[quote] If Rockefeller's workers weren't satisfied with the pay and working conditions, why didn't they go work somewhere else?
Oh, maybe because he kept them poor enough they couldn't afford to leave and go elsewhere. And have you ever heard the expression "You'll never work in this town again. " or "You'll never work in this business again?" Rockefeller, his lieutenants, and his ilk turned such threats into an art form.
Now, why don't you take your meager wages and get over to the company owned store and spend your money. Don't even think of going anywhere else to shop, if you value your job.
|by Anonymous||reply 459||07/25/2020|
R459, why is it all right to judge what happened a century ago or more by today's morals? Ninety-nine percent of people's attitudes at the time would have offended you, eg. the role of women in society, demonization of gays and lesbians, demonization of atheists, discrimination against people of other religions, and on and on and on.
|by Anonymous||reply 460||07/25/2020|
Carnegie remained a UK citizen for years in the hope of a knighthood. Returned to Scotland every year. Courted the Liberals (yes). Was asked to resign from the National Liberal Club because of his disastrous labor relations. He finally got the message (not without first having offered Gladstone actual money - yes, Glad himself) and became a US citizen at last.
|by Anonymous||reply 461||07/28/2020|
R456, yes, because Stalinist Russia was horrible, we can just turn a blind eye to any negative things at home. Nothing to see here, just move along, Toots. Remember - Stalin!
|by Anonymous||reply 462||07/28/2020|
If these 70s socialist teachers thought communist countries were wonderful, then they didn't know what they were talking about and it calls into question their extremely biased view on labour history in the U.S.
|by Anonymous||reply 463||07/28/2020|
Why are you in favor of striking workers murdering replacement workers, R462? Why are you like that?
|by Anonymous||reply 464||07/28/2020|
Because he's a shit-gulping cunt, Rose.
|by Anonymous||reply 465||07/28/2020|
I'm sure labour history was a whole lot more complicated than the way it was taught by the socialist teachers from the 70s, R465. They chose reference books that fit their ideology.
There have been plenty of people who have criticised the far left bias of university professors.
I'm definitely not an expert on the subject but there were probably a lot of uneducated, unskilled workers competing for the same jobs so employers took advantage of the situation. When living standards improved for all social classes in the U.S. (not just the rich) because of the economic prosperity after World War II, I assume working conditions improved for everyone and certain standards were implemented.
|by Anonymous||reply 466||07/28/2020|
Are you saying that all, or most, wealthy people during the Gilded Age in the U.S. were robber barons, R465? Answer the question. That's how this argument got started.
If many people were taught that by far left university professors, that doesn't make it true.
|by Anonymous||reply 467||07/28/2020|
Would you queens get off the internet for a while so we can return to the TOPIC we all want to discuss.
UK trashy is so different for US. Brixton is a good example.
|by Anonymous||reply 468||07/28/2020|
That topic has already been exhausted, R468. Please pay attention.
|by Anonymous||reply 469||07/28/2020|
Are you saying that events from a century ago or more should be judged by the morals of today, R465? Answer the question.
|by Anonymous||reply 470||07/28/2020|
Wherever the Windsors are in residence.
Has that been mentioned?
|by Anonymous||reply 471||07/28/2020|
Socialism and Communism aren't the same thing.
Here in the UK we are a Socialist Country whichever political party is in power.
The Tories just enjoy persecuting and Demonising the poor for political gain.
Everything else stays the same, we still have a welfare state, universal healthcare and almost nobody moaning about fucking abortion 65 years after it became legal (sorry, personal rant). No political party here apposes Abortion...
|by Anonymous||reply 472||07/28/2020|
55 years and opposes.
|by Anonymous||reply 473||07/28/2020|
Funny to observe how socialism is considered a Bad Thing in the USA. To the rest of the civilised world it’s just another political / economic theory. Why are you all so frightened?
|by Anonymous||reply 474||07/28/2020|
R467 No one with half a brain thinks that. And I went to a lefty college where no professor ever said that. The fact remains that there were Robber Barons and what they did to their own workforce was contemptible.
Oh, and that and you're a cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 475||07/28/2020|
^^^ Poor thing. You were brain washed by your lefty professors in your lefty college.
|by Anonymous||reply 476||07/28/2020|
[quote]Would you queens get off the internet for a while so we can return to the TOPIC we all want to discuss. UK trashy is so different for US. Brixton is a good example.
Britain is a boring, backward, impoverished country, like Moldova and Canada. British celebrities don't really count. Britain is just a shadow of its former self, eg. under the reign of Queen Victoria. Now with Brexit, it will become even more irrelevant.
|by Anonymous||reply 477||07/28/2020|
R475, will you be protesting to try to force Rockefeller University and Rockefeller Centre to change their names? After all, they are named after a very bad person. What about Carnegie Mellon University? Surely you're not into empty posturing.
|by Anonymous||reply 478||07/28/2020|
R475, you still didn't answer my question at R470.
Shouldn't Kykuit, the Rockefeller estate north of NYC be demolished? Why use it as a tourist attraction? Why glorify a contemptible family? If you say "no", then you're not serious about social justice.
I thought I heard that Joseph Kennedy made his wealth by questionable dealings on Wall Street. Then when he was appointed some sort of commissioner, he tried to make the morally questionable ways he had earned his money on the stock market illegal. I'm sketchy on the details because I heard this on a radio program years ago. I've heard that Wall Street to this day is rigged in favour of certain people.
When you look closely into the lives of so many famous people of the past, you find all kinds of troubling things.
|by Anonymous||reply 479||07/28/2020|
And out comes the three tons of False Equivalency, right on schedule.
|by Anonymous||reply 480||07/28/2020|
Whatever do you mean, R480? Don't you have high standards and think that only honest, hard working people should be celebrated?
Btw, I don't know about Rockefeller Center but I'm pretty sure Rockefeller University was founded by and named after the morally bankrupt billionaire himself. Aren't you outraged? Shouldn't the Carnegie name be removed from all the public libraries he built. I'm starting to think you're a hypocrite.
|by Anonymous||reply 481||07/28/2020|
And you're a dripping little cunt, so who really cares what you think?
Take your smug shittiness and bully-worship, ball them up, and insert them in the no-doubt cum-glazed hole of your choice.
|by Anonymous||reply 482||07/28/2020|
Someone up top asked what a chav is. Think a hybrid between white trash and a Jersey guido. That's a chav.
|by Anonymous||reply 483||07/28/2020|
Almost the entire country. The island is overrun with 70 million people. It is almost impossible to find total quiet-somewhere in the background is the rumble of a motorway, or some idiot up the side of a mountain won his ATV.
|by Anonymous||reply 484||07/28/2020|
[quote]And you're a dripping little cunt, so who really cares what you think? Take your smug shittiness and bully-worship, ball them up, and insert them in the no-doubt cum-glazed hole of your choice.
Oh my, name calling. I guessed you've run out of rational arguments to support your side.
Still haven't answered my question at R470. I guess you're going to completely duck that one. I hope you don't admire that slave owner, President Thomas Jefferson.
I'm really enjoying this, my wacky Marxist friend.
|by Anonymous||reply 485||07/28/2020|
I think the thing that keeps England and Wales (Scotland less so) from seeming attractive as a place to live is the fact that it's so densely settled. And I know that that is true to a certain extent of Europe as a whole, but for some reason in the UK it seems more noticeable. I think it has to do with the English distaste for cities. With the partial exception of London, which seems soundly loathed by the whole country otherwise, they never seem like places people enjoy living in, so there's an immense pressure to live in the suburbs or "the countryside". But where a place like the US has the space to fulfill that impulse (to a certain extent), the UK, by and large, does not.
|by Anonymous||reply 486||07/28/2020|
Mop up when you're done, R485.
|by Anonymous||reply 487||07/28/2020|
[quote]British celebrities don't really count.
If only Britain had an inspiring aspiring leader such as Kanye West to call its own.
|by Anonymous||reply 488||07/28/2020|
Luton followed closely by Chatham.
|by Anonymous||reply 489||07/28/2020|
R488, my whole post at R477 is just my lame attempt at humour. I don't really mean any of it. I've never been to Britain or Moldova but I assume the former has a higher standard of living.
|by Anonymous||reply 490||07/28/2020|
[quote]Mop up when you're done, R485.
So you DO admire slave-owning presidents. Thought so. Tsk tsk.
|by Anonymous||reply 491||07/28/2020|
[quote]Take your smug shittiness and bully-worship, ball them up, and insert them in the no-doubt cum-glazed hole of your choice.
You do have a way with words, R482. English major? .... with a minor in history?
|by Anonymous||reply 492||07/28/2020|
Boston; Birmingham; Washington.
|by Anonymous||reply 493||07/28/2020|
R492 Rose, dear. A quaint phrase from England for you... bore off! It means fuck off, you’re being extremely boring.
|by Anonymous||reply 494||07/28/2020|
How would you describe Gemma Collins?
|by Anonymous||reply 495||07/28/2020|
R493 nominates two northern towns and one from the Midlands. It does seem to get worse the further north you go.
|by Anonymous||reply 496||07/28/2020|
Does this mean that Scottish towns are worse than English towns, R496? Or is there a "reset" of sorts at the border?
|by Anonymous||reply 497||07/28/2020|
R495, world's most disappointing cocktail?
|by Anonymous||reply 498||07/28/2020|
R497 there’s a reset and then the pattern starts again.
|by Anonymous||reply 499||07/28/2020|
[quote]R492 Rose, dear. A quaint phrase from England for you... bore off! It means fuck off, you’re being extremely boring.
Thank you, R494, but I don't value your quaint opinion. You do know about the "ignore" icon, right? Try using that.
|by Anonymous||reply 500||07/28/2020|
I am clicking ignore on R500 right now and won't regret it.
|by Anonymous||reply 501||07/28/2020|
No need to announce it, R501. I'll have to look your history on DL and talk smack about you while you have me on"ignore".
|by Anonymous||reply 502||07/28/2020|
* to look up ....
|by Anonymous||reply 503||07/28/2020|
That's a relief.
|by Anonymous||reply 504||07/28/2020|
Earlier post from R501 : I quite like being drunk.
That explains a lot.
|by Anonymous||reply 505||07/28/2020|
R502 seek psychiatric help.
|by Anonymous||reply 506||07/28/2020|
[quote] It does seem to get worse the further north you go.
Ah-HEY ma-Ma, ma-Me, Dinya-DAI-yeh...
|by Anonymous||reply 507||Last Wednesday at 2:26 AM|
I'm fascinated by the different accents in the UK. You can here the trashy southern ones from the posh but some I just can't tell the difference. Like Adele is Cockney right?
|by Anonymous||reply 508||Last Wednesday at 4:09 AM|
[quote]R502 seek psychiatric help.
I see you have no idea when someone is joking. My comment at R505 is so insulting, he'd faint if he read it.
|by Anonymous||reply 509||Last Wednesday at 5:52 AM|
You know that woman from Game of Thrones...she'd say "you know nothing! Jon Snow!" that's a manchester accent...according to my friend
|by Anonymous||reply 510||Last Wednesday at 6:16 AM|
Newcastle speak is incomprehensible if the speakers don't want you to understand what they're saying to each other.
|by Anonymous||reply 511||Last Wednesday at 6:46 AM|
^“HE CANNAE SEE, MAN!” was clear enough....😥
|by Anonymous||reply 512||Last Wednesday at 2:12 PM|
The neglected Towns and Cities in the South East are way worse places to live than some of the shit-holes in the North.
|by Anonymous||reply 513||Last Wednesday at 5:08 PM|
Croydon and Fulham in London
|by Anonymous||reply 514||Last Wednesday at 6:13 PM|
Looks like R500 is still at it; he's still ignored here!
|by Anonymous||reply 515||Last Wednesday at 6:42 PM|
What? You have me on "ignore" but you know when I'm posting? That doesn't make sense.
Aw, don't be that way. We had such fun talking about the Beckhams' mansion in Holland Park and London's super expensive real estate. Kisses.
It looks like you're a very frequent contributor to this thread, just like me.
|by Anonymous||reply 516||Last Wednesday at 7:34 PM|
UGh, can we have a thread that doesn't devolve into who has the best grammar on a FUCKING Internet message board? WHO cares?
What are some examples of British accents and their origins? Like Beckham? He sounds really haughty compared to...Christian Bale, for instance. Would that be like a southern accent vs west coast? or something? Would Beckam be from a wealthier area than Bale? I just find this shit so interesting because I love different accents. I watch Hollyoaks sometimes and it's like...Woah.
|by Anonymous||reply 517||Last Thursday at 2:23 AM|
Bless your heart R517, Beckham doesn’t have a haughty accent. That is the funniest thing I’ve heard in a while. He has a lower class, Minnie Mouse, helium voice. What I find odd in the UK is that accents can vary a lot even between small villages geographically close together. I’d understand the differentiation before the advent of TV and cars. Where he comes from is a down at heel (less so these days) area of East London. Definitely non-U.
|by Anonymous||reply 518||Last Thursday at 3:30 AM|
[quote]Where he comes from is a down at heel (less so these days) area of East London. Definitely non-U.
Which doubtless adds to his desperation for that Knighthood.
|by Anonymous||reply 519||Last Thursday at 3:45 AM|
My god. This thread is so boring since the Gilded Age robber baron argument ended.
Is it true that British TV is mostly sheep dog competitions? No wonder Brits drink so much.
|by Anonymous||reply 520||Last Thursday at 6:20 AM|
UK people. Is it true that people from the north are despised?
|by Anonymous||reply 521||Last Thursday at 6:37 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 522||Last Thursday at 7:52 AM|
Brits only despise Eastern Europeans.
|by Anonymous||reply 523||Last Thursday at 7:55 AM|
Liverpool...the scouse accent. That psycho killer in Killing Eve is from there and if you can hear it when she accepted various awards.
|by Anonymous||reply 524||Last Thursday at 8:05 AM|
R521 people from the north are not despised as a rule by ... people from the north.
|by Anonymous||reply 525||Last Thursday at 11:36 AM|
R501, R504, R515 and R525 is still posting on this thread? That's 71 posts on this thread alone. Very enthusiastic.
|by Anonymous||reply 526||Last Thursday at 12:41 PM|
I think Luton and Leeds added to London would give the "B" locations a run for their money. That said, Blackburn should be added to the B list. It has significant Indian, Pakistani, and other ethnic minorities - almost 20% born outside the EU.
In terms of religion, Blackburn is about 30% Muslim now.
|by Anonymous||reply 527||Last Thursday at 2:41 PM|
I see your Blackburn and raise you an Accrington.
|by Anonymous||reply 528||Last Thursday at 2:44 PM|
My dear R517; accent denotes class as far as register, not character or attitude. Beckham is extremely wealthy and a bit pretentious, but even with his millions and given a polish-up with titles, he will always be given away and kept in a certain place sociallyby his lower-middle-class Essex accent (and attendant limitations).
Further to that, accent isn’t always derived from one’s childhood hometown or school surroundings, but rather one’s parents or guardians. Consequently, many raised in ‘posh’ areas or with good schooling may still behave or sound as if they come from a lower strata e.g., Bournemouth’s own pretty-prince Jamie Redknapp, who was enrolled at a nice high-achieving school in Dorset yet inherited his Cockney accent and penchant for truantry from father Harry, an East End wide-boy.
|by Anonymous||reply 529||Last Thursday at 3:50 PM|
Someone doesn't understand the "Rose" joke.
|by Anonymous||reply 530||Last Thursday at 10:55 PM|
Someone doesn't understand sarcasm. Perhaps it's you, R530.
|by Anonymous||reply 531||Last Thursday at 11:10 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 532||Last Thursday at 11:13 PM|
Not nearly as funny as your lefty brainwashing in college, but then again, I'm not going to argue with you ad nauseam. Please try sticking to the subject of the thread. Lots of accent-conscious, class-conscious English queens on here who will hassle you if you don't.
|by Anonymous||reply 533||Last Thursday at 11:21 PM|
R533 if you have to tell people you are funny and they are stupid if they don’t find you funny, then you aren’t funny. Please give it a rest.
|by Anonymous||reply 534||Last Thursday at 11:32 PM|
I honestly don't remember telling anyone I was funny, just sarcastic. Can you look back on my previous posts and point out exactly where I said I was funny? Do you have a problem with projecting characteristics on people?
Sorry. I get bitchy when criticised.
|by Anonymous||reply 535||Last Thursday at 11:42 PM|
Essex has a terrible reputation based on just two towns Romford and Basildon. I was shocked when I visited Essex as its a beautiful place with outstanding villages and lovely countryside and great friendly people.
|by Anonymous||reply 536||Last Thursday at 11:49 PM|
Essex is a beautiful County that you should visit! Stay clear of Romford and Basildon.
|by Anonymous||reply 537||Last Thursday at 11:54 PM|
R535 I’m sorry you are having a bad day Rose. That doesn’t excuse you from clogging up this thread with your cunty, off-topic comments. Anyway, I guess I’m the stupid one for feeding a troll.
|by Anonymous||reply 538||Last Thursday at 11:58 PM|
Oh, there's more than one cunt who's determined to get the last word on this thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 539||Last Thursday at 11:59 PM|
Head up towards Saffron Walden way in Essex and visit Audley End. It’s lovely.
|by Anonymous||reply 540||Last Friday at 12:06 AM|
[quote]Anyway, I guess I’m the stupid one for feeding a troll.
What makes you think I'm trolling? What makes you think I don't strongly disagree with R454, R482?
[quote] .... clogging up this thread with your cunty, off-topic comments.
Cunty? If you want really cunty, look at the comments of my worthy Marxist opponent at R454 and R482. Is that polite discourse? He must have anger management issues. Or maybe one of these robber barons had one of his ancestors killed?
|by Anonymous||reply 541||Last Friday at 7:04 AM|
There shouldn't be a question mark at the end of my last sentence at R541.
|by Anonymous||reply 542||Last Friday at 7:06 AM|
"Please try sticking to the subject of the thread." - R533
|by Anonymous||reply 543||Last Friday at 7:47 AM|
Walford in East London or Weatherfield, just outside Manchester.
|by Anonymous||reply 544||Last Friday at 7:49 AM|
Is Manchester becoming less gay-friendly? Doesn’t seem like the LGB Mecca it was once was, at least not from a distance. I can’t say whether it is or not, given I don’t ever go North if I can help it.
Brighton is for trendy fake-gays and Ts, now. The few stalwart 2nd-wave lesbians I know still there are lamenting the situation and want to leave for more habitable climes (they’ve not said where to).
|by Anonymous||reply 545||Last Friday at 8:03 AM|
Last time I went to Manchester I noticed how rough the village has got. It's not really any safer than a straight area these days.
|by Anonymous||reply 546||Last Friday at 8:32 AM|
[quote]What are some examples of British accents and their origins? Like Beckham? He sounds really haughty compared to...Christian Bale, for instance. Would that be like a southern accent vs west coast? or something? Would Beckam be from a wealthier area than Bale? I just find this shit so interesting because I love different accents.
Beckham sounds haughtier than Bale, despite Bale having wealthier origins, because Bale's neo-Cockney accent is a complete put-on. Listening to him speak is like nails grating on a chalkboard, one because he's so dull and self-centered and two because you know his accent is fake. He often forgets during interviews and goes into RP-type English often, it's like listening to a see-saw.
Like Jamie Redknapp, Bale is mostly Bournemouth-raised and attended private schools ("public school" in the UK) most of his life. In keeping with the theme of the post, my understanding is that Dorset/Bournemouth are not shithole areas, but mostly mid-class and in some places, resort-y.
|by Anonymous||reply 547||Last Friday at 9:04 AM|
[quote]"Please try sticking to the subject of the thread." - R533
Sorry. I have to keep all these attacking rottweilers at bay. And yes, I do have to have the last word.
|by Anonymous||reply 548||Last Friday at 9:26 AM|
Rose sitting in her basement...
|by Anonymous||reply 549||Last Friday at 11:13 AM|
There shouldn't be any words in front of the question mark, either, R542.
In any case, my vote for trashiest bit of the UK has got to be any of the seaside "resorts" with Skegness and Blackpool (the names alone!) up around the top ten.
I confess I have never understood the allure of Brighton. It seemed dirty, ugly and full of truly nasty people. However I've repeatedly heard great things about it, so maybe I just wasn't in the right area (or the right mood).
|by Anonymous||reply 550||Last Friday at 1:07 PM|
That gif is pretty funny, R549, but that drag queen is much more fabulous than I am.
[quote].... full of truly nasty people
Much like this thread. And here I thought Brits were polite and reserved, although I'm pretty sure R482 is an American (they're known for their bluntness).
|by Anonymous||reply 551||Last Friday at 4:24 PM|
Wherever that lady with the gross "cooking" show on YouTube lives
|by Anonymous||reply 552||Last Friday at 4:29 PM|
Wherever that lady with the gross "cooking" show on YouTube lives
|by Anonymous||reply 553||Last Friday at 4:29 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 554||Last Saturday at 6:08 AM|
As a youngster in Canada, seeing the introduction to Coronation Street with those row houses all squished together, not a tree in sight, always depressed me.
|by Anonymous||reply 555||Last Saturday at 6:16 AM|
R1 no Liverpool and Teesside maybe. The west if Scotland is stunning and Glasgow’s west end is lovely too.
|by Anonymous||reply 556||Last Saturday at 6:18 AM|
[quote]those row houses all squished together, not a tree in sight
Arguably better than the concrete tower blocks supposedly an improvement on so many of those rows demolished post-war for 'a better future.' Grenfell wasn't quite an improvement, as it turned out.
|by Anonymous||reply 557||Last Saturday at 7:34 AM|
R557 True enough, those towers are equally as depressing!!
|by Anonymous||reply 558||Last Saturday at 9:35 AM|
R555, see r544
|by Anonymous||reply 559||Last Saturday at 9:46 AM|
R557 speaking of hideous towers, did you know that Covent Garden came this close to being entirely demolished to make way for another Barbican in the ‘60s. I actually like the Barbican, but one is sufficient.
|by Anonymous||reply 560||Last Saturday at 9:50 AM|
[quote]I actually like the Barbican, but one is sufficient.
The Barbican often seems to me like a vast alien space station which, having landed, likes the UK well enough to stay. No-one's made too much fuss, so here it remains. Any imitations would, I agree, be surplus to requirements.
|by Anonymous||reply 561||Last Saturday at 11:04 AM|
Genuine question : would the British have thought Lincoln Center (as a design)) preferable? And I adore Lincoln Center, but one is definitely enough
|by Anonymous||reply 562||Last Saturday at 3:41 PM|
Pretty much all British post-war brutalist architecture was designed by upper class architects for working class people to live in, as cheaply as possible. You get what you pay for.
|by Anonymous||reply 563||Last Saturday at 4:38 PM|
I don;t that think that's true or entirely fair. several Brutalist projects in the UK were designed quite well and made to last. But all projects require upkeep and Thatcher's UK was not along for the ride. The same thing happened to a somewhat different degree in the US. The "failure" of Modernism was the failure of politics and funding, not architecture.
|by Anonymous||reply 564||Last Saturday at 5:58 PM|
[R564] Same in Italy. The projects in Naples were designed by a famous Brutalist architect and now the labyrinthine parking garages are used for drug running.
|by Anonymous||reply 565||Last Saturday at 6:08 PM|
R564 But there's an elitist arrogance to brutalism. In their desire to change how people live (not themselves, of course), architects never stopped to ask ordinary people if they actually wanted to live on moulded concrete estates.
As it turned out, they didn't. That's why it ended up being used solely for social housing where the tenants didn't really have a choice, while private developments went back to traditional styles that were popular before the 1940s.
|by Anonymous||reply 566||Last Saturday at 6:23 PM|
Nice to see a few posters from Europe where Socialism if done correctly works
It's better than the USl system in any case
|by Anonymous||reply 567||Last Saturday at 7:00 PM|
Social housing.....I’d gladly take an apartment in a thrash’s area. A house is a house. It’s nearly impossible to find something here. Housing has been a disaster since the 60s.
|by Anonymous||reply 568||Last Saturday at 8:10 PM|
In the Domesday book, the areas of the North (particularly around Northumberland & the Tyne) that William the Conquerer razed to the ground to quash the Rebellions are simply recorded and described as ‘waste’. Says it all, really.
|by Anonymous||reply 569||Last Sunday at 5:22 AM|