Anyone else in Florida? We in danger, gurl.

I worry about all those elderlies down there. It hasn't even reached most of them yet.

Stupid governor. He figures Trump will cover his ass cause he’s a “Florida resident” now.

How he can help with an explosion of cases of a disease for which there is no cure and no vaccine seems to be the part they haven’t figured out yet.

Poz test results are increasing. Mortality stays unchanged.

It's scary here, the belligerence about masks is astounding even amongst seniors. I rarely leave the house.

I hope DeSatanis dies a slow and painful death when his time comes.

R3: Give it time...

We're just going to die. This is so far gone, the population so damned stupid, the corporate environment creating messes with theme parks and malls and movie theaters reopening that everyone is going to be contaminated and then cross contaminating others. If you live here, you're basically going to get it by shopping, getting gas, or going out. I was hopeful that people would get wise and be more careful. I gave up today. I just saw too much stupidity. No one understands this; they're just morons who will kill everyone so they can go on a Harry Potter ride. I hate the word but all I can think is, "Retards. Fucking damned retards."

I doubt Ron DeSantis will finish his term.

I’m scared too. I really don’t want to go anywhere now and I’m anxious about schools reopening next month. We are not ready and our governor is a fucking dipshit.

Well DeSantis looks to be killing himself with a fork so it shouldn't be long now.

Had this argument with my mother last week. "Positives are increasing but death count is holding steady" was her argument that everything's not as bad as it seems.

Legitimate question: I thought they were seeing serious debilitating long-term effects among those who don't die?

All of my very Republican, very pro-Trump family members live in Florida (Port St. Lucie, Boca Raton, Punta Gorda and Tallahassee). Things are looking very grim from my perspective, but Fox News has not informed their cult members of any "real" threat yet (god forbid that they admit any fault that could be tied to horrible misinformation/mishandling from DeSantis or Trumpy) outside of the Fox News ALERTS!!! about those violent protesters who are raping and pillaging every Florida community!!! Or.....hmmm....not at all actually. The entire state is a ticking time bomb of a partisan population ignoring real danger and instead making up an alternate universe of stupidity. I feel genuinely sorry for innocent people who will be infected and possibly die due to the stupidity of so many other RWNJ idiots.

I am in Fla. Stay indoors; shelter in place, even if you don't think you are at risk. Take no chances with this shit. Hunker down; you'll be fine.

[quote] "Positives are increasing but death count is holding steady"

That is happening worldwide. Poz cases up; deaths unchanged. Weird.

My parents divide their time between NY and Florida. We brought them back up here when it wasn't terrible yet in Florida and their friends thought we were all crazy.

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R10, there are. I’ve seen long term chest pain, breathing issues, fatigue, organ damage, to name a few. I wouldn’t be surprised if some cases are later linked to cancers of a certain type. It’s an indiscriminate VIRUS for which there is no vaccine, no treatment, no cure.

You don’t fuck with viruses. Stay home when you can, where a mask when you go out. Live to see the day they figure out how to vaccinate against it or treat it reliably.

Why is this so hard?

*wear

I’m amazed and disappointed at Disney. I thought the brand was better than that.

R18: Same.

It's backfiring on Disney in a big way. Universal and Sea World opened a month ago to a big yawn from the media. But Disney reopens and the headlines about Florida hitting a record number of one day cases has what photo accompanying it? Mickey Mouse.

A case study in poor corporate judgement and what will be irreparable damage to a brand.

[quote] That is happening worldwide. Poz cases up; deaths unchanged. Weird.

I’ve heard this explained several times today by doctors and epidemiologists. Deaths lag by two weeks following a rise in cases. So, we should take little comfort in the low death rate now.

Plus, as R10 and R16 point point out, those who survive may be beset with a lot of complications.

It is stunning to me that the precautions surrounding this are so very simple, and yet people are incapable of adhering to them. Stay in. If you go out, be socially distant. And WEAR A FUCKING MASK.

Why is it so difficult to understand that the longer we prolong this the worse it’s going to be and the longer it will continue. How are so many people so incredibly stupid?

R18 Whe Disney closed ,I knew then things were far worse than we were told. Disney NEVER closes . I live in N. Fl and I confess I started going out more once things reopened (always masked and with sanitizing wipes ) But when they made masks mandatory in my city and I noticed about half were complying I decided to go back to quarantine status,only leaving for essentials . These stupid non mask wearing non social distancing fuck sticks are going to kill us all .

[quote] A case study in poor corporate judgement and what will be irreparable damage to a brand.

Just wait until all those fat Fran start posting On Facebook and Insta and wherever about how they got it at Disney.

Where can we get information about overall number of deaths? Florida's accuracy record for reporting COVID deaths is less than impressive. It'd be useful to see comparative statistics everywhere for overall number of deaths last July compared with overall number of deaths this July, then looking at number of deaths attributing cause to conditions that often overlap COVID, e.g. pneumonia or respiratory failure, and looking at increases in those categories.

Yeah Disney inc is the most controlling entity that has ever existed. I do enjoy anticipating damage to their brand.

R24 check out the Johns Hopkins dashboard.

I just heard that there will be no herd immunity...so eventually we all die from covid...no immunity means no vaccine?

Here's a question: on the chart I use, I see Florida has almost 300,000 cases, 4,277 deaths, and just 300+ "Recovered". Does that mean that aside from the 4300 dead and the 318 "recovered", the rest still have Covid? In four months, only 318 Floridians are "clear"?

The whole human race is in trouble, if you ask me. We are over populated now but that won't last long. Old people are going to go and fatties are going first

Indeed, R25, couldn't happen to a better company. "Mousewitz," you know.

I wear a mask and barely go out but I think I will come down with it any day now.

Do you think Ron DeSantis sits around like Trump eating mountains of hamberders and fast food?

He sure looks to be blossoming. Will he also eventually style his hair like Trump???

Glad I left when I could. Beautiful scenery, lots to do, but...

More likely there's no official follow-up on many cases, r28. If you had a mild case chances are you just got over it at home and didn't test again to see if the virus was still active.

BLUE Ft Lauderdale here; a block from the beach, with a birds-eye view. Deserted. The famed touristy beach bars and restaurants just down the road, and the gay clubs in Wilton Manors, deserted. Not too many mask-less assholes in my area, (they would be crucified), but we are now the country’s hot spot. Yes! We Won! Yeah! Surreal, sad and depressing.

Hopefully the masterful trump ass-licker Gov. Ron De SATAN, will politically die in a massive backlash over his reckless, partisan, decision making. Meanwhile, people are dying left and right.

I only go out for the essentials. Good luck, all.

Floridians of DL, what percentage of the population of the people are "Florida people"? How do you live around...this?

Deaths in Florida will go through the roof in late July. In Chicago it was like nothing was happening in March and early April, then deaths went crazy.

[quote] Plus, as [R10] and [R16] point point out, those who survive may be beset with a lot of complications.

So perhaps we shouldn't take too much comfort in the "steady" death count as long-term complications may be thru the roof, trending with the positives count?

R36 We avoid these specimens, luckily it’s a big state with space.

But how much of the population is "Florida people"?

My elderly uncle died in Florida in March from what the care home insisted wasn't COVID-19, but probably was. They worked hard to keep it from becoming an outbreak back then. Now the same people don't seem to care.

I think people went stir crazy and once summer hit and they weren't able to go vacation or to the beach, they just said fuck it, let's kill everyone off so I can have an afternoon sitting in the sun with 10,000 other people.

Some of these assholes will end up dead or with lifelong complications just to "own the libs". I hope it's worth it to try and get a rise out of liberals.

NE Florida here. I've been a lot more cautious since the infection rates started rising dramatically. Only venturing out for essentials. I went to Publix (regional grocery chain) yesterday and was thankful to see every single person wearing a mask and doing their best to practice social distancing. A couple of weeks ago, I was in the minority when wearing a mask in a grocery store.

I think death rates have to rise in another week or two. Just curious if they increase at the same % as cases did.

I can't believe the number of idiots who think wearing a mask means you can crawl up someone's ass ahead of you in a checkout line!

People, those marks on the floor that say "6 feet distance" aren't grafitti!

I've had to tell several people not to stand so close to me and they look dumb even as I point to the marks on the floor.

Most people seem functionally retarded and unable to comprehend the most simplistic instructions.

The Republican Convention there... hahahaaaaa

What a mess. Once the hospitals become overwhelmed is when people will start dying in larger numbers. That will equate to a higher mortality percentage rate which is usually recorded with Covid deaths.

Remember the old people riding in golf carts that were Pro Trump and saying white power. Wonder when Covid will come to the Villages?

I have a feeling this is going to be an almost extinction level event. And really, it's what we deserve. We are a complete failure as a species on this planet so it's appropriate that we go the way of the dinosaurs. Yes, it won't happen immediately, but over the next 50 years people who were infected will die off from the secondary issues and it will leave only the few who remain healthy. And that number grows smaller every day.

God, I would love for it to decimate The Villages...all before November 3. R49, this isn't deadly enough to be an extinction level event. But it also shows that if a virus came along that was a 50% or so fatality rate, we don't have what it takes as a society to do what we need to to survive it. As a trial run to a bigger killer, this is a total and completely dismal failure.

Sorry I didn’t read other posts but WE FUCKING TOLD YOU SO! Stay home and when you absolutely have to go out for essentials wear a mask and gloves!

I think the discrepancy between the fast rising positive numbers and the ( for the time being) static mortality rates is simple to understand: it's due to who first went out when the lockdown ended. I realize Florida is a little different because DeSantis never allowed state-wide mandated closures, but still, once any of the lockdowns were lifted, it was all the YOUNG PEOPLE in their 20's and 30's who ran back to the beaches, bars and restaurants. I'm not saying that middle aged and senior citizens didn't go out at all, but if they did, they were much more cautious about it. In any event, this younger group as we know, is far more likely to have either not contracted Covid, or more worrying have become Asymptomatic carriers. That's why in a few weeks, the shit's gonna hit the fan, when inevitably these morons ( many of whom do not wear masks) are either going to spread it to their older, vulnerable loved ones, or simply spread it through community transmission out in grocery stores, doctors offices or what have you. Florida and other Red State hot spots are fucked.

[quote]Stay home and when you absolutely have to go out for essentials wear a mask and gloves!

And a life vest.

As in most places, the blacks are doing most of the dying. Nothing in life is fair.

Can't we hold these politicians responsible and sue them?

Deaths will go back up, but we've also gotten better at treating it. Ventilators are now seen as an absolute last resort, and a cocktail lessens the cytokine storm.

R52 That has been my experience, young people out and about and lots of out of state plates on the interstate. Make fun of crazy Floridians we earned it, but you cannot discount all of the people visiting the state brining their germs here.

[quote]but over the next 50 years people who were infected will die off from the secondary issues and it will leave only the few who remain healthy.

I read an article last week about children born during the Spanish Flu having major health problems in their 40s and 50s. Researchers found, for instance, that people who were born in the U.S. just after the 1918 flu pandemic (that is, people who were still in utero when the disease was at its peak) had a higher risk of a heart attack in their adulthood than those born before or long after the pandemic. Tests show that children born just after flu pandemics have higher rates of physical disability, perform worse in academic tests and have lower income compared with babies born before or after pandemics.

Covid-19, which seems to attack virtually every system in the body, is likely to produce even worse effects over time.

We haven’t seen the worst yet. Think of all the long-term damage other viruses do: HIV causes AIDS, chicken pox causes shingles, etc.

I think Florida is faking the numbers. I am German and we have around 200 000 cases (Florida is nearing 300 000) and roughly above 9000 deaths (Florida has 4000+). I do not think this is accurate. In Germany, the virus was mostly spread by younger people as is the case in Florida right now, but within 1-2 months it reached care homes and the elderly, which should also already have happened in Florida by now. So, the Floridian numbers are very peculiar.

[quote] So, the Floridian numbers are very peculiar......

In Floirida we know that DeSantis is screwing with the numbers.

How about asking Merkel to call DeSantis and explain how it should be done.

I spoke with a hospice nurse last month, right around the start of the spike in cases and she told me that Florida was over reporting deaths as Covid to get the hospital more funding.

The example she used was a terminally ill cancer patient that has tested positive for Covid and goes to the hospital and dies from related complications. The hospital reports this as a Covid related death. She felt that this was misrepresented since the cancer was the real culprit.

I disagreed with her because Covid was the reason for hospitalization and rapid decline in health, the person could have lived longer had it not been for the Covid on top of cancer.

Manta, the most densely populated place, with over half of millions of people and only 9 deaths? What is their secret?

CNN: With more than 2,000 patients hospitalized and hundreds in Intensive Care Units, "Miami is now the epicenter of the pandemic," one infectious disease expert said, comparing the South Florida metropolitan area to the city where the pandemic originated.

"What we were seeing in Wuhan -- six months ago, five months ago -- now we are there," Lilian Abbo, with the Jackson Health System said during a news conference hosted Monday by the Miami-Dade County mayor.

In the past 13 days, Miami-Dade County has seen staggering increases in the number of Covid-19 patients being hospitalized (68%), in the number of ICU beds being used (69%) and in the use of ventilators (109%)

R64 was so predictable. I give Cuomo credit for preparing for that scenario before the US had the experience of it happening. FL and TX have no excuse - but they will make them. They need to shut down now. I can’t believe they are letting it continue to spread. Disney opening is a crime.

So, you're telling me it's not a good time to visit St Pete beach area?

R1 Those elderlies down there are the ones who keep Florida in the RED so how bad is it to thin some out?

R60, I think timing plays a part of it too. Germany was hit earlier on when not much was known in what worked and didn't work in terms of treatment. We also have a better understanding of how it's spread. So the numbers don't look all that strange given that there were a few months between the two.

Why is everyone getting worked up about Disney opening? If one thing the protests showed is that you can be outdoors and shouting and not catch covid. Disney is no different. I'd be more afraid of a poorly vented bar or restaurant than I would Disney.

R69: Disney did not need to reopen. Pure greed. Also, it is supposed to be a family/children place. Reopening in the midst of a pandemic, as cases are skyrocketing, proves they care more about $$$ than their visitors’ health and safety. Also, many Disney’s attractions are indoors.

Fauci told y'all but you didn' listen. NOW you know fat meat is greasy.

*many Disney attractions

You American bitches must be glad that all those red state voting deplorables will be slapped hard by Miss Rona?

R70, I hate to break it to you but the pandemic is here to stay. This is the new normal. So opening low risk businesses should happen and be carefully monitored.

r70 they're finding ventilation seems to be an issue and not everything mat Disney is opening.

I hate to break it to you R74, but Disney World is not low risk.

Is Trump sending the death ship to Florida?

It's as high a risk as outdoor dining, r76. And nobody is rolling that back.

Will Disney be social distancing on roller coasters and other rides? What about all of the railings and surfaces where children with their dirty fingers and hands have touched? Are people being encouraged not to yell on rides, because yelling can spread droplets?

Disney is not the place I would want to be while a highly infectious novel coronavirus is being spread around. However, all you deplorables come on in!

It's partly the optics of Disney opening. These are not normal times. We are required to do more than behave normally and act normally. If the virus is here to stay, which for the foreseeable future it is, we have to grow the fuck up, dial our lives back and hunker down except where it isn't necessary to limit the spread and protect others and ourselves.

Disney isn't necessary. Neither is a bar. Neither are a lot of things. People are behaving stupidly but unfortunately their stupidity doesn't sicken or kill themselves alone.

Am I thrilled as a blue stater the red staters are awash with this shit? No. States can flip. The virus won't be ballot sorting Republicans and Democrats. This is bad for the country, wherever it is.

So many Disney World attractions are indoors because of the heat.

Exactly R79.

Disney reopening video as an A24 trailer

Stay at home.

My trumpy elderly aunt and uncle near sarasota have finally woken up and are staying home after swanning around with not a care until a week ago. How bad is it on the west coast south of Tampa?

R79 have you been to any of the protests? Do they scream and yell?

And, yes, Disney is frequently cleaning surfaces like any high rise apartment building in Manhattan has been doing.

Oh, and R79, you do realize that Six Flags in NJ is open?

Yeah r87, but it's Jersey.

And yet there's no spike from Six Flags being open, r88.

I am a Disney performer and quit my job over this. I will not set one foot in Florida until things improve

Yes, we definitely know there's no spike because of the top quality contact tracing going on all over the country.

We're free! Let the fun begin!

Universal Florida has been open sice early June. Same with Seaworld.

Disney has reopened in several countries with no issue. Hong Kong Disney was closed, not because of a problem at Disney, but because Hong Kong had 1400 cases recently and rolled everything back.

Didn't DeSatan fire the person trying to accurately report the numbers...page straight out of the malignant narcissist's book.

I see the "there's nothing wrong with Disney opening" trolls have arrived.

Indeed r94.

Florida scientist...that's a phrase I never expected to see

The upside of Florida being a pandemic epicenter, lots of cheap real estate to come on the market next year!!!!!!

Just need to don the hazmat suit and do a CDC style cleaning first.

R3 mortality has tripled in less than 2 weeks.

Breathe the Covid air in deeply Republican conventioneers

[quote]The upside of Florida being a pandemic epicenter, lots of cheap real estate to come on the market next year!!!!!!

Yes, built from the finest cardboard and glue and builder can get off the back of truck on the interstate for a tenth of what you'd pay in a store.

Linked is the Florida whistleblower scientist's site referred to in R96's link.

I'm terrified for my mom - she is in an independent living facility in Palm Beach county (barely independent TBH) and they just locked down again, and just reported 'a case' on her wing (usually 1 = 10-12 from previous history) plus 20 in the building. She will die if she gets infected. We're all over it with her caregiver being super diligent but it seems so out of control. 😢

I hope she's ok R103.

Honestly, the DLers equivalent of thoughts and prayers, R103. It's nice to see someone in this shithole who cares about a parent. All good things. xo

"Now children, you need a D, and an I, and an E to spell D-I-S-N-E-Y."

Disney has more disabled and elderly guests than the other parks. They have implemented control measures, like plexiglass dividers in queues and social distancing markers on ground. They are skipping rows in some attraction vehicles (Pirates, Splash Mountain), which has made the wait times three times longer than normal. They have sectioned-off interactive devices in queues that require touching. So far, crowds have been very light.

Having worked for Disney, I can say they deserve the hand they've been dealt. They're a crooked and heartless corporation that abuses it's employees.

They brought this on themselves. Time to pay the piper.

LOL @R107... after that laundry list of anticipatory steps... they're still ba$tard$. And no doubt they are.

Can I get an F, R106?

r90 hi nick poulos, I want to suck your cock!!

I live in Key West. I think we should close down Rt 1 again. since our county is right next door to Dade county, the epi-center. Key West mayor and Monroe county mayor, both women , were great keeping the highway closed till June 1. Now they should have a roadblock and take people's temperatures. and screen them.

If I were living in Florida, I would shit my pants constantly, because I would be so scared of hurricanes. I am frightened of strong winds. And with the flimsiness of American houses I would get a heart attack even though I am still very, very young!

Here we going again, a Passport to Conch.

"flimsiness of American houses"

Many are well-built, many are not.

I want to have a relationship with an American datalounger! Anybody here on discord?

Florida houses are built to withstand hurricanes, so the structures are sturdy. Concrete walls and slabs.

Wood frame and mobile homes are not safe to ride out a storm.

Even some of the older concrete homes do ok in storms.

It’s important to note that no house is actually hurricane proof and if you take a direct hit from a cat 4+ you’re screwed.

r113 there will be mass hysteria again if we get another major hurricane, Ive been stocking up on toilet paper and other supplies like a mutherfucker. We will be in peak season soon. The lines for free food have already been huge, a lot of people aren't working and they dont have money for supplies.

The federal government will have to provide major aid to South Florida in the event we have a major hurricane in August or September. We will need twice the amount of shelters in order for people to social distance themselves. Even then people who have to evacuate will be making a choice to shelter with others who might have COVID or risk staying in their homes.

Hoping and praying for you, R103. How scary!!

{quote]I want to have a relationship with an American datalounger!

Hmmm, I don't think would workout, but thank you.

"Ive been stocking up on toilet paper..."

Oh god here we go again.

Well r121, there wont be square to spare or a bottle of water to be found once a storm is headed our way. Anyone in Florida knows the chaos that ensues once the big one starts approaching.

I'm a woman, but I'll be friends with you, german guy. Is there a Datalounge discord? (is discord a Reddit chat room?)

I was supposed to visit both California and Florida this summer/fall, and as someone who lives alone in a studio... it's a huge disappointment. It was the only thing I was looking forward to. Quarantining in a nice big house with a pool is a lot different than.. where I am.

r123 a tip for visiting Florida, its best to make travel/vacation plans when its not hurricane season. Never come in August or September unless you do mind cancelling your plans

[quote] They are skipping rows in some attraction vehicles (Pirates, Splash Mountain), which has made the wait times three times longer than normal.

That sounds like a living hell, standing around in 100 degree heat for an hour to get on a ride for five minutes.

[quote] Florida houses are built to withstand hurricanes

They have been built that way since Hurricane Andrew in 1992.

We even get the occasional tornado in the middle of a hurricane in central Fla. Nice.

[quote] I want to have a relationship with an American datalounger!

Why?

BLUE Ft. Lauderdale here again.@ R35. (Former New York City of 50 years, by the way).

I‘ve got to get this off my chest... Why the fuck am I/ we seeing pro-trump ads on CNN, no less!?

Is this CNN’s way of 1 - Supporting “fair and balanced” free speech, with a little 2. - Air time revenue added to their profits? and 3 - A ploy to enrage Democrats even more at the sight, and bullshit rhetoric spewing from Orangina...

Dammit, that’s what it looks like to me.

It’s like a three-way play. I for one try to limit my exposure to that incorrigible ass hole.

R125 5 minutes is extremely generous, it’s more like 2 minutes max.

im in miami and i used to go every saturday to wilton manors to johnsons abd boarwalk to get pinga. i miss those days.!!!!

old pinga in Wilton

r131 you have never been in wilton

R128, Biden just did a happy huge ad buy on Fox News. Not sure if they can refuse political ads.

Now, you know the hardcore Disney Deplorables need to get in their last rides on Splash Mountain "before they put that black princess in there" and scalp as much merch as they can. 🙄

Do they get many hurricanes in Jacksonville? Say....around August 24-27?

Wilton Pinga = drag kingg name?

I realize that you can survive Covid - mortality rates are relatively low, especially if you're not a member of some at-risk groups. But, still, you see the cases of people who aren't from those groups dying. You see the cases of someone who was fine, then got it, then was texting from the hospital recovering, but still died of complications. It can kill, so I don't want it. So, by choice I'm not doing a lot of stuff I could do - and it sucks because it's gonna be a while.

Do you think very effective treatments will come before a vaccine? I've read they're making progress in treating those infected.

Even if we get effective treatments, will they prevent long-term effects of the virus?

Just stay in you brittle queens.

It’s so weird that Wilton Manors is THE gay place for Miami. Miami has such incredibly hot men - it’s a crime there is no real gay scene. I love Wilton Manors nightlife - but it is old. And the town is ugly and located in such a random location. I’m surprised Miami gay scene died - even as the city grew. Wonder why?

I enjoyed Twist when I was in Miami years ago - but I think that was in South Beach.

R3 R5 Mortality rates going up exponentially nationally (almost 30% in the last week or so). Florida sets all time death number today.

The "talking point" (the insane truth that political parties/MAGA wants to challenge science for misguided grievances) that "well, more are getting infecting but not as many are dying", is, not surprisingly, not true.

[quote]Publix (regional grocery chain) .

We've heard of it dear. Bless your heart.

R130 - “ im in miami and i used to go every saturday to wilton manors to johnsons abd boarwalk to get pinga. i miss those days.!!!!”

R130, please use the downtime you now have due to Covid, to a brush up on your grammar, verbiage, punctuation, and sentence structure. It’s quite horrendous, dear.

R125 R129 Ride length varies, Splash Mountain is about 10 minutes, Pirates is about 8 minutes. The longest wait I've heard of was 3 hours when the Avatar ride opened in Animal Kingdom. Normally you are allowed three "Fast Passes" per day, it's like having a reservation to go on a ride at a set time, but right now they aren't using the Fast Pass system.

[quote] Even if we get effective treatments, will they prevent long-term effects of the virus?

R138 correctly identifies the problem about the long-term effects of the virus even if a person is technically cured. The residual problems could linger for a long time and could be severely debilitating.

R128 - yeah, stations have to show political ads and political ad pricing. FCC guidelines say that any candidate can purchase an equal amount of time at the lowest prices.

However, I thought that there was a 45 or 60 day time window before elections. It's July, so I'm not sure what the rules are for Presidential elections or if he can get away with it because of primaries or because he hasn't been formally selected at the Republican convention?

In any case, you can't blame CNN for running Trump ads. They really have no choice and Trump knows it. He will put the FCC on them so fast if they refuse.

[quote]I want to have a relationship with an American datalounger! Anybody here on discord?

Are you on the right thread?

Florida is a big state. Most of the cases seem to be in the big cities. Not sure what the risk is for more rural areas. In Miami, the cases are mostly coming from poor neighborhoods with crowded housing and people who went to bars and restaurants. There must be a lot more cases than those that are reported though because testing is still limited. Most asymptomatic patients probably aren’t getting tested. I just wonder how bad it is going to get.

According to Trump, CNN is fake news, so it is only right that the fake president be on it.

It's sad that the country that helped win WWII, survived the Depression, created the greatest middle class prosperity ever, and put somebody on the Moon can't do contact tracing or get its people to do the absolute bare minimum (ie., wear masks and social distance).

Enjoying all of the WINNING! promised by Trump yet, America??????

My heart breaks for FL...always. It is the most horrible mix of nature's beauty and human deplorables.

I can offer refuge to one young, attractive, fit man of Puerto Rican heritage who tests negative for COVID-19, is prepared to offer his body as payment for food and lodging, and doesn't have any hang-ups about homosex.

[quote]I can offer refuge to one young, attractive, fit man of Puerto Rican heritage who tests negative for COVID-19, is prepared to offer his body as payment for food and lodging, and doesn't have any hang-ups about homosex.

I've already got dibs on the Cuban!

Matt Gaetz and fellow Florida sleeze Andrew Gillum really benefited from Covid and the protests. They were hot topics that completely faded away.

My Trumpy in-laws life in Sarasota. They keep saying there is little to no COVID in Sarasota.

What I find scary is that I literally cannot imagine a solution to this outbreak. The idea of a cure or vaccine or something being invented and then successfully distributed to every person on earth just doesn’t seem realistic.

Will this ever end, or is COVID going to be killing people in big numbers forever?

R154, there is NO universe where five head gaetz was ever "hot"

Well there has been some improvement. Less intubations, more use of steroids; but that is really only temporary because the virus just keeps coming back. It seems air conditioning is a primary means of spreading. That said, we are supposed to be getting ready to abandon Florida anyway as most of it is less than 100 feet above sea level. So a little advance bad publicity is probably a good thing if it deters people from moving there or staying there.

r149, the vast majority of population of Florida IS IN the big cities. Who cares if it doesn't make big inroads in Gadsden county, or Wakulla county. However, I have heard that agricultural workers in crowded quarters in rural places like Lake Okeechobee are also heavily infected.

Because I want to write with American men! We should do discord!

All data now goes to Trump first not Fauci. Watch out for Fake News.

R10: Had this argument with my mother last week. "Positives are increasing but death count is holding steady" was her argument that everything's not as bad as it seems. Legitimate question: I thought they were seeing serious debilitating long-term effects among those who don't die?

Well, with all due respect, judging from your Mother, she’s had it, and has suffered brain damage as a result.

[quote] R106: I want to have a relationship with an American datalounger! Anybody here on discord?

Nein!

[quote] That said, we are supposed to be getting ready to abandon Florida anyway as most of it is less than 100 feet above sea level.

The Dutch live very prosperously below sea level but I suppose you're saying that they're too fucked up in Florida to transition to the Dutch model.

[quote] Matt Gaetz and fellow Florida sleeze Andrew Gillum really benefited from Covid and the protests. They were hot topics that completely faded away.

I don't think you can say they're in the same league. As a closeted gay man who was an LGBT ally, Gillum's transgression was against his wife and family. He no longer holds public office and his shenanigans are not newsworthy. He hooked up with an escort. Big whoop!

Gaetz is a congressman who puts his unfortunately moon-shaped face on TV at every opportunity to push this nation into further division, discord and despair. Whatever Gaetz is doing with that young man is creepy beyond words and funded by taxpayers -- he posted on social media that he was proud to "raise" a young man whom he probably started molesting when the kid was still a minor.

I mean in the same category in the sense that they both desperately want their stories forgotten.

[quote] they're too fucked up in Florida to transition to the Dutch model.

Pretty much. Florida Rethug politicians have largely tried to ignore the effects of global climate change. While the Dutch have worked to take on the challenges based on science and evidence, the Repukes want to wish it away.

The Floridians are as ugly as Ugly Americans can get.

Many are transplanted New Yorkers, R167

10,181 new cases today.

Mortality rate is 1.47%. I am having my doubts about the figures but this site (linked) is meant to be independent and not a Trumptard venture.

Exactly, R168.

Ugly ass New Yorkers baked by the Florida sun-a toxic combination.

Isn't a 1.5% mortality rate actually pretty high?

Say what you want about Ron DeSatanis, but would closeted meth-head Andrew Gillum really have been doing a better job??

R172 If you go to Johns Hopkins dashboard and look at "NY, NY" the mortality rate is 9.03%, I assume counting past casualties.

Can someone with COVID got to the Villages and poll the residents about Dump? Just make sure you don’t wear a mask and speak loudly

"Say what you want about Ron DeSatanis, but would closeted meth-head Andrew Gillum really have been doing a better job?? "

Absolutely!

Brevard County Melbourne...I dont go out without a stash of masks and sanitizer. I won't walk into anyplace without one on

Brevard: 40 deaths since March 1st. Look up Brevard in the link. You all seem to be doing relatively well.

r144 you forgot to take your antidepressants, girl!!!

[quote]Say what you want about Ron DeSatanis, but would closeted meth-head Andrew Gillum really have been doing a better job??

It wouldn't take much to do a better job than Ron DoRitos.

[quote]we are supposed to be getting ready to abandon Florida anyway as most of it is less than 100 feet above sea level.

Um, no. Just, no.

r178 we aren't as congested as other counties and possibly because we have a lot of high end tech businesses, Brevardians are a little smarter and take more precautions

Miami is having some trouble and so-called Dade county in R170's link.

R177 to be fair you had to go out with mask and hand sanitizer before coronavirus too.

r116 Let's do 90 Day Fiance!

Mortality rates lag. The truth is there is doubt that people actually ever "recover" in the sense of being as good as they were before.

156 deaths reported in today’s count.

Yesterday USA deaths exceeded 1000+

Well now that all Covid deaths will be sent to the White House, instead of the CDC, Florida will be coming out smelling like a peach.

Today: Florida almost +13,965 new cases and +156 deaths...

R189: STATS are kept elsewhere. And you can’t hide the sicknesses and deaths when hospitals are overrun. People will run to the news media either way. Dump can’t put a lid on this shit.

Meanwhile, in Fort Lauderdale

R188 that is terrible but for comparison's sake in the UK at one point over 1,000 were dying every day from COVID. The UK has a population of 68m.

[quote] Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp bans local governments from mandating masks The order comes as 3,871 new COVID-19 cases were reported in Georgia Wednesday — the second highest daily total since the start of the pandemic.

At least we're not in GA.

R192 what are we watching apart from fat police officers; even the policewoman has a big old gut?

From murder Hornets to inexplicable kangaroos. What's next, 2020?

[quote] What's next, 2020?

Hopefully Cheetolini retires to Mar a Lago for good. I am sorry to the Town of Palm Beach for the CONSTANT disruption that will cause. I live up the road, just far enough away not to be disturbed by Secret Service blockades, checks, stops-and-search. However, one good thing will be that the planes to PBI will not be able to fly over Palm Beach period.

[quote]From murder Hornets to inexplicable kangaroos. What's next, 2020?

We will always have meth gators.

Thug ducks

Squirrels with bubonic plague!

[quote] Squirrels with bubonic plague!

So far a long way away from Fla.

Never, ever, EVER ask "what next"?

Ever.

That's just asking for a kick in the dick!

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

And that’s what’s next if we don’t win the election. A kick in the dick.

We already had a kick in the dick in 2016

73,388 new COVID-19 cases in the United States yesterday!

That's herd immunity baby! Must be what the US is aiming for now that it's so far out of control.

Problem is that all evidence shows that you can get it more than once as exposure to the virus doesn't produce antibodies... Oh dear.

[quote] all evidence shows that you can get it more than once as exposure to the virus doesn't produce antibodies

If that’s true, and exposure to the virus does not produce lasting immunity through antibodies, then how would a vaccine be able to work?

florida is a cesspool. the residents - lead by craven idiots - flouted anything resembling common sense. the whole state should be drown

[quote], then how would a vaccine be able to work?

the vaccine, if possible, will never be a silver bullet. limited efficacy and availability will render it a fantasy for most. Treatment and reduction of the virus (but social distance and wearing a fucking mask, you idiots) will be the only way

Anti vaxxers will not get immunized with a COVID vaccine.

Then they get it. The rest of us will be fine

Look at the graphs on this link. Cases are soaring, deaths not so much; still too high though.

R205 it’s the new flu but more contagious. Immunity to the flu doesn’t exist either.

I agree with someone unthread that’s wearing a mask, keeping distance and disinfecting our hands is probably the best protection we have in the near future. At least when being outside the chances of getting infected are very low....

[quote]limited efficacy and availability will render it a fantasy for most.

There is no evidence to back up that statement. In fact the early vaccine trials are suggesting quite the opposite

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said on Friday he would not close gyms in his state during the COVID-19 pandemic because people who go to gyms are “in good shape.”

“If you’re in good shape, you have a very, very low likelihood of ending up in significant condition as a result of the coronavirus,” said DeSantis. “I don’t think it would make sense to close it.”

[quote] “If you’re in good shape, you have a very, very low likelihood of ending up in significant condition as a result of the coronavirus,” said DeSantis. “I don’t think it would make sense to close it.”

Will DeSantis be frequenting any of those said gyms, in his condition could be risky?

Ron DeSantis has gotten really fat, like Trumpian proportions. I don't think he's seen the inside of a gym in years. The inside of a Krispy Kreme I would believe.

Dont ridicule me! I eat my feelings!

So many issues to deal with re FL. First, it's no surprise, Floridians are incredibly stupid. Leon County sent this message out explaining how masks and smelling jean farts is different.

55 percent of C-19 survivors have heart damage. One in seven survivors has severe heart damage. Doctors are also finding brain and lung damage. They survive it, but they could be permanently disabled.

[bold]Florida is deliberately undercounting deaths.[/bold] They have reported 4K+ COVID deaths and over 8,000 excess deaths, for 12K total, as of June. So, take the reported death count with a grain of salt. Remember FL does not report COVID deaths in the following circumstances.

- Persons in nursing home or other facilities where there is no attending physician to certify the death as COVID. Coroners can no longer make a Cause of Death call regarding COVID.

- COVID deaths in prison, even if known.

-COVID deaths in military facilities.

- Unattended deaths in migrant labor camps - btw, buy canned fruits and vegetables. I really mean it.

- Unattended deaths at home - even with a COVID diagnosis, if the person dies at home the Coroner cannot assign COVID as cause of death. These are people who are getting better and suddenly die.

- Cardiac failure and pneumonia are most common reasons given.

[bold]WORRYING NEW DEVELOPMENT[/bold]

Patients are younger and are taking longer to die - to put it bluntly. The Houston Medical Center has identified a group of overweight 50-60 year olds (much younger than the earlier wave of over 75) that even [bold]after intubation the doctors CANNOT oxygenate the blood. [/bold] Basically, they say that they hook to them up to machines, play with the knobs, and wait.

Florida is running out of Remdisivir and Marco Rubio is going around mad as Donald Duck.

[quote]Don't ridicule me! I eat my feelings!

Who knew emotions were so high caloric?

74,987 new cases in the US today!

r220: There was a Dr. on MJ who said they were running out of Remdesivir and wondered where all the Remdesivir that Trump stockpiled (from the rest of the world) went...(prob to Putin/Russia). The stupid Red senators/governors don’t get that it doesn’t matter how much you kiss Trump’s ass, he will stab you in the back, eventually (unless you have dirt on him like Stone/Flynn).

What’s really hilarious is that DeSantis ordered a mandatory quarantine for the 3 states that actually know what they’re doing NY/NJ/Ct. if you go to a fla hotel from any of those states you can’t use any of their facilities. But all the deplorable states can. He’s such a vengeful pieces of shit.

[quote]Cases are soaring, deaths not so much

Deaths are a lagging statistic, which means that they started climbing last week in the U.S., right on schedule. Yesterday, for example, Florida hit a new daily high of 156 reported deaths. Texas beat that record today, with their own new daily high of 162 deaths. All told, over a dozen states have recorded daily high death tolls in the past week or so, with no signs that that will change anytime soon.

We're not likely to hit the numbers we saw in April but deaths are definitely climbing and I would not be at all surprised to find that our new normal is over a thousand deaths a day.

Memorial Day and the 4th of July are responsible for much of the upturn, although deplorables will blame the BLM marches. Look for another uptick two weeks after Labor Day.

DeSantis needs to be imprisoned in the Hague and tried for genocide.

R225 Yep, deaths up over 40% in the last two weeks. The "deaths not so much" was mostly a Pence/Trump talking point. Experts always said that increased death rates would lag after increased infection rates. And it's simple logic.

[quote] DeSantis needs to be imprisoned in the Hague and tried for genocide.

Russia and the USA aren't part of the International Criminal Court, along with Yemen, South Sudan, Israel and others.

Look at the crowds clamoring to ride the new Star Wars ride at Disney's Hollywood Studios yesterday:

Looks empty r230, was that a joke?

CANCEL this bitch

I remember what NYC went through in March and April and wouldn't wish that terror on anybody.

On the other hand, we never maxed out our hospitals. (Nearly but never over capacity). This can only get worse.

Thank you, R124, I honestly didn’t realize that

[quote] This can only get worse.

Perhaps not. The virus seems to be losing some of its strength.

From what are you inferring that, R235, in light of the unprecedented number of cases and deaths in Florida, especially considering the information that R220 has provided?

I am in SW Florida (Naples) and zoomed a meeting this week where the city council was debating whether or not to adopt a mandatory mask ordinance (it was not approved). Heads of the two major hospitals spoke and recommended the adoption of the ordinance. They spoke of hospital beds and ICUs at near capacity and cited current increases over the seasonal norms. What was most surprising, there is a time lag in the state's reporting of deaths. We are currently looking at deaths from three weeks ago. Death certificates have to be issued and sent to the capital and tabulated by Dept of Public Health. They fired the woman who designed the Covid dashboard and was dealing with the media in their effort to hide the real numbers.

Cesspool

r231 Yes, it was a joke. They deserve every bit of the bad karma they are getting.

Floridians love to say how they don't have a state income tax, what they don't say is the toll roads suck $20 a week out of your wallet and get this: the first year you register your car in Florida, there is a $400.00 fee. Lots of hidden fees to make up for not having a state income tax.

Sane folk of Florida, how do you stand it? I'd be slapping idiots daily

I know we're talking about Florida here, but Arizona and Texas are bringing in the refrigerated 18 wheelers for the bodies. This is not getting better or going away or being handled well.

R237 you said [quote].....They fired the woman who designed the Covid dashboard and was dealing with the media in their effort to hide the real numbers.[quote]

Was the fired woman the person altering the numbers? I thought she did not want to alter then numbers and they canned her.

[quote] The virus seems to be losing some of its strength.

Based on what evidence?

If u got rona in the UK you had 15% chance of dying. NYC 9%. Fla 1.6%.

[quote]Sane folk of Florida, how do you stand it? I'd be slapping idiots daily

Really? Are your arms longer than 6 feet?

America is crumbling before our eyes. We Germans look at you Americans and can only shake our heads. We are fassungslos. And Americans still do not believe in universal health care. The failed American response just makes all Americans appear in a negative light. Y'all deserve some collective guilt.

R246 was asking for a US penfriend just the other day. I guess no one took him up.

R244 Cite your source.

[quote] If u got rona in the UK you had 15% chance of dying. NYC 9%. Fla 1.6%.

Even if that were true for FL (it’s not), you’re about to see death rates from other causes like heart attack, cancer, stroke, accidental trauma, shootings/stabbings, drug overdose, etc skyrocket because the hospital beds and ICUs are all occupied with covid-19 patients. And the doctors and nurses are either getting sick or exposed and have to leave their jobs.

THAT’S why you try to flatten the curve.

THAT’S why herd immunity was always going to be impossible.

If you flood the hospital system with pandemic patients, that system collapses altogether and no one else gets treated.

They flattened the curve in the UK without masks.

No, they didn’t, R250.

The virus is NOT losing strength. Among the survivors, 55 percent have permanent heart heart damage; 1 in 7 have "sever" heart damage. These survivors may be permanently disabled - we don't know yet.

We know so little about it. It's just best to do everything within our knowledge to help prevent more infections.

Florida death rate: 1.4% since 1 March.

R248: UK 15.31%

Mess

I don’t think there are as many morbidly obese people in those retirement villages are there are in poor areas of NY and NJ. They may be overweight, but most of the people whose photos I saw who died in NY were gigantically fat.

And white Florida retirees have pensions & health insurance, so they can afford to see a dr regularly & buy medication for their high blood pressure & diabetes while poor people can’t.

I saw this video, I can’t remember where....maybe datalounge....where 2 ER docs talk about Covid and they said they had patients with oxygen saturations in the 50s who are completely awake & alert & breathing fine. In the past they would automatically intubate that patient. Now they just give them oxygen and let them hang out.

I wonder what that is all about.

[quote]Will DeSantis be frequenting any of those said gyms, in his condition could be risky?

If Andrew Gillum was governor, you can bet your bottom dollar he'd be frequency everyone of those said gyms.

And so would Buck.

R256, Florida is a fucking mess

There must be a shitload of deplorables in Florida? Except most of the people who get it are Healthcare workers and black.

173 reported COVID-19 deaths today. Setting a new record in the state.

The death lag is starting, right on time.

NYT Miami Bureau Chief Patricia Mazzei:

Hospitals and physicians in Hialeah, Fla., at the heart of Florida’s coronavirus outbreak, sounding the alarm: “We are not going down — we are going up,” said Dr. Alberto Domínguez-Bali, an obstetrician at Hialeah Hospital. He had no Covid-19 patients 3 weeks ago. Now he has 20.

They are all pregnant women.

It's finally starting to hit the Villages retirement community. Given the way those residents have behaved and the fact that 2/3 of them are Republicans, and hardcore Republicans at that, it's likely to get worse.

[quote]Since the beginning of July, hospital admissions of residents from The Villages have quadrupled at University of Florida Health The Villages, the hospital’s critical care doctors said. As of last week, the hospital admitted 29 Villages residents, all of them with the virus, said Dr. Anil Gogineni, a pulmonologist and critical care doctor there. That was up from the single digits three weeks before.

I really just cannot be bothered to care.

Play stupid games; win stupid prizes.

They gambled; they lost. It's really just that simple.

Is it terrible that I feel nothing for the people suffering and dying who supported Trump, refused to wear masks or social distance and thought it was all a democratic plot?

In fact I feel very DLish. Only speak good of the dead. Good!

[quote] florida is a cesspool. the residents - lead by craven idiots - flouted anything resembling common sense. the whole state should be drown

I’ve talked about my sister the drunken gambler who couldn’t wait to move to a Florida trailer park. Today I looked at the trailer park’s Facebook and its full of people screaming they will not live in fear. They are not afraid of catching a virus! If they catch, they catch it & God will decide what comes next. They would RATHER DIE FREE than live the rest of their lives looking like cowards.

They are even giving a hard time to kids who work in convenience stores for wearing masks.

Sounds like a bunch of terrified white trash right there, r269.

I don’t think they are terrified at all. They’re like that dumb character in all the horror movies who says they don’t believe in ghosts/Jason/Freddie/the witch/the devil, etc and they’ll prove it. And they’re the first one to get killed.

[quote]And they’re the first one to get killed.

Then why are so many of the fuckers still alive?

This is the way it should work. Let the virus run through instead of trickle trickle. It will kill the elderly who are not in good shape and younger people not in good shape. Then it's over. Let it rip....

It's difficult not to strenuously agree with R246.

You die first R273!

r273 - Don't tempt fate.

If The Villages are just now seeing a rise in cases, it's already too late.

The infection is already out of control. In 21 days they will start dropping like flies.

If there's one thing we should have learned by now, if you don't control it from jump, by the time you see the number of cases ramp up, it's already too late.

All you can do is try to prepare your hospitals and staff for the onslaught.

Bring it. I hope every Trump supporter who gets it is wiped out.

Will Latino Republicans like Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez and Senator Rubio ever cease to exist? They are such anomaly from the rest of the Republican party, in today's world especially.

R227 I am so happy that you used the word genocide. Trump, DeSantis, Kemp are all guilty of genocide, allowing the virus to spread without a fight or leadership. 140,000 already dead. GENOCIDE.

Let’s go to Disney World in the middle of a pandemic!

Cases are falling, the curve is falling.

R281 = DeSantis and Trumpet

r281, death toll is enormous

Not really, R281. Take out a few outlier spikes and what you have is a curve that is essentially flat, at about 10,000 cases a day, which is where the state was in early July.

Goodbye, Florida!

I have a condo neighbor who lives most of the year down in The Villages. He's an old creepy asshole, and leaves his condo here looking like shit 6-9 months out of the year when he's not here. I don't wish death on anyone, but I'M JUST SAYING it would be nice if his unit became available....

R284 - but if they haven't added additional testing facilities - which they plan to this weekend - it could also mean they can only test so many people.

Plus, I just don't believe any numbers out of Florida. There's been way too much evidence of trying to distort or hide numbers.

The only state with COVID issues where I trust the numbers right now is California.

I don't know if anyone posted this but this scientist said they asked her to lie about the numbers

Link to the site Rebekah Jones works with: new cases in Fla are falling, but so are new tests.

Danger again, gurl.

The hurricane will blow the virus back to China!

Those cocksuckers shut down ALL the state testing sites ,I wonder why ? Could it be so they can say "Look! our numbers are down!" ?

I live in Key West and we now have Dengue Fever hitting here. I think there are 12 cases in the keys.

Please keep it there, Key West. I dont want it.

How is it going to work if people have to go to refugee centers?

r295 from what I heard the schools that are normally used for shelters will be configured for social distancing. Instead of just the common areas like gymnasiums and cafeterias being used, classrooms will be also be used to keep high risk people and individual families separated from one another.