Naya Rivera R.I.P. 1987-2020 Part 5

Thank you!

Go Girl. RIP.

Petition to rename Lake Piru to Nay-A-Lago

R1 You’re Welcome

Brackish

Foreign Broadway

Shaylee

I remember this song being a turning point in how I felt about the character and the performer. Just really beautiful.

Is twitter melting down or

I’m glad they found her body. At least her family will have some closure.

You know everyone involved in the search is ecstatic they found her - gets the Twitter loons off their backs.

The twitter loons are going off the deep end. Pun intended.

If only Naya could have been on this beach with Mark Salling still, instead of the lake beach of her death.

Oh come ON!

Was she pinned under a tree like the psychic said?

Then out spake brave Santana,

The Mistress of the Gate:

"To every woman upon this earth

Death cometh soon or late.

And how can woman die better

Than facing zero odds,

For the brackish depths of bathers,

And the bottom-dwelling cods?”

Okay, mock me if you want. I always really liked her, and this whole thing sucks.

I'm not crying as a type, but this bums me out in a way Cory Montieth's dead didn't.

R12 “The lake beach of her death” has a very poetic ring to it.

Those divers did a hell of a job. I did not think they would find her, thought they would have to wait for the body to rise.

Well done guys. I hope someone in the Rivera family can be composed enough to thank them.

Hell I'm grateful and I'm not even part of this.

R16 I agree - it's really really sad and a pitiful situation.

R18, especially since that tree was holding her down!

I wonder why Naya went BACK into the water after she was safe in the woods with deer feeding her pinecones.

Did she go back after her phone?

Her acting (and Amber Riley's voice) was the one reason why I stuck with Glee for as long as I did. Despite being so disconnected from it, I actually worked up a few tears when Santana and her grandmother managed to reconcile at her wedding.

I really have to hand it to the Glee cast (that isn't Lea Michelle or Chris Colfer). Heather Morris was on Twitter saying she was trying to volunteer to help search, and Amber Riley made a comment that really read people who were begging them for some kind of performative grief. Part of me hopes that despite knowing how awful the putative leads were to each other and the cast at large--the actual ones worth watching--were close.

I remember Jane Lynch having to go on the Tonight Show to promote Hollywood Game Night the week after Monteith died, and she just looked so shell-shocked. I hope that means I'm right.

These phones will be the death of us all!

She had signs of Shook!

That’s Shookus, R23.

Twitter psychics should have warned Naya in advance how badly bodies of water have treated her in the past!

Now I know what brackish means.

Poor Naya was almost hired as a host on The View. They ended up giving the seat to Raven Symone instead. Naya was great when she guest co-hosted.

Ryan Murphy and Leah need to go next!

Anyway, Naya was the best part of that stupid show.

RIP.

Whatever happened to the white guy with yellow skin who was on Glee?

I would say I hope Darren is next, but knowing his legion of fat, ugly fangirls, his death would be too insufferable.

R31 can we at least wait until his ass stops being hot?

his ass is his only redeeming quality that's for sure.

this thread is missing the link to part 4 .

Very poor taste, OP, to portray a drowning victim as a mermaid... You could have found a better picture.

R16 It's upsetting to me, too.

With Corey, it was a surprise as I wasn't aware of his addiction issues. He was actively playing with fire, so as much as addiction is a bitch, he directly risked his life.

Learning that Salling was into CP was shocking and surreal. Somehow I always think of pedos as being older guys. I would likely end my life, too, if I was a pedophile.

Naya was trying to do something fun with her child, and suffered a tragic accident. My emotions are the same as they would be for any young mother and child in this scenario, but I suppose heightened by the fact that her family has to go through this in the public eye.

Her celebrity has little to do with it, even though I really enjoyed Naya's acting on the few seasons I watched. It's just a freaking heartbreaking situation. Four is way too young to lose your mother.

I got her ex does right by her family and lets them have an active role in Josey's life.

R36 I think he will. All the invasive paparazzi shots have been of him with her family.

There's no dignity in having multiple helicopters hovering around, filming the body bag that is still dripping water. I wish they had a stretcher to transfer her on, because seeing two men struggle to keep her off the ground and get her in the van did not feel like a solemn way to move a dead body.

I say this knowing that by watching the video, I am contributing to their profiting off of filming. I'm going to go sit in shame now.

I also say it with utmost respect for the team who worked to recover her body. They did a remarkable job.

Agreed, that was miserable to watch. RIP

[38] well said.

I'm really happy that, for her family's sake, they found her before she is too far gone physically.

[R38] *

r35 take it to Twitter

Well thank you, bitches of DL for an entertaining series of threads on an unfortunate accident. Hope Naya's kiddo won't remember too much of this incident.

Why Naya will forever be a heroine to most catty DL queens

[quote]I would likely end my life, too, if I was a pedophile.

He didn't end his life because he was a pedophile -- he ended his life because he got CAUGHT.

r45 he ended his life because he was depressed and suicidal. Or, people in prison killed him and made it look like a suicide. They are not nice to pedophiles.

He killed himself before he got locked up.

Salling having fun in hell.

Thank goodness their turmoil over the news has not prevented Twitter fans from offering stellar professional guidance for sheriff and SAR team!

"In case it's not her try to find out who that was!"

R49 nah, we'll just leave this random body in the morgue!

Some of the Glee stans are dumber than a box of rocks.

r46 No he killed himself because he had transported himself mentally to the jail. I believe this and you can't deny my beliefs!

"esme" needs to be sterilized, stat.

R43 Yeah I hope that her kid doesn’t grow up to be gay and in 14 years time come searching for threads about his Mother on here and read all the nasty comments from all you eldergays.

QAnon loon at R46.

r55 yes, you sure pegged me 🙄

RIP Naya Rivera Threads on Datalounge, 7/13/2020

R57 she hasn't been ID'd yet! It could be someone else!

Press conference

It sounds to me that she helped her little boy into the boat, and perhaps as the boat wasn't anchored, a current may have pushed the boat towards her and sort of pulled her underneath it, trapping her below.

Having to use dental records to officially identify her, it is so fucking sad. Poor girl. R.I.P.

I missed the press conference, why are they doing the dental vs finger prints?

R60 and R61 I would have thought dental records would be a blessing in that they hopefully aren’t asking any family members to do the confirmation so they don’t need to look at her in her current state.

As for fingerprints, you know what your hands look like after being in the tub or pool for 45 minutes. I’m sure after days in water there’s all kinds of distortions you would get in trying to get a clear print.

One of my favorite performances on Glee, made me wish Amber and Naya would choose to sing together after the show. Their voices go incredibly well together.

Who’s next from da Glee cast?

If you really want to know, R161, here are some terms you can search in conjunction with 'drowning'

Maceration

Washerwoman syndrome

Slippage

Glove-and-stocking

^^R61 that is.

If you do search and images come up, you may want to squint your eyes.

[quote]I’m glad they found her body. At least her family will have some closure.

Oh, with that kind of bloat I don't feel good about closure. That's going to take some elbow grease, getting that lid screwed shut.

Anyway, Mama says we can go to half mourning in six weeks and colours by September. So it's only a little while wearing all brack.

Bummer.

Seems such a freak accident, but they happen.

Poor kiddo and family.

“Poor kiddos” they said after Mark Salling’s crimes were uncovered.

[quote] That's going to take some elbow grease,

And draining some somewhat salty water.

I'm sorry for the girl... sorry her career sputtered, sorry she did so much to herself so young. I wish she'd had a happier and longer life.

Reminder: racist homophobe Drew Brees’ favorite show used to be Glee.

R72 So there’s a chance he’s a closet case?

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[quote] So there’s a chance he’s a closet case?

If he is, which I doubt, he’d be a very hypocritical one.

Boy, now that she's dead she took this thread with her.

R76, five threads in almost as many days is nothing to snooze at though.

[quote]f he is, which I doubt, he’d be a very hypocritical one.

It happens.

Apparently, based on what her son told the police, they think the two of them got caught in a rip current. She made sure that he was safe, but couldn't save herself.

That actually did get a tear out of me.

The pic of the brother and the mom with her arms outstretched kneeling on the dock (screaming in grief?) in the lake was very moving.

That’s heartbreaking if that is the case, which it sounds like it is. I’m sure they did get more info from the boy and maybe proper child therapists are now talking to him.

At first I was definitely convinced that she wasn’t going to hop in to this murky, dangerous lake to go swimming, let alone let the kid swim. But maybe they were taking a photo in the water, or were warm and wanted to cool off quick or maybe kid was begging her to go in.

The reality of the news is so sad even though we all knew the outcome.

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This is so tragic.

"Girl," R71? She was in her 30s.

[quote] Poor kiddo

Who let the fraus in? Begone!!

This is sad. I was so certain she had made her way to an uncharted desert island.

Loved her. Sad day.

You know I think that's exactly what happened. She had put her kid back in the boat, and she took a picture of him and sent it to a relative. They found him on the boat 90 minutes later. It was the last communication from her. I bet she plopped him back in the boat, took his picture and very probably dropped her phone so she went back in the water. Probably exhausted. They said that lake is dangerous. it's cold and has currents.

She probably fell back into the water by accident and was not strong enough to fight whatever cause her to sink down.

Everyone keeps theorizing about her having dropped her phone in the water, but I would think most people would realize it would be pointless to try to retrieve a phone from a lake. It's not like it would still be working.

R65 I cannot unsee those images 🤢🤢🤢

Lea actually posted something...without comment. I'm a bit shocked

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Kevin McHale shared some lovely memories about Naya in multiple tweets. They were together in London when they got the news about Cory. They had recently talking about running away to Hawaii.

Many of the twitter idiots are apologizing for their insane tweets. That's unexpected. The psychics are doubling down, of course

She took a photo of her son as they were headed to the pontoon, so much for the "she didn't have her phone with her, it must have been suicide" crowd.

And fuck all the psycho fraus who were saying this couldn't have been a case of Naya getting the boy onto the boat but not being able to save herself, because that's exactly what it turned out to be.

The woman died saving her son. Respect.

Yeah, you guys need help. First it was "she didn't have her phone, it was suicide" and now it's "she dropped her phone and died for it, stupid woman."

Every news outlet is saying she took the photo of her son ON THE BOAT, not in the water. Even the Daily Mail is saying it. Stop saying otherwise.

I honestly hope that's not true, but that he was on the boat and she was just cooling off when the worst happened. If she truly died saving him, it will hit him like an avalanche when he's old enough to understand.

I think Josey Hollis Dorsey is the inverse Patsy Ramsay.

I think Josey Hollis Dorsey is the inverse Patsy Ramsay.

Kevin McHale and Chris Colfer sneaking in jabs at Ryan Murphy&Co. in their tributes.

[quote]She taught me how to advocate for myself and to speak up for the things and people that were important to me, always.(McHale)

[quote]She spoke truth to power with poise and fearlessness. (Colfer)

chriscolfer Verified

How can you convey all your love and respect for someone in one post? How can you summarize a decade of friendship and laughter with words alone? If you were friends with Naya Rivera, you simply can’t. Her brilliance and humor were unmatched. Her beauty and talent were otherworldly. She spoke truth to power with poise and fearlessness. She could turn a bad day into a great day with a single remark. She inspired and uplifted people without even trying. Being close to her was both a badge of honor and a suit of armor. Naya was truly one of a kind, and she always will be. 💔

Sending all my love to her wonderful family and her beautiful son.

[quote] murky, dangerous lake

Yeah, to give an idea of how murky the lake is: if you're standing waist-deep in it, you can't even see your knees.

[quote]The woman died saving her son. Respect.

I don't think there is any indication this is true. It has as much merit as the theory of the phone falling to the water, or the loony psychics saying she was in the cabins. Pure speculation

I wonder what the toxicology will reveal.

You didn't squint, R92?

I tried to tell you THEN, so I wouldn't have to...

Plenty of people die without drugs and alcohol being involved

R106 I was just about to post about this it's hard to believe but according to the sheriffs that theory is plausible, they even talk about it in the press conference.

According to this video the son said the last that he saw her was when he got boosted into the boat by her and then she immediately disappeared under the water. So the theory is since the boat was unanchored the boat drifted, she panicked but had enough energy to swim to the boat and boost her son back into the boat but couldn't save herself. She probably usually anchors the boat but forgot to this time.

Damn Naya I've said deservedly bad shit about her before all this but I have to admit she wasn't selfish at the last moment.

R110 you have tea?

There are plenty of things that could cause a person to drown. My late aunt drown in a lake after receiving a deep tissue massage. They said she cramped or her body was too weak to fight the current.

The jokes aren’t’t funny now that we know she used her last breath to save her child. RIP, Naya! God bless her family and child!

I had a pulmonary embolism after a deep tissue massage! They are not for everyone.

Damn, if she had worn the life jacket, she may have lived.

People pay for their overconfidence, sometimes dearly.

R112, yikes! Sorry about your aunt.

It's probable she didn't put the life jacket on because she didn't want to drop her vodka stinger. It takes two hands to wear the jacket.

[quote] So the theory is since the boat was unanchored the boat drifted,

I know next to nothing about boats, but can those boats just drift away? There has to be some sort of mechanics that would secure the boat from moving, at least from moving away fast.

[quote]Naya was truly one of a kind

Colfer is such a bitch.

Who will be the Last Gleek Singing?

[quote]The sharp knife, of a short life, may the lord make you a rainbow.

Lesson from this incident -- avoid swimming in dammed-up reservoirs or rock quarries (also very dangerous).

R119 how so?

It’s really sad. RIP

Colfer Is a phony b_atch

Is that bitch ass Ryan Murphy really not going to make a public statement mourning her?

Didn't Gwyneth Paltrow and her husband Brad Falchuk know this girl pretty well from all of them working on Glee? Why the fuck haven't either of them said anything?

Colfer was always close to Naya. Naya got along with everyone except Lea who everyone hated because she’s a terrible human being.

R126, Goop was currently at her monthly vaginal steaming. She has not released a statement yet.

That dress....

R124 = Darren Criss, conspicuously absent.

Colfer loved her. He wrote a blurb for her book jacket when it was released.

[quote]"Just like Naya’s singing voice, Sorry Not Sorry is powerful, genuine, and full of soul. I’ve known her for almost a decade and still I learned something new about her in every chapter. After reading Naya’s book you’ll admire her spirit, talent, and wit more than ever before.”

Criss posted.

Naya mentioned in her book that the cast was surprised when Lea came to one of their parties.

[quote]I had a pulmonary embolism after a deep tissue massage! They are not for everyone.

Yes, indeed. Those things can be really dangerous.

I saw leaked pics of her body. She was so bloated as to be unrecognizable. She looked like a swollen piglet. It must have been so degrading and humiliating for her to die like that, leaving such a nasty sleazy cadaver. She probably shit herself while struggling. I can only imagine the desperation and the humiliation as she get her panties flooded with shit!

I have to stick up for anyone who hasn't posted. When my brother died, it was a local news story. There were reporters outside the funeral, at the cemetery, etc. That was incredibly hard, and the microscope was about 1000x smaller than a celebrity death, especially with a rabid fan base. There's no right way to grieve, and some people prefer to do it privately. And I'm sure some of them haven't remained close to her since the show ended and don't feel the need to be performative about it.

I feel like in the last few years, grief has become community pornography. Everyone feels the need to post anytime someone of note dies. Kelly Preston died. Do I feel bad for her loved ones? Sure. Do I personally care? Meh.

I tried to post the leaked pictures of her bloated ugly body on DL but some asshole keeps reporting me and they’re taken down. Search imgur instead if you want to see how degrading and humiliating a death she died!

R133/r135 what the fuck is wrong with you?? Have some respect you psycho.

R135 are you 14? How embarrassing to be you and so desperate for attention

[quote]Didn't Gwyneth Paltrow and her husband Brad Falchuk know this girl pretty well from all of them working on Glee? Why the fuck haven't either of them said anything?

The big blowout on the Glee set that made the tabloids was actually between Naya and Brad Falchuk, about Lea Michele.

She basically says in her book that after the incident the media was fed rumors of her firing from Glee by Lea Michele. She doesn't really name her but it's made crystal clear who she's talking about.

r130 uh

[quote]powerful, genuine

Chris seems to be saying her voice is too loud and it's "genuine" which means it's awful but she can't help it. He seems to really despise her.

To the bitches complaining, this is DL. If you find something offensive please go back to your PC cunt hole forum you came from.

Fuck you R133/R135

R141 and R136 she looked so gross: so fat and ugly and swollen. Can you imagine the smell? Ugh, she definitely didn’t leave a beautiful corpse. Now the family will have a closed cask funeral because Naya’s corpse is basically an aborted turd. How humiliating and degrading for her! She probably shit herself while drowning. Can you imagine how humiliating and degrading it must have been for her family to see her so gross and bloated and stained with shit?!

R124/R139 = Lea Michele / Darren Criss

I loved when she sang “La Isla Bonita” with Ricky Martin on “Glee”. One of my favorite numbers of hers.

OMG I showed my boyfriend the leaked pics of Naya’s gross bloated drowned body and he said she was definitely a closed casket case. Part of her face was like eaten by something. Ugh so bloated and fat! So degrading and humiliating for her. We had a good laugh about it. I love celebrities being humiliated and degraded.

R145, Go to hell Lea!

R138 What was the blowup about?

[quote] She made sure that he was safe, but couldn't save herself.

Ironic. She could save others from death but not herself.

R148 that’s a lie. He did not fall in the water. She did because she was overweight and had poor balance. She thrashed, screamed, shit herself, and then died leaving an ugly bloated corpse. Such a degrading and humiliating death! Such a sad end to a mediocre actress!

Ventura Sheriff's Department are thanking their stars they don't have to deal with any more "CHECK THE CABIN" TwitIdiots.

Anyone else here love celebrity humiliatia and degradatia? It’s fucking tea for me, gurls. I’m in full masturbatia mode now.

A thread with actual sociopaths and not just trolls, I see.

Poor woman, poor child. I just hope NR didn’t suffer too much and the kid isn’t too traumatized.

[quote] It must have been so degrading and humiliating for her to die like that, leaving such a nasty sleazy cadaver.

Yes, as we all know, cadavers are usually gorgeous.

Her death is so tragic. I can't imagine what her son is going through. I would be haunted by that moment forever.

[quote] Yes, as we all know, cadavers are usually gorgeous.

And every drowning victim is aware of what happens to her/his body after death.

This troll is not only an asshole; he's totally illogical.

I can’t immediately think of another TV show, or film, that has had three main cast members of this sort of age, die during production / within a few years of it ending, can anyone else? I’m not counting The Twilight Zone which was one incident...

Although claims are made for the Poltergeist curse and a number of cast members did die before their time, it is only Dominique Dunne and Heather O’Rourke’s deaths that were genuinely shocking IMO (although indeed both fairly shocking and it wasn’t a big main cast).

I've noticed a few of the Glee cast members (and Mario Cantone) have said that Naya was the most talented out of their group.

What a tragedy! RIP a mother is always a mother ❤️

R157 yes, I saw Kevin McHale (I think it was?) say that.

I hadn’t really considered it, but if I think back to who was the best actor, then certainly I can’t think of anyone on Glee better than Rivera when it comes down to it (I am sorry, Emmy-award-winning actor, Darren Criss).

Rivera did have one of the stronger character arcs insofar as these things go on such a limited show, which might have helped, but I understand she fought for it.

That image in OP — if only.

Everyone who worked with her seemed to love her. She was by far the most charismatic person on that show. There was a great deal of talent on GLEE. It's fun to make fun of, but not much fun today.

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Who?

How much do you think it’s destroying Lea that if she had been the one that died there would be so few people saying anything nice about her?

Stop being so juvenile R164. I'm sure you have no one who'll remember you at all.

Actually, R165 : Lea, I think 164 is onto something.

And it’s too bad Lea Michelle suffers from whatever ails her. She’s got talent. Why be so unhappy and miserable to others?

Lea posted a blurry photo of Naya clearly taken from a computer monitor as “tribute”.

Lea believed in her bones she was the next Barbra Streisand. She idolized Babs. She was aggressive and pushy, and insisted on shoving everyone out of the way . Naya was a threat to Lea because of her talent her drive and her personality. Lea wanted to be a force, but Naya was a force. Lea just had tantrums. Naya went to war.

From everyone’s descriptions of her, it sounds like she had a lot in common with Santana.

I bet we would have liked her.

You can tell everyone likes/loves Naya. Lea must have hated her to the bones

Bye Naya, loved you on "Glee" and your character helped a lot of queer girls too. RIP.

I'm surprised the Twitter crazies didn't double down and insist the body isn't hers. And a lot of them are apologizing for their insanity to the Sheriff's office.

I was really expecting they'd never accept it.

This made me sad.

Dianna posted. They seemed pretty tight during the show but seemed to have lost touch the past couple of years. Sometimes wondered if they were ever "more than friends". And this pic def kind of plays into it. But sad for them.

[quote]I hadn’t really considered it, but if I think back to who was the best actor, then certainly I can’t think of anyone on Glee better than Rivera when it comes down to it (I am sorry, Emmy-award-winning actor, Darren Criss).

[quote]Rivera did have one of the stronger character arcs insofar as these things go on such a limited show, which might have helped, but I understand she fought for it.

A lot of it--in addition to how beautifully they handled her coming out--was because unlike basically every other couple on the show--there was never a shred of toxicity to Santana and Brittany. There was zero logical reason to marry off Kurt and Blaine, apart from throwing chum in the water for the fangirls. But the two girls getting married? Made total sense.

R170 For all his praise as a creator, I think Ryan Murphy can be quite lazy and let some of his characters just evolve form the actors to portray them and this was never truer than on the set of Glee.

Naya, we hardly new you.

I feel bad for the kid when he's old enough to understand. Your mother died to save your life has to be a hell of a mindfuck. Start saving for therapy now.

Do any of our LA elder-ish gays know Shankman? I'm unfamiliar with his Step Up series, but it seems it's moving to Starz and Naya had a real part in it?

[quote] I'm surprised the Twitter crazies didn't double down and insist the body isn't hers. And a lot of them are apologizing for their insanity to the Sheriff's office.

There are still a few loons insisting that the death resulted from foul play and the sheriff's office should be investigating, or that the search-and-rescue team could have saved Naya if they had tried harder to find her on the first day, but yeah, I I too was surprised at how most of the Twitter kids have calmed down and come to their senses.

R181, I didn't know Glee has recently been released on Netflix, which could explain the influx of young fans. Though for twitter crazies age seems irrelevant.

In other news, Amber Riley posted this video of Naya and her son singing, just to drive home the tragedy in case we missed it. I stopped watching Glee early on, so guess I'm surprised the cast stayed so close. Naya seems like she was a live wire and well loved.

So, now that we are seeing that Naya was so loved and respected by her costars, does that mean that the curse is alternating between the nicest and the evilest of the cast members, and the next one on the chopping block will be a baddie?

R177 I think the biggest issue was the fangirl takeover . So you had Santana come out to be with Britney or Britany or whatever her name was, instead of keeping that as teenage boredom exploration and Kurt and Darren Criss' character as true love forever even though in reality nobody would be able to stand Kurt for more than 5 minutes .

The cast of Glee were the oldest "teenagers" since the film of West Side Story.

Kevin Costner has just tweeted that he and Naya were in talks to do a Bodyguard sequel.

What a loss for everyone involved.

R185 excuse me?

R186 - really? Because I'm in talks with Kevin Costner to do a Bodyguard sequel.

I can't even get Kevin Costner to take my calls.

Poor Kevin. And just as the prequel to [italic]For Love of the Game[/italic] with Kelly Preston had been greenlit.

Dianna Agron's tribute to Naya on Instagram is beautifully composed and rendered. Agron is quite literate and cultured. And lovely. I've seen her at a few poetry readings. Naya must have been a fun friend for her. What a ride those kids had. No they weren't teens, but they were all quite young in 2009. And the show became a phenomenon very quickly.

That photo of them all standing on the beach could never be staged. All those cast members and old friends in the same place - present for her body when it was taken from the water. It was extremely moving as a tribute to their lasting love for Naya. Beautiful thing to see these days.

Kevin’s projects are literally killing actresses.

The body recovered from Lake Piru in Ventura County on Monday was confirmed to be Rivera by dental comparison, and a full autopsy has been performed, according to a statement from the medical examiner.

“The autopsy findings are consistent with a drowning and the condition of the body is consistent with the time that she was submerged,” the statement said. The autopsy found “No traumatic injuries or disease processes” and no indication that drugs or alcohol were involved in her test. Samples have been submitted for toxicology testing.

R193 that's a relief

A relief to whom R194? What fucking business is it of yours. I'm willing to bet you're disappointed that she didn't have alcohol in her system. There are lots of good mothers in this world, out right now at a park or on a hike or swimming with their young children. Most of them are not doing drugs or drinking - until later this evening. Grow the fuck up.

IS she still dead? Really?

Come on man, cool down. I don’t think that’s what he meant.

All of these have been posted here or on Twitter. Still, it's a nice collection of Naya's best numbers on Glee.

[quote]The cast of Glee were the oldest "teenagers" since the film of West Side Story.

I know! Who would believe that any of them were teenagers?

What a beautiful tribute from Dianna.

r106 according to what the sheriffs heard from her son, the boy told them that his mom put him on the boat and never got out of the water. I heard it over and over on the radio that day.

The boats engine was left running, so it was moving while they were in the water. Naya had to get them both to the boat while the boat was moving away from them. She had enough energy to swim them both to the boat, get her son on the boat but not enough energy to get herself out of the water.

[quote]On August 25, 2008, 39-year-old Anatoly Naftoli Smolyansky drowned in the lake. Smolyansky was on a boat with his family when his 5-year-old daughter fell into the water. Smolyansky jumped into the water to save her but disappeared beneath the surface as he was pushing her back toward the boat. Smolyansky's 9-year-old son aided in his sister's rescue and both children survived. After a week-long search, Smolyansky's body was found floating north of Diablo Cove by a group of Lake Piru rangers and Ventura County Sheriff’s Search and Rescue divers. ---taken from the wiki about Lake Piru

If that’s a man made lake, and it’s full of debris that regularly kills people, why don’t they close it to swimming or something? I doubt the original idea was to create a lake that was so dark and dangerous it would kill people.

Aren’t normal lakes usually less full of debris than this?

Article with tributes from the Glee cast.

There is no way she tossed the baby into the boat. She either got out of the water halfways and then fell off again as the boat was moving away.

Did she have a life jacket on?

[quote] If that’s a man made lake, and it’s full of debris that regularly kills people, why don’t they close it to swimming or something?

If they closed every waterway in Southern California that had dangerous debris in it, every lake and river would be closed. And probably the Pacific Ocean as well -- with its treacherous riptides.

Personally r157 I'd say Amber and Naya were equal with Naya having an edge in comedic delivery. Both are my favorite voices to come out of the 2000's and I have often wished they had made more music together.

R195 calm down. That's not what I meant but I realize it came off coldly. Just judging by her parking job, it's possible to speculate she took or was on something. It's a relief that that's not the case.

I loved Naya. This is all very tragic.

And R197 thanks for the backup.

[quote] “We took them out to the exact spot where the body was found, just off the north point of Diablo Cove,” [Eric] Buschow [of the Ventura County Sheriff’s Office] told Us, noting that the late actress’ father, George Rivera, also made a trip to Lake Piru.

These is what's allowed at Diablo Cove:

[quote]3. (g) Swimming or wading in Diablo Cove is permissible along the shoreline and in the waters within the 5 miles per hour buoy line of the Cove extending out into the water no more than 50 feet from the shore. Swimming in the deep waters of the Cove is permissible only if the swimmer is swimming off of an anchored boat and so long as the swimmer is within 50 feet of the vessel. It is not permissible to swim in the deep waters of the Cove if swimming from the shore, unless otherwise provided in this policy or if authorized by the District’s General Manager and/or his or her designee.

Pdf of Lake Piru's swim policy

As mentioned on another thread, it's a man made lake created with a dam to serve as a reservoir for the LA water system. That's why there are so many dead trees and other debris at the bottom; they don't clean those areas out before they dam them up. Perhaps swimming should be forbidden.

So basically, don’t do what she did then.

204 she helped him climb onto the boat then disappeared under the water. She didn't toss him on the boat. There is a ladder on back of the boat next to the engine so you can lower yourself into the water from the boat or climb back up into the boat from the water.

This is what her son told the sheriff. You don't have to believe it.

"Don't do what Donnie Don't does?" R212?

I’m calling it now, this accidental drowning ruling has just opened the door to the Rivers family filing a lawsuit against Ventura County.

R209 Wait, this is the first time I’m hearing mention of Diablo Cove as being the location of her drowning? Has this been reported somewhere? It was not mentioned in the press briefing, they always referred to the northeastern part of the lake. Did they purposefully leave that out? I’m mean she’s Latina, she would have known it meant Devil, that makes this all much more sinister.

Touching tributes.

Anyways, I feel the same way today I felt a decade ago. Blaine/Darren Criss/Murphy's dick/ADHD ruined Glee.

I love how everyone has said how nice and welcoming she was when new people came on board. She is really coming off as the Anti-Lea. I believe she was most likely being nice, but I also hope on some level it was to show up the extreme difference of Lea’s bullying and awfulness as a fuck you to her.

It's interesting to me that Ryan Murphy continued to give Lea Michelle and Emma Roberts roles in his projects when Naya Rivera was exponentially more talented than the both combined. It clearly wasn't because Murphy doesn't like actresses with diva attitudes or who are rude to cast and crew.

Sadly, I think the toxicology report is going to reveal Naya was on something and that's what caused her to drown. I know the Twitter stans are creaming over the "she saved her son with her last breath" narrative, but it's pretty clear she was negligent and possibly high. They went into the water without anchoring the boat.

R219 you have no basis for that shitty speculation show a little respect. There is nothing to suggest what you contend, you ugly fool.

Family probably consulting with lawyers now or will be soon. They’ll make it like she didn’t know about how dangerous it is to swim there without boat being anchored or wearing life jacket, and no posted signs.

R216 - I also hadn't seen Diablo Canyon mentioned anywhere else, but it's a direct quote attributed to Eric Buschow of the Sheriff's Department.

According to his words — 'just off the north point of Diablo Cove' — she was just outside the cove and therefore in an area where swimming is prohibited. It looks like swimming is limited to beaches and specific areas of shoreline including some of the coves. I'm not familiar with American descriptors, but in my experience a person familiar with SAR would never use that wording in reference to the tiny point [italic]within[/italic] the cove that way. Also, several reports claimed she was found near the Narrows, also placing her outside of the cove.

Swimming from anchored boats is allowed in specified areas within the coves, but with restrictions. I quoted the Diablo Cove regulations to give an idea of what is and isn't allowed. Even if she had been within it and in an area where swimming is allowed, leaving a running, unanchored boat is verboten, obviously.

Barring the kid falling overboard (which would have been mentioned by now) and her jumping in in a state of panic without thinking about the boat, her actions put a lot of lives in danger.

R220 At no time has anybody - including her son - said he fell into the water. Which means she chose to go into the water with her 4 year old without anchoring the fucking boat and leaving the motor running. Not to mention that bizarre parking job. If she wasn't high she was jaw-droppingly irresponsible. That doesn't make it any less tragic or make her an awful mother. It simply means the melodramatic narrative that she saved her son with her last breath miiiight be a bit off.

how do you see the pics of the drowned body or are you kidding? i joined imgur but that didn't seem to help.

If her boat/ water safety is anything like her parking/ driving safety then it was just a matter of time when an accident occurs.

Wonder why Ryan did continue to work with Lea. Could it be no one ever told him how horrible she was? Or was he just blind to it for some reason?

I know at the beginning of the show Lea and Diana lived together. There were blinds that hinted they were lovers. Lea likes to cook and they would have dinner parties and invite the cast over. They seemed like a happy couple living in domestic bliss as well as working together. After some time there were blinds that began hinting at trouble with this pair (Lea/Diana). The blinds talked about how one of the partners was beginning to want others to join in, in the bedroom. Then the blinds talked about the straying partner wilding out and just fucking everyone they could get their hands on. The blind item couple then broke up leaving the faithful partner heartbroken. The faithful partner began to be a problem on the set because of their emotions. At some point in the show you can see that Diana's character began to get sidelined for Lea's character. I remember watching the show with all the gossip in mind and it did seem to be playing out like the gossip indicated.

I mention the gossip wondering if Lea was okay until she and Diana broke up and once they broke up Diana became such a pain in the ass emotionally that Lea turned into the monster. Or maybe all the dick she was taking made her crazy?

There is a limit to the information that can be pulled from a 4-year-old, even if he is being interviewed by an expert. We will probably never know exactly how or why Naya drowned, but the "she saved her son before she went under" theory is surely the most comforting one for her family. Barring any evidence to the contrary, and because it is the kindest thing to do, I believe the police are going to allow that to be the last word on this tragedy.

Naya was familiar with the lake, she'd been going there for years. Sometimes because we are in familiar territory we get careless, our comfort can make us forget that we still have to make an effort to be safe.

While it may seem like the kindest thing for her family, R227, if the Sheriff's Department doesn't speak out on the dangers of a lone adult (in sole charge of a four-year-old child in this case) leaving a running, unanchored boat in order to swim in deep water without a life vest then they're actively endangering other lives, including their own SAR people.

R219 I think part of your theory is correct, however she can be under the influence and be a good mother at the same time. While that may sound like a contradiction I am sure her motherly instinct would have kicked in when she sensed danger. So it’s not far fetched to assume her final actions were saving her sons life. That’s how mothers should act.

Here 229 another example, on the very same lake.

She most likely did die after saving her son by getting him to the boat and helping him climb aboard.

[quote]On August 25, 2008, 39-year-old Anatoly Naftoli Smolyansky drowned in the lake. Smolyansky was on a boat with his family when his 5-year-old daughter fell into the water. Smolyansky jumped into the water to save her but [bold]disappeared beneath the surface as he was pushing her back toward the boat.[/bold] Smolyansky's 9-year-old son aided in his sister's rescue and both children survived. After a week-long search, Smolyansky's body was found floating north of Diablo Cove by a group of Lake Piru rangers and Ventura County Sheriff’s Search and Rescue divers. ---taken from the wiki about Lake Piru

I'm afraid we will never know the real story given that the only eye witness is a 4 year old. Perhaps for the best...

Do the people that rent those boats not provide some instructions on how to operate the boat?

She probably didn’t read any of the posted signs. It sounds like there were a lot of directions about where you can and can’t go. Probably nobody that lives there reads them.

But letting the boat run sounds really dangerous. Before you knew it, the boat would be gone out of your reach. Maybe she got her son on, and was so tired from the struggle she couldn’t catch it. She was a small woman, he was probably heavy to get out of the water.

There were so many mistakes involved, I do think she’d had something to drink. Everything about this suggests carelessness. If it hasn’t been for Covid, she probably would have had friends there and there would have been someone to pull her aboard. Swimming alone with a small child that can’t help you is dangerous. She was probably trying to get him fresh air away from people, but boats and water can be dangerous.

When I was a kid I fell out of a small motorboat. I was wearing a life preserver but I sank pretty far down. I had to kick and push myself up. It seemed to take forever. I can’t swim. I had no idea what to do, I just remembered seeing people swim on tv and I remembered what they did with their feet, so I did that. It was terrifying, looking up and seeing the sun above. I didn’t pop straight up like a cork like you would think.

I feel so sorry for her. Her last moments must have been terrifying, sinking and seeing the light above, and she must have been thinking she had to get back to her son, but she couldn’t save herself. All she could do is hope he stayed on the boat and didn’t try to dive after her. He was too small to know how dangerous it was.

Do these pontoon boats have some kind of big ass anchors? Are they on a winch? How would there be an anchor she could have single handedly maneuvered that could keep the boat from moving?

I could buy Diana being bi, but not Lea. Lea needs too much attention from men. I wouldn't be shocked if she tried to seduce Groff knowing he was gay.

People cause car accidents when sober. People fall when sober. People drown sober. If people only did stupid things when they had a substance in their systems, ERs would have a lot less to do.

Should be place bets on whether or not she was under the influence?

Seems to be a lot of people convinced it's a factor in what happened.

R237 they said the same thing when the Disney kid died in his sleep. They were wrong then.

[quote] People drown sober.

Hell, I almost had a scare while sober in a similar lake to this one. My foot momentarily got caught in some arundo, and it didn't take long for panic to set in. I freed myself up, but this is not an atypical near-drowning experience. Of course, I was a 17-year-old boy -- prime demographic for drownings are over-confident and/or intoxicated teen boys and young men -- it's not usually mothers with children.

R234 - They're mechanised, with an on/off switch. It's no more complicated than turning an oven light on.

I've never heard of pontoon style boats having anchors. To be fair, though, there are lots of things I;ve never heard of.

Did this boat even have an anchor?

Why wouldn't it have an anchor?

I was basing my post on a Reddit post claiming the Lake Piru rentals were all fitted with the EZ Anchor-Puller system. I should have added a disclaimer. It does make sense though, that they'd try to make things as easy as possible for inexperienced renters.

If true, this is what the switch looks like.

r235 Not difficult to imagine Lea is the same kind of girl who in college finds out a lesbian has a huge crush on her and has no problem soaking up the attention. She's an attention whore, I don't think it mattered in the beginning of Glee that the attention was from Diana. But she grew tired of it and wanted to bring men into their couple and eventually just began to fuck every willing guy she could find.

I would look into the rental business to see if they are instructing people properly. Let's hope it was just her negligence of not turning off the boat and not the switch malfunctioning.

cuz' that would be a big lawsuit in the making. $$$$$$$$

[quote]the EZ Anchor-Puller system.

So why did she bring the child then?

R193 yeah I saw leaked photos of her corpse. It was so fat bloated and ugly. OMG it must have been so humiliating and degrading for her to die like that!

[quote]Do the people that rent those boats not provide some instructions on how to operate the boat?

CCTV footage from the marina shows that an employee from the rental place was on the boat with her for five minutes before she pulled away from dock. I presume he wasn't talking to her about GLEE.

The boat didn't kill her.

R248 is right. I saw pictures of her corpse and there was no evidence of trauma: just a bloated fat ugly cadaver. So humiliating !

The boat rental employee was probably asking her out on a date. Unprofessional ass he was!

Justice for Naya! I hope her family she’s the boating company and. Ventura county!

*sues

OMG you guys her death was so fucking humiliating! She definitely done shit herself!

How ironic that the little dark girl who got famous for swimming in the lady pond actually ended up dying in a pond. There’s a lesson to be learned here all you little fairies and dykes........homosexuals go to hell.

Kevin McHale says Cory helped “find” Naya.

Brad and Ryan are creating a college fund for her son.

JESUS Kevin McHale sure is ugly

Where was it reported that the engine was running, I have only read that the boat was not anchored.

I trust that as part of the investigation law enforcement has checked the vessel for mechanical failures.

It could be what lead to the accident.

As these threads draw to a close, I would just like to say thank you to you DLers for making me laugh, and RIP sweet Naya. She really did seem like a sweet lady and this was truly a tragedy.

And lastly, GIVE MY REGARDS TO FOREIGN BROADWAY!!

R258 And remember me to Piccadilly Square!

The Shook killed her.

R257 one of the early news reports I watched said the boat was in neutral when they found it. It might have been KTLA, but I don’t remember. It was a live report from the scene.

Alright bitches, lets start putting selections together for the fune. I need some good Spanish tunes

Alright bitches, lets start putting selections together for the fune. I need some good Spanish tunes

It’s good to hear that they are setting up a college fund, R255.

She should've said yes to the Legos.

I saw that report, too, R261 (boat was found drifting with the engine in idle).....which suggests that she stopped the boat for them to "jump in & splash around" for a bit.....but she forgot to drop the anchor, or didn't think it was necessary?? And thus, she drowned, trying to get back onto the pontoon boat, as it drifted away in the afternoon winds along Lake Priu?? Occam's Razor, people.

What are the odds the kill-switch lanyard was attached to her life jacket, and her life jacket was found lying on the driver's seat?

I'm not a gambler but I can think of worse bets to make.

In closing, let us all join hands virtually and say a prayer for Naya. Lord Jesus, last week you decided Naya was more needed in Heaven, rather than here on Earth. May you keep her in your tender and loving arms forever, amen.

I think the boy jumped without permission, she went into the water to get him out and couldn't save herself, with the emergency, no time for the anchor or the life jacket. You know he is hiding something!

Dropping an anchor in a lake filled with debris and trees seems like a bad idea. The anchor is likely to get stuck on all the trees.

I agree that likely she had the boat idling but the current drifted it away from where they were swimming. Strange though when alone on a lake with little boat traffic to not be keeping an eye on the boat or notice it drifting. There was a ladder on the back of the boat so she just had to push her kid to the ladder. An almost 5 year old can climb up a ladder no problem. I am still not sure why she drowned but I agree with the post above that 'saving her son' makes her death seem heroic and they will likely run with that.

Why a mermaid?😳

I agree with R270. A child that age is agile enough to climb that ladder with an easy boost.

She could have hung onto the ladder while she boosted him and had him throw down her life preserver once he was aboard.

[quote]and had him throw down her life preserver once he was aboard.

Well I told her, no Legos, no life preserver. Although I think she missed the last part as she was going under for the third time.

And in closing, let us all pray that sweet Naya's spirit will forever bless the brackish waters and mysterious condors of Lake Piru.

If she was panicking, all the she could haves in the world are meaningless.

We picked the kid up and dropped him safely before the rest went down.

We're not Mrs. fucking Patsy Ramsey, guys.

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She is keeping those thighs clenched tight.

The baby plainly feels safer on the inside.

Of course the bitch had to wear all black. As if she's in mourning.

Just a thought and I know no mother would probably do this, but isn't it safer in this situation to leave the boy behind, swim to the boat and come back and get him with the boat? The boy was wearing a life jacket, she wasn't and she probably wasted a lot of energy trying to get to the boat with the boy in tow.

Colfer writes a touching tribute to Naya and manages to shade Murphy too.

As an actress, Naya could tell a whole story with one expression. It didn’t matter how outrageous the plot was, she spoke with so much authenticity, she made you believe every word she said, and often, you’d forget she was acting at all.

She was never afraid to stand up to authority, she always called out mistreatment where she saw it and she always told you the truth — even when it was hard to hear.

I don’t think this was mentioned before, but Naya’s body was found at the same time that her costars were on the shore praying for her.

R281... in normal people I don't think you can underestimate the inherent instinct to protect your child. Rational thought, alternative thoughts probably couldn't occur to her... she was going to get that kid back to safety or die trying. And she did.

[quote]Just a thought and I know no mother would probably do this, but isn't it safer in this situation to leave the boy behind, swim to the boat and come back and get him with the boat?

There's part of an idea there, but I wouldn't complicate it with all those extra steps.

[quote]Naya could tell a whole story with one expression.

As long as the stories were [italic]The Mirror Has Two Faces[/italic] and [italic]Frozen[/italic].

Sweetie, we all have that one great smile pose that is a standard go-to when we see a camera. This was hers.

Oof. Netflix has a (mediocre) competition baking show called Sugar Rush. They dropped the most recent season at the end of July. Naya is the guest judge on the second episode.

They did have a nice dedication to her, but still.

I just revisited this thread and feel sad all over again. It's still shocking that she is gone.

R289, don't be sad, she is now home with the Lord. Where we all hope to be one day.

It’s sad that we never really found out what lead to her drowning. The autopsy didn’t find anything wrong with her physically and no drugs so I wonder if maybe there was an issue with the boat that caused it to float away and she tried to swim out with her kid to catch it.

Da fuck!?

[Quote] Naya Rivera was zipping around in a rented pontoon boat on a lake outside of Los Angeles with her young son Josey on the afternoon of July 8 when she reached out to her dad - George Rivera - with a FaceTime call, looking for a bit of advice.

[Quote] "She would always bounce stuff off me," George, 64, tells PEOPLE in an exclusive interview for this week's issue. "And she wanted to go swimming with Josey out in the middle of the lake."

[Quote] But when his eldest daughter informed him that THE BOAT DIDN'T HAVE AN ANCHOR, George - who was taking a break from remodeling his home in Knoxville, Tennessee, when the call came through - instantly realized that jumping into the lake for a swim was a bad idea.

[Quote] "I could see that the wind was blowing and my stomach was just cringing," recalls George, an avid boater. "I kept telling her, 'Don't get out of the boat! Don't get out of the boat! It will drift away when you're in the water.'"

[Quote] After about three minutes, their FaceTime call cut out. "It was just heartbreaking," says George, who was left staring at the screenshot he snapped of his daughter in sunglasses and a baseball cap, grinning beneath the boat's canopy with a bright blue sky overhead.

[Quote] "I had this bad feeling that was just killing me," he remembers.

[Quote] Within hours of that phone call, the bad feeling George had in the pit of his stomach became reality.

[Quote] Naya drowned after exhausting herself while struggling to get Josey back into the boat after the two went swimming, according to a report released by the Ventura County Medical Examiner.

[Quote] "It's still pretty much a big blur of pain almost a year later," says George, fighting back tears. "Things are slowly coming a little more into focus, but I don't know if I'll ever find closure from this. I miss her every day."

What IS the big deal???? I'm still around AND I have a baby.

Why is everyone pretending that she didn't leave her baby boy on that boat alone while she committed suicide?

R296

Mostly because her son said something along the lines of "Mommy helped me on the boat and then went to sleep in the water."

[quote] Why is everyone pretending that she didn't leave her baby boy on that boat alone while she committed suicide?

Because we are not one of her faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaans!

Did Miss Naya think the boat would just "stay there" without an anchor?

it should have been that man Lea

Who's the next Gleekster to die?

Kristi Dawn almost got taken out by a lamp.

[quote]"I had this bad feeling that was just killing me," he remembers.

Killing YOU? What about ME?

My CAREER has been killed! Won't somebody think about THAT?

Holy crap, what was she thinking

[Quote] Holy crap, what was she thinking

Murder-suicide but she couldn't go through with the murder part.

R306, I'd almost lean toward that. Although she had White Claws in her bag, I understand there was no impairment like she was hopped up on alcohol or drugs. How in her right mind would she jump into that murky water in the wind while responsible for her child, no boat anchor? Not to mention having the kid in the water as well? This story still shocks me. Hard to believe she's really gone in such a tragic way.

[quote] she had White Claws in her bag

That's probably what actually killed her.

R304: Bitch your career has been dead for years now.

[quote] How in her right mind would she jump into that murky water

Brackish water

[quote]Although she had White Claws in her bag

Is this Siegfried and Roy's new signature fragrance?

It would be more interesting if this were a suicide or if she was very drunk or high, but the rather more dull truth is that it was likely an accident from fairly low-key causes. A reminder that many deaths are fairly banal.

She had had a little bit of White Claw, was on meds, didn’t eat properly — not exactly Cory Monteith levels of indulgence but not insignificant when taken together — and went out on the water and then into it in a not very good decision. The combination of stuff in her system very possibly affected her judgment, and/or reaction times to a sudden current, cramp or fatigue.

She drowned probably within a couple of minutes of getting into trouble. Accidental drownings are relatively common and suicides by drowning fairly rare. Often people will say that “X knew boats, X could swim, X wouldn’t do something dumb like jumping in there, this doesn’t make sense!!”, but people frequently overestimate their swimming ability especially in outdoor conditions, and underestimate cold water dangers.

[quote] suicides by drowning fairly rare

I’m Mrs. Norman Maine

She could still be in the cabins on the shore!!

I don't buy it R312. She was crazy but not that stupid. She left her son adrift while she committed suicide, but to saddle little Josey with that story for the rest of his life would be cruel.

I’d be here for the drama R315 by all means, but all evidence is Rivera died a sadly prosaic and avoidable death.

Did any of you see Rivera's self tape for Anita in WSS? She seemed mentally ill.

I don't think she was in her right mind. I got that impression from the CCTV video of her making her way to the rental place. She paid almost no attention to the child. He was behind her as she advanced towards the pontoons.