Experiences with Straight Men

I have a (now) married straight friend, at some point when we were drunk as teenagers he kissed me. So we kissed for a while but nothing more. Years later we were drunk again and he said that he didn’t think sleeping with someone of the same sex meant he was cheating on his wife. I never felt attracted to him like that so I changed the subject.....Well that’s the closest I got anyway.

My only sexual experience with a straight guy was a few years ago - a great friend of several years, actually. He visited me, we day drank and smoked weed. That night we drunkenly/stoned watched porn together, and jerked off while lying on the same bed. I stupidly took it too far, and asked if I could lick his cum off his stomach. For whatever reason, THAT was his line, and he got weirded out by that. We went to sleep, never spoke of that again. But, things were never the same after that.

Hate to break this to everyone, but if a guy engages in sexual activities with another guy, he isn't straight.

There's an entire site about this OP: NIFTY Archives

This is true story and not a nifty.org cut and paste. Picture it... Staten Island 1999. I had just graduated high school, it was the height of the nascent online AOL chat room era, and I started talking with someone who, as it turns out, went to school with me. We were hesitant to reveal who we were to each other, but once we did I was shocked to learn the person I had been talking to was a guy I had known since grade school. Dark, Italian and most definitely straight. He told me he was curious about guys and hadn't done much more than jerk off with someone else. I tried a few times to get him to meet up, but he always retreated out of fear and confusion. Fast forward about a decade... I run into that same guy in a barber shop up the street from my house. As it turns out, he had become a NYC firefighter, was married and had three kids. Conversation was normal until I said "remember our AOL chats?". He smiled and said he regretted not meeting up and he had since had some experiences, but stopped after he got married. I told him "well if you ever still get the itch for it, I literally live up the block and your firehouse is a few blocks away". He laughed and demurred but said "I'll tell you what... give me your number. We'll see". Sure enough about a week later he texted me "just got off my shift... you around?". He comes to my house and the second the gets in the door he mails me. Tongue down my throat, ripping clothes off. He was hung big and thick. Even though I'm mostly a top, I let him fuck me. It was intense and passionate. You could tell he had been bottling up his desires for sex with a man for quite some time. He fucked like a champ. The sex was great. I told him he was welcome back any time. He did take me up on that offer a few times. Less and less over the next year or so. One day after not hearing from him for a while, I texted him (normally he would only text me), and he said he couldn't do this anymore because he was "liking it a little too much". I respected that and told him if he changed his mind, he knew where to find me. He texted me some time later to tell me he was being transferred to a firehouse in the Bronx and I probably would t hear from him anymore. Occasionally, since he has no social media, I'll look at his wife's Facebook page (yes I stalked and found out his wife's name). He's put on a bunch of weight. His wife looks like a fat middle aged frau. Kids seem nice enough. I guess he got to have his cake and eat it too... but who knows how he really feels inside.

Of course you can be basically straight but not be averse to a little experimentation, R3.

Hot.

well, at least r5 actually had sex...

my experiences were straight friends who were willing to get a blow job. i was happy to oblige.

This. Never. Happened.

r9 can’t. get. laid.

I’ve shared this story on this site before about sex with a straight guy. My episode is fairly common I suppose, based on the number of times it’s been shared but in my case I was out drinking with a straight friend and the evening was so fun and drunken that we added sex to it. He knew I was gay and was comfortable with it. I made the first move, he laughed a bit nervously but didn’t NOT discourage me. We had sex, spent the night together and in the morning went out for breakfast. It never happened again and he never acted weird about it afterwards. He’s married to a great woman.

The fireman is bisexual, not heterosexual (straight). But if fudging the label gives you a hardon...

I met a gorgeous piece of straight rough trade on Craigslist before they shut down the personals section. He pinned me on the bed, threw my legs up, spit on his dick, and went in raw. Fucked me for 20 minutes, HARD. Kept spitting in my face, slapping me, and calling me “faggot” and “queer.” I was so fucking hard the whole time.

He blew his load deep inside me and then flew into a RAGE. Punched me in the stomach, threw me to the floor, and told me not to get up. I laid there while he pushed everything on my dresser onto the floor, punched a hole in my wall, then jerked the front door open and left, slamming it so hard, it came off one of the hinges.

I was so scared (but kind of aroused at the same time) that he would come back and kill me that I spent the next two nights with a friend of mine, who came and fixed my door.

A grease fire for the queens fucking up this thread with all their. prissy orientation clarifications

I've helped a few straight men experiment. Mostly they find they're not actually into it once the initial thrill of doing something taboo is over, though one college football player did want to hook back up with me for repeat performances until he found Jesus. Likewise I've found most of the thrill is in the chase, and once you actually get them in bed lack of technique makes for a disappointing performance.

Bi guys who've gone too long without male companionship on the other hand...

Since people have mentioned firemen and bi guys, I had a month long thing with a bi fireman while out of town on business a couple of years ago. We met a few days after I posted an ad on Craigslist. When he got to my hotel, we talked a little and he mentioned being a fireman and having a girlfriend. Google later confirmed this to be true. It didn't take us long to start going going at it.

I've fooled around with bi guys and guys who were experimenting before. I'd say most of them were anxious sometime during our encounter or felt guilty about it afterwards. This guy was not like that. He was comfortable in his skin, ready to go from the start, and liked it enough to come back every week I was there. He was a good looking guy, above average in all respects. Looks, body, dick. That was a fun month.

HOT, R13!!! I'm hard.

It's wonderful that all the straight guys Dlers have nabbed have been either all or some combination of built,hung,firemen/jock/blue collar,naturally masc, exceptional in bed and always tops.

You're the only one who thinks you're being clever, R18.

That’s why I don’t share my experiences because you automatically get accused of being a liar or embellishment. People assume because it sounds like something they read online it must be fiction. No, sometimes it actually happens in real life.

Share, R20. Don't let the bitter bitches discourage you.

My buddy was a pocket gay. Cute. He slept with a lot of married guys. Said the trick was being both aggressive & demure. . He also was into adult bookstores. - said to go early in the day @ lunch or right after work to get married pole. I always thought his height played into it:.

[quote]Hate to break this to everyone, but if a guy engages in sexual activities with another guy, he isn't straight.

I’ll smoke a cigarette 🚬 on occasion (meaning once every few years) just because it’s been offered to me and I think “why not?”. I certainly would never buy a pack of cigarettes, or ask for one, but if it’s offered I’ll smoke it just for the hell of it. I would also never be upset if someone said I could never have a cigarette again. So does that mean I should be labeled a smoker, or even an occasional smoker?

Things like this make me understand why people get so fed up with labels.

Great analogy, r23! I'm going to remember that.

I admit that being gay was never easy, but the tribalism, parsing/labeling of subgroups and identity politics of today makes being a sexual minority a tiresome chore, devoid of any joy, fun, or happiness. Nothing but cynicism, rage and bitter divisiveness. Ironically it’s anything but “gay”.

I hooked up with a rookie cop.

I was about 29, he was 25ish. He pulled me over for a speeding violation and said he smelled weed in my car. He sternly asked me if I had any in my possession and to NOT lie or there would be consequences. I hesitated, but told him that yeah.. I'd blazed up about 30 min ago.

He thanked me for being honest and said he'd let me go with a warning. I was in nursing school at the time and told him that an arrest would've surely derailed my career plans. I happened to run into him again months later where he was working security at an outdoor concert. The sparks definitely flew. I felt emboldened having just come out within the past year and chatted Officer M*** up.

I offered to buy him dinner after he got off (he was in civilian clothes and working off-duty at the time) We met at a diner, after he kept me waiting for 30 min.. I thought he changed his mind. Anyway.. he followed me to my place for an offer of a beer or 2. After half a beer he became more assertive and began asking very personal questions, my last relationship, had I slept around a lot... with whom and so-forth.

Things got heated and physical when he suddenly hugged me and we sorta slow danced.. without music. One thing lead to another, clothes hurriedly came off, and we went at it with animal-like passion right there on the carpet.

This encounter gave a recently out me a whole new level of confidence. We hooked up one other time, albeit under more planned, discreet and subdued conditions... but the sex was steamy and mutually satisfying, though he didn't allow any ass play, he most definitely worked mine over. He transferred to a suburban dept and our paths never crossed again.

Officer M*** was about 5'9", slim build. Dark hair in a military buzz. Hairy legs and forearms, which I kept admiring when he initially pulled me over. He might not have been TOTALLY straight to begin with, but he wasn't a pro 'mo with lots of previous experience hooking up with dudes either.

drugs are a great way to suck some primo straight cock. and, yes, they are straight.

r18 my straight hookups were none of these. two were friends from high school (one played soccer, one a skater), one a fraternity brother. there was no interest on their part except getting their rocks off.

Gay panic or a rape accusation isn’t worth the trouble.

NIFTY story, R26.

Since these threads are catnip to DL's "straight guys dig the homosex" trolls, I'm truly surprised this thread isn't in part III or Part IV by now.

Jenny Jones ^^^

AIKC: Is that really you? Where have you been?

Very nice, r26.

I’m addicted to straight rough trade. I pretty much can’t get it up for gay guys at all. They are a turnoff to me. I want a big masculine brute to fuck me and make it hurt!

R34 and I think that takes courage to admit, and we all wish you luck in pursuit of that, don’t we girls?

R33 R35

I've had sex with lots of men who were married to women. I don't know if they were 'straight'. They certainly enjoyed the mansex.

I had two periods of my life - one right out of college where I lived in a very boring, small rust belt city, and one where I lived and worked for about seven years in a Midwestern college town, where I played with a lot of men that were straight or married.

I am not a person that thinks every man is gay, or that somehow a wedding ring means 100 percent heterosexuality. But I was a very eager cocksucker, and I liked mature men, often the kind of guys that were not getting attention from their wives, and apparently for some, knowing a guy wanted to suck them off no strings attached, they took me up on the offer.

I did blow a cop once, but he wasn't a young stud rookie. He was an older Polish daddy. I've posted about him here before. Physically handsome, tall, what we used to call "bruta bella" (so rough/ugly he's handsome.) That one happened in the front seat of his cruiser. Also blew a daddy type who was a Marine recruiter. Again, not one of the guys out of a porn story, but still hot to me.

When I lived in the old mafia run rust belt city I would often go to a straight bar that was kinda friendly to all, theater people would be there, singalongs, all that. I can remember three different times being there, and striking up a conversation with some handsome guy, older and married, and ended the night each time with the gentleman of that particular evening putting his cock in my mouth. One very handsome gentleman who reminded me a bit of Alan Rickman gave me a hug before he left, with tears in his eyes, and told me "You made me feel like the hottest man in the world, and that was a beautiful gift." (This was the same man who, after telling me he was pretty sure I was flirting with him, said "You're adorable, but you're not fooling anyone. You sort of have "I suck cock" written on your forehead!")

The rural town was later on, around the time of Craigslist, more Internet driven, more transactional, I guess. The guys knew they could get no-strings head and there was a lot of them. I wasn't a slut by any means but when I went fishing I didn't have to wait long for a bite. A few really hot married/straightish guys there, the best being an assistant coach of the college's basketball team. I think that guy wins hairiest man I was ever with AND the guy who came the most.

I have been at a few business conference type things filled with guys who were open to playing with female and male attendees there. I didn't do anything there, though (don't shit where you eat, etc.)

I can't say that I ever made it a point to go after a guy who was married or identified as straight. My thing was that I liked older men, maturity and/or confidence were turn ons and so were guys who were sort of relaxed about their identity (not trying too hard to be butch or a hardass or anything like that). Also, I was never a super pretty twink or jock, and never really had much luck in gay clubs or with gay men, so I hung out where I felt welcome.

I like your style R38. You seem like a fun guy.

Thanks, R39!

*tip of the hat*

R35, I can always spot another gay. Even the ones who are supposedly “masculine.” There are always tells. And as soon as I pick up on it, all I can see is a simpering, mincing, nelly queen. A real man is into pussy, not other men. So there has to be that violent aspect to it. He’s fucking me because he can’t get any pussy and he hates me for it. I am repulsive to him, but he has get his rocks off. A real man would beat the shit out of a queer he was fucking.

I won't get into the straight/bi/gay bullshit argument. Let them believe whatever they want.

This guy started as a general friend that I met at a bible study in college. I swear I was there for holly reasons, but the eye candy within my college-aged group was too much to pass up. The guy had a long-term girlfriend, but they have never hookup in 3 years of dating. I mean absolutely nothing sexual. He was probably a horny little boy. He sort of gravitated towards me as a friend, and I was happy to oblige. We would go one a few church retreats but would sneak off for some alone time to chat about random topics. I was in the closet and can "pass" so there was nothing suspicious about our friendship to everyone else.

One day I decided that I want to go out and ask him to be my designated driver. He doesn't usually drink but he's young and liked the idea of heading to a bar/club. He ended up getting a bit drunk, so we left his car and walked about 3 miles back to my campus. We passed a park and took a break just sitting on the swings. I was drunk and being a bit flirtatious. He just smiled his killer smile and brushed it off. When we finally made it back to my dorm room, I grabbed some more beers and brought him to this building with a secrete way up to the roof.

We sat up there and drank some more, then he straight up asked me if I like guys. I was so repressed and all over the place emotionally (thanks church) that I started to cry. He just held me and told me it's ok. Was the sweetest most tender moment in my life. I'm so thankful for that little moment.

We got back to my dorm room, which was a single since I was there for summer classes. He was going to crash on the other bed before I asked him if he wanted to watch a movie. Given the placement of my TV, he joined me on my bed. At first, there was no touching as we sat with our backs against the wall, still drinking another beer. It was going on like 3 am so we were getting tired and laid down as we watched the movie. Eventually, I started to doze off so he shut the movie off with the remote then pulled a blanket up over the both of us.

I started pushing my ass back his way before turning over to face him. He had this shocked focused look on his face. I know his conscience was telling him, no, but he let me feel his hardening cock. We started jerking each other off. I nearly laughed because he looked at my cock as if it were a fascinating new toy, lol. Eventually, he let me blow him. It was a huge load and I swallowed which made me embarrassed. I guess I was sort of in love with him at this point so I wasn't going to pass up taking his load.

We were awakened by the sound of my suit mate go into our conjoined Jack and Jill bathroom. This made my friend leap out of the bed and rush for his clothes. It was hilarious. He thought my suitemate would come into my room, lol, but my side was stayed locked. We went to a later church service, then brunch before saying goodbye, never mentioning the previous night. He told me years later that my silence made him feel bad because he thought I had regrets. I told him, no I was in heaven, bt didn't want to freak him out.

He wouldn't hang out with me for the rest of the summer. He was just passively nice during Bible Study. 3 months later he reached out to me to reconnect. He's married now, but before that time we hooked up at least 7 or 8 more times (yes I counted). Only oral, no fucking. I know when he reaches out to me that he's feeling the urge. We've hung out since his marriage, but I warned him before he walked down the aisle that I wouldn't get sexually involved with a married man. So we are friends, but on his terms, because I needed to emotionally move on. Two or three times a year I will get a text from him, asking to catch up. I'll engage because I don't get attached, but we keep the texts platonic. He's made it clear a few times via a phone call what he really wants, but I refuse to go that route while he stays with his wife. It's for the best and he still calls himself straight.

Very nice, r38. Thanks for sharing. I’ll live vicariously through you!

Keep going r41. It’s sweet music to my ears!

They like being rimmed, but still usually want to be on top.

In our junior year,my college roommate started to drink pretty heavily. He would come back to the room, not totally out of it, but pretty inebriated. Inevitably he would get into my bed and ask for a massage ( I know it sounds like a pron plot). I, of course, would oblige. He would have a raging hardon and would guide my hand to it and I would start to fondle. He'd then pull his briefs down and I would either suck him off or give him a handjob. After he came, he went to his bed and fell asleep. I'm sure he would have fucked me if I had asked. But, eventually, he got his girlfriend pregnant and moved away after college.

R46 Was he hot? What was the dick like?

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I gave blow jobs to many fraternity men at college. The challenge for me was to get the guy to go beyond opening his zipper and take off all of his clothes. A couple of times they got completely naked, with the exception of a backward ballcap.... it was totally hot to convince them to take the last piece of clothing off. I doubt they thought six hours earlier they would be completely naked with another guy.

I was in high school and my friend invited me on a camping trip with another guy we both knew. We were all in the 16-18 age range. I was in the middle of the tent and both guys on either side appeared to be sleeping. Eventually one of the guys latched onto me like a hard-cuddling spider monkey. I shook him off but he came back again, clinging tightly to me. Shook him off again pretty hard.. It might have happened a third time. He was a cute guy but the situation was too strange for me to act on, especially with the other guy there sleeping. I still wonder what he was after exactly. Maybe he just wanted to cuddle? Given how hard I shook him off, I don’t see how he could’ve been sleeping. Anyway, married with kids but have no idea if he’s straight. Similar thing happened in a hotel room in New Orleans in college. Several of us sharing a room. In a king bed with three people: woman on one end, me on the other and a very cute guy in the middle. All a bit drunk, stoned. In the night the cute guy was kind of rubbing on me/up against me. I was pretty shocked and just laid there. Did he think I was the girl somehow? What was he angling for? He’s also married with kids and I think he’s straight.

r49 MARY!

R48 - would they take their shoes and socks off?

I still remember my night at a fraternity house. I learned it always pays to stay late at the party.

R51, I would take their shoes and socks off, telling them I needed extra room between their legs. I played with their nipples and the shirts would come off. When I accomplished those two things, I knew I had a green light. There were no objections to removing their jeans and underwear.

There's nothing like a stark naked fraternity man to make your day, albeit the backward ballcaps usually stayed in place. I never received reciprocation, but I wasn't asking them for it. I figured that was a bridge too far.

moar

please

Craigslist was a goldmine. Such a shame it ended. Haven’t been able to get any since. Probably not healthy anyway.

If a guy does something with a guy, he’s not “straight”. He’s either gay or bi. There’s no such thing as “curious”.

R55 amen to that

I am a married "straight" guy on the down low. I am self aware enough to admit I am Bi but live a straight married with kids lifestyle. I have had plenty of sex with other married men, in fact I prefer them as sexual partners. I have a regular hunting/fishing buddy that I get with 2 or 3 times a year. We both enjoy each others company and the sex is great. I met him on Craigslist years ago and kept in touch and we eventually became friends. Our wives don't suspect a thing. It's relatively easy to find like minded married men. I usually meet them on business trips (the hotel bar) or the gym. It's not like I am out there actively sniffing around all the time but when the situation presents itself why not? Men are essentially sexual animals, women are emotional animals. I love my wife and we still have sex but with a guy it's a different kind of sex. All we really want to do is make our cocks feel good and get off. Judge me if you want, I could really give a shit what anyone else thinks.

R58, how do you go from talking to a married guy in a hotel bar or gym to sex? I assume your wives come up in conversation at some point. Doesn't that add a confusing layer to the dynamic?

R58 is a perfect explanation of why “straight” guys have had gay sex since the beginning of time. The development of gay identity politics didn’t change that - even if it allowed the Kinsey 6s to live more openly gay lives.

R56 hard disagree.

If you're talking about guys who will reciprocate, maybe. But my experience is that there are guys out there who are attracted to women, get off on the experience of being with a woman, but also compartmentalize sex to a degree where someone sucking them off and making them feel good can happen with anyone.

I mean, they don't differentiate much between a hot wet mouth and a Fleshlight, so.......

You can tell if guys interested or not. Most of the time they aren't but some are. If our wives become a topic of conversation usually they are interested. Been married for so long, this many kids.,etc… If the conversation turns to sex it's almost a done deal. It's an interesting dynamic with us married guys. If another guy is married he seems safer and more assessable. You have a common bond. To be honest I usually won't have sex with a man that identifies as gay. A bar is a one night thing, what the hell right! The gym is another story, you see the same guys there at the same time of day. You have to be much more discerning. It's a longer process, more like a mutual seduction.

Do you have a "type" r58/62? Are there sexual acts that you won't do with another guy? Is there foreplay/intimacy and kissing with these fellow married men or is it just purely physical sex?

I have never asked any of my buds how they identify sexually. First that is a question a woman would ask and puts out the fire. I don't care if my hunting buddy identifies as Bi. That is a personal question. I just want to suck and fuck and drink and have a good time.

Many of you are describing closet cases, guys in denial about their sexuality. I mean FFS, if a married guy is trolling CraigsList or Grindr for dick, he's not even remotely straight.

I had a number of experiences with straight friends when I was younger (high school, college and right after) all were close friends whom I had a bond with--I was closeted and an athlete.

It was the usual stuff of Penthouse Letters and Nifty Archives--we were drunk, horny, I had gotten good at steering the conversation in a sexual direction.

They were all hot in the moment--the guys were hot, the notion that I was having sex with this guy I'd jerked off about for the past year was very hot, It was always just oral, sometimes making out, sometimes not.

The thing was though it almost always killed or altered the friendship. When you're that close with another person and you add in sex, it's sort of like "okay, we're either going to be serious boyfriends now or we're going to be awkward but we can't go back to where we were. Two of the guys cut things off totally, they were so freaked out by what happened and one said he'd felt like the whole friendship had been a sham, that it was just me trying to seduce him.

So I gave up on actual straight guys which worked out too because while guys may experiment some in college, by the time they're out they generally know which team they're on and gain control over their hormones.

There were times since with other guys when I felt that something could easily have happened, wen the bro-ey hugging and sitting too close with your legs touching thing could have gone further, but it was never worth risking the friendship for

R62-- you're a closet case, not a married guy who likes to sometimes experiment.

You spend a whole lot of time figuring out how to seduce other men.

And you're on fucking Datalounge too boot.

to boot

R65 is right. The times I have allowed things to go there with guys who are drunk, high or just horny and curious and feel comfortable experimentIng with other guys with you, it changes the dynamic of the relationship, mostly because they feel ashamed/awkward/uncomfortable afterwards. That usually means they will distance themselves from you, and more often than not you lose the friendship you once had.

I had one really hot session with a straight guy. It started with us talking online (remember AIM?) and I basically told him how tight I was and how he could fuck me as hard as he wants and I woke complain. He said I was just talking shit and girls had told him the same thing but then couldn’t take it. I told him to meet up with me if he wasn’t a pussy. I think that got him fired up because two hours later he came over and slammed my hole. He had a long cock too. Didn’t last long, but it was a great ride. We talked and hooked up one other time but he was just straight, in college, just had gotten dumped, and drank a little too much.

I have a question: why is it okay for gay men to have experimented with women and nobody questions their homosexuality, but a guy experiments with a guy once or twice and he’s either closeted or bisexual?

The guys we are talking about have NOT "experimented once or twice" R69

They spend more time trolling for dick than most gay guys do.

And not to burst your bubble friend, but there were many times when I would go online and tell guys I was "straight but curious" or "bi--girlfriend out of town for the weekend" --even though I was an out gay guy--because it was like catnip to so many guys and I'd very quickly have my pick of hot guys.

These were guys I was never going to see again, so it was what it was. I'm sure they weren't giving me their real names either.

^^And I was not alone among my friends in doing this. Any guy who doesn't have obvious gay voice and owns a baseball cap he can turn backwards and a t-shirt with a sports team logo on it can play.

Like I said I identify as Bi, judge me as you will. I could give a fuck what you think. I'm a curious fellow and wonder what my life would have been like if I hadn't gotten married so young. I made my bed and it's MY bed not yours. If wasn't married with kids and a mortgage I could identify as gay. In a way I am glad to have the life I have. So many of you guys seem so bitter and unhappy. I accept myself the way I am. You obviously don't, your problem.

Most of my encounters are a one time thing. I don't want or need love from these guys. I just want to have some fun and be on my way. Yes I am a liar and a cheater and all the bitchy judgmental things you say I am. Are YOU a fucking perfect example of moral rectitude, I can guarantee you aren't. We al have our demons and have done things we hide from others. If you say no, you're a liar.

My regular buddy is a different story. I do have feelings for him and like to believe he has some for me. We could never speak those things out loud. That would drive a wedge between us. Some things are better left unsaid. The sex is great and yes we make out and suck each others cocks, eat others asshole and fuck. Sometimes he fucks me, sometimes I fuck him. Sometimes we just cuddle, I love waking up feeling his hard dick against my ass on the mornings we can get a weekend away. I know I should not allow myself these pleasures in life according to SOME of you guys.

R72 has STATED their BOUNDARIES!

Denial.

Not just a river in Egypt.

R65 That's too bad your mate never felt you were a true friend... If you were that must have really been a bummer. I've blown a "straight" mate, at his request, (but recall making a joke about it several years earlier when he hugged me goodbye one night) and we're still close to this day. He liked his arse played with as well, but sadly no fucking. (that was now sixteen years ago, and he really likes my new partner, we were both single at the time). He has had three different ladies since.

I had a heavily straight leaning, but bi identifying mate get it on with me several times.... too many to count accurately.... 20-30x? Though we snogged a mess, and always cuddled a bit after, we both knew it was just sex. He would usually spend the night at my place after too much drink or too much grass. He lived on the other side of town, and was always on his bike. He seemed to continually become "locked out" on so many occasions, I soon realised they were all casual excuses to spend the night!

I believe we would be closer friends if his ex lady-friend didn't "surprise" him with a child. They still lived together after they split up as a couple, and though not married, he's quite busy being a father to their child. They moved to a large home in a far away suburb, so there's that.

He runs into another straight mutual friend (straight all caps, no experiments ever for him) of ours, and always asks my best mate about me, where we've been...what's going on in the city... our mutual friend grew up in this suburb, so he's there visiting his family regularly. He knows we hooked up, and though shocked at first, never let on that he knows. My best mate thinks he's trapped, and has said as much he thought it would have been cool if we had ended up together instead. Though the sex was great, I never did feel "romantically" for him. I still feel bad for him, as he told her he never wanted to be a father. I didn't ask too many questions, other than are you sure???? She had a paternity test, so it doesn't really matter if it was a one time reunion, or a regular thing I suppose.

This is really my only messy situation I've been in, as I really wonder if he was still regularly getting on with his lady/flatmate whilst he was "sleeping over".... It makes me feel a bit regretful. I really don't think I would have let things turn sexual if I knew they were still on. I have a guest room, and would like to believe I would have put him in there. The timing of the pregnancy is too close to rule it out.

Cleopatra also fell out of her boat but wouldn't admit she was all wet.

Don't post here. Bump Troll.

The reality for a LOT of men is sex is...just sex. I have a similar relationship to R72 - but it’s gay. The person I make my life with and love emotionally and connect with psychologically is not necessarily the person I alway have sex with. Early gay rights activists were focused on that - not gay marriage or sexual monogamy. Some guys may be wired for emotionally entangled sex - but I’m not and a lot of men I know are not. If your primary life partner is male or female, I could give a shit. I totally believe straight-married guys can be happy and content living a family life - as long as they have outlets and a wife who they love.

K, you guys are boring me with the bi dudes. What we're looking for in this thread is plausible deniability. If you admit you have sex with dudes all the time, or the dude you had sex with had sex with dudes all the time, it ruins the fantasy.

When actually straight married guys have sex with someone besides their wife it is with another woman. Even if the guy is ugly or has limited options he could get an escort or find a woman in his league on tinder or plenty of fish. Women are hardly as frigid about sex as DL makes them out to be.

This fantasy about straight married guys just liking sex and aren't picky about whether it is a man or a woman is laughable. How many sex loving gay guys in a hypothetical scenario would think " Damn, no dudes are around, I guess I'll just hop the fence for some vag"? It's ridiculous; they'd most likely just jerk off or drive to another town or a million other things before having sex with a woman.

I either get hit on or get hit up for sex from straight guys often. I don't intend for it to happen, it just does. It's usually with guys I know, not random strangers. Here's what I think is going on.

1. Let them know you're gay. They can't have man sex with you unless they know you're available. I have a real masculine look that throws them off. Sometimes they get shocked to know I'm gay. Really? Once they know you're gay, it will sit in the back of their minds until they are comfortable and horny enough to act on it.

2. Have a masculine look. I tend to have a look that combines skater and cholo influences. Straight guys aren't into twinks or feminine gay male fashion. Get rid of the skinny jeans, plucked eyebrows, rainbow colored hair and feminine behavior. Straights don't like faggotry. It freaks them out and turns them off. Deal with it.

3. Develop an interest in sports, fast cars, camping, shooting guns, going to Hooters, etc. You need to be able to talk about masculine guy activities so they can talk to you about what they like to do on their down time. Straight guys are shocked that I can carry a conversation with them about guy stuff and go shooting with them. It gets them intrigued and want to hang out with me more. Yeah, I like Hooters. They have good hot wings and the girls are nice to look at, no tattoos or fucked up SJW hairstyles. Straight guys love when I suggest we go to Hooters.

4. You don't need to get them drunk or high. It helps, I guess, but most of my encounters were sober. If you want a repeat session and maintain a friendship with them, make sure they're sober so they don't have drunk/stoned regrets. Straight guys usually catch me off guard when we are hanging out together, sober. Out of nowhere, they will tell me things like, "Suck my dick!" or "I don't mind fucking a guy in the ass!" I'm like, okay, and we go from there. Sometimes they are more subtle than that and they'll give me a bro hug that lasts longer than it should. I'll try to pull back and he'll pull me back tighter. That's the signal he wants me to make my move.

5. They are usually married or in long-term relationships. Yes it's true, after the first year or two in a relationship, women put out less and less. Once they have their men trapped with a wedding ring, the blowjobs and spontaneous fucking dries up completely. She no longer has to compete for her man. If he don't like it, he can divorce her and hand over 50% of his shit. Guys don't want to deal with this and start to look outside of their relationships for sex. Instead of dealing with the hassle of courting another female psycho and spending a shit ton of money on her to get into her panties, its easier for them to get a blowjob from a bro.

These are just my thoughts about my personal experiences.

R81 the "straight" guys I've hooked up with also knew I was gay and I've noticed it puts that idea out there. Also, when I have let them know that I'm gay I also try no to over try making conversation. I leave it in their court. Sometimes it's completely made them ignore me after but most times they continue to engage and I make sure never to seem like I'm not interested in them. I've gotten the impression a few times that they've wanted me to be more interested than I actually am. Usually the more interested I am the more aloof I behave. I also like the outdoors and sports and can talk to them about almost of them so this keeps the interaction flowing until they are drunk enough to make a crass joke/comment to test the waters.

I was stuck working on a farm as a teen because my father was afraid I was turning into a queerboy. I let the farm kid there (who was a year older than I) that I was interested in trying some things out and I blew him and five of his friends over the summer, most of them every day or so.

Good times.

They all married. I told them at the time when they started getting a little put-downy (as they begged my time and company) if they ever treated me bad, got rough or embarrassed me about it I would let everyone in their family and town know, and that meant in the future. But even now when they see me it's like a homecoming.

Now that's more like it. Thanks, R81.

This thread is making me incredibly jealous of everyone not on either end of the Kinsey scale... y’all can have your cake and eat it too.

I have to admit the unexpected straight guy hookup is a big turn on and recalling one is usually a go to when jerking off. Most gay dudes are super jaded when it comes to sex and there isn’t any challenge in it. With straight there’s more intrigue and It’s often more intense when it ultimately happens. They also usually appreciate it more For most gay dudes it’s just another orgasm and they are more often than not on their phone looking for their next hookup already.

R86 I agree, I love married closeted guys ... I do a fair amount of biz travel and married guys have a lot of pent up lust ... I still think of one guy who said - emphatically - “that was a hot fuck ... incredible” lol. It was a nice ego boost

They are even more fun in bathhouses and sex clubs. Most gay dudes are ridiculously jaded and picky given the location, and always seem to be holding out for that lone porn star who might drop by and sweep them off their feet. Married and bi dudes are down to fuck and usually want to have a good time and get off, since they usually had to put a lot of effort into getting there.

R58 You "don't care what anyone thinks", but you choose to live "undercover", so you must care, right?

I care not to get caught by my wife. What is your problem? Jealous? And why the fuck do you care?

I love how many times you pop up to emphatically proclaim how much you don't care what anyone here thinks. Surrrrre...

R83, that's kind of hilarious when you think about it. Sort of like "No son of mine is going to grow up to be a cocksucker! The Navy will straighten him right out!"

You don't like what you hear, you attack. Says a lot about you. I am done with this thread. You bitches can devour each other now. Bye, bye...

OMGQ My straight male friends refer to each other as "you bitches" all the time too!

(JK. They don't)

R82, hot straight guys are a tough read. I'm sure they're used to being told how good looking they are by straight girls and gay guys all the time. I don't want to appear to be a thirsty, weird homo, so I try to treat them like everybody else. I don't want to scare them away.

This upsets them, because I've had a few hot straight guys come up to me and ask me if something's wrong. They are confused that I'm not acting like every other dizzy queen out there, fawning all over their beautiful straight asses. I just laugh it off and tell them that everything's okay.

I still haven't found that perfect balance with how to deal with hot straight guys. They're so damn needy.

r94 been there. “you’re not attracted to me, not even a little bit?”

I’ve had that experience with straight guys. You think you are putting their mind at ease by saying that you don’t see them that way, but they end up wondering why. It’s like they want you to want them so they can feed their ego and shoot you down and have the upper hand in the equation.

It’s strange to me because I’ve never cared if a female friend thought I was attractive, and actually preferred that they didn’t.

In that rather florid way R18 speaks the truthl I live three NYC buildings down from a fire department once a hook and ladder, now a squad. I walk by the doors often, in summer the doors are usually open, the guys hanging out.

The guys look to be no combination of the gay idea here of built, hung, jock, blue collar, naturally masculine men, instead they all look like rest of the rest of the world in the gay bar around the corner … some good looking, many most ordinary, every once in a while someone truly stunning, and often, the other end of the curve, a real troll from under a rock. However, several years ago that firehouse had an older gorgeous David Gandy-type beautiful man there and he'd do the bro nod of acknowledgement when I passed by. One day the Daily News had his photo at a fire, sitting on a curb, overcome by smoke. His name was Russell. Long ago enough he probably is dead now He survived 09-11 I know.

A 09/11 survivor picked up at a Riverhead NY rest stop was not the gay dream, was a "what you're a fireman?" type …. was 26 and FAT. Said he was the heaviest and biggest in his house. Wasn't too proud of that. Said there were no gay firemen in his house, no gay fireman NYC bars. I told him I "knew" two firemen once, met in the last years of the QE2 on a "party cruise." A dinning table of six: me, the two buddies were in the same house and on board looking for women, our very nice-looking three were two secretaries at NBC and one elementary school teacher near Hunter. Early table conversation easily showed the firemen not in the women's league. One guy was really cute, the other very not cute. Each had a GED, each was very civil-servant, just get the time in and retire. The not-cute one was worried he'd be transferred to a Greenwich Village house and worried of AIDS and having to give "the kiss of life" to a victim. The Riverhead guy told me a lot of firemen thought like that early on.

Craigslist is still active; I thought everyone knew. Go to the page you usually go to …. the top on-the-left column, "community" … click on "activities."

[quote]Craigslist is still active; I thought everyone knew. Go to the page you usually go to …. the top on-the-left column, "community" … click on "activities."

Interesting. In my area, hookups are under the "missed connections" category.

R61 Honey, if a woman was giving me head, I wouldn’t like it, due to the fact that I am not attracted to her. If I fuck a woman in the dark in the ass, I wouldn’t like it either. If it wouldn’t matter, then sexual orientations wouldn’t exist.

Yes I don’t get the whole “any port in a storm” sexual outlet thing. If I were in an all woman situation like hetero men in prison, I’d never be hooking up with the ladies. I think there are just more bi guys than we know and the ones who are go for it when there aren’t options.

This is a really complex subject because I happen to know of a number of guys who identify as straight who have hooked up with guys (getting oral) just to try it out, only to realize it wasn’t for them.

In fact, I’ve been with several guys like this. One I met on craigslist a few years back and he was so hot. He was 24 (I was 30), fit and had just broken up with his girlfriend, whose picture he showed me. First we chatted. Then we hugged, and made out, and he even let me blow him but he just couldn’t cum. I could tell he was uncomfortable during the act and finally he gave up. He told me I was good looking and he wanted to see me again but then never responded to my texts.

I have several other experiences with guys like this and I don’t know how to classify them because my first inclination is to label any guy who expresses and acts on sex with another man as not straight. I’d label them bi—whether in denial or not. BUT, guys who just try it out only to determine its not for them clearly aren’t bi, because if they were, they’d enjoy the experience.

or maybe r102 isn’t very good.

Oh dear, such scandalous thinking, you are pushing out R81. Which finishing school did you learn this from?.

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Replied to this guy on Whisper about needing help with something. I asked what he needed and replied that he wanted a blowjob. I told him I was a guy, and he said he never been with a guy before (straight, divorced, 30). Before DL tears me to shreds, he did seem straight to me, so y’all are just going to have to take my word for it.

Anyway, he met me outside of my apartment, I got in his car (dick already out), and blew him for 20 minutes. To be honest, not sure I’d do this again. He was at about 7in and very thick. I kept gagging and eventually my jaw got sore. I think I’ll pass this guy on to more experienced gays. Any takers, DL?

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Well, I am glad your mother raised you right, OP. A man will not buy the cow if milk is free.

Here's the thing DLers:

Sometimes, almost always in high school, college, or shortly thereafter, you might have an experience with a friend who otherwise identifies as straight. It will be someone you know, alcohol and/or drugs are likely to be involved and there will likely be much awkwardness afterwords. Chances are very high that this is the only same sex experience your friend will have and it can be chalked up to experimentation.

BUT... if you are meeting guys on chatrooms, apps or CraigsList.... THEY ARE CLOSET CASES OR BISEXUALS. No matter how many wedding rings they have on or how many kids they've fathered.

Think of the degree of premeditation required in those situations--they've gone out of their way to find a man to have sex with. And not just "a man" but a complete stranger.

I know this destroys many DL illusions

There are tons of mostly straight dudes are situationally, infrequently mess around with dudes.

No, you just want to believe that R112

A straight guy does not download Grindr or show up on Craigslist M4M boards accidentally or because they're bored.

They've decided they want to have sex with another man and have purposely taken concrete steps to make that happen.

Read up r113

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MS dudes

A discredited study meant to raise the hopes of DLers R114

It's been discussed ad nauseum on DL

MS men

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This thread is so HOT, and R58 might be my hero.

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My experiences:

Hotel bar hookups are a thing, but mine have been simultaneous Jos in separate beds. Hot. I make it clear I have a BF, so they know I’m probably up for trouble.

Back in the Craigslist days, I’d float mutual, porn-fueled jo sessions at my place. Half the time, they led to more.

My biggest regret was a mutual jo session arrangement. I made the mistake of unzipping his pants. He came before I could get them off, and he ran off. Hot guy, dammit.

I've only topped heteros. I haven't met any that want me to bottom.

Perhaps it’s where you meet your heterosexuals? All the mostly straight dudes I know who mess would dudes are strictly top or only receive oral

Another sad total bottoms thread. Delusional as fuck.

R126 = bitter bottom who has never tasted straight dick and jealous of those who have

R124 vile and vicious lie.

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I like laid back easy going chill guys who are frisky and fun, that's why I don't do labels, guys are up for anything anytime one on one, you never know how it will play out in the moment, if the feeling is mutual, jump on it, just respect boundaries, have a good time, an erotic memory, it's all good... :-)

I had sex with Edgar Ramirez and I'm straight.

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I had a sex year fuck buddy thing with a straight guy. I was 26 and he was 42. Wouldn’t kiss. I would never put up with that today but I was young and he was a hot daddy. He loved getting fucked and had no interest in fucking me. He also gave great head. A few years after we cooled it he married a very masculine looking flat chested woman. He’s in his 70s now. I always wonder if he ever thinks about me because I do think about him.

Dunnow wot to annsah. Coz evray stryt blowke oi've evah met wants to fook mey. An' oi yowjullay lettem.

R137 IT DOESN’T COUNT IF HE BOTTOMED, IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!

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6'5" blond guy from the gym - great body and classic superhero square jaw.

We used to chat at the gym which led to my being invited to poker games with his group of friends - all ostensibly straight. I never got the gay or bi vibe from him and I have a both a naturally suspicious mind and a reasonably well-tuned gaydar.

We hung out a couple times - grabbed dinner after the gym. We even went to a couple movies together.

He was such a cool guy, and it was fun having a friend like him among my acquaintances. I never made a move because I didn't want to be "that guy." However, there were two incidents which had me wondering. One time at a movie, I went to the restroom before it started. When I got back to the seat, he had his arm slung across the back of mine. I made a "dude, move your arm" comment. He almost seemed embarrassed. Another time, he wanted to "hug it out" when we parted company for the night after grabbing dinner. To this day, I wish I had hugged just a bit too long and pressed just a bit too closely - just enough to see where it went, but also maintain plausible deniability if called out. We lost contact after he switched gyms.

The worst part is that he was such a cool guy that even if I had made a move and he turned me down, he would probably have been cool about it. I just didn't want to give any credence to the notion that straight guys actually needed to be concerned about gay friends wanting in their pants.

Stop using sex as a weapon

I’ve had some of my greatest relationships with so called straight guys.

Me too

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Great thread. What are the best tips & tricks?

•Don’t mention sexuality labels

•Move slow.

•Only go to perform oral sex, nothing else unless they push for it.

What else?

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R3 the old bottoms here are delusional. They think they can have any “straight” guy they want. They also hate women because they are jealous and wish they were women. They son’t want to fuck other gay men because it ruins their delusions.

R154, I think this much more common among young men

A thread for bi scums! Yikes!

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