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The 2020 Bauer Barbecue

The annual Bauer Barbecue! Always lots of fun whether you're soaking in the hot tub, rendezvousing with your secret lover, breaking up with your current lover or parachuting into town after being SORASed.

I look forward to it every year. It's coming up this week and you know it will be fabulous.

What are you planning to bring to this year's festivities? And no, Emma, we don't need a Hubbard squash. But Ada, your dish towel is always welcomed.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 1508 hours ago

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 1Last Monday at 2:30 PM

2020 Bauer Barbecue @ The Locher Room, 6/27/20

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 2Last Monday at 2:33 PM

That was way too fast to be muriel’d. Ugh.

My own family started an annual 4th of July bbq because of the Bauer bbq.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 3Last Monday at 2:41 PM

We're going so fast these days, it's no surprise we get Mur'd so quickly.

Thanks for the great thread title, OP!

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 4Last Monday at 2:58 PM

r3 r4 WHET Rachel Cory made it to 241 before Murielization took place.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 5Last Monday at 3:01 PM

R5 Yes, which might be close to a new record for our Marvelous Midwestern Towns!

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 6Last Monday at 3:06 PM

Parachuting into the barbeque, as one does.

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 7Last Monday at 3:07 PM

Lacey Bauer had such potential...NOT. The girl was a professional gymnast, wasn’t she? I vaguely remember Lacey was hoping to go to the Olympics.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 8Last Monday at 3:20 PM

I get to snack on Carl T Evans hotdog.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 9Last Monday at 3:31 PM

[quote] I vaguely remember Lacey was hoping to go to the Olympics.

If so, they should have made her a figure skater, CBS still broadcasted the Winter Olympics at that time. I doubt CBS wanted to air anything that could be seen as promoting the Summer Olympics on NBC.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 10Last Monday at 3:34 PM

I once attended the Bauer Barbecue.

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 11Last Monday at 4:00 PM

I can’t see 11. Hmmmmm

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 12Last Monday at 6:02 PM

Charita Bauer was top billed on Guiding Light

Guiding Light

Starring

Charita Bauer

As

Bert Bauer

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 13Last Monday at 6:05 PM

R12 It means it's someone you blocked.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 14Last Monday at 7:44 PM

[quote]It means it's someone you blocked

In this case, with good reason.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 15Last Monday at 7:50 PM

R14 I said that on purpose. I know who I blocked here. Lol

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 16Last Monday at 8:26 PM

Funny, I have that one blocked as well.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 17Last Monday at 8:28 PM

what does Muriel mean? You have to pay? I know times are tough but it's $1.50 a month. Do-able?

Lacey was cast, I believe, before Pam came back and she jettisoned her in favor of Harley, yes, the actress was of limited range, but at the end of the day Harley was a pissed off Reva wanna-bee, ball-busting men left and right.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 18Last Monday at 8:31 PM

Harley wore thin after awhile. You could see Beth Ehlers making acting decisions to make her relatable. It’s hard to explain.

To pay at yet another site is yet another site where my information is out there. I just feel like I’m nickel and dime to death and too many sites have my information. I dunno maybe that’s stupid but it is what it is.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 19Last Monday at 8:37 PM

Did anyone see the Locher Room with Maura and Michael Park?

He tells this story about how Jon Hensley told him that the writers were going to reveal that Jack was gay (because Park wasn't connecting enough with any of his leading ladies).

Park tells the story and West says...nothing. Finally, she chimes in...and if they had made Jack gay that would've been okay....that wouldn't have mattered.

LOVE HER.

got to 7:30

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 20Last Monday at 8:40 PM

Today would have been 68 years on TV for GL.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 21Last Tuesday at 7:01 AM

R12 11 is Scoche Marin

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 22Last Tuesday at 7:25 AM

Let's not even say that name here, please.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 23Last Tuesday at 7:36 AM

The primetime special to mark the 40th year on TV - which played 5 years after the 50th anniversary (confusing).

Featuring the Goddess herself, La Bev.

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 24Last Tuesday at 7:39 AM

Any of you remember the GL TV movie with Lauren Hutton. I don't remember any details but I know I watched it and was disappointed.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 25Last Tuesday at 7:43 AM

Something about the Cradle Rocked. There were about four GL characters in it but none significantly. Ross had the biggest role and at least Bert and I think Hope appeared.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 26Last Tuesday at 7:45 AM

Yes, Lauren Hutton was Hope's best friend. I think Leslie Ann was there too, maybe for a few seconds.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 27Last Tuesday at 7:54 AM

R18 I would pay if there were more premium features to make it worth it. From what paying members have said, the board is still barely functional even after you pay. Plus, I just feel wrong funding Muriel’s drinking habit.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 28Last Tuesday at 7:59 AM

The Cradle Will Fall is the movie.

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 29Last Tuesday at 8:01 AM

I saw Hope, Ross and Ed. Supposedly Charita was also in this but it must have been for a second and I missed it.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 30Last Tuesday at 8:22 AM

Didn’t Warren Andrews first appear in The Cradle Will Fall, then he was brought onto the show ?

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 31Last Tuesday at 8:29 AM

[quote] Charita was also in this but it must have been for a second and I missed it.

Charita appears at the one hour nine minute mark

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 32Last Tuesday at 8:31 AM

Bless your heart, R32, I knew someone would find out for us!

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 33Last Tuesday at 9:46 AM

I loved the year GL won best show Emmy in the 80s and during the closing credits they were all "Yeah, bitches, we won!"

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 34Last Tuesday at 1:19 PM

I wish American networks would do like the BBC, they have some shows like Father Brown, Land Girls, The Coroner, etc. that are daytime programs that only run for a week or two at a time. The networks here could do that with their cancelled soaps, instead of fully bringing them back they could do one or two week a year versions based on the originals, that would just focus on select characters. With some of the older ones like Search For Tomorrow, they could make them a period piece going back to the original source material.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 35Last Tuesday at 3:37 PM

Or have them several times a year. They should have tried GL and ATWT at 30 mins first.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 36Last Tuesday at 3:43 PM

Channel grazing tonight and happened upon a scene in a Law & Order rerun on WE with Mary Kay Adams and Jean LeClerc playing parents of a young boy who, I think, had posed for some “gay” photographs. LeClerc’s character gasped out “Gay?” and put his head in his hands and I nearly choked on my fish sticks. Adams’ character reassured her husband that their son wasn’t gay.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 37Last Tuesday at 4:45 PM

Someone said this in the previous thread:

[quote]Rick Bauer, son of Leslie and Ed, should NEVER have been comic relief and secondary to Phillip Spaulding. Making him a Fred Mertz was too stupid to believe.

I was always disappointed Rick played second fiddle to Phillip throughout the show. Rick being subordinate to Phillip to the point that Phillip slept with all of Rick's women in the 1980s was really distasteful. At least they moved away from that in the 90s.

I suspect a large part of that was casting. Michael O'Leary as we're hearing over and over was the jokester and prankster on set. That likely influenced how they wrote for him.. Meanwhile, Grant was very serious and didn't seem to crack a smile often. That influenced how they wrote for Phillip.

Plus Grant was a stronger actor.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 38Last Tuesday at 5:40 PM

The much beloved Gregorzik from the early days of these DL soap threads would have agreed with you r38. He believed the Bauer should have been the stud and I tend to agree.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 39Last Tuesday at 5:46 PM

Well, the first teen Rick (Philip McGregor, brought on the same time as Aleksander) was very pretty but a very weak actor. He was let go from Loving in a contract role the year after, I think. McGregor and Aleksander apparently stayed friends for many years. I like to think it was because McGregor gave expert blowjobs which helped Aleksander relieve pressure at times.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 40Last Tuesday at 8:14 PM

Otalia were supposed to come out together as a couple at the 2009 BBQ.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 41Last Tuesday at 8:38 PM

I would have helped GA relieve any pressure at any time.

Man, it would be amazing to gulp that down.......

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 42Last Tuesday at 8:49 PM

Go to 1:25:04 The 9th Annual Daytime Emmys (1982); it was a 90 minute show on CBS.

Charita Bauer and Don McLaughlin (!!!) present the Emmy for best soap.

GL wins and the new disco theme blasts throughout the room.

Think about it; this was for the year 1981 -- Luke and Laura's wedding, the Ice Princess...Cassadines... yet they were no match for Nola Reardon and Carrie Todd; the Spauldings, and the Bauers...Henry and Vanessa.

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 43Last Tuesday at 9:45 PM

R43 Fantastic!

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 44Last Tuesday at 9:51 PM

R43 wow, nice find!

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 45Last Tuesday at 9:59 PM

Go to the writing clip about 12-15 minutes before; once again Chris Bernau presents, this time with Elvera Roussel, the writing award;

they show some clips (Sky and Raven!) and a great GL clip with Tony and Katie and the camera dissolves from the clip of Katie to the ballroom live on her portrayer Denise Pence....they don't do beautiful stuff like this anymore.

To go from that to a Zoom ceremony or even the online stuff they did the last few years; Just awful.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 46Last Tuesday at 10:14 PM

Thanks r46 but nah, I'm not hopping around to your tune like some slave.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 47Last Tuesday at 10:27 PM

R39

I really miss Gregorzik on these threads. I also miss the guy whose family worked for P&G. His name was something that started with the letter "E". Ehrenstein or something like that. He had loads of info.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 48Yesterday at 2:25 AM

Yeah, Gregorzik was great. But he took a lot of abuse so I don't blame him for being on the down low.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 49Yesterday at 4:56 AM

Thank you for the 1981 Emmy link! Funny how Chris Bernau calls the show "THE Guiding Light". It's great seeing Doug Marland accept the writing award. I can't believe how long the clips are before the writing award is announced. Lisa Brown was VERY excited to see her show win! LOL.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 50Yesterday at 6:08 AM

Yes, that Emmy video is great! Thanks for sharing it.

A young Patrick Mulcahey standing behind Marland during the acceptance speech was quite a looker.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 51Yesterday at 6:31 AM

R51 OMG THAT was Mulcahey? Wow, I didn't put that together, Liz!

That whole thing is a find! I've never seen so much of Marland speaking at one time!

They must have had tables where shows would "mingle" together because there are several Y&R performers at the GL table where Charita is sitting - I think Jamie Lyn Bauer is there and if I am not mistaken, Terry Lester, too.

And this is 1982. Was it before or after Douglas flounced because Allen Potter cancelled the Carrie Todd story?

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 52Yesterday at 6:38 AM

At 32 minutes in you can see Richard Simmons win an Emmy.. lol

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 53Yesterday at 6:53 AM

Jane Elliot's final air date was July 2, 1982. Emmy show aired on June 8, 1982.

Marland left the show in August 1982 with his final scripts airing in mid Sept. So, not sure whether he'd turned in his notice by the time of the Emmys. He certainly didn't seem like a man who was about to leave his HW position as he accepted that award.

As I recall, Carrie Todd's departure was abrupt. Just one episode, maybe two, for goodbyes. Perhaps Jane Elliot was fired right after the Emmy show and Marland hastily wrote her final episodes. Back in those days, typical tape date for all NYC soaps was 2 weeks before air date.

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 54Yesterday at 6:54 AM

FYI If anyone wants to discuss Brian Bloom, there's a new thread about him linked below.

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 55Yesterday at 6:59 AM

R54 That sounds about right. Lots of joy at the Emmys and then the Carrie Todd decision probably happened soon after they went back to work.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 56Yesterday at 7:05 AM

Speaking of GL writers

Today at 3 pm Eastern is the Locher Room with various GL writers

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 57Yesterday at 7:06 AM

[quote] Today at 3 pm Eastern is the Locher Room with various GL writers

Will he ask them watch they've been watching during the quarantine?

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 58Yesterday at 7:28 AM

Doug was praising Aggie Nixon in this speech; why do that unless he was planning on going to ABC to team up with her for LOVING?

Imagine those GH folks sitting there, coming off the best year ever and losing to GL, and the writer whom Gloria let walk out the door.

She supposedly wanted Doug in LA; he wasn't moving. She also wanted conflict for newlyweds Scott and Laura, but Doug wanted them to be happy for a bit.

I heard someone asked Kin what made Scotty turn so evil...He took a beat and said...'Well, this guy RAPED his wife...and suddenly, Scotty was the bad guy..." Ouch.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 59Yesterday at 8:18 AM

I forgot they worked together after this, R59. I was originally thinking Doug's shout out to Aggie was a bit of shade.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 60Yesterday at 8:20 AM

R58, he’ll no doubt ask them if they’ve been watching Ozark. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Tom Pelphrey is great in the latest season, we got it, already.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 61Yesterday at 8:25 AM

DO YOU REMEMBER YOUR FIRST DAY?????????????????

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 62Yesterday at 8:26 AM

I don't remember seeing much of Anna Stuart's time as Vanessa on GL but indeed here it is!

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 63Yesterday at 10:42 AM

[quote]I don't remember seeing much of Anna Stuart's time as Vanessa on GL but indeed here it is!

With Jennifer Leak, who famously cuckolded John Randolph as Olive on AW.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 64Yesterday at 10:47 AM

Now I'm hearing that creepy music when Evan Webster died.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 65Yesterday at 10:49 AM

And I'm seeing the black screen over which the credits ran while Olive wailed after discovering Evan's dead body.

(I wish I could hear that piece of music again.)

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 66Yesterday at 10:51 AM

Another find!

Alan telling Reva "You will NEVER be a Lewis!"

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 67Yesterday at 10:55 AM

R67 great find. What a cast back then!

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 68Yesterday at 11:00 AM

I found it r66. It's the whole episode, audio only,

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 69Yesterday at 11:05 AM

Thank you, R69! I FFed to the end to hear the music -- almost Dark Shadows=esque.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 70Yesterday at 11:06 AM

Yes! Very Dark Shadows-esque.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 71Yesterday at 11:09 AM

R51

Mulcahey is still an incredibly hot man.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 72Yesterday at 12:31 PM

Alan's relationship was Reva was far from over.

They reconnected in 1987 when Reva, having lost Josh, was living it up at the country club, flirting with married day player men, pissing off their wives. Regis asks Reva to leave as her membership was long revoked and the Lewises were over her.

Alan steps in: "Regis. Miss Shayne is my guest. See to it she gets everything she wants."

And it was on.

Alan takes Reva home, she tells him about eating garbage out of a can. She says it's over between her and Joshua.

"And how many times has it been 'over' between you and Josh Lewis -- it's time for a new regime." (only he says it 'RAY-geem.')

Then it was on...and climaxed at the Spaulding Centennial; Phillip takes control #goldenage

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 73Yesterday at 12:51 PM

R73 I have been looking for that episode (or series of them) on YouTube for eons and eons.

I know it's near September 1987 but GL on YT skips from August to December in 1987,

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 74Yesterday at 1:12 PM

I’m still looking for the GL episode which introduced Roxie. I think it was in September or October 1984.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 75Yesterday at 1:17 PM

According to this, Roxie debuted in Sept 1984, but does not have the exact date. Usually SoapCentral has the exact dates for most of the other GL characters.

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 76Yesterday at 1:24 PM

Weird to hear Marland thank Brian Frons in that acceptance speech.

I'd forgotten that Frons' path of destruction went through all three networks, starting at CBS.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 77Yesterday at 1:26 PM

Olive Gordon Randolph was such a great villainess on AW. Jennifer Leak did such a good job with that role. And she was a major force on AW for three years, 1976-1979.

There's virtually nothing of Olive on YouTube. . Such a shame! If there were, I guarantee you we P&G queens on DL would be talking about her frequently.

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 78Yesterday at 1:37 PM

300 disposable, three-ply, nonsurgical face masks.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 79Yesterday at 1:42 PM

Something that always puzzled me as a kid. If Alan Spaulding (as played by Chris Bernau) is such a rich man, why doesn't he wear a better toupee?

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 80Yesterday at 1:42 PM

r79 Wrong thread?

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 81Yesterday at 1:43 PM

I'd love to stop by, but I'll be at the Annual Horton ⏳ Brady Fourth of July Blowout.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 82Yesterday at 1:44 PM

Does anyone know the AW date where Cass told Vicky about Marley's rape? She went into the court bathroom & tore it apart.

So many folks are uploading AW episodes but I have no idea what the date might be in order to narrow it down.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 83Yesterday at 1:47 PM

No, r81.

Look for the red pick with the flag on the roof.

I'll be selling masks and fireworks from the back of my truck.

Then I'm heading out to Genoa City for some real fun.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 84Yesterday at 1:48 PM

Oops .....red pick-up !

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 85Yesterday at 1:49 PM

the youtuber that uploaded the daytime emmys from 1981, 1985, 1986 & 1990 just got this account terminated for copyright infringement

good thing I downloaded them before he got yanked

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 86Yesterday at 1:59 PM

R78, I’ll always remember that Olive (via Lemay) was fond of using the word “undermine.” And after she was gone Rachel used it, mostly to describe Iris.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 87Yesterday at 2:01 PM

[quote] She supposedly wanted Doug in LA; he wasn't moving. She also wanted conflict for newlyweds Scott and Laura, but Doug wanted them to be happy for a bit.

Actually it was more than that - Marland said while there were major conflicts between himself and Gloria, that wasn't the straw that broke the camels back

It was the fact all the credit went to Gloria Monty for GH going to number 1 - and the fact Gloria would never acknowledge Marland part in the rating going up. You can have the most slick production values for the soap. But it goes nowhere if you don't have a story.

He wanted credit where credit was due. And he wasn't getting it with Monty taking all the credit, so that is the main reason he left.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 88a day ago

R86 It's why we should be careful about posting stuff here...

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 89a day ago

R88 Why did she get all the credit anyway? On our beloved and righteous P&G soaps, Writer was credited first before Executive Producer until the mid-90s. Was that not the case on the heathen, barbarian ABC soaps?

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 90a day ago

I remember it mentioned several times that when one went to Marland's Connecticut estate and used the guest bathroom, one was greeted with a photo of Monty.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 91a day ago

The writers' version of the Locher Room was on today.

Interesting, though not truly groundshaking.

Thing I learned today by watching: Millee Taggart's name is not pronounced "Millie" but almost like M'Lynn from Steel Magnolias: M'Lee.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 92a day ago

[quote] Why did she get all the credit anyway?

It is an LA vs NY thing, where Gloria went where no soap had gone before. Making the producer one of the stars of the show. She gave countless interviews in an effort to promote the show. General Hospital & Gloria Monty became one and the same.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 93a day ago

R93 I think it also had to do with the fact that Marland was already at GH and it was still close to getting cancelled. Monty was brought in as a last ditch effort to save it, and it was. It seems obvious that it was a combination of the talents of the two of them, but they both had large egos. And, Monty was better at playing the game.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 94a day ago

Not that I want this to turn into a GH thread, but I thought Monty hired Marland?

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 95a day ago

Denise Pence came off pretty badly in that GL reunion. Like, bitch, a new producer and headwriter came on board and decided you weren’t a good fit for their show, get over it. And then she harped on and on that they sent her character away with...a DAY PLAYER! So she thought another contract player should have been written off solely to escort Katie out of Springfield? Give me a fucking break.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 96a day ago

Damn, Mulcahey was a fine piece of ass in 1981.

not bad today for an old grizzled leather top but seeing him all big and blond.....well, as Madeline Kahn would say, WOOF.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 97a day ago

R91, in a podcast Pam Long mentioned Gloria Monty’s photo being in Marland’s john.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 98a day ago

I think it's been mentioned in one of these Locher room sessions, too. Maybe one of trhe ATWT ones, I think.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 99a day ago

R95 No. Marland started in 1977, right after leaving The Doctors. Gloria Monty didn't start until Jan. 2, 1978.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 100a day ago

[quote] Marland started in 1977, right after leaving The Doctors. Gloria Monty didn't start until Jan. 2, 1978.

He first day on the job she threw out the previous 5 shows that were just filmed and demanded a rewrite and reshoot PRONTO

That must of really endeared Monty to Marland.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 101a day ago

Even the Wiki article says that Monty hired Marland.

He was, in any case, only at GH for two to three months before Gloria arrived.

[quote] That must of really endeared Monty to Marland.

That must HAVE really endeared Monty to Marland, you mean.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 102a day ago

[quote] That must HAVE really endeared Monty to Marland, you mean.

yes thank you

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 103a day ago

My mother switched back to Guiding Light around the time of the ice princess story. She said General Hospital got so ridiculous and stupid she couldn’t watch it anymore. She’s always been a lifelong Guiding Light viewer but checked out General Hospital for the hype but quickly regretted it after a year.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 104a day ago

r83, it's December 26 of that year (1989 or 1990--I am blanking) but it's never been uploaded anywhere, though the episodes bordering it have. I have been dying to see it--Anne Heche is incredible registering Marley's rape as Vicky (pretending to be Marley) and then trashing the bathroom once she could get away from Cass.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 105a day ago

R102 I saw that on Wikipedia, as well. But the dates just don't add up. She couldn't have hired him since he went straight from The Doctors to GH in 1977, and she didn't start until Jan. 1978. I think the idea that she hired him was part of her PR. If she had hired him, she wouldn't have been able to throw out the episodes he had written and demand they be rewritten. In fact, both of them were hired by ABC executives to try to save the show. They managed to save the show, together.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 106a day ago

To bad they saved it. They became so smug after they shot to #1. All ABC shows were. But GL was right there in the thick of things. Then Y&R dethroned them in 85 for good.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 107a day ago

[quote] Something that always puzzled me as a kid. If Alan Spaulding (as played by Chris Bernau) is such a rich man, why doesn't he wear a better toupee?

I don't think it's so bad. Not at all. I have seen much worse.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 108a day ago

I think Spaulding-Bernau's toupee looks pretty standard for the era (e.g. Howard Cossell, Sam Donaldson, Frank Sinatra, etc.), and probably points to the reason why the term "rug" came about.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 109a day ago

[quote] And then she harped on and on that they sent her character away with...a DAY PLAYER! So she thought another contract player should have been written off solely to escort Katie out of Springfield? Give me a fucking break.

I didn't understand her to be saying that at all. I was watching at the time and Louie was always pestering her to date him and he totally seemed beneath and unworthy of her, especially since Katie had been a much loved character so long. It was very lazy and sloppy writing. Sending Katie away to a better job or teaching position or something would have been much more dignified and appropriate.

Writers should respect the characters. If they don't want to write them, get rid of them in a way that respects the audience's investment in them.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 11021 hours ago

R110, it’s exactly what she said-“I was written out with a DAY PLAYER!” Katie apparently got married to a basketball player (obviously not Louie).

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 11120 hours ago

In all my years of discussing GL or reading message boards/soap sites that did, in all of the many pre-1985 GL characters where fans cried out for their return, I can't remember more than a few random mentions of Katie Parker.

I've seen interviews with Denise elsewhere where you'd have thought Katie Parker was the Victoria Lord Buchanan of Springfield.

I do think perhaps her opinion/perspective and the reality of her time at GL are, shall we say, a few miles apart.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 11219 hours ago

Miss Pence Speaks, Part 1

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 11319 hours ago

Miss Pence Speaks, Part 2

Includes the "Katie married a day player!" complaint

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 11419 hours ago

I was trying to watch that Locher Room earlier today w/Pence, Jerry ver Dorn and Michael Tylo.....

I wondered if Tylo has Parkinson's disease because his hand was shaking in some unusual ways.....I mean, it's not an unusual think for someone over 60 to have, though it usually hits later.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 11519 hours ago

His son, who died, had a seizure disorder. It could be something he has as well.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 11619 hours ago

R115 I was pretty sure he was jerking off with one hand and holding the phone with the other.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 11719 hours ago

SOAP THREAD!

Webmistress, please spray the soap trolls with Raid! before they spread!

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 11819 hours ago

Do fuck all the way off, R118.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 11919 hours ago

Doug should have stayed at GH and hired himself a personal publicist. Back then, there was Daytime TV and Soap Opera Digest.

You hire a publicist, who calls the magazine editors and say, 'Doug wants exposure; let's get him a four page QA; you can have some story teasers, previewing the fall -- the rest is about him. Plus, he'll do an at home spread at his house and you can show him having tea with a few actors."

But I'm glad he went to GL and I'm glad he went to ATWT. I'd love to see a magazine spread or even a book on the Marland Girls: Bobbie Spencer, Nola Reardon, Lorna Forbes, Ava Rescott, Iva Snyder, Meg Snyder....there were many others.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 12018 hours ago

R112, did you see the 1982 Daytime Emmy writing clip? Doug played her up big. Andy Norris' betrayal, how she withdrew and how Tony helped her come out.

Most writers didn't know what to do with her; she was a nurse so that helped keep her around.

The woman is ballsy. I like her.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 12118 hours ago

[quote]I was pretty sure he was jerking off with one hand and holding the phone with the other.

I also thought Michael Tylo was perhaps jerking off while holding the phone.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 12218 hours ago

Ironic that Doug Marland went to such lengths to thank Agnes Nixon in his acceptance speech.

A year later, he would be HWing the brand new Loving. And we all know what a dud that was. The soap never took off and the partnership between Agnes and Doug didn't work well either.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 12318 hours ago

R120 I'm always surprised that he and Agnes Nixon co-created Loving. He wrote it for the first two years then she took over for two, and then they both just kind of forgot about it, until she came back for a year in the 1990s.

I do love the fact that Jane Elliot, the actress Marland seemed to really love, above all his leading ladies, served as Loving's final co-producer.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 12418 hours ago

Makes you wonder how GL would have fared had Marland stayed with it. Would it eventually have gotten to #1? It briefly did with the 4 Musketeers and did well with the younger demo.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 12518 hours ago

R123 One problem with Loving was it didn't feel like a Marland show nor a Nixon show. It didn't even seem like a mashup of the two. I can go back and watch Marland's time writing for The Doctors, GH, GL, ATWT, and they have a certain feel to them. AMC and OLTL always had that special Nixon touch, regardless of whom was writing them at the time. But, I don't get any of that from the episodes of Loving I've seen. It just seems generic. It is even worse that it basically caused the end of Ryan's Hope, which was unique.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 12618 hours ago

Well said r126. You summed it up nicely.

Loving didn't feel like Doug Marland. Not in the least.

The basic premise and initial characters all felt very Agnes Nixon to me. But once the show got going, the feeling quickly faded. It just felt like a mess.

As you said, Loving's debut spelled the beginning of the end for Ryan's Hope, especially when Loving moved to the 12:30 p.m. time slot, bumping Ryan's Hope to 12 noon, a time slot in which many stations didn't air it since they had local news instead.

And by the way, what kind of name is "Loving" for a soap opera?

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 12718 hours ago

Except for giving us Lorna, Ava, and classy grandparents Cabot and Isabelle and crazy bitchy Gwyneth, LOVING should have never been born.

It hurt Ryan's Hope.

Doug was better off at GL or ATWT.

Silly name for a soap.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 12817 hours ago

How did Nixon/Marland come up with such a dud? Too many cooks?

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 12917 hours ago

Working title "Love Without End," was probably deemed too old-fashioned and kinda clunky.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 13017 hours ago

That Andy Norris Katie storyline was fantastic! When I was watching that Emmy clip of her and Tony I couldn't remember why she was being portrayed as someone who had no confidence in herself, but then the poster upthread reminded me Tony brought her back to life after the shattering Andy experience. Great stuff!

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 13112 hours ago

Yeah, my argument was not that Katie was NOT sent off with a day player. It was that sending her off that WAY was disrespectful to the character and audience. Which I think was her argument too.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 13211 hours ago

Well, R132, she needs to get over herself and you need to get over yourself. How was her exit disrespectful? Katie could have gone to the john to douche and was never seen again. Or she could have been found gagged and mutilated in the back of a pick-up truck. Come ON,

And...uhhh...yeah, you WERE challenging me on her “day player” comment. Because it was confirmed by another poster you’re backtracking.

R127, Loving’s original title was Love Without End.

I definitely got the feeling that Tylo had some sort of condition. His speech was extremely slow along with the jerky hand movements.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 13310 hours ago

OK, you seem really invested in this, so I'm just going to say I'm sorry I upset you so much.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 13410 hours ago

This is probably why I imagined she left with Louie. Her final scenes were with him, and my ancient addled brain got facts all mixed up.

Interesting that she credits Addie Walsh here, as I remember her interim stints as head writer on ATWT as very good.

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by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 13510 hours ago

Is K-k-k-Katy pence related to Mike Pence?

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 13610 hours ago

For all intents, Katie was a day player once Pam Long took over. Pam wrote for her characters and neglected most of the Marland characters. Katie fell victim to that and essentially became recurring even though she was on contract. At least they gave her a send off. Louie, the guy who proposed to Katie was at least a fellow recurring character (albeit one who was barely developed) and not just someone brought in for a single episode to whisk her off the canvas.

As much as I loved Pam Long's first tenure (at least the first 18-24 months of it before it began faltering with Infinity, Sampson Girl, the record company bullshit), she didn't know what to do with the Marland characters. She tried to write for Nola and Quinton but failed to capture their essence. She tried to write for Tony, pairing him with Annabelle, but he lost his vitality under her pen. She paired Kelly Nelson with Claire, but that was a lackluster pairing. But so many others were completely neglected like Floyd and Katie.

And of course, she didn't even try to do anything with Sarah MacIntyre, Amanda Spaulding, Hope Bauer Spaulding, Mike Bauer, or Trish Lewis. All of them were characters I loved. I was so disappointed they got backburnered upon her arrival and let go when their contracts expired. And she foolishly killed off Hillary Bauer.

The two Marland characters who benefited most under Pam Long were Josh Lewis and Vanessa Chamberlain. And to a lesser extent Maureen Reardon Bauer.

Of course, Phillip became front and center under Pam Long, but he wasn't a Marland creation. In fact Grant joined the cast in Dec. 1982, after Marland was gone. Same with Freddie (Rick) Bauer.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 1379 hours ago

About Sarah MacIntyre, the actress left on her own accord. She wanted to make a career change as a concert pianist and hasn't looked back

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 1389 hours ago

Didn't Marland set up the whole Philip paternity story though with the young red-headed Philip?

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 1399 hours ago

3 of the 4 musketeers all left around the same time(91/92?), did they all decide to leave around the same time or were they let go?

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 1409 hours ago

Alan Spaulding came on the canvas in Nov 1977 at the time the show expanded to 60 minutes. The Dobsons were writing GL at that time. They tied Alan into the Marlers, who had come on the show in 1976, again while the Dobsons were writing.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 1419 hours ago

Grant Alexander and MIchael O'Leary left on their own accord - because they finally reunited Phillip & Beth, the decision was made to write off Beth & Phillip together

So it was not Beth Chamberlain choice to go. A year later Kimberly Simms would be dismissed after contract negotiations broke down.

But back to Grant, both his parents died at the same time and he needed to grieve those losses. So TPTB wrapped up his storyline as quickly as possible,

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 1429 hours ago

Thanks, r141. I watched back then, but was too young to be aware of who the writers were.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 1439 hours ago

Yeah, both Grants parents died in 1990. He'd been front burner for four years since his return in 1986. He said he needed time off to grieve.

As I recall, his father died in Sept or Oct 1990 and there was a temp recast for Phillip a few episodes that aired in Oct 1990. I forget the actor's name. He had been on Edge of Night in 1981 or 82. I think he was also briefly on Search.

Several years ago, we discussed that temp recast and someone figured out who it was. Unfortunately, I've forgotten the name again.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 1449 hours ago

Yes, Phillip and Beth were hurriedly married and written out once Grant decided to leave. I wish they would have had Phillip go to jail, leave Beth and see what they could have done with Beth/ Nick. I think they’d have brought back Lujack instead of Nick or both- Nick first then Lujack. Vincent said they had a story ready for the return of Lujack.

Btw- I know characters coming back from the dead is somewhat controversial but I loved that about soaps.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 1459 hours ago

[quote] Several years ago, we discussed that temp recast and someone figured out who it was.

Craig Augustine

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 1468 hours ago

Thank you r146.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 1478 hours ago

[quote]In fact Grant joined the cast in Dec. 1982, after Marland was gone.

I'm sure Marland noticed Grant once he hit the airwaves.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 1488 hours ago

[quote] I definitely got the feeling that Tylo had some sort of condition. His speech was extremely slow along with the jerky hand movements.

Those are all signs of Parkinson's. He also had a bit of the "Parkinson's mask" where the face is a bit expressionless.

I have a parent suffering the same and all the signs just really reminded me of the same symptoms.

And it's none of our business, and I love Michael and his work. Just thinking that may have explained his actions that day.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 1498 hours ago

[quote] In fact Grant joined the cast in Dec. 1982, after Marland was gone.

Doug Marland & Allen Potter were fine with Jarod Hall and Phil MacGregor playing Phillip and Rick

But when Gail Kobe took over, she fired both and hired Grant Alexander and Michael O'Leary to play those roles

I don't think anyone would complain about that.

by Bert Bauer, hostess with the mostess (except a leg)reply 1508 hours ago
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