Do You Use Gender Pronouns in Your Email Signature at Work??

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1) you're lying, OP, in the attempt to create a provocative thread.

2) Compelled speech and compelled thought is not progressive, it's totalitarian.

3) 'Gender' is a sexist construct used to oppress anyone who isn't a 1950s caricature of masculine or feminine. The zealous adherence to these stereotypes underpins the entirety of trans ideology and is discomfort with these stereotypes, something every single person has to one degree or another, is now classified by the DSM as the definition of 'transgenderism'. They've defined themselves out of meaning.

4) It's the absolute height of narcissism to instruct people on how to refer to you in the 3rd person when you're not even in the fucking room.

5) Pronouns Are Rohypnol

Why would there be any pronoun in an email signature?

THIS IS COMPLETE BS - OP IS A BASEMENT-DWELLING DATA ENTRY CLERK.

THIS IS COMPLETE BS - OP IS A BASEMENT-DWELLING DATA ENTRY CLERK.

THIS IS COMPLETE BS - OP IS A BASEMENT-DWELLING DATA ENTRY CLERK.

THIS IS COMPLETE BS - OP IS A BASEMENT-DWELLING DATA ENTRY CLERK.

THIS IS COMPLETE BS - OP IS A BASEMENT-DWELLING DATA ENTRY CLERK.

THIS IS COMPLETE BS - OP IS A BASEMENT-DWELLING DATA ENTRY CLERK.

THIS IS COMPLETE BS - OP IS A BASEMENT-DWELLING DATA ENTRY CLERK.

I think the pronoun thing is stupid, but it is not hurting anyone.

Not lying, but by these responses it's clear even you asses think it's crazy.

I'm in academia, and certain departments/divisions (such as health services and counseling services) do this with such consistency I wonder if it is required ... or else, highly encouraged.

But this doesn't preclude OP from being a troll, either.

OK then, give and example of a "email signature" that includes "pronoun"

You do know what a signature is?

Deplorable division thread! Post a source!

Wow, it IS a thing!

I have a client whose company's focus is on homeless kids, especially LGBTG+ at risk kids. His email signature states "my pronouns are he/him/his." I personally don't use pronouns and my first name isn't common. Most people don't know if its male or female.

Do you mean, under the name, you have a line

"preferred pronouns: xe, xem, xemself"

?

If so, I apologize for my freakout above.

If your company is so stupid as to require this, just do it to honestly reflect your wishes and not attract any attention about how stupid it is. Best practice.

[quote] Why would there be any pronoun in an email signature?

Many college professors and his school teachers do i, so as to make trans students feel more comfortable and less awkward declaring their pronouns.

If anyone needs me to state my pronouns in my email signature to know I'm a man, they're not fit to be in a place of work.

How do you not know what an email signature looks like in a business setting? I guess you don't work in an office. Shows how much of a bubble you live in really.

But the example would be:

Bob Smith He/Him/His DL Manager Data Lounge Inc. 555-5555 B.Smith@DL.com

Why all this hatred toward OP? What did schme do? Answer schmis question.

*"do it," not "do i"

A social worker I work with writes her pronouns in her signature block as do all her coworkers. I wouldn’t want to have to do it either.

If my work asked me to do it, I wouldn't mind. I don't see the problem. I prefer he/him.

OP needs to be thrown into a jungle and left up to his own devices. He has too much time on his hands.

[Quote]For a person who is transgender or nonbinary, sharing pronouns can be a bit riskier. If someone is transitioning at work and only a few people know about it, sharing pronouns may out them before they’re ready. For a nonbinary person, sharing they/them pronouns often only sparks a lengthier conversation (*coughthisarticlecough*) rather than simply inform people.

[Quote][bold]That’s why we ask cisgender people to lead the change by sharing pronouns.[/bold] It normalizes the process, has little risk, and actually makes for a safer environment for everyone.

My signature: Bob Smith, FABULOUS!

I've received several at work with pronouns on them. At 48 I think it's something younger people want to do. I have no intention of joining in.

Troll thread.

F&F.

R22 shows how weak-minded you are if you can't answer a question without emotionally collapsing.

There's no question in my email signature what gender I am. There are only two possibilities. There, I said it.

It irks me when companies pay women less than men but OMG PRONOUNS!

I think it's ridiculous, but if my job required it, I'd bite the bullet and do it.

I draw the line at "Latinx", though. If they tried to force me to use that stupid fucking word, I'd quit on the spot.

Are you HIspanic, R26?

No one requires us to state our pronouns at the beginning of meetings (in academia). That said, both those who do and those who don't send a clear message.

This is what I don't like about the whole "state your pronouns" trend. It's a covert way to categorize people based on ideology.

I don't do it, but one of my students told me that it stood out I don't do it since so many other professors at our college do.

In my professional life or with my friends and neighbors and family, gender pronouns / signatures aren't even discussed. They're not even a topic of conversation.

At my congregation, however, there's a lot of dialogue about including gender pronouns / signatures in our e-mails, on name tags, in correspondence. While I don't think posting pronouns hurts anyone, maybe it's good for some people. I'm not certain I need to include it in church-related letters or my e-mail. Maybe it makes some people feel more comfortable, but I think I'd feel like a social justice warrior, maybe it would come off as condescendingly progressive. Doubtful that my ministers or fellow congregants are suddenly confused that I might not be a man.

Also, I'm Latino, I'm a fifth generation American man of Puerto Rican / Spanish / Argentine heritage. LatinO, not LatinX.

OP is repeating the Sad Lez thing that was posted here a few days back.

Shit

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r30 are you Unitarian? (Just curious.)

Thank the goddess I'm old and retired.

OP tried this already

I’ve seen this in professional emails and I was laughing so hard the first time I saw it. Luckily we haven’t been forced yet.

R32, lol and yes. How did you know?

Lol, I attended a Unitarian church for awhile and the scenario in your post seemed very Unitarian!

So they don't want to be the firsts doing it ?

They fear the backlash perhaps ?

Yes, UUs are very politically correct.

British DLer here.

I work for the NHS and attended a course on trans awareness just before lockdown. Putting pronouns in emails was mentioned as a "nice thing to do" but no one was instructed to. I I did laugh when an Indian woman with a thick Brummie accent, said "I don't need to do that - I have Mrs in front of my first name as no one ever knows whether I'm a he or a she, they can't even pronounce my bloody name".

So far the only emails I've had where it has been added are from obviously Britiish origin gendered names like Jenny-Ann, Marcus, Eric and Katie.

I'm in a team of 25 and we have 3 Alexs. Two of them are senior managers and are often the contacts for our department and if I take calls I get a lot of "Do you know when he'll be back" when they're both women, and the solitary male Alex often gets referred to as she because he's in a traditionally female role.

Because we so have so many international staff with names that aren't instinctively gendered you get used to using gender neutral language when speaking to people. "Is Doctor XXX there, do you know when they'll be back? Do you have their secretary's number?"

R6 My sister who teaches at a Jesuit college says that the women and gender's studies department does this, but no one else there.

How woke, and stupid, of the Jesuits to host a Gender Studies department.

What the fuck is a gender pronoun in a signature?

"Mrs. Norman Maine"?

Fuck off, OP. Shove your two question marks up your gash.

My pronouns are me, me, me.

[quote] Some people at work don't like that they're being compelled to do something they're not a part of.

All of those people wouldn't be doing what they are doing all day long if they weren't at work and being paid to do the things they don't like to do.

It's just empathy run amok.

[quote]What the fuck is a gender pronoun in a signature?

[quote]"Mrs. Norman Maine"?

[quote]Fuck off, OP. Shove your two question marks up your gash.

Lovely response, r43. Obviously you have not been in the employment sector recently (if ever).

Yes, it's a thing. A signature block goes at the end of a written or email communication, and includes name, title, address and contact information. The suggested pronouns go after the name or at the end.

Jan Bowen pronouns: she/her/hers Director, Communications UCSF Department of Oncology San Francisco, CA

R45 has the right approach. It’s called “work” and that’s why they pay you to do it. Also, in increasingly diverse or international workplaces, it assists communication with individuals who have unusual (to us) first names.

format fuckup, sorry

Jan Bowen

Pronouns: she/her/hers

Communications Director

UCSF Department of Oncology

900 Parnassus Ave

San Francisco, CA

Heaven forbid we have to think about anyone else for two seconds!

Thing in the pit in the basement

Pronouns: It, it, its

If you have a cock you are a “he”. If you have a cunt you are a “she”. That’s it. Trannies can try to change millions of years of biology but it won’t work. There are two genders and you are born with one. Putting on a wig or chopping your tits off doesn’t change anything.

At the university that I work at it only seems to be Librarians, trans folks and straight Cis people who do it.

If I were sending an email from 2018 I might consider it.

And R52, I'm a librarian. See the shit I have to put up with?

R7, my therapist does this. She’s an employee of a major hospital system. Like this:

“Dildo McPhallus, LCSW Preferred pronouns: she/her Clinic Coordinator”

Wow, what are the odds we'd have the same therapist, R54? I love my sessions with her.

this thread has triggered me.

If A Person Has A Penis, He's A Man

What do you mean by that? You mean like signing my name: Eric G. He/him? I find it stupid, but wouldn't care less about it if required to do so.

I work in academia and in our department, we are strongly encouraged to have our pronouns in our signatures. I would say that about 80% do, and 20% don't.

R42 I was surprised too. It's at Loyola and looks particularly awful.

Apparently, Fordham is annoyingly "woke" now too.

I applied for a job with a person named Nestor. The person was near-deaf, and even speaking and also, seeing this person, I wasn’t sure of the gender,

Another HR rep was named Dwain V. Once we spoke, I could identify the gender, but my initial contact with her got it writing.

Then I had a coworker who weighed about 20350 pounds. A nice person, but her gender was unidentifiable even after meeting her, poor thing.

OP wants attention. Don't give it to her.

Ms. Jan Jones

Mr. Jan Jones

Ms. Dr. Jan Jones

Mr. Dr. Jan Jones

[quote]Compelled speech and compelled thought is not progressive, it's totalitarian.

What?! The left being totalitarian?!! Impossible!

Yes, it is a thing and is happening increasingly in academia, where every new flavor-of-the-month social cause is recognized and pandered to ad nauseam.

I do, but just to be supportive It’s neither encouraged or discouraged.

Straight people, being especially slow on the uptake, are wildly susceptible to Trans Agenda nonsense. Insanity.

[quote]That’s why we ask cisgender people to lead the change by sharing pronouns. It normalizes the process, has little risk, and actually makes for a safer environment for everyone.

Riiiiight. Safer for everyone except men and women who have now been rebranded and regendered as "cis" by the Transtapo.

Notice that you can't just say "I'm a man", or "I'm a woman", because that is LITERAL VIOLENCE. The gender illusionists cowardly thread the needle with "preferred third-person pronouns" which do absolutely nothing to indicate one's true biological gender, which is actually a fixed binary.

This is such a cool problem to experience. And you are allowed to change your mind.

For example, I’ve worked as a more demented Mrs. Meers in one position. For another, I’ve been a slightly more odd-looking version of Lurch.

According to Google, only 0.6% of people are trans. Why is so much attention being given to them? Why are they making so many demands, as if they're a majority and not an incredibly small percentage of people? 'Cis' people are 99.4% of the population. It shouldn't even be part of the conversation. This gender crap started because of millennials, who decided suddenly to change the definition. Sex and gender used to mean the same thing. Period. The parents of millennials made them think they were different and special and made them think that the world revolved around them. So somewhere (in the 2000s? 90s?) millennials decided to redefine the word gender and give it a new concept - one that is anti-science and pro-delusion. I do believe there are some people who are genuinely trans - the ones who fully do the surgery and hormones, etc. But these young people who present fully as their biological gender and then say they're the opposite gender are intolerable. Gen Z have grown up with this weird gender crap already as part of their cultural and personal identity. I don't blame them really, but they're carrying the torch and continuing the delusion. The whole thing is exhausting.

I'm really sick of it and I'm glad I don't have to deal with the younger generations in my day to day life.

This is so inane. How can someone be they/them/their? A person's pronoun is singular not plural (well, unless you have multiple personalities).

The Mayor of Portland has his pronouns in his Twitter bio, as if there'd ever be confusion.

They're brainwashing y'all and using your careers as leverage against you.

I used to live in the Netherlands. The pronouns "she" and "they" are the same in Dutch ("zij"), so since Dutch non-binaries can't use the third-person plural in Dutch, some have actually resorted to using the English "they" and insist on being called that.

In my mother’s group women are stating their pronouns on their workplace profiles because they’re so woke and want to be inclusive. It’s like ladies you’ve just had babies I’ve had babies we know you’re a she/her you don’t need to tell us.

she/her/hers, motherfucker.

The reason why this is a problem is because it normalises and forces the trans cult gender ideology onto everyone, even those who disagree with it.

If forced to do this, I would just write biological woman/biological woman.

I have a man's name and I am clearly a man. I have no need to clarify it for anyone that the English male pronouns are the appropriate ones.

I think it's largely about virtue signaling.

It annoys me on another level because having non-traditional "preferred pronouns" is a way to control people when you're not around. When people make a clear move from MtF or FtM, it's different for me. There is a clear movement from one gender to another, from one set of accepted pronouns to another. It's the they/them, zie/xhyr crowd that really rankles me, and the people who "switch pronouns" every few months. (And yes, this is a thing.)

I've said it elsewhere, but there seems to be a huge element of suggestibility among people who switch their pronouns. How many of these people would would be "gender fluid" if it wasn't presented as a possibility? I work on a college campus and there definitely seems to be a "type" that is attracted to gender fluidity: a bit socially awkward, most likely gay or lesbian (although they call themselves "queer"), suggestible. They want desperately to fit in and feel OK. They think their gender identity is what ails them.

It's not.

I was on a Zoom call with clients and they all had (she/her) (he/his) in their Name field. I don't include mine and I wouldn't do it if my company asked us to.

I noticed this in a Zoom meeting recently r80 (although only a couple of participants had pronouns).

But at the beginning of the meeting, when we introduced ourselves, almost everyone stated their pronouns.

I did not, and it was noticeable. This is why I feel it's increasingly about ideological policing rather than outreach to the trans community.

I wonder what I would do if we had to include pronouns in our introductions. I guess I would skip it, or I hope I would. It's really something. Imagine if someone asked you to announce your your nationality at the start of a meeting. Or astrological sign. Who gives a shit? You're on the call with me, so you're not saying, "he/him" but rather my name, right?

Why don't we all just include our sexualities in our email signatures?

Hell no.

Turn-ons and turn-offs.

Lol r85

Turn offs: bossy bottoms

Biggest weakness: legs

Benedict Smythe-Hutchinson

Head of Marketing - Leather Division

Dirty Mare Limited

127-129 Horseguards Parade

London SW16 9BB

benjy@dirtymare.co.uk

Pronouns: he/him/boy/slave

MARRY ME r88

I am glad for this thread because it reconfirmed my strategy to choose your battles. I am a college prof and if it ever came to this, I would just go with the "purity policing" and focus my attention on other things. It's not worth it, especially if students buy into it. To stay happy in teaching, its important to connect with students for the learning and basic humanity - most of them are very optimistic, unlike colleagues and administrators who burn out by their 50s, if not 40 but stick around another 20 years. I like my paycheck and if I had to hear someone say they are "they" and "xhim", who cares?

R89 must enjoy being easily impressed.

they/you/ours

Yours/Mine/Ours

Indeed r91

R90 That's a lot of rambling to say "I'm afraid of my students and will obey this ideological ritual I don't believe in to protect myself." You're supposed to be teaching them to think.

I wonder if you could just make up your own - and switch it whenever you want.

Mon/Wed/Fri - karinga, bousheve, obtantu

Tues/Thurs - verrigamu, ostantu, dojuran

However, I will deem that you've misgendered me and purposely used the wrong pronoun even if I read it on a Tuesday, even if you sent it on Monday.

These are my boundaries. Respect my boundaries. Long live boundaries.

"You're supposed to be teaching them to think."

Exactly, r95. And it's also a fairly shitty attitude to take towards those students who don't believe in this pronouns shit or who dont't like it but are being peer pressured into it (which I suspect is many).

"I believe that children are the future, and that I will have no future if I get fired for not stating my pronouns so I'll shrug it off and obey. They're so full of spirit! Surely this will end here, and not escalate!"

I notice it's becoming a bit more common in my field, but mostly from community based organizations. Younger generations seem to do it more, too. I don't think I'd ever convince my 73 year-old boss that his signature block should include "he/him" on it, although in our writing we have been instructed to move towards "they/their" instead of the singular "he/his/she/her's".

Why are you so sure that OP is lying? I work at a University and have several colleagues at other schools and noticed one of them had this in her email signature. Something like, "My preferred pronouns are her/she" or something like that. I thought it was stupid and I hope that our school doesn't buy into it.

I'd sign

Bob Smith fuck/this/shit

and then get fired.

R82 just gave me the idea that I might, if required, use my astrological sign as my Gender Identity and my preferred pronoun as “zim/zam/zoom”

I don't even know what that means.

FYI, if the changes to the Equality Act pass, 'misgendering' will be made a crime and all of gay people and women's sex based rights will cease to exist. You might wanna contact your Senators.

This is insane. People can believe they are vampires, Napoleon, women when they're men, men when they're women, black when they're white but I also have a right to not along with their delusions.

r105, you will if the trans changes are passed by the Senate.

Does the Senate care about people who want to be a different sex? I don't understand why these people have so much power all of a sudden. Who is backing them?

Picking your battles is NOT being afraid of students. Anyway college students are adults. It's not my job to make them think about these issues in particular thought we are all supposed to develop critical thinking.

He is a similar situation. When cell phones also turned into computers. How to deal with that in a college classroom. I tired for a year or two to police it then I stopped with bans and punishments etc etc. But I had colleagues and even deans who kept fighting and fighting and fighting it. To no real success. In fact many college kids have to have a connected gadget on to do anything. I switched early on into 2 tactics - 1) include the gadgets and information searches into my lessons and 2) when their attention needs to be NOT on their phones and the space outside the classroom, you had better give them a valid and interesting task to keep their attention and respect.

Teaching adults - college - is quite different than teaching elementary school.

So if this gender ideology regime installed at my college I would just go with the flow because its not worth it to fight it. Its kind of silly but that's just my opinion and its better to go with consensus and also what the management wants you to do. It's called a job.

r107, the bio-medical industry.

r107, billionaire trans-identified men Jennifer Pritzker and Martine Rothblatt are two of the major funders.

[quote]Why don't we all just include our sexualities in our email signatures?

And dick size and current assets and prospective inheritances.

Something useful.

I suppose after this will need to include our ethnic percentages in DNA

I work on a very liberal campus and personal pronouns are very common here. All our forms and documentation for both students and staff asks for your gender identity and personal pronouns. I would say about 80% of people have it in their signature. It isn't uncommon for people to state their pronoun when they introduce themselves (although not required). I was at a work conference and they did a round of introductions and asked everyone to state their pronouns with their name / school. It got weird and awkward as a couple people questioned it and it turned into a discussion and went way off topic!

I had a student who was genderfluid and preferred no pronouns - just their given name (which they had changed) as they don't identify as any gender! It was fine talking directly to them because it is easy to say 'you' but when talking about them, it was challenging. I got better at it over time.

[quote]I wonder if you could just make up your own - and switch it whenever you want.

Philip/Pips Bunce

Director of Senior Importance

Credit Suisse

London

Monday and Tuesday and the 1st, 3rd and 5th Wednesday of each month: Phil/Mr/he/him

Thursday and Friday and the 2nd and 4th Wednesday of each month: Pips/Ms/she/her

R115 PLEASE, someone get THEM a stylist. For the love of god!!!!!!!

r116, I think looking ridiculous is part of the point for the autogynephiles who are addicted to sissyfication.

No. I wouldn't be caught dead doing this. I'm not comfortable with it. I get that it's something younger people do (I'm in my 40's)

My first thought reading the OP was that I can see Target corporate implementing pronouns in signatures, if they don't already.

Pussy

Pips Bunce seems to have taken necklace placement tips from Neely O'Hara.

Contact your fucking Senators. This is serious.

R108, R109

You are both, I think willfully, underestimating the voraciousness and viciousness of the gender movement. They will get you under heel. In other collegiate environments, early obsequience has been interpreted as weakness by activists, which caused them to amp up demands rather than back off.

This is a small first step that needs to be resisted before bigger, more dangerous steps get taken.

You both also said you're willing to play along to protect your jobs, which is behavior motivated by fear. Don't want to admit to that? That's denial.

Or you could ignore good advice meant for your benefit, and repeat clichés about your students being adults and you can't control adults yadda yadda.

Gender is fundamentally homophobic. This will, one day or another, become a movement you have to defend yourself from.

I know I sound hysterical, but I'm looking out for you. This is the ugly truth.

(R96) Great idea! Using the same logic (or illogic) that these freaks use. All of these new pronouns are made-up anyway.

Watch this comedy video of an ESL teacher teaching students the new pronouns they have to learn.

As my parents used to say, "I'm glad I'll be dead soon."

It makes me want to rebel, and I would say "It" and "Them"

Then I can pretend I would sue those who get it wrong.

My parents used to say "Life used to be so much simpler," and being an old hippie, I am happy that pot is legal.

The pronoun craze is going to run its course pretty soon.

Being a copyeditor, hearing "they" in reference to a single person makes me cringe.

R125 Fingers crossed. It has the potential to become very ugly.

My husbands been getting emails from the social work department at the local state university & at the bottom, after the signature of the woman sending the emails it says “Pronouns: her, she”

I work for a federal agency. Not only would that be discouraged, but people aren't even able to list their degrees after their names in an environment where we are mostly licensed professionals. Apparently, upper management is more skilled at suck-up than formal education and they don't want to have to look at our accomplishments. Or show us their lack of them.

It amuses me when people use them on Twitter when it's blatantly obvious.

Mike Glenn Harrison (@MGHarrison) Photographer by day, Foot fetishist by night. Soccer (San Fran Felchers) Baseball (Seattle Quims) Basketball (New Orleans Dingleberries) All tweets in a personal capacity. He/him.

I'm so glad this nonsense hasn't quite taken off in the UK yet.

My impression has been the U.K. is much farther along with this than the U.S.

It seems like Muriel should merge this thread with: "What will be the next armchair mental health diagnosis du jour?"

R122. I don't like what "gender activists" have done to gay and lesbian organizations. However your argument is weak sauce about what it means in certain campus environments. We are not talking sports and housing and lifestyle issues at the elite liberal arts. What "demands" are gender activitists going to make of subject professors in STEM universities? So what if they insist an Advanced Electronic Systems professor respect xhirx's pronouns. Xhirx will still have to do the dry, technical work of the course. Let deans fight these battles amongst themselves, with direction, with regional direction, and with students. Most teachers have other things to "teach", frankly. This is all motivated out of deans and direction, and certain departments in certain kinds of schools. If its about gender studies or post-colonial studies or performance studies - have at it. Professors would be so much more involved in such issues.

This trans cult pronoun madness is pure bullying!

We all have to pretend that everyone's gender is somehow a mystery and that the only way to know is to inquire? Ah, hell no!

Do you fucking mean to insinuate that you cannot discern my gender just from looking at me?

R133, if you read what most of the unis did in that article you'll find it's not much and in those that have done something it tends to be limited to the student union activities (the student-run extra-curricular stuff, not the actual teaching programmes). That's not to say there aren't worrying developments, but I find it hard to see British companies asking staff to state their pronouns.

r136, it's illegal to 'misgender' someone in NYC now and a hate crime in the UK.

[quote][R136], it's illegal to 'misgender' someone in NYC now and a hate crime in the UK.

I wonder if it can be spun that you've been "misgendered" even if they get the correct one by accident?

For example, let's say someone refers to another person as "he" but without knowing that "he" is the preferred term. Is that misgendering? I'm betting that the law is written, of necessity, in such a manner that that situation is possible.

I used to get debt collection calls for someone who didn’t live with me. It was odd. Anyway, the message was always the same: [italic] Monica Bell, please return the call to Mrs. Jackson...” [/italic] Mrs. Jackson sets the hierarchy right from the start. She is “Mrs.”, and Monica is ‘Monica”. I rarely encounter that power play but if I do, I level it from the start.

R134

-Dictating the content of your courses.

-Eliminating mention of biological sex from course texts.

-Eliminating teaching of content specific to homosexuality or females.

-Throwing hissy fits over perceived slights occurring during class discussions, and demanding various performative apologies that interfere with your ability to teach.

- Hounding you and attempting to have you fired over perceived slights, such as not believing in gender or disobeying whatever gender dogma has been applied to your particular field.

I'd need to know what discipline you teach in to give more specific examples- even if you teach piano, this is a problem that will end up affecting you.

R32, R37, R39, yes, your comments are accurate. Compliments! You're very observant and perceptive!

The gender pronoun dialogue and being more inclusive are hot topics at church. And while I understand those perspectives, I think UUs are already very welcoming, accepting and inclusive. Not certain I need to advise my ministers to refer to my partner and I as as men or as 'he'. But I guess using those pronouns are a sign of being alert.

Thank goodness my boss is a wonderful REPUBLICAN woman in Flyoverstan. I'll never have to deal with this nonsense. All you coastal gays are screwed tho. The trannies are coming.

I sure hope they do this at my place of employment. I will add "I have a penis and testes, therefore I'm a he/his/him" to my signature.

R141 honey I went to Brown and Sorbonne when we invented all this so I understand how perverted and rotten it became over the decades. But luckily your scenario will not happen in my STEM university in Europe, at least not in my time. I'm an old. I feel pity for the universities and everyone involved in them, that are beset by this culture. And I agree with you, they let that happen. It won't happen here. What you describe is something that has run amok only in certain schools in certain countries. The prima donna navel gazers might attempt that in Science and Engineering but there isn't a lot of room to let that in and zero tolerance by the upper ups.

R144 Well smell you! You've jinxed yourself now, you will have gender-related difficulties in your classes and the upper-ups will tolerate it. Such is the way of hubris.

Perhaps! Why are you so antagonistic, as I am not your enemy. I am just not as pessimistic as you, that this culture will take over the world. I've taught in the Middle East, North Africa, and Central Africa too. These are not concerns, you realise. Most young people in the world are very respectful of hierarchy and age and have very grounded priorities.

Every time I am referred to as a "cis" male, someone is misgendering me, and that will become a case in court if the trans cult keeps this shit up!

I imagine the extremely ambitious Eve Harrington, er, I mean Corey Johnson will be our next mayor, and he is fully devoted to the Trans Agenda. I don't think he's sincere in the slightest, he's a real operator, and will say what is popular to get elected. I don't think he's a bad guy exactly, but other than reading the room very well, I'm not sure there's much else there.

I wish I could add as my preferred pronouns Big Dicked Male/Biological Male!

I keep thinking this thread is from 2017. It is thoroughly implemented throughout my field--in email signatures, on business cards, on nameplates outside offices, in introductions in meetings or speeches, on name badges at conferences, now on Zoom calls.

As explained to us, it is to make people with nonstandard identities feel comfortable in doing so too. I've never see someone use pronouns that were surprising to me. I can count on two hands the number of people who use they/them/theirs. One person uses both she/her/hers and he/him/his. I have never seen the zhe/zhe/zhing thing.

In theory, it's all voluntary. I think it's like making your Facebook profile tricolor during Je Suis Charlie.

I play along sometimes; sometimes not. I need to think about this more. I honestly think the chance that my actions could help anyone who needs support is incredibly small; likewise, the cost of doing all this also seems small. But something stops me from going all gung-ho.

R42

I'm currently attending a Jesuit college, and last December, they called their Christmas tree lighting a "holiday" tree lighting. Announcement of pronouns is mandatory in many of my classes. I see "Latinx" everywhere. Jesuits have gone uberwoke except for where it really counts: the school is still forbidden to tell students about the services Planned Parenthood provides.

Her Majesty, Victoria, by Grace of God, of the United Kingdom, Great Britain, and Ireland Queen, Defender of the Faith, Empress of India we/us/ours

We have to at my job, OP. And at my last one as well. Both are nonprofits serving seniors.

The cost of going along with this isn't at all small r149, it's opening the door to the idea that sex and sexuality are not real, they are just constructs, it's all gender and identity now, and that is dangerous for gays and women and the whole of society. The fact that it's not possible for you not to go along with it - despite the fact that only 2-3 people that you've encountered in your field have a "nonstandard identity" and do not use the pronouns that are grammatically applicable to them and hence this is all unnecessary - is proof of how dangerous and dictatorial it is.

Oh, slippery slope. Of course.

r149, it's compelled speech and thought. You're being forced to adopt someone else's religion. And by the transcult's own logic, no gay people can actually be 'cis' which they incorrectly define as being 'gender conforming'. Being gay is 'gender non-conforming'. Do not let them name you.

R149 What would happen to someone in your office who refused to participate?

Has anyone refused?

What’s the point of listing all the pronouns? ‘He’ implies ‘him’ and ‘his’. Or are there also people/trolls who declare their pronouns to be he/him/xis?

r157, they're narcissists who think other people are constantly talking about them and they want to control everyone else's language and thought.

[quote]What’s the point of listing all the pronouns? ‘He’ implies ‘him’ and ‘his’. Or are there also people/trolls who declare their pronouns to be he/him/xis?

Well, if they're going to do it, might as well list them all so I don't have to look them up for whatever craziness is spiraling around xir or zir or xyr or eir brain.

That said, I wonder if you could get away with NEVER using a pronoun. I wonder how offended one of them would be if you insisted on referring to them by name, rather than using a pronoun.

Something similar happens, R159. I work in an LGBTQ org and pronouns are a part of our email signatures and when we are instructed to use them when we verbally introduce ourselves to others in meetings. I've encountered one person who has requested name use only, no pronouns, and it's extremely hard and awkward to talk about a person without using he/him, she/her, or they/them.

R160 Has anyone ever refused to participate in these practices at your organization? What happened?

If not, what do you think would happen to someone who refused?

"I work in an LGBTQ org..." - so you are one of the people responsible for dumping this trans nonsense on us.

R159

That's what I've been doing when I have reason to think someone goes by non-obvious pronouns. I just don't use pronouns at all. I figure they'd eventually notice if I use their name too often, so often this translates into my avoiding talking to and about people who look like genderspecials. It's kind of ironic since this means they're ultimately turning themselves into social pariahs since no one wants to deal with them and their meltdowns.

I've started correcting people who refer to me, or lump me in with that LGBTQIA+ bullshit.

I say "I'm not LGBTQ anything, I'm GAY!" Of course the straights are confused, but most gays get it.

R159. I mentioned earlier that we have one student who does not use pronouns, only their name.

Lordy, such snowflakes. It's optional where I work, and I've been considering adding it. I'm not trans, nor do I have an ambiguous name. However, I must admit that as a gay man, I feel much more welcome, because someone who is doing their best to be welcoming to trans folk is probably not going to be homophobic. Likewise, others will mark themselves as an ambassador or put a rainbow flag in their signature.

R166 Have you read this thread?

I think the biggest reason I don’t like this is that, for the most part, my gender is irrelevant to doing my job. Just not sure what difference it makes in most things to begin with.

No one likes this shit except narcissists.

The tranny army is incredibly dangerous

I stand with JK Rowling. Women are being erased from society by trannies. I won’t let it happen.

R165 Just talk about them like you're a cop testifying in court. "This individual... this person... the subject.."

"Of course the straights are confused, but most gays get it." - Yes r164, the straights are confused because they think trans is just some kind of extension of gay and it's about gender stereotypes and feelings. They don't get that it's a pernicious homophobic and misogynistic ideology that seeks to erase any concept of same-sex attraction and aims to make any references to biological sex pretty much illegal. Most gays do get it, of course, but we've been turned into pariahs and unwanted beings in our own so-called "community" because we insist on loving our own sex and even saying that we do, which is a real no-no.

"it's extremely hard and awkward to talk about a person without using he/him, she/her, or they/them." - You could just use the pronouns that reflect their biological sex, which is what also happens to be grammatically correct.

I just wish the news sites who use they/them singular pronouns would acknowledge how fucking confusing their writing is, particular when “they” is used to refer to a snowflake AND to refer to a group of people in the same fucking sentence.

I don't care if we all use they in the future (which is what I predict). Fine by me; I know how to interpret "you" as either plural or singular so I'll figure it out, I'm sure.

We will eventually come up with a new term for plural they, intevitably.

Gender pronouns are not as interesting as sexual orientation indicators. m4m or w4w would spice things up in email signatures.

[quote]I just wish the news sites who use they/them singular pronouns would acknowledge how fucking confusing their writing is, particular when “they” is used to refer to a snowflake AND to refer to a group of people in the same fucking sentence.

This was a headline a few months ago, about a snowflake and two groups of people:

[quote]Fans of Sam Smith have rushed to Sam’s defence after trolls cruelly compared Sam’s quarantine meltdown to elderly war veteran Captain Tom Moore who has raised millions of pounds for the NHS’ is better.

It would have read better as:

[quote]Sam Smith was defended by fans after trolls compared the beardy penised singer's quarantine...

r176, it matters because the laws that include existing language change when the meanings of the words change. There are no more sex-based protections, when 'gender identity' is given equal or greater legal weight.

I just received a forwarded work email from someone in another department. The original email was signed, and I shit you not:

John Doe

them/he/she

He's taking the piss

Email from British employer

"Not all people who identify as LGBTI+ (where's the Q????) are living in a supportive household; they may not be able to live in their authentic identity.

This could lead to them being misgendered during video conferences or telephone calls and cause distress. If a person isn't presenting how you would expect them to, for their safety, please check with them how they would like to be addressed - this could be achieved by first introducing your own pronouns.

They may be missing out on regular validation and affirmation of their identity by not seeking their friends and/or work colleagues so try and be sensitive to this. If appropriate maybe check with your colleagues via email or text to see that they are okay.

Please be aware that some colleagues may have to out themselves to let you know they need to shield. This could be very difficult for them if needed so please speak to HR on how to manage this.

During this time colleagues may not be able to access interventions that they normally would, e.g. facial hair removal. If this is the case please be sensitive to this and continue to support their identities as best possible."

Picture of rainbow flag with trans blue and pink and black and brown stripes

I pretty much do whatever I'm told to do at work. They're paying the bills and it's a contractual relationship. I can leave if I want. So far not required. But if it were I'd go along.