Coronavirus Freakout 43: COVID Crapshoot

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What happens in Vegas....probably won't stay in Vegas

These assholes.

My mother was hospitalized in the middle of the night. She was fine when she went to bed, and woke up at 2 AM with GI distress.

By 3 AM she had a fever and was struggling to breath.

We can't be there. We can't get a doctor or nurse on the phone because they are so busy.

This is awful, and they play around like "oh well."

r3 - call an ambulance for her; her condition appears serious and deteriorating rapidly.

ttttttttttt

Why would you take your kids to Las Vegas- to see Wayne Newton?

R4 Thank you, my father brought her to the hospital right away when she became ill. She was admitted, but we weren't able to get any information for hours because of how busy the hospital staff are now that elective surgeries are allowed.

I'm stunned at how quickly it can take over a person's body.

Interesting thread about how asymptomatic (not just presymptomatic) people not only really do spread the virus, but also have evidence of lung damage:

R8 Hold me David. I'm scared.

Whurs the pipe tho gurrrrl

In the coming years, we all will have to get our lungs x-rayed for ground glass effect lung damage.

R11 In truth, a CT scan is the most accurate way to detect COVID-19, but American insurance companies would never allow CT scanning on a mass scale.

China detected its highest number of daily coronavirus cases in months on Sunday, locking down parts of Beijing in a warning of the difficulties of avoiding a resurgence of the pandemic as Europe prepared to open more borders and loosen restrictions this week.

A wholesale food market in the Chinese capital, where traces of the virus were detected, was closed at the weekend. Nearby housing estates were also placed under quarantine after authorities detected 36 new coronavirus cases in the city and another 19 across the country.

The discovery sparked fears of a possible second wave of a virus that was first detected in the Chinese city of Wuhan in December but which appeared to be declining in the country by March as most of the world entered lockdowns. With many countries loosening restrictions, the Chinese flareup illustrated the difficulty in keeping the virus suppressed.

Central Park sunbathers skip masks — and pants — in coronavirus defiance

A couple of these sunbathers seem exceptionally happy to be out and about.

Fucking fools

Those who think covid-19 is no big deal -- as the Central Park sunbathers apparently do -- need to skim this thread:

R15, good catch.

A year ago, the vast majority of DLers would have given the sunbathers a "two-thumbs up" and raced to the park.

Times certainly have changed.

People really are lemmings.

Nature knew what it takes to bring us down.

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🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 8,028,325

DEATHS: 436,277

CRITICAL: 54,538

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 2,162,896

DEATHS: 117,865

CRITICAL: 16,704

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R13, what's really alarming about the increase in Beijing is that the citizens seem to ALWAYS wear a mask! If masks don't work, the Deplorables will have a field day. Provided of course they read about this. And provided, they can read and understand.

R22 On the other hand, they might have had 300 new cases in Beijing rather than 36 if it wasn't for masks.

Here's an interesting flowchart on the lifecycle of this disease, posted by cute Doctor Cameron.

I go for a walk in central park every other day, it's been very busy for a couple of weeks now and I've noticed on the weekends, the young people are sitting around in groups, no masks and they are not related. It's not like it's a family who has been quarantined in the same house and know that they are not infected, sitting close together enjoying the sunshine etc.

Thanks, R23. I always wear a mask when I'm out unless I'm on my daily walk. It's easier to social distance when I'm outside.

IT's 45 fault. He botched response to initial warning signs and further exacerbated the situation by refusing to cut checks to the people yell for re-opening. As well as set the narrative that the virus is a hoax, not that bad, that masks are evils, and have all the red states force people to go back to work.

Even still as cases go up and people die, he's going on a rally tour for his reelection. Never mind the fact people are STILL protesting further more all his stunts are backfiring. I hope the approval polls and election polls are correct. I don't want this man to get rewarded for all the shit that he's been doing for the past 3 and 1/2 years.

WH Economic Advisers Shrug Off Second Wave Of Virus | Morning Joe | MSNBC

How odd. The Hill reports that attendees at Trump's rally in Oklahoma on Saturday will be given temperature check, masks and hand sanitizer before entering the arena.

Seems like a big waste of money for a virus that's no worse than the flu.

NYC mayor is ill. Not briefing today.

Bump

Reuters:

U.S. FDA revokes emergency use status of drug touted by Trump for COVID-19

Reuters:

Mutation in new coronavirus increases chance of infection - study

GOP senator defends Trump’s Tulsa rally as health official warns it’s a ‘huge risk factor’ amid coronavirus spike

“She was so beautiful”

Joe Rogan told me masks are for pussies?

Sue him.

Thailand on Monday lifted a nationwide curfew after 21 days since a recorded case of local transmission of COVID-19.

The Southeast Asian nation of about 70 million people was the first country outside China to report a case of coronavirus, on Jan. 13, and has been a relative success story in containing it, with just 3,135 confirmed cases and 58 fatalities. Some 2,987 patients have recovered.

Officials have credited Thais’ early adoption of wearing masks - ubiquitous in public since January - as well as its border closure, shuttering of many business and the curfew for the retreat of the new virus.

R28..the visual of all the deplorables wearing masks is going to be a bit incongruous

Good news: t's been 8 days since a huge protest in Phila, PA. There were 6,000 in attendance. But there has been no uptick in new infections for PA. Yesterday it was only 308 cases, the lowest since peak on April 24.

Alabama has recorded record numbers of new coronavirus cases for four straight days amid a worsening outbreak in the state.

On Sunday, Alabama reported more than 1,000 cases in a day for the first time since the pandemic began, marking a fourth-consecutive record following 888 cases seen on Saturday, 859 cases on Friday and 848 cases on Thursday, according to state data.

The rate of positive tests is also on the rise, with the seven-day daily average reaching 13.39 percent as of Sunday. That's the highest since mid-April and is an increase of nearly 100 percent from last Sunday’s seven-day average of 7.78 percent.

so many people requested tickets to the rally on Sat. that they have to find a 2nd venue. I wonder what percentage of these rally goers are going to get the virus and how many will die.

Someone said there would be no increase in the virus with protesters because of all the positive energy that was flowing. I'm sure the same thing can't be said about this upcoming rally which will be based on hatred.

That is indeed good news, R39. This past Friday, Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan’s office said it had seen no evidence so far that protesters are testing positive for COVID-19 at higher rates than normal after attending protests. Out of 3,000 free tests offered to protestors, fewer than 1% were positive. Let's hope that trend continues across the nation.

A 70-year-old man in Seattle survived the coronavirus, got applauded by staff when he left the hospital after 62 days -- and then got a $1.1 million, 181-page hospital bill.

🗑️ Seems like the free healthcare for all victims of the Corona got tossed out along with the free test kits for every single American in this country who wanted one.

New local cases in China. Increased deaths and cases in Iran. And now this news from Turkey. IT is happening again....

Guardian-Turkey’s health minister warned citizens against complacency on Monday as daily coronavirus cases doubled compared with figures in early June, Agence France-Presse reports. The country registered 1,592 new cases and 18 Covid-19 deaths for the past 24 hours, Fahrettin Koca said on his official Twitter account. There were 786 infections in a 24-hour period on 2 June. At the height of the pandemic, Turkey recorded over 5,000 daily cases in April.

R43 R44 Other reports with more coverage say the following:

[quote] According to the report, Flor will not have to pay for the majority of the charges because he has Medicare, which will foot the cost of most if not all of his COVID-19 treatment.

[quote] Flor will have to pay for little of the charges — including his Medicare Advantage policy's $6,000 out-of-pocket charges — due to $100 billion set aside by Congress to help hospitals and insurance companies offset the costs of COVID-19.

The U.S. Army tested a cohort of 640 new recruits and instructors for COVID-19 upon arrival at Fort Benning, Ga. All but four tested negative. The four COVID-positive recruits were isolated and treated, and all recruits entered a 14-day monitoring period.

After the 14-day monitoring period, training operations began with COVID-19 prevention measures in place including masks and social distancing. Eight days after the end of the 14-day monitoring period, one recruit reported to the chain of command with COVID-19 symptoms. All 640 recruits were retested – and this time, 142 of them retested positive.

Nevada gaming commission just ruled again that masks are not mandatory in Casinos. The Governor has a press conference later today and we'll what he has to say.

R47 OMG, and they're going to reopen colleges.

We have three colleges in my area. One of them announced about ten days ago that they were reopening in mid August as they normally would do.

I'm curious to see how long that lasts store they realize the error of there ways. Our county is still in the yellow zone, while most of the state is in the green phase.

^^^ Yes, I Know ......

THEIR, not THERE

STORE = UNTIL

I could understand the first mistake r51, it is common enough.

But how in hell did "until" become "store"?

I wonder if those recruits were still bunking in one big barracks? You can't wear a mask while you sleep.

Once again, IHME raises its number of projected deaths -- to 201,000 by Oct. 1. They're projecting a huge spike in deaths in September, reaching 1,421 deaths a day by Oct. 1. Of course, these numbers are just guesses and will keep changing, but still ...

R52

M-O-O-N

That spells " your mean!"

ABC World News:

Cases rising in eighteen states

Tulsa no longer wants to host Trump's rally.

Trump's response" [italic] They are trying to Covid shame me!

I haven't been following these threads since #36. Can someone please summarize?

[quote]Can someone please summarize?

Newp.

Double newp.

Ahhh Tulsa, Oklahoma, didn’t you realize everything Trump touches dies? And now he is going to touch you.

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👥 ELDER ABUSE AWARENESSES DAY

😃 SMILE POWER DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 8,107,443

DEATHS: 438,580

CRITICAL: 54,577

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 2,282,546

DEATHS: 118,279

CRITICAL: 16,712

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Guess who got Covid-19? A GOP congressman who didn't wear a mask

"If we stop testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any,” Trump said during a White House event highlighting administration actions to help senior citizens.

I give up.

R58, the good news is we got rid of the Hillary conspiracy theorist for good.

and it’s been running pretty smooth since then.

Hong Kong tests salmon samples following Beijing food market coronavirus outbreak

Hong Kong’s Center for Food Safety (CFS) has taken salmon samples from import and wholesale levels for testing as a precaution following a coronavirus outbreak at a wholesale market in China, according to a Hong Kong government press release.

A cluster of coronavirus cases emerged in Beijing, which have been linked to Xinfadi wholesale food market in the Chinese capital. In addition to seafood, the agricultural wholesale market sells meat, fruits and vegetables.

A market official told state media Friday that traces of the virus were found in multiple environmental samples taken from the market, including chopping boards used to chop imported salmon, prompting supermarkets and restaurants in the city to pull the fish off of their shelves and menus. The market was shut on Saturday.

According to the press release, CFS said in light of “recent media reports that the novel coronavirus was detected on chopping boards used for cutting salmon during a COVID-19 case investigation in Beijing, the CFS has taken immediate follow-up action to understand the incident.”

CFS also reminded the public to maintain personal, food and environmental hygiene at all times, and to thoroughly cook food, according to the press statement.

The statement cited a CFS spokesperson saying, "According to current scientific information, there is no evidence indicating that human can be infected by the novel coronavirus via food (including aquatic products).”

The spokesperson went on to say, “In addition, the World Health Organization and global food safety assessment authorities consider that it is unlikely that the novel coronavirus can be transmitted to human via food. Nevertheless, given that raw or undercooked aquatic products are high-risk, if they are uncooked or underheated, consumption of food contaminated with bacteria or viruses may cause food poisoning. For the sake of prudence, the CFS has taken samples of imported salmon for testing as a precautionary measure."

Xinfadi market makes up about 80% of Beijing’s entire farm produce supply, and 18,00 tons of vegetables and 20,000 tons of fruits are at the market every day, according to Chinese state-run media organization CGTN.

CNN-United Airlines will temporarily ban passengers not wearing masks

United Airlines says that starting Thursday, passengers who do not wear a mask in flight will be banned — at least temporarily — from flying with the carrier, pending a “comprehensive incident review” and subject to some exceptions. Flight attendants will warn passengers who don’t comply and offer them a mask. If further de-escalation is unsuccessful, the flight attendant will file a report after the flight reaches its destination. After a review, the passenger could be placed on an “internal travel restriction list” and unable to fly “for a duration of time to be determined.”

United sent out an internal memo to employees on Monday evening laying out the new guidelines, ratcheted up from an initial pandemic policy of keeping passengers who refuse masks from boarding and flight attendants “strongly encouraging” passengers to wear masks in flight.

The world’s third largest airline says passengers who are eating or drinking do not need to wear a mask as well as those with certain medical conditions or small children.

cnn-Brazil reports more than 20,000 new coronavirus cases

The Brazilian health ministry reported at least 20,647 new cases of novel coronavirus on Monday, bringing the country’s total to at least 888,271.

Brazil also recorded at least 627 new Covid-19 deaths over the past 24 hours, bringing the country’s death toll to at least 43,959, according to the health ministry.

Monday also marks one month that Brazil has been without a health minister. The ministry has been led on an interim basis following the May 15 resignation of Nelson Teich.

cnn-Imperial College London begins human trials of UK government-funded Covid-19 vaccine

Researchers at Imperial College London will begin human trials of a UK government-funded Covid-19 vaccine this week, the UK Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy said in a statement.

Beginning this week, 300 healthy human participants between the ages of 18 and 70 will receive two doses of the vaccine. The vaccine was already shown to be safe and effective in animal trials and "has undergone rigorous pre-clinical safety tests," according to the government statement.

"If the vaccine shows a promising immune response, then larger Phase III trials would be planned to begin later in the year with around 6,000 healthy volunteers to test its effectiveness," the statement said. "Ultimately, the researchers hope that if clinical trials are successful, the vaccine could provide protection against COVID-19 both in the UK and around the world."

The vaccine involves a "new approach" that uses synthetic strands of genetic code, called RNA, which are based on the virus' genetic material. When injected, the vaccine prompts a person's muscle cells to produce virus proteins.

"The trials will be the first test of a new self-amplifying RNA technology, which has the potential to revolutionise vaccine development and enable scientists to respond more quickly to emerging diseases," the statement said.

The UK government has contributed $51.4 million (41 million pounds) towards the Imperial College London vaccine development, and another $6.3 million (5 million pounds) has been donated by members of the public.

Oxford University is also working on a vaccine in partnership with UK-based global biopharmaceutical company AstraZeneca. In May, Oxford University announced that their vaccine research moved to the second phase of human trials, which involves 10,260 participants, including a small number of older adults and children.

cnn--The Oscars have been delayed until April 2021

Film's biggest night is being rescheduled for the first time in 40 years due to the coronavirus pandemic.

The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences announced on Monday that the 93rd Oscars will no longer take place on February 28 as planned.

Instead, the board of governors said the show will take place on April 25, 2021.

"For over a century, movies have played an important role in comforting, inspiring, and entertaining us during the darkest of times. They certainly have this year. Our hope, in extending the eligibility period and our Awards date, is to provide the flexibility filmmakers need to finish and release their films without being penalized for something beyond anyone's control," said Academy President David Rubin and Academy CEO Dawn Hudson in a joint statement.

In addition to the delay, the Academy agreed to extend the eligibility window for films, which usually corresponds to the calendar year. For the 2021 Oscars, the new window will be extended until February 28, 2021.

WaPo: People with chronic health conditions such as heart disease and diabetes were hospitalized 6x more often than otherwise healthy individuals infected with the coronavirus during the first four months of the pandemic, and they died 12x more often.

On a granular level, Riverside County (Palm Springs is in RC) recorded 795 new cases over the weekend. Our temps have been in the 100-111 range. So much for hot summers to kill the beast.

You know when they finally make the definitive Oscar bait movie about Covid 19, it's still not going to be half as good as Contagion,

[quote] Once again, IHME raises its number of projected deaths -- to 201,000 by Oct. 1.

Sanjay Gupta: “Keep in mind that in April IMHE said we’d have 60,000 deaths by mid-June.” We almost doubled that projection.

Here's a graph of Ohio daily deaths to date. The website Cleveland.com adjusts the daily death reports by adjusting the deaths to the actual date of death. The result is a graph that is much smoother then the Worldometer graph of Ohio deaths that show fluctuations based on reporting activity, such as low deaths each weekend because not everyone is filing reports on the weekend.

The graph is very encouraging, except for the fact that deaths lag a few weeks after infections. So will opening up ruin this downward trend or not?

Everything is being tracked and graphed, so we'll see soon enough.

I really don't think I will be interested in films about Corona for a long time..

Too bad that gay men still cannot donate.

Red Cross will be doing antibody testing on blood donations for a while.

[quote] By 3 AM she had a fever and was struggling to breath.

Oh, dear.

More fear mongering:

[quote]WaPo: People with chronic health conditions such as heart disease and diabetes were hospitalized 6x more often than otherwise healthy individuals infected with the coronavirus during the first four months of the pandemic, and they died 12x more often.

Of course they neglect to report that 80% of people age 75+ have at least one chronic health condition. And yes.....old people die.

I hope some rich Democrats have purchased a majority of the tix to Trump's rally. Then he'd be speaking to about 1000 people instead of a packed arena. Some flunky would then have to find footage of an Obama rally and use that as footage of Trump's rally. One eagle-eyed Twitter user will spy an a "Obama for President" sign and release it to the news media. Trump will claim he was hacked but won't release details of HOW the supposed hacking occurred.

[quote]I hope some rich Democrats have purchased a majority of the tix to Trump's rally.

Since over 800,000 tickets have been sold for a venue that holds about 19,000, I think we can safely assume this will not occur.

The tickets are free and most people reserving them are leftwingers named Dick Hurtz and Mike Hunt.

WaPo 6/16/20

Generic steroid reduces deaths by one-third among patients with severe covid-19, study says

[quote] A steroid used to lower inflammation for other illnesses has been linked to decreasing mortality rates in severe cases of the coronavirus, a new clinical trial has found.

[quote] Low doses of dexamethasone decreased death rates by nearly a third in hospitalized patients with serious respiratory complications from covid-19, according to scientists involved in the clinical trial in Britain.

[quote] The drug is the first to improve survival for covid-19-afflicted patients, said Peter Horby, one of the chief investigators for the trial.

[quote] “The survival benefit is clear and large in those patients who are sick enough to require oxygen treatment, so dexamethasone should now become standard of care in these patients,” he said in a statement. “Dexamethasone is inexpensive, on the shelf, and can be used immediately to save lives worldwide.”

The Guardian: Authorities in Beijing have described the city’s coronavirus outbreak as “extremely severe” as dozens more cases emerged and travel from the city was curtailed.

Additional neighbourhoods were fenced off on Tuesday, with security checkpoints set up at residential compounds, and high-risk people – such as close contacts of people who test positive – prevented from leaving the city.

More than 20 neighbourhoods in the Chinese capital have now been designated medium risk, which means authorities can impose stricter restrictions on the movement of people and cars and can carry out temperature checks. Health authorities said sealed-off residences and people in quarantine would have food and medicine delivered to them.

@NIH -Cover smart. Do your part. Slow the spread of #COVID19. This video from our federal friends at @NIST shows the way that air flows out from our lungs when we breathe and cough, and how that flow changes when wearing a face covering.

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R83 and R84, thanks for the info.

r6 is typing from 1961.

He obviously doesn't know Vegas has been a children's theme park for 30 or 40 years now.

Bloomberg: Beijing to shut all schools amid Covid-19 resurgence.

R91: Shocked. That was a dumb idea anyway.

Reuters:

Steroid dexamethasone reduces deaths among patients with severe COVID-19 - trial shows

Dr. Osterholm: We Are Still In This Thing For Months | Morning Joe | MSNBC

"Of course they neglect to report that 80% of people age 75+ have at least one chronic health condition. And yes.....old people die."

Most people who die from the flu are old but you right-wingers who bitch about "fear mongering" will still say it's no worse than the flu

[quote]"Of course they neglect to report that 80% of people age 75+ have at least one chronic health condition. And yes.....old people die."

Of course you neglect to report that 60% of all Americans have at least one chronic health condition -- including about 25% of children aged 2 to 8 years old.

After several days of around 400 deaths, India is reporting +1500 deaths so far today according to Worldometer. We already knew that the situation was much worse than reported based on the low number of tests.

Is that the same thing as prednisone?

r84, let's hope!

That rally is going to be canceled. I don’t believe they are even reserving the space.

This is a troll move. Ain’t gonna happen.

R90 is typing from 1991. Vegas ceased being a family destination for decades. Not to say they don't bring families but it's no longer a family friendly destination.

The second the protests started, the shutdown ended. You can't do it again.

Woman and 15 of her friends test positive for the coronavirus after a night out at an Irish pub

Less than two weeks after reopening, Las Vegas records its largest single day increase of cases. I've been wearing masks, social distancing, etc. but it gives me zero satisfaction to see this. I wonder how many cases are from workers who are exposed to guests who don't wear masks all shift long.

+1967 deaths in India now. What the fuck is going on?

The number of new daily coronavirus cases reported by Florida health officials jumped by another record high on Tuesday morning with 2,783 confirmed cases reported in the last 24 hours. The six highest daily increases in Florida have come in the last week.

Gov. Ron DeSantis last week said the upward trend in confirmed cases is mostly a reflection of more testing being conducted combined with some spikes in some agriculture communities — but the number of tests conducted daily peaked three weeks ago and the percentage of positive tests is now over 6%, more than double the rate of 2.3% in late May.

De Santis lied, people died

Is it me or are they trying to kill all of us? It’s certainly easier than a gas chamber.

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JUNE 16 ~ 2:00 PM EST

🚶 INTERNATIONAL DAY OF THE AFRICAN CHILD

🌽🍅 FRESH VEGGIE DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 8,195,029

DEATHS: 443,238

CRITICAL: 54,337

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 2,194,602

DEATHS: 118,703

CRITICAL: 16,477

📊 STATS : WORLDOMETER.COM

I don't think they're trying to kill all of us. They simply don't care if all of us die -- or at least, two million or so of us. They made that calculation a month or so ago.

Newsweek:

Flushing Toilet with Lid up Could Spread COVID-19, Study Suggests

[quote]Flushing Toilet with Lid up Could Spread COVID-19, Study Suggests

This was theorized back in March. Avoid public restrooms at all costs.

TIME:

Fired Florida Data Scientist Creates Competing COVID-19 Tracking Site and Suggests State Is Hiding Important Information

Politico:

Ilhan Omar's father dies from Covid-19

What about farting ?

Are we safe as long as the offender keeps his pants on ?

One of these things is not like the others.

There may be new cases but the fatality rate is very low. I still don’t know anyone that has had it and I live in a big city. USA is 300,000,000 and the deaths are 118,000. Most of those are 80+ from nursing homes. I can’t see how this is everyone dying.

No one said "everyone" is dying. But it's a little hypocritical for Republicans to say 120,000 deaths isn't that many when they freaked out over September 11th.

[quote]I still don’t know anyone that has had it and I live in a big city. USA is 300,000,000 and the deaths are 118,000. I can’t see how this is everyone dying.

The highest annual death rate from AIDS in America was 41,699, just one-third of the people that COVID has killed in three months. Guess AIDS wasn't that big a deal.

These are human beings.

Since when do we not care that they does? M What if it was you?

To sit there knowing that your national government let you die must be an awful feeling. I can’t go there.

But this is so evil. No words can describe the level of depravity.

If it were me I wouldn’t get it, R120.

Dear old Glenn, on the other hand...

I apologize if this question has already been addressed.

For our DL medical professionals, what is the policy on harvesting donor organs from an individual who has died as a direct result of Corona?

I would assume that it would be absolutely out of the question, as we know so little about the disease, but one never knows how a hospital would view this.

R123 Your assumption is correct, and actually, it's out of the question for any infectious disease.

R116. Thank you for this. But the information from Spain is completely false! They have reported 0 or minimal deaths for a few weeks now due to a change in their reporting. Although they said that they would update the information once a week, it hasn't happened yet. Meanwhile, they are devoting full attention to the reopening of their borders. How convenient!

Two women from the UK brought COVID back to New Zealand.

[quote]Are we safe as long as the offender keeps his pants on ?

Only if he is wearing underwear.

[quote]But it's a little hypocritical for Republicans to say 120,000 deaths isn't that many when they freaked out over September 11th.

But it's a little hypocritical for Republicans to say 120,000 deaths isn't that many when they freaked out over Benghazi.

Reuters:

Record spike in new coronavirus cases reported in 6 U.S. states as reopening accelerates

Mike Pence penned an OpEd for the Wall Street Journal today. Among the gems contained therein:

"Thanks to the leadership of President Trump and the courage and compassion of the American people, our public health system is far stronger than it was four months ago, and we are winning the fight against the invisible enemy."

"(President Trump) rallied the American people to embrace social-distancing guidelines."

"The media has tried to scare the American people every step of the way, and these grim predictions of a second wave are no different."

"We've slowed the spread, we've cared for the most vulnerable, we've saved lives, and we've created a solid foundation for whatever challenges we may face in the future. That's a cause for celebration, not the media's fear mongering."

If he somehow ends up as POTUS after the dickhead has to resign “for health reasons” then I hope he’s tortured and tarred as the worst lame duck in presidential history.

If he somehow ends up as POTUS after the dickhead has to resign “for health reasons” then I hope he’s tortured and tarred as the worst lame duck in presidential history.

How many people die every year due to amusement park accidents?

About four a year, R133. Why do ask?

Ok, so they are going the “it’s just more testing” route. Here’s how to combat that:

Focus on the number of bodies in the hospital.

Those are not going up or down based on testing.

As as far as I can tell, those are UP.

And dead bodies.

Count the number of bodies in the hospital and morgue.

Well r133 . . . . . . . .

🎠 At least he died riding [italic] The Big One

Go Texas!

+4,413

Amid death threats and anger, 7 Calif. health officials have quit since pandemic began

Multiple California health officials have left their jobs amid anger, threats and personal attacks in response to health orders through the coronavirus pandemic.

Last week Orange County health director Dr. Nichole Quick unexpectedly resigned after receiving personal threats in a public meeting, joining a wave of medical officials leaving their posts under unprecedented pressure and criticism.

Quick, who had been working 80-hour weeks through the crisis, was met with a banner depicting her as a Nazi in a public meeting, and protests were held outside her home, reported the Associated Press. She had recently issued an order that included the requirement that residents wear masks to try to limit the spread of the virus as the county began reopening more businesses. A day later, the Orange County sheriff said he wouldn't enforce the ruling.

Quick became the seventh senior health official to resign in California since the pandemic began. Some officials have been given security details and sheriff's escorts in response to the threats in counties across the state.

. . .

Health officials' jobs, during the largest pandemic in modern history, have been made even tougher by the politicization of mask wearing and stay-at-home mandates as they try to curtail the number of COVID-19 deaths across the country.

more at link

[quote]The highest annual death rate from AIDS in America was 41,699, just one-third of the people that COVID has killed in three months. Guess AIDS wasn't that big a deal.

What a ridiculous comparison. Young men in the prime of life were dropping dead of AIDS. Corona deaths are overwhelmingly people 80+ who, more often the not, already have multiple co-morbidities. Death is going to happen to them at a high rate anyway......without Covid. Newsflash---old people die. Every day.

r139 thinks the victims deserved to die because they were old. Bill O'Reilly said something similar.

[quote]I still don’t know anyone that has had it and I live in a big city.

Good for you. I know 9 people who've had it, 4 of whom have died.

[quote] Quick, who had been working 80-hour weeks through the crisis, was met with a banner depicting her as a Nazi in a public meeting.

The asshats with the Nazi banner must have skipped studying the subject in school. If Quick were a Nazi, instead of trying to protect lives, she'd have ordered that anyone with COVID over a certain age or having some underlying medical condition be summarily shipped-off to a detention center in lock-down isolation and just left there to die, deeming them not worthy of expending medical resources on them.

R138 Goodness I feel sorry of the health workers. Most of them knew what was coming and having to deal with that stupid shit people dish out. Also, many of them are in firing line of the fucking virus. I would imagine thousands have died across the planet who work in healthcare from doctors to the people who clean hospitals.

When the US reaches 3,280,000, that is 1% of our population. The numbers now are so high that it helps to put it in context.

This is so outrageous.

Can anyone remember what normal was like?

We are being psyc-opted. This is some deep hard core mass brainwashing. It’s extremely disorienting.

Look at pictures from 5 and 10 years ago.

We are in a different reality.

What are you talking about R145? Five to ten years ago, what? We are in a temporarily insane situation but it is not unprecedented. Happened a hundred years ago. It's happening now. Life will go back to normal. Maybe even a better normal.

There's a lot going on today with New Zealand's two new cases.

A bit of background: Two NZ-citizen sisters planning to visit a dying parent flew into Auckland from the UK via Doha and Brisbane and went into fourteen days of managed isolation at the Novotel in Ellerslie. (I have a friend in managed isolation at another hotel and I'm heading there myself in a few days, hence the obnoxious length of this post.)

Apparently the one who turned out to be symptomatic ticked the 'no' boxes on the symptom/exposure questionnaire and rather than the detailed verbal questioning meant to take place after the written part she was simply asked if she felt okay. It turns out she did have symptoms which she withheld, later attributing them to a preexisting condition. Great.

Off they go to the hotel. On day six they were granted a compassionate exemption and were free to go. This is where it starts getting messy. My friend has had regular temperature checks as well as a nasal swab on day two; she'll have another before she'd released. That is the protocol. Somehow, these two were able to leave the hotel simply by promising to be tested when they got to Wellington.

They claim to have driven straight through from AKL to Wellington without stopping, but that's a nine-hour drive. I suppose those with bladders of steel and an extremely fuel-efficient car could do it, but how likely is that? I've certainly never done it without at least one stop. And just now, as I was writing this, it has been confirmed that they got lost in Auckland and friends (not the car's owners, who are still more personal contacts) drove out to meet them and help get them back on track. There were already 320+ close contacts being traced from the period before their long drive.

And now here comes the owner of the gym where one of the helpers works out...

[quote]Woodhouse claimed that after getting assistance while lost, the two women gave their helpers a "kiss and a cuddle", Parliament was told.

[quote]In her Facebook post, Alkin said the gym member attended a "hands-on" training the day after the "kiss and cuddle".

[quote]"The member had a training session at the gym on Tuesday morning and stayed back for group classes," Alkin posted.

[quote]"Fortunate enough we still have the 2m mark down in our class studio, however my training sessions was hands on."

[quote]those with bladders of steel

Pics please.

R147 I'm Australian. Firstly thank you for your post. Secondly let me say how sorry I am to hear this has happened in NZ with all the effort that your country has put into eliminating the virus.

This is a major set-back for NZ and honestly that pair should be prosecuted for what they have done. They have essentially placed the lives of over 5 million people at risk.

I know from our experiences in Australia that processes and procedures to keep the virus at bay don't always work and the best lesson that Governments can take from these are to move on and learn from them to ensure they don't happen again.

Personally I feel the 'compassionate grounds' for entry into NZ and Oz need to stop. You simply can't trust some people and it only takes one person to ruin it for everybody else. I remember the reason Australia started making all returning citizens in hotel quarantine was because when police checks were undertaken too many people were not obeying the rules and were out and about.

Its always the small minority that ruin things for the majority. Fucking bitches.

[quote]Young men in the prime of life were dropping dead of AIDS. Corona deaths are overwhelmingly people 80+ who, more often the not, already have multiple co-morbidities. Newsflash---old people die.

Yeah, most people were just as cavalier about gay men dying back then as you are about old people dying today.

I’m seriously contemplating staying mostly quarantined until there’s a vaccine. My small college town is bringing back students for fall semester, and I believe it’s going to get bad.

Although given the stupidity of a large portion of the populace, it’s going to get us all at some point. Perhaps I’m only ensuring no one will be left to treat me when I finally do get it.

Pre-coffee Mary!

Arizona surpasses Peru and Brazil in current cases per capita. Madrid and NYC were higher at their peaks but AZ has passed Lombardy, Italy at its peak. AZ recorded record cases, record positivity percentage, record hospitalizations and record ICU use yesterday.

What exactly is this bitch's idea of a "Kiss & Cuddle" with a stranger?

The lying whore was probably doing The Pekapeka Bat Mating Dance.

That person who lied on the form at the airport, is there a penalty for lying? I know in Singapore, you can get fined heavily and/or get jail time.

What a selfish cunt and now the many will be affected, I hope nobody dies from the cunt's lies.

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JUNE 17 ~ 11:00 AM EST

🌐 INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST HOMOPHOBIA, TRANSPHOBIA, & BIPHOBIA

🍒 NATIONAL CHERRY TART DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 8,307,670

DEATHS: 447,105

CRITICAL: 54,533

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 2,212,447

DEATHS: 119,117

CRITICAL: 16,695

📊 STATS : WORLDOMETER.COM

R147 Fucking entitled British cunts. They really are the world's worst tourists.

Morongo Casino workers say they're being lied to by management and also claim the number of workers who have tested positive is higher than they publicly claim because they know them.

Is Gussie in Merrily based on Fran Weissler? Asking for a friend.

Oops, sorry, wrong thread.

🙊 Everybody Lies

Examiner:

Pence says second-wave fears are overblown as hospitalizations rise in some states

The Hill:

Warren slams Pence's coronavirus remarks: As 'pathetic' as they are 'reckless'

WaPo talks Coronvirus and Obesity (pay attention, Donald Trump)

[quote] Jennifer Lighter, a hospital epidemiologist at NYU Langone, found that obesity was the No. 1 risk factor in her hospital system among those younger than 60. Patients with a body mass index between 30 and 34 — obese under CDC definitions — were two times as likely to be admitted to the ICU than patients with a BMI under 30. Those with a BMI of 35 and over were three times more likely to die than those with a healthy BMI.

In the same article, WaPo delivers a general "Fuck You" to its older readership by stating the obvious as if it's sage advice:

[quote] In the broadest sense, the risk of a bad outcome is pretty clear. It’s better to be young and healthy if the coronavirus pays a visit.

ElizBeth Warren is looking younger and refreshed. I think she got a makeover. She looks great.

🤔 Everyone's an expert on Corona, except when it comes to common sense.

The US doesn't care about its citizens because down the road, there will be less money to dole out as far as social services: welfare, medicaid/medicare, social security, unemployment and tax returns. Meanwhile, drug companies are going to be set to clean up as new complications will arise years down the road from this disease.

Argh sorry for the double use of, "down the road".

Infection Rates, Hospitalizations Rise As States Begin Reopening | Morning Joe | MSNBC

Live updates: Nine states hit record highs for covid-19 cases as Pence calls fear of a second wave ‘overblown’

"Second Wave"? I don't think we're finished with the first wave.

CNN-New York reports 17 coronavirus deaths — "lowest number" since pandemic started, governor says

CNN-New York reports 17 coronavirus deaths — "lowest number" since pandemic started, governor says

cnn-More than 1 million requests have been made to attend Trump's rally, Oklahoma governor says

Wow, according to Worldometer, yesterday was the highest number of new cases since the pandemic began and the deaths almost doubled to 6500 from the day before, the highest day since May 6th.

Don’t mess with Texas or y’all will get the Covid.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that this virus isn't going away any time in the near future.

Where can a nice guy like me with a big trust fund and sizemeat get some ass nowadays?

R173, I don't doubt the number is high but I also think it's an attempt by the Governor to be able to move the rally outdoors, which would be safer. Note, I said safer, not safe. If Trump thinks there are a million people who want to attend his rally, he will want it in a larger place.

Anywhere you like r177.

The American Dream ............

Trump gave a rally and nobody came.

🕺 Pick up or delivery, r177 ?

I'm not sure if anyone has yet posted Shruti Advani's article on being stuck in lockdown in Kensington but it certainly puts hangs into perspective...

things, not hangs, and the link is all fucked up because of the FT paywall. Can anyone with an account post the full story?

The administration has moved on to reelection and left all the sick and dying to fend for themselves.

[quote]cnn-More than 1 million requests have been made to attend Trump's rally, Oklahoma governor says

But how are the trolls who are demanding all those tickets gonna get time off to attend - let alone fly to the U.S. from Russia and China?

About surfaces : I heard on French TV today an epidemiologist say they did a study: they put one million "units" (?) of COVID-19 on a surface at a continuous temperature of 40°C (104°F). After ten days, 250 000 of those units were still active. For comparison, influenza dies in the same conditions after two hours. He said it's the most stable and resistant virus after SARS I. He also reiterated that surfaces are most likely the culprit for most deaths in nursing homes (trays, ramps etc)

Fauci:

Fauci said he personally would choose not to attend such an event due to the risk of contracting coronavirus. And he warned that talk of whether the US was now experiencing a second wave of Covid-19 cases was premature.“We are seeing infections to a greater degree than they had previously seen in certain states, including states in the south-west and in the south,” Fauci told the Daily Beast.

“I don’t like to talk about a second wave right now, because we haven’t gotten out of our first wave.”Vice-President Mike Pence has claimed the US has “slowed the spread”, and both Pence and the president have claimed the worrying increase in coronavirus cases is due to more testing. Fauci said this was not true. “When you look at the number of hospitalizations, and you see some of the states say, ‘Oh my goodness, I’m having more hospitalizations than I had before,’ that cannot be due to increase in testing. That has to be due to increase in real cases,” he told the Globe.

[quote]cnn-More than 1 million requests have been made to attend Trump's rally, Oklahoma governor says

There was a Twitter campaign by anti-Trumpers to request tickets and then not show up. It would keep his supporters from getting tickets and then leave the rally half empty.

Woman tests positive for coronavirus months after recovering

Meredith McKee said she beat the virus, even donating plasma twice, before she was admitted again Friday to Texas Health Presbyterian in Dallas, news station DFW-TV reported.

“I was floored when it was positive,” McKee said of her COVID-19 test results.

Four months ago, during her first spell with the illness, McKee experienced “clear and obvious” symptoms, the outlet reported.

“I had a dry cough like you would not believe. It would not stop,” McKee said.

She eventually beat the virus and tested positive for antibodies, which suggested that she had built up some immunity to the illness.

But last week, McKee went with high blood pressure and a headache to the hospital, where she tested positive again for the virus.

McKee said her doctors believe the virus became dormant after her first round and then re-emerged.

Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert at Vanderbilt University Medical Center in Nashville, said a second positive result could mean that the virus is taking a long time to leave the body, the outlet reported.

“It’s possible that people could shed remnants of the virus for some period of time. That doesn’t mean anything is wrong with them or that they are contagious,” Schaffner told the outlet.

McKee said she’s struggling with the possibility that she exposed others unknowingly to the virus.

“I’m mortified and I’m seriously devastated,” McKee told the outlet.

Prince Charles has not fully regained sense of taste, smell after coronavirus

Does that mean sex with Camilla isn't as appetizing?

I'm sure things will get much better once the Disney Parks open (rolls eyes).

Because, you know, SO many people just 'have' to go to Disneyland/world.

And you know majority of them won't be following any of the implemented rules.

Whether it is reinfection or reactivation that is scary bad news R189.

It has to be reactivation, not reinfection. It’s highly unlikely that there can be reinfection so soon. Viruses apparently don’t work like that.

R170 There won't be a second wave, the first one will just continue unabated.

More proof that Nobody Knows Nothin' About The Corona.

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JUNE 17 ~ 7:30 PM EST

🌐 INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST HOMOPHOBIA, TRANSPHOBIA, AND BIPHOBIA

🍒 NATIONAL CHERRY TART DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 8,389,495

DEATHS: 450,397

CRITICAL: 54,499

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 2,233,111

DEATHS: 119,930

CRITICAL: 16,653

📊 STATS : WORLDOMETER.COM

[quote] Viruses apparently don’t work like that.

At this point, WHO doesn't think there's enough evidence to guarantee immunity or subsequent re-infection.

[quote]It has to be reactivation, not reinfection.

It may be that some people don't completely eradicate the virus, and their virus levels wax and wane over time. It may be that nobody completely eradicates it and it retreats to hidden reservoirs in the body only to emerge six months or five years or 20 years later to wreak havoc. Almost nothing's off the table at this point.

Sorry, R199, but your theory sounds to me like the plot of a science fiction film.

R157, mmmm yum, Jake Ingrassia. I stopped in at Morango to get gas and was curious to see how many gamblers they might have. One look and I hightailed out of there lickty split. I think it is a BIG mistake to open all the many casinos in the Coachella Valley. Very disconcerting. The I10 Freeway between LA and Phoenix is one long hotspot for infections.

Well, the herpes virus doesn't go away.

[quote]Sorry, [R199], but your theory sounds to me like the plot of a science fiction film.

And a virus that hides in the brain to avoid treatment therapies and prepares for resurgence when the patient stops the procedure doesn't?

R199 that the plot of herpes zoster aka chicken Pox aka shingles decades later.

And R194 antibody immunity from cold Coronaviruses only lasts 3 to 6 months (original SARS immunity is about three years though)

I am a huge hoper for passport immunity, but if you know about one virus, you know about one virus.

UGH! Now, it is like herpes with the dormant - reactivation shit! This virus never ends😷😱

Before we all freak out though, that woman could be some sort of atypical outlier in general,

Or she could be suffering from a severely delayed dead count bounce and this is an immune reaction. I’d be interested to learn if she still has antibodies and what her cytokine levels look like.

r200, ever heard of Chicken Pox/Shingles and Herpes?

It will be beyond interesting to see where we stand in January 2021.

Dead cat bounce, not dead count bounce

R138, the Contra Costa County (Walnut Creek, Concord) Health Officer had protesters in front of his house in the last couple of days. Front and center were two hags very infamous in the antivaxxer community. (This was related by another health official I know).

Another new case according to Ashley Bloomfield just now. It's a man in his sixties who flew in on June 13th and had been in quarantine at the Jet Park Hotel.

It's a live press conference so I don't have a link yet.

Oops. That was meant for the New Zealand thread.

Well-wriiten article from "The Scientist: on all the factors involved with determining immunity.

While only about 5% of the deaths are in people under 50, there are many people under 50 who have experienced serious and ongoing effects from testing positive. Kidney problems, heart issues, breathing issues, neurological problems, GI issues, blood clots - sometimes many weeks / months after the initial positive test. It seems to attack all systems and while some people get mild cases and / or fully recover, it will be interesting to see what % have had enduring effects

“interesting”

I think you mean “frightening”

It is indeed frightening. This thing attacks the neurological system as well as the respiratory system.

@sfchronicle California health departments reported 4,134 new cases as of Wednesday evening, with four counties still yet to report. The state’s previous single-day high was 3,683 cases last Friday.

R216, I know a medical researcher in her forties who recovered from COVID-19 but, months later, says that it affected her cognitively. She feels that she’s always in a fog.

Tell her to get to the church.

BBC-At least another 130,000 people worldwide have died during the coronavirus pandemic on top of 440,000 officially recorded deaths from the virus, according to BBC research. A review of preliminary mortality data from 27 countries shows that in many places the number of overall deaths during the pandemic has been higher than normal, even when accounting for the virus. These so-called "excess deaths", the number of deaths above the average, suggest the human impact of the pandemic far exceeds the official figures reported by governments around the world.

Anyone know if this true.

[quote]As someone from / living in Alabama the most worrisome thing for me is how hospitals decide who is denied care in crisis mode. As of March the state said the those with "moderate to severe mental retardation" or "AIDS" are the ones who get nixed from ICU first. Which idk seems pretty problematic when its folks with diabetes, hypertension, and COPD that are most likely to die. If they are going to have a crisis intervention guide it needs to reflect the comorbidity data we have.

Sounds suspiciously like those death panels I've heard about.

[quote]the those with "moderate to severe mental retardation" or "AIDS" are the ones who get nixed from ICU first.

Sounds so line with their ideology. If true, there's probably other criteria, too. Like race, disability, age, insurance status, religious affiliation, etc.

As new coronavirus cases surge in several states across the American South and West, the hardest-hit areas are now “on the cusp of losing control,” former Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb told CNBC on Thursday. "Arizona, Houston, Austin, parts of Florida certainly look very concerning right now.”

Gottlieb said he’s still concerned about “the lack of political will” for officials to continue to implement proven interventions like social distancing and mask wearing.

“I’m more concerned than I was three weeks ago heading into the fall,” he said. “Unless we get comfortable taking some common sense measures, where we can, some limited measures, we’re going to be stuck with a lot more spread.”

A Republican sheriff in Arizona who said he would not enforce the state’s emergency coronavirus orders has come down with COVID-19.

Pinal County Sheriff Mark Lamb announced on Facebook on Wednesday that he had tested positive, likely from attending a campaign event on Saturday. He says he found out when he was called on Tuesday to meet with President Trump at the White House and was screened for the virus.

[quote]parts of Florida certainly look very concerning right now.”

Also, please visit Disney World and Universal Studios.

[quote]A Republican sheriff in Arizona who said he would not enforce the state’s emergency coronavirus orders has come down with COVID-19.

Well done, COVID.

Mark Lamb? More like Mark Sheep.

I'll admit it, I can't wait to see these red states come crawling for help to the Feds. They'd better get the same dismissive treatment that NY, PA, CA, etc did.

There was a women on The Today Show this morning. She and the majority of her friends (there were 19 in total) tested positive after a night at a bar. I can't remember the exact number but I'm pretty sure it was 9 or 10. No social distancing and no masks.

r230 I saw that too. "I mean, it was a regular Saturday night with friends". Unfortunately they probably will all have the "mild" version of it.

Over 120K deaths now in the US according to Worldometer. Twice as much as the idoit in charge was yapping about weeks ago

After Sweden's "herd immunity" experiment, just 6% of Swedes have antibodies.

CNBC: Sweden’s response has differed from others as the country’s leading epidemiologists said herd immunity could be reached without a full lockdown, opting for mainly voluntary measures. The 6% figure is lower than expected, “but not a lot lower,” Chief Epidemiologist Anders Tegnell said in a news conference.

Yes, true. Similar results in various antibody tests throughout Europe. The sad truth is only a fraction of the population has been infected. Even IF, there is any sort of benefit (which is also in question given reactivated and reinfected cases), MOST of the world is still incredibly vulnerable.

"A Republican sheriff in Arizona who said he would not enforce the state’s emergency coronavirus orders has come down with COVID-19."

LOL!!!!!

^^It is a shame he found out before he met with Trump.

r225 - Pinal County Sheriff Mark Lamb announced on Facebook on Wednesday that he had tested positive, likely from attending a campaign event on Saturday. He says he found out when he was called on Tuesday to meet with President Trump at the White House and was screened for the virus.

"Unfortunately, as a law enforcement official and elected leader, we do not have the luxury of staying home," Lamb wrote.

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Lamb said on Wednesday that he'll be self-quarantining for at least the next 14 days and has alerted the Pinal County Public Health Department after testing positive, "and they are working to track all those I came in contact with following the Saturday event."

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Over 200 people were infected at an Oregon church that held services in defiance of lockdown orders

R233 And whatever Sweden did, it certainly didn't work as it relates to "Death Per One Million Population." The country is right up there in the Top 10 at "500." Italy and Spain are just above Sweden at "571" and "580," respectively. France below them at "454."

[quote] Arizona surpasses Peru and Brazil in current cases per capita.

But I thought hot weather climates weren't affected by COVID?

Trump sat down with the Wall Street Journal yesterday for a wide-ranging interview. He told the WSJ that Covid testing is "overrated" and some Americans may be wearing masks to signal disapproval of him—not as a preventative measure. “I personally think testing is overrated, even though I created the greatest testing machine in history."

Testing is bad, mmmkay. It's better to bury our heads in the sand and pretend it doesn't exist. We don't need those pesky tests to remind us.

R241 He's a lunatic.

Is that why people who are supposed to go to the White House get tested? Like the dumbass Sheriff from Arizona above.

Nixon was sneaky. Reagan was evil. Bush was inept. Lots of awful leaders before them. But Trump is truly the Devil.

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JUNE 18 ~ 5:45 PM EST

💜 NATIONAL AUTISTIC AWARENESS DAY

🍥 INTERNATIONAL SUSHI DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 8,547,973

DEATHS: 454,960

CRITICAL: 54,591

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 2,257,210

DEATHS: 120,520

CRITICAL: 26,630

📊 STATS : WORLDOMETER.COM

😷 DON'T LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT !

Yesterday, Trump increased his estimate of the final COVID death toll, telling WSJ "we could be heading to a number that’s, you know, higher than 150,000 to 200,000."

His previous highest prediction was 110K, on May 8. That was up from 50K-60K in April.

And 0ish in February.

Welcoming Texas to the 100K club.

Florida's next.

R238, That was the church that took a case to the Oregon Supreme Court, under the guise of "religious freedom" and "Liberty". I live in the area, albeit the next county, and my partner and I are the only men wearing masks out here. Neighbors think this is a "plandemic". Our counties' hospitals have a total of 8 ICU beds for 80,000 people, and we're the 'rural healthcare' center.

Texas football.

Everything's bigger in Texas!

Goodness gracious!

Anderson is doing another one of his “Coronavirus Town Halls” tonight. He said they asked the White House if Anthony Fauci could appear. The WH said no. Then they asked if another scientist could be made available. No again. The virus can’t be a threat if you don’t tell people about the danger.

The Trump administration and its Republican enablers are going to go down in history as mass murderers.

[quote]Over 200 people were infected at an Oregon church that held services in defiance of lockdown orders

Every single one of them should be denied medical care.

And, I guess since testing is overrated, they can stop testing everyone that gets near Trump, right? The lack of logical follow-up questions in journalism anymore is ridiculous.

This really needs more explanation. Did the sick workers contaminate the fish and cutting boards with their hands? Or by breathing (why weren't they wearing masks, it's goddamned CHINA?) Could people really catch COVID from eating raw salmon? I have so many questions.

[quote] Among the patients who work at the Xinfadi market, most serve at seafood and aquatic product stalls, followed by the beef and mutton section, and patients from the seafood market showed symptoms earlier than others, Wu Zunyou, chief epidemiologist at the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, said at a daily briefing on Thursday. Low temperatures favorable to viral survival as well as high humidity might be possible explanations for why seafood markets could be a source of outbreaks based on a preliminary assessment, Wu said, cautioning that further investigation was necessary. China has halted imports from European salmon suppliers this week amid fears they may be linked to the recent outbreak in Beijing. Health officials have also warned against eating raw salmon after the virus was discovered on chopping boards used for imported salmon, although the origin of the outbreak is not known. Low standards of hygiene in wholesale food markets and vulnerabilities in its food supply chain need to be urgently addressed, a leading body of the ruling Communist Party said this week.

[quote] Anderson is doing another one of his “Coronavirus Town Halls” ...

Speaking of Anderson and coronavirus ... i wonder if he knows that he makes an appearance in the first moments of a newly-released FraternityX porn video called "Viral Seed."

The boys are wearing face masks while watching Cooper's report on the pandemic, when one guy begins to cough. Of course, this leads to all hell breaking loose and reason for another gang bang/orgy.

R256, why would a pandemic lead to an orgy? I just can’t believe the creative writing talents of porn makers these days.

R257 It appears they're all bored and frustrated in isolation. And since the one guy has coughed and spread his germs all around, this gets them mad, and they take the opportunity to spread other bodily fluids around. Something like that .. lol!

Haha, R258.

CNN is covering people waiting overnight for a Trump rally with no masks. Just wait until two weeks have passed.

It sounds like the campaign will have masks available after the people get inside, whenever that is. Tomorrow? In the mean time, people wait outside with no protection of any kind.

I think at this point, Trump thinks, "Après nous, le déluge.” He knows he’s going to lose, is pissed off, and wants to drag as many people as possible with him. He doesn’t care what happens after him.

When Hitler knew Germany was going to lose the war, he said Germany deserved to be destroyed because it didn’t bring him a victory. Trump may agree by the end.

[quote] CNN is covering people waiting overnight for a Trump rally with no masks.

Deplorables in Tulsa are dying to see Trump in person.

Tulsa weather for Saturday.

[quote] Thunderstorms likely in the morning. Then a chance of scattered thunderstorms in the afternoon. Storms may contain strong gusty winds. High 87F. Winds SSW at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 80%.

Trump is leading his own supporters to concentration camp showers.

R 3 : My heart goes out to you. I hope your Mom is ok.

Damn R250 I’ll play nurse to #31

From JoeMyGod and USA Today: “Florida added another 3,207 coronavirus cases Thursday, shattering the previous daily record as the state emerges as an alarming hot spot among places grappling with a resurgence of the disease.

Thursday’s new record topped the 2,783 cases reported just two days earlier by the Florida Department of Health, which had been the third record-setting total in less than a week.”

Isn’t Florida filled with the most vulnerable? Old folks? Why hasn’t their Governor taken immediate, emergency actions?

R265, and this is why Gov. Cuomo will institute a 14-day quarantine for people coming from FL into NYC. FL did the same thing when the NYC was heading up the mountain with COVID-19 cases.

[quote]Why hasn’t their Governor taken immediate, emergency actions?

They stockpiled Plaquenil. It'll be a'ight.

WaPo: Oklahoma has a big surge in new coronavirus cases, to a new daily high double the previous record-setting number two days earlier.

State health officials listed 450 new cases Thursday, compared to the previous one-day high of 229 reported Tuesday. The additional cases increased the state’s overall total 5.1% to 9,354 since the outbreak began.

Anyone else wondering about the Unemployment numbers for May being lower than expected? The News is reporting that over 1 million more claims have been filed in the last week. The News also showed people lined up in Kentucky, waiting to speak with someone. One woman filed in late February and STILL hasn't received any benefits.

I'm betting Red State officials were told not to process claims for 4-6 weeks so the numbers would look good for Trump.

If we stop reporting the numbers, we'd have fewer unemployed people.

We're a country without leadership.

[quote] Anderson is doing another one of his “Coronavirus Town Halls” tonight. He said they asked the White House if Anthony Fauci could appear. The WH said no. Then they asked if another scientist could be made available. No again. The virus can’t be a threat if you don’t tell people about the danger.

Back in the Thatcher era in Britain R253, the government banned Sinn Fein 's Gerry Adams from speaking on the airwaves. To get around it, the BBC would film him and then have his voice dubbed over by someone else ( Liam Neeson, in fact). If CNN had half a brain, they would interview Fauci off-camera , transcribe his answers , and then have someone appear on-camera as 'a souce close to the NIH' to repeat his words verbatim without saying it was Fauci.

Trump is a sociopath but how can his followers risk their own lives to follow him? Usually self preservation tops everything.

It the same for many cults

Mass psychosis. They've convinced themselves that the virus is nothing more than the flu and they have nothing to worry about.

[quote]Why hasn’t their Governor taken immediate, emergency actions?

DeSantis? Ron DeSantis? THIS Ron DeSantis?

I would laugh hysterically if I didn't live in Miami.

Finally. Still far from the truth however

Guardian-The Spanish health ministry has just updated the country’s Covid-19 death toll to 28,313 after leaving the figure frozen at 27,136 for almost two weeks while it checked and analysed the data.

I'm so glad I quit eating sushi and raw fish over 10 years ago...

Gonna make sure everything I eat is cooked!

Well, we now know the source of COVID-19. Its those pesky Mexicans. You know, the ones who labor in the HOT fields to pick our fruits and vegetables, clean those hotel toilets, cook your food, mow your lawns.

So glad Florida’s Governor has gotten to the bottom of this.

Carnegie Hall, Lincoln Center cancel fall schedules because of coronavirus

Oh, I get it. Intermission. Very clever.

WaPo: As coronavirus cases surge in states across the South and West of the United States, health experts in countries with falling case numbers are watching with a growing sense of alarm and disbelief, with many wondering why virus-stricken U.S. states continue to reopen and why the advice of scientists is often ignored.

“It really does feel like the U.S. has given up,” said Siouxsie Wiles, an infectious-diseases specialist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand.

“I can’t imagine what it must be like having to go to work knowing it’s unsafe,” Wiles said of the U.S.-wide economic reopening. “It’s hard to see how this ends. There are just going to be more and more people infected, and more and more deaths. It’s heartbreaking.”

A headline on the website of Germany’s public broadcaster read: “Has the U.S. given up its fight against coronavirus?” Switzerland’s conservative Neue Zürcher Zeitung newspaper concluded, “U.S. increasingly accepts rising covid-19 numbers.”

Someone named their daughter Siouxsie? (She's right, though.)

U.S. vs. Europe:

I wish there was a "!!!" button as well as WW and FF. Both r282 and r284 would get that.

On the positive side...the protests in the US don't seem to have played into a spike in cases..I guess most were wearing masks!

U.S. coronavirus cases surge by more than 27,700 in a day as 7-day average jumps 15% from week ago.

New cases hit a peak of 31,630, based on a seven-day average, on April 10 before steadily falling to an eight-week low in late May. But the average showed an increase in the last week.

Arizona, Florida, California, South Carolina and Texas all reported record-high single-day increases in coronavirus cases on Thursday as the states continue to ramp up testing and the virus reaches new communities.

Hospitalizations from Covid-19 were growing in 12 states as of Thursday. States like Texas have reported record-breaking spikes in hospitalizations, up more than 84% since Memorial Day.

[quote] Arizona, Florida, California, South Carolina and Texas all reported record-high single-day increases

But I thought warm weather was supposed stop the spread of the virus. That's what Trump and the deplorables have been telling us.

It's gonna fade away...

If the protests didn't lead to a spike, I doubt the rally will. It seems the virus doesn't spread that easily outside. Protests had lots of people not in masks who were cheering, yelling, coughing etc. I don't think there were any real actual spikes from the earlier 'freedom' protests either. A few people will get it from a crowd but it doesn't seem like outdoor venues lead to high infection rates.

Sorry, I find it hard to believe all those protests didn't spread the virus. Football is played outside and players are testing positive. Plus we are not out of the 14 day incubation period for some protests.

The Tulsa rally is indoors, R290.

You are right. It could be that we just don't know yet or that the virus did spread but not in sufficient numbers to cause a spike in the state numbers ( and not all protestors got tested). Or that it isn't being reported because they don't want to link Covid spread and BLM. Who knows. most people show symptoms within 5 days (I think it is 92% by 7 days) so it should have shown up by know.

I didn't realize the rally was indoors - that is just a petri dish then!

How can you tell if these zombies aren’t already dead?

[quote]On the positive side...the protests in the US don't seem to have played into a spike in cases..I guess most were wearing masks!

Perhaps all that teargas kills the virus and we'll be advised soon to inject it.

latest psychic prediction: there will be 3 waves in the US. the 2nd wave is going to kill as many as it did in the 1st wave.......

More than 1M cases now in Brazil. Another country in denial

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JUNE 19 ~ 1:45 PM EST

🐱 GARFIELD THE CAT DAY

🍸 MARTINI DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 8,680,010

DEATHS: 458,852

CRITICAL: 54,786

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 2,278,872

DEATHS: 122,023

CRITICAL: 168,478

📊 STATS : WORLDOMETER.COM

CNBC-

Cruise lines voluntarily suspend all trips out of U.S. ports until Sept. 15, trade group says

Wow, Johns Hopkins is like 4k less in reporting deaths. Is Trump paying them to keep it under 120k until tomorrow?

Florida is blowing shit up almost 4K positives today!!

do they know where they are getting infected in FL? nursing homes? they have lots of old folks down there.

Kayleigh McNinny has just said she won’t be wearing a mask at tomorrow’s rally. I hope she’s on a ventilator by the end of the month.

R300: John Hopkins is always behind in reporting deaths. They did the same thing around Memorial Day.

Another observation about Arizona --. In the beginning, Washington State was in the news all the time about how bad things were there. These two states have about the same population (7+ million), and Arizona has now surpassed Washington State in both total cases and total deaths, and as pointed out still setting records. .. Oh and isn't the weather warmer there?

R305 but it's a dry Hate.

There are essential differences between the BLM protests and the anti-lockdown protests. One, BLM is a genuine grassroots movement, not a publicity stunt organized and financed by Republican dark money. Two, at least some BLM protesters are wearing masks and observing social distancing guidelines. Three, BLM protesters tend to be younger and fitter. Four, it's much more likely that BLM protesters will take steps to avoid infecting others after leaving their demonstrations.

They kept pinning the BLM protesters in tight and were blocking them from social distancing.

Some of the views on this thread are fascinating.

[quote]...as the state emerges as an alarming hot spot among places grappling with a resurgence of the disease.

There is no resurgence. These fuckers never bothered to try to contain it in the first place. Geography helped them for a minute because, other than New Orleans, it seems to be spreading from north to south but now it's their turn. And, since places like Florida and Arizona are basically America's national nursing homes, they are completely fucked. And, honestly, who is to say they still aren't lying about their numbers and it's way worse than even these numbers show.

R290, outside gatherings have a much lower risk of transmission and tons of the protestors were wearing masks. The Trump cultists are going to be shoved in like sardines and without masks because there's no way they are social distancing or putting on masks with cameras around.

Rick Wilson:

I asked a CDC contact about the risks of a COVID explosion after the 19000 people jam together at the Trump event this weekend.

The reply:

"Looks like Tulsa might be about to go through some things."

Philadelphia Phillies rocked by COVID-19 outbreak as five players and three staff members test positive. An additional 32 people are awaiting test results.

The Major League Baseball team added that it is closing its spring training facilities in Clearwater, Florida, "indefinitely" amid the outbreak.

No way is baseball happening this summer.

NBC:

Top members of coronavirus task force advised against Trump's Tulsa rally

R307 Your first point is irrelevant when it comes to Covid - Covid doesn't care about the politics of the cause. The numbers and location for the anti-lockdown protests were better for not spreading Covid - smaller numbers and more spread out. The BLM protestors wore masks in far greater numbers (although many of them took them off or pulled them down) but there was less social distancing as they were crowded together on streets in higher numbers, and there was more coughing (tear gas and pepper spray) and more chanting and yelling by far greater numbers of people. BLM protestors were definitely younger so they have that in their favour. I don't think BLM protestors did much to prevent further infections. The ones on my social media and social media in general that I saw went about life as usual after the protests - they went to work, went to the grocery store etc.

So, the NBA is sending their top teams to Florida while baseball is closing their facilities? And, there's a lot more close contact in basketball. I know they'll officially be locked down at Disney but I'm not sure they are the best rule followers in the world.

People might experience symptoms in five days, but hospitalizations lag infections by two to three weeks. And protesters are younger and fitter than the general population so much more likely to be asymptomatic. so we aren’t far enough out to be saying anything either way. The last week in June is when to watch for secondary infections from asymptomatic protesters.

It would be great if there is no spike from the protests and many protesters really have tried to be very careful, but people got infected standing outside in line to vote.

My father, who is super duper high risk based upon his age, insisted on attending multiple protests. He was supposed to get tested today.

Florida gov blames coronavirus rise on ‘overwhelmingly Hispanic’ workers

Don't blame me, blame the spics!!!!

Brazil has already reported nearly 50K new cases today. 50K! Yet, they have only reported about +1.1K death so far which is lower than several weeks ago. Their death figures have been very odd since they started playing with their numbers a few weeks ago despite the court ruling which ordered the government to restore historical data.

‘The Only Winner Here Is The Virus. Period.’ | Deadline | MSNBC

[R316] I like your dad. I’m high risk, and I went to protests too. With a mask of course, but it was really crowded. That was two weeks ago, and I’m fine.

This report is dated 6/19/20, but I'm not sure it wasn't discussed before. Anyway, here goes:

[quote] MMR booster shot could help prevent worst effects of COVID-19, U.S. researchers say

A vaccine to prevent coronavirus may be months or even years away, but a team of researchers in the United States say an everyday vaccine that is available now might be used to help prevent the worst effects of coronavirus infection.

They’re proposing giving a booster dose of the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine to people to see if it ramps up immunity in general, perhaps helping prevent some of the most severe effects of Covid-19.

Their thinking: The MMR vaccine is known to protect kids against infections that go far beyond the three viruses targeted by the vaccine. The theory is that the vaccine boosts general immunity, in addition to training the body to recognize specific viruses.

The MMR vaccine is what’s known as a live vaccine. It uses highly weakened, or attenuated, versions of the measles, mumps and rubella viruses to produce immune protection without making people sick. Because it uses whole viruses, it stimulates an immune response that is broad and goes beyond the production of antibodies.

“There is mounting evidence that live attenuated vaccines provide nonspecific protection against lethal infections unrelated to the target pathogen of the vaccine by inducing ‘trained’ nonspecific innate immune cells for improved host responses against subsequent infections,” Paul Fidel of Louisiana State University and Mairi Noverr of Tulane University wrote in a letter to the journal mBio.

“A clinical trial with MMR in high-risk populations may provide a ‘low-risk–high-reward’ preventive measure in saving lives during this unprecedented COVID-19 pandemic,” they wrote. There’s no serious risk to giving the vaccine to most people and the approach might be especially effective for protecting health care workers, they said.

“If we’re wrong, well, at least people will have new antibodies to measles, mumps and rubella. So there’s no harm, no foul,” Fidel told CNN.

(Link won't post)

ElderLez, you're right about that timeline but I doubt that it will be possible to winnow out "protest spike" cases vs just "things reopened and people are shitheads" spike cases.

[quote]The Trump cultists are going to be shoved in like sardines and without masks

Perhaps they’ll die. 🎻

More from the link that won't post about the "MMR booster shot could help prevent worst effects of COVID-19"

One theory about why children and teens have much lower rates of coronavirus infection is that they have more recently received vaccines, including MMR, than adults have, and have some of the residual extra immune benefits. Some countries are giving people booster shots of a tuberculosis vaccine for this reason, and some experts have proposed using polio vaccines for a similar purpose.

Some vaccine experts are dubious about the theory that children are less vulnerable to coronavirus because of recent vaccinations.

Dr. Peter Hotez, a pediatrics professor at the Baylor College of Medicine, said children could be less vulnerable because they have more recently been infected with some of the other coronaviruses that cause the common cold.

“This might stimulate local or systemic cross protecting immunity,” Hotez told CNN.

Or there’s another possibility. “A more likely explanation is the lower expression of the ACE2 receptor in the upper respiratory tracts of children,” said Dr. Paul Offit of the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. The ACE2 receptor is a molecular doorway that is used by the new coronavirus to get into cells.

CBS News:

[quote]Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation’s top infectious disease expert, and task force response coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx both vocalized concerns internally in the last week about the safety of holding a rally on Saturday with as many as 19,000 people in an enclosed arena in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

[quote]But President Donald Trump and his campaign advisers are proceeding with the event, which is expected to draw tens of thousands inside and outside the venue who will neither be socially distant nor required to wear face coverings. They claim attendees “assume a personal risk” and “that is part of life.”

Forget Russiagate, Trump needs to be impeached (and then imprisoned) for mass murder.

The world has truly gone crazy:

[quote]Tennessee’s state House on Friday passed a resolution congratulating residents of the state for seeing through what it described as the media’s “sensationalism” of the coronavirus. “We congratulate the people of Tennessee for clearly seeing that the mainstream media has sensationalized the reporting on COVID-19 in the service of political agendas,” said House Resolution 340, which passed the chamber by a vote of 55-19.

I've never seen anything dish out more karma to more people than COVID has. Oh COVID, my feelings for you are so complicated.

🤡 Juneteenth !

R327 Did they do that the same day, Tennessee had it's highest number of new cases?

Median age of Covid victims in Florida: 37 years old.

I've also read that the infection rates in Florida are skewing much younger than previous rates. 37 was the average age.

W.H.O. Warns of ‘Dangerous Phase’ of Pandemic as Outbreaks Widen

The battle over masks in a pandemic: An all-American story

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JUNE 20 ~ 2:30 PM EST

🏖️ FIRST DAY OF SUMMER

🦅 AMERICAN EAGLE DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 8,847,560

DEATHS: 464,590

CRITICAL: 54,501

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 2,315,049

DEATHS:121,700

CRITICAL: 16,531

😷 DON'T LEAVE HOME WITHOUT IT !

📊 STATS: WORLDOMETER.COM

[quote]Median age of Covid victims in Florida: 37 years old.

Bullshit. They just can't hide the younger deaths as easily as the older ones.

Median age of the 5000 unexplained and conveniently classified pneumonia deaths in Florida = 75

R336 While it wouldn't have been my choice of wording, "victims" doesn't equal "deaths."

Victims in this case refers to anyone infected, R336, not just those who have died.

Vaccine scientist Peter Hotez sounds the alarm for Houston:

Latest #COVID19 for Harris County, my observations if this trajectory persists: 1) Houston would become the worst affected city in the US, maybe rival what we're seeing now in Brazil 2) The masks = good 1st step but simply won't be enough 3) We would need to proceed to red alert.

I cannot really see how things get better on their own. In such case we must take steps to protect Houston - even if it means defying the "health freedom" antiscience crazies.

they are gonna get rid of 6 feet social distancing rule in UK.

they are gonna get rid of 6 feet social distancing rule in UK.

That's two metres to you!

R340: Smart. That should work out very well...

The Telegraph: The reproduction rate of the novel coronavirus in Germany has jumped to 1.79 after a raft of localised outbreaks, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI) for public health said on Saturday, far above the level needed to contain it over the longer term.

The number, a sharp increase from 1.06 on Friday, is a setback for the European Union's most populous country, which has fared better in the pandemic than many European peers due mainly to early testing and social distancing measures.

This is never, ever, ever going to end, is it?

Not for at leaat another year or two, SylviaFowler.

1. Dump needs to go and national measures put in place.

2. Vaccine.

🤕 #CoronaVirusFatigueSyndrome

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Trump won't get the virus because he isn't human.

Trump and Pence are Pod People.

When does COVID-19 become COVID-20? September? Like the new TV season?

It doesn’t, dumbass R352. It was discovered in 2019, so it will always be Covid-19.

Covid-19 is the sequel to Covid-18. Duh, r353!

Arizona reported 3,109 new cases today with 24.5% of tests positive.

Florida reported 4,049 new cases today with 15% positive.

Texas reported 4,430 new cases today with 11% of tests positive.

R355 Not sure about the other states but Arizona is reporting an 8.0% positive rate

California is also climbing rapidly, Georgia and the Carolinas too.

[quote]Not sure about the other states but Arizona is reporting an 8.0% positive rate

Yeah, don't know where this guy gets his stats from:

I'm sure you'll all be devastated by this, but there was an outbreak at Cruisin' Chubbys Gentleman's Club in Wisconsin Dells, WI

More than 33,000 new cases today in the U.S. We're back up to daily case numbers that we hadn't seen since April.

damn, this is bad. Are they banning travelers from USA in Europe? I'm wondering about my Xmas vacation...

R359: Yes and those cases will result in more hospitalizations and deaths in the next few weeks (just like in April). July is going to be VERY bad. California, Florida, Texas are leading the pack with 4K+ cases daily - followed with Arizona at 3K+ cases daily.

R360: If they are not, they probably will in the next few months...

R355, Trump is going to lose Florida and Arizona, and Texas will be a nail-biter on election night.

D.L. Hughley has tested positive after collapsing on stage.

R364: I had a feeling it was CV...

A link about Hughley.

No one in his Nashville audience was wearing masks or social distancing.

A video of Hughley passing out and the audience reaction:

I wish everyone would ignore the new cases number. It is linked to testing and testing is unreliable day to day in number performed and results gathered, etc. We need to look at the positivity rates which are the percent of tests performed that came back positive. That gives a much better idea about the amount of virus circulating in different areas. And, if you can get true hospitalization and death numbers, those can be good indicators, too. But, just number of new cases is an almost meaningless number.

Florida breaks single-day record for new coronavirus cases — again

Florida breaks single-day record for new coronavirus cases — again

R368 Another factor to look at might be hospitalization rates. There was someone on our local news (in L.A.) talking about this and pointed out that day that Riverside County was up 11%. Now the news is talking about how Orange County hospitalization rates (where all those protests about beaches re-opening and not wearing face masks occurred) is higher than three surrounding counties.

[quote] I wish everyone would ignore the new cases number. It is linked to testing and testing is unreliable day to day in number performed and results gathered, etc.

Admittedly, the number of cases is not a perfect measure of the scope of COVID-19. If the number of cases were slowly, steadily rising everywhere, that could be simply a reflection of increased testing. But if there is a sudden pronounced spike in the number of cases somewhere (like there has been in the past few days in states like Florida and Arizona), and there hasn't been any recent change in testing procedures or protocols, then it would seem to be a sign that something real is happening.

"Something real is happening" alright, R372, it's just that Trump and the GOP is trying desperately to pretend it's not. All the precautions they were taking for the rally in Tulsa (handing out masks, making the audience sign indemnities, isolating GOP organizers who tested positive etc.) exposed how hollow their public stance really is.

Doctors baffled by stories of people over 80 who survived the coronavirus, even with multiple health conditions.

Even in nursing homes, which are populated by frail elders who need hands-on care, a high percentage of residents who test positive for the virus have had no symptoms or mild ones. Most survive.

Joshua Uy, a Penn Medicine geriatrician who is medical director of the West Philadelphia nursing home that had the city’s first coronavirus outbreak, said about a third of the 22 residents there with confirmed coronavirus were asymptomatic, a third had mild symptoms, and the remainder got very sick. Five died.

“We had a 96-year-old guy who never had a symptom,” Uy said. Some with mild symptoms have “recovered and it’s like nothing ever happened to them.”

r360, until this thing is definitely over, I wouldn't get into an airplane for any reason unless you absolutely had to. Certainly not for a vacation.

You can't ignore the numbers.

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JUNE 21 ~ 9:00 AM EST

👨 HAPPY FATHER'S DAY

☀️ DAYLIGHT APPRECIATION DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 8,949,881

DEATHS: 467,350

CRITICAL: 54,645

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 2,330,999

DEATHS: 120,999

CRITICAL: 16,529

📊 STATS : WORLDOMETER.COM

r351, I tried to pitch a "Invasion of the Body Snatchers/War of the Worlds" hybrid to my producer friend with a rabid president and his followers as pod people, eventually getting vanquished by a virus, but he said that people don't want to relive it again.

Why is the US not having the sharp spike and then rapid decline like Europe/Asia? It seems like we hit a peak in April and then the graph settled on a plateau or crest of a wave with upward spikes here and there. Even in NYC, you have a more similar pattern to Italy (sharp peak and descent), but in LA it feels like we are just bobbing along and increasing. It can't just be Americans being typical selfish Americans. At this rate, instead of a second wave, I feel like we are on just one continuous wave that won't crash.

[quote] It can't just be Americans being typical selfish Americans.

Why not? Seems like a good explanation to me.

Facts don't support what Trump, Pence say about coronavirus

“She was the most beautiful woman in the word”

R382 - I know there is no humor when is comes to Trump anywhere, but that was one of the funniest things that still makes me laugh. "That wonderful, beautiful woman will be greatly missed".

I don't get the reference 382

The deplorables have spent the past 3 months confident that COVID-19 was only a problem in the liberal, cold-weather Northeast states. Now, COVID-19 is coming for the red and reddish-purple states in the South and the desert Southwest. How will the deplorables explain that? They won't. They will simply pretend that what is happening in front of their eyes isn't really happening at all.

[quote] I don't get the reference 382

Here you go.

tomorrow is phase 2 opening in NYC. anyone going shopping or barber shop?

Coronavirus is weakening, could disappear on its own: Italian doctor

An Italian infectious disease doctor believes the coronavirus has become less dangerous — and could disappear on its own without a vaccine.

Dr. Matteo Bassetti, the head of the infectious diseases clinic at the San Martino hospital, said the virus appears to have become less potent, possibly due to genetic mutations, the Sunday Telegraph reported.

“The clinical impression I have is that the virus is changing in severity,” Bassetti told the outlet.

“In March and early April the patterns were completely different. People were coming to the emergency department with a very difficult to manage illness and they needed oxygen and ventilation, some developed pneumonia.”

But he said in the past month, “the picture has completely changed in terms of patterns.”

“It was like an aggressive tiger in March and April but now it’s like a wild cat,” Bassetti said. “Even elderly patients, aged 80 or 90, are now sitting up n bed and they are breathing without help. The same patients would have died in two or three days before.”

He said one of the reasons for the virus becoming weaker could be that it has mutated in response to social distancing measures.

“I think the virus has mutated because our immune system reacts to the virus and we have a lower viral load now due to the lockdown, mask-wearing, social distancing,” he said. “We still have to demonstrate why it’s different now.”

It’s possible that the virus will be eradicated before researchers find a vaccine, he said.

“We have fewer and fewer people infected and it could end up with the virus dying out,” Bassetti said.

But another expert was less optimistic about the prospect of the virus disappearing soon, saying it could take years, the outlet reported.

“I don’t expect it to die out that quickly,” said Dr. Bharat Pankhania, a professor at the UK’s University of Exeter Medical School, according to the report.

“It will if it has no one to infect. If we have a successful vaccine then we’ll be able to do what we did with smallpox. But because it’s so infectious and widespread, it won’t go away for a very long time.”

Whose the Italian doctor ?

Dr. Rudolfo Guilianni ?

I know the article at R388 is from today, but isn't the interview with that doctor from a few weeks back?

R390 Like you, I recognize Bassetti's quote from this report out of Italy a few weeks ago. He's cited in this article from June 2 at the link.

The headlines back then were more focused on the doctor who used to be former Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's physician (Zangrillo).

WHO and Italy's health ministry disagreed with his statements.

[quote] “We have fewer and fewer people infected and it could end up with the virus dying out,” Bassetti said.

Tell it to Arizona.

[quote]At this rate, instead of a second wave, I feel like we are on just one continuous wave that won't crash.

An epidemiologist on one of the Sunday shows this morning said he had been of the opinion that we'd experience a second and then a third wave, but now he thinks it's going to be one continuous forest fire.

Mysterious deaths of infants, children raise questions about how early coronavirus hit California.

A cluster of mysterious deaths is under scrutiny amid questions of whether the novel coronavirus lurked in California months before it was first detected. But eight weeks after Gov. Gavin Newsom declared a statewide hunt for undetected early COVID-19 deaths, the effort remains hobbled by bureaucracy and testing limits.

Preserved samples of tissue from more than 40 California deaths waiting for a decision by the CDC on whether to test for COVID-19. Medical examiners in Shasta, Sacramento and Santa Clara counties, meanwhile, are scrutinizing the deaths of children and babies, amid growing recognition of COVID-19 infection rates in children who show mysterious inflammatory symptoms.

A positive finding in any of the cases could dramatically rewrite the narrative of COVID-19 in the United States.

[quote]but in LA it feels like we are just bobbing along and increasing.

California never had a spike. They locked down so quickly that they aren't following the pattern the harder hit states have been seeing. The problem is that no spike means a very, very long plateau.

What on earth are you trying to say, R395?

R396, can you read? It's a pretty clear response to the poster I quoted who is wondering by California isn't seeing the continuous drop that the states that had spikes have seen. New York, Michigan, Illinois, etc., all got hit hard and are now continuously on a downward trend. California never had the big spike to come down from. I'm not talking about the fucking idiots in the South/Southwest. The big states that, despite acting responsibly, still got hit hard are seeing fewer and fewer cases even while slowly opening up but California isn't seeing that drop. They are just kind of sitting there, smoldering.

[quote] California isn't seeing that drop. They are just kind of sitting there, smoldering.

Not true. California isn't just "sitting there, smoldering." Their cases have been rising consistently since April.

[quote] The problem is that no spike means a very, very long plateau.

California is still climbing. They haven't even reached a plateau.

Germany’s R rate number is approaching 3. The marvelous Mrs. Merkel will have to get strict again.

Oops, sorry, here’s the link.

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JUNE 21 ~ 10:30 PM EST

👨 FATHER'S DAY

☀️ DAYLIGHT APPRECIATION DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 9,045,457

DEATHS: 469,698

CRITICAL: 54,734

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 2,356,657

DEATHS: 122,247

CRITICAL: 16,477

📊 WORLDOMETER.COM

😷 WEAR IT !

I think as each state opens up, no matter how carefully, there's going to be a rise in cases and hospitalizations. It's just going to be a matter of keeping the rise under control. I'm in Illinois and the only hope I have that we might be okay even in the face of the idiot contingent not wearing masks is that our positivity rate is 2% and getting lower. I just hope that continues.

New deaths are still low - although new cases are increasing. I hope that is a sign that the virus is weaker...only time will tell.

I think it's just a sign that the virus took out the most susceptible already. Now, it will go for the second tier of the vulnerable, so maybe we'll see hospitalizations stabilize while deaths continue to drop. After that group moves through their turn, it will move onto those who will just get a cold, but there might be more of them because by that times things will really have opened up again. That will be when we get closer to herd immunity if the virus doesn't go away or we don't have a vaccine that actually works by then.

It is a sign that hospitalizations follow infections by three weeks. Positive tests follow infections by one week. So if infections start rising now, hospitalizations will start rising in two weeks. The delayed timeline on this thing messes with every one.

REUTERS: At Arizona’s Tucson Medical Center on Monday, just a single intensive care unit (ICU) bed designated for COVID-19 patients was available, with the other 19 beds filled, a hospital representative said.

“ICU to be expanded, hopefully, in coming days,” Dr. Steven Oscherwitz, an infectious disease expert at the hospital, said in a tweet on Monday night. “Not sure where people needing ICU care will be able to go, since most AZ (Arizona) hospitals are pretty full now.”

Does everyone infected with the virus produce antibodies — and if so, how long do they last?

Not very long, suggests a new study published Thursday in Nature Medicine. Antibodies — protective proteins made in response to an infection — may last only two to three months, especially in people who never showed symptoms while they were infected.

The conclusion does not necessarily mean that these people can be infected a second time, several experts cautioned. Even low levels of powerful neutralizing antibodies may still be protective, as are the immune system’s T cells and B cells.

But the results offer a strong note of caution against the idea of “immunity certificates” for people who have recovered from the illness, the authors suggested.

CNBC: Health authorities in South Korea said for the first time on Monday that the country is experiencing a “second wave” of coronavirus infections around the capital Seoul.

A holiday in early May marked the beginning of the second wave.

South Korea has 12,438 confirmed cases of the virus and has reported 280 deaths.

On June 17, Mike Pence praised the US response for having "stabilized" at 20,000 new cases of COVID-19 per day, down from 30,000 per day in April.

On June 19, the CDC reported 32,218 cases, followed by 32,411 on June 20.

If Trump had a functioning brain, he'd be doing everything possible to keep the numbers down since we have an election just a few months away. One can only imagine how the statistics will be come this fall.

[quote] On June 17, Mike Pence praised the US response for having "stabilized" at 20,000 new cases of COVID-19 per day, down from 30,000 per day in April. On June 19, the CDC reported 32,218 cases, followed by 32,411 on June 20.

Clearly, something must be done to bring the case numbers back down! We must immediately suspend all COVID-19 testing!

In addition to the timing lag, it’s possible the number of cases is going up faster than the rate of hospitalizations/deaths because older and compromised individuals are now more likely to stay socially distanced at home. Younger, somewhat less susceptible individuals are going out, working, partying, protesting, mingling and becoming the primary reservoir of new infections.

I think that's largely true, R412. As long as the younger crowd stays away from the older crowd, we could significantly reduce deaths. But there are some states where hospitalizations are rising alarmingly fast, and that reflects middle-aged and elderly infections.

A lot of people who ended up in IC where in their 40s/50s, i.e. people who support families. Even those who only have so-called ‘mild’ symptoms are out of the running for weeks.

Texas Tribune: "Surge in coronavirus cases linked to more Texans in their 20s getting sick, officials say." It appears that older people are likely protecting themselves better from Covid, but that will become more difficult if spread continues to widen.

And now we have the White House stockpiling for the second "possible" wave of Corona.

Those jackasses got it so very wrong the first time, and they know it, although they will never admit it.

I seriously believe that the next few diseased filled months are going to be the final nail in Trump's coffin.

He's too fat to run, and he cannot hide.

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JUNE 22 ~ 11:30 AM EST

🐱 TAKE YOUR CAT TO WORK DAY

🍩 CHOCOLATE ECLAIR DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 9,090,907

DEATHS: 471,477

CRITICAL: 57,852

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 2,361,030

DEATHS: 122,283

CRITICAL: 16,477

📊 WORLDOMETER.COM

😷 JUST DO IT !

FUCK CHINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!---

China’s controversial dog meat festival opens despite government pushback

States could just be listing the deaths as pneumonia too. However I think we will know more in a couple of weeks. Maybe R412 is right.

[quote]And now we have the White House stockpiling for the second "possible" wave of Corona.

Larry Kudlow this morning: “There is no second wave coming. It’s just hot spots. They send in CDC teams, we’ve got the testing procedures, we’ve got the diagnostics, we’ve got the PPE. And so I really think it’s a pretty good situation."

What happened in the last 24h, looks like massive spike in USA? Biggest single day count since this begun?

New Yorkers flood barbershops, hair salons as Phase 2 reopening begins

Big Apple barbershops and hair salons welcomed back scores of scruffy customers for post-quarantine cuts Monday as the city entered Phase Two of reopening.

Paul Kim, 40, waited on line for a fresh cut at Clinton Street Barber Shop in Brooklyn Heights, which at one point had a wait as long as two hours.

“I was one of their last customers when they shut down and I haven’t had a hair cut in 17 weeks! My wife said I look terrible,” he told The Post.

Kim said he had resigned to wearing a hat on Zoom calls — but now with a trim, he can finally toss it.

“I feel great! I feel like a million bucks! I feel human again!” Kim said.

Manager Isaac Rubinov said the store was forced to raise its prices by $5 in part because they had to get rid of one barber chair to comply with social distancing rules, he said.

“Not much room in here and we measured to keep 6-feet apart,” he told The Post. “[There are] the shower curtains between each chair [and] we had to take the TV out to make it work.”

But despite the higher rates, long lines spilled out Monday onto the block, where they set up folding chairs and a bench for waiting customers, he said.

“The wait now is about two hours. We have 20 people waiting now,” he said.

Rubinov said that after months of struggling to “pick up the pieces” without revenue, the reopening felt “like the first day of school.”

“Butterflies in my stomach, you don’t know what’s going to happen but you go and do it as best you can,” he said.

I sure hope New Yorkers don’t act stupid during this phase 2 reopening or Cuomo will shut shit down again...

The pic at R422 is giving me stress hives, especially the shithead with his mask under his nose.

New trials to begin on inhaled remdesivir for early stages of COVID.

R424, look at that picture again. There’s at least two shitheads with the mask under their nose and possibly another shithead on the other side of the shower curtain. It looks like it.

R426 I don't want to see!!

CNBC - metro areas with fastest case growth in last week:

1. Phoenix

2. Tampa

3. Orlando

4. San Antonio

5. Austin

Largest slowdown:

1. Detroit

2. New Haven

3. Worcester

4. NYC

5. Bridgeport

Welcome to the 100K Club Florida!

Your debut came a day earlier than expected!

My colleague in London contractedCovid and spread it to his wife and child. He and the kid are fine now but the wife (in her 40s) was walloped. She is “recovered” now for about 7 weeks and out if the hospital but is out of breath and fatigued just from walking a few steps. The dr doesn’t know if it will get better or if this is her new normal.

Be careful out there, it’s a crap shoot some will have an easy case but random folks will have long term debilitating symptoms.

Dutch police detain 400 after protest over coronavirus restrictions

THE HAGUE – Police in The Hague said they detained some 400 people on Sunday after demonstrators refused to leave a protest against the Dutch government’s social-distancing measures put in place to halt the spread of the coronavirus.

Several thousand protesters had gathered in the Malieveld area in The Hague, close to the Dutch seat of government, even though the rally had been banned by the municipality.

“We have detained some 400 people today. A large number of them have been since let go,” the police said on Twitter.

The authorities had allowed a brief protest to go ahead in the afternoon before asking demonstrators to leave.

Protesters were wearing T-shirts that read: “Stop the lockdown” and carried banners demanding that the Dutch rule to keep a distance of 1.5 metres (5 feet) from one another be lifted.

Police eventually ended the demonstration and detained a group of 400 people who refused to leave.

The Hague Mayor Johan Remkes said the demonstration was banned because authorities had information that “troublemakers” from all over the Netherlands, including groups of known football hooligans, were planning to descend on The Hague.

“This has nothing to do with protesting or the right to freedom of speech. This group was deliberately trying to disturb public order,” Remkes said in a statement.

[quote]Dutch police detain 400 after protest over coronavirus restrictions

America doesn't have a monopoly on idiots.

[quote] America doesn't have a monopoly on idiots.

No, they certainly don't.

L.A. County health director receives death threats over coronavirus rules

Amid a surge in Florida coronavirus cases, Gov. Ron DeSantis‘ administration is changing the guidelines for hospitals’ reporting of intensive-care beds.

In a phone call with hospital providers this week, Florida Surgeon General Scott Rivkees said he no longer wants hospitals to report to the state the number of patients in intensive-care unit beds.

Instead, he only wants hospitals to report the number of patients in those beds who require what he described as an “intensive level of care.”

(Gotta make those #s look better somehow.)

NYT: Breaking News: Saudi Arabia says it will drastically limit the number of pilgrims to this year’s Hajj to prevent the spread of the coronavirus. Only Saudi pilgrims and those already inside the kingdom will be allowed, state-run media said.

Bloomberg:

Gilead to test inhaled form of COVID-19 drug to widen its use

Larry Ludlow doesn't possess the scientific knowledge or background to rule out a second wave of Corona.

^^^ Kudlow

CNN: New study suggests 8.7 million Americans had coronavirus in march but 80% were never diagnosed.

[quote]Updates from a Dallas ICU: we are completely full with COVID patients. Our ER is trying to send us 3 more. We are running out of good PPE and having to use shitty backups. The other ICUs are trying to take our AM staffing because they are also full. - Astryed

Kudlow has a punchable everything, r438.

Any possibility that not only is Covid perfectly engineered to be passed as easily as possible, but it’s also engineered to drive people insane and make them beg to catch Covid, and become violent if they’re prevented from catching Covid?

r418, we may have to eat our pets this winter if our agriculture industry doesn't get its act together. They're euthanizing livestock and dumping produce and dairy products because their usual supply chains have been disrupted and they can't be bothered to figure out how to save all that food.

Two more members of Trump's campaign staff test positive for Corona.

I'll become vegetarian/ vegan before I'd eat my pet's cat food, let alone my pet.

Are you even a pet owner?

🙉 How long before Trump's new bimbo Mac-A-Ninny gets tired of lying for Trump?

Maybe when he grabs her kitty?

Trump, Pence and Jared have several BILLION in "unspent" funds for COVID. Because they can't be bothered to build and maintain a response.

These people should be tried for crimes against humanity.

Relax! We're going to spend it later.

Texas ... New daily high: +5,112

UNACCEPTABLE !!

[quote] Texas ... New daily high: +5,112

Don't worry. The heat will kill the virus.

I don't know how Houston could become worse than NYC, but it's Texas, so anything's possible.

[quote] Gov. Greg Abbott pleaded with Texans on Monday to better protect themselves against the coronavirus, acknowledging that the virus is now “spreading at an unacceptable rate”

If only someone had warned the governor this would happen!

Can someone explain why California is also seeing an explosion in cases? They had over 5K today and they were one of the first states to lockdown? I know they do more testing now but is that the only reason their numbers are so high?

CNN)The US Food and Drug Administration is advising consumers not to use hand sanitizer products manufactured by Eskbiochem SA due to the potential presence of a toxic chemical.

The FDA has discovered methanol, a substance that can be toxic when absorbed through skin or ingested, in samples of Lavar Gel and CleanCare No Germ hand sanitizers, both produced by the Mexican company. Eskbiochem did not immediately respond to a request for comment from CNN. The FDA recommends that consumers avoid the following brands of hand sanitizers produced by Eskbiochem: All-Clean Hand Sanitizer (NDC: 74589-002-01)

Esk Biochem Hand Sanitizer (NDC: 74589-007-01) me

CleanCare NoGerm Advanced Hand Sanitizer 75% Alcohol (NDC: 74589-008-04)

Lavar 70 Gel Hand Sanitizer (NDC: 74589-006-01)

The Good Gel Antibacterial Gel Hand Sanitizer (NDC: 74589-010-10)

CleanCare NoGerm Advanced Hand Sanitizer 80% Alcohol (NDC: 74589-005-03)

CleanCare NoGerm Advanced Hand Sanitizer 75% Alcohol (NDC: 74589-009-01)

CleanCare NoGerm Advanced Hand Sanitizer 80% Alcohol (NDC: 74589-003-01)

Saniderm Advanced Hand Sanitizer (NDC: 74589-001-01)

[quote]Can someone explain why California is also seeing an explosion in cases?

Too many Californians aren’t wearing masks and social distancing. Simple as that.

[quote] The FDA has discovered methanol, a substance that can be toxic when absorbed through skin or ingested, in samples of Lavar Gel and CleanCare No Germ hand sanitizers, both produced by the Mexican company.

It has been early impossible to find name-brand disinfecting wipes, hand sanitizer, etc. (though the situation has improved somewhat in the past few weeks). If you wanted that stuff, you were almost forced to order off-brands from 3rd-party sellers or obscure websites. Now, we're probably going to find out that a lot of those off-brand products we bought were either totally ineffective or harmful.

Lysol, Clorox or Purell only (or wash with soap and water). Screw the other stuff!

Coronavirus Today in the USA

Macro view: Cases going up, deaths going down.

(Previously deaths lagged new cases by 2 or 3 weeks unless something new is happening. Stay tuned.)

Why so many old people in Sweden died in nursing homes:

Doctors were euthanizing many of them without sending them to hospitals.

[quote] The health authorities (in Sweden) have received many complaints about how elderly relatives were treated. A consistent theme is that nursing home residents with suspected Covid-19 were immediately placed on palliative care and given morphine and denied supplementary oxygen and intravenous fluids and nutrition. For many this was effectively a death sentence.

[quote] “People suffocated, it was horrible to watch. One patient asked me what I was giving him when I gave him the morphine injection, and I lied to him,” said Latifa Löfvenberg, a nurse. “Many died before their time. It was very, very difficult.”

[quote] The problem seems to have been the guidelines issued by the National Board of Health and Welfare. At the start of the pandemic it suggested that doctors triage patients according to their so-called biological age, weighing overall health and the prospects for recovery, before making treatment decisions.

[quote] “Doctors overseeing nursing-home care were advised to keep their distance from residents because of infection risks and told to carefully weigh the condition of patients before referring them to hospitals, said Thomas Linden, chief medical officer of Sweden’s National Board of Health and Welfare.”

[quote] The idea was to keep hospital ICUs from being overwhelmed by older patients with a low chance of survival. However, the surge never happened. Instead, the elderly were denied access to unused facilities. “These guidelines have too often resulted in older patients being denied treatment, even when hospitals were operating below capacity,” according to critics who spoke to the WSJ. “Occupancy in the country’s intensive-care units, for instance, has yet to exceed 80%, according to government officials.”

[quote] “The ICU wards were comparatively empty,” said Dr Cecilia Söderberg-Nauclér, of Karolinska University Hospital. “Elderly people were not taken to hospitals—they are given sedatives but not oxygen or basic care.”

Doctors phone it in:

[quote] Yngve Gustafsson, a geriatrics specialist at Umea University, told the BMJ that the proportion of older people in respiratory care nationally was lower than at the same time a year before, even though people over 70 were the worst affected by Covid-19. He, too, was aghast at the practice of doctors prescribing a “palliative cocktail” for sick older people in care homes over the telephone.

[quote] “Older people are routinely being given morphine and midazolam, which are respiratory-inhibiting,” he told the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper, “It’s active euthanasia, to say the least.”

[quote] Even the government has admitted that the strategy was misguided. "We have to admit that when it comes to elderly care and the spread of infection, that has not worked," Prime Minister Stefan Löfven told Swedish newspaper The Aftonbladet Daily. "Too many old people have died here."

Confirmed cases in Ohio up again +729. Cases here are definitely headed back up after reopening. Our GOP Governor was going to make masks mandatory, but got talked out of it. I wonder how many people have died because he didn't have the spine to do the right thing?

R460 That is so fucked up.

R460 Got those Swedes have been such nazis about this. They should be investigated by a neutral party like the Red Cross or WHO.

The article I posted at r460 doesn't actually say how widespread the practice was. It says it happened, but there are no numbers on how many were give palliative care without even going to the hospital. It will be interesting to see how or if Swedish health authorities respond to this.

Eugenics is strong in Sweden as it seems to be in the USA. USA pioneered that awful idea and exported it to the Nazis.

I hope all the assholes who refuse to wear a mask get sick for being so stupid.

R460 That is horrifying. And Sweden was so smug about not shutting down, etc.

Early on the medical association in Australia put limits of care on patients 65 and up.

Sweden has generous benefits, they were probably sick of all the old people sucking up their resources and saw this virus as a perfect excuse to kill them off

R468 True. And Australia is not in any position to point the figure at any other nation (apart from China that deliberately hid the virus). 102 deaths, low number of infections (most have come from returning travellers).

Read this article. There was no excuse for this to happen in Australia.

R461 my niece is supposed to go to college in Wayne county (midway between Columbus and cleveland.) is that area one of the hotspots?

Leaders of local and state health departments have been subject to harassment, personal insults and death threats in recent weeks, a response from a vocal and angry minority of the public who say that mask requirements and restrictions on businesses have gone too far.

Dozens of top health officials have resigned or been fired since the pandemic began. At least four state health directors have resigned from their posts; Dr. Amy Acton, the state health director of Ohio, stepped down this month after enduring anti-Semitic attacks and demonstrations by armed protesters on her front lawn.

“There’s a big red target on their backs. They’re becoming villainized for their guidance. In normal times, they’re very trusted members of their community.”

CNBC: A district in Germany that has seen an acute outbreak of coronavirus cases at a meat-processing plant is being put back into lockdown. The district of Guetersloh, home to around 360,000 is back under lockdown until June 30 after at least 1,000 workers at a meat processing plant in the area contracted Covid-19.

I would assume rolling lockdowns are going to become SOP across most of the world ... but not in the U.S., because deplorables won't stand for it.

South Carolina racial justice activists said they would postpone future demonstrations or move them online after at least 13 people who took part in previous protests tested positive for the coronavirus.

Concerns about protest-related infections began almost as soon as tens of thousands of demonstrators took to the streets nationwide to express anger about the death of George Floyd. Still, as of late last week, many cities where protests took place reported they had not traced infection surges directly to the mass gatherings.

Epidemiologists urged caution about writing off the possibility of protest-related outbreaks merely because the virus’s 14-day incubation period had passed. Some experts estimate case spikes could take as many as four weeks to appear in data, in part because a week or more can pass before someone infected shows symptoms, and additional time often passes before that person seeks a test.

R471, Wayne county is relatively close to Cleveland and Akron and has 330 confirmed cases which isn't nothing, but it isn't a hotspot.

sorry if already posted..

Antibody levels in recovered COVID-19 patients decline quickly: research

BEIJING (Reuters) - Levels of an antibody found in recovered COVID-19 patients fell sharply in 2-3 months after infection for both symptomatic and asymptomatic patients, according to a Chinese study, raising questions about the length of any immunity against the novel coronavirus.

The research, published in Nature Medicine on June 18, highlights the risks of using COVID-19 ‘immunity passports’ and supports the prolonged use of public health interventions such as social distancing and isolating high-risk groups, researchers said.

Health authorities in some countries such as Germany are debating the ethics and practicalities of allowing people who test positive for antibodies to move more freely than others who don’t.

The research, which studied 37 symptomatic patients and 37 asymptomatic patients, found that of those who tested positive for the presence of the IgG antibody, one of the main types of antibodies induced after infection, over 90% showed sharp declines in 2-3 months.

The median percentage decrease was more than 70% for both symptomatic and asymptomatic patients.

For neutralising serum antibodies, the median percentage of decrease for symptomatic individuals was 11.7%, while for asymptomatic individuals it was 8.3%.

The study was conducted by researchers at Chongqing Medical University, a branch of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention and other institutes.

Jin Dong-Yan, a virology professor at the University of Hong Kong who was not part of the research group, said the study does not negate the possibility that other parts of the immune system could offer protection.

Some cells memorize how to cope with a virus when first infected and can muster effective protection if there is a second round of infection, he said. Scientists are still investigating whether this mechanism works for the new coronavirus.

“The finding in this paper doesn’t mean the sky is falling,” he said, also noting that number of patients studied was small.

Ahem, R470. What happened in that nursing home sounds shameful but, nevertheless, Australia IS in a very good position to point the finger at a lot of countries. Australia's COVID-19 infections soared at the beginning like everyone else's however a rigorous shutdown prevented the out-of-control scenarios still playing out in most other countries. Look at the stat's:

Population: 25 million 102 deaths No. of tests: 2,132,821 % COVID-19 positive tests: 0.4% Total COVID-19 infections; 7490 % population infected: 0.03%

The Houston Health Department sounds the alarm:

RAPIDLY WORSENING | #HarrisCounty hospitals:

- 177% increase in #COVID positive patients in gen/ISO beds since 5/31

- 64% increase in COVID positive patients in ICU beds since 5/31

WE MUST ACT NOW. Wear a mask, social distance & wash hands

I believe USA ICU/death stats are A LOT worse than what is being reported on worldometers (forget Johns Hopkins, they are always behind). There are all these reports about alarms going off around the country, yet stats have low/steady hospitalizations and death stats. It does not match-up. Note - This is not worldometers fault. They have been the most accurate so far, but they can only report what is reported to them/made available by states.

Also, I notice how MSNBC is reporting high rates of new cases in red states, but not reporting the same increases in blue states like CA. I like Maddow, but she needs to report what is happening in California also.

Politico:

‘I don’t kid’: Trump says he wasn’t joking about slowing coronavirus testing

"Anyone who wants a test can get one."

NBC's Vaughn Hillyard recounts his quest to get a Covid-19 story in Phoenix:

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JUNE 23 ~ 12:00 NOON EST

🌐 UNITED NATIONS PUBLIC SERVICE DAY

🥤 NATIONAL HYDRATION DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 9,248,365

DEATHS: 475,679

CRITICAL: 57,904

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 2,395,115

DEATHS:

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ PART 2

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

DEATHS: 122,750

CRITICAL: 16,510

📊 STATS : WORLDOMETER.COM

😷 YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO !

Just about everybody's wearing a mask at today's Congressional hearing on the Trump administration's response to the coronavirus pandemic – even the Republicans. Progress!

Do you think people will be as dumb during the July 4th holiday as they were on Memorial Day weekend? We can't afford to see another surge like we saw after Memorial Day.

r485, of COURSE they will! Only they'll be blowing off their hands with cherry bombs on top of it.

🙈 Dumber on the 4th of July.

THX r475. Ohio has their shit together early in but seems like it’s fucking things up now.

NBC:

Fauci says U.S. will expand testing, not slow it down as Trump suggested

weather is so hot, many of my friends want me to go to beach with them...I keep telling them there is a pandemic!!! Don't go!

The Status of Sweden's Herd Immunity, from The Business Insider 6/21/20

Sweden's 'herd immunity' hopes are fading as only a small fraction of the population has coronavirus antibodies

[quote] Anders Tegnell, the country's chief epidemiologist, told the Financial Times in April that he expected 40% of people in Stockholm, the capital, to be immune to Covid-19 by the end of May.

[quote] But the 6.1% figure shows that it is very far off achieving even partial herd immunity, which epidemiologists expect would require at least 60% of the population to become immune to the coronavirus, according to a New York Times report. Once that proportion of a population is infected, the disease has very low transmission because people with antibodies are immune and do not pass it to others.

[quote] "The spread is lower than we have thought but not a lot lower," said Anders Tegnell on Thursday, according to Reuters.

"said (lied) Andrew Tegnell on Thursday.

[quote] "We have different levels of immunity on different parts of the population at this stage, from 4% to 5% to 20% to 25%."

[quote] Sweden's coronavirus death toll surpassed 5,000 this week, meaning its mortality rate per capita is very significantly higher than its neighboring Scandinavian countries as well as one of the highest in the world.

Go, r490, go!!!

Arizona hits new hospitalization record for 8th straight day. Welcome to Arizona President Trump!

FUCK SWEDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!

This American and his Swedish girlfriend are extremely pretty but also extremely stupid.

EU May Ban Travel from US as it Reopens Borders, Citing Coronavirus Failures

[quote] which would lump American visitors in with Russians and Brazilians as unwelcome

Shithole countries, all! Please do it, EU!

Daily Beast:

Dr. Birx Contradicts Trump, Privately Tells Govs To Increase COVID Testing

As usual, US deaths are blowing up again after the weekend reporting lags. Not over yet I'm afraid

Trump administration has considered ending coronavirus emergency, even as cases surge

Louisiana back for more ...

Given that Chump is now stating that the "final" death toll will be "up to 150K or more", we are clearly fucked. He always understates the true numbers when it comes to this virus. Remember when he said that there would be 0 deaths and that it could magically disappear?

Chump also says that there would have been between 2-4M deaths if nothing had been done. So, in other words, if things had gone his way. He has been against social distancing, testing and lockdowns from the start. Luckily, the governers, sports leagues, Broadway, concert promoters, etc., made the tough decisions months ago to shut it all down. And now the bastard wants everything opened back up??? So how exactly is the situation different now than before? From my perspective, the 2-4M that he mentioned are still in play. He always speaks from both sides of his mouth

Chump also says that there would have been between 2-4M deaths if nothing had been done. So, in other words, if things had gone his way. He has been against social distancing, testing and lockdowns from the start. Luckily, the governers, sports leagues, Broadway, concert promoters, etc., made the tough decisions months ago to shut it all down. And now the bastard wants everything opened back up??? So how exactly is the situation different now than before? From my perspective, the 2-4M that he mentioned are still in play. He always speaks from both sides of his mouth

I hope the EU bans US travelers.

If they're smart, they will, R505. Heck, they might do it just to spite Donald.

Fauci gets upset with GOP lawmaker's question about masks

Ex-Obama health care head Andy Slavitt:

What is the matter with us? Why do we need to personally be at risk to care about risk to others?

Where did they teach in Sunday school we can be negligent of others when we feel safe?

Where is pious Vice President Pence? Where are evangelical leaders?

Science is not our missing ingredient in beating this virus. Empathy is.

The UK may have picked the right time to leave the EU, after all.

Bloomberg's Steven Dennis:

FLASH: TEXAS posts new COVID spike — record *5,489* new cases, record *4,092* patients in hospital beds

⏳ CORONA TIME ~ JUNE 23 ~ 6:45 PM EST

🌐 UNITED NATIONS PUBLIC SERVICE DAY

🥤 NATIONAL HYDRATION DAY

🌎 GLOBAL

CASES: 9,333,894

DEATHS: 478,733

CRITICAL: 57,924

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 2,422,631

DEATHS: 123,466

CRITICAL: 16,528

📊 WORLDOMETER.COM

😷 BE SMART ~ BE SAFE

[quote]I'm sure things will get much better once the Disney Parks open (rolls eyes).

CBS News: Walt Disney World employees are urging park executives and state and local officials to reconsider delaying the reopening of the parks due to concern over the recent surge of coronavirus cases in Florida in a petition posted to moveon.org.

This should be a "Stay home Summer" for everyone.

It's about saving lives and slowing the spread.

But it won't happen. Common sense rarely prevails when it involves self sacrifice.

You don’t know everybody’s personal circumstances since mid March, R513. There are some who, for their sanity, will need to stretch their wings and fly somewhere, albeit using the proper precautions.

[quote]Cyber actors affiliated with the People's Republic of China have tried to seize public health research related to #COVID19 treatments. The potential theft of this information jeopardizes the delivery of secure, effective, and efficient treatment options. - FBI

China can get to the back of the line. When it comes to America, the biggest problem is republicans and their supporters.

California 6503 new cases today! WTF is going on there?

[quote]You don’t know everybody’s personal circumstances since mid March, [R513]. There are some who, for their sanity, will need to stretch their wings and fly somewhere, albeit using the proper precautions.

Fucking toddlers act like this. Grow up.

R517, California is a huge state and it's their turn. Their early shutdown only delayed the inevitable that would occur the moment they opened up. Hopefully, their hospitals used the time to get ready.

CA was very focused early on about "flattening the curve". Meaning lockdown to prevent a spike that would have otherwise been much higher on the graph than it was. That sudden high spike would overwhelm the healthcare system. Flattening the curve spreads things out over a longer time period but hopefully also reduces the total numbers (especially deaths due to healthcare not overwhelmed).

The Poll Troll shows almost 124,000 US deaths thus far. I never could have imagined that number when we first started these threads. And I see Riverside County in CA (Palm Springs, Cat City, Rancho Mirage etc) had over 600 NEW cases in just one day again.

Who ever said we should have just cancelled summer for a long term victory over this virus was right on.

People can still stay home all summer if they want. We don't need to wait for the government to tell us to do that. Everyone knows by now how to prevent the spread. I'm enjoying less time around annoying narcissistic people in public for a while so will continue.

Seven states are reporting new highs for current coronavirus hospitalizations, according to data tracked by The Washington Post — Arizona, Arkansas, California, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas — as the number of infections continues to climb across the South and West. More than 800 covid-19 deaths were reported in the United States on Tuesday, the first time fatalities have increased since June 7.

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[quote] Why do we need to personally be at risk to care about risk to others?

It's the Republican way. "Your suffering doesn't matter until it hits those near and dear to me."

Is Kelly Ripa still hiding out int the Caribbean or Bahamas, or where ever she fled to with her family in tow?

Fuck you, R518. Speak for yourself and not for others. You don’t know what other people are going through. It’s not “fucking toddlers” who make intelligent decisions when living their lives. Being a total shut-in for many months on end isn’t so great for many people, mental health-wise. Educate yourself before passing judgement on me or anybody else. And if not I can point you in the direction of the nearest grease fire for you to jump in.

Guardian-In altogether more bananas news, residents in Lopburi, Thailand, are hiding behind barricaded indoors as rival moneky gang fights create no-go zones for humans. The ancient Thai city has been overrun by a growing population of monkeys super-charged on junk food – and angry at its dwindling supply under coronavirus restrictions, AFP reports.

BREAKING: Tokyo will report a large spike in the number of coronavirus cases later today, warns Gov. Yuriko Koike. She also states that clusters in offices have recently become an issue.

Pretty much all of this breaking at this point. Given the ongoing pandemic situation. As in unraveling in real time.

BBC-The world's number one tennis player Novak Djokovic has said he is "so sorry" after he, and a number of other players, tested positive for Covid-19 after playing at his Adria Tour competition. Djokovic set up the event as a way of helping players get back to match fitness after several weeks without competition. Djokovic, Grigor Dimitrov, Borna Coric and Viktor Troicki have all tested positive.

Wow R526 your precious summer vacation is so much more important than the health and lives of millions of people at risk during a global pandemic. That tells us what we need to know about you.

It's hilarious that R526 threw a temper tantrum to prove he isn't a giant toddler.

If you can't control your impulses in the face of the possibility of killing yourself or others, you're worse than a toddler because, as an adult, you should know better. Seek out professional mental health care, R526. Or, you could just google 'raging narcissist'.

[quote] California 6503 new cases today! WTF is going on there?

R517 As a percentage of the state's 39.5 million population, that number for California isn't nearly as bad as Arizona and it's 7.3 million population reporting 3593 new cases today.

California would have to be reporting over19,000 new cases to equal that.

"EU May Ban Travel from US as it Reopens Borders, Citing Coronavirus Failures"

Just to be clear, Trump banned us first. Europeans are not allowed to travel to the US, I had to cancel my trip to LA (which is fine by me, not really looking forward to getting sick in America).

Those Dream City pastors who misrepresented the air quality in their church for Trump’s rally last sure seemed to be smelling cookies in their video.

Rachel’s impersonation was cracking me up.

And then I cried imagining what would have happened if the Tristate had decided to have a three thousand person rally and open back up in late March rather than stay home. It is like a cult of death has overtaken half the country.

I'm still very wary of the tristate, even given how well we've been doing.

I'm seeing a lot of idiots without masks.

R526 ....... Did you book your vacation flight with Delta Airlines?

500+ Delta workers have tested positive for Covid19.

10 Delta workers have died from Covid19.

Still wanna spread the love?

Stay home and take a pill instead, jackass.

Not you too, Elderlez! I'm reminded of Mia Farrow in Rosemary's Baby, this is no dream this is really happening.

NYC marathon canceled

Mounting clues suggest the coronavirus might trigger diabetes.

In mid-April, Finn Gnadt, an 18-year-old student from Kiel, Germany, learnt that he had been infected with the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus despite feeling well. Gnadt’s parents had fallen ill after a river cruise in Austria, so his family was tested for virus antibodies, which are produced in response to infection.

Gnadt thought he had endured the infection unscathed, but days later, he started to feel worn out and exceedingly thirsty. In early May, he was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes, and his physician, Tim Hollstein at the University Hospital Schleswig-Holstein in Kiel, suggested that the sudden onset might be linked to the viral infection.

CNBC:

New York, New Jersey and Connecticut impose 14-day quarantine on travelers from coronavirus hotspot states

[quote]New York, New Jersey and Connecticut impose 14-day quarantine on travelers from coronavirus hotspot states

I think they should but I can't imagine how they'll enforce it.

Mississippi State Health Officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs:

One thing that we're going to have to do is we're just going to have to prepare for it to be really bad. And that's part of the planning that we're looking at (for fall). It's just going to be bad. Not to be fatalistic, but it's hard to imagine that some degree of really bad is -- it's non-avoidable.

Prepare for not being able to get into the hospital if you have a car wreck, (to) have a heart attack and there not be a ventilator to put you on.

Its interesting that the New York governor's press conference still gets all the media coverage, despite all the southern states having major outbreaks. They need to put the spotlight on those Republican assholes like Desantis.

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The southern states poo poo-ed us up here in the tri-state while we were peaking and hospitals overwhelmed, it’s their turn now. So do people in TX,AZ,MS,FL,NC& SC actually believe it now?

Echoing R544, how the hell do you enforce a 14 day quarantine on everyone coming in from a ‘hot zone’? I read there will be fines given for violators but how will they find them? Anyone have any ideas?

Seems the death counts are rising in FLA and AZ

The NY/NJ ban on hot zone visitors is symbolic. Just like Florida didn't effectively quarantine New Yorkers from entering the state.

NYC enforced the lockdown by telling people what to do. There were no fines for breaking lockdown rules for individuals. You could get in a car and leave NY anytime you wanted. Very different from Europe where enforcement was more strict. But amazingly, most people in NYC have followed all the rules without needing any strict enforcement.

ABC7 News: Gov. Gavin Newsom shares stunning number of new #COVID19 cases in CA over the past 3 days:

June 21: 4,230 new cases

June 22: 5,019 new cases

June 23: 7,149 new cases

That's a 69% increase in 2 days.

Like Latin America, cases are blowing up throughout the Southern portion of the US. So much for that warm weather bullshit!

People have to be willing to follow the guidelines, including quarantine rules when necessary. What don't they get.

If you follow the numbers, it's pretty self explanatory. Covid 19 is on the rise.

And if these numbers are actually underestimated, as many believe they are, we'll be in really big trouble soon.

Just stop being so damn selfish, stop your whining, and stay home.

When you have to leave home, mask up.

It's not that hard.

R552 watching this right now too, that is insane.

I swear I looked it up but I'm not finding anything on it....does California have a 14-day quarantine like R543 mentioned for CT/NJ/NY?

Starting to feel that the lockdowns and social distancing only work to a certain point. In the end, Covid-19 is going to do what it's going to do. Cases are exploding in Latin America, India, Africa, and the Southern US despite significant measures in some areas. For sure, it seems that a second wave is coming in the areas that were first hit. Only a matter of time now. The tsunami is coming ....again. Version 2.0

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^^That will work out just fine👍

Caesars is now mandating all guests in their casinos wear masks. It comes only a few hours before it's believed the Governor will order all casinos to abide by this. All those videos of maskless gamblers has hurt tourism more than anyone wants to admit. The workers are livid.

R527: That shit is like Planet of the Apes!!

[quote]Starting to feel that the lockdowns and social distancing only work to a certain point.

They work very well when they're actually followed. Look at the European Union countries -- some countries had horrific outbreaks but they got a handle on them because their governments mandated mitigation efforts and people went along with them. For the most part, we've had miserable leadership and a large segment of population that just can't be bothered to think of anyone except themselves.

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R560. Indeed! One of my favourite movies and books by Pierre Boulle.

Hookers can start working again in Amsterdam on July 1st, pushed up from original September 1 date. I’m gonna get me some cheap pussy!

Meanwhile, nearly +29K new cases and 700 deaths already reported in the US. Thank you Chump!

R565 One wonders if glory holes will make a comeback as a means for appropriate social distancing.

Something that might finally get the attention of our mask-less commander in chief:

WaPo 6/24/20

[quote] Dow tumbles more than 700 points as surge in coronavirus cases rattles investors

It takes a childish adult to infect to infect a village.

Texas!!!!!

[quote]I’m gonna get me some cheap pussy!

Have you ever had any other kind?

R565 - a green light for the red light district?

From FL, land of idiots: 5500 new cases today! Yay-- we are number one! Pathetic.

R542 - that is Horrifying.

Next thread.

Vote in KHOU-11 (Houston) poll: With the rise in COVID-19 cases, do you think Texas should shut down again?

Can we vote to give Texas back to Mexico?

[quote]THREAD: We report 987 new cases of #COVID19 today, bringing #Houston’s total to 16,253. Sadly, deaths increased by seven to 204.

[quote]Of the newly-reported cases, 91% of the tests were conducted June 14-22 with 92% having result dates of June 17-22. - Houston Health Dept

It’s satanic R540. The evil is just palpable.

New coronavirus cases in the U.S. soar to highest single-day total.

Across the United States, more than 36,000 new infections were reported by state health departments on Wednesday — surpassing the previous single-day record of 34,203 set on April 25. Texas, Florida and California led the way, with all three states reporting more than 5,000 new cases apiece.

Three states — California, Florida and Oklahoma — reported record highs in new single-day coronavirus cases, while hospitalizations hit a new peak in Arizona, where intensive care units have quickly filled.

Even as case numbers climb, reports circulated that the federal government is poised to stop providing federal aid to testing sites in some hard-hit states, including Texas, prompting a top federal official to respond that testing was on the rise.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott, who was trending on Twitter to resign yesterday and today, had remarked earlier in the week that he needed two more weeks to see where the case numbers are going (straight up). Today he was pressured to “do something” and reduced the gathering maximum from 500 to 100, which was possibly the weakest decision to make. Restaurants and bars can do quite well with 100 patrons.

With frequent hand washing, sanitizing, face masks, and deep cleaning, we should see a reduction in flu cases.

Time will tell.

♫ The virus at night

Is at it's height

Deep in the lungs of Texas!

R583 👋👋👋👋

Disneyland has decided to push back its planned July 17th reopening.

Disney World is supposed to be sooner, and Orlando is getting hit VERY hard.

Do you think we'll be over the worst of it by Thanksgiving and Christmas? I want to get out and enjoy the holidays.

r586 no

With all this instruction on hand washing and other measures being taken should we expect regular cold and flu season to be lighter?

A portion of the population has ZERO willingness to do the hand washing, mask wearing, etc. This all should have been MANDATORY as it was across Europe where they managed to knock the spread down. Spain is going to take tourists soon and I expect they will regret that.

If the warmer weather has no effect, doesn't that logically mean that there should be no cold weather-related spike in the Fall? The spread will not be based on weather or season but the precautions people take. Some areas will act responsibly and will not see huge spikes but, rather, small outbreaks due to random packs of idiots. Some areas will just watch their citizenry die because they are 99% idiots. Why, yes, red states, that second one is you!

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glad Disney is being smarter, because judging from the disboards, even the cruise ones, there are tons of idiots ready to go as soon as Mickey says they can, but social distancing and masks, well, they just aren't magical!

People are so cognitively set to assume that the future will be like the past that even the smartest people keep repeating that fall nonsense. And it’s a real problem because it makes it impossible for them to understand what is going on now.

The next thread should be called The South Will Rise Again

Cuomo: Out-of-state travelers to face ‘random checks’ to ensure quarantining

Inspectors will perform “random checks” on out-of-state travelers who are supposed to be under New York’s new self-quarantine orders, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Thursday.

“You fly into New York, we’ll have your name, we’ll know where you’re supposed to be staying,” Cuomo told CNN of people arriving from the list of states with high coronavirus rates.

“There’ll be random checks,” he said of the joint advisory with New Jersey and Connecticut that went into effect at 12:01 a.m. Thursday.

“We’ll have inspectors who are randomly looking at names on the [flight lists] and following up to make sure you’re quarantining. And if you’re not, then you’re in violation of the law and you will have a mandatory quarantine and you’ll be fined.”

He admitted that many will undoubtedly still slip through the net, saying that “like any other” law, “if you don’t get caught, you’re fine.”

But he warned that travelers faced other risks of getting caught out, such as if they get “pulled over by a police officer” for any reason and it proves they should be under quarantine.

“You get sick, you go to a hospital from out of state and you test positive and you’ve been within the 14 days — you violated the law,” he said. “You’re going to have a problem.”

He insisted it was “not a blockade” on the states with high coronavirus rates, including Alabama, Arizona, Arkansas, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Texas, Utah and Washington state.

“I don’t believe a blockade is legal … but states do have the authority to regulate their own public health,” he said. “I think most people are going to honor it,” he insisted.

Cuomo said New York now has the “lowest hospitalization rates since this started” with 996.

He called it a “real American tragedy” that other states did not follow New York’s stay-at-home policy.

“You played politics with this virus and you lost,” he said of other states that opened up much sooner. “It’s now undeniable this country paid a terrible price.”

US workers file 1.48 million jobless claims, bringing coronavirus total to 47M

Are people not wearing masks in those states that have increasing numbers? what the fuck is going on? I think I'm gonna start wearing face shields too.

The one I have is OK, you can't see perfectly clear with it on but it's better than nothing...

The Eiffel Tower is open today for tourists. Are they only going to let 2 people in the lift for social distancing, or cram them in like sardines as usual?

Chuck E. Cheese parent company files for bankruptcy, another casualty of pandemic

My kid and I love Chuck E Cheese, it's a really cheap way to spend a fun afternoon. However, even despite our serious precautions altho minus masks, we got sick every time we went. We call it Catchy A Disease and we did.

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