Gay power couple's murder-suicide mansion for sale in Houston

The price has already been reduced. Better grab it.

The home itself is beautiful - most of the decor is hideously tacky

bulldoze that. bad energy. ugly.

If I lived in Houston, I think I'd welcome a murder-suicide.

Background about the case

Decorating is too wannabe posh for me. The yard is very small and ordinary.

I couldn't stay one night in a house with that kind of history.

What a dump!

It will always be known locally as "The Murder House." Best to bulldoze it and start over.

My niece and her husband and two kids live in a 'murder house'. They got a good deal. They are not spooked by it at all.

Another thing going against it is its so-so location, in a mixed residential-business area not far from a busy freeway. Its neighboring homes are all much smaller but look more appealing because they fit the neighborhood.

R5, that's awful

Who would want to spend that much money on a lot in Houston without any trees? I wouldn't mind the location if the lot was more attractice.

Lip gloss and Prada queens from Dallas. Which one do you think killed the other? Which room did the murder-suicide happen in?

If Constance Langdon is my next door neighbor, I'm all in.

It backs up against commercial properties on Richmond Avenue. Not pretty.

A cooktop on the kitchen island? Oh, the horrors that this house has had to deal with.

This baronial mansion occupies a very narrow 0.19 acre lot backing onto a pet hospital and a commercial car park; in the realty link the neighbouring house has tarpaulins on its roof to stop the rains coming through. What an odd location to site this house; $1.3M in that street seems highly...aspirational.

Exemplary of Houston's notorious lack of zoning. But nice house, except most of the decor..

The sort of house that only gets built in the US.

They were "Two Wild and Crazy Guys!"

Sorry no, creepy.

Not worth it

depressing. the pics of the couple tell you exactly who killed whom.

The realtor practically admits in the property description that the interiors are shitty:

[quote]With a few finish changes, solid architectural bones allow you to easily loosen up formality and transform to modern classic.

“Mommy there’s a man screaming in the attic!”

The caller is pencil dialing from inside the house!

I like the interior of the house more than the exterior of the house, although inside/outside don't match at all. The electrical wiring hovering so close to the pool would make me a nervous wreck to swim in it. I don't know Houston real estate at all (NY'er) but it seems overpriced on such a tiny lot. God knows what all that shitty modern stucco crap is hiding, the house could be ready to collapse from termites for all we know. That stucco crap is one huge bandage covering up a mess in most cases.

Say what you will, but it is without a doubt the nicest house I have ever seen sited within 100 yards of a wings restaurant.

R2 & R25 yes, hideous, absolutely fuck’n hideous.

I remember the original thread, quite entertaining. I'm not fond of the wires seen from almost every window and would want a much larger lot but you are within walking distances of many businesses and restaurants. The front landscape is bad, but I like the house itself and many of the furnishings.

The younger one on the left is the type of gay male straight women adore- SCENEY, QUEENY, and BITCHY.

The murderer/victim identities were established long ago, and most people here called it.

"Well known make-up artist"---what does that even mean. Does make stiffs look life like? Does he make matrons look life like?

The lot is tiny---the size of lots in my childhood neighborhood--the appropriate sized house for it was a 1500 sf GI Bill house. The furniture is hideous and a white kitchen probably means it was never used. What is the facade material--the cross lines make it obvious that this is some cheap, recent version of an early 20th century house that probably woula have been done in stucco.

Given that it's Houston, there are probably a lot of murder-suicide houses.

Overpriced murder home.

Damn. That's what my 3 bd craftsman in Seattle costs.

R36 Seattle> Humid ass Houston.

To be honest murder/suicide seems totally understandable in a house in which the main staircase terminates in the kitchen

Giant 4,000 sq ft homes built on small lots are all over Houston in a trend that started over 30 years ago. It has ruined one neighborhood after another, including Montrose and West U, two of my faves.

Bodies were found in the bathroom. Assuming it was the master

R39- That's a typical MCMANSION- A TACKY, OVERSIZED house on a small plot.

R41 This is beyond tacky. Give me a small house with a large yard anytime!

The "well known makeup artist" worked for something called Laura Mercier of NY & Paris, traveling the world demonstrating this overpriced crap. His instagram is unintentionally hilarious and still up! Check-out the yappy-looking dogs who don't look like they enjoy playing dress-up and there's at least one model who seems to be in the running for most collegan in her lips.

It wasn't clear what Rene did for a living.

Laura Mercier is a pretty well known brand

[quote] A cooktop on the kitchen island? Oh, the horrors that this house has had to deal with.

That is a pet peeve of mine. They are so messy

People here are such snobs. They house looks beautiful enough, plus the neighborhood isn't bad. three houses over there is a very similar expensive looking house.

I would love to live there.... with the exception of the murder-suicide thing.

It will be an evil house a la Amityville Horror ... but gay demons will replace your Noritake with Mikasa, and the sound of “Golden Girls” episodes will echo the halls when all the lights are out....

I ain’t gonna live in no murder house.

Nothing good ever came out of living next to a Wing Stop.

Nouveaux riche wannabe poser Trumptards can have it and their shitty swamp city. Enjoy the next hurricane.

House is OK, a bit bland on the outside but not offensive. I love the interiors, especially the study and master bedroom. Lounge could be quite nice with more colour and nice gilt furniture. The interior is much nicer than the exterior suggest as R28 says

Bit big for just a couple, I'd want a couple of other people, maybe a lodger in the secondary living space behind the garage and one in the third floor space. hr murder/suicide thing doesnt bother me in the slightest, looks like the blood has been cleaned up properly in the master bathroom so all good. If not I'm a good little scrubber.

I dont mind the location, its not pretty true but its practical with plenty of shops an easy walk or cycle away

Only thing that bothers me is its stucco panelling exterior - those things are bad news, especially in a damp/humid climate, as R28 says god knows what that crap is hiding, it wont be good

I really liked the interiors, but thought that the exterior was bland beyond imagination. It is sometimes difficult to put a price/value on homes in areas that abut commercial facilities. It can sometimes be a plus if the commercial ventures are boutiques or small restaurants, banks etc. I am retired from a career in corporate owned real estate that covered the entire US, and I am familiar with Houston. Personally, I don't care for it, but I don't have to live there. Off subject, but Minneapolis is really surprising me as a place that is violent. That just doesn't fit with dairy farming and growing Birdseye crops.

Why is the office in a closet? It's a huge house with many rooms that could be used as office space. Weird.

It would have been a blessing if the murderous queen had also set fire to the place before she offed herself. That house is hideous.

It's amazing they didn't go blind or have skin burns by the thousands of downspots in that house.

Was a motive ever established?

r50 Houston is a majority Democratic city now, so I doubt they were Trumptards.

R57 is right - go look at the Instagram one of them had thats still up that R43 posted, scroll down there's a pic he took of a cafe sign in Mexico that says "Keep Calm you're on the FUN side of Trumps' Wall", unlikely a Trump fan would have posted that

the murderer looks controlling in their couple's pics and the victim looks like he is being held hostage (which he was given the outcome).

i am guessing in addition to emotional abuse/blackmail and potential physical violence, the murderer ripped hubby off to keep up his lifestyle.

The murderer learned that his older partner had found someone new and wanted out.

R60 the new bottom never went public?

Needs more potlights!

a huge house on a small piece of land in the suburbs looks fucked up.

Seriously, OP, no 'Tasteful Friends' signifier?

I am intrigued. Why did the young gay killed the old gay and then had to commit suicide? Why couldn’t he find another way to get rid of the old one ... or just wait for the nature to take its course?

The exterior is grim and Texan -- though it does lack the two-story height skinny entrance portico that Texans favored for decades (and perhaps has waned.).

I hate the big sprawling kitchen with everything in the wrong place; and the hideous ceiling in the mater bedroom (Texans will put a tray ceiling, or some bastard version of, in a dog kennel it seems.). The rest is not bad. Not my taste but decent spaces and even some pleasant details.

Americans want to correlate with yard size and like their yards absurdly large and their neighbors out of view -- yet they are uneasy with hedges, walls, and fences, the exact things that make a modest size yard useful and private and easy to maintain.

r65 The young one was nearing his expiration date, so the old one was ready to trade him in for something fresher.

The older one had coin.

Houston is built on a swamp. The flooding and the humidity and the guns and the religious, culty, anti-gay fervor? No thanks.

Having said that, if I had that much money to spend on a house in Houston (ack), I'd look for something other than a grisly crime scene.

[quote]Friends and neighbors said the two had been together for 22 years but were going through a divorce. Their million-dollar home in the Greenway Plaza area was listed for sale just a day before the shooting.

(I couldn't open the other links.)

Wouldn't the realtor legally have to disclose the murder-suicide took place there? I guess it varies state by state.

I'd sooner move to downtown Minneapolis in the middle of a riot than Houston

I am confused: the makeup artist looks like the younger one.

Any shirtless pics of the cute one?

That's a mansion? I thought everything was bigger in Texas.

So...apparently the make-up artist shot the rich husband because they were breaking up....the "make-up artist" suddenly realized 7.50/hour (working the Clinique counter) at Macy's meant he would be going from that house to government housing if he got kicked out. Pompous cunt.

Did they both have the same family name?

r76 There are divorce settlements to sort the loss of income. He was a control freak and there is nothing more controlling than taking a life!

What did the 'rich' one do to make him so 'rich'?

The front elevation says tasteful redo, notice the dump to the left.

But the inside! Whoa Nellie! Talk about way over the line for that house and neighborhood, or Texas for that matter. Yikes!

Were they in the house when this happened?

There is no cute one in this pair of queens, R74.

Before I read who did what, I was sure that the older one killed the younger guy because YG was ready to move on and OG was jealous. Quelle surprise.

[quote] Were they in the house when this happened?

No, Rose, they were at the annual cotillion.

They cleaned it up really good, it must have been a bitch with all that white in there and body tissue sprayed everywhere. I wonder if it was ServPro, they get called on all the bad ones.

Perhaps ServPro can clean my house when this is all over.

Can someone link the original thread(s) about this? I can’t find them. DL went wild over the case. And the house. At least now we have solved the mystery of the third floor. But I have all new questions, like what the fuck with that extra kitchen with a fucking Murphy bed?

Somehow we had seen photos of almost the entire house. They have toned it down!!!

The home office in the closet is odd. That's like a Popular Mechanics project from 1965 that you'd put in a GI Bill house.

The younger one was no spring chicken. They got together when he was 30 and moneybags was 40. He's lucky that Daddy tolerated his make-up business this long.

Your typical McManson.

[quote]Before I read who did what, I was sure that the older one killed the younger guy because YG was ready to move on and OG was jealous. Quelle surprise.

Huh? Just about every month there is a headline about a gayling killing and eldergay. Usually over money. It's really gotten to the point that EGs who like to take dips in the kiddie pool need to sleep with one eye open.

R65: It's a southern thing and probably also a thing Texas---they suddenly realize they did something awful and stupid and then kill themeselves. When I lived in Nashville, there was always a case like this in the news--either it had just happened or there was a funeral, or the shooter didn't kill himself and there was a trial.

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The one on the left looks stereotypically gay.

Did they dress up as Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette at home? The decor is too much.

What's the deal with the writing desk in the closet? I can imagine some little courtier of theirs writing his memoir of the scandalous life he witnessed there before the murder/suicide brought his world crashing down.

R92 it’s called gayface.

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[quote] The home office in the closet is odd. That's like a Popular Mechanics project from 1965 that you'd put in a GI Bill house.

For what it's worth, I'm writing this from a home office niche made out of a repurposed closet, but I actually *live* in a 1100 sq ft 1951 GI Bill house. These queens had no excuse.

I honestly don't know if I could live in a house where something like this happened. It would really bother me. I am superstitious-ish, but I genuinely feel that when something rageful or violent happens in a place, it can leave an indelible impression.

You might use that bedroom for storage. A relative of mine had a son commit suicide--she and her husband stayed in the house for a couple decades, but they didn't actively use the room for daily life. This is not unsuaul. But buying a death house would, in some ways, be odder.

It’s not a meant to be an office-office. It’s just a little organizational space. Probably where you’re meant to stash your routers and other home devices.

They were one of those ever-striving Appearances Are Everything couples. I'm sure they told everyone at brunch that they lived in 'Baja River Oaks'. Clearly the younger partner foresaw his lifestyle slipping away in a divorce and simply could not bear the ignominy.

What was the source of the older partner's wealth?

Tragique.

Can you imagine the ghosts in the house after you move in? Would they be like the ghosts from "Topper"?

[quote]I am superstitious-ish,

I’m not superstitious. Maybe a little stitious, but that’s it.

r103 Imagine if a frau moved in who had no idea how to apply makeup? She would hear the faint ghostly echo of " learn how to contour bitch...."

Topper? More like Bottomer, amirite?

Crying at r105!

😂😂

The curb appeal and the neighborhood in general is horrible. The street is mainly just small ranch houses from the 50s/60s. This is directly across the street from the house and behind the house are a bunch of ugly high rise buildngs. It is Houston after all where they have no zoning laws.

There's a Burger King in walking distance.

Not very inviting, is it? it looks like something from 'Whatever Happened To Baby Jane'.

r101 He was an oil company exec.

Those smaller houses in the neighborhood go for around $500,000. The location is good as it's about 10 mins in to downtown.

"Mommy, there's a kimono floating down the hallway!"

The trouble with Texass is there are no zoning laws in the major cities. I remember an upscale apartment building I went to in Dallas with marble in the interior that was next door to a strip club.

The murderer must have really been a gorgeous prize back in the day--he was still handsome up until his death, but not handsome enough to be a trophy boy anymore. The victim must have been pretty cold, though, to toss him out after 22 years.

It would be interesting to know what exact incident or argument prompted the murder, but we'll never know.

I had a friend who lived in a murder house which he got for a greatly reduced price--he said the problem was not any psychic occurrences or ghosts (he doesn't believe in that nonsense, and neither do I--sorry, Witchiepoo!), but people coming up to him as he mowed the lawn saying, "Is this the murder house? Can we go in?"

The ghosts are gay and love Opera. Where's the problem?

According to this article Dallas, Tx. has a very sophisticated set of zoning ordinances and Houston is the only city in the state with no zoning laws.

R115- Handsome- PIFFLE

He was just a HARDCORE SCENE QUEEN.

r119 has stated her boundaries!

I would be so embarrassed to live in that house now.

Can someone from the original murder thread remind me whether we ever found out what became of their poor, traumatized little dog?

Under “interior features” they don’t mention “tasteful blood splatter.”

[quote]The study/library is currently dramatic and dressed up. Just a few easy changes and the room becomes modern classic.

How very dare they!

[quote]R40 Bodies were found in the bathroom. Assuming it was the master

Decor wise, and dramatically speaking, I must say I feel the powder room was a more suitable setting for a murder.

Who would pay that much to live in a house with that kind of history attached to it?

[quote]R86 Can someone link the original thread(s) about this? I can’t find them.

Here’s one - -

Am I the only one who thinks the Daddy was the hotter of the two?

The murderer LOOKS like a make up artist. Dick wilter.

Anyway, couples like these who LOOK so perfect usually aren't. No one is fooled anymore.

You couldn't pay me to live in that house then or now.

R110 SO tacky to have a house like that in that neighborhood. The neighbor homes look Tool sheds in comparison.

I don't hate the library and appreciate they bothered with picture rails. The paintings are probably awful.

The house looks stocky.

Neither one is hot, but older man seemed to have at least a bit of dignity. The make up queen had none at all.

R132 Makeup queen murderer!

Typical Texas mess. Gay and straight and homicidal and suicidal and nothingcidal are all the same there.

I'd kill myself too if I had to live there. And I'd take my hubbin with me to spare him the shame of living there, too.

Bad energy, no way I’d ever live in a place like that. Good luck to the new owners......We’ll probably see it featured at “My Haunted House” or “A Haunting” or a show like that in a year or so after it’s sold.

Bad energy, no way I’d ever live in a place like that. Good luck to the new owners......We’ll probably see it featured at “My Haunted House” or “A Haunting” or a show like that in a year or so after it’s sold.

My parents always said: never ever buy the nicest house in a given neighborhood; the inferiority of the other houses will make your house's worth depreciate.

I wonder if the murder victim saw it coming or if he was shot from behind and never knew what was happening.

R115: Maybe he got tired of hearing about foundation makeup and travel to Paris to make rich women look ridiculous.

They had two dogs and, yeah, whatever happened to them. I hope their new owners don't dress them up and make them feel embarrased.

R138 they both had a restraining order so I’m sure both felt something was seriously off

Maybe if it’s hard to sell, in the meantime they could use it for murder mystery dinners and parties. You know, give it that authentic ambiance.

The house isn't bad, though it looks awful in that neighborhood. But can we stop doing gray, please? The living room is gray and gilt, ugh, I would never even go in there.

[quote] But can we stop doing gray, please? The living room is gray and gilt, ugh, I would never even go in there.

Mary!

Im sorry,but the older one was looking a trifle elderly at the end so i doubt it was about someone else. he'd have been hard pressed to find someone as nice looking as murdering make up queen . He was handsome,if psychotic.

Oh, you vapid queens. It's not all about looks. I know you guys who obsess about looks have no heart or soul, but some people do.

True r145 but here we are presented with the opportunity to express our more trivial, petty and non PC opinions and instincts without judgement are we not?

I will never live in a place like where someone was murdered.

[quote]R144 Im sorry, but the older one was looking a trifle elderly at the end so i doubt it was about someone else. he'd have been hard pressed to find someone as nice looking as murdering make up queen.

No - it was established he’d been meeting with a new boy toy and was going to start a new life.

The makeup queen lost her powder puffs and flipped out.

R116 What murder? Is anyone famous or infamous?

In that case Id have killed that old mother fucker too ! Oh the humiliation of getting dumped by granny Clampett !

Well this is a banal situation - people get dumped because someone has the courage to move on. Straight, gay, lesbian. It's only terrible for the one who is being dismissed, be that the aging "younger one" or the "older one", being put out to pasture. It is tragic that it resulted in murder and suicide. Tragique and tacky.

R151 A large part of it likely was so much of murderer's life was devoted to appearances. Murderer's Instagram page (still up) is cringeworthy. It's like a parody of gay scene queens, Texas nouveaux-riche, and all of the Housewives series combined with the 20-something Insta-lux-jetset femme $$$ cosmetics/clothing/travel market.

I'm sure the Daddy was just over it. Looks exhausting.

Daddy was also like conned my some 20-something setting herself with the same aspirations.

Sometimes life is better lived simply.

R151 A large part of it likely was so much of murderer's life was devoted to appearances. Murderer's Instagram page (still up) is cringeworthy. It's like a parody of gay scene queens, Texas nouveaux-riche, and all of the Housewives series combined with the 20-something Insta-lux-jetset femme $$$ cosmetics/clothing/travel market.

I'm sure the Daddy was just over it. Looks exhausting.

Daddy was also like conned my some 20-something setting herself with the same aspirations.

Sometimes life is better lived simply.

[quote]I remember an upscale apartment building I went to in Dallas with marble in the interior that was next door to a strip club.

To some that’s an incentive.

Meh - how bad can gay ghosts be? They might be fun.

Personally, I think gay ghosts have been extremely underrepresented on TV. As long as they aren't too bitchy - no one likes a bitchy ghost.

Nasty house and the poor guys looks like the leads in some sort of homosexual docudrama.

Ghosts will be popping up everywhere!

Ryan Murphy could fill in the blanks nicely with this story. DL knows too little.

Ryan Murphy would have the hot one screwing his female clients.

Ryan Murphy would have the old one desperately paying for barely-legal rent boys.

No thanks.

Wow... I can't believe the Nate Berkus and Jeremiah Brent situation escalated so fast.

Oops! Wrong thread.

"The hot one" ????

The old one looks like he's had 5 too many facial dermabrasions. If he had lived he would have become Fire Marshall Bill in a few years.

The young(er) one had a certain Robert Goulet drag going on.

Some of it I don't mind but what is with the chandeliers in nearly every room?! It's not the palace of Versailles.

It so very Texas Gay, as though they were in competition an honorable mention in the Most Piss-Elegant Gay House in Houston Contest.

Do you think Ben killed René because he didn't get his initial on the cartouche of the black marble chimneypiece in the odd room that opens to the kitchen?

R164 whyever not? If there's space, and you like em, why not put one in. I got one in the laundry, I'd stick one in the shitter if I could

Any more pics of the hot one?

R167 who is the hot one? Neither was hot, unless you mean the new bottom that sent the old bottom into a murderous rage? I wanna see pictures of him too.

I would not just out of hand reject a house rumored to have a ghost or two. But not the ghosts of those two. Eeesh.

I agree, which one is the hot one?

These two would be objective 5s in LA or NYC. Nowhere near hot.

The Decanterville Ghosts

See Ryan Murphy's latest horror insta-classic about a murderous celebrity make-up artist:

Dark Eye Shadows

They would be great as the subjects of a Ryan Murphy Netflix limited series. Starring George Clooney and Christian Bale. Get Zac Efron to play the new piece who rocked the boat so disastrously.

Those of you commenting about the small office (R53, R87, R96, R99) might have missed the caption of the picture which reads...

[quote] The home has an elevator shaft, which currently serves as a home management office.

So was the plan to have the option to put in an elevator if one of them was no longer able to use the stairs?

No one reads to critique on Datalounge. Photos will suffice, R174

Is this a no-basement "mansion"?

Basements in Houston are extremely rare. The water table is something like 4 feet down.

The hot one had a great body!!!

Handsome!

The younger one was definitely attractive. Surprised he was the killer. Would have thought he had more options.

R178: I see surgical scars. I wonder if he had fat sucked out.

What is the meaning of that "triangle hands" pose that shows in the pic at R179?

"Illuminati," QAnon loon at R182?

"These two would be objective 5s in LA or NYC. Nowhere near hot."

See r178. He would not be considered unattractive anywhere.

^R178 Except Datalounge apparently. Shocking.

[quote]So was the plan to have the option to put in an elevator if one of them was no longer able to use the stairs?

Oh, the possibilities!

We toured homes in a recent new development on the Bay. Striking views of San Francisco.

Unfortunately floorplans with elevators were prominent.

We're no spring chickens at 44 and 43, but geez - we're not 85. Apparently neither was the Happy Couple, but at least they were planning for the future. Looks like they though they'd be there into old age....

In a way, they are.

Who would want an elevator in their home? Then you have to hire an elevator operator and that just opens up a whole can of worms.

He could be an elevator operator/pool boy to save on salary.

It's probably haunted.

The older guy got sick of the make-up, tiny dick and drug addiction. The younger guy was going to have the money and the big dick taken away.

The slightly younger one looks like a water logged sausage stuffed into tight casings, in every pic.

The older one has the look of a fed-up person in every single person. The younger one must have been exhausting.

r181 The murderer bottom queen had lipo , fake man tits , as well as calf implants lol

Median neighbourhood appraisal price is $568K per the listing -- initial asking on the Bungalow of Broken Dreams® was $1,450,000, almost triple this median. Do not see that happening.

Interesting how many posters say they could not live in a murder/suicide house. Most landmark homes are centuries old, you just know *someone* died a horrible death in every one of those properties at some stage -- which sure as hell wouldn't keep me out of a fine old house.

Dropping dead in your sleep is not the same as a murder suicide. Much less cleanup. Doesn’t make the papers.

A murder-suicide is trailer park stuff. Did the Loreal guy grow up poor or something? Tacky.

Apparently he was from Iowa, and settled for the BIG LIFE selling lip gloss and eye shadow in Houston.

Look at that IG profile. No mention of his family or home. All silver spoons proudly show off their well-heeled heritage - not tacky Liberace aspirations.

Thanks, R199. I thought as much.

Sadly, they will not be able to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Because it doesn't exist, you silly fool @ R201.

[quote]Most landmark homes are centuries old, you just know *someone* died a horrible death in every one of those properties at some stage -- which sure as hell wouldn't keep me out of a fine old house.

Not so often centuries old as maybe one century cold in the U.S. and less in a place like Houston, Texas, R196, but I agree. I lived in a house on the East Coast that had seven named ghosts and various unnamed ghosts according to various publications, and stories of suicides and falls down one of the stairs, etc., some of them from the last 100 years and some stories from the last 200 years. It was interesting to read the stories but no burden at all to live with them. Old houses are where people were born and died and fucked and fought and suffered pain and joy and disease and delight and were kind and hateful to one another and experienced pleasure and shame and despair and a thousand emotions. Contrary to the easily spooked Generations X and Millennials, emotions and personal history don't absorb into the period woodwork and ooze out to haunt newcomers to a house.

"Contrary to the easily spooked Generations X and Millennials, emotions and personal history don't absorb into the period woodwork and ooze out to haunt newcomers to a house."

Contrary to what you believe, most of the "easily spooked" people in this thread are probably 70-year-old eldergays like yourself. But I guess some people here never miss a chance to bash millennials.

It's also not so much about the ghosts or spirits itself but the negative energy they make you feel. Grief, sadness, fear etc.No comfortable vibes in some rooms. No need to fear the spirits itself but a house feels much better when there is nothing lingering in my experience.

R196 I'd happily snap up a "murder house" if its something I like and I'll save a few bucks. Far rather live in a "murder house" in a low crime area than anything in someplace like Detroit. Some methed up scumbag is gonna harm me a whole lot more than any ghost.

I dont have the luxury of allowing myself to be worried about ghosts

I ain't sceered of no ghosts.

[quote]It's also not so much about the ghosts or spirits itself but the negative energy they make you feel. Grief, sadness, fear etc.No comfortable vibes in some rooms. No need to fear the spirits itself but a house feels much better when there is nothing lingering in my experience.

Spiritual, not religious? Lingering vibes, not ghosts? Negative energy, not spirits?

Distinctions without differences.

Speaking of ghosts, whatever happened to that guy posting about his haunted house. It was right before Thanksgiving and he was worried his house guests would think he was nuts.

He was debating having the ghostbusters in or selling.

Anyone else remember that thread? Has he posted a follow up?

Every other block in Houston has 2-3 of these houses, placed in-between 1,500 sf ramblers built in the 1950s.

I could live in that house, but I could never live in the Labianca residence.

So many of those murder houses get torn down, the OJ murder house and the Tate murder house were both leveled and replaced with new addresses. The Labianca house at 3311 Waverly in Los Feliz is incredibly still there and honestly looks great, it traded for $2M just last year.

It “traded”, r212? Does that mean it sold? Or was it just a stand-offish type that didn’t reciprocate?

Yes, the deed & title were traded for $2M!

I was told the LaBianca house needed a lot of structural worth. I also know nothing of houses or real estate. Overheard my ex say to one of his fellow Manson obsessed friends when it was for sale.

*structural work.

Do you mean this thread R209?

[quote]Every other block in Houston has 2-3 of these houses, placed in-between 1,500 sf ramblers built in the 1950s.

Wow, R210. Thanks for the example: a cookie of slightly different details from the same batch of dough.

I've never seen first-hand a city where this sort of thing was commonplace, or where zoning was so wild, wild west. Not sure if building a house so much larger in size and cost than the surrounding sea of ramblers is an act of aggression, of optimism, or of foolhardiness. But judging by the mix of uses and building types and grades of housings and chain restaurants and Porcelanosa showrooms, anything goes.

R210, that looked OK from the outside. Not great, as it has the same horrible cladding, but the basic shape and detailing is not unpleasant.

Then I saw the interior. Just no, fuck that is awful. No colour, hideous lights, ugly tacky furniture. Gut job, but the place isnt worth it. Its the complete opposite of OP's house, with a somewhat unpromising and mediocre exterior concealed a great interior

Yes! Thanks R217.

The house at R210 is simply appalling. Is anyone brave enough to look through the builder's catalog of puke-inducing "styles"?

MY EYES!

[Quote] Ryan Murphy could fill in the blanks nicely with this story.

I smell a vehicle for Madden and Froy.

R221 yeah there isnt a lot there that I like - but I DO like this one, at least on the outside

EVERY light fitting would have to go though, they are consistently hideous. Apart from that, the interior is blandly inoffensive, a clean slate for someone to apply their personal stamp onto

These are custom build houses, so they are built to the customers taste. Or lack thereof

R224 I can't with glass front doors, but at least they didn't put the staircase in the kitchen in that one. I almost liked 2227 P until I saw the horrid, horrid kitchen.

R225 with you on the glass doors, that I would change out. I didnt mind 2227 P, didnt get as far as the kitchen, fuck I see what you mean. Manages to be too big, too ugly and impractical all at once

And I see the same shitty lights everywhere in 2227 P too. They must have got a job lot cheap of those things, in a wide variety of different shapes, all ugly as sin. I think they are actually more horrid than that kitchen

In town Houston is very desirable and has been for 20 or so years. They tear down the post war 1500sq feet and build these behemoths, or cram in a strip mall of town homes-three (sometimes four) stories high. They loom over all the properties adjacent. When a area is hot, the developers cash in and everyone wants 3,4, 5 thousand square feet, high ceilings, ect. so these really stick out. There are few blocks in Montrose and West U where every original house has been replaced.

For those that may not know Houston, it's a city that looks like a bullseye from the air. There are 3 concentric rings of "loops, beltways and parkways" that circle the city. The closer you are to the center, the higher the real estate costs are. "Inside the loop" means, inside I-610.

It's a very common practice to take a 1/2 acre lot that formerly had one 1940's small home on it, and replace it with 6 detached vertical block-houses. They are EVERYWHERE in this city. If you're in one of those houses, you'll climb a flight of stairs every 15 minutes because they're about 700 sq. ft. on each floor, and terribly chopped up.

What's weird to me is when I'm in Los Angeles or SF and I'm in say, West Hollywood, right off Santa Monica or Sunset, possibly one of the hottest areas in all of LA, and there are still scads of shitty little 2bed1bath homes and shitty little post war 3 plexs that are still there. Really crappy ones with wall furnaces and original windows and doors. In Houston, that crap would have been bulldozed faster than you could say McMansion.

R229 the neighbors will fight you to death on every step of bulldozing, design, construction, traffic mitigation, etc. CA Native here, it's the CA way.

R228 has a point. Our place is surrounded by 3 story towhomes and lofts. They are a nice concept, but the reality is a lot of stairs. Most of the laundry areas are in the garage and the bedrooms are two floors up. Seems like a pain to traverse 3 floors with all that crap. Same goes for groceries.

[quote]r230 the neighbors will fight you to death on every step of bulldozing, design, construction, traffic mitigation, etc. CA Native here, it's the CA way.

Also, as to r29's "there are still scads of shitty little 2bed1bath homes and shitty little post war 3 plexs that are still there," not everyone wants a big house or McMansion. West Hollywood bills itself as "a village," and there's something cozy and cool about living in a casual, even run down, little bungalow. It's part of the local landscape.

If one wants a big, vulgar house or a skyscraper, there are certainly other areas in L.A. where there's tons more of them.

R231 which explains all the ugly apartment buildings built in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s??? And the ridiculously overpriced ones from 2k and beyond?

It all looses the "quaintness" of a "village" when the rent for your outdated 400 sq foot shithole is listed at $2500 per month. Depressing.

Yup you get to live like a quasi transient in the slums in a never updated post war crackerbox with no modern conveniences, street parking, 30 year old carpet. all for a couple of thousand a month. But hey..you're in a cute village of WE HO

Not to mention your village square of bars & nightclubs on both Sunset and Santa Monica. Fortunately the village approved that non-vulgar Hustler store back when it had a chance to speak on such vulgarities. Don't forget its local theater...

Also, the village gladly silenced that pesky mayoral sexual harassment thing. So out of line with its village character.

Sorry to burst your village bubble...

[quote]R232 which explains all the ugly apartment buildings built in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s???

Those buildings often have many long term tenants living there under strong rent stabilization laws. A building can only be emptied under very elaborate and expensive procedures which WOULD be legally challenged... which is as it should be.

[quote] the OJ murder house and the Tate murder house were both leveled and replaced

Not quite. OJ’s house was leveled and a new one rebuilt. Nicole’s condo where the murder happened is still there with a new address.

And a building cannot be demolished and rebuilt before it is empty, is what I mean.

[quote] It all looses the "quaintness" of a "village"

Oh, dear!

Meant to say "it looses the quaintness of anal leak."

Still hasn't sold.

Perhaps we should crowd fund, for the official DataLounge Conference Center & Retreat Resort.

R242 we could host some haunted house tours too. We have quite the paranormal team here on DL.

Except we'd have to go to Houston and hang out at a tacky Mcmansion.

They could transform it into an extremely exclusive COVID hospital.