Glamorous gay couple who were found dead in their $1.5million Houston home in 'murder suicide' after filing for a divorce

How much was their home worth?

Being out kills.

I don't understand, they were so successful working in cool industries and hanging out with cool people like Brooke 'Easter Island Head' Shields, plus they had a $1.5m house IN HOUSTON! Am I missing something? Did one of them have herpes?

Were they both cut?

Above and beyond circ status, r4, can we try to answer r3's question -- why would fabulous people leading fabulous lives, seemingly happily, suddenly decide to implode?

It’s hard to come out of the Valley of the Dolls^

Very sad no matter what went down.

Some might believe Gay Guy Right is the killer who offed himself because he is not as pretty as murdered Gay Guy Left.

However, experts (nine out of ten dentists too, also) can tell that Gay Guy Left has buggy eyes that tweek even further when on Tina and it was Gay Guy Right who pushed for the divorce. Gay Guy Left lost his shit at the listing (believing it was a pocket listing. He did. He really did!) and offed Gay Guy Right.

Also, Gay Guy Right died thinking, "This just proves my mother was right about you all along."

Pill detox is a major investment of time.

Thanks for bringing this unfortunate story to light, OP. I'm sure that's all you were doing and not mocking the deaths of two gay men. These tragic stories can be found among marriages you would never suspect.

[quote] A loving husband and wife who enjoyed golf and travel.

[quote] A commercial airline pilot and a recently retired flight attendant who seemed happy and cared for three feral cats.

[quote] That’s how neighbors Sunday described Paul Le Poullouin, 61, and his 53-year-old wife, Claudia, who lived in a neat home in a quiet neighborhood on Southeast Merritt Way in southern Martin County.

Perhaps money doesn't buy happiness.

That kielbasa cannot POSSIBLY be Old Ruiz's dick in the shorts pic.

This could have been Colton Haynes and his hubby.

You had to do that, R12? She looks like she takes herself seriously and she's judging me.

r3, they were getting divorced.

Likely only one wanted out, the other killed him and then himself.

I think the older on the right is the shooter.

The smaller, older guy almost looks like he is being held hostage in the photos at the link - he looks fearful - or maybe that is just depression.

The smaller older guy who had no known profession was the sugar daddy. The younger guy with the "glamorous" job in fact didn't make much money. All show.

Another husband/wife tragedy. This one in San Antonio, TX

The younger guy looks fit, like he works out a lot and he has a successful career. Why would someone in his position kill himself. I think the older guy was depressed, (facing old age alone, depressed, has no career). Do the math.

Don't give Colton any ideas.

Dude on the right looks like Christoph Waltz (currently age 61).

Guns are how Americans solve their personal problems. They're both dead. No problem.

The tragedy of a murder/suicide involving a mother and her young son.

This murder/suicide involved a boyfriend and his pregnant girlfriend. Seven months pregnant and a good looking couple. Sadly, you just never know.

"Above and beyond circ status, [R4], can we try to answer [R3]'s question -- why would fabulous people leading fabulous lives, seemingly happily, suddenly decide to implode?"

Hasn't this happened as long as "fabulous lives" have been around. Plenty of people are unhappy, even miserable underneath the facade.

The guy on the right reminds me of that sad confused friend on Will and Grace.

Can we talk about this actual tragedy. We get that it happens to more than gay couples.

If you google their home, it was ridiculously overbuilt for that street. You can even see it in OP's link.

Lol - "fabulous lives" - he's schlepping face-paint and living in a 1.5M house.

They're home pic looks like a classic example of Houston's "no zoning". That house is within walking distance to those office park looking buildings.

[quote] Can we talk about this actual tragedy. We get that it happens to more than gay couples.

You don't want to discuss the actual tragedy, you want to make fun of them because they were gay. So fuck you and wanting to discuss your actual tragedy.

moral of story - don't live in the same house when you've decided to split-up.

Well, well, hall monitor, R32 has arrived.

Viewing the pictures of the couple at Op's link, one of the pictures (where the couple was sitting in a dining booth with red seats), the younger guy was considerably chubbier that he is at op link picture - i'm wondering if the younger lost a lot of weight and then decided to trade younger, or he gained a lot of weight and sugar daddy decided he wanted thinner....

Thank you, R28 for saying that.

Whoever is posting all these links to prove that straight white people also have issues, we know. We've been told that our whole freaking lives. This isn't lost on anyone. There are all sorts of people from all walks of life that struggle, even in situations that seem ideal. That is called the study of humanity.The understanding of human beings, regardless of who they are.

The fact that this is an attractive couple that seem to have built a fun and interesting life ended in a sad and tragic way is interesting. It's not because of any identifying characteristics. It's interesting because of the why. Life isn't easy, even for people that make it look easy. I find no joy in mocking anyone, regardless of looks, status, etc, for their struggles.

Thank you, r36, the real question is WHY?

[quote] The fact that this is an attractive couple that seem to have built a fun and interesting life

The key word is "seem."

These two were just a couple of the hundreds of queens across the globe maintaining a façade of wealth and happiness on social media.

I knew a gay couple who I thought were perfect until I found mugshots after they were both arrested for beating the shit out of each other. At least the had the dignity to just break up and not kill each other.

follow the money. no doubt they were over-extended and broke and one blamed the other.

R28: Alas...some people have terrible attention spans...

The hall monitor is so fucking obnoxious. We’re interested in this story for the same reason, prurient or not, that we’re interested in the Hart family or the Georgetown murder—-because they’re our people.

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[quote] Whoever is posting all these links to prove that straight white people also have issues, we know. We've been told that our whole freaking lives. This isn't lost on anyone. There are all sorts of people from all walks of life that struggle, even in situations that seem ideal. That is called the study of humanity.The understanding of human beings, regardless of who they are.

You sound sincere and articulate but then you seem to tolerate and participate with:

[quote] These two were just a couple of the hundreds of queens across the globe maintaining a façade of wealth and happiness on social media.

[quote] Lol - "fabulous lives" - he's schlepping face-paint and living in a 1.5M house.

That makes you a hypocrite. Or a liar.

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R44, I"m R36, and haven't posted anything else on this thread. So you attributing me to any other statements makes you a liar. I did not type either of those other statements.

The older dude is packin’!

This is really tragic. Some people see their lover as an actual possession. What a horrible ending to what was once probably a good relationship.

[quote] [R44], I"m [R36], and haven't posted anything else on this thread. So you attributing me to any other statements makes you a liar. I did not type either of those other statements.

Re-read what I wrote. I didn't attribute anything to you other than what you originally typed.

Do we think it was a shooting murder/suicide?

This type of domestic tragedy can be found in every state.

[quote]I find no joy in mocking anyone, regardless of looks, status, etc, for their struggles.

Then why the fuck are you on here?!?

Normally the person who was shot would probably now be enjoying eternal life with the Lord, but since they were living in sin, sadly that may not be the case.

R48 I'm not responsible for anyone's behavior other than my own. Do you want me to call out everyone and everything I don't like to prove a point? I'm not going to. Sometimes people and things have a way of working themselves out all on their own.

I guess these guys were Houston “hot.” Lots of fatties in that town because you have to drive everywhere. But a Houston 8 is a NYC 3, at best.

Oh Christ, r52. You’re gonna be really bummed out when you die.

Too much time on their hands. They should have volunteered at the Salvation Army.

Can you cunts who are hellbent on derailing the thread just take it somewhere else please?

Can you imagine bragging about vacations in Mexico?

R57, Define "derail."

Oh just fuck off R59.

Rare woman-on-woman murder suicide recently in leafy, affluent Radnor, PA, a desirable suburb of Philadelphia

Any Texas attorneys know how things would have worked out with the divorce?

Can one gay partner take the other to the cleaners?

R50 Cool, no one cares.

Houston homes are so overprices these days. That is an overpriced McMansion built on a nondescript street in a rather boring neighborhood surrounded by much smaller and older ranch homes. It has nothing going for it but the location, which is just so-so and not close to being a prestigious area like River Oaks or Tanglewood. The house might've added to their depression.

This made me fucking sad, especially after looking at their pics at OP's link. They looked like nice men. I hope they were. Damn heartbreaking situation.

Sad!!

At least they left the earth looking fabulous. The one on the left that is......

R65 "They looked like nice men. I hope they were."

Well one of them was a murderer, so...

Here you go, tasteful friends.

Which one was the bottom.? I say it was the one on the left.

Nice work R69.

I want to kill someone after seeing this.

Thanks to r69 for the investigative reporting.

This is treading into Liberace territory.

Very Louis Katorze!

R61 - horrible story of the soon to be ex wife lying in wait to shoot her husband’s g.f. dead. The murder victim had just moved to PA to start a new job/new life the week before at Villanova. She came from the Univ of Delaware where on the job, she met the husband of her murderer. Both of the women’s marriages were over: the murder victim was happy to move along but the shooter didn’t want to give up her man and marriage. She was going to make the other woman pay. The only innocent in the whole affair seems to be the husband of the murder victim. And, for accuracy’s sake: this did not happen in an upscale, affluent area of the Main Line. Lowry’s Lane is made up of primarily rental houses - duplexes like this one. Single family homes sell for 300-500k which is starter home territory on the Main Line.

Very tacky decor. Almost as bad as Georgette Mosbacher's place. Her old place is just a bit worse though.

R75 did the murdering wife seem a little unhinged leading up to the murder or was it just a normal day?

R61, thanks for the link. I know it’s wrong to be titillated by someone else’s tragedy, but I was.

The grandiosity of the house is painfully mitigated by the baby-crap-brown ranch house fifty feet away. LOL.

R78, I'm the same way. That woman must have been very scary in the final moments before shooting her husband's girlfriend.

Do not get married. It’s not worth your life.

The husband's girlfriend had left her own husband and was already living apart.

R77 -the shooter/jilted wife was really unhinged, as you suggest, and didn’t seem to care who knew it. She had posted on her area Neighborhood “Next Door Digest” asking for help with her marital woes. (Maybe you have the Next Door deal where you are: it’s an online, public place folks ask for names of the best pizza, names or landscapers or to announce tag sales). She posted two different times, asking first for a marriage counselor...then, days or weeks later, for names of really good divorce attorneys. It doesn’t seem like they had kids luckily, but they did rescue dogs. How can someone kind enough to save an animal blow a romantic rival’s head off?

That house screams delusions of grandeur ! I bet they were in debt up to their eyeballs. No real person lives like that,its all strictly to show off.

Which city has the worst gays in Texas? Houston or Dallas?

R83, I thought that also!

R80, it’s like a reverse “Fatal Attraction”!

Imagine coming home from work and finding your boyfriend’s angry wife standing there in your house. The terror! I couldn’t help but imagine the wife sitting in a high-backed swivel chair and slowly turning to face her rival/victim.

Yes, I’m sick.

My first reaction was the older one was the murderer but after reading the entire thread and seeing the pictures in Daily Mail, I've changed my mind and think the young one killed the older one. Just a hunch really, but in that picture of the older guy with the dog he looks like such a gentle soul.

R87 Did you see the murder suicide pact of the twin sisters with OCD?

They have some lovely pieces in that home and I like a lot of the woodwork and use of light. Interiors are fine for southern queens and many areas must have been excellent for entertaining.

Tragic end to 20 years together. So very sad.

I think the old guy supported the younger one. Not sure who the murderer was. Will they be able to identify the murderer via bullet wounds...?

Yes.

OP, this couple was not "glamorous." They lived in Houston, Texas, fer chrissakes. They are hicks.

Not hicks. By American standards they were glamorous - rubbed shoulders with celebs, 2nd home in PV, travelled internationally regularly. That's all it takes. We're not talking Euro aristos here.

As anyone who watches Dateline knows, these things are always about sex, money or both

Nah, R94. Texas. The taint of it is forever.

Yeah - not so glamorous. Houston, midrange neighborhood, a condo in PV - basically middle class LA or. NYC. Sad. Just watched War of the Roses - the comedy version of this. Passion and marriage do crazy things to people.

OMG, this 22 Year old female at OSU shot by her boyfriend.

So you think the average gay has a million dollar home and a second in PV?

If I were in the UK at the moment I'd go to a betting shop and put 100 on the Papi.

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If you need realtor, Dead Gay Son Mom's, I'm best in Houston!

So if it was Papi that did the killing, it was because he was fretting over losing the younger guy, and being by himself.

If it was the Cub that did the killing, it was because Papi was supporting him and he didn't want to lose the lifestyle he had come accustomed to.

Got it!

Poor dog.

I know how retarded it sounds, but I could never commit an act of violence at home because I wouldn’t want to traumatize or orphan my pup. He didn’t ask for human drama when he was up for adoption.

A mother daughter murder/suicide. What could have been so wrong in this mom's life?

The little one did it ... maybe he had money ...

No one cares about such random stories, R98. That couple was just a pair of over-hormonal students. Not married. Not rich. Not glamorous. No multi-million dollar house. Nothing mysterious about that case either (the murder culprit has already been identified, his likely motive as well). Case closed = Not newsworthy for DL.

Channel 2 Investigates reviewed court documents that showed each man had recently filed a temporary restraining against the other. Rene Ruiz filed for divorce March 29.

Rene Ruiz was in the oil and gas business. Benjamin Ruiz was a makeup artist.

Neighbors said they didn't see signs of trouble.

“We never saw them arguing, fighting. They were just a happy couple,” Joaquin Medellin said. "(They were) very active, you know, walking the dogs and friends with our kids, just good people. (They'd come to birthday parties or come to house parties.”

The younger of the two had a fantastic body, especially given his age. I would have done him in a heartbeat.

The house pretty much screams they're trying too hard. They have the same vibe as that horrible gay couple from the first season of "The Amazing Race," "Team Guido." I would not want to spend time with them (other than an hour fucking the younger one) no matter how fabulous they may have been. Knowing someone who has had close proximity to Brooke Shields is not really one of my life goals.

If the older guy filed, then I wonder if the younger one did it.

"Oil and gas" is vague, but there are a ton of related industries where one can make a lot of money.

R104, you have the right priorities. Even though I don't like yappy little dogs.

[quote] Knowing someone who has had close proximity to Brooke Shields is not really one of my life goals.

If only you had learned to aim high you might have gotten to be one of my gays.

I would assume the younger guy was originally a hairdresser or makeup artist, was even sexier when he was younger, and was kept by the older guy because of his great body. They then legitimized their relationship with a marriage.

Since the older (apparently richer) guy filed, I would guess the younger one either cheated on him or embezzled from him or both.

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First, Bar Bush dies and now this. Houston must be reeling.

R11, I'd love to find out.

R36 is so profound. Life is a battle that everybody loses, even the most pretend "successful" among us. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but why do men so often think they own somebody else's life and have a right to take it? (Yeah, yeah I know BettyBroderick and Jodi Hart, but the fact is women rarely think this way).

Their address was 4027 Markham St, Houston, TX 77027 (from a link posted above). If you paste the address into google maps you can see a 360 degree view of the neighborhood. Their fancy digs are smack in the middle of a neighborhood of modest, older ranch style homes and looks quite out of place. It's a block from a Costco and Panda Express and two blocks from a Burger King. They were probably severely depressed.

Trying again with a photo of the neighbor's house.

One more time. The neighbor's house. The deceased couple's house is to the left.

I'm with R40 and R84, this screams money issues.

[quote] I find no joy in mocking anyone, regardless of looks, status, etc, for their struggles.

You're beautiful...

Sad.

And they have the most expensive house on the street. It just looks out of place on that block.

With the street one block away from a busy thoroughfare.

I thought this was about Colton Haynes and his old man. You know how unstable he is.

So tired of self-proclaimed DL Content Police. Nice try at detailing the thread. You sure put a lot of effort into it. I think you may worry too much about whether someone else is making fun of you. Sounds like a personal problem.

The Sugar got tired of supporting the makeup artist and was dumping him. Mr Makeup couldn’t stand the idea of losing his comfy lifestyle and killed Mr $$$.

OK Papi files, house goes on the market, guys are quarreling in one of the bedrooms, one of them pulls a gun.

Still not clear which one, but it may be the younger one was roided up a bit and lost it.

That house is really awful. I'm sure in Houston you could find a beautiful house in a nicer setting for $1.5 million.

Actually, most of you are wrong about this. I knew both of them very well. Rene had filed for divorce while Benjamin was out of town on one of his Laura Mercier work trips; Benjamin came home to an empty house. Rene had left and moved in with a much younger man he had been seeing on the side. Depression, anxiety, money worry issues abounded on Benjamin's side. I never would have seen this coming, having spent birthdays, holidays, vacations with them over 20 years. The kindest people in the world and very generous, gracious friends.

🌷 RENE & BENJAMIN 🌷

TOGETHER 💑 FOREVER

What the fuck is "PV"????

I can’t believe there was only a decade age difference. That old man looks like he could’ve been his father.

Some of you keep calling that house a McMansion but I wonder about that.

It looks to me that the house was built sometime between the 1920-1940s. The woodwork and details are very nice and I think the wooden floors look like originals that you'd find in an older home.

The house just doesn't have the "off" proportions and cheap finishes of a McMansion. And the layout does not suggest a new build.

I find the outside of the house stylish.

I'm wondering if it was maybe one of the first homes on the street, perhaps surrounded by fields or wooded areas.

It looks like the kind of house that may have had "Mediterranean" touches like a tile roof or decorative embellishments that were later removed or replaced.

As far as the interior goes, these guys wanted the house to be something it just wasn't and never could be.... but their design sense wasn't entirely awful.

The problem is that they were trying to get there with reproduction furniture some of which is quite ugly.

This is the kind of house an interior designer like Darryl Carter could have done an appropriate job on.

NO, R134, they finished building it last year.

Zillow reports that the house was constructed in 2015.

Realtor.com reports it was built in 2014.

How embarrassing for you, R134.

I love how the DailyFail puts GAY coupe up front. Statistically there are more heterosexual murder suicides.

R136 LOL. No embarrassment on my part. As I said: "...but I wonder about that."

I wasn't sure, but if I had to bet... I would have said it was an older home. No cathedral ceiling? In Texas? No grand staircase?

Well, I was fooled.

$1.5m should be a leafy suburb without a high rise office tower in the background. 4000sq ft is NOT a mansion by any standard.

Am I the only one who doesn't know what the fuck Laura Mercier is? I mean - it's a brand of cosmetics apparently. There is no Laura Mercier - the name was bought by someone else.

Based on that - the younger one was a cosmetics queen who overspent and wanted a lavish lifestyle. The older one was the money and constantly trying to reel the younger one in.

Financial issues brought on by the younger one. Older one was fed up and realized his hard earned money was gone - and his younger husband would be gone too with another guy.

What do I win?

A McMansion is an oversized home built on a tiny lot that looks ridiculously out of place in its environs. Houston is full of homes and entire residential streets like this. They have ruined once pleasant-looking and historic neighborhoods. There's no zoning in the city to stop them.

[quote]What do I win?

A years supply of Laura Mercier Flawless Fusion Ultra-Longwear Concealer.

R140, there is an actual Laura Mercier makeup artist, but you’re correct she sold her name.

Houston is weird that way. You can build anywhere you want, basically. That why it is unzoned,. sprawled out and generally pretty damn ugly.

They seemed like the perfect couple. What went so wrong?

Here's the Laura Mercier guy in action.

He's good at selling that stuff. His clients must have loved him.

More than likely cops did it and made it look like a m/s.

I've been going through the younger partner's Instagram, and it seems that they were quite in love, enjoying travels, friends, and good times together. It's a shame how it all ended in such tragedy.

R148, people NEVER fake anything on Facebook, Instagram or anywhere else online.

It's all real.

r148 yeah Instagram and Facebook are such prime examples of reality.

I take it back - I think it was the younger one who killed the older one and killed himself.

I think it was the younger one too

And though it looks better than some McMansions, it is clearly one when you see the surrounding buildings

R130 thanks for the inside scoop. I love DL - crowdsourced inside info. Not surprising the one with the obsession about appearing rich and fabulous on social media had issues. The one who didn’t bother with social media just wanted to live a happy life. Obsession with money and glamour is a dead end road.

Re: the house. If it was a few blocks east it may be worth $1.5MM but it is still a pretty good location for Houston. I found in Houston, being near high rises and commercial areas is a plus. “Inside the loop” is prime real estate. Close to everything - from a Texas viewpoint. But I would definitely not pay $1.5MM in that block. Nicer houses on nicer blocks nearby for around the same price.

I usually find an indirect correlation between happiness and what’s being posted on social media.

[quote]The kindest people in the world

Apparently not, since one is a murderer.

Be careful what you wish for.

Is it that hard to determine the shooter in a murder suicide? Someone needs to shoot themself last!

[quote]Rene had filed for divorce while Benjamin was out of town on one of his Laura Mercier work trips; Benjamin came home to an empty house. Rene had left and moved in with a much younger man he had been seeing on the side.

That also doesn't sound like something a kind person would do.

The house is listed for 1 million, not 1.5 million.

ONE MILLION. Don't you queens read the links?

Whose gun was it?

Say what you will about the younger one but he had fucking awesome legs. Delicious!!

[quote]Depression, anxiety, money worry issues abounded on Benjamin's side.

Wow...a nice career, traveled, was handsome....

Oh, calm down, r149, r150. Appearances can be deceiving, but it did seem that all was well. The younger guy apparently enjoyed his life, family, and friends, and would warmly respond to the comments made on his pictures. I could seem him being stunned and crushed by this surprise divorce.

R162, depression and anxiety can’t be cured by $$$. Sometimes meds are necessary.

R161. Could you have handled the purses flying in all directions?

R165 that’s what pillows are for.

So how old is the younger side piece? How does a 62 year old get an even hotter, younger boyfriend than that one? He’s in good shape and good genes but still..

It appears they lived in Houston because René, was in the oil and gas business. Benjamin was a make up artist. It looks like René was the one who filed for divorce and a restraint order.

I still can’t tell which is which. Sorry.

Well, it’s sad it came to this.

[quote]Appearances can be deceiving, but it did seem that all was well.

I don't get those of you trying to normalize all this. "They were completely wonderful people who wouldn't hurt a fly! Er, except for the older guy moving out on the younger guy without telling him, and then the restraining orders, and then the murder/suicide... but those are mere hiccups we can ignore! They were normal lovely people!"

Face reality: this couple was incredibly fucked up and was hiding it.

Not incredibly fucked up. Shakespearean.

Isn't this the plot of "The Lisbon Traviata"?

Further evidence of the stupidity of owning a gun. Without a gun, this would not have happened almost guaranteed.

Gun owning people are just plain stupid because they ignore the FACT that having a gun is not correlated with protection, BUT it has an incredibly high correlation with suicide and domestic violence. The main thing owning a gun does is significantly increase the likelihood of “successful” suicide and domestic murder. This is why my tolerance does not extend to gun owners - they ignore FACTS in favor of the instinct of fear which only leads to hate and senseless violence. They harm the world.

What is glamorous about being dead?

Log Cabin Rethugs???

This news report recaps the incident.

Did the older man divorce the cosmetologist for a younger boy?

r172 Well, pardon me while I play the grand piano, Dorothy.

If gramps is 62 Im your monkeys uncle! Hes well preserved,but pushing 70 easily. Now hes dead for fucking around with young bitches,who wanted nothing from him but MONEY.

R170 we don't really that there were restraining orders against each other, Rene moving out leaving Benjamin to come home to an empty home. That's just what some random typed here on DL. I know what's presented on social media is often very misleading. I think one of these guys just lost his mind in moment of anger and grief, as anyone who's ever been in a breakup can relate to. I think the younger was the shooter.

Since they were married I wonder if their families will hold a joint funeral. Talk about awkward.

It's a lovely home. Very tasteful, and I'm sure will be a popular listing. Lots of amenities, upgrades, pool etc.

I would like to see Christophe Waltz and Liev Schreiber playing the couple.

Maria Conchita Alonso as the make-up magnate Mercier.

Brooke Shields does a cameo as herself.

^.

Miguel Gómez as the younger lover.

The Hershey Highway is a dangerous road after a certain age!

Rene (62) was attached to something called Frontera Gas Supply, Inc. His father is Jesus.

Benji's (52) maiden name is Marshall.

Sounds like a bottom gone crazy. Rene, the older top, found a younger bottom, and the prior one went nuts and shot him. Doubt this will be reported as such, though.

No one will ever suspect it!

[quote] Further evidence of the stupidity of owning a gun. Without a gun, this would not have happened almost guaranteed.

Guns don't kill people.

Shallow Latin American kept musclebears kill people.

Don't hate me cuz I'm beautiful...

R177. Yes. The younger boy, Joel, is inconsolable.

Lol, R189, that's pretty funny.

“Bottom Gone Crazy. Details at ten.”

I just want to gloat that I called this first at R18, that this was a sugar daddy who supported a younger man with folie de grandeur, but not the income.

[quote] [R170] we don't really that there were restraining orders against each other,

It was reported in the news that they in fact did:

"Channel 2 Investigates reviewed court documents that showed each man had recently filed a temporary restraining against the other."

A dual restraining order? The plot thickens!

[quote] Two men, who police said had been married for 22 years...

Not possible in the U.S.

So why were they both in the house at the same time? That's a big no-no.

R198 good catch! When did MA first allow gay marriage? It wasn’t 22 years ago. And DOMA was only struck down in 2013.

"A dual restraining order?"

After that sissy boy slap party?

Yes R195 you get the trophy.

Being a creative director isn't what it sounds. He's probably one of many and/or a part-time freelance makeup artists for the brand. That doesn't mean big bucks. It's not even a really well known brand.

He's going to lose his hubby, money and knows he's got nothing to fall back on. The hubby was tired of his shit.

Chris Rock said something once - no matter how beautiful a person is, there is someone somewhere that's tired of their shit.

r192, what's going to happen to Mitzi?

! right you are R202

Surely the young one would get a divorce settlement? Especially after being dumped. Maybe she was stupid and signed a prenup.

MOAR Benji

Absolute silence from Brooke Shields’ Twitter.

Worse than Susan Fucking Dey.

R206, yeah, that post certainly puts an ironic touch to all of this.

Notice in Gramps pictures he always has sad eyes. I think he was done with Benji a long time ago.

Sounds like they were pillars of leadership in the Texas LGBTQI community of Texas!

Now I want the entire film to be shot from the POV of the dog, like in The Lady in the Lake.

There would be an extended take of them remoing all the throw pillows off the bed before they settled into mediocre sex, all under a watchful canine eye.

We all know they hadn’t had sex with each other in years

Has Anderson Cooper reported on this story yet? Or does it hit a little too close to home.

You guys are terrible.

Funny, but terrible.

[quote]Further evidence of the stupidity of owning a gun. Without a gun, this would not have happened almost guaranteed.

They would have still killed each other with a knife, bomb, bazooka, grenadine, ray gun, laser, phaser, ninja stars, darts, poison, whatever. Where there is a will, there is a way.

Two fancy fruits on drugs. B.O.R.I.N. G..........

Oh, Gawd! I find myself agreeing with Erna.

Shoot me.

Wait, the police are not telling yet who shot who?

Seems like good a premise for a gay soap premiere episode... 2 dead bodies, with bullet holes in their heads. we wont know who killed them until the finale.

[quote] The kindest people in the world >>>>Apparently not, since one is a murderer.

It's not important how many people I've killed. What's important is how I get along with the people who are still alive.

There would have been no death without a gun. The ease of killing with a gun makes it exponentially more likely to kill than maim - suicide and murder. There is a difference = grabbing a gun in the heat of the moment and simply pulling a trigger that shoots a bullet that is intended to kill vs attacking someone or oneself with a knife which is likely to cut. Never keep a gun in the house.

Chemsex party gone awry. There is more to this story. I hope Ryan Murphy is writing the script.

They both reached for the gun!

That bottom... those leggs!!! What a waste. Shame on that old fart for this. May he rot in hell. He had it coming.

Daddy had already moved out and moved on. He had a new boy. It was the make up queen, probably with a meth problem, who flipped out on Daddy. Put money on it.

Daddy had the money. Any money put toward the purchase of that house had to have come from Daddy. When the house is sold and Daddy got his down payment back and the broker is paid, etc., etc., the make up queen was going to get about $1.98.

If they had gotten married 20 years ago, then they would be splitting things 50/50 and this might not have happened. But same-sex marriage is a recent development and this marriage would be viewed by the court as short-term. Because, unfortunately, it was. Homophobia at work here.

The bottom's legs and torso are indeed remarkable for a man of 52.

The whole Houston non-zoning thing is so odd. Some cities could stand to (and some do) loosen up their zoning, especially if trying to revitalize depressed areas. But, to have zoning this loose seems crazy.

It's just Texas-sized ignorance, R226.

Cain't have the guv'ment tell ya whut to do with yer own dadblamed land!!!

Here in Dallas we have zones, of course.

Not like that landfill Houston.

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So Grandma was the top?

R229 are those fake plastic abs?

That looks like an AIDS body.

I can't believe this queen put Laura Mercier as part of his Instagram name. What if he had gotten fired or decided to take another job? He would have been stuck with that name for the rest of his life. I've seen this happen with reporters who put ABC or CNN as part of their Twitter or Instagram handle and then they get fired. And then uh huh, they're stuck with the name of a station they're fired from. Now they have to create a new account and rebuild their millions of followers from scratch.

It would be interesting to know who owned the gun and when it was bought.

R5 "...seemingly happy..."

Appearances can be deceiving.

They were young and they had each other

But just WHO shot WHO?!

I began the thread thinking the sad older looking guy was the killer with the himbo dumping him, but the later information indicates I probably had it exactly backwards. Go figure.

Maybe they both fell on the gun and it fired?

Was it throw pillow related violence?

R202. Although Laura Mercier is a small or "boutique" brand, it's well known.

Maybe Laura Mercier herself did it. Look at all the free publicity!

the bottom was packin' heat no doubt. do they have those ridiculous conceal and carry bullshit guns laws in Texas?

It may be only Papi's name is on the deed. That'll drive a bottom to madness.

Adds new meaning to the term power bottom.

[quote]I began the thread thinking the sad older looking guy was the killer with the himbo dumping him, but the later information indicates I probably had it exactly backwards. Go figure.

That is what assumptions will get one.

The Laura Mercier brand was started by the less glamorous-sounding Janet Gurwitch, pictured right.

The conspiracy runs deep.

WHICHEVER was the killer he knew he may as well kill himself, since no way could he escape the law in Texas.

This is what happens when you call someone a fatty to their face

Lol, r248!

I think the older one is hotter.

Questions - did they have a prenup that cut out the young one? - how much did they pay for the house and in whose name was it? -are there any benefits to living someplace without zoning? - how do they keep River Oaks streets (right nearby) all residential ? - whose gun was it?

[quote] If gramps is 62 Im your monkeys uncle!

He's not anything now but carrion.

r251, why do you think any of us would now answers to those questions?

Sorry, "know," not "now"

In his Instragram, the younger one constantly called his Yorkie Victoria "#theloveofmylife". So the love of his life wasn't his husband. Why would he kill himself and leave his poor dog alone and traumatized?

He also called himself Victoria's grandfather. That's weird. Wouldn't most people just say they're their dog's dad?

Guns kill

[quote] Guns kill

See r190.

[quote] Why would he kill himself and leave his poor dog alone and traumatized?

Well if it's good enough for CDC doctors....

anyone know what brand his bathing trunks are from in r229? i'd like to shop for some.

Two quick-titted angels got the dope on what went down

[quote] anyone know what brand his bathing trunks are from in [R229]? i'd like to shop for some.

Maybe you could bring the photo into a swanky department store and say, "I want to look just like this guy who just murdered his husband."

WTF is Der Perfekte Teint? Sounds kinky to me.

Daily Mail tries to sell this sordid story of 2 striver queens in an embarrassingly garish new-build tract house in fucking Houston as some kind of 1%er meltdown -- c'mon boys, this is just embarrassing. $1M would not land one a nice condo in a decent part of Texas, much less in SF or New York.

I hope the desairologist is familiar with Laura Mercier products.

R233, he doesn't have to worry about his Instagram name now, does he?

This is my new shade of lipstick, Murder Suicide Red.

thoughts and prayers

[quote]How does a 62 year old get an even hotter, younger boyfriend than that one?

Oh, bless you. I wish I was this naive.

The older one is way hotter to me. The younger one looks like a nightmare to be around for more than a minute.

Did Grandma have 'work done'?

Jessica would have solved this at first glance of the picture of them together. The younger one looks like the Botox made him crazy!

People who smile incessantly are usually bad news.

R251: In Houston, private deed restrictions in certain neighborhoods operate much like public zoning ordinances.

That house is not a tract home. If you go up and down the street on Google maps you can see that the neighborhood is primarily older, ranch style homes with a few, much larger, newer McMansions sprinkled in here and there, Theirs is not the only one, which makes me think the lots are prized more for the land than the homes. They (or their builder) may have bought an old tear down and built a new house 2-3x larger on the same lot. This is very common in certain towns in NJ and NY that are close (or commutable by train) to NYC. Land is so valuable and lots so hard to find in those areas that tear downs are the only way to get new construction. Why anyone would want to do this in Huston, TX, I don't know. Aren't there zillions of homes just like this one (new construction, small lot, 4000 sf, etc) available in brand new tract home developments there?

The bottom was hot!!! Woof! GORGEOUS!!

R274 It's all about location. Houston is densely populated inside the Loop, where this home is located. Land is difficult to find for homes.

R274 is rght. Lots are quite expensive in relatively close-in neighborhoods. In many cases, the tax appraisal district values the land significantly more than the improvement. And property taxes aren’t cheap by any means.

Whodunnit????

That house which you all secretly covet would be lovely on a larger more appropriate lot.

I'm interested to learn how they ended up in the house together when they both had filed restraining orders.

R279 - probably picking up some stuff or a discussion over the house sale. Or - most likely - some ruse by the younger to get the older one in there so he could kill him.

“I’m pregnant, and the baby is yours!”

The older one looks like he’s into scat or k9.

I bet these guys thought they were “elevating” the neighborhood with their Ken and Barbie dream house on the postage-stamp-sized lot. “They should THANK us for raising property values!”

There’s a very expensive condo two doors down from me. It’s a converted parking garage and they go for $10mil for a 4,000 sq ft unit. The roof space looks out onto the sides of other buildings and a giant HVAC unit. Those people pay $10 mil for the privilege of watching me cook breakfast in my underwear.

The doorman is really hot, though.

It's really bizarre to me that the #1 subject on this thread has been property values in Houston.

Are you new around here, r284?

According to tax records, both were listed as the property owners with Rene listed first.

More property info can be found by doing a search on the Harris County Appraisal District website. Just search by address: 4027 Markham.

Fuck you R281 ! I now have a keyboard coated with coffee!

Move Over, Mrs. Markham

Which one was the killer?

Perhaps neither one was the killer.

Interesting how this became a hot DL thread. Lessons for hot threads: divorcing gay couples, excessive Instagram posing, home design pics, gay on gay crime.

I'm waiting for the funeral photos.

Looking at the photos made us think of that Liberace movie, Behind the candelabra!

Houston is like Atlanta and similar spread out cities, “inner ring” neighborhoods are now highly sought because people are sick of wasting their lives in terrible traffic.

What is The Loop?

R295 loop = death...squirrels

610 is the Loop.

Were there 2 dogs?

If the one man talked about his Yorkie? And there is a picture of the older guy hugging a small dog that did not look like a Yorkie.

So, are there now 2 orphan dogs?

Ben was getting kicked to the curb, which I understand given his delusions/insanity, but I wander what kind of young side piece Rene pulled down? Bought and paid for I’m sure but if Rene had a big dick and was a rough top, he could have had a wider choice. That twins must be reeling right now. As for Ben, Texas divorce is brutal on the non-monied spouse right? That’s probably what drove him to the edge. They were underwater on that overbuilt, over decorated house. He wasn’t going to see a dime from it and Rene’s other assets were probably off limits. That neighborhood won’t catch up for a good 7 years if it ever does. Gay marriage might be legal everywhere but Texas judges would have no sympathy for Miss Ben. His Instagram reminds me a little of Anderson cooper’s new Texas gaggle of pals. $50-thousand dollar millionaires!

^ that twink, hate autocorrect

[quote] Interesting how this became a hot DL thread.

I hope the thread derailer who tried SO hard with his random murder posts is handling his grief.

Too bad Ben couldn’t present more as butch/masc. All he had to do was stop shaving the chest, grow it out to match those hot hairy legs, and gone after the monied bottoms of Houston. Would have been an option for after the divorce.

Regardless of who is responsible, the crime is that Ben is gone... those leggs!!!

R302 Not only that but wealthy women love that sort of gay man and their husbands feel safe if they have friendships with guys like that. He could have gone into other professions in the high-end market: decorating, real estate...

But he was obviously a very troubled soul.

[quote] Are you new around here, [R284]?

Actually I've been on this forum for seventeen years.

[quote] Interesting how this became a hot DL thread. Lessons for hot threads: divorcing gay couples, excessive Instagram posing, home design pics, gay on gay crime.

Don't forget that Ben had a great body. That will do it every time.

R115 If Ben was a real friend of Brooke Shields he would have told her to cut her hair.

r304, Ben did have great Real Estate Agent-face!

[quote]Interesting how this became a hot DL thread. Lessons for hot threads: divorcing gay couples, excessive Instagram posing, home design pics, gay on gay crime.

So basically any Colton Haynes thread.

To the poster up-thread who said yes, "Joel" is inconsolable in response to a question about the new boyfriend... did Rene run off with his massage therapist? Seems IRL Ben and Joel were the closer friends but jeez, you never know.

[quote]R292 I'm waiting for the funeral photos.

I'm still waiting for my invite [bold] : ( [/bold]

I'll entertain!

[quote]r298 Were there 2 dogs? Is the one the man talked about his Yorkie? And there is a picture of the older guy hugging a small dog that did not look like a Yorkie.

This could have been what set the whole thing off...a secret "side pet" he refused to share.

[quote]r307 If Ben was a real friend of Brooke Shields he would have told her to cut her hair.

She DID cut down on the mousse...

Why hasn't Rene's new younger BF stepped forward?

Who found the bodies?

[quote]the monied bottoms of Houston

Don't GIVE me ideas!

Benjamin had hair plugs, no?

Who was the murderer? Why did they have restraining orders?

R316 - Andy, wow you and Ben should start a movement. Oh wait...

This a tragic story. Why did they kill each other?

Were they married in the Church?

R320 The police haven't yet announced who the initial shooter was, I think, but the Keyboard Detective Frauen on this thread have deduced the younger one was dumped by the older one, flipped out at the thought of beginning again with limited options, and opened fire.

We also think they're broke.

Did René, the older top have a new, younger hairdresser boyfriend?

The older one did it.

The younger one was hot enough to get another sugar daddy.

The older one knew it was over for him as a 61 year old who looked even older. No market for that, no matter how much money you have. So instead of spending life alone or in a laughable Calvin Klein/Nick Gruber situation, he took them both out.

"Initial shooter". WTF? This was murder/suicide not a shoot out.

"Initial shooter" would be the one who survived to then kill themselves.

[quote] This a tragic story. Why did they kill each other?

If only there were 319 preceding posts explaining it to you!

We don't think they were both broke; we think the younger one was going to be left broke after he was dumped.

R326. Oh, dear.

R130, please don't take our bitchiness to heart.

I am sorry that you lost your friends.

If only the good homosexual had a gun, so he could shoot the bad homosexual.

R176, I think Rene was going to run off with that reporter at the house.

The devasting the Houston gay community. Will there be a community memorial service for them this week? Or a candlelight vigil?

Yeah, great friends, R130. Just be glad you weren't at the house when the fireworks started.

If there hadn't been a gun the older guy would have just throw his martini at the younger one's face and that would have been the end of it.

[quote]R30 I knew both of them very well. Rene had filed for divorce while Benjamin was out of town on one of his Laura Mercier work trips; Benjamin came home to an empty house. Rene had left and moved in with a much younger man he had been seeing on the side. Depression, anxiety, money worry issues abounded on Benjamin's side.

In other words, I was right!

Rene's new boyfriend must be in shock.

He's lucky to be alive.

Maybe he won't be so quick to hook up with a married man next time?

Are we sure it's a murder/suicide?

Rene should have heeded the wisdom of decades past

The little homewrecker may as well have loaded the gun himself.

Well-done, DL. I feel as if I've lived through the whole story by reading your posts above.

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[quote]R343 Well-done, DL. I feel as if I've lived through the whole story by reading your posts above.

You're welcome.

This Posting is one of the most compelling and heartbreaking I have read on DL. After 22 years that ANY close relationship should end in mutual deaths is horrific. Who here has not hoped to have this close, connected and shared relationship in their life? To see what 'appeared' to be for a gay man the "wished for life" home friends dogs vacations and style end in murder?! Heartbreaking and tragic for all involved and those that knew and loved each man and their families. ⌚

OMG. I'm crying as I type. My heart goes out.

Should have spoken to Vera Donovan, first...

Grandma had some lovely very white dentures!

Older one really does look like the German actor Christolphe Waltz.

She has those feminized eyes that can come only from a brow and/or upper lid lift.

Anyone who thinks being all high-handed and moving out of the house while your partner is away - think again. The younger husband obviously felt a deep sense of betrayal - who wouldn’t? - and the action obviously exacerbated his considerable anxieties about the future.

Abusing your power is never a good idea. The way you say goodbye is the most important part of any relationship, obviously. This could’ve been avoided if there was more kindness involved in their parting and if all parties felt provided for. Divorce/separation is never good when it becomes about revenge, as it so often very quickly does.

^^moving out of the house while your partner is away *is a good idea* - think again...

Or, R335, slapped Ben silly.

Be suspicious of any beneficiaries.

Has Deb Messing commented yet?

Yes, coddle the crazy. That way your bullet hole will be in your back.

If the older guy was shacked up ahead of the divorce papers, moving out quietly and safely was certainly justified. Leaving the partner to discover this all at once is cruel but do we know that was the case.

The deadly mistake here was not a stealthy exit, it was letting oneself be alone with jilted husband afterwards.

Consider what R346 says. If they had just been wounded, the one who pulled the trigger would probably have regretted the crime after a few months.

Obviously a heated crime of passion and revenge.

I would have handled things differently.

If he can't have him NOBODY can.

[quote] As for Ben, Texas divorce is brutal on the non-monied spouse right?

Texas is a community property state, so 50/50 split.

Don't listen to R352. His advice sucks.

I have NO idea what went down between these two particular men, but the existence of cross restraining orders suggests there was a history of violence between them. Judges do not place people under such court orders without evidence. If you are in a relationship that is plagued by violence, then moving out while the violent partner is away is the absolute best way to do it. Plan it carefully. Have the best support network you can put together. Move when the partner is away.

You should also do a lot of other things that these guys did not do. First of all, obey court orders! They were legally restrained from meeting one another, but did it anyway. And they did it in the worst way possible.

Once things get so bad that you and partner have court orders restraining each of you from talking to the other, understand that things are really bad. Communicate, if necessary, through your lawyers. If you want to cozy up to the person you once swore under oath was a threat to your safety, then go to court and ask the judge to lift the order.

Blah blah blah

R362 Good advice.

[quote]the existence of cross restraining orders suggests there was a history of violence between them.

Interesting though that the make-up guy's Instagram account shows them in vacation together in January. Perhaps the breakdown of their relationship and violence (or threats of violence) were recent.

Probably some little Latino twink came in between them

R361 - got it. At this stage the only community property was the house, which was probably underwater given all the overimprovements and overbuilding. 50% of negative equity meant $0 for poor Ben. I’m sure Rene had a boy toy, that can drive even a level headed bottom to the edge, much less a crazy one like Ben.

The Hershey Highway is the road to......death!

When will they announce the shooter? I imagine there will be liability issues with Rene’s premarital assets should it be shown he did it - but I bet it was Ben.

Oddly enough, this may bring a kind of fucked-up, lurid, camp glamour to the street. If the Real estate boom continues I bet you’ll see the next couple of tear downs and spec-houses go up soon. Especially if it’s a good location like everyone says - this will stick out for gay and millennial homebuyers who love internet gossip. Crime of passion are viewed differently and the dogs were not hurt. Poor guys, this may be the neighborhood catalyst they were otherwise hoping for.

For a view of the murder-suicide through what I guess would be the alt-right lens, take a look at these comments.

Good to hear that another member of our well-regulated militia is responsibly exercising his constitutional right.

Ryan Murphy could bid on the house while the crime scene tape is still up and then shoot the story on the premises. He could even get the new bottom boy to portray himself for extra realness.

R345 LOL

I can assure you that our neighbor's son Joel had NOTHING to do with this...

R371 - Preach!

It seems that we never get a follow up on these cases.

Remember the Chicago professor who murdered his BF with the help of a Brit guy in Chicago? DL had more than one lively thread about those two... but there's no more info about them.

It'll probably be the same with this case... even more so since both are dead.

Ask me no questions and I will tell you no lies...

R371 - I would expect boy toy to be ready for his close-up right away! Query as to how many guys he’ll give his number to (or try to suck off) at Rene’s funeral...God this is so sad but so f***ing typical of these vapid queens...

[quote]I would expect boy toy to be ready for his close-up right away!

If it were me I'd throw myself on the coffin.

Does boy toy get the house? Will secret letters and pledges be revealed??

I think that this was an ongoing domestic violence situation. It’s not easy to kill someone. Thankfully, most people on earth will never do it.

These two kept up appearances, but I’d bet good money that a pattern of domestic violence precluded this incident.

Suppose Rene was the shooter, could Ben’s family sue and get Rene’s pre-marital assets and business?

Updated

R381 So the bottom that got dumped for a much younger bottom did it as many correctly suspected

Yup! And not surprisingly he was a hypocritical liberal gun grabber according to his Facebook posts! How hilarious that she had such strong convictions against guns (even just a month ago) and then went on to become a gun shooting murderess!

[quote] At this stage the only community property was the house,

How do you know?

From R181 link:

[quote] after a close and longtime friend of the couple got a disturbing text.

I hope they reveal what it said.

So the old nelly-looking one was the 'top'?

Autopsy: Younger Ben killed older Rene.

OMG, did you see the neighbor being interviewed in the video in R181's link (the bottom video)? It was "Joel"!

I meant R382's link.

[quote]Yup! And not surprisingly he was a hypocritical liberal gun grabber according to his Facebook posts!

If the "hypocritical gun grabbers" had their way (our way), far fewer of these crimes of passion would occur.

Jesus, I don't why, but I somehow thought the Republicans had kind of given up on homophobia. Freerepublic shows that they've doubled down on it.

Republicans have become the party of "hate everyone who's not a straight white middle American Christian."

If he hadn't killed himself, could he have argued the Terra Cotta Defense? Like the Twinkie Defense? The chemicals in his botox and makeup drove him insane?

The kooks on freerepublic hate republicans like Bush and McConnell more then they hate gay guys or Hillary. They're too liberal. Once upon a time they had sane people there but like on democratic underground, they were purged away over the years.

R385 - maybe not the only community property - but if there was substantially more I’m not sure Ben would have gone this far this soon...Gay or straight, Texas trades in a tawdry way on money and looks. He still had his look would be lucky to get a shared 2 bedroom in Sugarland...

The bottom was messed up. She be crazy. Sodomy is anything but “gay” - a disgusting practice of the reprobate mind, utterly darkened by narcissism, and the demonic insatiable desire to possess that to which one has no right. Intrinsically disordered, diametrically opposed to life, and by its very nature violent. According to saint Catherine of Sienna, even the demons, being angelic in their original nature, flee such a depraved creature.

If he was so opposed to guns, how did he get a gun in the first place? Had he always had a gun? Did he just buy one?

I'm just glad Brooke Shields is ok.

""If you want to cozy up to the person [who is a] threat..."

Wear a suit of armour.

And it all ended in the bathroom???

We didn’t even get bathroom shots when we took that realtor’s photo tour of the home.

I’m just glad the pups are ok. Screw these two losers.

I wonder if the original intent was to scare the older husband. Emotions got out of hand, a fatal shot was fired, the younger realized the what he had done and then turned the gun on himself.

Older guy yelled dramatically "You're too much of a chicken shit to shoot!" Bam! Thud. "Oh my God! Fuuuuuuck! What did I do? Fuuuuck! Oh my God! Rene?!!" Bam! Thud.

I read a retired cop's blog (or book maybe) many years ago, and the one line that stuck with me was, "You'd be surprised how many people's last words are, "You don't have the guts to shoot me.'"

DONT EVER SAY THAT TO ANYONE.

This is also a goodie

Who gets the house and cash?

The Botoxed Bottom shot his husband "several times" - it wasn't just a random shot that went awry. He blasted Rene to death repeatedly.

Quit trying to defend the make-up queen just because you think he's hot.

R407, what a great idea! Botox for bungholes!

Told ya I was hard core

Marriage license was from 2016, probably not a lot of community property. Ben was fucked and not the good way.

R398 - it’s called “virtue signaling”, done quite a bit nowadays.

After being together for more than 20 years, Benjamin was still referring to his husband as his 'honey' just one year ago. And they seemed to have a picture perfect life. With the best of everything.

I usually find those perfect posts annoying. But maybe it's just my own jealousy.

What a difference a year makes! Now I can't stop my own schadenfreude. I'm bad.

I don't feel schadenfreude about this. Who were they harming when alive? I knew a sugar daddy who was murdered. He was increasingly lost in his delusions but he didn't deserve that!

Til Death Do Us Part: The Ben Ruiz Story

Bigger in death than life.

Hell hath no fury like a bottom scorned.

The new bottom isn't even pretty just young enough that everything sticks up...

"...I can't stop my own Schadenfreude. "

Join the crowd. We're at Yankee Stadium.

Shot him three times. Just shows Ben was really pissed and out of control. I imagine we'll get a drug report in some weeks showing Ben was hopped up.

DLers in or near Houston come on, go to the funerals and report back, svp.

[quote] You should also do a lot of other things that these guys did not do. First of all, obey court orders! They were legally restrained from meeting one another, but did it anyway. And they did it in the worst way possible.

You mean, with a gun?

Pups

Are you sure they weren't straight?

Who is the young guy between them? Could that be the youngster Rene dumped Ben for?

PLEASE tell me he didn't shoot those dogs

R422 I assume he's their fat friend's boy toy. Rene saw his friends were all upgrading for younger pieces and wanted to do the same.

R423, I think you are correct. R422, the fat friend is in the news video, he's the one who got the disturbing text that sent the police.

Wow the fraus on his instagram loved Ben, are they aware he was a jealous murderer?

R425, I prefer "prosperous."

"Stocky".

The only way I can think that ugly house is worth $1.5 million (in Houston especially) is if the pipes are all made of gold. It looks like a cracker box house built in a not so great area with office buildings practically on top of it.

I'm betting the young one with the perky brows is the one who murdered the old guy. The young one looks like he was probably a prissy queen trying to look butch, and you can never trust them.

R430 your bet is correct but your'e also like 100 posts late dear

[quote] I'm betting the young one with the perky brows is the one who murdered the old guy.

Well hon, given that's what the coroners report released said as reported above, you'd be right.

READ THE THREAD BEFORE YOU POST.

Hey Guy in Houston,

Please tell us the dogs are being adopted by friends.

Thanks

The gays in Houston who knew them must be reeling over this.

They appeared to have a large social circle, where they entertained often, or were often entertained.

I would love to see someone who really knew them well, post. No way were these two just fabulous and perfect. There had to be some ugly underpinnings for such a heinous end to it all.

[quote]r401 And it all ended in the bathroom??? We didn’t even get bathroom shots when we took that realtor’s photo tour of the home.

Maybe it was all just an argument about wallpaper, gone terribly wrong?

Was the Ben using steroids

^ OMG was thinking the same thing. He had the build of someone a quite a bit younger. Would explain a lot.

You would have already discussed roids 250 posts ago if you'd read the thread.

Maybe it was sterroids?

If you want to ask questions or raise theories, then read the whole damned thread first.

I am reading the autopsy report. This was a violent murder. Ben the makeup artist may have been on steriods and other drugs. Now we know why René was the first to place a restraining order on Ben!

R440 I am saying that steroids can cause mood swings, and maybe the younger one, Bert, was perhaps on them for bodybuilding ( they are sometimes used for that because they build muscle mass.)

Anyway, One has to be quite angry to fire a gun (and the couple was together for 10 years, at least) so that takes a LOT of anger/emotion/whathaveyou. My theory is: the sterroids he was taking for body-building/muscle-mass caused a mood swing, CAUSING him to shoot the gun....killing the older one.

Get it?

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Am I the only one who hates Ben's suit at R441?

Rene's restraining on Ben was useless to stop the murderer.

I wonder if they fought over the gun.

Three shots to Rene: leg. torso, head.

Earlier above they said his social media was of the gun-grabber persuasion. It only stands to reason he'd be a lousy shot.

R443 Dum dum, read the thread.

What was the text message sent by the murderer, Ben to his friends that alerted the police?

In the spirit of it all, the young Latino in Reply 422 might just be worth killing for. He's darlin'! Let's hear more about her--or is she a top, maybe?

The rage of the soon to be ex. Is beyond disturbing! With so many social outlets, career and relative youth and wherewithall how pathetic. Makes one not want to ever go out on a date again!!!

Wow so one of these guys killed the other? Any guesses which one? My theory is the older one had a side piece and was going to dump the younger one. Which one is the older? Or maybe it could have been fumes coming off all the finishes in their fabulous luxury decor. And pictures of the house?

A life of conspicuous consumption, artifice, and fac¿ade. Make-up, indeed.

We must have had a hundred contacts with fancy fruits like that. Thank God we left after an hour or less with hundreds of dollars in our pocket!

R452 No one knows...it's a complete mystery!

R452 and r455 have You not read any of the previous posts or autopsy report in links above?

The older one looks a bit like Nancy Reagan.

Do you think steroids could have been involved. I can see them being taken in that ugly cracker box house, that's not worth $1.5 million, especially in Houston!

And no, I didn't read the rest of this 450+ reply thread because I have a life and I don't have time to rummage through the miscellany of most huge threads.

I don't know about the steroids R458, good theory! But reported upthread was oxy and meth and both of them linked to a Mexican cartel and supplying Houston's gay scene and society types too. The sidepiece with the horsecock has a record but may have been an undercover stooge. He's disappeared, suspicious, huh? What do you think?

I am starting to wonder if anyone clicks on and reads the news updates throughout the thread. I am now at approx. R250, and everyone is still questioning who killed who and then shot himself. A piece from the Houston newspaper 50 posts earlier stated that the younger shot the elder.

You guys are bright as hell. You are sharp and witty as fuck.

How could you miss a rather salient detail such as a news update?

I realised yesterday my boss rarely reads emails from staff, R460, and you're just waking up to lazy navel gazing online?

Maybe it was steroids?

"How could you miss...a news update?"

R460, it takes work, but we're conscientious.

Youz guys are ignoring the KNOWN FACTS!

Anyone know how much their house is worth? So this was in Dallas, or Houston? My theory is Houston.

Makeup Most Foul: The Ben Ruiz Story

R461 Wow, you really hit me where I live with that comment. I have four email accounts(each on a different browser) and yet I have not read an email in nearly 6 months.

I have learned my lesson now about throwing stones.

But you guys really are as sharp as tacks(to use my late mother's expression.)

The younger guy had given his sugar daddy AIDS because of his sluttish ways.

I agree that the shooter bottom as pictured at R229 has a body which would do a 35 year old proud.

But it you look a Gramps in the same photo, but cover his head, he is outstanding for a man is his sixties. Sure, there are telltale signs of seniority which cannot be denied; but he looks firm...and I will bet good money he works almost as hard as junior to keep his elder bod as firm as he did.

I am embarrassed to admit, while I am no spring chicken myself, I simply cannot become aroused by the body of someone over 60.

Rene was very doable.

Benjamin was not on steroids or any other drugs. He barely drank (he had a heart condition so he couldn't). However, those are pec implants, and he had abdominal etching, lipo, etc., plus calf implants, and of course facial fillers and botox. Also, they were both tops with big dicks...so there was always a third party involved, if you know what I mean. However, they always seemed completely devoted to each other, and they were a lot of fun to be around. Rene could be kind of cranky and snarky, but he was very smart. I don't know what's going to happen with the memorial service; how do you not mention the violent end?

Keep going R130.

Was there anything about Ben that suggested he'd be capable of doing something like this? Absolutely no signs?

R472, absolutely no signs I was aware of, but I hadn't seen them in about a year. We shared a large group of friends and no one so far has said they saw this coming. I don't know what's happened with the dogs, but I'll find out this week. They both had extended families here so I'm assuming that's where they've gone.

R473 Anything about Ben's financial situation? So many of those high-profile "glamour" jobs are actually surprisingly low pay.

R474, I always thought he was doing very well. He always had beautiful clothes, watches and cars. Who knows? They also had a house in Puerto Vallarta that was pretty nice...high on a hill with its own pool.

Smokey eye, smoking gun; the Ben Ruiz story.

This isn’t the type of murder that was over wallpaper. No, this was serious. This was over tile.

[quote]Screw these two losers.

Necrophilia at this point, I'm afraid.

The older one sat on the $15,000 white custom-made sofa bare ass. The younger one went ballistic (literally)

A couple of comments about face makeup ruining EVERYTHING in the house. Well, the rest is history.

Lol, R478!

You can make this shit up

sizemeat verificatia?

So if they were both sharing bottoms, why the break up?

[quote] those are pec implants, and he had abdominal etching, lipo, etc., plus calf implants, and of course facial fillers and botox

Houston reconstruction doctors must be devastated at the loss of such a profitable customer.

That body doesn’t look fake. Even if it is, he worked out.

I’ve seen fake abs, and they don’t line up like that.

That picture at r422 is really unnerving. Why are so many rich gay men obsessed with tiny yappy dogs?

W&W for r476!

I wonder if they were fighting over custody of the dogs? The Italian Greyhound looks ancient. Maybe it died and Rene realized that they had nothing in common but caring for the elderly dog. And he saw a bit of himself in that dog and he decided to get some even younger ass in order to feel like a puppy again.

They probably just drifted apart. Their relationship reminds me of Elton and David Furnish; they'd been together for decades and were most likely not even sleeping together anymore. I would bet money that they were both seeing other people and the older guy met someone and simply decided he'd had enough.

I'm sure they were fearsomely bitchy--rich gay men obsessed with small yappy dogs usually are (think of team Guido from "The Amazing Race").

You would not want to miss one of their brunches if you were invited, or else your love life would be Topic A for ungenerous discussion.

I like the house.

Take out the overly ornate furniture and do some cosmetic changes, the house would be fine...

R489, you're completely wrong, and possibly projecting. They were the opposite of bitchy, and, in fact, self-deprecatingly funny. That's why this is so impossible to believe.

Please go to memorial and tell us what happens. You're our only link, man.

I'll go to the memorial service if I can find out when and where it will be.

I'll be there. I know where it will be -- just not the date and time yet.

The Makeup artist Ben must have been a truly evil human being to murder in cold blood. I am surprised that René did not throw Ben out years ago.

R494, we here at DL would very much like to attend. Obviously, we can’t all make it, so I vote we send BILL TAYLOR on our behalf, as our ambassador.

[quote]Please tell us the dogs are being adopted by friends.

One of Ben's cousins confirmed on IG that they're being cared for by family.

Those poor dogs. I imagine they saw it all happen.

I imagine Houston has it's own City/Lifestyle magazine... this story calls out for an investigative gossipy human-interest story a few months from now after things have settled.

The kind of thing Vanity Fair does.

BUMP

This will eventually make a great miniseries for Ryan Murphy. i will be interested when the full story comes out as to how much debt they were under, what drugs they were using, what guys they were both seeing on the side, what they spent their money besides that very Texas house, etc.

They left behind computers and phones, so there's a slim chance that nudes and/or sex tapes may leak.

The sex tapes must out there already. Their Mexican holiday orgies were legendary.

If I won the lotto, I don't think I'd ever settle down and trust one guy.

I'd just buy lots and lots of fun.

The price on that house will plummet. Who wants to live in a murder-suicide house?

I honestly would, r505.

"Come visit me at THE MURDER HOUSE!!!"

Their ghosts will haunt you while you poo in the loo.

All the more fun.

This incident might give the street the attention it needs to take off.

DL priorities at R502

r498 Those poor dogs. I imagine they saw it all happen.

Oh please, enough about those stupid toy dogs!

They probably thought it was a great game, jumping all over the weeping, struggling couple as they wrestled over the gun. In fact, the frisky, nipping teacup sized dogs might have set off the trigger.

Then the dogs had a nice snack as they ate their owners' faces over the weekend.

I'd dying to see sex vids of Benjamin Ruiz. So hot.

I wonder if Brooke Shields will speak at the memorial

The photo at R344 shows how well Benjamin presents when he is dressed up. And of course we know he looked splendid when dressed down. Someone mentioned upthread that Ben could have easily attracted a moneyed older woman who was looking for companionship, a good looking, well dressed escort along with the bonus of his makeup and hair styling skills. I am a 62 year old woman with 3 times the apparent bet worth of Rene, and I would have eagerly scooped him up following his untimely dumping. And natch he would have had free rein to have his fill of "boys on the side."

I guess he was so hurt he just couldn't see all the opportunities which would be open to him following the break up.

R514 here. the word "moneyed" does not look right to me. I typed monied, but autocorrect changed it. Just wanted to add that before the spelling trolls oh deared me.

Why would a straight woman "scoop up" a gay man? No matter how old she is.

R393 Please don't jump to conclusions just from reading the replies of some misanthropes on Free Republic. Your instincts are correct. For instance, my parents are died in the wool Faux News watching Republicans with very traditional values and ideas. But as so many in that demographic, upon learning that one of their beloved grandkids(or any relative or close friend) is gay, they modified their beliefs after the initial shock.

Those Freepers do not represent more than 20% of the right.

R516 I thought I made that clear in my post.

Republicans think gay people are a half a step above child molesters.

Where do you people live that you think all republicans are mouth breathing evangelicals? You sound like naive children. All the republicans I know are just rich or well off---not socially conservative in the least. They care about protecting their assets and paying less taxes. That's really all there is to it. They don't GAF who you fuck....or have any opinion about you at all for that matter. Get over yourselves.

Who gets ALL that "fabulous" crystal and china and silver?

Fish are not interested in sex and they certainly don't pay for it.

Shut up R522. You obviously didn't grasp the finer point of the lady's comment.

R514, why would you pay to "keep" a man in an extravagant lifestyle (which he clearly would expect) when you can just hire the services of stylist and escort by the hour when needed? It 'might' be worth it if he's at least boning you on the regular, but this gay dude wouldn't be. Besides, a woman can hire out THAT 'service' too rather easily and inexpensively (when the mood strikes), and have her pick of young, straight studs to do the job (and then leave). No need to bankroll an aging queen.

At 62, most women can live without sex. Interstellar companionship is another matter.

We have loads of girlfriends for companionship, R525.

No R520, they don't give a fuck how their party treats gays, as long as they have their tax cuts.

Sorry, R514, but Benjamin does not present well when all dressed up. The fabric of that suit is, at best, gauche and ill-advised. The tailoring is insane. The suit looks two sizes too small. And in every photo we've seen of this troubled man, his smile is both manic and tense, his apparel is more of a costume for a man he's trying desperately to be.

If I saw him in a bar, I would run the other way. Which is good. And I am still alive to post this observation.

I very much regret the fact that our R514 didn't get to him in time to save Benjamin. That is a handsome man and his body is great. Glad to see there are other leg lovers her. Muscular, well-shaped and hairy. Superb!

Maybe he was obnoxious and one of those spend, spend, spend guys but I don't care for those "trade him in for a younger model guys". That's not nice. I immediately thought that the young latin stud in R422 was the trade-in model though.

Tight young Latin looks more like Powder Blue Shirt's own private Benjamin.

R520, I agree. It’s about fiscal policy. The Republicans I know are quite liberal as far as abortion and gay rights. They don’t care what other people do as long as they don’t have to pay for it.

Except for the Religious Right, Republicans don't care about a goddamned thing except themselves. That's why they are Republicans. Me. Me. Me.

R529 keeping every shallow, and superficial stereotype of gay men alive and well!

I thought the house was very nice. Location may be a problem but I don't know the city. It was certainly a lot of house - and nice house at that - for the price. Okay it may have been a bit over the top here and there for my tastes now but it was overall a nicely done interior.

And Benjamin probably made very good money, Those jobs can pay very well. So his desperation at being dumped had to have been more than financial.

Someone opined upthread that judges don't give out restrianing orders easily but after dealing with them for decades I can tell you that is exactly what they do. The legal standard to get such an order is very very low and it often is simply on the say-so of one of the parties - with no corroborating proof required. So don't put too much stock in the fact there were such orders. It can often be a tactic in divorce proceedings or for those contemplating divorce. Not that it should be ignored completely - it could be a good clue.

Their personalities may have been too divergent. At first, and even for a while, differing personalities may complement each other, but can end up just grating or intolerable.

It really is sad. I wish splitting couples could just celebrate the good times they shared and move on. Like Al and Tipper.

[quote] The Republicans I know are quite liberal as far as abortion and gay rights. They don’t care what other people do as long as they don’t have to pay for it.

Well, how very enlightened of the assholes.

No, they don't care what other people do, as long as they are allowed to stiff the government via contracts to their businesses, use government resources to keep pay artificially low, use the government to keep asset prices artificially high, and use the government to break standing contracts and agreements with poor people.

They're not paying for anything they haven't already stolen.

R534, They were together for 22 years! They traveled together shared friends and had 2 houses together. You trivialize how interconnected their lives had been and make it seem like they should have just checked into another hotel. They do not seem to have separate lives for most of those years as one of their Houston friends has posted here.

We sign restraining orders at the drop of a hat. Because if it goes south we want to make sure our asses are covered.

[quote]The fabric of that suit is, at best, gauche and ill-advised. The tailoring is insane. The suit looks two sizes too small.

It's a very good suit. An update on the windowpane pattern and it's very on trend at the moment. Remember he was working in fashion environment.

Good design, color, cloth. It's stylish. It's not guache at all.

It's not my personal taste... but it looks good on the right guy and it's right for him.

It's very Euro. It's not an American look.

And the guys has a huge torso and arms.. .so unless he only goes with custom tailored suits, he's going to be a bit bulging. But again: tight fitting suits are what's happening now . It looks fine to me.

[quote]And in every photo we've seen of this troubled man, his smile is both manic and tense

There is that. But comes across very polished in his videos.

I was rushing...please excuse the typos.

Am I on trend too, fashionistas?

[quote] You trivialize how interconnected their lives had been and make it seem like they should have just checked into another hotel.

R536, how have I trivialized anything? Because I think adults have to handle their breakups with grace and decency rather than MURDER? Don't read into my remarks what's not there. They had a great life together it seems and that's something to be grateful for - some people never achieve that. Al and Tipper ARE the role models for late in life splits.

Everyone is talking as if Benjamin should have just made a coldly rational decision once Rene dumped him, but it looks like they were both Latin American, and Latin men can be extremely passionate and violent and irrational if they feel they've been screwed over in love matters. Their egos get heavily involved.

Dear r534,

MARY!

[quote] as one of their Houston friends has posted here

as one of their SUPPOSED (self claimed)Houston friends has posted here

It's not a stretch to think the primo gay couple in Houston has friends who post here/look here. And no one has yet posted, "Hey they were my friends. And I know you are lying!"

No, they did not, r545.

After 542 posts, however, we did finally get our “it’s their Latin fiery tempers” explanation, which I was dreading and yet fully expecting.

Hey they were my friends. And I know you are lying.

I am just hearing about this. A sad day for the gay community.

R547,

In the words of Dorothy Zbornak when the sweaty big guy sat next to her at the baseball stadium,

"What kept you?"

Al Gore was a Big cheater.

Benjamin was beloved by the women he serviced.

R540, it's so YOU. Love the insolent evocatipn of prison bars and gingham curtains.

r551 They make it sound like he died in an accident and not that he fucking murdered someone and offed himself. I'm sure #lauramercier is super stoked to be tagged in all that shit.

R553, we're talking about a "glamor"industry here! ImageM is EVERYTHING.

[quote]r476 Smokey eye, smoking gun; the Ben Ruiz story.

Featuring Tori Spelling as Detective LaRue

This fall, only on [italic]Lifetime

R512 "so hot"

Not anymore.

In all these many posts, I can not find out the content of the message that was texted to friends that alerted the police of this crime?

R130 left out the most important info.

[quote] In all these many posts, I can not find out the content of the message that was texted to friends that alerted the police of this crime?

Here

What was the cosmetic boy, Benjamin's maiden name before he married René an took Rene's last name Ruiz?

^McGillicuddy

R553. They didn't do anything. SHE. Posted about her colleague.

They were beloved by the local community and true role models for the children!

R560 According to post R187 Benjamin's maiden name was Marshall.

His "maiden" name?

It seems like Benjamin was adored by other makeup artists around the world:

We knew (in the Biblical sense) an LA makeup artist with a magnificent, thick, perfectly shaped 10 inches!

Benjamin is a murderer... he deliberately shot and killed someone...he took someone's life.... yet these people are gushing about what a wonderful person he was.

It's sickening.

They really shouldn't say anything , he was a cold blooded murderer

R568, The professional associates knew a successful attractive role model and then hear of a crime of passion and death. I think they are shocked and sad at enormity of murder suicide.

[570]Out of respect for the victim (and the victims family), you don't gush about what wonderful guy his murderer was.

R570 Out of respect for the victim (and the victims family), you don't gush about what a wonderful guy his murderer was.

But he was a great wonderful person up to the point of the murder. His friends shouldn't negate all that just because of one act.

They should if he was so wonderful he would not kill someone.

Nawww, I am pretty certain that if I had a true and loyal friend who had always shown me kindness and generosity(of spirit not $$) and suddenly I got a call that he/she had strangled his/her mother, I would just KNOW that something snapped...it was such an anomaly. I would still eulogize her/him as a dear friend.

NOW, if said friend had mowed down a group of innocent strangers at a mall food court, I believe that would immediately alter my impression of him.

"No one knows what goes on behind closed doors."

[quote]NOW, if said friend had mowed down a group of innocent strangers at a mall food court, I believe that would immediately alter my impression of him.

Like the mass shooter he's still a killer who planned to murder,

I feel we need to discuss this little-known incident more fully.

The silence is deafening.

You awful queens don't have any idea what went on between those two men or the level of distress either was feeling. (Well, maybe you can guess about Rene. After he was shot a bunch of times.) You don't know what mental health or emotional or psychological problems Benjamin was experiencing at that moment. Or why. These things can take over. It is possible to be a good guy who does an awful thing for reasons we will never know.

You don't have to approve of murder to have a bit of compassion for the guy. Even if he looks in every photo that he is trying far too hard. Maybe especially because of that. Something went terribly wrong that night. But for all the years that preceded that night, no one is piling on here with horrible stories about either one. And this is Data Lounge. If they were out there, it would not take 580 posts for them to be published here.

Most probably it was an assisted suicide, and the younger one did not want to go on alone, after ceding to the elder's wishes.

R577 If that is what you took from my post, then I do feel for you hon.

Here's another try: for those of us who have been in several extended relationships OR had a mother who was suffering from NPD or BPD, can anyone truly say in their heart of hearts, you have never let the thought of offing your loved one, if only for a brief second? If your answer id no, you are a very fortunate or a very easy going person. Either way, you have a charmed life.

Who the fuck are you calling awful queens r579? People are awful because they say a fucking killer shouldn't be lauded? And fuck off, none of the "friends" who are posting about him are actual friends, they're just instagram assholes trying to insert themselves in this.

R581 Yours is truly one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever read on DL.

R583 Really" I applaud your candor as to your difficulties with reading comprehension.

I can honestly say that I have never considered murdering a boyfriend, r581.

Maybe that question could be the next revealing DL poll.

R582, you don't know what you're talking about. I knew Benjamin since he lived in Dallas in the 90s and dated one of my best friends, who remained Benjamin's best friend to the end. That was when he was Benjamin Marshall. He was always pretty smart with money. Even in his late 20s, he already owned a big house in a now-unfashionable area of Houston (Champions). He has a much younger brother who has been destroyed by this, as well as a sister. I know you don't want to believe he was a good person, but I can't think of him having a single enemy. And he wasn't some fucking "socialite" either -- when he wasn't working, he was at home or at the movies. Some of you people can only deal in stereotypes. I guess it makes your lives easier.

So go start a charity in his name r586, giving makeup brushes to the underprivileged, if you're so torn up about this. You can't dictate how people are going to view someone who fucking murdered someone else, so stop trying.

9300 views. Is that a record for a lined out post?

[quote]I know you don't want to believe he was a good person.

"Rene Ruiz died of wounds to the head, torso and right leg "

Yes R586, he sounds like a doll!

"But he was a great wonderful person up to the point of the murder. "

As they used to say: "Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play? "

Some people can just snap, can you tell us why he and Rene Ruiz were finally breaking up, r586.

So why was there a murder/suicide plan?

Tragic! I wonder what the last thing was that went through Rene’s head? Besides the bullet.

R585 Remember, I said even for one brief second.

I did not mean everyone formulates a plan and then ruminates over the plan while deciding whether or not to go through with it.

Chris Rock does a bit in his stand up about how after 2 years, when ever you see your way just looking at you, she's thinking, "How can I kill this mother fucker and get away with it?" I meant it in that light spirit.

By the way, this was not a "cold blooded murder." Cold is when you plot someone's murder, follow them around, execute according to a plan.

This was the definition of hot-blooded, probably the end of a terrible fight.

We're almost done here, so here's PART II

[quote] This was the definition of hot-blooded, probably the end of a terrible fight.

You're guessing. Kept guy may have been plotting for weeks but Money Guy got wise so the job gets rushed leaving Fake Pecs no viable alibi.

R568 We all have the freedom to look up to who we want to look up to.

I, personally, don't think either of them are hot.

They will be missed. The Ruiz's were the kindest, most perfect couple, no one understands what went wrong????

To look up to WHOM

I don't think they were hot either.

Police still do not know why the murder/suicide took place!