Major Breakthrough In Madeleine McCann Case!

Nobody cares?

This story was splashed over every British newspaper for years. It is sickening to think what that poor child may have gone through.

Here in the States it's sort of, Oh, again? Meh. This country is so inured to child murders -- except white blonde children, so Madeleine may have stirred some interest -- that we barely notice. We are doomed.

Old deaths bring nothing but yawns.

I hate to say it but I will always blame the parents, regardless of who actually killed her. I could never imagine leaving a 3-year-old and her twin 2-year-old siblings alone, while I went to a restaurant.

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Why did it take them so long to identify this suspect?

Her mother murdered her. Case closed.

Is the incarcerated German pedobear suspect "popular" in prison?

Is this the final solution?

Doesn't anybody care? You MANIACS!

I’m trying to wrap my head around someone finding a 3 year old sexually desirable.

I guess now the story will come out.

r8 = Nancy Grace

Why him, why now?

So they’ve found the dingo that ate the baby?

Is this another case of a prisoner confessing to an unrelated crime just to get it off the books? Common practice.

R11 I care. Imagine what those parents went through if innocent.

DL has had some good threads on this case over the years:

SHE HAD IT COMING!

r16-- I agree. Who knows why they've brought this out now. It sounds like a part of a larger, unrelated deal between the countries involved.

R9, Do German prisoners have the same honor code as US prisons?

Does that happen a lot? Prisoners admitting to crimes they didn’t commit? Wouldn’t it be hard for them to make up a plausible story?

r20 "OK you can have the North Sea fishing rights, but in return I'll need you to pin the Madeline McCann disappearance on someone believable. Now about Gibraltar..."

R22 Yes, it does happen.. The two instances I know of firsthand involved prisoners serving life sentences. The police get to close a case, the family gets 'closure' and the prisoner - even though confessing to a crime - gets a little something within the prison system: more time in the yard, a different cell block, more access to visitor space. The police often feed the prisoner small details of the crime to make the confession plausible to family. I'm sure it's happened more often than the two instances I know of.

Is this going to be like the loon who "admitted" to killing JonBenet?

[quote]I hate to say it but I will always blame the parents, regardless of who actually killed her. I could never imagine leaving a 3-year-old and her twin 2-year-old siblings alone, while I went to a restaurant.

Absolutely, the parents are to blame. They popped into the accommodation every 15 minutes or whatever to check on the children. How fucking stupid. Clearly the kidnapper noticed the pattern and entered the home soon after they left.

If they want to go on holiday, make your kids eat with you at the restaurant, eat with them at the accommodation, hire a babysitter or bring an au pair or a grandparent to take charge so they can party.

[quote] If they want to go on holiday, make your kids eat with you at the restaurant,

Jesus Christ no.

I watched that recent documentary and I’m convinced the mother did it. She’s a cold looking thing.

No, r28, she's just British

She also had a mustache... signs of anorexia. A total control freak.

How much do you love the parents? Masterfully handled!

The childs' DNA was found in the trunk of the car.

I think when the parents drugged those kids before going out, Madeleine died.

They came home to a dead kid and had to get rid of the body.

Nobody kidnapped her.

R26, if you think those people checked on those kids every 20 minutes (or whatever bs they made up), I’ve got a bridge to sell you. They probably made two trips among all of them. They wanted to eat and drink and not worry about their brats.

I didn't follow this super closely, but I always thought the parents were involved. However, it seemed the consensus in the comments of news articles was that they weren't involved.

If the garrote don't fit, you must acquit.

So the parents never took lie detector tests. How the hell is that possible?

Lie detector tests are bullshit, that's why they aren't admissable in court

R37 You are correct! They are pseudo-science bullshit.

R37, it's not so much about the test itself, but their refusal to take one speaks volumes as to whether they were involved.

Wasn’t there a blood sniffing corpse dog that said there was a trail from the bedroom to the rental car and then some other location is what happened?

R39 Many competent lawyers advise against taking one, because of them being a pseudo-science. It is not hard to fail one or have it be inconclusive.

They didn’t just refuse a lie detector test. They refused to answer numerous questions from police at all.

Maybe, but that doesn't mean they're guilty. I saw an episode of dateline where a woman was raped and murdered.....they thought her boyfriend did it because he wouldn't answer questions or submit his DNA. When he finally relented years later and gave them his DNA the DNA didn't match. They eventually got a match on the DNA and it turned out the guy who murdered her was a complete stranger. Sometimes people who are totally innocent will not cooperate with the police for various reasons, sometimes people who are guilty as hell WILL cooperate because they're afraid they'll look guilty if they don't.

“Her mother murdered her. Case closed.”

‘Yo mama's so stupid, she went to the dentist to get a Bluetooth.’

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In the beginning I really thought the parents were guilty until I watched the documentary. The Portuguese cop in charge is corrupt and vindictive.

I watched a couple of crime documentaries about this girl's disappearance.

They went on vacation with an odd array of adults (with the other adults' children). None of the adults were related (family).

IMO, the adults wanted "adult time" and the parents of Madeleine drugged her so that she's sleep. She ended up dying of an OD or a fatal accident in the apartment while parents were out. Parents knew they'd be blamed, so disposed of her body.

McCanns are definitely an odd couple. They look deeply unhappy. The man has a really cold and mean demeanor. The wife looks worn out from decades of lying.

R47, if you mean the Netflix documentary, I seem to recall it omitted stuff and laid more emphasis on certain aspects while trying to downplay others.

I don't think the parents killed her but they totally fucked up with leaving the tiny kids alone and I suspect also gave them sedatives to keep them asleep. There's something about what they and their friends did that they're trying to cover up.

Am I remembering right, just like the dingo eaten baby’s parents aren’t Maddie’s parents members of some church where they tend to be from a religion that they present a certain detachment that people have interpreted their reaction as guilt?

I wonder how Madeleine’s younger siblings feel about this now they are old enough to understand their parents’ neglect and selfishness.

[quote]Sometimes people who are totally innocent will not cooperate with the police for various reasons

Gee, I wonder why?

The first MacCann interview three weeks after Madeleine disappeared. I can't believe Gerry's analogy of his daughter going missing to the feeling of having an "overdrawn bank account". This pair just boggle the mind.

I didn't find anything particularly damning, r46. The guy is definitely a scumbag but the links to Madeleine seem pretty tenuous. The article goes into great detail about the 72-year old woman he raped but doesn't say much about his conviction for child rape and possession of kiddie porn which would seem to be more relevant. His comment at the bar on the 10-year anniversary is intriguing but so vague that I can't say it sways me. Perhaps there is more detail they aren't releasing but there was a lot of "reportedly" and "alleged" around his very vague comment.

[quote]Am I remembering right, just like the dingo eaten baby’s parents aren’t Maddie’s parents members of some church where they tend to be from a religion that they present a certain detachment that people have interpreted their reaction as guilt?

Do you mean the Catholic Church, r50?

R54, if the German police think that it's very likely to be this guy then they must have very strong reasons for that. Of course, not everything they know has been made available. His comments at the bar suggest that he knows something about what happened to Maddie, even if he wasn't the (sole) perp. The fact that his comments were disturbing enough to his friend to make the friend go to the police says a lot, if you consider that his friend is probably also a lowlife scumbag.

The German police seem to think that the call he had about an hour before she disappeared is of great significance, so they have probably established a credible scenario for what might have happened.

There is no doubt they were sedating those kids. All of them. The odds of all of those children staying asleep all night without waking up is practically zero. Little kids wake up and wander around and want comfort. There is just no way all those kids stayed asleep with no parents in the room.

I pretty much always think it was the parents in cases like this (probably because usually it is). But this is one of the few where my "intuition" hasn't been so clear, and I've leaned more towards suspecting a stranger abduction instead. I wouldn't be too surprised if this guy did it.

R57, here's the clip where Gerry McCann so obviously lies when he says they never gave the kids any sedatives (false laugh, scratching ear, looking away). Kate does better, but you can see even her blinking when Gerry says they didn't give the kids any sedatives is a bit more exaggerated.

He's also lying when he says that they'll take any test and answer any question that the police want. They refused to answer police questions and take a lie detector test. It was this kind of arrogant, shifty and obviously dishonest behaviour that turned the public off them and made many believe they were behind Maddie's disappearance. Even if that is a conspiracy theory, they were definitely doing something they knew they shouldn't have been doing (e.g. drugging the kids, not just the McCanns but all their friends) and that put Maddie in a vulnerable position.

They were shifty parents for sure but I don't think they did it. She was an exceptionally pretty little girl so she probably caught the eye of a pedi who watched to see where she was staying. He probably couldn't believe his luck that they left her alone.

I also think it was in the best interests if the resort to pin it on the parents "See, no kidnappers here! Just shifty British parents." Lazy too, as it would mean they didn't have to really work the case.

I wonder if this was just a crime of opportunity. He came to burgle the room and there were the sleeping kids.

[quote]I also think it was in the best interests if the resort to pin it on the parents

That's another thing: where they stayed was not an enclosed "resort" as you'd picture it--that was the McCanns and the media's spin on it. The apartment was located on a regular street. The resort's accommodation is just scattered around the residential streets. You could not fully see those apartments from the restaurant.

Weren’t they both doctors? Why stay at such a shitty place in Portugal? Yuck!

I could see the little girl dying accidentally of an overdose, but where I have a problem is how do the parents successfully hide the body in a foreign country, with terrain they aren't familiar with? Supposing they came home, relaxed and slightly drunk, and found the little girl dead. They put her in the car trunk and drive off into the night. Now what? As they aren't locals, they don't know the most isolated places to leave a body. They also don't have a shovel and can't buy a shovel in the middle of the night, so burial is out. Okay, they either dump the body in the woods or in a body of water, that's plausible. But then why wouldn't the little girl be found in a search? What are the chances that the panicked parents, in the middle of the night, in a strange country, found the one place in a million where a child's body would never, ever be found? That's why I don't think the parents did it.

I thought the parents did it for the longest time. Honestly, the only thing that made sense was the parents giving her sleeping pills that accidentally made her overdose. I guess I was wrong.

Thanks R24. I didn’t know that.

I just read in the Guardian that the suspect wrote in a chat room that he wanted to “catch something small and use it for days.” Smh

I think it was in the Netflix doc..but didn’t someone claim to have seen a slight blond man carrying a small sleeping girl near the hotel?

the parents will never win parents of the year ever but i dont think they are murderers.

R50, that's part of it, but their actions were extremely suspicious. For example, they opened a window in the apartment and claimed that the intruder came in that way rather than admit that the door wasn't locked. They and their friends probably lied about how often they checked on the children. Almost the first thing they did was call the media, and they highlighted the distinguishing feature in Madeline's eye. A police inspector told them if they did so, it could cause a kidnapper to kill her because she would immediately become a liability.

They almost certainly didn't do it, but their actions throughout were not conducive to a good outcome, if indeed anything would have made a difference.

How about: all the parents sedated all their kids, and that's what they were shifty/ lying about.

The German pedo/ burglar came (broke?) in to the apartment where Madeleine and the twins were left, maybe intending to burgle, maybe having watched her for days and followed her. When he grabbed her (whether opportunistically, or by plan), he was able to make off with her without her waking up and screaming because she was so heavily sedated.

That covers all bases, doesn't it?

Did they ever search that van he was using with cadaver dogs?

Nah, she did it. She slapped the little bitch around for not listening and murdered her. Then they concocted their lame ass excuses.

I think that the timing isn't right for the parents to have done it, even accidently. They were still out with their friends when one if them discovered she was missing right? How would they have had time to hide her body? Much less have been conniving and sociapthic enough to come up with an instant plan while finding their dead child.

I also don't think they were all in on it. If the others were also drugging their kids, they still wouldnt face murder charges themselves if found out. They were selfish assholes, but I don't think they're monsters.

If I remember correctly, they mentioned in the Netflix documentary that Kate ran out of the apartment, yelling "they took her." That was weird, why saying that and who are they? If that had happened to me, I would have said "she is gone" or "she wandered off."

I know my way around a cock. Jerry has some major sizemeat. Long and thick.

"Am I remembering right, just like the dingo eaten baby’s parents aren’t Maddie’s parents members of some church where they tend to be from a religion that they present a certain detachment that people have interpreted their reaction as guilt?"

I thought they were Catholic.

Unpopular opinion: “cadaver dogs” are almost as unreliable as polygraphs. They’re only as good as their trainer/handler. I’ve seen too many cases where dogs “hit” on absolutely nothing. I think their value is overestimated but not nil.

I have no idea who took Madeleine, but am 99% certain she was dead within 24 hours of her disappearance.

R74: a DLer on an older McCann thread claimed to have hooked up with him (after the daughter's disappearance) and gave quite an elaborate description.

"For example, they opened a window in the apartment and claimed that the intruder came in that way rather than admit that the door wasn't locked. They and their friends probably lied about how often they checked on the children. Almost the first thing they did was call the media, and they highlighted the distinguishing feature in Madeline's eye."

Alerting the media if you have a missing kid who may still be out there somewhere. Lying about how often they checked on the kids was probably because they knew it would look bad that they left the kids unattended. That doesn't mean they killed their kid.

I know it doesn't, R78, as I mentioned. It did look extremely suspicious to police, though, and probably hindered the investigation.

Was it like Opus dei Catholic?

[quote] it's not so much about the test itself, but their refusal to take one speaks volumes as to whether they were involved.

They also failed to submit to dowsing, dunking, Kirlian photography, past life regression or phrenology, which speaks LIBRARIES.

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Reading that article from 2007, it's amazing just how much the McCanns were trying to control the narrative and make everything the Portuguese police did appear wrong and problematic. Sure, the local police may not have been the most slick in the world but it was obvious (to me at any rate) that this constant attempt to create a narrative of the police's incompetence was because they were trying to hide something and were also aware that the police were not convinced by everything they were saying.

I remember the local detective saying when he went to the apartment the McCanns had been staying in on the night of Maddy's disappearance, there were several people milling around in it (their friends, presumably) and the whole scene had been disturbed, things had been moved around and people had been walking in and out. The McCanns and their friends were educated people, doctors, they would surely have known that you don't disturb a crime scene and how picking things up and moving things around can damage evidence.

Even if the McCanns weren't trying to hide something and were simply grief-stricken and worried, their constant interference in the case and the public profile they were cultivating for themselves only made the investigation more difficult and sent out red herrings all the time.

For example, the man their friend had seen fits a rather different description from this German guy - who seems to be the most plausible suspect so far - and the fact that they or someone (not the police) were trying to make it seem like the man who was seen could have been the poor, innocent Robert Murat was appalling. Team McCann was happy to pin Maddy's disappearance on an innocent man - yet another reason to ask questions about them.

No, I don't think they killed Maddy, but I do believe that their actions put her in that situation - not simply leaving her in the apartment but possibly giving the kids sedatives and perhaps a bunch of other things (they weren't checking them when they said, on the other evenings they had left the kids alone the kids had started wandering around, perhaps Maddy had managed to wander out of the apartment on another occasion).

From wiki: "The McCanns were on holiday with seven friends and eight children in all, including the McCanns' three.[32] The nine adults dined together most evenings at 20:30 in the resort's tapas restaurant, as a result of which the media dubbed the friends the "Tapas Seven".[33] The Tapas Seven included Fiona and David Payne, both physicians, their two children, and Fiona's mother, Dianne Webster. The McCanns had known the Paynes for years; Kate had met Fiona in 2000 when they both worked in Leicester General Hospital's intensive care unit.[34] Accompanying them were two couples the Paynes had originally introduced to the McCanns: Jane Tanner, a marketing manager, and her partner, Russell O'Brien, a physician, who were on holiday with their two children, and Matthew Oldfield, another physician, who was with his wife, Rachael Oldfield, a lawyer, and their daughter. Gerry, Russell and Matthew had worked together over the years.[35][33] The "Tanner sighting"—Jane Tanner's report that she saw a man carry a child away from the resort 45 minutes before Madeleine was reported missing—became one of the most-discussed aspects of the case.[36]"

All these doctors in the group and nobody could afford a babysitter? FFS

"Reading that article from 2007, it's amazing just how much the McCanns were trying to control the narrative and make everything the Portuguese police did appear wrong and problematic."

And the British press was happy to help with that by writing story after story how lazy, incompetent and stupid those "foreigners" were. It was wild how much sympathy the McCanns got from the tabloids just because they were upper class white people. Of course they could do nothing wrong.

They may have increased her dose because she had woken up the night before and was crying while they were out.

They drugged more than once?

R54: He has a long history of convictions for child sexual abuse and hotel burglaries. He lived less than two miles away (a 20 to 25 minute walk). He made a half hour phone call from his cell phone close to the hotel just an hour before the disappearance. The next day he re-registered his car in Germany under a different name and a few days later he moved back to Germany after living there for 12 years.

That doesn't take into account his actions/speech since then. And you don't think there's any plausible evidence he might have been involved?

Gerry contacted Gordon Brown the then British Priminister and the British Media within an hour of Maddie going missing. The British ambassador to Portugal arrived the following day at the resort. A legal and publicity team was set up and arrived to support them within days. The McCanns story changed by the hour and they refused to cooperate with the local police. There are big questions regarding the McCanns on how they were able to get the full backing of the British Government and why to this day they are protected by the British Media and presented as having no responsibility for abandoning the children night after night after night to go to a restaurant with friends and why the British police were given millions of pounds to search for this little girl only to find the same lack of evidence of abduction as the original Portuguese police.

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Thanks, R90 and R91. I'm too lazy right now to read up on this German guy. I hope they figure out the German guy's location at time of Madeleine's disappearance in Portugal. John Karr, the guy who said he killed JonBenet Ramsey, was eliminated as suspect due to not even being in the area at the time of JonBenet's killing.

R85 I thought the tabloids vilified them?

I love referring to this guy as The German. Makes me feel like I'm in a 40s noir.

If you don't want to watch your kids on vacation, get a fucking nanny.

Or leave them at home with Grandpa and Grandma!

John Mark Karr was seriously mentally ill, had pedophile tendencies (although I can't remember he was ever accused of or charged with such) and was obsessed with JonBenet. I think he fantasied so much about her and the murder he actually thought he had been there.

R93, the McCanns were deemed heroes, it was almost like they were rock stars and you couldn't get away from them. Premier League football matches would start with announcements about Madeleine. JK Rowling helped with the appeal, they met the Pope. Gerry even started his own blog for his fans.

In more recent years there's been more of a critical tone to coverage of the McCanns but back in the day they could do no wrong.

The only paper that was critical of the McCanns from the beginning was the Daily Express, but the rest were falling over themselves to vilify the Portuguese police as part of the McCanns' favoured narrative.

Exactly R96. They had 3 TODDLERS. What do toddlers do on vacation? The exact same shit they do at home. No reason to take a child that small on vacation, they won't even remember it

Agreed, R5. You don’t leave your small children alone like that. No excuses. Why? BECAUSE all it takes is it happening one time, for the unthinkable to happen.

Some parents are so fucking naive. They think pedophiles, rapists and sexual deviants are not in their neighborhoods, families, workplace, school districts, churches, or vacation resorts. Pedophiles are everywhere, and while some do not offend, plenty do, and not only do they offend for their own psychologically malformed brain, or sick desires, they offend for profit. A man who is a transient yet managed to have a Jaguar isn’t necessarily a freakin’ pedo, but he is certainly well off enough to not have to report to a regular place of business regularly, and afford to live in an RV, and drive a Jaguar, all around Europe, when not even being 40 years old at the time of Madeline’s disappearance. If he is indeed, a suspected person of interest and a primary one, he’s making very good money, or was, for a 30something year old without a job.

Always, ALWAYS protect the wellbeing and life of your child or children, before your own. Assume these fuckers are everywhere, and don’t let your guard down.

All it takes is one time, and your kid is gone forever.

Despite the fact that she is most likely dead, has their been any age progression images of what Maddie would look like today?

All valid concerns, r101. But beyond that of all things like playing with matches or a lighter, playing with a stove, tripping and falling, developing a sudden fever or seizure, falling out of bed, an endless list of etc.., etc., etc. These were educated people, doctors. No matter what the custom of the day is they should have been well aware of the dangers of leaving toddlers alone.

Why are so many pedos into visiting Gibraltar, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Germany, and Austria? This is apart from their many visits to the Philippines, Vietnam, and other South-East, Asian hubs.

The two pedos from D.E.N., Marc Collins-Rector, & his pedo partner in business and pedo-pursuits, were extradited from either Portugal or Gibraltar, IIRC. Or was it Spain? They’re the two creeps who rented out Michael Jackson’s former estate in Encino, CA., and had their pedo-twink pool parties with guests such as Bryan Singer, and his pedo pals, such as Disney’s David Neumann, et.al.

They were eventually busted for trafficking 14 year old and younger, minors from the Philippines, and a few from the Midwest. They had trafficked some dweeb named Chad when he was a minor, and shared him until he turned 18, and then gave him a huge chunk of money. Chad’s now a multi-millionaire, whose company in the Philippines (of course) creates games for the gamer community. Last I heard, Collins-Rector had legally married a 16 year old boy in the UK, and both moved to the Dominican Republic, another human trafficking hub for Europeans and Americans.

God, these people really are beyond reform and sick for life. There are those who just cannot stop and continue the cycle, and bring young kids in as a way of recruiting more kids and continue the cycle for generations.

Very common in Europe. Lots of pedo active in these aforementioned European countries.

R103, yes, I know. That exactly what I wrote in my post. The something minor, or the very worst could happen, and it’s not just someone kidnapping your child. Unfortunately, in this case, the absolute worse did happen, and that’s as much their responsibility, as would have been a slight injury, caused by a trip and fall.

Honestly, they’re lucky he didn’t abduct all the kids at once.

Sorry if I misunderstood your post, r105. We are in agreement.

I agree with almost everything you posted, r104, but let's not go there in this thread. Most people don't understand the difference between interacting pedophile rings and international sex trafficking. Let's keep this on Maddie and The Parents and The German for now.

Pedophiles are everywhere!

Something that was never really picked up by reports then or now: they were in a Mark Warner resort. This company specialised then and now in sporty holidays for families in the McCann’s income bracket and included organised activities for adults with day care for their children. This ‘day care’ extended into the evening with separate kids meals and activities supervised by the nannies and other staff. Back then, crucially, this ‘supervision’ extended to a ‘listening service’ provided by the crèche team. Parents would tuck their offspring in bed for the evening then ‘sign up’ giving their room numbers before going off to enjoy their dinner with wine at the associated restaurants. Staff would then walk by the rooms at regular intervals to ‘listen’ at the doors for infants crying. They would then walk around the restaurants with a board written up with the room number to alert boozing parents that their offsprings needed attention. All of the parents did this - it was one of the many attractions for the hard working, hard playing customers - many who booked several trips annually on repeat. The parents and kids barely needed to spend any time together. Most of the MW resorts were in stand alone complexes. The Portuguese McCann location was different - it was scattered across a site used by other owners and was not exclusive. I believe the Mark Warner approach to childcare services then gave families a false sense of security. ‘Newbies’ to these holidays were often reticent but were reassured by the regulars that it was a great set up and they quickly adapted. It was all about allowing hard working, hard playing parents leisurely grown up time. There was minimal security even on the ‘exclusive’ sites in the Mediterranean which often had public rights of way along shore paths. The abduction was a major PR hit for the holiday company but no one dug deep and questioned their culpability.

[quote] The abduction was a major PR hit for the holiday company but no one dug deep and questioned their culpability.

There are so many parties who want to see this case closed. If anything, it's surprising that it's taken so many years to find a pedophile to pin it on.

Stop it with the pedo ring bullshit. Most rapists and child molesters target their victims for their own purposes.

Re: how the parents could have disposed of the body - no shovel or knowledge of the terrain would be necessary. A large trash dumpster would be a convention dumping ground.

Refresh my memory - didn’t John Walsh stop working with the family due to their lack of cooperation?

R111 Isn’t it a very high percentage that it is usually a family member, friend or someone known to the victim that commits these types of crimes, negating the idea of these huge widespread rings of perpetrators?

The car or van (can't remember which) the dogs hit on wasn't rented by the McCanns until three weeks after Maddie disappeared. Any dog results are irrelevant. One of the biggest and most misreported aspects of the case,

BTW, both search and cadaver dog results are an inexact science. Some owner/dog teams get verifiably excellent results, others, not so much.

The family lawyered up, and if innocent, I cannot blame them.

I live in the states, and if I were ever accused of a crime I didn’t commit, I’d get myself an excellent defense attorney, and follow their legal counsel.

It’s tempting to defend one’s self, ESPECIALLY if one knows they’re telling the truth and are innocent. However, here in America, plenty of men and women have been railroaded into prison sentences and even executions, for crimes they did not commit.

Personally, I don’t trust police investigators to handle a case this big, effectively or correctly, and while these investigators aren’t Americans and this did not happen in America, these investigators have proven my sentiments to be correct.

Police are there to pin crimes on people who are guilty of those crimes, and are also willing to pin crimes on people who are convenient yet innocent, patsies.

NEVER talk to police without an attorney present, ESPECIALLY if you’re innocent or if you committed a crime, yet are being charwith something you didn’t do.

I know a woman whose daughter is serving 14 years for giving her boyfriend a ride to someone’s house and the girl claims she did not know he was walking into the house of his alleged friend, to commit armed robbery. Her phone records do show that she was texting her bestie, telling her that she was waiting for her BF to pick up some weed, and that they were going to spend the day at the beach.

Now, if I know that I’m giving someone a ride for that, even at the age of 17, as this young lady was at the time of the armed robbery, I wouldn’t be chillin’ in my car, texting my BFF.

First off, I’d never consent to that and would dump the guy right then and there, literally and romantically, and second, i’d call my parents IMMEDIATELY. But even that would not prevent a prosecutor from coming after me, if I didn’t immediately call police.

Anyhow, this teen girl was prosecuted as an accessory to an armed robbery and assault, because the BF pistol whipped his friend’s mother, before robbing her son’s room of money, drugs, and jewelry.

The girl had no idea what happened until AFTER the BF got in the car, and to her credit, she refused to have him in the car, and drove him back to some other house.

She’s doing 14 years with no priors. Her biggest mistakes were not calling the police immediately after dropping the thief off, and talking to the police when they picked her up for questioning, without an attorney, because she thought she hadn’t done anything wrong.

Was she naive and ignorant? Perhaps, but if she genuinely did not know, and was forced to drop the BF off and was already scared, because she and her BF are black, or if he threatened her, she does NOT deserve 14 years in a woman’s state penitentiary.

Lawyer up, always, even if you did nothing, or were caught up in a crime, unbeknownst to you, AND DID EVERYTHING RIGHT, once you knew the score.

Police aren’t your friends, and their job is to put people in jail, and even innocent or naive people will suffice.

R113 here. I didn't express myself well at all when I said the the dog hits didn't occur until three weeks after the disappearance. I meant to say specifically that the McCanns didn't even rent the vehicle until three weeks after the disappearance, making any dog results irrelevant.

r113, yes

r115, police have handled other big cases. Happens all the time.

[quote]Documents seen by Der Spiegel said that in that year, he had fantasised about kidnapping and sexually abusing a child in an online chat with a friend.

[quote]In September 2013, he allegedly wrote that he wanted to “catch something small and use it for days“, and then destroy the evidence.

This was from The Independent's piece, which mentions another missing-girl case Brückner is suspected in, 5 yr old, disappeared from her parents' campsite when she went out to collect wood for their campfire and never returned.

So what, maybe it's just a coincidence that little girls mysteriously vanish when he's around.

Kind of like how my wives always die in mysterious circumstances or mysteriously vanish

I never knew the parents were German.

Interesting

R37 If lie detector tests are bullshit, then why do homicide detectives give them so frequently?

[quote] If lie detector tests are bullshit, then why do homicide detectives give them so frequently?

Its not the test itself but the threat of the test and suspects reaction to them that police are watching.

[quote]It was wild how much sympathy the McCanns got from the tabloids just because they were upper class white people.

They're middle class, really.

Does anyone remember this case? I always wondered what really happened to the baby?

Maybe the dingo ate the baby

I remember when this happened and the reports that came out. The night of the disappearance, the McCanns and their friends were bullying the police. YES. They brought all their friends into their hotel room (contaminating it and destroying evidence) and then they were trying to point fingers at hotel/resort employees. But they really, really were trying to get the police to arrest some guy who lived around there. Those fucking mccanns ruined his life

Yes, the police fucked. But they really fucked up by not immediately treating the parents as suspects. Then when the cops grew tired of their fucking shit, and started looking at the parents, the McCanns went to the British media about a week later and the story broke. david beckham and other footballers made statements about the case. And may have even offered a reward money. The family was friends with a very wealthy man who had connections to tony blair. That rich guy donated 1 million toward a reward. That's why this case has gotten so much money from the British government (hundreds of thousands) toward the investigation, despite the fact that the British police have no authority in this case. No suspect ever has to talk to them. This crime happened in Portugal. A person could admit to the crime and the British police can't arrest them

Every few years the British police who are "investigating" this case say they have a new development, or a new suspect or new evidence or some other nonsense. Magically they get a few more millions in funding and they get to go to Portugal for a few weeks on a nice taxpayer funded vacation. And then you don't hear a single word about the case again, until . . . it's vacation time for the cops. Then it starts all over, "we have new developments". Lather, rinse repeat

It is surprising they have named this guy to the press. I can't imagine how they would have his phone records from 13 years ago.

This is from the Independent (they don't like their stories to be linked)

At one time, though, the Met detectives had identified four Praia da Luz locals who seemed as if they might have fitted the bill. Their backgrounds, mobile phone contact and locations around the time of Madeleine’s disappearance all seemed to fit the pattern of men involved in a burglary that had gone wrong. The men were questioned in 2014 – but Scotland Yard has now announced there was no evidence to implicate any of them and abandoned the case against all four.

Paulo Ribeiro, one of the men, has also told BBC Panorama how amazed he had been when approached by British detectives. “I thought it was incredible,” he said. “I knew of nothing when the police arrived at my door with a piece of paper that had a drawing on it, saying it bore a likeness to me and that someone had said I was involved and that I looked like the person who had kidnapped Maddie.”

He and the other three men, were also backed by Pedro do Carmo, deputy director of the Policia Judiciaria, who told Panorama he had never considered them to be suspects. He said: “I can only say that we questioned those people on request of the Metropolitan Police and only based on the request of the Metropolitan Police. “We never questioned those people. We never saw or looked at those people as suspects of the crime.”

And, despite British detectives still considering the idea of a burglary gone wrong to be plausible, Carlos Anjos, the former head of the Policia Judiciaria officers’ union, told Panorama: “This burglary theory is absurd. Not even a wallet disappeared, no television disappeared, nothing else disappeared. A child disappeared.”

Abducted or killed by a local paedophile. In 2009 there were reports that some of those investigating Madeleine’s disappearance believed the Algarve had been “awash with paedophiles” when she went missing. One source was quoted as saying: “There are 38 known sex offenders in the Algarve. The area is a magnet for paedophiles. There have been seven sexual assaults involving the children of tourists in the Algarve in the last four years. “They all have the same modus operandi as Madeleine’s disappearance – that is, a break-in at a holiday apartment and children molested. “Five happened before Madeleine’s abduction, and two afterwards. One took place a month before she vanished.”

Could a local serial paedophile have escalated his activities to the point where instead of leaving a molested foreign child in situ, they progressed to abduction or killing?

>>>>That's some bullshit. "The area was awash with pedophiles". Come on. It's probably the same as everywhere else. That's just typical tabloids trying to run up hysteria. It remind me of the 1970s and 1980s, when you would hear about "heavy metal music influenced killings", and "satanic murders". But once again, the british cops were able to "have a group of suspects" and they were talking about possibly making arrests. Like I said, every few years, they pull this shit.

[quote] She was an exceptionally pretty little girl so she probably caught the eye of a pedi who watched to see where she was staying.

Please. Let's not get carried away. Exceptionally pretty? She was a basic-looking AWG at best.

Not sure that I buy it yet. Something about this whole case was very fishy. The fact that the dog smelled a dead body in the father’s car was definitely something to take into account. We will probably never know what happened. If it was the parents then it was most likely an accident due to negligence and selfish behavior.

Mrs. Patsy Ramsey at r129 forgot to sign her post

Pedos can go for opportunistic crimes. They can’t control themselves. In my neck of the wood, a guy offered a boy a lift from a bus stop and then abused and murdered him.

Also, there are some hard core deviants out there, especially when drug addled. What about that rock star, Ian Watkins, who made baby rape videos.

It makes a lot more sense to me that a pedo abducted Maddie than her parents accidentally killed her and then effectively disposed of the body.

I feel as if I've stumbled upon a Frau or Karen version of The Dark Web.

The American at r115 chimes in to impose the experiences of his own country onto everyone else. He must be unaware that it was Team McCann that spread it to all the British tabloids that poor Robert Murat was a pedo who must have taken Maddie because he lived with his mother and had a funny eye. They basically goaded the police into arresting him, and his equally innocent Ukrainian friend too.

The parents aren't German r121, the suspect is.

She was 3, r129.

Exactly, r95. There were 3 couples, from what I recall mostly doctors and they all had kids, between them they could easily have paid a nanny to keep an eye on the kids.

There was also a grandmother with them too, the mother of one of the McCanns' friends.

R134, well, the McCanns aren’t Americans, and they did seemingly lawyer up, as I would have done, as well.

So what if I described a situation I was privy to, here, in the states? Most DLers live in the states! And some are gaylings, who are just getting out of their parents’ homes, so a little anecdotal history, isn’t a bad thing.

I think the McCann’s acted in a way that was and is inconceivable to most who haven’t experienced the disappearance of a child.

I have no idea if they had something to do with it or not, however, the truth remains, here, in the United States, that police in America are NOT there to protect and serve the general public, as we have all witnessed over the last two weeks.

That said, I betcha most of the LGBT community in America, would rather take their chances with American LEOs, than they would with police in oppressive regimes, such as Russia, Chechnya, and even the Ukraine.

Notice I didn’t include the UK.

[quote] f you mean the Netflix documentary, I seem to recall it omitted stuff and laid more emphasis on certain aspects while trying to downplay others.

That’s such a vague response. Omitted stuff from what, the police report? Or from what you read in the news. What are you comparing the documentary to? Your sources could be biased just like you’re accusing the documentary to be.

A couple things the woman journalist said in the doc as well as some info about the lead investigator and a rebuttal of the blood sniffing dog capabilities Helped changed my mind.

How is it that the younger kids weren't taken away from the loathsome parents by social services after it was revealed that they put their children's lives at risk by choosing to leave them alone without any adult supervision while the parents went out to party? How bad a parent do you have to be in Britain before they take your kids away?

Thank you for that insight, R109. That “check up on your child” service seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen to a company, but I guess when you’re catering to the rich, anything goes.

Tell us more about the Mark Warner resort model. Did they change their policies after the McCann incident?

I can't remember exactly r139, I saw it over a year ago, but I recall thinking at the time that it left stuff out. Do you want me to watch it again, so I can report back to you?

Because the Mccanns had been anointed as saints, r140.

R140, do you know anything about Child Services? They may have received "visits", but if the kids were clean and fed and not bruised, they stay with the parents. You have no idea how bad other kids have it, and how thinly resources are stretched.

If they had been lower class, there would have been much more uproar, no doubt about it.

rf127, people like you ruined the McCann's life by falsely accusing them

"How bad a parent do you have to be in Britain before they take your kids away?"

If making a mistake one time means your kids should be taken away.......then everyone's kids should be taken away.

"Pedos can go for opportunistic crimes. They can’t control themselves."

Yes, they can. You're actually doing them a favor by claiming they have no ability to control their actions. If they don't have any control over their actions, shouldn't you feel sorry for them? After all, isn't it wrong to hate someone for something they can't control? The fact is, they can control it. The vast majority of kids are abused by someone they know, not some random guy who snatched them.

R148 true, even the dumbest people make choices. Just look at the deplorables. They choose to support Dump willingly and gladly. They aren’t under some sort of spell. They are complicit.

It’s not that true, real life, diagnosed pedophiles cannot control their impulse to harm children, it’s that they cannot not control their sexual attraction to children.

I DO feel sorry for people who were born this way, know that their sexual attraction to children is different than engaging in pedophilloic harm toward children, and that the latter, is an actual crime, and hence, do not engage children, whatsoever, under most and any circumstance that they can control.

I saw a documentary a few years back, about a clinically diagnosed pedophile, who lived somewhere in the UK.

He was aware of his attraction to children, and voluntarily sought help to manage it, yet hadn’t ever harmed a child, because he not only understood the legal ramifications attached to that, but he, while attracted to ONLY children, also understood that is was morally wrong and horrible, to pursue his attractions.

He was very candid with the interviewer, and I felt really sorry for him, because he had no sexual attraction whatsoever to adults, and knew he would never lead a normal life, and genuinely fall in love with an adult, and have a family of his own.

That’s gotta be hell on earth.

Let me see if I can find it on YouTube. Hold on...

Shoot. Can’t find it, but here’s a guy just as candid about his condition as the other guy in the UK.

Nobody was abducted.

R87, presumably. The night before Maddie had woken up and said to Kate something like I cried and cried for you and you never came. Mother of the year’s reaction was to leave them alone again that next night.

r17 - I know what they went through.

R152 This alone makes me very unsympathetic to her and want to see her crucified. What kind of mother ignores a child in need like that? She sounds like an unfunny Edina, with Eddie and Patsy taking toddler Saffy on vacation and reluctantly sacrificing some of their much coveted drug cache to knock her out the next night to assuage any feelings of guilt that such a monster could have.

R146, the McCanns ruined their own lives by leaving their 3 tiny toddlers in a strange apartment all on their own, making it possible for one to disappear.

It's bizarre how you think people allegedly falsely accusing the McCanns is what has ruined their lives and not the fact that their daughter disappeared and most likely was sexually abused and killed.

R87, the night before Madeline woke up and a neighbor heard her crying for like an hour. Madeline said to Kate something along the lines of, I cried and cried last night and you never came. Mother of the year’s reaction to that was to go out again and leave them alone that night too.

Sorry double post!

Only two people know what happened to Maddie, and then as now they are saying nothing.

[quote] Madeline said to Kate something along the lines of, I cried and cried last night and you never came.

Do 3/4 year olds speak like that?

Sounds more like something Shirley Temple would say in a movie.

Yes, let's attack the parents and not the actual murderer!

R160 it’s not quite reading between the lines, but the implication is they are one in the same.

Who is the actual murderer r160? I didn't notice any trial take place in which someone was found guilty.

If there was a murderer, then he only got his hands on Madeleine because of her parents' irresponsibility. If someone had simply kidnapped her and planned to keep her alive, then the parents' constant plea of "we know she's alive, please let us know where she is" and their campaign to get the whole world looking for Maddie would have made an abductor feel he had to kill her and get rid of the body.

Attacking the murderer is right. Attempting to make excuses for the parents' pathetic behaviour is bullshit.

But they're not

Her parents killed her. This is like OJ and Jonbenet. Wake the fuck up and acknowledge the obvious.

[quote] Only two people know what happened to Maddie

Maddie? Gross. This is a frau cunt thread. F&F. Get the hysterical loons off of here.

R159, Kate McCann is the one who said that Madeleine had cried and said to her "I cried and cried and you never came". Kate then claims that for this reason they were extra vigilant the night she disappeared! If Madeleine was so disturbed that the poor little thing had been crying the night before and even complaining to her mother, then it's even more disgusting that her parents couldn't stay in for one night with their kids, one of whom at least was very upset (who knows what was going on with the other two).

R164 We’re implicating OJ for Jon Benet’s murder now too?

A 2008 article where Kate explains the story of Maddie crying. She had apparently told the police this. If you were the police and the mother of a disappeared child told you her kid had been crying at night while the parents were out and next day told you she'd been crying for you but you still went out that night, wouldn't you start to suspect the parents aren't being entirely truthful?

Apparently an elderly woman who was staying in a nearby apartment heard Maddie crying and crying the night before. It seems like Kate was aware that the woman had heard this so tried to put her spin on things by claiming Maddie had said that weird thing to her, and also using the opportunity to say how vigilant they were the night she disappeared.

r164, maybe you should wake the fuck up. There is zero evidence against the parents. This isn't like OJ. Try again.

She was alive for a couple of years after her abduction but she aged out of a being pedo's playtoy and so the MP that owned her had her killed.

"Maddie"? Did some posters actually know Madeleine McCann?

R171 Annoys me, too. Hers parents called her Madeleine and it’s creepy the way the press and others refer to her as “Maddie” or “Maddy.” Makes me wonder if a boy known to his parents as Robert had gone missing, would people call him “Robbie” or “Bobby?”

It’s a frau giveaway for sure.

[quote] There is zero evidence against the parents.

Oh, do piss off, frau cunt.

r173, you're the one who sounds like the websleuth fraus. They blame the parents

[quote]"Maddie"? Did some posters actually know Madeleine McCann?

She was consistently referred to as "Maddie" by media all over the world, so it's hardly odd that people use that name here.

R175 Yes, and just creepy. Her parents call her Madeleine.

And it’s just creepy *^

*Started by UK redtops

Close this ridiculous frau thread.

R179 Some of us non-fraus are interested in unsolved mysteries, not about judging some attractive doctor as “the worstest mommy ever!” to make us feel better about our own deficiencies as a parent.

Carry on....

R170 You think she was alive for YEARS? How could he pull that off? I think days at most...

R159, from the police file. I didn’t get the quote exactly right. I still think it might give a person pause about leaving small children alone, yet again.

Any other grizzled DL old-timers remember our Madeleine McCann field trip to the comment section of some British tabloid, the readership of which was almost exclusively Peak Frau?

It was the weekend and apparently no one was moderating, so there was a frau freakout when people started leaving messages about Madeleine's "saucy ways" and "impudence."

A merry 24 hours ensued.

R183, I wasn’t around at the time of this “field trip,” but you just made me laugh.

I found one of the comments!

"It's a well known fact in Portuguese fishing circles that Maddie had a HUGE vagine! That saucy little tramp certainly knew her way around a dock full of trouser gravy. Imagine how many men she would have slept with if her jealous mother had let her live? — Brenda Dickson"

R182, you are kind of taking things out of context.

[quote]Here in the States it's sort of, Oh, again? Meh. This country is so inured to child murders -- except white blonde children, so Madeleine may have stirred some interest -- that we barely notice. We are doomed.

There are a LOT of white blonde children that don't get any coverage and lots of black children that do. That was a myth that was exposed years ago. The two things that drive coverage are wealth and the parents determination to keep it before the media

How many missing black or brown children or even white boys has a police force spent £11 million of taxpayer money on? Sorry, the "missing white girl" syndrome is no myth.

Why do people keep going on about the parents' wealth and even - absolutely hilarious - that they are "upper class"?

The McCanns are doctors who work in the British NHS, they are comfortable but hardly unusually rich. Yes, they are articulate and even intelligent and were able to use that to make their daughter's disappearance a major news item, but the only salient fact about them being doctors for me is that they should have known better than the average person that they should not have sedated their kids (as seems plausible) and left them alone in a strange apartment at night.

I can't imagine having those two as doctors treating me. They couldn't even care enough about the welfare of their own three-year-old child. Why would they then be trusted with the health of complete strangers?

R181 I think kept alive for a couple of years, her "fame" would have added to the sick fuckery of it all, so the MP would have kept her around longer.

How many parents take children on holiday and go out every night leaving the children alone in an unlocked hotel room? Good parents NEVER in a million years!

This Major Breakthrough will lead to nothing as every other Major Breakthrough has over the last 13 years!

Exactly, r193.

R3, This new story is phony baloney, okay? That's why we don't care.

Her disturbingly look-alike parents and their little group of partiers know exactly what happened to Maddie.

After two major police investigations and 13 years of searching and various experts looking at every aspect of this case with no new evidence ever going anywhere, the only viable explanation is that this has to be an Alien abduction.

I agree that it would be very difficult for the parents to have killed her and hid the body without a trace in foreign country and a limited time frame.

That said, they were particularly despicable in never admitting to any wrongdoing and acting in the investigation in a way that was completely against the interest of finding their daughter.

So the parents left their kids alone, their daughter is taken, the lie, they leave the country, they are given sympathetic press, the government backs them 100% and they make more money out of this situation than they could probably dream off and nothing off that smells fishy? The parents profited greatly from the situation and have never seen a bit of criticism from the elites.

I would be a hysterical crying emotional wreck in any interviews after my kid was taken.....don't recall any tears from these two...odd huh, theyr very together... seems logical as an above poster said, they drugged her enuf, for a pedo to break in and wallk away with.... sorry assed parents, alas.

would be wonderful ! if she is found alive....we pray.

R200 It really wouldn't. If she is alive imagine what her life has been like. She'd probably be dead inside and broken for the rest of her life.

We pray r200? Speak for yourself.

She's dead. He took and used her, and then he destroyed the evidence. That is the cold truth.

Doesn’t excuse the cheap ass parents for not hiring someone to stay with the kids while they all enjoyed their dinner though. JFC, all three families in the group could have used a single carer for all their kids. Tightwads.

Within days of her abduction, Gerry was organising a tennis tournament and Kate was jogging daily just as we all would if a child of ours was abducted!

I'm curious about a guy here claiming to have had sex with Gerry. Did it happen before or after the disappearance? Was he cruising or did you meet online?

I've watched some of the news coverage and Gerry is definitely bulging.

R204: someone claimed that on an older McCann thread, not this one. The poster gave few details except that he was "100% certain" that it was McCann and that they hooked up at a hotel.

Gerry is definitely bi. Self loathing too. Hung like a horse but that frigid wifey stopped putting out after she dropped the last crotchfruit. So naturally he turned to men who were more than happy to ride his pole.

"So the parents left their kids alone, their daughter is taken, the lie, they leave the country, they are given sympathetic press, the government backs them 100% and they make more money out of this situation than they could probably dream off and nothing off that smells fishy?"

Sympathetic press? Tons of people were accusing them of being guilty and attacking their parenting (kind of like on this thread)

R203, I wouldn’t fault anyone for keeping up with their exercise regimen during a time of great stress. Those Type A’s do that kind of thing.

But organizing a tournament? I’m judging.

Gerry's well known in Glasgow for chasing after the young cock.

"There are at least two people involved."

After the disappearance, the parents had stayed in Portugal for months. They said they were going to stay until she was found. People had donated millions of dollars to them. After a few months, the Portuguese police named them as suspects. They left the country that day

The parents are the ones who were bossing the police around for the first few days. The police should have treated them like suspects that night. Instead they let the parents and all their friends and their kids wander around the apartment, contaminating it and ruining any kind of evidence that might have existed. There is no evidence this new suspect (they find new suspects every few years, they've never named them though) was there or that he did anything. It's complete bullshit from the british cops, who do this every few years and nothing ever comes of it. Every few years they say there's going to be an arrest

And a portuguese police officer said they investigated this German guy years ago and there wasn't any evidence against him

Why should they stay in Portugal when the police was falsely labeling them as suspects?

For people who kept giving interviews and saying they were staying there until their daughter was found, they packed up and split within a few hours

the parents are the reason this case will never be solved. They had a PR guy and were constantly doing interviews and trying to drum up donations. Then they pissed most of the money away. No one really knows where it all went

The kid was Patsy'd. End of story.

I wonder how emotionally and mentally screwed up the two remaining kids are, thanks to having two completely irresponsible, self-centred assholes as parents.

I wonder if they get into arguments with the mother and say things like, "Madeleine was so lucky she got away from you" or "I wish I had been taken away too like Madeleine."

[quote]And a portuguese police officer said they investigated this German guy years ago and there wasn't any evidence against him

Not having evidence against him doesn't mean he's innocent. Obviously the Portuguese police thought there was something about this guy to investigate him in the first place. The fact is there probably isn't much physical evidence against him right now, at least not to send him to trial, but the German police are saying that they have evidence that Madeleine was killed but not enough to find out where she was buried.

The really creepy thing is that this guy apparently told people that pigs can eat human flesh...

How much did they pocket off of this “kidnapping”?

R216 wouldn't surprise me if the nanny raised the twins instead of the parents, who would have been out campaigning to find Madeleine.

lets get more info on gay Gerry.....fascinating.....

R220 VERY well known in Glasgow.

She’s alive and well! Sends her ❤️

I heard a radio commercial for CBD gummies for children. Maybe they were part of a study on drugging young children. No matter who committed the murder the parents were negligent.

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I don't understand how they seem so detached.A wee girl called Alisha Mcphail was abducted and murdered in a small island off Scotland called Bute .Her family had not locked the door a monster called Aaron Campbell a 16 year old sneaked in while family slept.The piece of shit is serving 27 years.The wee girls mum just looks broken .It's scary to think such evil though rare exists

Gerry McCann looks like Bobby Flay to me.

R226 I’d rather fuck Bobby but I guess I’d end up pounding Gerry... because you know he’s FAMOUS in Glasgow. For being a cocksucking, insatiable bottom.

Maddie was kidnapped by Antifa. They're holding her at their headquarters.

So this case has moved once again no further than it did 13 years ago?

Nothing about this "break" makes sense.

[quote]I don't understand how they seem so detached.

A) they are doctors, where detachment goes to toughen up b) they were advised early on not to display too much emotion because abductors sometimes get off on it c) they are apparently deeply religious, at least she is, and draws strength from her faith.

R231 So deeply religious they went out to dinner 5 nights in a row leaving 3 tiny children in an unlocked room?

[quote] they are apparently deeply religious

Am I supposed to be impressed?

r230, nothing about blaming the parents makes sense.

R234 nothing about blaming the parents makes sense.

Fact! If the parents had spent each night in the room with the children she would not be missing now.

They are totally responsible for her disappearance.

Boggles the mind, leaving ones most precious treasures alone, unlocked in room in a foreign land....door open for all to enter and cause mayhem. good god

[quote] they are apparently deeply religious

Which tells me right away they're probably nuts

I'm not sure why some people find it so hard to comprehend that it's possible that, even though the parents didn't kill their kid, they were highly negligent and their actions impeded the investigation.

It isn't something I would have done but I can see how it happened, just as I can imagine how they suffer for it every waking moment.

Back in the day I hung out on some UK message boards and it was so sad how much and how quickly the vitriol devolved from disapproval of their decision to class based resentment.

I just don't accept the blame ends with the parents, Karens. The way most of you post suggests whoever did it deserves acquittal. I don't mind that you're merciless on here, so much, but are you this awful in your real lives? Because, well, when you wonder why you're lonely or unhappy...

Wow, who knew that only ‘Karens’ hire babysitters for their very young children.

The apartment had a stove in it. But yeah, it’s totally reasonable to leave two 18 month olds and a three-year-old unattended in there for several hours.

I am outraged! For confusing reasons!

no sign of a bulge in ANY of his pics. fake news.

R239 When the child disappeared there was a huge amount of sympathy and support for the parents in the UK but as time went on a strange unease grew as the parents just didn't act naturally, plus they suddenly had a team of press advisers and spokesman handling every move they made. People are not naturally cruel but there are many aspects of this case that just do not add up and as Judge Judy says "If it doesn't sound right it's not true".

"Karen" is such a fucking meaningless insult now. I don't have kids, but even I know that leaving a three-year-old and two babies alone in an unlocked apartment all evening is irresponsible. There was a busy road and a pool nearby. And if there'd be a fire, how would they have got out?

R235, then I guess you could blame the parents in every single case where a kid was kidnapped or killed.

What's funny is that DL likes to whine about "helicopter parents" who never leave their kids alone, but when parents leave their kids alone and something bad happens they're the first ones to blame the parents. Even though most people who post here are childless gay men who don't know the first thing about parenting.

The "theory" that they accidentally gave their daughter an overdose makes no sense. They're doctors, do you think they wouldn't know what dose to give?

Is it true that the group of couples were swingers? That’s why they all shut the fuck up. While they were fucking one another, this happened.

[quote]The "theory" that they accidentally gave their daughter an overdose makes no sense. They're doctors, do you think they wouldn't know what dose to give?

I think the theory is that one parent gave her a dose then without realizing she'd already been dosed the other parent gave her another. But then wouldn't all of the kids have been overdosed?

They were definitely sedating the kids (Gerry's ridiculous denial in a Portuguese TV interview is proof of that), plus the fact that Madeleine had been crying all the night before and so they wantedto to make sure she was asleep on the fateful night.

That doesn't mean they overdosed her but it does mean that it would be easy for a kidnapper to take the kids if they were sedated, especially since there were three of them and Madeleine wouldn't, for example, be able to cry out, thus waking the other two, who would then also cry out.

The sedation theory also explains why the McCanns behaved so strangely, e.g. they and their friends walked through the apartment before the police got there, moving things about and disturbing the crime scene and the unconvincing timeline of events they and their friends gave. It explains why the detective found them suspicious, even if he didn't get everything absolutely right.

[quote]What's funny is that DL likes to whine about "helicopter parents" who never leave their kids alone, but when parents leave their kids alone and something bad happens they're the first ones to blame the parents.

Yes. Because both are bad parents.

[quote]Even though most people who post here are childless gay men who don't know the first thing about parenting.

Honey, I don't know how to fly a glider, either, but if I see one in a tree I know somebody fucked up.

One of the problems with medication dosage is it is predicated on guidelines of who they test and do studies of it on, and for the most part that is male, white and as as statically average as possible in age, height and weight. There are complicated ethical issues in doing medication studies on children and are thus limited in scope, so their dosage tends to be the best educated guess based on information gathered in adult studies. Children, women and people of color are much more risk for medication complications than white males who the guidelines were structured around.

Many of you don't seem to be aware that the resort offered both nanny service and crib service (sleeping arrangements) for parents who wanted a night out. The well to do parents couldn't be bothered to pay an extra five dollars.

I immediately block any post that generalizes about DLers.

You know who you are.

But who are you, r252?

So once again the Major Breakthrough In Madeleine McCann Case is another red herring. There is no more evidence now than there was 13 years ago when she first disappeared. Very strange indeed and millions has been spent leading nowhere. There is something about this whole case that needs looking into as people are being protected by the highest levels of Government in the UK.

It's not a red herring. The investigation is ongoing and he's still the main suspect.

The British media reported this morning that a German prosecutor wrote to the McCanns to say there is "concrete evidence" that Madeleine is dead. The McCanns say this is untrue. All a bit strange.

What would that evidence be, other than a confession or the body found?

Video or photographic evidence?

[quote]"Furthermore, we do not have a family spokesperson nor are we actively paying any lawyers."

The McCanns said this in their statement as reported in the link at r256. I'm pretty sure Clarence Mitchell was speaking supposedly on their behalf the other week, as was a lawyer who was described as "their lawyer".

There's too much dodgy stuff circling around the McCanns, stuff that doesn't add up. Either the British journalists misunderstood what the German police official supposedly said about sending the McCanns a letter or the McCanns are lying. The letter could have got lost in the post, but I doubt it.

The McCanns have always adamantly refused to contemplate the (very likely) possibility that Madeleine is dead, even now when German police believe there is strong evidence that she is. Perhaps it's just the reaction of two grief-stricken parents, clinging on to the tiniest possibility that she's still alive. Or perhaps there's something else going on.

The McCanns have always adamantly refused to contemplate the (very likely) possibility that Madeleine is dead, even now when German police believe there is strong evidence that she is. Perhaps it's just the reaction of two grief-stricken parents, clinging on to the tiniest possibility that she's still alive. Or perhaps there's something else going on.

They even made the statement that it's false they received a letter stating that Madeleine is dead from the German police on their website called findmadeleine.com. If they still think it's possible to find Madeleine - alive at any rate - then they're seriously deluded.

She's dead. STFU and move on

Concrete evidence means that she’s buried in concrete.

I think Elizabeth Smart gave people too many delusions of what usually happens in these cases.

A small foreign faction strikes again!

R109, the mccanns did not use the "check up on your kid service" (or whatever it's called). They didn't want to pay for it/give a tip to the babysitter.

They preferred to leave their kids alone. The whole entire group of them. They didn't give a single fuck about their kids. The resort wasn't liable for a damned thing. Don't even mention the resort. This was all the fault of the parents, who went around the block to a restaurant. They couldn't even see their room from the restaurant. Of course the mccanns tried to blame all the resort employees.

Ive never seen either one shed a tear, one would think the momma at least would have broken down in the early interviews.....if me, ide be hysterical.. cryng, screaming,, argghhh ...cant imagine losing a child, losing a pet is bad enuf.

Some pretty awful things translated from German sources in this thread. What a fucking freak.

So the latest claim is apparently that the German police sent the letters to the McCanns telling them that they believe they have evidence Madeleine is dead via the British police, but the British police did not deliver the letters to the McCanns. Some dirty games going on here.

I feel like the tabloids are making hay but that theres not much of a story for them to work with.

The parents are killed her.

Minus the "are".

The parents did not kill her.

But did they pay the pedophile to take her away?

So as far as I can see the evidence is that he was at the scene of the crime just before she was taken. He had motive opportunity and intent.

[quote] The parents did not kill her.

Oh, you were there? Turn yourself in please.

[quote] the mccanns did not use the "check up on your kid service" (or whatever it's called). They didn't want to pay for it/give a tip to the babysitter.

Link.

if the parents did do it, accidentally, how could they live with the guilt all this time without freaking out??

R279, do you know how many parents have killed their kids and kept up the charade? The Ramseys, Casey Anthony, Susan Smith, etc? There are tons of sociopaths in the world. The McCanns also probably don’t want to lose their children.

R276, actually there isn't any evidence that he was at the scene of the crime just before she disappeared. There's a lot of circumstantial evidence to suggest he was involved, but there's nothing that puts him at the scene of the crime (this is not to say he wasn't there).

R278, it's a well-known fact that the McCanns and their friends didn't use babysitters or the check your kids services available at the resort. They infamously - or so they claim - went and checked up on the kids themselves.

Has anything come of this?

From 2/27/21

The German police probably have photos and videos that he made of her.

I think it’s taking a while to indict him because they have to prove the photos and/videos are in fact of MM.

R284, when do they believe he killed MM? Was she alive with her captor for hours, days, months, years?

Was she a cocksucker like Gia Giudice?

As long as I don't have to hear that cunt Nancy Grace bray on about it...

They may have identified MM in any possible video or photographic evidence which certainly seems what the German prosecutor is saying but he may not be in the photos or videos and/or they may not be able to definitively put him on the scene when said were taken. It just may be the material was either found in his possession or on property linked to him.

This is an amazing breakthrough and if only the Portugeuese police had done their job at the time this would probably be resolved by now. Unbelievable that they had the cellphone data at the time but never bothered to analyze it. The circumstantial evidence we know about now is very damning.

Based on the facts of the case, the likeliest and most believable scenario is that the parents covered up Madeleine's death. Not sure if she died from being overly sedated or what. The biggest shocker would be that they got x-number of friends to go along with it.

Did the parents ever take the Hippocratic oath?

"This is an amazing breakthrough and if only Madeleine's parents had done their job as parents at the time this would probably never have happened."

Fixed it for you, r289.

R290, I don't know if they're covering up her death but they're definitely covering something up, most likely that they sedated her. Just look at how Gerry tugs his ear, turns his head away and does a fake laugh when denying that they sedated Madeleine. He's straight up lying.

^ Whoops, here's the link for r292.

"Ask the dogs, Sandra."

[quote]How about: all the parents sedated all their kids, and that's what they were shifty/ lying about.

R70, that's actually a good theory. It's challenging to imagine why the Tapas 7 would line up behind the McCanns.

R292, No innocent and grief-stricken father would be physically or psychologically able to utter any sound even remotely like a laugh or scoff, as McCann does.

The parents accidentally overdosed Madeleine (who the designated "checker" [from their group of probable swingers] thought was asleep); returned home eventually to find her dead; buried her with the help of the local clergy (the McCanns, church-goers, know money talks but also keeps mum); and Bob's your uncle.

My theory.

I agree with everything you wrote R296, except your use of the word "accidentally."

When one doses their child with sedative substances that can have fatal consequences, it's a deliberate act. While the intent is only temporary sedation, the concept of sedating a child with drugs that can result in fatality perhaps ventures beyond the realm of "accidental." Otherwise, there's an attempt at normalising this action, no? I mean, perhaps this is semantics. I dunno.

Come on, it was obviously the parents who did it! Do you seriously expect me to believe there was a sinister guy staring at their apartment from across the street for days and no one got suspicious (not even them whenever they got in and out of their room) and reported him to the staff or the police? Or that he broke into their apartment and only kidnapped her and not her siblings for whatever reason? Or that none of the 3 kids ever woke up from all the noise? Or that she didn't cry or scream while being abducted? She must've ODed from the sleeping pills they slipped her, one of her doc parents must've performed a tracheotomy on her to try and save her (hence the blood behind the couch), realized all hope was lost, shoved her into the trunk of their rental car (hence the blood there) and gotten rid of her body. Also the way she barged into the restaurant screaming "They've taken my baby!". How did she know that? Couldn't her daughter have just woken up and gone looking for her parents? Another case of loaded people getting away with their crimes scot-free

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I thought the German police are convinced it's him and have him sitting in jail on different charges so they can finish tying their case together.

How many years can you languish in prison in Germany while they make a case against you?

Granted, he may well be there for other heinous crimes.

R301 It's my undersranding he IS

Parents?

R63 Ikr? That is weird ad all hell. I thought it was pretty much a given that, if BOTH your parents were light-eyed, you'd be too. That goes against the natural order of things

I don't think for a second they killed her, I think they were irresponsible parents who stupidly left little kids on their own to go have a good time.

I know it’s outrageous what’s going on in Germany, isn’t it r301?

R171 And you know this because? Plus, I doubt that, just because he's come out, now he's gonna go around shouting "Ladies and gents, this is my BF" or "Ladies and gents, I fucked this guy last night"

Sorry, keep posting in the wrong thread

Parents just lost their suit against a book claiming they did it.

r309 So, they DID do it, just as suspected. Why have they not been arrested yet, then?