Coronavirus Freakout 34: Take My Breath Away

Previous thread

Like the title

My Kate Bush suggestion was much better:

BREATHING!

NO BITCHING YOU GODDAMNED CUNT ^

Ladies, please !

We're in the midst of a Holy Season. It would please me greatly if everyone would make an effort to get along.

Great title, OP.

Is anyone else more concerned about the Greater Depression that this shutdown is creating?

More Kate Bush..

Running up that hill...

What’s the title? I have OP blocked.

Title is Take My Breathe Away after the song by Berlin, R9

Thx, R10.

Looks like this one will be the official. I quickly ignored the all caps person I’m sure is another incarnation of ..... never mind.

I like the title.

Most of us are oversaturated with Coronavirus Freakout threads. We need a fresh start.

Corona: The New Wave

I thought of that too but got no feed back. I don’t want the old ones deleted they have lot of goo info.

I'm not sure if Every Breath You Take or I'll Take Sweden have been used since nobody is listing the thread titles in sequence, but those are the first titles that come to my faltering mind.

All of this back and forth about statistics per country relies on the questionable presumption that all are accurately reporting the mortality and case numbers. We need correlated diagnoses data to get a better idea of the true aggregate. Here's an article in The Economist that addresses the discrepancies. (It's not paywalled, just register on the site if you don't get immediate access to the article.)

Goodbye, Rosie, Queen of Corona...

What's this obsession with Kate Bush?

Who is Kate Bush?

She's 61 years old.

She's an ElderBush.

Burning Love

Death total is over 20000 now

Why are the majority of the posts about the thread title and nothing more? Focus on the topic!!

I’m the op of the last thread and I mistakenly started 2 threads for 34 I don’t care my recent one was rejected. I don’t see a lot of complaining about the titles on this thread so it’s probably someone I ignored. If they are using caps and words like fucking and cunt you are better off being ignoring them. . It is someone with a Queen Bee complex.

Namaste, r23

Someone posted in last thread about coagulation in severe Covid19 cases. Any update?

The thing is, few people actually like Kate Bush. They only SAY that they do to appear artsy.

There's a theory gaining ground among some doctors that ventilator treatment may be harmful, because COVID-19 patients don't react like typical ARS patients, more like people with high-altitude sickness.

[quote] What’s driving this reassessment is a baffling observation about Covid-19: Many patients have blood oxygen levels so low they should be dead. But they’re not gasping for air, their hearts aren’t racing, and their brains show no signs of blinking off from lack of oxygen.

Is there another thread? This one is very slow.

It’s only 7:30 am EST in US, r28

This is the only active thread. We ran out of things to say.

Today is 🐣 so Happy Easter!

Oops. I didn’t realize the thread was started by desperate Rosalind Russell. She was the one giving me a hard time because I started another thread like the control freak she is I unignored to see if it was her sure enough it was.

Rosalind, since you never won an Oscar did winning a special Oscar make you feel better? Guess I’ll never know because I’m going to put you back on ignore (like many) and I swear never talk about you again...

Trial for anticoagulant treatment

Another article about anticoagulant use.

Sorry for the bad link on the last one.

Like Coumadin? Because one of my customers who is elderly got covid and I thought he'd be a goner because he's in poor health, I inferred this because when he gets his dog groomed we have to grind the dog's nails perfectly smooth because the guy is on blood thinners and the dog scratches the shit out of him. Guy is fine and altho he got "as sick as the Asian flu of 50's" he bounced back great and was never hospitized. He had to fight to be tested tho and he's rich. Pissed him off.

R32 Interesting. I'd hope that patients wouldn't have to remain on the blood thinners indefinitely since they cause a host of other problems (my dad was on them for years.)

The link I posted at R27 makes me think that there might also be some validity in the research into nitric oxide as a treatment, opening up the capillaries increasing O2 intake without invasive procedures. Take your viagra, boys!

[quote] What's this obsession with Kate Bush?

It’s an obsession with Kate Bush.

Oh, great, the "ventilators are being overused" theory just gave Jared a hard-on. And Trump can crow that he was right all along.

As the late William Goldman said, a propos of showbiz, "nobody knows anything."

I nominate NO BITCHING YOU GODDAMNED CUNT as the next thread title.

Theyre gonna open up the country too early. Mark my words, my mid May a lot of us will be pressured to return to the office

As soon as the daily new infection rate is about equal to the health care system's ability to treat the new infections, everyone is going to be ordered back to work. We all know that coal fired electric generation plants pollute the air and increase the incidence of serious illness and death in those with respiratory illness. But we still have coal plants. We all know that tobacco causes serious illness and death. But we still have a tobacco industry.

As long as the titans of industry calculate that the number of deaths is manageable, then everyone in America is potentially expendable. So don't get so fat you can't get back into your work clothes. You're going back. Sooner rather than later and whether it's safe for you or not. The only calculation that matters is whether it is safe for the investor class.

Lots of sirens this Easter morning on the Upper West Side of NYC. Bummer.

Thanks to the Coronavirus, Kate Bush wouldn't be able to have a long list of guests on her wedding list, as she does here in this 1979 video:

Pleases stop starting new threads so early. I know Sylvia you were itching to start another one and just couldn't wait.

As Kate Bush said in her 1991 cover of Elton John's "Rocket Man" -

"I think it's going to be a long, long time..."

Till things get back to normal.

Can we go one day without fighting over whose thread title is the lousiest?

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 12 - 10:15 AM EST

🐰HAPPY EASTER !

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,796,485

DEATHS: 110,033

CRITICAL: 50,525

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 533,470

DEATHS: 20,595

CRITICAL: 11,471

✋: ✝️ GOD BLESS US, EVERYONE !

Ideally the antibody test would become widely available and people could get certified to return to work if they have high levels.

Then if the researchers can figure out with a high degree of certainty who will be on the asymptomatic-like a cold-like a mild flu continuum those people could choose to be infected in a quarantined congregate environment so they can get to antibodies without infecting other people.

Then employers needs to be creative in reassigning tasks so the immune can have the public facing jobs and the vulnerable can continue to work from home until there is a vaccine or effective treatment.

That’s my, probably stupid, plan for re-opening the economy.

Earlier, someone wanted a more meaningful death statistics. John Hopkins U responds.

I hope that this experience will make Boris Johnson more humble and less of a dick in the future . Sadly, it is his stupid decisions early on which have already sentenced many people in the UK to an awful and painful death.

That’s my, probably stupid, plan for re-opening the economy.

Well I liked it!

Meanwhile in Australia, this collection of spikes in a bath towel probably has access to better healthcare than most americans.

Everybody knows about the Burning Bush, but hardly anyone's heard of the Kate Bush.

Dr Gottlieb on “Faze the Nation” just sort of threw cold water on that idea. He estimated only two to five percent have developed antibodies so far (likely closer to two).

Hard to wisely reopen if 95+ percent are still at risk.

Coronavirus Freakout 35: I Can't Wait (For The Coronavirus To End!)

That'll teach them!

Guardian-Meanwhile in India, ten tourists have been forced to write ‘sorry’ 500 times after breaching the country’s lockdown. AFP reports that the travellers - from Israel, Mexico, Australia and Austria - were caught taking a walk in Rishikesh, flouting the rule that allows people to leave their homes only for essential services like buying groceries and medicine. Over 700 foreign tourists from the US, Australia, Mexico and Israel staying in the area had disobeyed the lockdown rules, a local police officer said, adding the unusual punishment was handed out to teach them a lesson.

[quote]Everybody knows about the Burning Bush, but hardly anyone's heard of the Kate Bush.

"Hardly anyone," OH, MOSES?

r50, unfortunately, like Donald Trump, he's a malignant narcissist, and there's no cure for that. He'll go on being a self-centered, tone-deaf, irresponsible cunt to his dying day.

R54 Indeed the antibody tests are a fucking wet dream. We don't even have enough tests to know how many are currently infected. True, there are millions of people people in the US who have already been infected. But, there are also tens of millions who have not. You can not outsmart this virus. It will win every time.

Most of today's numbers from Europe are total bullshit. We are in the middle of a long holiday weekend. This is not the US. We stop. We pause. Even tomorrow, Monday, is an official holiday in several countries. Expect big numbers on Wednesday and beyond after we catch up with the reporting.

Thx for links at r32.

To Coumadin fans. Per the link at r32 / r33 (this doctor risked everything), an anticoagulant is not the same thing as a blood thinner:

[quote]“I said, ‘What can we lose?'” Poor told The Associated Press. “So I decided to give him not just a blood thinner, but an anticoagulant.”

An anticoagulant breaks up the clots. I don’t know how these two meds act, but just wanted to clarify.

Is there a rapper named Kovid-9teen yet?

Agree in poor stats reporting right now - checked Worldometer and there are already gaps for Europe.

Interesting that many countries - like Italy - are seeing flattening but not major declines. I would have thought that after a month of distancing and shutdown, there would be a more significant decline. Seems like they are still weeks away from a decline that would allow them to think about loosening restrictions. Which doesn’t bode well for US. The prediction charts show a smooth bubble chart peak and then quick decline to minimal numbers by May 1. It’s looking more like an extended plateau in Europe - even after a month. Which means June 1 not May 1 for a meaningful decline in US numbers to justify a reopening. Ouch.

R49, the data from Johns Hopkins lumps inaccurate/deliberate statistical obfuscation into "other factors". I haven't been able to find any data that shows mortality levels trending for other diagnoses that correlate to COVID-19, e.g. pneumonia, cardiac arrest, etc., that the Trump/Putin ilk could use to skew the data. Analysis of trending for all correlated diagnoses would give us a better idea of what's what.

I’ve had a dry cough since 4/1/20. has it been long enough to not be worried about Coronadeath?

Stevie Nicks lost all her credibility when she fell in love with Harry Styles and called him 'my little muse'.

No social distancing in this clip.

Good bye, cruel Datalounge. I can’t take it anymore.

I’m quitting you. You’ve broken me. I’ve got 23 of your on ignore. That says go, because I realize, I don’t want thick enough skin to endure you. And this after 7997 replies and 19047 W&Ws. There are still some decent people certainly and some smart and witty ones, but when you’re dark, you’re really dark around here. Things are bad enough without wallowing in it. The paranoia, the pessimism, the anger and unnecessary, excessive unkindness... It’s not good. Some of you can’t even ease off the gas a little during this mess. Lighten up, people, or you’ll eat yourselves alive when you’re done with everyone else. But hey, at least some of you will get whatever you get out of lashing out at this post. Bear in mind, though, it wasn’t to make a difference, just a statement.

I wish you all luck and good health, even the dark ones, for whom I also wish effective therapy come the day you can actually sit face to face with someone.

de Blasio says NYC doesn't need as many ventilators as originally thought. Regardless of how terribly Trump has handled this, if they overestimated what they needed it will make Trump look good.

What an awful person a certain Psuedo Queen Bee is. She Keeps on using different things to post. I'll keep on ignoring this person.

Has anyone having trouble filing for unemployment? I learned the first initials of your last name you can only file on certain days which it today. I try on my iPad and several browsers were declined. Worked on my android until at a certain point it crashes.

Oh don’t go R68

You’re clearly invested in those WWs and you’re almost to 20,000. Take a break for a day or two, or join the club and become a fucking cunt. Your choice.

Is R68 the one who writes all those 'Open Letter to the woman who mommy-shamed me in line at Target when Orchid cried because they didn't have tangerine Lacroix in the checkout cooler' -type posts on Huffpo?

What's the difference if time off is taken to observe the Holidays? It's very important to many of us to remember what this season is about.

Dead on Saturday, still dead on Monday or Tuesday.

[quote]An anticoagulant breaks up the clots. I don’t know how these two meds act, but just wanted to clarify.

Heparin deactivates certain clotting factors. It doesn't break up existing clots, but it does prevent them from getting worse and allowing the body's own lytic systems to take over.

Coumadin lowers the body's ability to form clots by stopping the recycling of Vitamin K and lowering overall factor levels. It's also slow to act.

I feel like this is never going to be over.

I thought the "I put him on block, and half of the thread disappeared" #TrollStalker left a long time ago.

You find ALL of us fascinating. You'll never leave.

😘 But you didn't need me to tell you that!

Can I have your stuff r68 ?

[quote]if the researchers can figure out with a high degree of certainty who will be on the asymptomatic-like a cold-like a mild flu continuum

Is there any way to predict which of the relatively young and healthy population will be on the mild/asymptomatic end of the spectrum vs the critically ill or dead side? The latter is a very small number but from what I’ve read it seems totally random.

R78 Agree, that seems to be a risky gamble. Some young people with no preexisting conditions did end up in ICU (and not just the fat ones). It's rare, but it happens.

[quote] Is there any way to predict which of the relatively young and healthy population will be on the mild/asymptomatic end of the spectrum vs the critically ill or dead side? The latter is a very small number but from what I’ve read it seems totally random.

We have only been aware of this illness, at all, for just a few months. Why is it not perfectly obvious to everyone that we cannot possibly even know the basics of this novel coronavirus in such a short time, let alone complex things like that quoted above?

The answer to most of these silly speculations is, "Not at present. Check back in due time."

A growing sentiment around here it is okay to be a cunt. There is a big difference being a cunt and a bitch.

R79 and this is just with a relatively small proportion of the population affected. Here in Belgium, the land of the bikers and the healthy, many young people with no underlying conditions have shocking damage to their bodies. For sure, their life expectancy has been affected by the the virus. We will only know the truth many years later.

We don’t need to test the whole population R54, just the Orthodox in New Rochelle, along with medical histories, genetic testing and standard labs. Put it all in one of those AI predictive computers and hope for an algorithm to appear.

So when will Fauci be fired? He said on CNN today that had "they" (the Trump team) started mitigation actions when recommended (three weeks earlier) many lives would have been saved, "but it is what it is."

NYT article confirms that Trump ignored the advice of experts in mid Feb and cancelled meetings about mitigation action since the stock market was crashing.

R84. For sure his days in this administration are numbered. But he will find work elsewhere. He doesn't need Trump. But Trump sorely needs him. I wonder how loose he tongue would be without the devil constantly breathing on his back.

Rereading that thread a few months later is a bit creepy. Some people definitely sound like they had corona.

The virus has an incubation period of 3-14 days. You can be infected but have no symptoms. Also, you can start out feeling more or less normal or like you're just having a mild case, and then the cytokine storm and acute respiratory distress syndrome can hit and you're suddenly gasping for breath (which is quite possibly what happened to Trump's English cousin Boris Johnson.)

If Trump had spent the last couple of weeks allowing people who actually know what they're talking about to inform the public, rather than pulling shit out of his ass and waving it merrily around to the adoring cheers of his fans, we'd be in a better place to plan our return to regular business.

Blood thinners come in 2 categories: Anti-platelet and anticoagulant meds so both are blood thinners. Coumadin is an anticoagulant, it acts by slowing down the body's clot-making process. Coumadin's intravenous counterpart is Heparin and both prevent formed clots from becoming bigger as opposed to dissolving actual clots. Anti-platelet meds include aspirin and Plavix among others, these meds prevent platelets from clumping to form clots in the first place. But despite anticoagulants not specifically dissolving clots, the time that it prevents thrombin (a crucial clotting protein) from doing its job, it also allows the body time to break up formed clots.

R79 Some people are predisposed to complications of viral infections due to genetic errors that otherwise cause no outward manifestations. People who have it don't even know themselves because they're healthy and normal-appearing otherwise. This is based upon research into why certain healthy, young individuals die or have serious complications from H1N1 and the influenza virus.

Coronavirus Freakout 36: Brave New World

By DL Fave, Toyah!

New beginnings, new surroundings, new love

Another world to dream of!

New beginnings, new surroundings, new love

It's a brave new world!

[quote] ...rather than pulling shit out of his ass and waving it merrily around to the adoring cheers of his fans....

That describes it perfectly.

Would Scotch be a decent substitute for pharma blood thinners?

I think the numbers they are giving in Virginia are wrong. My dad lives on a farm in a rural area and all members of the family next door have corona and one of his friends died from it last week. It’s way more prevalent than what the official numbers reflect.

Make like Helen Lawson and avoid booze and dope. Don't put any extra strain on your lungs, liver, or heart.

Instead of stimulus checks unemployment money, the government should have spent $2T making N95 masks and sent ten of them everyone in the country. With proper hand washing and masks, we would all be protected and things could run normally. Close all borders until the world has this virus under control or we have a reliable vaccine.

R91 In theory it would because alcohol thins the blood. But then alcohol also suppresses your immunity, in fact it's a strong immunosuppressant. So while it'll make your blood thinner it'll also make you more susceptible to infections. If it's good for one thing then it's also bad for another. That's how medicine rolls too, why there are no treatments or meds that are free from side effects.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Sorry- I try not to correct people for not understanding science or medicine, but those on here who are going on about anticoagulants and antiplatelet agents being used to treat COVID patients are really infuriating.

The class of drugs that may be of benefit to the sickest COVID-19 patients is thrombolytics. Not heparin, not Coumadin, not Plavix. Thrombolytic agents have been used for many years to attempt to improve survival for many types of shock/MSOF, with some studies showing a benefit and others showing harm.

Please stop talking about things you know nothing about and read the articles that have been posted.

One of my doctors groups mentioned something about starting COVID patients on unfractionated heparin to lower the risks of DIC happening in the first place. I think the recommendations were if someone had a d-dimer >1500 to put them on a drip. And unfractionated was preferred over LMWH because it has more anti-inflammatory properties.

But, yeah, pushing tPa is better for an acute event.

Per CNN "One of the largest pork processing facilities in the US is closing until further notice

One of the country's largest pork processing facilities is closing until further notice as employees fall ill with Covid-19. The closure puts the country's meat supply at risk, said the CEO of Smithfield, which operates the plant. "The closure of this facility, combined with a growing list of other protein plants that have shuttered across our industry, is pushing our country perilously close to the edge in terms of our meat supply," the meat processor's chief executive, Kenneth Sullivan, said in a statement Sunday. "It is impossible to keep our grocery stores stocked if our plants are not running," he said. "These facility closures will also have severe, perhaps disastrous, repercussions for many in the supply chain."

The Sioux Falls, South Dakota, facility accounts for 4% to 5% of the country's pork production and employs about 3,700 people, according to Smithfield.

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem said during a Saturday news briefing that Smithfield employees accounted for more than half of the active coronavirus cases in the state. About 240 employees are sick, she said, out of roughly 430 active cases in the state. Because of that, she and the mayor of Sioux Falls recommended that Smithfield suspend operations for at least two weeks.

The problem extends beyond South Dakota. Meat processors in Iowa and Pennsylvania have also shut their doors because of sick employees. Smithfield will maintain some activity in the plant on Tuesday to process its inventory, the company said, as it prepares to fully shut down, adding that it will compensate employees for the next two weeks."

R98 So there would have to be a trade-off or sacrifice over more predicable course of anticoagulation as well as longer duration if choosing UFH over LMWH? If not contraindicated, why not trial patients on SC enoxaparin?

Im sure the inpatients are already in subQ enoxaparin.

R67 Styles doesn't need a face mask he needs a muzzle.

R68

Panic buy bacon!! It freezes well!!!

If you are ignoring that many people I suspect it is mostly only one person. Using different accounts , sometimes using your registered name and not or different devices ( I have more than one. I dont know how that works) .

You know the old cliche. Misery loves company. Dont give her what she wants.

r99, link or it never happened. You're unfit for DL. Go back to MommyBlogs.

DL doesn't allow you to link to CNN. Take your sorry ass home to your basement R106.

Oh you're an LSA conspirafrau. Got it. And you can go lick an ER armrest now.

The story is all over the place but DL blocks a LOT of sources.

What researchers are doing to work safely.

If u freeze bacon make sure it u separate it

Happy Easter everyone

Pope Francis advocated for a universal basic income amid the coronavirus pandemic in an Easter letter to leaders of social movements and organizations around the world.

“This may be the time to consider a universal basic wage which would acknowledge and dignify the noble, essential tasks you carry out,” he wrote. “It would ensure and concretely achieve the ideal, at once so human and so Christian, of no worker without rights.”

In his message the pope acknowledged that the pandemic and subsequent economic shutdowns have hit “twice as hard” for those without any legal guarantee of protection.

“Street vendors, recyclers, carnies, small farmers, construction workers, dressmakers, the different kinds of caregivers: you who are informal, working on your own or in the grassroots economy, you have no steady income to get you through this hard time ... and the lockdowns are becoming unbearable,” he wrote.

DL seems to be perfectly OK with New York Post and other Murdoch links.

R114 Yeah, why is CNN blocked here? And the Guardian too (I believe)?

Boris thanks the NHS and doctors and nurses who saved him, and talks a bit at how at risk his life was.

Boris: "I want to thank the doctors... who took some crucial decisions a few days ago for which I will be grateful for the rest of my life."

Hopefully this will be explained later. What crucial decisions?

[quote] Pope Francis advocated for a universal basic income amid the coronavirus pandemic

Ha! Take that right wing "Christian" shitheads!

Death rate in the UK is around 12.5%. Not good. And when the BBC was reporting on the 10,000+ death milestone today, they added that that number is at hospitals and doesn't include deaths at care homes or the community.

R117 Resisting the temptation to get rid of him?

R116 Boris should apologize to the family members of the hundreds of people who died because of how badly he fucked this up. Why hasn’t he?

Now that everyone has to register regardless of whether or not you pay a monthly fee, you have nowhere to hide. You can easily be tracked by your IP address, so attempting to establish more than one account isn't viable, no matter if you post on different devices.

Muriel has become a highly sophisticated surveillance operative.

"The NHS has saved my life, no question." -- Boris

He then went on to say that "NHS is powered by love," and named two nurses in particular who were assigned to him: "Jenny from New Zealand and Luis from Portugal."

He didn't say anything about getting more protective equipment (a big problem in the UK), and somehow I doubt every patient gets two nurses.

Luis from Portugal ....

He looks remarkable for someone who was in the ICU not even a week ago.

They put him in the ICU preemptively because of who he is. Wonder if someone who really needed it died in his place. They should have let him rot in the hallway with the thousands of deaths that are on his hands because of his fucking this up so spectacularly.

R50 wouldn’t hold my breath, with that arrogant cunt.

Paging Luis from Portugal.... Paging Luis from Portugal....

Luis from Portugal, PLEASE answer your page!!!

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 12 - 4:45 PM EST

✝️ HAPPY EASTER

🐇 HOPPY EASTER

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,846,800

DEATHS: 113,883

CRITICAL: 50,762

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 557,040

DEATHS: 21,952

CRITICAL: 11,766

✋: CHOCOLATE IS THE CURE !

Jared Kushner's Incompetence Is Getting People Killed

[quote] You can easily be tracked by your IP address.

R122 Not that I care, but are you suggesting a VPN can't hide your real IP address here?

Youtube is not a news source.

Jared Kushner looks like Spanky.

"Jenny from New Zealand and Luis from Portugal."

Two people, who he and his Brexit friends, want to keep out of the country in the future. Wonder who will change his diapers during the next pandrmic.

[quote] Wonder who will change his diapers during the next pandemic.

It won't be Nurse Sara, whom Boris posed with last year. She caught it due to lack of protective equipment and died after seven days. They say she was near the end of her 33-year career and set to retire in a few months.

Psychiatrist Says Trump Displaying "Anti-Human" Tendencies

New report out from Morgan Stanley's biotech research dept.

no way will Fauci last in his current position given what he said today, accurately blaming Trump admin for not implementing social distancing before March

Maybe Boris wasn't hospitalized for his COVID-19 after all. Maybe he had a psychotic break or attempted suicide. He can't be coping well. Unlike his American doppelganger Donald, he isn't being given free reign to loot the treasury and hold daily televised stream of consciousness masturbation sessions. He's actually expected to do his job and that has to panic him.

R136 Per the Morgan Stanley graph. COVID-19 will follow the same pattern as the Spanish Flu of 1918. Our dumb ass greedy leaders will make the same mistake they did in 1918.They will prematurely lift the social distancing and trumpet "ALL CLEAR" this summer. The second wave will decimate us in the winter. History does repeat itself because human beings, especially those who lead us make the same mistakes over and over again. It's a wonder any of us are still alive. Fools.

Can Trump actually get rid of Fauci though? He’d completely shout himself in the foot if he did that.

shoot

As was predicted by Hillary and others, Donald Trump is a literal threat to the continued existence of the country.

So do you think Trump's mysterious trip to Walter Reed was related to his his alleged plasma treatment.

Was today really Easter? Does anyone have any sense of time anymore?

No, R143, any plasma treatment he may have had would have been done at the White House.

far less deaths today! Pandemic over!

Today felt so lonely. Took my mom to the city to a good restaurant serving Easter dinners curbside to go. Ate it inside my SUV and came back home.

I wonder how many deplorables went to their megachurches today

R140, yes, Fauci is a federal employee and can be fired by Trump. But I think even Trump realizes the ramifications of firing him. Fauci would continue to be invited for interviews, except now he would now be free to say exactly what he thinks of his former boss. And many states would listen to Fauci rather than Trump.

April is the cruellest month

Breeding corona out of the dead land

Mixing memory and desire

Stirring dull shoots with summer rain.

Thank you, Ms. Angelou!

Trump's second Corona Economic Task Force , designed to get the count up and running, is probably Trump's way of telling Fauci to "fuck off, I got this." Fauci's looking at November to hopefully get the country moving again, while Trump is still targeting May1st.

MSNBC gave Trump the big eyeroll on this one.

US nursing home deaths soar past 3,300 in alarming surge More than 3,300 deaths across the US have been linked to coronavirus outbreaks in nursing homes and long-term care facilities, an alarming rise in just the past two weeks, according to the latest count by the Associated Press.

Because the federal government has not been releasing a count of its own, the AP has kept its own running tally based on media reports and state health departments. The latest count of at least 3,321 deaths is up from about 450 deaths just 10 days ago.

But the true toll among the 1 million mostly frail and elderly people who live in such facilities is likely much higher, experts say, because most state counts don’t include those who died without ever being tested for Covid-19.

I know for a fact Psuedo Queen Bee has posted using her authenic name and anonymous ly. When you ignore someone it shows both when you click on the ignore symbol. Muriel doesnt seem to have a problem with Miss Russell.

I thought you were leaving, and taking your ignore button with you.

Nothing like a long kiss 💋 goodnight.

Pandemic Song by Interpol

Everything is wrong, everything is wrong

All we have is time, but my heart is going numb

It's taken a part of all of us

And nobody likes to wait

Everything is wrong, truly wrong , Everything is wrong

Everything is wrong

Everything is wrong

COVID-19 Antibody Testing Study Begins In California | MSNBC

JFC, R154, get over your obsession. Nobody gives a flying fig. This thread is supposed to be about COVID-19, not your inability to let things go.

R156 = appropriate, since Interpol's Carlos D. caused a near-pandemic of herpes in NYC when he was in the band

R159 - is that true? Carlos certainly was one hot Latino dude. Paul Banks was the ultimate tortured cocaine whore.

Yes, one of his alleged paramours even started a site called carlosdhasherpes.com.

They're a little slow with the news, R15. Stanford tested ~3,200 people on April 3-4 and the results are in. Instead of waiting for outside labs, they had med and grad students run the samples immediately.

Stanford has also been using its own tests on employees all week. It should be available to the public within two months.

^^R157, not 15

The obsession with Kate Bush is a British thang. She's virtually unknown in the US. Those who do know her work consider her a keening weirdo.

I never said I would leave if u r talking about me. It would take a lot more than Miss Russell to do it.

Let's not get into a debate about US vs. UK appreciation of Kate Bush.

It's happened before, and it did not end well, scarring all concerned.

2 months? Why bother.

[quote] 'We have thrown 15 years of institutional learning out the window': Leaked emails show top public health experts raised alarm about the Trump administration's botched coronavirus response.

Horrifying and maddening to read about all the ignored warnings and missteps. Arrogance and stupidity have resulted in the deaths of thousands of people and a crippling of the economy. Hillary was of course correct: tRump is the worst person in the world to be leading the government during a crisis. This fucker should be rotting in a jail cell somewhere, not roaming the halls of the White House. 😡

The internet has destroyed the authority of all traditional institutions. Pandemic was the nail (literally) in their coffin.

This is completely the republicans fault. The more money I lose the more pissed I get.

So how many Christians attended their churches today?

Is Kate Bush Jabba's new obsession? The pictures and the posts are so reminiscent of it's Janet Jackson love affair.

The 80 pages of Trump administration email correspondence in the link at R168 would be jaw-dropping if our jaws weren't already stuck to the ground. Here's a snippet from the email that begins the trail on 1/28/20: "Am going through an interesting exercise now of the 'what will you wish you would have done if'....:

1) The virus lands in the range of 0. 1- 1. 0 % CFR , which seems the most likely severe scenario"

[quote]Boris: "I want to thank the doctors... who took some crucial decisions a few days ago for which I will be grateful for the rest of my life."

[quote]Hopefully this will be explained later. What crucial decisions?

I believe he was put on high-flow oxygen, rather than intubated and put on a ventilator, when his condition sharply declined just after admission. In fact from what I read, he was never on a ventilator as is the standard care in serious cases.

The most recent discussion in the EM/Critical Care community in the US and Europe is the assumption of ARDS in serious COVID patients, and resultant overuse of ventilators. The high pressure they use may be responsible for lung damage and even possibly higher death rates in COVID ICU.

Boris may have benefited from the recent reviews and wound up with doctors who decided to treat him with the revised protocols, thus not only saving him but enabling him to go home and make brief speeches thereafter.

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 12 - 10:00 PM EST

✝️ EASTER SUNDAY

🐇 HOPPITY

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,853,155

DEATHS: 114,245

CRITICAL: 50,757

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 560,433

DEATHS: 22,115

CRITICAL: NOT UPDATED @ 11,766

✋: ☹️ DEATH DOES NOT TAKE A HOLIDAY

[quote]R56 ten tourists - from Israel, Mexico, Australia and Austria - were caught taking a walk in Rishikesh, flouting the rule that allows people to leave their homes

And I bet they were dressed like HUSSIES!

Republicans threw the first responders right to the wolves.

Anything to make a buck.

R123 According to Luis from Portugal's Linkedin profile, his specific job as a nurse is "ECMO/Senior Staff Nurse - Providing care to Level 3 patients submitted to Venous-Venous Extra Corporeal Membrane Oxygenation (ECMO).

NPR did a story a couple of weeks ago on ventilators and COVID-19 and mentioned ECMO treatment. If Luis was treating Boris with ECMO, then he could have been pretty bad off.

[quote] In some patients, the damage is so bad that even ventilation won't help. So doctors have sometimes tried an even more extreme measure called extracorporeal membrane oxygenation, or ECMO, which delivers oxygen directly to a patient's bloodstream. But this is still a stopgap measure. "Remember, ECMO too is a life-supporting treatment," Hajizadeh says. "So it's a bridge while we are allowing the lung to heal itself from a pneumonia."

[quote]The internet has destroyed the authority of all traditional institutions. Pandemic was the nail (literally) in their coffin.

Because expertise no longer matters.

R179, for God’s sake, it is Trump who has done this. Every judge hearing a case against him; every media company; intelligence agency; member of Congress; the Fed; the military, etc.

Number 35: One False Move

I just hope as we slog through this newest plague, that people who try to enlighten the rest of us by reporting on testing, will please differentiate between BOTH types of tests, RSP vs. ANTIBODY. Let's not conflate these. I have appreciated all of the intelligent respones since the first Covid-19 post.

R179 Not if everyone is an "expert".

[183] My point.

R182 Yes. There are so many thoughtful and very intelligent posters on here. Honestly, it is here where I feel I get real talk, not the far behind, half truths or propaganda of my old go to’s. I have been a life long NPR and public broadcast listener. The pandemic has really cracked the credibity and reasonable authority to get the facts. They are so far behind, it’s truly a joke. They repeat the same talking points, ask all the wrong questions, blow whichever way the wind blows. It’s like having a Buddhist awakening but like a totally cynical reverse type of one. Eveyone is John Snow. We know nothing. The “experts” all have a price or a back story, our treatments are barbaric and ineffective, we die alone and grieve alone. We must go against human nature.

I feel surreal and very sad.

Cant there be one person with super protective gear to ensure a patient doesnt die alone? I remember talking to a nurse and she said that was the main reason she wanted that job because to make sure it didn't happen.

Oh now this is NPRs fault.

The White House kept CNN broadcasting Rump’s meaningless rallies by threatened to withhold interviews with Fauci and Birx if they didn’t: inadvertently acknowledging the two doctors are more important than Rump.

[quote] Cant there be one person with super protective gear to ensure a patient doesnt die alone?

I've heard nurses and doctors talk about being with coronavirus patients when they die on the ventilator. They feel bad because even though they are with the patients when they die, they think the sedated patients only see them in "space suits", and it's hard to be a comforting presence dressed like that.

R186, no, this won’t work. The “minder” would have to change into a new spacesuit for each patient, putting them at risk of infection for a non medical purpose. And how would you like to hear that it was you’re turn to get a visit from the minder that day?

Tornados touching down in the south last night and early this morning. Isn't it enough that we're in the middle of a freaking pandemic?

The Gods must be pretty pissed.

Thanks, R182. You post made me realize that I didn't mention which type of tests I was talking about at R162.

In both the prevalence study conducted on the ~3,200 volunteers and the testing of healthcare workers, I was referring to blood tests for antibodies, not the swab test which detects active infection.

So... I take it that "walk-into" isolation suits like the ones in some 1980s movie whose title I can't recall (it involved an alien virus in some Texas town where the only survivors were an infant & an old man) don't actually exist in real life?

R186 Everyone dies "alone".

R191 The Gods are mad that an Adulterer is in the White House and the straights are having too many babies.

Why can no one give it to Trump? Or McConnel? Either would be great. Or Gym Jordan?

MGM has to turn over all trumps unaired tapes of the apprentice for a court case.

r186

[quote]Cant there be one person with super protective gear

to do what must be done.

This is worth a look.

R171 as a Christian I poured myself a shot glass of wine, cracked off a chunk of matzoh and parked my butt in front of the computer to attend service from the parsonage via Facebook live.

Not all Christians are selfish idiots. When Satan tempted Jesus to throw himself from the temple he said “you shall not put the Lord you God to the test.” It makes me sad that some people who call themselves leaders seem to have missed that part of the Bible. But most Christians understand that our righteousness comes from the Lord and not our own efforts to appear holier than thou and are therefore free to demonstrate our love for neighbor by staying home.

Same, R200. My mother was talking about how "Jesus wouldn't want us to break rules that are made to protect people." She was pretty happy to be able to attend any service she wanted live and from home.

I work at an essential factory. Two confirmed cases and around 30 who have failed the fever check. I am not in an area of the country considered a hot spot. Oh shit...

More grim news from Belgium

Guardian-Health authorities in Belgium have reported 303 more deaths from coronavirus in the past 24 hours, bringing the country’s total death toll from the outbreak to 3,903. Although its absolute numbers seem small in comparison to those in other European countries and the US, Belgium’s small population means that in terms of deaths per million the impact of the outbreak is now greater than in Italy.

R202 Sorry to hear that. Where are you?

[quote]"Jesus wouldn't want us to...."

For someone rumored to be God, therefore presumably terribly powerful, Jesus has sat back and allowed his name to be attached in just that way to anything and everything that comes down the pike, no matter how outrageous and depraved.

Jesus is useless in helping us decide moral and ethical matters. If you want some black letter rules to follow unquestionably, he laid down a few of those. But people only ever cite them when they support what that person wants to do anyway. Certainly, Matthew 6:5-6 is blatantly ignored all around the world.

Why is this thread moving at a glacial pace? Only 22 replies since I last checked 10 hours ago.

Because we are all dead r206

r193 : That was “The Andromeda Strain” (1971), adapted from a Michael Crichton novel, directed by Robert Wise.

Check in Pierre!

George Stephanopoulos tests positive for coronavirus two weeks after wife Ali Wentworth

George Stephanopoulos tested positive for coronavirus over the weekend, nearly two weeks after his wife, Ali Wentworth, confirmed her diagnosis.

Stephanopoulos, who has been broadcasting “Good Morning America” from home, told his co-hosts Monday morning that his diagnosis is “really no surprise,” but that he has been “basically asymptomatic” — unlike Wentworth, who previously described the condition as “pure misery.”

“I’ve never had a fever, never had chills, never had a headache, never had cough, never had shortness of breath,” the 59-year-old ABC anchor said. see also Ali Wentworth recovering from coronavirus at home

Wentworth, 55, is now doing “much, much better,” Stephanopoulos said.

“She’s going on her fifth day now with no fever, which is really a great sign,” he said of the author and comic. “Slowly getting out of bed a little bit more each day, so really happy about that.”

Wentworth, who has been married to Stephanopoulos since 2001, has been recovering at their New York City home. They are the parents of two children.

Stanley Chera, real estate mogul and friend of Trump, dead at 78 from coronavirus

Real estate honcho Stanley Chera passed away on Saturday after nearly a month-long battle with coronavirus.

The 78-year-old developer, who introduced his pal President Trump at last fall’s Veterans Day Parade, had been rushed to New York Presbyterian Hospital in late-March from his summer home near Deal, New Jersey, as the coronavirus pandemic grew, as the Post first reported.

Trump had advised his longtime friend to decamp to Deal, where many Syrian Jewish families have large homes on the Atlantic Ocean, saying it would be “safer” than New York City, real estate sources said. But it was too late. Both his and his wife, Frieda — known as “Cookie” — came down with the illness, but she recovered.

“I have some friends that are unbelievably sick. We thought they were going in for a mild stay. And, in one case, he’s unconscious — in a coma. And you say, ‘How did that happen?’” Trump said of Chera at a recent White House briefing.

Born in Brooklyn, Chera went from working in his father Isaac’s small store to buying the building next door and growing a real estate dynasty worth billions. Later, he became a Republican donor backing another real estate scion, his friend Trump, in his presidential bid.

Chera is survived by his three sons, Richard and Isaac, who run their father’s Crown Acquisitions, and Chaim, who joined Vornado Realty Trust after Crown and the Qatar Investment Authority bought stakes, a retail portfolio valued at $5.6 billion. There are also numerous grandchildren.

Crown is now an investor in some World Trade Center buildings and the owner of numerous Brooklyn and Manhattan retail assets, including the Fulton Mall, stores in the base of Olympic Tower and the St. Regis Hotel. The Vornado stake includes stores Crown previously owned at the base of 666 Fifth Ave. when that building was owned and operated by the Kushner family, including Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner.

Chera and his wife were also major donors to many health and humanitarian causes.

South Korea to send 600,000 coronavirus testing kits to US

Following a request from President Trump, South Korea plans to deliver 600,000 coronavirus testing kits to the US on Tuesday, according to a new report.

A cargo plane for the Federal Emergency Management Agency is scheduled to take off with the supplies at 9:30 a.m. Tuesday, a Seoul official told Reuters on condition of anonymity.

Trump made the request for the kits during a phone call with President Moon Jae-in on March 25, according to the news outlet.

The US government will receive and pay for the first shipments, while an unspecified local retailer will sell an additional 150,000 kits in the near future, the official told Reuters.

The polymerase chain reaction kits will be sourced from three firms that recently obtained preliminary approval from the US Food and Drug Administration to export kits to the US, said the official, who declined to name the two companies that will send the kits Tuesday.

But a person with direct knowledge of the matter said on condition of anonymity that one of the two companies is Osang Healthcare, which will send 300,000 kits.

The South Korean Foreign Ministry said it did not have information to share immediately and calls to Osang Healthcare for comment from Reuters were not answered.

South Korean companies have already shipped test kits to American cities, including Los Angeles, but Tuesday’s delivery would mark the first bulk order from the federal government.

China’s new coronavirus cases rise to near six-week high

BEIJING — China reported the highest number of new daily coronavirus cases in nearly six weeks, driven by a rise in infected travellers arriving from overseas and underscoring challenges Beijing faces in preventing a second wave of COVID-19.

A total of 108 new coronavirus cases were reported on Sunday, up from 99 a day earlier and marking the highest number of cases since 143 cases were reported on March 5.

The total number of confirmed cases in mainland China now stands at 82,160, while the death toll rose by two to 3,341.

The National Health Commission said on Monday that 98 of the new cases were imported involving people entering China from another country, a new record and up from 97 a day earlier. The number of asymptomatic cases fell to 61 from 63 a day earlier.

Though the number of daily infections have dropped sharply from the height of the epidemic in February, China has seen the daily toll creep higher after hitting a trough on March 12 as the virus spread globally. Beijing is concerned that infected people entering the country could trigger a second wave and push the country back into a state of near paralysis.

The northeast Heilongjiang province, which borders Russia, reported 56 new cases — 49 from Russia.

Chinese cities near the border with Russia said on Sunday they would tighten border controls and quarantine measures on arrivals.

The border city of Suifenhe and Harbin, capital of Heilongjiang, said they would require all arrivals from abroad to undergo 28 days of quarantine, as well as nucleic acid and antibody tests.

Harbin will also lock down residential units where confirmed and asymptomatic coronavirus cases are found for 14 days.

Has anybody got the figures for the number of health workers that have died around the world due to coronavirus. I read the other day the in the UK it was 19.

By the time this virus is though there will be hundreds or maybe thousands of healthcare workers who have lost their lives.

How far and wide do you suppose a big-assed killer Southern tornado can blow coronavirus? How about two tornados?

Perhaps the storms yesterday have finished off what the megachurches could not reach.

R202 Where do you live? Do you have adequate protection?

Lockdown-resistant Florida and Texas are galloping up the list of states with the most recorded COVID-19 infections. Meanwhile, Massachusetts has overtaken Michigan for third place behind New York, still holding its position as current U.S. pandemic epicenter, with New Jersey a distant but distinct second.

R178 Many RNs in the ICU are ECMO-certified, in fact here in the US if you work at major teaching institutions as ICU nurse, you’ll be expected to be certified at some point. Just because you’re EVMO-certified it doesn’t mean you only cate for ECMO patients. It also makes sense that Luis provided care to Boris because in the ICU some of the most experienced nurses happen to be certified in ECMO. Lastly, there’s no way in hell a patient can be on ECMO and be off of it within a span of 3 days and discharged in 4 like Boris No way it doesn’t work that way. Your heart and lung have to fail not just your lungs for you to be put on ECMO. It usually goes from being intubated e.g. on ventilators to progressing to ECMO, it’s reserved for people o death’s door. Boris was not on ECMO.

Luis was assigned to Boris because Boris got the most senior and qualified staff in case he took quick snd drastic turn for the worse. You’d want nurses with expertise watching you like a hawk at your bedside in that scenario

r217, Florida & Texas will "gallop up the list" even if they put their entire populations under house arrest enforced by armed drones, for the same reason California will... they're the 2nd & 3.5th-largest states (I say "3.5" because Florida is legally #4 after NY until after the Census makes it official).

Florida is also New York's de-facto most distant suburb (or unofficial sixth borough). At least 5% of Broward & Palm Beach Counties are people who actively have one foot in New York & have to stop & think about it for a few seconds when someone asks where they live, because it's context-dependent & depends on their mood and schedule for the week.

R219 the states are also much larger and spread out. They would definitely not have as many cases if their Republican governors had implemented social distancing policies in a timely manner, rather than being amongst the last states to so so (and even then, they are unenforced guidelines).

I'm surprised I haven't seen more stories about Trump being one of the three Antichrists and the pandemic being God's anger at man accepting him.

Sailor aboard USS Theodore Roosevelt dead from coronavirus

The coronavirus outbreak aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt — whose captain was controversially fired for raising alarm about the contagion — has claimed its first sailor’s life, the US Navy said Monday.

The unidentified sailor had been admitted to the intensive care unit at the US Naval Hospital in Guam last Thursday.

On Mar. 30, the sailor tested positive for COVID-19 and was removed from the ship and placed in an isolation house on Naval Base Guam with four other sailors aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, the Navy said.

Since then, dozens more have tested positive.

The USS Theodore Roosevelt had arrived in Guam on Mar. 27 for a scheduled port visit.

Veteran captain Brett Crozier was relieved from duty Thursday — after issuing an urgent request for help for the coronavirus outbreak aboard his ship.

Coronavirus likely spread in California as early as December, official says

The coronavirus may have been silently spreading in California as early as last December — more than a month before the first US case was detected, a local official claims.

The Golden State had some of the first confirmed cases in the US including some from travelers who came from the epicenter of Wuhan, China, starting in late January.

But the deadly contagion was likely expanding way before anyone knew to look out for it, with initial cases dismissed as flu, county leaders were recently told in a briefing, according to the Los Angeles Times.

“The virus was freewheeling in our community and probably has been here for quite some time,” Dr. Jeff Smith, the chief executive of Santa Clara County government, advised them, according to the report.

Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and local health departments suggest the virus had been mushrooming “a lot longer than we first believed” — likely since “back in December,” Smith told the paper.

That is long before the first known US case — believed to be a 35-year-old Washington man in mid-January — and before local officials would have been able to test for the new virus.

“This wasn’t recognized because we were having a severe flu season,” Smith, a physician, told the L.A. paper.

“Symptoms are very much like the flu. If you got a mild case of COVID, you didn’t really notice. You didn’t even go to the doctor. The doctor maybe didn’t even do it because they presumed it was the flu.”

The theory helps explain why California started getting so many cases of so-called community spread, Smith had explained in his briefing to officials.

“That means the virus is in the community already — not, as was suspected by the CDC, as only in China and being spread from contact with China,” he said, according to the paper.

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 13 - 10:45 AM EST

🍑 NATIONAL PEACH COBBLER DAY !

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,872,916

DEATHS: 116,038

CRITICAL: 50,978

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 561,159

DEATHS: 22,133

CRITICAL: 11,770

✌️PEACE OUT

Thousands of devout Pakistani Muslims are claiming “God is with us” and only westerners can die from coronavirus as they brazenly violate social-distancing orders to pray in mosques amid the global coronavirus pandemic.

Sabir Durrani, 52, who prays nearly every day at mosque in the central Pakistani city of Multan, is among the throngs of people flouting government orders issued last month that bans religious congregations of five or more people in order to stop the spread of the deadly virus.

“Our prayer leader told us that the virus can’t infect us the way it does Western people,” Durrani told Reuters in a report published Monday, adding a dozen of more men are typically in attendance at the mosque and none of wear face masks.

Durrani said the prayer leader “said we wash our hands and we wash our face five times a day before we say our prayers, and the infidels don’t, so we need not worry. God is with us.”

As of Monday morning the virus had infected a total of 5,374 people in Pakistan and killed 93 in in the country, according to data from the Johns Hopkins University Coronavirus Resource Center.

More than 60 percent of coronavirus cases in Pakistan so far have been tied to Muslims returning from pilgrimages in the Middle Easter and followers of Islamic missionary movement Tablighi Jamaat, Reuters reported.

It’s anticipated that the country’s coronavirus caseload will increase as the number of those attending congregational prayers held in mosques on Fridays – the Islamic Sabbath – will likely rise next month during Islam’s holiest month of Ramadan, the news outlet noted.

The Council of Islamic Ideology has called on clerics and the public to follow the government’s orders aimed to stem the spread of the virus, but several priests and local leaders have openly opposed the ban.

As hundreds of people gathered for a funeral in the country last week, a local leader of a religious party told the crowd that the government’s orders to put a limit on congregations were not right.

“If you do this, we will be forced to think that mosques are being deserted on America’s instructions,” Mufti Kafayatullah told the crowd, according to Reuters. “We’re ready to give our lives, but not ready to desert our mosques.”

In Pakistan’s largest city of Karachi police were attacked for the second week in a row as they attempted to break up prayers at a mosque, but in other Pakistani cities authorities were reportedly overlooking the defiant gatherings at mosques.

According to Reuters, police filed 88 cases against mosque administrations in Karachi on Mar. 27 and arrested 38 people for flouting restrictions on Friday congregations, but a day later the charges were dropped and the locals were released.

“I think it’s partly appeasement and partly the fact that Pakistan’s governments and politics are locked permanently in an electoral framework in which they don’t want to lose support of the religious elite and religious proletariat,” Pakistani author and defense analyst Ayesha Siddiqa told Reuters.

Meanwhile, Mirza Shahzad Akbar, a special assistant to Pakistan’s prime minister Imran Khan, told the news outlet that most mosques were cooperating with the government.

But, Akbar added, “This is a sensitive matter, we don’t want to impose it using a stick. And even if we wanted to, there aren’t enough sticks to implement it across Pakistan.”

Over 22k deaths 😥😥😥

Why do people support Trump ? He is the devil! He doesn’t give a fuck how many of us die, doesn’t want to test, doesn’t care at all, or even pretend to!

Coronavirus Freakout 37: Babooshka Ya Ya!

There’s still so much we don’t know about coronavirus: How best to treat it (ventilator vs no ventilator,) what organs besides the lungs are affected (clotting abnormalities etc,) long-term damage after recovery (permanent heart and lung damage?) and how long does immunity last after recovery (latest studies suggest 3-8 years, not permanent) and is immunity complete or partial?

Studies are only now getting underway since the virus has only been around for 4 months.

FYI, if you're in France and want to adopt a cat or dog, shelters are now allowed to partially reopen. Take advantage of the opportunity to save a life AND spend lots of quality time with your new companion!

Whoops, forgot news link relevant to r229...

R225 The problem is that Pakistan in one of those countries that barely does any testing. Their rate of testing is 295 tests for one million people. As comparaison the US is doing around 8600 and Iceland 100 000. They will have a sudden surge of mortality and they won't even be able to see it coming.

Yes, that's good news! And R229 was plenty relevant too.

Choosing a pet online is kinda weird though. I hope most people won't return their animals when this is over, but I guess at least they're safe (and saved) during the pandemic.

I would imagine we are going to see a lot of changes to how we shop. The more people you can take out of the equation the better to stop the spread of viruses. Some times I wonder how people come to a decision. For instance, now the clerks at the checkout at a grocery store are behind a plexiglass, but the baggers are not. My experience is you were always in closer contact with the bagger than the clerk.

Yahoo:

Trump claims he can overrule states on ending COVID-19 shutdowns

Because many are turned off by the Op who thinks our motto is be a cunt and have pressed the ignore button or just run out of things to say Maybe both.

OT—Fuck. Every time I click on this link I have to suffer the earworm inflicted by that schmaltzy insufferable song. Make it stop.

Worst. Title. Ever.

Trump Lashes Out at Fauci Amid Criticism of Slow Virus Response

How do you like me now DR Tony?

I just looked up Take My Breath Away I forgot it was the theme song from Top Gun. Data lounge is full Of Tom Cruise fans.

What the hell is wrong with people??

Reuters:

President Trump is not firing Dr. Fauci -White House

Death of a sailor

Now Trump is suing local news affiliates for running (accurate) attack ads against him

He’s draining the energy out of all of us. Trump is the Antichrist.

Meanwhile....Good luck, America.

R246

Ivanka’s Christmas wishlist in 7th grade: -A deadbolt lock for her bedroom door

I don’t give her that much credit R247. She only wished for condoms ribbed for her pleasure.

Guardian-Brazil is likely to have 12 times more cases than are being officially reported by the country’s government, with too little testing and long waits to confirm the results, a study suggests. Researchers at a consortium of Brazilian universities and institutes examined the ratio of cases resulting in deaths up to 10 April, considering cases ending in recovery or death while excluding patients still fighting the virus. They then compared that ratio with the expected death rates based on the age of patients from the World Health Organization. The higher-than-expected death rate in Brazil based on the official figures indicates there are many more cases of the virus than are being counted, with the study estimating only 8% of cases are being reported. Doctors working in emergency and intensive care have been warning that the government is vastly underreporting the figures.

R206 Because there are people that have the OP of this thread blocked, just as there were those that had the OP that started part 33 blocked.

I did nothing to be blocked for. Miss Russell and her cronies probably blocked me or posted pretending to be me.

Jane Russell? Anna Russell? Theresa Russell?

Cuomo stole Trump’s thunder today by announcing a multi-State lan to re-open.

So did California, Oregon, and Washington on the West Coast. Looks like Trump not getting that victory lap.

[quote]@NYGovCuomo says there'll be an announcement later this afternoon on a regional re-opening plan with governors from New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware.

R253 These east coast governors had a televised group phone call discussing their plans to reopen their economies/states. Not a single mention of Trump’s name. The other governors all thanked Cuomo for his leadership. Trump was ignored and irrelevant. You know he’s SEETHING. But never fear:

[quote]Donald J Trump @realDonaldTrump White House news conference today at 5:00 P.M. Eastern. Thank you!

This should be interesting.

Are we ready to call this a bioweapon?

Sylvia Foster is played Rosalind Russell like Helen Lawson is played by Susan Hayworth.

AIRBORNE SUPER AIDS

Does that mean before May 1?

WH council to re-open America.

Ivanka and Jared Kushner? What a fucking joke.

Those are all money people, R260, or idiots. That’s a stupid idea.

Macron said one more month of confinement, and then schools and daycares should open again May 11th if everything goes well. Parents must be so fucking happy. Also we're supposed to get masks by then, us the little people. Ha ! Doubt it.

Where are the rethugs and who are always bellyaching about states rights and the federal government overstepping and telling them what to do. .. lol.

Rump believes the more shut down the more it hurts the economy this hurting his reelection.

Jared and Ivanka couldn't re-open a paper bag

Looking at R260, you can smell the sulfur and Botox through the screen.

R266

I’m getting the overpowering stench of old pee and velvet slippers. Wilbur Ross old man smell drowns the rest out.

Trump will do his best to restrict access to testing once he reopens everything. That way we won't be able to measure how many people become infected due to the reopening.

[quote]Re Brazil -- The higher-than-expected death rate in Brazil based on the official figures indicates there are many more cases of the virus than are being counted, with the study estimating only 8% of cases are being reported. Doctors working in emergency and intensive care have been warning that the government is vastly underreporting the figures.

That's just considering the people whose deaths were confirmed to be caused by COVID-19. Think of all the poor dead people in the favelas who never get to a hospital, who never get a grave marker.

[italic]There won't be not tomb enough and continent To hide the [dead]?[/italic]

R267 Excuse me, those are $600 custom-embroidered velvet slippers.

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 13 - 5:15 PM EST

🍑 NATIONAL PEACH COBBLER DAY !

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,917,239

DEATHS: 119,090

CRITICAL: 51,720

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 583,411

DEATHS: 23,462

CRITICAL: 12,722

👍 : WASH, SANITIZE, & MOISTURIZE !

Trump's always saying that he's not firing someone .............

Until he does !

CNN:

Trump promotes 'FireFauci' Twitter hashtag

🥀 Too many delicate flowers poster here.

After seeing R260, title suggestion for Coronavirus Freakout 35: Drive Your Plow Over the Bones of the Dead...

Why does the President of the United States of America promote hashtags?

Nightmare.

Wow corona guy that’s up 1200 since this morning!

Edit +1329 dead since 10:45 am!!

😥😥😥

Arizona Rep. Andy Biggs (R) wants to see President Donald Trump fire Dr. Anthony Fauci from the coronavirus task force.

During an interview on The Conservative Circus with James T. Harris, Biggs ripped Fauci saying that he was responsible for the economic problems in the country.

“He’s emasculated the economy,” Biggs said.

Where are Donnie Jr and Eric ?

Did they "accidentally" down the basement stairs of the White House, and the automatic lock on the door engaged?

I want to see Rep Andy Briggs walk naked through a Coronavirus ward. Slowly.

Here is a map by county that tells you how many cases you have.

Liar, Liar

#CaftanOnFire

[quote] This should be interesting.

[quote] This should be interesting.

I’ve never suggested a title, but I heard this song today and thought it was perfect...

Coronavirus Freakout 35: See you in September

Trump's Daily Briefings : [italic] Groundhog Day

Not sure how that got posted — twice.

tRump was on fire at the news conference spewing his own version of the facts to show how he closed things down ages ago.

This is his rebuttal tape?

Why don't those reporters grow a set and walk out?

Better yet, boycott these idiotic conferences.

Better hang on to those ventilators.

Come fall, we're going to need them.

Narcissism Reinvented.

With a touch of Manic Schizophrenia.

One or my patients today today me that he'd been asking God and all the angels to protect his doctors.

I managed to avoid tearing up until after I left the room.

👌[bold] READY TO ROCK !

I saw on NY1 that mount sinai hospital is asking for $$ for their front line workers. There is a page where you can donate to buy /spend $ x in gloves, masks, transportation, housing etc...

I know they are heroes and working really hard...but this is your job and what you signed up for and I read an article where they said nurses are paid $100 per hour and they are being provided with housing at four season hotel. shouldn't the hospital be providing them with the supplies etc? Why should the public give them money for these things?

I feel like they are taking advantage of the situation to free load....

Coronavirus News: Mount Sinai Hospital requests donations to help battle COVID-19

NEW YORK CITY (WABC) -- One New York City hospital is asking for donations to help with equipment shortages amid the coronavirus pandemic.

Mount Sinai posted a link on the hospital's website that allows donors to select gift amounts and medical equipment they'd like to donate.

The hospital requested several items that range from ventilators and anti-body tests to an Uber car ride home for a nurse.

The hospital took action after images surfaced online in recent weeks showing nurses at Mount Sinai wearing garbage bags due to a lack of hospital gowns.

Visit giving.mountsinai.org to support Mount Sinai's response to COVID-19

R292

I’m doing the same.

Bless y’all for doing this work. May the good Lord bless and keep you.

I don’t even like you, voice of the night.

Mount Sinai Hospital is a non profit and close to 60% of their patients are charity care. Thanks for bring it to my attention they were asking for funds R294 so I could make a donation.

R294, no one is turning a profit on this situation. Quite a few people being treated may have little or no insurance, and the hospital has to treat them anyway.

🙏 The Power Of Prayer Is Amazing.

The Power Of Prayer Is Nonexistent.

The Jesus Freak at R299 is the poll troll here who also posts divisive stuff all over DL.

[quote]🙏 The Power Of Prayer Is Amazing.

I don't believe in God. But the offer was still appreciated.

Fascist resurgence, check.

Locusts, check.

Illness , check.

Financial collapse. I will wait for this one.

I will moo, regardless.

You are indeed correct, r301, and I'm DAMNED PROUD OF IT !

I'm pleased that you find me ever so fascinating that you follow me FAITHfully from thread to thread to thread.

✋AND THAT IS THE UNDENIABLE TRUTH !

Thanks Again, Miss !

[quote]“That means the virus is in the community already — not, as was suspected by the CDC, as only in China and being spread from contact with China,”

However, Chinese tourists and exchange students come to California year-round, so this statement doesn't automatically absolve China, sadly.

Don’t say anything bad about the Corona Guy! Don’t make me press the ignore button!

I have made an appointment to get the antibody test on Wednesday. Hopefully I had it. My mom came down with whatever we had before me (business trip we both took) and I really want her to be immune more than anything. Huge weight off my shoulders if it come back positive.

Fascist resurgence, lock down of your neighbor’s junk. Locusts in Africa; check. Food shortages scheduled.

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Except we don’t for sure that having antibodies precludes you from getting the virus again.

*don’t know

It’s kind of far down, but look for New York Hospital Systems losing money in the linked article to understand the gravity of the financial situation for places like Sinai, Columbia and NYU.

R307 what region are you in? Can anyone make an appointment to get the antibody test?

How can these hospitals lose any money when patients get $9k bills for a 3 hour trip to the ER? How many people will be bankrupted after a 2 week stay at the ICU? I doubt the actual cost for a short trip to the ER for a coronavirus test, a doctor taking your temperature and a Tylenol is really $9K (or the insane amounts they always charge people) so this should also cover a couple of uninsured patients.

R312 I am in Alabama. There is a company - Arcpoint Labs - that is testing in Birmingham. $69 per test. I want to know if I had it. If I did - Good. If I didn’t - my mother isn’t allowed to do ANY grocery shopping. She has only been out twice in the last 3+ weeks. It will be 0 if the test comes back negative.

I NEED to know for sure. We both had the same massive headache, sweating/chills, diarrhea and I ended up with a cough.

^R307

Virginia pastor who defiantly held church services dies from the coronavirus

Please don't let him be...

For anybody who needs something to cheer them up, and to illustrate the many benefits of having a feline companion to keep you company during this quarantine, I present a collection of manly men with beards & cats :-)

Antibody test discussion on twitter in case anyone is interested.

[quote]I'm surprised I haven't seen more stories about Trump being one of the three Antichrists and the pandemic being God's anger at man accepting him.

Because the idiots who would believe that shit are all Trump supporters.

ElderLez

Thank you.

Seriously, from the bottom of my heart.

You have been a voice of sanity in this mess, and I salute you.

awww thank you R321.

Repugs having a complete meltdown on Twitter tonight over the amazing CNN chyrons and CBS's Paula Reid asking him what he did all February to prepare is epic. These idiots say she was disrespectful for talking over him and pressing him for an answer, but obviously have no problem with his behavior.

at this point EVERYONE should talk over Trump and disrespect him. he deserves nothing but disrespect and humiliation since it doesn't seem as he'll be punished for any of his numerous wrongdoings

It continues to amaze me that people think that their version of God is going to protect them from getting ill.

Covid-19 might harm the immune system by targeting T cells, in a way that is similar to HIV. The difference is that it doesn't use T cells to replicate itself, it "only" destroys them.

It’s interesting that there is actually decent testing in small town South. Places where there aren’t a lot of cases - or people - seem to be able to test more and thereby prevent spreading. These are the places that could open up sooner than NYC.

I thought Florida would be near the top of the list by now for cases.

Now George Stephanopoulos has it

Cuomo Responds To Trump Claim That States ‘Can’t Do Anything Without His Approval’ | All In | MSNBC

Rachel is a must-watch today. Dear god the federal government is stealing supplies the states already bought.

Holy fuck watch Rachel. She talks about the 80-page email chain from the White House.

Trump must have heard the states were planning on grouping together - like he's forcing them to since they can't depend on the Federal Government - and that's why he started that stupid "economic council" which is all cronies, no economists.

Wait a second. I'm confused. Wasn't it just yesterday that Trump was insisting all of this coronavirus mess was the states' responsibility -- that none of this is his responsibility at all. Now, he's insisting that he has absolute 100% authority and the states have to follow his orders.

Correct, r334. He fears the states’ new regional cooperation.

R335 here. Please ignore the handle. I was going to make a bad joke but won’t.

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 13 - 10:45 PM EST

🍑 NATIONAL PEACH COBBLER DAY !

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,924,679

DEATHS: 119,692

CRITICAL: 51,764

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 586,941

DEATHS: 23,640

CRITICAL: NOT UPDATED @ 12,772

✋: ALWAYS DECISIVE, NEVER DIVISIVE !

The US count doesn’t include deaths in nursing homes. Jesus.

Something tells me that Russia is seriously underreporting its Coronavirus cases.

Trump didn't want the blame or responsibility for shutting things down and possibly pissing off his supporters, but he wants to take all the credit by being the "savior" and opening things up again. Hypocritical fraud.

It's fine to respect the office of the President, but at the moment, the only way to respect the office of the President is to heap disrespect on the man currently holding that office. He, personally, has earned no respect. In fact, he has earned our outrage, our enmity, our scorn. The only way for us to elevate the office he has dragged down is to denounce him at every opportunity.

If we cannot at the moment physically separate him from the Presidency, we can do it with words and ideas. We can drive home the point that he long ago abandoned the job and has been running his own corrupt rogue operation.

How do they know how many people died of the Spanish flu when we are so far more advanced and can't even get a true count in one city?

R338 The same thing was being reported for the UK numbers yesterday, when they reached the 10000 milestone. Today, there have been claims that deaths within such homes have been "airbrushed" by authorities, and other Sky news reported 92 facilities have reported outbreaks in the last 24 hours.

In 1920, things probably weren't nearly as corrupt as they are in 2020.

Really R344. History was obviously not your strong suit.

R343 That is inexcusable. But it's even more so in the US. The only incidents I know of are reported on local news. Last week it was 84 patients and workers in one assisted living facility in Texas City, TX, with another with half that much in San Antonio. It's common that some workers divide their time in two or more places, spreading the virus from one to another.

I would suggest that no areas remove the stay in place edicts until every single care facility has been tested and the numbers recorded to get a truer picture of the problem, and medical solutions have been decided to care for the people, both those with the virus and those without it. Each place is toxic.

[quote]R307 My mom came down with whatever we had before me (business trip we both took) and....

Do you run a dress shoppe together?

Trump's friend, real estate mogul Stanley Chera, has died from the coronavirus

R332, here's a convenient link for those who haven't read the WH correspondence yet...

Trump doesn't like the narrative that the west coast governors are linking up and the important northeast states are forming a group to work together. He knows they're going to be seen as the real leaders. So he's lashing out and he'll probably keep lashing out at all those governors this week. He's already threatened by Cuomo and Newsom alone

[quote]In 1920, things probably weren't nearly as corrupt as they are in 2020.

Oh, my sides! 🤣

[bold]Marshall Cohen[/bold] @MarshallCohen

THREAD: This is the true human cost of #COVID that you don't see on TV very often. CNN obtained photos from ER staff at a Detroit hospital, showing bodies pilled up in vacant spaces because the morgue was full. Nearly 1,500 people have died in Michigan, and 23,000 nationwide.

r348 is a fucking asshole who can't bother to read the threads she spams.

One of the WH correspondents in the 80-page email release is Dr. Eva Lee. You truly couldn't make this shit up.

1/4 of Michigan workers have filed for unemployment! That’s insane. Phew - no way a governor wins that no matter how well she runs or responds. That’s devastating.

r355, the governor has nothing to do with the President of the country firing the entire pandemic team and taking the nation's economy.

[quote]Trump doesn't like the narrative that the west coast governors are linking up and the important northeast states are forming a group to work together.

It’s not that deep. Trump just hates being ignored and irrelevant. It’s the one thing a malignant narcissist can NOT tolerate.

Dump stood off to the side smirking while his little propaganda video played at the press briefing today.

The only thing missing in that picture is a fiddle.

[quote]It’s interesting that there is actually decent testing in small town South.

No, I'd say it's criminal. I have no doubt, at all, that the Trump administration commandeered supplies from PPE and masks to test kits and redirected them to red states.

I wish people would stop acting like everyone is going to be permanently unemployed. As we slowly start opening up over the next few months, a whole lot of people will go right back to the jobs they were working at before this happened. Yes, some businesses will go under but others will open with no problem and new ones will take the place of those that closed. It will be painful but let's not pretend R355 and his idiotic agenda aren't being played up for political gain. Asshole.

Where's that virus that targets people based on low IQ when you need it?!

yeah apparently Florida is getting everything it wants because of course the governor is a sycophant

The real pic for R246.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

I know. Macron is only 42 and makes Dump look like a kindergartener. Embarrassing on all levels. We need a leader at this time, not a spoiled child.

Muriel is evil. She paywalled the "Bigly disrespected" thread were we discuss the Trump shitshow every night. So not only do we get primetime for several hours each day, she now also paywalls a lot of people's favorite threads. Way to kill traffic. And from the poor turnout during primetime, it still doesn't seem like people are rushing to subscribe.

There are plenty of advertisers paying to support this site, where is the need for subscriptions?

Exactly, R366. Muriel takes in a lot of money from paid advertising. But why should she not shake down a subset of fools who will pay her for the opportunity to write her content for her? Even as they provide her the numbers of impressions that make Muriel's advertising worth anything at all.

Really, WTF? Who would do that? Sadly, there are a lot of foolish gay people. I suppose they fear if they don't pay Muriel every month, she will withhold her love.

#FeelTheLove

The CBS reporter's exchange was really a moment...it seemed that Rump was truly flustered by her. The look on her face...can you believe this fucking clown?

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 14 - 8:25 AM EST

😺 HAPPY BIRTHDAY NINO !

🐬 NATIONAL DOLPHIN DAY

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,938,840

DEATHS: 120,857

CRITICAL: 51,051

🇺🇸 GLOBAL

CASES: 587,173

DEATHS: 23,644

CRITICAL: 12,772

✋: HAVE AN ABOVE AVERAGE DAY !

[quote]Sylvia Foster is played Rosalind Russell like Helen Lawson is played by Susan Hayworth.

r257 It is Sylvia Fowler and Susan HayWARD. Hayworth is Rita. Turn in your DL card, please.

Corona Guy is a Jesus freak?

R365 it's probably because the titles for those threads became more and more obnoxious every iteration.

[quote] The CBS reporter's exchange was really a moment...it seemed that Rump was truly flustered by her. The look on her face...can you believe this fucking clown?

I was shocked that he didn’t throw her out. That was a ballsy move on her part to not take the BS from this moron any longer and battle back against his obvious lies.

More reporters need to treat him with the disrespect he deserves.

As Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s popularity soars thanks to his handling of the coronavirus crisis — there’s also been a spike in Cuomo-centric products on offer from his growing fan base on crafts site Etsy.

Items for sale include Cuomo prayer candles, socks and mugs with slogans from “I Have a Crush on Cuomo” to “Shh! I’m Watching Cuomo” and “Cuomosexual.” One T-shirt (presumably aimed at gay supporters) reads: “Homo for Cuomo.”

Another top, designed for women, has a checklist: “Single,” “Taken” and, marked with an X, “Mentally Dating Andrew Cuomo.”

Anna Wintour‘s style is looking different these days.

The Vogue editor-in-chief, 70, is known for her unwavering commitment to sheath dresses, nude Manolo Blahnik heels and sparkling Bottega Veneta necklaces, but has been disregarding her usual dress code while stuck at home during the coronavirus pandemic.

In a photo posted to Vogue’s Instagram on Monday announcing an upcoming Zoom event pegged to the future of fashion, the Condé Nast artistic director poses in her Hamptons home, where she is self-quarantined, wearing a red Breton stripe sweater and — gasp! — matching track pants.

“I never imagined I would see Anna Wintour wearing sweatpants,” one person commented. Another said, “Omg Anna Wintour in joggers. The world IS changing.”

Many more readers seemed similarly shocked by Wintour’s unusually casual outfit — particularly the lounge pants, which were previously verboten in the editrix’s wardrobe.

In a July 2019 episode of Vogue’s “Go Ask Anna” video series, Wintour was asked whether she “ever” wears sweatpants, and responded with a curt “no.”

Despite the surprising new addition to Wintour’s wardrobe, it seems her signature sunglasses aren’t going anywhere.

Mia Farrow’s daughter Quincy growing ‘stronger’ amid coronavirus battle

Mia Farrow has provided an update about her daughter’s health as she battles coronavirus.

“Every day my daughter grows stronger,” Farrow, 75, tweeted on Monday of Quincy’s ongoing battle with the deadly virus. “Thank you again with all my heart for your good wishes and your prayers.”

“Thank God she’s getting through this,” “Sex and the City” star Kim Cattrall responded. “Thinking of you both.”

Farrow announced on Friday that her daughter had been hospitalized after contracting COVID-19.

“A personal request,” the “Rosemary’s Baby” star tweeted. “If you would be so kind, would you please send up a prayer for my daughter Quincy. Today she had no alternative but to go the hospital for help in her struggle against the coronavirus.”

Farrow adopted 26-year-old Quincy, born Kaeli-Shea, in 1994 when she was a year old. Quincy is married to a man named Ethan with whom she shares one daughter, Coretta.

Age, obesity are biggest risk factors for COVID-19 hospitalization

When it comes to the coronavirus, age and weight are more than just numbers.

In two new studies, NYU researchers found certain risk factors like age, obesity and chronic illness can lead to an increased risk of hospitalization for COVID-19 patients.

In one of the largest data reviews on COVID-19 cases so far, researchers at the NYU Grossman School of Medicine found that age and chronic illness (cardiovascular disease, diabetes and obesity, in particular) were the leading factors that led to hospitalization for COVID-19 patients. The study, which looked at reports on 4,103 patients from March 1 through April 2, is currently under peer review and has been pre-published online.

“The risk factors we identified for hospitalization in [COVID-19] are largely similar to those associated with any type of severe disease requiring hospitalization or ICU-level care, though we were surprised that cancer and chronic pulmonary disease did not feature more prominently in the risk models,” the researchers wrote in the study. “For instance, while advanced age was by far the most important predictor of hospitalization . . . 54% of hospitalized patients were younger than 65 years. This is typical of the hospitalization pattern in viral respiratory disease.”

In a separate study, researchers at NYU Langone Health found that patients under 60 were at a higher risk of hospitalization due to complications from COVID-19 if they were obese. The report, which was published in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases, looked at the data of 3,615 patients who tested positive for the coronavirus from March 4 to April 4.

Researchers found that patients under 60 who were considered obese by BMI standards were almost two times as likely to be admitted to the hospital for acute and critical care.

“This has important and practical implications, where nearly 40 percent of adults in the US are obese,” the researchers wrote in the study. “Unfortunately, obesity in people [under 60] is a newly identified epidemiologic risk factor, which may contribute to increased morbidity rates experienced in the US.”

Spain loosens coronavirus restrictions as nearly 300,000 return to work

Hundreds of thousands of non-essential workers returned to their jobs this week in Spain as the country partially lifted lockdown restrictions.

About 300,000 people who cannot work from home — including those in the construction and manufacturing industries — were allowed to return to work in and around Madrid on Monday, a spokesperson for the capital city’s regional government told CNN.

Shops, bars, restaurants and other businesses considered non-essential remain closed, according to the report.

Spain has reported more than 172,000 confirmed coronavirus cases — the highest count in Europe and the second-most affected country worldwide, next to the US, according to Johns Hopkins University data.

More than 18,000 deaths have been reported, second only to Italy.

Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez has said that the country will take “progressive” measures to return to normal life, emphasizing that the reopening will happen in phases, while officials enact hygiene measures and efforts to monitor for new cases.

“We can’t even know what kind of normality we’re returning to,” he said last week, according to CNN.

The lockdown loosening wasn’t well-received by Quim Torra, President of Catalonia, who said in a video statement that allowing people to return to work is “irresponsible and reckless.”

And Spain’s General Workers Union, with 940,000 members, raised concerns over employees’ safety and urged employers to provide personal protective equipment for their staff.

Authorities said over the weekend they would start handing out 10 million protective masks at metro stations and other transport hubs, and continued to call for social distancing and regular hand-washing.

The country’s central government has already distributed one million coronavirus testing kits nationwide, and five million more will soon be issued, according to the report.

“The climb has been difficult, the descent will also be,” Sanchez told parliament last week, while extending the country’s state of emergency to April 26.

He also said that restrictions may need to continue for a longer period.

Meanwhile in Italy, some businesses — including bookshops, dry cleaners and shops selling baby clothes — were allowed to reopen Tuesday under the government’s latest decree, The Local Italy reported.

The decree replaces an earlier order under which only supermarkets, pharmacies and a select few other shops were allowed to stay open amid the country’s efforts to contain the deadly virus.

However, some regions of the country have said they’ll delay those reopenings until later.

All other quarantine requirements, including bans on public gatherings, and a required form to justify any trips outside, remain in place.

The new rules will be in effect until at least May 3, according to the report.

Wow, so now the virus will be gone by July according to some model they're showing on CNN. Are they living in a dreamworld?

R338 (I think) No one is reporting deaths from nursing homes. They weren't counting people in nursing homes in Italy either. There are also people found dead in their homes in NYC that the coroner does not test. We will never know the true numbers of people who died of Covid. Just like we will never know the true numbers of those who had it and recovered. I hope if one good thing comes out of this, it will be that someone takes a long look at nursing homes and how the elderly are being treated. Most nursing homes are packed to the gills and short on staff and supplies. I can easily see how illness can spread like wildfire.

This lady is tweeting up a storm. She sure loves Trump.

Is he drunk?

CNN-Trump tweeted that Cuomo has been “begging for everything,” and now “seems to want independence.”

“Cuomo’s been calling daily, even hourly, begging for everything, most of which should have been the state’s responsibility, such as new hospitals, beds, ventilators, etc.,” the President wrote. “I got it all done for him, and everyone else, and now he seems to want Independence! That won't happen!" Trump tweeted.

How exactly does trump believe he can deny states their independence?

R382. Fyi, France and Belgium are including deaths in nursing/care homes in their daily updates. In Belgium more than 40% of the reported deaths are outside of hospitals. This is one of the reasons their numbers are much higher than others based on the pop

R383, the comments in response to La Senatrice are fantastic. I really hope that we get rid of this braying jackass in November.

Republicans have insisted on "states rights" for many decades. Now they want King Trump.

Damn guys, check out Dumps tweets. He is seriously losing it and thinks Dem governors are planning mutiny.

I am praying the Democratic governors are planning a mutiny.

And of course the TOP news story on Fox News today: Biden sexual assault accuser not getting as much attention as Kavanaughs. Fox is the reason Trump is President - it is a vile propaganda machine that needs to be destroyed. Fox viewers have no idea what happened at the press conference yesterday - one of the top stories at every other mainstream news outlet.

R387 or before...

I am all in for Presidents Cuomo and Newsom, respectively.

Coronavirus may lead to worst global recession since Great Depression: IMF

The coronavirus pandemic will plunge the global economy into its worst recession since the Great Depression, the International Monetary Fund predicted Tuesday.

The fund expects the world economy to contract by 3 percent in 2020 as measures meant to stop the virus freeze economic activity around the world. That’s a much steeper drop than 2009, when the economy shrank 0.7 percent amid the global financial crisis.

“The Great Lockdown, as one might call it, is projected to shrink global growth dramatically,” IMF economic counsellor Gita Gopinath said in the fund’s 2020 World Economic Outlook. “Much worse growth outcomes are possible and maybe even likely.”

Experts have predicted a deep recession as lockdowns aimed at curbing the pandemic forced businesses around the world to close, shut consumers in their homes and put millions of people out of work.

If the virus crisis wanes in the second half of this year, the IMF expects the global economy will grow 5.8 percent in 2021 as a recovery starts with help from governments and central banks. But there is “extreme uncertainty” about the forecast because the path of the virus crisis and its economic effects are tough to predict, according to IMF officials.

“Many countries face a multi-layered crisis comprising a health shock, domestic economic disruptions, plummeting external demand, capital flow reversals, and a collapse in commodity prices,” the fund’s outlook says. “Risks of a worse outcome predominate.”

I suspected Miss Russell and Muriel were the same and if she paywalls the much better thread that proves me right The real Rosalind Russell is rolling over in her grave that someone so awful is using her character’s name

Darling r395, that was MY character first.

Daenerys Targaryen learned the hard way. That's all I'm sayin...

CNN @CNN · 11m The presence of antibodies in a person's immune system means they were exposed to the virus and developed antibodies against it, which may mean that person has at least some immunity -- although experts are not sure how strong the immunity may be.

I just logged out to check why this thread is moving along so slowly, and sure enough Datalounge is in Primetime again. Why the fuck am I paying for a site that limits the amount of witty, incisive commentary I can read??! Fine, use a subscription model, but ONLY to provide advertisement-free access; it should NOT limit people's ability to post.

I think I'm going to cancel my subscription, and so this will be my last post until Primetime is over.

Reuters:

Trump to make announcements on reopening U.S. economy in next day or two: adviser

Andrew Cuomo: Governors Are In Charge Because Trump Put Them In Charge | Morning Joe | MSNBC

NY deaths are up after the holiday weekend. Expect BIG jumps across Europe tomorrow. Unfortunately, this virus has exposed major issues with the accuracy, timelines, and consistency of reporting and testing within and between countries. As a result, it's difficult to properly follow the evolution to determine the remaining risks. Hopefully, better processes will be put in place before a deadlier virus comes along.

CNN-Another 778 people died across New York state from coronavirus yesterday, Gov. Andrew Cuomo said. That's up from 671 on Sunday. At least 10,834 people in New York have died from coronavirus since the pandemic began.

WHET to the guy who posted the daily COVID stats on these threads? Hope he's well.

R403,

He posted 4 hours ago. I bet he’s fine.

Guardian-Doctors, virologists and epidemiologists in Sweden have denounced their government’s approach to tackling the coronavirus outbreak, as its death toll from Covid-19 increased by 114 in 24 hours, taking its total past 1,000. Unlike other parts of Europe, including its close neighbours Finland and Norway, Sweden has not imposed extraordinary lockdown orders to stem the spread of the virus, instead calling for citizens to take responsibility to follow social distancing guidelines. The strictest measures implemented so far have been gatherings of more than 50 people and a ban on visits to nursing homes. But its soft approach has drawn criticism. On Tuesday Sweden’s public health agency said it had recorded a total of 11,445 confirmed cases of Covid-19 and 1,033 deaths. Neighbouring Finland, which has about half the population of Sweden, had as of Tuesday reported 64 deaths, and has closed down restaurants and schools.

The deaths are flatlining - only minor declines - in most places. I’m shocked Spain went back to business. Let’s see what happens there. The clean inverted U-shape bell curve that models predicts isn’t happening. More of a plateau slightly below the peak.

The delay between infection and death - the only vaguely meaningful statistic from any place, not “cases” - makes it challenging to assess when we are safe. Seeing if their is a spike in case/deaths in Spain will be an interesting case study.

What is Spain thinking?? This will not end well

[quote]At least 10,834 people in New York have died from coronavirus since the pandemic began.

That leaves 13,800 deaths for the rest of the country. A very small amount considering population size.

Just between Italy, Spain, France UK: 66,200 deaths so far.

Italy begins their reopening plan:

R408. But NY is an anomaly due to the population density and travel in and out. For sure, they are ahead of all other states in terms of the impact. For now....

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 14 - 1:00 PM EST

😺 HAPPY BIRTHDAY NINO !

🐬 NATIONAL DOLPHIN DAY

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,956,457

DEATHS: 123,481

CRITICAL: 50,984

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 591,285

DEATHS: 24,618

CRITICAL: 12,784

✋: PASSING TIME & FEELING FINE !

Keep on trucking, CPT!

Trump Admin Still Stealing PPE Supplies Puts States On Guard | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

Mr Corona always gets his numbers, even in New Zealand which reported only 1 death about a week ago. Up to 9 now!

Guardian-New Zealand reported four deaths from Covid-19 today, bringing the death toll to nine and making it the country's largest number of novel coronavirus deaths reported in a single day. According to the health ministry, three of the newly reported fatalities are linked to a cluster of cases in Rosewood Resthome and Hospitals, an assisted living facility in Christchurch. The other death is a Wellington man in his 70s associated with overseas travel.

Yet France is able to do so??? How about reporting SOME numbers, even if incomplete? Scandalous!

BBC-The UK government has been criticised for only reporting hospital deaths in its daily updates, with the care sector angry that the scale of outbreaks is not being monitored in care homes. But logistically, it would be very difficult to collate those deaths in the same way. NHS England medical director Prof Stephen Powis and his Public Health England counterpart Yvonne Doyle point out the number of hospitals (around 200) compared to the number of care homes (11,000 plus) makes a big difference. But it is also true that there is not enough capacity to test care home residents for the virus, so like-for-like figures are simply not possible.

Ricky Gervais slams celebs whining about coronavirus isolation in mansions

Comedian Ricky Gervais lashed out in a new interview at mega-rich celebrities whining about isolation in their multimillion-dollar mansions — while hospital workers and others are risking everything during the coronavirus crisis.

The British funnyman was furious after seeing a series of celebrity meltdowns, which have included Ellen DeGeneres comparing her sprawling mansion to being stuck in jail, and the likes of Kelly Ripa and singer Sam Smith both breaking down in tears.

“After this is over, I never want to hear people moaning about the welfare state again, I never want to hear people moaning about nurses again. Or porters,” the 58-year-old comedian told the Sun.

“These people are doing 14-hour shifts and not complaining. Wearing masks, and being left with sores, after risking their own health and their families’ health selflessly.

“But then I see someone complaining about being in a mansion with a swimming pool. And, you know, honestly, I just don’t want to hear it,” he insisted.

Gervais — who has a well-documented history of attacking self-centered stars — soon tried to laugh off his comments.

“I didn’t go out much anyway, and there’s always too much booze in the house,” he told the UK paper after his tirade, joking that he was “looking at the watch” ready for the “6 p.m. watershed” to start drinking.

Gervais now knows all about the privileges of wealth, being worth an estimated $125 million and talking to the Sun from his $13 million home, the paper said.

But he says he will never forget the lessons he learned growing up in working-class Reading, where life “was a struggle.”

“And it was — I was the fourth child of an immigrant laborer,” he said of dad Larry, who got up every day at 5:30 a.m. and worked until he was 70.

“I had no money growing up, I didn’t have any until I was 40. But I still had everything,” he told the Sun.

“My mum, she gardened, she grew, she cooked, she sewed, she knitted, she decorated, she did everything she could. And she gave me everything I wanted except money.”

Watching mom Eva taught him that “men worked hard, but women worked miracles,” he said.

“Because when my dad finished his work, that was his own time. But my mum didn’t stop working, women didn’t stop working. Carers didn’t stop working, all the women in my family were carers in some respect.”

The lack of cash also taught him that “all the best things were free — friends, nature, learning and health care,” he said.

“And that’s why I gladly pay my taxes. And that’s why I clap the NHS,” he said of the UK’s free National Health Service.

It also taught him the real value of things in his life — and how he does not need to flash his cash.

“People ask me why I dress like a tramp. And I say, ‘My clothes are clean and comfortable. Who am I trying to impress?’” he said, adding that he doesn’t collect cars “because I can’t drive.”

“Nothing gives me more of a buzz than to help an animal,” said the pet lover, who regularly pushes animal rights charities.

“I’m not a hippie or Communist, I think money’s for the safety of your family and friends, and you can’t take it with you.”

Gervais spoke to the UK paper to promote the second series of “After Life,” his dark show about a man who loses the will to live after his wife dies of cancer.

His current fame allowed him to refuse to compromise on the dark material, which he admits would never make regular TV “in a million years.”

Healthy man, 27, who had coronavirus says virus ‘tricks you’ in recovery

A healthy 27-year-old Massachusetts man who was infected by COVID-19 says the virus “tricks you” into thinking you’re getting better — only to come back “with a vengeance,” according to a new report.

Cameron Karosis, of Cambridge — who had been working from home and only went out for groceries — told WBZ-TV that his illness began when he felt a kink in his neck that developed into a full-body ache on March 19.

A migraine came next — and then the signature respiratory issues of the illness, he told the station.

“If you are inhaling, all of a sudden you will hit this breaking point and you start coughing and it hurts like kind of in the lower part of your lungs,” he said. “And then when you are not trying to breathe either deeply or shallowly, you just feel like there’s someone sitting on your chest.”

He was tested for COVID-19, and said he received a positive result within four days.

His symptoms, he told the outlet, came in waves.

“It tricks you,” Karosis told the local station. “You have a week where you are doing poorly. You start to get better. Your fever dials back, and then it comes back with a vengeance, and that’s what happened to me.”

During the most severe stage of his illness, he was rushed to Massachusetts General Hospital, where he was treated for several hours.

“When it really hit me I think was when I was in the hospital,” he said. “I started to get pretty emotional just thinking to myself, like what if I end up being intubated or something like that? Is that going to change my life?”

Karosis fortunately did not need a ventilator, and was given the choice to remain at the hospital or return home. He picked the latter, opting to save a bed for someone who needed it more.

But Karosis said he didn’t feel completely well until Thursday — and finally started to work from home again, for the software developer and marketer HubSpot, on Monday.

He said he wants the public to know no one is immune to the virus.

“I only went to the grocery store twice,” Karosis said. “When I went, I wore gloves. I disposed of them immediately. I didn’t wear the same pair all day. And still got it. You can be healthy. You can do everything right. You can wear gloves. You can wear a mask. You can do everything right, and that doesn’t necessarily guarantee anything.”

R417

Oh you know he’s lying. I’m sure he never left his home otherwise. Did he mention he was banging that slut every night and she’s a total pass-around.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump Tell the Democrat Governors that “Mutiny On The Bounty” was one of my all time favorite movies. A good old fashioned mutiny every now and then is an exciting and invigorating thing to watch, especially when the mutineers need so much from the Captain. Too easy!

Mutiny on the Bounty was about the ruthless, unjust, tyrannical Captain Bligh of the HMS Bounty who shackled his own crew and tortured so many of his own men that they mutinied against him. It’s fascinating that Trump sees himself as Captain Bligh. It’s quite terrifying as well.

If they reopen when will it be? Will the greedy bastards do it before the end of April?

He doesn't have a clue about the plot points of "Mutiny on the Bounty." That would require learning and retention. All Fatso has is grievance and narcissism. EVERYTHING that happens to him is unjust. So naturally, he would feel that any mutiny against a leader would be unjust. Just because.

Spain appears to be "opening up" things that don't really involve contact with lots of random strangers. It's one thing for 20 construction workers to work on a stretch of highway, especially if most of them engage in tasks that are relatively solitary & isolated. For example, someone operating a bulldozer, crane, or roller is basically the only person using it on a particular day... at most, sharing it with one other person. Risk-wise, it's orders of magnitude lower than someone like, say, a grocery store clerk. Plus, if there are only one or two people on a given job site who are really qualified to operate a particular piece of specialized, expensive equipment, their supervisor has every incentive to minimize the risk that those two people will infect each other, because if they do, the whole site is likely to grind to a halt for days.

I'd say the risk for people like landscapers & gardeners isn't much higher. There might be 20 or 30 people doing groundskeeping for a large office park or neighborhood, but most of them are individually working in parallel on different sub-tasks at any given time. Mowing grass isn't really much of a social work activity. It might not be "essential", but it's also not a particularly high-RISK activity.

Lots of people might scream, "Foul!", but I'd argue that temporarily closing things like churches and other large public gatherings probably has a better opportunity-cost/benefit ratio than just about anything, because you're eliminating weekly gatherings of literally hundreds or thousands of people packed into enclosed areas like sardines... often, doing things like shaking hands, singing forcefully (and spreading droplets into the air), and worse. Often, with lots of people present who are unquestionably sick... and bringing together lots of people whose paths might otherwise not cross during the week. Simply put, traditional church ceremonies are an epidemiologist's worst nightmare... right up there with sitting in an aluminum tube breathing dry recirculated air shared with 50-200 strangers for hours at a time.

Hooking up for sex online is arguably risky... but I'd argue that hooking up with one or two guys per day online is probably less risky than congregating at a bar with hundreds of guys for 3-4 hours, and ENORMOUSLY less risk than congregating at a bar with hundreds of guys for 3-4 hours, THEN going home with one or two of them to do the same thing you would have done if you'd hooked up online instead. I'd estimate that you could probably hook up daily via Scruff/Grindr/etc with less net risk than platonically spending two hours at a bar on a Friday night & going home empty-handed.

Up to 25,000 deaths now

"Mutiny on the Bounty."

Love that he mentioned he watched the movie. Guess reading the book was too much of an effort for this president.

Fauci’s gonna be in hot water with Dump again:

[quote]Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government’s top infectious disease expert, said Tuesday the U.S. does not yet have the critical testing and tracing procedures needed to begin reopening the nation’s economy, adding a dose of caution to increasingly optimistic projections from the White House.

[quote]“We have to have something in place that is efficient and that we can rely on, and we’re not there yet,” Fauci said in an interview with The Associated Press.

But Dump says our testing is PERFECT, better than anyone else’s and we do MORE testing than ANY OTHER COUNTRY!

Dumpster won’t like this either:

[quote]Fauci said his public role is important but conceded that the duration of those briefings — Monday’s ran for nearly two-and-a-half hours — was “really draining” and that doesn’t even count preparation and waiting for it to start.

[quote]“If I had been able to just make a few comments and then go to work, that would have really been much better,” he said. “It isn’t the idea of being there and answering questions, which I really think is important for the American public. It’s the amount of time.”

If we open too soon the second wave will come almost immediately. If we do not open too early...there will be another wave in the late fall, and we will have to lock down again. So November, December, January * February. for sure. I hope we find a vaccine because this virus fucks up your lungs and can cause permanent damage to other vital organs as well.

I lost a lot of respect for him when Fauci said his statements were voluntary and no one should imply otherwise.

We all know he lied.

This is truly the "Spanish flu" all over again. Every country is playing with their numbers in a desperate attempt to show progress and to please the masses. Sadly, the ugly truth is hidden just beneath the surface. A second wave is coming. Followed by a third and a fourth.

CNN-Italy has reported an increase of 675 new cases of Covid-19 in the last 24 hours, the lowest increase in numbers since March 1. But 10,000 less tests were also administered in that time frame. There are now 104,291 active coronavirus cases, according to the Italian Civil Protection Agency.

What did you want him to say: I was forced? Trump bullied me?

"U.S. officials warned in January 2018 that the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s work on 'SARS-like coronaviruses in bats,' combined with 'a serious shortage' of proper safety procedures, could result in human transmission and the possibility of a 'future emerging coronavirus outbreak.'

In a series of diplomatic cables, one of which was obtained by The Washington Post’s Josh Rogin, U.S. Embassy officials warned their superiors that the lab, which they had visited several times, posed a serious health risk that warranted U.S. intervention. The officials were concerned enough about their findings to categorize the communications as 'Sensitive But Unclassified,' in order to keep them out of the public eye."

I hope that when Fauci is fired, he will have the guts and decency to admit his faults and to speak the truth, the full truth about the past, present and future.

R432: MSNBC and CNN would hire him immediately - as well as all the book deals. Dr. Fauci would be much better off without the Trump Dump.

433 For sure he would. But I suppose he has also signed a non disclosure agreement to never, ever speak a negative word about the devil for as long as he lives.

Birx is more of a collaborator.

Good for him!

BBC-A man in Adelaide, Australia has won a lottery prize of A$4.8m ($3m; £2.4m) after losing his job due to the coronavirus outbreak. The man, in his 20s, wishes to remain anonymous. He will receive A$20,000 a month for the next 20 years in a lottery draw called Set For Life. In a statement he said: “We are a young family and we have a baby, so this will set us up for the rest of our lives. “I recently lost my job because of Covid-19, and so this just gives me complete relief. I have been so stressed lately, but now I am so happy. He said he needed time to think about how he would spend the money but his wife had already made plans from shopping trips to holidays and a new house.

R428, we got a flash of Fauci's prickly temper when the reporter asked if his comments were "voluntary."

"Don't even imply that." And the glowering he gave her before he turned away from her. He and Trump deserve one another.

And now, we can only hope that when Trumpeters finally emerge from their 3½ year comas, they will remember everything that their esteemed leader did, and did not bother to do, and they will turn on their master like a bunch of rabid pitbulls.

Dream on r438

Americans are stupid as fuck.

I'm afraid the virus is just going to rebound again in Italy and Spain. The Mediterranean culture is all about congregating in restaurants, public squares and spaces. They spend very little time in their homes.

[quote]What did you want him to say: I was forced? Trump bullied me?

How about refusing to get up there and backtrack his statements (thus propping up Dump) in the first place? We all know what he said, It’s on tape. All Fauci did was make himself look like just another one of Dump’s minions.

I think Trump meant The Caine Mutiny.

He's just like Captain Queeg, hot on the trail of the strawberry thief.

Fauci has been in the govt since the dawn of time...through countless administrations...he knows how to play the game....he will be fine

francisco moya (d) city council member in NYC wants tax payers to help pay for immigrants' funerals and money for them...

USA Today:

Thousands of health care workers sickened by COVID-19 and 27 dead, CDC report says. But there's probably more.

Saks Fifth Avenue reveals plans for fashionably sanitized post-coronavirus opening

Saks Fifth Avenue is mapping out what its stores will look like post-coronavirus — and the plan includes sales associates who will wear fashionable masks while passing out little bottles of hand sanitizer.

Executives at the swanky retailer — owned by Canada-based Hudson’s Bay Company — have been drawing up a “re-entry plan” as the number of new COVID-19 cases appears to be leveling off in some states, The Post has learned.

The strategy centers on making customers feel safe, using everything from dispensable cosmetics samples and contactless credit-card readers to virtual shopping services that connect sales associates with fashion-obsessed clients who are hunkered down at home.

As for the face masks, they will likely be black, Saks President Marc Metrick told The Post.

“We don’t want anything medical or scary looking,” Metrick said of the masks. “Masks could become the new iPhone cases. There is a chance it could become another new accessory.”

Like thousands of other businesses around the country, Saks closed its doors on March 18 as the deadly coronavirus swept the nation. Now the chain is aiming to reopen at least some of its 41 stores, including its flagship on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, by June 1.

That means developing protocols to reassure customers that its employees are healthy.

Saks plans to take their temperatures with thermometers daily and potentially communicate those results to shoppers, Metrick said.

Sales associates and housekeeping staff alike will sanitize the store conspicuously in front of customers, not just during off hours.

That includes wiping down doorknobs and seating surfaces before customers enter a dressing room.

“We can’t pretend that everything is normal,” Metrick said. “I don’t think people will be standing six feet from each other 18 months from now, but there will be an interim period when they want a sense of security about how we are taking steps to protect them.”

Saks declined to address how these measures, as well as post-COVID-19 business climate, might affect its stores financially.

Macy’s, whose shares have tanked 80 percent this year, declined to specifically discuss its own plans to reopen after shuttering its 800 stores nationwide March 17, other than to say it won’t reopen all of them at the same time.

“We know that things will look different, that there will likely be enhanced public health requirements, as well as changed expectations from our customers,” Macy’s spokeswoman Blair Rosenberg said.

At the Saks Fifth Avenue flagship in Manhattan, some of the changes will be at odds with the store’s glitzy $250 million renovation completed last year, which had been aimed at tempting customers to linger longer.

Using Zoom and other video-conferencing apps, personal stylists will be available to walk clients through Gucci, Dior or Chanel shops while removing items from the rack for closer inspection. Saks also aims to roll out a new “valet” return system to allow customers to text a store associate to meet them at the entrance or even outside the store to handle the transaction.

“In the next normal, we can avoid you coming in the store altogether,” Metrick said. “I think some customers would enjoy that.”

Saks stores will reduce hours by 20 percent on average. Members of the company’s loyalty program, known as Saks Plus, will be able to book an appointment to shop an hour before or after the store officially closes.

There are kinks to be worked out. Saks is still investigating, for example, how to handle clothing that customers have tried on, including possibly using experts who can advise on how or if clothing needs to be cleaned.

In the beauty department, reusable samples will be eliminated, and “we’ll have to rethink how we use brushes and other tools that apply makeup,” Metrick said.

“Artists would need to be trained on new sanitization standards,” said retail consultant Gabriella Santaniello, president of A Line Partners. “And my guess is that a lot of beauty retailers will stock up on single-use samples” and turn to virtual makeup tools, she said.

Captain Queef

‘Stay away from me, please’: Trump tells recovered COVID-19 patients at awkward White House event

‘Stay away from me, please’: Trump tells recovered COVID-19 patients at awkward White House event

Betcha Andrew Cuomo would hire him in a heart beat.And major research institutions an universities would pay for using his name which is associated with integrity and expertise.

I’ve got a bad feeling that super fit Chris Cuomo, after having “recovered,” ends up experiencing the dreaded cytokine storm.

NYC beaches may be closed all summer amid coronavirus

The city’s Parks Department is being told to “prepare for every scenario” in the face of the lingering coronavirus — including the possibility that beaches will remain closed for the entire summer, a source told The Post.

“I am told they were given orders by OMB [the Office of Management and Budget] and City Hall to plan for scenarios including full and partial closures,” the insider said Tuesday.

Mayor Bill de Blasio warned hours earlier that social-distancing measures could be in effect into August — let alone Memorial Day weekend, when beaches typically open up.

Among the options on the table is a half-measure approach in which some sections of surf and sand would be opened, but competition for those slivers may only exacerbate crowding, the source said.

“If you do that you increase density. I think Parks understands that,” the source said. “Even if you say, ‘Is there a socially distant way of opening beaches?’, I don’t see it.”

Among the other issues is staffing, both with Parks Enforcement Personnel to enforce social-distancing, and lifeguards, the insider said.

“They’re having enormous difficulty hiring lifeguards right now,” the source said, noting that, unlike in typical years, the city is yet to launch its search for lifeguards.

“Even if the mayor wants to open the beaches — which I don’t think he’s going to — they don’t even have the manpower,” the source said.

And even if Hizzoner were inclined to green-light some fun in the sun, Gov. Andrew Cuomo could bigfoot him as he’s done so often throughout the crisis by deeming lifeguards non-essential personnel or otherwise overriding the clearance.

“This is another case where the governor may say, ‘The mayor has an opinion but I will have the final say,'” the source mused.

Asked for comment, City Hall pointed to de Blasio’s remarks during a press briefing held earlier Tuesday.

“We’re going to take this very slow and carefully to make sure we get it right.,” de Blasio said in part. “I’m always going to first focus on how do we guarantee the health and safety of New Yorkers and make sure we don’t take our foot off the gas too soon.”

Ronald Lauder opens online portal to report coronavirus hate crimes

Trump’s Airing Of Propaganda Video During Coronavirus Briefing Is ‘Act Of Disinformation’ | MSNBC

I'm not expecting to safely gather for a family holiday until Thanksgiving.

+2000 deaths now in the US for today. 12K cases away from 2M worldwide

[quote]Saks plans to take their temperatures with thermometers daily and potentially communicate those results to shoppers, Metrick said. Sales associates and housekeeping staff alike will sanitize the store conspicuously in front of customers, not just during off hours.

Is Saks going to pay these people extra for all this extra work on top of what they already do?

[quote]12K cases away from 2M worldwide

This is a totally meaningless number. The real # of those infected is MUCH higher.

Never mind Saks! What about Blacks fifth Avenue!! I'm out of a job!

[quote]This is another case where the governor may say, ‘The mayor has an opinion but I will have the final say.’

Cuomo is schooling everyone from Dump to De Blasio on down

Yes, Trump IS Charles Laughton. I always considered him a Charles Coburn look-a-like, but Laughton is even more apt. Fatter, grosser, uglier.

Even Putin, a true dictator, can not fully shut this story down. As reported earlier, "pnemonia" related deaths for January and February are significantly higher than last year. The number of imported cases from Chinese nationals returning via Russian land borders continues to grow. And more and more new cases are reported each day in Moscow and beyond . Clearly the total number cases and deaths are severely underreported. But evidence points to a major shitstorm there. We can only wonder what is going on in North Korea.

BBC-Russia has recorded its biggest rise in new infections in 24 hours with 2,774 cases. Over half of those were in Moscow. It has also emerged that 34 members of the Bolshoi Ballet theatre tested positive.

[quote]Saks plans to take their temperatures with thermometers daily

And what are they planning for the asymptomatic spreaders, who don't have fevers at that time?

Sudden massive jump in daily death toll in US (6.5K in last 24h) according to this tracker

I hope it wipes out Putin, his cabinet, many oligarchs and their whores.

For some reason this site won't let me post a link, but Jerry Falwell Jr is now being sued for his coronavirus response.

R465 do you think maybe they’re now including the nursing home deaths and those that died at home?

Maybe this?

BBC Breaking News- New York City has revised its coronavirus death toll to include those who died with respiratory symptoms but had not tested positive for the illness. The increase of over 3,700 on Tuesday puts the count at 10,367 dead, according to city health officials.

[R468], [R469] I think that might be it.

L.A. Times:

Gov. Gavin Newsom names six goals that must be met to lift California coronavirus order

From a study in France

CNN-A drug that’s been touted by President Trump as a “game changer” didn’t help hospitalized patients with coronavirus, and was associated with heart complications, according to a new study. “This provides evidence that hydroxychloroquine does not apparently treat patients with Covid-19,” said Dr. Paul Offit, an infectious disease specialist at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. “Even worse, there were side effects caused by the drug – heart toxicities that required it be discontinued.” The study was published Tuesday on a pre-print server and was not peer reviewed.In the study, among the 84 patients who took hydroxychloroquine, 20.2% were admitted to the ICU or died within seven days of inclusion. Among the 97 patients who did not take the drug, 22.1% went to the ICU or died. The difference was determined to not be statistically significant. Looking just at deaths, 2.8% of the patients who took hydroxychloroquine died, and 4.6% of the patients who did not take it died. That difference was also found to not be statistically significant.

He just announced he's suspending funding for WHO. He's blaming it for all the problems connected with the spread of COVID-19.

WTF?

Guardian-In Germany, local media are reporting that zoos are making contingency plans, including killing some of the animals, should the lockdown continue without a solution to their financial troubles. Neumünster Zoo’s director has told Die Welt they have “listed the animals we will have to slaughter first” and said some may even have to be fed to others. But even such drastic plans would not be sufficient to solve the problem.

CNBC:

Trump calls for halt to US funding for World Health Organization amid coronavirus outbreak

r456

[quote]I'm not expecting to safely gather for a family holiday until Thanksgiving.

2020 Thanksgiving will be unbearable to many families. Think of all the relatives policing hygiene and all the cooks in the kitchen.

R475: He has to blame somebody - because it is definitely not his fault, ever.

Over 2000 deaths today

R478 - crazy. The curve is not flattening yet

We were told today that we haven't peaked yet. It was a bad one for a lot of reasons.

Regarding Trump and all of this, I don't know if anyone else saw the impeachment ad that Eleven Films put together a few months back, but it started trending again yesterday. It's incredibly powerful, and I can only hope they put together something similar to hammer him over COVID.

Trump's "hair" looks like it would be a real virus catcher. Are they spraying it with disinfectant?

Reuters: Trump to convene G7 leaders in video link to discuss pandemic

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"Working together, the G7 is taking a whole-of-society approach to tackle the crisis across multiple areas, including health, finance, humanitarian assistance, and science and technology," said White House spokesman Judd Deere.

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I notice humanitarian assistance and science/technology come AFTER finance

[italic]#ChinaCentric

First there was the Antichrist in the WH, then pestilence sweeping the globe and now there is a plague of locusts in East Africa.

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 14 - 8:10 PM EST

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CASES: 1,995,947

DEATHS: 126,537

CRITICAL: 51,595

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Taiwan accuses WHO of downplaying coronavirus toll in China

Taiwan accused the World Health Organization of downplaying the spread of the coronavirus from China and released an email sent to the UN agency in December questioning whether COVID-19 could be transmitted from person to person, according to reports.

Taiwan’s Health Minister Chen Shih-chung said the email, written in English, was sent to the WHO on Dec. 31 and noted that “news resources today indicate that at least seven atypical pneumonia cases were reported in Wuhan, China.”

“Their health authorities replied to the media that the cases were believed not to be SARS, however the samples are still under examination, and cases have been isolated for treatment,” he quoted the text of the emails, according to Reuters and Fox News.

Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or SARS, was also caused by a previously unknown virus that originated in China.

It killed 774 people worldwide in 2003.

Chen said it should have been apparent to any medical professional that the circumstances described in the email would have required isolation and said the WHO was splitting hairs over the wording.

“If being treated in isolation is not a warning, then what is?” he asked.

Taiwan’s Centers for Disease Control said the wording about “atypical pneumonia” made it clear “there was a real possibility of human-to-human transmission.”

But because at the time there were no coronaviruses cases in Taiwan, their health officials couldn’t conclusively determine that kind of transmission took place.

WHO, in a statement to Reuters, said they didn’t receive an email about person-to-person transmission.

China, which refuses to acknowledge Taiwan’s sovereignty, has pressured the WHO not to recognize the country.

Taiwan has declared itself an independent nation for more than 70 years.

The WHO has been criticized for pandering to China in the early days of the outbreak.

And Beijing has been accused of failing to accurately report the number of cases – causing other countries to underplay their response to the outbreak.

As late as Jan. 14, the WHO said “there was no evidence of human-to-human transmission” of the virus.

It didn’t declare the coronavirus as a pandemic until March 11.

There are nearly 2 million cases worldwide, and the death toll has exceeded 120,000.

I think every single company now has a coronavirus commercial.

🦗 This is actually the second round of locusts.

As Steven King said "Sometimes They Come Back."

Just like The Dreaded Corona, King Donald !

Beijing is evil.

Make Taipei the internationally recognized capital of China.

I feel like I have to choose between China and Trump; can't they both be wrong, and evil?

Chy-nuh.

Chy-nuh. Chy-nuh. Chy-nuh.

He pronounces it "Gchy-nah."

There's a little G sound in the beginning.

I gots da Va- Gchy-nah.

Yoo vants too cee?

R490, don't choose. The CCP is an authoritarian regime who lie and obfuscate routinely and are obsessed with saving face. Trump is a lying grifting fuckup without any recognizable or socially acceptable human emotions.

I wonder if seeing states profess their own power, especially the big blue ones, will have the tangential effect of finalizing that movement to basically defang the electoral college by forming a coalition of states that pass laws to have their states votes go to the winner of the national popular vote?

deadliest day today

false hope yesterday which had less deaths

Up to one thousand deaths in Nassau County, New York now.

I know it is kind of morbid, but I keep going to the math at the beginning; 2% of 60%. If that is the final number my county is about one sixteenth of the way to the end. (May immunity last.)

Lots and lots of statistical modeling in this report from Harvard, but the summary is:

[quote] It is urgent to understand the future of severe acute respiratory syndrome–coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) transmission. We used estimates of seasonality, immunity, and cross-immunity for betacoronaviruses OC43 and HKU1 from time series data from the USA to inform a model of SARS-CoV-2 transmission. We projected that recurrent wintertime outbreaks of SARS-CoV-2 will probably occur after the initial, most severe pandemic wave. Absent other interventions, a key metric for the success of social distancing is whether critical care capacities are exceeded. To avoid this, prolonged or intermittent social distancing may be necessary into 2022. Additional interventions, including expanded critical care capacity and an effective therapeutic, would improve the success of intermittent distancing and hasten the acquisition of herd immunity. Longitudinal serological studies are urgently needed to determine the extent and duration of immunity to SARS-CoV-2. Even in the event of apparent elimination, SARS-CoV-2 surveillance should be maintained since a resurgence in contagion could be possible as late as 2024.

[quote] R382: We will never know the true numbers of people who died of Covid.

We might have a better idea by a statistical analysis. The number dead this year compared with the years before and after might provide the best estimate. But that may take time to look back.

Because stay-at-home orders have meant less driving, that equates to fewer car accident claims, so your automobile insurance company might be giving you a refund.

[quote] R385: How exactly does trump believe he can deny states their independence?

He publicly, strongly implied in his presser that he would deny services to governors who don’t “open up” when he says “jump”. That deserved some attention on the evening news shows by it seems like they’ve all missed it, among all the other outrageous things Trump says. I hope the Press asks him about it tomorrow.

I love this picture

Maybe the Governors were going along with Rump and downplaying the numbers. When he started acting even more power mad they decided to go against him.

Talk about waking up to a nightmare, R502....

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Can someone be so fat and play golf? Is it kinda like bowling? I just don’t understand the appeal of golfing.

R596, I don’t think Trump does any walking at all.

Trump also Implied retribution against states in that tweet today about mutiny.

Captain Blight

Not bing impeached by both houses has made him a even bigger monster. Also the jig is up. He can’t lie himself out of this gigantic mess. There is no telling what he will do.

I picked up on a few comments today on Twitter, how Red States were receiving fewer testing kits, but the numbers reported are skewed upward to reduce death count percentages lower. I think Trump is pressuring these states to report better numbers to "prove" all states should be opened back up, since the curve will flatten with these numbers.

Over 30,000 have been killed by Trump and it isn't over yet. He should be in prison or dead.

I hope Nancy impeaches him a second time before next Jan 20th. She might be able to do it after Congress gets seated on Jan 2 and the presidency changes in the 20th.

China is more evil than Trump.

r515, no, they're not.

A quarter of hospitalized Covid-19 patients are age 18-49. Almost a third are 50-64.

That’s what scares me.

Nobody could limbo under that low bar, R515.

Vaccine Update

Johnson & Johnson: The company said on Tuesday it plans to begin imminent production of its trial COVID-19 vaccine on an “at risk” basis as early as the start of 2021.

[quote] Manufacturing “at risk” allows the world’s third largest pharmaceutical company to produce a product before its ultimate design is finalized and released to the public. The company plans to produce its COVID-19 vaccine in the Netherlands, and a facility it is updating in the United States.

[quote] “We're manufacturing at risk to ensure that should the clinical development and the trials be successful, we are in a position to kind of flip the switch and ready to go, to create great access across the globe,” J&J CFO Joe Wolk told Yahoo Finance in an interview.

[quote] J&J began developing its vaccine for COVID-19 in early January with its European subsidiary Janssen Vaccines & Prevention B.V. It’s using the same biological platform Janssen uses in developmental vaccines for Ebola, Zika and Influenza.

[quote] Wolk (CFO of J&J) says the timeline is pretty certain. “We plan to be first in human testing sometime in early September. Should things progress, we would have data read out in December and that would hopefully lead to an approval the early part of 2021,” he added.

[quote] Meanwhile, Stoffels (Chief Scientific Officer of J&J) said emergency use authorization for the vaccine could come at the start of next year.

[quote] “Our goal is to enable the supply of more than 1 billion doses of the vaccine globally,” Stoffels said.

J&J is just one company trying to develop a vaccine.

[quote] There are now 70 coronavirus vaccines in development, as the race to find treatments also gathers pace

[quote] China’s CanSino Biological, in partnership with the Beijing Institute of Biotechnology, is in the lead, with the only candidate vaccine currently in phase two trials.

R520 R519 Hopefully these drug companies won’t skip the safety part of the vaccine trials in the mad rush to get one out.

worldometers and bing are reporting a large diff in USA deaths (26K vs 30K)

What R521 said.

The swine flu vaccine of 1976 was a rushed effort that ended in disaster—way too many people who got the vaccine developed Guillain-Barre syndrome (paralysis that happens when the immune system attacks the nerves).

Don't Stand So Close to Me.

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vaccines take time

that timeline of 18 months is insanely quick. It could be much longer than that

someone on my fb sent me a 50min video, a documentary about how the origins of the virus. that it was made in the lab...I watched it and there was a lot of science on it. I wonder if it's legit? It's from Epoch times, not familiar with this publication.

J&J started the development of the vaccine in January of this year, and the Chinese company developing their own vaccine is already in phase 2 trials. So maybe the 18-month clock already started at the beginning of this year.

Epoch Times is a conservative religious cult. People can make a lot of things look like "science".

R527, if you're not kidding, bless your heart.

The Epoch Times is run by a pro-Trump conservative cult.

I'm curious what approval ratings would be if pollsters took a poll after yesterday and today's "performances"

Current polling.

ABC7 Eyewitness News @ABC7 · 4m Placing critically-ill #coronavirus patients on their stomachs can improve breathing, potentially save lives, doctors are finding

Another possible treatment for Covid-19:

As critically ill, elderly patients streamed into his emergency room outside Seattle, Dr. Ryan Padgett quickly came to understand how deadly COVID-19 could be.

Of the first two dozen or so he saw, not a single one survived.

It took longer for Padgett and his colleagues at EvergreenHealth Medical Center — the first hospital in the country to treat multiple coronavirus patients — to learn how easily the disease could spread.

At first, the medical workers wore only surgical masks and gloves. Later, they were told to wear respirators and other gear, but the equipment was unfamiliar and Padgett couldn’t be certain he put it on and took it off correctly each time.

On March 12, with his wedding day two months away, Padgett became the patient.

Soon after being admitted to his own hospital with a fever, cough and difficulty breathing, he was placed on a ventilator. Five days after that, his lungs and kidneys were failing, his heart was in trouble, and doctors figured he had a day or so to live.

He owes his survival to an elite team of doctors who tried an experimental treatment pioneered in China and used on the sickest of all COVID-19 patients.

Lessons from his dramatic recovery could help doctors worldwide treat other extremely ill COVID-19 patients.

Based on the astronomical level of inflammation in his body and reports written by Chinese and Italian physicians who had treated the sickest COVID-19 patients, the doctors came to believe that it was not the disease itself killing him but his own immune system.

It had gone haywire and began to attack itself — a syndrome known as a “cytokine storm.”

The doctors tried a drug called Actemra, which was designed to treat rheumatoid arthritis but also approved in 2017 to treat cytokine storms in cancer patients.

“Our role was to quiet the storm,” said Dr. Samuel Youssef, a cardiac surgeon. “Dr. Padgett was able to clear the virus” once his immune system was back in balance.

Dr. Matt Hartman, a cardiologist, said that after four days on the immunosuppressive drug, supplemented by high-dose vitamin C and other therapies, the level of oxygen in Padgett’s blood improved dramatically. On March 23, doctors were able to take him off life support.

Four days later, they removed his breathing tube. He slowly came out of his sedated coma, at first imagining that he was in the top floor of the Space Needle converted to a COVID ward.

CNN @CNN · 6m A machine that gives out free rice -- it sounds too good to be true. But these "rice ATMs" have been set up around Vietnam to help those who need it most during the coronavirus pandemic.

R534 The drug, Actemra, has been approved in China to treat Covid-19 and is currently in a worldwide drug trial:

Roche has announced that the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has formally approved its phase 3 trial of Actemra in severely ill COVID-19 patients, who have been hospitalised with pneumonia.

Actemra (tocilizumab) – an interleukin-6 inhibitor – has already been approved in China for the treatment of patients infected with the novel coronavirus disease, who have developed serious lung damage and also have elevated levels of IL-6 in the blood.

Previous research has suggested that elevated IL-6 – a biomarker for inflammation and a high-level immune response – is associated with a higher mortality in people with community-acquired pneumonia.

The investigation of Actemra's use in COVID-19 is based on the hope that the drug could interrupt the process of ‘cytokine release syndrome’ (CRS), a form of serious inflammatory response that can occur as a complication of some infections.

It was first cleared by the FDA as a treatment for rheumatoid arthritis and has also subsequently been approved in juvenile idiopathic arthritis, giant cell arteritis and CRS associated with CAR-T cell therapies for cancer.

Roche had announced its intent to collaborate on a trial evaluating the drug in COVID-19 patients with the US Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) earlier this month.

The trial – named COVACTA – will recruit around 330 patients around the world, with an expected start date sometime in early April.

Most NYC kids ‘probably’ already have coronavirus, doc says

Most New York children “probably” already have coronavirus and are serving as vectors to spread the disease, according to one New York pediatrician.

Dr. Dyan Hes at New York City’s Gramercy Pediatrics advised parents to assume their children have the virus if they contract even mild symptoms consistent with the disease.

“I think that probably 80 percent of the children have coronavirus. We are not testing children. I’m in New York City. I can’t get my patients tested,” Hes said during an interview at CBS News.

“And we have to assume, if they are sick, they have coronavirus. Most of them, probably 80 to 90 percent of them, are asymptomatic.”

But the number of infected children is unknown because so many children don’t display any symptoms, she said — and that could alter COVID-19’s mortality rate.

“So, these numbers are so skewed. I think that the mortality rate is way, way less than 0.5 percent for children who have it because it is so prevalent,” Hes said.

“You have to remember thousands of kids die from flu a year. This is much, much less virulent in children.”

The bigger risk lies in those infected children passing the virus to much more vulnerable populations, like the elderly or those with pre-existing health conditions.

“The problem with children is that they are so asymptomatic that they are spreading it. And our biggest mistake was that we didn’t close the public schools when we should have,” said Hes.

“So the children were the vectors to the teachers, who might be elderly or immunocompromised.”

Hes said parents should only take their children to a doctor for scheduled vaccine visits or if they’re exhibiting shortness of breath.

“[Y]ou just have to keep that child at home for 14 days. Socially distance,” she added. “When they go back out, if they’re above age 2, they should be wearing masks.”

Children rarely contract severe illness from the coronavirus — and might not even display a fever or a cough, according to a report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from April 6.

Children make up a small fraction of confirmed US coronavirus cases — 2,572 of the 149,082 cases reported as of April 2 for which the patient’s age was known, or about 1.7 percent.

But Hes says the true number of pediatric cases are not known because of the limited testing available and the relatively minor threat to kids.

“We have zero tests for children. We have zero swabs,” she said.

“I’ve had patients whose parents have COVID, child has a 102.5 fever. At the beginning when we were doing this, we were sending them to the ER. They got turned away. They were not tested because we do not have enough tests and the kids are doing well.”

Chile counts coronavirus deaths as ‘recovered’

Chile is counting those who have died due to the coronavirus as “recovered” because they no longer show symptoms, the country’s top health official said this week.

“We have 898 patients who are no longer contagious, who are not a source of contagion for others and we count them as recovered. These people have completed 14 days since their diagnosis or unfortunately died,” Health Minister Jaime Manalich said at a news conference.

The news shocked the country while Manalich claimed the peculiar method of counting casualties was based on the recommendation of “international experts,” local media reported.

Chile’s first coronavirus case was confirmed on March 3. The virus began dramatically spreading in the following weeks, with now more than 7,900 confirmed sick and another reported 92 related deaths, according to data from Johns Hopkins University.

More than 2,646 coronavirus cases have “recovered” from the virus in Chile, researchers at the institution reported. see also Third cougar captured amid Chilean city's coronavirus lockdown

Chilean President Sebastian Pinera on Wednesday declared a 90-day “state of catastrophe” several weeks ago, instituting a nationwide curfew between 10:00 p.m to 5:00 a.m and closing its borders to nonresidents.

After a quarantine was mandated for parts of its capital, Santiago, cougars fleeing severe droughts in the foothills have been caught roaming the city streets.

Health officials across the globe have faced accusations of incomplete or misrepresented coronavirus data, either intentionally or accidentally.

US officials have said they believe China to be undercounting the number of infections and deaths in the country.

Every time I see a fucking kid now on the streets of the UWS I’m giving one ofbtheir parents an especially dirty look. Kids shouldn’t be living in a densely populated place like NYC now, anyway, they should be shipped off somewhere.

This monster is sinking.

I have been out a few times and most of the time, the kids I see don't have masks or even homemade ones, the cunt parents just let them play and scream and shout on public streets spewing their fucking germs into the air.

SkyNews @SkyNews · 35m Coronavirus: Stray dogs eating bat meat may have started pandemic, study says

Leave it to Lump to get us all killed.

Coronavirus: UK made promises to China over how it would refer to COVID-19, China claims

The British government is refusing to confirm or deny reports it has given China assurances about the way it refers to the coronavirus pandemic and its cause.

The Chinese Embassy in London says Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab has promised Beijing it will not "politicise" the outbreak and "fully agrees with China that the source of the virus is a scientific issue that requires professional and science-based assessment".

If the UK has made such assurances it will be seen as siding with China in a growing international row over the country's handling of the fallout of the pandemic which began there.

The Chinese have accused US President Donald Trump's administration of "politicising" the COVID-19 outbreak by calling it the "Chinese" or "Wuhan" virus.

And Mr Trump and the World Health Organisation have accused each other of politicising the crisis in a row over the WHO's naivety in praising China's response to the outbreak. Advertisement

The Foreign Office will only confirm that Mr Raab had discussions with the Chinese ambassador and its foreign minister but would not be drawn on the nature of those talks.

"The UK believes coronavirus is a global challenge and it's vital that countries come together to tackle this shared threat," officials said in a written statement.

"We've always said that transparent and accurate information about the virus is essential for an effective global response."

However asked about the reports former foreign Secretary Lord Hague told Sky News the source of the virus appears to be fairly incontrovertible, saying: "I haven't seen a credible theory that doesn't have it coming out of China somehow."

The reports come as Western anger and frustration with China over the pandemic grows. Scientists believe its most likely source was wild animals - and that it was transferred to humans in an animal market in Wuhan.

But the Chinese government is trying to shift the blame, according to British intelligence, who accuse Beijing of engaging in a Russian-style disinformation campaign to muddy the water.

A Chinese foreign ministry official has, for instance, publicly suggested the virus was brought to Wuhan by the American military.

And the Global Times - an international mouthpiece for the Chinese government - tweeted suggestions it may have started in Italy.

If Mr Raab has agreed with China that the "source of the virus is a scientific issue that requires professional and science-based assessment" as is being claimed by the Chinese, he may also want to seek assurances from them that that quest will be open and transparent.

The Chinese suppressed reports of the virus when it first appeared and persecuted whistleblower doctors.

They are believed to have massively under-reported the scale of their own outbreak.

And Chinese authorities have also in the last few days placed restrictions on any scientific or academic research into the virus.

Studies on the origin of the virus must now be approved by central government officials.

The cover-up and under-reporting in China is likely to have led Western countries to greatly underestimate the threat of COVID-19 and fail to prepare for their own outbreaks sufficiently.

If China also suppresses its own findings into the causes of the virus, vital lessons will go unlearned making another future pandemic more likely.

I'm tired of this Coronavirus. If I ever hear the words "mask" or "virus" or "Trump" again, it will be too soon! And mark my words, I will never be short on tp again!

Does air con help spread coronavirus? Chinese study of 3 families in a restaurant suggests so

-- Direction of airflow from air conditioning’s ventilation found to be the key factor in what was believed to be droplet transmission

-- Restaurants advised by the researchers to increase the space between tables

A study of 10 coronavirus cases from three families who dined at the same restaurant in southern China has suggested that air conditioning aided droplet transmission between them.

“Strong airflow from the air conditioner could have propagated droplets” between three tables, according to the report of the research, based on the infections in the city of Guangzhou in late January. Droplet transmission alone could not explain the infections, it concluded.

Restaurants should increase the space between tables and improve ventilation to reduce the risk of infection, according to the report of the research, led by Jianyun Lu of the Guangzhou Centre for Disease Control and Prevention.

The research is revealed in an early-release article for the July edition of Emerging Infectious Diseases, the open-access and peer-reviewed journal published by the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention of the United States.

Family clusters of infections have helped the spread of a pandemic in which the world’s total cases are approaching 2 million and the death toll has passed 120,000.

The first patient of the 10 cases studied in Guangzhou had on January 23 returned from Wuhan, where the coronavirus was first reported in December.

The person had lunch with three family members the next day at a windowless restaurant with an air conditioner on each floor.

Two other families sat at neighbouring tables, with about one metre between each and an overlap in dining time of about an hour, the report said.

The first patient had a fever and cough later that day and went to hospital. Within two weeks, four further members of their family, three members of the second family and two of the third family had become ill with Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

After detailed investigation, it was found that the only known source of exposure for the second and third families was the first patient in the restaurant.

“From our examination of the potential routes of transmission, we concluded that the most likely cause of this outbreak was droplet transmission,” the report said.

“We conclude that in this outbreak, droplet transmission was prompted by air-conditioned ventilation. The key factor for infection was the direction of the airflow.”

It said another 73 customers who dined on the same floor were identified as having close contact with the first patient, but were found to have no symptoms of Covid-19 during a 14-day quarantine and provided throat swab samples that tested negative. No staff working at the restaurant were found to be infected.

Six smear samples from the air conditioner’s outlet and inlet all tested nucleotide negative, it said.

“This finding is less consistent with aerosol transmission,” the report said. “However, aerosols would tend to follow the airflow, and the lower concentrations of aerosols at greater distances might have been insufficient to cause infection in other parts of the restaurant.

“To prevent the spread of the virus in restaurants, we recommend increasing the distance between tables and improving ventilation.”

The Guangzhou team stated that the research had limitations because they did not conduct an experimental study simulating the airborne transmission route, nor perform antibody studies of swab sample-negative, asymptomatic family members and other diners to estimate the risk of infection from them.

Hmmm. R545 you given me an idea.

[quote] R515: China is more evil than Trump.

They’re both awful and there is no reason to compare the two.

Trump is; however, the American President and his actions have a greater affect on other Americans than anything China is likely to do. Trump has great potential to be even worse than he has already been, too. He’s a stupid, lazy man with severe mental illness and no discernible, positive, personality or character traits Of course he’d be a disaster.

He’ll be even worse as the election approaches and worse still, between when he’s defeated in November and replaced in January.

The Straits Times @STcom · 18h Coronavirus: 334 new cases in Singapore, bringing total to 3,252

Fuck China!

Australian government plans to bring in mobile phone app to track people with coronavirus

Australia soon will adopt a sophisticated mobile phone app that tracks coronavirus victims and the people they come in contact with.

The federal government wants to introduce the app, now being used in Singapore, within a fortnight and will outline the plan to premiers during the next meeting of the national cabinet on Thursday.

It will be part of a broader strategy to point to an exit from the tough Covid-19 restrictions which have shut businesses and confined millions to their homes.

But the proposal will come with a warning that while the so-called “road out” is being considered, the federal government does not intend to travel on it for several months yet.

Scott Morrison said in an interview on Tuesday evening that Australia had “put itself in a good position to be able to deal with what is a global calamity” but the battle was not over yet.

“Yes, we’ve had a good couple of weeks, but that does not a virus beat,” the prime minister told Sky News. “And that’s why we have many more in front of us before we could even possibly contemplate the easing of restrictions.”

It is understood that in a stepped program, governments will consider allowing construction and manufacturing companies to reopen, but will not be able to offer much hope for service industries.

The federal government wants to expand testing and tracing programs, upgrade the capacity to respond to localised outbreaks, and introduce the tracker app.

Singapore has reported a 20% take-up of the app, which people infected with Covid-19 use to alert health authorities of their movements and the people they come in contact with.

The federal government is aiming for a 40% take-up.

The high-tech device — in Singapore called TraceTogether — has been credited with the initial limiting of the spread of Covid-19 on the island, although other factors such as the opening of businesses dangerously early have reduced that progress.

While the app would be voluntary, its introduction could raise privacy issues and concerns it might later be used for surveillance.

Australia has so far had 6,400 confirmed cases of Covid-19, with 61 deaths, according to the latest figures, published on Tuesday afternoon. The average daily increase in known cases over the past three days was 0.68%.

Morrison said the behaviour of Australians over the Easter long weekend had shown that people had been heeding the message about the need for vigilance.

“There’s got to be a reward for all of this great effort that’s going in, and there will be, but we’ve got to make sure that’s done at the right time,” he told Sky News.

In an interview with SBS, Morrison warned against “dangerous complacency”.

Prof Lyn Gilbert, the chair of the Infection Prevention and Control Expert Advisory Group that reports to the nation’s chief health officers, said the recent trends in the data were really encouraging, but she agreed that Australia needed to guard against becoming complacent.

She said hospital admissions and deaths might increase even if new cases of Covid-19 continued to decrease in coming weeks. This was because there was a lag time between case notifications and deaths, as people might get sick, have relatively mild symptoms for a while and then deteriorate.

“The other warning, of course, is that there are still cases occurring,” Gilbert said in an interview. “And the only way they’re going to stay down and continue to fall is if everyone continues to do what we’re doing. What we’re doing is still continuing to do a lot of testing, to try to identify every case as quickly as possible.”

Gilbert added that once the downward trend seemed to be becoming more secure, there would probably be “some very cautious lifting of restrictions”, but patience was needed.

[quote]Stray dogs eating bat meat may have started pandemic, study says

Got to finish that train of digestion because the next line is '...and then the Chinese people ate the fucking dogs!'

So basically, the app in R551 relies on people who know they have it to self-report their movements? How does that really help when many asymptomatic people have no idea they're spreading the virus as they go about their business?

R553, somehow it works. It was first used in South Korea and things seem to have improved a lot there.

Not sure if this was already mentioned earlier

Guardian-The Washington Post reports that Donald Trump’s name will be added to to $1,200 relief checks being sent to 70 million Americans – and that this “unprecedented” decision will “slow their delivery by several days.”

R554, was it mandatory in S. Korea or voluntary? Knowing how strict Singapore is, it's probably mandatory there...

R554, was it mandatory in S. Korea or voluntary? Knowing how strict Singapore is, it's probably mandatory there...

[quote]Stray dogs eating bat meat may have started pandemic, study says

Yeah, let's blame bat-eating dogs, something I have NEVER heard of, instead of bat-eating Chinese who Instagram their meals.

Go Nancy! Go Nancy!

BBC-The Speaker of the US House of Representatives, Nancy Pelosi, has launched a scathing attack on President Donald Trump, hours after he announced the US would halt funding to the World Health Organization (WHO). "Americans must ignore lies and start to listen to scientists and other respected professionals in order to protect ourselves and our loved ones," she said in a statement. She said the president "ignored... warnings, took insufficient action and caused unnecessary death and disaster", adding that shortages of tests and protective equipment were threatening lives. "There are important decisions ahead," she went on to say. "But if we are not working from the truth, more lives will be lost, economic hardship and suffering will be extended unnecessarily and our children will not be safe, happy and learning

[quote]This is actually the second round of locusts.

Hey Darfur Orphan: Locusts are a good source of protein.

Don't be such an ungrateful bastard.

One of the most surreal experiences in this entire thing was discovering that Dan Renzi from Real World: Miami, who is a nurse in Kansas, had volunteered to come to NYC to help out. Perhaps being a famewhore (although considering how he's aged, I doubt it), he's been vlogging about his experiences. This came to the attention of no less than Rachel Maddow, who featured some of his comments. She seemed really moved by them.

Jeez. Stop it with the New York Post. You might as well quote Fox.

[quote]She said the president "ignored... warnings, took insufficient action and caused unnecessary death and disaster"

This of course totally needs to be said and out there - and I'm not sure if anyone of Nancy's public seniority has yet spoken truth to power so forcefully. Brava Nancy.

The truth, specially from this source, will incense Trump. And embolden others. And so we await the next grotesque 'distraction', of no use at all in fighting the virus.

For sure Biden needs to make this point crystal clear, especially for the undecided voters.

I love Nancy. I would take a bullet for that beautiful 80 year woman. But why oh why isn’t anyone talking about impeachment? Rump would be crushed to be the only President impeached twice. Who knows? Maybe the RePigs would do the right thing this time.

It's a beautiful, beautiful thing to have a president who is strong and decisive.

Too bad we don't have one.

Coronavirus Update: Age And Obesity Are Biggest Risk Factors For COVID-19 Hospitalization

Age and obesity are risk factors?

I wonder why no one's ever mentioned that before?

R568 Obviously not, given the amount of WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!! alarmism.

SkyNews @SkyNews · 14m Coronavirus: Duke of Westminster donates £12.5m to NHS and the vulnerable

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why isn't the Queen donating any money? you can't take it with you old cunt!

Is it time to start bitching about the next thread yet?

R569. I find your comment offensive. Old and obese people are no less important than the rest of us.

I don’t think Americans have the bandwidth for impeachment now unless GOP has grown some cajones. Trump is a menace and a plague ... I don’t get how he’s allowed to continue. The .01% not getting worried yet? Those bread bank lines aren’t going to get better and the virus doesn’t care about being yelled at

Did anyone actually believe that Trump would be impeached?

Fuck you, R569

[quote] Obviously not, given the amount of WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!! alarmism.

The notion that it is only a problem for aged and obese people is both offensive and inaccurate. Those are two risk factors, but there have been a lot of non-obese, younger people who have also succumbed to the virus. You don’t know when you get it if you’re one of the unlucky ones who ends up in the hospital and may die.

R572

> But why oh why isn’t anyone talking about impeachment?

1. Would Pence genuinely be much of an improvement? Trump is a buffoon & chimp, but at least he's open about it & even Republicans can (sort of) see & admit it (privately) now. Pence would give Republicans an instant excuse to think everything is going to be "ok".

2. Building upon #1, Republicans in the House & Senate can increasingly break ranks with Trump. Put Pence in the White House, and they'd feel pressure to get in line and support him.

3. Do we really want national Days of Prayer as core elements of a recovery plan?

4. As bad as the DC dumpster fire is, Trump *is* somewhat paying attention to it. Start impeachment, and the virus becomes a non-issue as far as Trump is concerned. War on C19 would become War on Democrats.

5. It would give Trump even more daily media access to not only defend himself, but treat it as free campaign ads.

No, it's far better to just keep giving Trump lots of rope to hang himself on by giving the Democrats plenty of TV footage to use against him in September & October, and allow Governors to openly show contempt for him with the tacit assistance of Congress.

If he loses bigly in November, don't even wait for January. Impeach him the day after the Electoral College makes it official, and let him angrilk storm out of the White House before Christmas in total disgrace.

I don't think Pence would necessarily be a better "real" president than Trump, but I do think he'd be a more graceful lame-duck caretaker whose most significant act as President would be lighting the national Christmas Tree.

Plus, it would be absolutely *hilarious* to see the Pence family awkwardly stumbling around Kwanzaa for a week, trying to avoid it while simultaneously trying to look like they aren't publicly DISSING it. My guess is, he'd spend every day of that week at black evangelical churches doing everything to not say the "K word" while everyone there knew it was the only reason he was actually there.

If Pence is a choir boy, video of him in robes at a black church trying to belt out a Negro Spiritual could provide comedy fodder for *years*.

Pence would smear Jesus onto every aspect of the Federal government and we would NEVER get rid of it.

Senators and Representatives are cowards when it comes to controversial votes. Not one of them would vote to reverse Pence's effort to infect the government with Jesus. Not a single one of them would vote against Jesus.

Ron De Santis struggling to look convincing while defending his choice to make professional wrestling an "essential business"

Sylvia, please start the next thread

Thank you.

Fine. Remember: NO GODDAMNED BITCHING.

Fuck you, Sylvia.

Thousands of grocery store workers have gotten sick during coronavirus pandemic, union says

Grocery store workers are among those most vulnerable to coronavirus infections, due to the essential nature of their work and the fact that they come into contact with many strangers each day. And according to the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union, that situation has taken a tragic toll, leading to 30 deaths and at least 3,000 cases where a grocery store employee has called off work due to illness.

The union, which represents 900,000 grocery workers, surveyed its members and found other disturbing facts. According to its results, 85% of grocery store customers aren’t practicing social distancing, and 28% do not limit the number of customers that can be in the store at a time. The union’s total death and case numbers are also incomplete, since major chains like Whole Foods and Trader Joe’s are not unionized.

In a media call on Monday with the union, grocery store employees laid out various steps customers can take to help keep workers safe. Those include keeping their distance from workers, spending as little time in the store as possible, and both wearing and properly disposing of personal protective equipment.

Fuck you, [R569]

R582. LOVE THE NEW TITLE my dear. But there will always be bitching. And fortunately so. I love and hate all of you bitches! But, you are my family, for better or worse. I can't imagine how I could survive this lockdown without this forum. Seriously, all bullshit aside

R584 All grocery store employees need to be wearing masks, yet none of them are where I live. And customers aren't the only ones not social distancing. My last trip to the store I was using a self-checkout. When it came time to move to the end to do my bagging, there were two store employees standing and chatting with each other, normal distance apart, no masks, within a few feet of my space. I had to ask them to move so that I could bag.

By pulling funding for the WHO, Trump has just sentenced many poorer people outside of the US who rely on our contributions to death. He is the antichrist. There are NO two words about it.

Guardian-The director general of the World Health Organisation, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, has called for unity against the “common threat” posed by coronavirus, after Donald Trump announced he would withhold US funding. In the opening statement of the WHO’s daily press conference Ghebreyesus reaffirmed the principles of the organisation’s founding ideals and constitution, “to protect and promote the health of the world’s people.” Addressing the Trump’s decision to withhold funding, he went on: The United States of America has been a longstanding and generous friend to WHO and we hope it will continue to be so. We regret the decision of the president of the United States to order a halt in the funding to WHO. With support from the people and government of the United States, WHO works to improve the health of the world’s poorest and most vulnerable people. ... This is a time for all of us to be united in our struggle against our common threat. When we are divided the virus exploits the cracks between us.

He is such a petty would-be tyrant. I can’t wait for us to toss his fat ass in November.

They need to replace the head of the WHO, his name is obnoxious. Also he is actually very comfy with China.

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Tomorrow then. Europe takes the Easter break more seriously than I thought

BBC-Asked about why the UK was not discussing easing lockdown measures, as other countries which appear to have passed the peak have begun to do, Chief Medical Officer Prof Chris Whitty said: "We have not hit a point we can say confidently and safely this is past the peak and we can think about the next stages." He said he expected the number of recorded deaths to jump mid-week after a four-day bank holiday weekend. Matt Hancock said it was too early to make changes and the advice remained to everybody to "stay home".

Bajour!

I'm not dead yet!