Coronavirus Freakout 33: Que Sera Sera

Fuck it! I’m turning on the Ac.

Link to previous thread:

Wow, OP, so fucking brilliant- well worth starting the thread with more than 50 posts to go on the previous one. Stunning and brave.

I'm just glad I can see this one, OP.

Thanks for beating the trolls to it.

Someone asked or hinted to start a new one. Since I got 2 ignores fore the price of one ( Sylvia and Not Sylvia ) I looked really hard to see if another had been started. I didn’t realize there was 50 to go on the old one but I do know the other person started early. Does it hurt to have two? I won’t artificially close out the old one. A lot of people like me assume couldn’t see the thread title. You can’t please everyone but you can at least try unlike you know who.

Thanks OP.

So the study that Indicate Covid may be way more infectious is freaking me out, particularly given the idiot cyclists who whiz by. I've been wearing a mask when I go to the store, but I may need one for walking now. Grrrr

I can hardly breath in my mask. I'm not wearing one to go for a walk.

[quote] I can hardly breath in my mask.

R7 = Kelly Osbourne

I feel stupid and contagious:

Here we are now: entertain us.

Oh well, whatever, nevermind.

Therapeutic plasma is going to transition from individual patient eINDS to an expanded access trial very soon.

What is eINDS?

What do you think of the issue of nationality and COVID 19. My friend seems to think Norther Euros get milder cases and Southern Euros like Italians, Spanish and even Jews get it worse. Has there been any studies on this?

Emergency Investigational New Drug (for compassionate use in a singe patient)

As opposed to regular INDs which are for research studies.

OP, thank you for undertaking the thankless task of making the new thread. Ignore the backlash. It comes with the territory.

Apparently the CDC took back its endorsement of Plaquenil as an approved therapy.

How long until the head of the CDC gets fired?

How long do you think we will be wearing masks?

[quote] My friend seems to think Norther Euros get milder cases and Southern Euros like Italians, Spanish and even Jews get it worse.

WTF? How do southern Europeans get lumped together with, or possibly separated from "Jews," who themselves may or may not be southern European?

We don't have enough evidence to determine that your friend is a straight-up bigot, but he might be. Certainly, your friend is too stupid to live. That much is clear. Hit him in the head with a brick. Get his stuff.

CNN International @cnni · 21m Coronavirus lockdowns across the globe should not be completely lifted until a vaccine for the disease is found, according to a study

NBC News @NBCNews · 11m UPDATE: 416 sailors on the USS Theodore Roosevelt have tested positive for coronavirus, with 97% on the ship having been tested; 1 sailor has been transferred to ICU after being found unresponsive in their room in Guam.

euronews @euronews · 20m Colombian policemen give Zumba fitness classes to entertain residents stuck at home over #coronavirus fears.

The Wall Street Journal @WSJ · 11m Desperate to protect staff from the new coronavirus, hospitals in the U.S. are buying N95 masks that often fail quality tests—and keeping them

Happy Easter, baby!

[quote]NBC News @NBCNews · 11m UPDATE: 416 sailors on the USS Theodore Roosevelt have tested positive for coronavirus, with 97% on the ship having been tested; 1 sailor has been transferred to ICU after being found unresponsive in their room in Guam.

To be fair, a Nimitz-class carrier has a crew complement of 6000, including the pilots and aircraft support people.

TIME @TIME · 14m Record 16.6 million people have sought U.S. jobless aid since coronavirus outbreak began

R16, focus group of one and no real expertise, but my thinking is masks for a long time, and related supplies and functionality that reduces the transmission of bacteria and viruses.

Even when Corona has viable treatment and eventually vaccine, this has changed thinking, if not in gen pop, at the policy level. Even Republicans don’t want to go through this again because they can’t bear the financial implications on stocks and businesses, although I assume they’re less fussed about people dying.

I read an an editorial in a mainstream newspaper about post-crisis planning that had a single sentence that seemed to infer Germany is planning widespread distribution of face masks. I think they’re with us as policy for a year. In North American and European metro areas they will now probably never go away, though use won’t be universal... but we will look a lot more like Asia. In a year I imagine somebody will be selling a long-acting N95 type mask (that works, not some knock off shit from China you get on Amazon) at the retail level.

I also think you’ll see more gloves in winter months. Someone will invent antimicrobial gloves... the glove version of a Clorox wipe.

In a medium time frame I think you will see more and more motion sensitive retrofittings - taps in the bathroom, automatic doors etc in public/shared spaces and probably elevators going Siri: Elevator, fourth floor please.

I also think you will see even further application of copper... it is a natural antimicrobial. This virus dies on it in four hours.

I agree masks are going to be the norm until we get a vaccine. The country is going to open up and the most obvious directive is everyone has to wear a mask. Trump and his tards may not want to wear them but they'll give in because they want economy to work again. So of course in true Trumpian turnaround--they always knew masks were the answer.

Hopefully crisis being the mother of invention, someone will develop an effective mask that is comfortable to wear all day.

I wish Trump would wear a mask. Even having half that face out of view would really be good for the country.

Bloomberg @business · 7m Smoking may raise the risk of Covid-19 by elevating enzymes that allow the virus to gain access into lung cells

R26 You'd think the fucker would see this as an opportunity to market red MAGA face masks.

I just ordered some masks from Wish.com, will report back whenever I receive them.

Simulation shows how a cough can spread coronavirus in supermarkets

Researchers in Finland have released a chilling simulation that shows how droplets from a single cough in a supermarket can hang in the air for “several minutes” and travel across two aisles — possibly infecting nearby shoppers with the coronavirus.

Aalto University, the Finnish Meteorological Institute, VTT Technical Research Centre of Finland and the University of Helsinki studied how aerosolized particles spewed from the respiratory tract when coughing, sneezing — or even talking – flow through the air.

According to preliminary results, tiny particles carrying the coronavirus can linger in the air longer than was originally thought, driving home the importance of avoiding packed indoor spaces.

The four research organizations each conducted the modeling independently, using the same starting conditions, for a person coughing in an aisle between shelves, according to Aalto University.

“Someone infected by the coronavirus, can cough and walk away, but then leave behind extremely small aerosol particles carrying the coronavirus,” Aalto University Assistant Professor Ville Vuorinen said.

“These particles could then end up in the respiratory tract of others in the vicinity,” he added.

ussi Sane, chief specialist at the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare, stressed the importance of the preliminary results.

“The (institute) recommends that you stay at home if you are unwell and that you maintain physical distance with everyone. The instructions also include coughing into your sleeve or a tissue and taking care of good hand hygiene,” Sane said.

“Based on the modeling of the consortium, it is not yet possible to directly issue new recommendations. However, these results are an important part of the whole, and they should be compared with the data from real-life epidemic studies,” Sane added.

The 30 researchers – specializing in fluid dynamics, aerosol physics, social networks, ventilation, virology and biomedical engineering – used a supercomputer that modeled the airborne movement of aerosolized particles smaller than 20 micrometers – or .0007874 of an inch, according to the university.

“For a dry cough, which is a typical symptom of the current coronavirus, the particle size is typically less than 15 micrometers,” it said.

“Extremely small particles of this size do not sink on the floor, but instead, move along in the air currents or remain floating in the same place. Studies of influenza A have confirmed that the influenza A virus can be found in the smallest particles, which measure less than 5 micrometers.”

R26 Masks are for Fags!

I wore a mask to the grocery store yesterday, expecting lines outside waiting to get in due to the new capacity rules in my state. But hardly anyone was wearing one, and there didn't seem to be any rules enforced- just business as usual.

Actor Allen Garfield dies at 80 after getting coronavirus

New Jersey-born actor Allen Garfield — who played key roles in movies like “Nashville” and “Beverly Hills Cop II” — has died after getting coronavirus in a Hollywood retirement home.

He was 80.

After suffering a series of strokes, Garfield had been living at the Motion Picture Television Fund Home in Los Angeles, a retirement facility where several people have tested positive for the virus.

He died Tuesday due to complications from COVID-19, his sister, Lois Goorwitz, confirmed.

James Woods — who starred with Garfield in “Citizen Cohn” — remembered him as a “superb” talent.

“Allen and I were friends from our earliest days as actors,” he tweeted. “This is a heartbreaker.”

The author Don Winslow said he “literally never saw a performance by Allen Garfield that wasn’t terrific.”

“One of those not so well known actors that makes everything they are in better,” he said.

Born in Newark, Garfield covered sports by day for New Jersey’s Star-Ledger — while studying at night under Lee Strasberg at Manhattan’s famous Actor’s Studio.

He would become a supporting-player mainstay of some of the best films of the ‘70s, including “The Conversation,” “The Candidate,” “Nashville” and “The Front Page.”

He continued landing key supporting roles, including in “The Cotton Club” and as the furious police chief in 1987’s “Beverly Hills Cop II.”

Garfield then suffered several strokes, including one shortly before filming Roman Polanski’s “The Ninth Gate” in 1999, and one in 2004 that led to his residence at the Motion Picture Television Fund Home.

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 9 - 10:15 AM EST

🐥 NATIONAL CHICKEN LITTLE AWARENESS DAY

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,536,617

DEATHS: 89,907

CRITICAL: 48,493

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 435,289

DEATHS: 14,818

CRITICAL: NOT UPDATED @ 9279

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The worst mayor EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

De Blasio doesn’t regret telling New Yorkers to visit bars before coronavirus shutdown

Mayor Bill de Blasio said he has no regrets about telling New Yorkers to visit their local watering holes less than a day before restaurants and bars shut down to help contain the spread of the coronavirus.

“I look back to March 15, New York City had limited occupancy at restaurants but that was a time when we were seeing a big increase in a state like Washington, and you said to New Yorkers, ‘If you love your neighborhood bar go there now.’ I mean on reflection were comments like that a mistake?” asked NPR’s “Morning Edition” host David Greene in a live interview with the mayor Thursday.

“No because I said that literally about a day before they were all about to be shut down,” de Blasio answered.

At the time the city had 330 confirmed coronavirus cases and five deaths. Just four days later there were 2,468 cases and 22 deaths.

Researchers now believe the deadly disease was likely spreading in the city as early as February, weeks before the Big Apple’s first confirmed case.

De Blasio also waited until March 15 to close city schools after teachers threatened a boycott and Governor Andrew Cuomo negotiated a shutdown with unions.

The next day, de Blasio drove 11-miles from his official Gracie Mansion residence in Manhattan to Brooklyn’s Prospect Park YMCA for a workout — hours before the governor closed gyms statewide.

A YMCA source later told The Post fellow fitness enthusiasts were coughing and sneezing.

“It’s crazy that he made his staff and detail come with him to the gym and expose them like that,” the source said.

Despite de Blasio’s initial hesitancy to tell New Yorkers to stay home, he’s now warning that the city will be locked down for weeks to come.

“The crucial part now is getting people to hold because we’re going to have to do this for many many weeks, continue the social distancing continue the shelter-in-place,” he said on NPR.

Sweden reports 106 deaths today. Total number of death now sits at 793 which is double the number of death of all other Nordic countries combined. However, the epidemiologist in charge says Sweden already hits the plateau.

Dr. Fauci says Americans should never shake hands again due to coronavirus

R12 So far every race and ethnicity based theory about the virus has proven to be a crock of shit.

My last day at work I had a black co-worker who was telling anybody who'd listen that melanin protected black people from the virus and that's why the virus wasn't catching on in "darker" (his words) countries. He said black people are susceptible to sickle cell anemia because it's an adaptation that helps defend them from malaria and said this was the same kind of thing. Now who's the number one group affected?

Remember when we were all obsessing about B type blood two months ago?

Boris Johnson ‘sitting up in bed’ on 4th day battling coronavirus in ICU

Coronavirus-infected British Prime Minister Boris Johnson was “improving” and sitting up in bed as he began his fourth day in intensive care Thursday — but he could still be out of action for at least a month, according to reports.

“Things are getting better for him,” Culture Minister Oliver Dowden said. “He’s stable, improving, sat up and engaged with medical staff.”

The 55-year-old leader had revealed he had tested positive for COVID-19 on March 27, almost two weeks ago. After initially appearing upbeat — continuing to lead his government via video conferences — he was taken to London’s St Thomas’ Hospital on Sunday, needing oxygen and intensive care the following day.

Even with him appearing to be over the worst, Johnson could still be sidelined for a month, the Sun claims.

The paper notes medical advice that seriously ill patients get one week of recuperation for every day spent in an ICU — which would mean a month for the PM, more if he remains in the specialist ward longer.

“The prime minister will absolutely follow the advice of his medical team,” his spokesman told the paper.

Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab is currently running the government in Johnson’s absence.

WTVC NewsChannel 9 @newschannelnine · 20m BREAKING: Georgia pushes back elections for the second time in response to the coronavirus, postponing May primaries until June.

Watching The Crown, I had not realized there was so much opposition and suspicion attached to establishing a NHS. And here we are today applauding them. There may be flaws in any system, but having a national health system, is preferable to the shit mess we have now.

The Imbecile is such a small despicable POS. He has been reduced to playing politics with ventilators.... That's how he needs to be portray. Ridicule. He will go apeshit. Let's start making that a theme of posts on social media..

Black people can't get COVID-19, which is a bioweapon created in white labs to kill black people.

"Que Sera, Sera" ..............

I'm curious as to your age, OP. Are you longing for the days when life was simpler ?

😞 I am.

Since CNN cut off Pence and Trump they were told by Pence they can't have access to Fauci or Birx. Everyone should cut off Pence and Trump and just have their own experts.

Life was never simpler R43, just different.

Life was never simpler, R43. Were you thinking of the 60s and Vietnam? The 50s and the threat of nuclear war? The 40s and World War II? The 30s and.... It doesn't end. Life is never simpler.

I long for the Good Times. Which was last year. Although I never consider last year "The Good Times" until this year.

R17 my friend is married to a jew but he could be an anti-semite...he is german/austrian.

I doubt Sweden has plateaued

Politico:

Senate fails to approve new coronavirus relief after partisan stalemate

Is simple past tense a thing of the past?

Washington Post:

Trump preparing to unveil second coronavirus task force, officials say

NPR @NPR · 14m Dr. Anthony Fauci says social distancing and other restrictions have sharply reduced projections of the death toll in the U.S.

He says the final total currently "looks more like 60,000 than the 100,000 to 200,000" previously estimated.

Watching Mayor Pete on The View. Wish Biden would choose him for his VP running mate. His demeanor is calming, and he's smart and sensible. He's what America needs.

NPR @NPR · 6m Russia officials reported 1,459 new coronavirus cases in a single day, bringing the country's total to more than 10,000.

Vladimir Putin says he's extending a national "non-working week" until the end of the month.

CNN can't have access to Fauci or Birx? Wow, what a gigantic loss. Two more Dump sycophants who won't get free airtime to repeat the administrations lies. Big fucking loss.

CNN still broadcast portions of the presser last night live. I wish they wouldn't air it at all and instead just air tiny sound bites without the lies and constant praise for doing a horrible job.

Dump shouldn't get any free airtime for his rallies during this crisis. All they do is make sure the Orange clown will be reelected in November.

Fauci is not a Trump sycophant.

It became effective after last night R55. They told CNN you can have access to Fauci and Birx, but you have to also show Trump and Pence during the press conference.

I'm assuming that the "New Task Force" has the same vested financial interests as Herr Von Rump.

R56 Fauci stands next to Trump at these things grinning while Trump goes on about “hydroxy” being a GAME CHANGER. He’s sold out like everyone else in Trump’s orbit.

He is. Because Fauci stands on that podium every day and lets him lie and promote unproven drugs. Praises him for closing the "border to China" early (not true) and lets him walk all over him EVERY SINGLE DAY.

If Trump keeps on lying to the American people, he should refuse to appear at these briefings.

CNN:

Federal support to end for coronavirus testing sites

R41 I want National Healthcare, but not with Trump running things. That would be more disastrous than private.

Freed from the podium, Fauci does and says the exact opposite of carrying the Trump line.

The reality is, getting anything done requires working around that dangerous fool. Do you really think the majority of those people like licking the asshole of that imbecile?

The competent ones do it because they see a job that has to be done and part of getting it done and getting around that idiot is having to bend over. It’s nauseating, but necessary.

You want Trump or Kushner running around unfettered? You want the Kayleigh MacEnanys of the medical and science world taking the place of competent people taking one for the team?

[quote]Fauci stands next to Trump at these things grinning while Trump goes on about “hydroxy” being a GAME CHANGER. He’s sold out like everyone else in Trump’s orbit.

And yet he and Birx are being attacked by right-wing media and deplorables for being "liberal Democrats" who are trying to prolong this pandemic to hurt Trump.

PA Governor Wolf has announced that the school year is officially over.

R61, end? It barely started.

Fucking liars. Everyone who wants a test will get one. Sure. Where are those Target and CVS testing sites? If people vote for the lying dimwit, America deserves to it decline.

Sorry, but "working around" the Orange idiot is no longer an option. This has been going on for too long now. There HAVE to be consequences. If Trump continues to lie, refuse to appear alongside him. Otherwise you're complicit in this shit show.

R66.

CVS ramps up drive-through coronavirus testing sites with faster kits

(Reuters) - CVS Health Corp (CVS.N), called on by the Trump administration last month to help test Americans for infections from the new coronavirus, said it was launching two offsite testing locations with Abbott Laboratories’ (ABT.N) faster diagnostic kit and would be able to handle 1,000 tests per day.

Testing for COVID-19, the serious respiratory illness cased by the new coronavirus, has been held back by a lack of test kits and other equipment. While more than 300,000 people in America have tested positive for the new coronavirus, officials believe a shortage of kits has undercounted cases.

Testing, including at drive-through sites like these, is also seen as a key component for U.S. workers and restarting the economy as most states have ordered many non-essential businesses to close.

Executives from Walmart Inc(WMT.N), Walgreens Boots Alliance Inc WBA.N and Target Corp (TGT.N) also said in March as part of the government announcement that they would start this testing.

In recent weeks, CVS and Walgreens had said that they each had a pilot site running.

CVS’ two new drive-through COVID-19 testing sites in Georgia and Rhode Island will use the new Abbott tests, which can work in 15 minutes, and that up to four more locations to follow.

“We want to get some experience under our belt with these sites and understand exactly sort of what the volume looks like,” CVS Chief Medical Officer Troy Brennan said in an interview.

Brennan said the company expects to announce a third testing site in a different state on Tuesday and could launch up to three more sites afterward.

Brennan said it was changing the pilot model it had tested - a single-lane drive-through in the parking lot of one of its stores. The new testing sites will be located at Georgia Tech university and the other will be in the parking lot of a casino in Rhode Island.

CVS will supply personnel from its MinuteClinic unit to oversee the testing. The states will provide security and protective equipment.

We should all be able to get a test...like a pregnancy test.

Consequences for who?

He's working overtime to keep himself in the Oval office for another term.

Oooh, the Putinbots are out in force TODAY.

Again, R67, do you think people who refuse to appear alongside him will keep their jobs in that White House? And who do you think will take the roles they lose? You want Peter Navarro calling the shots, unfettered? Or Stephen Miller?

Cuomo just said he’s not confident in the federal response.

If businesses open anytime soon there will be a second wave of coronavirus more fatal than the first. I'm disgusted with Trump's yes men bending to his every whim.

Trump Continues Looking For 'Targets To Blame' | Morning Joe | MSNBC

Fed Chair Powell says U.S. economy deteriorating with alarming speed

Reuters:

U.S. coronavirus deaths top 15,000 -Reuters tally

Cuomo's briefing from this morning (Thursday Apr 9).

799 people in NY died yesterday. But hospitalizations, ICU admissions and intubations are way down.

Failed US Federal Response To COVID-19 Manifests As International Disaster | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC

People are still traveling to and from China

My rural (Trumplandia) town has no masks available, so most people are wearing bandanas out here. I mentally use the Handkerchief Code, and was amused at Safeway at all the piss play and fisting aficionados out here.

[quote] You want Trump or Kushner running around unfettered? You want the Kayleigh MacEnanys of the medical and science world taking the place of competent people taking one for the team?

R63, you have missed the point entirely. Fauci and Birx fetter NO ONE in this Administration. No one. It does not matter if they are there at the table or not. Trump and Kushner will do exactly what they want. Fauci and Birx can do nothing to stop them. And they will never try.

It would be better for for the nation for Kayleigh McEnany to make the medical updates than for Fauci and Birx to stand there and pull their punches, compromise the facts, and publicly speak in support of Fatso. Everyone would know that McEnany was unqualified and that her statements were all Fox News tailored talking points. No one would listen. And Fatso would have to take some heat for giving her that assignment. Birx and Fauci are not speaking their minds. Unfettered, to use your word. Therefore, they are worthless to us all in this time of crisis.

If they want to redeem themselves, they need to tell him off on live television, resign, and walk out. And going forward, they can offer their ACTUAL EXPERTISE in their own press conferences. Which, ideally, would be scheduled at exactly the same times as Fatso's press conferences. If they did that, they would have accomplished something. But they never ever will.

R32 - what state was that?

I'm in California and EVERYONE is wearing a mask. Sorry to sound like I'm gloating, but it's nice to be in a place where people took it seriously from the beginning and are (mostly) doing what they are supposed to do.

Coronavirus Freakout 34: Don’t F*#% with Bats

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 9 - 3:45 PM EST

🐥 NATIONAL CHICKEN LITTLE AWARENESS DAY !

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,584,980

DEATHS: 94,720

CRITICAL: 48,943

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 457,101

DEATHS: 16,256

CRITICAL: 9,813

✋ HONEST FACTS 4 HONEST FOLKS

I would say in SF about 3 out of 4 people out in stores are wearing masks. If you're not wearing masks I've noticed that people see you and move even further away from you. I've experienced that going to pick up single items like toilet paper at Walgreens and I'd forgotten my mask.

🦇Say What, r84 ?

'Yikes!' Amanpour reacts to Fox News montage about virus

CBS:

Fauci says we need to "redouble our efforts" at virus mitigation

New Virus Cases May Be Leveling Off On West Coast | Morning Joe | MSNBC

This obsession with a vaccine hinging all hope on it seems myopic. IIRC there’s never been a successful vaccine developed for any coronaviruses. And those studies showing 1/3 of people who have had it have such low levels of antibodies (with a proportion of that third having none detectable at all) that is seems a vaccine is a futile endeavour. People don’t seem to be retaining immunity to Rona. And reports of people being reinfected.

Is this being talked about? Or is all this obsessive vaccine mirage talk just so the public doesn’t absolutely fucking lose it with the realisation it’s not going away.

Amanpour really needs her hairstylist.

My cousin and his wife in NJ tested positive yesterday. They are young and otherwise healthy, I think they will be ok. She works in a nursing home and probably brought it home from there since there are Covid patients.

Also, we are pretty sure my 85 year old grandma has it. She has pain when breathing, sore throat, fever, cough and runny nose. She had a telehealth appointment with her dr who told her to stay home. Spoke to her this morning and she seemed in fairly good spirits.

Another cousin in California is sick and got tested today.

This is the point where lots of people you know will start getting it.

The Hill:

Trump officials lay groundwork for May reopening

It gives me a little hope that the news isn't solely about COVID-19 in the last day or so. My local news had a story about a couple robberies (not good news, I know), and Inside Edition had a segment on how Trump may pardon Joe Exotic.

I'm still taking all of this super seriously, but a slight change of pace during the news was nice.

There are glimmers of hope! The curve is flattening! New cases are down! The numbers are down! There's light at the end of the tunnel! Less need for respirators! Social distancing is working! (The gist of NPR's "Morning Edition" 9 Apr).

While I am heartened by the results of the CA response to the Coronavirus at R90, I hope people are not misconstruing “leveling off” with dodging a bullet.

We have postponed the hard slam of being infected all at once right up front, but that is all.

That’s a lot - but if we ease up on social distancing anytime soon, we will absolutely be slammed and our healthcare system overwhelmed., and all of our sacrifice will have been for nothing.

We have to be in this for the long haul, and the fact that CA seems to be outstanding in its approach compared to the rest of the nation is dismaying.

R91 I agree with your vaccine skepticism. I'd be happy if there was a reliable treatment that could be given at the first sign of symptoms. Create special one-stop Covid Clinics where you could go for a test, wait there for your results, and if positive, walk out the door with a bottle of whatever pills or get a shot. We could all get on with our lives.

[quote]Black people can't get COVID-19, which is a bioweapon created in white labs to kill black people.

You jest, but I stumbled onto a tweet last month in which there were hundreds of comments just like this, mostly written by Africans.

So far this virus is killing far more Democrats than Republicans in the US. The complete opposite of what liberals were claiming on here.

It's just getting started, Dee/R101.

[quote] So far....

You said it, R101.

A warning fom investing cube

Dow Jones index continued rallying as investors cheered the promising data from Europe. Several European countries, including Belgium and Italy have started deliberating on easing the strict lockdowns that have been there since last month. In addition, investors are pleased that the White House and congress are deliberating on a new round of stimulus that could be worth an additional $2 trillion. Hopes that a crude oil deal will be made is another reason for the current rally. Saudi Arabia and Russia are said to be inching closer to a deal while G20 ministers are said to meet on Friday to deliberate on these prices. All this increases the likelihood of a deal. (Still, as I wrote earlier today, this does not mean that oil prices will rise in the long term). Exxon Mobil and Chevron stocks rose by more than 2% in the premarket trading. All these are positive moves. However, investors and traders should not be complacent because risks remain. Indeed, the coming week will probably be the most important because it will mark the beginning of the earnings season. Big banks like Wells Fargo, JP Morgan, and Citi are expected to start releasing their numbers on Tuesday. Here’s another reason. The Dow tends to have its best days ahead of a major crash. For example, in the past financial crisis, the Dow Jones rose by 11.08% on August 13th. It then rose by 10.88% on 28th of the same month. The Dow then went ahead and fell to a low of $6530 in 2009. This was its lowest level during that crisis. Therefore, the current earnings season and the rising uncertainty about COVID-19 in the United States could see the index retrace its past steps.

[quote]The TSA screened 94,931 people on Wednesday, a drop of 96% from a year ago.

[quote]The nation last averaged fewer than 100,000 passengers a day in 1954 - the dawn of the jet age.

I'm amazed even that many people are still traveling. Where are they going?

I'm amazed even that many people are still traveling. Where are they going?

^ Seriously

I believe most people will end up getting it by the time a vaccine is fully developed, especially if we go back to any semblance of normal life. Hopefully your course won’t be more than a bad flu.

R109 Everyone will get it eventually, the key is to space it out so hospitals don’t get overwhelmed with big surges at one time.

Coronavirus traces found in Massachusetts wastewater at levels far higher than expected

Coronavirus was detected in Massachusetts sewage at higher levels than expected, suggesting there are many more undiagnosed patients than previously known, according to a new study.

Researchers from biotech startup Biobot Analytics collected samples from a wastewater facility for an unnamed metropolitan area in late March, according to a report Tuesday on medRxiv.

Eric Alm, one of the authors of the study, which has not yet been peer reviewed, stressed that the public is not at risk of contracting the virus from particles in the wastewater, but they may have the potential to indicate how widespread the virus has become, Newsweek reported.

“Even if those viral particles are no longer active or capable of infecting humans, they may still carry genetic material that can be detected using an approach called PCR (polymerase chain reaction,) which amplifies the genetic signal many orders of magnitude creating billions of copies of the genome for each starting virus,” Alm told the outlet.

The researchers, along with a team from Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Harvard, and Brigham and Women’s Hospital, analyzed the samples and found the number of coronavirus particles was on par with if there were 2,300 people infected with the virus.

But at the time of tests, there were only 446 confirmed cases in the region, according to the study.

“It was interesting that our estimation was definitely higher than the number of confirmed cases in the area,” said Mariana Matus, CEO and co-founder of Biobot, according to Stat News.

The researchers shared their findings with local health officials who said it was plausible there were hundreds of undetected cases.

“They could believe that [our] numbers could be correct and not out of the realm of possibility,” Matus told the outlet.

Like the thread title. Great movie and song. And very appropriate for the current situation

87-year-old NYC doctor who invented rubella vaccine joins coronavirus fight

The 87-year-old New York City doctor who played a pivotal role in the discovery of the rubella vaccine is now helping in the fight against coronavirus.

Dr. Stanley Plotkin — known as the “Godfather of Vaccines” — helped to eradicate rubella from the United States after his life-saving inoculation became available in 1969. Now, he is working with pharmaceutical companies to help stamp out COVID-19, according to CNBC.

The NYU alum — who has also worked on vaccines for anthrax, polio, rabies and rotavirus — said he’s optimistic about eradicating coronavirus too.

“I have considerable hope for a [coronavirus] vaccine, but people have to understand that it’s not something like in the movies where you can develop it overnight — that it’s safe and effective overnight,” he told the outlet.

Although he did say scientists today have more resources than they did when he was working to end rubella, also known as the German measles.

“One of the big differences is that today, which is 40 years later, we have many different ways of developing vaccines. Now there’s something like 40 different projects to develop vaccines, with about half a dozen being far advanced,” he said.

Today we have ways of using the nucleic acids — the DNA or the RNA — constructs of the virus. We can use proteins. We can use vectors.”

Plotkin, who is a pediatrician and vaccinologist, developed the vaccine against the rubella virus while working at Wistar Institute in Philadelphia in the 1960s, after a rubella pandemic swept across the United States and infected an estimated 12.5 million people, according to the CDC.

Rubella is a contagious viral disease with symptoms similar to the measles. It can cause serious birth defects in children, and can be fatal for both unborn babies and newborns, if a mother becomes infected while pregnant.

Rubella was eventually eliminated from the United States in 2004.

Up to 150 members of the Saudi royal family reportedly have coronavirus

I miss calling moviefone! 😰

We're in the situation we are now because government is run like a business, lean and mean. No emergency reserves, everything sourced by just-in-time supply chains. But we're told business has to run that way to be flexible and adapt to the changing market? So at a time when affordable, reliable protective gear for all would help us get back up and running again, where is it? Up Jared Kushner's tight ass.

Fauci will appear on CNN's New Day tomorrow. I guess CNN caved and will broadcast the whole shitshow live now.

Meanwhile the Orange cunt is bragging about his ratings again - Through the roof, people. The ratings are through the roof.

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r111, that greatly concerns me.

And now here's JT with a musical interlude.

Union of French general practitioners estimate that coronavirus cases could be around 1,5 million in France, according to a survey of 2000 doctors who declared 56000 coronavirus cases, including cases that were very probable clinically but couldn't get tested. When extrapolated to the 60000 doctors in France, that would make about 1,6 million cases.

That's a very rough estimate but it gives an idea about the true number of cases, and would be compatible with the official number of deaths with a fatality rate around 1%.

Couldn't find a translation in English.

R101 If that's what we're supposed to be concerned about, then perhaps we should only be tracking the number of deaths in swing states.

From the Washington Post-

Did Ohio get it right? Early intervention, preparation for pandemic may pay off.

[quote] Ohio may be realizing the benefits of early intervention in the pandemic by its government and medical community. With about 5,100 covid-19 cases, it has fewer than a third the number of people with the novel coronavirus in three comparably sized states — Michigan, Pennsylvania and Illinois. And Ohio has just a small fraction of the deaths reported in those states.

[quote] The Cleveland Clinic, which eventually beefed up plans to expand from 3,200 beds to 8,000 should the worst occur, held just 150 covid-19 patients (along with 2,000 others) this week and is preparing to scale back some facilities. It is moving to lend medical personnel to cities such as Detroit and New York hit hard by the virus.

[quote] “You’ve got to make these decisions early. Early means early,” (Governor) DeWine said in an interview this week. “Every day you wait, you create a bigger problem.”

MTA taking worker temperatures as coronavirus spreads

The MTA has begun taking temperatures of its frontline workers as the coronavirus continues to ravage the transit authority.

Crews with thermometers are being stationed at 22 work locations around the system to check workers’ temperatures, officials announced Thursday. Anyone carrying a fever above 100.4 degrees will be sent home, they said.

The “Temperature Brigade” program, as the MTA calls it, can test more than 2,000 workers each day — a small fraction of its roughly 50,000 frontline staff.

“One of the best ways to reduce the spread of COVID-19 is to ensure that people who are sick are staying home, out of the transit system and away from work,” said MTA Chief Safety Officer Patrick Warren in a statement.

“Our ‘temperature brigade’ helps reduce risk for everyone, and they are among the thousands of behind-the-scenes heroes at the MTA working hard to fight this formidable pandemic,” Warren added.

At least 41 MTA employees — primarily bus and subway workers — have died from the virus, while another estimated 1,500 people at the agency have tested positive for the virus. Thousands more have called out sick or are quarantining at home.

As the virus has spread through the transit authority — killing more than three dozen — workers sounded the alarm over a lack of access to personal safety gear, uncleaned working conditions and tightly packed communal crew areas.

One worker told The Post the temperature checks were too little, too late.

“There are unsafe conditions everywhere; taking a temperature is one thing, but stopping it from spreading is another,” said Seth Rosenberg, an MTA train operator.

“The steps they’re taking are all weeks too late when so many in New York City Transit have been exposed and a significant portion already infected.”

Hugh Jackman sends pizzas to his local NYPD precinct

Sure Wolverine “isn’t very nice” — but the guy who plays him sure is.

Actor High Jackman sent pizzas to a Manhattan police precinct on Thursday afternoon, supporting some of New York’s Finest during the coronavirus pandemic.

Along with five pies, the Australian actor attached a note reading “Thank you to the heroes 010 Chelsea’s NYPD, from the Jackmans,” signed by him and his wife Deborra-Lee Furness, according to a tweet by the precinct.

“A big Thank You to Hugh Jackman @RealHughJackman for delivering pizza to the 10 Precinct! We appreciate the support!” the account tweeted back, along with a picture of the note and three beaming officers flashing the pies.

More than 2,000 cops have tested positive for coronavirus, and 15 members of service have died. Thousands more are out sick, according to officials.

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Oh no. He lived.

So Fauci will be on New Day on CNN tomorrow but not on their weekly Town Hall tonight? Was that part of the agreement with Pence?

R91 There's more to the story. There were vaccines under development for SARS and MERS but since the containment and supportive therapies for those diseases were successful, the impetus for vaccines faded. Also the WHO did not push for continuation of efforts to develop vaccines for those diseases. Because of the past and recent efforts into development, it's actually easier now for scientists to pick up where they left off especially with what worked and what didn't. Case in point, for the SARS vaccine, scientists trialed conventional vaccines made with attenuated viruses. That didn't work because lab mice were actually getting infected with SARS from the DNA fragments, or they were developing secondary complications including liver failure. Technology now versus 15+ years ago is like night and day. The first SARS-CoV-2 vaccine to be trialed on human subjects began this past March using RNA vaccines and we should have preliminary result in another month or so.

Dr usually isn’t on the town hall. It’s usually Sanjay Gupta and Anderson Cooper.

[quote]R5 You can’t please everyone but you can at least try, unlike you know who. —OP

Doris Day would try to please everyone.

We need to draw on her optimism in this dreary time!

[quote]The outlook from this optimistic model doesn't look good for the UK. US estimated deaths around 60,000; UK estimated deaths 66,314!

Two things about this:

1. America is really spread out in comparison to European countries, so that might help contain the spread.

2. America is really spread out in comparison to European countries, so that might make it take a little longer than current projections would indicate, meaning that Europe flashed hot and fast while America is going to be a slow burn. It hasn't fully reached the more distant, lower populated areas yet but those areas are also filled with older people and don't have as many resources.

I don't believe these numbers.

Fauci has been on every one, R130. We can't link to CNN here, but if you do a video search on CNN you'll find each episode.

[quote]R16 How long do you think we will be wearing masks?

I hope Trump is reincarnated as a lab mouse, r129.

[quote]R33 Allen Garfield — who played key roles in movies like “Nashville” and “Beverly Hills Cop II” — has died after getting coronavirus

"... suggesting there are many more undiagnosed patients than previously known"

The world will be shocked when they find out how many people contracted it. Many with no symptoms; or just 'scratchy throat/cough'- thinking they just had a cold. Throughout Dec., Jan. and Feb.

Or me in late February, thinking I had food poisoning.

I just reconnected for the first time in years with an old friend in California, to see how she was doing in all this.

She said had every symptom except for pneumonia in late December. And that it was truly an awful experience.

Over the past month I’ve had a random cough, tightening of the chest, weird headaches in the front of my head, mild nausea a few times and on Monday a strange feeling of heaviness in my head/body. No fever at all, though. I’d sureclike to be able to take an antibodies test to confirm if I actually had it.

I really hope this little reminder of what life was like before we had vaccines for life-threatening illness is enough to make anti-vaxxers STFU for awhile.

I remember long ago Barbara Walters did an interview with Boy George and wanted to end the show with them singing QuevSera Sera in the Street. George did it but want too keen on the idea.

R118 clip is like something out of a horror movie.

Even though I work in Another state I feel safe having a Democratic governor. On Rachel I learned a Democratic governor issued a stay at home order but was overruled by a republican congress.

Trump Faces Dual Pressures As Coronavirus Hurtles Towards Its Apex | Deadline | MSNBC

The man has no humanity. He has only one choice.

Fauci Lowers U.S. Death Toll Projection to 60,000 | NBC Nightly News

Why Trump is pushing chloroquine

R146 The world is upside down. Never thought I'd see the left pushing paranoid conspiracy theories.

Trump needs an effective treatment to be found as a justification for re-opening the economy. Hydroxychloroquine is currently the most promising option for that. There was a small study done in France in February that made it seem useful.

He would have latched onto lavender essential oils if that was the only option.

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R147, that "study" wasn't really a study, and it's been strongly questioned, if not discredited. I agree that Trump has latched onto it because he wants to create a counter-narrative in which he is the hero and the economy will magically come back..

Howard Dean on Twitter:

Dr. Fauci had zero problems criticizing homophobia right in front of Mike Pence - Upworthy

R149 That's what I meant.

There doesnt need to be a conspiratorial backstory to this beyond the obvious- Trump needs a cure to justify his leadership and if there isn't a cure he'll still act like there is one. A secret cure!

In case anyone needs a refresher on this topic:

R147, it's the right pushing conspiracy theories. I bet you thought it was a hoax like Trump did.

How is it a conspiracy to say Trump is motivated by money?

[quote]Hydroxychloroquine is currently the most promising option for that. There was a small study done in France in February that made it seem useful.

I belong to a Facebook group for doctors to share information more or less in real time. There are about 150K people in it and it goes the full gamut of specialities. Even with the limitations of it being such a small study, there are major, major issues with their methodology. Among other things, they didn't include the people getting the Plaquenil who died or couldn't tolerate the medication in their final numbers.

And that's even before getting into the whole notion of regression to the mean.

R153 Yes, yes I get it. How dare I not believe. I must be stupid and evil. I'm the problem here.

R154 Because he's motivated by political expediency.

Why do we have to daydream up bullshit? Or pretend to believe in obvious bullshit?

The publisher of the "study" issued a statement saying that it should not have been published, due to the problems R155 cites.

r157, you have to be living in a dream world to believe he isn't a grifter motivated by money

According to the NY Times article about the stock ownership (which has been posted several times on several different threads), Trump was sold on HCQ by Giuliani. Giuliani preemptively claimed that he had not been paid to do this, which probably means he was. So it could be Trump's need to see himself as a savior combined with grifterism by people around him.

The CDC just told Trump to fuck off!

And, all the evil fucking clowns are lined up...

He’s just reaching his apotheosis as a snake oil salesman.

R160 Yeah, this chloroquine obsession is Rudy’s latest project. It’s what he’s been busy with since Hunter Biden and Ukraine has faded away. He’s in Trump’s ear and gets Trump all hyped up about it, just like with Hunter Biden.

[quote] Rudolph W. Giuliani, who was in the center of the impeachment storm earlier this year as an unpaid private attorney for President Trump, has cast himself in a new role: as personal science adviser to a president eager to find ways to short-circuit the coronavirus pandemic.

[quote]In one-on-one phone calls with Trump, Giuliani said, he has been touting the use of an anti-malarial drug combination that has shown some early promise in treating covid-19, the disease the novel coronavirus causes, but whose effectiveness has not yet been proved. He said he now spends his days on the phone with doctors, coronavirus patients and hospital executives promoting the treatment, which Trump has also publicly lauded.

[quote]“I discussed it with the president after he talked about it,” Giuliani said in an interview. “I told him what I had on the drugs.”

R134, I had odd GI problems for 3-4 days in mid-February. I had cramps off and on for 3-4 days but not for the entire time. It was like cramping when you have diarrhea but I never actually had to go. When I did have a shit, it was normal. I wished it was diarrhea because when you finally do--the cramps go away and you're...relieved. But this issue just hung around uncomfortably off and on for a few days. And it resolved on its own.

🐰I guess this means the Churches won't be filled on Easter Morning with healthy Americans, ready to report for work on the following day.

Plenty of red state churches will be packed by Deplorables owning the libs.

Charming Story, r165

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CASES: 1,603,719

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Laura Ingraham should be in jail for what she's doing on her stupid show

not only is she relentlessly pushing hydroxychloroquine but now she's saying "faulty models" are responsible for us having to social distance and is pushing for religious gatherings to be allowed I hope someone sues the hell out of that witch

Barr needs to be in jail too.

Trump should be in jail, too.

But he's not ............

It is shameful what happened to Geraldo Rivera I always considered him a good guy now he is a part of the horrible Fox News chorus spreading dangerous lies. In our culture we cancel out people who do terrible things. I wish they would have Fox News a target

the majority of the right wing media and repub politicians should be in jail

so studies are now saying coronavirus outbreak in NYC from ITALY

yet the right wingers want to bash Asians and Chinese in particular.

Italy got it from China, R174. It originated in China and spread from there.

I apologize if this has been posted in previous threads, but I don't recall seeing it:

Anit-vaxxers are going nuts on Facebook with conspiracy theories, there is no virus, it's all a plot to force mandatory vaccinations on everyone, etc...

R174 I'll believe asians are being targeted for this when I see proof. The Chinese government is trash and deserves all the criticism it gets.

#139, that sounds like pre-heart attack stuff- especially if you're a female. Get a check-up.

r177, you need to look harder. Asians are being targeted for hate crimes. Trump is trash and deserves all the criticism he gets.

They should have no problem with someone else getting their, their hubster, little McKinLeighBelle and Jaxon Oliver's dose of the the vaccine that will keep them from dying, then, R176.

R175 yeah we all know that. The point is you didn't see right wingers going hard at Italy and Italians and Italian Americans like they've done with Asians

R181, it’s because Italians are victims. China is the enemy.

R141 here it is

It's because the Chinks have slanty eyes and Italians are white people

R178, put an R before the reply number, not a pound sign. When you use the R people can tell who you're replying to. # is useless.

Sure, China’s “the enemy.” Everyone seems to forget that our stupid financial engineering and subprime lending scams tanked the world’s economy in 2008. Nobody punished us, we didn’t learn our lesson, and we will probably do in again in another five or ten years.

After the dog and pony show predeeding the much hyped opening of Al Capone's vault, I can't ever take Geraldo Rivera seriously.

Bit of a diversion- Scottish sportscaster on lockdown does play-by-play of his two labs.

Italy fails to detect and contain the first outbreak. But it might be just that Italy had a bad luck and it is unfortunate that, unlike Iran, a lot of people from around the world travel to and from Italy.

CNN @CNN · 12m Microsoft is giving its workers an additional three months of paid parental leave to deal with extended school closures due to the coronavirus outbreak

TIME @TIME · 12m Watch: Drone footage released by Catalan regional police shows life on the streets of central Barcelona has all but ground to a halt amid Spain’s coronavirus lockdown

Reuters @Reuters · 34m Once the biggest outbreak outside of China, South Korean city reports zero new coronavirus cases

SEOUL (Reuters) - The South Korean city of Daegu, which endured the first large coronavirus outbreak outside of China, on Friday reported zero new cases for the first time since late February, as new infections across the country dropped to record lows.

With at least 6,807 confirmed cases, Daegu accounts for more than half of all South Korea’s 10,450 infections.

South Korea on Friday reported 27 new cases as of the night before, a new low since daily cases peaked at more than 900 in late February, according to the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC).

The death toll also rose by four to 208, the KCDC said.

Hong Kong’s Edge Over Singapore Shows Early Social Distancing Works

In the early stages of the coronavirus pandemic, Singapore and Hong Kong saw similar success with dramatically different approaches. Now, Singapore may be paying the price for a strategy that sought to minimize disruption.

While Hong Kong has recently seen its case tally slow to a couple dozen a day, Singapore’s has surged 180% in the past two weeks with infections popping up in places from pre-schools to migrant worker dormitories. The city-state disclosed a record 287 cases on Thursday, bringing the total to 1,910, more than double Hong Kong’s count.

After taking a more measured virus-control approach for months, Singapore resorted to some of Hong Kong’s drastic early moves, including school closures and encouraging mask-wearing for all. Now it’s gone even further, banning all social gatherings and closing all businesses except essential services.

It amounts to an abrupt reversal of fortunes for Asia’s premier financial centers, which have long competed for workers and capital. Weakened by months of protests and a recession, Hong Kong’s government initially came under fire for inconsistent messaging in tackling the virus challenge. The demonstrations against China’s grip over the city, which made everyday life in Hong Kong increasingly difficult, prompted global companies to weigh relocating resources to Singapore.

But Hong Kong’s tough early measures to control the virus, colored by its experience 17 years ago with severe acute respiratory syndrome known as SARS, are paying off.

“Hong Kong chose in the very beginning to move toward maximizing protection, but Singapore seemed to be more cautious and focused on minimizing disruption to the economy and society,” said Yanzhong Huang, a professor and director of the Center for Global Health Studies at New Jersey’s Seton Hall University.

“The second wave of resurgent cases in Singapore has highlighted the differences between the two in terms of their approaches to the outbreak -- and even the slightest difference in approach could matter in explaining the different outcomes,” he said.

Singapore’s government has defended its approach. Lawrence Wong, minister for national development who co-chairs a task force to fight the virus, said at a briefing last week that its policies were a “judgment call” and that residents can become fatigued if social distancing is implemented for too long.

“If we had put in place all the measures that we’re talking about now much earlier, we may very well still be in the same situation today,” he said.

The diverging outcomes in Hong Kong and Singapore -- which are still handling the virus far better than many other advanced economies -- show how early and strict social distancing measures may be more beneficial to the economy over the long term. In Europe and the U.S., politicians are now mulling lifting lockdowns to revive their economies, even as health experts caution against relaxing too soon.

Hong Kong and Singapore are both wealthy jurisdictions with sophisticated health-care systems and longstanding experience dealing with infectious diseases. In the current crisis, the two cities successfully met a first wave of infections originating in China through a mix of flight and travel restrictions and generous testing protocols, as well as the strict contact tracing and quarantining of infected citizens.

The key difference was Hong Kong’s social-distancing measures implemented in late January and early February, which included closing schools and government offices -- a move that pressured many private sector companies to similarly work from home.

The early panic that enveloped the city’s population, already on edge from months of pro-democracy protests, went viral in pictures of empty supermarket shelves and supply-hoarding, most notably of toilet paper. Residents scarred by SARS largely chose to wear masks in public spaces.

Singapore took a different approach, leaving schools and government offices open. Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong advised that healthy people don’t need to wear masks, in part because it could give a false sense of security while precautions such as washing hands regularly are more effective.

ven as the pandemic raced around the world in March, the Singaporean population largely seemed unperturbed. Infections ticked up steadily, before surging into a full-blown second wave on March 19. On Thursday, Singapore reported its highest ever daily tally with 287 cases; Hong Kong reported 13.

Singapore U-Turns on Wearing Masks as Local Virus Cases Climb

Hong Kong, which has only four Covid-19 related deaths, hasn’t seen a fatality since mid-March. Singapore has seen three deaths in April.

The Singapore government is calling its new lockdown measures a “circuit breaker” designed to halt transmission, but they also represented a series of U-turns. The government closed schools -- the education minister said Singapore was “correct” not to shut them earlier -- and planned to give every household reusable masks. “Hong Kong closed schools much earlier, and also Hong Kong people were wearing masks very early on -- these are the two big differences,” said Jeremy Lim, an adjunct associate professor at the National University of Singapore’s Saw Swee Hock School of Public Health, who previously worked for the city-state’s health ministry.

“Singapore should have been much stronger with the social distancing requirements,” he added. “We really should have started earlier.”

Even after the government’s change of stance, many Singaporeans appeared less cautious about spending time in crowded public areas than their Hong Kong counterparts: Last weekend, ahead of the lockdown, thousands of people thronged Ikea while restaurants were packed for one last hurrah. Since the lockdown began on Tuesday, Singapore has issued more than 10,000 warnings to rule-breakers.

Singapore is also facing two additional challenges that Hong Kong may be able to avoid.

A worrying outbreak among foreign workers housed in cramped dormitories in Singapore could be a ticking time bomb, and its geographic position near sprawling Southeast Asian nations whose outbreaks are also worsening puts it at greater risk of future imported cases.

Hong Kong shares a border only with mainland China, which has wrestled its epidemic under control through draconian measures, said Piotr Chlebicki, infectious disease specialist at Mount Alvernia Hospital Singapore.

“In the end, Hong Kong will probably have an upper hand,” he said. “Singapore faces a higher risk of importation and reintroduction of virus cases.”

In the early days of the outbreak, this calm approach by Singapore’s leaders won global praise. But the guidance to limit mask-wearing -- then in line with what the World Health Organization suggested -- has since been reconsidered given how infected people with no outward signs of illness can still spread the virus. Singapore now advises that wearing a reusable mask could provide some basic protection.

R191 Also spooky to see drone footage of an empty and deserted Vegas Strip. No people, no traffic. Fountains stilled. It’s like scenes from a sci fi movie of life after the Apocalypse.

Oh look, it's the world's richest man checking up on his workers...

He is fucking tone deaf R196.

Some doctors are wondering if ventilators are being overused for Covid-19

[quote] Even as hospitals and governors raise the alarm about a shortage of ventilators, some critical care physicians are questioning the widespread use of the breathing machines for Covid-19 patients, saying that large numbers of patients could instead be treated with less intensive respiratory support. If the iconoclasts are right, putting coronavirus patients on ventilators could be of little benefit to many and even harmful to some.

[quote] What’s driving this reassessment is a baffling observation about Covid-19: Many patients have blood oxygen levels so low they should be dead. But they’re not gasping for air, their hearts aren’t racing, and their brains show no signs of blinking off from lack of oxygen.

[quote] That is making critical care physicians suspect that blood levels of oxygen, which for decades have driven decisions about breathing support for patients with pneumonia and acute respiratory distress, might be misleading them about how to care for those with Covid-19. In particular, more and more are concerned about the use of intubation and mechanical ventilators. They argue that more patients could receive simpler, noninvasive respiratory support, such as the breathing masks used in sleep apnea, at least to start with and maybe for the duration of the illness.

[quote] In a letter last week in the American Journal of Respiratory and Critical Care Medicine, researchers in Germany and Italy said their Covid-19 patients were unlike any others with acute respiratory distress. Their lungs are relatively elastic (“compliant”), a sign of health “in sharp contrast to expectations for severe ARDS.” Their low blood oxygen might result from things that ventilators don’t fix. Such patients need “the lowest possible [air pressure] and gentle ventilation,” they said, arguing against increasing the pressure even if blood oxygen levels remain low. “We need to be patient.”

[quote] “We need to ask, are we using ventilators in a way that makes sense for other diseases but not for this one?” Gillick said. “Instead of asking how do we ration a scarce resource, we should be asking how do we best treat this disease?”

more at link

[quote]Singapore seemed to be more cautious and focused on minimizing disruption to the economy and society

This was South Korea’s approach too, with more success. They were able to avoid draconian lockdowns and used early and widespread testing and relentless contact tracing and quarantines to control the epidemic without shutting their economy down.

It's 100% legit to exclude patients who dropped out of the study due to intolerance of HCQ, because they weren't supposed to have been allowed into the study in the first place due to meeting its exclusion criteria. They were allowed to take the meds anyway because they begged to join, and were allowed to try the drug anyway as an act of mercy, but were subsequently excluded from the analysis.

Basically, they became an informal last-minute sub-study to determine just how warranted the original exclusion criteria actually WERE. It turns out, the criteria for exclusion WERE valid, and they confirmed it.

Not every med is right for everyone. If the people who can't/shouldn't take it can be identified in advance, it's totally legit to ignore them when testing the safety and efficacy of a drug. We do it ALL THE TIME with pregnant women, for example. There are meds like thalidomide that are no big deal for a man, but would NEVER be given to a pregnant woman.

I forgot the name, but there's a popular HIV med that's like that. Before someone can take it, they have to do a specific test to make sure the person isn't in the exclusion group, because otherwise they'd have their skin delaminate, or something horrific like that.

Thank you r183 for posting that link.

Contrarian opinion, especially since I was one of the posters on the first FREAKOUT thread- what if containment, by washing hands, wearing masks in public for a while, limited contact outside your clique, especially for at risk people- is better than shutting down everything indefinitely?

Contact tracing is trivial. If someone becomes ill, everyone they were within 3M of would be tracked and contacted.

If the death rate is 0.1% for all age groups, with older and more vulnerable groups at higher risk...isn’t that similar to influenza mortality?

One should never wish a person dead, injured in a hurtful but non-serious way yes, not but dead. But damn that Jeff Bezos triggers something in me that brings me right up to the cusp of wishing him serious injury. Fucking piece of greedy trash cannot repay his workers fast enough for the shit wages and benefits they endure.

R177 is a Deplorable who can't process the fact that 2 ideas can exist simultaneously. China is fucking evil and gross while Asians/ Asian-Americans are targeted for discrimination or hate crimes.

No, it's not just like the flu

R205

Until we definitively know the number of cases, evidence points to a much lower fatality rate.

60,000 people is .02%fatality rate.

6 MILLION is 2%, and that would be scary.

600,000 would be concerning.

60,000 is a statistical error.

[quote]R285 When you use the R, people can tell who you're replying to. # is useless.

Your BUTT is useless!

A statistical error? You freepers didn't say that when a couple thousand people died on Sept. 11th

Looking forward to cheaper Vegas

Please link your "evidence" sources, R206.

R206, are you an idiot or do you have and agenda? We're up to 95 000 deaths in the world and we are no where near the peak.

R211 and this is just what's being reported. For sure, the real death count is much, much higher. Not just in China and Iran, everywhere. As mentioned earlier, many countries are only counting deaths in hospitals, others are behind on their reporting, some do not have the resources to properly execute the tests. Unfortunately, we will only know the approximate figure years later after careful analysis and research, like with the swine flu

BBC-New York state has now recorded more infections than any country - including the hardest-hit European countries, Italy and Spain. Almost 160,000 people in New York have tested positive with the virus, compared to 153,000 in Spain and 143,000 in Italy.

Big update for Belgium. +496 deaths (325 in Hospitals + 171 in nursing homes who died between 18-31 March and were not properly recorded). 3019 deaths in total. +1684 new cases

The Steak-Umm twitter continues to be the president we need.

[quote]just gonna come out and say it: vulnerable people are always the most susceptible to propaganda, misinformation, and conspiracy, especially in times of cultural anxiety, and if there is a way to help them out of these traps, targeted self-righteous vilification isn’t it

R136, I remember Allen Garfield as Our Barbra’s sleazy potential John in The Owl and the Pussycat.

RIP

The morning headline in my local news is a story about a Trumptard who survived COVID by taking HCQ she already had at home (or so she thinks it's use caused her to survive, there is no corroboration from her physician). That'll be the latest conspiracy these nuts tout when they start dying off in larger numbers, that the deaths are not from the virus but because their "libtard" doctor wouldn't give them HCQ.

Go libtard doctors!

How many people have committed suicide since lockdowns started? Friend said an Italian girl he knew killed herself and there's been a lot of guys who are killing their wives and girlfriends.

"others are behind on their reporting, some do not have the resources to properly execute the tests."

An article stated that not even the numbers in the US are reliable. People die at home etc. and the coroners currently don't get any tests to determine the cause of death. They were all told they need the tests for the living and not for the dead. So thousands of people die outside of hospitals every day and we have no idea if the died of the coronavirus bc no one every tested them. So if your Orange king is bragging about "only 100.000 people died" when this is over, we can probably add a couple thousands bc they were never tested. This adminatration is criminal.

[QUOTE] there's been a lot of guys who are killing their wives and girlfriends.

That sounds crazy!

This virus is killing liberals by the thousands. It's not affecting Red States much.

R222, I think that’s exactly why Trump is not acting. He sees this as an advantage for him. Sociopath.

R217 Why the hell would she have HCQ at home already? I call bullshit.

R222 Mostly just the greater NYC area. Cuomo made a couple of comments yesterday that indicate he thinks NYC may have been targeted.

R224, the article doesn't state. However, it is not uncommon for bible thumpers to receive the medication for mission trips to malarial countries. Wouldn't doubt this is what happened here and she never threw her supply away after her trip.

Some people are prescribed it for fibromylagia.

God help me, we booked a cruise for December. It was cheap, and we (read: I) need something to look forward too. And if things continue to go tits up, there is still plenty of time to cancel.

Mayor Lightfoot's official Instagram has no time for your shit.

And here's our Lynda.

R228 is the dumbest cunt who ever cunted...

can I have all your stuff and your partner's stuff?

Please get all your affairs in order before you leave.

WHO head cries racism to cover for his enabling of China’s lies about coronavirus

In answer to global complaints that he helped China lie about the coronavirus threat in the crucial early days of the pandemic, the World Health Organization’s top dog has opted to play the race card.

That’s right: WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus is complaining that Taiwan is fostering supposedly racist attacks against him, and even death threats.

But he can’t even offer details beyond saying he’s been called names, “black or negro.”

In reality, the whole world has legitimate gripes about TAG’s blatant and loathsome loyalty to Beijing — apparent payback for China’s role in installing him as WHO’s boss.

All through January, Tedros and his minions vouched for Chinese authorities’ lies about the coronavirus, misleading other nations’ health authorities into underestimating the threat.

Taiwan has an added complaint, for being not just excluded from WHO membership but utterly stonewalled by the supposedly nonpolitical organization even during the coronavirus crisis. And Taiwan, for its part, denies a “racist” smear campaign.

As Taiwan’s President Tsai Ing-wen put it on Facebook: “If Director-General Tedros could withstand pressure from China and come to Taiwan to see Taiwan’s efforts to fight COVID-19 for himself, he would be able to see that the Taiwanese people are the true victims of unfair treatment.” And: “I believe that the WHO will only truly be complete if Taiwan is included.”

Once the crisis is over, the civilized world needs to put a priority on cleaning the WHO house — starting at the top.

Sanofi donating 100 million doses of hydroxychloroquine to 50 countries

French pharmaceutical giant Sanofi has committed to donating 100 million doses of the decades-old anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine — a potential but unproven weapon against COVID-19 — to 50 countries across the world.

The company has already doubled its production capacity of the drug across its eight hydroxychloroquine manufacturing sites worldwide and is on track to quadruple it by summer, the company said in a Friday statement.

Sanofi said its priority is “to ensure supply continuity” for patients who use the medication for its currently approved purposes‚ including lupus and rheumatoid arthritis treatment — “while working hard to supply governments wishing to increase stocks in the hope that it may be an effective treatment of COVID-19,” the statement said.

“The COVID-19 pandemic is an unprecedented health and economic crisis which is shaking some of the very fundamentals of international solidarity and cooperation among countries,” Sanofi CEO Paul Hudson said in the statement. “This virus does not care about the concept of borders, so we shouldn’t either.”

“It is critical that international authorities, local governments, manufacturers, and all the other players involved in the hydroxychloroquine chain work together in a coordinated manner to ensure all patients who may benefit from this potential treatment can access it,” he added. “If the trials prove positive, we hope our donation will play a critical role for patients.”

President Donald Trump has touted the drug as a potential life-saver, and Gov. Andrew Cuomo has agreed to provide it to thousands of seriously ill patients in New York hospitals in combination with Zithromax.

But critics say the drug could pose potentially lethal risks to those susceptible to heart conditions.

They also say the promotion of the drug could lead to a shortage of the medication for those who normally use it for other illnesses.

CNN International @cnni · 5m A 99-year-old World War II veteran who survived the coronavirus has been given a guard of honor by nurses as he was discharged from hospital.

Piers Morgan @piersmorgan · 16m BREAKING: * UK #coronavirus death toll spikes sharply again to new high of 953 recorded in past 24hrs. * Total nears 9,000. Just horrifying statistics.

I don't see how a war with China over this isn't inevitable.

The countries that support and stabilize the UN (the U.S., E.U. member states, Japan, South Korea) are publicly airing dissolving or dramatically restructuring the W.H.O., and limiting China's involvement in other international organizations.

China appears to be making weak attempts to shift blame for the pandemic on the U.S., which is a bad sign for them dealing with its ramifications in a non-violent way.

I remember on the original Coronavirus threads it was being reported that Xi's family were preparing to flee China if the government collapsed. That was the first week of February. The CCP is unstable and is being backed into a corner.

[quote] I don't see how a war with China over this isn't inevitable

Ok Svutlana

[quote][R228] is the dumbest cunt who ever cunted...

Mayhap I am, and mayhap I ain't.

But having a thing to look forward to, even if it's foolhardy, is getting me through.

CNN @CNN · 10m Smoking marijuana, even occasionally, can increase your risk for more severe complications from Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus.

The Straits Times @STcom · 15m Coronavirus: 198 new cases of infection on Friday, seventh death reported; 2,108 cases now (in singapore)

I would love for Russia and China to go to war. It would rid us of two asshole shitholes!

DiBlasio really needs to get cops to get tougher in sweeping out the fucking homeless from the subway. 41 dead subway workers isn’t a coincidence.

Please god cruise lines will be OVAH when this thing runs its course.

Newsflash: engaging in activities that damage your lungs makes you more susceptible to a disease that attacks your lungs.

Coal miners beware!

He just wished everyone HAPPY GOOD FRIDAY! on Twitter. JFC

Who?

Apparently JFC r246.

Well it might be considered a happy Holy Day if you are a minion of Satan.

What church do y’all think Rachel Maddow and Susan attend?

I hate cruises, but I can’t judge VOTN because when this is all over I am going to Disney World.

[quote] DiBlasio really needs to get cops to get tougher in sweeping out the fucking homeless from the subway.

And put them in your apartment, R242.

[quote]I hate cruises, but I can’t judge VOTN because when this is all over I am going to Disney World.

I might do that as well. Just solo, since my husband hates Disney.

Want some company, ElderLez?

Well, you are supposed to be miserable on Good Friday. So I guess this is a good one.

r248 - Elderlez, when this is all over I am going...outside.

My wife also hates Disney World so I might take you up on that.

Two old queers having escaped Covid-19 take their chances on Mr. Toad's Wild Ride.

Take you up on that VOTN.

Cruise lines won't go away, but I think cruises will get a lot more expensive, with more focus on luxury than packing people into ships like sardines. You'll see big ships reconfigured internally to make outer cabins larger (or share one former outer cabin+balcony among 3-5 inner cabins, themselves probably enlarged).

Long cruises might also require pre-quarrantines of 2-3 days before departure with blood tests & extreme tracking and contact-tracing during those days, with no port stops prior to the ship's "long haul" stretch, and a Jones Act change to permit one-way transportation (so once passengers start doing port calls, they'll never be at sea longer than a day or two & can abort at any time to a chartered flight to the ship's origin or destination if a flare-up emerges & they want to leave early.

I do think the days of cheap cruises are over. They'll strictly be luxury from now on, because they'll have to price cruises to account for more expensive contingencies.

You're going to see intense lobbying to abolish the Jones Act & allow "domestic" cruises with newly American-flagged (but foreign-made) ships with American crews. The American-built requirement is really the main reason why cruise lines went all-foreign, because it's simply impossible to meet anyway. There's no shipyard in America capable of building huge cruise ships in a timely manner... their capacity is booked by the Navy for the next 25 years, and even IF cost were no object, it would taks 7-12 years before the first cruise ship could be ready.

If foreign-built ships were allowed & the requirement dropped that cruises either return to the departure port after visiting a foreign country, or end at a "distant" foreign port, you'd see cruise lines like Royal Caribbean & NCL jump into things like New York-Florida cruises, and LA/SF/Seattle to Hawaii/Mexico/Alaska/Vancouver.

They'd allow you to cruise NY to Miami, spend a week in Florida, then cruise back to NY on the same ship (after it made a round trip returning & bringing the next batch of passengers). They'd also run a lot of cruises between Florida & Puerto Rico with a day in Havana... possibly, running enough ships along the route to allow Florida-Havana, 2-3 nights in Havana, then either continuing to San Juan on the next ship, or returning to Florida (by ship, or just flying).

The Jones Act is the reason cruises currently have such wacky itineraries & routes, like the 6-hour "port stop" at a rocky island en route to Hawaii (the mandatory "foreign port"), and why they go to such extreme lengths to be useless as a transportation mode.

Regardless, their previous business model is permanently fried. The US can bring back US crews & flagged ships, but only if it abolishes the "American-BUILT" requirement of the Jones Act. Or at least, allowed newly-US-repatriated cruise lines to grandfather in existing ships with a 15-20 year grace period before US-built ships were required.

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 10 - 11:00 AM EST

✝️ GOOD FRIDAY

🙊 NATIONAL DAY OF SILENCE

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES,: 1,632,162

DEATHS: 97,582

CRITICAL: 49,416

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 475,224

DEATHS: 17,055

CRITICAL: 10,182

🤚IN VINO VERITAS

[quote] It's not affecting Red States much.

Louisiana is not a red state?? Michigan?

🚢 When I hear the word "cruise" I think [italic]"Cold Day In Hell."

R258 Just another iteration of the "my group can't get it- you dirty group will!" conceits that are ALWAYS wrong.

"It's not affecting this state much, It's not affecting that state much."

Hey, it ain't over 'til it's over.

South Korea: 91 'recovered' patients test positive again In what could be a further blow to hopes of an end to the Covid-19 pandemic, officials in South Korea on Friday reported 91 patients thought cleared of the coronavirus had tested positive again.

The prospect of people being re-infected with the virus is of international concern, as many countries are hoping that infected populations will develop sufficient immunity to prevent a resurgence of the pandemic.

Jeong Eun-kyeong, director of the Korea Centres for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC), told a briefing that the virus may have been “reactivated” rather than the patients being re-infected.

False test results could also be at fault, other experts said, or remnants of the virus could still be in patients’ systems but not be infectious or of danger to the host or others.

“There are different interpretations and many variables,” said Jung Ki-suck, professor of pulmonary medicine at Hallym University Sacred Heart Hospital.

Nearly 7,000 South Koreans have been reported as recovered from COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus.

“The number will only increase, 91 is just the beginning now,” said Kim Woo-joo, professor of infectious diseases at Korea University Guro Hospital. He said it was likely that the patients had “relapsed” rather than been infected a second time.

R262: Oh no! If true, that's really bad and China is lying about pandemic ending there (of course)!

Gov Cuomo is saying he is not reopening NY because Hong Kong, Singapore and Italy experienced a new wave of infections/2nd wave when they reopened.

Damm when will we start listening to Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore?

Slow as molasses, weak as water!

Fuck China! Fuck the WHO! Fuck the CDC, Fuck Trump and Kushner and the ass licking GOP

Fuck fuck fuck fuck

China, and Trump must pay for this! How can the people continue to be so fucking stupid?’ NPR too, is just propaganda central

980 deaths in UK according to official numbers from the government. Expect drops in the coming days because of the long weekend and reporting delays and then a jump on Wednesday to +1000. The UK is fucked.

BBC-Matt Hancock says the number of deaths across the UK of people in hospital who tested positive for coronavirus has now reached 8,958 - a 980 increase on yesterday. "We never forget behind this number, behind each one is a name, a loss and a family which will never be the same again." He also repeats the news Boris Johnson's condition is improving, and praises the care he has got from the NHS. He says 19,116 tests have been carried out across Great Britain, with 5,706 testing positive.

Of course DL was on this way back when.... too bad we aren’t the ones running shit. 😐

The coronavirus may be “reactivating” in people who have been cured of the illness, according to Korea’s Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

About 51 patients classed as having been cured in South Korea have tested positive again, the CDC said in a briefing on Monday. Rather than being infected again, the virus may have been reactivated in these people, given they tested positive again shortly after being released from quarantine, said Jeong Eun-kyeong, director-general of the Korean CDC. Fear of re-infection in recovered patients is also growing in China, where the virus first emerged last December, after reports that some tested positive again -- and even died from the disease -- after supposedly recovering and leaving hospital. There’s little understanding of why this happens, although some believe that the problem may lie in inconsistencies in test results.

More than 100,000 deaths according to Worldometer

USA Today:

Surgeon General Jerome Adams says 'most of the country' will not be able to open by May 1

Just the Trump golf resorts?

Are people really this stupid? A 21-year old Canadian woman decided to stay in Wuhan, China as the lockdown began because she wasn’t allowed to take her cat on the evacuation flight. Now she might not even get back into Canada before her visa expires. Staying in an enforced lockdown zone in a foreign country because a cat - who doesn’t even give a shit if you’re dead or alive - can’t come with you ....

Daily News:

'Testing, testing, testing’: Cuomo asks feds to help New Yorkers return to work; 777 coronavirus deaths in NYS as pandemic hits ‘plateau’

yes but some in Korea are testing positive again after "recovering"...so how would that work R273?

r272, that's an ABSOLUTELY legitimate reason to stay. Her cat is her child, and quite probably the love of her life. Most cat owners would fight to the death to protect their feline companions.

What Drives Trump Administration's Stance On Re-Opening Economy | Morning Joe | MSNBC

And I say, "Let them!"

[quote]Most cat owners would fight to the death to protect their feline companions.

I'd leave that bitch in a nanosecond.

He should be tarred and feathered. Same for Trump

BBC-Brazil’s far-right president Jair Bolsonaro, a vociferous critic of social isolation who has dismissed coronavirus as “a little flu”, was booed and jeered by people in the capital Brasília after he went to a bakery for a donut on Thursday night, writes Dom Phillips in Rio de Janeiro. “Go home!” people shouted from nearby apartment buildings, and “Bolsonaro out!”

It's ludicrous for Trump to state that the country will be up and running again, beginning in May, when he knows that this will never happen without major ramifications, including an increase in cases and deaths.

Don't any of his staff of advisors, or his Corona Team of SuperSpecialists have a single set of balls between them?

This just in: Laura Ingraham is evil

Laura Ingraham is what in the south you call a “Daddy Fucker Incest Survivor”.

You may call her that, r282. I call her a grown-up Rhoda Penmark.

Tensions halt temporary hospital plans at New York cathedral. The cathedral said the group it was partnering with had anti-LGBTQ beliefs:

Jerry Falwell Jr. Tries To Have Journalists Arrested By His Campus Police

Trump Lauds Testing Efforts, But Under 1% Of The U.S. Has Been Checked | The 11th Hour | MSNBC

Japan to pay firms to leave China, relocate production elsewhere as part of coronavirus stimulus

Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe speaks at a press conference on April 7, 2020. Photo: ZUMA Wire/dpaJapan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe speaks at a press conference on April 7, 2020. Photo: ZUMA Wire/dpa Japan’s Prime Minister Shinzo Abe speaks at a press conference on April 7, 2020. Photo: ZUMA Wire/dpa Japan has earmarked US$2.2 billion of its record economic stimulus package to help its manufacturers shift production out of China , as the coronavirus disrupts supply chains between the major trading partners. The extra budget, compiled to try to offset the devastating effects of the pandemic, includes 220 billion yen (US$2 billion) for companies shifting production back to Japan and 23.5 billion yen for those seeking to move production to other countries, according to details of the plan posted online.

The move coincides with what should have been a celebration of friendlier ties between the two countries.

Chinese President Xi Jinping was supposed to be on a state visit to Japan early this month. But what would have been the first visit of its sort in a decade was postponed a month ago amid the spread of the novel coronavirus and no new date has been set.

China is Japan’s biggest trading partner under normal circumstances, but imports from China slumped by almost half in February as the disease closed factories, in turn starving Japanese manufacturers of necessary components.

That has renewed talk of Japanese firms reducing their reliance on China as a manufacturing base. The government’s panel on future investment last month discussed the need for manufacturing of high-added value products to be shifted back to Japan, and for production of other goods to be diversified across Southeast Asia

“There will be something of a shift,” said Shinichi Seki, an economist at the Japan Research Institute, adding that some Japanese companies manufacturing goods in China for export were already considering moving out. “Having this in the budget will definitely provide an impetus.”

Companies, such as car makers, that are manufacturing for the Chinese domestic market, will likely stay put, he said.

Japan exports a far larger share of parts and partially finished goods to China than other major industrial nations, according to data compiled for the panel.

A February survey by Tokyo Shoko Research found 37 per cent of the more than 2,600 companies that responded were diversifying procurement to places other than China amid the coronavirus crisis .

It remains to be seen how the policy will affect Prime Minister Shinzo Abe’s years-long effort to restore relations with China.

“We are doing our best to resume economic development,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian told a briefing Wednesday in Beijing, when asked about the move.

“In this process, we hope other countries will act like China and take proper measures to ensure the world economy will be impacted as little as possible and to ensure that supply chains are impacted as little as possible.”

The initial stages of the Covid-19 outbreak in China appeared to warm the often chilly ties between the two countries. Japan provided aid in the form of masks and protective gear – and in one case a shipment was accompanied by a fragment of ancient Chinese poetry. In return, it received praise from Beijing.

In another step welcomed in Japan, China declared Avigan, an antiviral produced by Japan’s Fujifilm Holdings , to be an effective treatment for the coronavirus, even though it has yet to be approved for that use by the Japanese.

Yet many in Japan are inclined to blame China for mishandling the early stages of the outbreak and Abe for not blocking visitors from China sooner.

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Donald Trump & MGM Strike Out Blocking Release Of ‘Apprentice’ Tapes; Ordered By Judge In Scam Suit:

Long rumored to be a cesspool of inappropriate language and behavior by the well-produced host and his corporate posing family, the long resisting MGM has now been ordered to hand over tapes of unaired footage from the NBC reality TV series in a long simmering class action over a marketing sleight of hand pulled by the Trumps on the show.

“Ordered that Plaintiffs’ motion to compel the MGM Entities to make available to Plaintiffs certain video footage is granted,” wrote U.S. District Judge Lorna Schofield late yesterday after a coronavirus social distancing enforced teleconference with the respective parties.

“Plaintiffs shall bear the reasonable costs of production, and the parties shall confer before incurring such costs,” the NYC-based judge added of the quartet of unknown plaintiffs who launched their lawsuit back in October 2018. “Plaintiffs shall file a letter by April 24, 2020, to apprise the Court of their discussions and agreements concerning production,” the three-page order made public today states (READ IT HERE).

The order to hand over tapes of at least two Apprentice episodes leaves Team Trump with their second loss of the week as Judge Schofield had previous denied their and marketing company, ACN Opportunity’s desire to have the whole thing moved behind closed doors to arbitration. In fact, the judge was clearly teed off that the Trumps and ACN had tried to shift things after getting access to all sorts of documents from the plaintiffs in the process of discovery in open court.

The much sued POTUS, plus offspring Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump and Ivanka Trump and their corporate entity were hauled into court this time for allegedly falsely encouraging people to invest in ACN’s video phone service over the 2005 to 2015 run of The Apprentice. As with almost all things touched by Trump, CAN turned out to be a shaky proposition. It also was revealed that the Trumps were actually being paid to endorse the product – a fact that they omitted from informing anyone.

Intending to appeal the April 9 order, Trump Corporation’s lead outside counsel Joanna Hendon did not respond to request for comment on the latest legal loss. Correspondingly, reps for MGM were radio silent on the order too. However, following a previous loss earlier this week in Team Trump’s desire to have the primary attorney for the pseudonymed Jane Doe, Mary Moe, Richard Roe and Luke Loe was playing this one pretty loud and proud.

“With last night’s opinion and today’s rulings, the Court has cleared away a number of remaining obstacles created by the defendants and third parties to proper discovery in this case,” Roberta Kaplan said on April 9 in a statement. “We look forward to continuing to gather the evidence to deliver justice for our brave clients, and thousands of others like them who were defrauded by the Trumps,” the Kaplan Hecker & Fink partner added.

Kaplan’s name may be familiar to many Deadline readers. As well ask taking on the Trumps, the co-founder of Time’s Up Legal Defense Fund is also representing Amber Heard’s defense in Johnny Depp’s ongoing $50 million defamation suit against his ex-wife, the Aquaman star

As for tapes from the Apprentice, under suspicions and accusations that Trump was caught on camera using racial slurs and more, MGM has fought tooth and nail to keep the unseen footage from public and potentially prying eyes. Now it looks like four unknown individuals may have partially accomplished what Tom Arnold could not.

Good Friday indeed.

A Louisiana state rep has died from the coronavirus

DiBlasio pissed me off this morning when he said on the Brian Lehrer radio show that closing down city streets to make social distancing easier for pedestrians is “unenforceable.”

This is beyond weird. Right out of "Brave New World"

A report from Italy:

"Italian police are using drones with thermal sensors to detect people with coronavirus out in public during the strict lockdown. The small drone flies above virus hotspots such as Bergamo in the Lombardy region, measuring the temperature of those below.

It then tells residents to go home and can even be used to issue fines if they are seen to have a raised temperature. If a suspect is seen with a raised temperature, police on the ground will then approach and take a reading by hand.

The hovering drone emits a mechanical buzz reminiscent of a wasp and shouts down instructions in a tinny voice. 'Attention! You are in a prohibited area. Get out immediately,' commands the drone, about the size of a loaf of bread.

A heat sensor takes the offender's temperature and sends the information to a drone operator, who stares at a thermal map on his hand-held screen - shining orange and purple blobs.

'Violations of the regulations result in administrative and criminal penalties,' the drone says.

Italy's coronavirus epicentre in the northern province of Bergamo, in Lombardy, has had enough of people spreading COVID-19.

Matteo Copia, police commander in Treviolo, near Bergamo, said: 'Once a person's temperature is read by the drone, you must still stop that person and measure their temperature with a normal thermometer. But drones are useful for controlling the territory.' "

Ohio releases a commercial using ping pong balls and mousetraps to explain the value of social distancing.

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The New York Times @nytimes · 7m Apple and Google are working together on a tool for phones that would allow users to trace any recent contact with someone who had the coronavirus. They hope to release it within several months.

[quote]The New York Times @nytimes · 7m Apple and Google are working together on a tool for phones that would allow users to trace any recent contact with someone who had the coronavirus. They hope to release it within several months.

Well that's the scariest thing I've read since this whole fucking mess began.

Remember the Indian scientist who back in January had a study showing that SARS-Cov2 was somehow modified with HIV? It got discredited and dismissed- wonder if one of you DL sleuths can find? There are some indications the virus can seemingly lay undetected and then comes back

R272 I never would have left my cat if I was in her situation. No way, no how.

Reuters:

Global coronavirus death toll hits 100,000, cases over 1.6 million

Brave New World

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Then you are a fool, R297. The cat could be resettled in a new home. In three days, it would be adjusted to its new surroundings. And after that, it would never think of you again for as long as it lives.

R301 a rehomed house cat in China would be eaten by the new “cat parents” before the day was out.

The Hill @thehill · 10m More than half of passengers on board Antarctica bound cruise have coronavirus

Some red states may urge workers to go back to work, but these will be poor red states who add nothing to the country's economy and are net users of federal monies that flow from rich blue states like WA, CA and NY.

Rich blue states will not let workers go back until the virus is under control. There will be no tax $$ to support the poor red states, where large numbers of the population don't work, and rely on SSI and other welfare benefits..

Until the blue states open up, the country will remain economically paralyzed.

What doesn't Corona virus fuck up (re: article at R300). It attacks fucking everything. That's terrifying.

L.A. Times:

We can't shelter in place forever: How the coronavirus lockdown might end

CNN @CNN · 13m British Prime Minister Boris Johnson is "able to do short walks" after he was moved out of intensive care at a London hospital where he has been receiving treatment for the coronavirus, a spokesman said Friday.

The first wave of people will return to work at the beginning of May and then it will slowly increase until most of the country is back around June.

People see Chris Cuomo and Andy Cohen hosting shows on TV every night and think, "Gee, they didn't get that sick so it must not be that bad. I'd rather risk it and get back to work."

work? what work? many biz won't even reopen, they are closed for good.

r296, if you haven't seen any widespread evidence by now, it's not evidence of a global conspiracy, it's evidence that the hypothesis was somewhere between 'wrong' and 'totally nuts'.

For one thing, even if it DOES "hide", there are a LOT of viruses that do it BESIDES HIV. Herpesviruses, for example. When you get chicken pox, the virus goes into remission in nerve cells, and can re-emerge years later as shingles.

CMV is another one. Pretty much everyone is infected by it during infancy, if not before birth, and it mostly appears to just sit there in perpetuity. It's so commonplace, I think there was actually a period of a few years when researchers mistakenly thought it was just "junk DNA" that was part of the human genome itself, until they stumbled upon someone who inexplicably lacked it.

More likely, though, is that it just fell through the cracks of an earlier test. PCR testing isn't absolute. It's kind of like a magnetometer sensor used as a digital compass in phones... if you look at the sensor's instantaneous values from moment to moment, it's literally ALL THE FUCK OVER THE PLACE, and not by small amounts, either. Ditto, for MEMS accelerometers and gyros. That's how MOST real-world sensors are.

It's kind of like digital scales. The stability of their readings is a total illusion. The only reason you can step on a scale, get a reading, step off, get back on a moment later, and see the same reading, is because they CHEAT... they remember the previous reading, and if they see another reading within some time threshold that's "close", they just show the earlier reading. You can prove this to yourself by getting 4 small 5 pound weights. Get on a scale, note the reading. Get back on the scale, note the same reading. Now get off, grab a weight, and get back on. Get off, grab two more places, get back on. Get off, put one of them down, get back on. Now put them all down and get back on. 99 times out of 100, after faking it out that way, your SECOND weighing won't even be within a half pound of the first one, because by that point, you've overflowed its recent-weight stack, so it goes back and does a brand new reading again... a reading that might very well be different by a quarter-kilo or half-pound.

It's why testing for recent HIV infections is so hard. DETECTING small amounts of HIV itself isn't necessarily hard... but reliably distinguishing week-old HIV from something else is quite a bit harder. If a sensitive PCR test said you had zero detected HIV, you could feel confident you were absolutely still HIV-negative. The problem is, a sensitive PCR test will NEVER say you have zero detected HIV... or at least, a PCR test that did would have a nontrivial likelihood of being wrong, and overlooking an actual HIV infection. The only real way to use PCR to determine early infection is to repeat the test after a few days, and see whether the second test shows a viral load that's significantly higher than the first... and even then, there's still a tiny bit of doubt until you repeat it and see a similar increase AGAIN a few days later.

Likewise, with something like a digital sensor, you have to take a bunch of readings over time, then analyze them as a time series to determine where they seem to be converging. And you have to do it with a sample rate that's significantly faster than the sensor itself is likely to be re-oriented.

What I want to know though, is why the authorities who did those earlier 'negative' tests didn't take enough extra blood and save it to re-analyze later, precisely to answer questions like this that might emerge at a later time. Obviously they can only store a certain amount of samples in perpetuity, but you'd think they'd at LEAST have saved a large random subset of samples for 3-12 months, and continued to preserve a random subset beyond that.

R300 Interesting study, but there's a flaw to people jumping to conclusions and the authors of the study did not do that as they couldn't link causal relationship between COVID-19 and neurological consequences. There's another explanation outright that I could think off, and that is ICU psychosis. Older patients with comorbidities who become severely ill with COVID-19 would likely have been treated in the ICU. Patients of all ages can have what's known as ICU psychosis that could last for weeks, with elderly patients being more susceptible.

From r291

“The hovering drone emits a mechanical buzz reminiscent of a wasp and shouts down instructions in a tinny voice. 'Attention! You are in a prohibited area. Get out immediately,' commands the drone, about the size of a loaf of bread.“

Why is this so funny? Maybe quarantine is making me delirious but that paragraph elicited an audible bemused laugh.

Imagine being outside minding your own business when suddenly something buzzes over head, hovers to take a temperature reading and then you’re told to go home and go fuck your self by a hovering bread sized wasp thing with a tinny voiceover.

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In the US, people would start using them for target practice. Not necessarily people in view pulling out a gun and shooting them, but people would shoot at them from second story windows when they thought they were out of view. The police would end up needing to send them out in swarms... one to scan pedestrians, and four more to video the surrounding area to try and catch people shooting at them.

NPR Politics @nprpolitics · 12m The Department of Health and Human Services has reversed course and will continue offering support to coronavirus testing sites across the country after initially planning to end their support for 41 sites.

Gee, r296, if there was some electric based informational research tool that you could use:

R311 My sister had many of those exact symptoms (confusion, dizziness, seizure, vision and taste impairment, but no cough or fever. At one point her lungs filled up with fluid, but never did again) in mid-Feb. before anyone in her county had tested positive (I don't even know if they had tested anyone at that point). Since she didn't have a cough or fever, she was not tested.

She has high blood pressure. She had all of those symptoms before she landed in the hospital so she did not have ICU psychosis. Based on that article and one in the NY Times last week that was posted in an earlier thread, I'm convinced she had the virus. The doctors at her hospital were puzzled and released her after several days with a some sort of encephalopathy diagnosis (they couldn't put "unknown" on her chart).

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Coronavirus patients report strange new symptom: fizzing

Add this to the growing list of the coronavirus‘ awful toll on victims: a symptom that produces a strange buzzing sensation throughout their body.

The side effect, reported by patients sharing their symptoms on Twitter, is now being described as “fizzing,” and is one of the more mysterious marks of the illness.

Other symptoms of the deadly disease include a loss of smell and taste, fever, aches, breathlessness, fatigue, a dry cough, diarrhea, strokes and seizures, and for some, no symptoms at all.

But as more and more patients share the effects of the illness online, many are finding they have the strange new symptom, too. One patient, @miafia, who felt the sensation since the first day of her symptoms, described it as “an electric feeling on my skin.”

Neither the World Health Organization nor the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention list the skin sensation as a symptom, though some cases in Italy included a skin rash. Separately, French dermatologists reported skin symptoms including pseudo-frostbite, hives and persistent redness.

Tarana Burke, known as the founder of the #MeToo movement, shared that her partner had the illness and had a burning feeling on his skin that was so severe, “his skin felt like it was burning.”

“Even when he barely had a fever of 99+ we literally used aloe gel for sunburn to soothe it,” she wrote on Twitter. “The NP later told us she had heard others say that too.”

Even infamous influencer Arielle Charnas reported some “skin sensitivity” when she first came down with the virus.

Do the glands swell? I haven't heard anyone report that. Just "This is the strangest illness I've ever felt".

COVID-19 sufferers are Tender to the Touch!

If nothing else, perhaps this will get the notion that elections that aren't for president are important into the heads of rank and file Democrats.

r324- that's Fibromyalgia, right?

Oh, R326! Don't even joke about that.

Once the fibro brigade gets the idea to connect it to Covid-19, they will never let go.

R272: WTF did she take her pet cat to China of all places?! You never, ever take your pet cat or dog to China. smdh

Or maybe just a case of some people becoming more aware of bodily sensations after a course of serious illness. A common phenomenon. Don’t need bitches to attribute every ailment to COVID-19 now.

R322

Fuck... I’ve had this rash for 2 days that resembles erythema multiforme but maybe isn’t and that can be caused by viruses. I also loss my sense of taste so profoundly that I was googling if I had a brain tumour. Sense of taste returned and I promptly forgot about it until this fucking rash.

I wouldn’t meet testing criteria but hmmm

That's the Morgellons, R330.

😵 Why don't they call it the Tuning Fork Syndrome ?

😾 Don't blame the owner. It was a Chinese Li Hau cat who went to China to visit relatives. He invited the owner/ caregiver to come along as a guest traveler.

I wouldn’t have left my cat OR dog in China. They’d have been dinner within 24 hours...

Guardian-Brazil’s president Jair Bolsonaro – already under fire for his cavalier reaction to the pandemic – has sparked further outrage by ignoring social distancing rules twice in the last 48 hours and being caught on camera shaking the hand of an elderly woman just seconds after wiping his nose with his wrist. The nose-wipe handshake was caught on camera by one of Brazil’s major TV networks, Globo, and quickly went viral on social media.

R295, in Hong Kong, when they diagnosed someone with Coronavirus, they’d confiscate that person’s phone and go through so they could track down all recent contacts and test them. That’s probably the “inspiration” for the Apple/Google idea.

So far we've learned the coronavirus can damage the lungs, the digestive track, the heart, the brain/nervous system, and the skin. We're not sure how long the incubation time is but it could be longer than 15 days. Asymptomatic people are contagious. And now people are saying it might reactivate after patients are cured?? I'm choosing to believe it was faulty testing because this thing is the stuff of nightmares.

In Italy we refer to Corona as 🧀 [italic]The Morté Della Syndrome.

A man was jailed for a minor parole violation. They caught the coronavirus in jail and died.

Since only 1% of Americans have been tested so far, there's no telling how many people have been infected. The real number has to be well over a million.

R304

Your economics professors in Caracas must be so proud of you. Literally everyone who read the post is now dumber for having done so.

In REAL economics it doesn’t work that way, sweetheart.

R304

Your economics professors in Caracas must be so proud of you. Literally everyone who read the post is now dumber for having done so.

In REAL economics it doesn’t work that way, sweetheart.

Mamma always said r339 that " crime don't pay."

R337? The word you're looking for is "tract," as in "digestive tract."

You're welcome.

R340 Millions for sure

LA County "safer at home" extended until May 15th

R337 AIRBORNE AIDS!!!

R310 Thanks for your explanation. I have experience with HSV-1. In my 20’s I went through times I would get a very serious outbreak usually when under stress. I learned to manage it by taking lysine, astragalus and keeping mindful not to get too run down and limiting alcohol.

I just wonder if this virus can lay dormant like some of the others that do. CMV can be very danergous to newborns who catch from their Mom during birth.

HIV is of note because or those Chinese scientists who did gene editing with CRISPR to confer immunity against HIV

“A woman in China has given birth to two genetically edited baby girls, according to the Associated Press news agency. The aim of the experiment was to create children who are immune to HIV, but it hasn’t yet been independently reviewed or verified

HIV enters and infects cells by binding to a protein on the surface called CCR5. The team in China, led by He Jiankui of Southern University of Science and Technology of China in Shenzhen, says it has used the CRISPR gene editing technique to try to disable the gene for CCR5. Edited genes

One aspect of the experiment that has come under criticism is that we don’t yet know if it is safe to delete both copies of the CCR5 gene – which is involved in immunity – in every cell of the body. “We don’t know what the full effects will be,” says Neely.

The UK is quadrospazzed on a life glug.

980 deaths today, a record higher daily total than anywhere ever except the US - and the UK is a sixth of the size of the US in terms of population. 9k new cases too.

Mia Farrow’s daughter Quincy hospitalized with coronavirus

Mia Farrow announced that her daughter Quincy has been hospitalized after contracting coronavirus.

“A personal request,” the “Rosemary’s Baby” star, 75, tweeted on Friday. “If you would be so kind, would you please send up a prayer for my daughter Quincy. Today she had no alternative but to go the hospital for help in her struggle against the coronavirus.”

Farrow adopted 26-year-old Quincy, born Kaeli-Shea, in 1994 when she was a year old. Quincy is married and has a daughter named Coretta, who has appeared on Farrow’s Instagram page.

Actress Jane Lynch responded, “Indeed. Love and prayers.”

Monica Lewinsky responded with a bunch of heart and prayer-hand emojis, while journalist Ann Curry wrote, “Prayers for Quincy, Mia.”

Neither Dylan nor Ronan Farrow have publicly responded to their mother’s announcement about Quincy’s health.

Quincy has two risk factors already - obesity and being of African origin.

^ Obese blacks seem to be particularly targeted by this virus.

I was giving the fish eye when I got some carry out at Cracker Barrel. Are slightly chubby people being targeted?

I was given .... I meant.

Former Motown exec James Fisher has succumbed to the coronavirus

I know a girl who got COVID-19. They treated her with HCQ.

Medical supplies arrive in France from China .. 😐

Same here R337..I choose to believe that as well and many other do too.

The level of obesity, diabetes in the black community is pretty high especially in the South. There's lots of fat white people too.

What a difference a block makes. This thread is rapidly filling up and the last one took CENTURIES in CFT (CFT = Corona Freakout Time). Very interesting

lolz

Wow..6-10k/month to be treated like a concentration camp?

Those care homes are death traps

Tiny face masks!

This is adorable.... and lowkey so sad.

R330

Seriously, you probably are infected. Please make sure to self isolate and save some fluid samples.

Rashes and anosmia are two telltale symptoms.

Gupta was on CNN earlier talking about the neurological symptoms and mention that they were related to inflammation in the base of the brain. The hideous weeklong headache I had in late February was in the back of my head. It was different from any headache I have ever had.

Very cute GAY doctor saving lives!

Very cute. Does he have a slutty Instagram, R366?

R366, he's adorable. Does he gave a bf?

Whoops, I meant "Does he have a bf?"

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So much to learn

I think some of you are running fevers.

Louisiana church is expecting 2000 people for Easter services. I can't even

Sorry, that doctor isn't cute even by corona induced cabin fever.

R373, bye crazy people!

[quote] Sorry, that doctor isn't cute even by corona induced cabin fever.

He's just worked a long shift, and his face is red and a bit cut up by wearing those heavy face shields.

But you're right, he's more attractive then you will ever be able to understand.

This virus is fascinating in a horrible way. The wide variety of symptoms (including more new ones every day and especially losing one’s sense of smell?) and the variations in severity from no symptoms at all to mild symptoms to critically ill and dying. That blogger David Lat and his husband both caught it (so it wasn’t different strains.) They’re similar ages and healthy, and David ended up on a ventilator in the ICU and almost died while his husband only had mild symptoms. I don’t know of any other illness that manifests itself in so many different ways.

[quote]This virus is killing liberals by the thousands. It's not affecting Red States much.

A) Who took a survey on how patients vote? There are red voters in blue states.

B) Ohio is a RED state, yet was notably affected until DeWine got tough on closing schools and keeping people home.

yes, I saw a report that David Lat has to use a stool in the shower because he can't stand for too long...poor guy.

The doctor at R366 is adorable. He has total husbandface. I hope he's OK.

R379 People are incredibly debilitated after being that sick and on a ventilator in the ICU, even the young previously healthy ones. Their muscles atrophy and they have residual lung damage and poor exercise tolerance.

R377 Influenza virus also kills relatively or seemingly healthy people each year. We had really bad strain 2-3 seasons ago where young, healthy people were dying. Not saying this one is same as the flu at all because it's not, bu viral infections can and do kill the young and healthy. There are some research studies that aim to find out the reasons, and so far there's a theory that certain individuals are susceptible to complications from viral infections due to a small genetic mutation. But otherwise these individuals are healthy, normal-appearing.

[quote] This virus is fascinating in a horrible way.

It is frightening because getting it is like playing Russian roulette. You have no idea if you’re going to be one of the patients who wind up on a ventilator. Or, you get lucky and have mild to no symptoms. So, the people who are still brushing this off are crazy. Yes, obesity, diabetes, and cardiac problems put you at higher risk, but a lack of those issues doesn’t guarantee you being OK — as David Lat’s case demonstrates.

R379 Here’s his WaPo article where he talks about it. He says he has no memory of his six days on the ventilator, thankfully.

He’s 44 years old.

[quote]I experience breathlessness from even mild exertion. I used to run marathons; now I can’t walk across a room or up a flight of stairs without getting winded. I can’t go around the block for fresh air unless my husband pushes me in a wheelchair. When I shower, I can’t stand the entire time; I take breaks from standing to sit down on a plastic stool I have placed inside my bathtub.

R383 That’s what freaks me out, the chance of ending up that sick on a ventilator in the ICU and almost dying. How hard it would be to come back from that, not to mention the medical bills (even with insurance they’d be astronomical.)

Apple and Google team up to create coronavirus-tracking software

Apple and Google are teaming up to build software that can alert users if they come into direct contact with someone who has the coronavirus.

In a rare partnership for the Silicon Valley rivals that’s sure to stir privacy concerns, the companies said in a Friday press release that they will work together on that will allow iPhones and Android phones alike to exchange information via Bluetooth, alerting users if they have been in close physical proximity with someone who has tested positive for COVID-19.

Under the plan, users’ phones will be added to a catalog of phones that have agreed to have their tracing technology turned on. If a person in the catalog tests positive, a list of encrypted phones that came near that person’s phone will be alerted.

Such phone tracking was used by China, known for questionable surveillance of its citizens, to combat the spread of the virus.

The software — which the companies have stressed will only be employed if users opt-in and agree to be tracked — will begin to be available in May as a downloadable app. The tech giants plan to build the tracking technology directly into their operating systems to streamline the process down the line, they said.

In an effort to reassure users about the potential privacy implications of a mass-tracking system, Apple and Google said that GPS location data will not be used, nor will the technology track the location or identity of users. Instead, they said that the program will only capture data about when users’ phones have been near each other, and will not be decrypted on the companies’ servers.

“Privacy, transparency, and consent are of utmost importance in this effort, and we look forward to building this functionality in consultation with interested stakeholders,” Apple’s statement reads.

Governments worldwide have been scrambling to develop or evaluate software meant to improve the normally labor-intensive process of contact tracing, in which health officials go to recent contacts of an infected person and ask them to self-quarantine or get tested.

Several health technology experts have said the involvement of Apple and Google would be a massive boost to their efforts, as contact tracing apps from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and others struggled to make their apps work across competing operating systems.

Patients on ventilators are given a combination of strong sedatives, hence the foggy brain and yes, some do not have any memory of being on vents but I would say that's not the norm. Usually you're aware but you do get foggy brain from the sedatives. Sedatives are needed to reduce anxiety of being on vents, many people reflexively fight against being on vents so it's necessary to sedate them until they're able to be weaned off of vents.

The New York Times @nytimes · 9m 70 people at San Francisco’s largest homeless shelter have tested positive for the coronavirus, Mayor London Breed said on Friday

Forgot to add ventilated patients also get narcotic analgesics like morphine or fentanyl as well as anxiolytics beside the strong sedatives. It would be very unusual to have no brain fog after being on vents for 6 days.

They also get sedated to lower their oxygen consumption. When you’re maxed out on a ventilator and still have low oxygen levels, being agitated and thrashing around makes it even worse. So they zonk you with Propofol the whole time.

CNN:

Trump asked what metrics he's using. See his response.

We know the virus floats around in the air, so drive-thrus are a bad idea since you breathe the air of the person in front of you. Don't believe the shit about droplets, it spread too fast for that.

We know that by now we could have distributed billions of free face masks to the public if we had started a month ago and left the economy in good shape.

We know that it's not a new virus but one that has co-evolved with humans in rural Yunnan-Shan state area for a long time, so why aren't we testing them to find out what immunity they have that we don't?

We know it crosses the species barrier too easily to really go away once it gets into our wildlife and pets.

Ohio is not a red state. It’s a swing state.

It is Kafkaesque that we are dividing our dead and dying fellow Americans into RED and BLUE.

r389, r390. It seems to me that kind treatment might make someone worse, considering how sedatives depress an immune system.

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r395 et al. there is a stream of thought circulating among the Critical care community that early ventilation of COVID patients, as is done in an ARDS protocol, may result in in damage to hypoxic lungs. There is a lot of discussion going on about how different this virus is and how standard protocols might not work in several areas.

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 10 - 11:10 PM EST

✝️ GOOD FRIDAY

🙊 NATIONAL DAY OF SILENCE

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,699,631

DEATHS: 102,734

CRITICAL: 49,830

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 502,876

DEATHS: 18,747

CRITICAL: 10,917

✋: NO FIBBING ABOUT THE FACTS !

R384 are those lasting affects of having the coronavirus?

I can vividly remember freaking out over the first couple of cases in the US, and now we just passed 500k. WTF?

It's going to take several more months before all of this sinks in. I'm still in shock and I can't really feel anything anymore.

R399 Since this is a brand-new virus that has only been around since last December I guess no one knows what the long-lasting effects might be. We’ll have to wait and see. I’m sure there will be studies and research into this virus for years to come.

[quote]considering how sedatives depress an immune system.

I’m not aware that Propofol depresses the immune system. And isn’t the problem with the most severely ill patients that the immune system goes into overdrive? (cytokine storm)

Ask Michael Jackson about Propofol.

It depressed his immune system forever.

It didn't depress his immune system R403.

[quote] He's just worked a long shift, and his face is red and a bit cut up by wearing those heavy face shields.

Yes, and I clicked the link that was posted which took me to his Twitter page and other photos of him. I stand by my assessment.

Whatever that might be.

I, too, looked at his Twitter page and examined the other photos posted there. I'd fuck him!

Dr. Bennett/R366 is married, girls.

He has a husband at home to soothe his battered body parts.

(You thought a Harvard-educated scientist and physician would be single?)

Pics of his hubby?

Is Our Chris being safely sequestered from the virus in jail??

Can we send him face masks??

[quote] Dr. Bennett/[R366] is married, girls. He has a husband at home to soothe his battered body parts.

This is outrageous.

I hope he dies.

Shocker, Trump is being racist again

Take heart, R410. If that uggo can find a husband, so can anyone.

R409 I'm worried about Michael Avenatti

[quote]We know that it's not a new virus but one that has co-evolved with humans in rural Yunnan-Shan state area for a long time...

Where did you pick this idea up? Not at all what the scientists say. It's even in the name. Novel, as in new.

R395 In the ICU when you’re so sick that you’re in need of mechanical ventilation in order to not stop breathing and die, we don’t worry about longterm consequences of possible immune suppression, if that’s even a relevant consequence for you. It’s like worrying about being on vents and shit load of anxiolytics, narcotic pain meds, and sedatives turning you into a drug addict. It’s about priorities.

I'd that church @ r372 handing out Easter Baskets with latex gloves, disposable face masks, and hand sanitizer?

Massive Spike in NYC ‘Cardiac Arrest’ Deaths Seen as Sign of COVID-19 Undercounting

The FDNY reported a nearly 400 percent increase in "cardiac arrest" home deaths in late March and early April, a spike that officials say is almost certainly driven by COVID-19, whether they were formally diagnosed or not.

Between March 20 and April 5, the department recorded nearly 2,200 such deaths, versus 450 in the same period last year, according to data it provided on Friday.

The numbers are dramatically higher across the board -- the numbers of calls, the number of deaths and particularly the percentage of such calls that end in death.

In just the first five days of April, more than 70 percent of cardiac arrest calls ended in a pronunciation of death every day. Some days, the numbers were up tenfold versus a year earlier -- and everyone acknowledges there's only one likely cause.

“It’s just horrendous. The numbers speak for themselves. This used to be a very, very rare thing in New York City and suddenly it’s jumped up. The only thing that’s changed is COVID- 19,” Mayor Bill de Blasio told reporters earlier this week. The city is moving to count more people in its official total, even if they were not tested for the virus.

New York City remains the U.S. epicenter of the crisis, with more than a fifth of the nation's total cases and more than a third of its deaths. As the crisis deepened, new rules advised paramedics not to bring cardiac arrest patients to hospitals if they could not be revived in the field.

Overall, the FDNY is experiencing a 50 percent increase in call volume, and has asked that people only call 911 for urgent emergencies, such as cardiac arrest, heavy bleeding or inability to breathe.

I am so happy to hear that David Lat is out of the hospital and back home. I have to say I was really not expecting him to make it.

R392, I'm pretty sure we don't "know" any of that bull you spewed, except maybe the face mask thing (although I don't know about "billions."

Link or shut up. You're the opposite of helpful.

If someone has posted this above, sorry, I missed it.

The Governor of Montana has issued a letter declaring that the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy both perform Essential Services and are exempt from all stay at home orders.

If someone has posted this above, sorry, I missed it.

The Governor of Montana has issued a letter declaring that the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy both perform Essential Services and are exempt from all stay at home orders.

Not man-made or new, but something that evolved specifically to target human cells regulating blood pressure.

r409 Love for our Chris will never die, Corona cannot kill it.

TMZ @TMZ · 5h Babyface Says He Tested Positive For COVID-19, Family Infected Too

More from our doctor friend. He’s not bad on the eyes.

[quote]Not man-made or new, but something that evolved specifically to target human cells regulating blood pressure.

Not how evolution works, genius. Evolution doesn't target anything and that's not even close to what the article said. The article you posted a link to is fine. Your knowledge of science is sorely lacking. Why don't you stop editorializing since you don't know what you're talking about?

Evolution takes time. Even for viruses.

Where was Chris Cuomo tonight?

Any experts here want to weigh in on what really happened with Boris Johnson? Obviously they aren’t telling us the truth. Is it possible that he actually was on a ventilator for a couple in ICU? Just curious.

He almost certainly had to have been on some kind of apparatus, if they're celebrating the fact that he sat up and then ate something.

The latest news from Belgium: +327 deaths (3346 total). We now have more reported deaths than China

China is SO lying about their numbers, it's obscene.

Indeed. I forgot to add "As if" to my comment.

-431

Lying about their numbers and lying about the second wave also.

The deaths outside of hospitals is probably in the 1000's based on similar data from France and Belgium

BBC-There is no hiding from the fact that yesterday's announcement of 980 new UK deaths has surpassed Italy and Spain's worst days during this pandemic. Italy's highest daily death toll was 919 according to the latest figures, Spain's was 950. While these two countries are now seeing daily death figures coming down, the UK's have been closing in on 1,000 for several days - and the true death toll is likely to be higher once deaths not yet reported have been added in.

R431 that is really scary considering what a small nation Belgium 🇧🇪 is. Wishing you health.

The toilet paper supply situation has been explained by Chris Hayes and Will Oremus.

It's not a problem with people hoarding.

I can’t find a pic of cute Dr. Chris’ husband, but Dr. Josh is also very cute and married.

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✝️ HOLY SATURDAY

🐈🐕 NATIONAL PET DAY

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,715,058

DEATHS: 103,803

CRITICAL: 388,866

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 503,177

DEATHS: 18,761

CRITICAL: 20,917

✋: 🐇 HIPPITY HOPPITY HONESTY

China doing what it does best

Guardian-China is cracking down on publication of academic research about the origins of the novel coronavirus, in what is likely to be part of a wider attempt to control the narrative surrounding the pandemic, documents published online by Chinese universities appear to show. Two websites for leading Chinese universities appear to have recently published and then removed pages that reference a new policy requiring academic papers dealing with Covid-19 to undergo extra vetting before they are submitted for publication.

R417, the spike in cardiac arrest cases in NYC would match up with the information in R371’s article about coagulation problems for COVID patients. (For some reason, you have to google R371’s article; the link provided doesn’t appear to work, at least for me.)

Guardian-New York City 911 emergency operators are picking up new calls every 15 seconds as the service is placed under unprecedented strain. The system in the US city is so overwhelmed, the Associated Press reported, and the city has started sending text and tweet alerts urging people to only call 911 for life-threatening emergencies. The Fire Department said it has averaged more than 5,500 ambulance requests each day, about 40% higher than usual, eclipsing the total call volume on September 11 2001.

Suppressing an urge to “Oh, Dear” the lack of a comma between 11 and 2001.

Babyface has it? I hope it's not the End of the Road for him.

Poor Belgium...I wonder why the case and death toll are so high? Could it be that it is divided country and therefore an unorganized response to it?

Is Jean Claude Van Damme safe?

Or does he live in the USA?

R445 They're following the path of Italy and a few other European countries.

Well actually you didn't suppress it R443.

R437 Jesus Christ that video was annoying. Chris Hayes contributed nothing to the conversation and was just slightly restating what the researcher said, seconds after he said it. You could literally skip over every time Hayes opened his mouth and just listen to the researcher and gain the same amount of knowledge. That clip would have been half the length.

Information about expanded access therapeutic plasma trial.

More people died of COVID on April 8th than died of heart disease.

I just went to the grocery store, when it opened at 7:00 am. There were 12 packs of toilet paper. I bought one, and other people were heading towards the remaining packs.

The toilet paper shortage is real.

[R451] Every 10 seconds someone dies from Covid-19 in the world, every 30 seconds someone dies from it in the USA.

Has anyone considered corona was spread by alien (the greys) so they can move in?

Or just me?

From the Washington Post

Oxford professor says a vaccine could be ready by September

[quote] LONDON — A leading British scientist says she is “80 percent” confident that a vaccine for the coronavirus could be ready by September. Sarah Gilbert, a vaccinology professor at Oxford University, told the Times of London in an article published Saturday that the vaccine her team developed could probably be ready in the fall “if everything goes perfectly.”

[quote] The vaccine developed by Gilbert’s team will begin human trials within two weeks. Gilbert told the Times of London that “nobody can promise it’s going to work,” but she was optimistic, saying she was 80 percent confident of its success.

[quote] “I think there’s a high chance that it will work, based on other things that we have done with this type of vaccine,” Gilbert said. “It’s not just a hunch, and as every week goes by, we have more data to look at."

[quote] And even if it is a success, experts say that rolling it out en masse could take months.

So if this is "ready" by September, does that mean the human trails testing isn't as stringent in Great Britain as in the United States? Isn't human testing the part that takes 12 to 18 months in the US?

The article says the vaccine, if proven effective, would be ready in September, and then take months to roll out. In America, they say they will have a series of vaccine candidates now and by summer, and that it will take 12 to 18 to 24 months to test, and after that it would take months to roll out.

The photo in the OP is hopelessly vulgar. Does she really expect us to give her a gynecological exam? Barf.

^^^ Just for you hon.

My father had Idiopathic Pulmonary Fibrosis- they had told me that he would probably die of cardiac arrest than lack of oxygen, because the heart is trying so hard to get oxygen rich blood through the body/lungs. And he did die of a cardiac arrest, so I'm not surprised at those findings in New York.

This article nails Dump:

The humorist Alexandra Petri once likened Trump to a goldfish, a purely reactive animal lost in a “pastless, futureless, contextless void.” This is an apt comparison, with one major flaw: Goldfish are not malevolent, and do not corrode the will and decency of those who gaze on them.

In his daily coronavirus briefings, Trump lumbers to the podium and pulls us into his world: detached from reality, unable to feel any emotions but anger and paranoia. Most leaders would at least have the sense not to relitigate every vendetta in their personal Burn Book at such moments. That’s what rallies and sycophantic interviews with Fox News are for, after all.

With cable news constantly covering the pandemic, he seems to be going through withdrawal. He needs an outlet for his political glossolalia, or his constantly replenishing reservoir of grievance and insecurity will burst its seams.

Even Trump’s staff—itself a collection of morally compromised enablers—cannot cajole him or train him to sound like a normal human being. Trump begins every one of these disastrous briefings by hypnotically reading high-minded phrases to which he shows no connection. Once he finishes stumbling through these robotic recitations, he’s back to his grievances.

R455 No, the criteria and standards for human testing in the UK is pretty much the same as it is here. We already had first vaccine tested on human subjects back in March in Washington state. It’s the only one in the US that’s in the human trial stage. Preliminary results will be available in the next few weeks. If results are promising then it gets to move on to the next stage. It’s a mRNA vaccine which confers longterm immunity even if the virus mutates. Here in the US vaccine trials are being given special circumstance approvals to fast track the vaccine development process. It usually takes at least 5-10 years for a vaccine to be developed. So a span of 12-18 months is unprecedented. The RNA vaccine under human trial if all goes well, will be available for use this late fall for certain populations such as healthcare providers if there are still outbreaks.

OMG, what is that, R457?

Ewwwwww!

^^^Yet he's such a dear man.

R459 Although to me he’s more like a lizard than a goldfish. His tiny primitive reptile brain either basks in the warm glow of flattery or strikes out reflexively at his ‘enemies.’ Two modes, that’s all he has.

It's official now. The US has the most deaths in the world. Thank you Mr. President for taking this so seriously since the beginning! What would we have done without you? !!!

Lizards can't get viruses. Maybe that's why he's so maskless and ready to touch everyone. Has David Icke commented. lol

The US was always going to have the most infections and deaths bu virtue of travel from around the world. Everyone and anyone fly in to play or to work/ study. Compared ti say, Germany or Japan, comparable nations in Europe and Asia respectively. US is also fucked by the fact that we have no universal health insurance.

From 1 death on 29 Feb (the first) to over 20,000 (this weekend) in 6 short weeks.

It's like nothing anybody has ever seen, and it's tremendous!

[quote]The US has the most deaths in the world.

Not true.

The EU has the most deaths in the world.

Just between Italy, Spain, France and the UK there are around 58,800 deaths. Yet their combined population number does not even reach that of the US.

[quote] The EU has the most deaths in the world. Just between Italy, Spain, France and the UK...

I beg your pardon, we're not in the bloody EU! *cough*

MAGA!

EU isn't a country and even a federation. That fact was particularly highlighted by the way EU responded to this crisis. Each member was left to fight this alone including closing the country borders for each member country.

Can someone else find more hot gay Corona Doctors????

[quote] Sarah Gilbert, a vaccinology professor at Oxford University, told the Times of London in an article published Saturday that the vaccine her team developed could probably be ready in the fall “if everything goes perfectly.”

While crazy Roseanne Barr is sitting on her ass and claiming that COVID-19 is all a big conspiracy, Sarah Gilbert is hard at work developing a vaccine AND starring in "The Connors."

r436, Belgium is "small", but it's kind of like a cross between New York and the Washington, DC metro area. The Capitol Region itself is ethnically-diverse, with adjacent areas that consider themselves part of it, but nevertheless have their own strong identities (Wallonia & Flanders). Not unlike NYC, vs NJ and CT... or DC, vs VA & MD. Same kind of turf battles & squabbles, but with language added to fan the flames.

The US actually doesn’t have the “most coronavirus deaths.” The bare number is meaningless. By citing the number and pretending it means anything, people are being just as shifty as the asshole-in-chief, who crowed about America conducting “the most tests.”

It’s meaningless unless you actually cite the RATE, for fucks sake.

Trump was wrong about America conducting the most tests because America’s population is vastly larger than, say, South Korea’s — a country that has in fact tested far more people per capita than the US.

But by the same token the US deaths need to be seen in the same perspective.

Today it was announced that about 19,000 Americans had died of coronavirus. I read this on the BBC app — lots of focus on that being the most deaths—and it was also mentioned that over 9,000 Britons has died.

9,000 Britons dying is FAR WORSE than 19,000 Americans because the US has almost five times the population of the UK. One out of every 7,700 Britons has died. One out of every 17,000 Americans has died.

"NYC Schools are closed for the rest of the school year."

Nobody is talking about rates and and mortality. The headline is simple. USA currently ranks above Italy in the number of deaths. Full stop.

Yes people are talking about something meaningless. Full stop.

Not to try and deflect the discussion from squabbling about data, but I spent last night getting drunk on a Zoom call with my college friends. If you have an opportunity to do something similar, I highly recommend it.

there is also www.netflixparty.com

R477: Exactly. USA does have the highest *number* of people who have died from Covid-19.

China is full of bullshit. They will have their reckoning. I feel for the doctors, nurses, scientists and people who live under such a regime. People are trying to tell the truth. They are dying and disappearing because of it. The CCP cracks down and smashes dissent or anything that makes them look bad. The horror that has been unleashed upon the world, just to save face...

I can only imagine the swift and decisive action Hilary would have taken.

Chen Quishi- we haven’t forgotten you.

R482 wants to nuke China as well as open up internment camps here for Chinese-Americans.

R475 Unfortunately, this is just getting started in the US. While Europe recovers (excluding the UK), the fire will burn for months and months in the US thanks to our sorry ass leadership. The smart states are doing what they can, but they can only do so much. Sadly, the 20000 deaths today will be a forgotten memory as the deaths and cases continue to mount in the days, weeks and months ahead. Mr. Corona always has the last word. Always.

R483

Certainly not.

That doesn’t mean the world will not change their relationship with China or the US. Japan is spending 2 billion to move manufacturing out of China.

CCP is killing and silencing anyone who tries to speak up or tell the truth. They have sent faulty tests, and PPE around the globe.

This video explains what South Korea is doing to contain the outbreak so that people in their country can continue to work. It also lets you wonder whether the extensive testing and contact tracing they did can be/will be done in the United States.

But in partial answer to how will the US cope, we have this new headline from Vox.com (4/10/20)

[quote]Trump is woefully confused about why more coronavirus testing is vital

R456 I have never posted a vulgar picture. I have never done so Sylvia must be up to her usual dirty evil tricks which only proves me right.

Happy National Pet Day.

Show them some extra love!

Back at ya’ R448. We took the little guy to the vet today for ears, nails, tush and it was an interesting experience similar to how restaurant pick-up is with the paying in advance and calling from the car and minimal contact.

There have already been more than 1,500 new CV deaths in the U.S. today. We'll almost certainly cross the 2,000 threshold again today.

Meanwhile, one of the top trending topics on Twitter is #OPENAMERICANOW.

⏳ CORONA TIME - APRIL 11 - 4:20 PM EST

✝️ HOLY SATURDAY

🐈🐕 NATIONAL PET DAY

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 1,768,019

DEATHS: 108,178

CRITICAL: 50,128

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 525,559

DEATHS: 20,304

CRITICAL: 11,053

✋: I 😘 MY KITTIES....HONEST!

If a Democrat were in office instead of the buffoon, we would have not only been prepared and had fewer deaths but we could, right now, take advantage of China's evil bullshit and turn America into the world's new manufacturing base as countries rethink their relationship with China.

👺 When Trump removes his shoes and socks, a pair of matching cloven hooves suddenly appear.

Video about therapeutic plasma for lay audience.

Interesting about the rise of heart attacks being a symptom of covid-19. I know a nurse whose coworkers husband suddenly died of a heart attack back in early February. It came as such a shock to everyone because he was otherwise healthy and young. Autopsy showed he didn't have a congenital heart defect. The wife couldn't understand why he had it.

R495, they aren't saying that the virus causes heart attacks in otherwise healthy people. They are saying people with heart disease drop dead quickly from Covid because of the strain it places on their already weak hearts.

I'm sure Trump has either had Covid, or has had plasma or another treatment. There is no other way he'd be so comfortable this whole time. It wouldn't shock me that the US pres and VP were given special medical care, but I think Trump wants his base to continue thinking of him as some Super Man (*thank goodness he wears a heavily tailored suit and not tights- talk about cottage cheese in a garbage bag!)

Have any of the reporters straight up asked him if he has had some sort of preventative treatment? Of course, he'd lie but when the truth later comes out, at least it will be on tape.

Bill Maher - asshole for sure.

Do you agree with him here or is he just being a racist?

[quote][R477]: Exactly. USA does have the highest *number* of people who have died from Covid-19.

Meanwhile, in numbers that matter, the UK has over twice the mortality rate as the US, and Italy has almost *six times* the mortality rate of the US.

[quote]Not how evolution works, genius. Evolution doesn't target anything and that's not even close to what the article said. The article you posted a link to is fine. Your knowledge of science is sorely lacking

Except that is what the article at R422 says:

[quote] SARS-CoV-2 appears to be particularly adept at interacting with human cell surface proteins, such as the blood pressure-related receptor ACE2.

[quote]The researchers' analyses point to human infections stemming from either pathogenic SARS-CoV-2 viruses that were transmitted from an animal vector to humans or from initially non-pathogenic forms of the virus that evolved in humans to become pathogenic.

[quote]They conclude that the virus is the product of natural evolution.

1) natural evolution

2) affinity for bp-related ACE2 receptor on human cells

Yes (Re:497) Trump has definitely been exposed and was treated weeks ago. Probably plasma and his magical wonder pill, etc. This is why he has been acting so cavalier while his buddy Boris has been lying in ICU. His recent behavior is odd and very telling. Also, there has been little social distancing in the press room. Most men of his age and in the shape he is in would have all reporters call in. It just does not make sense.

r499 what did he say? that link doesn't go to a particular video. I caught an episode of real time last week and laughed at how badly Bill was doing emotionally. He HATES not having a studio audience to applaud and laugh at him. Narcissist extraordinaire, it's part of the reason he hates Trump. They are so much alike it kills him.

Wuhan Flu, thanks for nothing! Julie Pneumar

Bootsy, those *rates* matter to YOU.

R495 You don't need to have congenital heart defect to drop dead of a heart attack, unfortunately that's not how cardiovascular disease works. You can also have an arrhythmia that you're unaware of until sudden death. Young adults also do die from coronary artery disease, like that Harry Morton guy who started Pink Taco and used to date Lindsay Lohan. Sometimes the first symptom is sudden death.

Dr: Josh says:

[quote]Coronavirus really doesn’t care what you look like. In fact, we could all aspire to be a bit more like coronavirus in that sense

[quote]#EmergencyMedicine Resident @ Johns Hopkins. Aspiring toxicologist. Video gamer & scary movie dork. Semicolons are misunderstood. 100% human and 0% cylon.🏳️‍🌈

Buh-bye, Texans! (fucking assholes)

Why are you so insecure, R505?

Now Spain wants to start ‘opening up.’

[quote]Spanish authorities say they trust that plans to allow the return of nonessential workers to factories and construction sites next week won’t cause a significant resurgence in coronavirus infections, as some scientists have warned.

[quote]The move would not see a return of commercial activity in restaurants or shops other than supermarkets, pharmacies or newsstands, but has raised questions about the timing in easing some restrictions as the outbreak remains intense.

Seems WAY too early to start this. They’re barely past their peak death #s which were some of the highest anywhere.

An adapted ventilator that could be produced quickly and is non invasive... easier on patients, safer for hospital workers.

I don’t like to say it R510, but if other countries move too quickly and the results prove disastrous, maybe it will protect Americans from Trump’s determination to pretend this can be done.

I don’t like to say it R510, but if other countries move too quickly and the results prove disastrous, maybe it will protect Americans from Trump’s determination to pretend this can be done.

Anytime an illness affects the respiratory system, it doesn't take a lot to also affect your heart IF you also have underlying cardiac dysfunction. For instance if your lungs are congested then that affects heart function and even cause new onset or worsen existing heart failure. Having or recovering from pneumonia (not just from COVID-19) raises the risk of heart attack. Not COVID-19 specific.

also, in NYC, if you call the ambulance and when they come, they can't restart your heart, get a pulse, they will not bring you to the hospital.

British actress Hilary Heath, who co-starred with Vincent Price in The Witchfinder General and Cry of the Banshee, has died from Covid-19

My small town has the only Chinese restaurant closed til May! Went to bigger nearby town and all three are closed. I ordered Japanese for the first time.

Dear R487

Hopefully they'll lock the door when they leave, r515.

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^^was he coughing?

Russian hospitals hit by ‘huge influx’ of coronavirus patients

Russia’s hospitals were being overwhelmed by “a huge influx” of coronavirus patients as the country ended its second week of a Kremlin-mandate lockdown Saturday, a government official said.

Ambulances lined up at hospitals in a Moscow suburb Saturday; one driver told Reuters he had waited for more than 15 hours to drop off a patient who was suspected of having the infection.

Russia has reported 13,584 COVID-19 cases and 106 deaths.

“The situation in both Moscow and St. Petersburg, but mostly in Moscow, is quite tense because the number of sick people is growing,” Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said in an interview last week on Russian state TV. “There is a huge influx of patients. We are seeing hospitals in Moscow working extremely intensely, in heroic, emergency mode.”

Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said last week that the city would introduce digital permits to enforce the lockdown across the city. Residents would have to request permits to travel on public transit, and by taxi and by car, Reuters reported.

R479 I did that on Thursday night too

R522: They probably thought (like red/rural America) that if they don't test people, they can keep the numbers down. That works - until people start flooding the hospitals and dying!

The Popeyes on the Upper West Side has now closed “until further notice.” I fucking hate you, Covid-19.

The Popeyes on the Upper West Side has now closed “until further notice.” I fucking hate you, Covid-19.

No point in wearing clothes in quarantine!

Do I still have ab definition now? Sit-ups take me back to high school gym.

Won't go down to the laundry room--so this clean jock strap is all I have to wear.

No pasta, means no carbs covering my Adonis belt.

Thinking of us at the last Winter Party makes me hope for next year's!

That post is useless without pics, R527.

Try walking a kilometer or two in my sandals.

Not only am I attempting to ward off The Dreaded Corona with my coffee filter and rubber band face mask, but now the second round of the Locust Plague ha arrived, devouring everything in sight. A poor boy could starve.

And those rubber bands are really pinching my ears.

A friend of mine said she saw a bunch of people clutching their Bibles apparently heading in to some clandestine worship event. This is probably happening in red districts all over the U.S. Remembering what Trump said about wanting to see churches packed by Easter Sunday, you know. So in 3 to 14 days....

😵 Hat, r525, is a true American Horror Story ............

^^^ THAT, R525

Damn you, spell check.

Damn you !

[quote] Bootsy, those *rates* matter to YOU

And other people with functioning brains ....

Let’s try one for the remedial crowd. Probably pointless.

Let’s say you are looking at two online sellers, because you want to buy something.

Online seller A has 10,000 sales, and of those, 4,000 sales got a good rating, and 6,000 a bad rating, from buyers.

Online seller B has 1,000 sales, and OG those, 980 sales got a good rating, and 20 a bad rating, from buyers.

Would you buy from online seller A because it has more good rated sales than online seller B?

......

[quote] Try walking a kilometer or two in my sandals. Not only am I attempting to ward off The Dreaded Corona with my coffee filter and rubber band face mask, but now the second round of the Locust Plague ha arrived, devouring everything in sight. A poor boy could starve.

Oh, boo-hoo, Darfur Orphan. What about me? If I have to spend another day indoors, in bed, watching Netflix and surfing the web, I will LITERALLY die. #OPENAMERICANOW

[quote]Unfortunately, this is just getting started in the US. While Europe recovers (excluding the UK), the fire will burn for months and months in the US thanks to our sorry ass leadership.

Actually the US had cases of the virus before Europe.

With the exception of NYC, the US has done a much better job of dealing with the virus than most of Europe.

KTLA @KTLA · 6m L.A. County's coronavirus cases climbed to 8,873 with 265 deaths after 456 new infections and another 25 deaths were reported

Darfur orphan: You have sandals?

What, was the dung harvest particularly rich this year?

R537 There might be a lag in the spread due to low density of population, but it's spreading.

Over 900 deaths for the second day running in the UK. Yesterday they beat Italy and Spain's worst days with 980 deaths.

R534 .....

That's great, Bootsie, but I still need to know what time the train arrives in Chicago?

The impression I’m getting from watching the experts is that eventually everybody’s going to get it. The whole point of the stay at home order isn’t to stop us from getting it, it’s to stall it so we don’t all get it at once. And hopefully have time to make enough ventilators and at least come up with some kind of treatment. A vaccine’s a long ways away.

If older people get it before there’s some type of medication, they’re going to die. But this is like holding back the ocean by putting your finger in the hole in the dike. You can only hold it back so long.

Not every old person that gets it dies R543. There have also been relatively young people that have died from it.

Don't nitpick, R544.

R543 got it exactly right. All the flattening of the curve is to lower the number of illnesses at any particular moment. It is very little about lowering the number of illnesses.

When we are down to a steady daily number of new cases that can be reasonably handled by our healthcare system, we will all be sent back to work.

...........

I'm with Fauci. We won't see any "return to normalcy" until November.

NBC News @NBCNews · 7m NEW: Walt Disney Co. plans to furlough 43,000 workers at its Disney World resort in Orlando, Florida, as coronavirus forces theme parks around the country to close indefinitely.

R545 There will be rolling ‘hotspots’ throughout the country until there is a vaccine. We won’t be clear of it until then. If you haven’t had it you’ll be at risk every time you go out.

One strangely comforting thing about this virus is that no one can escape it - asian, black, white, rich, poor, famous, infamous, USA, Europe, Australia... etc. When I watch rich celebs on TV, I realize, they are going through this crisis also. This virus has leveled the playing field in that regard. The rich can't run away to Belize to escape it. Not this time.

OK, I've been quarantined in my apartment since the 29th. I'm gonna spend about 3 -4 hours tomorrow with my 71 yr old mother and my aunt, her sister. They've been quarantined since March 18th. Have not left their house. So the three of us will have homemade Easter brunch and visit then I'm going back home. But my ma has a problem. She dyed her hair at home and it came out wrong. She did facetime with me and it looks like a very deep reddish brown, sort of coppery. Her regular dye job was a rich medium brown with gold highlight. What possessed her I do not know. But she thinks because I'm gay I can help her fix it. I have no idea WTF I can do. But with your help, maybe I can make suggestions?

Who’s gonna start thread 34?

NO BITCHING

R543 Yes that seems to be the strategy worldwide. Delay it as much as possible so there's not additional mortality due to overload of healthcare systems, but most of us are going to get it. Hopefully we'll know more about the virus and have some sort of treatment, but there's no way we'll have a vaccine in time. If we're lucky we'll have one in a year and can vaccinate the remaining elderly and at risk people who won't have caught it by then. Also we don't know how long immunity lasts after infection and some people show low antibodies already... So vaccines might be useful for that, too.

How about a Kate Bush theme?

BREATHING

Re: UK

[quote]Yesterday they beat Italy and Spain's worst days with 980 deaths.

The US would need to have around 4,500 deaths in a day to match that.

The worst day so far has been around 2,000 deaths.

R551 Tell her not to do another damn thing. Corrective coloring takes knowledge and skills, and it's often a lengthy process to remove the undesirable color. It often can take two or three steps, and you can end up with permanently damaged hair. Not even great hairstylist can recommend any course of action untill the see the hair in person. And the first thing they'll tell you is to leave it to a professional stylist. And unfortunately, corrective color is also an expensive process. Maybe she should seriously invest in a wig if it bothers her that much. The color will lighten up after a few shampoos, but she should not color it by herself again.

R551 Walmart CEO said on the Today Show that hair clippers and hair dye are the latest 2 items they’ve been selling out of. After hand sanitizer (week 1) toilet paper (week 2) and baking supplies (weeks 3,4) So your mom is not alone.

New thread. No bitching!

R557: What's the use if you're at home? I have salt'n pepper hair and a beard (look like Rick Grimes during his crazy years) and it is fine. I will get my shit together when I need to go back to the office (need a certain image at a digital agency after all). I like not obsessing over my hair, clothes, shoes etc, but won't let myself get fat! Been there and it takes forever to lose the weight.

Just watched this documentary on Influenza pandemic of 1918. History repeats itself because people especially LEADERS make the same mistakes over and over again. Weather it's trying to raise money for a war or calling off a quarantine too early. They do it over and over again. I wonder how the human race survives the abject idiocy of it's leaders.

[quote]R537 There might be a lag in the spread due to low density of population, but it's spreading.

That's what I keep thinking. I think the models for the US are wrong because they are using information from much more densely populated countries. Whereas the packed China, S. Korea, and most of Europe went up like wildfire, the US will be a slow burn. Especially once the idiot Repugs start letting everyone go out again too soon. I hope the blue states lock down their borders. Stupid fucking Repugs.

Summer will inevitably be cancelled

No beaches, no boardwalks, no amusement or water parks. No summer festivals, craft fairs, concerts, Fourth of July fireworks, picnics, barbeques, etc.

Sorry but it's just what you gotta do.

Summer will inevitably be cancelled

No beaches, no boardwalks, no amusement or water parks. No summer festivals, craft fairs, concerts, Fourth of July fireworks, picnics, barbeques, etc.

Sorry but it's just what you gotta do.

How about the classic Barbra/Judy duet Get Happy/ Happy Days Are Here Again? I did the last one and had trouble with finding the perfect Doris Day link someone else did the great Singing The Blues Away.

The problem is going to be that these idiots will reopen everything and there will be a two to three week delay before the next wave hits, maybe even a month because the cases won't overwhelm the hospital system so it might not show up too quickly, where every one of those idiots will be crowing about how awesome they were to get things back to normal so quickly. Meanwhile, their bullshit will start spreading to the other more responsible states.

Blue states, lock your borders now.

I did this when I thought this thread was deleted I was very upset.

How about this one? Do you like ?

r566....get a grip!

Now we fucking have TWO 34s!!!

R551 Sounds like your mother's newly dyed hair is too brassy. She needs purple shampoo to gently get the brass out with each wash. You can get that at Walgreens or get it delivered from Amazon, they have a brand called Joico Color Balance Purple Shampoo-Conditioner

Now that was funny. Even funnier if Norma did that to Rosalind in The Women

There are THREE R569

Here is the first one

R562, I hope you're wrong about the 4th of July. I have an Atlantic City trip planned for that time.

I think Sylvia started two. I can’t see either title. The usual mo. She can’t post without using the word fucking. I don’t need to use that word to make a point and I don’t have a college degree, dear.

I started two threads also but one was because I thought one was deleted

Sorry I like Kate Bush but I’m not familiar with all her work.

I think Sylvia started two. I can’t see either title. The usual mo. She can’t post without using the word fucking. I don’t need to use that word to make a point and I don’t have a college degree, dear.

I started two threads also but one was because I thought one was deleted

Sorry I like Kate Bush but I’m not familiar with all her work.

[quote]Summer will inevitably be cancelled

I was talking to my sister the other night (I'm in New York, she's in Texas) who said she thinks people should just effectively "write off" the rest of 2020 and just make peace with the fact that we're not going to be able to get out and enjoy life again until 2021. Extreme perhaps but maybe she's right?

I did a search on the first page I saw Lean on me and Take my breath away ( which is good but I didn’t see a link) are the only ones on the first page. It doesn’t matter to me which one is used but it is a fact Sylvia has been ignored by many.

R576, I think your sister is right. Think about it. We’re maybe at the top of the curve, or close to it. By the time anybody can realistically walk out the door without fear, it’s maybe July or August, at the earliest. I don’t mean walk out the door looking like a spaceman. I mean live normally.

Flu season kicks off in October. Then voting is the beginning of November. If it’s still around, everyone’s going to get infected then.

The idea of going to work in July, August and September in person, then hole up again in maybe November, isn’t going to realistically work for business owners. They’re paying rent on closed businesses. So lay off, then hire, then maybe fire when you go bankrupt? It’s a mess.

It would probably be better to have uniform open and close dates, Based on how many cases or some such. Make a formula that can be applied to all states. If X % of the population is having new cases per day, it’s time to open the doors. Business owners need to make money, but if people are too scared to go in, it doesn’t matter what Trump says. 10% of your former customers doesn’t keep the doors open. I saw something on TV about this, business owners talking about paying rent and other unavoidable bills, no matter what. There’s only so much they can drop their overhead. It would actually be better for everyone financially if the time to live under emergency rules was longer and not shorter.

Fending for yourself in Great Depression 2.0 is just going to make it worse.

Agree ^^^

There is so much we have yet to learn about this disease, and, like it or not, it's going to take time and patience.

The last thing we need is a President who thinks it absolutely fine to play around with the lives of others just so he can continue pump up his private business interests, and pad his personal bank accounts.

what exactly is STILL taking so long to make widely available testing?

we can't "reopen" the economy until we know who has coronavirus and who doesn't.

Trump is a liar.

That's why it's taking so long.

Trump is a liar.

That's why it's taking so long.

Bajour!

🤣 Bazinga !

YOU know a lot's been said, and Bil Maher even went on a rant about the wet markets and the bat eating Asians. But First of all very few if any of us know what extreme poverty is in developing nations. Our standard of living in America is so high our poor are better off than the poorest of other countries. For centuries the poorest have subsisted on weird shit. In the tropics they eat bugs. And even here in American there are plenty of backward people who lived rough in rural areas, the rural poor, who ate squirrels, possums, and even rats.

If China banned these markets permanently, these countries have underground economies and poor people who will still do it. There are millions of people living in China, and the rural poor are a huge problem for them. So you can point the finger of blame, but it is going to be damned near impossible to erase these practices.

R578 The thing is, no one seems to have a plan for how to do this, or even a clue. No one seems to know how to treat it medically either. Everybody’s just winging it, trying to keep their heads above water and hiding in their homes because NO ONE HAS A FUCKING CLUE what to do. Least of all Trump.

[quote]But First of all very few if any of us know what extreme poverty is in developing nations.

China has the second largest economy in the world

You can't really directly compare American and Chinese wages. If you do straight-up currency conversion, American wages are a lot higher... but living costs in China for MOST things are a fraction of what they are in the US. If you define "wealth" as having an 84" 4k TV, three 32" computer monitors, a new laptop every other year, a new phone every year, and things like that, you can live like a king in China for half of what you'd make in the US. If you want a BMW or Mercedes, though, forget it... you'd have to be the equivalent of a billionaire to afford an imported luxury car.

Lower-class housing in China is really cheap... but about on par with an inner-city housing project that's new, but shoddy. Middle-class housing in China is about the same as the US. Luxury housing is a lot more expensive, especially if you want lots of land... weirdly, residential land in China is shockingly expensive, even in places "out west" where there's seemingly immense empty tracts of it. China's government basically treats land sales as a profit center, and limits the amount of new land allowed to hit the market to keep prices propped up. And unlike the US, where suburbs were able to expand onto vast tracts of privately-owned farmland, in China, most undeveloped land is government-owned... so until the government decides to allow it to be sold, it's not available at ANY price.

They don't eat weird stuff because they are poor, they eat it because they have a superstition about certain animal parts being good for your heart or liver or good to make you potent. Younger people are trying to get away from a lot of those superstitions. There is a huge black market worth billions of dollars to the Chinese gov. They claim it is illegal but those markets are already up and running again.

Guardian-It’s a grim truth that times are good for the coffin business when they’re bad for people, and the coronavirus pandemic is no exception. At a factory belonging to Europe’s largest coffin maker, OGF, in eastern France, workers are doing overtime to meet demand from families parting with their loved ones. “Due to the epidemic, we decided to manufacture just four models of coffins that are top sellers with families” compared to the 15 types usually on offer, said factory director Emmanuel Garret. The change “allowed us to optimise production”, he added. Output has risen to 410 coffins per day, compared to 370 normally.

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BBC-A police officer’s hand was cut off as he stopped people from violating the lockdown in the northern Indian state of Punjab. Two of his colleagues were also injured in the attack. The incident happened in Patiala district when a car rammed into a police checkpoint. The occupants of the car then left the vehicle and attacked the officers. At least three attackers, who are reportedly from a religious sect, have been arrested.

R559 I wish I had your self control. At this point I don't care anymore I'm gonna get out of this with twice my initial volume.

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