FRESH PRINCE OF BEL HEIR

DL called it.

Did they hear the border was closing on the wireless?

They should have stayed in Canada.

Yes DL called it months ago. The pandemic gives Meghan the excuse, little bitch. The Scum's report is odd because the border closed days ago, right?

[quote] They should have stayed in Canada.

Nevah her intention.

We don't want them. Buh-bye.

DL really did call this months ago. Wow so they just used and abused the Canadian taxpayer or are they planning on doing something to repay?

[quote] "News of the shock move came as US entertainment giant Disney yesterday pushed ahead with the release of a charity film about elephants, for which Meghan provides the voiceover. The deal is believed to have been done after Harry cornered the company’s boss Bob Iger at the premiere of The Lion King in London last year."

Pandemic victim Prince Charles will still be paying the bills then, for their charity work.

I would think the dears would be safer in Vancouver. LA will be a blaze with corpses in a week.

Hmm fleeing life under the microscope to life ... under the microscope?

Given the current situation, that island in Vancouver would've been a much better place to stay.

R9 She wants to be closer to her mom, like anyone will believe that. I assume Meghs expects a pile up of bodies in LA (2m?) with real estate prices crashing so she can buy up a huge place or places on the cheap with Charles' money.

Didn't they say they wouldn't live in the US until Trump was out of office?

LIARS!

^^^You are correct, Madam.

Yes liars, but nobody ever believed their b/s. Only they are deluded. And what is Harry's immigration status in the US; does he have one of those Einstein green cards like Melanoma?

Harry Eh?

His real name is Henry

What I want to know is, did Prince Harry enter the country on a diplomatic passport? Are the US taxpayers paying any of their security costs through the Diplomatic Security Service, as a result?

R15 Meghan is a US citizen, so it wouldn't be hard for Harry to get permission to live here.

[quote] DL really did call this months ago. Wow so they just used and abused the Canadian taxpayer or are they planning on doing something to repay?

They take but don't repay. I assume that the DC federal gubmint will now have to pay for the royal protection even though they are not supposed to be royal anymore, because they are internationally protected persons. Or will CA have to pay? What a time to make the move, but as said up-thread, she was planning this all along and the pandemic seems to be the best cover she could ever have hoped for.

They are seriously deluded that they have any glamour for corporate marketing or show biz.

[quote] Are the US taxpayers paying any of their security costs through the Diplomatic Security Service, as a result?

Yes, all of them

I had to get out of the glare, out of the spotlight, out of the artificiality of London! So I knew I would be happier with the people of Los Angeles, where everyone is "just folks"!

[quote] His real name is Henry

When I was a young'un the BBC used to refer to him as, "The infant Prince Henry of Wales."

When did this flight from Canada take place exactly? It's all been kept very quiet.

They've done nothing but bitch and moan about wanting privacy and how much they hate all the media attention, so they move to fucking Los Angeles?

[quote] "The bombshell move — dubbed Megxit 2"

What bombshell? DL had is sussed months ago. Obviously The Sun should read DL.

People in LA and NYC are under quarantine and worried about how they are going to pay April's rent. And these two move to LA with a swimming pool and tennis court. And they want to run a charitable foundation? Tone deaf, much?

R27 The apple falls close to the tree. Charles brings coronavirus to Scotland, when it was advised by the government to not leave London for the country. And Charles gets a test without meeting NHS criteria. Oh, and the brother fled to the country as well.

[quote] Oh, and the brother fled to the country as well.

Brother?

Good point r27. People are shitting themselves over finances and not being able to pay rent or mortgages and these two swoop into LA and get a big house. This couldn't be worse timing to do that. What is so imperative that they move now? They can't stay on their island for awhile longer?

Because the virus hasn't even touch Los Angeles. So stupid.

[quote] Because the virus hasn't even touch Los Angeles. So stupid.

She doesn't care. Hal and the child may die on the alter of the Megh's ambition. The widowed mother of a dead child might suit her.

Her ambition has brought her a voiceover gig. It's a start.

Cunts

[quote] a voiceover gig

Don't need to have made all this fuss on both sides of the Atlantic for ... a voiceover gig.

Who's paying the rent?

Way to vector the disease around North America, assholes.

They were never going to stay in Canada for long. Never. Not even for a while. It might be a but of surprise that the move happened now, but this was always Markle's master plan. Commonwealth country, my ass. Service to the queen, my ass.

Markle is a fucking grifter. Crying poor mouth but eyeing a $7 million house in LA. As soon as asshole Trump closed the border China and Europe, she knew to pack her bags that night. Did they get Charles to pay for LA before he caught the corona? I'm sure they did.

DL echoed what the entire world called. There was no great insight here, ladies.

R38 Ladies? So you are the Daily Mail mouthbreathers. Thanks for the confirmation.

I guess they flew privately just after she dictated that he was NOT to fly to see his dad...shameless...

Yes so shameless. Lol. And I bet she did it while not wearing stockings and eating an avocado all while plotting her narcissistic revenge on the BRF whilst she was recharging Archies batteries. Harry was eyeing up the Blue-eyed blonde stewardess who looked like Chelsey. He then did a line of coke and banged her while Meghan was instagramming her latest pic.

The owner of the Vancouver island property probably decided they wanted to stay there to wait out the coronavirus. Grifters got kicked out!

These two pieces of shit are such famewhores. They said they wanted to get away from prying eyes, yet move to land of paparazzi.🙄 So full of shit.

I fucking hate that cunt and her equally cunty toady.

LA has a total of 1,300 coronavirus cases and 30 deaths as of Thu 3-26-20

Whilst they are a few steps lower than flap snot and dribble piss, I'm just a little enraged that they're sucking up any resource the USA is required to expend.

So the US now has to pay approx $30 million a year for their 12 RPO's to be paid, flown, housed, fed as well as given armored cars and guns?

Why because they are "diplomatic persons"?

That's not going to fly with the American taxpayers. At ALL.

No way they will be able to use public funds in America.

Why does anyone believe that the federal or state government would make provision for their security at no cost to them? They are private citizens.

R49 It really depends on what passport he used. The royals tend to have diplomatic passports. If he entered the country on one of those passports, the US is stuck, because of international treaties and laws. He would also be exempt from prosecution for most crimes. Now, Meghan would be a different story because she is a US citizen, so she wouldn't be entitled to any public protection beyond that available to US citizens.

I remember some discussion about her giving up her US citizenship. But I imagine the timing of her leaving London had something to do with that. Harry is a schmuck.

Harry is going to be lost.

Not that it's of any consequence, but I wonder what the people of Canada thinking knowing that Vancouver was just a pit stop of lies and the whole, vague bullshit "spending time in North America." Yeah right, when it was Malibu all the time. It never was going to be Canada ever. It's only been Canada for two months. Yeah, Markle was going to settle for walking the dogs in the middle of the fucking Canadian woods.

1) this is surprisingly tone deaf, even for them. Not only flying in a private plane, for which they’ve already received a lot of criticism, but also fucking flying internationally when everyone is being told to stay in place. How can they spin this as anything but pure selfishness from the wokest, most caring people in the world?

2) I wonder if she’ll start doing those inane celebrity “stay at home” Instagram videos where they try to show how “we’re all in this together” except we’re not.

It would have been uncivilized to expect dear, sweet Meghan to live in that dump on an island for one moment longer.

Children's book title: How To Hold the Hell Out Of Your Baby

So these two selfish entitled cunts swan in to Canada for a few months, soak Canadian taxpayers for their security costs while they are here, then swan off to LA 3 days before Canada is about to terminate footing their security bill, and not even a thank you!

I hope they both perish in the most horridly painful manner possible. Entitled CUNTS!

They are vile grifters of the highest order.

This is so completely tone deaf, even for them.

Don't tell me they have an army of advisors around them? Not sure if any human brains can come up with this idiotic move. Tone-deaf and hypocritical.

Obviously Harry is a psychological trainwreck and Meghan is fully exploiting that.

Yes, many of us here called that move when Harry got on his knees to propose.

LA has two more cheap grifters.

Changed website to:

Sussex Dude Royal

Wow!

Not that I'm surprised but the horrible news in the UK and the USA with the virus and these two just keep on with their shit.

I think this has put paid to any possibility that Harry will ever go back to the UK again.

Any remaining sympathy for the "boy who walked behind the coffin" is gone. Over. Destroyed. Pissed on. Turned to shit.

It now seems that this is who Harry has been all along.

R54. Given the state of affairs in this virus-laden world right now, their move to the US, i.e., flying on a private plane, flying internationally, leaving Canada "suddenly" (it's been planned for months and months even if it weren't specifically planned at this moment), won't cause a blip. People have other things on their mind besides this D-list Ms. Grifter and her ginger dolt.

This is absolutely the worst possible time for them to be doing this.

Next up on the Ginger Megs train wreck playlist: Separation announcement this summer

r66

They had to do it before the border was sealed

Well it is not like they made a announcement about the move. The ubiquitous "Royal Insider" broke the story. The BRF is still trashing Meghan and Harry. I cannot for the life of me understand why people do not get why Meghan and Harry wanted out of that viper pit.

The Canadians did not want them in their country, so they left.

Lots of racists on this thread.

Typical.

The US is not paying for their security. We don't fund "Royalty" in America. Their no longer working "Royals" anyway. Their not America's problem in terms of funding them, that's on the UK to look after them. I don't think that's something that should be put the American taxpayers to pay for their safety and security.

We fund the secret service for presidents and first ladies while their in office, and post white house life till the grave. But not members of the BRF. Our constitution prohibits anything that has to do with "Royalty." And that's the way it is.

I'm not paying for those two. Former presidents and first ladies, and other governmental officials, yes. But not members of the BRF.

Fuck that.

Get ready to see them even more in Daily Mail. The Kardashians, Jennifer Aniston and Ben Affleck have some competition.

So, did they find another millionaire to give them a house rent-free?

[quote]So, did they find another MARK/SUCKER to give them a house rent-free?

Trash being trash getting dumped in junkyard Hollywood now. Trashily proper.

[quote] Lots of racists on this thread. Typical.

This may be a HHHHHUUUUUGGGGEEEE intellectual leap for you, R71, but everything related to the Harkles is not all about the amount of melanin in Meg’s skin.

It actually has more to do with their appalling behaviour.

Get over yourself and the worn out racist tropes.

[quote] The Canadians did not want them in their country, so they left.

We (Angelenos) don’t want them either.

I thought there was more Corbyn in California than Canada. They must really want that Hollywood celebrity lifestyle and money.Sorry Harry ain't buying your bullshit you want a nice quiet life out of the spotlight and media attention when you are moving to the global and celebrity media capital of the world. I thought you said having your photo taken traumatised you because of what happened to your mother yet you will now have more cameras and spotlights on you than ever before. Lying disingenuous professional victim.

Your just a posh whore Harry no more no less.Posh but definitely a whore.

R69, isn't People magazine seen to be the unofficial way for celebs to break news?

What confirms for me that the People story came straight from them is that it only mentions M's family and friends being in LA, and that "Harry is looking straight ahead at his future with his family.... They will be spending time in California…He’s not looking back.”

So it's PR spin. It's not a career/glamour move, guys! We're family-oriented humanitarians! Harry has no regrets!

[quote]I thought you said having your photo taken traumatised you because of what happened to your mother yet you will now have more cameras and spotlights on you than ever before. Lying disingenuous professional victim.

R78. She's got me by the nuts. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

For a couple who crave privacy and don't want the media to bother them, what better place to live than Los Angeles?

R42 might have the answer. A remote location is highly desirable right now. The owner probably wants his house back.

First stop!

And by the time October rolls around...

Is Charles really rich enough that he can support these two in the kind of Holllywood A-List, globe-trotting lifestyle they feel that they're entitled to? Charles is rich, of course, but these two clearly want to live like David Geffen or George Clooney. Does Charles really have THAT kind of money?

"I cannot for the life of me understand why people do not get why Meghan and Harry wanted out of that viper pit. "

I actually do understand. I totally understand why Harry feels unhappy with his role, and when the engagement was announced, I said that no American was going to be able to tolerate life in the BRF and there would be trouble in the future. So, if these two were willing to give up the perks of royal life and live on their own terms, I'd be cheering them on!

But they're not willing to give up the perks of royal life, they expect Harry's family and the taxpayers of many nations to pay for the lifestyle they believe they're entitled to. For that, they deserve to be thrashed from one end of the internet to the other, and personally I'm absolutely amazed how little effect the abuse and mockery is having. They're just keeping on keeping being stupid and greedy.

In Los Angeles they are simply two of all kinds of other high profile people here and with everything on lockdown it does seem the perfect time to slip in and settle. No photogs to bug them because we are all under stay at home orders. AS long as wherever they are living is sanitized and stocked with food, they can quarantine like the rest of Los Angeles until the 19th or beyond then baseball hat and sunglasses they are good to go. So much of the city will be trying to recover its bearings, I don't think they'll have that much trouble maintaining a livable level of privacy.

I also can't believe people put stock in the story that she told him he couldn't see Prince Charles. Prince Charles is in quarantine and as someone coming into the country Harry would have had to go into quarantine for 2 weeks as a precaution and he wouldn't have been able to see any of his family. Why spend two weeks in isolation in England when he has a wife and child?

It's interesting that, here anyway, few people in this thread are of the opinion that he's been looking for a way out if not for a good deal of his life, then when his brother started having kids. When the reality of what being the spare means in the line of succession. He found a way out and he took it. I doubt he was looking to be locked down in Canada for the rest of his life.

Lol in r78 I meant more coronavirus not Corbyn!!

"It's interesting that, here anyway, few people in this thread are of the opinion that he's been looking for a way out if not for a good deal of his life, then when his brother started having kids."

R87, I agree that he's been unhappy and looking for a way out for years, and I suspect that one of the big reasons he married Meg and not some other woman, is that she was willing to help him leave the BRF. However, I think that in the process of leaving she made him a lot of promises she couldn't keep, such as earning megabucks through social media influencing, and she also made him some promises she didn't intend do keep.

Such as planning to live on his terms and not hers, and do what made HIM happy and fulfilled, and he isn't the one who's always dreamed of living the LA high life.

Why should they give a fuck what any of you think about where they live? Jesus Christ.

R89, you’re hilarious, pretending you know these people.

Uh, because they need the public to recognize and “love” them in order to make money, r90?

R91, I'm living under lockdown, I have absolutely nothing better to do right now than pretend I know these people.

As a native Angeleno, my only reaction is “FUCK NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!”

But since it is inevitable, nothing warms my black heart more than to see useless cunts come to LA, thinking that they’ll be top dog, running in entertainment A-list circles, only to find out rather quickly that they’re drowning financially, socially and emotionally. Seen it happen a million times before. Harry will literally lose his mind after a short time, that I guarantee. No way can a pampered, indolent shit-for-brains survive here. It does piss me off that, regardless of the outcome, that cunt Meghan got everything she wanted.

When do I see my cousins?

on the plus side, Harry can start hanging out with Ben Barnes.

What a pair of embarrassing assholes.

Prediction for MM: Real Housewives of Beverly Hills star in 10 months.

Grifter Megs is way beyond reality TV league. Her next money-spinner is an expose, a la her late Mum-in-law, once Ginger bails. She's probably been in quiet contact with several ghost writers for a while.

R99 is correct. With the expose and the search for the next husband, it'll be years before she ends up on "Real Housewives"!

DL didn't call it months ago, it was reported that they were looking to settle in California last year, then of course all the articles in January and February about them going back to LA and loving it there.

[quote]It's interesting that, here anyway, few people in this thread are of the opinion that he's been looking for a way out if not for a good deal of his life, then when his brother started having kids.

Not that interesting. These threads are mostly the miserable whiny Daily Mail bitches who project their own disappointments onto the Sussexes. A few of us have posted links to old articles and that interview where Harry clearly wanted out of the BRF about the time that he was forced out of the military, which he didn't feel he needed to do since William and Kate were already having kids and Harry was not that high in the line of succession anymore.

But the people who populate these threads don't want to hear that, they have to, for some reason I don't really care to investigate, believe that Meghan hatched a plan as a teenager to steal him away from his family and make millions doing so, because everyone knows you get filthy rich by... giving up royal wealth and perks? Apparently?

Fuck off with these propaganda threads.

r102 His widely publicised escape plan for years was to move to Africa, do Charity work, and probably hunt the odd animal on the side. I doubt until last year he'd put much thought into his new life being a B-list socialite in LA.

Harry said he loved Africa for years but the plan to move there didn't get mentioned in the press until 2019, and that was really only a comment from "sources" saying that he and Meghan were going to settle in a commonwealth somewhere.

Even in the Town & Country interview in 2017, he never mentioned moving there, just spending more time there. There was no "publicized escape plan to move to Africa."

Time is not on her side.

r105 So in 2017 he gives an interview about wanting to spend more time in Africa, in 2018 he quits the military and by your own admission gives hints he wants out, and since 2018 a majority of his foreign charity work and royal duties have been focused in Africa. But the bright lights of Hollywood were always his aim?

I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about, R107. I said nothing about Hollywood.

r108 I'm saying he's been mainly focused on Africa for years. He's been running charities in Lesotho for over a decade, God when he was banging Chelsy Davy there were rumours he was going to run off and become a Zimbabwean farmer. A move to Africa wouldn't have been unexpected after all he's said and done. A move to LA is definitely is.

Okay r109 but that has nothing to do with what I said at R102, and since we're not talking about the same thing, you'll understand if I bow out of this alleged discussion.

[quote]We fund the secret service for presidents and first ladies while their in office, and post white house life till the grave.

Bill Clinton ended this. Then Obama brought lifetime security back..

[quote] Not that interesting. These threads are mostly the miserable whiny Daily Mail bitches who project their own disappointments onto the Sussexes.

I don't think the problem are Daily Mail transplants. Daily Mail comments are short-- you can't post more than two or three sentences (I used to comment on Daily Mail Melania stories but I got banned over and over for referring to her status as our First Naked Lady).

What we have here on DL are idiots who were banned from royal family forums. You can tell because they use refer to those forums in their posts. They also tend to use idiosyncratic names for Harry and Meghan -- "Harkle," "Sparkle," "Me-again," and so on. Their posts are not short, not funny and not insightful. They are just sad, and they ruin what could be a fun topic.

You can know people by their actions. Formal introduction isn’t alway necessary...

Never thought people could be this extremely tone-deaf. But they just showed me some people can.

R72 You are conflating the US Secret Service, who provides security for Presidents, First Ladies, and foreign heads of state on state visits, etc... and the Diplomatic Security Service. The DSS is a completely separate organization under the Department of State. The DSS provides security for foreign dignitaries in the US. While Harry is no longer a working royal, it completely depends on the type of passport he entered the country on. If he entered on a diplomatic passport, than he is a foreign dignitary and eligible for DSS provided security.

As for the constitution prohibiting anything to do with royalty, it says no such thing. If, we are providing security, it isn't because he a royal but because he is classified as a foreign dignitary.

[quote]If, we are providing security, it isn't because he a royal but because he is classified as a foreign dignitary.

I wonder where that stops? The 6th in line to the throne of England shouldn't be considered a foreign dignitary.

R116 Exactly.

And is DSS funded through taxpayer dollars? Because if so, I don't think people here are going to like that very much. I say this as someone who doesn't mind Meghan and Harry, but as someone who would never want to fund anything even hinting at "Royalty." That's a real problem for me.

R116 In regards to the US, it isn't about where he is in the line of succession, it has to do with his passport and the status it provides.

Nice timing. Guess Markle was sick of being ignored by the tabloids due to the GLOBAL PANDEMIC. This latest move was her desperate way to stay relevant. Bitch.

[quote]Fuck off with these propaganda threads.

Sorry Meghan, you scraped and clawed your way in to the crosshairs of fame, but sadly you exposed who you really are in the process.

“She’s Repugnant!”

Why exactly is it your business where they live? You people are fucking idiots.

If Harry and Meghan were doing all this on their own nickel and planning to climb the greasy pole in LA through sheer moxie and effort, I'd applaud them.

That is NOT how they are doing it. Boo to them.

When people’s tax dollars are involved, it is indeed a matter of public interest where they live. Do you want to pay for a couple of freeloading ex-royals? Who’s the idiot, then?

[quote]This has definitely been the plan since the beginning. As I mentioned in previous posts, my source said that he was told (and sworn to secrecy) last summer that they were planning to move to LA and the move to Canada was basically a way for them to try to make it look less like they were abandoning the U.K.

This quote* is from a poster on a blog who has been updating periodically thanks to a “connection” involving H and M. They have long been posting that a move to LA was desired. As early as last summer.

Also, Caitlin Jenner publicly mentioned some time ago that the pair were house-hunting in LA.

Methinks the whole Canadian stopover was a ruse.

Apologies to Canadians. You were used (physically and financially) for your tenuous links to The Commonwealth.

But isn’t that Markle’s specialty: using people, places, things and countries? Who would have ever thought she would have siphoned millions of dollars from unsuspecting Canadian taxpayers? (They should demand a refund.)

She IS repugnant.

[quote]Who would have ever thought she would have siphoned millions of dollars from unsuspecting Canadian taxpayers?

Which makes me wonder how much more will she get away with because she's married to a royal.

[quote]When people’s tax dollars are involved, it is indeed a matter of public interest where they live. Do you want to pay for a couple of freeloading ex-royals? Who’s the idiot, then?

There is not a single place she could live or thing she could do, then do the opposite, that won't have nutcases in your circle-jerk (because no one else will have you) criticize it. You're just all gone. Abnormal people obsessed with nonsense.

[quote]Abnormal people obsessed with nonsense.

Defending and justifying horrendous behaviour and staggering amounts of money loss thanks to Harry and Megs?

You’ve succinctly described yourself above there with your own quote, R127.

(And, no I’m not the person you’ve been responding to.)

The neverending Harry and Meghan fuckery is a nice diversion from real news.

R128, I don't even know WTF you're even talking about. Disney? Frogmore? That's how much I couldn't give a shit about them. I just cant get over how sad you people are. You are in fact losers. You think you know every fucking thing about these people. GET A LIFE. Is there nothing going on in Canada or the UK or wherever the fuck you're from? Because I know you're not American.

I'd say this was fine due to quarantine, but you loons have been doing this every fucking day for however the fuck long they've been married, Your entire life is a fucking quarantine and your only source of light is from a computer screen obsessed with these strangers.

And that'll be my final response because I usually put these threads on ignore. Can't stand the sight of them and you psychos constantly refreshing to like each others responses or immediately respond to every comment like it's your only source of oxygen.

[quote] [R128], I don't even know WTF you're even talking about. Disney? Frogmore?

Thank you again for adroitly making my point, R130 and R127.

You. Do. Not. Know.............a great deal.

Please - and Thank You - keep your ignorance to yourself.

It’s a matter of degree, but Harry and Meghan in my view are no different from the kleptocrats you read about — the ones with fleets of Mercedes robbing the public purse while their people try to get by on a dollar a day. It’s the same mindset of arrogance and entitlement. I’m glad they’re out of my country and I’m angry we spent even a nickel on them.

To reference something I posted in a related thread, do you think Meghan will ever get to play an elephant again?

R127 - start a thread about your sexually abusive father, and we will go there and shit-talk about him. Now we really do need something to take our mind off this calamitous pandemic.

She could play an ageing Becky Sharp in yet another film adaptation of Vanity Fair.

Where are they staying. With Doria?

r137 Depends. Does Doria own a gated mansion in a nice area? If not no. And nor can she visit without at least 4 days notice.

OMG Doria is in lockdown?

[quote]Suicidally-depressed drunken syphilitic inept young Prince with abandonment issues falls in unrequited love with the literal personification of Death

So we're back to to Harry and Meghan?

r139 It's really more of a lockout.

R141 whatever do you mean? Where are the young people going to live in plague-ridden LA?

The US and CA govts are going to pay a lot of money in security. All on your dime.

I apologise about my reply at r140. I really did post it in the thread about the saddest songs from musicals. But how appropriate it ended up here too.

Sometimes DL gets wonky, you know, but was this coincidence?

R144 is drunk again, always about this time.

No, I really only posted it in the saddest musical songs thread. Are you stalking me AGAIN, r145?

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

r144 Muriel is having a tough time like the rest of us. The amount of STDs she's acquired over the years requires a pretty strict quarantine, and the booze must be running low by now. A few crossed wires are to be expected

r146 you're nobody on DL until you have a stalker lol!

Old article R147.

[quote]But how long will it be before the Duke and Duchess of Sussex – especially the duke – begin to experience niggling regrets?

Okay even for the Daily Mail that's fucking low.

R151 Stop being ignorant. Niggling has no connection to the other word.

No it doesn't, but really the use of the word niggling was pretty much done on purpose.

Oh please.

R153 The Daily Mail is British where niggling is a common word. If you watch British television, they use it a lot with absolutely no racial connotation.

But in the context they knew what they were doing. Sneaky bastards.

Markle is truly a piece of work.

Not even married two years to Harry.

This is going to be an interesting year to watch her grift and grovel in LA.

Hang on DLers, this train (wreck) is picking up steam......

R15 Only to people like you who want to see racism in everything.

R152 Mike: You don't have to snigger like that.

Archie: Don't you know the 'delecant' word for that is 'snegro.'

Married for less than two years and have already had five homes in three countries.

Petra Manor in the old R147 link comes at $200,000 per month. How are they going to afford that?

[quote]How are they going to afford that?

AirBNB Frogmore Cottage.

$200,000 per month: that's a lot of 'charity' voice overs, Meghs.

I assume her case against the Daily Fail is on hold while the pandemic rages. That's going to cost her $$$. She's just not a very good manager.

Prince Harry BLOW: 'Selfish' Harry should've come back to UK amid crisis - expert.

This is from the Daily Excess, which pisses me off with their capital letters. Does anyone else hate the Excess?

Still, the article is fairly interesting if you overlook the appalling layout.

MONEY MOVE Harry and Meghan quit Canada for Los Angeles to avoid paying tax in two countries

It seems to me that this move might save tax for Meghs but Harry will have to pay tax in two countries, subject to the US/UK double tax treaty, assuming he is allowed to reside permanently in the US (is he allowed to permanently reside?).

We are concerned for them.

There is no way Kate is becoming queen unless Charles dies first; it's true he has the virus so I suppose that's what R167 means.

Rolls eyes at R153.

R166 America is very liberal, compared to the UK, in allowing spouses of citizens to live in the country, especially if they are rich. Plus, as I mentioned earlier, if he entered the country on a diplomatic passport, the usual rules don't apply. I, also, think he would be exempt from most US taxes. I have a feeling it was different in Canada, as the UK Royal Family, is also the Canadian Royal Family. It would legally be difficult for him to claim diplomatic status in a realm of the Crown.

I seriously doubt that the US or CA government will provide free security for H & M.

R171 Your absolutely right. They won't.

There would be no double taxation for MM. She will pay a fraction more tax in the US than she would have in BC, assuming she’s at the top marginal rate.

R173 is right. The US taxes it's citizens abroad already, so she has been subject to US tax all this time. Usually there is a reckoning instrument used by accountants so that an individual's tax paid in one country is not fully replicated in another.

Another bullshit lie from the Harkles' PR team to hide the fact that this was the plan all along and Canada was used as a pitstop to make the Queen and Charles think they would continue to support the Commonwealth and therefore give them a sweeter deal.

[quote]to make the Queen and Charles think they would continue to support the Commonwealth and therefore give them a sweeter deal.

I think the Queen is smarter than that. I think she had Meghan's number from the start and knew that they would eventually end up in LA. Charles, on the other hand, is a dolt and probably had only the best thoughts for them.

[quote]The US and CA govts are going to pay a lot of money in security. All on your dime.

No they are not. The US and CA governments don't pay for security for former Z-list failed actresses, who are a dime-a-dozen in LA. Does the government pay for Tara Reid's security??

[quote]Stop being ignorant. Niggling has no connection to the other word.

They could have said "nagging regrets," or "lingering regrets." Instead they chose this word for a reason.

LOL at r177.

What about 'nigging' regrets, spoken in my best Australian?

R177 is bound and DETERMINED to find something “way-cyst” about everything to do with Megs.

Never mind her mendacious, disgusting behaviour.

[quote] Usually there is a reckoning instrument used by accountants

Do you mean instrument as in document? Do you mean the double tax treaty?

R177 will look for the Ethiopian in the woodpile in any event.

Yes, r181.

R177, Please do not comment on anyone else's use of the English language when your own vocabulary is so limited. The phrases "nagging regrets" and "lingering regrets" do not mean the precisely the same thing as the phrase "niggling regrets".

"I seriously doubt that the US or CA government will provide free security for H & M. "

The governor of California is currently trying to keep a pandemic from devastating his voters, with nothing but "fuck yous" from the Federal Government, he isn't going to allow a fucking penny to go their way. He's had to do too much unpopular shit anyway, the entire state is sheltering in place and losing money.

But who knows about Trump. He doesn't care much about the pandemic, and is probably just as much a celebrity ass-kisser as he ever was. He'll probably tell the Secret Service to get out there and mind the baby and do the coffee runs if that's what Meghan wants.

R184 she's publicly criticized him, so I doubt it

r184, She has been very critical of him. Also, he loves the Queen and if it's true that the BRF want Harry home during the virus, it could well be that the Queen fails to put in a request for their protection to Trump, which is the only way he'd bother lifting a finger for the Harkles.

Trump has called her "nasty" and said "I don't know her."

He calls everyone 'nasty' and says 'I don't know her' before going on, in the same breath to say, 'She did some good work for me.'

R186 You are delusional. Elizabeth cannot just call Trump ask the president of the United states to use American taxpayer resources to fund security for members of her family. Funding "Royals" is not the responsibility of the American taxpayers.

The UK taxpayers should foot that bill. That's not our responsibility in America. Especially if their going to live here. People in this country would raise holy hell about American taxpayers having to finance their security. The constitution would be brought up so quickly it would make your damn head spin.

Elizabeth doesn't have any pull in America. Our constitution made sure of that.

[quote] The constitution would be brought up so quickly it would make your damn head spin.

What part of the constitution R189, and does Trump care ('the pesky foreign emoluments clause')?

R189 A Head of State has the pull to ask another country to protect a dignitary. What part of that do you not understand? It all depends on Harry's classification and status.

The bits about the Queen and the BRF wanting Harry home during the virus crisis is bollocks. Family aren't allowed near, anyway, and if any three people are getting exceptional care during their quarantine, it's HM, Philip, and Charles. With the Cambridges, Yorks, and Wessexes all nearby, they no more need Harry than they need a hangnail.

Harry can't do any more in Britain for his "family" than he can by telephone from L.A. The real issue was not about "helping" his family out, because they don't need him, but the increasing optic that despite his and Meghan's protestations over the last couple of months, they are now completely separated from Harry's country and country to which Meghan has applied for citizenship.

That's the optics at work here. With every next move, Meghan and Harry make it plain that they aren't, really, members of the family at all any longer, and the Queen's silly hope that leaving them their HRHs and the Sussex name would reel them back in was just that - silly. Meghan hates them and they hate her - Kate and William blanked Meghan at the Abbey and Harry was looking daggers at the back of Kate's head as they exited. End of the Happy Families facade.

If Harry applies for a Green Card, and then for US citizenship, he will have to state if he has a hereditary or noble title from his previous country; if he says, Yes, then he will also have to state whether he is willing to give that up to become an American citizen. What do you think he will say?

All of this shit is now to be worked out. The Queen would be doing the monarchy, the people of Britain, and the Sussexes if she just bites the bullet and severs the connections now instead of drawing this embarrassing farce out.

Then, in five years or so, instead of Meghan becoming a UK citizen, Harry can proudly take the oath of a new American and his "Just call me Harry" wish will come true.

R190 and R191 Harry left the BRF for a more normal life. I don't think America should have to pick up the security bill for him or his wife. They aren't working for the BRF any longer.

It's already been said that America will not finance security for them anyway. The BRF or UK Taxpayers will pay, but not the American government.

It's definitely not happening.

Americans fought and won two wars with Britain to be rid of "Royals" in our country. Not one dollar of taxpayer money is ever going to be spent on security for these grifters.

[quote] If Harry applies for a Green Card

He'll have to get one now or he can only stay at most 180 days per year. Green cards take a while but I suppose he will get a Melania green card, under the EB-1 program, a program designed for people with "extraordinary abilities."

R192 Some say he would have to give up his title if he became a citizen, but there are conflicting opinions on that. If you read the oath it would also seem to prohibit duel citizenship, but there are alot of duel citizens.

R192 Harry will not apply for citizenship. Meghs and Archie already have it. He doesn't need it or want it, provided he has the Einstein green card and doesn't slap Meghs in a fit of annoyance and get deported (her dream).

Meghs is safely back home with a rich husband who has no right to remain. What a mess, for Harry; he has no idea of the trouble he is in. Unless he has a visa or a green card, Harry has to leave within 90 days.

[quote] Americans fought and won two wars with Britain to be rid of "Royals" in our country. Not one dollar of taxpayer money is ever going to be spent on security for these grifters.

Does that include 1812 when I had to follow the president and flee DC before the Redcoats burned the WH to the ground?

Doesn't he get citizenship automatically by virtue of being married to a US citizen?

They could have lived a secluded live on Vancouver Island without top-level 24/7 bodyguards, but that will not be true of Los Angeles. And housing and other expenses are much higher in LA. So at a time when they've got no money coming in, they've hugely increased their living expenses with this move.

Again, neither of them can see the big picture or play the long game.

It seems not, R200.

Back to Frogmore then, R201.

Expect the divorce papers to be filed shortly, now that she is back in LA.

With no visa and no green card, Harry has to leave before end of June.

Maybe the 90 day visa rule is Harry's sneaky exit plan....

R205 is deeply unaware of the issues. Harry is a pussy-whipped pussy-boy. He is ovah, except to sign the alimony and child maintenance checks from the UK (or his doting dad will do that, if he survives).

Meghan Markle and Harry must return to UK to help Queen, says her dad Thomas

Shut up, Thomas! What the hell do you know, you poor white trash. We finally got rid of those grifters and you are wanting to send them back. Over Philip's dead body!!

Don't worry they never listen to Tom. He lives in Mexico, right?

The Royal House of Windsor on Boxing Day 2020.

R210 If that's going to be them, we will all go before.

R204 Which is why I suspect he entered on a diplomatic passport, no need for a visa or green card. Though, really, the rich do not follow the same immigration rules as the rest of us.

MM's imdb page, includes her wedding where she played "Self".

R213, that is hilarious.

r212 Harry does not now have diplomatic status, but has leaked to his favourite outlet the Telegraph that he "Fully expects to be given diplomatic status" now that he's in the US.

Somehow I don't think it's going to be as easy as all that if giving him Diplomatic status means the US taxpayer forking out for their 20 million pound (roughly $30 million dollar) a year security bill....

Americans can't hold titles of nobility issued BY AMERICA.

[quote]No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

This has nothing to do with Harry a private, non political person.

'WHY SHOULD WE PAY?' Harry and Meghan urged to pay £8million security bill as 90% of Brits and former minister ask ‘why should we foot bill?’

It seems is not quite as expensive as we thought but at £8m a year they will last less than 5 years provided they don't spend on anything else at all.

Let Charles pay. As my dear old friend Jeffrey would say, “not my baby, not gonna rock it”

Harry's mouthpiece isn't the Telegraph, per se, but Briony Gordon, the only journo on staff who constantly kisses the Harkles' arses in the paper. She is offset by Camilla Tomineym who writes the negative stuff. And, as Gordon admits up front in her piece talking about how she can't be the only person who was sad to see the Sussexes leave, she knows them personally - you know, enough for the occasional text between friends?

Note that no comments are allowed for that article - because Gordon and the Tellygraph know what would happen if they did.

As for Harry getting a diplomatic passport that allows him to evade rules the way he's done all his life and now Meghan is getting used to evading: on what grounds? He doesn't represent Britain, its monarchy, or its government. He has no diplomatic experience except carefully arranged second-tier tours, and the only thing he's evidenced in the last year is an inability to understand when and when not to keep his mouth - how that gets him a diplomatic passport is, er, mysterious.

The more coddling these two get with the optic of collusion by the BRF, the more damage the BRF risk in the already eroding support by the public for a monarchy at all.

This is a really bad time to be seen to help the wayward Prodigal and his grifter wife to taxpayer support, diplomatic immunity, and any other comfort that the BRF can find to help soften the mattress of the bed that Harry and Meghan alone made up for themselves.

Enough is enough.

When Trump said that after Brexit the US would make great trade deals with the UK, I didn't think he meant this.

Trump just tweeted:

[quote] I am a great friend and admirer of the Queen & the United Kingdom. It was reported that Harry and Meghan, who left the Kingdom, would reside permanently in Canada. Now they have left Canada for the U.S. however, the U.S. will not pay for their security protection. They must pay!

R221, Geez, it really pains me to find myself in agreement with him.

[quote]There would be no double taxation for MM.

Well, really, has she earned any income, anywhere? There may be no taxation at all.

[quote]If you read the oath it would also seem to prohibit duel citizenship, but there are alot of duel citizens.

Oh, dear.

TWICE!

[quote]As my dear old friend Jeffrey would say, “not my baby, not gonna rock it”

Or, in the words of a favorite fag hag:

Not my circus; not my monkeys.

Dear Diplomatic Passport Troll:

We heard you the first six times. Could you kindly, now, shut the fuck up?

One of the chicks dancing looks a lot like Meghan.

Given the state of her body, I guess the real Meghan'd love to look like the dancing Meghan lookalike chick.

I guess Harry'd love the real Meghan to look like the dancing Meghan lookalike chick, too.

Trump says US will not pay for Harry and Meghan's security. On Twitter, the US president made his position clear - but added he is "a great friend and admirer of the Queen & United Kingdom".

Now what for Ginge and Cringe?

This just gets worse and worse.

She was nasty.

Everyone hates her. She’s exhausting and dumb.

[quote]leaked to his favourite outlet the Telegraph that he "Fully expects to be given diplomatic status" now that he's in the US.

These two are very arrogant and love to act without thinking. Who would move to another country if they merely "fully expect" to get a certain status? You figure that shit out BEFORE you move. They'd suck at chess.

Harry is going to get a rude awakening when he realizes the reality of his situation. Did Meghan tell him she was a big star? I remember watching Loose Women before these two married and those hags kept going on about how Meghan was the star of Suits as if it was some major show and that she was the lead. You'd think she'd been on Friends or Seinfeld or Desperate Housewives or some shit they way they were going on. Why do foreigners think that just because a show is on TV in the America that it's a huge success and the actors in it are huge stars? I see this assumption a lot on British and Australian TV when they interview or refer to certain celebs.

Well can't Canada pay? Same continent, right? FFS, how mean.

No one’s checking for these two aging dorks.

I suppose Charles will have to pay for security. Will it be tax deductible?

R223 - She doesn't need to have "earned" anything. Her husband's income is also hers. So are gifts above a certain amount - what about that vast wardrobe and jewellery she was given by the BRF?

What I simply do not understand about these two morons is why, when they were warned about tax, visa, and security issues, they turned a deaf ear and ignored the warnings, all of which are now coming to pass?

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I love that Trump refers to the UK as 'the Kingdom'. He makes it sound like Saudi Arabia!

[quote]Meghs says that there were no plans to ask for US security funding. She's making her own private arrangements.

R239 - Meghs says, or Omid Scobie says? Link, please.

R240 Ask for a link from R237. He's the one claiming Meghs said that.

Apparently, a representative of the Sussexes has publicly stated that "private security arrangements have been made" and that the Sussexes had no intention of asking the US for resources to cover their security needs.

"Private security arrangements" means either the BRF are paying, or the Harkles themselves are paying, or the UK government is paying and the Harkles are calling it "private" to hide the fact that UK taxpayers are still on the hook.

My guess is, Charles/BRF are paying for another year and/or splitting the cost with the Harkles.

But what about his immigration status? Can he stay in the US? I guess LA is a sanctuary city so he doesn't have to worry about being deported.

Such bullshit from Smugs.

The Telegraph - not the Daily Wail - but Harry's own favoured outlet the Telegraph, yesterday reported that Harry 'Fully expects to be given diplomatic status in the USA'.

With diplomatic status, comes security paid for by the country in question.

Harry basically made an ultimatum to the USA that he be given between 10 and 30 million by US taxpayers every year to do nothing and for no reason. Fuck him.

I can't believe I'm going to say this, but I'm glad Trump tweeted a strong 'NO'.

In doing so he forced the Harkles to quickly find arrangements other than shaking down the populace of yet another country, which I presume meant calling up Daddy to whine that if he didn't pay the 8-20 million pounds annually it means he doesn't love Harry and is racist blah. blah. blah.

And now Meghan trying to save face "Oh I never, never, never wanted America to pay... that's an honour I always save for British and Canadian taxpayers!"

Such bullshit, and transparent bullshit at that.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised that if Charles stops paying for security, it will discovered that Harry's Invictus Games is paying. Even though that would destroy any credibility he has left.

Imagine being 35 years old, and after quitting his job in the family firm, he calls his daddy for $30 million dollars.

How that financial independence 'gonna be my own man' working out for you Harry?

Let's not forget that daddy's fortune and income are not mega. He's rich compared to the average council estate tenant but he's as poor as a council estate tenant compared to Bezos or Micropenis Bill or the Barking Sage or many others who don't have the honor or the privilege to pay $8m a year on the son's family's security which, as soon as it is known he is paying, will rise to $16m after the first year and so on.

I don't see how Harry could be made to leave when he is married to a US citizen?

[quote]I don't see how Harry could be made to leave when he is married to a US citizen?

Oh how quickly people forgot the Kelly Rutherford saga. I can see the Smirk and Scowl saga ending the same way.

Who is Kelly Rutherford?

" I am a great friend of the Queen". ... DJT

[quote] I don't see how Harry could be made to leave when he is married to a US citizen?

Lots of spouses have to wait overseas until they are approved.

Marrying a US citizen is not a guarantee of immediate citizenship in the US. Just like marrying a British citizen is not a guarantee of immediate UK citizenship. It helps, but there are many, many hoops through which to jump.

What R253 said: that's why Meghs was going thru the UK immigration process before the first Megzit,

I really can't believe how badly they've bungled the issue of paying for security. They've been criticized for it ever since the big move, and they haven't done dick about it... and now the president of the USA, the country where they've just moved, has taken time away from a worldwide disaster to tweet a public bitchslap!

Oh, I love following these twats, they're a gift that just keeps on giving and giving and coming up with a neverending train of stupid blunders. In a world full of turmoil and misery, they're comedy gold.

R243 I just had a visual of Harry being pounced upon by ICE and forcibly flown back to England.

R255 You ain't seen nothin yet. Wait til the trial in Duchess of Sussex v Daily Mail.

Trump proactively denying them security before they brought it up (if that’s true) was kind of a dick move, but it avoids putting Trump and the US in an embarrassing situation is something were to actually happen.

I tend to believe H&M really did have this worked out. And if it is being deal the with privately, it’s nobody’s business. That should be their number one priority.

It’s not WRONG for a middle-aged couple to be supported by a parent. I know a few of these losers, and they’re pathetic.

[quote]Trump proactively denying them security before they brought it up (if that’s true) was kind of a dick move

No, it wasn't. He sees the PR machine from these two. He didn't want Meghan commenting to the press that she was in talk with this administration over security details. He stopped them in their tracks before their lies got to the general public.

Trump is a grifter himself, so he recognized what these two were up to right away.

Does anyone believe that Harry, or his representatives, did not approach the US State Department about his diplomatic status/ visa application some time ago?

Trump did rub their noses in it when he publicly denied them taxpayer funded security, but their rush to assure everyone that they never intended to request it seems to be rubbish. I guess they have plausible deniability if their staff submitted the application.

Seems they are going to make a BIG announcement by this weekend on their new plans (yawn).

I'll be making masks for our local postal and delivery workers.

[quote] I just had a visual of Harry being pounced upon by ICE and forcibly flown back to England.

There are no flights to the UK. He will be kept at an ICE facility pending ... payment of a ransom by Charles ... or summit.

[quote] Trump is a grifter himself, so he recognized what these two were up to right away.

R261 wins.

They aren't royal. How much security would they really need? If they are worried about security they have bungled it. The should have announced high security was in place and that's that. Even if it isn't.

Well the fact that high security is an issue will interest Isis, Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Carlos the Jackel. Gurls, you in danger, best get back to Frogmore now.

^Jackal

From someone else

[quote] I would like to point out that we’re being told they’re going be quiet for the next few months to focus on family. They’ve been focusing on their family since they first went on hiatus in what November? So there must be some serious issues to work through at home. They took a 6 week vacation to focus on family to come back and tell everyone they’re quitting to focus on family only to tell us 3 months later they’re not announcing their next step so they can spend the next little bit focusing on their family.....

They done nothing in 6 months except “focus on family”, fly on private planes from country to country and cost taxpayers MILLIONS of dollars.

The Harkles made it clear they believe in their own minds that they are entitled to all the bennies of Grand Personages in their resentful "clarification" message in which the Oh So Woke Duo reminded the world of Harry's royal blood and position in line to the throne. They only removed the IPP verbiage after the Met officer came out and publicly laughed at it; protesting that it never crossed their minds that they could get in the US what they got in Canada is laughable.

If they hadn't got round to asking for it yet, Trump simply cut them off at the pass as the issue arose in the media. If some feelers were put out earlier between Downing Street and Pennsylvania Avenue, which isn't unthinkable given that the couple have known for weeks that Canada had had it with supporting two nonworking former royals. The problem probably arose far earlier than their arrival in America. If so, Downing Street was told No fucking way. This is Britain's and the BRF's problem.

What's happening in the UK is anyone's guess. The Palace isn't going to confirm or deny that Charles is funding any or all of the Harkles' armed security. I assume the UK taxpayer is still on the hook at least for some of it.

Shame the Harkles didn't act the part they were supposed to assume when they were working royals. If they'd been cognizant enough of those roles to behave courteously to the visiting head of government of one of Britain's oldest and strongest allies, however personally objectionable (believe me, HM has laid out her best Georgian plate and silver for corrupt dictators from far worse nations), they might have received a warmer reception.

Instead, they've stuck Charles with yet more of their support. And I'd be very curious as to the status of their repayment of the bill for the money the taxpayers' monies laid out to renovate a home that 1) they clearly hated because it wasn't grand enough, and 2) they occupied for all of ten months.

There are gated communities in the suburbs with a country club which have gated communities within the (gated) community: that should do; they can have special security at home with a panic room and guns (yes, Harry shoots, I believe). No need for $8m unless, of course, Meghan demands a stand alone Malibu mansion ... Megahan gets what Meghan wants, thanks Dad (just out of coronavirus).

If they had been smart, they would have worked within the system, rather than not only burning their bridges but blowing them up. They might have been able to work out a situation where Harry could be named British Counsal General in LA, with security and high profile.

Consul general, R271? Too much like hard work!

Even if someone else did the actual work.

Harry is far too stupid to be considered for that kind of position r271.

[quote]If they had been smart, they would have worked within the system, rather than not only burning their bridges but blowing them up.

It’s safe to assume that neither of them is smart.

R273 What I was thinking is that he would have had the title of Consul General and be brought out for parties and receptions, you know Hollywood loves royalty, but someone else would be doing the actual work.

R261, guess that makes me a grifter, because I knew what she was up to from day one. Not that I’m some genius, either, because half the bitches on these threads can see it, too.

Their new hire, Catherine St. Laurent, is a branding/communications specialist - she's done lots of private sector work in addition to working for Melinda Gates side foundation. Essentially, she's taking Sara Latham's place, with the addition of E.D. of their as yet still unannounced "nonprofit organisation".

It's still curious that the Queen took on Latham, whose one-year tenure with the Sussexes can only be characterised as dismal. Latham did a terrible job as their communications chief, although it must be said that she hadn't the easiest clients to work with - the cock-up of the announcement of Archie's birth and its timing was laid at her feed, probably unfairly, as it's clear the Sussexes wanted as much mystery as possible surrounding the birhg.

And whilst publicly she and the rest of the staff were spoken of as "incredibly loyal to the Sussexes in difficult circumstances", it's unlikely that that would have been what the Queen found so compelling a trait in a future employee. My guess is that Latham knows her tenure with the Sussexes was less than stellar and left her with egg all over her face, she had no other employment prospects, the Sussexes probably dicked her as they did so many other people who worked for them, and Latham politely murmured something about her next project being a book called, "My Year With Harry and Meghan", at which point the Queen quickly stepped in and offered her a year of discreet employment on the understanding that she would leave after a decent interval with a nice little settlement pendant upon refraining from talking about what she'd seen and heard during that year with the Sussexes.

One day Melissa Tabouti will start talking, despite her NDA.

[quote] guess that makes me a grifter, because I knew what she was up to from day one. Not that I’m some genius, either, because half the bitches on these threads can see it, too.

Yes, Virginia, at least half the faggots on these threads are grifters.

[quote] One day Melissa Tabouti will start talking, despite her NDA.

Mark these words:

At some point, the behind-the-scenes antics of Markle will come to light.

At that point she (and her husband) will be toxic and shunned from most of decent society.

(The RF will attempt to rehabilitate Harry, but his (ex?) wife will have little protection.)

[quote] the behind-the-scenes antics of Markle

must be epic

They are already alienating and angering many.

This LA private jet jaunt was pure stupidity.

It just keeps getting better and better.

Yes R279.

They will crash and burn.

Well, Oprah's generous. Look what she did trying to rehabilitate Lindsay Lohan. Maybe her network will give them a dix episode opportunity of some sort.

This is why wiser and cooler heads begged the Sussexes to hold off on running out the door until the complicated issues of residency, income, and security had been dealt with. Waiting six months or a year would have cost them nothing but a few more engagements on behalf of the BRF. It would also have given them time to think better of their rash plan--which they certainly would have done once COVID-19 hit in earnest.

But Harry seems to have inherited his mother's impatience. As Tina Brown said in her bio of Diana, the late Princess was a tactician, not a strategist. She never considered the long-term effects of her actions, and eventually that lack of foresight lead to personal chaos and an early death. Let's hope Harry is luckier.

That was supposed to be six episodes for H&M ^

Harry is not a tactician, nor a strategist. He's pussy-whipped. That's all.

I used to think so, R286, but I honestly believe now that Harry is driving this as much as Meghan. He could have put a stop to her shameless tactics--she showed her true colors long before the ring was on her finger--but he didn't. Just as Edward VIII used the relationship with Wallis to get himself out of being King, Harry is using his with Meghan to get out of being a working Royal duke. We'll see if his life ends up as empty and pointless as Edward's. In many ways, it already IS.

How can any one respect him any longer? Cut and run Harry.

Literally no one respects Harry any more.

I used to think that Harry was just being pushed around by MM.

But I broke down and listed to part 2 of the prank call from the Russians.

Harry does not sound tentative in describing their move. Not hesitant at all. Not feeling bad about leaving the RF at all.

I think now that Harry has been jealous of his brother (and his brother's children) for a long time and that jealousy feeds his feelings of inferiority both within his family and in the RF "Firm".

His statement of a few years ago about how he only had a few years before he would be eclipsed by his brother's children was very telling and, frankly, sick.

At some point each of us must make a life for ourselves. It might not be what we hoped for (case in point, Prince Edward whose plans for a media company were quashed by a false rumor launched by that PR guy that Prince Charles hired to buff up Camilla's image), but he (Edward) chose to throw himself (together with his wife Sophie) into the family Firm's responsibilities and is now one of the busiest royals.

Harry's jealousy has taken him down a path now that, IMHO, has made it impossible to retrieve any part of that old life.

With Trooping the Colour being cancelled this year, one can expect that Sparkle and Dim will barely be missed on next year's balcony.

Once William's kids hit young adulthood they will be the focus of everybody's attention. Harry will be irrelevant. That's how it always works in the Royal Family.

R268, isn't "focussing on family" just a euphemism for continuing to do basically nothing? As working royals, they had royal engagements as their "work". Now we hear a lot about their meeting with staff, consulting with whomever, but we all know they needn't do anything and it's all window dressing.

R290, good comment. It’s downright Shakespearean; jealousy, brothers in competition, succession...

No, nobody likes or respects Harry any more.

Meg has a few fangirls who admire her chutzpah, but even they see Harry as pussy-whipped.

The precedence game is inherently unfair and unhealthy. Harry, even given his intellectual defects, had alternatives. He could have stayed in the army, studied his butt off, passed the lieutenant's exam and continued climbing the promotion ladder. He could have successfully wooed laidback but reluctant heiress Chelsea Davy. But these things would have taken focus, determination, and WORK. Harry doesn't like to work. He wants everything handed to him, which isn't surprising, given how much was handed to him purely for being born. But he never seemed to fully grasp what was expected of him in return for all of those perks.

The attraction to Meghan makes so much sense now. She did all the work of pursuit during their courtship. She told him all about her hustling gameplan to make them rich and independent once they were married. He wouldn't have to do a thing but come along for the ride. What's more, her status as a divorced American actress was sure to piss of his conservative family. Of COURSE he married her.

And he'll stay married to her until it becomes clear that all her wheeling and dealing and hustling can't get him what he wants. Until SHE sees that his Royal status has gotten her about as far as it can. Then there will be finger-pointing and recriminations on both sides. Meghan will move on to her next big thing (as she always does), Harry will slink home to spend the rest of his life embittered and angry, but still living in the lap of fucking luxury. The Firm will always take care of Harry, just like they always took care of Margaret and Andrew.

TL; DR: Harry is a lazy piece of shit and will never be anything else.

R284 "But Harry seems to have inherited his mother's impatience. As Tina Brown said in her bio of Diana, the late Princess was a tactician, not a strategist. She never considered the long-term effects of her actions . . ."

Totally agree. All three of the actors in this drama share this trait, and that's the biggest problem in the Harkle equation: there's no counterbalance. It's all acting out rather than objective analysis.

Diana admitted later on that the Morton book was the biggest mistake of her life. From the moment it appeared and it became clear Diana was behind it, and that, moreover, she'd lied to the family about her involvement in it at first, the die was cast.

This time, the narc wife took the royal hubby with her. But this time, the royal hubby was already irrelevant to the long-term future of the monarchy, not the Heir Apparent, with far lower future income prospects, unlike his brother, who can look forward to heading up the Duchy of Cornwall and, in the fullness of time, the Duchy of Lancaster when Charles dies.

The marriage will really stand or fall on how much money Meghan can bring is, because Harry doesn't know how money is made. If she can make enough to fund the lifestyle they both clearly are aiming for, she may stick around. But if she can't, Meghan may assume she'll do better out of a divorce and settlement. If so, she's again kidding herself: she won't get what Diana got, because Harry isn't Charles. And whilst California is a community property state, that only applies to assets that accrue after the marriage, not to assets either partner brings with him into the marriage.

So the burden is on Meghan's drive and savvy to make this work economically. And I don't believe that "door ajar" bit for a moment. Why would Meghan give up L.A. for Windsor, and $10 million homes with glittering blue pools and abundant sunshine, the environment she's really always seen herself in, and a familiar gestalt with the peeps she shares a vocabulary with for the unveiled hostility of the rest of the Windsors?

No, that door is shut to Meghan, and she knows it. If she wants to hang on to Harry and not turn out a laughingstock, the pressure is on Meghan to start making money, lots of it, and in a relatively short time. Harry might have a shot at crawling back if their plans don't work out financially - but not Meghan. She'll divorce him first, take the money, and run for the Hollywood Hills.

R284 I lead to her early death.

[quote]case in point, Prince Edward whose plans for a media company were quashed by a false rumor launched by that PR guy that Prince Charles hired to buff up Camilla's image

I didn't hear about that. What is the story with that?

I have never seen such a smug, tone-deaf bitch as M.

Glenn at r299, this is a thread about royalty. Take your hatred of our mother somewhere else.

If Meghan managed in such a short time to so royally piss off the Windsors who must have felt obliged to at least try and make an effort for Harry’s sake, can you imagine what she is capable of in Hollywood? If she tried to outduchess Kate and Camilla, can you imagine what will happen if her agents get her a project with some bona fide A list Hollywood stars?

Agreed, R296. Harry seems to have always had very definite expectations of what this marriage is supposed to bring him. The first expectation, getting him out of being a working Royal duke, is accomplished. The second expectation--making him famous, beloved, and rich outside of his royal identity/inheritance--is much harder to pull off. This would have been true even without the pandemic, but given recent events, it's an almost impossible feat. I think Harry and Meghan are going to both cut their losses and go their separate ways.

R301 put her in a project with Constance Wu!

That kind of backstabbing and jostling for attention is normal in Hollywood, R301, but the true A-listers are much better at it than Meghan, and Meghan knows it. She'd mind her manners with her professional betters in hopes of getting a real 'in' with them, just as she has with Oprah and Serena and Amal. Of course, as soon as they were of no use to her she'd ghost and move on, but again, that's standard in LA. Her mistake was always applying LA values to her role in the BRF, and it's one of the many reasons she's back in LA less than 2 years after her marriage.

R304 Has anyone from the wedding been linked to her since Megxit? Besides her BFFL Serena?

Bitch, those people wanted to be photographed at a Royal Wedding. They don't care what happens to you now.

I agree, R305. I was simply replying to R301's hypothetical scenario where Meghan somehow scores a role in an A-list production with A-list stars.

Well the security bill is settled: the US will pay because Harry is going to be classed as a diplomat. Phew.

Harry can move in with Freddie Prinze Jr and K-Fed

R304 you’d think she’d mind her manners with the Queen of the United Kingdom... no such luck. Yes, Meghan has shown that she can ingratiate with people she thinks she can profit from, but she also has shown that she always makes it all about her. She made Serena’s US Open final all about her; she made all her charitable endeavors all about her.

She seems like the type to demand the top billing, and creative control, and producer credit; and although she’s been banned from using HRH, she seems like the type to come up with something like “The Duchess of Sussex presents Meghan, Duchess of Sussex, in ... created and written by The Duchess of Sussex.”

And while backstabbing is common in Hollywood, I can’t imagine that her usual tactics, like spreading rumors about someone's husband having an affair, will get her too far.

"The Duke and Duchess of Sussex share farewell post on Instagram"

Another battle lost.

The IG thing I don't get. Can't they just change their username?

The A1 visa in R307's link looks unlikely.

"To qualify for an A-1 or A-2 visa, you must be traveling to the United States on behalf of your national government to engage solely in official activities for that government."

Harkles' merching and shilling don't count. Sorry. Pay your own $8m on security.

Da end.

"Meghan Markle and Prince Harry Just Announced the End of Their Sussex Royal Instagram'

Regrettably this is what passes for journalism in some places (link). I quote:

"All Harry would have to do is classify as a British diplomat and apply as a prominent businessman with talents or resources that could be valuable to the United States, or as an "alien with extraordinary abilities." The Telegraph also claims that if Harry applies for a green card, there's one more thing he'd have to do: He would either need letters of recommendation from people he's worked with in the past (for example: Barack and Michelle Obama, casual)."

How does he make the leap from Dim to "alien with extraordinary abilities"?

R314 I think the Obamas are savvy enough that they would politely decline. Fox News would have a field day.

R315 If the Obamas declined, Meghs would have a cow.

R316 yeah, I'd be ok with that

R298

To answer your question, there is a documentary on Youtube called "Reinventing the Royals". (I think it has 2 parts.)

As far as the Prince Edward story you referenced, the bare facts are these. Prince Charles hired Mark Boland to help improve Camilla and his images in the press. Part of Boland's technique was to let out negative stories about other Royals, allowing for the casting of Charles as the good guy. There were several such stories.

While Prince William was at University, it was agreed with the press that there would be limited access to Prince William and a single event was arranged allowing some picture. After that event, most of the press left the University.

Prince Edward's company remained in town taking second unit shots of the area and town but NOT Prince William. However, the story was released that Edward's company had broken the press agreement and was still bothering Prince William. A big story, which was untrue, forcing, eventually, Edward to abandon his media company all together.

Boland's multiple behind the scenes machinations pissed off a lot of other members of the RF and eventually the Queen stepped in and reminded Charles that they were all supposed to support one another, not attack each other for individual positive stories. Boland was fired.

The whole saga, which really begins after Diana's death and the role played by the press in following her, covers the changes in the relationship after that death between the press and the RF.

There are strict rules in place about what pictures can be published. So, complaints about paparazzi photos don't hold water because there are no such pictures published.

Well worth watching.

The first part is linked below.

No, such tactics probably wouldn't get her too far, R309. Also, if she tried that with seasoned Hollywood veterans, the professional repercussions would be extreme, to say the least.

Two observations:

1) I think Harry has been given access to the principle of all of his trust funds. The BRF probably realizes that a penniless Harry is much easier to control than one who has his own financial resources. So, they will let him blow through his trust funds. Meghan will then leave and Harry will go back to the UK and with no money of his own do what he is told.

The long term repercussions on how the BRF operates, going forward, are going to be harsh for Louis and Charlotte. They will have no significant monies of their own-always having to rely on their father and brother for funds. This ensures docility that the RF did not get with Harry.

2) I think Harry and Meghan might be thinking about returning to the fold before the end of year review. Even they have to realize that their money making opportunities are dwindling by the day. Meghan probably wants to go back to the BRF short-term and rebuild her profile and try again down the road. Except she is anathema to the BRF now.

Charlotte and Louis will have large trust funds left to them by their father from the revenues of either the Duchy of Cornwall or Lancaster. You have to remember William is likely to inherit a huge part of his father's personal wealth, as well. They build portfolios and buy real estate with the revenues they keep.

One thing rich people know is that once you start eating into the principal of a trust, eventually the trust goes away. I'd be very surprised if Harry was allowed to do this; it's much more likely that Charles is floating them for another year or two with his usual two million, and perhaps paying for their security, as well. Charles is right, though: he is a rich man, but his resources are not limitless. He's not Bezos or Gates or Branson.

As for returning to the fold: if it were only Harry, maybe, but after what we saw in the Abbey on their last day as working royals, I don't see the Cambridges, Wessexes, Yorks, Anee, etc., welcoming Meghan Markle the Destroyer back. She'd be more ostracised personally than she ever was before, and Harry would be stuck between the two sides even worse than he was before. Plus, they would like utter failures to the rest of the world. Can you imagine the taxpayers laying down for helping to support Meghan and Harry again?

It's a fantasy. Divorced or separated from Meghan, Harry might make it back, but the pair together? They hater her and she hates them and the world knows it.

Harry could definitely make it back, but he'd have to hate his estranged wife enough to go along with what the Firm would have to do to redeem Harry in the eyes of the public, which is to paint Meghan, whatever the truth of her personality or actions, as a cold-hearted gold-digger who ensnared Harry with her wicked wiles and then broke his heart. They'd pull out all the stops to blacken her reputation to the point where what they did to Sarah Ferguson back in the day would look like gentle teasing. Harry would look like a sad sack, but the public would pity and then embrace him again, particularly if he married a more acceptable woman (from a conservative British stance) the second time around.

Harry will be accepted back in the family, but he will never be truly accepted by the British public.

He called the whole of Britain racist and pretended that it was Britain's fault that he left. Meanwhile, it's plain for all to see that he actually left because and Meghan wanted to make mega-bucks off their names, and Buck house could not going to allow them to do that while they were still in the BRF.

What Meghan did is to be expected from a grasping d-level actress. Harry, on the other hand, was brought up to value duty, to value Britain, to value family, to value the Queen. He shat on all four from a great height, so he could become a rich celebrity, and then he lied about it an blamed it on the family and the public. He will never, ever truly be accepted in Britain again.

At best, he'll be grudgingly tolerated, but never fully accepted, and certainly never loved. It's over for him.

Agree with r323.

R320, while I agree with your first point, I respectfully disagree with the second. It would surprise me if Meghan went back to England. She is DONE with that place (IMO) and those people. She’s going to want to forget the ego-crushing endeavor. Maybe she’d go back if she could wave a triumph in everyone’s face. Otherwise I don’t see it.

Triumph is inevitable.

R320– I agree that she is done with the place. However, she has an overwhelming desire to be rich and famous and if being a senior working member of the RF again is the only way to do it, she might give it a go..

Meghan thought she was Grace Kelly marrying Prince Rainier. But, there were two major problems: 1) Grace Kelly was a world famous Oscar winning movie-star, not a little known basic cable actress (the equivalent in Grace Kelly's time would have been an actress on a DuMont show). 2) Prince Rainier was the ruler, the big cheese, Harry is the spare who gets less relevant every time his brother and sister-in-law produces another kid.

Meghan thought she was Grace Kelly marrying Prince Rainier. But, there were two major problems: 1) Grace Kelly was a world famous Oscar winning movie-star, not a little known basic cable actress (the equivalent in Grace Kelly's time would have been an actress on a DuMont show). 2) Prince Rainier was the ruler, the big cheese, Harry is the spare who gets less relevant every time his brother and sister-in-law produces another kid.

The comparison of the principality of Monaco with the UK is absurd. "Meghan thought she was Grace Kelly marrying Prince Rainier." Prince Rainier was a princeling running a casino (later tax avoidance and grand prix); his family never were emperors unlike the BRF.

I think R296 is right. Harry's always had everything handed to him, and now he expects Meghan to hand him the wealth and independence he's always craved.

I've bashed her enough over the last few months, but between the two of them, HE really is the worst one. Nobody ever handed her a thing and I do give her credit for being able to live by her wits and hustle to get what she needs, and having truly breathtaking levels of chutzpah, but now she's in an impossible position. If she doesn't produce millions of dollars pronto, and during a fucking pandemic, that spoiled brat Harry is going to be very, very angry.

R330 I'm not comparing the families, or countries, just the situation, when Kelly married Rainier it made her the top woman in Monaco, which isn't insignificant considering it is the playground of the famous and wealthy. However, when Meghan married Harry, there was the Queen, Camilla, Catherine, and Charlotte, ahead of her not to mention all the other blood Princesses. Not matter what, she was never going to be at the center of anything and that is what she didn't count on.

[quote] it is the playground of the famous and wealthy

When Grace married Rainier, Monte was a backwater with a casino. Very Italian, full of ex-Blackshirts. Thanks to Grace it became the playground of the famous and wealthy; the glamor has faded since Grace died. Some rich Jews still go there for some reason.

Things might well play out like this:

There's no way that Harry and Meg can make millions off social media or schoozing this year, and Harry won't have the patience to wait out the pandemic - he wants his millions NOW!!! He'll take his anger and frustration and general twattery out on Meghan, who promised him the moon and failed to deliver, so by the time Charles offers her a serious inducement to sign an NDA and give Harry the push, she'll accept. Harry will go back home and resume a royal role with ill grace, and never regain his popularity. She'll stay in LA and live the good life, but never give up hustling and drama in spite of her independent wealth, that's just who she is.

R333 Monaco's connection to the rich began long before Rainier, in 1869, when they stopped collecting any income taxes from residents. Also, evidently the rich still go there, since in 2014 around 30% of their residents were millionaires.

R334, I don't think that Meghan is the one walking on eggshells trying to keep Harry happy. She's right where she's always wanted to be, and now she has worldwide fame and Diana's grand baby. She'll have those things--and her new friends--even if Harry leaves today. She really no longer needs Harry. And we know how she behaves towards people she no longer needs.

If they break up, Harry will look like a fool: the man who gave up his entire family for a woman who ultimately dumped him. (His family tried to warn him, and his fans tried to warn him on social media.) Can he really go back to England after all the bridges he's burned? Lots of citizens are disgusted by his behavior. And his family...would they really welcome him back? They might be civil to him in public in front of the cameras, but their body language is telling. Can you imagine him standing on that balcony with his family after all the shit he's pulled?

If he does go back to England, his visits with his son would be few and far between. Maybe he'll end up living in the guest home in Meghan's back yard, watching the kid while she romances her next mark.

So, ABC just aired a commercial to promote the two upcoming Disney documentaries, one of which is narrated by Meghan. Not kidding: the commercial voice-over included the language: These films will show "just how far family can take you". Heh.

R336 What will be telling is how much he will be included when HM The Queen dies and Charles' coronation.

I can almost see Harry semi-returning to the family fold after a marital split, but developing a wildlife conservation center in Africa and re-orienting his "world saving" efforts there. Anything that will allow him to be away part/ much of the time, working at something he enjoys, and lets him regain some level of credibility again. Twenty years from now, he could be famous in his own right, and overall away from the media.

Meghan can do a pseudo- Martha Stewart entertaining show or yoga videos. Or maybe just fade away. I shudder to think she might have some sort of political ambitions in the future.

Harry could never live in Africa, he's too spoiled.

R340 You can live a spoiled life in Africa, it isn't all grass huts.

[quote] in 1869, when they stopped collecting any income taxes from residents.

In 1869 the residents couldn't pay a dime. The only way Monaco was going to make any money was by turning themselves into a casino and a tax haven: it took years, mainly because Monte was swarthy, Italian and full of Blackshirts. Grace change their reputation. As for millionaires, they've only got about 38,682 people there so 13,000 milionnaires is hardly notable.

If Harry returns to the UK it will be: "Get yourself to a monastery." He is not even Prince Andrew standard.

R331, no one handed her anything except a private school education that included Northwestern University and an international internship at the American embassy in Buenos Aires...

[quote] a private school education that included Northwestern University and an international internship at the American embassy in Buenos Aires

Seems like a handful to be handed. Thanks!

I think Harry could go back and become popular again if he bought Archie with him. Meghan could probably be $induced$ to say that Archie needed to be educated in the U.K. for the sake of the BRF. It’s a win-win. Meghan gets a bigger payoff in exchange for giving up primary custody AND gets to be photographed with her son, a prince (or whatever he would be) during two vacations a year. Archie isn’t nearly as valuable or attention grabbing if he’s just another spoiled offspring of a washed up actress who made one really good marriage.

Harry goes back with next generation royal who can add some color (literally and figuratively) to the BRF and play the devoted single dad. I don’t think they would encourage him to marry again quickly, much less have another child, and what he absolutely can’t do is go back and start a second family and give Megan to opportunity to cry poor and make comparisons between Archie and any step-siblings.

R346, she is NOT going to give up that kid. Even if giving him up were best, the optics of it would be terrible. Also, it would like defeat if, after she ran away from that family, she let "them" raise her kid. Also, she needs the kid for social media content.

Agree with r347. In terms of genuine 'hard' assets, the kid is all she really has. So long as she retains possession of the kid, she wields a degree of control over Harry, and retains a high income in the form of maintenance payments after the divorce.

Also the kid is Diana's grandson and Meghan is doubtless already devising plans for how to exploit that fact in the years to come.

The kid is central not only to her ambitions, but to her ability to retain her position and financial situation. She'll never give him up.

I wonder how many people have asked her how she is since touching down in L.A.

I get what you are saying, R348 and R347. But I think having a member of the BRF as your p/t kid might trump having a f/t kid whose dad used to be a member of the BRF.

R350, either way, her kid will be the king's grandson, and later, the king's nephew.

Meghan is going to look broke soon next to Chelsy Davy’s daddy’s billions.

Harry will eventually resent her for not being loaded.

Harry and Meghan better hope Charles lives a long time because when William's in charge of the purse strings, he's not going to be writing blank checks like Charles is.

Did Meghan really start the rumour about William having an affair with that woman? No wonder he 'scarfed' her!

I never believed the affair nonsense.

r351, the way things are going right now, the kid is going to be brought up never knowing any of his paternal family (or most of his maternal family, for that matter).

He will be not just an American, but a Los Angeles/Malibu kid and will have those values and mannerisms. The only difference being related to present or future British monarchs will make to the kid will be that the monarchy is the source of his parents income, and that the British tabloids will crow delightedly when he gets the first of many tattoos and when he has his first overdose/ trip to rehab.

Growing up in LA, it's a real possibility that Archie will grow up to be absolute trash like Presley Gerber and all the others like him.

R351 so are Princess Margaret's children. No one gives a fuck.

Exactly, R357, that's why it doesn't matter if Harry is a current or ex-member of the BRF.

This idiot couple's children are one day going to be mighty pissed off mummy and daddy blew off being British royals.

What will Harry and Meghan name their next child if it's a girl, Veronica or Betty?

Edith? (if not Diana)

"[R350], either way, her kid will be the king's grandson, and later, the king's nephew. "

And then a king's cousin.

But Meg isn't going to let poor Archie spend a lot of time in the UK, not even if they offer her millions to split custody reasonably. Not only is the kid a meal ticket, and a way to squeeze money out of Charles as long as they're both alive... she'll be afraid that the kid will prefer life as a royal to life with her. She'll do everything she can to keep the kid from becoming part of a young royal "cousins club", no matter what the kid's best interests are.

R360 Henrietta Meghansdottir. You heard it here first.

If and when they do divorce, Meghan will find it difficult to ignore any court ordered visitation for Archie to have with his father. Even to travel overseas during vacation, to bond with the British side of the family. All depending on how aggressive Harry wants to be about that kind of stuff.

Harry once said that Africa was the place where he felt the most like himself (whatever "himself" is). Regardless of how realistic his statement was (reminds me of little boys of my generation who used to say they wanted to be forest rangers when they grew up), it is rather telling that where his marriage landed him was the farthest thing possible from Botswana and the life he played at there. L.A. is the epicenter of shallow values, vacuous art, ferocious competition, and an incredibly insular view of life. I doubt the kids in the private schools of Malibu and Beverly Hills see much of downtown L.A.'s homeless problem.

She couldn't have dragged him and her son to a more soulless place. Mind, I'm speaking of her determination to crack Hollywood - there are plenty of "normal" people living in California. But that's not the California to which she has, with great adroitness, steered her husband and son.

She is, at heart, a shallow vulgarian insensible to class. Hollywood is where she belongs - she just never had a shot at it until she got Windsor attached to Meghan and got herself enough notoriety to at least get a foot in the door.

It's Harry who is now planted where he doesn't belong. Perhaps the luxe lifestyle will make up for it. It takes time for these sorts of ironies to make themselves felt. We'll see. But, certainly, Meghan has gotten from the Windsors what she came for: back home this time with a chance to Make It Big. I remain in the camp of those who believe she had this at the back of her mind from the moment she realised she had a chance to hook Harry.

He really is pathetic.

R351 - The nephew of that future King? That King will not have seen that nephew in 20 years, will have no relationship whatsoever with Archie, and said King's three children will be sucking all the air out of that particular room by then. If Meghan wanted her son's relationship with the BRF to have any meaning, she should have built bridges amongst those family members rather than burnt them.

David Lynley and Sarah Chatto are nevvies of the current Queen. Means nothing to the public, and that's back home. If Meghan has anything to say about it, Archie will be raised like a privileged rich Angeleno, something she probably dreamt of being. His fragile connection to the BRF will erode swiftly.

Meghan doesn't want Harry and Archie close to the BRF - she's afraid of losing her primary emotional hold on them. And she knows how the BRF feel about her; she doesn't want them leaking their side of the story to Archie.

With Archie, as with every other way in which Meghan handled the BRF, she thinks the name without the game will be sufficient. Where she's concerned, it may work. Where Archie is concerned, it won't.

I'm still

[quote] David Lynley and Sarah Chatto are nevvies of the current Queen. Means nothing to the public, and that's back home.

R366 Yes, it means nothing to the public. But, they are both close to the Queen, and benefit from that. Archie, however, will not have similar benefits because his parents are keeping him separate from his family. In terms of extended family, Archie will not have any relationships, except maybe with Meghan's mother.

Archie is also the grandson of Thomas Markle and the nephew of Samantha and Tom Jr. He'll be as close to his royal side of the family as he is to the Markles. And don't believe the hype. Meghan and Doria aren't that close either. It's really gonna suck for him when he gets older and sees his cousins in the spotlight all together and he's not part of it. Not just Will's kids but Peter, Zara, and eventually Bea and Eugenie's kids are all gonna be growing up together and he's gonna miss out on all of that. Even after the divorce during the times Archie is with Harry, I doubt Harry is going to have enough to do with his family for Archie to ever really be in the fold with them. It's pretty messed up for his parents to deny him that.

Poor kid. I hope he has a stellar nanny.

It's quite likely that Harry will go crawling back to the BRF and marry again, this time more conservatively. His second family WILL be close to their cousins, which will make things all the harder for Archie when he comes of age and realizes what his mother has denied him: membership in a golden circle that few are born into, and even fewer enter later in life. Americanized half-siblings/cousins need not apply.

Not so sure if Harry has more kids that they'll be close with the cousins. It seems that Harry wasn't very close with Will's kids even before Meghan came along. We've never seen pics of "Fun Uncle Harry" with the Cambridge kids like we have of Mike Tindall. And we have pics of Kate hanging out with Autumn at polo and the kids were all playing together in a way that demonstrated that they were all used to being around each other.

After all of the bridges Harry has burned it seems pretty unlikely that he'll ever really ever be able to completely repair those relationships. For the sake of any potential future kids I hope I'm wrong. But you're right R369, it'll be even worse for Archie if he has half siblings that get to be part of all of the family events when he might be kept away. Meghan obviously doesn't value familial relationships so she wouldn't think twice about denying him the chance to have relationships with his extended family.

You make good points, R370. I think a lot of it would depend on Harry's choice of second wife. If he chose someone who understood the role and understood the value in those family relationships Harry has thrown away, she might be able to smooth the waters quite a lot. Of course, could Harry attract--or be attracted to--such a sensible woman? That does seem unlikely.

I agree, r369.

And the world will fawn over Harry’s second wife.

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Archie is gonna grow up with Meghan telling him that they were driven out of the family because they are part black. I can't imagine how damaging that's gonna be for him to think that his father's family rejected him because they are racist and they think he's not good enough to be part of their family. Makes me sad to think about it.

At this point I can't imagine any level headed woman wanting anything to do with Harry. But who knows. If he takes some time after the divorce to get his shit together maybe he can pull it off. If he does find some woman who is even reasonably sane there probably will be fawning because people do love a good comeback story and any woman who is seen a being able to "rescue" troubled Harry will definitely get some positive attention. But Harry really has to take some time off and work on himself to attract a decent woman. And I don't think he has that in him. He'll be a perpetual fuck up like Andrew.

Well, Chelsy is still single. If he could somehow win her back and spend the rest of his life leading a chill, luxurious life in the most beautiful parts of Africa, that really would be quite a resurrection.

(I realize this is very unlikely to ever happen.)

They can't even pay their own bills but they think they are gonna change the world.

R375 I saw a lot of talk about how Chelsy was going to be Harry's Camilla and after the Markle fiasco was over they'd find their way back to each other. I don't see that talk anymore. Now all I see is that people think Chelsy dodged a bullet. She deserves better than Harry. I wouldn't wish Harry on any woman.

Any sensible woman deserves better than Harry. The more I hear about him, the more I believe that he inherited his mother's borderline personality. Any partner of his is going to go through hell. Meghan herself is a piece of work, but handling Harry may be more than even she can manage, long-term.

Didn't Harry tell the telephone pranksters (who pretended to be Greta) that he and Meghan had decided not to create a foundation because there were already so many foundations that were already doing great things?

I don't get the obsession with the foundation. Are they just going to collect money to travel around and give speeches and "shine a light"? That's exactly what the the BRF does. Harry already had the ultimate platform for doing just that, and he threw it away.

R379, there's been lots of waffle, but I seem to remember that they ditched the foundation idea and pivoted to a non-profit, probably because they don't have the resources to set up a foundation.

"But Harry really has to take some time off and work on himself to attract a decent woman. And I don't think he has that in him. He'll be a perpetual fuck up like Andrew. "

Harry sure as fuck isn't going to work on himself while he's partying away in LA! And for all his talk about mental illness, whatever therapy he's had seems to have made him worse, not better, more angry and self-absorbed.

Well, maybe he'll finally get some good counselors at Promises Malibu, because you KNOW he's headed there.

Foundations either distribute money to nonprofits and worthy causes, or plow it into research and policy; nonprofits usually focus on more direct action, and try to get money from foundations.

The planet is littered with foundations and nonprofits, all claiming to do what the Sussex's latest mouthpiece, Ms Saint-Laurent, claims they want to do. In practical terms, as laid out once before, nonprofits have to be led by a Board of Directors who set and oversee organisational policy, define a Mission Statement, outline the programmes that will help them meet the goals set out in the Mission Statement, outline what populations their programmes target, and then produce "metrics" showing how successfully they have met the goals set out in their Mission Statement.

It isn't as simple as getting a group of donors together to give you "seed money". You have to go on getting money to meet your budget and keep your programmes running year after year after year, competing for private foundation funding and individual donor gifts with thousands of other nonprofits.

Are they going to be running programmes that directly impact people's lives, or focus on policy and research? How do they determine what works and what doesn't?

And I doubt Ms Saint-Laurent comes cheap. In the US and in Canada, nonprofits have to submit tax forms each year that list the salaries of the five highest paid people in the organisation.

The truth is, at the moment all Harry and Meghan have is a airy bullshit from someone whose profession is public imaging, i.e., a bullshit artist accustomed to painting People We Would Ordinarily Resent As People Who Care.

In truth, there isn't that much difference between the "patronage" that modern monarchies invented for themselves as a raison d'etre in the 20th century, and people like Harry and Meghan founding nonprofits. They're all doing it for the same reason: to make them look respectable in the midst of unearned privilege.

It took years for The Prince's Trust to establish a track record and gain the prestige that it now has, and it was the work of the Prince of Wales, not a second-tier former royal whose public image has recently take a couple of PR hits, and a former c-list, self-promoting hustler that all denizens of Hollywood will recognise instantly, even if the fucking Queen and the Prince of Wales somehow missed it.

They should have stayed where they were, because, and not to be insulting toward the Majesty of Britain, that was the level both are really suited to: work cut ready to their hand, no need to go out and bow and scrape for money year after year and kow tow to richer people for donations, the PR machine already in place.

Harry and Meghan are afflicted with delusions of grandeur, an irony probably lost on most.

But, but they had thevstar power! They weren't being appreciated and were being sidelined just because William is the heir! They had offers and all Megs ideas were shot down! And, and...

Now that everyone has seen how nasty and vicious Harry really, is, no one wants to be around him.

He’s clearly unhinged, mentally.

R360, The Next One.

Exactly what R382 said.

And that's why they'll continue to provide us snarky gossips with entertainment.

Chelsy as Harry's Camilla? In Harry's dreams. A billionaire's daughter with her own business, a law degree, all the upscale housing she wants and no need to marry or fuck for it? She isn't some prince's former mistress stuck in a horsey set marriage to one of the world's best-known philanderers. She doesn't need Harry the way Camilla needed Charles.

If anyone is looking fondly back at Chelsy, it's HM and Charles. Harry hasn't even the brains to realise what he lost in Chelsy - the boatloads of money that isn't his father's, the ability to have any home the couple fancied, the fun of being married to someone who isn't using him for social and economic advantage and exhausting him 24/7 with all her "ideas", needs, plans, and resentments against his family.

Probably better that he can't imagine the difference. It might drive him over the edge.

The shade coming out of the Canadian media is blistering. How typical of Harry and his 36 year old divorcee actress bride, who wore a 15 foot veil embroidered with Commonwealth emblems to piss off a first-tier Commonwealth country as soon as it was expedient to do so.

They just cannot hide who they really are: thoughtless opportunists with no attachment to anything that isn't immediately useful, including Harry's family.

Harry as a Hollywood Player is one of those Emperor's New Clothes images.

And their hypocrisy is also impossible to hide: they want privacy, normalcy, and a life out of the goldfish bowl for their son, away from a callous, fickle, rude media . . . so they move to Hollywood??!! One of the world's best-known cesspits of fickle fortune where the only thing that matters is whether you're on the A, B, C, or D List, and the veneer of "class" and "kindness" is about a quarter of an inch deep?

The thing that has been most apparent about the Harkles throughout this fascinating but sorry-arse saga is that they are their own worst enemies. The fact that they are but have managed to retain the trappings of wealth and status is due only to the family Harry was born into - and from which Meghan Markle, always mistaking the short money for the long game, swiftly managed to detach herself and him.

You couldn't make it up.

Even in America, even in L.A. (especially in L.A.), Meghan and Harry will eventually get what they deserve, not what they want.

Because character is destiny: no matter what class background Harry came from, he's a low-quality bloke when you strip away the status his birth gave him, and she had no class to start with still trying too hard to escape her desperately wannabe aura - she's been that all her life, with typical stupidity she ran from the one place that gave her a chance to change that for real, and so still reeks of wannabe.

The ironies here are breathtaking.

Of course the wishful thinking about Harry eventually getting back with Chelsy was before we all saw just what an asshole Harry is. So many people just wanted Harry to be happy and he hasn't looked happy with Meghan. He always looks so miserable and stressed. When he was with Chelsy they just looked happy and so comfortable with each other. They got together so young I can see how people hoped after they grew up a bit they could make it work.

When Megxit was announced a friend of Cressida's tweeted that she wished Cressida had said yes. So it looks like Harry had proposed to Cressida and it's crazy to think that after all the time he spent with Chelsy that marriage didn't come up. But neither of those girls needed him. The bullshit that comes along with being with him wasn't worth it for them. And then of course there were stories that he wasn't exactly the best boyfriend, so his personality wasn't exactly enough to keep them around. I think he knows quite well that women who aren't interested in his title or money weren't going to put up with the press intrusion and all of the restrictions that come with being royal. So that's how he wound up with Meghan who was thirsty for a title, money and can't live without press attention.

That implies, though, that if he'd been a better boyfriend and really put the work into the relationships with Chelsy or Cressida, he might have seen a different outcome. This would have been especially true if he'd done more to make himself a catch outside of his royal connections, like putting more into his education, his military career, or some other worthwhile pursuit. Particularly in the case of Chelsy, if he'd offered to give up 'princing' to spend his life with her, who knows? But again, Harry's never seemed to type to work or make sacrifices. He just wants it all given to him on a silver platter, the way so many other things have been given to him. This flight to LA is coming off as the biggest, dumbest, most self-destructive temper tantrum ever.

I’m beginning to detect a very faint vibe of Tori and Dean from these two.

I can totally see a reality show in their future, masquerading as a documentary. It's a logical step in their downward trajectory.

I don't think a large divorce settlement is in Meghan's future. Why would the BRF ask a woman who cannot be trusted to keep her word sign an NDA? She is a loose cannon and will have to be dealt with as such..

I don't see how Charles can avoid a large divorce settlement, without one she goes to the media right off the bat and I don't feel she'll feel any need to stick to the truth. Plus, if Harry goes back to the UK or off to Africa, the BRF will need to give her a reason not to start one of those nightmarish international custody battles.

So there will be a settlement, and one large enough to keep her trap shut until she's just another forgotten LA ex-wife. There is also likely to be some sort of ongoing support with penalties for going to the media built into the contract, because an NDA won't be of a lot of use if the BRF doesn't want to take her to court for breaking the agreement. And they won't.

After all the humiliation his marriage has brought to Harry, having his father pay off his ex-wife would be the last straw, don't you think?

Harry's problem all along has been, as someone upthread pointed out, that he relied upon his birth and status for his value in the world; in this, he fell into the same trap his Uncle Andy and, to a certain extent, his father did. None of them expect to have to work at being valuable, and they also expect to be cushioned against their mistakes and get off lightly.

Charles paying off Harry's ex-wife would be compounding the error that everyone has made with Harry: letting him off the hook for bad behaviour with no consequences. It would cut off what remains of Harry's balls and throw them to the lions in the zoo.

The BRF did help Andrew somewhat with his divorce settlement, but it wasn't much. Andrew has a large trust fund today worth somewhere around $80 million, even after settling with Fergie and setting up a seven-figure trust fund for each of his daughters, paying for their education, and giving Fergie about %20,000 p.a. for a certain amount of time. People think he's broke, but he's not, and he has a lifetime sweetheart deal at Royal Lodge, where he also paid extensively for renovations. But he paid most of the divorce settlement himself.

In a divorce, Harry may get some help from his father, but the idea that Meghan is going to get $30 million or so because of Charles and some "dirt" she has (which the family could probably sue her ass for asserting publicly), more than Charles' ex-wife got, is ludicrous. He might give Harry one lump sum to cover, e.g., the cost of Archie's education till the age of 18 or a house in Malibu, but the court settlement will be based on what Harry has, not what his father has. Of course, if the Harkles have made a great deal of money of their own by then, then Meghan's settlement will be larger.

They were married in the UK, their son is a UK citizen, and Harry is a UK citizen, so it's likely that the divorce would be heard in the UK, anyway. Harry cannot become a US citizen without renouncing his allegiance to the Crown and the titles he was born with. Even as a permanent resident, it's likely the UK courts would have jurisdiction over the case.

Everyone assumes that it's Meghan who has dirt on the BRF. No one seems to wonder if the BRF has dirt on Meghan, which I think is likely. Spilling beans on a family like this comes with its own dangers.

They should have paid this bitch off before the wedding. She's gonna be a never ending headache for them.

But the idea that Charles is responsible for her divorce settlement is fucked up. Harry brought this leach into the family, let him bankrupt himself to pay for his mistake. Charles has no balls so he probably will end up paying and Harry again will escape responsibility for his fuck ups. He's a 35 year old man-child because his family never forced him to grow up.

If I remember the details of Diana's divorce, she got 17M and Charles had a hard time coming up with it. He has a lot of wealth but most of it is not liquid. Diana was mother to heir of the throne, and was giving up becoming queen consort. Meghan is not even close to that in status.

However there is the argument that Meghan can command a similar settlement because she has a big fucking mouth. Well, remember Diana wasn't afraid to talk shit either.

But a big factor in this is that Charles' wealth comes from the Duchy of Cornwall. And Will is set to inherit the Duchy within a few short years. He absolutely will not allow his father to hand over any significant amount of his inheritance, and his son's eventual inheritance, to some two bit tramp because his dufus brother is cuntstruck.

Better luck next time Meghan.

Oh just wait until William is in control of the finances. If Harry and Meghan are still married by then, he's not going to throw them money like Charles is.

Will won't be in charge of the finances for quite a while. Well if Charles lives as long as his parents anyway. A lot of people think Harry would continue to be funded by the Duchy of Cornwall when Will is Prince of Wales but Harry's funding will move to the Duchy of Lancaster once Charles becomes king. In addition to his entitled son and daughter in law, Charles will have to fund all of his other parasitic relatives, just like his mother is now. I doubt Meghan will stick around long enough to be part of the family when Charles is King but it would be funny to see her demand more than all of those born into the family. And you know she would.

If Harry and Meghan divorce, her settlement will be much closer to what Sarah Ferguson, another ex-wife of a spare, got. Meghan may get a little more because she'll fight for it, but not MUCH more. The payoff will be a trust fund for Archie, Archie's education paid for, a house bought for her and the boy, and a reasonable monthly sum to keep them both afloat until Archie is an adult. In other words, all the money will go towards seeing that the blood relative, Archie, is raised in comparative ease and comfort. They don't give a fuck what happens to Meghan.

That would make sense R400. Meghan WILL fight tooth and nail for every penny. Fergie and Andrew were always on good terms and she knew Andy would always take care of her, and he still does even long after their children are grown. So she didn't have to make a big stink about anything and just accepted what she was given.

As far as I know the money Harry inherited from Diana was mostly the money Charles gave her in the divorce settlement. It'd really be absurd to make Charles cough up more money so Harry doesn't have to dip into his inheritance. He's the dumb fuck who was too stupid to see what he was marrying. Make him pay.

Happy to be corrected, but I don't' think Duchy of Lancaster funds are as freely disposable to the king as Cornwall funds are to the prince of Wales. It's run as a government department and headed by the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, a cabinet post

But those Lancaster funds are how the queen pays for her children and cousins, right? It's nice to know there is some sort of oversight. So Meghan is best taking her chances before Charles becomes king. Not that she ever planned on sticking around that long anyway.

When Fergie and Andrew got divorced didn't the queen pay the lump sum? Was that from "private" funds or from Lancaster funds? Weren't there changes to the way the way the queens finances were handled some time after Fergie and Andy's divorce? Like who was eligible to be on the the civil list etc? That was some time in the mid 90s, right? If the current bullshit continues there may be calls for more of that. And rightly so.

It's been said that when Charles becomes king he's going to make some changes regarding the extended family members and all their perks and privileges.

What dirt does Meghan have that she could spill? She was barely in the BRF. What is she going to say? "We had servants and they failed to ask how I was? They wouldn't look this black woman in the eye?" What does she know that is dirt?

She's got no dirt. They've been lovely to her.

She's planning upon the "I'll just call them racist" plan for easy exit and enrichment.

Meghan is not letting go of Harry until she has sucked as much as she can out of the BRF money-wise: she wants the mansions, the servants, the cars etc. Divorce, and the divorce settlement, will just be the icing on the cake.

Yup, r407. Until she's got the very marrow from his bones, she's not done sucking his life from his body, and not in a fun way.

We're witnessing a real-life succubus, boys, in real time.

Meghan may be shallow and grasping and unable to play the long game, but she's canny enough to see that for the present she's better off with Harry than without him. Without him she's another aging actress with a little name recognition, and those are a dime a dozen Hollywood. Also, the gloves really would be off where the BRF are concerned. They would LOVE skewering her in the court of public opinion.

She'll stick with Harry until she secures a better gig. It's how she's always operated, and she won't stop now.

[quote] They would LOVE skewering her in the court of public opinion.

But first of all, the BRF will let the Daily Fail do the dirty work: watch out for the trial in Duchess of Sussex v Daily Mail; the Fail will not settle the case on any account and will see it through to a trial which will be a bloodbath.

Absolutely. Any dirt that the security service has dug up on Meghan will come out--not all at once, but in a slow drip of poison via the tabloids. It's how they got Sarah Ferguson and how they were trying to get Diana when she died. The negative spin will never stop. The only way this won't happen is if she marries someone powerful enough that he can make it stop via his own connections.

How IS Jeff Bezos's personal life these days?

R411-- It will never be a Jeff Bezos. It will have to be a Russian Oligarch. No western business magnate or Arab Royalty are going to risk their relationship with the BRF (and the extension the UK) to take on Markle. She will have to settle for the Russian oligarch, but that comes with it's own danger-- she pulls the shit she's pulled with the BRF, and her finances and lifestyle will be the least of her worries

Meghan is far more likely to try to set herself up as an Influencer a la Goop or a media mogul a la Oprah. Then she can find a cute trophy husband and call all the shots. It would suit a controlling personality like hers far better than being subservient to some git named Ivan.

Will she have another child with Harry? Be tough to do that AND pursue an acting career. I think she looks great now, and looked fine during and after pregnancy. But she isn’t one of those women who just get a belly and remain otherwise unchanged.

She’s gotten, and stayed, pretty thick around the middle since Archie...

Who is gonna be looking for lifestyle influencers when this is all over? She didn't have any real success with that when she ran The Tig, and I don't think lifestyle blogs are gonna be in high demand any time soon. I honestly don't see what her angle is gonna be. What talent does she have other than suckering a dumb prince?

[quote]other than suckering a dumb prince?

And after a year of marriage, she isn't even suckering.

The Duchy of Lancaster yields in net proceeds, which are the ones that go to the Sovereign, just about the same revenues as the Duchy of Cornwall: about 20 million pounds annually, from which the Queen makes a voluntary contribution to the Treasury, despite the Duchy being tax-exempt, just like the Duchy of Cornwall. The Sovereign cannot touch the capital of the estate, which is worth tens of millions more, and it is managed by a cabinet officer, but she still gets the net proceeds to do with what she pleases.

So although there are some differences between how the two royal duchies are handled and managed (the Prince of Wales is responsible for how the Duchy of Cornwall is managed), the result is pretty much the same: an astronomical, tax-exempt some pouring in each year to one person's coffers.

Once Charles becomes King, William takes over the Duchy of Cornwall, that funding stops for Harry, and gets transferred to Charles, who presumably will keep funding Harry but from another duchy's revenues.

^*tax exempt sum (not some)

^^That was meant to respond to R402 R418

Meanwhile, back in Old Blighty, Princess Eugenie's mother- and father-in-law both have the virus, the father-in-law is in serious condition in Intensive Care. Eugenie was seen delivering boxes of food the other day to somewhere; the Queen is in isolation and making a major address to the nation on Sunday (lest anyone get any ideas that HM did this all on her own, do remember that she does nothing of the kind without the government either encouraging or allowing her to do so, and also approves the speech itself); Charles is clearly still ill; the PM is ill; William and Kate are making calls to the NHS and talking about home schooling the kids; Beatrice has put off her wedding . . .

whilst the folks at home get regular DM stories about Meghan's hopes for her "next" acting job, how excited Meghan is to be in Hollywood, how this is what Meghan's always wanted, how excited Harry is to be close to all that glamour . . .

And if you think those stories are accidental in Britain's most-read paper at a time of crisis for Britain - think again. This is the DM's way of cementing the image of the Sussexes as lazy, traitorous, ungrateful, callous, shallow shites.

The DM aren't wrong on that score, but still . . . the contrast doesn't do the Sussexes any favours.

[quote]The DM aren't wrong on that score, but still . . . the contrast doesn't do the Sussexes any favours.

And deservedly so.

[quote]Charles is clearly still ill

Not that ill. Today he got up got dressed and dedicated a hospital via video link.

R421 Fergie is ill? BoJo is very ill it seems.

R424 Not Fergie, Princess Eugenie's mother-in-law and father-in-law.

Thanks R423. I loved to old, scuffed upright piano (rescued from a pub) behind him loaded with various framed snaps. And the old wires coming out from the plugs in the wall. And the half-dead plants. In know the BRF are frugal, when they're not spending $1m on a wedding dress for Meghan, but this is crazy frugal.

Who are Princess Eugenie's mother-in-law and father-in-law, God help them?

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Guys, don't link Daily Fail crap: all we get is some bullshit video. Where is the link to the article R428?

R415, some women never get their waist back.

Here is a link to The Sun. R429

[quote]I loved to old, scuffed upright piano (rescued from a pub) behind him loaded with various framed snaps. And the old wires coming out from the plugs in the wall. And the half-dead plants.

Thank goodness Camilla isn't there. The last thing we need to see is her wandering naked into the shot. "Charles, where did I leave that bottle of gin?"

R426: "I loved to old, scuffed upright piano (rescued from a pub) behind him loaded with various framed snaps. And the old wires coming out from the plugs in the wall. And the half-dead plants. In know the BRF are frugal, when they're not spending $1m on a wedding dress for Meghan, but this is crazy frugal."

Fuck the half-dead plants: look at his teeth. What would a little cosmetic dentistry cost? THAT is frugal.

An aside - Eugenie's wedding dress and the beautiful Greville emerald tiara were exquisite. Just perfect for her.

[quote] What would a little cosmetic dentistry cost?

No one is going to the dentist in the pandemic, it seems.

He's had 70 years, R435, 50 of them as an adult. Braces in adolescence might have helped then, but he's well past that. Time enough for an occasional visit, surely? A cleaning, anyway?

Charles has to conserve money now that his son has married a gold digging whore. AND he has to worry about Meghan Markle as well.

If Meghan and Harry had gone more slowly with their exit plans, they would still be in Britain during this crisis and might have had an opportunity to polish their tarnished image through good works and shows of support to the public. As it is, they look even worse than they already did. Should have listened to all the advice they got not to go bolting off . . . but since when do they listen to anyone?

If I were Charles, at the end of that speech, I would cough a few times and say, "If Harry hadn't left us, I wouldn't have to get off my sickbed and do this."

I don’t think Harry wants to help English people.

He seemed to hate them even before Markle came along.

[quote] I don’t think Harry wants to help English people.

He's a Hun.

I don't think Charles was in very good health before all the Megexit drama and the case of coronavirus, I don't think his life span will be anywhere as long as his mother's.

So Meg had better make sure she divorces harry before Charles kicks it! She can probably squeeze a few million out of the old man, but William won't give her one fucking dime.

William has no use for Meghan and is quite angry with his brother right now for all this needless drama, it's pretty obvious. Harry and Meghan better hope and pray that Charles (aka their personal ATM) lives a long time, because William is going to put the smack down when he's in charge of the $$$.

R426, I love that old money shabbiness. On a recent Windsors episode, Charles and Camilla visit the Middletons, and of course their home is a charmless McMansion in which everything is new and tacky.

R444 - This is why you can't trust these roman a clef royal shows: in fact, the manor that the Middletons bought is old, loaded with charm, and judging from the one interview Carole Middleton did a year or two ago with some photos of the estate allowed, it is anything but a McMansion.

See, that's where the writers of these shows go off the rails: they ASSUME, from their own snobbish perspective, that no one like Carole Middleton could possibly appreciate the difference between the "old money" and "new money" strata/ Bit she does - no one better, in my opinion. It's why her hopes were on George Percy, the Northumberland ducal heir - only when Pippa was over thirty and It Was Time! and Pippa clearly wasn't going to catch a Major Aristo did Pippa and Ma Middleton accept that Matthews was the best Pippa would do. And he's got a title, if a small and only symbolic one (Laird of something or other in Scotland). Matthews isn't nouveau riche the way the Middletons are, but believe me, in Britain, those distinctions are not exactly hard to discern.

If anyone fell into the screaming overgilded new money look, it was Raine Spencer, Diana's father's widow, who had Althorp done up so that it looked a Disneyesque version of itself.

Carole Middleton is far too shrewd for that. That old money cachet is precisely what she was after.

The Middleton's "McMansion":

"Carole and her husband Michael own Bucklebury Manor, in Bucklebury, West Berkshire – a substantial Grade II-listed Georgian manor house set on over 18 acres. The Middletons' grandson, Prince George, spent his first few weeks at Bucklebury Manor. In 2002, Carole and Michael Middleton bought "with cash" a flat in Chelsea, London, in which their children lived after completing their university studies."

So, you were saying about the McMansion bit?

Chill. The Windsors is a comedy. On the show the Middletons are gypsies. It's actually quite funny.

R447 - I'm sure it is quite funny. I'm also sure that most of the people who watch it believe everything it portrays. That portrayal of the Middletons as unable to tell the difference between the cost of a thing and taste, however, I would wager a month's pension isn't because the writers are trying to be funny, but because they never checked into the Middleton's home and made assumptions of their own.

Funny, fine. But still entrenching a stereotype: ordinary people can't appreciate class and taste the way old money does. So, funny or not, it's still a snobby smear on the writers' parts.

Dude, the Middletons are GYPSIES on the show. No one believes the Middletons are gypsies or anything else on the show. Having their house look like a McMansion is the least offensive thing they have done.

It's clear you haven't watched the show. The writers poke fun at everyone. It's crazy over the top and and all in good fun.

If you're gonna get offended by something as simple as them portraying the Middletons as living in a McMansion, I'd hate to see what you think about how they portray Pippa.

Lighten up and have a good laugh.

Right, R449? Even as I watched it I thought to myself that the Middletons probably actually live in a grand old pile. It was more a joke about English class tropes and Charles' snobbiness and the general perception that the Middletons are nouveau riche social climbers.

I adore the Camilla character even though I assume she's not a ball-busting, envious, scheming murderess.

Yes, in that episode Charles becomes convinced the Middletons are planning to murder them and Camilla plans to poison them in return! I can't imagine anyone watching this show thinks it has anything to do with reality.

[quote] I don't think Charles was in very good health before all the Megexit drama and the case of coronavirus, I don't think his life span will be anywhere as long as his mother's. So Meg had better make sure she divorces harry before Charles kicks it! She can probably squeeze a few million out of the old man, but William won't give her one fucking dime.

So when William gets the Duchy of Lancaster, the Duchy of Cornwall goes to ... George?

What about MEEEEEEE?

R451 best of the season

"But Rogue Prince Has No Skills" Lol. And they thought they were escaping the tabloids.

How is Harry able to stay in the US? He won't give up royal status to become a US citizen. He's not really diplomatic.

R455 That is a question to which DL has no answer, amazingly not even a theory.

He's perma-famous--immigration is never a problem for people like him. The more pressing question is how he and Meghan plan to make money in their newfound home, especially given the current situation. I'm guessing Charles and his advisors have put an end date on the support from Papa.

^^^ I was just going to say that. Harry will be allowed to stay because there’s one set of rules for the rich and famous and another set of rules for you and me.

Yep. Publicly they'll bring up the excuse that he's married to a US citizen and father to another, ignoring the fact that plenty of families in the same situation are split up, sometimes for years, until all of the bureaucratic hurdles are cleared. This will never happen to Meghan and Harry.

[quote]he's married to a US citizen and father to another

Archie isn't a US citizen, is he? He was born in the UK. Or did Meghan have him registered as US citizen born in a foreign country?

R449 - Never claimed to have watched the show, but, all right, I'll take your word for it that it's so silly no one believes it.

Meghs was in the throes of all sorts of immigration bureaucracy in the UK. The US is simply going to say OK Harry, come and live here, work here?

That's actually a good point, R460. Here's what the law says:

A person born abroad in wedlock to a U.S. citizen and an alien acquires U.S. citizenship at birth if the U.S. citizen parent has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the person’s birth for the period required by the statute in effect when the person was born (INA 301(g), formerly INA 301(a)(7)).

For birth on or after November 14, 1986, the U.S. citizen parent must have been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for five years prior to the person’s birth, at least two of which were after the age of 14.

This makes it sound as if Archie is NOT automatically a US Citizen, given that Meghan had not been living in the US for the five years prior to his birth.

Harry will probably get Permanent Residence status. If he becomes an American citizen, he will have to state he is giving up allegiance to all other nations and his noble title. He'll never do that, or he may as well tell the Queen to yank his Sussex title, style of HRH, and submit a bill to Parliament removing him from the line of succession now.

They need to cling to their royal connection, however tenuously. It's the card they need to keep playing as the reason anyone would give them the time of day. So, no, Harry won't become a US citizen unless and until he and Meghan really feel that they don't need those connections any longer.

It's the tax stuff that is problematic. With Permanent Residence status, I believe Harry's earnings will be subject to both UK and US taxation. Of course, HM and the courtiers did warn Harry and Meghan about this . . .

There's the double tax treaty so tax won't be a problem. How does Hals get a green card (sounds like Archie needs one too)?

R463, it doesn't mean the 5 years exactly prior to the baby's birth, it means 5 years anytime in the parent's life, 2 of which were after the age of 14. Meghan didn't go off to Canada (and did she even live there full time?) until her 20s, so she more than fulfills that requirement. Archie is a dual citizen.

Harry has no skillz.

Ok R467 so he won't be getting the Melania/Einstein green card. But there are other categories, which all take time.

It probably will take time to sort out Harry's immigration status, but in the meantime, he'll be left alone by INS. This would not be the case for an ordinary person.

No, he won't be bothered by INS because INS was shut down in 2003. (You need to get out from under your caftan more often R469.)

I really think he entered the country on a diplomatic passport, which largely separates him from immigration issues. My hometown is a major equestrian area. There was at least one foreign family in town, who lived on a big estate. They were cousins of one of the middle eastern dictators/leaders, and they were here on diplomatic passports, even though none of them served a diplomatic purpose. The only reason anyone knew this is because the daughter was caught along with her boyfriend drunk driving and the father got it done away with so as not to create an international incident. I never met the daughter, who attended a private school but the boyfriend went to school with me.

I SHALL DO AS I LIKE IN MY CAFTAN, R470.

Anyway, you know what I meant. Whatever the fuck Immigration is called now, it's not going to bother the Duke of Sussex one tiny bit.

ICE for Harry

Harry will get the "Whoa! He's a fucken Prince with a Title and he's related to the Queen, so we're gonna look the other way and just sign this here document' status handed to him on a silver platter, in a hushed way of course...

Will they both get the $1200 Coronavirus stimulus payment?

Meghan will get the stimulus payment, if she's been filing IRS returns despite being in the UK. Harry doesn't file IRS returns, yet.

[quote] Harry doesn't file IRS returns, yet.

But there's a bill currently being floated in the House to give it to illegals.

Yeah R477 AOC is taking up cudgels for our boy!

Have they chosen the gull who is to going to loan them their first home in LA?

One does delight in imagining the piquant plinkings — Plink-ka-plink! Plink-ka-plink! — of the fearsome ICE lapping lugubriously against the idle walls of My Love’s rapidly vacating skull, interrupting, however perfunctorily, the beloved génocidaires of both axon and dendrite alike with myriad silent shrieks My Love knows not how to interprolapse. #Believe

The Windsors is hilarious. I'm disappointed that they couldn't get the original Harry back for the 3rd season. I think he was more in the spirit of the show than this new one.

***spoiler alert*** I love that Freddie Windsor went blind from drinking Beatrice and Eugenie's liquor. Ha!! Who would have thought that one up.

Agreed. The original Harry had this perfect blend of oafish charm and complete braindead cluelessness. The new Harry is hotter, but that's about it.

R482 The Jack Brooksbank actor is hot as well, but looks nothing like his real life counterpart. I actually prefer the real life one.

The old Harry was sort of pasty-faced and looked fat (even though the actor wasn't) which fit right in with the idea that Harry was lazy and a bit dim.

Harry on The Windsors is more than just "a bit dim." He's illiterate.

Illiterate AND hilarious. And has an odd sweetness that is probably entirely lacking in the actual person.

And yes, Queen Victoria, played by Miriam Margoyles, sneaks in a Judi Dench joke AND cockring joke on The Windsors.

R483, all I knew about Eugenie's husband is that he is/was a "brand ambassador" for George Clooney's tequila, which of course they savagely skewer. Shots!

Wasn’t MM a “brand ambassador” for SoHo House? Or was she an... independent contractor operating on their properties?

If the Sussex's posts on their now dormant IG account are anything to go by, Harry and Meghan are both illiterate.

I wonder if the Queen will mention "my family" in her address in a few hours, and if she does, will she mention the Harkles. Unsurprisingly, and uncharacteristically wisely, they seem to have realised that discretion is the better part of valour, and have stopped trying vainly to make themselves appear "relevant" in a crisis that is, somewhat unexpectedly, going to last far longer and have far more extensive economic and social impact than anyone, least of all H&M bargained for.

My guess is, they're regrouping with their new "staff" and yet another round of reshaping and rebranding to take into account the impact of the COVID+19 crisis. Because it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that the world isn't just going back to the way it was when the Sussexes dropped their little bombshell in early January. Millions of lost jobs and consequently life savings and homes, busted retirement accounts, bread and butter issues replacing fancy catchwords like "female empowerment" - they have a limited window here to respond quickly to the changed environment, because events have not fallen into line with their objectives.

As someone said, "Life is what happens when you're making other plans."

Harry isn't used to enforced leisure 24/7. Whether he liked the work or not, he always had a diary of events and places he had to be and to prepare for. He's a former military man. He had an equerry, aides who briefed him on his next appearance, helped him write speeches . . .

The marriage will come out either stronger or weaker - which is probably true for many couples forced to confront each other 24/7 in a delimited space these days.

The latter, r489.

SoHo maven Markus got a profile on what Hawwy liked, then primed one of his best girls to GoGet'm.

This used to happen all the time in 19C Paris, the sophisticated pimp priming a Gigi for a rich mark, except usually the end of the story wasn't a marriage but a huge payoff.

Harry is just too dumb to survive.

Harry and Meghan's rebranding idea is toast. It's unlikely they would have pulled it off even without a global pandemic, but with one, nope. Nobody wants to hear their clueless half-woke bullshit anymore.

R488 I didn't know much about him, until the wedding. I have to say he won my heart that day, when he put on his glasses to watch Eugenie walk down the aisle and then teared up during the ceremony, you could tell he genuinely loves her.

R492 - I agree that they missed their Big Moment - whatever they do now will reek of "rebranding" to suit the times, and that alone will be a problem. They need to let things cool way down, but the longer they wait, the more likely they are to become yesterday's news. They're caught between those two pincers.

Bridge burning is a very dangerous form of arson. Makes a bright light and a big flash . . . and then the embers cool and if you haven't moved quickly to build something else, you end up burnt yourself.

It's going to take a couple of years for life to return to anything like normal, and it will be a New Normal, at that. By 2022, the reaction to them is going to be Sussex Who?

If Meghan were as smart as she pretends, she would have exited the family more gracefully, thereby giving the Sussexes a Plan B if the Hollywood plan went south.

If she were REALLY smart, she would have realized the extreme luck she had in obtaining the position of Royal Duchess in the first place and not exited at all.

That PR woman from The Gates Foundation will quit within a year.

Fact.

Why would a sane person leave a known, proven entity like the Gates Foundation for something so questionable and tenuous?...

She already told her friends if it goes tits up, she’ll have good stories for cocktail parties.

I think it was in People.

That's exactly the kind of heartless, cynical stance to take if you're going to work for the Sussexes, a couple with no loyalty to anyone but themselves.

R498 Good luck with that, Meghan’s going to NDA her into next Friday and beyond.

"If she were REALLY smart, she would have realized the extreme luck she had in obtaining the position of Royal Duchess in the first place and not exited at all. "

I suspect the title was contingent on her leaving the BRF. It's become increasingly clear that Harry's been unhappy with his role for a long time and wanted out, and IMHO the reason he married Meg out of all the women in the world who were after him, is that she promised to help him exit and build a new life of fame, wealth, and zero obligations to anyone.

Well, she gave it the old college try.

R498 - No - did she really?! I'm surprised Meghan hasn't sacked her already just for that.

So - who is paying the "staff" of this new "nonprofit entity"?

You know, the body of medical opinion is that unless a vaccine is rushed out quickly (which is unlikely if it isn't sufficiently tested), there will be another outbreak in the autumn.

How much time can the Sussexes afford to lose?

R496 - Actually, she left the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation (the Big One) before joining Pivotal Ventures, an investment and incubation company founded by Gates, in 2015. The odd thing is, the Pivotal Venture's mandate, was not to give out grants, but "to identify, help develop and implement innovative solutions to problems affecting U.S. women and families."

Which, interestingly, is probably exactly the kind of thing the Sussexes want to do - I always thought that rather than having to build enough of a portfolio to give out grants to other nonprofits already working in important arenas, they'd aim for one of those airy "thought-leader" bullshit nonprofits that explore/discuss/recommend - you know, hold annual retreats to collect ideas and then make important statements about what they'd learned . . .

It beats having to set up a nonprofit that actually works with needy populations ten ways from Sunday, trust me.

So, no wonder they went with Saint-Laurent. She's can give them all Gates' ideas on how to set this up.

Saint-Laurent is also blonde and quite pretty and younger than Meghan - I'm surprised Meghan is letting her anywhere near H.

Wouldn't THAT be a juicy future story, eh?

Who pays for the lawyers to write up all these NDAs that employees have to sign?

What R503 describes aligns with the impression I've got from the Sussex's PR releases and Harry's talk with "Greta". Maximum public posturing for them, minimum capital required.

Of course, their plans are ever-evolving. After Corona, they might more easily pivot to something purely commercial.

There's going to be a LOT of hot young snatch throwing itself at Harry in LA. Meghan better know some ways to keep that dick down. She ain't gettin' any younger.

Will she be pawing and grasping at him in LA, too?

R504 - Probably some in-house counsel at a law firm on retainer.

R507 - What a question! Of course she will. You don't think she'd let him off the leash amidst all those fresh twenty-something wannabe ingenues, do you?!

Check out Jan Moir's scathing column in the DM on Archewell.

"JAN MOIR: Not even the coronavirus crisis can stop Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's grandiose scheme to save the world... after they unveil Archewell charitable foundation

The most unfathomable mystery of all is simply why they have to continue to present themselves as all-encompassing do-gooders, armed with their grab bag of causes which include climate change, mental health, domestic violence and refugees?

All very worthy, of course, but the way they carry on, it’s almost as if no other charity in the world has ever done anything of note.

[last bits of the article] Yet why don’t they just quietly begin again in America, doing good works, making a difference and letting their philanthropic profile emerge naturally? I think we all know the answer to that – and it is embroiled in their corrosive relationship with celebrity.

Harry and Meghan – they have never knowingly undersold themselves. And with Archiewell they are not about to start now."

Archway Cookies

Archway area, London - Archway tube station - Archway Road

Archway Hotel

Archway Health

Archway Apothecary

And my personal favourite among those that showed up:

Archway Farm - "Pastured Park, from our family to yours"

Fartwell

Archer Farms is the Target generic brand, isn't it?

^yes

This should have read:

"And my personal favourite among those that showed up:

Archway Farm - "Pastured PORK, from our family to yours"

R511

If Harry had stayed in the BRF an extra year to iron out the terms of the exit, he'd have spent that year visibly looking good and possibly actually doing good during a pandemic. It'd have cemented his popularity for life!

Instead, he's spending the pandemic looking like a selfish stupid twat, and even if he starts flying a medical helicopter tomorrow, it'd still be too late. His image is tarnished forever, and his popularity will never recover.

Harry is a craven and evil tard.

The BRF and British aristocracy is inherently racist. Archie would be subject to all kinds of nonsense as a child. That nasty broach incident was one thing the general public witnessed, I am sure there were other private incidents. There always are. He was never going to be treated the same and H & M realized this. While the US is racist as well he stands a better chance as biracial here than there.

eyeroll @ r518

His mother is biracial. Archie is 1/4 black and looks entirely white.

R520, it will not matter. No matter how many times Tiger Woods claim not to be black people still reference him as black. Even the "common" British people made racist comments. One that sticks in my head: "If Queen were to ask for a nappy, one will wonder if she asking for a diaper or Archie".

You do you r521 . It's your thing. It's your psychosis.

Didn't Meghan incorporate something else using Archie's name? Like she did for her old corporations (used for the Tig, etc), and another new one? I don't recall any specifically for Harry.

Supposedly this organization is not named after Archie. Both names are based on the Greek word "arche" though it sounds pretty convoluted. They can re-write their own history. It wouldn't be the first time. The name Arch or Arche might have been more interesting for the little boy.

Interesting that this is going to be a charitable entity, but nothing was mentioned about it being non-profit.

What nasty subject did someone broach?

Oh, you mean brooch!

Oh that nasty inherently racist BRF! They only threw her a wedding that cost $30 million (where a 36 year old divorced actress whose probably fucked more men than Messalina as she climbed the greasy pole of the entertainment business wore a long white veil over her face), bought her a $75,000 gown for those ridiculously pretentious engagement photos, her racist father in law spent millions on her wardrobe and the furnishings for her five-bedroom home (Harry could never have afforded it, what the phrase "the Sussexes themselves paid for the furnishings" means they paid with the money Charles gave them) a half mile from Windsor Castle . . .

In less than two years, those two graceless, petulant, self-inflating blew through about $50 million in public and private funds for staff, travel, security, the wedding, their housing, etc., of which they never earned a penny.

If it weren't for the "inherently racist" BRF, Meghan would by now have faded into professional obscurity.

They only let her in BECAUSE she was biracial. If she'd been white, they'd have told Harry to wake up or go marry his grifter slut in an Elvis Chapel in Las Vegas.

And everyone knows Pss. Michael is a nasty cunt - the Queen could have told you that. She's not representative of everyone. , There's plenty of racism about, generally - but that doesn't mean that Meghan Markle didn't play the race card shrewdly from the beginning to get in. And then, when things didn't go the way she wanted them to, played it again t get out.

This could have gone several different ways, if only one constant had been different, and that constant wan't "racism" on the part of the BRF - it was Meghan's shallow, demanding, cheesy, Me First view of herself as a Thwarted Star.

The Charlatan Duchess site has a hilarious image up (sorry, I don't know how to post links) of an add for Snackwells (I believe that's an Archway cookie) superimposed on the former Sussex IG account below their monogram.

Didn't the Sussexes do research on other uses of the "Arch" name, and follow up with focus groups to get a bead on responses to the name before selecting it?! You know, the way real entrepreneurs do before going public?

What kinds of "entrepreneurs" engaged in "branding" don't consult professionals (not academics at Stanford, but real branding companies with experience) and do focus groups before going public?

Exactly the kind you think: Entitled grifters who don't have the slightest idea what they are doing.

This is where a link to archewellfoundation.com leads one.

R528 - OMG.

Oops, should be from.

Someone purchased the domain name.

r528 Hahahahahahahahaha *breath* hahahahahahahaha

Those two REALLY need to step away from the spotlight for a while, and give all the haters and snarkers time to find new targets!

Because they are such wonderful targets, who could resist.

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La Douchess d'Archewell

According to The Guardian, George and Amal "have donated more than one million dollars (£807,000) to the coronavirus relief effort."

Your move, Meghan and Harry.

Do they hate each other yet?

Harry's playing XBox all day and ignoring her.

R535 They don’t have a million dollars lying around on top of the dresser, especially not if they have to pay for their security entourage and their Los Angeles “forever home” and considering whatever they’ve already wasted on SussexRoyal and Archewell, because that’s money spent on themselves they’ll never see again much less be able to donate.

R538 - True. That's the interesting bit about Harry: he's lived all his life as a multi-millionaire, but he never was and still isn't. Not to say it all mightn't work out that way eventually, but they're far from it right now. Their source of funding for their personal use is still Charles, and even that isn't that much, perhaps $3 million annually in USD. And it's subject to tax, just like the revenues from his trust fund. For all we know, HM is also kicking in, but that won't be the kind of money they need for the life Meghan, especially, is looking for in the fleshpots of Hollywood and Malibu, either.

That's what the advantage was of their previous situation: she could have a million dollar wardrobe, expensive jewellery, a classy five-bedroom home, staff, luxe hols., but never have to pay for it or worry where the money's coming from.

However expensive their lifestyle there was compared to other Britons', it was middle-class compared to what Meghan dreams of in Hollywood. They don't have the money for a $5-$10 million home, security (which I still suspect the UK taxpayer is supporting at least in part), paying staff, funding their nonprofit or whatever they're calling it (I don't believe they have all that many "investors", especially given the bread and butter needs on the front burner - the US now has 15 million people out of work, and few are going to invest in something that really isn't all that compelling and probably won't be for a long time), etc.

The virus really threw a spanner in the works for the Sussexes. I doubt that Meghan, particularly, would be welcome back on the UK's public payroll by said public, even if she realised she'd be better off back there and she'd jumped ship before looking down to see if the lifeboats were ready. They just made one mistake after another.

And now, they (which is really to say, Meghan pushing Harry from behind) have burnt so many bridges that they've made any shot at getting back to port, so to speak, impossibly hard.

They've nailed their flag to the mast, and they're going to have to stick by it.

R539 Harry is/was a multi-millionaire, just not a super multi-millionaire. He inherited around $10 million from his mother, though it was in the form of a trust from which he receives around $450,000/year. Then there is a $17.5 million trust fund from the Queen Mother, that was split between him and William, but Harry got the bulk of the trust, because she realized William would one day inherit the Duchy of Cornwall.

Countdown to the Trust Troll melting down in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .

Harry is the Loser's Loser

[quote] Then there is a $17.5 million trust fund from the Queen Mother

Correction: the QM died in debt to the tune of £4m; the Queen paid off the QM's debts, so if said trust fund came from the QM's will, it was largely thanks to the Queen paying off the QM's debts.

They were first reported to be in California on March 26, presumably having arrived at least by a day or two before that as the US-Canada border was closed to non-essential travel on March 24th. Their quarantine should be over - yesterday was 14 days from March 25th - unless it hasn't been as uninterrupted as they might want us to think, like meeting with their "team" or looking at real estate. Or doing more voice-over work?

Shall we expect to see pictures of a glowing Doria en route to or back from a visit to see baby Archie?

Will we be seeing Meghan at Ralphs?

[quote] non-essential travel

Everything we do is essential. It was just more convenient for the US government that we travel when we did and we were please to oblige.

The same US government that didn't oblige her in return, saying on or shortly after their arrival that the US wasn't going to be covering their security costs?

That's not very welcoming, given how considerate they were...

What else could I do? I hardly ever heard of them. I knew them by reputation only. She did some good work for me in the past. I don't know the guy she's with now.

R543 From what I understand the Queen Mother had established the trust fund back in the 1950s and put some in it every year, so it was separate from her general debts. It isn't that unusual, someone I went to college with inherited a $2 million trust fund from their grandparent, even though the grandparent was in debt when they died.

Even counting Harry's trust fund from his mother, potential one from his great-gran, and another one in the future from Dad, it won't be enough to keep him and Meghan in A-list Hollywood style. Not unless he wants to start eating into the principal, which would leave them broke in a few years. Even counting the interest from all 3 trust funds, their income wouldn't be more than 1 million a year. That's a fantastic income for most people, but not for the circles they wish to belong to.

Millions on paper (and there are no verifiable reports anywhere of it being more than about 30 million) aren't the same as millions in cash income on an annual basis.

A trust fund means you'll never starve. Liquidating the principle means less and less annual cash income from revenues from the trust. Eventually, both the income and the trust disappear. In addition. whatever Harry gets from those trusts is subject to standard taxes in the UK.

The point is, he may have millions on paper but he can't touch it - in terms of the cash to buy what Meghan is after, he's can't. You don't take a third of a trust fund out to buy a $10 million house, and as I asked once before, anyone want to take a guess at what the property taxes and insurance are on a house like that?

Harry doesn't have the cash income, even with his father's extra $3 million (for this year, anyway) to buy, maintain, and support a place like that. He's not Clooney or Pitt or Beyonce or Taylor Swift or the Kardashians.

That's why leaving the genteel, high status, prestigious, all expenses paid gig in which he LOOKED like a multi-millionaire was so stupid.

In the 1950s, Charles was a kid and William and Harry wouldn't exist for another 30 years. And absolutely NO ONE will answer why she would have neglecgted all her other grandchildren for the two GREAT-grandchildren of the richest man in the family.

And no one has ever produced a shred of proof of said trust fund.

[quote] whatever Harry gets from those trusts is subject to standard taxes in the UK.

If he gets a green card, he'll have to pay US tax too, although there is some relief under the double tax treaty.

Some trust funds can buy capital assets like a mansion and it becomes part of the trust fund. But the trustees would not do that unless the property taxes and insurance were manageable: eg paid by someone else like Charles; or sustainable long term out of the remaining liquid part, if any, of the trust fund. Some English trusts were not allowed to insure real estate, although that situation may have been changed by statute.

Whether he has 1 trust or 2 or, in the future, 3, he'll never have enough to run with the A-listers. I suppose he and Meghan thought they could spin their fame and Royal status into a fortune all their own, but that's never going to happen now. COVID-19 has thrown ice water on any plans they had to strike while the iron is hot. The entertainment business is stopped dead for the immediate future, and people have far more worthy places to put their charitable funds than Archewell.

Nor can they about-face and run home to England. Not after the nastiness in the press where they slagged off Harry's family, the Royal lifestyle, and Britain in general.

In plain terms, they are fucked. If Harry divorced Meghan and went home, his family would take care of him. But his public popularity has taken a hit from which it will likely never recover.

African despots would give them money.

And they'd take it.

[quote] African despots would give them money.

Which ones?

Harry probably has no clue about finances, and doesn't actually realize you can't live like a billionaire on a few million. And while that's a guess, I'm darned sure he has NO clue how hard it is to earn more! If he wants to hang with the Hollywood A-listers, he has absolutely no idea how hard they've worked to get where they are, and he sure as hell isn't going to do the same himself. He just expects the money to be there, it always has been.

Meghan ought to have a clue, she worked for a living, but it doesn't seem she does.

R558 It's not just about the money, it's the lifestyle which cannot be reproduced. You go to lunch with granny you get sorbet between courses, flunkies everywhere calling you 'Your Royal Highness' or 'Sir', palatial surroundings, Old Masters on all the walls, respect, deference, pocket money which you don't have to spend 'cos everything is already laid on. You go to lunch with dad, same thing; plus he may agree a further outrageous amount of money from the Duchy of Cornwall (soon to be William's estate!!!) to fund your dud life in Hollywood. You go home to Kensington Palace, same thing. Money can't buy that kind of life: it's what Harry has known forevah; now he has Meghan.

Each thought the other would fund them after they left.

HAHAHAHAHA

R560: that sounds like my father and his third wife who looked like Eva Peron. Ha!

How much do they get when they AirBNB Frogmore Cottage?

AirBNB is fucked.

R562 - Not enough to pay the rent, which is about $400,000 a year.

I have a feeling these two are going to end up being the new Tori and Dean, only thanks to Harry's trust funds they will have a small stable income.

R551 From what I understand, she set up the trust to provide for Charles' children, because she knew Charles would be taken care of through the Duchy of Cornwall, she then understood his eldest child would also eventually have the Duchy, but that he might have to wait awhile for it, so she left some for William but the larger share to Harry because he will never have a duchy.

'Skip-Trusts' are a thing. The immmediate children of the wealthy usually have the family business to provide wealth in their lifetimes, doling out massive dividends and 'salaries' in to their Family Trusts. The 'skip-trusts' presumes that wealth will not carry through to the next generation (thanks boomer!), hence Trusts set up for the grandchildren.

[quote]I have a feeling these two are going to end up being the new Tori and Dean

Or maybe Torvill and Dean?

R567 No, the talent isn't there.

[quote] From what I understand, she set up the trust to provide for Charles' children, because she knew Charles would be taken care of through the Duchy of Cornwall, she then understood his eldest child would also eventually have the Duchy, but that he might have to wait awhile for it, so she left some for William but the larger share to Harry because he will never have a duchy.

"she then understood" R565 are you saying the QM was slow? she knew all of this before you were even born, I imagine.

Did you know that there was once one of those bachelor type programs that used a fake Prince Harry? Maybe they could revive that with a throuple theme?

I Wanna Marry Harry But I Have To Find A Way To Get The Grifter Out Of The Way

R569 There are multiple definitions of then. I was using then as a form of "in addition." As in she in addition understood.

Can someone please relate, briefly, bullit points, no shade, just facts, if that is possible on this dump of a website, how Meghan turned up at Kensington Palace in the first place un-announced and snared poor Hal?

R572, Hal is a nick name for Harold. Harry's formal name is Henry. If you're looking for a short name for him, perhaps you might call him Hank.

No dear sweet fool. Hal is a very old short version of Henry. Please try to engage your brain before you type.

They were introduced by mutual friends, in London r572. Some believe it was Misha Nonoo, but other names have been bandied about. They were set up on blind date in Summer 2016, and the rest as they say, is history.

Met in July 2016, engaged by Fall 2017, married May 2018, first baby a year later. Megexit Jan 2020. Very quick timeline, whirlwind.

No, R574, it's not.

Prince Hal, in Shakespeare, went on to become Henry V.

You got owned, r576.

Even I knew that from high school Shakespeare.

R576 is a Soviet troll. FF

Yeah, I guess I'm starting to feel a moiety of sympathy for Meg, who spent so many years on the outside of the A-list, looking in and as feeling desperate to be included as Stella Dallas. All the merching and moneymaking and "charitable" opportunities must have looked so easy from that distance, it must have looked to her like all a person has to do to get showered with money and couture is be famous enough. But all the real A-listers do their damndest to make it look easy, they hide all the hard work and image-crafting and backstabbing and ugly deals from the C-listers, as well as from the general public.

And here she had to find out it's not nearly as easy as it looks in the full glare of the public eye, and with a spoiled twerp husband demanding that she come up with 50 million a year NOW.

And yet . . . and yet . . . had she been willing to follow a few simple rules, she could have had that easy, fabulous A-list life. All the hard work of maintaining the Royal image is done by others: All the main players really have to do is follow advice and behave. The sad part about Meghan Markle's situation is that she WON. She had it all in the bag, but she could never seem to accept that and threw it all away at the first opportunity. The mind boggles.

Where are they living now? Do they have a house? Are they crashing on Doria's sofa? What's going on?

R582 Doesn't LA have skid row?

She really did leave too soon. Had she encouraged Harry to stay, and burnished her image with good deeds for the BRF, even for a few more years, she could’ve had it all. The negative press would’ve diminished in the face of her adhering to royal protocol, and she and he could’ve emerged as as the new face of royal adjacents. I bet even Princess Michael would’ve come around...

Princess Michael did come 'round, wearing that blackamoor pin.

Nobody, including the BRF, cares what Princess Michael thinks. They all know she's a cunt. The important people: HM, Charles, etc. went out of their way to welcome her and indulge the new couple, even after Meghan's boorish behavior with the press and over the wedding details. She repaid them with even more bad behavior and an early exit.

R577 - "Prince Hal, in Shakespeare, went on to become Henry V."

You don't say!

You know that "Once more into the breach!". . . bit also from Henry V? It ends, "For God, Harry, and St George!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Ditto in the St Crispin's Day speech, "Then shall our names, familiar in their mouths as household words, HARRY the King, Bedford and Exeter, Warwic and Talbot . . ."

Hal and Harry are both nicknames for Henry.

^*WarwicK

R587, one never likes to state the obvious, but it needed to be stated for the benefit of the poster who insisted Hal is a diminutive of Harald.

[quote] Nobody, including the BRF, cares what Princess Michael thinks. They all know she's a cunt.

The way the Queen put it was that Princess Michael was, "much too grand for a family like ours."

“The way the Queen put it was that Princess Michael was, "much too grand for a family like ours."

Bitch was just jealous because I had a better pedigree. I was what she couldn’t be because of her uncle: royalty who lived her own life.

R591 Pedigree? Nobody gives a shit about the uradel Silesian nobility, also your father was a fucking Nazi.

At the time Prince and Princess Michael got married the tabloids were all screaming, "NAZI" but they were also screaming, "GOLD DIGGER" about the bride.

Princess Michael actually stated in an interview I saw many years ago that, and I quote "I had a batter background than anyone else who married into the family except my mother-in-law!"

Her belle mere was, of course, Princess Marina of Greece and Denmark. A BORN HRH, who once referred to the then Duchess of York as "that common little Scottish girl" (until said common little Scottish girl became Queen).

You get some idea of PM's delusions of grandeur when you look at the pedigree of, say, Princess Alice of Gloucester, daughter of the Duke of Buccleuch (pronounced Buck-lew for you non-Brits), which PM seemed to have conveniently overlooked.

The Queen allegedly calls PM "Our Val" (short for Valkyrie and based partly on PM's towering physique as well as her Teutonic origins).

The rest of the family probably feels similarly about both Princess Michael and Meghan, Duchess of Sussex.

R593 Makes sense, she is a gold digging Nazi. Also, it is known that she has over the years whored herself out to the rich and powerful, with the full permission of her husband, to help fund their lifestyle. For instance, it is known that they regularly traveled to Texas during the oil boom in the 1980s, supposedly to be guests at cultural events. But, she would spend much of the time in hotel rooms with oil barons while Prince Michael waited in the lobby. I'm surprised Dallas didn't make it into a storyline, perhaps they didn't because they knew the show was popular with members of the BRF.

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R595 - All true. Princess Michael is a cunt of the first order. But she differs from Meghan in how far from the throne her husband was when they married - he wasn't even the oldest son, but the "spare" to the Kent ducal title. Taxpayers never had to shell out for the Kents what they did for the Sussexes - and in such a short time.

Prince Michael himself is a wet mess.

Look at Queen Maxima of The Netherlands, who reminded me of PM in some ways, and suffered similar prejudice re her father's political past, also a big rangy attractive but not quite pretty woman - there was a good deal of resentment against her. But she won the Dutch over with her sunny personality, hard work, mastery of Dutch, and devotion to her husband and family.

You can overcome some bad vibes, but you have to have some capacity for self-awareness and objectivity, and the ability to correct and take different approaches when one doesn't work.

Queen Margrethe of Denmark warned once that everyone who marries into the royal family does so in a shower of rose petals - only later to the thorns appear.

It's not like folks don't know about what marry-ins face, though. They could just read any of the dozen Princess Diana bios out there. If Meghan didn't know, it's because she didn't do even basic research.

Even Prince Philip was treated like shit when he married in, and he's a descendant of Queen Victoria just like his wife. There's always a hazing period: Philip, Tony Snowden, Fergie and Di, Sophie and Kate, they all went through it. Only Meghan bolted after 2 years.

Sarah was only really in for about 5 years, but I think she would have stayed in if the tabloids hadn't made it impossible.

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