Coronavirus Freakout 23: An Abundance of Caution

Previous thread, comrades.

Listen lady, if you’re going to run these threads you NEED TO STOP JUMPING THE GUN. JUST WAIT UNTIL ABOUT R585 UNTIL STARTING A NEW ONE.

It was done by request, asshole r2. The OP on the previous thread was sock puppeting.

Thank you Miss Fowler. The witty shall prevail.

Where are the test kits? Where are the ventilators and masks? JFC, where are they?

R2

I couldn’t even scroll through the last one anymore. You want it done right, do it yourself. Otherwise quit yer bitching.

Now...is Trump dead yet??

R2, you’re a fucking idiot and a loud cunt. Sylvia was specifically asked to start this thread to prevent a dissent troll from starting it. Take your all-caps shouting and sit the fuck down.

Thank you, Sylvia Fowler! The OP of the last thread posts contradictory opinions and sock puppets himself.

I'm sure Mrs. Stephen Haines forgives you now for reasons you are well aware.

And no poll as ever.

Thanks, Sylvia. At least your ego is happy.

Having ranted, and I won’t again, I am watching Cuomo and thinking about Trump.

I am an objective based planner, when I have a workplace.

Cuomo’s objective is to manage the crisis to save lives. You see it in everything he says.

Trump’s objective: cover his ass. He’s so not up to his job.

Actual footage of me and R2.

I also loved Cuomo scolding NYC only because what a dose of stupid. Did you see that photo of the outdoor market that he showed? Crazy. London’s Borough Market is no better. We cannot break the chain if people don’t restrict.

Cuomo getting annoyed with his dog! I never liked him, but I do now. Is it too late for him to run for president?

Trump retweeted this this am (from Fox News’ Maria Bartiromo)

[quote]Tomorrow join us #Exclusive @SundayFutures @FoxNews 10am et #Live @WhiteHouse peter Navarro @marcorubio @WarRoom2020 steve Bannon @JNJNews ceo Alex Gorsky & @DHS_Wolf #ChinaVirus #coronavirus latest #stimulous

hashtag #ChinaVirus hashtag #stimulous

OK, Sylvia, let’s keep the showboating in check. Trust me, popularity is fleeting.

Thank you R2.

Cuomo: ‘No need to run to the grocery store and hoard food and toilet paper.”

THANK YOU Mr. Mayor.

I hope some day next year President Biden awards the Presidential Medal of Freedom to Cuomo. Love him or hate him, he’s leading right now.

Fauci probably should get one too. He’s imperfect but his choreography is fairly impressive, given the ass coverer in chief standing on the podium.

Corey Johnson, NYC speaker, just got a scruff shake from Cuomo. I wouldn’t have wanted to be on that phone call. Whoever was may be working from the burn unit.

^^GOVERNOR Cuomo.

[quote]he’s leading right now.

Governor Cuomo is not only leading, he is performing another service: Calming the Masses. Listen to his words, he talks about family, his mother, his brother, his dog, he complains about costs of masks, he's trying to be Big Brother to everyone.

Joy Reid: “Governor Cuomo is speaking but what I have to say is MORE IMPORTANT so Imma cut him off right now.”

Me: CLICK

And now CNN follows suit with Stelter. Fuck off both of you.

A staffer at Buckingham Palace tested positive for the coronavirus while Queen Elizabeth II was staying there, according to a report.

The unidentified aide fell ill and tested positive for the virus earlier last week — before the 93-year-old monarch moved from the palace to protect herself, The Sun said.

“The worker tested positive before the Queen left for Windsor [Castle],” a source told the UK paper.

“The Palace has 500 members of staff so, like any workplace, it’s not inconceivable it would be affected in some stage,” the source conceded.

Every member of Royal Household staff that the infected aide came into contact with has been ordered into self-isolation, the paper says. It was not known how close the worker got to the Queen while infected.

The palace told the paper it could not comment “on individual members of staff.”

“In line with the appropriate guidance and our own processes, we have taken the necessary actions to protect all employees and people involved,” a palace spokeswoman told the paper.

It comes amid reports that the Queen is planning to address the nation amid nationwide panic about escalating deaths and infections.

“The voice of Her Majesty will provide calm reassurance that, ultimately, we will get through this,” a source from Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s 10 Downing Street office told The Sun.

R24 she’s had a good run

The gloves are off, I’m treating every Trumpster I know like dirt from now on.

[quote]Per morning briefing, @nyphospital has 558 inpatients with #COVID19 this morning. About 20% in ICUs. "That is a very large number...Many, many of them will require ICU care."

That’s 110 critical corona virus patients in ICU. In ONE hospital system (New York Presbyterian.)

Watch CBSNews on Roku. You can choose regional broadcasts--CBS NY is carrying Cuomo's briefing live and without interruptions.

she's 55. that can't be her real age. she's friends with Madonna.

Since we all have a stake in the thread and democracy is a good thing, and I am apparently obsessed with a mood poll, can I ask if we can agree as a thread on a format for this thread going forward? (Like I said, at work, I plan for a living... but I didn’t plan for this!)

So, by W&W votes, lets see if a substantial number agrees:

Whoever starts the next thread won’t do so until the previous thread reaches R570. They will indicate on the prior thread they are creating it, to prevent duplicates. Don’t ask for permission, just announce you’re creating, first. At that point, it’s settled.

The thread will have a title than includes Corona Virus #:

The OP will have a photo

The OP will have a poll, rating anxiety from 1 - 10

The second post will link to the prior thread. — If no one else cares, I’m happy to shut up about process going forward.... generally I find DL is slightly kinder these days, and sometimes tempers are shorter. I believe everyone means well even if from time to time we do work one another’s nerves.

That's odd, R11, because the Sylvia Fowler I see in my mind's eye is this one

Children, pleeeze ..........

By the way, there are lots of scams. FBI warns of scams related to the virus

What it’s like to have corona virus: people report their symptoms. Many start out with headaches, then lots of muscle aches, intermittent fevers. Some feel better for awhile, then suddenly crash and have to run to the nearest ER.

Cute

Fauci already has a Presidential Medal of Freedom (bestowed by George W. Bush).

Nearly 1 in 10 of Italy’s infected are health care workers. 18 have died.

[quote]A total of 4,826 healthcare workers in Italy have been infected by the novel coronavirus, according to the latest information Sunday from Italy’s National Health Institute (ISS). That means some 9% of those infected nationwide by Covid-19 are healthcare workers.

[quote]Italy’s National Federation of Surgeons and Dentists is publishing a record of doctors who have contracted and died of Covid-19 since the start of the outbreak. It lists 18 doctors who have passed away since March 11; of those, 15 are from Lombardy, the hardest-hit region and the epicenter of Italy’s outbreak.

Look to Italy to see our future, two weeks or so from now. We’re doing exactly what they did with the slow rollout of piecemeal restrictions instead of one big total shutdown as China did.

I feel guilty.

I adore Queen Elizabeth II. I want her to be alive and remain alive until a gentle demise.

Still, (and, this is why I feel guilty) assuming I outlived her, I was looking forward to the televised pageantry and gathering of her family (Where are Harry and Meghan seated?!) world leaders and celebrities at her State Funeral.

Ok, I'll come clean - I was looking forward to the DL thread covering her funeral.

But now, if she dies in the next few months, there won't be one, at least not until next year.

I know. I have all the depth of a plastic bathtub duck.

Lillibet succumbing to this Oriental lung thingie would be just dreadful . . .

It'll give Princess Michael of Kent an excuse to wear that broach again.

There was a column or article in WaPo, can’t find it now, the suggested we need to reconsider our relationship with China when this is all over.

I agree. Certain things, like pharmaceutical components, should not be heavily imported from there. I’m also less keen on their role in 5G infrastructure, or whatever it is.

We need to start paying what it costs to have things manufactured in countries we can trust. I am not certain we can trust the government of China. Or perhaps I mean it’s should trust it. Trust is earned. Let the government of China earn it.

Cuomo must have fucked up their messaging... still no White House briefing.

God bless him, he’s running this crisis through social distancing!

Interesting bit in Cuomo’s presser... a push for sero testing to see who’s got antibodies. As more and more people are found to have immunity, a workforce re-emerges.

Recall, 80% of cases are mild.

If they can get that blood test process up and running in a month we may be a long way toward identifying those who are safe. That will be a huge step toward normalization. Or are there actual scientists who can tell me this is crazy? I think it’s what Cuomo was arguing.

BBC-The number of people who have died from coronavirus in the UK now stands at 281 - a rise of 48 - the government has said. There are now 5,683 confirmed cases in the UK - a rise of 665 on Saturday.

BBC- Italy has reported 651 new deaths from coronavirus, taking the total number of dead to 5,476, the government says.

Sharon Stone is still fighting the good fight!

In the UK, Channel 4 just aired The Simpsons Movie. Just what we need right now: a film about a town being put in isolation.

R43, this may be what you’re looking for. A friend on FB posed the same question this morning, and a woman who works for Science Magazine posted this link in response.

Rand Paul has it.

And given his holding up the first aid bill with a pointless amendment, I'm convinced that means the virus has a sense of humor.

I wonder how many committee meetings etc. Paul was in.

Alex Witt brought up on MSNBC about politicians, celebrities and the wealthy being able to get tested, but not the average American. You are seeing class warfare at its worse right now.

Watch Martha go after FEMA boy...

The Hill:

Rand Paul becomes first senator to test positive for coronavirus

Please, Grim Reaper, take him and McTurtle. We all need some good news right now.

WSJ:

Confirmed Coronavirus Infection Cases Double in a Week to Pass 310,000

Glad to see the virus doesn’t care who you are.

Next victim: Angela Merkel:

Mother Nature has decided it’s time for change.

Here are my notes from a walk today in SF: beautiful day, streets are deserted except for people getting exercise. Only the minority wave or say hi. Typical for SF. The bad: a car break in, homeless digging through trash, delivery drivers seem stressed out, and people are discarding masks or their napkins in elevators or on the street. Who do they think is going to pick up after them? I would be curious to hear about other cities.

Placido Domingo diagnosed

I have been out gardening all day. It’s beautiful and sunny, not hot yet. All the flowers are starting to bloom. People are biking, walking dogs, and being friendly. I’m outside of DC.

I'd like to go outside. It was nice and in the 50s/60s last week here. Last night it was 23 and today its 30. Gotta stay in.

R48, Reminds me: I got chickenpox in the late 70s. As I recall it, it was a mild case, just a few spots. Fast forward about 35 years later, when I worked as a contractor for a cancer hospital. We had to either provide proof of vaccination to chickenpox, or get a blood test showing that we had antibodies, because chickenpox could be a big deal to the patients. My lab results showed that, after all that time, I was still producing antibodies to the chickenpox virus. That was proof enough to the hospital that I wasn't in danger of infecting the patients.

How are advertising companies producing these "we're all in this together" commercials for corporations?

I heard on Sky News that an eighteen-year-old with underlying health problems has died of COVID-19 in the UK.

Did I miss the Trump presser today or did they skip their daily shitfest?

Trump campaign presser at 4:30 pm, r67.

They must have moved it up 30 minutes. CNN now saying presser in at 5:00 pm r67.

98 NYPD members test positive.

I forgot that Andrew used to be married to Robert Kennedy's daughter. Why did they get divorced?

NJ is #2 in the nation now...

Does anyone remember just last week the speculation we would reach 10,000 by the weekend.

She probably couldn't listen to that honkin' Queens accent anymore, R71.

R73 - Yes, very much so. Now, we are 3rd in the world (will probably pass Italy in cases by Friday)

[quote] Many start out with headaches, then lots of muscle aches, intermittent fevers. Some feel better for awhile, then suddenly crash and have to run to the nearest ER.

Ok, I have been waking up with a crushing headache for the past week. I take 3 Extra Strength Tylenols and it goes away, but then the headache returns when I eat dinner, so I take 3 more of the Tylenols. The pain when I wake in the morning is across the top of my head, but when I get up, it shifts to the left side and back of my neck, and that's where it reemerges when I eat dinner. Sometimes I feel slightly nauseous, too, and achy in my bones, but nothing major, certainly not to the level of the intense pain these headaches are creating. I'm 50, with a dad-bod; I don't smoke, only medication I take is for anxiety and depression. Right now, I feel ok, but if I wake up again tomorrow with another headache, that will be 7 days, and I'm going to call my doctor. If he can't see me, I may go to a walk-in clinic or an ER.

DL medical personnel -- thoughts, advice, suggestions?

Guardian- France’s coronavirus death toll rose by 112 on Sunday to 674, senior health official Jerome Salomon said. The number of confirmed infections increased by 1,559 to 16,018, according to Reuters.

The vote was supposed to be at 3:00 so Trump wanted to spout good news at 4:30. Now the vote has been delayed until 6:00 so we'll see when the press conference is. after all this all about Trump and what he is doing for the rest of us. So if he has nothing to report maybe he won't have it or will just send Pence out. I think he is getting bored with them because he is not getting the praise or accolades that he expected and there are no cheers and clapping.

R76, I would avoid going to potentially germy clinics and ERs if at all possible. Many doctors are doing tele-appointments these days.

More widespread testing would also help with tracking the infected who RECOVER. These people (with immunity) need to be tracked so they can take up work in essential services that will be depleted.

[quote] If he can't see me, I may go to a walk-in clinic or an ER.

r76 where do you live? Where I live you call in first to a phone number specially designated for this and they assess you on the phone and if needed, you are then directed to an assessment centre. You are not supposed to show up just trndomly at a medical facility.

randomly ^^^^meant to say.

I agree with R79. You should first call the clinic or ER and ask them what their procedures are. They don’t want you just walking in on your own unannounced and potentially infecting a lot of other people. They’ve been advocating this on TV for the last week.

[quote]Ok, I have been waking up with a crushing headache for the past week. I take 3 Extra Strength Tylenols and it goes away, but then the headache returns when I eat dinner, so I take 3 more of the Tylenols.

Jesus, be careful taking that much Tylenol.

R77, which means the death percentage has dropped dramatically -- as it did in China and North Korea.

Is anyone deep-throating?

R76 That’s way too much tylenol. Bad for your liver.

Do you have a fever and/or a cough? If not you likely don’t have CV.

ugh...it's in the jail in Brooklyn

[quote] I take 3 Extra Strength Tylenols

R76 Unless you have a bountiful supply, I would suggest you save your Tylenols for in case you or family members actually come down with CV19, as that's what they're telling people to take for the fever. As such, Tylenol and its generics (acetaminophen and paracetamol) are additional commodities that are in short supply, becoming hard to find in some places. J&J is ramping up, but I read big pharmaceutical maker India has put a stop to generic exports as they want to keep it for their own population.

Uh R89, a fever is what KILLS THE VIRUS. That's how the immune system works. No one should take Tylenol or any fever reducer unless one's fever goes SKY-HIGH.

R43 there is a test. Apologies for those who have seen it before this is my third time posting.

r76, where are you located? Good luck!

r81 here. Actually I was wrong. You self-assess your symtoms from a government website and if you "test" positive from the Q &A website, you then call 811 and then speak to a clinician who then further assesses and only then are you then directed to go to an assessment centre. You just don't show up at an ER, or doctor's office. In fact, you are discouraged from doing that as you are putting others at risk, as others have said here.

I heard City MDs are doing tests....

Thanks for the info. I don’t watch TV, so I really have been getting most of my information here at DL.

I’m in Texas, r92, just outside Dallas.

[quote]Senator Mitt Romney says the Senate Republicans are now consulting with doctors to see if any of them need to self-quarantine.

[quote]Not to overstate this, but Paul's positive test is potentially a very big deal as the Senate races to ink a rescue deal.

[quote]GOP senators have continued to meet daily during lunch over the last week. They are meeting in a larger room but still seated next to each other in round circular tables. Paul’s office announced today he has tested positive for the coronavirus

[quote]During the Senate GOP lunch today, Moran told colleagues that Rand was at the gym this morning, per two sources briefed on the lunch, and that he was swimming in the pool. Rand got his COVID-19 results back this morning.

[quote]BREAKING:Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, is immediately self-quarantining, per advice of congressional physicians office, sources familiar tells me.

Rand Paul has been having lunches with his senate colleagues and working out in the Senate gym all weel. All those 80-year olds are freaking out. I predict they’ll shut Congress down shortly. That means no rescue bill if they can’t vote.

Dow futures open at 6pm.

^^all week

[quote]Rand Paul has been having lunches with his senate colleagues and working out in the Senate gym all weel. All those 80-year olds are freaking out. I predict they’ll shut Congress down shortly. That means no rescue bill if they can’t vote.

They only need 51 people present for a quorum.

DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) – Drive-through testing will begin at the American Airlines Center Saturday, March 21 at 8:00 a.m. and will operate daily until 8:00 p.m.

The second location, at 9191 S Polk St. at Ellis Davis Field in South Dallas., will open at 8 a.m. Sunday, March 22.

Criteria for testing sites is as followed:

• Must be 65+ years-old; or

• Must be a first responder; or

• Must be a healthcare worker; or

• Must be a DART driver; AND

• Must show a temperature of 99.6 or higher

Anyone not meeting the criteria above will not be tested.

Dallas County has seen more cases of Covid-19 being spread in the community than any other county in Texas.

Governor Greg Abbott is projecting a dramatic increase statewide.

“This time next week, there will be thousands of people who will have tested positive. In two weeks, probably tens of thousands. This is a very rapidly spreading disease. But it’s one we are prepared to respond to,” Governor Abbott said.

As of Friday afternoon In Texas, there are 194 people who have Covid-19.

Five people have died.

And nearly 5,300 people have been tested for the virus, that’s double the number from 24 hours earlier.

During a televised town hall Thursday night, the Governor explained why testing only people who have symptoms is so crucial.

“That’s so we can identify who has Covid-19 and isolate them so they don’t communicate that disease to somebody else.”

Parkland Hospital has had its drive through site for first responders, healthcare workers and patients operating since Monday.

Dallas County Judge Clay Jenkins says he remains in contact with the CDC.

“If we get directions from the CDC and the health authorities on what we need to do, we will act decisively,” said Judge Jenkins.

The Judge says the county is as prepared as possible and has conducted table-top exercises for this kind of scenario every year.

“This is not a cookie-cutter exercise. Things are happening very quickly. The virus has plans too, so to speak,” he said.

Experts say most people who test positive for Covid-19 won’t need to be hospitalized, just isolated from other people.

The Governor has not ordered people to stay home, but Judge Jenkins says you should stay home if you don’t have to go out.

There goes the NYPD. They’re talking about releasing prisoners early too.

Coronavirus in the New York City Police Department, per @NYPDShea:

-98 confirmed cases: 70 uniform officers, 28 civilian employees

-3 currently hospitalized

-1 discharged today

-Officers calling out sick at nearly twice the normal rate since about March 17

12-year-old coronavirus patient ‘fighting for her life’ on ventilator in Atlanta hospital

Justin Anthony said his cousin Emma was placed on a ventilator Saturday after being confirmed positive the day before for the virus, CNN reported.

She initially was diagnosed with pneumonia on March 15, only to receive test results days later for the virus, according to the report.

Anthony said his young cousin is “fighting for her life” despite having no pre-existing conditions that would put her at higher risk for the infectious disease, the outlet reported.

The 12-year-old has not recently traveled and it’s unclear how she contracted the dangerous bug, he said.

Children’s Healthcare of Atlanta-Scottish Rite Hospital confirmed that a patient has tested positive for the virus but provided no further details, CNN reported.

“The patient remains in isolation, and we have consistently used appropriate precautions,” hospital spokeswoman Jessica Pope told the outlet. “Additional details will not be released due to patient privacy laws.”

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released a study earlier in the week that less than 1% of the hospitalized cases were patients age 19 or younger

Georgia has confirmed more than 600 cases as the virus has spread to at least 30,000 people across the country, according to figures from John Hopkins University.

If you were expecting Arizona's Kyrsten Sinema to be the first member of the Senate to shade Rand Paul, collect your winnings.

Mike Lee is going to self-quarantine and Mitt Romney seems likely to join him.

A group of Florida college students traveling together on spring break have tested positive for the novel coronavirus.

Fuck watching trump! I watched Cuomo instead at 11:00am. Accurate info, no lying & i didn't have to watch the daily trump tongue bath by trumpie minions.

BREAKING: Two dorms of 45 people incarcerated at Rikers are refusing to leave their dorms for work duties or for meals in protest of deteriorating conditions on the island. Their demands mirror the NY Board of Corrections urgent #COVID19 recommendations.

^^They are DEMANDING IMMEDIATE RELEASE for all prisoners >50 years old or at high risk due to underlying health conditions.

Look for Trump to pull some shit around the same time as the special Rosie O’Donnell Show streams tonight at 7 pm EST.

Anheuser-Busch, New York distilleries making hand sanitizer during coronavirus crisis

This really is Beyond Beer.

Brewing giant Anheuser-Busch is making hand sanitizer to help during the coronavirus crisis — while a series of hip New York firms also producing artisanal bottles of the potentially life-saving product.

The world’s biggest brewery company best known for lagers like Budweiser — as well as its Beyond Beer line of hard seltzers and canned wines — announced its support for the crisis late Saturday.

“We have a long history of supporting our communities and employees – this time is no different,” Anheuser-Busch announced on Twitter.

“That’s why we are using our supply and logistics network to begin producing and distributing bottles of hand sanitizer to accommodate the growing needs across the United States.”

The sanitizer was shown in containers similar to those usually holding its beers — which also include Michelob Ultra, Stella Artois and Hoegaarden — and the tagline, “It’s in all our hands to make a difference.”

The company said it would be working with the Red Cross to determine where the hand sanitizer “will be needed most” — while stressing it was being made “in addition” to beer during the time of national crisis.

The mega-brewery with at least 19,000 staff was not the only company helping with hand sanitizer, which quickly sold out from most stores after the coronavirus hit the US and is now desperately needed by health workers on the frontlines of battling the pandemic.

A series of small boutique New York distilleries are also making their own — with beautiful bottles giving them a decidedly more artisanal feel.

“I never thought in my life that I’d be in the hand sanitizer business,” Stephen DeAngelo, founder of Brooklyn’s Greenhook Ginsmiths, told Eater.

The Greenpoint company has been shipping small bottles along with online orders of its booze — and has accepted two orders from hospitals, for 2,500 gallons and 1,700 gallons of hand sanitizer, Eater said.

“I don’t think the future is too bright for gin right now,” DeAngelo told the site. “This helps to keep my staff busy at this time, and we’re doing a lot of good for the hospitals as well.”

Williamsburg’s New York Distilling Company, meanwhile, has been producing its homemade sanitizer in beautiful 200ml glass flasks.

“The distillery is very interested in making larger quantities of hand sanitizer as a public service for our community,” head distiller Bill Potter told Eater.

St. Agrestis Spirits teamed up with Greenhook Ginsmiths so it could include a bottle of artisanal hand sanitizer with every order, with founder Louis Catizone saying that deliveries are the only thing keeping the business “alive.”

“We’re going to keep making and giving out free hand sanitizer until someone tells us to stop,” Catizone told Eater.

Wow: sick cops + release of prisoners = recipe for disaster!

Martial Law and National Guard inching closer in NYC

Coronavirus testing experiment in Italian town may have wiped out illness

A small town in Italy appears to have wiped out coronavirus — with zero new cases this week — after an experiment that called for widespread testing, according to a report.

Researchers wrote in an op-ed for the Guardian that the northern town of Vò started testing all 3,000 residents on March 6 after it became home to the country’s first coronavirus death.

University of Padua professor Andrea Crisanti and Antonio Cassone, who is the former director of the department of infectious diseases at the Italian institute of health, said the pilot study involved testing even residents who didn’t show symptoms of the virus.

“We made an interesting finding: at the time the first symptomatic case was diagnosed, a significant proportion of the population, about 3%, had already been infected – yet most of them were completely asymptomatic,” the researchers wrote.

The researchers said the practice “established a valuable principle: testing of all citizens, whether or not they have symptoms, provides a way to control this pandemic.”

“This allowed us to quarantine people before they showed signs of infection and stop the further spread of coronavirus,” the researchers wrote.

The result was testing was able to help eradicate the spread of the virus in under 14 days, the report said.

Researchers noted that the study would be “impossible” to replicate throughout the coronavirus-ravaged country due to the number of tests that would need to be performed.

But said that the findings could help inform other policies as the country navigates the pandemic.

“The government could identify and isolate clusters, quarantine everyone affected, trace their recent contacts, and quarantine and isolate them, too – whether they had symptoms or not,” researchers said.

Italy is currently facing at least 53,578 cases of the virus as the death toll climbs over 4,800, according to figures from John Hopkins Univesity.

R103

Thoughts and prayers. They’ll make beautifully tanned corpses.

Weinstein has it.

[quote]Harvey Weinstein, now one of New York's most notorious prison inmates after being sentenced for sexual assault, has tested positive for the COVID-19 virus, according to officials connected to the state prison system. Weinstein, who turned 68 last Thursday is being isolated at Wende Correctional Facility in Western New York

I hope Miss Lindsey Graham is self quarantining after his “encounter” with Rand Paul in the Senate gym showers

Why do I keep seeing the "novel Coronvirus"?

I don't think we'll get to 100k in the US because of all the social distancing in the past week. What do you think?

Good old Kyrsten thinking of herself R102.

[quote]I don't think we'll get to 100k in the US because of all the social distancing in the past week. What do you think?

Oh, honey....

That pig probably has underlying illness...if he dies, I won't shed a tear

[quote]while a series of hip New York firms also producing artisanal bottles of the potentially life-saving product.

Of fucking course.

R114 Dream on. Thousands of people are ignoring the social distancing mandates and public transport is still up and running, among many other examples. It’s starting to appear in cops and in the prison system. It’s just getting started.

You've got to be kidding R114. My fucking neighbor isn't socially distancing. When I brought it up to him he said he wasn't concerned about getting it.

Americans gonna get fatter!

Comfort food sales rise amid coronavirus self-isolation orders

Who wants kale in quarantine?

Shoppers are retreating back to comfort foods and shelf-stable items like Oreos, Kraft Macaroni & Cheese and even Spam as they comply with orders to stay home during the coronavirus pandemic, a Bloomberg report says.

In the week that ended March 14, popcorn sales were up 48%, pretzels up 47% and potato chips up 30% compared to a year earlier, according to Nielsen data cited by the outlet.

“People are retreating back into comfort habits,” said Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Jennifer Bartashus.

“There’s a lot of uncertainty and in those kinds of times people tend to retreat to what’s known to them and what’s comforting to them.”

The shift back to packaged goods has been a boon for companies like General Mills Inc., Tyson Foods Inc., Campbell Soup Co. and Kraft Heinz Co. which all saw sales gains between 10% and 20% for items like soup and breakfast foods in the four weeks ending March 8, a Bloomberg analysis found.

Sales of Spam increases as much as 37% for that period.

Recent food pariahs like cow’s milk, red meat and potatoes are also making a comeback, Bloomberg found.

R76: Are you not sure you are having a “rebound effect” from taking too much Tylenol? I’m not a medic but come from a family who have had migraines. My family learned that taking too much Tylenol or Excedrin can trigger headaches.

Just want to clarify - for those infected but remained asymptomatic , the virus will die in their bodies after 14 days?

R114, look at the people on this thread alone who think this is no big deal, it's not easy to catch, etc. It doesn't matter how much the news and health officials repeatedly advise that COVID-19 is highly contagious, some people refuse to self isolate. We will hit 100k.

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Cuomo was talking about sero-testing and returning to work. But aren't there two strains of this going around? If so, I am assuming a person does not develop antibodies to both strains if they've only caught 1 strain. So what happens then? Is a person quarantined until they've had both? And since were woefully deficient with respect to testing, how are we even going to know which strain is in which areas for what duration(s) of time?

Please take this shit seriously, we need the numbers to decrease or stores and restaurants will never reopen and millions will be out of jobs! I know so many people who are suffering! This is no joke!

Wow, how old is rand paul? He has no symptoms....seems like it's the weaker strain...and then you hear cases of that 12 year kid with no underlying illness on ventilator in Atlanta...scary!

Why tF was the Senate gym and pool still open? Every other gym in the country closed down days ago. Now every Senator that Rand Paul has been eating lunch and working out with all week is gonna self-quarantine rendering the Senate useless for the next 2 weeks.

Hehehehe, I've always enjoyed gallows humor, R127, a guilty pleasure of mine, I'm afraid.

Healthy 39-year-old woman dies waiting for coronavirus test results

A healthy 39-year-old social worker died days after initially turning down a coronavirus test because she was told she was “low risk,” her boyfriend said in a heartbreaking Facebook post.

Josh Anderson says he found girlfriend Natasha Ott dead in her apartment in New Orleans on Friday as she still awaited news on whether her sickness and fever were actually COVID-19.

He said Ott — who helped people who are HIV-positive — had first told him on March 10 that she had a “respiratory cold” and “tiny fever.”

“They sent her home, but didn’t test her — she was told she was low-risk,” he wrote, calling his partner “a profoundly kind, passionate, funny and loving 39-year-old woman in good health.”

Her own clinic only had five test kits available, he said, saying she told him, “I declined to take one so someone else could.”

After her condition deteriorated, she finally got tested on March 16 — almost a week after first falling sick — but was told the results would take at least five days, with a further delay meaning they are still not ready, he said.

Anderson detailed Ott’s worsening mood and health, as well as her attempts to reassure him that she would be fine if she just drank whiskey.

He finally “found her dead in her kitchen” at 8 p.m. Friday while checking up because she failed to respond to texts or calls.

“For those of you not fortunate enough to have known her – know this: it’s an immeasurable loss,” he wrote.

“And seeing a woman I knew to be so full of life lying on the floor lifeless was devastating. I was afraid to touch her. I held her anyway,” he said.

He warned that the “government is ill-prepared for this pandemic in a way that has and will cost lives,” while urging people to “cherish your loved ones like you could lose them.”

“The time for joking about Covid-19 is over,” he wrote.

The Orleans Parish Coroner’s Office has not released a cause of death and state health officials have not confirmed it as a case of coronavirus, The New Orleans Advocate noted.

r124 we're hitting 100K by the end of this coming week, baby.

R126, the field is not convinced that there are two strains.

rosie odonnell to host fundraiser for broadway actors...what about those restaurant workers, hotel workers etc? who is helping them out?

People asking for symptoms.

I’m in the U.K. where we don’t test in the community anymore, so I can’t be sure but I think I have it ( am recovering.) A GP on the 111 service also thought it highly likely. I’ve been in contact with another likely case the week before.

Last Saturday walking into town suddenly felt heavily tired and got that funny jelly like feeling in my legs. Went home, early night, fine next day.

Over next few days began to develop random systems but so minor I wondered if I imagined it. Occasional dry cough. But who doesn’t clear their throat once in a while? Sudden onset heartburn. But I sometimes get that too. Fleeting tightness in chest. Sore throat but coming and going.

Then, Wham! On Friday I suddenly started feeling very unwell. Coughing, tight chest, Heartburn, burning sore throat like you’d been yelling till hoarse, swimmy feeling. Went to bed and lay there, sweating and shivering. The symptoms described above cane and went in waves. Nothing like I’ve ever experienced.

It all gets a bit hazy now. My temperature shot up, my heart rate through roof, breathing shallow and fast. As instructed called the line and they sent paramedics. I came within a whisker of being hospitalised. But my symptoms settled almost as quickly as the whole thing had started. I had another day in bed, taking max recommended dose paracetamol, and drinking loads of water.

Today I have been up and about, cooked for myself and pottered around. I had another episode of the funny wave like set of symptoms and had to rest up, but generally OK..

Aware of my own tendency to overdo things will be careful over next few days, especially as it is known that people can recover only to relapse again.

So there you have it.

Ask any questions you like and I will try to answer them.it may not be till tomorrow morning here though as am going to get some rest shortly.

Im mid 50s overweight and have become unfit over last year since my dog died. Used to be in good condition prior. No other health issues.

Well well well.

@JakeSherman 6m THE SENATE is now 48 R -47 D

Sens. Lee, Romney, Scott of Florida, Paul and Gardner are all quarantining.

Doesn't that mean the Democrats are in charge?

[quote]rosie odonnell to host fundraiser for broadway actors...what about those restaurant workers, hotel workers etc? who is helping them out?

There are famous chefs/restauranteurs who are raising money for food industry workers. Rosie is tied to Broadway, so she is focusing on them. It's not her job to save everybody.

Neil Diamond

Hands, washing hands

Reachin’ out, touching you, touching me

It's odd to me that in my area, a town with no positive residents YET, the Mayor has declared a state of emergency just the same. The article touts the new *available * testing area but it takes a lot of hoops to jump through to actually get.

Where the hell are the tests?!?!

Barbra Streisand:

As a teenager I used to make corn pancakes with Aunt Jemima’s pancake flour...this time I tried to use a healthier flour, but it didn’t taste as good. 🥞 P.S. my husband liked them! And P.P.S. cooking is good to do now!

Where can i watch the rosie fundraiser?

r122/Elder -- the directions say not to take more than 6 in a day, and that's all I'm taking: 3 after breakfast, 3 after dinner.

Seriously, imagine the worst headache you have ever had -- and it either stretches across the top of your head, from ear to ear, or it slings around from your left ear across the back of your neck. It's an absolutely crushing, dizzying pain.

R143 If you don’t have a fever or a cough you probably don’t have CV.

[quote] I don't think we'll get to 100k in the US because of all the social distancing in the past week. What do you think?

I think that’s crazy talk. If you believe we have been successful at social distancing, you haven’t been paying attention. Listen to Cuomo’s briefing. He said he was in NYC yesterday and it appeared as if it was business as usual in the City’s parks. That is being replicated all around the country. Here in DC yesterday, there were crowds at the Tidal Basin to view the cherry blossoms. In some places people are going on as if there’s nothing wrong.

If we shut the country down rock solid for a few weeks we could get this under control. Otherwise those numbers are going to skyrocket past 100,000.

[quote] THE SENATE is now 48 R -47 D

[quot]Sens. Lee, Romney, Scott of Florida, Paul and Gardner are all quarantining.

Here you go R142

My early bid for "Coronavirus Freakout 24:" subtitle -- The Year of the Bat

r144, that's my suspicion, as well. I'm actually scared I may be having a Laura Branigan situation. Or perhaps I'm just stressed beyond reason.

Former @realmadrid president Lorenzo Sanz has died aged 76 of coronavirus.

lol and love Neil Diamond!

I'm happy to see him. A long time ago I read he was ill.

R140 - I’m in the same area, some people are acting like nothing is happening, meanwhile doctors telling people as long as you’re not in New York it’s ok. It’s nuts.

[quote]What about those restaurant workers, hotel workers etc? who is helping them out?

Thanks for sharing, R135. It does sound like it, especially with the sudden worsening of symptoms about a week in. Take care.

Reuters: Several months before the coronavirus pandemic began, the Trump administration eliminated a key American public health position in Beijing intended to help detect disease outbreaks in China.

Where are people getting information about the cases in their individual towns? The closest I can get is Cook County reporting and that includes fucking Chicago along with a lot of the suburbs. From looking at the collar counties, it looks like it's worse up north but I bet that's because the rich northern suburbs actually have tests while the rest of us can go fuck ourselves.

R131, that’s a heartbreaking story.

Thanks for your post, R135. Throughout the past week I’ve had a few “funny feelings,” very brief/minor headaches but with no fever at all. I suspect these are stress-related symptoms, though.

[quote] My early bid for "Coronavirus Freakout 24:" subtitle -- The Year of the Bat

My bid is ' A Whole New World'

How many people here are hoarders? I ask because I want to give a helpful tip, but afraid people will start hoarding a product that may help them.

R154 It does not “sound like it.” R149 has no fever and no cough. That is NOT corona virus.

God. About a month ago I came down with the worst headache after a business trip to New Orleans. I had a horrible headache EVERY morning for a week. The back of my head felt like it was about to explode. I would get extremely nauseous and then have diarrhea. After taking some Tylenol, I’d start working (work from home). I might have been running a fever - I didn’t take my temp. I was just so fatigued and was shivering/sweating and basically wanted to go to bed. I had no idea Coronavirus was in the US at the time. I’m curious if I had it - would be interested in taking the antibody test.

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but can you imagine if more senators started testing positive for covid19? They are not a youthful bunch, and if the virus ends up reaching a good amount of them, it's likely that at least one won't survive, right? What are the death rates just for people over 60?

Hope Ruth Bader Ginsburg has been in her safe room for the last month.

America's turning to Oreos? What about the panicked buying of frozen broccoli that 's filled up millions of white people's garage freezers? Is that all going to be thrown out eventually?

Susan Collins is now "very concerned" she could be coughing up pink spume from her failing lungs by this time next week.

Seung Min Kim @seungminkim · 3h During the Senate GOP lunch today, Moran told colleagues that Rand was at the gym this morning, per two sources briefed on the lunch, and that he was swimming in the pool. Rand got his COVID-19 results back this morning.

The dry hacking cough is actually a later symptom after the onset of the virus. Headaches, exhaustion, fever, and sore throat all precede the cough.

Nobody tells libertarian Rand Paul what the fuck to do, hmm kay? If he wants to work out his chiselled body or maintain his swimmer's build, then fuck yeah, he's gonna do it.

Thanks for that piece of information R167.

Watching the daily news briefing ... I don't usually watch these; is Donald more 'tan' than usual? The contrast between his eyes and cheeks is pink vs orange. (and Pence is pasty white behind him)

⏳ CORONA TIME 🤡 MARCH 22 - 6:00PM EST

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 335,403

DEATHS: 14,611

CRITICAL: 10,640

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 32,537

DEATHS: 414

CRITICAL: 795

Critical is rising rapidly.

R170, it seems worse, but it’s so hard to tell, he’s just so hideous. It’s obvious he does not understand anything he is saying.

That unholy trio on my TV screen........

Trump, as usual is babbling.

Mikey wants him to shut the freak up so he can have his 15 seconds.

The other guy looks exhausted and extremely pissed.

FYI, for those of us that have doggie waste bags, they can be used as a glove when you are pumping gas, etc.

r161, that describes my symptoms at r76 very closely. I haven't been shivering yet, though when I wake up in the morning, not only is my head pounding intensely, I'm soaking wet from sweat.

R172, only because it was paused for a fucking week.

Some good news on testing from Illinois' Abbot Laboratories. From a report I saw on the local news the other day, the results are readable by a machine that hospitals and laboratories already use for other tests.

[quote] ... Headaches, exhaustion, fever, and sore throat all precede the cough.

This is getting more confusing, R167. Headaches, exhaustion and sore throat have NOT been promoted as any symptoms to look out for. Mostly fever, cough, and difficulty breathing.

[quote]Nobody tells libertarian Rand Paul what the fuck to do, hmm kay?

#AtlasCoughed

Trump says the N95 masks are very complicated and difficult to get.

I had no problem ordering them on eBay last week, and they arrived in 2 days. Shipping was free.

I haven't followed all twenty-three (to date) threads. For those who also don't and happen upon this one, I read a test one can do is to hold one's breath for ten seconds minimum. If you can't do it, you may have upper respiratory issues, possibly related to coronavirus.

I haven't followed all twenty-three (to date) threads. For those who also don't and happen upon this one, I read a test one can do is to hold one's breath for ten seconds minimum. If you can't do it, you may have upper respiratory issues, possibly related to coronavirus.

Harvey is obese so here’s hoping.

That's been debunked R181/R182

Trump "press conference" highlights:

- CHINESE virus!

- Senator Rand Paul, a great friend of mine just tested positive

- So people are getting quite close to home, the HIDDEN ENEMY, I THINK they'll be fine, I HOPE they'll be fine

- You will see our economy SKY ROCKET

- National Guard, are TREMENDOUS people, we've signed what we had to sign and it's been activated

- Approved State of NY major disaster declaration - we approved this on Friday evening and working hard to get these things signed up , completed and finished and WIN!

- We have TREMENDOUS numbers of companies making equipment

- Computing power to defeat the CHINESE virus

- TREMENDOUS help from IBM, NASA

- We got the highest POLL NUMBERS from the....highest poll numbers in the HISTORY OF THE VA

- Telehealth - AVOID making a TREMENDOUSLY waste of trip to the doctor

More on the Abbott Labs test shipping out now. They will be up to a million tests per week by the end of March.

I heard ebay was banning the sale of mask a week or so ago R180. I went to ebay now and saw there are still people price gouging.

We just had our third case diagnosed in as many days, in my local county. All females, two in their early thirties, the other in her early twenties.

So much for theories.

10 confirmed cases in my town, population 15,000. Up from 8 yesterday.

🏋️ [bold] WINNING !

R188, that's probably because the old people listened to the orders to stay the fuck home.

We had updates on the critical condition yesterday R177.

The last thread had a much better title. I really liked the quotation from Samuel Pepys.

If you get the less severe strand of covid, would you be immune to the more severe strand? Wasnt sure how closely related they are

I didn't think the prices on eBay were outrageous at all.

I bought ten washable/reusable masks for 14.99, and an N95 mask with a respirator for 7.99.

Small price to pay to save my life

Harbor Freight just donated their entire inventory of

• N95 Masks • Face Shields • 5 and 7 mil Nitrile Gloves

Chief of Infectious Diseases at University of Maryland UCH weighs in on some Covid-19 "myths."

I have 10 N95 mask with the respirator and paid $30 for 10 of them R195, but I bought it from a legit company.

Just for some perspective, here is an article outlining the numbers of hospitalized and dead from regular old flu from last April...

R193 is the asshole OP of the previous thread, the guy who is posting contradictory things in an attempt to spread dissent and fear here.

He's an idiot here saying he liked the previous title better - since he is the one who made it up!

He sock puppets and tries to fuck with people's heads.

Be aware.

UK - 5,683 cases

281 deaths

Death to case ratio the highest in the world

That's like comparing ice cream to frozen ice R199.

I paid $2.17 /gal for gas today. Less than three weeks ago, I was paying $2.99.

Pence: About 1 in 10 people who have been tested thus far have turned out positive.

That means roughly 9 out of 10 people felt ill enough* that their doctors decided they should get a test. Turns out they were sick with something else.

*Select healthcare personnel, celebrities and senators have been tested without having symptoms.

'He sock puppets and tries to fuck with people's heads.'

You paranoid fucker. The OP of the last thread is the infamous DL Spaz Troll. That's why the title is so good.

And Rand Paul is fucking doctor, for fuck's sake.

Idiot asshole at R205, you ARE R193 here and the asshole OP of the Part 22 thread.

Still sock-puppeting.

Rumor is that more self-quarantines are coming to the Senate and that it will likely cost the GOP a governing majority.

They'll just enable remote voting, R208.

Romney's in isolation? Hadn't heard that.

There would have to be a rule change R209.

[quote]They'll just enable remote voting, [R208].

Can't do it now. There aren't enough votes now to force a rule change.

They've tried before, but McConnell's blocked it.

That pig is lying about stock buybacks.

Romney said he didn't want to get exposed because he worried about giving it to his wife, who has MS. And now he can't see her for two weeks.

I feel sorry for Mitt Romney. We're in the Upside Down.

The Romneys have more money than God, but it don't mean shit now.

Boo hoo.

CNN-More than 32,000 US coronavirus cases and 400 deaths

There are at least 32,149 cases of novel coronavirus in the United States, according to CNN Health's tally of cases that are detected and tested through US public health systems.

At least 400 people have died. The total includes cases from all 50 states, the District of Columbia and other US territories, as well as all repatriated cases.

HARVEY WEINSTEIN HAS TESTED POSITIVE FOR CORONAVIRUS

R207, stop fighting with the Spaz Troll.

My governor literally just said in his live briefing...

"We're gathering PP and E for our hospitals and clinics."

Harvey Weinstein has also tested positive for several STD's.

this idiot says the same damn thing at every conference.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Oh oh the "salary talk"......Zzzzzzz

You mean several STDs just tested positive for Harvey Weinstein, R220.

R197... thanks for that. Repost it every so often... it should go into Threads 24, 25, 26, 237, 3855....

r219, what is "PP and E"?

If you brats don't stop the in-house fighting, Muriel will put us in quarantine again for another 4 hour time out.

The Senate corporate giveaway "stimulus" didn't survive its first procedural vote.

R226, no one knows. My loser governor obviously meant PPE, but I'm not sure he even knows what it stands for.

[quote] CNN-More than 32,000 US coronavirus cases and 400 deaths.

That's like1.25% death rate.

So far UK is far far worse: 5683 cases and 281 deaths.

A 4.9% death rate. Yikes!

Trump doesn’t know the word orally.

So much to unpack there.

Those death rates presumably reflect the lack of data through testing, which would reduce the fatality rate on the basis of the mild cases.

If we are only testing a few people though, it's likely there are a LOT of people who have it yet who we don't know about and who will easily survive. The death rate is surely lower than what the numbers say today.

lol, r231. I caught that too! "THROUGH THE MOUTH" he said. lol

I think R199's article is actually interesting food for thought.

CNN-At least 254,000 Americans have been tested for coronavirus

At least 254,000 Americans have so far been tested and received results for coronavirus and more than 30,000 have tested positive, Vice President Mike Pence said.

Pence noted that those numbers do not include local hospitals or private labs that have conducted tests.

The Vice President said that commercial labs should be caught up in the backlog of testing by the middle of the week. Commercial labs should prioritize inpatient testing, and new guidance will be sent on that tomorrow, Pence said.

This is the most explicit figure given by the administration about the actual numbers of persons tested versus the number of tests conducted. Each person would have at least a couple of tests.

R194, there’s no evidence that there is a “mild” vs. “severe” form Covid-19.

I meant to say, there are not two separate strains.

ABC NEWS: Racist extremist groups, including neo-Nazis and other white supremacists, are encouraging members who contract novel coronavirus disease to spread the contagion to cops and Jews, according to intelligence gathered by the FBI.

In an alert obtained by ABC News, the FBI’s New York office reports that "members of extremist groups are encouraging one another to spread the virus, if contracted, through bodily fluids and personal interactions."

Is it midnight yet?

R240, no, but it’s dark. And getting darker by the minute.

But her EMAILS!!!!!!

Shelter in place for all of Dallas County.

Forgot the link.

It's Midnight in the Garden of Good & Evil

[quote]The CDC tomorrow is going to issue new guidance which will make it possible for people who have exposed to the coronavirus to return to work more quickly by wearing a mask for a certain period of time.

[quote]There’s growing concern within the White a house about having entire cities shut down as the economy spirals, and this is in part a reflection of that

Does it feel like the wheels are coming off tonight to anyone else or is it just me?

The wheels have been off R246. Right now we are sliding into the ravine.

Why does don lemon have to talk so much?

I bet this puts a stop to Burning Man this year.

Please, God!

Is there a link to cuomos full presser from today? I can’t find it.

No, not just you, r246. CNN commentator noted that he seemed to "veer off" during the 1.5 hours. She said Trump kept going on about his "billions" and "billions" and that it took billions and billions to get elected. While people at home are worried about their money, jobs and yet Trump kept on about "being rich." Personally, I felt the wheels were coming off particularly in the last 20 minutes as he seemed to become more agitated, animated rabbiting on about all his CV fight achievements. He's such an odd man. I feel like the last few minutes had the smell of fear, desperation. I don't know, it was not reassuring to see someone so disassociated from his audience. He seemed somehow anxious, it was anxiousness, fear, something he's trying to quell within and outside himself. Odd man.

R251 You say ‘odd,’ I say ‘batshit crazy.’

[quote] "PP and E"

He's probably just used to saying that phrase regarding budget and accounting issues. Property, Plant & Equipment.

Right. In the middle of a pandemic, the man is talking about accounting.

NO.

We’re in the midst of a global pandemic and pending financial collapse, our Congress is paralyzed, people don’t know how they’re gonna pay their rent and our president is a pathological nutcase. Great.

I'm wondering if the virus is taking longer to show up in people than they thought. I read that someone on Riker's has it and that's where Weinstein was but don't know when he was transferred.

R250 I think this is it. Cuomo today.

March 5, 2020:

Two strains of the new coronavirus are spreading around the world, according to an analysis of 103 cases. But the World Health Organization insists that “there is no evidence that the virus has been changing”. So how many strains are there, and why does it matter?

Viruses are always mutating, especially RNA viruses like this one, coronavirus SARS-CoV-2. When a person is infected with the coronavirus, it replicates in their respiratory tract. Every time it does, around half a dozen genetic mutations occur, says Ian Jones at the University of Reading, UK.

When Xiaolu Tang at Peking University in Beijing and colleagues studied the viral genome taken from 103 cases, they found common mutations at two locations on the genome. The team identified two types of the virus based on differences in the genome at these two regions: 72 were considered to be the “L-type” and 29 were classed “S-type”.

A separate analysis by the team suggests that the L-type was derived from the older S-type. The first strain is likely to have emerged around the time the virus jumped from animals to humans. The second emerged soon after that, says the team. Both are involved in the current global outbreak. The fact that the L-type is more prevalent suggests that it is “more aggressive” than the S-type, the team say.

There do appear to be two different strains,” says Ravinder Kanda at Oxford Brookes University in the UK. “[The L-type] might be more aggressive in transmitting itself, but we have no idea yet how these underlying genetic changes will relate to disease severity,” she says.

“I think it’s a fact that there are two strains,” says Erik Volz at Imperial College London. “It’s normal for viruses to undergo evolution when they are transmitted to a new host.”

It is vital to know how many strains of the virus exist. Around the world, multiple groups are working on a vaccine for the virus. Any vaccine will need to target features that are found in both strains of the virus in order to be effective.

Yeah, all that but he's shit scared, r255. Remember you can only carry the charade on for so long. He has no intellectual frame of reference for ANYTHING. He just limps from one thought to another. I mean when things go further downhill as we know they will, what kind of "leadership" will be be able to provide? People are hungry for leadership, not in the sense of bluster but real values, real concern for one another. Andrew Cuomo is that man. I think that is the unease viewers are starting to feel because really, fundamentally, it's all a house of cards.

You are probably right about that,R256. It has been written about. There are patients who are still testing positive for Covid-19 even 37 days after exposure. Not 14.

The next issue is going to be nurses walking off the job. They’re already being given one mask per day. They know that’s not sufficient. Cuomo says they’re going to run out of masks in the next week or two.

I read somewhere today that nurses are saying they’re afraid of bringing the virus home to their families. A couple said they quit or are about to. Then there’s the thousands that will soon get it, if the example of other countries is any guide. Then what? They were being told to continue to work if they’re asymptomatic. But we know those people are contagious.

Fuck China!!

What is this shit about going back to work wearing masks? That will make things worse (and totally unrealistic)!!

I think it was only 4 days ago R256 or are you talking about the other inmate?

Not to mention we have a problem with not enough mask R263. I guess it has finally been dispelled that we are the greatest country.

I pray that is a myth about infected people going back to work with masks on. That makes no sense. What about their hands and touching objects?

Trump is a sad man. He clearly is not in charge, but everyone knows he is not. He is being outshined by Governors that are much smarter and more effective. They only put him out there every day because he has nothing else to do. All he cares about is himself and corporate benefits.

Bosses who pooh-Pooh the virus, or are just assholes, will demand workers come back to work or be fired. People will go back to work out of desperation, bring the virus home to their families and kill them.

This is what happens when Republicans run the country. All must bow before the almighty Corporation.

'People will go back to work out of desperation, bring the virus home to their families and kill them.'

Oh for fuck's sake, you catastrophe queen. Children are still avoiding infection.

That's not true R268. There is a newborn and a 12 year old that have it.

The story on Placi.

Yes, that would be TWO out of 300k cases, R269.

R261 I mean, would you go into work knowing you’d be exposed right and left to COVID-19 and you couldn’t even get a mask to wear? Hell, no.

R266 No, that’s a real thing. A new CDC recommendation.

[quote]@VP: The CDC tomorrow is going to issue new guidance which will make it possible for people who have exposed to the coronavirus to return to work more quickly by wearing a mask for a certain period of time.

There are two kids in my state under four years old who tested positive.

The light is going out all over the world , we shall not see it lit again in our life-time.

And wearing a mask to protect yourself from the virus is only doing the bare minimum. If I didn’t have it, I certainly would not go into work with people who have the virus. That’s nuts. It seems clear that it doesn’t take much to contract the virus, so that would be a big HELL NO. .

I see lawsuits related to safety in the workplace coming.

hilarious that sources told an MSNBC contributor that Trump is insanely jealous of the positive feedback Cuomo has been getting regarding his press conferences and leadership. Trump is feeling upstaged so that's why he's coming out and doing daily press conferences of his own after Cuomo in an attempt to get the attention. To his dismay it's mostly negative feedback except on the nutty right wing outlets

even in a time like this it's ALL ABOUT TRUMP'S EGO

R274 Kids get the virus but don’t (for the most part) get seriously ill. They do carry and spread the virus though.

Lost Sense of Smell May Be Peculiar Clue to Coronavirus Infection A mother who was infected with the coronavirus couldn’t smell her baby’s full diaper. Cooks who can usually name every spice in a restaurant dish can’t smell curry or garlic, and food tastes bland. Others say they can’t pick up the sweet scent of shampoo or the foul odor of kitty litter.

Anosmia, the loss of sense of smell, and ageusia, an accompanying diminished sense of taste, have emerged as peculiar telltale signs of Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, and possible markers of infection.

On Friday, British ear, nose and throat doctors, citing reports from colleagues around the world, called on adults who lose their senses of smell to isolate themselves for seven days, even if they have no other symptoms, to slow the disease’s spread. The published data is limited, but doctors are concerned enough to raise warnings.

Several American patients who have had symptoms consistent with the coronavirus, but who have not been tested or are still awaiting test results, described losing their senses of smell and taste, even though their noses were clear and they were not congested.

Andrew Berry, 30, developed a fever and body aches about 10 days ago, and then a sore throat and debilitating headaches. He tested negative for influenza and has not gotten the result of a coronavirus test taken four days ago, but his physician was convinced that he had the virus, he said.

Now, Mr. Berry said, he literally cannot smell the coffee.

Can Obama come back? Please? Fuck the constitution.

r279, I've always called kids, "Walking Flesh Bags of Infection and Despair"

R280, that stupid article literally contradicts itself. First, it's an early sign. Then the last guy had it at the end of his infection. Whatever. I'm so sick of stupid bullshit being peddled everywhere.

How can the CDC say people can go to work with a mask? There are NO masks! When they say “exposed” do they mean people who have had it and have recovered? It’s just gonna cause more confusion with a lot of states having already shut everything down for the next few weeks. They cannot possibly be advising people to go back to work.

I'm Facebook friends with a frau of the highest order. I think sanitizing each grocery item is a bit much, no?

[quote] I collect them one by one and disinfect each item before bringing to kitchen. It took me 2 hours to put away groceries today. I do think this is safer than being physically in the store.

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING???

R284 They are though. They also said last week if health care workers couldn’t get a mask they could just use a bandanna and come on in to work.

Not on the same level as human suffering before I get jumped...but a sad consequence of all this craziness. My rescue animal organization has stopped taking in animals, nearly of all them are from high kill shelters.

R287, some organizations are shipping animals out to foster parents, because they don’t want to let the public in. Maybe something could be organized to do that.

[quote]In settings where facemasks are not available, HCP might use homemade masks (e.g., bandana, scarf) for care of patients with COVID-19 as a last resort.

[quote] When they say “exposed” do they mean people who have had it and have recovered?

That’s sort of the nutty part of this scheme. If you’ve fully recovered then you shouldn’t be contagious. If you’re still sick, you shouldn’t be at work, and presumably wouldn’t feel like you would even want to be.

So far, the only source for the claim that the CDC is going to let people exposed to CV return to work if they wear a mask seems to be this tweet from Yamiche Alcindor, and it's attributed to Pence. Yamiche is a reliable reporter, so it's probably true, but I haven't seen anyone else reporting this yet.

This unlocked feature article from the Washington Post on "What Its Like to be Infected with Coronovirus" is an interesting read. So many different body responses and experiences.

Interview with Anthony Fauci. Asked about having to stand next to Trump while he says crazy shit he says this:

[quote]I can't jump in front of the microphone and push him down. OK, he said it. Let's try and get it corrected for the next time.

I'm happy for the National Guard. They finally got to do something.

[quote]"If it were possible to wave a magic wand and make all Americans freeze in place for 14 days while sitting six feet apart, epidemiologists say, the whole epidemic would sputter to a halt."

But people are assholes and won’t do it unless forced to. China did it but Europe and the US are wimping out and suffering the consequences.

McConnell was at the lunch with Rand Paul and now he is in quarantine. So I guess they will use that as an excuse not to vote.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MARCH 22 10:00 PM EST

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 336,875

DEATHS: 14,625

CRITICAL: 10,544

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES,: 33,546

DEATHS: 419

CRITICAL: 795

No news outlet is reporting that myth about masks.

Won’t the virus die on the outside of containers when it’s put in the fridge? People are nuts with wiping everything.

The two-strain troll is really asking for it.

Lolz

[Quote] Some of y'all microwaves got spaghetti sauce in them from 1996... but you are acting a fool in the grocery store trying to buy Lysol.

[quote] Won’t the virus die on the outside of containers when it’s put in the fridge?

Eventually, yes. But the cold won’t kill it. This virus apparently likes the colder temperatures.

Washington Post:

Governors and mayors in growing uproar over Trump’s lagging coronavirus response

Get the politicians out of the way and let the doctors lead the fight against this virus. We have good doctors but they have no power to do anything. We're like 3 weeks into this crisis, and it ain't gonna get better by just slowing the virus down and treating only the ones that get ill enough. You have to cut off the transmission of the virus by pro-actively testing for virus carriers as early as possible and putting them in mandatory quarantine.

Retired South African swimmer Cameron van der Burgh, the 2012 Olympic 100-meter breaststroke champion, says he has coronavirus.

In a series of tweets on Sunday, the 31-year-old discussed dealing with the illness, calling it "by far the worst virus I have ever endured."

1/ Some personal thoughts/observations for athletes health,The summer games & my own experience with contracting Covid19.

2/ I have been struggling with Covid-19 for 14 days today. By far the worst virus I have ever endured despite being a healthy individual with strong lungs(no smoking/sport), living a healthy lifestyle and being young (least at risk demographic)

3/ Although the most severe symptoms(extreme fever) have eased, I am still struggling with serious fatigue and a residual cough that I can’t shake. Any physical activity like walking leaves me exhausted for hours.

4/ The loss in body conditioning has been immense and can only feel for the athletes that contract Covid-19 as they will suffer a great loss of current conditioning through the last training cycle. Infection closer to competition being the worst.

^^And this from an Olympic athlete.

The United Arab Emirates suspended all inbound and outbound passenger flights and "the transit of airline passengers" in the UAE for two weeks to combat the spread of coronavirus, according to the UAE's state-run news agency WAM.

The decision will take effect in 48 hours, WAM reported.

[quote]! McConnell sets 9:45 a.m. REVOTE on advancing massive virus rescue bill.

[quote]He emphasizes it will be 15 minutes AFTER markets open.

[quote]”Our national cannot afford a game of chicken," McConnell said, hoping Democrats have a "change of heart."

He’s gonna ram this thing through, bail out big business and throw a few crumbs to us poor working slobs.

Infected people going to work means millions of deaths in USA. Or rather - a majority of Americans getting the virus, way too soon (which is what would happen with workplace outbreaks, leading to uncontrollable epidemic), with even just a 0.5% death rate (not case death rate, but all infected estimation), risks having over hundreds of thousands dead, thus millions.

I'm sure capitalists can handle hundreds of thousands dead, but they're playing with wildfire if they want to underestimate this virus.

Prison riots in Colombia

[quote]Nationwide prison riots in Colombia prompted by coronavirus fears have left at least 23 inmates dead and 83 injured, the country's Ministry of Justice said on Sunday. “Today is a very sad and painful day for the country," Justice Minister Margarita Cabello said in a video address.

[quote]"I have to inform you that last night there was a massive and criminal escape attempt at the La Modelo prison and revolts at different penitentiary centers in the country," she said. The escape attempt at Bogota’s La Modelo prison, one of the country’s largest and most overpopulated prisons, resulted in the reported 23 dead and 83 injured Cabello said.

What do we know about Neal Browning, vaccine volunteer?

[quote]Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez announced the temporary restriction of non- essential flights from Spain during a televised press conference Sunday. The restrictions will be in place for 30 days and will not apply to residents of the European Union. The restrictions will begin at midnight Monday, local time, the Interior Minister’s Office announced on Twitter.

“Will not apply to the European Union”??

This is why they’re screwed.

No one is reporting the story about people having to go back to work wearing masks (especially when masks are needed by the medical industry). That unfortunately is misinformation being spread by a Datalounger.

New Jersey’s first coronavirus patient released from hospital on oxygen

New Jersey’s first coronavirus patient says he has been released from the hospital but faces a tough road to recovery since the ordeal has left him on an oxygen machine.

James Cai, a 32-year-old physician assistant, said he was finally discharged Saturday after testing negative twice for the virus that has ravaged his lungs.

“I have my fingers crossed that my lungs will come back,” Cai told The Post on Sunday in a text message, saying he was too weak to talk on the phone.

With no underlying health issues, the Fort Lee dad was in good shape before he was hospitalized March 2 with the virus at Hackensack University Medical Center.

But during his 19-day stint, the dangerous bug ravaged his lungs and he was placed on oxygen.

Cai said was released to his home with a smaller oxygen machine — “like a purse I carry all the time” — and another, larger one for when he sleeps.

“I am only 32 and I cannot rely on oxygen forever,” he said.

Cai said that there’s a chance that lung fibrosis could cause problems for him in the future. His doctors are unable to tell him whether his damaged lungs will ever recover.

“Nobody knows but at least I survived,” he told The Post.

Despite being cleared for the virus, he’s isolating at home while his wife and 20-month-old daughter stay with other relatives for another 14 days as a precaution.

“The longest time for the virus to stay in the body is around 30 days, according to Chinese experts,” he said. “Everybody is safe this way.”

He said that he also cleans all packages with 70% alcohol and then waits 10 minutes to open them.

“My friends and other family members will prepare food and hang them on my doorknob,” he said. “I will wear gloves and mask to get it after nobody is outside.”

Clearly Mitch only cares about the stock market!

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^^what “experimental treatment”?

Failure!

Trump and his top officials could not answer direct questions on Saturday and Sunday morning during the briefing and on various talk shows about the availability of new tests it hoped to unveil in coming weeks, or the timeframe for the federal government to get crucial N95 masks to health care workers.

R313 he's thinking of his donors

[quote] Doctors say coronavirus patients often feel better right before their condition dramatically worsens and they end up hospitalized

I am seeing this as I track six nations in a spreadsheet. Some of the next day's 'recovered' numbers are smaller than that of the day before.

What are we gonna do about China after this? Their barbaric way of life (wet markets) won’t stop after this. And China’s leadership hiding critical information won’t change.

R318 I think you’re only counted as “recovered” if you have two negative tests a few days apart

R319 Don't be a moron. The US can't even deal with a virus with any competence much less China.

Ha, my local sports reporters are reporting on the Australian Football league, because one of the players is from my state.

PPE is short for personal protective equipment.

Gown, mask, eye shield, gloves

There have been various publications detailing how long the virus can live on different kinds of surfaces. In no instance does it live outside the body longer than 72 hours. So if you have a garage, leave your shopping on a shelf in the garage for three days and there will be no need to wipe down any of it.

R324, What about my ice cream and other frozen foods?

r319: when we get a competent executive, we need a strategy to reduce our vulnerability to China. Pharmaceuticals, technology infrastructure, etc. We need to assess our vulnerabilities in the relationship with them and start building out. Yeah, paying a fair wage for a product may increase prices. We may need to suck it up for safety. We can’t cut China off but we can better protect ourselves from their... system. Major risks and weaknesses have been exposed already in this situation. We learn from it or we repeat it.

An aggressive, pragmatic Democratic platform is needed. The Republicans will sell us out. Look at McConnell tonight. Disgraceful. But he always is.

Where is Pierre? Haven’t seen him in a bit! Check in Pierre. Someone’s year of the bat comment made me think of you! 💕

[quote]No one is reporting the story about people having to go back to work wearing masks (especially when masks are needed by the medical industry). That unfortunately is misinformation being spread by a Datalounger.

Yamiche Alcindor tweeted that statement earlier tonight. Take it up with her.

What about exceptions, R325? You can't figure out how to make an exception?

Trump weighs in, as if he hasn’t already freaked people out enough

Donald J Trump @realDonaldTrump WE CANNOT LET THE CURE BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM ITSELF. AT THE END OF THE 15 DAY PERIOD, WE WILL MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHICH WAY WE WANT TO GO!

And this: (he hates Fox News lately. His new fave is some shady outfit called OANN)

[quote]I watch and listen to the Fake News, CNN, MSDNC, ABC, NBC, CBS, some of FOX (desperately & foolishly pleading to be politically correct), the @nytimes, & the @washingtonpost, and all I see is hatred of me at any cost. Don’t they understand that they are destroying themselves?

OANN has been represented by that bitch who was asking questions that appeared to have been written by Kellyanne Conjob.

He’s insane if he thinks these 15 days are going to be even moderately effective in slowing the spread of the virus. How many people — smart people, the BEST people — have said that we are Italy, only about 10 to 14 days behind them. Does that look like well be lifting restrictions next week?

What a moron.

So in R330 , Trump is willing to put everything on hold for 15 days, but if that's not enough then what? We're going to just let the virus run rampant through the population, overwhelm hospitals, and watch old people die? 15 days from now could be the top of the curve in America or just the slope upward. And his all caps means, I think, "THIS IS A WARNING." A warning to the virus? Or to the soon -o-be-dead people to get their affairs in order?

At least there will be something interesting for Pence to clear up at the next news conference.

[quote]I don't think we'll get to 100k in the US because of all the social distancing in the past week. What do you think?

You're naïveté isn't as charming as you think it is. 100K cases will be the tip of the iceberg.

One of the carpetbaggers that call him has been on the phone winding him up about the markets. I’d bet money on it. Except I don’t have any anymore.

[bold]Your[/bold] naïveté

Haha

[Quote] I need Mother Nature to get her child: Cornona La'Shay Da'Virus get your ass in this house and leave these people alone

So Trump will change the name of his virus containment program from "15 Days to Slow the Spread" to "15 Days or Else."

~32,000 cases in the US now

60,000 by Wednesday

120,000 by Saturday

It will keep doubling every four days or so. US cases will hit 1 million around early April.

I have loved reading all of these Covid-19 threads. We can all be experts on this because of the shared info. I am someone in the U.S. who desperately needs to get back to work, and have been hunkering down since last weekend. Please look at my link. I think all of us fall into 3 categories - don't have Covid-19 yet, just got it, had it already - 3 groups. I want to focus on the light at the end of the tunnel, which involves the seralogic antibody test. Maybe they'll be available to all soon. After taking this test, and knowing we are immune because we have these antibodies, then we are the lucky ones who can go back to work and resume living. We who test positive on this serologic antibody test can help everyone else and get things up and running again. Thanks to a few of you who have researched the "recovery" phase. I see hope. I'd like to invest in these folks but I'm not rich. Take care and keep posting.

[quote] He said that he also cleans all packages with 70% alcohol and then waits 10 minutes to open them.

Question- Why would someone who has already been infected need to do this? Caution is fine, but he can't get reinfected, correct? especially since he is still shedding the virus.

R156, this is the most accurate counter for North America. Every source is cited. You can filter by state and by county.

It must be really hard for Trump that ALL media including Fox News is now over his fake leadership and bullshit. His Twitter stans/bots are not going to save him.

Correct link to the counter, R156

Food - don’t panic. There is no evidence the virus is spreading through food or food delivery

What is he going on about re 15 days? It’s a lunatic at the helm

I LOVE CHINA. It's a wonderful country.

And I love the Chinese people. Love them, they're great. They make all these wonderful products with beautiful lead paint and they ship them to us for practically nothing.

And they invented this new viral flu something or other, and they shared it with us because I'm a close personal friend of, well, you know who and he didn't even charge us.

Yes, I love those people and their Chinese flu. It's a beautiful, beautiful thing.

Thanks, hausfrau at R181. Do you have any actually useful information share?

R78 That sounds like The Corona or s brain tumor.

Please call for an appointment at your earliest convenience.

R337 ....... Those bitches ain't got nothin' on us, cause we're young and fearless.

😘 From Lil Co'Vitt and Ka'Rhona Jones

Rudy Gobert gave fans a peek into dealing with the coronavirus, which apparently in his case includes not being able to smell anything.

The Jazz forward, who was the first NBA player to test positive for COVID-19, on Sunday tweeted some of the effects he’s felt while self-quarantining.

“Just to give you guys an update, loss of smell and taste is definitely one of the symptoms, haven’t been able to smell anything for the last 4 days,” Gobert wrote. “Anyone experiencing the same thing?”

According to the British Association of Otorhinolaryngology — which represents ear, nose and throat specialists — the loss of taste and smell could be crucial warning signs in “hidden carriers” of the novel coronavirus, and often appears in patients who show none of the earlier known symptoms.

Gobert tested positive for coronavirus on March 12, which led to the the postponement of Utah’s game against the Thunder and the suspension of the NBA season minutes later.

Nine other NBA players, including Gobert’s teammate Donovan Mitchell, have also tested positive for coronavirus.

Gobert has admitted to being “careless” after touching reporters’ recording devices prior to his positive test and “would have took this thing more seriously.”

Since then, the 27-year-old has publicly urged everyone to take precautionary measures. He also made a $500,000 donation to aid the fight against coronavirus.

Wondering why Trump keeps promoting telehealth in his briefings? Maybe it's because his administration (and your tax dollars) are working with a new telemedicine startup founded by Jared Kushner's brother. Always grifting.

Is Gobert the guy who was feeling up the microphones?

R352, yes.

the opera singer, Domingo is 79, he's gonna die...

I keep hoping that one of the reporters in Trump's briefings will throw a shoe at him. Right between the eyes. That's the only reason I watch them.

I don't know how one of the reporters hasn't just laughed openly at him.

Would his security shoot someone as a risk to life threat if they did that, do you think, r355? Or how about a water bomb full of make up remover?

I've decided to take a break from the news during the weekends. It's just too much. I looked up the news this morning and it was so fucking depressing. On Friday we had 1600 registered infected. Today the number was 2200. WTF. What is the point of quarantine if people are STILL getting infected?!

Guardian-In Turkey, nine more people had died by Sunday night, bringing the country’s death toll to 30. Health Minister Fahrettin Koca said on Twitter that 289 people tested positive for Covid-19 Sunday. The total number of confirmed cases in the country is now at least 1,236.

Guardian-Iran’s death toll has reached 1,685 with 129 deaths in the past 24 hours, the health ministry’s spokesman told state TV on Sunday, adding that the total number of infected people in Iran had reached 21,638.

Time for much needed sleep North American friends. Your shift is over. Pass the baton to we Euros as we take on the observation and provide narrative plus Spanish Legionnaire photos amid the descending madness.

[quote] I've decided to take a break from the news during the weekends. It's just too much. I looked up the news this morning and it was so fucking depressing. On Friday we had 1600 registered infected. Today the number was 2200. WTF. What is the point of quarantine if people are STILL getting infected?!

Say it with me, children.... MORE TESTING HAPPENED

Australian zookeeper moral boosting fan dance interlude

Guardian-Germany, the number of confirmed coronavirus cases in Germany has risen to 22,672 and 86 people have died from the disease, according to a tally released on Monday by the public health agency, the Robert Koch Institute (RKI). That compares with 18,610 cases and 55 deaths on Sunday, when RKI warned that the actual number was likely higher as not all local health authorities had submitted their figures over the weekend.

“ Doctors say coronavirus patients often feel better right before their condition dramatically worsens and they end up hospitalized.”

Oh God, that’s what the disease in The Stand did.

R365. And it remains to be seen if there are any long term effects of people who are considered "recovered ", especially the ones that had more serious cases of the virus

r143 you could definitely have it. I am recovering, and I had NO cough for 12 days while struggling with the virus, and barely a fever.

I had: A headache like you wouldn't believe. It wrapped around my head like a vice and went down to my neck. Body aches, fatigue and a rapid scary heart beat (which I still have to an extent).

On day 8 I messaged my mum jokingly 'my pooh has stopped smelling lol!' the no sense of smell lasted 2 or 3 days.

4 days ago I started getting the smallest cough, which is when I got tested. I suspected I had it, having lived through 2 bouts of dengue fever - this was quite similar in many ways.

Now - 14 days later I have a slight cough and my lungs feel full. I am still having a bit of trouble taking a full breath. I am a bit dizzy and lightheaded. Still feel a bit crap. I've come out in hives in some parts of my body.

My point is - I never had a high fever or cough.

I must also add, that thanks to the DL I stocked up on cough expectorant which seems to have helped immensely.

I'm a bit worried. I had diarrhoea last night (I know, TMI). It's not something I get regularly, and I hadn't eaten anything dodgy. From what I've read, this was a primary symptom of many people who ended up hospitalised by the virus. I don't have any other symptoms apart from mild pain in my chest. No cough,no fever. I filled in the form on the NHS website and it says that since I don't have a fever or cough, I'm unlikely to have the virus. I hope it was just a coincidence.

My colleague stocked up on hand sanitizer and wipes that "kill 99.9% of all bacteria". It doesn't say anything about killing a virus or being anti viral. I asked her why she uses this everywhere when we're fighting the coronaVIRUS. Lol. Seems like lots of hand sanitizer that people bought does not protect from viruses and they don't even realize.

If it’s at least 60% alcohol it will deactivate an enveloped virus.

You can’t kill what isn’t alive.

This is the John Hopkins map, focused on Florida and took a screenshot of the hot spots. Notice how the virus follows the highways. Just from a casual view - I don't the statistics to verify. Obviously, the big coastal cities are different. But the virus travels along major highways.

Can anyone gas stations - the pumps, the rest stops, even motels along route.

I stood at the entrance of a corona ward today. I had to pick up one of my charges who'd been in the respiratory ward for four days with a rhino virus that had played havoc with her asthma. They wouldn't let me in because I'd recently had a head cold. The poor Irish lass who had been sent by her agency to look after my charge was freaking out, but the nurses and doctors all seemed calm and very happy to actually let someone free. The Irish girl had spent the last 8 hours eves dropping. She was convinced we are just a week or two behind Italy. All I can think is (a) I'm grateful my charge got so sick this week, who knows if she would just be dumped in a corridor next week and (b) This is serious mum...time to stop your messing around, people I know are going to lose their livelihoods, their businesses, their homes, their health and their lives. After a lifetime of bombastic overblown media and first world drama it's hard to comprehend. I was supposed to be on the first day of a South Pacific cruise today.

This model (may) predicts the last day each state can act before the point of no return

[quote]eves dropping

Pics please.

The return to work on day 4 with a mask if no fever after exposure is specific to health care workers only. It isn't about the general population.

One of my SIL's sisters works for Fitbit (or similar, not entirely sure) and they are working on a map similar to the Kinsa fever map, but with heart rate and a whole lot more data points.

R367 now you've got me all paranoid hypochondriac-y. I've absolutely got a terrible headache (which I am prone to anyway) and a weird hive-looking break out on my left arm. I haven't heard of hives being a symptom.

Remember -- 9 out of 10 people who have been sick enough to be tested for coronavirus have turned out to be negative.

Guardian-In Spain, one of Europe’s worst hit countries after Italy, the coronavirus death toll in Spain has reached 2,182, adding 462 fatalities overnight

This is worrisome. Caitlyn can't to out to shop and do Vanity Fair shoots at the studio.

This is worrisome. Caitlyn can't to out to shop and do Vanity Fair shoots at the studio.

Stealth scat thread.

No one needs to know your obsession with shit.

NYT: There is a growing feeling within the president's immediate circle that, in efforts to rebut criticisms that Trump had acted too slowly, they had let the medical professionals set policy that impacted the economy.

Hence, his tweet at R330.

This is unfortunately behind a paywall -- but clear your cookies and take a look: photos of tourist hotspots around the world, now abandoned.

Jeezus, R331.

That's the scariest thing I've ever read from him. Both his paranoia and his narcissism have never before been so unmasked. He's about to break into a new level of rage.

Somebody take him down before he kills us all.

R367 Now you have me worried. I've had a cold for a few weeks now. Headaches, stuffy nose, sore throat. No cough or fever though. I started feeling better this weekend but today I feel awful again. Hope this isn't a sign that I might be infected.

Wow the European countries are really taking a hit. I read that its because these countries are very social and there are a lot of old people. I guess Americans make less contact with each other? Or the worst is yet to come...

r385 have you contacted a doctor?

R386. The worst is yet to come

⏳ CORONA TIME MARCH23 9:15 AM EST

🐶 NATIONAL PUPPY DAY

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 339,026

DEATHS: 14,968

CRITICAL: 10,533

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 34,755

DEATHS: 452

CRITICAL: 795 ( NOT UPDATED FOR 3 DAYS )

r377, the tests have proven to give very high numbers of false negatives, but not false positives.

Trump is getting desperate. He was dragged into recommding social distancing kicking and screaming. He's touting cures that do not exist. Thanking leaders for shutting down their states after the fact and without his involvement. Now he is signalling to wall street that all of this is going to magically end in 15 days and we can return to normal. Unfortunately, the situation in the US will continue to get worse in the coming days and weeks as the virus slowly penetrates deeper and deeper into our society.

Trump and his followers, like the virus, can be understood using rational analysis. You have a highly unstable antisocial leader, supported by a powerful political infrastructure using mass media to influence and control the thoughts and behavior of a significant number of our fellow Americans. Keep yourself well informed, follow expert advice, and avoid contact with those infected.

[quote]Wow the European countries are really taking a hit. I read that its because these countries are very social and there are a lot of old people. I guess Americans make less contact with each other? Or the worst is yet to come...

Most Euro cities are more dense (with exceptions obviously like NYC, SF, Boston, etc.) People rely more on public transit and concentrated "high street" shopping rather than big box stores. Far fewer single family homes. And, yes, they have more aging populations. I believe there will be some bad outbreaks in the US, but overall, it should spread more slowly. For once I'm glad that I live in a boring low density metro area...although we do have a ton of elderly retirees here, so maybe it will even out.

Starting to get up and about here in NYC. Buckle up, buttercups, we’re in for a particularly rough week.

R393. Indeed it will spread more slowly. But spread it will thanks in part to the mixed signals people are receiving from their leaders about the potential danger and false hopes for a quick cure. One thing is certain, Mr. Corona always gets paid! He may give you an extension here and there but eventually you have to pay up.

🌸 Crowds of people showing up in Washington DC this weekend to check out the Cherry Blossoms.

Shouldn't DC be the epicenter of Social Distancing ?

LOL R389, don't drag innocent puppies into this shitshow!

yes, USA is more spread out. The country is HUGE!

Fucking Trump is crazy, talking about reopening after 2 weeks. it's not safe...

CNN-Hong Kong bans most non-residents from entering the city

Travelers will also not be allowed to transit through Hong Kong airport.

The strict new measures come as the number of confirmed cases in the city has almost doubled in the past week.

Many of the cases were imported from overseas, as Hong Kong residents who had left -- either to work or study abroad, or to seek safety when the city seemed destined for a major outbreak earlier this year -- returned, bringing the virus back with them.

Even the Ass-Kisser in Chief is cautioning Trump:

Lindsey Graham: President Trump’s best decision was stopping travel from China early on.

I hope we will not undercut that decision by suggesting we back off aggressive containment policies within the United States.

In a world where we had a functioning Federal government, I could envision a scenario where we could coordinate states or metro areas coming back online in a phased way. This is a huge sprawling country and we should be taking advantage of that fact. The less hit areas/states could be functional, keeping businesses running and sending supplies to the hard hit areas. Of course, you'd have to forbid travel between the hot zones and the less impacted places. A real government could make it work.

😹 [italic] My Kitties 💌 You, Sylvia !

Trump and Pence are already pressuring the CDC to buy off on the idea that, at the end of March, people can return to work with masks, and get the economy going again. This is a desperate effort to keep the DJIA from falling below 20K (the only measure of his success DJT can understand). It's today's "tactic." Tomorrow, there will be a different one. . .

CNN-There are now at least 34,000 coronavirus cases in the US

According to CNN Health’s tally of US cases that are detected and tested in the United States through US public health systems, there are at least 34,407 cases of the novel coronavirus in the United States. 414 people have died.

The total includes cases from all 50 states, the District of Columbia and other US territories, as well as all repatriated cases.

Dow now below $19K by 10AM Monday. (A full 33% year-to-date loss).

R404 if you do the math, that's WAY MORE than the 2-3% mortality rate

Lied too again

r406, there's no way to know the percentage of deaths to infections without upscaling testing by magnitudes.

And frankly it's idiotic that they're only testing deathly sick people. Those people need to be vented and given other extraordinary measures no matter what's causing their severe pneumonia. They should be testing populations who are showing ZERO symptoms or slight colds.

[quote]At the end of an hour-long phone call with White House and Homeland Security officials, a police chief from outside San Francisco made a stark plea: “Stop testing NBA players, and start testing our first responders.”

US senator with coronavirus is isolating at home

From CNN's Manu Raju

Sen. Rand Paul is at home in Kentucky, his office tells CNN. He drove himself home from Washington.

Paul is the first US senator to test positive for coronavirus. A statement from Paul's office posted to his Twitter account Sunday said he was "feeling fine" and was "tested out of an abundance of caution."

But some senators and aides are angry at Paul for not doing more to self-quarantine earlier and for potentially exposing senators to the coronavirus.

Paul attended a major black-tie social event in Louisville, Kentucky, two weeks ago where several attendees have subsequently tested positive, including the wife of Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer.

Imported cases from the UK account for 12.77% of the TOTAL cases in Singapore (65 out of 509)! This is an ominous sign and demonstrates just how widespread the virus already is in the UK. Italy 2.0!

".......Su Xin, who alerted the Guardian to the news report, said it is important to highlight how many of those who make up the recent spike in Singapore seem to be returning students. She writes:

According to the Covid dashboard for Singapore that draws on our ministry’s press releases, there are 65 imported cases from the UK, a shocking 12.77%. The virus is clearly making its arounds around the UK but undetected cause of lack of testing. "

Young people spreading the virus and recording it for the world.

Massachusetts is closing all non-essential businesses

Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker announced today that the state is closing non-essential businesses. The order goes into effect on Tuesday at noon.

Businesses that are exempt include grocery stores, gas stations and medical suppliers. Mass transit will still run, the governor said.

Baker is advising people to stay at home, but he is not ordering it.

“Due to evolving spread of COVID-19 in Massachusetts, Governor Baker has directed the Department of Public Health to issue a stay at home advisory outlining self-isolation and social distancing protocols. Residents are advised to stay home and avoid unnecessary travel and other unnecessary activities during this two-week time period,” his administration said in a press release.

Baker said the state wants 3 million items of personal protective equipment (PPE) for health care providers and is getting some via donation.

R331, I actually didn't believe he'd tweeted that until I checked his Twitter. And given all the crazy stuff Trump has tweeted over the years, that's saying something.

Scotland's first minister Nicola Sturgeon is being blunter than wishy-washy Boris. "Life shouldn’t feel normal just now. So if your life still feels entirely normal, ask yourself if you are doing the right things, or if instead you might be putting yourself and others at unnecessary risk."

[quote]The White House coronavirus press briefing was supposed to be at 4:30 p.m. yesterday, but Trump told aides he wanted it moved to "prime time."

This delusional freak thinks his increasingly bizarre public rantings are ‘WINNING,’ apparently. He’s so far from reality it’s scary.

Post r331:

And this: (he hates Fox News lately. His new fave is some shady outfit called OANN)

I watch and listen to the Fake News, CNN, MSDNC, ABC, NBC, CBS, some of FOX (desperately & foolishly pleading to be politically correct), the @nytimes, & the @washingtonpost, and all I see is hatred of me at any cost. Don’t they understand that they are destroying themselves?

Why are DLers so bad at basic math...

Pierre are you okay?

Check in, mon petite 😘

Klobuchar's husband is positive!

Wow...DC must be a hot bed for the virus.

Wow R419

They all look so much alike. Hope he recovers soon.

Any news on the lawyer who was tweeting then suddenly on a vent? Lat?

Cuomo Time

Not trying to downplay this at all -- I think the economic impact will rival the Great Depression -- but there's only been 10,000 deaths to COVID worldwide. By contrast, the Spanish Flu killed 20-50 MILLION. I don't see this coming anywhere near that. Agree?

The Italian mayor at the end of the video is hot as hell.

"I stopped him and said, 'Look, this isn't a movie. You are not Will Smith in I Am Legend. Go home." This is the updated compilation of Italian Mayors losing it at people violating #Covid19 quarantine. Yes, subtitles are accurate.

Michigan Governor Whitmer issues a stay-at-home order for the next three weeks. Says they got their shipment of medical protective gear from the strategic reserve year – and at one hospital, it wasn't even enough to cover one shift.

R271, Let's have you go back to work first, okay? Or maybe you don't work. Then just go to a dozen stores, okay? See how blase you really are.

5,707 new cases in New York state yesterday, Cuomo says. Most in NYC.

aq

I understand hospitals sending out letters to nursing professionals, appealing to them to return to work, but let's get real about recruiting retirees. As a retired nurse in my late sixties, I've worked full time my entire life and would not want to return under the best of circumstances, let alone during a pandemic. I'm considered in the " high risk & extremely vulnerable" category. I realize these are desperate times, but asking myself and others in my age group to leap into the fire is just thoughtless.

R429 They just did that in CT. Looking at all of the ramifications and considering that PPE is low, people are being asked to consider giving their lives to help others during this mess. Bless them all.

I think Amy's hope for a VP nomination has just been put on hold.

Emmanuel just called Burr " Benedict Arnold."

Why R431?

Cuomo is totally pwning Dump

Professor in intensive care with coronavirus after trip to London

A professor at Kansas State University is in intensive care with COVID-19 after taking students on a spring break trip to London, but says he’s “fighting hard” to recover from the debilitating virus.

Andrew Smith, who teaches journalism and mass communications, detailed the symptoms he and his family were battling Sunday since returning from overseas earlier this month: high fevers, chest pressure, extreme fatigue and a lack of concentration.

“My fever’s been spiking at 103 and they’ve been trying and struggling hard to keep that at least under control to let me heal a little bit and try to get better in that fashion,” Smith said while hooked up to oxygen in a Facebook video from his hospital bed in Manhattan, Kansas. “Those things are all parts of this illness.”

Smith has been diagnosed with bilateral pneumonia in addition to coronavirus after traveling with several K-State students during the trip. The professor said the group did everything they could to avoid people during their return home.

“We did not stop anywhere, we did not stop at restaurants,” Smith said. “We got off the plane, into a waiting car. And I’ve only been to the emergency room and the ICU, and that’s it.”

Health officials in Kansas confirmed Saturday that Riley County had identified its first case of COVID-19, the Wichita Eagle reports. Smith’s wife later identified him on Facebook as that patient, saying his condition was “not improving” while hospitalized.

“When we left on March 4th there were only a few cases in the US and the UK,” wife J.A. Smith wrote on Facebook. “While abroad we took the same precautions as everyone. We did not see a single medical [professional] on our travel home from London.”

Smith’s wife said she’s convinced that she and the couple’s two children also have COVID-19, but only his sample was analyzed by health officials, she said.

“I am fine,” her post continued. “Abby and Aubri are fine. “Andrew is not. Andrew works out every day, eats well and is in generally FANTASTIC health. This virus is selective and none know who the next victim will be.”

While Smith’s short-term outlook is unclear, he thanked people for the “outpouring of love and concern” he’s received since being diagnosed.

“The prognosis is ongoing,” he said. “The goal is to get myself out of intensive care and then when that happens, move to the next step. So that’s what we’re working toward, and I’m fighting hard. I’m a fighter and so is my wife, Jen and my two kids are fighting through as well.”

R433 Her husband just tested positive for Coronavirus

This is the most current David Lam update I could find, R421.

Thanks R436. I went ahead and googled it.

MD Gov. Larrry Hogan is shuttering all non-essential businesses at 5PM today (Monday).

I assume booze will have to be deivered to our doors now.

Other states have declared liquor stores essential businesses.

12305 confirmed cases in nyc!!!!!! what's the breakdown on boroughs? anyone knows? how many in manhattan?

Lol

R423 The Spanish Flu killed so many because people didn't really know about viruses then and there were no treatments available to alleviate the symptoms. The First World War also meant that it wasn't reported widely in the newspapers so as not to damage morale, there was no national policy of containment or social distancing and because so many people lived in overcrowded insanitary conditions, it wouldn't have been possible to enforce. There were also other diseases around such as TB which would have increased the mortality rate and there was a lot of poverty and malnutrition which made the poor more vulnerable to infection and death. If this virus had been around 100 years ago, I think the end result would have been much the same.

[quote]College students in Florida test positive for coronavirus after spring break trip

Germany bans gatherings of more than two people.

The virus lives on surfaces and yet people are touching surfaces all the time. I remember when I would go to buy a movie that I would pick up a movie and read the back of it. Think of how many people do that. When I am buying food I look for the expiration date and think how many people do that too. At the grocery checkout, is it better to do the self serve or go to a clerk? Unless they are wiping down the surfaces all the time you are in constant contact with what someone has touched.

R443 a well thought out and logical post 👏🏻

First, Canada then Australia. And now Germany. Time to stick a fork in Olympic Games this year.

CNN-Germany has asked the International Olympic Committee to postpone the Olympic Games to 2021, a German National Olympic Committee spokesperson told CNN.

R441: The site at link has the breakdown by borough. However, it is 4000 cases behind worldometers.info

[quote]Wow...DC must be a hot bed for the virus.

I actually think DC must be a hot bed for testing.

The Germany example of testing everyone so they know has dramatically reduced the impact and mortality. THIS is what we should be doing. Instead, we are now NOT testing even those with symptoms but only those whose treatment would be changed because of a diagnosis. We need to get tests and PPE everywhere and start testing ASAP. Phlebotomists could even do testing with the right PPE. No excuse - federal government completely failed in prepping PPE and testing.

Both the US and UK seem to be sticking to the herd immunity plan, where you allow the virus to spread freely and pick off the weakest, then order everybody back to work, assuming that if they've survived they're disease resistant. Donald Trump and Boris Johnson are on the same page with this, sharing the same extreme right-wing philosophy and some of the same advisers. And Boris Johnson once wrote an Ayn Rand-style newspaper column praising the mayor in "Jaws" for keeping the beaches open.

Klobuchar’s husband tests positive. Interns and staff members will be safe for the next 14 days as she goes into self-quarantine.

[quote]The Germany example of testing everyone so they know has dramatically reduced the impact and mortality. THIS is what we should be doing. Instead,

For population size Gemany's death rate from the virus is on par with the US.

Agree that calling back retired HCW seems crazy, but area they also asking almost-finished med students to help? I don't see why not.

^^ ARE they also

[quote] Germany has asked the International Olympic Committee to postpone the Olympic Games to 2021, a German National Olympic Committee spokesperson told CNN.

That makes a great deal of sense. Hold off for a year.

R423. You're like 5000+ deaths behind. Make that 6000+ in a few hours.

Correction: I was under the impression that Boris had actually WRITTEN his praise of the "Jaws" mayor. It turns out it was just a smartypants thing he liked to say in speeches and interviews.

[quote]Instead, we are now NOT testing even those with symptoms but only those whose treatment would be changed because of a diagnosis.

And professional athletes, celebrities, politicians and the well-connected! Don't forget them, R451.

[quote]Trump is getting desperate. He was dragged into recommding social distancing kicking and screaming. He's touting cures that do not exist

This is literally driving him crazy(er.) He can’t lie and bullshit his way out of what is happening. He has no control over these events. He has no more days on his luxury golf courses or nights partying in his mansions. No more flying around in AF1 and rolling in motorcades. No more rallies. He’s coming off the rails a little more every day.

Daily Mail headline. The shit is about to hit the fucking fan in the UK

'Mayor of Italy's worst-hit town brings his two daughters home from England because UK 'is not taking coronavirus seriously enough'

Coronavirus in NY: De Blasio says likely that students won’t return this school year

[quote]The Spanish Flu killed so many because people didn't really know about viruses then and there were no treatments available to alleviate the symptoms

Yes. There were no ICUs, ventilators, dialysis or ECMO back then.

Any one who has had to go into a grocery store, a pharmacy, etc, knows that the recommendation for social distancing is just a dream.

Any one who has had to go into a grocery store, a pharmacy, etc, knows that the recommendation for social distancing is just a dream.

My daffodils are beginning to open, and the forsythia bush is in bloom. Lilly of the Valley are peeking through . Looking in the garden, life looks so normal.

😢 But it's not ........

When I thought I had it and went into self-quarantine and received care packages from my President and Melania, I was worried.

I believe now though, it was just a bad case of vaginal yeast infection.

CNN: Only a week ago, Hong Kong seemed like a model for how to contain the novel coronavirus, with a relatively small number of cases despite months of being on the front lines of the outbreak.

That was in large part thanks to action taken early on, while cases were spreading across mainland China, to implement measures that are now familiar throughout the world: virus mapping, social distancing, intensive hand-washing, and wearing masks and other protective clothing.

Hong Kong was proof that these measures worked, with the city of 7.5 million only reporting some 150 cases at the start of March, even as the number of infections spiked in other East Asian territories like South Korea and Japan, and spread rapidly across Europe and North America.

Now, however, Hong Kong is providing a very different object lesson -- what happens when you let your guard down too soon. The number of confirmed cases has almost doubled in the past week, with many imported from overseas, as Hong Kong residents who had left -- either to work or study abroad, or to seek safety when the city seemed destined for a major outbreak earlier this year -- return, bringing the virus back with them.

R406, your math is way off. 414 fatalities out of 34,000 cases is about 1.2%

My state is at 81 cases today. Still at two deaths.

We jumped up by 12 confirmed cases from yesterday, so we will be at or over 100 cases by Wednesday. Also, I paid $1.07/gal for gas yesterday.

R461 I imagine for the last three years Trump has probably thought he was governing rather than just obviously swanning around clueless. Probably wondering why posturing isn't working now.

Susan is now concerned.

I hope Susan Collins gets Coronavirus...in BOTH her holes.

Unfortunately the developing crisis in NY is exactly what we feared would happen weeks ago. Although there were no official cases in the state, we knew this was impossible given the influx of tourist and the population density. Due to the situation in China and in Europe, both the local and federal governments should have taken measures to address the elephant in the room. Far too late now. And we thought 911 was bad?

Susan is telling them....

⏳ CORONA TIME 🐶 MARCH 23 12:30 PM EST

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 358,864

DEATHS: 15,433

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 39,389

DEATHS: 467

CRITICAL: 2,040

TRUMP ITCHING TO SCALE BACK SOCIAL DISTANCING AFTER 15 DAYS

[quote]I actually think DC must be a hot bed for testing.

And raht you ah sir! I've been tested each tahme I collapsed on my fainting couch. Which is a lot with all these fake coronavirus turning into real Chinese virus events.

The models @ r374 are suggesting that hospitalizations will peak in late April/May. I hope everyone is comfortable at home, we wont be going out for weeks!

BBC-The head of the World Health Organization (WHO) says the coronavirus pandemic is "accelerating".

Speaking at a press briefing in Geneva, WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said: “It took 67 days from the first reported case to reach 100,000 cases, 11 days for the second 100,000 cases, and just four days for the third 100,000 cases.”

(Two things are true about the above statement. Cases are increasing due to more testing. AND the virus is spreading. Wanted to get that in for the annoying "Cases are increasing only because of more testing" guy in this thread who keeps shooting down posters)

This is what is freaking people out - the death #s.

Jan. 23 - 25 Jan. 27 - 106 Jan. 31 -259 Feb. 5 - 565 Feb. 10 -1,018 Feb. 18 - 2,009 Mar. 1 - 3,050 Mar. 13 - 5,429 Mar. 19 - 10,031 Mar. 23 - 15,439

That we know of - some places don't report deaths, like Russia and I think Iran has, too.

[quote]This is what is freaking people out - the death #s.

Meanwhile, Larry Kudlow on Fox News moments ago: "The president is right. The cure can't be worse than the disease. And we're going to have to make some difficult tradeoffs."

And the states will continue to ignore Trump. He hasn’t issued any federal laws about social distancing or shelter in place. He can tell people to go back to work all he wants but the governors will just ignore him as they’ve been doing all along.

McConnell demonizing Democrats: “They just don’t care about suffering Americans. They just want to push their radical agenda.” He just can’t understand how they could be so stubborn and mean-spirited.

Does anyone buy this kind of partisan nonsense? Why not just admit that BOTH sides want a good outcome are working to get it.. They just have different ideas about what will work and what is fair.

Does anyone listen to Mitch and think, “Yeah, my party is really evil. I should support the Repubs, who only want the best for the people?”

On the other hand, Schumer sadly replies, “We’re still negotiating. We want to get it right.”

These tired old speeches are useless. Meanwhile, no relief package.

An abundance of bullshit!

Klobuchar’s husband sounds pretty sick.

[quote]John started to feel sick when I was in Minnesota and he was in Washington D.C. and like so many others who have had the disease, he thought it was just a cold. Yet he immediately quarantined himself just in case and stopped going to his job teaching in Baltimore. He kept having a temperature and a bad, bad cough and when he started coughing up blood he got a test and a chest X-ray and they checked him into a hospital in Virginia because of a variety of things including very low oxygen levels which haven’t really improved. He now has pneumonia and is on oxygen but not a ventilator.

Guardian-South Africa’s coronavirus cases jumped to 402 on Monday, up 128 from the day before, continuing worrying rise in numbers in the continent’s most developed economy, reports Jason Burke in Johannesburg.

We're pathetic. We have barely social distanced in two weeks and we're already done. No mas. Fucking soft as Charmin.

For those who keep referencing how much worse the 1918 flu was, yes millions died. And if we do exactly what they did a hundred years ago and forego all the medical advances and knowledge since, millions will die from Covid-19. Crazy that we actually want to use all that we have learned to keep millions from dying.

R487 Once you get pneumonia and your oxygen levels drop even on supplemental oxygen, that’s when it can accelerate to ARDS which has a pretty low recovery rate.

The Crown Prince of Liars accusing the the media of fake news ?

That's choice coming from Evil Genius who invented it !

Lawrence Summers, former Treasury Secretary skyping in to CNN. Warning of dire consequences if we try to reverse social distancing too soon which would REALLY fuck up the economy.

McConnell is seeking massive funds for the Trump administration to distribute to corporations of their choice with vague accountability.

Are we do assume Mnuchin and cohorts will do this fairly based on ethically and competently assessed needs? Certainly, Trump and Jared would have their tiny hands dipped into this and deciding who gets what based on their own financial and political interests.

R489 The concern is that our hospitals and healthcare system might be overwhelmed by a massive influx of very sick patients, as is happening in Europe (which is just about 2 weeks behind us.)

[quote]TRUMP ITCHING

Pics please.

BBC-A further 46 people in England who tested positive for Covid-19 have died, NHS England has said.The patients were aged between 47 and 105 years old and all had underlying health conditions. This brings the total UK death toll to 335, with four deaths announced in both Scotland and Wales earlier on Monday.

Listening to Cuomo I wondered why the states - at least the Democratic states - didn’t band together and appoint a Corona Negotiator to deal with the suppliers on their behalf, as a bloc. That’s what he wants from the feds but they won’t do it. So make your own. I’m not being critical... I think Cuomo is doing a hell of a job but I just thought, do it, or threaten to... Trump usually caves when threatened privately with humiliation.

The hospital system is ALREADY overwhelmed.

What a great time for Rs and Ds to be squabbling amongst themselves and deadlocking Congress. Way to go, guys. 👍

Republican water-carrier at R499. Troll.

Starting to get really angry at that fat fucking yam. I’m diabetic and have high blood pressure, both fairly well controlled with medication. If this fucking moron tries to force people back to the workplace he’s going to kill me and thousands of others who are in even worse condition. He doesn’t fucking care.

Note to America....maybe next time elect a president who has the ability to empathize with other living beings that aren’t directly connected to him/her.

Because it's a war out there, R497.

Every state for itself.

R497 That feels like one step away from secession, Trump would send in the troops to crush the rebellion.

R37

That is heartbreaking. He and his husband have a 2 year old. Damn 😿😿😿 Prayers he pulls through, please.

Should be R437

R500 Where are you seeing anything pro-Republican in R499?

Guarduan-Panama has confirmed the death of a 13-year-old girl from Covid-19 - one of the youngest reported victims so far, Nina Lakhani reports.

Republicans, Maybe next time you vote for a president who's not from Uranus.

Let’s pray Ivanka doesn’t get it and pass away.

R506, try and familiarize yourself with the term “bothsiderism” and then get back to us.

Some encouraging signs for Italy.

BBC-Italy has reported another 602 deaths from coronavirus, Reuters news agency says. That brings the total death toll up to 6,078 - but it means that the daily number of deaths has fallen for the second day in a row, down from 651 on Sunday. Crucially, our Rome correspondent Mark Lowen says, the rise in new infections has slowed again, from 9 to 8.1%.

R511> But critical US cases are up to 2000 from 700. I look at that as indicator of future death rates In the US.

^meant 1000 critical

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I would let Pres Doofus to say he's laxing the social distancing . But ultimately the state governers should have the final say. lets see who will follow the doofus.

Florida is a shit hole with all of the worst aspects of Americans combined into one state. Corona can have it. Hopefully it takes Mar a Lago down as well.

[quote]Starting to get really angry at that fat fucking yam. I’m diabetic and have high blood pressure, both fairly well controlled with medication. If this fucking moron tries to force people back to the workplace he’s going to kill me and thousands of others who are in even worse condition. He doesn’t fucking care.

Are you over weight? If so, get serious about losing weight. You might be able to reverse your diabetes and high blood pressure. Those drugs are only treating the symptom while the underlying problem remains. And as you know, you are at higher risk for many things including complications from the virus.

Good luck to you.

In guy in the city of Phoenix's Aviation Department died of the coronavirus. No one knew he had it until several days after he died. Imagine the number of people he may have infected.

I can't imagine what is must be like for those are suffering in ICU and totally separated from family and loved ones. It must be terrifying and so fucking lonely.

The Republicans can keep pushing the conspiracy theories and let their constituents keep going out then they’ll all get infected.

Dear R517

Fuck You!!!!!!!!!

A. I am at most 7-10 pounds over an ideal weight. B. So I deserve to die because diabetes runs in my family....that is and wasn’t obese??? C. Cunts like you are the ones who should be dying. Oxygen is too precious for you to be wasting D. Fuck You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please FF R517 and at least gray the fucker out.

Fat Cunts unite.

I think R517 was being sincere and honest. Chill the fuck out r521 / r522

The difference between Trump and previous incompetent Republican presidents Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush is that they were actually pretty good front men. They cooperated with the evil but functional backroom cabals that told them what to say and do. They've been trying to do the same thing with Trump but failing at every turn. I bet the Republican hierarchy are starting to wish with all their hearts they'd taken the opportunity of removing him last month as they're forced to realize that COVID-19 might very well take them out along with all those expendable peasants.

r503 that's a little overblown. The states can band together for mass negotiating. The Federal government should be doing it, which is sort of the point of it, but it's totally useless under Trump. And he's only too happy to let the blue states fend for themselves.

I will not FF R517. Just because of your rant R521/R522 I will WW R517.

What r517 said is true and we should FF r521 and r522 for being a total fucking cunt who can't take simple advise without being a total cunt.

JFC, R521/R522, calm down for your own good. It was a question from R517, not a judgment. I have type 1 diabetes, which has nothing to do with weight, yet over the years I've received all kinds of judgmental responses from strangers implying or outright stating that at age12 (and seriously underweight since my pancreas had stopped functioning) I brought the disease on myself from being sedentary and overeating (neither of which was true or has anything to due with type 1 etiology). Eventually I could only laugh at their willful ignorance if they didn't want to hear about why there's a distinction.

And you said you had high blood pressure. HBP and Diabetes usually means you're a big fat fatty, but even so, 517 ASKED and asked politely.

Go away, thread derailers.

Should I cancel my reservations/tickets for a large conference the last week of June? It is in Atlantic City. Part of me feels this CV shutdown will continue until June. But another feels things may be back on track (no more shutdown/CV downturn) by June. I keep going back and forth on this one!

Washington Post:

Democrats block key vote on $2 trillion coronavirus bill as Senate floor erupts with partisan anger

Haha! Go Dems use your leverage to get the most for the little people!

Trump is basically telling everybody to start going out again next week. Everything he says is on purpose. He's fully onboard with herd immunity. Young people will be more than happy to oblige.

If that happens, then there's nothing any of us can do at that point. Your only option is to get the virus and hope you get mild symptoms. If 40-70% of the US is likely to get the virus(150 million is the UCSF estimate) then you can't avoid it, unless you become a hermit for the 12 months it will take to develop a vaccine.

Geez someone's touchy about their weight.

Who is the man smirking in the photo at r533? Also, we will need a new thread soon.....

R535> Fuck that orange shit stain! I will continue to WFH regardless of what he says. And my employer is onboard / luckily.

This virus needs to affect him/his personally so he can stop spewing dumb - dangerous shit. Otherwise, Americans are fucked.

Coronavirus Freakout 24: Tempers flair on Datalounge

IOC finally postponing Olympics 2020 because of coronavirus pandemic

No we don’t need another thread for 50 posts.

Joe Manchin blasts Meemaw Turtelene on the Senate floor

[quote] Young people will be more than happy to oblige.

According to CNN reporting, ONE (just one) of the reasons Trump is open to abandoning nation-wide social distancing is because he doesn't think it will work.

[quote] Trump has been irked by the images of spring breakers in Florida ignoring the self-isolating guidance, a source close to the White House who is involved in the coronavirus response said. "What's the point of social distancing if 20% ignore the order?" Trump has said to aides, according to the source.

[quote] Outside the doctors and public health experts, nearly all of the President's senior advisers are eager to relax the nationwide guidelines to begin reopening the economy. "I don't know anybody in the building who is arguing that we should keep going the way we're going," one senior White House official said. "Everybody here is pulling in the same direction."

He does have a point...American's are selfish fools. I say that as an American

Who gives a shit about the Olympics at this point anyway. People are unemployed and afraid they can't pay their rent next month so who cares if tgey postpone it or not.

exactly

r543, american's ?

Ha! u got me on that R546

Well, at least we won't have to debate whether Republicans value money over everything else.

Also don't ever want to hear from pro-life Republicans either.

Drama in the Mar-a-Lago neighborhood...

New Yorkers 18 to 44 make up bulk of coronavirus cases

Those residents accounted for 46 percent of the 12,339 cases as of Monday morning, according to the city Department of Health. Just 40 percent of the city’s population is between those ages.

The next-highest concentration of cases is people ages 45 to 64 at 33 percent, followed by ages 65 to 74 at 11 percent, 75 and over at 8 percent and ages 0 to 17 at 3 percent.

Experts have said the elderly and people with pre-existing conditions are at the greatest risk of dying from the coronavirus. Officials have said those groups should be prioritized for testing.

As of Sunday morning, 34 of the city’s 63 deaths from the coronavirus were patients over age 75. The remaining 29 were between ages 45 and 74. Men accounted for 43 of the fatalities while women made up the other 20.

Reps for the city Health Department did not immediately return messages seeking comment. On Friday, the city health commissioner, Dr. Oxiris Barbot, said it’s premature to draw conclusions about the data showing that confirmed cases skew toward middle-aged people.

“I think it’s too early in the outbreak to make any informed opinions about what that might be,” she said.

“But it does sort of draw attention to the fact as we have said in the past, that we are encouraging those in that age group who are not symptomatic, not to be tested, and that we are encouraging folks who are mildly symptomatic to remain home.

“You know, I know that recently there have been reports where worldwide, it seems like men have worse outcomes than women. Again, I think it’s premature to make any sort of inferences on what that might mean because especially here in New York City, we’re only at the very, very, very beginning of this outbreak. And while for example, places like Italy, you may see that disparity, in places like Korea it’s a 50-50 split. So, I think it’s too early to tell,” Barbot said.

Monday also saw the lowest number of new cases since March 18 even as total cases continued to rise, perhaps because testing is restricted due to shortages of medical supplies like gloves and masks and is reserved for vulnerable people.

Maybe Americans would take social distancing more seriously if we didn't have a president who ignored, downplay and outright lie about the corona virus?

Watch, he'll cite Americans not taking social distancing seriously and not working as one reason to change course. Of course not acknowledging his shitshow was a major contribution to the "failure."

He is already done that R552.

Don’t they understand that when 70% of the population is too sick to leave their beds that the economy will come crashing down anyway? Does trump want videos of people dying in the streets to be used against him in November?

[italic]After endless hours of soul searching, I sadly announce, with an abundance of caution, the cancellation of my highly anticipated vacation to the United States to visit Myrtle Beach and Disneyland.

Meanwhile in France

Guardian-The latest coronavirus figures in France were announced by health minister Olivier Véran on Monday evening, Kim Willsher, the Guardian’s correspondent in Paris, reports.

France now has 19,856 confirmed cases of coronavirus, 3,176 more than the previous day, and the death toll from the virus has reached 860, a jump of 186 in 24 hours.

There are 8,675 people in hospital with the virus, of whom 2,080 are in intensive care.

Wow - AFK for a little while and all hell breaks loose.

- To the poster who admitted to being fat. Don't do again. We are all in great shape, eat healthy and look 25 years old. Please observe the social norms of Datalounge.

- r497 I think states joining together as a negotiating tactic, if possible, is a great idea. Humiliating for Trump.

- Regarding fatality of the illness - most people under 45 will probably be fine. From there, it get worse, the older you get. The steep rise in mortality begins around early 50s. And it gets progressively steeper after that.

- It appears that men are more likely to die than women, in New York per Mark D. Levine (public health official)

Gender breakdown (based on deaths in NYC as of Sat) * Female 32%

* Male 68%

- r503 [quote]That feels like one step away from secession, Trump would send in the troops to crush the rebellion.

As Rick said to the Nazis in [italic]Casablanca[/italic] "There are parts of New York I wouldn't advise you to invade"

-r516 [quote]Florida is a shit hole with all of the worst aspects of Americans combined into one state. Corona can have it. Hopefully it takes Mar a Lago down as well.

Despite bad behavior, Florida got all the supplies it requested. Don't mistake malice for incompetence. He's purposely withholding aid from the big blue states - NY, Cali, Illinois.

Well - if he does reverse course on social distancing, it is guaranteed to roar back and he will be forced to reverse again. Not that I think anything gets through to his base, but at least the 53% approval rating should decrease. How much clearer can it be that he is failing.

Oh Darfur Orphan at R555

Is it no longer Myrtle Beach time??

Jake Tapper just talking about the emerging idea: is there a way to fight the virus and get people back to work?

This idea is so wrongheaded to me. I understand the suffering but.... I just think it’s idiocy to even raise the spectre of it this early in the process.

Did the White House hold a press conference yet? I decided to bake.

People who have antibodies to it could go back to work conceivably. Better than exposing all of these poor cashiers to it - who may be at risk of contracting it.

[quote] [bold] Outside the doctors and public health experts, [/bold] nearly all of the President's senior advisers are eager to relax the nationwide guidelines to begin reopening the economy. "I don't know anybody in the building who is arguing that we should keep going the way we're going," one senior White House official said. "Everybody here is pulling in the same direction."

Why the fuck are we allowing this bunch of sycophants and morons making these calls. This is why we’re screwed. The doctors and scientists know how to end this — extreme lockdown. It would be over in a matter of weeks. Instead, we are going to botch this several times over and make the whole thing an even worse disaster than it already is. 😡😡😡😡

The cashier at my supermarket wears mask. People are staying 6 feet apart in lines to pay.

I have not gone to whole foods. It's probably too packed and I don't want to risk it.

R561 well to see who has antibodies requires testing, and we see how well that's working out

Yeah, everyone at the WH are idiots but yeah, let's go with their collective gut feeling on this one.

Not feasible, but the blue states go their way and red states with reasonable governors can follow suit. The remaining red states can go back to doing whatever it is that they were doing before. Let's see how well their state health systems deal with a tsunami of sick people. And they can't ask the feds for help and if they do, the POTUS can tell them he's not a shipping clerk.

R565> Yep!

I love watching Manchin stick it to Yertle.

Is it time for a 24?

Turtle was furious today. It’s been a while since he didn’t get his way.

Glorious.

A 13-year-old girl died of coronavirus in Panama

From Stefano Pozzebon in Bogota and CNN's Jackie Castillo in Atlanta

Panama's health ministry confirmed Monday the death of 13-year-old girl due to coronavirus.

According to a statement from the ministry, the girl and a 92-year-old man are the latest patients to die from the virus.

Panama has reported at least 313 cases and three deaths as a result of the coronavirus outbreak, according to Johns Hopkins University.

He’s being an especially bad man these days.

I cannot believe he has that much faith in markets. What a fucking fool.

3 doctors die of coronavirus in France

From Barbara Wojazer in Paris and Lindsay Isaac in London

Three doctors who had contracted coronavirus have died, the French National Health Agency said in a statement on Monday.

The doctors were all from the Grand Est region in northeast France. The victims include a general practitioner in Moselle, an obstetrician-gynecologist in Mulhouse and another general practitioner in Colmar.

On Sunday, France reported its first doctor had died of coronavirus.

In all, 490 medical staffers in the Parisian region have contracted coronavirus, a spokesperson for the Public Hospitals of Paris told CNN. The spokesperson added that 32% of them are doctors and 15% of them are nurses. Three of the patients are in intensive care.

New York City has more than 12,000 coronavirus cases

From CNN’s Mark Morales

New York City is now reporting at least 12,339 cases of coronavirus and 99 deaths.

There are at least 20,909 cases and at least 157 deaths in New York state.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pause mortgages for property owners as long as they don’t evict tenants

From CNN’s Anneken Tappe

The US Federal Housing Finance Agency is working to protect renters in multi-family properties during the coronavirus pandemic and its effects on the US economy.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will grant owners of multi-family properties who are "negatively affected by the coronavirus national emergency" forbearance of mortgage payments — as long as they don't evict renters who are unable to pay because of the coronavirus impact.

“Renters should not have to worry about being evicted from their home, and property owners should not have to worry about losing their building, due to the coronavirus," said FHFA director Mark Calabria in a statement.

Major news from India. Something big is happening there just as many had feared.

Guardian-India has announced that it is stopping domestic flights and said the majority of the country was under complete lockdown, Reuters news agency reports: India has reported 471 cases of coronavirus, but health experts have said that a big jump could be imminent, which would overwhelm the underfunded and crumbling public health infrastructure.

69 drugs that might work.

Boris Johnson will address the UK in about forty minutes. I think we're going into lockdown. I miss the days when Theresa May kept making pointless Brexit-related announcements.

R576, is Descovy on the list?

Even Boris is going into lockdown, but Trump wants everyone to go back to work and take your chances....sigh

I’m going to make a 24 and it’s going to have a Gone with the Wind theme.

What is a “24”?

24th thread dumb cunt.

Thread. The next one after this is full.

Thread 24.

Coronavirus Freakout 24: Gone with the Wheeze

WH briefing at 5:30 PM today.

What a fucking stupid title R584.

Please include a poll!

Wow, R582. So angry. It was a simple overlook.

Why don’t you go outside and find someone cough and cum on you.

It’s here

Another fucking stupid title R589.

If you cunts have nothing better to do than complain about the titles, then we should just name it "part 24, part 25" etc.

Just looking for a little bit of creativity R591.

I don’t know why this surprised me. Couple drank fish tank cleaner because one of the ingredients in it might stop the virus.

CNN- US stocks ended in the red on Monday, after the Senate failed for a second time to vote through the coronavirus economic relief package.

A slew of new stimulus measures from the Federal Reserve provided a boost to premarket trading, but it didn’t help stocks end the regular trading day higher.

The Dow finished down 3%, or 583 points. The S&P 500 closed down 2.9%. The index has now erased all of the gains accumulated under the Trump administration. The Nasdaq Composite finished 0.3% lower.

R593... Eeeeek! I would never do that. Ingest fish tank cleaner. Just no.

But do you think that inhaling poppers would kill any corona virus in your nasal passages and lungs?

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