Coronavirus Freakout 18: The Lung and the Breathless

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Thank you OP. Stay safe everyone.

Practice social distancing...

What’s with all this being afraid to go out? Are you all pussies? I went to the Olive Garden last night and it was packed! I enjoyed a decilous meal with all my friends becuaes this is America and I’ll do what I want!

I'm much calmer now than I have been in a month.

Yes, it's boring being trapped at home but this means the virus will be controlled. The danger was always that too many people would get sick at once and normal life wouldn't be able to continue.

Now we just wait, and I'm reassured that all will be well.

I'd like this man to be my COVID-19 doctor!

I just got an email from work saying that we are expected to be there tomorrow for "continuity of services". Lyft is offering rides at 50% off, that may be a better idea than the bus.

Katie Porter said drive-by testing will increase this week. So far it's happening in New Rochelle and soon in California. She said we're still way behind on testing. She intends to hold the CDC director to his word

again nothing has really changed since the Senate hasn't voted on the House bill

Is NY Jacks open today?

My level went up hearing about a lockdown from Fauci. Airports will probably be next to close. Worried about martial law.

New cases are popping up too often and too randomly not to be widespread by now. Anyone anywhere can catch the 2019-nCoV on any outing in public. Stay holed up in your homes!

a lot of dumbasses went out for St. Patrick's Day drunken foolery last night

CNN-Health care, consumer industry groups raise concerns about potential supply shortages

Over the past several days and weeks, health care and consumer industry groups and even federal agencies have sounded the alarm that the US may face major problems in keeping basic medical, food and retail supplies available during the coronavirus pandemic.

On Sunday, the group representing food and retail companies like Clorox, Procter & Gamble and PepsiCo told the State Department and the US Trade Representative they fear other countries cutting off exports to the US, which could exacerbate the public health emergency.

The group is particularly concerned about countries restricting chemicals, ingredients and products they manufacture from getting to the US.

For instance, India, a major drug ingredient supplier, has already limited exports of medications like acetaminophen, a common painkiller used for flu-like symptoms, and Germany has banned the export of protective equipment like masks, gloves and suits used by health care professionals.

President Trump also planned to speak to grocery, food and beverage corporate leaders on Sunday about supply chain concerns, including the Consumer Brand Association's head and major grocery chain CEOs.

Eric Garcetti on CNN right now. They should ask him about the homeless and Coronavirus and why he hasn't done a damn thing.

R13 There isn't much they can do. What would you do?

Great thread title. I needed a laugh.

R13 nice repub talking point

that's like asking repubs in red states about coronavirus in the poorest rural areas

CNN-italy announces 368 more deaths in last 24 hours due to coronavirus.

On TV right now.

What's CNN Correspondent Scott McLean's story?

oh ffs

2 ER docs in critical coved 19 one in ground zero Kirkland wa in his 40s

Mother Fauci really earned her Trump racing stripes today. No real news about testing, much to my horror.

I think this is what R20 is referring to.

Two ER Doctors Test Positive For COVID-19

I've been social distancing for years.

R23 LOL

when pop music thot Ariana Grande is a better communicator on the severity of this global health crisis than the current president of the United States. .... we are well and truly fucked.

There's been non stop partying since Friday afternoon when the local colleges shit down. The bars were also packed Friday and Saturday night. So much for an "abundance of caution & social distancing."

btw: There's a crappy copy of 'Contagion' available on YouTube, probably for a limited time.

[quote]I've been social distancing for years.

And all this time I thought I wasn't hot.

Has anyone watched the docu-series "Pandemic" on Netflix? I watched the first two episodes. Scary and fascinating.

I just realized how many times I touch my face in a day.

Sharon Stone has worked with all of these doctors for decades and says they know their business.

Stay Safe With LOVE!!!

People were complaining about the lack of any checks when they come through airports and now when they are checking, people are freaking out. Just fucking stay home

We would have been better off if this thing only killed people between 18 and 25 years of age. Fucking morons partying all weekend.

Found some plastic gloves at Sally Beauty supply!

Somebody screen cap R31 because some day we're going to get back to discussing celebs without makeup and shit.

Something Up ...... We just had real milk, Breyer's ice cream, and Keebler Cookies for our afternoon snack.

Why do I feel like [italic] Dead Man Walking ?

Why haven't they shut down airline flights completely? If you are an American and decided to just now come back to America, too fucking bad. You're a fucking moron who we are better off without anyway. They should shut down all flights all over the world. They should have done that a month ago and we wouldn't be in this situation.

The numbers in Italy, France, and Spain, while alarming, are clearly in the highest upswing portion of the curve. The most vulnerable people are dying in droves. They are where China was a month ago. It will slow over the next two weeks. One of the reasons it is showing up in younger people at higher numbers now is simply that all the old people have already been diagnosed or died, so the age curve is going down concerning new infection rates.

When the numbers in Italy, France, Spain, etc. start to level out is when our numbers in America will be skyrocketing (if the stupid fucks can figure out how to test people). Everything that is shut down until April 1st right now will be ordered shut down until May 1st by that time.

We'd be better off right now if we just shot on sight every single person going out partying for St. Patrick's day. Not only would it help contain the virus but it would kill off the stupidest among us. Win win.

Update for France

Guardian-France death toll hits 127 France’s Public Health Authority on Sunday reported there are 36 new deaths from coronavirus, taking the total to 127, and said there had been an increase of more than 1,000 cases.The updated figure follows confirmation earlier on Sunday that the death toll had risen from 91 to 120. The number of cases had risen to 5,423 cases, up from 4,449 on Saturday.

Dr. Sharon Stone LOL

That’s Sharon Stone? I thought it was Alicia Silverstone.

From thread 17 what might well be the winner (and lay to rest the drivel) for thread title 19:

"For the next thread, might I humbly suggest

😷 March Madness !"

Ariana Grande has been social distancing from Frankie.

I can usually stay at home for an entire week and be happy as a clam. But just knowing that I have to do it makes me go stir crazy. I suddenly feel the urge to go out and do all kinds of things that I neither need nor want to do. I get the same way during snowstorms when I'm shut in. It's funny how the mind works.

Harbor Freight Tools has boxes of rubber gloves.

GERM IS A 4-LETTER WORD.

Watching W5 profile of Dr. Bruce Aylward, Canadian physician and epidemiologist by training and coordinator at WHO in Geneva. Interview Highlights:

- The vast majority of people in the world will become infected

- We've had weeks to prepare for this and there's still gaps in the response

- There are 30 year olds, 40 year olds, 50 year olds who will die, big gap in our knowledge

- No vaccine for this wave

- The Wayne Gretzy of viruses, not the fastest - virus finds the susceptibles

- Panicking not going to help

- Be concerned, be preprared, there's so much you can do to be prepared

- If you delay (shutdown of public events, taking economic hit, etc), you're going to end up with thousands of cases, and they're going to be sick for days, weeks

- I just hope they take action and avoid what damage this virus is capable of

- Talking about Wuhan - the world needs to learn from China - reversing course of outbreak by building Covid hospital

- Make sure people are educated, shut down events that are amplifying this

- Learn from SARS

- Canada has been preparing for this for decades

- Better track record than a lot of other countries

- Travel bans, virus is going to move anyway. Travel bans give you very false sense of security, will not prevent spread

- This is a respiratory illness - it moves very fast

- There's no such thing as zero risk, but you can reduce risk

- Going to see waves of this, seasons, comes back under control until there s more immunity in the world

- Another scenario, clusters

- It is a controllable disease, it can be contained but need to take action early

- We've changed our relationship to nature, jumped from animal to human, happening more and more frequently, climate change, all these things are adding up

- This virus is teaching us you never know everything

Trump's annoyed everyone is talking about coronavirus, so... Look over here!

President Donald Trump tweeted Sunday that he is "strongly considering" a full pardon for former national security adviser Michael Flynn.

Illinois just ordered bars n restaurants to close

Illinois just ordered bars n restaurants to close

^ takeout allowed

R48, you want to bet someone files a lawsuit saying he doesn't have the authority? Fucking asshole country.

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THR: Moviegoers Defiant Amid Coronavirus Pandemic:

^^^Best in the World!^^

[quote]Illinois just ordered bars n restaurants to close

Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker says: “I tried earlier this week to appeal to everybody’s good judgment...the time for persuasion and public appeals is over ... this is not a joke.”

Pence about to announce "new measures" - CNN reporting.

Has Kellyanne been heard from since she snippily asked a reporter “Are you saying it’s not contained?”

[quote]“One pastor said half of his church is ready to lick the floor, to prove there’s no actual virus,” said King, lead pastor at Second Baptist church in Conway, Ark.

Maybe this will favor Deplorables.

Why aren’t the news outlets speaking of the 29 yr old doc who someone upthread said died overnight per the NYT p?

13 mins to WH briefing task force w/Pence

We just ticked up from 36 to 37 infected in Ohio. A firefighter in Columbus tested positive this afternoon.

R59 National news (CNN, MSNBC etc) are doing a shitty job of reporting, their biggest motivation is RATINGS. The best coverage is in local papers (which are being decimated, closing down and laying off staff right and left.)

Miami Herald: Despite a positive COVID-19 test from a passenger who had disembarked days earlier, thousands of people were allowed to leave a cruise ship in Miami Sunday without undergoing medical screening.

^^Thank goodness cruise ships aren't a known vector of transmission.

[quote] Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker says: “I tried earlier this week to appeal to everybody’s good judgment...the time for persuasion and public appeals is over ... this is not a joke.”

... so as your Party Overlord and Fat Emperor, you close your businesses and stay home under threat of force!

All NY covid 19 deaths are elderly..I just checked so that 29 yr old someone posted was B.S.

While I don't believe I have the coronavirus I do have a cough and am self quarantining.

This going to bad news. I can’t stand listening to Pence even more so than Rump

Is going to be bad. Europe is bad because a lot of Asians travel there. Don’t they travel a lot to China also?

Turned off msnbc - I will wait for recap of the bs.

Mayor Bill de Blasio — facing a coup from parents and teachers over his refusal to close city schools amid the coronavirus –has finally succumbed to the mounting pressure and agreed to shut them down, well-placed sources told The Post on Sunday.

The closure will occur early in the week, a source added. Gov. Cuomo told 1010 WINS radio that “all schools in downstate New York will be closing,” specifically adding Tuesday or Wednesday.

I meant don’t a lot of Asians also travel to to the US?

Thank Christ.

Officials with the Diocese of Brooklyn — which also covers Queens — said the worshiper at Incarnation Roman Catholic Church in Queens Village confirmed to have the deadly bug attended Mass their last Sunday, prompting “a deep cleaning and sanitization” at the church this weekend.

The diocese announced it was halting services at its 186 parishes as a result.

That decision came a day after the Archdiocese of New York covering Manhattan, the Bronx, Staten Island and some northern counties canceled Sunday Mass — including at the iconic St. Patrick’s Cathedral — over coronavirus concerns.

[quote]Illinois just ordered bars and restaurants to close

[quote]Illinois Gov. JB Pritzker says: “I tried earlier this week to appeal to everybody’s good judgment...the time for persuasion and public appeals is over ... this is not a joke.”

This after Twitter was flooded last night with pics of Chicago bars and streets mobbed with St. Patrick’s Day revelers.

Pence trying to do another PR move to dispel perception of disorder (airport screenings, test kits, etc)

What about drive-thru?

CNN: The Fed Reserve will slash interest rates to zero.

A Colorado nurse says her bout of coronavirus started with the “sniffles” — but soon involved nightmarish symptoms that were “nothing” like what she expected, according to a report.

Lisa Merck of Crested Butte said she tested positive for the virus after a vacation to Hawaii, where she attended a medical conference, news station KDVR reported.

“We went to a medical conference over there and on the day we were going to leave, I had little sniffles. That’s it,” Merck said.

On the plane ride, Merck began to experience aches on the left side of her body, and then her health worsened once she got home, the outlet reported.

“We got back and my muscles ached, my bones ached and my joints ached really bad,” Merck said. “It felt like someone was stabbing me with an ice pick and I was like, ‘I wonder if I have the flu.'”

Her health eventually deteriorated to the point where she headed to the emergency room.

“I felt really short of breath, I felt very fatigued,” she told the outlet. “Finally, on Sunday night, I told my husband, ‘I need you take me to the ER. I don’t feel well whenever I stand, I feel like I’m going to faint.’”

She was ultimately was tested for the virus and the results came back positive last week.

She told the outlet she has lost five pounds due to nausea, and has suffered muscle aches.

Though she’s in the medical field, Merck said she never anticipated the serious symptoms that she experienced throughout the ordeal.

“It’s nothing like I expected,” Merck told KDVR.

Merck said she’s “definitely getting healthier” but won’t return to public life until she’s cleared on two tests 24 hours apart.

The US has reported coronavirus cases in every state except West Virginia as more than 3,100 people have been infected with the virus.

That's a stupid move by the Fed. They're blowing all their ammunition. They should just let the economy contract a bit like it wants to. It's been kept artificially inflated for too long.

LVMH to make disinfectant gels to aid French coronavirus fight

PARIS – Louis Vuitton owner LVMH (LVMH.PA) said on Sunday that its cosmetics unit would manufacture large quantities of hand disinfectant gel to help stave off a nationwide shortage across France as the coronavirus rapidly spreads.

“LVMH will use the production lines of its perfume and cosmetic brands … to produce large quantities of hydroalcoholic gels from Monday,” LVMH said in a statement.

“These gels will be delivered free of charge to the health authorities,” LVMH added.

Is this another move to assist Wall Street? What about the health of Americans?

Distressing account of what's happening in Seattle:

Uh Oh Military personnel....

WSJ:

Fed Slashes Rates to Fight Coronavirus Slowdown

Trump now: “Congratulating the Federal Reserve.”

Is Powell just another Trump lackey?

Typically, Trump starts off talking about the financial implications of this crisis. People are worried they're going to die, numbnuts.

Who are these military personnel?

Brian Tyler Cohen:

Democrat DESTROYS Trump in MUST-WATCH speech over botched handling

Now talking about FAKE NEWS.

And “Just got off the phone with the BIGGEST AND BEST COMPANIES.”

R77, not to worry, McDonalds and Taco Bell are still open.

Holy shit this fucking sociopath

"We're gonna all be great! We're gonna be so good!"

Are we watching this Trump press conference?!? Disaster! So scary. Saying fake news for people criticizing him, talking about US being “greatest economy” “doing best”. Trying to do his usual pep talk stuff. Rambling and way off. This is bad,

Now bragging about the Dow rising 2000 points during his last speech. And how GREAT everything is and how much people are BUYING.

“We have no shortages” - dear God.

How is he actually wasting the country’s time on this bullshit?? Oh my god

I’ve honestly never wanted someone to die more in my life. Holy fuck.

Incompetence personified. If Trumptards don’t get that he is failing and dangerous after this, it’s hopeless. Almost cause for a revolution/ military overthrow to insert competent leadership.

He’s reading off his index cards like a third-grader just learning to read. Then rambles and ad-libs after every line. “You see what’s happening...”

Again with the “young healthy people NOT being affected.”

R98, I want him to SUFFER first and have his nose pushed into shit like people do with dogs who’ve crapped on their new carpets.

Highlights of Trump Press Conference:

- You don't have to buy so much, take it easy, relax

- When this passes, you're going to see numbers, pent up demand

- Stores are stocking up at a level that is beyond Christmas time

- Using full power of federal government to fight the virus

- Phenomenal people, working around the clock and they're doing an incredible job

- It's a very contagious virus, it's incredible, but we have tremendous control over

- Federal Reserve, it's a tremendous thing that just happened right now

- Thank you very much

Does he even understand the words he is saying? “Groups of people are not affected...”

Dr. Brix, Blix, whatever her name is... is staring at him with a mix of pity and froideur... she was a big head nodder, today she will barely react.

This sociopath just did a victory lap. Thinks he’s WINNING.

[quote]Incompetence personified. If Trumptards don’t get that he is failing and dangerous after this, it’s hopeless.

SPOILER ALERT:

It's hopeless.

I bet the market craters tomorrow. To cut to zero at this point... not sure what message that sends.

There is no demand. We are being told to stay home. Who needs to borrow money?

[quote]CNN: The Fed Reserve will slash interest rates to zero.

Well, that's incredibly stupid. It means the Fed will have very little left in its toolbox to help the economy as it continues to fall into recession, if not outright depression. I'm sure Trump has been pressuring the Fed to do this in an attempt to help his reelection chances.

Adding to the previous thread post r586,

'Two Fears In A Bucket; Motherfuck It!'

Lady Chablis

R102, I feel like I died a little at every one of those lines. I don't have to wait for Covid-19 to grind my lungs to pulp, I'm already dead.

Having seasonal allergies and anxiety is such a fun combo right now.

They are standing too close together.

[quote]To cut to zero at this point... not sure what message that sends.

It sends a message of PANIC.

Yeah - rates at zero is stupid. Nothing you can do to stop the fall now. Sell now.

Former MSNBC analyst/hot daddy Daniel Goldman is poz!

He's desperate for the stock market not to tank, but could care less about the health of the nation.

"Stores are stocking up at a level that is beyond Christmas time"

Yea!!! Christmas toilet paper, fuck yeah.

What does zero interest rate even mean? You can just get money for free? Where do I sign up?

Pence: “Everything is GREAT, don’t worry! LOTS of tests available! Trump is the BEST!”

R11, I just re-watched the 'Extra Credit' series on the Spanish Flu Pandemic, because I like to torture myself, I guess.

Sorry, meant that for R111.

Does anybody know when Starbucks starts offering their pumpkin spice lattes? I can't wait!

These people are NOT standing 6 feet apart.

Even Deplorables have to be offended by the focus on the stock market rather than people’s health. It’s like he was in an alternative reality - only focused on the market not on people dying. An hourly worker who isn’t getting paid doesn’t give a damn about the Fed rate - and shouldn’t.

Yes, R118, that's exactly what it means, although you have to be a bank to get that rate. The rest of us will get whatever rate those banks choose to charge.

I'm about a week away from swallowing the reserve of xanax I've been stockpiling. This is scaring me too much, and knowing there is NO ONE at the helm tells me there's no reason to hang around to watch it get worse.

Remember Trump has routinely publicly bashed the Fed Reserve chair when the numbers start to look bad. He probably just caved into Trump demanding he slash the interest rates

the problem is they're already so low this won't really help and as others said they'll have nothing left in the toolkit as the economy and stock market continue to decline

it's pathetic how wimpy the enablers around Trump are from the Fed Chair to the Surgeon _General

CNN: Trump claims 'total control' over virus.

I actually laughed.

R124 Well, they could justify that the stock market is where a lot of people's retirement fund is. But of course, if you're dead, you'll never see retirement.

Unfortunately this means the next Great Depression is right at our doorstep

Someone is coughing in the press room. They needed to cough on Trump while he was still there.

The US economy has been entirely propped up by consumer spending for the last 4 years. Now that no one will be consuming for the immediate future, the eoncomy is going to be a shit show.

If the virus continues for the rest of the year, we are going to experience the Great Depression that our grandparents talked about.

Is there any point in creating an Anxiety Attack thread? I'm having one right now. I don't know why particularly.

I couldn't find tissues or toilet roll at any supermarkets earlier today (I'm in the UK). There was a sign asking people to be considerate in their purchase of sanitation products, pain relief medication, etc. The shelves surrounding the sign were completely empty.

I'm having trouble finding reasons not to just OD.

I'm fucking terrified. When is Italy going to peak? What the fuck. If I could at least hear that there aren't 1,000 new cases in Italy every day, I'd feel a tiny bit better.

Please don’t OD. Trump should never be a trigger for that.

WTF with people and toilet paper? Is that there greatest fear? Weird

Listen, if people had the strength to make it through the Black Death, you have the strength to make it through this. Pull yourselves together!

It's the fear of missing out (FOMO).

Agree, Sylvia.

One thing I think the media is failing at - not intentionally - is how they characterize this. Yes, Italy is awash with it and the death rate is daunting. But is it? Or as a percentage of the total infected, is it within the accepted range? This horse race reporting is not helpful in my view. There's no context to the numbers.

Yeah, but....

R133, Your anxiety may be due to the fact that most of us were clinging to hope that someone in charge would do the right thing and put the breaks on the Idiot in Chief.

Now we see that is not happening. You are understandably anxious. Stay home, everyone. Just stay home.

California

Brakes!

I'm pouring a Macallan.

where are people gonna eat? this is really messed up.

Guardian is reporting that NYC will close schools

Here's the warning: We are going to see A SPIKE.

Over 3000 new cases in the US in 2 weeks.

Almost 700 new cases in the US in 24 hours.

This is getting worse by the day!

Are people afraid to have dirty asses? Straight men have been doing that for years

Tony Fauci: "The worst is yet to come for us."

R149, are you the straight guy scat troll?

Contradicting the boss there, Dr. Fauci.

No. I just don’t understand why people are so freaking out and hoarding toilet paper

R152: Someone needs to!

These people remind me of a meeting of a rumored factory will be closing they gather everyone together upper management tells them everything will be okay. The factory closes the next day.

I really dont like the shawl lady. What has everyone only been eating? Pizza? Doughnuts!

WaPo comment: I'm betting that Jared will be put in charge of depression recovery.

California telling everyone 65 and over to stay at home

R126, MARY!

Read some of the other threads not on the coronavirus. This isn't the end of civilization, unless the virus mutates and starts turning everyone into the living dead, perpetually hungry and ever-consuming.

That means YOU, Betty White!

What was Rump talking about fake news and what was the piece of paper he had and said do it with it what you want. Is anything that is said about him fake news?

Why hasn't Jared FIXED THIS yet!!!

And here you have Trump's answer to every problem or crisis. Throw money at it and it will go away. This ignorant, cretinous wretch has now painted us into a corner and there is no way out. The fed has no cushion left and the virus effect on this economy hasn't reached anywhere near the apex yet, and won't for several more months. The truly amazing thing is, this fool brow beat the fed and the fed caved. Rather than let the "taskforce" speak about the issue at hand, the orange wretch comes out and brags about how happy he is that the fed cut the rate to near zero. Over 3,500 now test positive for this virus and more than 60 are dead. People are dying and this fool tells us it's under control, but don't worry, the market will be fine.

The 25th Amendment was written for a reason. Donald J. Trump is the reason. Get this immoral freak out of the White House.

WaPo comment ^^^^^

Given how high the death toll in Italy now is, I'm sceptical of the figures reported by China when the virus peaked there.

Love that he is doing his best to distance himself from the whole thing. Trying to dump blame on others whenever possible. Wonder if it will work this time. He couldn’t get off the stage fast enough - for a change.

You know, herd immunity is just a hoity-toity way of saying "it's just like a flu", right?

R164 China went into a total lockdown and were able to build two hospitals and send thousands of doctors to Wuhan. People in Italy are dying because the hospitals are overrun and doctors are forced to let people die.

“Relax, we’re doing great“ is the new “Mission Accomplished”

all those talking about suicide Just STOP IT. If you did that then Trump wins. One more thing for him to smirk about.

For those that keep hoping Trump will step up to the plate. STOP IT. Trump is Trump and will never be different. it is the same thing every time and for some reason you expect a different result from him. He is not capable.

There are people stepping up. Most of the governors of the states have been doing a great job. If you don't think it is enough, call them.

Is there a Recovery Plan like in Australia?

The market looks bad. Going down. Dow is 800 down. S & P down 110.

I bet the 7000 and 13000 circuits are tripped tomorrow.

Can't wait for SNL this week.

The Fed cutting the rates this much will indicate to traders that something far more horrible is coming and the markets should crash.

Sorry, 7% and 13%. I'm distracted.

Uh oh.

Patient Zero:

R173, I was thinking about SNL just the other day, specifically if there's any chance they'll just say fuck it and cancel the rest of this season. If not, depending on how long this all lasts, perhaps they can crank out a few new episodes in May.

Worried that we are indeed heading for a depression

Just got back from the supermarket. Happy to report they had all the essentials - tonic water, Doritos and frosting. Cuddling up with my Facts of Life box set for the next few days to take some good with this bad.

NYC has 326 cases and 5 deaths.

Gavin Newsom tells all CA residents over 65 years of age and all those with chronic conditions to isolate at home.

Trump has ballooned the deficit, is pushing the Fed to use negative interest rates (so banks get paid by the government to borrow money), and has destroyed future income by slashing taxes to the wealthy and huge businesses. And has been talking about cutting entitlements as a way to reduce federal spending. The only reason the country hasn't been in a recession yet is because the tax cuts kept it artificially booming, at the cost of future growth. It's all short-sighted maneuvers used by Republicans and a Democrat will, as usual, have to fix it.

R161, Jared's still busy solving that whole middle-east thing, I think.

R35) She looks great without makeup - a truly beautiful woman. And I am fairly certain she is the same age as Madonna.

Heidi Klum has posted she cannot find toilet paper

R186

How much toilet paper does one need to clean up Tic Tac poop?

R187 apparently women stuff it up their vaginas to keep from peeing everywhere. According to an earlier poster. Heidi's just cheap and should buy tampons if she's that incontinent.

Sharon turned 62 last week, which Madonna turns in August.

R184 yeah he's doing a bang up job of that

Is Madonna self-isolating??

What is wrong with Sharon's teeth?

Sneak peek at Ivanka Trump "Depression"Fashion Line - Spring / Summer 2020

I JUST WANT MILK for my coffee and cereal. I thought milk sales were down after Joaquin Phoenix told of the horrors during his Oscar speech. All the animal products, that vegans hate, are missing from the grocery stores. Plenty of vegetables and soy still available!

Heidi can use her stash of Vogue magazines and Victoria's Secret catalogues.

Interesting video showing the instances of Covid-19 around the world, and how they have changed over time.

Dow Futures down over 1,000 points

I Just had a shot of Oban myself R144.

My institution finally has limited tests running in house. We should have high through put by the end of the week. Multiple floors are being converted to isolation units for COVID-19 patients.

The infected NIH staff member is on the intramural side.

In regards to the interest rate issue, one of my brothers is a small business owner. He was looking at re-financing the mortgage on his store last week, but thought he’d hold off to see if rates went even lower. Today I spoke to him and the rates being offered to him are actually up. I told him that the banks are probably taking a high expected foreclosure rate into account now.

Dear R188

I know you’re gay and such, but I’m pretty sure women don’t pee out of their vaginas.

That is all.

Has DL Fave and sex object Paul Ryan commented on the Coronavirus yet?

Heidi is such an attention whore.

Trump trying to spin the unspinable... this should seal his fate

R200, that is not a flattering picture of Pauly.

Scenes from Stereophonics' gig last night in Cardiff. *headdesk*

[quote]When is Italy going to peak?

They’re still on the sharp upward phase of the curve, no peak in sight.

[quote]Has DL Fave and sex object Paul Ryan commented on the Coronavirus yet?

He's self isolating with Susan Dey.

Those damn Democrats sure as hell know how to pull off a major international hoax !

The New Yorker's Susan Glasser:

Dept of Take This Seriously:

Just received a message from an expert who says the situation is escalating such that US should impose total shutdown now for two weeks to flatten the curve. Essentially a full halt with an end in sight to try to get us off Italy’s path.

The fact that mortgage rates went up last week after rates went down is a good indication of how useless the Fed move is likely to be. The old easy tricks won’t work to fix this. Suffering is required. The only question is how much and how long. Should have saved the ammunition for the recovery period not the outset.

R204, that arena has a capacity of 5,000 people from what google tells me. I wonder how many contagious Covid-19 cases there are in the crowd?

R136 Here’s a graph of Italy’s curve to date.

[quote]The number of covid-19 cases in Italy is rising roughly 20 percent per day, nearing 25,000 total cases.

[quote]Newest data from government includes largest single daily death toll, 368. More than China ever had in a day.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MARCH 15 - 6:45 PM EST

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 169,175

DEATHS: 6,499

CRITICAL: 5,810

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 3,557

DEATHS: 68

CRITICAL: UNAVAILABLE

Did Dump address the massive fuck up he created at the airports with his imprudent travel ban?

Lol, someone posted on fb.

[Quote] Consider the redneck bidet if your town is out of tp.

No, R213. But Dr. Fauci laid the blame directly on the shoulders of all the American travellers flying home from UK. This afternoon, when interview on CNN, he stated that the American travelers chose the wrong time to fly.

I suspect a total lockdown except for essentials will happen this week.

Police in Mesa, Arizona were called to several stores with "unhappy customers."

How long before bed have rioting in the streets?

I guess all those returning Americans forgot to use their travel telepathy to see into the future.

r192, it appears that her two front teeth are caps, and the rest are hers, hence the color difference.

Last night I had a headache and a mucusy cough and was thinking, "Is this it? But it's a wet cough!". Then I realized I spent the day in my storage that had 7 years of dust, mice droppings, mold and lord knows what else- my landlord got a surprise building code visit and has to knock out all the old walls and put in new ones. So, allergies, thank the gods. The stupid contractor also did something weird with the hot water pipe to my kitchen, so I have to wash the dishes in my tub.

[quote]Yes, Italy is awash with it and the death rate is daunting. But is it? Or as a percentage of the total infected, is it within the accepted range?

The problem is the sudden influx of sick and dying people is overwhelming their health care system and the same thing is likely to happen when it hits here. Our for-profit health care system slashes surplus hospital beds because there’s no money to be made from empty beds. China was forced to build mobile hospitals in literally days to accommodate all its COVID-19 patients. There’s no move to gear up like that here and that’s the scary thing.

Also if you extrapolate Italy’s infection and death rates to our population the numbers are HUGE.

What about the immigrants? They are cramped together in small apts...This is gonna be tragic!

R220 And Trump’s response to all this is “Relax, we’re doing GREAT!”

329 cases in NYC.

78 cases in Queens

72 in Manhattan

53 in Brooklyn

16 in S.I.

21 in Bronx

via NY1.

☘️ All bars should be required to immediately to shut down for at least two weeks. We don't need massive hordes of drunken leprechauns hitting the streets on Tuesday, spreading their brand of good cheer and The Corona.

Was this posted already? Situation in Seattle

Thanks R219

I'm still waiting for someone to discuss the homeless and Corona.

Are the homeless immune to this virus?

Sometimes my mind wanders and I had a distracting, moderately amusing image of the White House residence staff too ill to work. Can you imagine Vairst Letty feeding the family?

Vairst Letty alvayz stryve to 🐝 Baste Kook.

I feel bad for those who need surgeries...but got cancelled due to this virus.

Stay healthy DLers, don't have a stroke or heart attack...you may not get quality care...heath care workers are over worked and stressed out...

[quote]looking at re-financing the mortgage on his store last week, but thought he’d hold off to see if rates went even lower. Today I spoke to him and the rates being offered to him are actually up.

That’s what I was told when I called about refinancing my mortgage last week. Even though 10-year bond rates are down a whole percentage point below my mortgage rate, banks are charging whatever they want. The spread between 10-year bond rates and mortgage interest rates is widening (they’re supposed to be tied to 10-year bond rates) but that doesn’t matter, apparently. Banks are doing whatever they want to do to protect their profits.

Well, that's terrifying, R225.

R227, I'm pretty sure the homeless are already on the "Let Die" list.

R230 many trans on Twitter that have had surgeries cancelled because of the health crisis are threatening suicide.

This is so pretty. The Italians just know how to live life, even if the face of adversity.

[quote] many trans on Twitter that have had surgeries cancelled because of the health crisis are threatening suicide.

Maybe it's a sign from the Lord?

"Let Die" list?

We don't even know how many are infected, and at what rate they are infecting others.

No place to call home, they continually walk among the nation's population, looking for a meal or a few bucks.

They love fast food restaurants, public restrooms, and public libraries.

The doom and gloomers, especially on reddit are getting out of control. According to them we’ll all be in mass graves by Friday.

Melanie and Trump have not been seen in several day’s. Kellyanne is also keeping a low profile after her last disastrous press outing.

Melanie and Ivanka MIA

R239 um...Trump was just seen at a live press conference. All full of himself and gloating about the interest rate cut he bullied the Fed chairman into making.

R237, like in Italy. Doctors don't have enough beds and equipment to treat everyone, so they have to make choices over who to save. The homeless are going to be way down the line if it comes to who gets life saving treatment and who doesn't.

Sorry meant Ivanka

from r225:

“But apparently the ARDS is not too severe, and they can manage people through that part of it.

Instead, after several days, the virus suddenly attacks the heart, causing it to precipitously fail. The myocarditis phase is savage and kills people within a day or two”

Someone on sm said for us to not freak out when the number of cases goes up this week.

[Quote] DON'T BE ALARMED when the US #Covid19 numbers skyrocket this week. It's because more tests are available, not because it's out of control. The mainstream media will use this to scare you and blame Donald J. Trump.

I can't with some of these people.

Wasn't Kelly Anne at one of Trump's social gatherings, schmoozing with the newly infected? She's probably in lockdown.

Conway's husband basically called Trump a colossal idiot a few days ago.

Has anyone seen him around lately?

I wonder if Starbucks is happy with its decision to let all and sundry use their restrooms now.

For those interested Katie Porter is going to be on MSNBC in a minute or two.

But apparently the ARDS is not too severe, and they can manage people through that part of it.

Instead, after several days, the virus suddenly attacks the heart, causing it to precipitously fail. The myocarditis phase is savage and kills people within a day or two. /11

R245, "Don't panic just because we're finding out that this virus is already everywhere and there's not we can do to stop it."

Hollywood Reporter: Lucian Grainge, the Chairman and CEO of Universal Music Group, has been hospitalized after being diagnosed with Covid-19

Grainge was at a party with music execs for his 60th birthday. Apple CEO Tim Cook was also present.

[quote]Melanie and Trump have not been seen in several day’s

R239, the plural of day is days.

An apostrophe is not used to make a word plural.

NO, Auto-Correct does NOT put the apostrophe in there against your will.

Fuck you.

Oh, yes they do !

Wow! Lucian Grainge is one of the most powerful men in the entertainment industry and is worth an estimated $40 billion.

[quote]But apparently the ARDS is not too severe, and they can manage people through that part of it. Instead, after several days, the virus suddenly attacks the heart, causing it to precipitously fail. The myocarditis phase is savage and kills people within a day or two

It would be nice if this came from a credible source, not second hand “my friend says” from some guy on Twitter.

AP: BREAKING: Government official: First dose to be delivered Monday in clinical trial for potential COVID-19 vaccine.

[quote]Wow! Lucian Grainge is one of the most powerful men in the entertainment industry and is worth an estimated $40 billion.

Not anymore.

Is the Italian/European strain deadlier than the Wuhan/Asian? Has this been discussed anywhere? Did the Asian strain mutated into a more lethal one when it landed in Europe?

Ivanka, working from home

Walmart, Costco, & Sam's Club Shoppers ........

[italic] Welcome To My World !

Through all this I'm surprised there weren't long lines at the gas station. I know we have an idiot here that posted their gascapades.

MSNBC: CDC recommends no gatherings of 50 people or more for the next eight weeks.

Wow. Does that mean people will be telecommute for eight weeks? My work is over 700 people

It's surreal to see the OnlyFans whores shilling on Twitter still.

The virus attacking the heart makes sense. It would explain why people with heart issues have a higher mortality rate than people with lung issues. And why people seem to be getting over it and then suddenly die.

Did they not think to say this during the press conference?

[quote]Does that mean people will be telecommute for eight weeks? My work is over 700 people

The recommendation does not apply to business or school.

Are people drinking at home?

Who is the man with butt implants?

This dude

AP:

Government official: Coronavirus vaccine trial starts Monday

Starbucks closing some high traffic stores and moving to a to go model for stores that remain open

This really has been an ides of March day 😷

on the ides of march, the tyrant was slain.

we still got 3 and a half hours

Maybe he was infected today by Mike Pence who refused testing

R265, which OnlyFans whore has his back to the camera? I need some diversion in these troubling times.

That new CDC guideline ....

I’m prepared, my immediate family is prepared, and most of my extended family have made preparations...and it seems like it won’t be enough when the economic devastation becomes manifest.

R277 see r271

R265 no handshakes just ass pounding

Much of my family are teachers. They have not isolated this weekend. I think they have been in denial because they have been stuck in school in the worst possible transmission environment and couldn’t escape. Now with school cancelled they went out and did social things - I think partially in celebration and partially because they figure they already have been exposed. I’m in deep self isolation - in part to avoid them.

R262, I went to the gas station at about 6:30 am on Saturday and there were already people there. Same at Costco at 6:45. People were there before they opened.

You have to figure that people need gas when they’re going from place to place looking for toilet paper or whatever. So they’re going to be using more gas than usual.

I can’t imagine being one of those people, looking for t.p. after they had a month or more warning, to stock up. Reddit is full of stories of people begging their elderly, sick, frail parents with one foot in the grave to stock up weeks ago. Lots of them refused. One guy said he would buy extra stuff for his dad every hurricane season and every time his dad would scoff. He said he’s on his own this time, because he’s spent weeks ridiculing his son for stocking up. Apparently lots of old people like to go to the market every week and don’t buy any extra.

For the poster who called my post about this article bullshit.

The UK had 319 cases last Monday and ten deaths. It did nothing to contain the disease and people spent the week going to race meetings (1m at Cheltenham Races), premiership football matches and rugby matches. All unis and schools still open. Planes from Italy still landing and passengers not being vetted.

Now we're on Sunday, six days later, and we have 1330 cases and 35 deaths. This is what happens when the spazzy Brits apply Blitz Spirit to a pandemic. As yet, the government still haven't cancelled a single event.

What killed this thread?

23 minutes is a lifetime!

The debate R286.

The debate.

I feel like I owe the DL, yes the DL and this very thread, a tremendous amount of gratitude. I am 39, about to be 40 this month, and never eat at home. I kept reading these threads with fascination along with the news. 3 weeks ago, per the DL, I silently stocked a few weeks of goods, TP, water, canned foods etc. By reading these threads, I felt like I was mentally prepared for this week, where as a lot of my friends are now just coming to grips with it now and they are panicking.

Everything in LA is cleaned out since mid week. I wish I had done a bigger regular grocery shop my last time at TJ's. I think that was the one thing I didn't expect was for everything to change overnight so suddenly. The minute the WHO announced the pandemic, that was when shit got real here. I actually have a few N95 masks and got boxes of these black latex gloves that will hopefully be donated to a fisting party after this all over. Work is on hold now, so maybe there will be a way to volunteer to deliver things or do runs for elderly/disabled here to get out of the house.

One thing I have learned with the panic buying that I can share is that if you are in a place where there is a scarcity on TP/paper towels/basic cleaning supplies, go to those ghetto liquor stores. While you will pay a premium, you can also go into an empty store and they have some of the things that people are flighting about at the grocery store. My friend went to the grocery store in BH/WeHo this morning at 7am when they open. The line was around the block and they delayed opening until 8am to restock. I really am grateful to the DL preppers. Stocking up 3 weeks ago gave me piece of mind. There are very smart people on DL (Elderlez and some of the others) and the info gets distilled faster than the news. Thank you DL. Stay healthy my friends.

Where is that worthless whore Melania? First Ladies are supposed to be on the front lines assuring people during times of crisis.

Mamie Eisenhower must be rolling over in her grave.

In a weird way, this is kinda exciting.

Mr Bush! You're alive!!!

Next time another virus starts in China we should just drop a nuke on the city and be done with it. It’s outrageous that the world is shutting down because Chinese people stack live dogs on top of live snakes on top of live pigs. The Chinese government better be ponying up a lot of money to countries when this is all over.

Mr. Trump!! How nice of you to stop by!

R291

That’s elation about being ahead of the curve, like buying Apple stock in 2001, because you knew it would be good.

This is the opposite of that, but it feels the same.

Shutting down for 2 weeks would reduce income by around 4% for people unable to work from home. If they go back and STILL get infected, it’s an even more problematic economic hit, because they lose additional wages.

Flattening the curve is all we can do, and that means extreme measures.

I followed the first thread, and still thought it was possible enough to keep an eye on, and BOOM! it’s here and causing panic and confusion. The stages of grief are applicable.

Acceptance is a bitch.

“Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are.“ -Hippo

How long do you think it will take to get back to some kind of normal, or the new normal that lets people circulate somewhat more freely and work normally etc.

I think the big thing is an effective treatment. I can't believe they won't have something by the end of August. Just a guess but I know they're working from existing drugs, not trying to invent a new one.

At least a couple of months, and that is the best case scenario. The worst case is several months, and then it could come back again in the fall. A vaccine takes at telecast a year, assuming they can develop one. We don't have a vaccine for cold and flu, so it's not even clear they can develop one for Covid-19. I worry about looting, burglaries and muggings.

Sorry, meant at least a year for a vaccine

The peak of the current infection in the US is going to be in the next 3 weeks or so, and will likely start to taper off within 3 months or so, but will linger through the summer. If there's no vaccine by the fall and it's cyclical, it may be a year or more.

I think I saw this earlier but worth repeating... options around treatment. Hopeful?

I just ate half a cheesecake.

I thought, fuck it, I'm probably gonna die.

Wish I had an at home deep fryer.

The Vegas strip largely closing.

Since it appears that we will be on lockdowns of various sorts, I think all illegal street drugs should be made legal for the duration, to help relieve the boredom.

Brian Tyler Cohen:

Dr. Fauci REFUSES on air to defend Trump after blaming Obama

Brian Tyler Cohen:

Devin Nunes puts lives at risk with HORRIFIC advice on national TV

I just changed my poll vote -I've started running a fever.

WSJ:

Hospitals Push Off Surgeries to Make Room for Coronavirus Patients

Washington Post:

Live updates: CDC urges halting gatherings of 50 people or more; Federal Reserve slashes interest rates to zero

The rec is no gathering of 50+ for EIGHT WEEKS.

That is a long time.

I fear worldwide economic collapse more than the virus, and I have asthma.

There were already signs of heading into a recession. This is not just the US, it is global economies, halted.

Focus on the ball and the money, forget TP and Trump. This is terrifying. And there is nowhere better to go...

I'm curious how people are adapting, what they're doing.

I am basically in isolation. I try to order in groceries. I am good for several weeks. I am avoiding contact. I never leave the house, when I do, without a plan, considering risks and touchpoints... where am I going, how crowded will it be, what doors and surfaces will I come in contact with etc.

I know it sounds crazy but this shit is everywhere, I gather, and I am god damned determined I'm not going down without a fight.

R309, I don't fear economic collapse. It's gonna be bad, for sure, but necessity breeds invention. One of the UK banks, for example, already said to customers: If you're fucked up because of Corona we can arrange a 3 month holiday on mortgages and personal loans. For once, the lot of us, are really all in this together. That's a bank. Government hasn't really started thinking about what to do (Nancy's bill was a start.) It is in no one's interest to let everything collapse. Everyone knows this is for now, not forever.

This thread by Juliette Kayyem, from CNN, is sobering but mature. Her chart, in particular, gives you a sense of going forward. If it doesn't show at link, go to her feed and read the 10 parter.

NYC will be an interesting place as of Tuesday. I hope the take-out/delivery thing will hold. But the only bit of time I’ll be outside will be dodging delivery guys on their bikes. And those Chinese restaurant delivery guys are EVIL.

Can't you go out for a walk? If you don't touch your face you can walk around where it's not crowded.

Airlines are going DOWN. The first dominoes to fall.

[quote]@united to cut capacity by 50% for April, May and likely beyond. Corporate officers take a 50% pay cut. Airline anticipating load factors in the 20-30% range, #coronavirus estimated to cost the airline $1.5bn in March. 1 million fewer passengers so far in March vs 2019

[quote]The financial impact we are seeing play out in the aviation sector is shaping up to be far worse than the financial impact of 9/11. Its stunning how bad things have gotten so fast.

[quote]United is now talking with the leaders of its unionized workforce about cuts. The airline will have to get its payroll down so among the things being considered—across the board pay cuts, furloughs, reducing the amount of assigned hours so everyone keeps working but works less

Lot of people about to be out of work.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MARCH 16 - 1:15 AM EST

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 169,610

DEATHS: 6,518

CRITICAL: 5,921

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 3,782

DEATHS: 69

CRITICAL: NOT AVAILABLE

Life as we know it is forever changed, and it will never return to what it was. We're all going to have to adapt.

Now the Peace Corps is shutting down and evacuating all its volunteers from all over the world. The fucking PEACE CORPS.

[quote]The US Peace Corps has decided to temporarily suspend all operations around the world and evacuate its volunteers as the coronavirus pandemic spreads.

[quote]"As COVID-19 continues to spread and international travel becomes more and more challenging by the day, we are acting now to safeguard your well-being and prevent a situation where volunteers are unable to leave their host countries," the group said in a statement published Sunday.

I for one am happy, people aren't losing their sense of humor through all of this. People posting memes about the coronavirus helps with the anxiety of it all.

How has life changed as we know it? For the next few months sure. But are you saying we’ll never socialize again? The only “good” that will come from this is hopefully sweeping reforms to how we run this country. Ditching trump. Medicare for all

R319 = frog in the pot

Now China is taking emergency measures to prop up ITS markets. This is becoming a worldwide financial crisis like 2008-9. And it’s happening so FAST.

[quote] The People's Bank of China on Monday pumped 100 billion yuan ($14.3 billion) into the financial system by offering one-year medium-term lending facility (MLF) loans to banks.

[quote]On Friday, the central bank announced it would cut the amount of cash banks need to hold as reserves by 50 basis points, injecting around 550 billion yuan ($78.6 billion) into the economy. The RRR cut took effect on Monday.

Don't freak out so soon. Save it for you get some symptoms at least.

[quote] Life as we know it is forever changed, and it will never return to what it was. We're all going to have to adapt.

I can now officially claim this to be the mariest of all MARY posts I've ever fucking read. Get a grip, you fucking shopbottom. You're an embarrassment.

From the Rome bureau chief of WaPo: what life is like in Italy in this pandemic:

My coronavirus rule of thumb is that at any point, if you look back on life three days earlier, it is unrecognizable. That has been true in Italy for about three weeks. It’s terrifying to project it forward.

Social distancing in Italy means

* your city is legitimately spooky

* NOBODY is outside

* people can’t even go to funerals of their loved ones

* people don’t visit their elderly parents

* their kids stay inside and see nobody

* they fear everybody else might be a carrier

and that is today. I don’t know what it will look like next week, or next month.

Lol

[Quote] Well jokes on you Coronavirus I already stay inside and hate interacting with humans.

Does anyone know how long the ban is for NYC bars and restaurants?

Yes, they can do take out and delivery...but I don't trust the delivery people to be healthy...think about it. They come in contact with a lot of people!

NYC --A total of 329 cases have now been confirmed across the five boroughs, representing nearly half of the 729 cases statewide.

Hizzoner additionally announced that he would order the suspension of elective surgery beginning Monday in city hospitals in an effort to ease the stress on the overloaded health-care system.

I hope Trump calls for a nationwide shutdown/quarantine. If any country needs a reset, it's us.

He only hasn't because he's desperately thinking of a way to monetize the shut-down for himself.

Spain’s coronavirus death toll doubles overnight as country goes into lockdown

Spain’s death toll from coronavirus doubled to 288 on Sunday after the country dramatically restricted its 47 million residents’ movement, according to a report.

The climbing number of infections come after Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez announced a partial lockdown Saturday as part of a 15-day state of emergency.

All citizens must stay home except to buy food, go to the pharmacy, to the hospital, to work or for emergencies.

“We will (eventually) return to the routine of our jobs and again visit our friends and loved ones,” Sanchez said in a nationally televised address.

He continued, “Until that time comes, let’s not waste energies that are essential now. Let’s not lose our way.”

We're going to lead the world in deaths. Relax, we're doing great.

Lindsey Graham says his coronavirus test came back negative

Trump is one of those guys who lies so much he can't even tell the truth when it would benefit him. He's always on the make, he can't turn it off. Add in the obvious personality disorder, possible pharmaceutical issues and likely age- or health-related dementia, he's never going to be able to make the right decision in this time of crisis. Not even accidentally.

I'd happily go into lockdown with Spain's Prime Minister. 😍

People are already starting to get cabin fever, so I can't imagine what it's going to be like two weeks from now, much less a month.

I think the economic impact is going to be much worse than people are expecting. It could make the 2008 financial crisis look like nothing. I'm really scared.

Pretty sure Trump would have preferred the herd immunity option, but Fox News just didn't suggest it to him in time.

R332 so the opposite of his HIV test?

Lurgy Begone! by Louis Vuitton.

please wash your hands often.

I have annual check up tomorrow, should I go? I am fine. I think I'm gonna postpone. If I go, I might ask the doctor for a pneumonia shot, since I'm under 65 and will need a prescription for it.

I canceled elective check-ups and so did my parents. Perhaps call and ask them what they would advise?

Covid19 is the timothee chalamet of coronovirus'. Its impact spreads exponentially and leaves you breathless.

r284 Please stop posting that link! That photo freaks me out. It's like a before and after photo. The girl on the right lost weight and got plastic surgery and the girl on the left is what she looks like after it.

[quote]Life as we know it is forever changed, and it will never return to what it was. We're all going to have to adapt.

Are you writing this from after the Plague? The 1918 influenza epidemic? The Ebola outbreak? The Potato Famine? The Great Depression? World War II?

Moron.

Oddly, having studied Chinese Dynastic art, the girl on the right would have been considered a truly aristocratic beauty by the standards of that time. Her face is actually quite an amazing example of the feminine aesthetic, particularly in statuary.

I'm in Santa Clara County, where we just jumped up to 113 cases. even though Stanford announced it was going online a couple of weeks ago, they only announced school closures on Friday.

Basically, there's always this lag time. Two weeks ago, we went out to dinner at a crowded restaurant. Came back and found one of the two cases in the county was in-town. Started using precautions the next day--avoiding crowds, using hand sanitizers going in and out of places, not touching my face when out. Thanks to DL, I'd already been jumpy enough to stockpile some basics beginning in January, though that was mostly because of the supply disruptions I was expecting because of China.

A week ago, we ate out again, but used Purell in and out and didn't sit near anyone. Now we only go out to grocery stores and take walks. This coming week, we're going to cut down on visits to the grocery store. I've read going outdoors is fine as long as you keep your distance. Some experts advise changing clothes and shoes. I haven't done the clothes yet, but I now have outdoor shoes that stay outside. First thing I do coming in is go and wash my hands. No guests.

It is fucking dreary, frankly, but I figure I've got a shot since I started this two weeks ago.

Life changed after all those things, R344.

Are they still tracking regular flu deaths in the elderly or are they just folding all the numbers into the death totals coming out of all these countries? I really doubt they are differentiating the two statistically.

Italy, for example:

[quote]In recent years, Italy has been registering peaks in death rates, particularly among the elderly during the winter season. Influenza epidemics have been indicated as one of the potential determinants of such an excess. The objective of our study was to estimate the influenza-attributable contribution to excess mortality during the influenza seasons from 2013/14 to 2016/17 in Italy.

Their numbers during those peaks reached over 20,000 excess deaths during some of those years. Italy is just filled to the brim with really old people all living on top of each other and touching each other all the time.

The US:

[quote]Influenza killed about 80,000 people in the 2017-2018 season, according to figures released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The previous high for a regular flu season, based on analyses dating back more than three decades, was 56,000 deaths.

We need to stop panicking. This is what happens in a social media world with 24/7 for-profit news coverage.

And, R347, those things are nothing like this at all. People need to study history and science a little more. Throw in some statistics, too.

While I agree with your point {R348], it is also what happens in a world run by lying populist scumbags who refuse to engage with the issue in a sensible manner. People no longer trust what they are told or have faith that their leaders care and they panic.

R348, Again, we have a vaccine for the regular flu, but we don't have one for the Coronavirus. This thing also has a higher mortality rate. If it spreads to the extent of the regular flu, then we could see a lot more deaths.

In China and Italy, they're using the HIV medication Kaletra to treat coronavirus. The Prep queens here might already have immunity!

3330 cases in the UK with 35 deaths is a death rate of 2.7%. All have been in their 80s, except for one man in his 50s.

R351, we do not know the mortality rate because we don't know the infection rate. If, as I suspect, regular flu deaths are being folded into these numbers, then that is adding to the supposed mortality rate. There is no way they are testing all the deal old people to see what actually killed them. There will be some that were positively tested and then died but, at this point, in places like Italy, that would be the exception. If they are old and seemed to have the flu when they died, they are adding them to the list of Coronavirus deaths.

We will also develop immunity to this, starting now. We will also have a vaccine for this next year, too, but the flu vaccine we do have each year is always hit or miss as it is.

After this is all sorted out, we'll see a much lower mortality rate than even the lower estimates now. I'm only hoping that this doesn't end up being a 'boy who cried wolf' scenario. If this ends up with a very low mortality rate and everything goes back to normal by the end of the summer or even just by the end of the year, when something with a 10% mortality rate comes along, people aren't going to believe it.

[quote] 3330 cases in the UK with 35 deaths is a death rate of 2.7%. All have been in their 80s, except for one man in his 50s.

Sweetheart, who taught you math? It's a smidge over 1%.

[quote]3330 cases in the UK with 35 deaths is a death rate of 2.7%.

To follow R355's response, you should probably go ahead and add a zero to the end of that first number because the real number of infected is probably closer to 33,300 with most of them showing no or mild symptoms and not even being tested. So, we can drop the mortality rate down to .1% which is pretty close to average annual flu mortality rate.

So, again, stop panicking and sign up for some online math, science, and history classes during your time off.

A good article about how the threat of the virus is very real.

I know we have at least one guy on here who says Italy is "just letting old people die" but according to this article, Italy is still not out of beds in hospitals just yet. They're approaching max capacity but not yet at that point.

Now they're saying everyone with a common cold should self quarantine. I have accepted everything so far and I will gladly stay at home if I get infected or if there's even a slight chance I already am infected without knowing. But a fucking cold?! WTF?! I've had a cold for weeks. I have a runny nose and a slight sore throat. I don't have a fever, I don't have a cough and I don't have difficulty breathing. It's a COLD. This is the first time I disagree with advice from the Norwegian health institute.

[quote]If, as I suspect, regular flu deaths are being folded into these numbers, then that is adding to the supposed mortality rate.

There's no reason to suspect this.

What you mean is you ASSUME this is happening, but you're assuming this because your personal opinion is that the Covid-19 virus is not a real threat, and that you know this because your "math, science, and history" knowledge is superior to everyone else's.

If that were true, you wouldn't be making assumptions, passing them off as fact, and telling everyone else they were stupid for not believing you. You wouldn't be saying "we will also develop immunity to this" when there have been initial studies indicating that some people don't develop immunity, and that immunity to the L strain doesn't necessarily mean immunity to the S strain, and vice versa. We simply don't know yet whether it's poor testing or something else.

Again, I urge everyone to go to reputable sources for their information, and question what you read, especially if it comes anonymously and packaged with insults.

I'm going to link to another article about immunity to Covid-19 in the next reply, but it's from the Independent so you're going to see that goofy message about their website. But the link is a good one.

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there is hope for all you DLers!

A 103-year-old woman has become the oldest person to beat coronavirus and return home.

Zhang Guangfen recovered from the disease after receiving treatment for just six days at a hospital in Wuhan – the Chinese city at the centre of the outbreak.

The centenarian’s quick recovery was down to her having no underlying health conditions apart from mild chronic bronchitis, her doctor Dr Zeng Yulan told reporters.

She was diagnosed at Liyuan Hospital, Tongji Medical College, in Wuhan on 1 March, Chutian Metropolis Daily reports.

The newspaper published a video showing the woman being escorted out of the hospital to a waiting ambulance by a group of medical workers as she was discharged on Tuesday.

Older people and those with pre-existing medical conditions are more at risk of developing severe coronavirus symptoms.

The grandmother has become the oldest person to recover from the deadly disease so far – days after a 101-year-old man also beat the virus in Wuhan.

A 100-year-old man with Alzheimer’s disease, hypertension and heart failure also recovered from the virus in Wuhan this week after being treated by military doctors.

Wuhan’s 11 million residents have been in lockdown since late January.

The disease has infected more than 80,700 people in China and killed more than 3,000.

Though less deadly, this virus is worse than Ebola because it is more easily spread. A category 1 storm spread across a large area (like the entire world!), will cause more destruction than a category 5 storm in a limited area. On top of that, THIS storm is lingering for weeks and months. Aside from the physical damage to our health, emotional well being and our normal way of life, there is also the enormous financial which will be multiple times worse than the 2008 financial crisis, Katrina and 9/11 combined when all is said and done. Right now the world is using trillions of dollars to fight this fire, but it continues to burn and simmer. There is no stopping it anytime soon. Yeah boo, this is bad. Like really, really bad.

Mayor Bill de Blasio’s micromanaging of the city’s coronavirus response is preventing city health officials from getting the latest guidance about how to contain its spread to the public, five sources told The Post.

“He needs to step back and let the health commissioner make the decision. There’s just too many missteps,” one local elected official told The Post.

City Health Department officials are “wildly frustrated with Mayor de Blasio,” according to an agency source.

“Mayor de Blasio has instructed everyone that he will personally approve, edit and rewrite all coronavirus communications,” according to the agency source.

“He’s wrong on a lot of things and he’s making a lot of mistakes,” the source said, referencing the mayor misinforming a traveler who had returned from Italy last week that she didn’t need to self-isolate unless she had symptoms.

On Sunday morning, de Blasio said on WBLS that the disease cannot be spread by people who do not show symptoms — though the CDC has said that is unknown.

he agency source said the health officials have sent de Blasio updated guidance, but it’s “sitting on the mayor’s desk and not moving.”

The source added that the mayor’s relationship with his Health Commissioner, Dr. Oxiris Barbot, is “toxic right now” because of the logjam. Her No. 2, Deputy Commissioner for Disease Control Demetre Daskalakis, stopped attending the mayor’s briefings last week after disagreements with the mayor.

“Every word of this is true,” said a City Hall source

Two additional sources confirmed the communications breakdown.

Freddi Goldstein, the mayor’s press secretary, confirmed that he reviews new guidance but said he’s not line-editing and causing a logjam.

What are they doing with the dead bodies in Italy? I guess a funeral is not possible. Are they burning them?

I mistyped the UK numbers. It's 1330 and 35 dead which does work out as 2.7% mortality BUT nearly all were 80 plus and already spazzed by various conditions.

The UK's "lazy eugenics" approach to the virus is a reminder of what they did to the Irish.

The coronavirus epidemic in the UK will last until next spring and could lead to 7.9 million people being hospitalised, a secret Public Health England (PHE) briefing for senior NHS officials reveals.

Former police commissioner of NYC and current Trump pardon beneficiary Bernard Kerik sums up the Fox News mentality in a tweet posted last last night:

Why do I feel this hysteria is being created to destabilize the country, and destroy the unparalleled and historic economic successes of President @realDonaldTrump?

Worldwide Deaths... Jan-Feb 2020

2,360: Coronavirus

69,602: Common Cold/Flu

240,950: HIV

M brother has a flight out tomorrow, Tuesday. I hope they don't cancel domestic flights. I tried to get him to reserve a car just in case but he wouldn't do it. I will fucking kill him if he doesn't leave.

And this last night from Sheriff David Clarke, once under consideration for a job in the Trump Homeland Security Department:

GO INTO THE STREETS FOLKS. Visit bars, restaurants, shopping malls, CHURCHES and demand that your schools re-open. NOW! If government doesn’t stop this foolishness...STAY IN THE STREETS. END GOVERNEMNT CONTROL OVER OUR LIVES. IF NOT NOW, WHEN? THIS IS AN EXPLOITATION OF A CRISIS.

CBS reporter Seth Doane tested positive for COVID. They interviewed him on CBS Argus Morning, and he mentioned his husband!

Be safe sexy Seth!

^^CBS This Morning

[quote] I will fucking kill him if he doesn't leave.

That should certainly provide you with the recommended social distancing.

[quote]CBS reporter Seth Doane tested positive for COVID. They interviewed him on CBS Argus Morning, and he mentioned his husband!

His husband appears to be Italian.

TV journalist Richard Wilkins has coronavirus after ‘chat’ with Rita Wilson

Bond girl Olga Kurylenko tests positive for coronavirus

[quote]We will also develop immunity to this, starting now.

What makes you think that? We don't have an annual immunity to the flu.

⏳ CORONA TIME - MARCH 16 - 7:45 AM EST

🌐 GLOBAL

CASES: 173,029

DEATHS: 6,663

CRITICAL: 5,937

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 3,802

DEATHS: 69

CRITICAL: NOT AVAILABLE

"Social Distancing" and "The New Normal" are the catch phrases of the day.

I wish more people who develop symptoms would tell us what it is like. How many have mild symptoms? I have only heard descriptions of severe cases.

R31 No offense to Sharon Stone, but just because she did AIDS fundraising does not mean she's expert or entitled to give out medical advice. She's coming off more like Gloria Swanson waiting for her close up in that video. And it's okay for her to recommend people stay at home and "do fun things" while waiting for the virus to clear, she has a dozen assistants to cater to her every whim.

Time for many of you to learn how to cook.

[quote] I just realized how many times I touch my face in a day.

My face itches all the time now!

STORES ARE NOT CLEANING ANYMORE THAN USUAL. IVE BEEN TO A TARGET, A WALMART AND A CVS AND ALL WERE DISGUSTING!!!

The target and cvs are in a ritzy area. No excuse. DIRTY DOORS, FLOORS AND WINDOWS.

THE PARKING LOTS HAD WEEKS OF TRASH AND NOT BEEN CLEANED.

THE SCANNERS WERE CAKED WITH FILTH AND THE SCREENS COVERED IN FINGERPRINTS.

SUE THEM TO OBLIVION!!!!!

We are all Karen now! DEMAND PUBLIC FACING BUSINESS CLEAN AND SANITIZE THEIR ESTABLISHMENTS.

People are shaming the average Joes for stocking up irrationally BUT WHY ARENT THEY SHAMING THE BILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES WHO ARE NOT CLEANING THEIR FILTHY STORES??????

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[quote]HIV and Malaria drugs shown to eliminate COVID 19

That's almost like a sweet revenge. I wonder if the gay haters would lower themselves to using HIV medications to save their own lives? I hope not.

Fox News is blaming Obamacare for causing "hospitals across the country" to close and for driving doctors and nurses out of the profession "because they can't make any money."

I demand to speak to the manager!

Wow, I literally blinked when I looked at the market open to make sure I was seeing it correctly! Down 2,250. I'm guessing we tripped the first circuit breaker. That must be a first.

How is Russia doing with this? I imagine Drumpf has been having secret communications with his Dear Leader.

If we shed another 1000 points on the Dow, the gains under Trump will be wiped out entirely.

[quote] But a fucking cold?! WTF?! I've had a cold for weeks. I have a runny nose and a slight sore throat. I don't have a fever, I don't have a cough and I don't have difficulty breathing. It's a COLD. This is the first time I disagree with advice from the Norwegian health institute.

Has it crossed your mind that somebody who's been fighting a cold "for weeks" is a prime target for catching COVID-19 ? Seriously do you believe your government is telling you to stay home just to bug you ? People with no medical history are dying, from what you're saying your immune system seems to be utter shit, so STAY HOME. No one's asking you "to agree" with measures, just obey them. There's nothing complicated and yet people act in defiance of orders because it's sunny outside and they feel like going out. It's irresponsible and crazy.

We don't want your ass in the ICU, they don't have enough ventilators as we speak.

Great news!

Miz Lindz is fine!

Great news!

Miz Lindz is fine!

I'm still getting over the flu that turned into bronchitis. I'm on week three of this damn thing and I am NOT leaving the house.

If you're dealing with a cold that you've had for weeks and weeks you need to get to a doctor. With luck it's now a bacterial sinus infection secondary to the viral infection you had weeks ago, and you can get antibiotics and be healthier for when COVID-19 finally comes your way.

Stay home r,386.

[quote] I'm still getting over the flu that turned into bronchitis. I'm on week three of this damn thing and I am NOT leaving the house.

This is very smart and absolutely necessary. You don't want to catch that virus on top of it.

If our hospitals run out of ressources and can't treat us we'll regret bitterly not staying on the couch while we're left to die in some hallway.

keep yourselves safe

R398 Evil never dies.

With Trump, Lindsey, et al, testing negative, I'm convinced innate evil is the immunity for Covid-19.

[quote]they don't have enough ventilators as we speak.

I am not criticizing anyone directly by using this example and I understand we're all nervous... I am too... but...

It's exactly the kind of wild assertion that needs a fact check and if you can't fact check, you need to give facts the benefit of the doubt.

The statement assumes the need for ventilators will inevitably outstrip demand or that everyone needing one will need it at the same time. That isn't necessarily so. Until it is, stop scaring yourself and everybody else. Not just in this instance, in all instances.

Recall in 80% of cases these symptoms are mild. Mild illness does not require a ventilator. And I know you can do the math and it can make you poop your pants and write you wills but nowhere in the history of how not to worry has anybody ever advised you to spend a lot of time believing that what might happen will happen.

It is not guaranteed we will become Italy. Social distancing is now happening, we do not live in anywhere near the dense, social, demonstrative conditions that reflect Italian life and culture.

Symptoms, on average, manifest in five days. If social distancing starts to work, which it should, the next week will be indicative, and so will the week after that. And so on.

Maybe we need a Worst Fears thread where we can unload our neuroses and anxieties, which are understandable and justified, but not helpful or calming, to you as an individual or to anybody else.

We will come through this. It can be managed. It will be hard and at times frightening. But we will get through it and life will become very much like we always knew it. And when it is: keep washing your fucking hands! xo

[quote]It's exactly the kind of wild assertion that needs a fact check

Good news, R404: NPR has done just that! Not saying you could have looked it up yourself, but... ya coulda looked it up yourself, Blanche.

[quote]we do not live in anywhere near the dense, social, demonstrative conditions that reflect Italian life and culture

There are several large metropolitan areas that would like to have a word with you.

This is complete Trump bullshit.

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 3,802

DEATHS: 69

CRITICAL: NOT AVAILABLE

[quote] The statement assumes the need for ventilators will inevitably outstrip demand or that everyone needing one will need it at the same time. That isn't necessarily so.

r404, you're in for a rude awakening.

r405, Italy has twice the ICU beds per capita as the US.

R408 but does it have twice the Lesbians?? I think not.

Is Marco Rubio a DLer? His latest tweet references "Marshall Law."

All those are fair points and I posted in a rush, but my main point is if you want to panic, then panic. If you want to focus on trying to frighten rather than trying boost, enjoy it. If snarking and snide brings you comfort right now, roll in 'em like a sow.

NY Gov. Mario Cuomo: I don't believe we'll be able to flatten the curve enough to relieve the hospital system in NY.

[quote]In China and Italy, they're using the HIV medication Kaletra to treat coronavirus. The Prep queens here might already have immunity!

A passing glance at any of the previous 17 threads would tell you this isn't true. Or a .25-second google search. STFU

And it's PrEP, idiot.

[quote]NY Gov. Mario Cuomo: I don't believe we'll be able to flatten the curve enough to relieve the hospital system in NY.

Andrew. Mario is long gone.

[quote]ADVERTIMENT: si utilitzeu aquest parc per deixar que els nens sense llar es col·lapsin a la cara i es faci una diarrea a la boca, renteu-vos les mans després. Gràcies.

I worry about our own Mrs. Patrick Campbell.

She lives in Spain, where they are dropping like flies.

She is in that 70+ demo most at risk.

She is likely to have dismissed health warnings are conspiracies by Jews.

And she isn't exactly known for her scrupulous hygiene.

Join me in prayer, won't you, for her unlikely survival?

R416, sorry, so busy today! But let us know how it goes...

Cuomo is giving an effective if chilling presser. Basically, he's saying to DC: do this...

I have a runny nose and a slight cough. I have a dental appointment tomorrow and I called this morning to cancel. Told them I had a slight cough and didn't want to worry anyone. The response I got was not what I expected. I was told they have gloves and mask and it is OK for me to come in.

Yes, Cuomo is saying that no state can do this on their own and they need urgent help from the feds.

I got management to postpone maintenance and inspection work in our apartment building this week. Greatly relieved to not have a bunch of workers coming into my apartment.

R419... here in Toronto I just got an email from my dentist... the Royal College of Dental Surgeons has directed all non-emergency be cancelled until further notice.

Runny nose and congestion are not CV symptoms. I’ve been monitoring myself for any hint since I left NyC on Thursday. Only stuffy nose - which I think is allergies.

The respirator issue is real. The only thing I’m concerned about. They can set up beds in tents or auditoriums for hospital beds. But respirators are the key choke point (no pun intended). According to the DHS secretary, the number of respirators available is a “national security” secret - aka, it’s a major issue that they don’t want people to know for fear of justified panic. Ignore it if you want for your own sake - but it’s the point I make to anyone who is being flippant about this.

[quote]"Social Distancing" and "The New Normal" are the catch phrases of the day.

Don't forget "abundance of caution".

🤢

Why can't they just make more respirators? How long does production take?

What happened to the Barcelona troll who posted a thread or two ago? He said he had tested positive for CV, it wasn't that bad, not to worry, and that we could check in with him to get the state of the Spanish state....

I feel a little "off" - I have a mild fever, some body aches, and light headache. But I can't tell if it's paranoia, stress, allergies, or this damn virus or what. It would be nice if I could find a thermometer. Any ideas?

I'm also a gig worker - I'm worried about myself and all the other hourly, gig, self employed folks. I'm following the news about providing everyone with Universal Basic Income.

The latest news from my city is staff at local grocers, and coffee shops have come down with it. I certainly interacted with people who have been at these places recently.

It's also cold, gloomy and snowing. Can't go to the gym. And it's only the beginning.

How can you wear a mask if they're working in your mouth, R419? Your dentist sounds clueless or greedy, or both.

[quote] Why can't they just make more respirators? How long does production take?

This is the question I have: why can't the government demand the conversion of factories producing medical (and similar) products into producing what is needed for this crisis?

This is what happened during World War II -- my grandfather was a house builder and during the war all house construction was halted so he went to work at the Chrysler factory in Detroit manufacturing tanks for the duration (fun fact: he hated working there and the day Japan surrendered, he promptly quit).

Well, March 15th went as horrible as it usually does. Now the stretch to the end of this awful month.

I think R428 they were telling me they can protect themselves from me.

R427 I used a digital meat thermometer (ThermoPop) under the tongue and it worked perfectly

Hey, I missed cumo's press conference. Did he say how long the bars and restaurants will be closed?

R423 Runny nose and cough are some of the symptoms.

I’ve been making the point - one of the most important things that should be happening now is the manufacture of respirators - similar to WW2 production. There is also a more intensive “oxygenation chamber” (medically incorrect) which was a choke point for China that should also be manufactured. It’s probably all made in China now though.

This whole process is pseudo - socialism which is why the right is freaking out. Requires communal decision making and government enforcement. The economic impact will likely also require some element of socialism - via unemployment support and other “welfare”. The Bernie model is more useful now than the Tea Party model. Not that Fox News watchers will ever see, be told or understand that.

And they still insist Tokyo olympics is gonna continue...crazy cunts.

R434 - most news sources such as CNN say a stuffy nose is a key factor that makes it most likely allergies or a cold NOT coronavirus

Dry cough, fever, chills is the majority of symptoms.

[quote]This whole process is pseudo - socialism which is why the right is freaking out. Requires communal decision making and government enforcement. The economic impact will likely also require some element of socialism - via unemployment support and other “welfare”.

More than half of America would sooner die than share or cooperate. The US should have split in two (or more) parts a long time ago. Maybe this is the opportunity.

Where in either of my post did I say anything about a stuffy nose R438

Sorry, meant for my R440 post to be for R437.

[quote]This is the question I have: why can't the government demand the conversion of factories producing medical (and similar) products into producing what is needed for this crisis?

Well it could, if you had a federal government than gave a shit and could translate that into action.

But the U.S. has Donald Trump, unable to do anything, and Mitch McConnell, who doesn't like to.

[quote]I worry about our own Mrs. Patrick Campbell.

Wouldn't she have to be actually alive to die from this?

Let your worries go.

R403, don't forget Kellyanne. She's notifying the world she tested negative.

R403, don't forget Kellyanne. She's notifying the world she tested negative.

She didn't test R444. She said she showed no symptoms.

950 positive cases in NY.

463 cases in NYC.

only 53000 beds in NY.

only 3000 ICU beds in NY, 80% already used!!!!!

via cuomo

R432 thank you I'll look for one

R432 That's an anal thermometer.

Are you joking or serious a meat thermometer works if you put it in your mouth?

Someone just said to use one for pets.

I'm being totally serious, sadly.

The virus got into Kellyanne and then ran the other way.

That wench's stench could kill anything.

Bloomberg:

U.S. Health Agency Suffers Cyber-Attack During Covid-19 Outbreak

WHO considers ‘airborne precautions’ for medical staff after study shows coronavirus can survive in air.

“As you know this is a virus that’s transmitted through droplets, so these are little pieces of liquid,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, told reporters during a virtual press conference on Monday. “When you do an aerosol-generating procedure like in a medical care facility, you have the possibility to what we call aerosolize these particles, which means they can stay in the air a little bit longer.”

Don't know if this was posted...

NYT: Two Emergency Room Doctors Are in Critical Condition With Coronavirus

I just went to a local supermarket here in Northern NJ and surprised to see not too many people. I got a parking space easily near the entrance. and no line at all at the cashier. Unfortunately, the shelves are almost empty. lol.

R318 posted a meme from the right-wing hate site created because The_Donald got quarantined by Reddit.

Fuck you R318. Traipse on back to your Trump loving shithole.

AP:

Coronavirus vaccine test opens as US volunteer gets 1st shot

Thats good news R458. Unfortunately it might take a least a year for it to become available to public? If it's proven effective at all.

Lol r457. Im r318, I just came back to this thread to post another meme!

Honestly I didn't even notice where the meme came from. Someone shared it, and I thought it was funny, so I shared it too. Jesus.

⏳ CORONA TIME 12:45 PM EST

CASES: 175,838

DEATHS: 6,717

CRITICAL: 5,978

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES

CASES: 4,096

DEATHS: 71

CRITICAL: 12 - RECENTLY UPDATED ?

Whispers of a mandatory 2 week mandatory quarantine of all Americans to be announced in the next 48 hours ?!?!

That is BS.

I expect they will suspend domestic flights or strictly limit them to essential travel, co-ordinated with the airlines. I wouldn't be surprised by a nationwide curfew, but again tailored to certain respects.

R460, I don't mind the memes, but anything touched by The_Donald is poison, and we've seen a lot of stealth posting from right-wingers trying to turn people to the alt-right. Seeing Thedonald.win set off my Nazi detectors.

“That’s not even in the realm of things we’re asking governors for,” said Katie Miller, a spokeswoman for Vice President Mike Pence, who is leading the Trump administration’s response to COVID-19.

“There are a lot of rumors,” Miller said. “I promise you, I’m sitting in every single meeting… so I can give you guys a yes or no.”

Jim Scuitto of CNN tweeted Monday morning: “There are active discussions within the Trump administration to encourage a possible ‘curfew’ across the nation in which non-essential businesses would have to close by a certain time each night.”

Miller swiftly denied the report by Scuitto, a former Obama administration political appointee. “This is not correct,” she wrote on Twitter, before briefing a group of journalists in West Wing workspaces.

Rumors of a national quarantine swirled last week, contributing to a countrywide ransacking of grocery stores by people afraid of what’s ahead. White House coronavirus task force member Anthony Fauci said during media appearances Sunday that he’d rule out nothing to stop the virus.

But Pence appeared to pour cold water on the idea, saying at a Sunday briefing that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention would issue new guidelines Monday but that “we’ll also respect and defer to decisions that are made by governors, by state health departments about what’s best for that community.”

TEST TEST TEST

[quote] “We have a simple message to all countries - test, test, test,” WHO Director General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told a press conference in Geneva. Without testing, cases could not be isolated and the chain of infection would not be broken, he added.

Bloomberg News' Jennifer Jacobs:

HHS was hit by a cyber attack last night. Multiple incidents of hacking.

U.S. officials have not yet confirmed who was behind the HHS hacking. The hack yesterday involved overloading the HHS servers with millions of hits over several hours.

So Russia is definitely hiding their numbers right? Haven’t heard a peep from them about anything.

The Russians are eating the corona virus victims

r452- you can't kill what is already dead

Market down <1800 points but that's better than I thought.... I thought the circuit breakers would trip twice.

Meanwhile more grim news from Italy

5m ago - Guardian

Death toll in Italy exceeds 2,000 The death toll in Italy from Covid-19 has increased to more than 2,000 with the announcement of another 349 victims

And Russia checks in...

The day isn't over yet, r472

The day isn't over yet, r472

Can we please stop referring to breathing machines as ‘respirators’? A device that breathes for a person is a VENTILATOR.

Respirators are face masks and/or gas masks. A respirator does not assist in breathing or breathe for a person.

Russia seems to have checked in @R318.

The UK has changed the isolation days for those with symptoms from 7 to 14 days and the reason is a lot of bullshit.

Lots of kids outside on their scooters here in NYC. I want to yell at their parents “Your kids are big time carriers! Either keep ‘em inside or ship ‘em off to grandma!”

Actually they are testing Kaletra and the Malaria drug it's on Scientific American

Canada: airlines ordered to ban symptomatic passengers

Canada closing borders to all but citizens returning and diplomats

introducing assistance program for symptomatic Canadians abroad

Trudeau on the air live now

we're doomed

“President Trump told a group of governors Monday morning that they should not wait for the federal government to fill the growing demand for respirators needed to help people diagnosed with coronavirus,” the New York Times reports.

Said Trump: “Respirators, ventilators, all of the equipment — try getting it yourselves… We will be backing you, but try getting it yourselves. Point of sales, much better, much more direct if you can get it yourself.”

Canada: from Weds. March 18th only four airports receiving international flights: Pearson, Montreal, Vancouver and Calgary.

Trade and imports unaffected.

Trudeau did call on new measures with G7 earlier today.

Mayor of philly requires all nonessential businesses to close.

Payroll relief for those outbox work will be upcoming

Boris Johnson is stuttering a lot during the current press conference.

Mitt Romney has joined the #YangGang and proposed every adult receive $1000 to keep things going.

Fucking De Blasio caught going to the gym today. What an idiot clown.

Trudeau, who normally annoys the shit out of me, gave a leadership speech just now. Compare that to Trump.

U.S. citizens exempt from Canadian border closures.

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte addressing his people now.

I’d so do him.

France: Macron will speak in an hour and commentators on TV expect he'll announce a 45 days confinement.

Thanks to all the morons who spent the week end outside in the sun without a care in the world. Now we're going to suffer.

Oh and hordes of cunts are fleeing Paris. 250km traffic jam going south. They'll go and infect people everywhere. CUNTS !

Reporting from Ohio. We were at 37 confirmed infected yesterday, up to 50 today with 14 of those hospitalized.

Italians are all noisy extroverts who can't get enough of each other. Very different from Brits who are happy in their own little castles.

Classic Trump - states get the respirators/ventilators yourself. He is doing everything possible to deflect any responsibility or blame. Shameful. But also the way many CEOs work - a con game to remain in power - blame other people. Anyone who thinks this system is a meritocracy is wrong.

Big jump in UK deaths

Guardian- The death toll in the UK has increased by 19 to 53 people, according an update from the NHS.

Coronavirus case linked to Winter Party Festival in Miami Beach, LGBTQ group says. (can't post...DL keeps rejecting Miami Herald... may be is loaded with HTML....)

BY MARTIN VASSOLO

MARCH 16, 2020 06:30 AM

Even when some of Miami’s biggest shows went down like flies because of coronavirus fears, one party in Miami Beach went on: the Winter Party Festival, which has been a Beach fixture since 1994.

During the welcome reception for the Winter Party Festival on March 4, a festival representative and Mayor Dan Gelber demonstrated a hands-free handshake that attendees should use. It involved jazz hands. Organizers rolled out a hygiene policy and said they gave out 10,000 bottles of hand sanitizer.

Now, after the week-long festival was held as scheduled, one of its attendees has tested positive for COVID-19, the respiratory illness caused by the novel coronavirus.

The positive case was announced late Sunday by Rea Carey, the executive director of the National LGBTQ Task Force, which organized the festival.

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In a statement on the Winter Party Festival’s official Instagram account, Carey said the attendee did not experience symptoms during Winter Party Festival and that it is unclear if the person contracted the virus at the festival.

“I am writing to let you know that on Saturday night (the 14th), I was informed that one of our Winter Party Festival (WPF) guests has tested positive for COVID-19 this last week,” Carey wrote.

“We are grateful to them for alerting us, particularly given that they were not experiencing symptoms during WPF. While we know there are many places people could have been exposed before and after Winter Party as this virus has developed, we wanted to make sure you have this information as soon as possible. The health and safety of anyone who participates in any Task Force event is of great importance to us.” 
The festival was held at venues across the city, including Exchange Miami, Treehouse, and at an event installation on the sands of South Beach. Events also took place in Wynwood and Wilton Manors in Broward County.

Organizers had put out fliers encouraging attendees to wash their hands — especially after coming into contact with others. “Don’t go back to the dance floor all nasty. Who wants to ruin their vibe by getting sick,” reads a flier for the festival. “Regular handwashing, particularly before and after certain activities (don’t make us list them here), is one of the best ways to remove germs, avoid getting sick and prevent the spread of germs to others.”

visitors that the city remained “open for business” despite the cancellation of Ultra Music Festival, Calle Ocho Festival, and HistoryMiami Museum’s Map Fair in Miami.

“Until further notice, we’re taking all precautions but we’re open for business,” Miami Beach City Manager Jimmy Morales said on March 5. “I know we’re already getting inquiries in light of Ultra.”

The succession of cancellations jolted South Florida at a time when the total death toll due to COVID-19 was 16 and Florida’s Department of Health announced the discovery of the first two cases in South Florida. The number of cases in Broward County alone, now considered a coronavirus cluster, had ballooned to 36 as of Sunday evening.

On Sunday alone, Miami-Dade County announced a rule that will force bars, restaurants and nightclubs to close at 11 p.m. starting Monday and halve capacity at those businesses and at theaters. The county-wide order followed announcements earlier in the day from Miami Beach and Fort Lauderdale to close stretches of public beach to crack down on large spring break gatherings.

“Given what we knew at the time about the virus prior to WPF and working with local Miami Beach officials, we took steps to ensure the safety of attendees,” Carey’s statement reads. “The educational posters throughout WPF venues and 10,000 hand sanitizers we distributed over the weekend were both appreciated and utilized by attendees.”

Carey advised attendees to continue monitoring their health and if they were to test positive, that they could email organizers.

“Information and circumstances have changed rapidly since WPF,” the statement reads. “We continue to encourage all WPF guests to monitor their health, practice social distancing, wash hands with soap, use hand sanitizer and contact their doctor if they think they are exhibiting symptoms. If you test positive for COVID-19, please contact those you were in direct contact with so they can take steps to monitor their health and speak with their doctors.”

Boris Johnson has announced that anyone over the age of 70 should stay home for the next 12 weeks. God knows how this is going to work in practice. Also, suggesting that people stay away from pubs, cinemas and bars etc. From the experience in other countries, we can expect that this will become a mandatory ban in a few days time. Sigh.

Mitch stalling on Corona Bill in Senate

Idris Elba has made a video where he claims he’s tested positive but no symptoms so far.

This hot brotha I follow on Twitter is here to help out the DL contingent!

Denver shuts down all restaurants and bars for 8 weeks. Take out allowed. Bans gathering of more than 50 people

[quote]Mitch stalling on Corona Bill in Senate

Link, please.

[bold]THAT FUCKER.[/bold]

coming soon to a city near you

"Also, suggesting that people stay away from pubs, cinemas and bars"

It will not be respected unless it is mandatory sadly.

Trump is more or less telling the governors to handle it.

Re R510... if this is where he's at, at this point, this will go so badly that I suspect he's sealed his fate for re-election and now we're moving on to the fate of the Senate.

So much for that United part of the United States, r510.

Business Insider:

'Try getting it yourselves': Trump told governors they're responsible for getting their own medical equipment to treat coronavirus patients

McConnell is MIA. The fucking coward.

he's jackass

Trump just deleted this tweet:

Cuomo responded via Twitter:

I have to do more?

No — YOU have to do something! You’re supposed to be the President.

He will destroy his presidency and his reelection chances. He digs deeper every day.

McConnell almost always has cover for his malevolent actions because of Trump. it's time the media starts going in on his turtle ass too

Sadly, the polls show no slippage for Trump this week. His supporters still think he's the greatest...

It's so depressing.

For your eye rolling pleasure....

R520 because of right wing media. Fox has been going on for the last 2 weeks now that Democrats are politicizing the situation and "Pelosi is in the way" when it comes to providing aid/relief to the public. They also constantly show clips of mainstream media saying "they're whipping up hysteria for no reason other than to hurt Trump"

deplorables see this and buckle down harder in their support.

They don't realize that Fox/right wing media knows it's a reliable play to keep the narrative of how Trump is an honest, intelligent, benevolent saint of a leader who's the victim of left-wing smears

The Cuomo vs Trump battle is good to watch. Cuomo is the only one calling out Trump for not taking responsibility. Maybe Pritzker in IL. Telling states to get respirators ? Perfect example of failure of federal government. Trump will try to push blame everywhere but him. God I hope he goes down hard.

Everyone doing, "Jazz Hands" at the Winter Party.

San Francisco is closed.

CNBC: San Francisco is ordering residents to stay inside as the city tries to contain a coronavirus outbreak there, Mayor London Breed said Monday.

The city “will require people to stay home except for essential needs,” she said over Twitter, adding that essential stores and necessary government functions will remain open. Breed is expected to announce a “shelter-in-place” order for the next three weeks at a press conference later Monday, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.

[quote] Sadly, the polls show no slippage for Trump this week. His supporters still think he's the greatest...

Converting deplorables is a lost cause, i believe. Better to focus on the independents/undecided.

Maybe this is a blessing in disguise with the Trumptards going outside willy-nilly- thinning of the herd so the adults can take over and get us out of this situation.

Who’s the lady talking right now?

unfortunately the biggest outbreak areas seem to be blue areas

R528...Dr. Deborah Birx, White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator.

Dr. Birx, who are you wearing?

Tinman for End of Days!

WHO'S THIS WOMAN WHO COMES?

Who are the other quislings at the presser?

CNBC:

San Francisco orders residents to stay inside, except for essential needs

Politico:

House coronavirus package hits snag

MACRON: [bold] NOUS SOMMES EN GUERRE!!!!!!!!! [/bold]

McConnell truly is a vile despicable bastard. Our country is so damn dumb and lazy to keep this piece of shit in power so long

Allons enfants de la Patrie....

So basically, unless Millennials do what they're told, we are all going to die.

(Hello, LegalZoom? Yeah, need to update the will, stat.)

Trump says Americans should avoid gatherings of 10 or more.

The face masks and respirators are probably coming straight from China.

😷 [italic]Great Everyday Low Prices For Our American Friends !

Tony Fauci jumps in to clarify what Trump said about duration of gathering guidelines.

The link is for state-by-state coronavirus news. Just click on your state. It is interest to see what other states are doing so you might want to check out the states that are your next-door neighbor.

Thank god for Fauci.

*interesting

Why are they all standing so close together on stage for this conference?

The rule is six feet, not six centimeters.

R520. Hang in there. There is still hope especially for the undecided. Soon, more state leaders will begin to vent their frustration at Trump once the hospitals reach capacity and deaths start to stack up. They have been fairly silent so far but this is going to change. The last thing that Trump wants is another Katrina where one vocal leader in New Orleans helped to bring down the presidency. This will be even worse for Trump because he is going to get attacked from multiple fronts. Everyone will be looking to put a knife in him just like they did with Cesar. However, unlike Cesar, Trump will survive and will bear witness to his own political demise and we will all live happily ever after. Amen and all that.

[quote]San Francisco is ordering residents to stay inside as the city tries to contain a coronavirus outbreak there.

Applies to six Bay area counties: San Francisco, Santa Clara, San Mateo, Marin, Contra Costa and Alameda.

Shall I start a March Madness #17 or has somebody done it? Will do at 4 eastern, contingent on feedback.

Sorry.. start # 19.

Looks like he's learned his lesson--shutting the fuck up about the economy and stock market. Every time he opens his hole about them, the market drops.

The feds' guidelines:

what have they said about testing? any specifics on its expansion?

what have they said about testing? any specifics on its expansion?

Hospitals are contacting retired nurses and doctors to see if they might be interested in returning to work.

As if ...... Retirees are the high risk population, and they want them to return to germ central?

Macron announces full lockdown in France for at least two weeks. No family or social gatherings allowed.

We decide to get away

And have some fun

Book a room and catch a flight

For two weeks in the sun

She says, "Hawaii's got a hundred cases."

I say, "Barbados isn't bad."

She says, "I'd love to see Bermuda."

And I say, "Woman, are you mad!"

Corona Triangle makes people disappear

Corona Triangle don't go too near

But Trump doesn't see my angle

And he thinks I'm being dumb

So Corona Triangle

Here we come!

How has someone not assassinated this prick already?

Boris is an outlier still in the UK. My friend went to a Lewis Fataldi concert last night. Around 10k there.

OK, no feedback, I'll prep a #19.

Yes r549 DO START !

THIS IS TRULY A TIME OF MADNESS!

AND IN DC, IT'S A TIME OF THE MINDLESS !

Reporter: How would you rate your response to this crisis?

Trump: I'd rate it a 10.

There were half the number of cars on the streets that I normally see on a typical Monday. It felt like an early Sunday morning.

Imagine if Trump spoke like Macron and said "Stay home and read. Hard times make you realize how important culture is". The repugs would invoke the 25th amendment.

Here's #19... come the need...

Reporter: Does the buck stop with you?

Trump: Yeah, normally, but this is something different.

reporter to Trump: how would you rate yourself on handling this virus.

Trump: 10

lol he's such a F'ing idiot

Trump just rated his response & handling of The Corona a "ten" !

This coming from a guy who claimed it a Democratic Hoax that would be over in a week or two?

He's also trashing Cuomo, saying that he should be doing more for his State.

I loathe this eviman.

Fauci says 45 individuals are participating in the trial vaccine and will be followed for a year.

I laughed out loud when he said he would rate his handling a 10.

[quote] Reporter: Does the buck stop with you?

only if he can put it in his pocket

It's going to get hard out there for a ten, esp. if the dead start piling up.

Trump refuses to contradict Devin Nunes' and OK governor's urgings to go out to local restaurants and bars. "I'll take a look" at what they said.

[quote]Fauci says 45 individuals are participating in the trial vaccine and will be followed for a year.

A year?!?

As Dolly Parton once said to Linda Ronstadt: "Hurry up, bitch! I got things to do."

AP:

US tells older people to stay home, all ages to avoid crowds

When i started my new job i took the personal finance advice of many to build a 6-9 month reserve. This meant staying in an apartment with roommates, though I feel I'm getting too old for that game, and religiously funding my savings as soon as I get a paycheck. It was hard sitting on that cash while the stock market went up and up, but I didn't believe in Trump and I knew that a job can end tomorrow. While I remain employed, for now, I am so happy that I sacrificed gave myself the necessary cushion to weather this storm through the remainder of the year.

For those that can save, please be smart with your money and always prepare for the worst. People will tell you a million and one things to spend your cash on, but when faced with these bleak economic realities, it's better to have cash on hand. I feel for those living paycheck to paycheck. That was me for some time, so I get the struggle and hope the government does the right thing and send hard cold cash to all Americans.

Dr. Birx urges Millennials to take this seriously for the sake of the Greatest Generation and their children.

Good luck with that.

STOCKS PLUNGE!

Nasdaq worst day EVER

Dow & S&P worst since 1987 eldergays, what happened in 1987 that made stocks drop? I thought repubs always say the 80s were "our best economic years"?

I hope every freaking Trump Hotel, restaurant, golf course and club house are seized by the bank

Veep: My wife and I have no symptoms. I can assure the American people, we haven't gotten close enough for droplets in, oh, well since Miami Vice as best I can remember.

Based on the latest dribble coming from the Whitehouse, this situation must already be very bad in the US. Reading between the lines, the sudden about face and recommendations about social distancing, the possibility of a recession and the talk of a cure in a year leads me to believe that the current situation is far worse than I thought. They seem to be preparing the public for some really bad news that is about to drop such as tens of thousands of Americans are already infected based on the testing results that they already have and have not yet released.

Did anyone hear that if banks go under it might be hard for the FDIC to insure people will get their money? I saw it this morning, but was getting ready to leave the house and didn't hear the whole story.

[quote]They seem to be preparing the public for some really bad news that is about to drop such as tens of thousands of Americans are already infected based on the testing results that they already have and have not yet released.

The Ohio Health Department estimated last week that 100,000+ residents were already infected, so you can assume tens of millions.

This must be very bad if Drumpf is giving all these press conferences. Granted he loves the sound of his own voice more than anyone but he's also a lazy mother fucker. He must be exhausted. I'm guessing he's upping his Sudafed sniffing.

Highlights of Trump Press Conference:

- You don't have to buy so much, take it easy, relax

- When this passes, you're going to see numbers, pent up demand

- Stores are stocking up at a level that is beyond Christmas time

- Using full power of federal government to fight the virus

- Phenomenal people, working around the clock and they're doing an incredible job

- It's a very contagious virus, it's incredible, but [bold]we have tremendous control over[bold]

- Federal Reserve, it's a tremendous thing that just happened right now

- Thank you very much

Meanwhile the numbers in France continue to rise

Guardian- France’s Public Health Authority has reported 21 new deaths from coronavirus taking the total to 148, an increase of around 16%. It says on its website that the number of cases had risen to 6,633, up from 5,423 on Sunday, which is a rise of more than 20% in 24 hours.

1). A lot of the people who will die were going to die anyway. It sounds cruel, but it's true.

2). The entire world should be demanding compensation from China. They hid & lied about this, they allowed flights from Wuhan to Milan (where there are ghettos of Chinese garment workers). We should cancel some of our debt that they hold. #F_China.

R585. Thank you for the summary. I can not watch that bullshit anymore. Makes me want to scratch out my eyes and peel off my ears.

Trump can't give rallies right now so he's trying to fill the void with press conferences.

That was the summary of yesterday's presser, r588. I posted yesterday (r102) and reposted now to show the absurdity.

[quote]A lot of the people who will die were going to die anyway. It sounds cruel, but it's true.

Everybody's going to die anyway, so I guess we can do away with all medical care.

Will Trump be printing this out and signing it like he did on Friday?

Dow tumbles nearly 3,000 points -- worst point drop in history

Apt!

Next title suggestions: End of days No country for old men

CNBC:

Dow plunges nearly 3,000 points as Trump says virus could drag on

No one from our local colleges is taking this seriously.

Literally running wild in the street. Sunday morning the neighborhood looked like a garbage dump. The police department is not pleased.

Why don't these fucking idiots just go home to Mommy and Daddy.

Somebody gonna make a 19?

No Country for old men.

Idris Elba has tested positive.

In Greece, authorities are also ramping up measures after the health ministry said confirmed cases of coronavirus had risen to 352, an increase of 21 over the past 24 hours. Of that number 65 patients are hospitalised with nine in intensive care, professor Sotiris Tsiodras, an expert in infectious diseases told reporters.

New thread please!

Corona time linked :(

Good luck, everyone!

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