Coronavirus Freakout 11: The Boy(s) in the Plastic Bubble

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We're all gonna die

I’m in NYC, not old enough to worry, and pretty healthy. But I’m fighting off some kind of low-grade something. Won’t bore you bitches with the symptoms, because there’s no fever. Guess it’s not Covid.

[quote]We're all gonna die

Thanks, Rose, but we knew that.

Rabies.

Buzz Aldrin was in that movie?

Wonder if he got it on with Mr Brady.

The case in NC is directly linked to the nursing home in WA.

Please resume your panicking, bitches.

There is an article that says the death rate is actually higher than previously thought.

Thread title is meh at best.

I thought it was gonna be a play on the soap opera title?

Good news for the uninsured.

Anything for those of us who have to buy our own insurance at $$$-$$$$ a month or are we in the middle fucked as usual?

R9 In other words: there's a 96.6% survival rate.

R14, do you think a 96.6% survival rate is good? Because it’s not. That’s like one dead schoolchild in every class. Class, not grade. Granted, not everyone will catch it (and those under 20 or 30 seem to have a much lower fatality rate), but 3.4/96.6 is very bad. Italy is advising everyone over 65 to stay home.

The 2nd man who tested positive in NY took metro North trains to Grand Central. He works on the 47th floor at one grand central plaza according to abc eye witness news.

And attended a temple service, a bar mitzvah, and a funeral over the weekend.

R13 your insurance company should cover it as if you were sick from any other flu.

What if you got sick and developed shingles’s or something - how did you plan on paying for it. I assume you would plan on using your insurance. How is this any different?

Coronavirus is believed to spread mainly through “respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes within about six feet of another person,” according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

“These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs,” according to the CDC website.

R19 Then why are we being told that masks won't help? How else to avert {quote]"These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs,” according to the CDC website.

The guy's temple is under orders to self-quarantine.

From the Washington Post, Fatality Rate by Age Group in China

80 and over - 15%

70 to 79 - 8%

60 to 69 - 4%

50 to 59 - 2%

See article for rest of the age groups.

R20, because there is a shortage, they don't want the public to buy it all up, the medical staff needs it.

It's total BS. Buy it and use it if you're going to take the subway etc...but it might get in through your eyes, don't touch your eyes with bare hands.

R23 I didn't know the reason; thanks for explaining.

OP's references are so Eldergay!

O.K., BOOMER.

Please eldergays...don't go to any big gatherings...don't eat from salad bars or free samples at stores...you don't know who coughed near it.

don't go to churches or temples.

As concerned as I am generally about the virus, I think WHO's new death rate is horseshit. I'm sure a lot of countries are like the U.S. - not testing widely. So many people who are exposed will have no symptoms or such mild symptoms that they don't go to a doctor or hospital and are never tested. So the mortality rate of those tested appears much higher due to the selection bias. If they really sampled the population exposed accurately, I'm betting the death rate would be significantly lower.

Well I did my big grocery shopping today at Kroger in Oak Lawn in Dallas. It did not seem people were panic buying, but they did put a limit on disinfectants and sanitizers at 5 per person. Thankfully I have a hoard of them since my partner is a germaphobe.

Yeah, let's end the Travolta theme here. It was cute for a couple, but there are better titles out there.

Re: death rates--given that Trump has eviscerated the CDC, I don't see any reason why the death rates will be particularly low in the U.S.--we have tons of people with hypertension, diabetes, obesity and the population is aging. Throw in the lack of testing and asymptomatic spreading and we've got ourselves a royal mess.

Though I still don't get WTF it is with toilet paper and water. Wipes and alcohol I get. Though I know one guy who gave up on trying to get straight alcohol and just went and picked up vodka instead. Now he can clean stuff and, if worse comes to worse, drink himself into oblivion.

I hope so, R27... the WHO death rate thing disrupted my confidence... I was feeling it isn't good but it's fine... that unsettled me.

Snap taken this afternoon in Oval Office during CDC's "Special Debrief"for DJT.

R27, are you ignoring that your argument ALSO gives room for the death rates to be higher?

Also, your argument is based on solely testing positive.

Testing positive is a condition that can lead to different outcomes: 1)!death, 2) flu like symptoms, 3) survival of contamination, infection, and disease, 4) and then we must factor in unknowns, (such as: can someone just be a carrier? Are those of East Asian descent more vulnerable to contracting it? If so, are they more susceptible to death? At what ages? Are other populations extremely vulnerable too? Why Italy, more than Germany?)

This virus is too new and we barely know anything about it, other than it shows to be consistent in that it’s highly contagious, and easily transmissible, which means one should assume it is airborne, since the odds suggest it most likely is.

I believe this will resolve within 12-34 weeks, max. But that does not mean we know much about it at this time.

It has to get a behavioral history within multiple and vastly different populations, and via longer timelines, such as 12-36 months, in order to predict and /or give correct mortality rate averages.

David Pakman:

UH-OH: Trump Doesn't Understand Vaccines

Any DLers in Seattle want to weigh in?

[quote] “They believe they have been exposed, they are sick, they want to get tested, they have nowhere to go,” she added. “People want to be safe and protected, they do not want to spread this, they want to take care of themselves but we don’t have the capability right now to do it with the policies we have in place.” Bedford said Seattle faces a stark choice — take aggressive actions to slow down the spread of the new coronavirus now or face the type of outbreak that engulfed Wuhan’s health facilities and led to a lockdown of the city that remains in place six weeks later.

NIAID funding opportunities announcement.

The assumption is that protease inhibitors will work, but we can’t say they are a treatment until clinical trials are done. Clinical trials are starting now. I linked to the clinicaltrials.gov search several threads ago. I am too tired and lazy to update tonight.

Wtf about the person on the last thread comparing this to swine flu as if they were comparable. 12,000 deaths out of 61 million infected is .02%. 2% is 100 times more deadly than .02%. If you think that is basically the same thing you may be innumerate.

And as for toilet paper, I had heard that a lot of infected people were experiencing GI symptoms. GI symptoms do tend to increase tp use even amongst the most diligent fiber eaters

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That movie should have been called - The SCIENTOLOGY HOMO In The Plastic Bubble.

DL Queens will I be able to go on my gay cruise in July?

No, R38.

The cruise stops mostly in Spain. Does that help?

Up until 1982 Toyota sold a car in the United States called the Toyota Corona. It was a rear wheel drive car that was replaced in the autumn of 1982 by an all new front wheel drive car called the Toyota Camry.

CNN-Japan confirms 17 new cases, bringing total to 991

R38

Not if you are intelligent, or over 21.

Unless numbers out of Italy (and South Korea and Iran and Washington and etc. and etc.) stabilize by this week then draconian measures will be imposed. Nobody believes China or WHO.

Banning gatherings, demanding social distancing, implementing minimization protocols-

It’s literally someone stating their boundaries now, so they don’t have to state them later, because people have died!

CNN-There are now 125 coronavirus cases in the US.

CNN-Iran's coronavirus cases rose past 2,300 on Tuesday. Here's what's happening there

One week ago, Iran had fewer than 100 confirmed coronavirus cases. On Tuesday, Iranian authorities said there were 2,336 confirmed cases, making the Middle Eastern country one of the worst affected in the world.

There are now 77 confirmed deaths from coronavirus, Deputy Health Minister Alireza Raisi said on state TV Tuesday.

Don't go on your cruise R40, the soccer games there are now gonna be played in empty stadiums. It's spreading fast. you may think you are young and will recover etc. but you may bring it back and infect others.

Will the Jewish guy now be known as Typhoid Murray?

Typhoid Maury.

R48- You don't think things will improve buy mid July?

BY not buy

I'm surprised more people in this country don't have bidets by now. Sure, I use toilet paper, but not nearly as much as when I actually wash off as opposed to just wipe off. Ugh.

They're cheap now. You can get one on Amazon and have it running in fifteen minutes.

R25 is right.

It must be Millennials who are stuck starting threads with references to mid-70s Travolta movies. So hip and relevant, using a beloved actor who’s stood the test of time!

The Travolta theme was accidental. I was all for Lung and the Breathless. Although if someone named Tommy dies, the WHO could return!

Starting the newest thread is easy, especially since the old one starts breaking down around R550. If you don’t like the name, start the next one. Just no pangolins.

Pangolins don’t deserve to be dragged into this shitshow.

How about “Coronavirus is an insatiable bottom”?

Pure Terror Nostalgia!

But seriously- this doesn’t look good for an already fractured society.

Love this queen:

R54

He has been a wonderful resource when trying to figure out the size and shape of this catastrophe.

Draconian measures might be the only way to slow the spread of this disease enough to allow healthcare systems to adapt.

It is unfortunate and terrifying, but the alternative is in unchecked pandemic that kills one in 33 people -provided they have adequate intensive care!

What happens when intensive care is no longer available? Death rates start to climb into the double digits.

Scary AF.

It will be of little comfort if young people are usually immune, but one in 100 suffers major organ damage.

[quote]unchecked pandemic that kills one in 33 people

That one in 33 people is an older person with pre-existing medical conditions.

In that case, Datalounge's days are numbered.

there was a man only in his 40s who died in seattle...there was no mention of any medical problems...

R56

Yes, everyone knows that.

Don’t you think that will impact the behavior of billions of people if this becomes endemic?

Everyone over 20 is susceptible to infection leading to death. Under 20 are silent carriers, but have a risk of dying as well.

Ignore the second order effects all you want, but that doesn’t make them any less problematic.

Even if 3% of the population became clinically ill, hospitals would be overwhelmed. A significant number of the people that survived required intensive medical intervention, and the United States has enough beds for one in every 350 people, and critical care facilities can only cope with around 20,000 people in the entire country.

Unless the disease is mitigated with transmission intervention then we’re going to overwhelm our hospital systems and millions will die from lack of care. Then life returns to “normal” after the cities burn.

Or we can slow transmission and kill our economy slowly, as the cities slowly burn.

Damned either way at this point.

Unless a miracle happens, life will be extremely different on April Fools 2020.

CNN-Washington state is at the center of the coronavirus outbreak in the US. Here's what's happening there

There have been nine deaths from coronavirus in the United States -- and all of them have been in Washington state.

In total, there are 27 confirmed cases in the Pacific Northwest state, the largest outbreak in the US. Seattle, Washington's largest city, is home to big companies like Boeing and Starbucks. It's also a tech tub -- both Microsoft and Amazon are headquartered there.

Amazon has told staff that one of its Seattle-based workers has been diagnosed with coronavirus.

Here's what else is happening in Washington: -Sick told to skip church: Seattle’s Catholic Archbishop Paul Etienne has urged the sick to “stay home from mass." He also asked churchgoers to “avoid hand-to-hand contact during the Our Father,” and said “holy water should be removed from fonts.”

-Emergency declared: Seattle has declared an emergency to respond to the novel coronavirus. In a news release, the office of Mayor Jenny Durkan said an announcement on actions to be taken would be made “in the coming days.” Similar moves have been made in other communities around Washington state.

-Tests take time: Senator Patty Murray from Washington state said people are scared. “I’m hearing from people who are sick, who want to get tested, are not being told where to go. I’m hearing that even when people do get tested, and it’s very few so far, that results are taking way longer to get back to them," Murray said. "It’s unacceptable that people in my state and nationwide can’t even get an answer as to whether or not they are infected."

CNN-As the US tries to clear up confusion over virus testing, Mike Pence says anyone can be tested

As the Trump administration struggles to clear up confusion and mixed signals over testing amid concerns that tests were not being made available soon enough, Vice President Mike Pence said Tuesday evening said that "any American can be tested."

What Pence said: Pence said in an off-camera briefing at the White House that there was new guidance from the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) that any American could be tested -- "no restrictions, subject to doctors' orders."

Pence said the new guidance will make clear "that any clinician or health authority can administer the test."

CNN has reached out to the CDC for comment on whether the agency's online guidance will be updated to reflect the vice president's remarks.

What happened before the announcement: The announcement follows numerous complaints of citizens asking to be tested and turned away due to the strict CDC testing criteria.

It also follows a number of government missteps that have left Americans scared and confused about how to protect themselves during the viral outbreak.

A botched roll out of CDC testing -- combined with what some health officials now believe was too-strict criteria on who could be tested -- caused a delay in testing that some health officials are increasingly concerned about.

US testing capabilities: On Monday, the Trump administration suggested that the US would be able to test close to 1 million people for coronavirus by the end of the week.

During a Senate hearing Tuesday, FDA Commissioner Stephen Hahn was greeted by skeptical lawmakers and pushed to explain how he thinks the United States could do a million tests when, to date, it has only been able to perform about 3,600.

"I want to distinguish between the ability to get the test kits out to the laboratories with the ability of the labs to actually do the tests," Hahn told lawmakers, offering no clarity on how many tests could actually be run by the end of the week.

⏳ CORONA TIME 12:30 am EST

CASES: 93,186

DEATHS: 3, 203

SERIOUS/CRITICAL: 6,711

We need to find out what's really going on in China.

It's time to get Jack Bauer on the case!

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

God damn Chinese

Cases By State :

27- Washington Deaths - 9

24- California

4- Illinois

3- Florida

3- Oregon

2- Arizona

2- Georgia

2- Massachusetts

2- New York

2- Rhode Island

2- New Hampshire

2- North Carolina

1- Texas

1- Wisconsin

Man I don't want to be a dick but is the entire world retarded? I'm a history teacher, and know a little bit about the plague and the Spanish Flu and all kinds of fun stuff. I'm not a doctor, but I see pictures of people buying industrial sized boxes of Eggo waffles and toilet paper and I have no idea what these people are thinking. If you are quarantined, you will have food, and medicine, and access to water. If you DON'T, then your problem won't be access to cheap processed food or even water, it would be mass death on a scale we can't really imagine, maybe a little like WW1 and Spanish flu. Death will be the problem, NOT HUNGER. I find it sociologically interesting that people think the main problem with a global pandemic is access to cheap processed food, when all of the USA is morbidly obese, and there is a COSTCO and SAMS CLUB everywhere. Going to COSTCO is gonna give you the flu. So you're gonna die of a flu, how is looting SAMS CLUB gonna help? Oh, all of society has collapsed? That isn't going to happen, it didn't happen in 1918, and it's 2020. You don't need a hospital for this virus. What are they gonna do? You need an immune system and fluids. Chinese people eat bats, get flu, and now we are going bananas over 3,000 deaths? The dumbing down of Earth is bumming me out more than any pandemic apocalypse ever could.

R67, they are buying their supplies and food now because they don't plan on going out. They gonna stay indoors. They ain't gonna go out and risk getting the virus.

Catholic Bishop of my Diocese issued guidelines bforvMasded and other religious services :

No more shaking hands during as a Sign of Peace toward fellow parishioners.

Communion wafers will be placed in your hand, not directly into your mouth.

No more drinking of wine from the shared Chalice.

Please cough or sneeze into your elbow.

Sanitize often.

If you're sick , stay home.

R67, is an example that the only people who still use the word retarded are stupid.

People are settling for what they can get, and what they can easily store.

Why are DLers always so fixated on what's in everybody else's shopping carts?

R70

Not really. R67 is a perfect example of someone retarded.

How could someone that stupid be allowed to teach history in a public school?

WLA just got their first confirmed case.

R67

People who are preparing by stocking up on food and supplies want to avoid trips to the store where they will no doubt intermingle with potential disease carriers once the virus is actively circulating. Preparing now is also adventageous if you consider shortages and supply chain disruptions that will likely occur in the coming months.

It's frightening to think that you—a person who is practically delusional in your lack of common sense and logic—are responsible for teaching the next generation of adults.

This is the man who commuted from Westchester to Grand Central for work. He is 50 and is in intensive care.

The US clusterfuck is definitely on the West Coast.

Something to read:

YES, this is how it begins

there is hope for the elder gays on DL!

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98-year-old Chinese woman cured of coronavirus in Wuhan

A 98-year-old woman has been discharged from a hospital in the Chinese city of Wuhan after being cured of the coronavirus – making her the oldest person in the world to survive the deadly illness, according to a report.

The woman — identified by her last name Hu — developed a fever last month and was treated at the makeshift Leishenshan Hospital in the epicenter city along with her 55-year-old daughter, who also was infected with COVID-19, the Xinhua news agency reported.

She had been listed in critical condition with a fever of 104 degrees Fahrenheit, according to the news outlet. After a course of anti-viral medications and other treatments, the near centenarian made a full recovery.

Industrial size boxes of Eggo Waffles and toilet paper .........

That is the stuff that dreams are made of.

[quote]What if you got sick and developed shingles’s or something - how did you plan on paying for it.

R18, having to pay is going to discourage many people from getting tested, which will lead to further spread. The United States is one big for-profit scam, a system engineered to extract maximum profit at all times.

I’m a realist and do not to panic. However I don’t think we are being told the whole story here as I think that Drs and scientists themselves maybe don’t know the whole story. I am convinced that it has mutated In every win areas or in certain strains and that is why there is such high mortality rates in Iran, etc. Why would that 50 year old lawyer in Manhattan with no previous health issues be listed in severe condition as well as a youngish Italian Dr dead? Not counting the physicians who have perished in China. Could this be the cytokine storm that we were warned about before? Any Drs or scientists here care to weigh in on the possibility of the younger patients succumbing or what exactly could be going on here? Thanks in advance.

[quote]Any Drs or scientists here care to weigh in on the possibility of the younger patients succumbing or what exactly could be going on here?

More of us were posting in the early threads but it appears we've been driven away or at least dissuaded from going to the trouble.

At this point, I'm just here to watch the wheels spin.

R18, I’d advise anybody of the right age (over fifty I think) to get shingles shots. There’s two shots. The second one is two to six months after the first one. I had the first shot and it upset my stomach for several days, which is a side effect for some people, so I recommend getting it in a Friday night, just in case.

The last thing you want right now is to have to go to the doctor for shingles.

[quote]Pence said in an off-camera briefing at the White House

They would not allow reporters to record video or audio, only to snap still photos. Very suspicious. There are rumors that Pence has Covid19. He apparently shook hands with 44 military academy students in FL last week or something. Could be BS but either way it's outrageous that they'd ban audio and video from a WH press briefing in the time of an international pandemic. "Radical transparency" my ass.

In terms of the US response, we seem to be somewhat less prepared than Italy was and maybe as badly prepared as Iran. China has been treating its citizens like prisoners of war for the past two months to slow the spread. They bought us so much time and we completely squandered it. If the Obama administration's measures were still in place we might be handling this as well as South Korea has, but instead I fear the shit is about to hit the fan and there will be thousands of deaths directly attributable to Trump and his GOP enablers. I hope sick folks cough on the lot of them.

To say that the death rate isn't so bad is preposterous. You've gotta love American exceptionalism. It takes at least 3-4 weeks for someone to get sick enough to die. Now that ppl are starting to drop dead it only confirms where the disease has been spreading unchecked for a month or more.

Furthermore, there already seems to be a 14% rate of reinfection in people who were cleared of the virus. And as the 1918 pandemic taught us, these novel flu viruses keep taking laps around the globe and the second or third mutation is likely to be even worse than the first time around. Epidemiologists are already warning that even if this does die down in the summer months (and there's no guarantee of that), it will come back in November/December with a vengeance. And we still won't have a vaccine by then.

R82, that 50yr old lawyer has underlying respiratory issues, i heard that at the press conference.

I'm trying to find info on those who died on the West coast, I think one of them is only 40yr old.

Anybody noticed shortages in stores? I went to Big Lots today. Almost all the spices were gone and the freezer section was completely empty. Yesterday, I went to Sam’s Club and they were out of rice, pinto beans, cans of spaghetti, and were very low on toilet paper. And the deli refrigerators were empty. That’s usually stuff like hummus, cheese, fancy potato salad, tamales and dips.

I want to keep an eye on when these stores are restocked. A lot of stuff is made in China. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of spices are packed in China.

Among other weird things, there was a run on frozen pizzas at my local supermarket. People are clearly planning on eating out less, but damned if they're going to actually cook.

People really need to stop thinking that the only people in danger are those with pre-existing conditions. Lots of people don't know that they have them.

Since there are cases in my city and possible cases at the local school, I've been avoiding crowds and, man, it is boring.

it's funny watching all of the fools panicking and stockpiling.

[QUOTE] Or we can slow transmission and kill our economy slowly, as the cities slowly burn. Damned either way at this point. Unless a miracle happens, life will be extremely different on April Fools 2020.

You've gone mad. Firstly, 96% chance does not equal one child per class, unless you have classes of 100 in your primitive village.

Secondly, those Chinese stats you link state that the virus has only 0.4% chance of killing people in their 40s, 0.2% of killing people in their 30s and less than that for those in their 20s and younger.

Thirdly, these figures are based on Wuhan, which isn't a first world city. Poverty related illnesses and malnutrition (these people were eating snake meat for fuck's sake) made the victims far more likely to succumb to any virus.

The death toll for swine flu was figured out after millions worldwide had been affected, so it is far more accurate than current coronavirus estimations, based on a few thousand in one Chinese city. If millions get coronavirus worldwide, that figure will go down.

Lastly, given how mild the symptoms are in the vast majority, no cities will be burning. Once the virus is declared to be 'in the community', they will stop closing public buildings and just get on with life. A few thousand people over 70 will die. Life will go on for the rest of us, as it did during swine flu, which killed 12k worldwide and affected up to 20% of the global population.

You are a hysterical prepper trying to spread panic, with seemingly zero understanding of how America has coped with other pandemics.

Yeah I’m sure everyone’s just overreacting. The malignant narcissist with frontotemporal dementia who hobbled the CDC is telling people it’s NBD, so we’ll be fine.

R84, I just had the shingles shot, and felt pretty crappy for several days, with muscle aches, chills, and a headache. But still better than shingles, I'm sure.

R85, what were the “Obama administration’s measures?” Measures for what? And what has changed?

I’m baffled by the refusal to test and the lack of testing kits. It has to be intentional and strategic. And I’m disgusted by the CDC. Remember the Ebola response when untrained nurses were wearing inadequate protective gear? Weren’t there less than five patients (I think at one point it was only one)?! They fumbled and apparently didn’t use it as a opportunity to improve.

Initially, I thought they (they being either the trunk administration or the CDC) were delaying testing because the virus was LESS deadly than China’s numbers indicated, and they wanted to delay diagnoses in the US until people calmed down about the risk. But that doesn’t seem to be the case. I know of someone one town over from the very sick 50 year-old who was sick enough to spend two days in bed after a trip to Milan and couldn’t get tested. But she recovered after that, so maybe the duration was too short to be Covid-19?

"Sick told to skip church: Seattle’s Catholic Archbishop Paul Etienne has urged the sick to “stay home from mass." He also asked churchgoers to “avoid hand-to-hand contact during the Our Father,” and said “holy water should be removed from fonts.”

Will this finally convince people of the idiocy of religion?

R99, do you really not understand what 96% (or 96.6%) means? If 96% survive, then 4% die. That’s 4 out of 100, or 1 out 25. More than 1 out of 30 if you use 96.6%. It does not mean 1 out of 100.

R90, I mean

R90, so swine flu killed 12,000, but 20 percent of the world's population came down with it--or around a billion people, more or less.

Meanwhile, fewer than 100,000 people have been diagnosed with Covid-19 and 3,200 have died from it.

So 12,000/1,000,000,000 v, 3200/100,000. See the difference?

And while Wuhan may not be the most developed place around, it's not the the third world. People aren't starving there. There are doctors and medical equipment.

You are in deep, deep denial if you think Covid-19 is just another round of the swine flu.

I'll post some links, r93. First, here's how the Obama administration handled the Ebola outbreak in Africa in 2014:

Grade 7 math is not r90's strong suit.

Thanks R85. I misunderstood your initial point I thought there were some specific standard measures that were in place for any communicable disease threat that had changed.

I’d argue that this is a very different situation, but I think the US response has been abysmal.

Can the next Travolta thread title be 'Look, WHOs Talking'?

Then Trump did what he always does. Tore down anything Obama had created out of petty spite, stripped critical government services and fired department heads, appointed his own cronies to positions they're woefully unqualified for because he values loyalty over expertise, pilfered public funds, and effectively hobbled the CDC.

One of the biggest mistakes was to eliminate 80% of the CDC's budget for helping to prevent or contain outbreaks in other countries. That left us as sitting ducks for exactly this kind of pandemic. America First, right?

Apparently, R90 was the “one child per class” who missed school the year they taught arithmetic.

A small compilation of ways the Trump admin screwed us over. This doesn't cover even half of it but it's easier than me trying to dig through thousands of liked tweets to find individual examples.

If it spreads and a significant percentage of the world gets it, surely the mortality rate will rise anywhere based on reduced capacity to provide medical treatment?

R90 I hope you are right but I think it will be more than a few thousand deaths.

From 2018:

[quote]For nearly two decades, the repository has been almost exclusively managed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That will change under a Trump administration plan to shift oversight of the $575 million program to a different part of the Department of Health and Human Services. Doing so, proponents say, will keep the program intact but streamline decision-making and create “efficiencies.”

[quote]But some public health officials and members of Congress in both parties worry the move will disrupt a complex process that relies on long-standing relationships between the federal program and the state and local agencies responsible for distributing the medicine. During a congressional hearing last week, lawmakers expressed concern that a change could risk the government’s ability to deliver lifesaving medical supplies to what public health officials call “the last mile” — to people in need during a disaster.

[quote]“You have spent years planning and exercising and training because you need to know what to do if 100,000 doses of Cipro showed up in your state,” said Ali Khan, who used to oversee the program and now is dean at the University of Nebraska Medical Center’s College of Public Health. “How would you get it out? Who would dispense it? These parts are as critical as maintaining the medicines in pristine condition.”

Here's an interview clip from yesterday that gives you an idea of just how badly we've fucked this up. It's assuredly not just in Washington and California. I would think NYC, Chicago, and Washington DC are all likely to have hundreds of infected people walking around right now. But because we haven't done any significant testing at all, we just don't know where the hot spots are until people start collapsing. And healthcare workers and first responders have not been given the protective supplies and training to keep themselves safe.

[quote]There are rumors that Pence has Covid19.

Amen.

Thoughts and prayers

Gdammit I have tix to the new muralists exhibit at the Whitney (nyc) this weekend but I would need to take the train (same line the guy from new Rochelle who is dying took repeatedly) and then subway. Should I go or should I just bail?

The links are pretty damning. I though the Ebola response was terrible also (within the US), and I could nitpick a few of the items in the links, but, overall, the Trump administration response has been a train wreck.

The test kit thing and the refusal to test. WTF?!

R111, I’ve bought some extra staples (rice, flour, sugar) to add to my already well-stocked pantry and the only other precaution I’m taking is to draw the line at unnecessary public transportation. But I’m in my 50’s. If I were 10 years younger I probably wouldn’t worry at all.

R113 Everybody needs to be concerned about regardless of age. Why?

1) Its a new virus and very little is still known about it; 2) Can people be reinfected and will the outcomes be worse the second time? Only time will tell; 3) Even in young people with very minor symptoms lung x-rays show infection - that is a concern. It may be nothing but it may set people up for something worse in the future?; 4) Though the virus is stable that doesn't mean it couldn't change and become more virulent. This is unlikely but you never know.

This isn't the regular fly. Nobody has immunity to it and lots and lots of people getting sick the same time is not a good thing.

R113 I’m on the cusp of 50, ugh I guess it’s a no for me, I don’t want to expose others in my circle because I had to see the Diego Rivera mural.

Oh, I’m concerned R114! And I appreciate all the points you make. But I think concern has to be weighed against panic and disruption. Given that metro north and the subways are still carrying the normal number of passengers every day, I don’t think a 30 year-old (or anyone under 65 at this point - using the Italians cut-off as they seem more organized - GASP!!!) should feel bad about going to to the city for an event. I also don't think a 30 year old should feel about about choosing NOT to expose themself on public transportation if it’s not necessary.

[quote] I also don't think a 30 year old should feel about about choosing NOT to expose themself on public transportation if it’s not necessary.

Depends. How hung is the 30-year-old?

R116 This is R114 - You are right. If and when the virus hits hard people will have to make informed decisions on what and how they do things. Certainly, anybody who is suffering symptoms should stay home and isolate the best they can but people who are feeling unwell are still going to be getting about for a variety of reasons I'm afraid.

This is pretty amazing -- a Singapore coronavirus dashboard shows every known infection case, where the person lives and works, which hospital they got admitted to, and the network topology of carriers, all laid out on a time-series. I don't imagine we'd see anything like this in America because of privacy issues and the Trump admin's refusal/inability to effectively track the epidemic.

Rick Wilson told us. Everything Trump touches dies.

Get your papers in order, girls.

Put it this way, this is a very good time to take advantage of the digital era and where possible telecommute, shop and access entertainment online. Having delivery service available for basics like food and toilet paper could be a big help for those who can afford it.

[quote]Everything Trump touches dies.

Has he ever touched anyone on the Datalounge?

CNBC: Chinese scientists identify two strains of the coronavirus, indicating it’s already mutated at least once.

In a preliminary study, scientists at Peking University’s School of Life Sciences and the Institut Pasteur of Shanghai found that a more aggressive type of the new coronavirus had accounted for roughly 70% of analyzed strains, while 30% had been linked to a less aggressive type.

The more aggressive type of virus was found to be prevalent in the early stages of the outbreak in Wuhan — the Chinese city where COVID-19 was first detected late last year.

But the frequency of this type of virus has since decreased from early January.

The researchers said their results indicate the development of new variations of the spike in COVID-19 cases was “likely caused by mutations and natural selection besides recombination.”

Italy’s government announced it will temporarily close the nation’s schools and universities, according to local media, as the authorities struggle to contain the spread of the coronavirus.

The closure will come into effect from Thursday and will last until mid-March.

Earlier on Wednesday, Italy had the dubious honor of being the worst-affected country from the coronavirus outside Asia, having overtaken Iran in terms of the number of deaths and infections from the virus.

The Germans do not fuck around with nomenclature.

R101 more like ‘Look, WHOs Not Talking'?

Could we get a Pence related title?

Like, ‘Pray the WuFlu Away’ or ‘Papa Don’t Preach... I’ve Contracted Coronavirus’ or again I’ll suggest & even more fitting this time ‘Mother, May I Sleep With the Chinese Delivery Man?’

Look WHOs coughing TOO

I dont like how these face masks look. Will it be offensive if I wear a burqa to make this COVID struggle more chic and fashionable?

Someone in my town has it but no one is talking. Could be my mailman, I would never know. No one says a word.

Again with the toilet paper! Is there more than one scat troll around here or what?! You people are obsessed!

So, if your neighbor is running a fever, would you invite them over?

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N.H. coronavirus patient breaks isolation, potentially exposing others

The first coronavirus patient in New Hampshire — an employee of Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center — defied instructions from public health officials to stay away from other people.

In a statement, the state Department of Health and Human Services said the patient attended an invitation-only private event Friday "despite having been directed to self-isolate."

The action prompted the state to issue "an official order of isolation to the first patient."

Most states have such rules. And breaking the rules may be punishable, depending on the state.

The CDC says most states regard breaking a quarantine order as a criminal misdemeanor.

[quote]it's funny watching all of the fools panicking and stockpiling.

We fools will have the last laugh, Dora Dumbfuck.

R134 Americans are fucking narcissistic idiots.

If anything, mass tragedies fortify people's irrational beliefs, R94.

CNN-There are now 137 coronavirus cases in the US

The 39year old woman who worked in IRAN tested positive, her husband tested negative. They both came back on the same plane...so it's kind of reassuring that even if you're on the same plane on someone, you may not get it...

[quote]Thirdly, these figures are based on Wuhan, which isn't a first world city. Poverty related illnesses and malnutrition (these people were eating snake meat for fuck's sake) made the victims far more likely to succumb to any virus.

R90, I've lived in and traveled extensively through China for the past 10 years. I can say with complete confidence that you. are. full. of. shit. Yes, China is a developing country in some ways but, in others, it's more advanced than the United States—the purported "greatest country in the world". The situation in the US will likely be worse than in China because most Americans believe they are exempt from the perils the rest of the world faces and, as our leaders have already demonstrated, our response to this crisis will be too little too late.

Kindly fuck off until you know what you're talking. And get a math tutor.

(R135) A paranoid fool and idiot.

⏳CORONA TIME 1:00PM EST

CASES : 95,406

DEATHS : 3,249

SERIOUS/CRITICAL : 6,848

NOTICE THAT THE NUMBERS ARE CLIMBING RAPIDLY

[quote]Most states have such rules. And breaking the rules may be punishable, depending on the state.

I should hope.

I think it will be worse in USA because people aren't gonna stick to quarantine. they gonna go out and infect people like that guy in new hampshire.

NYC is recalling students who are in study abroad programs and getting them back to stay in dorms for 14 days. There are 300 of them. They are gonna go out and party, not stay indoors for 14days and most young people don't have symptoms....so more people will be infected.

So the husband tested negative ........

For Now!

Spring Break Time. Do you really expect those partying college fools to skip the festivities? Even if in so called quarantine, somebody has to go out for booze, beer, and drug runs.

I know none of you cunts would be willingly caught dead in Flushing, NY, but now would be a good time not to be caught dead in Flushing, NY.

r84- that's only if you have had Chicken Pox as a kid. If not, don't get the Shingles vaccine.

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Financial Times:

The coronavirus outbreak has brought parts of the world’s shipping industry to the brink of paralysis, with disruption that began in China hitting shipping lanes on the other side of the world with no obvious correlation.

The sudden stop in economic activity has sent freight rates plunging on some lines, while rates on other lines have soared due to equipment shortages caused by the disruption.

“The world is shutting down,” said Patrick Berglund, chief executive of Xeneta, an Oslo-based provider of data on container shipping rates. “We are super worried about what is happening. What is different [from previous shocks to global trade] is that usually it’s just a corridor or two. Now it’s worldwide. Everyone is panicking.”

⏳Corona Time, USA 1:15pm EST

Cases: 137

New Cases: 9

Deaths: 9

Serious/Critical: 8

FUCK CHINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My local fancy pants yoga studio sent out a blanket email about what they're doing to help prevent the virus spread in their studio. It's hilarious. However, it is nearby a popular selfie wall with Asian tourists (the Paul Smith store).

R151 - hmmm...maybe that explains why my latest freight shipment was 75 dollars cheaper than usual...

^^The title should be changed to No Time Like the Present To Die.

We could do a whole Bond franchise thread titles...

Wash Your Goldfingers

10 deaths now per MSNBC

Here's a great tracking site for US/Canada cases, since the CDC is a dumpster fire.

R160, do you know where the US data in your link is coming from, if not from the CDC? Who's keeping a nationwide tally?

R160 That site is just compiling the number from US media reports. You can see the news article referenced in the table of confirmed cases.

CNN-Here are the next steps New York is taking due to coronavirus cases

==Officials are testing “a number” of people in the New York City law firm where the patient from Westchester, New York, works. Some tests are pending but none have come back positive.

==Eight employees of Lawrence Hospital, where the man first went before transferring to a New York City hospital, are being tested.

==The man's daughter attends SAR High School, which will continue to be closed. People who had contact with the individual should be on self-quarantine meaning stay at home and limit your exposure to people, through this Friday. If symptoms develop, individuals are encouraged to contact healthcare professionals.

==An associated synagogue CNN previously reported on will be closed through March 8 and Cuomo said individuals should be on self-quarantine as well, pending any developments.

==Yeshiva University — where the man's son goes to school — will be closed through at least this Friday.

CNN-Israel urges people to stop shaking hands to combat spread of coronavirus

Foreign nationals who have traveled from France, Germany, Spain, Austria, and Switzerland will soon be barred from entering Israel, unless they are able to self-quarantine for a period of 14 days, the Ministry of Health announced in a press conference. This decision will go into effect in the coming days, the Ministry said.

Israelis who return from these countries will have to self-quarantine at home for 14 days from the day they return. This rule will apply retroactively for people who have already returned from these countries.

Israel already prevents entry of foreign nationals who have been to China, Japan, Singapore, Hong Kong, Macau, South Korea, and Italy within the last 14 days. Any Israeli citizens returning from these destinations must self-quarantine for 14 days.

CNN- Canceling SXSW festival won't make the community safer, Austin health officials say

Hundreds of thousands of people from around the world attend the annual days-long multi-industry event comprised of conferences, panels and festivals, according to the SXSW website.

Health officials urged the public to follow personal hygiene practices like covering their sneezes and coughs and washing their hands.

Three cases in Saint Barthelemy, according to Johns Hopkins CSSE global map. Can you imagine the capita? What, 1% to 2% of population as confirmed cases?

CNN-1,000 people asked to self-quarantine in New York

Those individuals will be contacted by various health departments and provided guidance, Cuomo said.

“If anything we are being over cautious,” Cuomo said.

The temple, Young Israel, CNN reported on earlier this week has roughly 380 family congregants, its website said.

Westchester County Executive George Latimer previously advised the temple to halt all services due to exposure to the second New York coronavirus patient – adding that individuals who attended a funeral and a bat mitzvah on February 23 along with services on the 22 must self-quarantine.

A hotline has been established for people who have been asked to quarantine, Latimer said.

Those who have tested positive for the virus are being monitored by local health departments with regulation from the state, Cuomo said.

The infection ratio was 1:2 as of last week. This is not accounting for any known or unknown variables, other than positive test results in all 3 persons, within in the 1:2 ratio.

So if the ratio is reliable JUST based on positive test results, here’s what we’re looking at in ALL areas of the United States, where a positive patient has had others in their vicinity: for every one person infected, 2 are theoretically infected, which means that the two infected, expose and infect 4, those 4 expose and infect 8, and so on, and so on.

So just based on 137 reported infections, we can at the very least, believe with confidence, that 274 people on the US, have the Coronavirus. We have 9 confirmed, NOT KNOWN deaths in the US, as of today. So for every 137 confirmed infections, 9 people die. For every 274:18, 548:36, etc. We can expect at least 9 more deaths, and we have no idea how many people are currently infected and exposing others.

The only way to contain this is via local and state government. The CDC is not staffed well enough to cover “last hour” crisis, on a state to state level. The people who were trained to do this were all fired by Trump. So what we’re looking at, is the competency and efficiency in our local and state offices. Unfortunately, I live in a red state, and specifically, in Trump country, and have no faith in local government. Everyone here is in denial and/or unprepared.

I am so fucking passed right now. Even if this virus magically disappears within the next 24 hours, what Donald Trump and his administration have done in order to hobble the CDC or any federal personnel and departments, in order to sink money into funding more ICE officers, and whatever else, as well as to cut off a significant portion of personnel who are trained on specific sciences, just so that he can overturn, deregulate, and exploit wildlife areas that were protected by Obama’s federal protection designations, is criminal.

94% of supply chain lines are shut down, and this is affecting all markets in all countries. The results of non-preparedness will show up drastically in our last 2 quarters of 2020.

Oh, and here’s something else. So far, observation leads researchers to believe that this virus replicated and proliferates best in cold weather, so while we may experience an abatement in cases come summer, the likelihood of this rearing it’s ugly head again come this following winter, is pretty damn good. Just in time for November of 2020, when most Americans physically place themselves in designated voting stations with thousands of others throughout the day.

How fucking convenient. Hopefully, this works in the Democratic Party’s favor. We shall see.

R157

Live And Let Die: Mike Pence’s Coronavirus Task Force Mission Statement

From China With Love

Coronaviruses Are Forever

The Spore Who Killed Me

A Microscopic View To A Kill

License To Kill: The CDC Action Plan

Coronaeye or Coronapussy

Tomorrow You Might Die

The World Has Had Enough

Die Another Day, no actually today

Skyfall

Corona Royale

Quarantine of Solace

How about just Coronavirus Freakout 12?

R170 No, Cocksucker! We need a witty title or we might as well pack up, close up shop and head to Reddit with the retarded belching Frat boys or to LSA with the obese loud-mouth black whores.

AP:

Despite deaths, so far no shutdown orders in Seattle area

Then step up your game, asshole, at 171. Respectfully, the titles sound like a couch potato who wears mildewed laundry and covets star trek box sets.

R169, very creative!

Corona Royale

Quarantine of Solace

R173 oh okay

LMAO at having pissed off this fat ol Cocksucking Mary!

Coronavirus Freakout 12: So You Say You're A Cocksucker? Body Fluids & You.

OK, anyway, anyone else experiencing diarrhea?

"The Lung and the Breathless"

"Flu Keep Me Hanging On"

As much as I hate to give you all a peek into my stale, moth-eaten existence, I must say the last twenty posts have brightened my day.

First California coronavirus death confirmed in Placer County, health officials say

CNN-CDC expands coronavirus testing criteria to all US patients with a doctor’s order

The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention dramatically expanded the testing criteria for the novel coronavirus today. The CDC formally removed earlier restrictions that limited coronavirus testing of the general public to people in the hospital, unless they had a close contact with a confirmed coronavirus case.

According to the CDC, clinicians should now “use their judgment to determine if a patient has signs and symptoms compatible with COVID-19 and whether the patient should be tested.”

The new criteria formalizes Vice President Mike Pence’s announcement, made Tuesday night, that “any American can be tested (for coronavirus), no restrictions, subject to doctors’ orders.”

Unless a patient had close contact with a confirmed coronavirus patient, the earlier criteria limited testing to people who had been hospitalized with both a fever and respiratory symptoms.

Two coronavirus tests in the United States currently have Food and Drug Administration emergency use authorizations and are in use nationwide. These include CDC test kits, which have been distributed to public health laboratories across the country, and another test designed and used by New York state.

Under rules issued Feb. 29, the FDA is also allowing hospitals, private companies and laboratories to develop other diagnostic tests that can be used before the FDA issues an emergency use authorization.

I live in Europe and work for a company that trades over 1-500 million euro per day. Today we had a meeting with my boss about the spread. He said that it was nothing more than "a big flu" and that WE will all be fine because we are "all young and healthy ". Needless to say, I was shocked by his statement. He is spewing the company line. Neither he or the management team or HR know just how many of us have underlying medical conditions or have family or friends who could be impacted by our illness. Moreover he mentioned that they are preparing a back up plan that splits the team into several parts at emergency locations but does not include a scenario where the entire team is in self quarantine at home. Despite the many weeks of warning from China, we are not prepared, the world is not prepared for a worst case scenario.

The Department of Health and Human Services clarified that the United States has about 1%, not 10%, of the required respirator masks that would be needed for medical professionals if the COVID-19 outbreak were to erupt into a pandemic here.

Once in every generation, the plague shall fall among them. That’s what it says in the Book.

Seems like maybe you went a little too far this time.

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In Contagion the death rate is about 90%, you fool. Hardly the same.

The more cases are discovered, the lower that death rate will fall. Robust Americans are panicking because it killed a bunch of weak Chinese seniors who were malnourished and living on bush meat like snake. You're a bunch of pussies.

r187 yeah, too many are thinking:"OMG some old and people, mostly smokers, with heart and lung ailments living in a city with poor air quality and suffering for weeks and months before news breaks die at such-and-such a rate so obviously healthy nonsmokers under the age of 40 living in rural areas of countries with universal health care will die at the same rate! This makes sense to me because my source for info is some blue-checked Twitter account who reports nothing but the increment of confirmed cases and deaths worldwide!"

The Italian fatality rate is just as high.

Slate tries to calm you down.

[quote]COVID-19 Isn’t As Deadly As We Think

[quote] ....This is where the Diamond Princess data provides important insight. Of the 3,711 people on board, at least 705 have tested positive for the virus (which, considering the confines, conditions, and how contagious this virus appears to be, is surprisingly low). Of those, more than half are asymptomatic, while very few asymptomatic people were detected in China. This alone suggests a halving of the virus’s true fatality rate.

[quote] On the Diamond Princess, six deaths have occurred among the passengers, constituting a case fatality rate of 0.85 percent. Unlike the data from China and elsewhere, where sorting out why a patient died is extremely difficult, we can assume that these are excess fatalities—they wouldn’t have occurred but for SARS-CoV-2. The most important insight is that all six fatalities occurred in patients who are more than 70 years old. Not a single Diamond Princess patient under age 70 has died. If the numbers from reports out of China had held, the expected number of deaths in those under 70 should have been around four.

[quote] The data from the Diamond Princess suggest an eightfold lower mortality amongst patients older than 70 and threefold lower mortality in patients over 80 compared to what was reported in China initially. But even those numbers, 1.1 percent and 4.9 percent respectively, are concerning. But there’s another thing that’s worth remembering: These patients were likely exposed repeatedly to concentrated viral loads (which can cause worse illness). Some treatments were delayed. So even the lower CFR found on the Diamond Princess could have been even lower, with proper protocols. It’s also worth noting that while cruise passengers can be assumed to be healthy enough to travel, they actually tend to reflect the general population, and many patients with chronic illnesses go on cruises. So, the numbers from this ship may be reasonable estimates.

[quote] This all suggests that COVID-19 is a relatively benign disease for most young people, and a potentially devastating one for the old and chronically ill, albeit not nearly as risky as reported.

[quote]Yes, this disease is real. And, yes, there truly do appear to be vulnerable patients among us, those far more likely to develop critical illness from it. And that relatively small subset, if infected in high numbers, could add up to a tragically high number of fatalities if we fail to adequately protect them.

[quote]This still largely comes down to hygiene and isolation. But in particular, we need to focus on the right people and the right places. Nursing homes, not schools. Hospitals, not planes. We need to up the hygienic and isolation ante primarily around the subset of people who can’t simply contract SARS-CoV-2 and ride it out the way healthy people should be able to.

r187 calm down you jackass, no one is saying the death rate from a fictional movie is the same. Contagion is an excellent movie, cinematically. It also does pretty a good job displaying what a worse case scenario pandemic would look like.

This does seem to be adversely affecting seniors and those with existing respiratory and health issues, more than others. Which is typical for the flu.

I haven’t been tracking, but going from my memory, the diamond princess numbers aren’t changing as much as I would expect. Only 100 recovered, 600 still ill. They’ve had it for a while, right? But maybe they are just still clearing the virus? But 36 are serious/critical.

Also, I don’t think “only” 700-ish infected out of 3700-ish is that good when some of the 700 apparently managed to acquire it while under quarantine and confined to their staterooms.

That group is going to skew old, though. Eventually, that will be a very telling sample. But Drawing conclusions when only 106 cases are resolved (100 recovered, 6 dead) is premature.

[quote]it killed a bunch of weak Chinese seniors who were malnourished and living on bush meat like snake. You're a bunch of pussies.

R187

In reality, the Chinese do consume a lot of meat: most of it sourced from mega-factory farming. However, they consume pork mostly, then poultry, beef, and mutton. Snake is considered exotic to most Chinese, and those who do eat it certainly don't subsist on it as you claim. The Chinese population is no more malnourished than that of the US. But you're not the first ignorant loudmouth with a tiny world view to spew misinformation onto the Internet.

Wonder if the Great Orange One will get this? I always heard that he was a bit OCD. He must be reeling.

Lufthansa grounding 20% of its fleet. United cutting domestic flights by 10% for April/May and 20% internationally immediately. Just reported on msnbc.

A huge Conference my company does in june is being evaluated right now...might not happen.

Husband set up his six Bloomberg screens at home today. He’s in finance and working from home all day. JP Morgan already sent 1000 home to prepare yesterday. This is like a movie. I keep waking up in the morning thinking it was a dream.

[quote] canceling SXSW festival won't make the community safer, Austin health officials say

LOL, WHUT??

Of course it will. My god.

Chinatown in Manhattan must be deserted nowadays. I can now get a good table at the best Chinese restaurants in Chinatown.

Emerald City Comic Con is expected to cancel in Seattle at any moment now.

However, I do think it's a good point that fewer than 20% of passengers on a disease ridden cruise ship came down with the virus and only 6 or 7 people died. You'd expect those numbers to be much higher in a closed environment like that if it was very contagious and very deadly.

Medical screener at LAX tests positive for coronavirus.

Anyone feeling kind of sick yet?

My lumbago's acting up, r201.

CNN-Truck carrying toilet paper in Australia bursts into flames as coronavirus spurs bulk-buying

A spokesperson for the Queensland Fire and Emergency confirmed to CNN that "the truck was carrying toilet paper." The spokesperson added that firefighters were able to contain the fire upon arrival.

Why this matters: Bulk-buying has struck Australia as fears of shortages caused by the coronavirus outbreak continue to cause worried shoppers to stock up on basic necessities such as toilet paper.

On Wednesday, major Australian supermarket chain Woolworths announced that customers would only be allowed to purchase four packs of toilet paper per each customer transaction in order to "ensure more customers have access to the product."

CNN-Japan records its biggest one-day increase in coronavirus infections

Japan recorded 33 new cases of coronavirus on Wednesday, its biggest one-day increase so far, according to data released by its Ministry of Health.

The country's total now stands at 1,023 cases, of which 706 are from the Diamond Princess cruise ship.

CNN-Coronavirus cases confirmed on another cruise ship

The ship under investigation, the Grand Princess, is getting ready to dock in San Francisco after a “small cluster” of coronavirus cases were traced back to the ship’s previous voyage, according to a statement from Princess Cruises.

CNN-Ireland confirms 4 more cases of novel coronavirus

Ireland announced on Wednesday that four people from the same family tested positive for coronavirus, raising the total number of infections in the country to six, according to a statement released by the Irish government.

The patients are two men and two women who are all "associated with travel from the same affected area in Northern Italy.”

CNN-Starbucks has announced it is temporarily suspending the use of personal cups and tumblers at its stores to help prevent the spread of coronavirus

The Arnold Schwarzenegger Sports Festival in Columbus is cancelled

[quote] The 32nd annual Arnold Sports Festival opens Thursday. Bodybuilders, martial artists, medieval fighters — among others — hailing from more than 80 nations are to compete through Sunday at the Greater Columbus Convention Center, the Ohio Expo Center and other venues across central Ohio.

[quote] That means more than 200,000 people who were going to descend on Downtown will not.

[quote] There is $53 million in calculated economic benefits for the city, said Jenn Cartmille, director of marketing for the Greater Columbus Sports Commission. This is the event's 32nd year.

WSJ-A New York City public-school teacher showed signs of the coronavirus after returning from Italy and spending several days in the classroom

San Francisco Chronicle @sfchronicle · 7m JUST IN: Cruise ship with 2,500 onboard — some of whom have been exposed to the coronavirus and are experiencing flu-like symptoms — is being held off of California coast for testing.

KFDM News @kfdmnews · 3m BREAKING NEWS: A Fort Bend County man has tested positive for coronavirus, according to media reports. The presumptive case is the first in the state of Texas.

Here we go round the prickly pear...

ULTRA Music Festival CANCELLED in Miami

Most of us will not contract, let alone die from COVID-19. Trump's callous behavior is preventing serious work to track any mutation of the disease that makes more deadly or more contagious. However, other countries are doing that work now, with better funded public health and better care for sick. The US is not essential to that effort unless it develops its own virulent strain.

This is not THE BIG ONE. It will come, no doubt as humanity stresses the environment more and more. Like most organic system, the Earth seeks equilibrium.

Meanwhile...

I kind of hope that this is the event that causes the healthcare bubble to collapse in the United States. Our healthcare system is broken and this is probably the only thing that will force it to be corrected for future generations.

Was thinking the same thing a few days ago, r215. What a shame it took something like this 'march of death' virus to bring home the health care situation.

R202 Lumbago, you pussy! When I had my ulcers I was... farting razor blades.

A second Princess ship has run into some trouble. A passenger died (not on the cruise) and there's a small cluster of cases associated with the ship. They were ordered to head to San Francisco, but won't be allowed to actually dock until cleared.

DLers! do NOT go on cruises!!!

2500 people quarantined on the ship mentioned in R218 now. And quite a few people testing positive for the virus and showing symptoms.

R219-I'm going on a cruise in July. It will stop mostly in Spain. You don't think this CORONA thing will fizzle out by then?

Well, it's not like it's a cholera outbreak in Venice.

[quote] WSJ-A New York City public-school teacher showed signs of the coronavirus after returning from Italy and spending several days in the classroom

STOP GOING TO ITALY, GODDAMN IT.

A ton of NYC gays went to Milan and London fashion weeks while this was breaking out, came back and have no doubt been spit-swapping, sucking and fucking coronavirus into the populace like crazy.

The magazine industry could literally be dead within weeks.

[quote]The magazine industry could literally be dead within weeks.

It's been dead for years, gramps

There's no where to run and no where to hide living in the big coastal cities, is there?

I live just outside a coastal city (11 cases, three recovered). I apologized to my neighbours for forgetting my gloves, nobody's wearing them. I 'll be heading to Seattle tomorrow, and damn straight I'm wearing gloves and bringing my disinfectant.

R227 Good luck. I hope your plan is: Drive in, do what you got to do and get out.

r228 thanks. I have to go to a hospital, so I'm taking lots of reasonable precautions and they'll have hand sanitizer stations everywhere. I read somewhere that banknotes can carry the virus, so I'll use a debit card and disinfect my coins.

Today I got my mail out of the mailbox with a paper towel. If bank notes can carry the virus, letters can, too.

The first case in Texas was in Austin, a few hours from me. Tonight, the second case was announced in Fort Bend County, just west of Houston, about 120 miles from me. It's getting close enough and time to go shopping!

[quote]I'm going on a cruise in July. It will stop mostly in Spain. You don't think this CORONA thing will fizzle out by then?

R221 How many times are you going to ask that question? If you're serious and not just trolling, the answer is there most likely won't be a cruise to go on.

Sylvia Browne was a psychic who died in 2013. in 2008 she wrote a book and this prediction was in it.

Interesting, R233.

But a quick disappearance of a pandemic has happened before. The Spanish flu of 1918-19 also vanished abruptly.

⏳ CORONA TIME 10:30 PM EST

CASES : 95,481

DEATHS : 3,285

SERIOUS/CRITICAL : 6,420

From The Guardian:

In China, a 36-year-old man who had been confirmed to have the virus and was discharged from a hospital in Wuhan on 26 February has died, according to the Chinese publication the Paper, who cited his wife. The man suddenly became ill on 2 March and died after going to the hospital. The cause of death was respiratory failure caused by Covid-19.

China has been noting daily increases in the number of people “cured” or discharged from hospitals after being confirmed to have the virus. But, after several cases of released patients testing positive again, authorities in Hubei ordered that released patients be quarantined for another 14 days.

Beijing Ditan Hospital in Beijing has meanwhile found that a patient who tested positive for Covid-19 has suffered viral encephalitis caused by the virus, adding to evidence the infections can cause damage to patients’ nervous systems.

My comment: This is alarming. I could be mistaken but my understanding is that even people showing no signs and little or no symptoms that a chest x-ray will reveal infection on the lungs. This muddies that water for anyone infected with the virus - maybe more so in people who were very ill but maybe even people who weren't. Any experts out there who can comment on this?

[quote] 'Recovered' coronavirus patient dies after being discharged

[quote] A 36-year-old man in the Chinese virus epicentre of Wuhan has died five days after being discharged, said news site SCMP quoting Chinese state media outlet The Paper.

[quote] The Wuhan health commission said the direct cause of his death was Covid-19.

⏳ CORONA TIME IN THE USA 10:30 PM EST

CASES : 159

DEATHS : 11

CRITICAL/SERIOUS : 8

^ X-posted with R236

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⏳ CORONA TIME IN CHINA 10:45 PM EST

CASES : 80,430

DEATHS : 3, O12

SERIOUS/CRITICAL : 5,952

Did anyone locate that secret lab in China yet?

I think the guy in the story at R240 sounds like an attention seeking liar. Was he ever actually diagnosed?

I'd like to be a fly on the wall of the Oval Office.

Will fucking Shen Yun begin performances in NYC tomorrow night? I doubt ticket sales have been brisk.

Scary.

Very, very, Scary.

😘 I'm saying my rosary tonight for DataLoungers everywhere.

[quote]Put it this way, this is a very good time to take advantage of the digital era and where possible telecommute, shop and access entertainment online. Having delivery service available for basics like food and toilet paper could be a big help for those who can afford it.

Having food or products delivered requires a multitude of other people to still go to work, still interact with people, get exposed to and spread the virus (not to mention possibly contaminate the things that will be delivered to you). If your office job tells you to work from home indefinitely, surely the situation is bad enough that other workers won't be going to work, either. I keep hearing otherwise intelligent people say things like this. Either they can't grasp the magnitude of this or they're just self-centered.

No salad bar.

I guessing the Baked 🥔 Potato Bar is a no-go, too.

I always dismiss [italic] every [/italic] conspiracy theory, except in this case, in which I think the government knows more than they’re telling us. Not due to incompetence, which is true but not what I am referring to.

I believe this because there are hints of it on the news, and what else would prompt China to shutdown their economy?

We’ve already been warned that this is very serious and unprecedented. I’ve never heard that I should stockpile food before! So there is, perhaps, no harm done by not telling us more, they might reason.

In addition, keeping the real seriousness from us might avoid even more panic.

Since the numbers outside of China seem to be doubling every 40 to 50 hours, with no slow down in sight, the number of infections and deaths will 5 times HIGHER by 15 March.

That means 400,000 people infected, 15,000 dead, and pandemic cluster outbreak’s throughout the entire world.

I always wonder about the very seriously ill. They never seem to report that. Likewise, if there is permanent damage in some or all of the survivors.

R221, if you value your life, don't go. Did you not read about the Diamond Princess cruise ship? And now this other cruise ship? If someone on your cruise gets the virus, you are gonna be stuck on that fucking floating coffin for weeks....

Anna Wintour is supposedly self isolating...

I see many "influencers" all over Italy and France going to fashion shows...I hope they don't infect us when they come back.

R232- NO. I'm NOT trolling. At least I didn't pay for my airfare yet.

R232- NO. I'm NOT trolling. At least I didn't pay for my airfare yet.

R253, There are three or four affected cruse ships now. R221 is either a troll or a moron.

Oh my...now I'M FREAKING OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fucking hell, that 36 year old man died wtf???

r258, In other words, when it was the rest of our lives at risk you didn't give a shit.

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Many of you posting here would not have made it through the 1980s in any major city in the United States. If you are freaked out about coronavirus, you would have really hated the very, very, very slow response from the federal government regarding AIDS. You would have had no ability to endure the 15 long death-ridden years from the inception of the epidemic to the first effective anti-viral treatment. Don't ask about all the memorial services.

Get a grip, girls. There are things out there in the cold cruel world that we do not control. Keep your wits about you. Approach it with some grace. And wash your hands.

My sister has plans to fly to Portugal for 2 days, to some city where a hotel is already quarantined. Then to the Canary Islands for a week at a beach house with friends. R221, I’ll just copy and past what I wrote her:

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Airplanes recirculate air, so if anyone onboard has it, you will probably be exposed and have to rely on your natural immunity. Also, if an infected person flew hours before on the same plane, then that’s a risk, too.

Plus, you don’t want to be caught in an unexpected quarantine of your plane or ship, which is happening in many places already.

Or, risk getting sick in a foreign country with an unknown quality of care. Also, most insurance plans, like Medicare, do not cover you when out of the country, and care that is free for their citizens, abroad, is not free for Americans. You should check on that if you go.

And what kind of vacation would this be, anyway? Will you go touring, lol?

I would wait to the last possible minute that you can cancel without losing money. But I’d cancel. If I got sick, I’d want to be at home where I’d be most comfortable. I think I will have my hands full at home, trying to breath and all.

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R257, my sister skimps by. She lives reasonably well, but she’s extremely frugal. She doesn’t want to cancel her trip because she has no trip insurance and she saved a long time for this. Maybe R221 feels similarly? Oh, she is a moron, certainly.

These people are so selfish, what if they catch the virus and bring it back and infect others? She might die from it too...you never know, how much is your life worth?

Also DLers, Condoms are made in china. better stock up if you use them!

Hey just joining this thread.

I’m taking a Princess Cruise of California in 24 days. What are the chances it will be cancelled do you think?

This sucks. I can’t imagine being quarantined in a state room with my mother for a week,

R221, Spain is better experienced without the constrictions of a ship. Wait until this passes, and spend time roaming about...visit the museums, beaches, architecture, and food. That being said, my ass is still going to Costa Rica this weekend.

I forgot to add that United announced today that they will let you change without a fee if you are supposed to travel in the month of March. I assume that many carriers will follow.

“The Arnold Schwarzenegger Sports Festival in Columbus is cancelled”

Oh no!

[quote] R265: This sucks. I can’t imagine being quarantined in a state room with my mother for a week,

More like a month, though they will probably fly you to quarantine in the US after a week or so.

See R262.

Damn I can’t believe this has escalated so much since this afternoon. I talked to my mom today and she said everything should be fine with our cruise but after reading this thread I’m feeling like the concerned troll.

Interesting, this was the first flight I ever booked with travel insurance. If the cruise is cancelled, I may just still fly out to LA and see friends.

Serious advice needed: would you cancel if you were me?

[quote]they will probably fly you to quarantine in the US after a week or so.

Which is exactly how we got into this muff-up.

family wedding in Seatac.

If I were you, R270, I wouldn't get on the plane to Los Angeles.

I'm a great deal more concerned about the recirculating air in a sealed airliner than I am about a cruise ship.

What concerns me are the stories about people getting BILLED for getting quarantined. BITCH, if you are going to lock me in a tiny room alone, you better not send me a bill. I can’t even imagine. I understand that the hotel has bills, but I didn’t ask to be there. Trump should pick up the bill.

Well I’m going to LA come hell or coronavirus. I bequeath all my autographed Patti LuPone posters to Datalounge.

Except the Evita one. She comes with.

[quote] R32: This virus is too new and we barely know anything about it, other than it shows to be consistent in that it’s highly contagious, and easily transmissible, which means one should assume it is airborne, since the odds suggest it most likely is.

They were originally saying it was transmissible through air, not just on sneeze droplets and similar. More lately, I’ve been hearing that it requires a sneeze or cough or similar. I don’t know what to think or who to believe.

R245 the Shen Yun performers are not from China but rather from NYC.

Shen Yun is a front for the anti gay Fulun Gong cult as well as the Epoch Times and are based right here in the USA and are virulently anti China politically.

I was quarantined in the hospital for five days, ten years ago. Technically involuntarily, though I didn’t complain or try to leave. The bill was $32,000. I had good insurance so I paid nothing, but hospitals will bill for that.

[quote] R67: I'm not a doctor, but I see pictures of people buying industrial sized boxes of Eggo waffles and toilet paper and I have no idea what these people are thinking

One should stock up on things you like, because your neighbors are going to panic, and the stores might not have what you want when you want it.

Suspected case in my little metro.

No other details.

The parking lot at Wal Mart looked INSANE as I drove by this evening.

If you have coronavirus, you should go to a Trump rally...a Floridian said that. I would certainly try.

If you have coronavirus, you should go to a Trump rally...a Floridian said that. I would certainly try.

We have it in our town and there is no panic. We only panic for hurricanes.

We have it in our town and there is no panic. We only panic for hurricanes.

The coronavirus outbreak has led India to restrict the export of dozens of drugs including paracetamol and various antibiotics. Of course, antibiotics don't have any affect on a viral infection, but they can treat secondary bacterial infections that result from a viral infection.

Apologies if this has been posed already.

Connor Reed, the British teacher in Wuhan, is a fucking IDIOT. Who was diagnosed with pneumonia and was gravely ill and refused to take the antibiotics he needed because he might "become resistant to them" (nonsensical grammar) and need them if he were ever to get "really sick" later in life. STUPID TWAT. Glad he survived but he's his own worst enemy and shouldn't be teaching young people. Oh, wait, I guess even the Chinese figured that out because he's been an administrator not a teacher for awhile.

R258, right now it seems that the fatality rate for those in their 30s is very low. Not zero, as that poor 36-year-old shows us, but still quite low. Some young people die from the flu, too.

I’m working from home permanently.

They have no choice. They can’t train anyone to do what I do in this kind of situation. I can do everything I need from my home system.

I’ll be going into the office for a few hours tomorrow to clarify everything with my superiors, and I will recommend that they find a way of sending half of the employees home to work remotely by the weekend, and then wait and see.

Big boss has finally grasped the severity of the disruptions I’ve been trying to communicate for the last two weeks. If he takes my suggestions, only a handful of people will remain in the office 10 days from now.

Social distancing is the only way to dramatically slow the spread of this disease.

Traveling Gays, another thing to be concerned about is that you may not be allowed back into the country. Trump was reportedly furious when he learned that the Americans on the Japanese ship were flown back to the US for quarantine. That was before he took credit for the decision to do so. Can you believe that liar? Despicable. Under an emergency declaration, he might be able to block re-entry.

Yale counselors told my friend that if she travelled to Spain for Spring Break she would likely face quarantine upon return.

They canceled, and now Spain has over 200 infections.

R288 Yep. Distance from people is the simplest form of protection. This virus transmits most easily where there's lots of social activities and interactions.

R174, All the Bond ones so far are great, but the best is your "Quarantine of Solace."

R262, At one time or another, my husband and I as American citizens had free medical treatment in Amsterdam (emergency ophthalmic exam) Lisbon, Oporto (Portugal) (food poisoning), and somewhere in France and England.

Despite all the media coverage, I've still seen people of Asian background coughing openly, without covering their mouths, in Australia.

Are they clueless or just selfish or uncouth?

R262 to add to what R294 I was hospitalized in Germany for a couple of days. The bill was less than $500 and they waited patiently while my insurance took almost a year to pay. It was two decades ago and another country, but that is the one thing I wouldn’t worry about with your sister’s trip.

Ah. There are 62 passengers (not counting the crew) about the Grand Princess who were also aboard when the fellow who died was there. And they have 21 people, split between passengers and crew, who are symptomatic.

First case in New Jersey

Testing is being covered by your health insurance.

The Monster's here! The Dark Man's here! Bring out your dead!

⏳CORONA TIME 8:00 AM EST

CASES : 96,644

DEATHS : 3308

CRITICAL/SERIOUS : 6421

There seems to be 2 strains, L and S, one being more virulent than the other. If you're interested in the details I love the daily videos from Dr John Campbell. His latest one is about the two strains (linked below).

Maybe the poor 36yo man who was released succumbed to the other strain ?

[quote]Airplanes recirculate air, so if anyone onboard has it, you will probably be exposed and have to rely on your natural immunity.

Dr. Ezekiel Emmanuel (Rahm's brother) told Anderson Cooper the other day that the virus is not spread by air and the recirculation of air on planes poses no risk.

The passenger coughing on the seat next to you, however ...

WSJ: Around the world, doctors are being stretched to the limit. Short on supplies and sleep, they’re being asked to stop a global pandemic that no one fully understands. Adding to that strain, they’re risking their own health while they diagnose cases and attend to sick patients—along with the health of their spouses, children and other close family members.

With the virus now growing more quickly outside China than inside, it’s a problem other countries will increasingly face.

In China, more than 3,000 doctors have been infected, according to official data, and at least 22 have died. Some medical professionals believe the numbers are even higher, adding uncertainty for doctors elsewhere confronting the virus. Untold numbers of family members have fallen ill.

Chinese doctors are working shifts of 10 hours or more. Many stay in the same hazmat suits the entire time, without food, water or bathroom breaks. Disrobing to eat or go to the bathroom could risk exposure. Medical workers are requesting psychological help to try to deal with the stress.

Infectious-disease doctors around the world are trained to handle highly contagious illnesses, and know the risks. But the current outbreak is spreading so quickly that it’s forcing hospitals to deploy staff with limited experience in infectious diseases and, sometimes, insufficient gear to keep them safe. Some hospitals can’t find enough staff willing to take on the risk.

Much more at link.

“She was the most beautiful woman...”

This one's going out to R221 and everyone else booked for a ride on a plague ship.

[quote]“She was the most beautiful woman...”

It is so weird. I was talking on the phone with her only yesterday about how we should build that wall bigger, stronger, faster, and boom just like that, the flu. Sad.

New Singapore research shows coronavirus lingers in rooms and toilets but disinfectants kill it

WASHINGTON (AFP) - New research from Singapore published on Wednesday (March 4) showed that patients with the coronavirus extensively contaminate their bedrooms and bathrooms, underscoring the need to routinely clean high-touch surfaces, basins and toilet bowls.

The virus was however killed by twice-a-day cleaning of surfaces and daily cleaning of floors with a commonly used disinfectant - suggesting that current decontamination measures are sufficient as long as people adhere to them.

(...)

[They] looked at the cases of three patients who were held in isolation rooms between late January and early February.

They collected samples from their rooms on five days over a two-week period.

The room of one patient was sampled before routine cleaning, while the rooms of the other two patients were sampled after disinfection measures.

The patient whose room was sampled before cleaning had the mildest symptoms of the three, only experiencing a cough. The other two had moderate symptoms: both had coughing and fever, one experienced shortness of breath and the other was coughing up mucus.

Despite this disparity, the patient whose room was sampled before cleaning contaminated 13 of 15 room sites tested, including a chair, the bed rail, a glass window, the floor, and light switches.

Three of the five toilet sites were also contaminated, including the sink, door handle and toilet bowl - more evidence that stool can be a route of transmission.

Air samples tested negative, but swabs taken from air exhaust outlets were positive - which suggests that virus-laden droplets may be carried by air flows and deposited on vents.

The two rooms that were tested after cleaning had no positive results.

President Trump believes the World Health Organization’s coronavirus fatality rate is incorrect.

‘I think 3.4% is really a false number,” he told Sean Hannity on his Fox News show. “This is just my hunch, but based on a lot of conversations with a lot of people that do this because a lot of people will have this and it’s very mild. They get better very rapidly. They don’t even see a doctor. They don’t even call a doctor. You never even hear about those people so you can’t put them down in the category of the overall population in terms of this coronavirus flu, or virus. You just can’t do that.”

“So if we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that just get better just by sitting around, or even going to work — some of them go to work — but they get better and then when you do have a death, like you had in the state of Washington, like you had one in California, I believe you had one in New York, you know all of a sudden it seems like 3% or 4%, which seems like a very high number, as opposed to a fraction of 1%. But, again, they don’t know about the easy cases.”

R307. See, what did I tell you bitches?

For R301 & others: to follow you shall find a link to the Oxford article for further reading, which discusses it a bit more in depth .

For R301 & others: to follow you shall find a link to the Oxford article for further reading, which discusses it a bit more in depth .

I know you meant well, R298, but it is not correct that testing will be covered by insurance. Pence has some control over Medicare and Medicaid, as well as the insurance offered under the Affordable Care Act. But that's the extent of it.

Pence has no power over private employer sponsored health insurance plans. If you get your health insurance through your employer, you are probably not covered for testing for Covid-19. This is a huge impediment to controlling this virus. This week, New York state passed legislation to cover these expenses that are unreimbursed by private health insurance. But if you live in the 49 other states, you may be on the hook, unless the federal government acts to cover these expenses.

CNN-Malaysia confirms 7 additional coronavirus cases

CNN-3 new cases of coronavirus confirmed in British Columbia

CNN-Singapore confirms 2 new cases of coronavirus

Stock market's tanking again.

ALWAYS close the toilet lid after flushing, and face away from the toilet. There are shit germs everywhere..

CNBC: Italy extends measures to halt the spread of the coronavirus

As well as closing schools and universities, Italy has introduced a wider range of measures to counter the spread of the coronavirus. These include the suspension of public and private events that entail any public crowding, as the government advises that people keep a meter’s distance from each other.

The government has also said that Series A football championship and competitive sporting events will take place behind closed doors until April 3; it also advised that the elderly or those with underlying health conditions should stay at home. Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte’s plan also envisages a 50% increase in intensive care beds, and a 100% increase in respiratory and infectious disease wards

After flushing, R315? Close it before flushing.

thanks for that post about disinfecting the room. I've been doing that.

Also on NBC, the doctor said you can use bleach diluted with water to clean because wipes are all sold out everywhere...probably cheaper too.

"For the love of God", Joe is "hopeful that Vice-President Pence and other health care officials in that administration...."

*

Why It's Not A Time For Trump's Hunches On Coronavirus | Morning Joe | MSNBC

Where is the concerned Coronavirus response team mon?

We need everyone onboard.

R312 call your insurance company with your concerns. Seriously. You are insistent (speculating) that it won't be covered, (and have ZERO proof of this) yet they are all saying it will be covered.

r320, last I heard she had a high fever and a really bad cough.

[quote]Despicable. Under an emergency declaration, he might be able to block re-entry.

Unlikely. They could suspend air travel and gradually bring people home into quarantine but to make them homeless... political suicide.

[quote]Airplanes recirculate air, so if anyone onboard has it, you will probably be exposed and have to rely on your natural immunity.

Most aircraft refresh air every twenty minutes... using heap filters. You are not likely to get this through the air on an aircraft.

Trump never knows when to shut his mouth and listen.

For a president with the highest IQ of any other President in the history of the United States, he sure is freaking stupid.

Because Trump is such a chronic pathological liar, he assumes that everyone else is, too.

R301

Dr. John Campbell needs to be the Director of WHO.

Lovely man. He’s been invaluable over the last month.

The first confirmed case in NY was a woman who worked in Iran as a health care worker. She traveled back to NY with her husband, also a health care worker in Iran, I'm assuming they sat together on the plane, they were on the same flight. She tested positive, he tested negative. So maybe they were careful since they both worked in health care, who knows.

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Are you kidding about the airplanes? They are so disgusting and full of germs and if you think they clean them thoroughly between flights then you are living in 1968.

Once it hits the grindr circuit then the numbers will skyrocket.

R321, don't just reflexively jump to being an apologist so that your little world will feel more calm.

Margot Sanger-Katz of the NY Times had written specifically about the problems inherent in Mike Pence's uninformed comments about insurance coverage for testing.

CNN-An Australian newspaper has printed an extra eight pages to be used as toilet paper after coronavirus fears prompted customers to bulk buy supplies, leaving some supermarket shelves bare.

(lololololol)

I don’t think they will close the borders anytime soon. I say this because so many rich kids and families are going on spring break soon. Trump isn’t going to strand thousands of Americans in Mexico, especially with the high crime rate down there. It would be a nightmare. Those rich kid’s parents are his supporters.

The Wall Street Journal---

"Go home and wash your hands." "Please disperse now." "Don't go out and party."

Chinese authorities are deploying drones equipped with cameras and loudspeakers to scold citizens as part of their strategy to tackle the spread of the coronavirus.

Reuters @Reuters · 9m A researcher in China has designed a robotic arm on wheels that can perform ultrasounds and take mouth swabs.

[quote]Chinese authorities are deploying drones equipped with cameras and loudspeakers to scold citizens as part of their strategy to tackle the spread of the coronavirus.

Can you imagine if they did this in the US? I think they'd be more than a few AK47s taking out the drones.

CNN-German pharmacies have been given permission by the country's health ministry to mix disinfectant solutions themselves because of shortages due to coronavirus.

NYC Mayor...I'm not sure if I believe what that woman is saying..."prolonged contact" that's BS, if someone infected sneezes on you, it takes 2 seconds.

R331 IBC says it's covered for me.

Take it up with your employer if they gave you a shitty plan..

forgot to link the video...

[quote]Are you kidding about the airplanes? They are so disgusting and full of germs and if you think they clean them thoroughly between flights then you are living in 1968.

I am speaking specifically about the air.

"Airplanes work on a 50/50 share of internal and external air, and the air is never static....There are between 12 to15 air changes in an hour and 25 to 30 cycles through a HEPA filter,” he said.

The filters used to clean airplane air are of the same quality used in operating rooms. These HEPA filters can capture very small particles, including the majority of viruses and bacteria. The outside air is naturally sterile, because of the atmospheric conditions at altitude."

The surfaces should be assumed to be a complete mess. I flew out on vacation Saturday and the guy opposite me was wiping down his entire space. He kindly offered me a couple. (I have a friend who does this routinely... used to think he was nuts. Now, not so much.).I'll be wiping them down on return and am glad at this point I am sitting alone in my row.

Believe you're doomed breathing on a plane if you want, but you're not. The risk is surfaces, like the subway, like at Subway, like the grocery store or anywhere else.

When the woman who joined the virus team was introduced the other day she was so happy, smiling and thanking Pence for bringing her on. She had just flown in from Africa. When she was standing behind Pence yesterday during the briefing she was Not a happy camper. She was angry and I knew she was pissed because of all the things they are hiding from us. AND they are hiding a lot of numbers and such because they don't want the stock market affected.

If one does not need to travel then they are taking their life in their hands as well as other lives. No one should be traveling until 30 days after this virus has been declared over. It may be a huge inconvenience and may cause a loss of some money but that's life. If this is the biggest problem one ever has to face them one should consider themselves lucky.

If people spent all their time worrying about others and how they could affect them, instead of worrying about themselves, then this virus would be over in a flash.

[quote]call your insurance company with your concerns. Seriously. You are insistent (speculating) that it won't be covered, (and have ZERO proof of this) yet they are all saying it will be covered.

R312 appears to be correct, R321. I checked my own insurance (Kaiser Permanente) as well as Blue Cross Blue Shield in three other states, and all say some variation of this:

[quote]Yes, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts will cover any any clinically appropriate health care service related to the coronavirus. [bold]Your particular plan’s co-pay deductible and other cost sharing will apply.[/bold]

In other words, if a person has good insurance, no problem. Those with high deductibles will have to pay. This means that people who cannot afford their copay will be potentially less likely to seek testing and treatment, and are more likely to be disease spreaders. This is INSANE for a country that claims to be the best at everything. The US is an absolute dump and is about to get what it deserves. Too bad it'll be the 99% who will suffer most.

R342, between your psychic abilities and groundbreaking findings on virology, glad you're not in charge of anything.

[quote]There are 62 passengers (not counting the crew) about the Grand Princess who were also aboard when the fellow who died was there. And they have 21 people, split between passengers and crew, who are symptomatic.

USA Today: The current cruise was scheduled to arrive in San Francisco yesterday, but will not return to port until testing can take place. Test kits are being flown onto the ship for its 3,500+ passengers and crew. More than 20 passengers and crew members have developed symptoms consistent with COVID-19.

[quote]Qi do wonder if those on PrEp have an advantage...

R328, [bold]PrEP[/bold] is either Truvada or Descovy, both of which are combinations of different nucleoside analog reverse transcriptase inhibitors, and have no effect on coronavirus. The HIV drugs that are being studied are part of an older class called protease inhibitors.

You'll now be able to get tested at your neighborhood Quest diagnostics location.

I wonder why Trump didn't choose the Surgeon General instead of Pence to lead the Coronavisus problem.

USA Today:

Coronavirus death rate is 3.4%, World Health Organization says, Trump says 'hunch' tells him that's wrong

[quote]Coronavirus death rate is 3.4%, World Health Organization says, Trump says 'hunch' tells him that's wrong

I never knew Trump called VP Pence "Hunch".

It's short for Honeybunch, r350.

Even Iceland has 34 cases at this point.

All Amazon employees in Seattle required to work from home. When it hits the warehouses, the whole game changes.

One hundred new cases in one week in the UK. No deaths here yet, though.

[quote]All Amazon employees in Seattle required to work from home. When it hits the warehouses, the whole game changes.

Indeed. As this has unfolded, it's become apparent that the average American simply can't conceive of an interruption to their way of life, much less it coming to a stop altogether. I keep hearing and reading people's excitement at the prospect of working from home, myopically assuming everything else will be functioning at normal capacity, with workers at the ready to prep and deliver their meals and supplies.

Yes, R355! That’s what I don’t get. If everyone is quarantined, that will affect, well, everything. It’s not like we’ll all be able to sit home just enjoying the “mod cons.”

New York has 22 confirmed cases. Two in NYC, one on Long Island and 18 in Westchester. Eight of the Westchester cases are tied to the attorney in New Rochelle, but they don't know where he was exposed to it.

Whoa, I spoke too soon @ R354

Its been said that during a time of war people are more likely to vote for an incumbent. If this gets worse would people be more likely to vote for the idiot we have?

London now has 25 cases with more expected as everyone travels to work crushed into the tube, bus or overland train.

People rarely listen to good advice. It’s easy to give up on others, and just say, “fuck “em”. The best lesson that came out of Trump becoming POTUS, is that I was reminded that people make stupid choices, based on unrecognized biases, protest, and even engage reckless behavior, just to fuck others over, even if it means they also go down. That lesson applies here, regarding containment of infectious disease. I will bet large on that assumption, every day, no matter what.

I’m no doctor. I’m just MAYBE pragmatic enough to know that I lose nothing by mitigating risk as high, for the next 30-60 days, tops. I came to these conclusions on a calculator. It’s that fucking simple.

If you can afford loss of any sort, go ahead, get on a plane or a boat within the next few weeks. If you are immune compromised, reconsider. Ask your life insurance adjuster. Seriously. And if y’all act as if though this is not an airborne infectious disease, before all other forms of transmission, then you probably know very little about infectious diseases that are airborne, or started off as airborne.

The Coronavirus is not going to destroy humanity. It is, however, going to take out at least 100 or more Americans, and that is an EXTREMELY conservative estimate, as I believe numbers will reach about 800- 1,000, within 30-45 days, or less. I hope it’s less, and I hope I’m wrong, but I doubt it.

Americans are stupid as fuck, arrogant, and will get on planes, trains, ships and come back home to infect others, just because we can, and because we are selfish.

Anyhow, decent video at link. Specialists who actually know of what they speak, speak, and do so with pragmatism.

1h ago 17:53

Lorenzo Tondo Lorenzo Tondo Some 3,296 people are now infected with the coronavirus in Italy, 590 more than Wednesday, and 148 people have died, emergency commissioner and civil protection chief Angelo Borrelli said on Wednesday.

The World Health Organization called on all nations to “pull out all the stops” to fight the COVID-19 coronavirus as it continues to spread outside of China.

“This epidemic can be pushed back but only with a coordinated and comprehensive approach that engages the entire machinery of government,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said during a press briefing at the agency’s headquarters in Geneva. “We’re calling on every country to act with speed, scale and clear-minded determination.”

Tedros said world health officials are “deeply concerned” about the increasing number of countries reporting cases, especially those with weaker health-care systems. He’s also worried that some countries aren’t taking this seriously enough or have decided that there’s nothing they can do to curb local outbreaks.

It has to go through the same life cycles it went through in China. China slowed it down by imposed, mandatory quarantines. We won’t do that, so we will probably peak hard and high, within 2-4 more weeks. Then we start going back down. Summer will increase that timeline, and momentum of lower infection rates and deaths. However, expect re-emergence by Winter of 2020.

Time is on our side, if and when Winter of 202 brings COVID19 back. Vaccines may be widely available by then. I actually expect it, and vaccines.

[quote]Americans are stupid as fuck, arrogant, and will get on planes, trains, ships and come back home to infect others, just because we can, and because we are selfish.

China has managed to begin containing the outbreak because its population is willing to comply with orders and follow the advice from experts. They are able to work together, and to place the greater good before their individual wants or needs. Americans are fundamentally incapable of this. Being generally selfish and entitled, they only care about themselves or, at most, their immediate family. They're incapable of grasping that without keeping the country safe and healthy as a whole, their little world will eventually crumble, too. Stupid as fuck, indeed, and about to be gravely corrected.

How did it get so out of control in Italy?

R366, there are multiple strains with varying nucleotide mutations. The strains ravaging Italy and Iran (and, by now, other places as well), are likely more virulent due to mutations. The chart and map at the link are interactive, and the map is animated showing how the virus has mutated as it has spread.

Reuters:

U.S. Senate passes, sends to Trump $8.3 bln bill to battle coronavirus

I don't even want to think about how many cases are out there that no one knows about.

Oh yes you do, R369. You can't STOP thinking about it.

SUPERCHARGED

CYTOKINE

STORM

AHHHHHHHHH

Thank you, R367.

Now 215 confirmed cases in the US, including 70 in Washington. An hour ago it was 136 in the US with 11 in Washington.

r372, tomorrow it will double, and keep increasing. I'd say in another three weeks it will be as bad as China.

Russia is reporting only 4 cases with two recovered and 2 active. Seems like they are underreporting.

[quote]China has managed to begin containing the outbreak because its population is willing to comply with orders and follow the advice from experts.

They are not complying. They are being controlled, like they always are. This is China. It is a communist dictatorship. There are no political rights. There are no human rights.

While there's a balance to be struck and things can be done, do you really want Trump's government unfettered regarding your political and human rights because of a virus that has a low fatality rate confined almost entirely to the elderly with underlying health conditions?

As more tests are completed and the U.S. gets its testing shit together, this is inevitable. Just remember: the ill already exist. They are getting sick because they're being tested.

What it looked like in my neck of the woods today. I swear! Just when I get over the last air assault, here they come spraying us with some more shit!

R375 Trying to make the virus outbreak into political propaganda is why Americans were too blind to prepare for this virus as if it wouldn't happen to us. People in China are complying because historically that what Chinese do when there's an epidemic, every community closes up and hunkers down till it's over. It's not like it's their (or the world's) first time.

Link please, otherwise, R387, you are too stupid to live. And these days, not the pole position.

Reuters:

Pence: U.S. does not have coronavirus tests to meet anticipated demand

Unless you guys have food and supplies for a year and never have to leave your home more than likely you will come into contact with someone that has it. The world can't come to a halt because of this. There is food and other items that need to be delivered to grocery stores, pharmacies, auto parts stores, etc.

Trump is going to lose his mind over that admission.

I agree with R381. After an initial shock here in the coming weeks, the world will return to some form of normalcy. People will work in grocery stores, restaurants, trucking, farms, etc. Maybe more white collar people will work from home, but many will return to offices. We will all try to wash our hands more for the next year or so. Some restaurants will close because of decreased business, and some cruise lines will go into bankruptcy. It will be a slightly-more-distant world than previously. Eventually some form of treatment or vaccine will be created, and our world will edge back closer to how it was a few weeks ago. But it will be a bumpy year, and there will be a recession.

😷 Geez, Muriel, your killin' me here. Why did you have us in heavy quarantine all day?

You know damn well I can't afford $1.50 for VIP Access. Please, don't make me say it again, I'm poor orphan trash.

I wonder what’s happening in North Korea. I saw something on the BBC that they’ve kept 60 foreign diplomats isolated for the past month. Please god Coronavirus has struck the political elite in Pyongyang as it has apparently struck the political elite in Tehran.

Those damn North Koreans probably whipped up a batch of Spicy Korean Corona, slipped it in a rocket aimed at the U.S., but due to mechanical failure, it went down in China.

R379, I’ve lived in and have traveled extensively throughout China for the past 10 years. I also have personal and professional relationships with 50+ Chinese people. I can say from my experience, that the Chinese are peaceful and obedient to a degree that most Americans can’t understand. It is common to see two people walking down the sidewalk, each carrying one strap of a heavy parcel. They think of the greater good when necessary—much like we did in the US during the World Wars.

I communicate with Chinese colleagues and friends every day. They quietly complied when asked to close businesses, work from home, and self-isolate. Not because they wanted to, but because they knew it was the only way to stop or slow the outbreak. This won’t work in America’s me-first culture. People believe it can’t happen here. It won’t happen to them, and fuck anyone who’s old or vulnerable to this disease.

I’m afraid R387 was correct and you, with your American exceptionalism, may be the one who is, in fact, too stupid to live.

⏳ CORONA TIME 6:30 PM EST

🌎 ***GLOBAL STATS***

CASES : 98,078

DEATHS : 3,356

SERIOUS/CRITICAL : 6,845 🇺🇸 ***U.S.A. STATS***

CASES : 213

DEATHS : 55

SERIOUS/CRITICAL : 8

Where did you get those figures, R388? I’ve been monitoring this site and it shows the US deaths as 12 currently.

China Deploys Drones, Citizens and Big Data to Tackle Coronavirus From drones that scold to neighbors who snitch, China is relying on its vast surveillance network to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

Yes, R379, absolutely consistent with your wonderful anecdotal evidence.

Do us a favour, don't pitch your expertise to cable.

By the way, R387, a bit circular on the insult at the back end. :)

This thread is bringing out all the crazies.

R379 calling R387 stupid is hilarious. BTW, I've always wanted, when someone makes a mistake to the reply number, to reply from the mistaken reply number.

[quote] R381: Unless you guys have food and supplies for a year and never have to leave your home more than likely you will come into contact with someone that has it.

I agree. As for stocking up on supplies, I did it in large part because I knew that other people would panic and clean-out the supermarkets. Then I wouldn’t be able to get what I want, when I want it. Also for shortages due to supply chain disruptions. And the CDC advised people to stock up on meds. Think about all this for a minute. It’s outrageous.

Aside from hunting and gathering, if I get sick, I want to be as comfortable as possible. That means having ready-to-eat meals That I can zap, like canned foods, in case I’m too weak to cook anything.

It might be too late to stock up as there are shortages already. If it’s not, it’s close to being too late.

fuck, I'm 64 but in shape, on an immune suppressor and woke up feeling like shit today...Not panicking but a bit worried

In shape. Nice!

Cut or uncut?

Many of you packing your freezers are one long power outage away from disaster. And don't forget to leave your shoes at the door when entering and leaving your fashionable gay abodes.

R365, if you have a temperature of 103 then you have the virus. Start putting your affairs in order.

The shocking numbers are these: note how few tests have been carried out in the US so far....

The green lines are number of tests carried out.

The red lines are the number of people who have tested positive.

London now has 25 cases, 23 of which are new today, so it is turning into one of the disease epicentres. 9m people, nearly all travelling to work squashed up together like beans in a can.

The man in his 40s in NYC, he's a smoker. in intensive care. I think he vapes.

Chris Hayes On Trump’s Failing Response To Coronavirus | All In | MSNBC

My ne'er do well sister-in-law lives in Austin and makes extra money every year working security at SXSW and cleaning AirBnBs. She's toast.

[quote] R387: This won’t work in America’s me-first culture. People believe it can’t happen here

Remember that America was born in a revolt against royal authority. They took a chance on a Democrat-Republic., which had never been implemented on that large a scale. In addition, the West, meaning the Appalachian mountains to California, plus Alaska, was settled by people who also took a chance. Actually, all immigrants took a chance, starting at Jamestown and Plymouth, where half the settlers died the first Winter.

It’s in America’s culture to be assertive, brave, combative, and always hoping for the best.

[quote] R397: Many of you packing your freezers are one long power outage away from disasterl

In some places, it’s cold enough to leave frozen goods outside. I live in Boston, and we never have power outages, except two planned, short ones a few years ago, to upgrade the system. Some might have this problem, but it’s the least of my concerns.

Vice News' Julia Lindau:

I just landed at JFK after reporting on #coronavirus in Milan and Lombardy —the epicenter of Italy’s outbreak— for @vicenews. I walked right through US customs. They didn’t ask me where in Italy I went or if I came into contact with sick people. They didn’t ask me anything.

R404 This is the America of yesteryear. We've become fat and complacent, resting on past glories as everything built by those brave and resourceful immigrants crumbles around us.

Damning statement from a potentially infected nurse.

Colorado has its first case.

The documentary Influenza 1918 is being streamed on the American Experience website. That very deadly epidemic ended suddenly when it ran out of carriers. In other words, it had tot run its course. That is probably the reality of this pandemic. Eventually the mgreat of us will be exposed anyway. Sooo, early in / early out? Immunity is the prize.

Sorry r389, that was my error, 12 deaths is correct. 55 is the updated number of new cases.

great majority*

Trump bragged about his Coronavirus-related [italic] ratings! [/italic] Can you believe that? He said:

[italic] “Gallup just gave us the highest rating ever for the way we are handling the CoronaVirus.” [/italic]

Then he took a jab at Obama’s handling of Swine flu. HIS RATINGS! What an idiot. He should be removed from office just based on this tweet! I had to post this because it is literally insane in this time and place.

CNN is doing a coronavirus town hall tonight. Starts at 10pm eastern.

Some cases have been reported in Maryland. Creeping closer and closer!

Mass testing will show it's almost everywhere in the US, I believe, and has been for several weeks.

Most likely: More like several months R416 and most people got over it.

In any case, the CDC is pooching it, that's clear.

Please define “pooching”. Tia.

xo darling

r398 Temp is 99.9 ...off to the Dr tomorrow if Im not dead

Best wishes, R412

Almost 3k people under quarantine in NYC

R421 Start drinking water and Gatorade if you have any. Be sure to have extra at bedside, in case you don't feel like getting up. Hydration and fever management is all you can do until you see the doctor. Take care of yourself, and best of luck.

To add to R394, I also don’t want to have to go out and shop when sick. The last time I had a flu-like bug, I didn’t have cough medicine in the house so I had to go out and get it, which was a pain. I won’t have to do that next time.

I love Gatorade. If I’m dehydrated, I feel better after I have some, more so than just water.

Thank you for your best wishes..if not for taking methotrexate, I wouldn't be concerned

[quote]Mass testing will show it's almost everywhere in the US, I believe, and has been for several weeks.

Definitely, R416. It's been here since the Wuhan evacuees arrived and were greeted by officials observing haphazard infectious disease protocols. You can actually tracy each mutation back to its source. Fascinating data.

urghhhh I just spoke to a friend in North Carolina. Her husband was exposed to their one confirmed case before he was sick and they've been told by their health department they aren't at risk and can go about their business because "people aren't infectious when they don't have symptoms." She was dubious. I was yelling , not at her, about the stupidity. They plan to self-quarantine for two weeks because they are good people who aren't idiots. Anyway I was going to obscure the state, but I googled it and it is a matter of public record.

^^If our overlords don't start singing from the same songbook, they will end up killing us all. Damn it!

The college kids are going all over for spring break. My niece is going to Barbados.

My niece had planned to go to Dominican Republic, but my sister paid her 5 grand to stay home. Gotta love the extent a mother will go to.

Your niece sounds like a selfish little cunt, R432. If she were my daughter, I'd have simply told her: if you go, you're out of the will.

R432 I bet that cunt has vocal fry.

Well I hope when people start working from home, business and organizations will realize what a waste it is for most office workers to commute to a job and occupy expensive office spaces. Its much better for the environment and saves businesses money.

Quarantined Nurse Raises Alarms Over Being Denied Coronavirus Test | All In | MSNBC

Wups! Thank you r317, that is what I meant.

R435, my former employer was thinking of that. They’d remove the desks and add a small number of small. tables with computers on them that people could use when they came in. Like they have in the library. I think they called it “hoteling”.

The employees were extremely against it. I used to keep all sorts of things in my desk, including a spare pair of socks and shoes if the pair I was wearing got soaked when I walked to work. The employer never implemented it.

We had one employee whose office was in Boston but who lived in, and worked from NYC. We could never reach him by phone and we, including his boss, were all convinced that he had another job!

Coronavirus, The Angel of Death for Older People

[quote] Dr. Peter Hotez, professor and dean of the National School of Tropical Medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, warned members of Congress Thursday against minimizing the risks of novel coronavirus in the United States, calling it “the angel of death for older individuals.”

[quote] “In an attempt to calm public fears, you’re hearing things like it’s a mild illness, this is like flu. It’s not really the case because this is an unusual virus. For many young people, especially, it is a mild illness, but we’re seeing some devastating things,” Hotez responded.

[quote] “This is like the angel of death for older individuals. We need to go back and support all of our nursing homes. I don’t know what we’re doing wrong,” Hotez said. “Clearly that nursing home was not prepared for this, and I’m going to guess nursing homes across Oklahoma are not prepared, as well."

[quote] “Don’t just get up there and say this is a flu, this is a mild illness," he added. "One, it’s not true and people in Oklahoma are pretty smart and will figure that out pretty quickly. Second, explain what the risks are … and here are the steps that we’re doing to mitigate that.”

R315, my friend once saw a rat clime out of his toilet, so he always closes the lid. I don’t think a lid would stop a rat, though.

13 deaths in the United States.

The magic of Donald Trump.

STOP R439.

Just STOP!

STOP R439.

Just STOP!

I'm seeing 12 death, where was 13?

Why did that guy keep talking about Oklahoma? Is it there or what?

Brian Williams highlighted this just now

[quote] CNBC'S RICK SANTELLI SUGGESTS INFECTING 'EVERYBODY' WITH CORONAVIRUS BECAUSE IT COULD HELP ECONOMY

[quote] CNBC's Rick Santelli suggested that infecting "everybody" with COVID-19 coronavirus would make people "better off" because it might help lessen damage to financial markets, despite the virus likely killing millions of people in such a scenario.

[quote] Santelli made the remarks during an appearance on the network Thursday. The financial expert lamented the damage the health crisis was doing to financial markets in the U.S. and abroad, while suggested that the damage could be lessened by infecting "everybody."

[quote] "Maybe we'd be better off if we just gave it to everybody, and then in a month it would be over because the mortality rate of this probably isn't going to be any different if we did it that way," Santelli said. "But the difference is we're wreaking havoc on global and domestic markets."

CNBC had no comment to Newsweek when this was posted.

People are becoming insane with paranoia. Cops were called to a Costco because it had run out of toilet paper and water! Buffoons!

I think the panic about this is going too far. I just got this e-mail today from my apartment building....

Dear Resident,

Equity Residential takes the possible threat of COVID-19 very seriously, and we are taking the following steps:

We are asking all residents and employees to follow CDC guidance. Our cleaning efforts are focused on heavy touch objects and surfaces. We are following the CDC guidelines and closely monitoring the situation. We are prepared to work with local authorities and/or the CDC should the need arise.

For more information on COVID-19, visit the World Health Organization or Centers for Disease Control & Prevention websites.

Thank you, Equity Residential

⏳ CORONA TIME 11:30 PM EST

🌐 GLOBAL:

CASES: 98, 424

DEATHS: 3,386

SERIOUS/CRITICAL: 6273

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES:

CASES: 226

DEATHS: 13

SERIOUS/CRITICAL: 8

If you run out of toilet paper, you can always use old phone book or the Sears Catalog.

Yeah if the Coronavirus virus hasn't peaked here, maybe the hysteria has.

Many people have entered the Acceptance phase. This thread jumped the shark a few days ago. One or two posters here keep trying to stroke it hard and whip it up in a into a frenzy and fuck us again like the good old days of threads 7-10, but for the general population of DL I think the desire for more suffering and panic has passed and we're just half flaccid about it now.

The 90-year-old woman who died today was #12. Is that who you meant, R448?

As god is my witness, R450, as long as Winco sells 5-gallon buckets with spinner lids, as long as hot loads are being sneezed into uncovered ears, as long as that plane full of infected people sits on the tarmac in Toronto, we will NEVER LET THE HYSTERIA PEAK!!

NEVER!!!!!!

Worldometer.com reports that we currently have a total of 13 deaths.

The website updates constantly throughout the day. I tried to find the location of the latest death, but it has not yet been posted.

Chinese folks are exposed to incredibly unhealthy air conditions, as well as being notorious chainsmokers as a group. Just a thought that this might be a factor in the number of serious illnesses and fatalities there (and Iran)?

r454, I think there are currently 2 different strains of the virus. The one in China was more deadly.

I agree the panic has peaked. Too many people in the US realize that the coronavirus is survivable for most people.....that being said, aren't people are secretly happy to have a valid excuse to avoid work trips to clients and conferences? They are just so ......"boomer" and I say that as a 55 old man.

The panic on the DL may have lessened, but it's picking up speed in the real world. Where I live in downtown Manhattan, Thursday night is a big night to go out). Unless it's rainy or very cold, the restaurants/bars are busy (they were last Thursday). Tonight i walked around and many of them were empty and there were few people out on the streets. Also tonight, at the grocery store people were still loading their carts with rice, tuna, etc.

What's going on in South Korea? Last week their case numbers seemed to be growing exponentially, but no one has commented on them for a while. Has it slowed down there? If so, any idea of why?

R435 unfortunately TPTB need to keep us time poor (from ever longer commutes) and cash poor (from paying exorbitant prices to live within commuting distance of cities)

Working from home would allow people to live in smaller towns and the countryside and have those extra commuting hours to themselves. Therefore, it will never happen.

Many states don't yet have any diagnosed victims.

Once they have the first victim in their system, everything changes. Suddenly it becomes all too real.

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We have diagnosed cases here in Metro Seattle. Today at lunchtime was very quiet at while I was out and about. I think that in the next couple of weeks when most folks don't have any symptoms and feel fine start to go about their normal business much more so.

I'm surprised that toilet paper has been an object of panic buying. Haven't people heard of soaping your ass in the shower?

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[quote]I think there are currently 2 different strains of the virus. The one in China was more deadly.

It's true that there are two types: L-type and S-type. Genetic analysis suggests that the L-type was derived from the older S-type. Both are involved in the current global outbreak. The fact that the L-type is more prevalent suggests that it is “more aggressive” than the S-type.

The link below shows 172 genomes sampled between Dec 2019 and Mar 2020.

I've seen more and more people wearing masks in midtown manhattan and people wearing gloves, even kids.

I still see people coughing without covering their mouths, it's hopeless.

Their coughing is not as much of a big deal as you putting your unwashed fingers to your membranes.

Jospeh Wu and Gabriel Leung are doing a press conference right now in Hong Kong. Key points thus far:

Using Singapore as a source due to their diligence in testing — and looking at the number of cases exported from Wuhan rather than just focusing on those [italic]in[/italic] Wuhan — they believe that only 40% of those exported cases were detected. It needs to be kept in mind that the exported cases were well enough to travel.

Estimating a 1.4% symptomatic CFR in Hong Kong; still need to know the number of infections that produce symptoms.

Can't compare Wuhan CFR to the potential CFR outside due to novel status (no idea how to treat it initially) and an already overextended medical system.

Children are the wildcard. It's not known yet if they're as susceptible as adults, but not showing symptoms or whether they're just not as susceptible; need a lot more information about children's potential for transmission. As such, schools should remain closed.

They're about to wrap up so it should be hitting the Western media soon.

R406, how is that possible?

Pence stood up and exclaimed that they would have the least checkpoints covered over a day ago. He said the ones in Europe were already in place on live tv.

“Pence says passengers on flights from Italy and South Korea will be screened 'multiple times' for coronavirus“

Link is to Fox but he Clearly made that claim On live tv.

Repost, but people seem curious. It’s from Johns Hopkins University.

The administration appears to be just lying through their teeth about everything related to this pandemic.

What is the real tea? I don’t trust info from any right wing or totalitarian government. That includes the US and UK.

So where do we go for legit information? W.H.O?

Another repost of the corona counter. I think it’s only updated daily.

I returned to BC after driving my man down for his endoscopy. Upon our return Canada Border Services asked us first if anyone was "ill or sick" (well, yeah). No Border Officer made it through pre-med so we were directed to Secondary Inspection, which was three minutes of us waiting, and one minute of the officers reading the medical record and info sheet, and figuring out "gastritis" is not related to COVID-19.

Everyone entering Canada is being asked now if they are ill or sick.

But the U.S. is still letting anybody through?

Jesus Christ. What happened to the press conferences?

When the average person gets wind of the number of deaths they will panic in the absence of a competent administration.

We weren't asked at the US border about our health. The explanation we were headed to Seattle for an endoscopy was immediately understood, with no questions.

My spouse is a US citizen and sought treatment in his home country for his gastrointestinal distress.

BC has 21 confirmed cases, everyone who enters is screened, and quarantined if they test positive for COVID-19.

Futures are down 300 already per CNBC.

Driving home from work I thought of a few titles.

CONTAGION: THIS TIME THE SHIT IS REAL

CONTAGION: THE REALITY SERIES

CONTAGION 2020: GOOP, YOU IN DANGER, GRL. FOR REAL.

OR

THE END IS NEAR: PLEASE JESUS I DONT’T WANT TO DIE COULDN’T YOU TAKE BILLIE ELLISH INSTEAD?

Sorry I’m lonely.

Mutations make be the reason the Italian/Iranian outbreak is so rapid and widespread.

Fuck.

R361

Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan have already implemented major contingency plans on a slow roll. +10% of the workforce has been sent home to do remote work to test efficacy.

Shutting down most service oriented businesses for months- restaurants, shops, schools, clubs, cafes, theaters, concerts, crowded travel, sports, pubs, libraries- anywhere people can transmit from one to another easily- is unacceptable and incompatible with modern society.

The idea is that such a slowing mechanism will allow resources to be concentrated on areas with outbreaks before they eventually reach the next city.

It’s a whole new world!

Billie Ellish wins!

30 min ago CNN

These countries all have coronavirus cases linked to Italy

With more than 3,800 cases and nearly 150 deaths, Italy is at the heart of the coronavirus outbreak in Europe.

Since the outbreak took hold in Italy in late February, it has spread across the continent, and infected travelers who have subsequently tested positive in destinations around the world.

These places have all confirmed cases with travel histories to Italy:

United States

Massachusetts Rhode Island Florida Illinois Los Angeles New Hampshire Colorado Europe:

Gibraltar Ukraine Georgia Russia Greece UK Denmark North Macedonia Switzerland The Netherlands Croatia Belgium Portugal Iceland Ireland Northern Ireland Asia-Pacific

Malaysia Thailand New Zealand India Middle East:

Israel Latin America and the Caribbean:

Argentina Brazil Dominican Republic Mexico

^It really demonstrates how fast a virus can travel around the globe in only a few days. Seems like health organisations really have to work on their containment strategies. If an outbreak occurs in a populated area with easy access to international travel, it can spread all around the globe within days.

Has anyone been to any Broadway shows, musicals or museums this week? If people already stay away from restaurants and bars in Manhattan, when will it affect cultural life? I have Broadway tickets for the end of March.

Regarding air travel, all I know is the cabins smell like farts upon arrival.

26m ago 10:33 - Guardian

The number of confirmed coronavirus cases in Germany has tripled since Tuesday, rising from 180 to 545, it was announced yesterday. Official data can be found here.

Ok, pandemic queens, advise me: should I go on my planned NYC trip a week from today or not?

R486 I wanted to go into nyc this weekend but I’d have to take the train and then a subway to go to the museum and I am waaay skittish because I am 50, with super elderly parents. I’m not sure if I’m being a panicked pandemic princess or pragmatic.

I just bought The Ark!! My future is secure. I'll be taking mostly animals, and some carefully screened bisexual Ivy League boys and nice Seven Sisters girls with child bearing hips.

R487 I'd be flying in, and it's not that I fear picking it up from walking around town, but it's the bottlenecks at the airports/planes that concern me. I haven't spent any money other than on my airfare, which was cheap, and I have until Monday to cancel my hotel reservation. Ugh.

Dutch authorities have announced the first death in the Netherlands from Coronavirus. Patient was 86 years old. She died in Rotterdam, site of the upcoming Eurovision Song Contest, which is now likely to be broadcast without an arena audience.

R490 don’t cancel until you evaluate the latest news about it Sunday. There is a Coronavirusnyc subReddit on reddit that is very current about the nyc cases / city response etc.

For Freakout 12, can we continue with the Boccaccio quotes in the OP's text? I like them—they’re classy.

[quote] “What’s true of all the evils in the world is true of plague as well. It helps men to rise above themselves." ― Albert Camus, The Plague

R493, how do you feel about Camus?

Rick Santinelli is a fucking moron! He is the asshole that got us the Tea Party!

[quote]🇺🇸 UNITED STATES: CASES: 226 DEATHS: 13

The Trump admin's inability/refusal to institute proper testing protocols has resulted in the world's highest coronavirus mortality rate, on paper at least. Heck of a job, Donnie!

R492 Thanks for the tip about the NYC subreddit.

Add Maryland to the list of states, with three new cases, all of them in Montgomery County. Since a lot of government employees and media types live in MoCo, this should be interesting.

Thanks for the reference r494. Same denialism, same fear—but perhaps not the inflammatory virulence Boccaccio evokes.

[quote]Since a lot of government employees and media types live in MoCo, this should be interesting.

They’ll feel better if they go to work.

Oh, I love, love, love that "MoCo" handle for the government and media types.

"Moco" is the Spanish word for "booger."

I don't think we can trust anyone in our government tied to trump to give us anything even near the truth on the virus.

Mikey lies as much as DJT. Until now, Mikey's never had a chance to show off his skills.

My sister is young (20s) but has Type 1 diabetes and hypothyroidism. Her doctor has suspected Hashemoto’s disease as well. She works a shitty retail job at Target and I’m worried for her. Should she quit? I think so but she’s stubborn. She could easily find a temp office job where she doesn’t have to interact with as many people. We live in FL, where more and more cases are being reported.

Since late last night, 13 deaths were listed for the U.S. , but news outlets were, ad still are reporting "at least 13."

Is there a dead body lying around as an unconfirmed death, and no one wants to do an autopsy?

"At least 13" because #14 might die before the end of the broadcast.

Has this article been posted yet? What this tell me is that even if you don't die or get a really severe case, you do NOT want to fuck around with COVID-19. Who wants permanent lung damage and a messed-up immune system?

⏳ CORONA TIME 9:15 AM EST

🌎 GLOBAL STATS :

CASES : 100,627

DEATHS : 3,411

SERIOUS/CRITICAL: 6,286

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES STATS :

CASES : 233

DEATHS : 14

SERIOUS/CRITICAL : 8

⏳ CORONA TIME 9:15 AM EST

🌎 GLOBAL STATS :

CASES : 100,627

DEATHS : 3,411

SERIOUS/CRITICAL: 6,286

🇺🇸 UNITED STATES STATS :

CASES : 233

DEATHS : 14

SERIOUS/CRITICAL : 8

Well -- I think I may have the virus. I have reported to my doctor (phonecall) and self-quarantined since the first hint of symptoms, I'm pretty sure I must have caught it on the ferry heading back home from Vancouver. If I'm right about that we're about to see an explosion of cases in western Canada. Apparently they're trying to arrange a test to verify.

It's been three days and it's mild and flu-like. I've had worse colds. The worst thing I've dealt with is insomnia and I'm not even taking anything for it other than ibuprofen for the headache, which is one of the major symptoms, along with dry cough, sore throat, achy joints and (brace yourselves) copious farting. Yes, heavy flatulence is associated with this virus.

It'll be funny if it turns out to be something else, but I don't think it is.

^^^ Double Posting, just in case you weren't sufficiently frightened the first time you read the stats.

Where do you live R510? And what's on your iPod?

Unbelievable. Farting is a symptom and that hasn’t been communicated to the public? You are for real, aren’t you R510?

The odds are probably that you don’t have it (and will be fine if you do). I’m rooting for you.

Yes! Let it be a fart virus that brings down Donald Trump.

Exactly right.

We have local college students who are still in Italy, and the local news reported that they've decide to bring them back. They'll be under quarantine, of course, for the required 14 days. I don't find that at all reassuring. For some of these students it will be two weeks off and two weeks to party. I'm not trusting that this age group will take this situation as seriously as they should.

We currently have no cases reported in my home state. I hope this won't be our undoing.

A friend of mine had all those symptoms earlier this week, R510, but he didn't have a fever -- so his doctor said it couldn't be coronavirus.

R515 Our university is doing the same thing. Riding the bus home yesterday though I some college girls were talking about their spring break plans and I overheard, "it's only bad for old people...." so you're right to assume that college students will not take it seriously and will run around as carriers.

Whoops -- I'm listening to a livestream from the PA Governor right now and there are now 2 cases in PA somewhere.

😷 Beans, Beans,

Good For The Heart

The More You Eat

The More You Fart

The More You Fart

The Better You Feel

So Eat You Beans

At Every Meal

Keep in mind, that people are hoarding beans, just like they're buying up toilet paper and hand sanitzer. Hence, the excess tooting.

Another good reason to wear a face mask.

I live in Victoria, BC, r512. I believe I must have caught it on the ferry back from Vancouver last week. I've been taking precautions and am a work from home shut-in so I'm not around people a lot. I suppose I might have picked it up at the grocery store the day after the ferry ride, but I don't think so, I noticed several people coughing on the ferry and it was crowded. I've been symptomatic for three days and self-quarantined as soon as symptoms appeared, but I was walking around for several days there with no idea I was carrying it. Not a good feeling to know I probably infected others.

r513, yes farting is apparently associated with this. I got that from my doctor, who got it from a health ministry briefing. Not everyone, but some. Pretty epic in my case, ha ha.

The worrisome thing to me is that it apparently can come in waves, where the first wave is quite mild (like my experience so far), then it lets you think you've recovered, then it slams you hard with intesne flu-like symptoms and could then give you pneumonia. Pneumonia already tried to kill me once when I was a new born baby. So they're keeping a close eye and I'm very glad I work from home and have all the supplies I could need.

Will update the thread on my progress. r513 and r516 may be right, it might not be corona at all, but I have a sneaking feeling it is. I think it's much, much more widespread than anyone knows.

48 new cases in the UK in a single day.

r476 It's okay, it's a way of coping.

[quote]They'll be under quarantine, of course, for the required 14 days.

Are they being asked to self quarantine? Because they won't.

I’m farting, but I had a stomach bug (vomiting only) Tuesday and thought it was my system re-adjusting. I also have what I thought were seasonal allergy symptoms - coughing, sneezing. Yesterday my cough didn’t seem particularly “dry,” but it’s more so today. I really think it’s allergies, my face is reddish and tender. Seasonal allergies cause rosacea flare ups for me.

I’m in an outbreak area. Do I have a moral obligation to call my primary care physician? I don’t want to. I also don’t want to say I read that farting was a symptom on DL. Is this info anywhere else?

The two PA cases are in Delaware and Wayne counties in Eastern PA.

Reuters: Two British Airways members of staff have tested positive for coronavirus, have been isolated and are recovering at home, the airline said on Friday.

“Public Health England (PHE) has confirmed that two members of our staff have tested positive for the COVID-19 virus,” it said in a statement.

I am a hysterical idiot. I have no fever. I’m just a gasbag. Never mind!

- R523

this virus is in every state. It is just more prevalent in some more than others. Those that are worried that others are bringing it to their states, stop worrying, it's already there. This reporting of, there are 2 cases in MN, there are 2 cases in PA, there are 2 cases in VA. is a joke. There are no test kits so without that we have no way of knowing and average of how many cases there are in each state. But I can guarantee that it is in every state.

Hi Guys - ok so they have now closed 5 schools in my county.

I think I'll do some more stocking up tonight. I got me tons of diet coke, so I'm good with that. I also have a N95 mask for my mom and I (she works in a pharmacy). What else should I buy?

I bought rice, frozen veggies, soups, toothpaste and toilet paper. I also have 2 bottles of hand sanitizer.

Anything else?

‘Doomed from the Start.’ Experts Say the Trump Administration’s Coronavirus Response Was Never Going to Work.

“We have contained this. I won’t say airtight but pretty close to airtight,” White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow said in a television interview on Feb. 25, echoing Trump’s tweeted declaration that the virus was “very much under control” in the United States.

But it wasn’t, and the administration’s rosy messaging was fundamentally at odds with a growing cacophony of alarm bells inside and outside the U.S. government. Since January, epidemiologists, former U.S. public health officials and experts have been warning, publicly and privately, that the administration’s insistence that containment was—and should remain—the primary way to confront an emerging infectious disease was a grave mistake.

The initial strategy was not without validity, epidemiologists and former U.S. health officials tell TIME. Those measures likely helped to slow the spread of the virus. The problem, they say, is that once it was clear that the virus was within our borders officials did not pivot quickly enough to changing circumstances.

R490, I would go on your vacation. You are probably going to get it at some point anyway.

R528 you need a few new fun dildos. Also, stock up on LUBE!

You're going to have entertain yourself somehow when you're locked in your home for 14 days.

Get more toilet paper r528.

I think Trump secretly wants this virus to spread as he knows it will kill off the old and the sick, he probably hopes it will kill off the poor as well to save on welfare.

That thought has crossed my mind as well, r533.

NYT:

Coronavirus Live Updates: ‘Time to Act,’ W.H.O. Chief Warns

That guy heading WHO is an epic moron.

That hypothesis actually credits Trump with putting the public interest first, in a very twisted way.

Do you think he would sacrifice his popularity amping his supporters for a younger, economically stronger country in the longer term? Note: I am not suggested that is a good outcome.

What’s the saying? Never attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence?

[quote] I think Trump secretly wants this virus to spread

Trump is famously a hypochondriac who is desperately afraid of germs. (Except when he wants to raw dog a hooker. Not his only contradiction.) He put Pence in charge of the government effort on coronavirus so that he could stay as far from the virus possible. He wants it to go away as quickly as possible. He's already invoked a miracle to solve it. Every new confirmed case must eat away at all his crazy.

I woke up to the news that there's suddenly 49 cases in my city (Strasbourg) and they only test people requiring hospitalization. We have a member of the parliament in the ICU (in his 60s) and three other people tested positive at the National Assembly. Also in Paris, a metro driver and another agent tested positive. The cases double everyday, we're at 577 cases today. It's exploding !

What's going to happen to our societies in the coming weeks ?? I'm feeling very anxious.

r539, remember the death rate is somewhat low and not everyone who comes down with the virus gets sick.

Maybe Parisians will learn from this and not be such insufferable cunts with tourists. Because after this runs its course it’s sure going to need them.

[quote]President Donald Trump said the White House canceled his expected visit to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday because someone at the Atlanta agency was suspected of contracting the coronavirus.

[quote]Trump said he may visit the agency after all because the person tested negative for the virus. A White House official said earlier Friday that Trump’s CDC trip had been canceled because the president didn’t want to interfere with the agency’s work.

Their first instinct is always to lie, about everything.

Never assume mendacity when stupidity is a sufficient explanation for someone's behavior.

The worst thing is that your lungs are messed up and immune system fucked...IF you live after having it.

can someone post the virus nyc reddit thread? thank you!

there is a 5th case in NYC.

I bet that westchester guy passed it to hundreds of people on the train and in grand central. no surprise we get news that PA and MD have cases now.

Highly informative video detailing exactly what happens with Coronavirus. The infected suffocate for not being able to get any oxygen into the blood, but perhaps not in the way you might think. See this vid, dammit!

I think that westchester guy is a super spreader. He's given it to a dozen people at least.

Those trains are never cleaned...if he coughed on it, the virus can live on surfaces for days...imagine how many people touched the seats etc and then touched their faces etc...or maybe he coughed without covering his mouth etc.

Please wash your hands and bleach the door knobs and handles, your phones, your keyboards etc!

CNN-This hand sanitizer company is increasing production during the coronavirus outbreak

GOJO Industries is ramping up production of PURELL products in response to coronavirus, the company said today. “We have a demand surge preparedness team that runs in the background all the time, who have been fully activated and are coordinating our response to the increase in demand,” said Samantha Williams, GOJO Corporate Communications Senior Director.

She added that the company has experienced several demand surges in the past during other outbreaks and while this is on the higher end of the spectrum, it is not unprecedented.

Just back from local grocery store here in suburban PA. Business as usual. I asked a stock boy if he'd noticed any panic buying. He stared at me for 4 seconds not grasping what I was asking, then "Oh! Not at all, not yet."

R550 what suburb?

There is also a small subreddit using CoronavirusNYC but the one i linked has many more members

R550, best get what you like before everyone buys it all.

I might buy more bleach. I've been using it a lot around the house. The govt released a list (5 pages) of items that kill the virus.

John Hopkins Chief Epidemiologist: JH is forecasting a widespread outbreak, they est 40-60% of the world pop will be infected over 1-2 years. They est true death rate will be .1% -.5%. They expect it to peak in the spring...

I bought dish soap, Campbells soups at $1.20 a can, canned mushrooms $.99 ea., canned kidney and chili beans $.99 ea., and sriracha sauce, and the rest was non-panic-induced sundries. Bleach was available at $4 something a gallon (?). I didn't buy any. I have plenty now. This was a topping up run, to what end I'm not sure because I'm pretty sure I had this thing already, as I mentioned way upthread. The farting component cliches it for me. That was a HUGE feature of the bastard for me, and stinking stools, as well as headaches, low fever, restless sleeping, and some dry coughing. Still recovering.

clinches*

I found one bottle of hand sanitizer and ALDI. I was well pleased with my purchase.

Get some vitamin C!

And vitamin D.

Dr. Amy Compton-Phillips, who treated the first U.S. patient identified with coronavirus, per CNBC:

Part of the problem, Compton-Phillips said, was the CDC’s delay in getting testing kits to local health agencies and its reluctance to test patients who hadn’t traveled to Wuhan, China.

“We had real challenges initially. ... I think it’s one of the reasons we’re seeing these hot spots pop up around the country is because we simply didn’t know this had already hit our shores,” she told CNBC, adding that cases will rise as testing is expanded and labs discover new cases that were previously hidden. “I do think that this virus has been circulating now for several weeks in the U.S. ... Until now, it’s been circulating unchecked.”

There's very little you can do to stave this thing off. You're buying time at best. It's highly transmissible. The isolated in rurals areas might be able to wait it out for a vaccine, but I doubt it.

CNN-3 people who attended a biotech meeting in Massachusetts have coronavirus

Three people who attended a meeting last week at Biogen Headquarters in Cambridge, Massachusetts, have tested positive for the coronavirus, according to the company.

The patients "are doing well, improving and under the care of their healthcare providers," the biotech company said in a statement.

The company says any Biogen employee who attended the meeting have been directed to work from home for two weeks.

Following a meeting with Biogen employees in Boston last week, a number of attendees reported varying degrees of flu-like symptoms. Some attendees have been confirmed with influenza and three attendees have tested positive for COVID-19 to date. At the present time, these individuals are doing well, improving and under the care of their healthcare providers. Protecting our employees and our communities is our priority. Biogen has been in regular contact with the relevant public health officials since the time the first cases of illness were reported. In an abundance of caution, all meeting attendees, with or without flu-like symptoms, have been directed to work from home for two weeks. We are regularly communicating with all employees and directed all employees who are not feeling well to stay home and contact their healthcare provider as necessary. Additionally, we are taking precautionary measures to do our part in mitigating the spread of illness – including restricting travel through the end of March. We continue to closely monitor the situation.

Meanwhile, it's likely mutating. The 1918 flu turned for the worst as it mutated.

CNBC updates:

The United States is considering ways to discourage some U.S. travelers from taking cruises as part of a broader Trump administration effort to limit the spread of coronavirus

The University of Washington is moving all of its in-person classes and exams online, starting Monday.

Cameroon, Togo confirm first cases of coronavirus.

r550 what county or area such as E PA, W PA or the middle?

Crawford County, R565.

CNN-At least 33 people in New York state test positive for coronavirus

Five of the 33 people are currently hospitalized and they are improving, Cuomo said.

CNN-Vactican has a case of the virus, didn't say who...

Vegas has arrogantly turned its nose saying "overreaction" as convention after convention has been cancelled. Now comes this:

A person who travelled to Las Vegas for an international conference has tested positive for COVID-19. This brings the total number of infections in Ontario to 24.

According to an internal email sent to staff in the University Health Network, the person went to the Emergency Department at Toronto Western Hospital Wednesday with respiratory symptoms.

“All protocols were followed and the patient was assessed and sent home to self-isolate,” said the email, from Gillian Howard, the vice-president of public affairs and communications at the University Health Network.

“The patient is now at home and being monitored by Toronto Public Health,” she continued.

“We are continually reviewing our processes to ensure that we are current with the situation as it changes.”

It’s the fourth new case in Ontario confirmed Thursday, as cases start to show up in people who have travelled from affected areas other than China and Iran.

One of the other new cases is a woman in her 50s from Waterloo Region who had recently returned from Italy, where infections in the northern region are mounting. Another is a man who had been in Iran.

And a Mississauga resident who was on a Grand Princess cruise ship that travelled from San Francisco to Mexico between Feb. 11 and Feb. 21, tested positive, and is Peel Region’s first case.

The cruise ship is sitting off the coast of San Francisco while passengers get tested. There are 235 Canadians on the ship’s manifest, according to Global Affairs.

New cases are also popping up across Canada. Eight were reported in British Columbia Thursday evening, including the first instance of community transmission in that province. One more case was reported in Quebec and the first presumed case was announced in Alberta.

The pattern we've seen all around the world is: case, case, case... cluster, cluster... explosion. This can be expected everywhere.

The Trump adminstration's COVID-19 response is eerily similar to how the Bush administration dealt with the occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq: don't count the casualties, keep the cameras away from the bodies, and nobody will know the difference.

CNBC's Rick Santelli apologizes for proposing that everyone be exposed to the coronavirus to help the markets recover.

R563, mutations and other data for 179 genomes sampled between Dec 2019 and Mar 2020 are at the link:

Things are not making sense. 49 people died of it in Italy (yesterday?) and then they said all who died were around 80 years old? Somehow that seems so odd. But how many people actually had the virus if 49 died? They said mortality rate is 3% so how does that work?

Things are not making sense. 49 people died of it in Italy (yesterday?) and then they said all who died were around 80 years old? Somehow that seems so odd. But how many people actually had the virus if 49 died? They said mortality rate is 3% so how does that work?

Ohio has no infections!!! Ohio hasn't done a lot of testing yet.

From the Columbus Dispatch 3-5-20

[quote] The Ohio Department of Health will be able to start testing people for coronavirus this weekend and provide results with a few days, officials said Thursday at a statewide summit on the virus. Until now, the state health department had to defer to the CDC for tests, which sometimes took three to five days.

Houston, TX reports 5 recent returnees from Egypt are now quarantined with the Coronavirus. And 100 miles east of Houston, it is now reported a couple living in Beaumont are self-quarantined after returning from Thailand. The Texas governor reports that the state will soon begin testing up to 125 people a day for the virus in the nation's second most populated state.

Thread title suggestion: Love in the Time of Coronavirus

Tremors of an eruption have begun as the overall count of Coronavirus cases jumped in the last day from 97,879 to 101,583. The increase in Italy went from 3858 to 4636, and Iran from 33563 to 4747.

R578 indeed. And we have seen explosions all over Europe and the US within the past days. Not looking good at all

The few numbers from Russia are not consistent with the growing trend from other countries. For sure, there are a lot more cases there than announced. At least we know where Trump is getting his directives. Unfortunately for him the US states are free to report information as they wish. Unlike Putin, he does not control everything

With spring/Easter breaks approaching, we will see an explosion of cases in the coming weeks throughout the world. People will do what they do and the virus will spread. There is no stopping it now

Russians were never inoculated for these new virus of Chinese origin!

Unfortunately, the outlook for this year is frightening due to the virus. We can expect poor economic results for many companies,a crisis for the airline/cruise/travel industry,a disastrous Olympic games in terms of attendance and interest, an unprecedented decline in the Christmas shopping season, rollercoaster sessions on the stock market, a flawed presidential election in the US. And many, many infections and deaths worldwide

R9 oh shit, we are so fucked, I mean seriously fucked.

We're close to maxing out. New thread.

There's a theory that the mortality rate appears high, because most of those tested are highly symptomatic.

Please do not use Billie Eilish in the next thread title. Not relevant or clever, and there is enough ugliness in the subject matter.

Next thread title: " For whom the bell tolls"

Didn't see that, R585. Thank you.

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Rick Santelli is an insensitive piece of shit, I hope he and all his loved ones die from the virus.

R483 I went to a Bway show on Monday night. It was packed and I was a little nervous, as I think others were too. Incredibly, there was not ONE cough or sneeze during, before or after the play. I don't think I've ever been to a show where that's happened. I have tickets for next week, but not further out. I'm waiting to see what will happen around here.