Coronavirus Freakout 10: Stayin’ Alive!

Roller coaster missing a wheel and speeding far beyond design limits is a good analogy for the current shitshow.

Well, if the tread titles are going to be Travolta-themed, his next film was "Moment by Moment". Entirely appropriate to whats going on.

Because this IS Datalounge...

The Travolta theme was an accident, but it can’t continue.

Pulp Fiction?

Face/Off?

Oh, maybe that Xenu flick. Battlefield Earth!

Previous thread link?

When you gonna give to me, a gift to me

Is it just a matter of time, Corona?

Is it d-d-destiny, d-destiny

Or is it just a game…

M-m-m-my Corona

"Continue to pretend everything is normal."

Well, everything is almost normal. The virus has been in the states for six weeks. As of Sunday night, there are EIGHTY-EIGHT cases in the ENTIRE country.

Get a grip.

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I feel 100% safe knowing that this closet case, US Surgeon General Jerome "Jerry" Adams, is part of the government's response team.

[quote]Well, everything is almost normal. The virus has been in the states for six weeks. As of Sunday night, there are EIGHTY-EIGHT cases in the ENTIRE country. Get a grip.

Testing hasn't been widely available. Those of us with IQs above room temperature have already done the math are appropriately concerned.

And if he isn't gay, well, it looks like at least one of his kids is...

Are there any, uh, rectal symptoms?

Oddly, for a respiratory illness, an anal swab is apparently more accurate than a throat swab for detecting the virus. I don't know if that's relevant to your question R12, but there you go.

R10

It was mild alarm until Italy, now it’s telecommute.

I don’t have to be there except for appearances, so the morning “I’m sick so I’ll just listen in” bullshit can be done.

Everyone knows I’m “slightly concerned” but don’t know anything concrete, so a few days working from home is chill. I’m just pissed off that nobody took it seriously a month ago.

Oh my god, Gov. Cuomo has it!

Do you know that if there are now 88 cases here in the U.S., with a 2-3% death rate, that works out to be 1.5 people dead.

R15 as someone on twitter pointed, thats really poorly phrased.

R17, I think that was R15's point.

R16

I hope you aren’t an accountant. The current death toll and case count are virtually unrelated when compared to the speed of transmission. That is the main variable.

[quote]Researchers who have examined the genomes of two coronavirus infections in Washington State say the similarities between the cases suggest that the virus may have been spreading in the state for weeks.

Here in Australia our latest cases are citizens returning from Iran who go on to feel unwell and then test positive. We were quick to close borders to people from Hubei Province but I think this Iranian and Italian angle has not been adequately addressed at the airports. Passengers from at least 2 flights in the last week from Doha to Sydney via Qatar airlines have been alerted.

I feel afraid. Why? you might ask, citing the relatively low illness/death rate. I feel afraid because I am in the red zone for this particular form of the Grim Reaper and I suspect quite a few of us here at DL fall into the vulnerable group. My only consolation is that Australia was going to crap out at Eurovision this year and this virus is a very welcome diversion from our horrendous selection.

[quote]Do you know that if there are now 88 cases here in the U.S

This after six weeks of faulty and simply non-existent testing. Expect the numbers to explode once we have reliable testing. Within two weeks, the US will able to test nearly 20,000 samples a day. The fact that they're gearing up for that kind of volume should be of significant concern to anyone paying attention.

Looks like Iran is handling this pandemic true to form.

They took this boy away for fear of it

This freaks me the bleep out. Until last July, I was perfectly freaking healthy until I was almost murdered(a whole other crazy story) and had a severe pneumothorax. I haven't felt the same since and know my lungs aren't the same.

Sorry, just needed to vent because I don't really in front of friends and family.

R25

That sucks. Glad you’re venting to the void instead of keeping it inside all the time.

The economic impact is scary. No idea how any company handles something like this without scaring all the employees. It’s such a seemingly unlikely probability that preparing for it would be so expensive the companies choose to write it off as unworthy of hedging.

My neighbor owns a restaurant and I have kept my mouth shut. Service industry will be hit hard if this gets much bigger in the USA.

Apparently “This Is Not A Test” is just placating us instead of actually creating redundancy.

Went to the grocery store to night and saw the first signs of panic. 3 couples (30ish) were pooling their efforts. Kleenex, hand sanitizer, disinfective wipes, toilet paper etc. But they were crazy ass disorganized and shouting back and forth to each other over the registers. One guy, who was 6'5" and 250 was downright freaked out and aggressive with the staff. Glad I'm not quarantined with him.

Let's go with Travolta's "Phenomenon"

Im just reading the news alert about the second US death, a 70 year old. I think TPTB need to just come out and say the people who are most at risk are seniors and people with compromised respiratory systems from health conditions and smoking. That will help ease some of concern before this thing causes absolute hysteria.

Think it's likely to hit the MAGA crowd harder?

R29 But that would sound like TPTB are giving up on the seniors and the unhealthy. Like they are collateral damage. No politicians would say that. They might force a bureaucrat to say it and then condemn him publicly for his pessimism.

This is like The Winter is Coming... except it's The Virus is Coming!

The flyover MAGA crowd has been stockpiling for Armageddon for at least a decade.

Map for your viewing pleasure.

R10 s response to R7 is correct.

The testing or lack of it is a royal fuck up.

We should be up and running two weeks... good god!

Hawaii is even asking for permission to BUY test kits form Japan.

With two dummies like Trump and Pence running the show, we are over.

I have a friend that bought some cheap jewelry from China and she got it last week...could there be a problem?

R37, probably not. The virus doesn't live too long outside.

The virus can live on surfaces for days...up to 9 days! Please bleach your whole house!

CNN-89 coronavirus patients have been identified in the United States

A total of 89 cases of the novel coronavirus have been reported in the United States, as of Sunday night Eastern time. Two have been killed by the virus, both in Washington state.

44 passengers repatriated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship in Japan.

3 repatriated from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

42 who were detected and tested on US soil:

19 travel-related

19 person-to-person

4 undetermined (1 in Illinois, 1 in California and 2 in Washington)

I wouldn't be surprised to found out the virus had reached the states in January, with the Lunar New Year travellers, and has been spreading ever since. It does supposedly have a long incubation period, and a certain percentage of people appear to not show symptoms.

Stay inside, everyone.

[quote]The flyover MAGA crowd has been stockpiling for Armageddon for at least a decade.

Beware, ex-Californians who moved to Idaho - when the pandemic crosses state lines, you’ll be hunted down and turned into beef jerky.

Oregon gets its second case, with 86 people now being monitored.

The appropriate Travolta themed title for when the shit hits the fan should be : "The Boy In The Plastic Bubble".

Trump's approval is headed even lower. Some people will realize that competence and facts matter.

Even Trump knows he screwed up royally. He could barely speak at his conference or whatever the hell that fiasco was on Saturday. Must have really been difficult to admit that the Democratic hoax had actually claimed it's first victim.

Five more cases in the Bay Area on Sunday. Including a couple who'd traveled to Egypt. Couple of health-care workers as well. Three, all elderly, are hospitalized.

The Pope announced that he's cancelling a week long religious retreat in the Roman countryside, due to a "bad cold."

Rounded up...that's 2 people dead, which is a fact.

Only 327,347,081 to go.

R16, 2 people are dead, so that’s accurate.

I couldn’t post on the last thread for some reason, it kept crashing, but here’s a link I wanted to show you guys. A man was in quarantine because his wife’s father had Coronavirus. After fourteen days, the CDC let him go even though he has obvious symptoms of illness. He goes on Fox in their studio, and drinks out of his little daughter’s water.

Well, here's one way to look at it: if we believe the death tolls that have been reported, but the virus has actually been circulating in the general population since December, then the death rate in % terms is actually much LOWER than it is if calculated on just the number of people tested and confirmed to have the virus. I could of course be completely wrong but think this has been around for a while and in most cases people just think they had a bad cold or "flu-like" illness. It's only when it progresses to pneumonia that it's serious.

If it progressed to pneumonia in people with undiagnosed Coronavirus, then the cause of death would have simply been listed as pneumonia, R52.

That's what they were doing in Wuhan, people were dying pneumonia brought on by Coronavirus and they just called it pneumonia.

Yes, R53. So deaths from pneumonia spiked in the US? I don't know but haven't heard that. Point being that if this virus has actually been sickening people in the US since Dec (which seems completely believable to me) and pneumonia deaths didn't spike, that is a good sign.

R51 is just out of this world insane.

Just heard on ABC news that TWO people have now died in Washington state. How did I miss that? Two other people in Washington state are in critical condition.

And I just heard on a Canadian newscast that a nursing home in WA may have patients infected with the virus.

They’re dropping like flies.

The administration is going GET US ALL KILLED.

During this flu season, at least 16,000 people died in the US from influenza and over 250,000 were hospitalized. As many as 61,000 people died in the 2017-2018 flu season, and 45 million were infected.

I wish people would quit saying Rump screwed up This would be the best thing that ever happened to him. He would be Dictator for life!

The US has only tested 500 people and EIGHTY-NINE are positive.

I’m really sorry to hear that, R25. Feel free to vent. I’ve had some issues with crazy family myself, so I know how it is about crazy stuff happening and people look at you sideways, like you did something to cause crazy people to go off. After a lot of years of this stuff, I can tell you, if somebody goes off on you like that, it’s not you, it’s them. Sane people don’t do crazy things no matter what you do or how irritated they are with you. A sane person would just quit talking to you, or break up with you, if it was your fault. It took me many years to realize you can’t control that some people react unreasonably to stress. Don’t blame yourself, just punch and delete. That person will be like that whether you’re around or not, so just stay away. Your mental state has a lot to do with your immune system, so if you’re still distressed about this, seek therapy, meditate, or exercise.

About recovery from pneumonia, my lungs are shit and I’ve had it several times. I’ve also had chronic bronchitis a lot. Here’s my experience: it took about a year total to quit feeling tired and feel totally recovered. If it’s taking you a long time to feel strong and healthy and energetic, don’t feel bad, that can be normal depending on the individual. It doesn’t necessarily mean your lungs are still bad.

Some things you can do that helped me: take a lot of vitamin C. Emergen-C would probably help. I was taking about 1000 mg a day of vitamin C. Get something like Cold Eez, which has zinc in it and can boost your immune system. Don’t take them every day forever, you can overdo the zinc. Just take one if you’re feeling like you’re on the verge of getting a cold, or feel like your immune system is down. It gives you a boost. I’ve taken them at the first signs of getting a cold and the next day I’m better.

Above all, take vitamin D3. Take the pills, but the best way is to go outside in the sun as many hours as you can with some of your skin uncovered. If you can walk in the sun that’s the best. Your lungs drain if you’re upright, and walking or vigorous exercise, like biking, will help you. I got bronchitis so many times I became antibiotic resistant, and they didn’t really help. The only thing that worked was walking outside in the sun all day Saturday and Sunday for a few weeks. Like eight hours a day, just walking. You can do it on hiking trails or somewhere where there aren’t a lot of people. Even in the suburbs, not many people walk in the street, so just walking around neighborhoods, you’re not likely to meet many people. Especially on a bike.

Another thing to do right now is take the flu shot and get the pneumonia shot. They normally won’t give the pneumonia shot if you’re under 65, but if you’re high risk they will. I’ve gotten them at Costco by telling them I had a previous history of lung issues. The last thing you want is to get it again, and getting the shot will make you feel more confident.

I bet poor Donald isn't getting much sleep these days. Is he still tweeting @3:00 am?

Despite what his personal physician says, that tub of lard can't possibly be one of the healthiest men on Earth. He looks like he has gained 30 pounds since he took up residency in the White House.

R21 Australia is not handling it well at all. Being an island we are in a position to reduce the number of people coming into the country.

All citizens returning from holiday (regardless of where they came from) should be placed into quarantine on Christmas Island or Darwin for 21 days. All citizens on overseas holidays should be advised to get their asses back here ASAP or they may not be able to if the situation deteriorates even worse.

No Foreign residents allowed into the country - effective in 48 hours from announcement.

We can still get freight planes and cargo ships in but with the strictest of controls.

This 'we can't close our borders' nonsense coming from the Chief Medical Officer Brendan Murphy is unacceptable.

Still I wouldn't be surprised if the Government backflips on that as things worse but by then it may be too late.

Also read an interesting article yesterday about how Chinese tourists in Bali are trying to get visas to enter Australia because they are too afraid to return to China which I can fully understand. However, we should not be granting any of those people visas as we don't know how wide spread the virus is in Indonesia.

Australia has been extending the visas of Chinese residents who were on holiday from China in Australia and that I agree with - none of them have the virus and if they did the would have been long sick.

Australia & New Zealand need to greatly restrict access to their borders NOW. Ditto all the Pacific Islands. The economy loss is nothing compared to the human loss and even worse economy losses that will come if we don't.

Spring Break is coming up.

R62 Since much of our scientific/medical frontline troops have been muzzled and are under gag orders, foreign news is the best source of info.

As of 4 days ago only 450 people had been tested because the initial production of test kits were recalled because if a "lab glitch ".

We're in the dark as to how many people are infected because we really haven't been testing.

Plus the private for profit hospitals will be wondering who's going to pay for all this.

South Korea had already tested 40,000 people three weeks ago.

An Iranian politician has passed away. Wikipedia list his death as 'influenza' (i.e. the coronavirus). If he couldn't get top-notch treatment what hope to all the ordinary people.

R65, I’m sorry, but I don’t know if that’s enough. There’s also the mail.

All that work stoppage, would that lead to massive unemployment and a breakdown of society? Hungry people, mourning people, broke people, people losing their houses, etc. They can be desperate.

I think it’s inevitable that the virus runs out of control, and maybe the government knows a little more than we do. Such as, maybe it indeed has been around for 6 weeks undetected. Or something else that makes it unstoppable. Maybe they can’t reveal that all now and are waiting until it doesn’t make a difference anymore.

Dr. Mike answers questions about COVID-19:

For people that don’t have much experience prepping, here’s some products that are good for storage. Yes you can put tuna under the bed. Get one of those plastic under-the-bed storage containers.

Kirkland (Costco brand) tuna or canned beef or salmon. Long shelf life. PB2: dehydrated peanut butter powder. Ghee: Costco carries a large peanut butter jar size. This is shelf stable butter. Jellies: get a large one and a couple of small ones. Tuesday Morning and Big Lots have some variety.

Bear Creek dehydrated soups, Big Lots and other stores. High sodium. Olive oil, shelf stable. Canned butter cookies, like Christmas cookies. They’re good for a year in an unopened can. Get tea in a can too. Or buy a tin separately and put the tea inside, it will last longer. Plain chocolate bars: flat and easy to store, not much room. Plain can be used for baking or hot chocolate. Hot chocolate mix, Nesquick or Ovaltine. Evaporated canned or powdered milk don’t always taste great. Gatorade powder doesn’t take up much room, but they’re giving patients Gatorade to replenish minerals. There’s a low sugar version and “Gatorade Zero.” Get a gallon or quart bottle or jug to make instant drinks.

Most dehydrated foods or drinks taste better if they sit in the fridge. Ideally, four hours or more for dehydrated foods.

Rice and beans: if you have room, get an Instant Pot. If you can’t afford it, check out thrift shops for crock pots, rice cookers or other appliances. Often they’re never used or used once. You can download the instruction booklets online if they’re lost.

Dehydrated mashed potatoes, grits, oatmeal, Malt O Meal (lots of iron). All prone to bugs, so re-bag them in ziplock bags and freeze at least three days, then put them in glass canning jars. Use the metal lids, they’re much more airtight. Canning jar glass is much thicker glass than old jam jars and less prone to breakage. Also microwaveable. Leave the lid off.

Spices and sauces. Brown gravy mix, Cholula or Valentina Mexican hot sauce, Cajun hot sauce, soy sauce etc. For breakfast cereal, cinnamon and raisins with shelf stable soy milk or powdered milk. For chili, cumin, chili powder, for curry, curry powder. Bay leaves and Italian seasoning for Italian food. If you’re storing pasta or grains, put bay leaves loose in the container, it’s a bug repellent. Buy a 4 lb box of salt, never goes bad, and you can use it to wash dishes if you run out of dish soap. Honey lasts forever and never requires refrigeration. Get a good grade, pure honey. Cheap honey has corn syrup and can spoil.

Pancake mix and pancake syrup, lower sodium Spam. Lasts forever and is great with eggs, rice or grits. Rice - for long term storage get white rice. Lasts two years or more. Freeze at least three days using above method. Crackers last a year. Tortillas can be frozen. Canned beans, black beans are the most versatile. Get no salt version. Dry beans.

If you have little money or storage space: a large bag of dried black beans or two 25 lb bags of black beans and pinto beans or red beans, large bag of rice, ghee or butter, olive oil, canned tuna and peanut butter and jelly and crackers. Tortillas, hot sauce and soy sauce. And some type of milk product, dehydrated or shelf stable and cold or hot cereal. Fill in with canned fruit and vegetables. Get no salt canned food every time you can. Chocolate. And get lots of water and Gatorade or their dry mix. Canned, bottled or frozen fruit juice concentrate.

I awake to find that no-one is free

We're all fugitives

Look at the way we live

Down here

We cannot sleep from fear

Tell me the right way to go

Oh I forget everything I know

And the virus came out of the water

And we're feeling so sad cos we know

That Corona hangs out in every quarter

Jesus, all the insane SHTF people are here talking about their bug out bags. Some hoes just love buying food.

amazing that Africa is lagging in #s. i’ve read that maybe their ecosystem is not favorable to the virus.

Were you doomsday types around for swine flu in 2009?

It had a much higher mortality rate, and more severe symptoms for anyone who caught it - one being a whooping cough that sounded pretty alarming. Once the virus was popping up in different places, they stopped closing schools and banning events, declared it to be 'in the community' and forgot about it.

People in the US have way more chance of being shot and killed walking down the street than they do of being infected with corona, let alone dying of it.

'amazing that Africa is lagging in #s. i’ve read that maybe their ecosystem is not favorable to the virus'

You're naive. Most won't go near a doctor and pay the fee unless they're close to dying or in terrible pain. Flu like symptoms will be shrugged off. Anyone over 50 suddenly expiring will be viewed as a good death from old age, considering life expectancy in many African countries is 40 or less.

R73, I don’t know about other countries, but the U. S. has a really inefficient distribution system. There’s very little redundancy and a lot of our products are made in China and food is very often either packaged or assembled in China or has Chinese made packaging. That goes for meds too. The fact that bottles, jars and cans are almost all made in China alone could cause a bottleneck in food production.

People in the U.S. have more to fear from a breakdown in the food distribution system than the virus. I read that 85% of manufacturing in China was down a couple of weeks ago. They did try to bring workers back to one factory, then one of them was found to have the virus and the whole factory had to be quarantined. That’s what’s going to happen if they try to come back too soon.

The number of people that get the virus will hopefully be fairly small. The number of people that eat food that is mass produced is almost everyone.

R74 Most of Africa will continue to do what the US wanted to do until recently: No testing no virus! But the situation in SK/Japan/Italy forced the western media/stock market to panic and that in turn forced the US government to get serious about monitoring for coronavirus cases.

Time to remind you panicking preppers what happened in the last pandemic, swine flu. It lasted from April 2009 to August 2010, had a 0.8% death rate, similar to corona.

From Wikipedia:

It is estimated that in the 2009 flu pandemic 11–21% of the then global population (of about 6.8 billion), or around 700 million to 1.4 billion people, contracted the illness — more in absolute terms than the Spanish flu pandemic.

However, with about 150,000–575,000 fatalities, it had a much lower case fatality rate. In August 2010, the World Health Organization declared the swine flu pandemic officially over.[4][5]

I remember exactly what happened with this as I was working in a London school. From April to mid July, they tried containment, closing schools and places of work where the virus cropped up. By mid July they declared it was 'in the community' and stopped closing places. They advised anyone with symptoms to stay at home and only to visit a hospital if symptoms became severe.

This is how it will go with Corona too. So forget about the economy crashing and everyone hiding out at home living off tins of beans and biscuits. You'll all have to carry on and live with the prospect of infection and the vanishingly small chance of death.

Is anyone kind of excited? admittedly, I find day to day life so mundane and boring. Whenever natural disasters or tragedies occur, I of course feel sad and have compassion for those affected, but I always get this giddy feeling like oh something is happening!

R80, you are fucking crazy!

what about occicilium? anyone ever tried this when sick? does it work?

R80, yep. I was thrilled with swine flu too and was looking forward to my school closing. I like news about extreme weather, forest fires, earthquakes and hurricanes too. None of these affect London, which is boring.

R80 I was worried that I was a bit of a psycho, because part of me is like that. I'm bored to death with everyday life and sometimes I wish for something, anything to happen. I don't want anyone to get hurt (I don't really care what happens to me), but I enjoy seeing things out of the norm, what are the responses, how people behave. I want to know what is going to happen next.

From your lips to Jacinda's ears, r65

Right now it looks like the death rate for Corona virus is about 2% or more, not 0.8%. And unfortunately, even now we don’t know the true death rate with any accuracy, almost all the countries are either outright lying or not testing, like the U.S. Only South Korea and a couple others seem to actually have a good handle on accurately reporting numbers. In the case of the U.S., there’s so little testing, we have no idea what’s actually happening

In China, the government is welding people inside their entire apartment buildings. No one has ever done that for any flu, so don’t even try to tell me that’s normal or there’s nothing to be concerned about. Everything they have done is a sign of absolute desperation. Warehousing patients in large rooms with no barriers or medicines, boarding up people’s doors or dragging them out of the house. Not even China normally does that.

The main concern here isn’t the virus itself, it’s the ripple effect of the consequences of the virus. Quarantines meaning no work for many, schools closing meaning parents have to stay home, people avoiding restaurants and public places meaning business suffers. All leading to a recession and high unemployment.

In the U.S., schools are very rarely closed for viruses or flus no matter how bad they are. The fact that the government is even talking about it is highly unusual. Americans get two weeks vacation maximum in most cases and some places don’t pay for sick leave either, or don’t let their employees call in sick even if they have earned time off. Maternity leave is three months including before and after. Many workplaces don’t allow working from home even if it’s possible. Americans just don’t have much paid time off even if you take every kind you can. And many employers pressure their employees not to take it, or fire them for taking it. Closing schools is a no go for that reason, until now at least.

The other thing that’s alarming is Trump is making all the same mistakes China made, only now we know better. Inadequate quarantine procedures, too short quarantines that are voluntary and unsupervised, medical personnel with inadequate protective wear. As a result many caretakers have fallen ill. And many caretakers are now in quarantine, making them unavailable to care for patients. If they are only quarantined for fourteen days, it’s very likely they will go back to work infected and contagious, showing no signs, caring for already very ill hospitalized patients suffering from other illnesses. Same as what happened in China. Nurses will have the opportunity to spread the virus throughout hospitals. Hospitals will become death factories if the quarantine times aren’t lengthened. All this because of Trump’s denial and lack of leadership.

Due to inadequate protective clothing and equipment, by the time this is over a large percentage of medical personnel in China will be unavailable, maybe dead. Thousands of medical personnel are sick. Meanwhile in the U.S., no masks and people have been sent to care for patients with no protective clothing or instructions. And communities near patients are seeing spread because there’s not enough tracking or testing and sick people are wandering the community.

It’s China all over again. Is it preventable? Yes. Is it being prevented? No.

R79, You need to reread your Wikipedia page. The swine flu had a mortality rate of 0.01-0.08, not 0.8. So far the Coronavirus has an estimated mortality rate between 1 and 2 percent.

So much deadlier, but, like the swine flu, extremely contagious. I'm seeing estimates ranging from 30 to 70 percent of the total population eventually being infected with it. But even if it stays at 11-21 percent like the swine flu you're looking at more than a billion people being infected and, if the mortality rate holds tens of millions of people dying from it--not 500,000.

So worry or don't worry about the coronavirus, but don't fool yourself--all indications are that it's much deadlier than the swine flu, while being as contagious as the common cold.

CNN-Germany now has 150 confirmed cases

CNN-The youngest patient in South Korea is a 45-day-old baby whose parents are both infected

The baby tested positive on February 29. His mother tested positive on the same day, and his father had already tested positive on February 27, said North Gyeongsang Provincial Governor Lee Cheol-woo on Sunday.

Community treatment: South Korea is designating several community treatment centers for confirmed coronavirus cases with mild symptoms and less serious health conditions, in an effort to provide adequate medical treatments for patients with serious conditions, Jung Eun-kyeong, the head of South Korean Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said today.

CNN-Japan cancels Fashion Week over coronavirus fears

CNN-Singapore confirms 4 new novel coronavirus cases

CNN-Andorra reports its first case of coronavirus

CNN-Kuwait reports 10 more cases of coronavirus

Ten more people have tested positive for coronavirus in Kuwait, bringing the national total to 56 cases, Kuwait’s health ministry said today. All the cases are associated with travel to Iran, and are currently in good health, according to the ministry.

Why do all these shitty flus originate in China? Seriously, can someone explain?

[quote]People in the US have way more chance of being shot and killed walking down the street than they do of being infected with corona, let alone dying of it.

Please, this is the Datalounge. EVERYONE here thinks they already have it or will have it within the next week or so.

Personally, I have had it since 1973.

I think I have between frozen and shelf stable foods enough for my partner and I and our puppies for about 2-3 months. Decent amount of meds, masks, gloves, sanitizer, bleach.

Any input on the zinc tabs? Cold-eze? Worthwhile? I have multi vitamins but didn’t get any specialized supplements...

I’ve used Cold Eeze when I felt like I was coming down with a cold and it cleared right up.

But too much zinc is bad for you. So get some, but don’t take it unless you start feeling like you’re coming down with something. I highly recommend it. I always keep some around.

[QUOTE] Right now it looks like the death rate for Corona virus is about 2% or more, not 0.8%.

Swine flu's mortality rate started out at 5%. It came down over time, as increasing numbers got infected and recovered. Same will occur with corona.

We live in a society which panics much more quickly than it did even ten years ago, which accounts for school closures.

Wonder if the woman in NYC who has it took the subway after she got back from Iran.

[QUOTE] Why do all these shitty flus originate in China? Seriously, can someone explain?

It's because they eat weird meats like snake. Aids spread in the same way, from Africans eating green monkey meat.

R80 I admit it. I'm also quietly hoping this forces my antiquated employer to understand that remote work (which I've been begging for for years) won't fucking kill them.

And not so quietly, when I saw the report about how much carbon emissions had gone down over China, I was like that boy in "Hope & Glory" when his school was blown up in the Blitz.

I realize this might sound nutty, but I just threw away quite a few packages of food (low-carb konjac noodles) made in China.

Wuhan, after all, is a major manufacturing site.

Plus, I didn't care for the one brand's attempt to obfuscate the info by printing only "PRC".

OP, thank you for choosing the best possible title. Although technically it's "StayING Alive."

Coronavirus Double-Feature!

R99 i LOVE that you referenced Hope & Glory. I’m in a similar boat with my employer hoping this creates a much needed change to policy.

Guys, you're all forgetting what is easily the most relevant John Travolta flick of all:

The Boy in the Plastic Bubble

A title suggestion for thread 11: Battlefield Flu

World War C would be a good one too.

I give this til June and then they'll stop containing it and stop closing places down too.

R97 I hope to a right so I can feel a great weight lifted on the shoulders. If this turns out nothing but I'll party of a year.

R23, r24 some Iranians are licking shrines to prove they don't fear the corona virus. Perhaps we have some future Darwin Award winners here.

CNBC: San Antonio Mayor Ron Nirenberg is blasing the the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention for mistakenly releasing a COVID-19 patient who was quarantined near San Antonio, saying it was unacceptable. “We will hold the CDC accountable to providing complete transparency for the public,” Nirenberg said in a statement Sunday. “This situation is exactly why we have been asking for federal officials to accept the guidance of our medical community.”

I can see a lot of lawsuits coming out of the US.

Millions of tweets peddled conspiracy theories about coronavirus in other countries, an unpublished U.S. report says.

Roughly 2 million tweets peddled conspiracy theories about the coronavirus over the three-week period when the outbreak began to spread outside China, according to an unreleased report from an arm of the State Department, raising fresh fears about Silicon Valley’s preparedness to combat a surge of dangerous disinformation online.

The wrongful, harmful posts floated a number of hoaxes — suggesting, for example, that the coronavirus had been created by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation or was the result of a bioweapon. These and other identified falsehoods represented 7 percent of the total tweets the government studied and were “potentially impactful on the broader social media conversation,” according to the report, which was obtained Saturday by The Washington Post.

Still another hoax said an arm of the Defense Department created the virus and targeted China. Those tweets gained traction with the aid of accounts that appeared to be automated, known as bots, that have tweeted at an unnatural rate in recent weeks, according to the State Department's conclusions.

[quote]I can see a lot of lawsuits coming out of the US.

Same as it ever was,

[quote] Were you doomsday types around for swine flu in 2009?

Completely different : contagious people were showing symptoms and could be contained. Most of COVID-19' carriers don't, and the infectious level is higher. Stop comparing a new virus to old viruses. We're on thread 10 and it seems like none of them has given you any information. You don't read and spout bullshit.

Like the moron who thinks he won't have it because his immune system is strong : by definition you can't be immune to viruses your system has never encountered, you fucking mouth-breather. This guy's supposed to be a teacher somewhere.

There was a time where simpletons knew they were simpletons and at least listened to those who weren't. Today the world is full of proud and defiant cretins.

Thank you r112.

Now the rest of us will just shut up, sit quietly and wait for your wise and informed posts.

Have you thought lately about pounding sand up your ass?

The US had 60 Million cases of Swine Flu and 12,000+ deaths, and people still treat it as a dismissive punch line.

[quote] Now the rest of us will just shut up, sit quietly and wait for your wise and informed posts.

Please DO that.

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Simple but sobering observation.

The fact that the CDC says Stop Buying Masks says a lot. They say masks are needed for health care workers and family caregivers of the critically ill. Regular folks won’t need them. Why?

Possibly means

1. they will soon be recommending that we all self isolate so as to lessen the risk we will be in contact with infected individuals (no sporting events, no theatre, and limited air, cruise travel or other close voluntary congregating: e.g. The Louvre was closed), thus no need for masks; and,

2. they’re afraid the Heslth care workers and infected households won’t have enough masks available to meet needs.

IOW, despite isolation, they expect A LOT of people to get critically sick.

I got two Costco boxes of Zicam and some Propel packets for my parents, who are in their 60's. They're both taking one Zicam a day. If they feel cold symptom coming on, the box says to take one every 2-3 hours.

I'm not worried about 'zinc toxicity' from them taking a Zicam once a day for a few months, or several Zicam for several days to get over a cold.

A 29-year-old Russian man diagnosed with coronavirus has became the country’s first citizen to be found ill with the disease while inside of the country, The Guardian's Andrew Roth reports from Moscow.

David Berov, who had returned from a ski trip to northern Italy on 23 February and checked into a hospital several days later, had tested positive for the disease, Russian authorities said on Monday. Two tests had returned negative results before a third test showed Berov was indeed infected with the coronavirus.

In a series of videos reposted by Russian media, Berov filmed scenes from his quarantine, where he was being held in a single room with other suspected coronavirus patients.

“When we got there we asked the medical staff why we are all lying together in the same room – any one of us could infect the others,” Berov , an English-language newspaper, by phone from the hospital. Doctors at Moscow’s Infectious Diseases hospital No 1 had later told him not to tell Russian health officials that he had been held in a single room with other suspected coronavirus patients, the paper said.

Be careful with zinc. It can play unexpected havoc. Reportedly can adversely (and permanently) damage sense of smell.

Good news for me, r74.

Don't forget, we had the Ebola big time.

#AfricanSurvivorman

[quote]The virus can live on surfaces for days...up to 9 days! Please bleach your whole house!

r39 as stated in a previous thread, use hyrogen peroxide, not bleach

R120, the nasal-spray zinc can cause loss of sense of smell, not the lozenges.

But your post is a good reminder for those who may not know about that side effect with the nasal spray. I remember years ago listening to Terry Gross interview a food critic who lost her sense of smell (and to a large degree, taste) after using nasal Zicam.

UPDATE 10:00 am EST

CASES : 89,850

DEATHS : 3,069

CRITICAL/SERIOUS : 7,374

Whenever I see the cv UPDATE, it triggers the Unsolved Mysteries UPDATE 'breakthrough' graphic and music in my brain.

[quote]Oddly, for a respiratory illness, an anal swab is apparently more accurate than a throat swab for detecting the virus.

Rimmers beware: The finding of live virus particles in stool specimens indicates a fecal-oral route for coronavirus, which may be why it’s caused outbreaks on cruise ships with an intensity often seen with gastro-causing norovirus, which also spreads along that pathway.

My nephew is in college, and is going on Spring break in Mexico next week with 20 other kids. The spring breakers are going to spread this like wildfire, with all of the drunken hookups, packing 6 kids in 1 room, and such.

The woman in NYC is a health care worker. She was working in Iran. She flew back to NYC with her husband (also a health care worker). She is 39 years old. They expect her husband to be positive for the virus as well.

They did not take public transportation. They took private car. They were tested at Mount Sinai.

We're got 2 new deaths in France, 4 total.

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CNN-New York will begin bleaching buses and schools, governor says

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said the state is implementing new cleaning protocols at schools, on public transit and other public areas to protect against coronavirus.

""So if people smell — if it smells like bleach when you get on a bus or when a child goes to school, it's not bad cologne or perfume, it is bleach," he said."

Cuomo added that the state will soon move emergency legislation authorizing $40 million for extra staff and equipment.

CNN-French region closes more than 100 schools for 2 weeks

A regional administration in France has announced the closure of more than 100 schools in the Oise region, affecting more than 28,000 students, the Academie d’Amiens said. Ten high schools, 11 middle schools and 87 primary schools have been shut from today until March 14.

CNN-BMW quarantines 150 German employees after one worker tests positive for coronavirus

BMW has put about 150 employees under quarantine in Munich, Germany, after one employee tested positive for coronavirus.

CNN-Adviser to Iran's Supreme Leader dies from Coronavirus, state radio reports

Mohammad Mirmohammadi, 71, was a member of the Expediency Council that advises Khamenei.

[quote]My nephew is in college, and is going on Spring break in Mexico next week with 20 other kids. The spring breakers are going to spread this like wildfire, with all of the drunken hookups, packing 6 kids in 1 room, and such.

I anticipate headlines I can rip from. Perhaps we can break our record for plot twists in a single episode.

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[quote]Why do all these shitty flus originate in China? Seriously, can someone explain?

Cause they'll eat anything. And prefer eating freshly killed meat purchased at special markets. There the disease-carrying animals intermingle while waiting to be slaughtered. As a Pakistani man told to me "we don't eat those foods" by way of explaining to me why it didn't originate in Pakistan.

I just saw a commercial on NBC for the Tokyo Olympics.

Dream On ...........

A little levity.

I thought the meats of preference in China were of the feline and canine varieties.

[quote]Like the moron who thinks he won't have it because his immune system is strong : by definition you can't be immune to viruses your system has never encountered, you fucking mouth-breather.

Those were my thoughts exactly when I read that idiot's post in the last thread.

R139 do you know how to properly post a twitter link?

Not all of Zicam's products actually contain zinc, R118.

[quote] Dr. Matt McCarthy: NY Presbyterian Hospital on Coronavirus: "We are not testing at full capacity and that is a national scandal. We're being told that things are ok ... That's just not the way we're talking about it in medical circles."

Truth tellers. Last two minutes not to be missed.

Meanwhile S.Korea tests thousands of patients in a day. CDC cannot even be held to an exact date when the new test kits shall be ready. First they said "very soon" last week, when pressed for the date, and a jpurnalist asked if they would be available by the end of this week, Dr.Gottleib said they would probably be ready in two weeks. Massive fail here.

I've been harping on this since the beginning.

Nyc’ers r145 s video is super scary. Its going to be a crazy month or two.

How are the stock markets doing today? Anyone following it?

I don't understand the point of buying water. it's not like there is a storm and the power will be knocked out and you may not get clean water from pipes etc.

R53, that's simply not true. The number of deaths attributed to the flu are grossly overstated, most often because the flu can weaken older folks enough that they come down with pneumonia and die as a result of that. Yet the deaths are reported as flu deaths.

R149, are you a public utility disaster management expert? I wouldn't make assumptions like that. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

R146, same here! I'm the poster calling the CDC useless cunts in previous threads (numerous posts) and then there were these other health care workers on here taking CDC sides claiming you can't blame the CDC due to some BS technical reason etc etc etc...

From a friend who posted this on Facebook. She LIVES IN ITALY:

"To all my friends around the world.

1. We are all ok. Coronavirus is a flu, guys, it's not the plague. And to be honest, it is not the hardest flu ever.

2. Italian healthcare is one of the best in the world. And, unbelievable, it is 100% for free. No insurance plan, no credit card. Health in Italy is a a primary right for everyone, even for you when visiting this amazing country.

3. Milan is not controlled by the military police, people live, love, walk and work as usual. Our Health Authorities have made the decision of suspending many activities involving large communities, as schools, gyms, movie theatres, concerts JUST to reduce the risk of contamination. We had more or less 300 positive cases only because we carried out the test over almost 9000 people out of 60 million. In the US you had around 20 cases out of 400 tests...it means the incidence in Italy is 3%, in the USA is 5%....but omg, only 400 tests out of 300 million people!!!!

4. The real virus we must take care of is ignorance. Ignorance of other nationalities complaining against Chinese people; ignorance of the press, ignorance of many opinion leaders, ignorance of many politicians.

Spring is close. Summer is not far. Buy a ticket, book a room and come to Italy.

You'll find sun, food, culture and art, as always! "

I would still like to know who is responsible for this test kit failure. We had weeks and probably need another 2 weeks to even START testing a significant amount of people. What kind of major fuck up is this and who is responsible? Other countries are already testing thousands of people each day and NY so far only tested 32 people. There could be thousands of cases already in the US and we don't know what's going on.

There were experts on CNN telling use that the first man who died (in the usa) was in the hospital for weeks and 2 weeks was lost because CDC didn't want to test him, coz he didn't travel to China blah blah blah...maybe they were afraid their incompetence would be exposed.

Hundreds of passengers on the Caribbean Princess have fallen ill. The ship remains docked in Port Everglades, Florida.

R153 sounds like your friend works for the Milano tourism office.

Thanks for that week-old update R156.

Very reassuring, R153 . . . . . . . .

“In the US you had around 20 cases out of 400 tests”

What the hell Is this FALSE STATISTIC being posted on here?

I specifically sent them the Zicam zinc lozenges, R143.

R156 The CARIBBEAN PRINCESS just docked in Florida over the weekend.

Your confusing it with the DIAMOND PRINCESS.

I think R156 is referencing another stricken cruise ship, R158.

NTY's Michael M. Grynbaum:

CNN is severely restricting all employee travel, including domestic, due to coronavirus, per memo that just went out. Intercontinental trips must be personally approved by Jeff Zucker, per memo.

Yes r163. They are two different ships, both owned by Princess Cruises.

Did you see the influencers on insta still going to fashion shows in Paris and Italy? Should those people self quarantine when they return to the USA? I know that many companies are making their employees stay home for 2 wks if they come back from an affected country...like bloomberg.

from Italy: 1835 case 258 more to yesterday 52 death 18 more to yesterday 149 healed so 1634 under care of wich they said roughly half is at home and the other half hospitalized, 140 intensive care.

CNN-New Hampshire's first presumptive case of coronavirus is a person who had traveled to Italy

CNN-Top US general says military preparing for all coronavirus scenarios, including potential pandemic

"The United States military looks at a wide variety of scenarios," Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff said at the Pentagon, adding that "pandemic is the worst case."

"Of course we do all kinds of planning in the department of defense," Milley told reporters, adding that the military labs are working on a vaccine. "With respect to the vaccine, yes, the military labs are working very consistently ... working in direct support with health and human services."

We re-watched Contagion last night. It made me remember that when we saw it in the theater back in the day, after the doctor informed Matt Damon that Gwyneth Paltrow had died, Matt screamed “my wife did not have herpes!” and the whole theater cracked up. It was still funny last night.

So many countries are now affected, I doubt self quarantine after returning from Europe, Asia or the Middle East matters anymore. There're cases now all over Europe, not just Italy. We would have to close all borders and suspend all international travel to contain this and it's probably too late anyway.

CNN-How South Korea is using drive-throughs to test for coronavirus

Here's how it works:

In the northern city of Goyang, drivers pull in to a parking lot.

In the northern city of Goyang, drivers pull in to a parking lot.

Motorists then drive to several stations where nurses in protective plastic suits, masks and face shields register drivers.

They also check their temperatures and use swabs to take samples from their throats and nasal passages.

Officials say it is safer and faster to test for the virus at the drive-through than in a hospital or health clinic.

"There's less face-to-face contact," said Lee Jae-joon, the mayor of Goyang. "If you operate a testing site indoors, there is concern that suspected patients can infect each other in the waiting room."

How nice that the stricken cruise docked in Florida at the same time Spring Break is just getting underway.

cnn-British Airways cancels flights due to coronavirus-related lack of demand

The cancelations will impact flights between March 16 and March 28 and include:

Cancelling 12 roundtrips from London Heathrow to New York JFK

Cancelling 171 short-haul roundtrip flights from London Heathrow to countries including Italy, France, Austria, Belgium, Germany, Ireland, Switzerland

Cancelling 7 short-haul roundtrip flights from Gatwick to Italy, France and Albania

Cancelling 26 short-haul roundtrip flights from London City to Germany and Italy

“We will be contacting customers on cancelled flights so we can discuss their travel options, including rebooking onto other carriers where possible, full refunds or booking with BA for a later date of travel,” the statement added.

I talked to a friend who reads 4chan regularly and the rumors going around include

-the virus was created in a lab (I'm guessing this comes from a Young Earther who thinks any organism that wasn't created when God made the world 6000 years ago must be a monster from a lab)

-the virus only affects non-whites (definitely a white supremacist meme)

-it's a cross between a virus and a fungus (which means it travels via spores like the pods in "Invasion of the Body Snatchers")

Keep calm and wash your hands.

On the bright side, it's hilarious that religious ceremonies are being cancelled. Churches in Washington state are halting the serving of communion. Since a communion wafer is the literal body of Christ, how is it possible that Christ would spread Coronavirus?

An interesting discussion of the 1918 influenza epidemic in Philadelphia, where a deadly outbreak was traced to a war bonds parade. Avoiding crowds is a good idea.

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[quote]the virus was created in a lab

The QAnon crowd is all in with this theory, maintaining that the project was funded by George Soros and the virus has been weaponized to defeat Trump.

Someone in the prior thread posted great tips on how to slow down spread of the virus. It was from Reddit, I may bring it over to re-post. Simple common sense such as no hand-shaking, wearing gloves, washing hands appropriately, sanitizing doorknobs, keyboards, etc. Nothing to actually stop the virus, but great tips what would slow the spread considerably if implemented by EVERYONE.

Which brings me to this: why isn't the US govt putting PSAs out on television, basic and cable, 24/7, encouraging safe practices and behaviors? Running them every hour on the hour, during commercial breaks and in between programming. If everyone would get on board with practicing the same mildly time-consuming behaviors, we'd all perhaps stay healthy long enough for medications or a vaccine to be developed.

Question: washing your hands is a sound practice, but what about drying them? I use hand towels at home - won't I just re-infect if I keep using those on my hands? Shouldn't we use paper towels to dry off after washing (since most of us don't have fancy hand air dryers at home) and dispose of these properly?

Tldr: will washing my home bath towels and hand cloths in hot water and detergent kill this virus? Or do I need to add bleach to the wash.

and most importantly, COVER YOUR COUGH, COUGH INTO YOUR ELBOW! TURN YOUR HEAD AWAY FROM PEOPLE TO COUGH!

I'm in nyc and every fucking day I walk by people who don't cover their coughs!

I also make sure I stay far away from people, like 6 feet if possible.

I no longer buy food from salad bars, you don't know who's been coughing nearby...I used to eat from the whole foods salad bar all the time. NO MORE.

R53 No, pneumonia-caused deaths even if listed as such would also be reported to CDC as unspecified/ unusual pathogens. Please don't think that we just treat your acute pneumonia with random meds and therapy without testing for which types of pathogens caused it in the first place. Again, if there was anything novel or unusual it would've been reported to the CDC. So in short, no there have been no PNA-related deaths others than possibly the two known recent deaths due to COVID-19.

It also wouldn't do any good to test people who are sick with flu symptoms for no reason. We pan-any patients who present with flu symptoms anyways, and quite many of them especially those who are medically frail do test (+) for more than one pathogen. The worst thing we can do is to encourage people who have mild cold/ flu symptoms to bombard the hospitals, ER, and urgent care to demand to be tested. Talk about making it easier for pathogenic illnesses to spread, that's one avenue for advanced nations to promote community transmission of infectious illnesses.

Case fatality rate (CFR) measures severity of a disease and is defined as the proportion of reported cases of a specified disease which are fatal within a specified time. CFR of infected individuals ages 30-80 who subsequently developed COVID-19 and had critical illness is 1.2%. CFR of infected individuals ages 70-79 is 8.0%. Ages 80 and older is 14.8%. No deaths ages 9 or younger. No deaths in mild and severe cases, however if patients had critical cases then it’s approximately 49% fatality rate. Severe illness is defined as dyspnea, respiratory rate greater than 30/ minute, O2 saturation less than 93%, lung infiltrate greater than 50% within 24-48 hours, partial pressure of arterial O2 to fraction of inspired O2 ratio of less than 300. Critical illness is defined here as respiratory failure, septic shock, and MODS (multiple organ dysfunction syndrome). If you have critical illness as defined by ay of those sequelae then you're fucked, it doesn't matter virus or no virus.

We've had a few patients tested because they'd not tested positive for any of the pan cultures that were ran. I have a patient who was going to be tested until she tested (+) for a few strains of the flu virus, her immune system compromised due to immunosuppression meds she takes as part of her post- heart transplant regimen. Now she is one of those who are at risk for cytokine storm due to her history of heart transplant and chronic lung disease.

We are constantly being updated and we're concerned but not freaking out. The worst thing to do is to have leadership or experts encouraging people to act upon undue panic. Vigilance born out of rational concern, yes, but mass freak outs, no. I've had family and friends hit me up for N95 masks asking me to steal them from work, and that is insane. Wearing masks give people false sense of security, when the best course of action is to encourage those who are sick to self-quarantine by staying at home.

Of course this epidemic is an ongoing, evolving event and things can change very quickly and for the worse, and as health professionals we have to be prepared for that (without freaking out). I was going to post some daily updates from internal UC updates and protocols a couple of days ago. But I was banned from doing so due to posters on these threads FF'ing my previous posts because I wasn't sufficiently freaked out enough and because I contradicted speculations that are false. So if I don't get to post updates again, I'll just say this: please for the love of humanity, don't go to the hospital if you have mild symptoms or illness because there's nothing that can help anyways besides staying home, hydration and antipyretics. If you don't improve then coordinate being seen at urgent care or ER, call if you can to get directed to either one depending on severity of symptoms.

R181 If you want to kill pathogens then a mild bleach bath/ wash would be slightly better. As for hand washing and drying, paper towels are better than cloth towels that are reused. For those who use disinfecting hand gels, you can gel up to about 5-6 times before you need to wash your hands again. If you go more than 5-6 times gelling your hands then it loses effectiveness. At least that's what we've been taught in healthcare.

It seems like executive branch is dragging their feet purposely on info, testing and muzzling federal cdc spokes people as if they want lots of elderly and immune compromised people to die. Fits in with the GOP wanting to diminish SS & Medicare. The fact that there are no tests is quite telling. THEY.DON’T.CARE.

R180 Was it this post? I thought it contained a lot of good information too. I copy and pasted it to some family members, so I have it easily on hand:

Subject: What I am doing for the upcoming COVID-19 (coronavirus) pandemic

Dear Colleagues, as some of you may recall, when I was a professor of pathology at the University of California San Diego, I was one of the first molecular virologists in the world to work on coronaviruses (the 1970s). I was the first to demonstrate the number of genes the virus contained. Since then, I have kept up with the coronavirus field and its multiple clinical transfers into the human population (e.g., SARS, MERS), from different animal sources.

The current projections for its expansion in the US are only probable, due to continued insufficient worldwide data, but it is most likely to be widespread in the US by mid to late March and April.

Here is what I have done and the precautions that I take and will take. These are the same precautions I currently use during our influenza seasons, except for the mask and gloves.:

NO HANDSHAKING! Use a fist bump, slight bow, elbow bump, etc.

Use ONLY your knuckle to touch light switches. elevator buttons, etc.. Lift the gasoline dispenser with a paper towel or use a disposable glove.

Open doors with your closed fist or hip - do not grasp the handle with your hand, unless there is no other way to open the door. Especially important on bathroom and post office/commercial doors.

Use disinfectant wipes at the stores when they are available, including wiping the handle and child seat in grocery carts.

Wash your hands with soap for 10-20 seconds and/or use a greater than 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer whenever you return home from ANY activity that involves locations where other people have been.

Keep a bottle of sanitizer available at each of your home's entrances. AND in your car for use after getting gas or touching other contaminated objects when you can't immediately wash your hands.

If possible, cough or sneeze into a disposable tissue and discard. Use your elbow only if you have to. The clothing on your elbow will contain infectious virus that can be passed on for up to a week or more!

What I have stocked in preparation for the pandemic spread to the US:

Latex or nitrile latex disposable gloves for use when going shopping, using the gasoline pump, and all other outside activity when you come in contact with contaminated areas.

Note: This virus is spread in large droplets by coughing and sneezing. This means that the air will not infect you! BUT all the surfaces where these droplets land are infectious for about a week on average - everything that is associated with infected people will be contaminated and potentially infectious. The virus is on surfaces and you will not be infected unless your unprotected face is directly coughed or sneezed upon. This virus only has cell receptors for lung cells (it only infects your lungs) The only way for the virus to infect you is through your nose or mouth via your hands or an infected cough or sneeze onto or into your nose or mouth.

2) Stock up now with disposable surgical masks and use them to prevent you from touching your nose and/or mouth (We touch our nose/mouth 90X/day without knowing it!). This is the only way this virus can infect you - it is lung-specific. The mask will not prevent the virus in a direct sneeze from getting into your nose or mouth - it is only to keep you from touching your nose or mouth.

3) Stock up now with hand sanitizers and latex/nitrile gloves (get the appropriate sizes for your family). The hand sanitizers must be alcohol-based and greater than 60% alcohol to be effective.

4) Stock up now with zinc lozenges. These lozenges have been proven to be effective in blocking coronavirus (and most other viruses) from multiplying in your throat and nasopharynx. Use as directed several times each day when you begin to feel ANY "cold-like" symptoms beginning. It is best to lie down and let the lozenge dissolve in the back of your throat and nasopharynx. Cold-Eeze lozenges is one brand available, but there are other brands available.

I, as many others do, hope that this pandemic will be reasonably contained, BUT I personally do not think it will be. Humans have never seen this snake-associated virus before and have no internal defense against it. Tremendous worldwide efforts are being made to understand the molecular and clinical virology of this virus. Unbelievable molecular knowledge about the genomics, structure, and virulence of this virus has already been achieved. BUT, there will be NO drugs or vaccines available this year to protect us or limit the infection within us. Only symptomatic support is available.

I hope these personal thoughts will be helpful during this potentially catastrophic pandemic. You are welcome to share this email. Good luck to all of us! Jim”

I’m on a Transatlantic cruise for a week. There are hand sanitizer dispensers everywhere and crew are squirting it on passengers at the dining rooms. The ship is not crowded so some people must have canceled or been eliminated by screening. There are no ports of call so if no one got on the ship with the virus, we should be fine until we reach our destination.

[quote]crew are squirting it on passengers

Pics please.

[quote]As of 4 days ago only 450 people had been tested because the initial production of test kits were recalled because if a "lab glitch ".

BULL this is being done on purpose so people can't be tested. This way there is nothing to report. Trump team hoping this will die down before they HAVE to send the test kits out.

R189, I went on a cruise a couple of years ago, not in flu season, and they had people standing outside of the buffet restaurants with hand sanitizer. They would put it on your hands as you entered. It is a good practice at all times. It obviously doesn’t stop coughing though.

CNBC: The CDC says there are currently 91 confirmed or presumed positive cases of COVID-19 in the U.S. At least 48 of those are people who were evacuated from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak, and the Diamond Princess cruise ship. At least 17 cases — 12 confirmed and 5 presumptive positive — are travel-related infections. Twenty-six cases — 16 confirmed and 27 presumptive positive — are from human-to-human interaction, according to the agency’s website. The CDC reported just over 60 confirmed cases on Sunday.

More CDC incompetence:

The CDC abruptly postponed a media briefing that was originally scheduled for noon today— at the last minute and without explanation. The agency was expected to discuss new cases in California and Washington state that were confirmed over the weekend, as well as the nation’s first two deaths outside of Seattle. “This call has been canceled and will be rescheduled, please disconnect from the call,” an operator announced to reporters on hold for the call.

Frau here, 'weighing in'; can we have a Datalounge cooking show if it all goes to shit and we really do have to live on 10lbs of rice and beanie weenies for a few weeks?

Look around you, r176.

See the signs.

Jesus and his Father are very angry about something, but they didn't cancel religious services.

It's that damn bitch Eve's fault. Here and her damned apple. And that freakin' Adam, what a pussywhipped wuss!

R92 Because they don't. Shitty flus like H1N1 come straight from here. And the US doesn't even bother to identify the mystery illness that's been going around. If you ignore it, you don't have to be responsible for it. That's why they wouldn't even test for this virus until forced to. This country doesn't give a shit about your health unlike other places.

Majority of them have come from China! google it!

Is it incompetence, R193, or did the government prohibit the call?

So, I was bagging my groceries at Wallyworld this morning, and without thinking about it, I licked my thumb and used it to pull one of those flimsy bags open. Then it hit me, how many other people have done the same thing, how much spittle must be on those things?

I think I need to go lie down.

R194 i would all in on some quarantine cooking posts!

Pence didn't approve of it probably....

Disinfect your cellphones and keyboards daily, people.

These are often overlooked, and they're crawling with germs because our hands are on them all day long.

You can make a homemade solution of isopropyl alcohol and water to disinfect your phone. It'll cost you like $2.50.

better yet, keep the phone in a ziplock ( you can still use the screen no problem, I've tried) then change a new one every day. I've previously used this method in the rain, will do it now every day.

better yet, keep the phone in a ziplock ( you can still use the screen no problem, I've tried) then change a new one every day. I've previously used this method in the rain, will do it now every day.

R202 I just use disinfection wipes. It also makes your phone look new(ish) again when all the fingerprint stains have been wiped away.

R199 Just take a chill pill and you'll be fine!

I invited a friend over for sometime this week, then found out he had flown to Vegas to see Cher over the weekend. Now I'm thinking I should uninvite him. If I catch the virus, I want to catch it from seeing Cher, not from the person who saw Cher. Am I being paranoid?

I'm not really worried about my phone. If it's got viruses on it then they're probably already all over me anyway. Just keeping it reasonably clean should be fine.

NBC's Richard Engel:

Just finished interview with Dr. Fauci, US director of infectious diseases. Hour-long interview. Detailed. He said: We're dealing with clearly an emerging infectious disease that has “now reached outbreak proportions and likely pandemic proportions.”

Dr. Fauci, cautiously, thinks current mortality rate will go down as more cases discovered: “I think 2.5% is probably a bit high... It's dangerous to make firm kinds of predictions. I think it likely will be down around 1 percent, but I'm not sure.”

R208, your goal should be to catch it directly from Cher. Have some ambition!

2 new cases in FL.

Do we need a new thread for every 300 posts?

It seems like when any of these threads get 300+ they start crashing.

5 now dead of coronavirus in WA state.

Link, R215?

The other three deaths in WA state will turn out to be from the nursing home where most of the cases exist.

Have you heard of Google R216?

From this article it looks like you are going to need to stock up for 2 months or more.

R217

R218 is not me; for good reason we expect links when we post new news, sorry, R216

I had just heard it on the news and hastily posted because the thread keeps crashing.

Now it's up to six in WA state, four of them linked to the nursing facility.

I have a friend who was infected in 2009 by the Swine Flu. She was quarantined for a month in her apartment, by herself. It took her over 6 months to recover well enough to return to work full-time. She was in her thirties, no comorbidities, not obese.

The guy from Health and Human services just said that most people won't get sick, and then those that do will have mild cases..."like the flu".

This is from a live press conference on the local CBS channel here in Seattle.

None of this had to happen.

YOUR CORONA UPDATE : 2:50 pm EST

CASES : 90,294

DEATHS: 3,086

Continuing re Wash state cases: All who died were old and had other health issues.

R226, can't you make an Alexa skill for that?

"Alexa, what's the Datalounge Coronavirus Update?"

etc

And ALL the Washington state deaths occurred at the same hospital in Kirkland, Wa.

Costco HQ is Kirkland, WA.

^oops, Issaquah.

Issaquah, Kirkland, tomato, tomahto

A death is a death. Maybe they were "old and sick" but they were still capable of spreading the virus to the "young and vital."

A sixth death in Washington.

THIS IS MANSLAUGHTER!! The administration knew about this over a month ago and did NOTHING????????

So, when this starts killing all the deplorables do you think they might finally begin criticizing Cheetolini? Surely, they'll cancel those stupid rallies he holds.

Sorry r228, but I don't trust that bitch Alexa.

She's secretly working for Donald Trump and she would like about that facts.

Won't someone think of the PROSTATOOTS!!!!!!!? Their work just dried up!

The developing situation in the US is a complete disgrace. They had many weeks to prepare for this following the outbreak in China. This administration has blood on its hands

Prostate Tooters

With great big hooters

How long before Trump becomes totally inaccessible, and continually sends Mickey Pence to address the angry nation?

Why did the “president” need to appoint some one else anyway? What’s keeping him so busy?

The families of these manslaughter victims are going to sue the administration to kingdom come.

Pence won't hold press conferences.

He'll hold prayer services.

[quote]Is it incompetence, [R193], or did the government prohibit the (CDC) call?

Per POLITICO: A White House spokesperson later said the CDC would participate in an afternoon briefing today on the coronavirus response with Vice President Mike Pence.

The CDC today also removed information on its website that detailed how many people in the country had been tested for the virus. It now only displays the number of confirmed cases. CDC has not yet responded to a request for comment.

[quote]The families of these manslaughter victims are going to sue the administration to kingdom come.

Aww, your naiveté is adorable!

One thing is for sure, if the situation gets bad Trump will throw everyone under the bus including Pence to save his ass. Wonder how much dirt Pence has on Trump? Could get interesting. And where in the fuck is the republican leadership in the Senate? They are completely useless and have deferred all of their powers to the evil one

Trump has hurt us with his cuts to the CDC. Why doesn't the news report it? They have laid off Trump, why? He has killed us.

I'd Donald Trump was a Mafioso, he'd be known as "Donnie No-Balls'

Once these old grandpa/ma politicians figure out there's nowhere to run and nowhere to hide from a flu-like virus, they will get serious about it. The virus is most harmful to their age group after all.

CNBC: Morocco joined Latvia and Senegal in reporting the first cases of COVID-19 in each country on Monday. The outbreak, which originated in China, has since spread to more than 60 nations and five continents.

Now there are 100 cases of coronavirus in the US per CNN.

Why wouldn’t they sue?

Now is the time for some whistleblowers to come forward.

Just reported, another death in Washington State.

The administration probably called their foreign friends to bail out the stock market as people were dropping dead.

Washington State is going to house victims in a motel/hotel because they're running out of hospitals space.

"Why wouldn’t they sue?"

Because you can't sue the federal government unless it lets you. It's called "sovereign immunity".

R256 Link?

In was listening to NPR on my radio.

King County Executive Dow Constantine announced an emergency declaration at the news conference, which would help allocate resources to respond to further cases.

Constantine said a motel was being purchased by the county to house isolated patients. Using modular homes already owned by the county to house patients was another option the executive brought up.

R260 Only 14 cases? If they had a super-spreader running around town causing all of this, the number will go up fast. Even if they don't bother to test, the symptoms will start showing up over the coming weeks.

If thats the case, r249, We're going to have to get Mayor Pete to reconsider.

Why so few cases on the east coast?

[quote] The outbreak, which originated in China, has since spread to more than 60 nations and five continents.

But it's still not a pandemic!!

Just came back from home depot in mid town manhattan. They are running low on bleach, out of lysol wipes, no masks either. I wasn't even gonna buy gloves but they were getting low in quantity so I decided to buy it just in case...I can always return it in 90 days. I got the latex ones and nitrile ones and also bought bleach.

On the streets, I saw many, many supermarket delivery guys pushing trolleys making home deliveries...a lot of water and paper towels

r247, cutting lifesaving public services and incompetent disaster response is standard Republican operating procedure.

In China they did a lung transplant on someone whose lungs were damaged with the coronavirus.

I wonder where in Manhattan the woman with the virus lives...She went to Mt. Sinai hospital, did she walk there? Does she live in the upper east side?

I mean how can you work in Iran and also have an apt in the NYC? Is this airbnb? This is fishy...

They (husband and wife) are health care workers in nyc and did they realize it's a shit show over there so they came here to get treatment?

As far as stockpiling, you know what's going to happen if there's a real life or death shortage of food and potable water...people are going to go around kicking down doors and stealing other people's stockpiles. So it's kind of pointless. Unless your plan includes stationing someone at every entrance of your home 24/7 with a rocket launcher or something.

If only there is a way you can find that out R268.

R247, can you back up that claim? what cuts did he make? He wanted to cut the budget but congress did not allow it! Congress increased the budget year after year. He did get rid of that pandemic position though...

Here is the link I posted in the last thread...the CDC are useless cunts!!!

"In fact, all of Trump’s budget proposals have called for cuts to CDC funding, but Congress has intervened each time by passing spending bills with year-over-year increases for the CDC that Trump then signed into law."

R247, can you back up that claim? what cuts did he make? He wanted to cut the budget but congress did not allow it! Congress increased the budget year after year. He did get rid of that pandemic position though...

Here is the link I posted in the last thread...the CDC are useless cunts!!!

"In fact, all of Trump’s budget proposals have called for cuts to CDC funding, but Congress has intervened each time by passing spending bills with year-over-year increases for the CDC that Trump then signed into law."

Sorry, I meant to say the couple are health care workers in IRAN in R268.

CNN-California confirms 19th case of coronavirus

California has another confirmed case of novel coronavirus – a Placer County resident.

The patient is a health care worker who had close contact with a coronavirus patient in Solano County, according to a statement from Placer County Public Health.

The person is in isolation at home, but officials are not disclosing any information about them, citing patient privacy. People who were in contact with the patient are being quarantined and monitored.

CNN-Warner Bros. cancels New York premiere for "Superman: Red Son" over coronavirus concerns

A premiere for a new animated film has been canceled in an effort to minimize potential risk of exposure to coronavirus.

CNN-There are now 100 cases of coronavirus in the US

There are 100 cases of the novel coronavirus in the United States, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, as well as state and local governments.

Pence is about to give a briefing on the virus.

We knew that over an hour ago R276.

First case has been confirmed in NH, a woman who recently returned from Italy. She is employed at Darmouth Hitchcock Medical Center. I'm getting nervous.

Everyone in Asia is buying/wearing masks, it protects! not 100% but it works to a certain extent and here the "experts" don't want people to buy masks coz they don't have enough for medical staff...so they are on TV telling people NOT to buy masks, that it doesn't work. it's fucking BS.

If you are gonna be taking the subway, you should wear a mask. god forbid someone sneezes or coughs on you!

R269 - get a gun

CNN-Canada has at least 27 cases of novel coronavirus

[quote]The families of these manslaughter victims are going to sue the administration to kingdom come.

The Administration gutted the infectious disease section of the CDC. There are not enough tests to go around, which is perhaps a policy decision. No tests, no virus. So, is intentional negligence a crime? Is it a crime in today's environment?

CNN-What we know about the 6 people who died in Washington state from coronavirus

There have been six deaths from novel coronavirus in Washington state, according to local health officials. Five deaths have been reported in King County, one case was in Snohomish County.

Here's what we know about the six people who have died:

A man in his 70s, a resident of LifeCare, hospitalized at EvergreenHealth in Kirkland. The man had underlying health conditions, and died Sunday, according to King County Public Health.

A woman in her 70s, a resident of LifeCare, hospitalized at EvergreenHealth in Kirkland. The woman had underlying health conditions, and died Sunday, according to King County Public Health.

A woman in her 80s, who was already reported as in critical condition at EvergreenHealth, has died. She died on Sunday. This patient was linked to LifeCare, according to Katie Ross with King County Public Health.

A man in his 70s was hospitalized at EvergreenHealth. He had underlying health conditions and died on Feb. 29. This patient was linked to LifeCare, according to Katie Ross with King County Public Health.

A man in his 50s, who was hospitalized and died at EvergreenHealth, according to King County Public Health.

A man in his 40s hospitalized at EvergreenHealth in Kirkland has died. The patient was the Snohomish County resident, according to the Snohomish Health District.

All six deaths were at EvergreenHealth in Kirkland, according to the King and Snohomish health departments, and several of them stem from cases at the LifeCare long-term care facility.

no, the problem was the useless CDC couldn't make test kits that work!!! it doesn't matter if they made a 1000 or 10, they useless kits didn't work!!!!!

How can the so-called best health care system in the world cannot make a simple test kit? And we're supposed to trust to govt to run health care like Bernie wants?

"Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and a leading expert on coronavirus, says the disease is now at "outbreak," and even "likely pandemic proportions."

FUCK YOU CHINA!!!!

Why are these fools coming back from Iran and Italy at this time after the outbreaks there. They knew full well they would be infecting everyone on the journey back, didn't they? That's heck of a lot of people!

Supreme Court is about to hear arguments, and then rule on the future of Obamacare.

If they're smart, they'll table that decision for awhile.

I would imagine because if they get sick they want to be in their own country R288.

Why the fuck would anyone work in Iran?!

What's Pence gonna do? Ask us all to kneel down, and join him in prayer and Bible verses?

You can't solve a crisis unless you're first willing to admit that a crisis exists.

Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak made a bizarre coronavirus claim Monday afternoon on Twitter.

“Checking out Janet’s bad cough," Wozniak wrote in a check-in on Swarm that was cross-posted to Twitter.

“Started Jan. 4. We had just returned from China and may have both been patient zero in U.S.”

The message concluded with the information that Wozniak was with his wife Janet Hill at the West Coast Sports Institute in Santa Clara, Calif.

There are currently nine confirmed cases of coronavirus in Santa Clara. As of Monday afternoon, there have been six confirmed deaths from coronavirus in the U.S.

Pence is claiming we only have 43 cases.

There are ways the executive branch can hurt a federal agency even if Congress passes a good appropriation bill. Just look at what happened at the USDA with NIFA. I don’t know anything, but I am highly suspicious about possible meddling with CDC. That level of incompetence at what is usually a competent agency is a red flag.

Mt. Sinai Hospital is in Toronto. Mount Sinai Hospital is in Manhattan.

Pence said 43 cases identified here, 48 in people who flew back to the U.S. from elsewhere.

the test kit are all crap, you need to do a faringeal swab to patient but these don't give an immediate response since they require lab manipulation.

This is a documentary from Feb on how the Chinese handled the early outbreak. Literally taking people from their homes. Chinese are brutal.

I thought that Mikey Pence knew that lying was a sin.

All Trump admin hires must undergo a psych assessment to confirm they are capable of humiliating themselves sucking up to Trump. I sure wouldn't be able to do it -- for anyone.

Pence is a career politician...they have no problem saying whatever they need to, in order to get votes or do the job. It's their specialty.

Yes, but what about the doctor that was added to the team today ... she began by waxing rhapsodic about Trump's leadership.

[quote]Pence is a career politician

He is also an irrational, superstitious religionist who believes the voices in his head are of the creator of the universe.

The best we can hope for is that the virus wipes out the entire administration and they are all replaced with competent people.

In Houston, there is a suspected case at Rice University from someone who had returned from overseas. They're letting people work from home.

It's just across the road from the Texas Medical Center, the largest group of hospitals and medical institutions in the world.

Here's hoping he or she didn't come into work.

It took them forever before they could test their patients. Trumps ignorance.

R299 So brutal that they get medical care for up to 14 days with routine DNA tests and CT scans all for free to make sure they recover fully from the virus. Unthinkable for this country because it's so... brutal.

We made need to reopen the Datalounge Fallout Shelter.

The test kit problem is a tactic. Maybe the first kits that didn't work were real but not having them now is part of a plan.

R307 why drag people out of their houses when they were already in quarantine.

R303 A requirement of the job.

Does this mean I have to stop taking my Boniva?

Has VP Pence given up draining escort cock, for the time being?

We had at least six weeks of advance warning that this virus was coming, and the only thing our government has produced is blunders and misinformation. It's hard to believe this isn't somehow planned or, at least, there's a reason swifter and thorough action wasn't taken, especially here—the "greatest" country in the world.

R314. The reason is the executive branch is incompetent and for 3 years has dismantled federal expertise. The legislative branch is mired in binary politics and provided no check on the executive branch. It's not a big conspiracy. It's middling at best IQs and total absence of expertise.

It's moments like this when one needs the meritocracy.

I agree that this administration is inept but seriously where did the useless cunts from CDC get their medical degrees? They can't make test kits? this has to be investigated by congress. did anyone do background checks? did they get their medical degrees from online universities?

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I just logged into frysfood site and saw this at the top, "Due to high demand and to support all customers, we will be limiting the number of Sanitization, Cold and Flu related products to 5 each per order. Your order may be modified at time of pickup or delivery."

CNN-Life Care Center in Washington halts all visitations, closes to new admissions after several confirmed cases of coronavirus

Any resident displaying symptoms of an elevated temperature, cough or shortness of breath is placed in isolation, the statement read.

The facility has also placed a hold on new admissions, Basham said.

US Sen. Patty Murray: Test kits in Washington 'not nearly enough'

US Sen. Patty Murray of Washington, the ranking Democrat on the Senate health committee, said she is pushing to make sure the federal government reimburses state and local governments for costs incurred by testing people who may have the coronavirus.

They want such language to be included in the emergency spending bill.

“The biggest thing I hear at home now … is the lack of tests. … They are scrambling as fast as they can to urge the CDC to get more tests out. … They think they can do 100 a day right now – that’s not nearly enough," Murray said.

If there REALLY is a God, Trump will succumb to this Virus, just like all the poor residents of that Care home in Washington are.

If there REALLY is a God, Trump will succumb to this Virus, just like all the poor residents of that Care home in Washington are.

Are the American and European patients getting the anti-HIV protease inhibitors, as are the sick people in China? "Kaletra" fell out of use in rich countries. I doubt there is much stock of it anywhere in rich countries.

I was at ALDI last Friday but had to stop today for some milk/sour cream, WOW it was a shit show, packed to the gills and not just because it’s the beginning of the month. Canned goods are sparse, sanitizer etc gone. Fyi go get your corona virus stuff bought already! Acetaminophen and ibuprofen are only $1.95 there so grab some!

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We are starting to look like a third world country.

hehe *starting*...

[quote]We are starting to look like a third world country.

STARTING?

Earlier today someone here noticed the CDC's website is no longer showing the number of people that have been tested. It's because they don't want you to know; because they are now covering up their colossal ineptitude.

^ No doubt orders from Il Douchey. The only good thing about Coronavirus (which BTW now autopopuolates in my spelling thingamabob) is that the fat fucktard is going to fuck it up and pay the electoral price. I take nothing for granted but this disaster is just waiting to happen and he's going to handle it perfectly.

At my NJ ShopRite this morning, everything absolutely normal. Like any other day.

And breakfast at my local diner was packed.

Sam’s was out of some brands of toilet paper and had only small pallets of other paper and cleaning products. No alcohol or peroxide or hand sanitizer.

Peculiar and slightly disturbing.

Had to order hand sanitizer from my local Lowe's website.

Virus expert: As much as 70 percent of world's population could get coronavirus

[quote] A Harvard University epidemiologist says that as much as 70 percent of the world’s population could get the coronavirus.

[quote] Marc Lipsitch told CBS News in an interview airing Monday that "40 to 70 percent" of the global population could become infected with coronavirus, and it’s “almost inevitable” that the virus will impact the “entire globe.” He added that 1 percent of those who develop symptoms could die.

[quote] “That is a projection, so we will find out if it's accurate as things go on,” Lipsitch said. “It is the best estimate that I've been able to make based on a combination of the mathematical models that we use to track and predict epidemics.”

From TheHill 3/2/20 (couldn't post source link.)

I was going to go to the local Costco this morning for some chicken and a fruit tree or 2. I got there at 10am and the exit off the expressway was packed. I didn't even try for it. I'm going to try getting there at 8am tomorrow, before they open.

Bring back the civil service Elites and banish the anti-science know nothings with connections to the criminal Trump family who replaced them... like yesterday.

Has anyone read a description of the symptoms infected people who aren't critically ill feel? I keep reminding myself that not everyone who gets the virus becomes seriously ill or requires hospitalization.

The idea upthread re PSAs, ads and billboards is a good idea at this point. The general population NEEDS to be educated on how to stem the spread of this thing. The vast majority do NOT know how to do this: using proper hand washing practice, sneezing protocol, gloves, not touching the face or mouth, sanitizing the cell phone daily, using elbows or stylus to push door handles or elevator buttons, etc.

Most healthcare workers know most of these practices, but the rest out there don't.

Some emergency ad space on radio and tv would go a long way to soothing the public, while educating them on what to do to protect themselves. It would slow the spread of it enough to get us through the warm summer months, keep our healthcare system from getting overwhelmed, and hopefully buy time for a vaccine to be produced or preventive medication protocol put in place.

got my a zicam throat spray — twice a day and once before bed. Shit works.

Can you idiots who are panic-shopping at least tell us where you are (city/state) in your posts? TIA

If you can't find any medication at your grocery store, Target or Walmart or the chain pharmacy's check your mom and pop pharmacy. I was just at mine picking up medication for my dog and they had available OTC medication.

Guy "Cleared" of Quarantine Can't Stop Coughing & Sweating

About 3 weeks ago I was the 1st person to post that you should start stocking up on necessities.

I now want to tell you that IF you get the virus Do Not Panic. You aren't going to die. Rest, drink plenty of fluids, eat chicken soup. Stay home and try not to infect anyone. Think about the bragging rights you will have being able to tell people you had it and survived. And of course, come here for support if you are up to it. If you get it You Will Be Okay.

R345 that guys a real asshole. He's sick and sharing the water with his daughter. A good fit for Fox News I guess.

CNN:

Trump made coronavirus claim, but a scientist had to stop him

I put fresh batteries in my thermometer today. I don't know where that puts me on the CoronaVirus Freakout Scale.

Coronavirus, the youtuber Social Boom pretends to enter the red area of ​​Codogno, faces three months in prison

Google translated link.

As someone else asked above, please tell your area and what is happening there. I’m in DC and there’s no testing that I know of. There have been no cases.

R351 Maybe there's no testing in DC because Trump doesn't want to know how dangerous the area is.

China is lying. These guys were living in China, but got out a few weeks ago. Now they are using their Chinese sources to spread the truth.

ADVChina is their channel. I’ve been watching them for a year. 没办法

R348’s video is exactly what I and many others have been worried about since Trump was elected. He demonstrates incoherence, incompetence, and an inability to even understand the issue. His delusion that he does not make even the tiniest of mistakes, his chronic lying, and lack of empathy make him untrustworthy. His authoritarian directives make the credibility of the Executive branch agencies’ questionable. All of this leads to poor decision-making and puts us all at increased risk..

R351, Central Ohio boondocks, nothing going on here at all. Most people don't seem to even be aware of it. I think speculators cleaned out the bleach aisle at walmart though.

Out past Portland in Oregon now, about 3 hours east:

R353, please summarize for us!

Re. Trump, good. The more he fucks up, the worse for him in November.

I was watching a Tarot reader on YouTube the other day (I know, I know, but it's a guilty pleasure), and she predicted that Trump will get sick with the virus, but it won't kill him.

r359, I hope so. Let's see if he can bounce back as fast as Hillary did.

Trump thinks he makes no mistakes. It was kind of strange when he said he had never done anything to ask God to forgive. He is so blind, so stupid and such a narcissist. He is destroying our country everyday.

Trump thinks he makes no mistakes. It was kind of strange when he said he had never done anything to ask God to forgive. He is so blind, so stupid and such a narcissist. He is destroying our country everyday.

People need to stop blaming the CDC and blame REPUBLICANS for cutting funding to extremely important government programs! Americans want the government to work miracles in their time of need. But Republicans do nothing but cut funding and make sure wealthy people don't pay taxes! Taxes that could be used for shit like this.

Half of me wants Donald get re-elected, so he's well and truly screwed. If someone else gets elected, we're going to hear nothing but grief, no matter how hard they try, just like Obama.

I live on an island north of Seattle in Puget Sound. The local grocery store has been out of hand sanitizer and disinfectant wipes since the news broke about community transmission of the virus on the mainland. I went today for a few final items for my stash and other things are running low now too (certain cleaning products, OTC medications, bottled water). It was busier than it usually would be on a weekday afternoon, and there was a palpable sense of urgency in the air, though not panic.

I blame the Repugs and Trump and the whole White House.

I blame the Repugs and Trump and the whole White House.

They need to close the schools right a way in Washington and maybe far food restaurants. Something is not right...

They need to close the schools right a way in Washington and maybe far food restaurants. Something is not right...

Well then. Does anyone kinda hope they get this thing so they can call out of work for weeks? You gotta look at the silver lining.

If I test positive I will request FMLA the same fucking day and those bitches at the job can kiss my ass until I run out of paid sick leave. bye gurl!

This was the scene at a Costco on Saturday here in the DFW suburbs. The parking lot was packed with cars circling like vultures waiting for a space to open up. I couldn't tell if it was panic induced or if people were just doing their ordinary shopping. This may be typical for a Saturday at Costco for all I know. I try to avoid the big box stores on the weekends because I hate crowds.

Most of the visible carts are nearly empty. That doesn't look like panic buying.

I went to a few stores, they are out of rubbing alcohol in every store and my local grocery store too. Some CVS had no more cold and flu meds and of course they were out of sanitizer and well.

Is Lysol effective? How is it different from bleach?

R326,

Yeah, I think I really don't need to get this . . .

Marc Lipsitch from Harvard University, who cautions that 40-70% of the world's population will become infected — and from that number, 1% of people who get symptoms from COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, could die.

Video at link.

If that is the Costco off of I-75 in Dallas, it is always a shit show.

One of the six who died was a man only in his 40s only, they didn't mention any pre existing medical conditions

[quote] R241: Why did the “president” need to appoint some one else anyway? What’s keeping him so busy?

Maybe he has to watch TV to check his ratings.

It was the Costco in Lewisville at I-35E and TX121. It may well always be a shit show as well. It's not the Costco I normally go to and like I said, I avoid going on the weekends specifically to avoid the crowds.

I'm an Angeleno who takes earthquake-preparedness very seriously -- or, at least more seriously than most. (been waiting for the Big One my whole life). I'm not one of those Armageddon-level preppers, but I have 2-3 weeks-worth of canned/shelf-stable food and bottled water stored at my house (for my dogs, too). I also have a box of N95 masks & nitrile gloves (100ct) in the house....and a pair of goggles (for wildfires) . I keep a 24-pack of toilet paper stored on the top shelf of my linen closet which I never touch. Or rather, that I won't open it until I've bought a new one to rotate out. It is there for the earthquake (or whatever). A couple years ago, I scooped up a bunch of antibacterial wipes from Dollar Tree & 99 cent hand-sanitizers from Trader Joe's

My point being....because I am so prepared for an earthquake, I don't feel the need to run out and buy anything. Except maybe Zinc lozenges.

Hes going to watch his Presidency unravel, and he’s going to have a breakdown. There’s a rumor he’s had one before. It's like a morality play made for TV. I just want to live long enough to see the movie! Or at least see his breakdown! Then what happens? Will they continue to cover for him? Or will they finally Amendment 25 him?

His ego will not tolerate the rejection of a nation. I can't wait, it's like waiting for Madonna to realize she's old.

2 cases in Fulton County Georgia (Atlanta). They'd traveled from Milan. I'm sure the airport workers have some cases too, but nothing official.

Costco where I am (Santa Clara County) was insane Saturday, according to a friend. Guy got there when it opened and left without buying because the line to the registers went all the way back to the meat department at the back of the store. Lots of toilet-paper buying in bulk.

But we have nine cases in the county now.

Also crazy was the scene at Ranch 99 (Asian supermarket chain)--someone on NextDoor said people were going off with 100-lb bags of rice and the store was completely emptied of hot sauce. The local Chinese community was antsy early on--I'm sure it's because they were communicating with family in China and knew what was going down there.

It's bizarre really when you think about it -- people are buying up all the hand sanitizer but you can still find plenty of hand soap, which, according to the experts, is the much more effective defense in the fight against coronavirus.

Also, interestingly enough, though hand sanitizer is nowhere to be found in all the city, I was in a CVS in Hell's Kitchen here in Manhattan this evening and they had plenty of boxes of Clorox wipes, all sitting in a box in the pharmacy.

R385, Lysol wipes were all sold out in home depot in mid town. there is no rubbing alcohol anywhere either. I still see hydrogen peroxide on the shelves.

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CNN-India now has six confirmed cases of the novel coronavirus

CNN-Australia confirms four new cases of novel coronavirus, bringing total to 35

CNN-UK confirms 5 news cases of novel coronavirus, bringing total to 40 “As of 9am on 2 March, a total of 13,525 people have been tested in the UK, of which 13,485 were confirmed negative and 40 positive,” the statement from the health department read.

My husband works at a nutrition company (selling stuff you have definitely heard of) and he said today was insane. Retailers are trying to get their hands on all the product they can.

CNN-Authorities unable to find source of coronavirus case in Florida

There is still no clue as to how an individual in Manatee County, Florida, acquired the novel coronavirus that has now infected more than 90,000 people globally.

According to a source with knowledge of the situation, contact tracing for the infected person has failed to reveal any potential source of infection.

They have had no travel to any affected regions, nor have they had any contact with an individual who tested positive. Although the individual lives in Manatee County, the source says they are believed to have gone to an ER at a hospital in nearby Sarasota County, Florida earlier in the week.

But the individual was only tested for the virus on Saturday, after Florida expanded its testing criteria on Friday evening.

That means any healthcare worker who had been treating the patient, without the proper protection, was at danger of being exposed to the virus.

R389 stuff like what? Protein shakes? Health bars?

For retailers it's better than Xmas. Online, schmonline!

R371 haha. That is typical Costco.

found the video on twitter.

Costco could become the center of an outbreak precisely because of the hoarder crowd.

[quote]Costco could become the center of an outbreak precisely because of the hoarder crowd.

You couldn't pay me to enter a Costco anytime soon.

Pedialyte, Glucerna, Ensure, r391.

Read up, bitches. Reduce your ignorance.

[quote]Children could 'fuel the spread of coronavirus because they don't show signs of the killer infection but pass it along to adults'

I see.

If only there were a way to remedy this situation. Hmm...

Seoul mayor sues South Korea religious group for ‘murder’ and ‘injury’ over spike in coronavirus cases PUBLISHED SUN, MAR 1 202011:35 PM EST UPDATED MON, MAR 2 20202:57 AM EST

Seoul City Mayor Park Won-soon has sued key leaders of a church at the center of South Korea’s sudden surge in the number of confirmed cases for the new coronavirus that has infected over 87,000 globally.

Park said on Facebook that he was suing the Shincheonji leaders “for murder, injury and violation of prevention and management of infectious diseases.”

more at link

Do we really have a plausible explanation as to how this virus originated in China, why so many deaths, why so many still dying every single day? Why is this area the hotspot? You'll never convince me that this was a "natural" disaster. There's far more to this story, and it started somewhere in a lab.

R325 enough with "the first of the month" slams.

I work for the DPW in my state, and recipients are not all paid on the first of the month. Their benefits are staggered throughout the month.

The store was slammed because everyone, rich or poor, is in a state of semi-panic, and Adli is always a busy place.

UPDATE : 6:00am EST

CASES : 92,182

DEATHS : 3,131

Deplorables can’t be seen buying supplies last they be accused of giving into the “left-wing” panic. But you better believe at least some of them are sneaking supplies or letting it rip on Amazon.

Brown University teacher denied to be tested.

For R401

R402 no slam intended Why are you being touchy about it? In my state CT SNAP payments hit the first three days of the month and as a result all ALDIs in my area get busier. However, as I said it was far more busy than the usual amount of shoppers. Unsure why you took it negatively, how do you know that I’m not a SNAP user too?

Lol china has triple the population ameruca has, have millions of chinese been infected? No? Okay. Simmer down nelly.

Doesn't Brown have self-quarantine safe rooms covered with cruelty-free soy-based synthetic non-specific species fun fur and gender-fluid play entities made in Fair Trade workshops for Bolivian transfolk artisans?

I'm sure that was fun to write, but no.

THere has to be way more people infected or carrying this..if it is so contagious it defies logic there wouldn’t be

Can someone give me a convincing argument on why I might need to stock up on water? Even if the water system is compromised, cant I just boil some? Not trolling, just preparing for my BJs trip for later today. Thanks

Which bathhouse are you going to?

[quote] (been waiting for the Big One my whole life).

Aren't we all, R380? Aren't we all!

[quote]THere has to be way more people infected or carrying this..if it is so contagious it defies logic there wouldn’t be

Well, since the US has absolutely no way to accurately test the vast majority of its OWN POPULATION, I think that is a safe bet.

Are smokers more, or less, susceptible to covid-19?

I could accept that their generally poor health would put them at the head of the line for elimination.

But, alternatively, I could accept that the tar and nicotine coating their lung tissue would kill any virus that dared enter there.

Are we going to soon be rid of them? Or, are they here to stay?

R416 One would assume so but there was a study done in China on 160 cases (there is a link to it in an earlier Coronavirus Freakout thread that concluded that smokers, as well as people with COPD & asthma were not effected by the virus.

The study was peer reviewed and claimed to have no conflict of interest (they all say that but its bullshit).

The study also said something like only 2 or 3 of the 160 were smokers and 6 or 7 were former smokers.

My opinion on the study: Its bullshit, the sample is way to small and another much bigger study of the first 40,000 or so cases in China did find that people with asthma & COPD were vulnerable to the disease. That particular study didn't mention smokers but given half the male population smoke you can guarantee that of the males of the 40,000 cases are smokers. That is a much broader cross section than the study of 161 people.

Japan’s Olympic minister says the country’s contract to hold the Tokyo Games only specifies the event has to be held during 2020. Seiko Hashimoto’s response to a question in the upper house of parliament implies the Olympics could be held later in the year and would not have to start on July 24 as planned.

CNN-8% of Iran's parliament has tested positive for coronavirus, official says

Twenty-three members of Iran’s 290-member “Majlis” or parliament have tested positive for the novel coronavirus, according to Iran’s Deputy Parliament Speaker Abdul Reza Misri.

Misri made the announcement while speaking to reporters in Tehran today, citing an open letter to Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei from Iran’s Parliament Speaker Ali Larijani.

In the letter, MPs were also called on to halt contact with the public to avoid further spread of the disease.

Larijani also advocated for a continuance of the suspension of open sessions in parliament in his open letter to Khamenei, which was enacted last week amid Iran’s growing outbreak.

CNN-Rise in cases and deaths in Iran: 2,336 confirmed cases and 77 deaths

CNN-Gibraltar confirms first case of coronavirus

CNN-Ukraine just reported its first coronavirus case

CNN-South Korea coronavirus cases surge past 5,000

CNN-Colleague of whistleblower doctor Li Wenliang dies of coronavirus

A Wuhan doctor, from the same department as whistleblower doctor Li Wenliang, died from coronavirus on Tuesday, according to Wuhan Central Hospital.

Mei Zhongming was the 57-year-old chief doctor and deputy director of the ophthalmology department at Wuhan Central Hospital, and was Dr. Li’s superior.

The hospital expressed “deep condolence” at the news of Dr. Mei’s death.

Li Wenliang was regarded as a hero in China for trying to raise awareness of the coronavirus outbreak before it was publicly acknowledged by the government.

***CHINA*** CORONA COUNT 9:30am EST

CASES: 80,152

DEATHS: 2,945

SERIOUS/CRITICAL CONDITION: 6,806

China, ONE solitary country, has the bulk of victims and fatalities.

2nd case of coronavirus in WESTCHESTER COUNTY in NY! A man with underlying respiratory issue, he is ill.

Lives in Westchester, works in manhattan. They closed a school in westchester (his kid's school). He has no travel history to any of the countries but did go to miami.

via Gov cuomo press conference in Albany.

^ source for R423?

CNN-There are now 106 cases of coronavirus in the US

According to the CDC there are 48 cases from repatriated citizens. According to CNN Health’s tally of US cases that are detected and tested in the United States through US public health systems, there are 58 cases in 12 states. Bringing the total of coronavirus cases to 106.

Good move by Andrew Cuomo in NY:

In a move that other states might want to emulate, New York State Governor Andrew M. Cuomo said that the state’s Department of Financial Services is requiring health insurers in the state to waive cost sharing associated with testing for the new coronavirus, COVID-19. The initiative paves the way for low-cost emergency room, urgent care, and hospital visits for patients worried that they may have contracted the virus.

The Governor also said that New Yorkers receiving Medicaid coverage will not be expected to pay a co-pay for any testing related to the novel coronavirus, COVID-19. The steps are designed to ensure that residents of the state won’t have to worry about cost as an obstacle for getting tested. Any tests that are being conducted at the State’s Wadsworth Lab are fully covered.

Reuters: Pope Francis, who canceled a Lent retreat for the first time in his papacy because he is suffering from a cold, has tested negative for coronavirus, the Italian newspaper Il Messaggero reported on Tuesday.

R423: Worldometer app, Google PlayStore

Updated worldwide counts, and individual counts for all countries.

The coronavirus dashboard maintained by John Hopkins is good too:

The 2nd coronavirus case in NY is a man who is 50, an attorney, from new rochelle. He is now in a hospital in manhattan. He went to miami but that was a while ago, not when he was infected. They did not say whether he took public transport to work in Manhattan. He has underlying respiratory illness.

Did the Pope test positive for bronchitis or pneumonia?

cnn-2 more cases confirmed in Singapore as officials widen travel restrictions

""We will not allow new visitors with recent travel history from Iran, northern Italy and Korea," Wong wrote. "

Singapore will also ban their transit through the country if they have traveled to these countries within the last 14 days, the nation's Ministry of Health announced.

[quote]Did the Pope test positive for bronchitis or pneumonia?

Reuters: Vatican spokesman Matteo Bruni said he had no immediate comment on the report. The 83-year-old Roman Catholic leader, who had part of one lung removed because of an illness decades ago, also canceled most audiences last week.

How man of the homeless, with compromised immune systems from drug and alcohol abuse, are infected and wandering freely?

I'm sure these poor souls are not included in the count.

Daily Mail: Twitter is "strongly encouraging" all 5,000 of its global employees to work from home. Working from home is mandatory in South Korea, Hong Kong and Japan.

can you imagine if they guy took the train into manhattan and the incubation period is 2 weeks? He's been passing the bug to others on the train for 2 weeks before getting sick. There are gonna be thousands...

CNN-France is taking control of the nation's supply of protective masks

France has recorded 13 new cases of coronavirus, taking the number of cases to 207 with three deaths, according to the Ministry of Health and Social affairs.

French President Emmanuel Macron has tweeted that the government plans to take control of the supply of protective masks in the country for those possibly affected by the virus.

"“We will requisition all the stock and the production of protective masks. We will distribute them to health professionals and the French people affected by the coronavirus”."

[QUOTE] Like the moron who thinks he won't have it because his immune system is strong : by definition you can't be immune to viruses your system has never encountered.

You can be resistant to it though, you tragic, melodramatic snowflake. Hilarious to see you so stupidly triggered by a virus that has killed one person in your country. Claiming that it's so much worse than swine flu, you fucking dumbass.

Once this virus is in the community, the quarantines and closures will cease. No country is going to bring its economy to a grinding halt over a disease that kills 1%.

If you can take a step back and look at this, it is kind of amazing. The entire world going thru the same thing and with all the same fears and panic. We have become one very small planet.

The coronavirus isn't very powerful. Thousands are being exposed to it and not being infected. Those with damaged immune systems should be wary, though.

The angry prepper queena panicking on here are hilarious. These threads are comedy gold.

I still don't know where I am supposed to put all those wagons I'm gonna need to carry the cash to buy a fucking loaf of bread.

R441 You must be very young and/or very immature, and not too bright.

Trump asked the experts if the flu vaccine can be used against coronavirus. He's beyond being a moron.

I think the idea is that you buy the essentials you need now while everyone is mostly disease free...a few weeks from now, who knows how many infected there will be and walking around maybe passing it to you...

[quote] If you can take a step back and look at this, it is kind of amazing. The entire world going thru the same thing and with all the same fears and panic. We have become one very small planet.

Thank you, Captain Kirk

Poor little spazzy snowflake at R445! Terrified of a disease that barely kills anybody. Your chances of being hit by a car while you cross the road to buy yet more tins of beans are far, far greater.

We don't really know that yet, R447. This is new.

In any event, if you're the one in a million who dies from this virus, you might have been happy to trade that chance for a tin of beans.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that swine flu infected nearly 61 million people in the United States and caused 12,469 deaths. Worldwide, up to 575,400 people died from.

How did you cowardly fuckers cope when this was going on? And yes, people were carriers without exhibiting any symptoms.

Not really R447, the CDC says you have a 1 in 4292, whereas you have 1 to 2 in a 100 chance of dying from this.

So Mount Everest will be canceled this year, non?

Sorry that's a 1 in 4292 chance of being hit by a car (and a 1 in 47273 chance of dying from being hit by a car while a pedestrian).

Nope, the extreme cold and the altitude kills the virus.

But the traveling to and from Everest? Unless they are already there acclimating. The dry air up there would be ideal for the virus and base camp isn't that cold.

The death rate is only 1% if you're over 50. 0.4% for people in their 40s. 0.2% for those in their 30s.

From the UK Telegraph:

The death toll skews old even more strongly. Overall, China CDC found, 2.3% of confirmed cases died. But the fatality rate was 14.8% in people 80 or older, likely reflecting the presence of other diseases, a weaker immune system, or simply worse overall health. By contrast, the fatality rate was 1.3% in 50-somethings, 0.4% in 40-somethings, and 0.2% in people 10 to 39.

[quote]Lol china has triple the population ameruca has, have millions of chinese been infected? No? Okay. Simmer down Nelly.

The only reason China was able to prevent millions of infections (and there may well be; not all infections are symptomatic) is by mass quarantine, lock-down, and isolation measures for hundreds of millions of people.

I didn't mind stocking up on sundry items that I would use or eat or drink anyway. Well, maybe a few, haha, more cans of tuna fish than normal, and I don't ever buy bottled water as a rule, plus I hope never to need all the meds I now own, but hey: I've got toilet paper to last until after the election!

Jealous, beeyotches? 😁

When was the swine fu epidemic? Was it in the 80’s?

Swine flu was fairly recent ...2009 I barely remember it

Good info from a competent government official: The Health Minister of Singapore.

I just said the same thing R459... no memory of panic and unease in 2009 comparable to today.

What is the harm in stocking up on stuff we use anyway and washing our hands and wiping things down more than normal? I don't see it as being chicken little, it's just using caution to avoid and prepare for getting sick.

The older you are, the greater the chance that your dance with covid-19 will be final.

This virus is an obvious existential threat to Data Lounge. The losses could be heavy.

R406, the NY Post is a Murdoch paper. I wouldn't trust anything they print.

"I live in Seattle, I have all symptoms of COVID-19 and have a history of chronic bronchitis.

Since I work in a physical therapy clinic with many 65+ patients and those with chronic illnesses, I decided to be responsible and go to get tested. This is how that went."

Bloomberg:

Pence Visited School Where Student Is in Coronavirus Quarantine

ABC News' Trish Turner:

Well, that was awkward. Tim Kaine asked Dr. Fauci if he was indeed disinvited from today's Senate Dem lunch. Vice President Pence is attending to talk Covid19. Fauci said he was planning to go. He turned to his staff who appeared to say NO - he wouldnt go after all.

Tim Kaine complained - then.. Fauci interrupted to say - he WOULD be going. Tim Kaine tried to ask what changed - "Was I that persuasive?" No reason for the apparent change. "This doesn't instill confidence," Kaine said.

Fauci is a WORM.

Why do you say that?

I was at my local grocery store. They have a lot of the Isopropyl Alcohol, but you could tell people were buying it. It is not something I check so tomorrow I'm going back for groceries and I will see if there is panic buying. Target was relatively quiet and the one I went to didn't have the alcohol. Strangely I went down the aisle they had the hand sanitizer I bought the other day and there was not one left.

Going out today, upon request from "Saturday Night Fever" reposting my Coronavirus Freakout topic title suggestion "The Lung and the Breathless" as this thread'll probably top out at 23h00 UTC.

Hand sanitizer is for bacteria, not for viruses. Everyone knows that, right?

The experts are saying to wash your hands and use hand sanitizer R472.

The CDC said the number of cases in the U.S. rose to at least 108 and that the agency would be scaling back its case counts to just twice a week, on Mondays and Fridays. The CDC also said it’s stopped reporting “persons under investigation” or PUIs. “Now that states are testing and reporting their own results, CDC’s numbers are not representative of all testing being done nationwide,” the CDC said.

OMG, what a fucking banana republic! Don't the states report their numbers to the CDC? Can't they add?

What testing done "nationwide?"

We're living in Chernobyl without the Cyrillic.

R472, apparently hand sanitizer is effective against the virus if it's 60% alcohol.

I've had very sore muscles and a tight chest for 4 days. No fever. I'm a college prof and there are 5 cases as of today in Geneva. I know some of the students were in Venice for Carnival, not to mention carnival in Swiss cities - mob scenes. School direction sent lame email about washing hands and "don't invite people who have been to infection zones to study with you." ???!!! Very bizarre. 9 cases in Zurich. I'm guess this will rip through universities but not that many of those strong youths will be very sick at all. I bet few will even be tested.

I just got back from the Costco in Sunnyvale, California. I drove up at 8am for the 9am opening, got gas and hung out. By 9am there were at least 200 shoppers waiting at the entrance. I don't know how many people wait in the morning, usually. Everyone raced to the back where the cleaners and paper products were located. I grabbed a couple of packs of frozen chicken and a box of nutritional shakes for my 90+ father. Then I looked at the trees, found a peach and an orange and a great deal on planting mix. As I was leaving a woman with 5-count them-5- bales of toilet paper noted my lack of the same. I was in and out in 30 minutes and a kid from the store helped me get the trees in my Prius!

I'm going back tomorrow for another tree, then staying home until I have to take someone to the airport.

Yes. my life is that exciting!

[quote]OMG, what a fucking banana republic! Don't the states report their numbers to the CDC? Can't they add?

They just don't want daily headlines on the # of people afflicted nationwide and the # of people being tested (which is not nearly enough). Hopefully, the media will pick up the slack.

Apparently true. Also, Purell contains 70% alcohol.

Main focus for preventing coronavirus spread should be hand hygiene, not face masks

"A vast volume of research has shown time and again that frequent hand-washing has the greatest effect on preventing the transmission of respiratory illnesses, more so than disinfecting surfaces or using protective equipment such as surgical masks, N-95 respirators, gowns or gloves. Keeping hands clean is the No. 1 thing the public can do."

Eeeeeeek. This is what happens when you don't believe in science.

why are people buying Isopropyl Alcohol? They are all gone at many stores I went to yesterday.

CNN-Coronavirus death toll climbs to 79 in Italy

According to the statement, the number of total cases has also risen to 2,502.

CNN-Sporting events in Spain will be played without audiences because of coronavirus

The move will affect the March 10 Champions League match between Valencia and Atalanta, as well as a March 19 match featuring Getafe and Inter Milan.

Did you check your local grocery stores R484.

[quote]why are people buying Isopropyl Alcohol?

You can make your own hand sanitizer with it -- but "experts" are now advising against it:

If made correctly, DIY solution could be helpful and even effective. But if made incorrectly, it can be downright harmful.

"I worry about people making their own sanitizer as it will be difficult to make sure that the concentrations are correct," Daniel Parker, assistant professor of public health at the University of California, Irvine, told CNN of the trend.

For hand sanitizer to be effective, it must have at least 60% alcohol content, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Store-bought hand sanitizers will also often have emollients to counter the harshness of the alcohol on the skin. If you don't have that in your homemade recipe, you could risk hurting your hands, Sally Bloomfield, a professor at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine told the Guardian.

I going the hydrogen peroxide route myself. Buying up a lot of it (the regular stuff you get at the drug store), and mixing it 50/50 with distilled water to put in multiple spray bottles to wipe down my home surfaces, work cube and environment, etc.

Am trying to find some clean 'handiwipes' to purchase - just dry untreated wipes, with nothing on them - so I can soak them in this HP mixture to create my own sanitizing wipes to carry in a ziploc with me when I'm out doing things. Will use them to wipe down the inside of my car, tables at the cafe where I sit, etc...anyone know where I can find these?

R447 is a collaboration between The Donal Trumps, Sr. & Jr.

r487, yes, I checked, they are sold out there as well.

R489, just use tissue paper or cut up old tshirts. I am not an expert but why dilute it with water? Why don't you use bleach?

can someone educate me on how to use lysol? yes, I am stupid. you just spray it on a surface? do you have to wipe it afterwards? I grew up with housekeepers and never did any cleaning...

What is the hydrogen peroxide supposed to do R489?

I just got back from Tops market. I bought cat litter, cat food, a quart of milk and a 4-pack of freshly baked cinnamon buns.

Let's Roll, Bitches !

exactly how much toilet paper do fat American pigs need per week? It seems to be such a priority purchase in these panics.

R492: HP is a disinfectant much like bleach or Lysol. Its effective against viruses, bacteria, yeasts, and bacterial spores, esp on surfaces. It also doesn't stain or discolor things as quickly or harshly as bleach does, and has no odor.

r491: bleach discolors/stains, also gives off bad fumes unless heavily diluted.

My grandmother used hydrogen peroxide mixed with vinegar and baking soda for years, to clean her bathrooms. Very effective mixture.

⏰ CORONA TIME 2:00 PM EST

CASES : 92,823

DEATHS : 3,164

SERIOUS/CRITICAL : 7,161

I mopped my city apartment today. Then bleach rinsed it. I carefully measured 10%, bleach solution. Do I get a gold star?

How come the rest of the world isn't talking about the protease inhibitors China is using. The "Kaletra". The two personal accounts I read by Chinese young men about having covid-19 said they got HIV drugs as did their families and everyone improved rapidly. When the western world talks about coronavirus they always say "there is not treatment."

I think it's because no rich Western countries have much Kaletra anymore.

re 497's update: in all of the updates for the past couple of weeks, the death rate has stayed fairly consistent: at around 3%.

That of course isn't a formal calculation, since the overall case rate probably isn't accurate and is likely missing many of the 'true sick', hence the true mortality rate is likely much lower. But the consistency is what's striking to me here.

Even skinny little American piglets need their toilet paper.

It may be r499 because Kaletra and other protease inhibitors can inhibit replication of the virus and hence lessen symptoms. These may be helping those with COVID-19. They aren't a cure by any means, but probably help recovery and to keep viral levels down in the infected so as to lessen transmission (much like current HIV drugs) . I hope there is research being done on these.

From the Guardian. 7 dead now in US

17m ago 19:04

A seventh person with coronavirus has died in the Seattle area of the US, but the infection wasn’t identified until after their death.

The New York Times has reported that the individual was brought to Seattle’s Harborview Medical Center on 24 February and died two days later, before a crisis in the state began unfolding over the weekend.

Ugh I can barely even think about all the dry cracked hands come spring!

Yes, the Kaletra (2 protease inhibitors - approved for medical use) limit the viral load. Sounds like a win to me for infected people who are quite sick. I'm sure China and Korea are studying this.

From today's The Guardian:

"The virus has killed 79 people in Italy, all aged between 63 and 95 with underlying serious illnesses."

ALL aged between 63 and 95. ALL with underlying serious illnesses.

Take precautions, yes, but there's a lot of hysteria on this thread.

R500 If you go to Worldometer.com, you will have all of those statistics broken down, including stats for individual countries. The stats are updated in real time, 24/7.

Basic hand and body moisturizer will also be a must with all the alcohol and disinfectant being rubbed on the skin.

I checked the Indian pharmacy site that sells generics and Kaletra is out of stock. I'm going to bet VIPs have stock piled any supply available at this time. It's an old HIV treatment and AbbVie lobbed off production onto 2nd world companies.

George Conway (Husband of Kelly Ann) :

[italic] "It's too bad we don't have a vaccine for abject stupidity"

Don't forget to wash your clothes, towels and bed sheets. virus can stay on clothes as well.

[quote] In total, fewer than 500 people have been tested across the country (although the CDC has stopped reporting that number in its summary of the outbreak). As a result, the current “official” case count inside the United States stood at 43 as of Tuesday morning (excluding cruise ship cases). This number is wrong, yet it’s still constantly printed and quoted. In other contexts, we’d call this what it is: a subtle form of misinformation.

The stockpiling of toilet paper reveals the abysmal dietary habits of the average American. A person whose diet is high in fiber likely needs very little toilet paper. Temporarily having limited or no access to fresh green vegetables shouldn't be a reason since they could stock up on other high-fiber foods or supplements.

The Official Mike Pence Survival Kit includes Holy Water, Communion Wafers, Sacramental Wine, Prayer Beads, Fels Naptha Bar Soap, and Medicinal Alcohol.

R506 So, it's a thin-the-herd virus but still no one wants to be the one sacrificed. Also a lot of people getting sick at the same time can disrupt the medical system and social order. Then come people's fear and panic that are harder to deal with than the virus. So there are risks in letting the virus spread unimpeded other than its mortality rate.

R506. Do you have parents or grandparents in the danger zone? How about aunts or uncles? What about your partner or your friends or neighbors or co-workers? Sure you may be fine but this is not about YOU, is it? Not sure if you bothered to check, but there are a LOT of people in this great world who fall into the danger zone. If you or your young associates get sick, you could pass it on to them which may possibly kill them. There is a reason for our histeria.

[quote]The New York Times has reported that the individual was brought to Seattle’s Harborview Medical Center on 24 February and died two days later, before a crisis in the state began unfolding over the weekend.

Good grief. The patient was admitted on 24 Feb and died two days later, and officials have only now discovered the cause of death. I wonder how many people THIS undiagnosed person came into contact with in the city of Seattle and at the major hospital where they died. The people minimizing and ignoring the facts must be mentally challenged or never progressed past elementary math classes.

The toilet paper hoarding is a weird 'prepping' thing that I can only hope happens only in the USA. It seems to be a sort of hobby for some people, except for devout Mormons who have to do it. I met my first preppers in the late 1970's. They were sure societal collapse was happening any day. One of them told me not to get extensive dental work because dentists wouldn't be around to maintain anything in my mouth.

Now I am in California and I do keep some earthquake supplies, but really, some people go way over the top.

The 2nd case in NYC, his son is showing symptoms! He goes to a university in the area!!!

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Current U.S. Statistics @ 3:00 pm EST

Cases: 108

New Cases: 8

Deaths: 9

NewDeaths: 3

Active Cases: 90

Recoveries: 9

Critical/Serious: 7

Fab. She's wearing a mask that will not help her while holding onto that stainless steel pole which is grasped by thousands of people each day. She's not clear how all this works.

What do you use r513; a whisk broom?

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Those of you youngsters who consider yourself young and healthy, how many healthy young people suddenly drop dead from underlying conditions that were never detected because the victim presented no symptoms?

I think the point is going to the store now to buy when most people are virus free....rather than waiting and going to the store when many people are infected and risk getting sick etc....

No, R526. The point is to go get staples now while they are still available and for sale. The supply chain in China has been disrupted significantly. When current stockpiles of basic items in the US are gone, there may be great delays in getting them refilled.

In short, get it now or maybe don't get it for a long, long time.

someone posted a study they did on the diamond princess cruise ship...most of the young people who were infected did not show any symptoms at all.

I remember reading weeks ago that Yale was self-isolating hundreds of students who came back from China etc...I'm thinking maybe some passed it to others on campus and spreading it...who knows? Cornell was also telling students to self-quarantine

R527, yes but toilet paper is made in the USA, no need to worry about supply. What I would buy now is Ibuprofen and acetaminophen. that's mostly made in China.

R527 i think you misunderstood the comments from R526. Read it again

[quote] curse Him if you live in Cali.

Cali is a city in Colombia. It is not now, nor has it ever been an abbreviation or nickname for California. It is acceptable to abbreviate it Calif., maybe Cal., or the postal abbreviation CA, but never, ever Cali. Never, ever.

Notice that SubwayChic is also sporting long, artificial nails that are a breeding ground for germs, mold, and bacteria.

The mask could be effective if it prevents people putting their fingers to their lips and mouth.

Spain confirms first death The first coronavirus death in Spain has been confirmed, the Reuters news agency reports, citing a Valencian health official.

CNN-There are now 118 cases of coronavirus in the US

There are now 118 cases of the novel coronavirus, including nine deaths, in the United States, according to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, as well as state and local governments.

[quote] NHS England has declared coronavirus a level four incident - the highest level of emergency preparedness planning.

Speaking of Cruise Ships, WHET the Caribbean Princess that recently docked over the weekend in Everglades, Florida. Don't recall hearing another word since they came to Florida with a boatload full of very sick passengers.

The Diamond Princess and the Caribbean Princess are both owned by Princess Cruises.

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R527 I would argue that both are wise: buy things before widespread shortages occur AND to avoid having to intermingle with potential disease carriers once the virus is actively circulating.

A young man who attends a university in New York City has been isolated in his family’s suburban home with symptoms of coronavirus after his father tested positive for the deadly disease, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Tuesday.

The man’s wife and another child, who attends a private Jewish school in Riverdale, are also isolated in the house in New Rochelle but haven’t shown any symptoms, de Blasio said.

“Obviously, this is a crisis that will be with us, I think it’s fair to say, not for weeks but for months,” de Blasio said during a City Hall news conference.

The student lived on campus at his unidentified school, Westchester County Executive George Latimer said earlier in the day.

The lawyer and his wife have two other children who live in Israel, Latimer said.

The university student is suspected of getting the illness from his dad, who on Tuesday became the state’s second confirmed case of coronavirus but the first believed to have been infected through “community contact.”

The father, a 50-year-old lawyer at a small firm in Manhattan, is in serious condition at NewYork-Presbyterian/Columbia University Medical Center, officials said.

He was transferred there on Monday from Lawrence Hospital in Bronxville, where he was admitted on Friday after falling ill on Feb. 22, said Dr. Demetre Daskalakis, the city’s deputy health commissioner for disease control.

De Blasio said that the father, who traveled to Miami last month, has had “respiratory issues” for the past month and that “this appears to be an example of community spread.”

Asked if he would declare a public-health emergency, de Blasio said, “I don’t think at this hour of this day were anywhere near an emergency declaration, but obviously things could change.”

why didn't they ID the university? The students have a right to know! Shouldn't the school issue a statement of some kind?

CNN

At least nine people have died from coronavirus in Washington state.

Eight people have died in King County, Department of Health officials said. There's a total of 21 cases in the county.

Earlier, one person in Snohomish County died. The county has had six cases.

At this point, they need to just shut off all ingress and egress from Seattle and Kings, Snohomish and Pierce counties. Bar the roads; let shipments of goods in and out, but no one leaves or goes unless they have approved permission to do so. The entire area is compromised.

That sounds extreme but its what we're heading toward. Mandatory hand washing, glove use in public. Mandatory testing, like they're doing in the drive-ins in South Korea. Mandatory quarantine via threat of arrest - my mother remembers a time post-war when a "quarantine" sign on a family home meant business, and police would take action if it was broken.

I couldn't find any hand sanitizer today, then I checked Amazon. I think speculators bought it all up and are selling it for super-inflated prices.

R543. Indeed 9 deaths out of 27 reported cases is very alarming. Probably hundreds of cases there.

R541 that’s odd they didn’t ID the university. They stated the boy lived on campus. Hope it’s not NYU. I know from being a student there that the dorm rooms - well you’re “packed in”... plus if NYU is still using those hand scanners to get into the buildings then students are fucked.

Anyone know if NYU is still using hand scanners?

R489 Take a look at dry car wipes if you are desperate.

R456, Yeshiva University. Just heard it on NY1.

The father took public transport into the city to work!!!

The stupid reporter said not to worry about public transport, that's not how it's spread...stupid cunt.

[quote]Speaking of Cruise Ships, WHET the Caribbean Princess that recently docked over the weekend in Everglades, Florida. Don't recall hearing another word since they came to Florida with a boatload full of very sick passengers.

Knowing how every other place has handled disease-carrying evacuees, the passengers were probably all released from the ship, shook hands with the mayor, kissed babies, and were given a key to the city.

Absolutely no common sense.

The father worked in midtown. I wonder where!? it's a small law firm. I'm sure the details will leak out sooner or later...don't they have to inform everyone at work to get tested etc?

[quote]The stupid reporter said not to worry about public transport, that's not how it's spread...stupid cunt.

Drives me crazy. KCRW's "Press Play" news program had an LA county public health official whose every other statement contradicted the last. So much misinformation and ignorance, and the people we rely on to be "experts" know less about basic virology than a paste-eating kindergartener.

The reporter needs to be flogged. We want and need people to worry. If he/she means "don't panic" , then say so.

Word choice means everything right now.

Google, Twitter, CNN. All of these big companies taking smart actions while the US govt just shrugs.

[quote]It is acceptable to abbreviate it Calif., maybe Cal., or the postal abbreviation CA, but never, ever Cali. Never, ever.

It is consoling and reassuring to me that even amidst this fear and hysteria DL can still revert to its usual overwrought fixation with the truthful but trivial.

Throw in your Part 11 thread titles.

I vote for "The Lung and The Breathless".

Don’t worry about hand sanitizer shortages. Just wash your hands more—twenty seconds or the time it takes to sing “Happy Birthday to You” twice. Hand washing is far superior to hand sanitizers, anyway. And wearing gloves in public is far better than wearing a mask, so long as you don’t touch your face with them on.

r549 It's spread by droplet via air (like by sneezing) or by surface contamination.

I'd like some more information - doubt its forthcoming but one can dream - about how else it might be spread. As in, a firm detail as to how long it lasts on surfaces and on what types.

Also, what is the human route of transmission of infection. Some of the posts a few threads back said it seemed to perhaps come in thru the eyes and ears (!) as well as nose or mouth. Can it be taken in via closed skin, or open cuts.

[quote]And wearing gloves in public is far better than wearing a mask, so long as you don’t touch your face with them on.

So true.

The past few nights when I was sitting out in public, using my Ipad, I deliberately put a paper napkin in my hand at all times so when I put my hand up to my face - to rest my chin, for example - I wasn't 'touching' it. I changed it out every half hr. It looked weird but felt cleaner.

R557 The problem is many people don't realize they are touching their face until they are already touching their face!

Sterilizer freaks - how about using 40 or 99% isopropyl alcohol as hand/surface sanitizer?

I saw one-gallon jugs of it at my local Ace Hardware. It's pretty cheap as well.

A reminder never to mix bleach with ammonia. It creates a toxic gas that will kill you.

You'll be dead, but your toilet will be fabulously clean!

I know someone that used ammonia and bleach to clean her toilet and she didn't die but she burned the hell out of her lungs and was hospitalized for months.

I read there's far lower risk of contracting it through shared air... don't get close to someone who's ill or coughing obviously, but the real danger is virus enduring on surfaces, which is why hand washing is far more important than any bloody mask. If anyone should wear the masks, it's the ill... so maybe you want to stay as far away as you can from anyone in a mask. They might be sending a message they're ill or infectious.

Thanks to the lack of leadership, general complacency, open borders and frequency of travel within the states, any significant cluster in Washington state (or any other state) will spread like wildfire. It's also unlikely that America will be able to lock down cities like China did for weeks to help slow or stop the spread. Not looking good at all

Why do so many Americans need toilet paper? Other civilized countries have realized that toilet paper isn't very good.

yeah this obession for toilet paper is hilarious! omg there's a killer virus, i need to stock up on toilet paper.

Lack of leadership? Here's the great Mike Pence leading his Coronavirus team win a prayer circle.

And on the right, there's Anthony Fauci, striking a blow for science by complying with his non-believing master's orders. Excellent use of his time and his skills.

We're in great hands.

I disagree, R566. China could lockdown because it isn't a democracy. The U.S. will have to handle things more selectively and locally... suspension of public events, school closings on a need to basis, restrictions on visitors at certain places like hospitals and nursing homes. But between the Constitution and the economy, and Trump trying to cover his useless ass, nothing too dramatic or abrupt will get done unless the dead are lying in the streets, and that doesn't look likely. It's been going on in China for what - two months - and even though the majority of the dead are in China, the total dead globally so far is just about 4,000. That doesn't seem lethal enough for the U.S. public to accept draconian measures. Nor do they seem necessary at this point. There is nothing to stop people self quarantining anyway... if you spend most of your time at home or away from people, wash your hands, you can probably protect yourself better than the national guard blocking the roads to the city.

Grindr will be a problem, though.

Re R569.... that's a powerful image...

of idiocy.

Grindr. Yup. Watch out for Grindr hookups.

Don't rim strangers.

It is in my county now. I am not worried for me but am freaking out a little for the elderly in my family.

R568 Who knew toilet paper is like a security blanket for so many people?

Experts agree they have a great deal to learn, but four factors likely play some role: how close you get; how long you are near the person; whether that person projects viral droplets on you; and how much you touch your face. (Of course, your age and health are also major factors.)

What’s a viral droplet?

It is a droplet containing viral particles. A virus is a tiny codependent microbe that attaches to a cell, takes over, makes more of itself and moves on to its next host. This is its “lifestyle,” said Gary Whittaker, a professor of virology at Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine.

A “naked” virus can’t go anywhere unless it’s hitching a ride with a droplet of mucus or saliva, said Kin-on Kwok, a professor at the Chinese University of Hong Kong’s Jockey Club School of Public Health and Primary Care.

These mucus and saliva droplets are ejected from the mouth or nose as we cough, sneeze, laugh, sing, breathe and talk. If they don’t hit something along the way, they typically land on the floor or ground.

To get access to your cells, the viral droplets must enter through the eyes, nose or mouth. Some experts believe that sneezing and coughing are likely the primary forms of transmission. Professor Kwok said talking face-to-face or sharing a meal with someone could pose a risk.

Julian Tang, a virologist and professor at the University of Leicester in England who is researching coronavirus with Professor Kwok, agreed.

“If you can smell what someone had for lunch — garlic, curry, etc. — you are inhaling what they are breathing out, including any virus in their breath,” he said.

Experts agree they have a great deal to learn, but four factors likely play some role: how close you get; how long you are near the person; whether that person projects viral droplets on you; and how much you touch your face. (Of course, your age and health are also major factors.)

What’s a viral droplet?

It is a droplet containing viral particles. A virus is a tiny codependent microbe that attaches to a cell, takes over, makes more of itself and moves on to its next host. This is its “lifestyle,” said Gary Whittaker, a professor of virology at Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine.

A “naked” virus can’t go anywhere unless it’s hitching a ride with a droplet of mucus or saliva, said Kin-on Kwok, a professor at the Chinese University of Hong Kong’s Jockey Club School of Public Health and Primary Care.

These mucus and saliva droplets are ejected from the mouth or nose as we cough, sneeze, laugh, sing, breathe and talk. If they don’t hit something along the way, they typically land on the floor or ground.

To get access to your cells, the viral droplets must enter through the eyes, nose or mouth. Some experts believe that sneezing and coughing are likely the primary forms of transmission. Professor Kwok said talking face-to-face or sharing a meal with someone could pose a risk.

Julian Tang, a virologist and professor at the University of Leicester in England who is researching coronavirus with Professor Kwok, agreed.

“If you can smell what someone had for lunch — garlic, curry, etc. — you are inhaling what they are breathing out, including any virus in their breath,” he said.

My poor UPS delivery man has lost his bouncy step. He's being worn out humping boxes of toilet paper, bleach, bottled water and mayonnaise. He's wearing a Clint Eastwood-stle hat, too, now and I'm sure it's not regulation. I think he's gonna snap. I'm peeking at him through the curtains. He just threw my 24-pack, canned soups down with such a thud that my heart is racing. I think I'm in love.

How close is too close?

Christian Lindmeier, a spokesman for the World Health Organization, said it’s best to stay three feet from a sick person.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that standing within six feet could carry risk.

How long is too long to be near an infected person?

It’s not yet clear, but most experts agree that more time equals more risk.

Will you know a person is sick?

Not necessarily.Keep in mind that if you do get sick, most symptoms are as mild as a cold or the flu. Still, others who are infected with coronavirus never fall ill at all. (Technically, COVID-19 is the name for the sickness caused by the respiratory virus.) But the flip side of this is that it can be hard to tell who is capable of spreading coronavirus.

In a growing number of cases, people without symptoms have infected others. The W.H.O. still believes that most of those who have spread coronavirus were clearly ill at the time of transmission, Mr. Lindmeier said.

Can the virus last on a bus pole, touch screen or other surface?

Yes. After numerous people who attended a Buddhist temple in Hong Kong fell ill, the city’s Center for Health Protection collected samples from the site. Restroom faucets and the cloth covers over Buddhist texts tested positive for coronavirus, the agency said.

Technically, the virus widely known as the coronavirus is just the latest of many similarly shaped viruses. (Coronaviruses are named for the spikes that protrude from their surfaces, which resemble a crown or the sun’s corona.) A study of other coronaviruses found they remained on metal, glass and plastic for two hours to nine days.

Whether a surface looks dirty or clean is irrelevant. If an infected person sneezed and a droplet landed on a surface, a person who then touches that surface could pick it up. How much is required to infect a person is unclear.

Coronaviruses are relatively easy to destroy, Professor Whittaker said. Using a simple disinfectant on a surface is nearly guaranteed to break the delicate envelope that surrounds the tiny microbe, rendering it harmless.

As long as you wash your hands before touching your face, you should be OK, because viral droplets don’t pass through skin.

If you are concerned about getting sick from someone who might have sneezed onto a product you’ve ordered that’s made in China, don’t worry. In the time it takes to get to the United States, you should be safe, and if you are really concerned, you can clean the surface with a disinfectant or wash your hands after touching it.

Does the brand or type of soap you use matter?

-No, several experts said.

My neighbor is coughing. Should I be worried?

-There is no evidence that viral particles can go through walls or glass, said Dr. Ashish K. Jha, director of the Harvard Global Health Institute.

He said he was more concerned about common spaces than dangers posed by vents, provided there is good air circulation in a room.

An infected neighbor might sneeze on a railing and if you touched it, “that would be a more natural way to get it from your neighbor,” he said.

Can I get it from making out with someone?

-Kissing could definitely spread it, several experts said. Though coronaviruses are not typically sexually transmitted, it’s too soon to know, the W.H.O. said.

Is it safe to eat where people are sick with coronavirus?

-If a sick person handles the food or it’s a high-traffic buffet, then risks cannot be ruled out — but heating or reheating food should kill the virus, Professor Whittaker said.

Dr. Jha concurred. “As a general rule, we haven’t seen that food is a mechanism for spreading,” he said.

To all our Washington State gay elders, are your living wills in place? How are you preparing for your eventual demise? And no, we don't want your contaminated stuff.

Just got back from a Sam's Club in Michigan. Not at all busy and plenty of hand sanitizer, toilet paper and cold/flu medication. Couldn't find any hydrogen peroxide but I don't know if they carry that.

New thread link

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This video from Vietnam has its own thread, but it deserves to be here as well.

Yesterday, we were hearing the virus can go through the air. Such as through breathing. People above are saying droplets, like the flu. So, wtf? I trust yesterday’s news on this.

if the infected person coughs/sneezes near you, the virus can travel through the air and you can inhale it, if you are close enough...

The photo at R569 is terrifying.

Not that, R587, the news was this virus was different from the flu, which spreads that way.

Bath and body works's website is all sold out of sand sanitizers as well.

They must be loving the business.

R561- strangely, the 99% is LESS effective in sterilizing, as it evaporates too quickly to kill all germs/bacteria. That's why 60-70% alcohol is best.

r531, circa 1987:

Have you considered conning a Youtube HaulFrau into a lavender relationship, R590?

Some smart looking nitrile gloves are just what the doctor ordered when you make a trip to the grocery store. Those carts are brimming with germs, so don't touch the handle. Those things are nasty.

Buy a big box of nitrile gloves. When coronavirus is behind us, you can have a big fisting party.

R589,

Coronavirus is believed to spread mainly through “respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes within about six feet of another person,” according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Don't waste your time, R594. They'll accept nothing less than droplet nuclei, sneeze-to-ear, and unbroken-skin transmission.

You big cowardly OCD PUSSY!

This is hilarious.

[QUOTE] going the hydrogen peroxide route myself. Buying up a lot of it (the regular stuff you get at the drug store), and mixing it 50/50 with distilled water to put in multiple spray bottles to wipe down my home surfaces, work cube and environment, etc.Am trying to find some clean 'handiwipes' to purchase - just dry untreated wipes, with nothing on them - so I can soak them in this HP mixture to create my own sanitizing wipes to carry in a ziploc with me when I'm out doing things. Will use them to wipe down the inside of my car, tables at the cafe where I sit, etc...anyone know where

Per CNN, "First coronavirus case in North Carolina linked to Seattle-area nursing home"

R590 I love those sand sanitizers from Bath and Body as well. They exfoliate, soften, and sanitize in one easy step.

R590 I love those sand sanitizers from Bath and Body as well. They exfoliate, soften, and sanitize in one easy step.

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