Democratic Nevada Caucus: The Nevadening

Pete overperforms. Sanders underperforms. Biden, Warren and Klubuchar drop and support Pete after Super Tuesday.

Go Nevada save America! Make Warren and Pete go 1 & 2 !!!!

Go West !!!

Feels like it'll never get underway! Supposedly they began signing in voters well over an hour ago, and should be formally getting underway in about half an hour?

Big wild card here is going to be the second place ranked-choice spots. I predict those are going to vary wildly from Precinct to Precinct so there is no significant pattern to be detected. Warren should get a bit of a boost from the debate, but with all the early votes cast that won't be significantly important, beyond some added viability here and there.

CNN is over the top already... you'd think it had concluded. Nothing like Wolf Blitzer selling excitement.

[quote]Biden, Warren and Klubuchar drop and support Pete after Super Tuesday.

LOL... Liz 'everybody gets a free everything' Warren and Angry Klobuchar backing Pete?

Tuesday’s debate is a bloodbath, gangbang on Sanders.

R2, I would be very happy with that result.

Come on Warren !!

Go Pete !!!!

Swingline Sally ain't dropping out before super Tuesday when she stands the chance of nabbing a few Minnesota delegates.

Sanders underperforms for the third time, Bros continue to spin it as an overwhelming victory.

I guess you missed the “after Super Tuesday” part. You think Liz and Klobuchar will support Bloomberg?

Oracle, do you intend to chant that every five or so posts? Because it's getting old already. And I agree with half your point.

[quote]I guess you missed the “after Super Tuesday” part. You think Liz and Klobuchar will support Bloomberg?

Again - slowly and with small words - Liz's platform is poles apart from Pete's. Amy hates Pete. They won't support Pete. It doesn't make sense.

If anything, they'll angle for a brokered convention and try to find a way to hang on.

CBS' Ed O'Keefe:

A “deficit of volunteers” at some caucus sites is complicating the early hours of Nevada’s Democratic Caucus, party leaders told presidential campaigns on Saturday.

Does anybody think Biden will endorse Pete's candidacy if he drops out sooner rather than later?

Warren wins decisively. Biden continues his downward trajectory. Klobuchar and Buttigieg become irrelevant. Bernie remains in place, pissing on everyone and everything.

They’re dead in the water. They will have to choose someone or let Bernie run away with it. Pete is the only real Democrat performing. 15 delegates are not going to be of any use at a brokered convention.

Check-in started at 10 am. Only day in Feb it rained. Predict a lot of no-shows.

Caucus heads were all asked to sign NDA's. Several volunteers have already quit. I predict problems during the process. Reports in advance that many of the elderly volunteers couldn't properly use smart phones' apps.

Tom Perez will not be allowed within 500 yards of the Democratic convention if this turns into another shitshow.

Does anyone know when the final numbers will be released?

June 12th, 2023

If Iowa is any indication, R19, should be about a week and a half.

Bernie is about to start his victory speech though.

How long until they start reporting preliminary results? It's officially supposed to start at noon.

OK, but in theory Tom Perez has nothing to do with it... when should results come in if everything goes according to plan?

2:30 cst maybe.

Perez will still have his, in theory position then tomorrow but someone else will be heading the DNC. Let Steyer do it. He’s clearly got too much time on his hands.

My TV tells me CNN is running this motherfucking show all the way until midnight, so I dunno what it thinks is going on.

The doors close at the top of the hour. They say we should start getting results in about an hour and a half.

Trump told them Cirque du Soleil would be presenting each update.

[quote]The doors close at the top of the hour. They say we should start getting results in about an hour and a half.

Then what the hell is CNN going to talk about all day and night? (Not that it's stopped them before.)

Any truth to the rumour Angry Crowbarchar insulted one half of the state and threatened the other?

I didn’t realize when she said she “sees me” she meant “I have you in my sights and the stapler is aimed right between your eyes”

MSNBC has declared it "Too Early To Call" based on the the entrance polls.

What was the point?

^ Funny, Helen Keller said the same thing via a medium on the Vegas strip.

I asked my Magic 8Ball if it was too early to calls and it said Yes, definitely.

So I guess hat tip to MSNBC.

Apparently their numbers actually are the early vote? I have no idea?

Let’s make sure we don’t forget links. Looking at you, r17.

Those entrance polls seem just too lopsided in Sanders favor for me to get my head around. However, they do indicate what I suspected in that Pete may be the only one who is viable of the rest of the pack.

Bernie wins, but by a much smaller margin than expected. Basically a repeat of New Hampshire.

Agreed, except I'm not so sure that the others besides Pete will be viable.

CBS: Campaign aides tells CBS News there is a lack of volunteers to oversee Nevada caucus results in several locations. Ed OKeefe says it's an example of "disorganization and potential chaos" that some campaigns might stoke to "question the validity" of results.

A gentle reminder that Bernie was the one who argued to continue the caucuses.

“...And we are looking at you Bernie”

[quote]Bernie is about to start his victory speech though.

I assume Pete has given his already?

(Based on these entrance polls, which I am skeptical about) it does look like a good night for Sanders... Biden not doing badly in the second spot (strong with blacks) but everybody else is hard to call. If you believe them, and again not sure, a very bad showing for Warren and Angry. I'm going from memory from what I just heard and saw on CNN. That said, I think the only thing I feel really confident about is Sanders is doing well. But even that could change. Entrance polls seem sketchy to me.

Good catch, R37.

Who is Gadi Swartz on MSNBC and who is his bf? And if he doesn't have one, can I be?

Entrance polls shows Bernie CRUSHING among Hispanic voters:

Bernie 51% Biden 13% Buttigieg 10% No one else in double digits

Gadi Schwartz is adorkable.

Fox News just declared Tulsi Gabbard the winner with 98.7% of the vote.

^ LOL

No one is dropping out until the Convention. Everyone knows Sanders will not be given the nomination, so the winner will be chosen from among the others remaining.

Sanders gets 26-29 percent. Biden gets 15-20 percent. Bloomberg gets 15-20 percent. Pete in fourth. Warren fifth. The Klob in sixth.

The media will say its a Sanders landslide, that he is unstoppable now, despite the fact that votes for moderates total 55-60 percent.

Most of them will not have the funding to continue to be seen as active candidate even if they don't formerly make a suspension statement.

Bloomberg is not on the ballot. Try again Nostradamus.

Ugh R53

Bloomberg isn’t on the fucking ballot in Nevada!!!!!!!!

Bloomberg isn't on the ballot.

Bernie will develop V-fib and die.

R37, Very well, I'll stop posting entirely. Links were from active NV Caucus volunteer from another site. Also gave early Caucus voting results, and the number of early Caucus voters.

That is not really in doubt. The question is when?

I'm reminded once again how much I load Brian Williams. I suppose Gadi Schwartz makes up for it a bit.

loathe!!!

How much?

Brian Williams’s 2 Load Weekend.

TAP..Tap...Tap Nevada, is this thing on? We are waiting.

@ a high school where Sanders just prevailed his supporters are seated beneath a sign on the wall that reads: The Crazy Train Lives Here.

Not sure if there's a message there or not.

Honestly, would you really let Gadi Schwartz put his tongue in your mouth? 😮

There better not be any Malarkey going on.

Sanders will win NV, with Buttigieg a distant second.

Now the report of potential damage control with NDAs. This is why Trump will win re-election in 2020.

The Dems can't organize a trip to the bathroom, sadly.

Well??

In the entrance polls, Sanders leads in every single demographic group except blacks and people over 65, where Biden leads.

They need to change the rules next time so that there are no more caucuses, no more non-Democrats running, and no over-70s running.

BERNIE SMASH!!!

When are the results coming out?

The Democratic Party in Nevada was requiring volunteers to sign NDA's, what a crappy thing to do to people who are volunteering to help you out for free. That might be why some precinct were hurting for volunteers.

Tom Perez is a giant piece of shit.

[quote]Sanders will win NV, with Buttigieg a distant second.

I fear it will be Sanders and then Warren, based on what I am seeing on CNN. She's way behind, but she seems to have the most consistent second place finish. Sometimes Biden, sometimes Pete.

Steyer's playing spoiler in some scenarios.

The only clear thing is you better duck - Angry is doing very poorly.

While I don't disagree with you R77, if your response was to my post in R76, that looks like it was all on the Nevada Democratic Party.

Nothing says self confidence like a good NDA.

Per Wikipedia

[quote] Gadi Schwartz lives with his wife Reporter Kim Tobin in Los Angeles.

r78 Warren looks to be coming in 4th.

Ragey Amy is going to do much better than expected. She’s been a dark horse candidate the whole way through. Nobody expected her to still be here at this point.

I voted in Nevada on Tuesday. Standing in line for almost 3 hours. A caucus is outdated. Nightmarish.

Fun fact: Angry got eliminated after Iowa, just everybody is too scared to tell her.

If they're smart, they'll skip the in-person part and just call it a party run ranked-choice primary instead next time.

Just a few tips for becoming the next President of the United States for our Democratic field of nightmares.

The first person that ties the Corona Virus to Trump will win.

Stay with me a moment.

Does anyone thing that if the President was a Democrat, Trump would not be attacking? There you go.

All any of these people have to do is the following. Start ads on TV with the following information and graphics that will terrify people. It will be the Daisy Girl ad for the new century. Start the ad telling people that for the last three years a person has been dismantling our protections against a pandemic. He and and his imbecile gang have been firing people, and destroying the very departments that were pout in place by Democrats and what we believe would of helped us in this very time of emergency, only to be destroyed by a person that does not believe in science.

Hang this albatross, and rightly so over the fucking neck of Trump. It is him that mad the bad decisions, it is his actions that will possibly fuck us all.

That is how you win an election. That is how you take this fucker down for good. They better run this shit, because you KNOW that the republic party is figuring a way to backtrack blame on Democrats.

The ad would devastate Trump. He would be un-electable after going after him for this. His poll numbers would collapse.

Do it Democrats. Do it and win.

R87, when you can shoot a person in the middle of 5th Avenue and not lose a single vote and I believe Trump was correct about his cult followers not abandoning him, sticking Trump with a lie of starting a virus isn't going to lose him any votes either. Nice try though.

I agree r87. It was also his call to go against the CDC and bring home infected people on a plane of healthy people to America.

R88, Where did I say that we would accuse him of starting a virus? Are you dense? We would accuse him of facilitating it's spread by his incompetence. What is so hard to get? You think the republic party is not starting rumors about how Obama is actually to BLAME for it. Get a fucking clue please.

R90, yeah someone is dense but it isn't me.

R88, it seems to be true that Trump's crazy base will not leave him. But that does not mean he has not been losing votes. Polling shows he's losing a lot of them. All the centrists who hated Hillary and went to Trump because they had no place else to go are not showing any inclination of voting for him again. He's lots a lot of votes. A lot.

Carville is on MSNBC predicting a Bernie catastrophe. He sounds desperate and I agree with him.

Meanwhile, over at MSNBC, Nicolle Wallace is yucking it up with James Carville. What the hell does she find so funny that drives her to fits of laughter every day? Every blessed day.

well all this is due to the press not focusing any negative stories on Sanders until now.

Go back to last summer and fall. All the negative stories were about Harris, Warren and then the fake Biden "scandal." All the press had to say that was negative about Sanders was "is he a socialist? too extreme?" and that's as far as they go. No one harped on his past. Not until this week has the negative coverage started.

I hope after Nevada the press immediately goes after him and no one else on the Democratic side

^^We posted simultaneously, R93. You are correct, but Carville had his share of the mirth fest, too.

Oh Lord, here come Joy Reid and "Tweety" Matthews.

R92, Trump is at his highest approvals now, just below 50%, which is above Barack Obama’s rating in February 2012.

Trump’s people vote. They will flex again in November

Cabriole is correct. This is a national tragedy

A Bernie Bro celebrating a Bernie lead?

Democrats are so bad at politics

For fuck's sake, Ladies. Only 2% of the results are in at this time.

I somewhat blame Obama for not building the party after 2008 so that we had a wide field of charismatic Canada’s nationwide to choose from after his administration Ended.

Are Trump and Putin laughing yet?

NonBernie Dems need to go nuclear and release all oppo ammo to take down Bernie now

Bloomberg needs to launch anti Bernie ads ASAP

Trump Is loving this train wreck

Bro shake weights a Bernie win.

the other Democratic candidates need to start incorporating grievance politics into their campaigns. Don't let Sanders do it alone.

All the other Democratic candidates should be railing against Trump and Putin and election interference. Talk about school and other mass shootings

talk about how Trump is ripping off the public and how it's not fair and they will put a stop to it.

Bernie and the others need to focus on taking down Bloomberg.

R1, I like your thinking, but Amy would never support Pete.I absolutely believe that Biden would.

Do a lot of Latino voters just like socialist politicians? Look at Latin America. Now Sanders is sweeping them up

R94, I said something similar on another thread. Nicole has become an annoying chucklehead, chortling at her own (unfunny) lines. So that's four MSNBC shows I can't listen to: her; Craig Melvin; Andrea Mitchell; and Chuck Todd.

There is not really a way for the moderate lane to consolidate before Super Tuesday. Two or three would have to drop out. We are going to be stuck with an unvented candidate who a minority coalesced around.

R103, You meant "candidates," but I would rather some more Canadas!

Amy can easily go and not be missed.

Are any of you seeing a lot of enthusiasm for the democratic candidates in real life? I do see enthusiasm on social media, but I don't come across very many people in real life who seem all that invested in the primary. I feel like people were more enthusiastic about the midterms than this primary. It's weird.

R117, people are enthusiastic for no more Trump. The 2018 midterms were an indictment against Trump. I expect more from where that came from.

a lot of Americans are lazy when it comes to voting. There's always a much higher turnout for the general than for primaries. I was encouraged in 2018 we saw higher turnout for midterms

I see results are pouring in at a lightning pace.

Most people probably just figured they would vote for whoever the Democrat would be in Nov, but they didn’t think it would be Bernie. The only hope now is for a sudden awakening which is highly unlikely.

The enthusiastic people that I have talked to are either for Bernie or for Pete. I haven't had anyone tell me they are excited about anyone else, the others just tell me that they don't want Bernie.

this is like in 2016 when too many repub candidates didn't drop out. Trump won a small majority of the primaries.

R22, non-Bernie people should coalesce behind Pete. He is a refreshing candidate with actual momentum and enthusiasm, and can bridge a gap between older and younger voters.

Bitter Amy won’t allow that, r124. Pete has been seriously wounded by Joy Reid types and those who eat salad with combs.

It's been clear for a while that Bernie would probably build up a lead in delegates that the other candidates wouldn't be able to overcome. But DL'ers, as usual, have been in complete denial, insisting that Pete or Amy would somehow magically rise to the top of the pack.

ROFL the eldergays in here are in denial

Steyer and Bloomberg should just drop out and run anti-Sanders ads along with anti-Trump ads

[quote] non-Bernie people should coalesce behind Pete. He is a refreshing candidate with actual momentum and enthusiasm, and can bridge a gap between older and younger voters.

Even though Pete is young, younger voters don't seem to like him. Black voters don't like him either. The only gap Pete seems able to bridge is the gap between old whites and middle-age whites.

As per foxnews Sanders has already won Nevada

CNN and MSNBC are waiting for more results

only four percent reporting

As per foxnews Sanders has already won Nevada

CNN and MSNBC are waiting for more results

only four percent reporting

South Carolina now lets send some of them packing.

R129, just anecdotally, I see enthusiasm for Pete in peers my age -- 30somethings in careers (which, you're right, is middle-age now). But I also believe getting middle-age voters is more important than the flaky, unreliable early-20somethings.

I guess debate performances don't matter

Sanders wasn't any different this week than before. He wasn't the biggest talking point in the press either

Run not necessarily anti-Sanders ads, R128, but pro-Biden messages.

the biggest story to me in 2020 will be how many more millennials will vote than in years past. Every millennial is now of voting age. We even have the first few years of generation z available to vote too

will more millennials come out in the general than compared to 2016? Millennials could completely cancel out the baby boomer Trump vote if they show up

R105 There is no oppo than what's out. How are so many delusional about this? Sanders is gonna sweep. DL is a SMALL corner of the Internet for secluded mid-age or older wealthier gay men. You don't get what's going on out there and the enthusiasm for Sanders which is only beat by 2008 Obama's because there isn't a recession yet and there's still a flooded field. He OWNS the youth vote. These are the canvassers, the ones who drag their parents in, and the future political trenders.

Now there's a chance he'll win South Carolina and he's right on track to win at least California and Texas soon.

Pete (and his supporters) miscalculated the election horribly, but you would rarely hear that here. The demographics where he, and most of the other candidates than Sanders, are narrowing daily. White college educated women? Middle aged southern black men? No. Coalitions of the working class swarm over anything else, but you have several candidates trying to be Clinton or (PRESIDENT-toned) Obama again.

r1345, it didn't matter because he didn't gain or lose but as the lead in the poles you don't have to.

He needed to be attacked not Bloomberg who wasn't on the ballot or Amy who is at the bottom. Liz and Pete misdirected their fire.

R136, yes, and not all of us are Bernie people.

R133. I am a thirty something and I prefer Biden or Bernie. The younger candidate is attracting much older people and turning off his own generation.

Good post, r137. People here are terribly out of touch.

Both Sanders and Warren gained from the debate. Warren arguably gained more, gaining more funding and survival support, but Sanders race was helped (slightly) more as he just solidifies his lead more and more.

R139 good luck but at this rate Pete's done before or after Super Tuesday barring a very surprisingly good result better than both Biden and Bloomberg. I won't write off his chances to stick at least through March (and as the field winnows, be able to stick through further), but you're going to see all non-Sanders camps urging each other to drop out now, and Pete's a soft target despite his early success, due to demographic weaknesses.

The problem Is that Bernie supporters either aren’t prioritizing general election swing state electability, or have a delusional sense of how electable a 78-year old Vermont Senator is in purple states.

This is going to be yet another bubble election. Now another generation will learn that this country leans right. Bernie is going to get smacked by Trump, we will lose ground in Congress and the courts and it will be a moderate Democrat who comes in to clean up the mess. Same plot, different decade.

R142, I'm aware that it's an uphill battle and I'm fine with that. It's been an uphill battle the entire time and he's defied all expectations.

Pete has run a historic campaign for gay people and people in his age group. He's a millennial actually trying to affect change himself instead of waiting for paternal grandpas to change things for him.

*effect

Live vote count has Bernie 54.6% smothering Pete 8.5%

Sanders won. No stopping him now.

Watching MSNBC on the days Sanders wins is like watching Fox on election nights in 2008 and 2012: completely funereal.

I have not been the most supportive of Bernie but if he wins the nomination people need to get behind it and give him a chance.

Twelve years of antiestablishmentarianism is eating my lunch. I miss the days of stability, decency, and meritocracy (at least among those enjoying white privilege).

R148, Bernie people et al: You do know that if Bernie does win the nomination, you have to bring non-Bernie voters into the fold, right? I'm not sure exactly who you think this type of gloating is helping -- or what you think it's accomplishing -- but it certainly doesn't seem to be in your best interest if you're wanting all Democrats to coalesce behind your candidate.

R149 MSNBC is melting down about Sanders winning. Carville about to stroke out and Joy Reid freaking out. It’s the END OF THE WORLD you guys! The Apocolypse!

I just wish they’d get rid of that Vote Latina or whatever commentator. I can’t look at that face. Her lips are gruesome.

The billionaires need to fund Senate races now in a massive effort. They’ll need it with Bernie as the candidate. Otherwise, threw it will be a takeover of the courts and no check on Trump or ability to pass legislation.

Never said I was a "Bernie" person R152, I was just stating facts.

[quote] due to demographic weaknesses.

You mean zero support among non-white voters? That weakness?

Pete’s toast. Get over it.

R144 unless Millennials come out en masse and stand behind Sanders. Enough young people are pissed off at Trump so it could happen. I'm a millennial and I was dismayed at how many stayed home in 2016 in the battleground states. Younger voting was up in 2018 so that's a good sign but we'll have to see what the reaction is assuming Sanders gets the nomination

[quote]Pete has run a historic campaign for gay people and people in his age group. He's a millennial actually trying to affect change himself instead of waiting for paternal grandpas to change things for him.

Except R145, Millennials support Bernie Sanders first and Elizabeth Warren second?

And the LGBT community supports Bernie Sanders first and Elizabeth Warren second?

Pete is a centrist and both of those groups favor progressives.

Ohhhhhh, Jeremy Cor-byn!

Ohhhhhh, Jeremy Cor-byn!

[quote] Live vote count has Bernie 54.6%

But that means 46 percent of the Nevada voters hate Bernie! He's underperforming! What a loser!

[qupte]I said something similar on another thread. Nicole has become an annoying chucklehead, chortling at her own (unfunny) lines.

I agree with both of you about Nicolle Wallace and also mentioned her odd behavior in another thread. The cackling is really over the top.

I wonder if she's on something. It sure sounds that way.

[quote]I said something similar on another thread. Nicole has become an annoying chucklehead, chortling at her own (unfunny) lines.

I agree with both of you about Nicolle Wallace and also mentioned her odd behavior in another thread. The cackling is really over the top.

I wonder if she's on something. It sure sounds that way.

The Rethugs are salivating at the shower of shit they will release with their Bernie oppo.

They must be truly giddy watching these results.

[quote] the biggest story to me in 2020 will be how many more millennials will vote

Will they get off their asses and actually vote though? Old people are reliable voters, they always turn out. I don’t know about 20-somethings.

R160. Haters gonna hate.

R156 I'm not a Pete supporter. I just wanted to describe his situation as impartially as I could, instead of saying 'small bumps to overcome' or 'blacks totally hate him hahahaha' or whatever.

Nina Turner talking to Chris Matthews on MSNBC in the pouring rain.

R155, sorry.

I do think Sanders could help out the Democrats if he picked a very likable VP running mate. It should be a woman too.

The other candidates just haven't promised enough free gifts and promises that will never come true. All Trump has to do is point at Sanders and say "he wants to take away your medical insurance." It will be a landslide loss. As Sarandon said in 2016 "let Trump burn it all down."

In a different, normal America, the Dems could unite quickly around a plausible candidate with wide, mainstream appeal. Somone like Steve Bullock or Michael Bennet. Who could beat Trump easily.

Instead, we have a fringe purple-faced dinosaur, a failed facelifted retread, a couple of finger-wagging women, another horrid opportunistic billionaire, and a gay guy with a paper-thin resume who only won one type of election.

Behind Bernie Pete is only 300 behind Joe, just 10% of votes in. Amy 500 behind Liz. Pete might win Joe and Liz and Amy might have a tight race. Amy has no real potential to get anywhere and Joe and Liz are already in trouble. All three must know this isn’t their moment. They should unite behind Pete.

Hillary needs to share her oppo research on Bernie. Right about now.

It would be refreshing to have a progressive running things. We haven’t really had that since Roosevelt.

Give the guy a chance if he wins the nom.

It’s POURING rain in Vegas. It’s the Apocalypse. God has spoken.

[quote]I do think Sanders could help out the Democrats if he picked a very likable VP running mate. It should be a woman too.

Whoever he picks will be seen as his backup more so than in previous presidencies do to his health.

We know he was already vetting Warren which would consolidate the progressive vote and probably satisfy the Dem establishment since unlike him she's actually well liked.

Otherwise I'm sure we'll find out more as time goes on.

I love that Nicolle wears white on every election night. She looks fabulous!

R174 You mean Bernie? The same way his supporters gave to Hillary? Forget it.

I thought the results were going to be in pretty quickly?

r173 Peter Daou on twitter already said he saw it and there is nothing to see.

[quote] In a different, normal America, the Dems could unite quickly around a plausible candidate with wide, mainstream appeal. Somone like Steve Bullock or Michael Bennet. Who could beat Trump easily.

We're at a point where the only winning presidential candidates (both Democratic and Republican) are those who are outside the mainstream, anti-Washington, and have lots of character or personality (whether positive or negative). The GOP had the same issue in 2016 when Trump was able to knock off a huge list of mainstream, establishment Republicans.

[quote] Nicole has become an annoying chucklehead, chortling at her own (unfunny) lines.

That high-pitched cackling is like nails on a chalkboard. And the way her voice gets all high and screechy when she gets worked up about something (usually Trump and how much he SUCKS!)

We know, hon. Calm down.

I hope Sanders picks or is forced in a brokered convention to take Klobuchar, they go down in flames and lose that Minnesota seat to a Republican. Serve both their mediocre asses right to be the most embarrassing Democratic ticket of this century.

R163, I think it's kind of obvious that Republicans saw Bloomberg (and his billions) as the biggest threat out of this bunch (until that debate performance I guess). They clearly want Bernie.

Is this the official results thread? Where are all the links? Is this just the opinion thread?

Only 3% of the vote is in.

James Carville: People Who Think Bernie Will Beat Trump Are as ‘Stupid’ as Climate Deniers

It’s not official unless the poll troll is here. All else is conjecture and speculation.

They are prognosticating on one percent of the vote. What a bunch of assholes.

Can we get Ja on the line??

Single digit Amy and Steyer need to get out.

Joy Reid freaking out qualifies as a Fortunate Byproduct.

And if Biden finishes behind Pete and Liz in Nevada, he needs to go too.

Nice looking guy reporting from Texas on CNN. Who is he?

Angry speaking now... to muted applause.

The joy Reid troll is now worse that Joy Reid.

r193 Ryan Nobles

Amy speaking in Minneapolis. Odd choice. Get out of race already.

R196 thanks

R192 So far it’s Sanders way out in front with the other 4 all bunched up tied for second place. If they all stay in and this trend continues Bernie will have all the delegates he needs to win.

Why is Klobuchar speaking and in Minnesota no less? Is she dropping out of the race? She needs to.

Now she’s blandly reading those “You have a home with me” lines. To very sparse and tepid applause.

Remember, Bernie didn’t hit the skids in 2016 until Super Tuesday, when he got less that 20% of the entire vote from all the states combined.

Super Tuesday will tell us if there is an appetite for this nationwide.

Klobuchar is focusing on her middle America strategy. She thinks she has ownership of flyover country. Her next rally will be in Fargo.

Amy is insane. She will do anything and there is no explanation for it.

Dana Bash pointed out of all the contests so far it represents 3% of the party.

[quote] Amy is insane. She will do anything and there is no explanation for it.

At this point, I think she's better off becoming a spokeswoman for Staples or Office Depot.

Amy mentioned the snowstorm again - drink if you are playing along

Tulsi has 8 votes

This is taking forever.

R207, that Gay4Tulsi voter is probably one of those 8 votes.

Watching CNN on the computer and MSNBC on the iPad - I swear, they talk for two minutes, then go to commercial for 5. The commercial breaks keep syncing up, which is annoying. If my financial planner had a high pitched baby voice like the chick in the commercial, I don't think I could take her seriously.

We have a Tulsi supporter in my office. She's "that colleague" if you catch my drift.

I read where many people are 'early voting' in their states, risking voting for candidates who may not still be in the race on voting day. Thus throwing their votes away.

Pete’s catching up to warren.

Pete - 9.1%

Warren - 9.5%

Now Biden is speaking and he sounds drunk or something. Yikes.

R212 why the fuck would you vote eight months early

Pete destroyed Amy at the debate. Now she'll be a manhater and a gaybasher.

Biden gives a victory speech to a bunch of hooting union jerkoffs, followed immediately by NBC declaring Sanders the overwhelming winner

Eh, 4% reporting - we'll see what happens. Sanders will probably win, but numbers could tighten up

[quote]Pete destroyed Amy at the debate. Now she'll be a manhater and a gaybasher.

No, he didn't. He came across as a smug, arrogant prick. And she put him in his place.

Why would a bunch of red state rednecks vote for an elderly Independent Socialist Jew? Wasn't Matt Shepard executed out that way? Very suspicious.

R219 = Amy, snorting another line of coke in the women's stall.

And wasn’t Yusef Hawkins murdered in NYC? Don’t be a simpleton, r220

Lots of trolls here

That new dem votes are down in each state is a real downer. Ugh

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump

Looks like Crazy Bernie is doing well in the Great State of Nevada. Biden & the rest look weak, & no way Mini Mike can restart his campaign after the worst debate performance in the history of Presidential Debates. Congratulations Bernie, & don’t let them take it away from you!

R224 Obvious troll is obvious WWing himself. Sad!

Unfortunately R214, Biden sometimes makes little sense these days.

When Barr's Ukraine investigation is over, Biden will be unelectable.

Are the commentariat calling it already with not even 4% of counties reporting?

I walked to my caucus even though it was snowing here.

Great. A 78-year-old curmudgeon who is a heart attack victim and a Russophile.

He might be attracting the "youth vote," but history has shown that those youths don't bother to vote.

Trump will crush him, current polls notwithstanding. Trump ads will sound the "Communist" alarm so much that you'll think you're living in October of 1962.

He’s not a Russophile

Did rethugs organize to vote in Nevada’s caucus?

The media would still generate plenty of angry click$ with Bernie as prez.

Not that he will be.

@ 07:55 p.m. ET: Both MSNBC and Fox News called the 2020 Nevada Democratic caucus for Bernie Sanders. CNN frames it as “Leading.”

Entrance polls has Bernie having won both men and women as well as both whites and non-whites.

[italic]That[/italic] is the state.

I can hear the tension in the pundits' voices, because they know the dangers of a Bernie. They were all hoping Biden would snatch this and keep winning.

Probably r233. They will stop at nothing. They probably have stealth voters casting ballots for Sanders in all these primaries. In November they will vote for Trump.

The turnout is so low, I honestly think that’s likely, r237.

r224, yeah cuz the candidates suck.

Just now watched the FIRST commercial for president that wasn't for Trump or Bloomberg! It's nice that super Tuesday is coming up, and these candidates are pretending to care about my state.

Bernie winning is the least interesting part of today. Can we get some motherfucking results so we can see how second, third, fourth and fifth stack up? This is ridiculous.

Reading these live updates via Datalounge is infinitely better and more entertaining than watching TV or having to listen to the talking heads of cable news.

r233 They cancelled the Republican caucus in Nevada.

Are the Latins in the bag for Bernie?

[quote] Just now watched the FIRST commercial for president that wasn't for Trump or Bloomberg!

Then who was it?

What’s your point, r243?

IS PETE TALKING? IS HE MOCKING ME? IS HE CALLING ME UNKIND?

R244. Yes.

Iguess I should've included whose commercial it was, r245. It was for Klobuchar.

Latina, Venezuela, Bernie...

Hmm.

*Latins

Can you WW yourself?

Is that the DL version of masturbation?

Pete gotta have the sistas behind him at all press conferences! Gone gurl, get those black votes!

Should Biden go ahead and announce his VP choice (hopefully Harris or Abrams) if nominee to add excitement?

Trump never goes after Pete. Because he doesn't matter? I thought Trump was so thin skinned he'd attack anybody who mocked him.

That this is all based on 600 votes thus far is bizarre.

I blame Biden and the stupid blacks who supported him. He’s already had multiple chances and never should have run. It’s his fault the moderates are divided up, and a fraud like Sanders has now skated through.

I also blame Hillary for not doing more to expose Sanders as a fraud back in 2016.

“ The turnout is so low, I honestly think that’s likely, [R237].”

This is bullshit. Turnout was very strong.

Bernie’s numbers with Latino voters is truly insane. His Latino outreach director, Chuck Rocha, is a mastermind. Viva Tio Bernie!

Nevada = shit hole

Hypothetically, if Bernie mobilizes Latin voters nationwide- does the black vote matter any more?

Obviously these results from here on out are not valid. And the other candidates do not have to accept them.

The Russians have already admitted they are working on behalf of Sanders.

Asshole DNC chairman Perez needs to come up with a strategy to boot Sanders ASAP.

Obama's three million deportations hurt Biden, Alexandria's endorsement helped, and - lets be honest - Bernie's promising lots of freebies that will never come true.

Pete spent his speech begging for money and bashing Sanders who is about to blow him out of the water by more than 20 points. Pete sucks.

CNN cut away from Pete before he made a point about supporting Senate and House races from the top of the ticket - MSNBC stayed with him.

CNN now projecting Sanders as winner - despite the fact that no new reporting has come in

r254 Id be shocked if he did. The Democrats are not known for doing things out of the ordinary to actually attract voters and win. Thats why Trump has this thing on lock.

I fear Bernie wins this. I mean the nomination. The passion of those crowds.... I just... fuck. What do we do?

If the Latins get fired up for Bernie and the blacks stay home - ?

R265 NBC called it an hour ago. Sanders is going to win by a large margin. The race is now for second.

Lmao @ Elizabeth Warren at 4th

R224, votes are down

Lots of obvious concern trolls on this thread. Their posts are so obvious and always come in bunches.

Smell r272!

Aww, R273 got defensive.

Bernqueen @ r272

Pete’s being way too long-winded. And he needs to shave. Underwhelming yet again.

I’m in Pennsylvania and I will GLADLY vote for Trump if Bernie FRAUD Sanders is the alternative nominee.

[quote]Alexandria's endorsement helped

Dear god, why? Fuck this country.

Pete should yell a little.

Voting was down

I love the trolls who have a WW as soon as they post.

LINKS, people. Links!

I voted early on Tuesday. There was a lady I was standing with that I met in line. I let her go ahead of me at the voting table I was standing behind her. I think she was trying to re-register and they wouldn't let her. She turned around and said to me they won't let me register and then she walked out the exit. I don't know if she was generally trying to be a Democrat or was a republican trying to f*** with the caucus.

Here’s your link, Mary r282.

Seriously, why are they calling Sanders as winner if only 4% is reporting??? I don’t understand.

The delusions about Mayor Pete throughout this thread were quite something.

Exit polling supports a Sanders landslide.

Wouldn't it be some shit if Bernie had a fatal heart attack this week?

Old man Bernie and his ever jabbing finger are delivering their victory speech, with 4% of precincts reporting. I hope we get some fresh numbers soon - less than 6000 votes have been reported

r283 Can you register before you vote in Nevada, if so i'm curious if it being a caucus makes a difference.

Yes, r288, it certainly would be "some shit" if he mysteriously had a heart attack right after his landslide victory in Nevada.

[quote] Seriously, why are they calling Sanders as winner if only 4% is reporting???

Because he's that far ahead.

Why has the reporting been stuck at 4% for so long (CNN)?

So far Pete us barely above the 15% he needs to be viable (he’s at 16%.) And MSNBC just reported he got 0% black votes in Nevada tonight.

SC will finish him off and he’ll be gone.

r283, how do you vote early for a caucus?

r283, how do you vote early for a caucus?

R293 same with MSNBC

Blacks are going to ruin it

If Sanders is the nominee, I will write in Hillary. Payback time!

It was reported that roughly 75,000 people voted early. We have they not counted who won those votes?

I guess all of the network's last-ditch Bernie/Russia collusion business had absolutely no effect on voting.

Can you imagine all the saintly praise Bernie would get if he dies during the primaries as the other candidates kiss ass to try and win his supporters? “And my first act as POTUS will be to declare a national holiday on his birthday, name a submarine for him and add him to Mount Rushmore.

It's stuck at 4% because this caucusing shit is bullshit. Fuck this shit.

Fuck the Russians and the Bernie Bros.

I don’t understand how they call the election results with only four percent reporting.

r296 You could vote early in this caucus, you listed your top 3

Black people don't owe shit to Mayor Pete, or any other candidate for that matter.

Good grief.

r294, I think they actually corrected themselves and identified Pete as having 2% of the black vote. To put things in perspective, a relative non-player in this race, Tom Steyer, has 18% black support. Pete has a clear problem with black voters.

r299 Something tells me he won't need your help in losing, he'll do that all by himself.

How DARE the blacks vote for the candidate who they feel best represents their interests!

Why only 4% reporting? Is Nevada having an Iowa problem?

Bernie and DT appear to be immortal. Guess nice guys die first.

r309 Which white candidate represents their interests?

I believe that a big part of Pete's black problem is the media constantly talking about his black problem. They ignore his black surrogates to continue to push that narrative.

One again MSNBC was making snide comments about black women being on stage with him - those women are supports of his from South Bend who have been with him from the beginning of his campaign.

R290 I don't know. I'm from California and moved to Nevada a few years ago. The whole caucus thing is confusing.

Bernie wears me out with the finger-jabbing and bellowing. Ease up, gramps.

[quote] I don’t understand how they call the election results with only four percent reporting.

The call isn't just based on the actual results; it's based on the entrance polls. The entrance polls showed a clear victory for Sanders.

I'd love to see that poll with Steyer at 18% black support.

R313 lol, I saw that. “Nice of Pete to bring all his black supporters to the stage with him tonight.” Love it.

R285 girl, it’s not complicated. These networks have been doing this for decades. They have internal numbers, they know where the vote is outstanding. They know that Bernie’s lead is so huge in the areas that are reported (which aren’t his best areas) and can conclude that he will win once the big money precincts come in. Bernie won.

R285 girl, it’s not complicated. These networks have been doing this for decades. They have internal numbers, they know where the vote is outstanding. They know that Bernie’s lead is so huge in the areas that are reported (which aren’t his best areas) and can conclude that he will win once the big money precincts come in. Bernie won.

[quote] One again MSNBC was making snide comments about black women being on stage with him - those women are supports of his from South Bend who have been with him from the beginning of his campaign.

Reading all of the comments about MSNBC and these cable news people makes me so happy that I don't follow cable news. They sound barely one level above getting news from Twitter.

I’ve been saying for a long time that people need to start praying to Jesus ASAP for Sanders to die quick, fast, and preferably TODAY.

Sanders is talking about the problem of Native Americans being in jail. WTF?

Everyone in the room knows someone who was arrested for drug possession? WTF?

What is this pandering? Pete would never make a speech like this.

R322, calm down. It's a [italic]long[/italic] primary process and the non-Bernie Democrats have not yet coalesced behind one Democrat.

What FAS shitkicker did they put in charge of counting in Nevada?

I'm assuming the caucus has been over for a few hours, are we looking at another Iowa?

r317, It was a breakdown of black support in Nevada. Sanders and Biden were one and two respectively, followed by Steyer and then Warren. That was according to a poll that they had displayed as a pie chart on MSNBC.

I think it was a mistake for Bernie to highlight his wife as “the next First Lady of the United States!” She is one of his weakest and most unappealing links. Don’t remind us of her!

Very much so. Something is fucked up.

Very much so. Something is fucked up.

This is dumb.

Is Tom Perez somewhere frozen like a statue?

Glancing at the people standing behind Bernie during his victory speech, I see a few apparent hispanics but no blacks

Tom Steyer spent $11M on TV ads in Nevada. So far he has 1100 votes. Think about that.

Glance to the left.

[quote] It's a long primary process and the non-Bernie Democrats have not yet coalesced behind one Democrat.

Actually, it's not that long. With Super Tuesday just a little over a week away, Bernie may soon rack up enough delegates that no other candidate is able to overtake him. In less than two weeks, it will pretty much be over.

[quote] the non-Bernie Democrats have not yet coalesced behind one Democrat.

They should have already started coalescing. The reason they haven't is because they realize all of the non-Bernie candidates are deeply flawed, which doesn't bode well for party unity and our chances in November.

4.05% reporting. What is the fucking holdup??

Bill and Hillary Clinton's former adviser James Carville says Putin is interfering and 'helping' Bernie get the Democratic nomination because he wants Trump to win the election

Right now, it's about 1:15 Moscow time. This thing is going very well for Vladimir Putin. I promise you,' vouched Carville

The strategist added: 'He's probably staying up watching this right now. How you doing, Vlad?'

The strategist did state that he does not believe 'Sanders wants Putin to help'

But he added that Putin was helping the senator from Vermont to win because he wants 'Donald Trump to win'

Well, Warren is fucked. She was already fucked, to be fair, but even more so now.

Isn't it funny how whatever candidate the establishment doesn't like is getting "helped by Russia"?

Forget about Bernie. Everyone who wasn't completely delusional knew he was going to win. What I want to know is how did Biden get second when he is half senile and came off a miserable finish in New Hampshire.

Bill DeBlasio just scalped Pete lmao!!

[quote]James Carville says Putin is interfering and 'helping' Bernie get the Democratic nomination because he wants Trump to win the election

That's a very serious charge. Did James Carville say how Putin is interfering and 'helping' Bernie get the Democratic nomination? What methods he's using? Some examples that we can see? Is Bernie colluding with Putin?

[quote]It was a breakdown of black support in Nevada. Sanders and Biden were one and two respectively, followed by Steyer and then Warren. That was according to a poll that they had displayed as a pie chart on MSNBC.

Blacks fuck everything up. While racist, the policies that prevented blacks from voting in the past, did have the country’s best interests in mind. Blacks are truly too stupid.

Nice of DeBlasio to lecture given his track record. I’m sure Bernie is thrilled with that endorsement.

So the march toward 1972 continues.

If you don't know or don't remember what happened in 1972, don't worry, because you are about to see a repeat.

Fuck.

[quote]Isn't it funny how whatever candidate the establishment doesn't like is getting "helped by Russia"?

Russia already admitted they are helping the 80 year old Communist.

[quote] Blacks fuck everything up. While racist, the policies that prevented blacks from voting in the past, did have the country’s best interests in mind. Blacks are truly too stupid.

Oh, go fuck yourself...

It's a serious charge, r343, that was widely reported in the media yesterday. Carville is not saying anything new.

344 is a racist.

Shun him gals!

Wow, that is so unprofessional of Bill DeBlasio. What childish behavior. That’s disqualifying behavior of holding any public office.

Pete supporters are in meltdown tonight! We’ve been telling ya’ll for the past year that Mayor Pete wasn’t gonna win over minorities.

Democrats are beyond the point of explaining anything regarding Russians, you just mention "Putin" or "Russians" and that should be enough in itself. 🙄🙄🙄

I don't think it's possible to have a 1972 or 1984, the nation is too divided. I do think Bernie will lose easily though because a variety of factors

What did Pete say that cause BDB do make that tweet?

R342, that was a scalping? The double-digit IQ Twitter crowd -- as usual -- shows they have such low standards when it comes to anything that doesn't involve recycled gifs and memes.

R351 De Blasio is term limited.... I wonder where he will go next. Andrew Cuomo is running for a 4th term in 2022. They hate each other. I wonder if De Blasio wants to be Governor.

Are the rethugs gumming up the phone lines again on purpose as they did in Iowa?

What did Pete? What was this in response to?

Well?

r352 it will be even worse in SC. Meanwhile sanders is GAINING. The faster Pete goes the sooner DL can be less echochamber for him

R342 why did you post that but not explain what Pete did?

Probably, r358.

Cunts.

Well, I’m voting Trump. The economy is good and my stock portfolio and 401k all look good.

my only hope is MAYBE Sanders' result in Nevada could carry over to the Latinos in Arizona and Texas? Maybe he could tap into the base that loved Beto O'Rourke and flip those states

[quote] What is the fucking holdup??

Be patient. It takes time for the caucus workers to tabulate the results.

Bernie is a 40-year Washington insider. He's about as sincere and anti-establishment as Trump.

r360, if Pete goes, Amy will go even sooner.

At what cost?

So the next generation has to pay off all the debt?

Why does R344 have two W&W votes?

r364, the only way that remotely happens is if bernie picks beto to be his VP.

R349 "Trying" to help is what the headline says in the article you posted.

Carville is saying that Putin "is" helping Sanders.

If that's so, I'd like to know how. But there's no information on that.

Why not?

[quote] Sanders is talking about the problem of Native Americans being in jail. WTF? Everyone in the room knows someone who was arrested for drug possession? WTF? What is this pandering? Pete would never make a speech like this.

Yeah, and since Sanders came in so far behind Pete and captured so much less of the minority vote, I guess it's high time he started considering what smug little loser Pete would do. JFC.

r344, because Datalounge allows racists and trump supporters (is there a difference?) to post here.

Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin are the ONLY states that matter.

The black vote DOES NOT MATTER. The Latino vote DOES NOT MATTER. The only thing that matters is getting white middle-class Obama-turned-Trump voters in these 3 states.

Democrats learned NOTHING from 2016, and they deserve another term of Trump.

Pete attacking Bernie tonight looks incredibly desperate.

Even Joy Reid is talking about how Bernie proved his case that he can bring out a large, very diverse coalition of voters.

Mayor Pete might be the second coming of Christ but he IS smug.

I meant r369 not 344 in my post above.

R344 you're obviously a troll but no, it's middle aged and senior xtian hetero white voters who have fucked this country up by putting Trump in power.

[quote]Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin are the ONLY states that matter.

[quote]The black vote DOES NOT MATTER. The Latino vote DOES NOT MATTER. The only thing that matters is getting white middle-class Obama-turned-Trump voters in these 3 states.

[quote]Democrats learned NOTHING from 2016, and they deserve another term of Trump.

Uh, sweetie I know you've never left your coastal bubble before, but these states have black people.

Joy Reid is a gay-hating cunt, who gives a colossal fuck what she says?

Great. So Bernie appears to be the choice of the Democratic voters.

Too bad. He won't be the choice of the country as a whole in the general.

Once again it looks like we Democrats have fucked ourselves.

[quote] What did Pete say that cause BDB do make that tweet?

I think it was Pete’s general insufferable smugness that set him off. And that’s part of why black folks are not impressed either.

And Texas and Arizona would very nice prizes.

R375 Hillary had diversity. And they didn't vote. If we can't get the white vote out in the battleground States we lose.

[quote] the only way that remotely happens is if bernie picks beto to be his VP.

Bernie had better not pick Beto as his VP after Beto's comments on gun control. Can you imagine the Republican ads -- "Bernie and Beto: The socialist who wants to take away your health care and his sidekick who wants to take away your guns!" Bernie needs a running mate who is pragmatic and will appeal to moderates (I'm not sure that he'll actually follow that strategy, but that's what he needs to do.)

[quote] unless Millennials come out en masse and stand behind Sanders.

I'll vote for him if he gets the nomination, but not all millennials are rabid Berniestas. He appears to be more of a favorite amongst the 20somethings still in or fresh out of college, or the ones who have somehow managed to survive into their thirties by barely bobbing above water.

That’s a pity, me and all I know personally prefer her over the others

R386, and they never vote

Don't want Bernie? this is what needs to happen immediately:

2 out of the 3 moderates need to drop out right now. Either Biden and Buttigieg, to help Amy; or Buttigieg and Klobuchar to help Biden; or Klobuchar and Biden to help Buttigieg.

The 3 of them being in the race together right now is splitting the moderate vote too much and allowing Bernie to dominate.

Does this seem familiar? It should. It's the flip side of what happened with the Republicans and Trump in 2016.

And we all know how that turned out.

But it won't happen. All 3 of their ego's would never allow them to make the sacrifice.

A game changer would be for Biden to realize it's not working out and to step down and throw his support to Buttigieg as the younger moderate.

[quote] But it won't happen. All 3 of their ego's would never allow them to make the sacrifice.

Exactly. Anyone in the position to run for public office is going to be a huge egocentric asshole.

Alexandra Rojas is soooo annoying.

People . . . Send in the clowns

Bernie puts Texas in play. 51% with Latinos in a race with 7 other people is momentous. Truly remarkable.

[quote] not all millennials are rabid Berniestas. He appears to be more of a favorite amongst the 20somethings still in or fresh out of college

I know not all states are like Nevada, but the entrance polls in Nevada show Bernie won every age group except 65 and older, who went for Biden.

They are going to rip Bernie limb to limb on Tuesday.

Sorry but I can't see Amy ever being willing to throw her support behind Pete. If she did, I think the insincerity would just be so glaringly obvious that it would not help him at all.

[quote]Even Joy Reid is talking about how Bernie proved his case that he can bring out a large, very diverse coalition of voters.

Yeah. Except he can’t. Joy Reid is incredibly stupid, like most blacks people.

And fail R396. They have nothing to throw at him. He just won by a HUGE margin with an incredibly diverse coalition. We the people have spoken. Besides, no one cares about debates. Warren is currently floundering at 4th right now and her debate performance was incredible.

R391, you’re right. It’s time for Steyer and Klobuchar to get out and likely time for Buttigieg, too; however, there is little reason to do so with an opportunity to have a defining moment on 2/25 and with only ten days to go until Super Tuesday. What I hope is that good sense and selflessness manifests after SC to give the stronger moderates more of a chance. Seriously, if Amy does poorly again in the debate and in South Carolina, she should go.

I never know what to expect with Joy Reid's hair. Tonight is like a semi jheri curl?

r396, they have to; not that it will necessarily do any good, Bernie might be unstoppable at this point.

God we are screwed.

Pete needs to cool it some with the soaring oratory. He's not Obama yet, so the platitudes ring a bit canned and insincere since not everyone has been sold on him yet. I think he could stand to show a bit more genuine fire and a dash more folksiness. I say that as a non Pete supporter, but who would gladly support him if he were the nominee.

Amy is a nonentity. Who is Gillibrand supporting? That's right, you don't know and you don't care. That's Amy in two weeks.

[quote] Sorry but I can't see Amy ever being willing to throw her support behind Pete. If she did, I think the insincerity would just be so glaringly obvious that it would not help him at all.

Amy's only polling at about 6-7% nationally. As of right now in Nevada, she's at about 3%. She could withdraw tomorrow and ask all of her supporters to support Pete, and it wouldn't make much of a difference at all.

let's just try to be positive. The Latino vote is the biggest increasing demographic. If Sanders can win them over in battleground states he can defeat Trump.

Do I want Sanders as the nom? hell no but if he's the one I'll vote for him and I hope everyone else who hates Trump does too

[quote]Uh, sweetie I know you've never left your coastal bubble before, but these states have black people.

Uh, sweetie...I live in Pennsylvania, and I will absolutely vote Trump before that Russian Communist Sanders.

Warren can still turn things around.

I couldn't help but wonder how many phone books Pete was standing on to see over the podium

Champagne corks popping at Rethug HQ.

If the Latino vote means Sanders-like candidates, expect white flight to a more moderate GOP.

Oprah needs to step in and save this shit show.

[quote] Warren can still turn things around.

How? By finishing 3rd or 4th in every state? What state can she actually win?

[quote] expect white flight to a more moderate GOP.

No such thing anymore.

R407 et al. is that old Pennsylvania dyke from 2016.

I really do think misogyny plays a big role in American politics though. Warren is so much more intelligent, well spoken and organized than frenetic Sanders. She did amazingly well in the debate. Last year she caught all the flak for the medicare for all stance. Why didn't Sanders take a hit in the press or with voters? At least she proposed a plan on how to pay. He's just saying ideas out loud without specifics. I like her demeanor. I hope she can have another great night this coming week debate but she's in a tough spot. She's very progressive but more realistic than Sanders so she's not winning a majority of super progressives or moderates. If she were to pull out of the race I think that would only help Sanders. Why would a Warren voter opt for Biden or Buttigieg instead?

If the field were thinner Warren would stand out more. Sanders to the left of her, Biden to the right. That would be her ideal spot to shine.

According to CNN, Pete (and Biden) has spent $0 in Super Tuesday states. WTF?

Warren's recent debate rebound may have come just a bit too late to have moved the needle much in Nevada for her since there was a lot of early voting that occurred prior to the debate. I would suspect that Bloomberg performed better before the debate than he did after.

11% reporting, Bernies numbers fell about 6%

[quote] Pete needs to cool it some with the soaring oratory. He's not Obama yet

He’s trying (and failing) so hard to be Obama, it’s pathetic. He has no game and no charisma. Zero.

The hell, r418???

Are they dropping out?

Pete has moved above Warren

Pete’s in third now.

Biden has had trouble raising money

I think Buttigieg like Klobuchar focused a lot of his early money on super white Iowa and New Hampshire so he's temporarily tapped out

Pete - 13.6 %

Warren - 8.7%

R421, he is a far more adept orator than the rest of the field. Obama? Not yet. But I put him up there with Clinton.

Buttigieg is very intelligent but he's not a passionate speaker so that doesn't appeal as much to younger voters. He sounds very careful and calculated. Sanders just lets loose which makes him seem more authentic to some people

Like 1972 and 1984 we are going to be stuck with a too far left candidate who doesn't have a prayer of winning the general election.

And we NEED to get Trump out of office more than anything else this year.

I still think Pete has enough momentum to warrant his staying in the race for now (and much more so than Biden). That said, I think Super Tuesday will be a decisive day for many of these campaigns.

R407, As a fellow Pennsylvanians, I say you're crazy. Yes, Bernie is a believer from his youth, and won't vote for sanctions against Russia and Putin even now, but he's not despoiling our water, wetlands, air, and national parks; he is not looking to loot Social Security; he wouldn't nominmate ignorant rapists to the Supreme Court; he wouldn't side with despots over NATO; and so on, ad nauseam.

R431 I woldn't pay much attention to R407 that sounds like a troll. No one on DL should seriously consider voting for Trump.

Pete - 13.6 %

Warren - 8.7%

If I understood them earlier tonight, anybody getting less than 15% gets NO delegates from Nevada

R394 All the Latinos in Texas will be deported before that happens. Don’t hold your breath for the black or Latino vote

[quote][R407] et al. is that old Pennsylvania dyke from 2016.

Yeah. The one who told you all there was no support for Hillary on the ground here in 2016.

Predictions - will Pete break 15%?

[quote][R342] why did you post that but not explain what Pete did?

Pete didn’t do anything but exist.

R434 A significant number of Latinos in Texas trace their heritage to before 1840... some as far back as the 1600s.

You tool.

Pete will finish in second and well above 15%

MSNBC's Chris Matthews Compares Bernie Sanders Winning To The Nazis Taking France

R438 What’s your point? The Democrats are going to win Texas get over it.

[quote]If the Latino vote means Sanders-like candidates, expect white flight to a more moderate GOP.

Exactly. As a moderate white voter, there’s no reason for me to support a Party that’s all in for nasty pieces of shit like Sanders as candidates.

439. No. Biden is a strong second.

Are not

When I was growing up, the Democratic Party had white voters, black voters Latino voters. If the Democrats keep ignoring white voters for the non-dependable black and Latino we’re going to keep fucking losing.

[quote] Biden is a strong second.

With 11% reporting?

"Trump never goes after Pete. Because he doesn't matter? I thought Trump was so thin skinned he'd attack anybody who mocked him."

It's very odd and very uncommon for someone who is clearly a racist and a sexist to NOT also be a homophobe, but that is apparently the case with Trump. His attitude seems to be, "Eh, more pussy for me. Let 'em get married." Lesbians don't even register.

[quote] It's very odd and very uncommon for someone who is clearly a racist and a sexist to NOT also be a homophobe,

Talk -- or non-talk in this case -- is cheap. His policies and his party are homophobic.

Teast

R445 The majority of Sanders voters are white. It's a commonplace that the "Hillbilly Elegy" voters in PA, MI and WI that left the democratic party and voted for Trump are "winnable" by Sanders. This "he hates white people" BS won't bear the scrutiny of logic and will, by definition, be shown as a lie as the elections continue.

[quote]When I was growing up, the Democratic Party had white voters, black voters Latino voters. If the Democrats keep ignoring white voters for the non-dependable black and Latino we’re going to keep fucking losing.

The Democratic Party doesn’t just ignore white voters, it actively demonizes them. It’s not shocking that most white people vote Republican. Bernie Sanders guarantees that even more will do so in 2020.

If Bernie is the nominee, the suburbs are back in play for Republicans. Period.

What’s taking so long?

If Bernie is the nominee, he will definitely have to pivot or tack to the center a bit and will have to choose a moderate running mate who can assuage fearful center left voters that things won't go completely off the rails. This may be at the chagrin of hardcore Bernie supporters, but I think he's got more of a cult of personality base that would follow him wherever he leads them.

If Biden were smart which he isn’t he should emphasize that Bernie wanted to primary Obama in 2012

Alternatively Biden and Pete should team up now, with Pete dropping out for the promise of the VP slot, and campaign together as the anti-Sanders and anti-Bloomberg candidates. This might unite the moderates.

I just donated to Pete. It's more important than ever to support him, even if it's with a $3.00 donation.

Bernie pivot to the CENTER???

Bernie pick a MODERATE for VP???

LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!

You really don't know Bernie Sanders do you?

R436 I’d prefer Biden drop out for Pete. Bidens just a pure and simple idiot.

r357 Thank you

Trump will go after Pete if and when he needs to.

The moderates aren’t voting for Sanders, ever. We’re either staying home or voting Trump. So nominate this 80 year old Communist asshole at your own peril. You’ve been warned.

I've been NeverBernie since 2016. Absolutely. But the past two days I've been thinking. Russia is promoting and helping Bernie because they're so sure he'll lose to Trump. What if we vote for him in huge numbers. What if we allow our "strategy" of voting for every single Democrat up and down the ballot, in overwhelming numbers to be realized? Bernie becomes President. Now he will probably be a disaster. Maybe he won't, but the odds are he will. Congress, a Democratic majority in both houses will fight him on his more extreme positions, and he'll veto or reject anything not pure enough. He'll travel all over this country ranting and raving and holding rallies just like Trump. But the bottom line is, even if nothing gets done, it would be better than what would happen in a second term of Trump unleashed with no restraints. And we would have our national security agencies and our Justice Department back in order pretty much. And Ruth Bader GInsburg can retire and we could have someone decent on the bench. In fact we can have two judges. It's not much, but the idea of a 2nd Trump term scares the shit out of me. He is so obviously mentally ill it's criminal negligence for the Senate not to get rid of him.

This is totally shallow, but FFS, I cannot deal with Nicole Wallace's hair! It's SO long, and just hangs in big, rope-y CLUMPS. I wouldn't be surprised to see a tiny pirate climbing up one of her breasts!

R453 = “Are we there, yet”.... “are we there yet”

Can it!

r458, At the end of the day, Bernie is a multi-decade politician. He will pivot if it mean's becoming president. He's no fool.

R454 In his speech tonight, the moments he seemed more like he was talking from his hear, rather than the rhetorical exhortation of protest rally (his default mode), I saw someone who could win the general election. He absolutely needs to figure out how to widen his appeal (not just "pivot to the center"). He just might have that talent. His eventual impact on the American political public sphere might just be transformational. Might not. It's up to him now....

[quote] If Sanders is the nominee, I will write in Hillary and help re-elect Trump. Payback time!

Fortunately there are very few elderly Hillary Stans on this board and they're old enough that some may not survive long enough to vote in November

R454 Bernie isnt moving to the center of anything

I’m a PA voter (philly burbs) and if it’s sanders /trump - the democrats will lose all the Philadelphia suburbs (which Hillary barely won) - and they will also lose PA (again).

I’m voting Trump. No way in hell will I vote for a commie.

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2020 general election head-to-heads among white college-educated women via ABC/Post poll today:

Democrat v. Trump:

Buttigieg +17%

Bloomberg +12%

Klobuchar +11%

Biden +10%

Warren +4%

Sanders +2%

It's fun to bitch about Bernie and how he's guaranteed to lose in November. But let's be honest. Bernie is winning largely because the other candidates are all so weak. If Biden had finished 1st or 2nd in both Iowa and NH, he would already have the nomination locked up. We have a shit show because none of the moderate candidates have risen to the challenge. None of them have sealed the deal. And I'll bet a lot of moderate voters are now saying to themselves, "I never thought I'd support Bernie, but maybe Bernie IS the best choice." Instead of blaming the Bernie Bros for everything, how about blaming the party for its failure to field an acceptable moderate alternative?

Sanders is a “no-go” in the swing states.

[quote] I’m voting Trump. No way in hell will I vote for a commie.

R469 repping the Over 80 DL crowd

"That Whippersnapper Sanders!! He's a commie pinko!!! 23 Skidoo to Him!!"

The Bernie Bros told me it was okay to vote for a 3rd party if I thought that voting for Hillary/ Trump was voting for the lesser of two evils so I will follow their lead.

Warren will take the stage as soon as she's finished taking selfies.

Link, r473?

[quote] I really do think misogyny plays a big role in American politics though.

Hell will freeze over before Americans vote for a woman.

R474 hilarious. I’m one of those “white college educated women” voters that they keep trying to tap.

I’ll be 80 in 40 years

Trump's Red Hats will be the first to beat the crap out of R475

They'll burn his house down too

But he won't care-- he will have avenged the Pantsuit Jesus

Who will have used her millions to flee to Canada or the UK

r471 Jesus we are fucked

[quote] The Democratic Party doesn’t just ignore white voters, it actively demonizes them. It’s not shocking that most white people vote Republican. Bernie Sanders guarantees that even more will do so in 2020.

You are one stupid cunt. You hate blacks, hate Biden, hate Bernie...I don’t accept your premise but you [italic]deserve/[italic] to be demonized.

Is Warren now giving a "smug" speech?

Bernie Sanders: illegal immigrants are "entitled" to the same government benefits as citizens.

This is going to be in republican ads and this will destroy the Democrats up and down ballot.

Warren is embarrassing herself. She’s currently 4th in Nevada.

Warren pulled in 9mil since the debate. She’s still the game.

Don’t sleep on Liz.

Warren just made fun of Bloomberg’s height. He can’t help that. Is Warren like Trump now, making fun of people’s appearances? Isn’t she better than that?

Fucking stupid ass Hillary cunt licking Eldergays

Bernie is winning because he appeals to the same fucking people who elected Trump. People who feel their lives are completely fucked and no one cares.

If they lose their jobs they can't afford COBRA payments and they can't really afford Obamacare either

They want someone to wave a magic wand and make all the pain go away and make it seem like it's 1967 again and a blue collar family with a single worker can do well in America.

The Karens love Pete and they love Liz and lots of their "hubbies" do too

But there aren't enough Karens to carry the election

Remember it's 2020 and the educated upper middle class is maybe 15% to 20% of the population. And black people aren't necessarily going to side with the Chads and Karens because they don't have the same concerns.

The upper middle class tend sto dominate the news media and so we're all surprised when the lower 85% doesn't do what we have decided is in their best interests.

It’s so fascinating to watch Warren dredge up the injustices of her childhood. Which led her to deep insights....and being a Republican.

[quote] Warren pulled in 9mil since the debate. She’s still the game.

Finished 3rd in Iowa.

Finished 4th in NH

Currently 4th in Nevada

Polling 5th in South Carolina

Yeah, she's still in the game ... the game known as LOSING.

Sanders - 47.1

Biden - 23.3%

Buttigieg - 13.4%

Warren - 9.0%

r487, Warren is better than trump any day of the week.

Liz raised a lot of money early and has people on the ground in lots of SuperTuesday states.

Amy has nothing and Pete is somewhere between the two

R492 A dead cat is better than Trump

[quote]The moderates aren’t voting for Sanders, ever. We’re either staying home or voting Trump. So nominate this 80 year old Communist asshole at your own peril. You’ve been warned.

Instead of throwing around words like "Communist" that make you look like an idiot, I suggest you look at Sanders's voting record over the course of several decades in Congress. It's no different from that of any reasonably liberal Democrat.

Plus, in a general campaign, he would absolutely move toward the middle to reach out to moderate voters. He'd have no choice. Why don't you chill out, and wait and see?

I think its safe to say that people don't really care how good Warren is at debating, people find her annoying.

I was going to vote for Warren but have decided to vote for Biden. Something strange about her still not criticizing Bernie.

23% reporting

[quote] Instead of throwing around words like "Communist" that make you look like you're over 80 and still stuck in the 1950s

An alternate explanation ,though idiot is also valid

HRC is ancient history, so I wish that we could stop talking about her. The thought of voting for Bernie in the general makes me feel ill, for many reasons, none of which have anything to do with HRC. I will hold my nose and do it, though, if necessary, if only because of the courts.

That being said, I'm off to donate some more money to Pete. I want him to go as far as he can, even if he doesn't win the nom. I already mailed in my Super Tuesday ballot for him.

[quote] Liz raised a lot of money early and has people on the ground in lots of SuperTuesday states.

Great, that means she'll have a lot of people ready to cheer her as she celebrates her 3rd and 4th place finishes on Super Tuesday.

Is Warren angling for a VP nod from Bernie?

[quote] The thought of voting for Bernie in the general makes me feel ill

MARY!

Pretty much R501

The thought of old gay men voting for Trump because they're still pissed about Hillary and will likely be dead or senile before Trump's out of office makes me ill

Liz trashing Bloomberg again. What does that accomplish? She's no longer a contender. It's desperate and pathetic, and tells so much about her..

Why bring up old lawsuits that were apparently settled satisfactorily by all involved, and trying to re-litigate them onstage?

Does anyone bring up Trump's old lawsuits? The two dozen women he raped? His billion(s)? Never.

Bernie Sanders: is not moving to the center with losing comments like this:

“ illegal immigrants are "entitled" to the same government benefits as citizens.”

This will be a republican ad in Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida, Missouri, Illinois, etc.

So many of of you Marys being henny penny about "Russia wants to help Sanders" seem to have read only the headline. Russia's goal is to sow chaos and doubt into the U.S.'s electoral process -- good job falling for it hook, line, and sinker! The irony of a ghoul like James Carville saying hi to Putin was too damn much.

[quote]Instead of throwing around words like "Communist" that make you look like you're over 80 and still stuck in the 1950s

Uhh, I’m 41, in Pennsylvania, and I’m not ever voting for Russian-backed Sanders.

Warren tried going after Bernie and failed. People knew she was lying and it backfired. She should have told the truth about being more centrist instead of all her social media pandering to the SJW's.

"I grabbed her by the pussy. When you're famous you can do that"

That was an ad the Democrats ran in 2016 R507

She still lost because people thought she was a corrupt entitled cunt.

Enough people hate Trump in 2020 that whoever is running against him is pretty much Teflon so long as they have a pulse

[quote] Uhh, I’m 41 X 2, in Pennsylvania, and I’m not ever voting for Russian-backed Sanders.

Fixed

Liz has a plan to fix health care. A plan to fix the economy. A plan to deal with immigration. Too bad she never came up with a plan to win a single primary state.

[quote] Uhh, I’m 41,X2 (but I look 35.5 X 2) in Pennsylvania, and I’m not ever voting for Russian-backed Sanders.

Liz is another one no one ever bothered to sit her down and say "you're smart, you've got great ideas, you understand complex ideas and you're able to explain them in simple terms, but you're just not CEO material. You get too lost in the weeds for most people. We'll make you Treasury Secretary and you can save the world that way"

How DLEGs view Bernie

Bernie disavowed the overseas trolls and their masters today so I don’t want to hear about the russia stuff relating to him. How about the administration doing all of the foreigners bidding. That is a bigger problem.

R509 we are around the same age. I’m also not voting for Saunders - I’m in bucks

I’ll vote Trump - business is good, and I’m doing well. I don’t want to mess it up by voting for Bernie.

[quote] you Marys being henny penny about "Russia wants to help Sanders" seem to have read only the headline. Russia's goal is to sow chaos and doubt into the U.S.'s electoral process -- good job falling for it hook, line, and sinker!

Shhh. That Russia shtick earns me seven million dollars a year.

Does anyone know if that cute Bronx Jew Harry Enten doing commentary on CNN is gay? He's Neil Sedaka's nephew.

Bernie will win with it without DL’s help, sorry to inform SOME of you.

In other news, even your picks admit Bernie will win. Notsorryboutit!

"If Bernie would have been VP it would have been tougher...I got 20% of Bernie vote because of trade. He's a big trade guy...

Had she picked Bernie Sanders it would have been tougher. He is the only one I didn't want her to pick." - Trump

Who pays the future debt for the current inflated 401ks?

Your kids?

r521 That was 2016, i think it's fair to say Sanders has lost some magic.

Doomberg:

“Bernie would’ve won. He would’ve run away with it but Hillary...”

Try arguing that BOTH your kings, Dump and Doomberg, are wrong.

He’s on video below.

I’m terrified. There is no huge mass of nonvoters who will activate on Election Day for Bernie. It’s fiction.

[quote] expect white flight to a more moderate GOP.

There is no such thing anymore. Trump strangled that to death

[quote] Bernie will win with it without DL’s help, sorry to inform SOME of you.

You're absolutely nuts if you think Bernie can win with only the more left, progressive wing of the party. Either that or I have a bridge to sell you. The moderate DLers are a microcosm of moderate Democrats at large. Instead of taunting them and gloating, the Bernie camp should be trying to figure out how to reach across the Democratic aisle and build a coalition.

Many of the Nevada turnout were new voters!

r525, Yea i think Iowa and New Hampshire proved that Sanders isn't bringing out new voters.

I agree with that

R525 What’s fiction is the lie that Senator Sanders “can’t win” because he is already winning, dear.

And the victories are going to keep coming and be even more decisive in favor of Senator Sanders.

Hold on to your pearls, girls!

R529 How about Nevada, which is more representative of the country as a whole?

The reason Sanders is winning is because he's got a lane virtually to himself, but that's still only about 30% of the total pie. Warren supporters aren't necessarily going to default to Sanders if she drops out. The moderate wing of the party is spread among Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar. If all the other candidates in the race coalesced, Sanders doesn't fare quite as well.

r532 Ohh so he has no pull with white voters, well thats too bad.

R534 Nevada begs to differ. He’s won EVERY AGE GROUP except 65 and older.

[quote] The reason Sanders is winning is because he's got a lane virtually to himself, but that's still only about 30% of the total pie.

As of right now, it's about 47% of the pie in Nevada.

[quote] If all the other candidates in the race coalesced, Sanders doesn't fare quite as well.

Unless they coalesce in the next few days, it's probably too late to catch Sanders. And the reason that voters haven't coalesced around one of the moderates is because they're not particularly impressed by any of them. Biden could have been the consensus moderate, but he failed to impress voters in Iowa or NH.

Who is the magic moderate that you expect everyone will coalesce around?

‘Are You F***ing Kidding?’: Outrage After Nevada Dems Invite Candidate Reps to Act as Precinct Chairs

The precinct workers didn't show up

Ahhhhh, that’s what happened.

r536 It's 34% of the vote. I'm using the metric Bernie promoted in Iowa

Dump tweeted about RuShiA helping Bernie tonight, lol.

He’s in a cold sweat right now. He’s counting on the establishment blocking Bernie, as he’s always bragging about, but it’s slowly dawning on him that they won’t be able to.

Donny Diaper Dump is fwightened.

Let's connect the dots... Bernie Sanders, 1972: "I don't mind if people come up and call me a communist." With all the places there are in the world to honeymoon, he chose... Russia? Sanders spoke glowingly of Fidel Castro and the Sandinistas, and he traveled to Nicaragua.

Anyone know how are gays treated in Russia, Cuba, and Nicaragua?

r540 Get a clue, he's the easiest to beat and why Russia what's him as the nominee

[quote] Sanders spoke glowingly of Fidel Castro and the Sandinistas, and he traveled to Nicaragua.

Link.

R541 Aww. You have to pull out oppo that was already used on him in ‘16 and from 48 years ago. How cute, lol.

[quote] The reason Sanders is winning is because he's got a lane virtually to himself

Huh?

r488 lol Pete supporters are the most civilized group of supporters among the candidates. Karens are not civil.

[quote] Does anyone know if that cute Bronx Jew Harry Enten doing commentary on CNN is gay?

He’s revolting so I hope not.

R546 Not entirely true. Some of Pete’s supporters were caught asking for Nina Turner to be “muzzled”.

You know those PeteBros!

Ben Popken and Shamar Walters 40m ago / 10:16 PM EST Hotline jams responsible for some reporting delays

Multiple Nevada caucus precinct chairs told NBC News that they had to wait anywhere from 20 minutes to 2 hours to phone in their site results due to jammed hotlines Saturday.

“It just beeped the whole time,” said Ashlyne Rose, a 20-year-old nursing student and precinct chair.

Two chairs interviewed by NBC News said that the Nevada Democratic Party had texted them Saturday afternoon to provide the phone number they were supposed to use to report results. But when the time came, several chairs tried repeatedly to get through and were initially unable to do so.

Around 5 p.m. ET, or 2 p.m. local time, the party sent a second text message with three additional phone numbers to call. “Thanks so much for your hard work. If you haven’t reported yet, you can call any of the following numbers to do so,” the message read. “If you don’t reach us right away, we’ll give you a call back to take your results.”

Calling those numbers resulted in being placed on hold for up to 20 minutes for some chairs, but the chairs said they were eventually able to report their results.

During the Iowa caucuses on two weeks ago, results were delayed for hours as an app coding issue and overwhelmed phone lines bogged down reporting. There was no evidence of any issue on a similar magnitude in Nevada and caucus managers said they weren’t overly concerned.

"I wasn’t really worried, I just thought I would call in a bit after calls went through," Rose said.

Gary Reese, a 65-year-old government worker, arrived a precinct in Elko County as an observer and was quickly pressed into service as a precinct chair due to a shortage of volunteers.

"First time I called I got a disconnected tone, like the line is not in service," Reese said.

Eventually he was told to go home and keep trying from there. He never received the secondary list of phone numbers because he was a day-of volunteer and neither the site lead nor the Democratic Party had his information. Around 7:15 p.m. ET, or 4:15 p.m. local time, he was able to submit his results via the original phone number.

Not everyone had to wait, however. Another precinct chair told NBC News they were able to report in results without issue on the original phone number.

Molly Forgey, the Nevada Democratic Party spokesperson, told NBC News in an email that the party had prepared "all along for a high influx of results as caucuses wrap up, and we’re working diligently to accommodate and continue processing the high volume of incoming results from precinct chairs."

Bernie is losing! Half of Nevada rejected him! The Democrats will soon coalesce around Pete, who will sweep the Super Tuesday states!

R550, it's a little bit rich that someone would deign to make fun of eldergays for their age, while at the same time backing the grand-daddy of elders himself.

R551 That sad fact is how out of touch those elders are with not just Sanders, but the majority of America.

[quote] it's a little bit rich that someone would deign to make fun of eldergays for their age, while at the same time backing the grand-daddy of elders himself.

I never implied I was backing Sanders, only that Sanders is clearly the Democratic front-runner, something many DL eldergays absolutely refuse to accept, even when it's staring them right in the face.

Pete creeps up to 14.4%

27.23% reporting

Happy to say I’m completely out of touch with the 45% of Americans who approve of Trump and out of touch with 50% percent of Democrats are celebrating an 80 y.o cardiac patient who is a Socialist demagogue as their nominee. Clearly not my America anymore and not one I want to be a part of.

HISSSSSSSSS

R556 That’s clearly you’re problem in more ways than one, toots.

*your

R552, it's a little bit sadder when there are people my age who are creeping towards middle age and they have not yet developed the skills of observation to see through a Do-Nothing from congress who promises to fix their broke, broken lives.

R560 I think you are speaking on behalf of the broke and broken - morally and otherwise, dear.

Not my problem. Americans chose and are choosing their path. They’ll have to live with it.

R561, does the truth hurt?

BS is an ideologue, not a demagogue, R556.

He is full of the other kind of BS, however.

Can you believe CNN cut away to their regular crappy programming which is extremely low-budget documentaries that look like they were produced in a high school.

CNN has been irrelevant for two decades.

R563 Not at all.

Let’s see,

-Bernie is winning.

-You consider yourself part of the morally and otherwise broke and broke minority.

I’m bathed in relief, actually.

the supposed "40 year old from Pennsylvania" who states it will vote for Trump if Sanders is the nominee is either a troll or just a real piece of shit. If Trump gets reelected you can look forward to the economy eventually crashing. The tax scam bill only provided a temporary boost

Why is Ol' Joe so awful in debates, but rather engaging in smaller crowds?

Bernie Sanders tonight: "We are going to win across the country because the American people are sick and tired of a president who lies all the time. They are sick and tired of a corrupt administration. They are sick and tired of a president who is undermining democracy."

This is a good message that unites all Democrats and would work well in the general election. Are you people like R556 going to say that because he's a socialist (whatever you think that means - I don't think you know), this message is meaningless and you'll vote for Trump instead?

The Sanders win was emphatic: he prevailed among those with college degrees and those without; in union, and nonunion households; in every age group except over 65. He won more than half of Hispanics, and even narrowly carried moderates and conservatives:

These IDIOT trump supporters won’t be laughing so much when he finishes FLEECING them next term.

Haven’t they ever heard of Atlantic City?

Hopefully the Midwest and South will be more moderate and stop Bernie.

[quote] Dump tweeted about RuShiA helping Bernie tonight, lol. He’s in a cold sweat right now. He’s counting on the establishment blocking Bernie,

What color is the sky in your world? That is not why Trump says things like that. He wants Sanders to win because he thinks Sanders will be the easiest candidate to beat. That's why he is more than happy Russia is helping Sanders win. It has nothing to do with "establishment" or whatever other made up excuse you would like to believe in your world. Step out of the Bernie Bro bubble.

R573, read R571 again: Sanders "EVEN NARROWLY CARRIED MODERATES AND CONSERVATIVES" in Nevada.

Maybe that's because they saw him and heard him in person and realized he's not the boogeyman that some people think he is.

R570 He needs to learn to deliver that message without pointing his finger and yelling like he is accusing everyone of something. His whole mode of speaking is very "Get off my lawn, you lousy whippersnappers!"

r570 It's a very good message. But it comes only hours after Bernie tweeted a shitty attack at the Democratic party...the party he uses every four years when he needs something. Quit attacking those of us who have worked ourselves silly for years to get Democrats elected. That's the kind of shit that makes me absolutely despise that old fucker.

And Nina Turner. JFC. If I have to listen to that hateful bitch for one more second I'll lose it.

I don’t think anyone believes that Bernie lies less than other politicians, that his administration would be any less corrupt than others. Obviously less corrupt than Trump’s but likely more corrupt than Obama’s. As for undermining democracy, that is not a sin that can be pinned on Trump. That’s a GOP problem and they are still going to have governorships, state houses and there’s very little Bernie will be able to do but yell at the clouds some more.

Bernie is going to hand this election to Trump with that tweet. He is not a Democrat but running on their platform then throwing shade at them for being Democrats. Trust me, a lot of Dems are just going to sit out the election because of that. The are not suddenly going to be inspired by an old man throwing insults at them in their own house.

OK, Speculative Susie. We get it.

You mean the house that will be in firm control of Trump, since they’ll sit out a critical election? It’s always very wise to cut off your nose to spite your face.

Should Danders win the nom, maybe those Democrats should ask themselves why they are bleeding so much of their base (in their eyes) to an independent? Or, maybe it’s time for a third party?

^^Sanders

Still stalled at 27%

If Peter, Biden, Amy and Warren all get more than 50% of tonight's vote, as it appears they will - that trumps Bernie's 45-46%. Won't this lead to a brokered convention this summer?

Fuck Sanders. Will never get my vote.

43% and Pete is back up over 15% which is the important number for the state delegates.

Will Pete overtake Biden for second?

Could Pete come in second?

Biden - 1,415

Pete - 1,035

News stories are showing a totality of maybe 40k votes in this primary. Is that how many democratic voters actually live in NV? Where are all of the voters? I would think low turnout would greatly skew the results.

Ignore all the media hype. Bernie is "winning" with less than 40% of the vote, and in many cases less than 30%, and some of that is crossover votes by Republicans who are trying to fuck with our primaries. So there's no way Bernie is a winner in November. Capish? We need to decide who we should get behind. I'm not sure Bloomberg is the one.I'd rather it be Elizabeth or Joe. But if it's Bloomberg, fine. Once we get past Super Tuesday, a lot will change. It'll be down to Bernie Mike and possibly Pete. I don't see Elizabeth, Biden or Amy surviving Super Tuesdxay.

I am off for a broker convention if it prevents Bernie from capturing the nomination. He’s a self-righteous prick.

[quote] News stories are showing a totality of maybe 40k votes in this primary.

2016 had 84,000 dem voters

2008 had 118,000

Right now, Politico is showing a total of 46,758 votes with 43% of precincts reporting

Biden is at 9316

Pete is at 8453

Trouble with a brokered convention that denies Bernie, is that his supporters will go apeshit. He's already talking about changing the rules so he can win.

Biden - 19.2%

Pete - 15.4%

Pete has pulled ahead of Biden in the popular vote - 10,046 to 9921, but is still down on the delegate percentage, per R596.

49.88% reporting

R595– His supporters are going to go apeshit even if somehow someone else won more delegates. We know this from 2016. We will need to do what we need to prevent annihilation at all levels

R595 I don’t care if the Bernie supporters go apeshit. We can’t let Bernie destroy the Democratic Party.

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