Trump is Done. Turn Oven to Off.

This morning I read that his legal defense is, “So what?” and the Republicans in Congress are quickly signing on.

That’s the only defense that could work.

From your lips, Della, to ....

I predict he won't be on the ballot

Now you’ve jinxed it, you stupid cunt.

I think the Republican Senators will surprise everyone and vote him out. Then the real fun will begin.

It is our patriotic duty to send him cheesecakes, triple fudge cakes, and other high fat, high sugar foods. The key is that they must be heart unhealthy.

OK, I know any food sent to him would be intercepted before even getting to the Whitehouse, but a boy can dream.

The Republican Senate won't vote him out. Never, never happen.

Trump could lose in November but not to any of the Democrats running right now. Unfortunately.

Getting reelected to a second term didn't do much for Nixon's presidential career because he was still the same fucking crook he was in his first term.

From the site that predicted that Hillary Clinton would win in a landslide?

National polls are irrelevant - it is the electoral college that matters. So the polling should be done from swing states to see how much support Trump has and how much he needs to win.

r3, I thought of that, too.

Who doesn't think that if Trump believes he's a "LOSER" he's going to eagerly drop out, leaving the Repugs holding the bag and scrambling for a candidate, even if it's after the RNC in July.

Going down swinging is an act that takes guts, integrity and honor, 3 attributes absent from Trump.

He'll drop out with nonsense like, "I've gotten more done in 4 years than any other US President has in 8, including FDR's 12. I don't, therefore, see the need to ask for re-election."

Jesus can’t beat Trump at this point.

Forgot to add, Trump won't lose for reasons that he should, those being he's an ignorant, bigoted, moronic, self-dealing Looter of the US Treasury, incompetent, gelatinous gasbag who had no business being within 100 miles of the Oval Office.

Nope, the truth is he'll lose because Americans want to turn the channel, exhausted, bored and yes, a bit, but only a little bit, ashamed of the wanna-be Mussolini.

Only I believe it's not his option to get out, R11. He's more of a puppet than many realize. There's a reason the revolving door was installed for corporate beggars these last 3 years and the guest book removed.

Nope, R13.

Mussolini was a leftist, through and through.

And Pelosi is from the same tribe as him.

Ain't happening. Trump will survive the impeachment trial and come out smelling like a rose. Then, he'll handily defeat whatever sorry ass candidate the Democrats dish up to him, both in the popular vote and the electoral college and serve for 4 more years.

Then, in 2024, DJT Jr. will run and serve two terms.

Dmitri, checking in at r16.

If gas is under $3 a gallon, unemployment under 5%, the inflation rate under 3%, and if anybody but Biden is his opponent, he will almost certainly win.

Xenophobe R18 is xenophobic.

[quote] If gas is under $3 a gallon, unemployment under 5%, the inflation rate under 3%, and if anybody but Biden is his opponent, he will almost certainly win.

Biden is a narc and a tr-nscult enabler. He is worse than a Republican.

[QUOTE] I predict he won't be on the ballot

How deep do we have to get into campaign season before people like you give up this canard?

What R17 said is what will happen.

Except for second paragraph.

I want what you’re smoking R17.

Putin's asset isn't as effective as Putin hoped, because Pelosi and the House cock block both of them. Putin will have more to gain from the chaos it creates when he dumps Trump and leaks all of the GOP's secrets. It's clear that his other asset, Bernie Sanders, is a popular option it would look less obvious if Sanders gets the nomination and gets elected. And then have the US citizens chin on the floor when Sanders is even more pro Putin than Trump.

The real problem is the hordes of Americans who want Trump exactly as he is - the trash TV prez.

That and the morons on the left who refuse to line up behind the nominee to stop him. Say what you will, but the right is more united than the left ever is. There are too many precious little idealists on the left who will vote for their Jills, Petes, or whomever is their single-issue candidate, or just won't vote at all because that candidate dropped out.

PS: Anyone who thinks the Senate will remove Trump from office is a straight up moron.

R17 = Donald Trump Jr.

It makes sense that his legal defense is “So what?”. His idiotic supporters have been saying that all along. Republicans who don’t want to alienate the Trump supporters back home, won’t turn.

R26 is absolutely correct in saying the right is more united than the left. If we don’t come together to support the Democratic candidate come November, Trump wins.

The Russia-bashing from the so-called Left is ludicrous when they were the ones saying we should play nice with the Russians … while they were still a Communist country!

It is ludicrous to see them try and foment a neo-Red Scare against a country that rejected Communism.

Hillary couldn't even win her own demographic.

I hate him with everything in me but with Putin's help, I think he might win. Sometimes evil prevails and it fucks up the lives of millions.

The right is more united, because the Dems don't fuck with the Right Wing the same way the Right Wing does. Divide & Conquer is a right wing strategy to cause infighting between liberal minded groups.

Us Liberals should exploit the "there's no honor amongst thieves" and fuck with the right wings' scams more so they turn on each other over what the love most: Money and power. Just look at the Dynasty style bitch fights at the NRA. More, MUCH more of that, please.

He obstructed justice in a thousand different ways, how could that not be breaking the law? He is filth and I would like to see magotts eating him.

Yup. Time to cancel this show.

[quote] I hate him with everything in me but with Putin's help, I think he might win. Sometimes evil prevails and it fucks up the lives of millions.

That would be a very short-lived victory for Trump, because everybody will know it's because of Putin. No right wing narrative will succeed to drone out the mainstream's opinion that Putin hacked the votes again. And this time it will not be mocked or dismissed as tinhat conspiracy theory as it was in 2016 right after the election. And if Trump can't be voted out of the White House (because Putin and the GOP cheated), civil unrest is the only other option, because there's no way the US and the rest of the world is willing to put up with Putin's asset for another four years as POTUS.

IF Trump is reelected, and IF the Republicans get control of both houses of Congress, and IF he doesn't succumb to advanced dementia or a complete nervous or physical breakdown that render him unable to fake being a functioning president, he will be able to continue using the White House as his personal assisted living for another four years. But that's a lot of ifs.

The only way Trump will be defeated is if the people who oppose him all get together and vote for his opponent. No, we anti-Trumpers will not get everything we want in a candidate. But not voting, or voting for a third-party candidate, because "your person" didn't get the nomination pretty much assures Trump gets a second term.

I do agree with the troll who posted that we need to look at polls in swing states — that is truly where all of our money, time, and energy must go. Donate to Dems in those states *heavily*.

Right now, Dems appear divided, but that’s only because we still have too many candidates. Dem voters will fall in line.

I think it’s too soon to tell if he’s out yet Della. I’m watching to see how this trial goes. I’m still a little confused as to why Pelosi turned over the Articles, but I have tremendous faith in her. Pelosi is always ten steps ahead.

Della, I pray to God you’re right, because I cannot fathom what election night will feel like if he wins again. The first time he won was one of the worst nights of my life. If he wins again? I won’t be the same person.

But the Rethugs underestimate how pissed off people are, I’m not about to just roll over if he wins, and millions of other Americans won’t either. I think we will know if our OP is right after New Hampshire. By then, there will be enough movement in the trial to make more predictions.

Tell it to the Bernie Bros, R37. Most people will vote for anybody else, as long as it’s not Bernie, even if they don’t like them.

Somebody needs to do a survey about who these Bernie Bros are. I bet a large portion of them are either Republicans or some kind of Independent that’s never voted Democrat and never will.

So many people said this in 2016 though. Don't get too comfortable. Deplorables remain mostly devoted to him.

If I were running, I wouldn't bother with the impeachment. I'd be citing his abandonement of the Kurds, his alienation of our allies so clearly demonstrated during his little bit of fun with Iran, his identification with white supremacy, his ongoing misuse of government funds for golfing, his mucking up of various trade deals, his selling-out of American farmers, his grifting with security for his family, selling out of the lower classes to enrich his friends, his overly friendly relationship with Russian thugs, his 20+ close allies in jail for criminal activity.....the list goes on.

Just detailing how much we'd all save in taxpayer dollars with him gone would and should be enough.

I believe most Bernie bros on social media were Russian trolls. Maybe, like, 10% of them were idiots who fell for it and joined that troll movement.

Don't let social media trolling influence your own thinking and actions. Support the Dem nomination on a borderline unconditionally level.

^^^ This. Fall in line.

I'm so tired of the Berniebro schtick. Almost as tired of that as I am of the Trumptard moniker.

If we progress anywhere, I hope it's in a direction that precludes name-calling and disparagment. Blaming one group of people for something as horrible as this administration is too easy.

I’ll support anyone but Bernie, but that guy’s had Russian ties going back to the 1980s, and he calls himself a socialist, but he’s an enthusiast of the Russian form of socialism, the top-down kind that’s forced on people, not services established by cooperation and Democratic votes.

After Trump, no way am I voting for someone that’s pro-Russian. Just no. Putin would be laughing and rubbing his hands together in glee.

Trump vs. Sanders would be Putin's biggest victory, because they are both his assets. He would win either way.

OP want everyone to relax and don't bother voting. 🇷🇺

I used to think he was going to be reelected, but now I don’t.

[quote]Trump is Done. Turn Oven to Off.

Couldn't we try "broil" for a couple months?

How about broast, r49?

[quote] If gas is under $3 a gallon, unemployment under 5%, the inflation rate under 3%, and if anybody but Biden is his opponent, he will almost certainly win.

Gas is almost $4. Which means it’s gone up almost $1 since he’s been in office.

r47, I’ve been here for years and years. I can attest that you are mistaken.

Anybody but Bernie. There’s still people in the race that may rise higher, like the two billionaires with unlimited funds for commercials, Bloomberg and Steyer. Neither is my choice, but Bloomberg has been quietly rising, and there’s months to go, so who knows. Bloomberg seems to be attracting people that you would think would be suspicious of him. Anything’s possible are this point.

I saw a Bernie Bro on twitter today haranguing anyone who would listen about how “you have to vote for the nominee” (Bernie, he meant). Out here in reality land, not a single vote has been cast. Is that guy going to vote for Biden if he’s the nominee? Of course not.

The insistence by Bernie Bros that people should be forced against their will to vote for a scam artist, is as un-Democratic as you can get. Let us have the actual primary first. Don’t tell me we’re not allowed to even think about it or have an election. That’s just Putin-esque.

[quote] Gas is almost $4. Which means it’s gone up almost $1 since he’s been in office.

Thanks, Obama!

[quote] Trump could lose in November but not to any of the Democrats running right now. Unfortunately.

Is that because most American adults are apathetic and ignorant, or is it because most American adults could lose to a demented, unhinged, corpulent narcissistic sociopath in physical and intelligence tests?

I use 'most' as 40+% of US citizens eligible to vote in 2016 did not cast ballots. About 25.2% of the US citizens cast votes for Trump. 40+ plus 25.2% approximates nearly two-thirds of US adult citizens, and that by Congress rules is practically a supermajority.

He's a sure bet to win another term. I can't even begin to imagine the ads that will run against the Democrats. The truly awful part will be the morning after the first debate after Trump turns it into a circus act with the Democrat as the dancing bear.

It is going to be brutal, insane, off the hook, all hands on deck and no holds barred for the republic party. The Democrats will respond with fuzzy feel good ads that were taken from the 1980's.

The Democrats have no individual now on deck that will be basic with the American people about this toxic insane clown. That's what they want to hear.

So look for a 2020 Trump win. We are so fucked.

Well, gas is under $2.50 gallon here. And the Eastern Shore and Western Foothills will go for Trump, even if the rest of state votes Dem.

[quote] The Democrats have no individual now on deck that will be basic with the American people about this toxic insane clown. That's what they want to hear.

I cannot shake the idea from my mind that worthy Democratic candidates dropped out before now due to lack of funding. The status quo is unsustainable and alarming, and the billionaires, 'spoiler/stealth agent' candidates, and corporate teat-suckers are all for the status quo and worse. I'm open to seeing evidence and citations that this idea is undemonstrable and wholly fabricated, but it has to be evidence, not vain imaginings or identity politics biases.

R21 he might be but he will still put liberals on the court.

[quote] If gas is under $3 a gallon, unemployment under 5%, the inflation rate under 3%, and if anybody but Biden is his opponent, he will almost certainly win.

Those metrics don't apply anymore. We are in the Reality TV political age. If he is re-elected it will not be because he has done anything good. It will be because 60% of Americans receive news as if it were scripted "reality" television.

I think so, too, I just keep saying God is on our side (and I'm Agnostic).

Strategically, it's all about Arizona, Wisconsin, and Florida. Tens of thousands of white seniors (his base) have passed away since 2016 and have been replaced by new voters who overwhelmingly reject him - roughly 66 percent; his approval rating in AZ, WI, and FL is-3, -10, and 0. There is a $15 per hour minimum wage proposition on the ballot in FL, tons of low-income hospitality and service industry workers will be voting this time.

But Trump has a couple of secret weapons to win.......

Della, I think you're wrong about him deciding to step down. I think those rallies have gone to his head; he's very much enjoying the power now and I doubt he wants to give it up. He's in such a bubble that he can always convince himself he can win.

If he runs again and wins, he could and should be impeached again. With a Democratic Senate, he could be ousted.

[quote] Gas is almost $4. Which means it’s gone up almost $1 since he’s been in office.

Where? Hawaii?

The AAA says the national average as of right now is $2.54.

You guys still don't get it. You think we're running against the mutiple foibles and sins of TRUMP and that isn't it at all- the truth is - God help us- in the next Election we're seeking to take back the U.S. from 30% of the electorate that has become even MORE Craven, Despicable, Racist, and YES, DEPLORABLE THAN TRUMP.

Everyone here is listing Trump's " Impeachable offenses- the Right doesn't care. His betrayal of the Kurds- CHECK- They don't give a shit. Alienated our Allies? Ditto. Turned back the clock on Civil Rights, Enviromental Protections, and Blatantly abused the Enoluments Clause, They're practically jumping for joy! No, none of these are or will be factors to turn around his base or indeed many Independents of whom many are staunchly Libertarian and are motivated by other factors ($$) Democrats are acting as if we can campaign in a NORMAL voting enviroment and I simply do not believe this is the case.

It has to HURT THEM WHERE THEY LIVE. The stock market has to plunge. The deal with China must prove a no-go. Farmers must feel MORE PAIN. SOON Both financial and Enviromental. And all those Red- State Trailer Park MAGAS must have their Welfare/ SS/ Medicare stripped away till they're begging at food banks. And oh yes, Food prices, once reliant on all the slave labor of migrants now kicked out of the country, have to go through the roof.

And unfortunately, I think it's going to take another term of Donnie's hellish litany to do it.

[quote]If gas is under $3 a gallon, unemployment under 5%, the inflation rate under 3%, and if anybody but Biden is his opponent, he will almost certainly win.

Even if Biden is his opponent, he most certainly will win. Have you seen Biden's speeches lately? The man is not all there. In the debates against Trump, he's likely to launch into a story about Corn Pop or challenge Trump to a push up contest. Biden is not the correct choice.

It's happening now, R66. And after viewing the stats regarding the voting practices of so-called Bernie bros and former Obama voters, I believe we can win this.

WE MUST.

If Trump wins again stick a fork in this country. We won’t come back from this, the precedents will have been fully set.

If we take back the senate the country has a chance even if the turd wins I think r69.

He is cruel and ignorant...if he wins again, we are over.

That's right, henny. Bust out the Febreeze cuz diss bitch be goin' STRAIGHT DOWN THE SHITTER!

The Senate is out of reach in 2020 for Dems.

That’s what I’ve heard, R73. I guess anything’s possible, but it’s pretty unlikely. A lot of Democratic seats come up this year and far fewer Republican ones, if I recall correctly.

The Bernie Bros named themselves.

Those are outright lies, r73 & r74 talking to himself.

7 out of 10 of the most vulnerable senators in 2020 are REPUBLICANS, asswipe. Democrats only need to pick up 3 or 4 senators to control the Senate, depending on if Democrats win the White House.

And these 7 Republican senate seats are going STRAIGHT DOWN THE SHITTER:

1. Cory Garnder, CO.

2. Martha McSally, AZ.

3. Thom Thillis, N.C.

4. Susan "Kavanaugh Coddler" Collins, ME.

5. Joni Ernst, IA.

6. David Perdue, GA.

7. Georgia's open Senate seat.

NICE TRY, BORIS.

You can always tell the Republican trolls because they just make up facts and expect you to believe them, rather than linking to proof from objective, real journalists like those at [italic]Roll Call[/italic].

The best they can muster is some Fake News Facebook page from a catfish just fabricating.

R61, if you think low-income employees in FL (who will probably come out to vote for the $15 min. wage) are going to vote for a Democrat, you better think again. Those are some of the most repulsive deplorables and racists in FL.

Only if the black and Puerto Rican low wage earners vote Democratic (and some Puerto Ricans are actually Republican because they're "pro-life") can you count on the minimum wage amendment giving the Dems a boost.

BTW, my mouthy sister is a "Bernie Bro." I think she did vote for Hillary the last time, and if a woman gets the nom, she might still vote Democratic, but she most assuredly will not vote for Biden.

[quote]we're seeking to take back the U.S. from 30% of the electorate that has become even MORE Craven, Despicable, Racist, and YES, DEPLORABLE THAN TRUMP.

70% vs. 30% shouldn't really be a problem. (Yes, I'm aware of the electoral college.)

All right, person who had too much coffee at R76. Calm down.

Here’s an article about it.

The most vulnerable Democrat is Doug Jones, who barely won and only because he ran against a child predator, Roy Moore. Several candidates are running against him, including Roy Moore. So it depends on how that works out. It’s a very red state, so unless all the Republicans cancel each other out somehow, he will likely lose. That was just a freak election last time.

[quote] 70% vs. 30% shouldn't really be a problem

Far more people on social media would rather kvetch about Trump, the Senate, and the 30% getting their way than of their exploits helping the 40% who didn't vote in 2016 register or figure out why voting in 2020 matters. What kind of imaginary math logic has Americans thinking "I'll sit out this election, I'm sure all the Americans who have opposing ideologies will sit out as a match for people like me, and all the Supreme Court Judicial appointments will be fair and sound."

Go back and read the article, person who had too much bullshit from the Conservative Bubble at r80.

7 REPUBLICANS ON LIFE SUPPORT IS MORE THAN 1 DEMOCRAT. Democrats still win the Senate! Republicans are in the weakest position here, with the most chances of losing.

And I'm not even including [italic]Roll Call's[/italic] John Cornyn, because that is a pipe dream.

We already caught you making facts up @ r73 and r74, so don't even pretend you know or care about the current political reality.

Sadly he gonna get re-elected bc Trump is a part of you all Merica. He is your dark side. The dark side that you want to deny: Racism. Russian interfering can't explain everything. The best example is that he didnt lose the Mid-Term. America was built, structured on racism from the start. You all live on land stolen from the natives Americans, built on slavery and even the KKK still exists in 2020. America invented capitalism which it imposes on the whole planet, and destroys it. Trump embodies racism, capitalism and American imperialism. He knows it and plays it perfectly. He will be re-elected and you all know it very well. If the Americans were really dissatisfied they would all be on the streets, massively.

I seem to recall a 'Trump's Collapse Is Complete' thread in 2016.

How did that turn out again...?

R73/ r74 needs to be zapped to oblivion

R73 and R74 isn’t the same person. Cut back on the meth, Jesus Christ.

I seem to recall numerous "expert" commentators on MSNBC predicting Trump wouldn't last 30, 60 or 90 days, 6 months, 1 year, 2 years in office, and yet there he is.

How'd that turn out again?

The problem with some of these seats is while you would think the Republican would be thrown out of there, tribalism makes it a lot more difficult. I’d like to see Mike Kelly win, but Arizona is still pretty red. I have no idea how Gabby Giffords got in there to begin with, and as you may have observed, she was shot in the head. So that’s pretty red. The tide is turning slowly, but will it be in time for the election? I don’t know.

Trump will be stumping every day, telling his followers that they have to vote and save him from being removed. So that’s a big reason for die-hard Republicans to vote. And they’re all voting across the board for Trump and then downticket.

Biden said today that if Warren or Sanders were the nominee, people in South Carolina might not go out and vote at all, which would cause downticket candidates to lose. It takes high turnout to flip those lesser seats, and I really think Trump is going to make this into an all-out, save me, they’re coming to take me away haha, type of campaign. Republicans will show up. He’s fighting not to spend the rest of his life in jail, or at least be removed. They’re not going to sit down and take it.

I think Biden has a point. A lot of this campaign is more strategy than hearts and minds. Who will flip the most Senate seats. So if you’re looking at the South and other conservative areas that way, a middle of the road candidate might appeal to a broader range of states. There’s really two goals here, get rid of McConnell (MORE important) and get rid of Trump. If McConnell is gone, Trump can always be removed. He commits new crimes every day. If McConnell is there, stalemate. So the real question is, who is the compromise candidate that the most people can live with?

If he doesn't get thrown out of office by this impeachment, the Dems need to dig deeper. Don't give up.

America did NOT invent capitalism, lying shitstain @ r83.

I hope that EVERY poster on this thread is taking every opportunity to interact with workers in their daily life. Go inside the gas station, make quick chit chat — tell the cashier you hope he votes this fall. Tell the cashier at the grocery store. Tell the waiter. Tell the dry cleaner. “I’m an activist working to get voters to turn out this fall. If you haven’t thought about voting yet, I hope you’ll vote for the party that wants you to be paid more per hour, wants you to keep your healthcare, wants youro have good schools, wants you to get social security. Vote blue — please really think about it, this next election is going to make things worse for all of us if he wins again.”

And ask them questions. Listen. You build trust with people by showing up for their lives. Show them you’re interested in their personal life by seeing them regularly and asking how they’re doing. If we all continue to do this, we can win. And if you don’t need to convert/convince that person to vote blue, tell them how important it is that they spread the word with their family and friends too.

We CAN win if we have a smart and aggressive ground game. Don’t stop.

It's too bad Trump has lost the independent voters and much of his own base, r88.

With impeachment proceedings and daily news of new crimes committed by Trump coming out, plus trade wars costing Trump's own base their jobs, plus ballistic, unstable warmongering coming from another Republican president who campaigned against nation-building and Trump's inability to get anything done except tax cuts for the rich, even his own, precious wall, when his party had complete power, Trump is a known commodity now. He has alienated millions of his own voters who will not turn out now.

They can see Trump for what he is now, not what he promises. And it's a criminal, treasonous mess.

[quote] This morning I read that his legal defense is, “So what?”

I was expecting “I know you are, but what am I?”

R90 you are obviously uneducated

Check out the obvious troll at R83 claiming he didn't 'lose' the midterm.

So, either it's something that crawled out of the Atlantic after fleeing Brexit, or something else from another dictatorship floating around looking to create anguish.

We got Nancy, bitch, and will be coming down on the right side of history, no matter what happens.

R92 assumes 40+ percent of the electorate vote in their own economic self-interests. And they would have an ephiphany and see Trump as antithetical to them.

Well, as long as Trump hates what they hate, and hates who they hate, they will vote for him. In droves. Doesn't matter if they lost their jobs, their kid got killed in Iraq, or they lost the farm. They will still vote for him.

I know several moderate Republicans who did not vote in the last presidential election because they hated Hillary and they couldn't stand Trump. They now are interested in voting to get Trump out, but would like the Democrats to put up a decent candidate. Decent does not include Bernie or Warren.

R56 Bloomberg is the only Democrat who can really stand up to Trump (and beat him verbally down) because he is everything Donny wants to be: smart, rich (a real billionaire!) and capable. Bloomberg's commercials point out Trump's faults very well, but why we're seeing them here in NYC (where no one but the mob voted for Trump) is way beyond me. They need to run in those swing states (and they may be, for all I know). Bloomberg has his own problems, but I think they are fewer than some of the other major candidates (including the 2 the NY Times just endorsed).

[quote] R74: That’s what I’ve heard, [R73]. I guess anything’s possible, but it’s pretty unlikely. A lot of Democratic seats come up this year and far fewer Republican ones, if I recall correctly.

There are a lot of Republicans predicted to lose their seats, and only one Democrat. I think the Dems take the senate.

Trump is Very far behind in Ohio, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Michigan, at least.

Are there any states that went for Hillary that are predicted to go for Trump this time? I can’t imagine any.

What R19 said. What ultimately hurt the Repubs when Obama won was the fact that the economy was struggling. The bubble burst, and people blamed Reganomics. So if the economy holds and people don't start losing jobs and houses at an accelerated rate, then trump will win. Unfortunately. It would be nice if people actually learned from past experiences.

R95

The idea Trump needs the aid of Russian bots to win an election is so myopic it's not even funny.

Maybe is about time you take a look around America and realize Trump represents this country more than you'd like to admit. It's sad, but it's also true. Unless he's impeached, which I think won't happen, he will be reelected easily.

You are sad, R101, R102, and clearly unable to comprehend what and how this fool has already been impeached. Sit down and have another pyms.

R102 Exactly what i'm trying to say. Thank you! Maybe some honest people will read us and WAKING the f up!

There will be a lot of weeping and gnashing of teeth at R95/R102's house come November 4th of this year.

[quote] It has to HURT THEM WHERE THEY LIVE. The stock market has to plunge. The deal with China must prove a no-go. Farmers must feel MORE PAIN. SOON Both financial and Enviromental. And all those Red- State Trailer Park MAGAS must have their Welfare/ SS/ Medicare stripped away till they're begging at food banks. And oh yes, Food prices, once reliant on all the slave labor of migrants now kicked out of the country, have to go through the roof.

I'm not sure that would change their minds either. They would insist that, as bad as things are, they would have been much worse if Hillary were president and will be much worse if a Democrat is elected in 2020. A lot of people aren't voting with their wallet. They're voting out of fear and hate.

Trolls are pathetic these days. Blighty must've emptied the asylums.

People who vote Republican are followers. They don’t want to think for themselves. They want to have the Dear Leader tell them how to vote/act/believe. People who vote Democratic tend to be independent thinking individuals. We aren’t as powerful as the right wing swarm unless we learn to work together. If there is anytime in history that us Democrats need to act as one, it is this November. We must send Tangerine Tyrant out on his fat ass. I do fear what wild ass shit that fucker will pull as a lame duck president. But that’s another thread.

Time for the Flit, r107.

This isn't only an American ordeal. Europe has been taken over by the far right and neonazis, maybe, just maybe one should consider these countries were never truly this beacon of progressiveness you thought, but had the luck to produce a progressive elite powerful enough to enable change. Now they're not as powerful, unfortunately.

I'd say the same thing for Latin America and even Asia.

Calling someone a troll just because we dare to have an opinion on what we're witnessing before our eyes is childish. Your wishful thinking won't change reality.

The world is regressing politically and the progressive elites that once were sought after don't hold the same power. Stupidity won. You can ignore it all you want.

How about we just ignore you, R110, and be done with it?

Sure, ignore a different opinion the same way you ignore reality and the taken over of the far right around the world. It will disappear if you do that. 🙄

Thanks, triggered one, but I'm fine ignoring you, your twisted facts and your empty opinions.

[quote]Jesus can’t beat Trump at this point.

Because Trump is our Savior!

Bloomberg's ads are all over Texas tv stations.

Ha ha, I'd LOVE to see Trump get reelected, only to face a solid majority Democratic House and Senate. He'd be out on his ASS.

I would vote for my dog before I vote for Trump. She ain't that smart. But my fear is he's winning.

R117, stop being fearful and hug your dog. This clown isn't winning anything but more hate and derision. Do you really believe he wants the support of people he actually despises? He grins like a cheshire cat when he's with someone rich or powerful, but can't even remember the name of someone voting for him.

He hates them, uses them, throws them away. He's done nothing for them but pander to their hatred. They're objects to be used.

The gigantic problem Trump has is that it's hard to make a plea deal once he's lost the election. His best bet is to make the deal and slither out before the election. Make the idiot Pence grant him a total pardon for federal crimes, and then he can flee the country to escape conviction in NY and other states.

Even as big of a dolt Trump is, he realizes that once he's lost an election, the power is gone.

all this talk about polling, when does the polling happen? No one ever calls or texts me for polls, and I never get mailed or emailed them. The only people who stop me with clipboards on the sidewalk are people raising money for charities.

Trump may well think that people will be contacting him as an elder sage and expert. I wish I could see his face when he realizes that Putin isn’t returning his calls.

It's going to be a riot watching him run for president, year after year, from outside the country.

Republicans are going to hold a rigged trial in the senate and will not remove Trump.

R123, frightening thought and totally possible

Calm down, R33. Your emotional petticoats are showing.

Need concurrence of two thirds of the Senators present for conviction on an impeachment article, R116. Wouldn’t happen.

[quote] I flatly predict he'll lose November 2020.

DataLounge predictions have always been eerily accurate.

R97, they’re running Tom Steyer and Bloomberg ads in Nevada. More Steyer ads than Bloomberg.

Neither one is my cup of tea, but I’ll vote for them if it comes down to them being the nominee.

R73/74 Not necessarily. Gardner, Collins, McSally, and Ernst are vulnerable. Trump's approval rating in their states is -16, -6, -3, and -9, respectively. In Arizona, McSally's opponent is up +4 and he's raking in big bucks. A lot can change in the next few months.

^even the next few days!

Trump won’t be done if he gets to run against an open borders leftist.

Nobody responsible is in favor of open borders. It’s a boogeymen.

Do fuck yourself r131. This site is utterly “leftist” toots.

r110, r112, I don’t believe you’re trolling at all, yes, it is frustrating that your viewpoint isn’t tolerated here — I see this regression all over the world as well. Perhaps your viewpoint would be better received if you also emphasize some solutions to this crisis. I’m looking to Europe in the hopes that they can identify what needs to happen. I think some of the unrest can be attributed to how quickly the world is changing in the age of technology. If your hypothesis is correct, what do you propose as a solution? How do we fix this?

I actually think the solution is that we need to have our government truly shift workers into new jobs to rebuild the middle class. I think much of the fear and hatred will subside when citizens have security. I also think think that the Fairness Doctrine needs to be reactivated to control propaganda and abuse within media.

These States that Trump won in 2016 are against him now:

Electoral Votes - State - Vote Margin

10 Wisconsin -10

16 Michigan -15

6 Iowa -9

20 Pennsylvania -6

11 Arizona -3

If these states flip, and all the others stay the same, the Dem wins, 295 electoral votes to 243.

Arizona’s a tough one though. People keep saying it will flip and it doesn’t. I live in Southern Nevada and have taken a few trips down there recently. From what I’ve seen, there are some super extreme religious right wingers out there. Just advertising and random signage about Jesus and they love Trump. Some of it is homemade on people’s property. I think it’s like Nevada, one part of the state is more conservative than another part.

If we get it, great, but there’s Trumpers under every bush, so I wouldn’t count on it.

[quote]20 Pennsylvania -6

I don't think this is accurate. Polling in 2016 underestimated turnout in the middle of the state and I think it's happening again. As someone who lives in western PA half the year...support for him hasn't changed.

R133 I would LOVE to see the Fairness Doctrine return, but Fox News and several cable channels proliferated after it was de-activated. TPTB at those media will make sure it won't come back because they'd have to set up a new business model.

The influence of "Why Me Worry?" Democratic Underground people is strong in this thread.

His reelection depends on who he is running against. If it's McGovern II, Trump wins.

Thanks r136 and r135. What else are you all seeing out there? I’m most interested in WI PA and FLA, but also AZ NV and of course, MI. Maine is its own animal. I’m in IL, near Chicago, and the majority is definitely blue, but there are tons of racists here too. But IL is still safe.

R65 I paid $3.99/gallon yesterday in SoCa.

[quote] I’m in IL, near Chicago, and the majority is definitely blue

Why is it blue?

Illinois is a blue state. It also went for Hillary.

I hope you’re right, Della. But I don’t think you will be.

Because Chicagoland is relatively wealthy as compared to the rest of the state, more educated, and Chicago loooooooves its unions.

Here’s the 2016 map. The only state that Hillary won, that Trump might win, I think, is Virginia.

R146, I believe Trump’s targets will be MN and NH. I think VA is solidly blue now.

I had a fight, I guess, with a friend today over lunch.

He is furious at his family for supporting Trump. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand Trump.

But I'm sitting there and all of a sudden this look came over his face as if to say: You're one of them!

I asked him what he's going to do to help get him out of office: volunteer for Bernie or Biden. He said he wouldn't do that, but that Trump had to go.

It was awkward and tense.

Trump is behind by 19% in New Hampstire; and behind by 10% in Minnesota.

Here are the state polls I’m using:

Nice try, Boris @ r7.

Trump is losing in the polls to every major, Democratic contender. Unfortunately for white trash.

I wish Justice Roberts would object to the 12-hour scheduled presentations. That would be cool.

Good on you r148 — but try to keep the friendship positive. We want people to understand we care about them, THAT is why we are challenging their actions. This is bigger than one person or one friendship, this really is about saving America and saving democracy.

The big wildcard is going to be the open primary states where Republicans can vote in the Democratic primary. Since Republicans don't have a primary of their own, I'd expect there will be some assholery happening. Like Warren or Gabbard winning. In states where they are polling low.

[quote]A lot of Democratic seats come up this year and far fewer Republican ones, if I recall correctly.

No.

Others have corrected this already, but here are the numbers:

Republicans have 23 seats up in 2020, 21 normally due for elections plus McCain's seat in AZ and Isakson's in GA.

Democrats have 12.

[quote] Even if Biden is his opponent, he most certainly will win. Have you seen Biden's speeches lately? The man is not all there. In the debates against Trump, he's likely to launch into a story about Corn Pop or challenge Trump to a push up contest. Biden is not the correct choice.

Have you seen Trump slurring and lying incoherently? Anyone other than Trump is the “correct” choice. Republicans could run a potbelly pig and concern trolls would still be clutching their pearls and wringing their hands. Americans love bacon and ham. A Democrat just can’t beat that.

You do know that there are more registered Democrats than Republicans.

[quote]We want people to understand we care about them

It's wrong of you to lie.

Let’s hope r123 is right, because that will spell election doom for enough Republican Senators to give Dems a supermajority in the Senate.

We don’t just want yo remove Trump. We want His accomplices gone, too.

Can’t wait till the democrat landslide and for all those trump supporters to scrub their social media.

This is the year that the rethugs are toppled. Too many eyes to get away with the usual shenanigans. Plus Dems are ready for every bit of it. No suprise this time.

Dems are going to sweep just in time to frame the next decade of the second reconstruction.

[quote] [R133] I would LOVE to see the Fairness Doctrine return, but Fox News and several cable channels proliferated after it was de-activated.

The elimination of the Fairness Doctrine led to the proliferation of right-wing talk radio, but it had no impact on cable TV because it only applied to broadcast TV and radio, not cable. The government can't regulate cable TV the way it can broadcast stations that send their signal over the public airwaves. Reinstating the Fairness Doctrine would have no impact on Fox News.

Suddenly NOT Susan!

Biden does not excite but he has the best chance of beating Trump.

So, I"m fine with Biden

Polls mean nothing as the GOP hate machine hasn't even stated up yet.

The First Amendment has got to go.

The rethugs are flailing on live TV.

They are FINISHED!

R159, you said that four years ago.

Just the facts, not emotions or wishes: In November 2018, he lost the House in the Blue Wave. In November 2019, he lost in LA, KY, PA, and VA. His approval rating hovers around 41 percent, the lowest of any president seeking reelection since Gerald Ford in 1976 (Ford was not elected). Approval to remove him from office ranges between 51-57 percent and we're not done yet. The Dem candidates have collectively raised 2.5 times what Trump has raised and Bloomberg's blank checks never run out. There are other scandals waiting to break that are "going to rock the political world."

Stevie Wonder could see the handwriting on the wall.

oh please r156, you have no idea as to my level of compassion and caring for my fellow citizens. You’re ridiculous.

r160, I did not know that, thank you. Is there no way to change that though?

I hate Trump but it’s pretty obvious he’s going to win again in 2020, we just need to brace ourselves and try to make a difference where we can. It just irks me that those shitty deplorables get to say “HA HA!” again.

How about making Fox News correctly identify themselves, after every 'newscast' or opinion piece that they are an 'entertainment channel' and not an aggregator of the actual news?

I am hearing from Republicans that they do NOT think he will be re-elected. The margin of his victory was so small and he has not gained any support since 2016. He has his Deplorables but the majority of the country is against him. Anything can happen but I do not think he is as assured of victory as Bush in 2004.

The Republican Congress will pay a price.

e169 = Russian embassy

[quote]Just the facts, not emotions or wishes

All true everything you've written but you're leaving out half of the story.

The headlines, whether it's Fox or the NYTimes say that the economy is doing very well, that unemployment is the lowest in 50 years, that wages are rising, that unemployment among Blacks and Latinos is the lowest in years.

How powerful will that be at election time?

Yes, Trumps approval rating is low but it was just as low in Nov. 2016. And remember Nate Silver gave Trump's chances of winning at 28% just before the election. How much can we trust polling?

Also: Trump won't be running against himself, he'll be running against Biden, Bernie orWarren. Voters might disapprove of Trump, but does that mean they'll vote for any of those three?

As for: "There are other scandals waiting to break that are "going to rock the political world.""

We've been hearing this for the last 3 years but as it stands now, after Mueller, Russia, hush money, impeachment etc, his polling numbers really haven't changed much.

[quote]There are a lot of Republicans predicted to lose their seats, and only one Democrat. I think the Dems take the senate.

If the Dems take the senate, is it likely McConnell will be dethroned (should he win the election)?

And is it possible the Senate can actually impeach/remove McConnell altogether?

I wish the Republican Senators would act as the beholden-to-their-paymaster-voters representatives they are, show some signs of awareness that Democratic candidates are winning more seats and red states are purpling.

From what I read of the impeachment hearings the Republican Senators are repulsive and acting out of short-term self-interest. Is that the way US government is constructed for meeting long-term challenges?

[quote] We've been hearing this for the last 3 years but as it stands now, after Mueller, Russia, hush money, impeachment etc, his polling numbers really haven't changed much.

No nothing has changed. Keeping in mind that his polling numbers have always been low. The 40 percent of the electorate that is his base; they will stick with him regardless. Despite whatever The NY Times may have published about the stock market, over the last 3yrs: 50 percent of the country wants Trump removed. Sixty percent of the country does not support him. Seventy percent believe his Ukraine shenanigans were wrong. Eighty percent of black people believe that Trump is a racist.

Americans measure the economy by their pocket books, not the New York Times. Rich people are getting richer. Rich people benefited from his tax cuts. Most Americans are not and they know it. Black people say their lives are the same or worst.

Trump isn't responsible for the economy.

But he is a crooked, racist, treasonous, ballistic piece of shit

Of course Trump takes credit for the sun rising every day. HE'S FIRED!

As far as I'm concerned, every way Republican senators have behaved to every crime Trump has committed, starting with firing Comey, is a criminal act of accomplicing. So McConnell should be impeached and locked up once the Democrats take the Senate. And there's nothing McConnell's inbred constituents can do about it.

The same goes for all of Trump's federal court appointments. Those judges are grossly misinterpreting and ignoring the Constitution and federal laws. Their warped interpretations alone are impeachable crimes. LOCK 'EM UP!

You can't just lie that crimes aren't happening in front of millions of witnesses.

If the economy and stock market are so great, they'll survive a change of President. Trump's sickening, exhausting behavior will result in voters knowing that.

All US Presidents, no matter their party, get too much credit and/or blame for the state of the economy.

[quote] If the Dems take the senate, is it likely McConnell will be dethroned (should he win the election)?

What kind of a foolish question is that? Doesn’t anyone understand anything about government in America anymore?

The only president I’ve ever credited with helping the economy was Obama. He did what was needed during the recession. And the one who caused it was Dubaya, with his off-the-books war in Iraq.

Agreed, r183.

Even Republicans I know secretly will concede to me that Obama was handed a steaming plate of shit for an economy and his policies deserve the credit for economic indicators showing slow, steady improvement since 2009.

And, of course, Trump is reaping the rewards. And we all know goddamn good and well he'd still be blaming Obama if the economy was in the tank.

Dear Beginners, government can do a lot when the economy turns sour and that’s when Presidents are judged on it.

But they don’t cause a healthy economy. That has to come from every citizen. Trump didn’t create new industries and he didn’t have to. His tax cuts for the rich didn’t trickle down to more benefits for the middle class and the private sector was already cooking before his inheritance.

On the contrary, Trump’s trade wars killing American jobs and his attempts to repeal Obamacare hurt the economy and stock market.

So don’t let Trump claim credit, the sun rises without him.

[quote]And, of course, Trump is reaping the rewards.

Of course. Whether we like it or not, that's the way it works in the eyes of most people.

Right or wrong, the Pres. presiding over the economy gets the credit....especially 3 years into a term.

And according to polling (CNN Dec. 2019) consumer confidence is at a 20 year high.

Dear r183,

You really need to learn your history about Franklin Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, then.

Good. Then America will really be made great again when he's gone from office.

Make America great again by voting in Democrats.

Who needs a bunch of defeated, pessimistic pearl clutchers? Go over to Fox if you want blow Trump.

[quote] The headlines, whether it's Fox or the NYTimes say that the economy is doing very well, that unemployment is the lowest in 50 years, that wages are rising, that unemployment among Blacks and Latinos is the lowest in years.

[quote] How powerful will that be at election time?

Impeding access to affordable health care. Opposed to increasing access to higher education. No significant wage increases for the working and middle classes. Big corporations paying zero in taxes. Labor unions in danger. An increase in hate crimes and public shootings. The Supreme Court in danger of being more conservative than 70% of Americans.

Trump is known to be indifferent to quality of life issues. And income inequality is even more stark with a wannabe oligarch in the White House. These things will matter in 2020.

Trump won the first time when people thought he would start war and crash economy. Until the border is secured, no Democrat will get elected.

[quote]Rich people are getting richer. Rich people benefited from his tax cuts.

While practically everybody else got a concurrent tax hike. I don't think I've ever seen such a brazen middle finger to the middle class.

[quote]You really need to learn your history about Franklin Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, then.

Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, LOL!!!

[quote]While practically everybody else got a concurrent tax hike. I don't think I've ever seen such a brazen middle finger to the middle class.

Trump's strongest opposition were educated people in blue states. They are the ones the Republicans set out to screw in the tax overhaul. Mission accomplished. Their toothless hillbilly stooges got a little extra temporarily, and of course the ultra-rich got ultra-richer.

r183, not one bankster went to jail. Not a one. In fact, I don't think they were even charged or taken to court. So that encourages the same behavior down the road.