Queen Elizabeth agrees: "Meghan and Harry can go it alone"

Notice how she never referred to them as Duke and Duchess?

Whew!

Now we can get the fuck out of this shit show.

Celine Dion has weighed in on the matter.

Wishing them the best of luck. They’re gonna need it.

I think they think they pulled a fast one on The Queen. They got what they wanted. But sometimes getting what you want is a curse.

It seems like the Queen was being a wuss, but I’m choosing to see it as a wise and compassionate way to deal with the renegades. Harry is going to need a soft place to land when Meghan ditches him. His brother may never forgive him, but if Lizzie Windsor is still around, she will. Charles is wracked with guilt (as evidenced by his open checkbook) and will say not a word when the prodigal son returns. I think Kate would see her way to some forgiveness, too.

I wonder what Tom Markle thinks of all this.

[quote] I wonder what Tom Markle thinks of all this.

He's too busy grifting with Samantha Markle, in Mexico.

R6, he may be dead from shock.

Wow - I knew this wouldn't last, but I am shocked at the speed with which all of this has unraveled. It sounds like Sparkle gave him an ultimatum - me & kid or your family - and by the way, the kid isn't leaving the country. He choose her even though it's only a matter of time before she kicks him to the curb & he it sounds as if he's not well adjusted on the best of days, so it's good that while Granny can't afford to indulge the Duke of Sussex, she be compassionate to her troubled grandson.

While he certainly has his own issues, I feel kind of bad that they tried to make Will the heavy in all this.

The Queen just signed a blank check for Harry and Meghan.

Now they're free to be billionaires.

And poor William is stuck with the boring stick.

The greater detail about Meghans intention to never return to the UK - which seems feasible if she left her baby in a foreign country when she came back - is the nail in the coffin for the marriage. Harry may think he is ok with it - but he is British to the core. Fascinating train wreck that EVERYBODY saw coming - just like so many marriages. Marriage is such a horrible idea.

Oh good. I’m glad that’s all settled. Ok, in other news...

How long will the marriage last? Is 5 yrs or 3 yes too long? Plus the new thing is to marry a billionaire and Meghy is a very trendy girl..very trendy!

For those keeping score:

MEGHAN - 1

QUEEN - 0

KATE - NEGATIVE 20

Meghan wants to be Kim Kardashian, at least her lifestyle anyway. She wants a billionaire Kardashian lifestyle. And she probably about to get too.

You loons wishing for a divorce are a sick lot. Get a life already.

We gave Harry and Meghan time to look for other jobs and hoped that they would announce it through the palace and that they'd leave with dignity. But Harry and Meghan made another choice.

R15, wishing and predicting are two different things.

I certainly don’t WISH for Harry to be hoodwinked and discarded, because he doesn’t really deserve that. But the red flags have been flaying from day one.

She agreed to a transition. Not seeing anything about a blank check.

R13, I doubt Kate particularly cares about any of this

[quote] For those keeping score: MEGHAN - 1, QUEEN - 0, KATE - NEGATIVE 20

ANGRY RACIST BRITISH PRESS - 1,000,000

R1

Because that is what they are; and more to point since Markle woman doesn't have a title or rank of her own it would be otherwise; "the Prince and Princess Harry". Or just "Prince Harry" and MM

[quote]For those keeping score: MEGHAN - 1, QUEEN - 0, KATE - NEGATIVE 20

I'm not sure why someone think the comparison to Kate is a valid one. Kate chose the public service route when she married Willaim. It's a lifestyle of duty with limited profit. Meghan decided the duty bound, altruistic lifestyle wasn't for her and is making her way down the 'for profit' path. Nothing wrong with either if it's handled properly.

That Meghan chose it knowing full well the stress involved is what is disrespectful. Eliminates all sympathy. Like an adult who sees lots of cake and wants to eat it all - it’s hard to feel bad when they get sick from overeating,

Again, we knew back in April 2019 that they were looking to live elsewhere in the Commonwealth. News of that is what started the whole "Meghan is being banished to Africa" nonsense. There's no way the Queen was "blindsided" and there's no way a lot of this wasn't already discussed months ago. Plus, there was an interview from a few years ago where Harry said he was considering leaving the royal family back in 2015.

The only reason this became a "crisis" is because The Sun was going to leak the whole thing early.

[quote]It's a lifestyle of duty with limited profit. Meghan decided the duty bound, altruistic lifestyle

Limited profit? Altruistic?! Good lord.

The move to Canada is because Meghan has just agreed to star in several Hallmark Christmas movies.

The royal family is in denial that they’ve lost Harry. The guy they knew was poisoned by a malignant narcissist spider. He is not coming back, not now or ever.

They must cut all ties, take away all titles, properties, money, etc. There is no middle ground here. Harry is gone.

[quote] they’ve lost Harry. The guy they knew was poisoned by a malignant narcissist spider. He is not coming back, not now or ever. They must cut all ties, take away all titles, properties, money, etc. There is no middle ground here. Harry is gone.

Says R27, typing with his white KU KLUX KLAN hood and Blackamoor pin.

And all because Harry dared to marry a bi-racial woman with black heritage.

Tsk, tsk.

Don't believe HM and BRF were "taken" or any such thing. Writing has been on wall for some time that PH was not happy in UK, and was seeking to live abroad at least part-time. First it was South Africa, but guess that didn't work out, so onto Canada.

Being part of Commonwealth Canada long as been a bolt hole for those seeking out of GB but still wanting to keep their toes in "British" water so to speak.

What angered HM and RF was how things were done, but that's all water off a duck's back now. Besides HM nor BRF cannot keep PH and that common little wife of his in UK against their wishes.

In a way this all makes sense if one examines things from long view. PH in interviews long before his marriage pretty much stated he wasn't happy with being a royal (or words to that effect), including statements about "who wants to be king nowadays?" or some such.

PH not only is a second son, but pushed way down line of succession by his brother's marriage and breeding of children. He will never inherit so what's he going to do with rest of his life? We've seen examples from both his uncles (Prince Andrew and Prince Edward), obviously neither suits PH's plans.

Finally it cannot be ignored that MM as a colored woman is just not wholly going to be excepted by London society or even Britons overall; As an American fact MM will always be second fiddle to dss. of Cambridge must gall her no end. Fact that MM must crane her neck not just to Kate Middleton but York princesses and everyone else in BRF above her in precedence also likely ruffles her feathers.

Oh it also must be said even with loosening up of things, life as a royal is still rather constricted, especially for women. For a woman who is used to doing whatever she wishes when she wishes that must come as a shock.

In summation many of you simply aren't looking at things from entire picture. There are reasons why PH chose an older colored American woman as his wife, just as his great great uncle went with Wallis Simpson. MM is PH's "bolt hole" out of a royal life he obviously doesn't want much part of in whole.

R28, you are a disgusting race baiter. Her entire history is one of malignant narcissism. Go back and review it if you don’t believe me.

You can make your false accusations of racism all you want, but that won’t make them true. It just points out that you are a sociopath with a warped view of the world.

Too bad you didn’t marry her. You’re a good match.

[quote]Limited profit? Altruistic?! Good lord.

Limited profit...absolutely. You're not going to see Cambridge branded hoodies. They get what the state gives them and income from the duchies. You're not going to see any of the front line royals hawking shit. And those few that have tried have been swatted down.

And, yup, altruism, they are the patrons of numerous charities, which comes with the job.

R31

Neither Prince Harry, nor certainly MM have any rights to nor receive monies directly from the "state".

HM provides funds from Sovereign Grant, and PC from his own income (Duchy of Cornwall, etc...) all in exchange or behalf of royal duties performed. Prince Charles does pony up other funds on occasion (IIRC he paid for MM's wedding gown, etc...), but other than that they get nothing.,

Unless some sort of employment can be found for PH and MM in Canada on behalf of BRF or nation, don't see why anyone is gong to give them much if any funds. Prince Harry has buckets for a start, and there is going to be a huge public outcry in many circles over paying a "royal" rate payers money (even if that isn't actual source) who lives abroad.

This being said there is precedent; financial arrangements made for Duke of Windsor likely have been dusted off an examined I shouldn't wonder.

translation:

"Girl, bye!"

🎶Harry has resigned from the Firm and this we avow

The marginalized are those he is marching with now

He supports you, for he loves you Understands you, is one of you

If not, how could he love me?🎶

Meghan should ask Queen Elizabeth if she has any gum in her purse.

So, an American black woman married a spoiled, ginge Brit aristocrat with temper issues... She could have been World famous and beloved for the rest of her life, but in the end was just too....hood(?) to realize what she had.

I haven’t followed any of this bullshit but really liked this woman and the story of their marriage. Now all I have is distain for both of them; all of this tabloid nonsense they’ve created while so many others go without jobs are hungry or homeless. They’re both pigs. Harrys sanctimony have already become insufferable because anytime I would read anything about him, and I swear I never went looking for news about any of these Royal people, he was whining or bitching or attempting to school people on the environment are this thing or that thing. His brother and sister-in-law seem like total class act compared to him. I hope he ends upIn a section 8 somewhere in Chicago.

Will this make Harry happy? Maybe for a second but he will want to come back.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle have the support of the Queen one week after their bombshell announcement to step back as senior members of the royal family.

The Duke of Sussex met with his grandmother, Queen Elizabeth II, his father, Prince Charles, and his brother, Prince William, on Monday to discuss a resolution.

Prince Harry was spotted entering the Sandringham Estate at 11:20 a.m. GMT and five hours later, Harry, William and Charles were all seen by royal reporters leaving separately.

Following the meeting, Queen Elizabeth released the following statement:

Today my family had very constructive discussions on the future of my grandson and his family.

My family and I are entirely supportive of Harry and Meghan’s desire to create a new life as a young family. Although we would have preferred them to remain full-time working Members of the Royal Family, we respect and understand their wish to live a more independent life as a family while remaining a valued part of my family.

Harry and Meghan have made clear that they do not want to be reliant on public funds in their new lives.

It has therefore been agreed that there will be a period of transition in which the Sussexes will spend time in Canada and the UK.

These are complex matters for my family to resolve, and there is some more work to be done, but I have asked for final decisions to be reached in the coming days.

The Duchess of Sussex was not present at Monday's meeting as she is currently in Canada on Vancouver Island with the couple's son, Archie.

r29 calls Meghan "a colored woman" and accuses us of being Klan members.

Oh, my sides.

It's all too too much in a very short period of time. Meeting, "dating", engagement, finally living together, new country, new jobs (mega new job!), pregnancy, baby. For any "regular" people, this could break them up, add in the media circus, BRF, etc and it's no surprise that things are unravelling. Oh and add a narcissistic B (C?) list actress to the equation. I thought all this might happen 3-5 years from now. The pace that their relationship started with the pace that things are unravelling now, I have to say it's only a matter of time before divorce.

A few months ago I thought these two nuts might make it together, simply because they're both bananas (pun intended). But now I just think it's way too much for either of them, but mostly fragile Harry, to handle.

The Queen has generously gifted the couple Enough Rope.

Hope they remember to send a thank-you note. The accepted time frame is one year, although sooner is always better.

r40, I thought they'd stay together, if for no other reason than codependence. But now, I don't know.

R41, I think you have it right. The queen plays a smart and sometimes very long game.

Is there a throuple in the future for Harry and Megs?

Check your sources luv, R39, I never..

[quote] The queen plays a smart and sometimes very long game

Not at 93, dear.

She's got 10 years more ... TOPS. Probably not even that.

At this point, she's letting everyone do, whatever the hell they want to do.

QEII probably gives zero fucks, right now.

The Queen did no such thing, clueless R9. William will be king, Harry will be nothing and he and Meghan have made themselves a liability to everyone so no one will want to work with them.

Did you notice how in her statement the Queen called them simply "Harry and Meghan" and not "the Duke and Duchess"? This is unprecedented, as is referring to them as "the Sussexes". Bye bye, titles.

Absolutely right, r41. Her statement, although affectionate, was pretty damning.

R46, the Queen isn't thinking in terms of her own mortal life but of her dynasty and, whether you realise it or not, she is moving to protect it from the damage a naive Harry and a selfish, grasping Meghan might cause.

I don't know what's more idiotic: the "malignant narcissist" troll at r27 or the "RACISM!!" troll at r28.

Yes, r32...hence LIMITED INCOME. You're making my point for me.

After one long boring Canadian winter, she will dump dim-wit Harry and will be partying with the Kardashians in her Malibu mansion laughing at the stupid Queen.

'You can't quit, YOU'RE FIRED!'

Didn't she live in Canada for several years while appearing in Suits?

Harry and Megs probably think they can be king and queen of Canada and can launch an attack on the UK to unseat the rest of the royals. He's such an idiot.

And YET another Welp Troll/Klan thread for Muriel to shut down.

Meghan will not move on from Harry unless she finds a bigger mark. I doubt anyone will take her on as a wife after witnessing the world wide drama she caused. So, once all the commercial opportunities, dry up she will try to return to the royal fold because she will have no where else to go.

R53 that's #1 Show in the World, Powerhouse Phenomenon Suits, according to the Megstans

There is no racism in this thread. Criticism of Meghan Markle is not racism.

Correction R58. There is racist criticism of Meghan, on DL and elsewhere. But not all criticism of Meghan is racist.

Can the Klan troll STFU

I can't wait for them to renew their vows in Canada!

Harry is going to damn the day he got involved with this bitch once he realizes what it’s like to have to actually work for a living.

Harry is just along for the ride. Meghan is the one with the drive and ambition.

Sometimes, you're better off dead

The Klanners are here and they're ruining the thread

These racists are mad, so unstable

Knocking down doors and kicking in tables

On Datalounge, a dead end town

Call the Mods, there's a Welp Troll around

Ban the Klan, send them underground

To a Nazi site in a West End Town.

R34 "It seems crazy but you must believe.....there's nothing calculated, nothing planned....."

R63 Yaaaaaawwwwwwnnnnn

R58, In fact, the person calling everyone "Klan" members referred to Meghan as "a colored woman", so you have to wonder.

R66. no I didn't. I'm British. I said 'a woman of colour' which is politically very correct in 2020. You wouldn't know, being 74.

Meghan grew up in LA,—does she really want to suffer through more winter weather? I think they should have gone for Africa.

Perhaps, r67, you did not write r29:

Whoever wrote r29 referred to Meghan Markle as a "colored woman" twice. Which is not the same as "woman of color", yes.

You are such an idiot R67! You care more about being politically correct than being factually correct. Tell me, what is the difference between "woman of color" and "colored woman"?? I bet you're one of those people who thinks they're fighting racism by using more racism because your liberal college invented Critical Race Theory. You are such a sheep!!

[quote]We gave Harry and Meghan time to look for other jobs and hoped that they would announce it through the palace and that they'd leave with dignity. But Harry and Meghan made another choice.

"It is a sad day when a booger-eating babooness like Old Betty Windsor, in the sunset of her life, is reduced to publicly branding herself as a vicious hag, humiliating a sweetly Christlike Duke and Duchess with weak white-lady shade, and speaking negatively against me, all for the sake of making people think her royal poopydoops don't stink," Miss Lady Sussex commented exclusively on her Instagram account. “It speaks to her true character."

Is there a difference between "woman of color" and "colored woman"?

Ask one and report back to us.

R72 Please go back to the fucking 1950s hun, ok?

R16 and R71 Those remixed monologues/statements made during the 2006 media drama surrounding Star Jones controversial exit from The View is everything.

This is why is enjoy DL. Sometimes, anyway.

Megs is a grifter. She exploits her mark to HER full benefit, then moves on, her modus vivendi from the get-go. It's been crystal clear since the engagement interview that Ginger was simply her latest mark, that he was a bit player in HER show. Anyone still believing that there is a future THEY rather than a SHE is woefully blind to the obvious: that Megs is done, outta there, having gotten what she wanted.

Canada is the end of the line for the Ginger Megs show. Just as Megs told Ginger "it's not working for me" about Britain, she will repeat the same sentiment about him/their marriage. IF Ginger does join Megs in Canada, expect him to head back to Britain this summer.

Good for them. Smart move. After Brexit, there isn't going to be much of an England in a few years anyway.

well what are they going to do? she was a 3rd tier actress, and him? no longer a prince, just a balding redhead. Without the royal factor, the interests in them will soon die down.

are they trying to be social influencers pitching diapers, diet pills...or become a hotel chain spokesperson, doing tv commercial s... I am sure they will get a lot offers in the beginning, but once the novelty is over, they have to compete against the Kardashians, tons of models and influencers for gigs.

oh I don't think they will be invited to upper class social circles in America, I just don't see that happening.

R76, There won’t be much of the EU because the new Slav member-countries (who are now making up half of the union) are all voting in right-wing governments.

R78 has about as much understanding of the EU as Meghan has of the UK., i.e. zilch.

R79 tries to school people, but just demonstrates his ignorance.

They won't last long in Canada. This country doesn't slobber over celebrities and feed their egos like London and New York. They will be in LA within 8 months.

What would have happenEd if the Queen did not agree?

Don't expect a divorce anytime soon. If that were to happen, Markle would automatically lose the "HRH" before her name, and "HRH" is Markle's ticket to cache and merchandising. The new Letters Patent drawn up when Diana/Charles and Sarah/Andrew got divorced are still in place, and it affected them both. Even during their marital separations they were still HRH The Princess of Wales and HRH The Duchess of York.

However, when their divorces became final, they became Diana, Princess of Wales and Sarah, Duchess of York, which is still Sarah's official title. "HRH" was gone. If Markle gets divorced, she goes from HRH The Duchess of Sussex to Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. No more HRH. So if there were to be a divorce, Markle is not going to do it until she has millions in the bank and her star has fallen.

Honestly, what is Harry going to do career wise? Nobody is going to pay him money to go on some goodwill tour to visit some charities which will be covered by the press (the very press Harry and Meghan fight against).

Harry will do what Markle tells him to do.

Being 'financially independent' just means they won't receive the Sovereign Grant as they won't be full-time working Royals. They already have enough money to be financially independent, all they're doing is pulling out of having to do some work.

R86. Pulling out of having to do some work? They'll be doing no work except for themselves. And they want more money from Charles--not less. They want money from the Duchy of Cornwall. They are grifting thieves pulling off a heist.

So that's it then: they'll be Mr and Mrs Henry Mountbatten-Windsor of Bel Air, lately of Vancouver.

R80 is an American whose "understanding" of the EU comes from the American media yet who hilariously tries to "educate" people who actually live in the EU (and UK) what the situation is really like here even though he doesn't have a clue.

R88. Yes, Canada is a pit stop. They're not going to live there. It's another lie. When the dust settles--and maybe even before it settles, Markle is moving back to California with or without Harry. The queen is too old to fight it. Charles doesn't have the balls. William hates Markle; he's angry enough and he may have the balls to do something, but as close as he is to the top job, he still doesn't have the power to stop the Markle heist.

[quote] Mr and Mrs Henry Mountbatten-Windsor of Bel Air

But at home in Bel Air, the staff will refer to them as Your Royal Highness.

What ROYAL roles do they have? No one gives a rat's ass about someone who is sixth in line to the throne.

It'll save money and teach those mooching, professional victims about the world. That is if they really kicked their ass to the curb.

Even the ex-king super Nazi was given a luxury life during WWII when he was supporting the invaders.

Something like that r88. From the Queen's statement it looks like there may be a change to their titles or how they're styled. Another point: while in her statement the Queen pretty much covered most of the points H&M had made in their announcement, she said nothing about them continuing to represent her or the royal family, which is something they've been at pains to point out they want to do, especially at their website.

[quote]she said nothing about them continuing to represent her or the royal family, which is something they've been at pains to point out they want to do, especially at their website.

HM is well-aware that Ginger Megs represent only themselves. If that reality ever escapes her, she has various media interviews of them whinging mightily to remind her. THAT'S why no mention was made of continuing representation.

They want to merch and shill while being HRH: that is a no-no, by convention. It's either one thing or the other.

R89, quit being a Schizo who pretends to know every DLer’s citizenship and calls people he disagrees with “Americans”. Lol. Continue sticking your head in the sand and pretending that the EU is currently not heading for a clusterfuck due to its new members. It is, dear. You blaming the US media is laughable. Here’s the Irish Times for your reading pleasure, saying the exact same thing. Same was noted by the FT, etc. Or are you going to call every newspaper you don’t like “American”? Lol.

R96, that's the one article (and it's by a law professor who is particularly focused on legal reforms) that you can find with that kind of headline and headlines are not even devised by the author. No country aside from Poland and Hungary is problematic and their problems are due to their histories - they have issues from the 20th century that will be worked through in time.

Hungary is not even a Slav nation and if you really want to know about Polish attitudes to the EU look up Donald Tusk. EU membership is hugely popular in both countries - whereas membership of Brexit Britain is increasingly less popular in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

My partner happens to be Hungarian and we are in Central Europe all the time.

Sure r94, but they specifically said they want to keep "supporting" and representing the Queen and the royal family, so it's very interesting that she omitted any mention of that.

Oh, and by the way r96, the judicial reforms that Poland intends to introduce are about political interference in the appointment of judges - something that is part and parcel of the American judicial system. The Polish proposals are mild compared to what goes on in the US and which all American citizens seem to accept.

I guess the US is about to fall apart because, you know, Alabama and Massachusetts are really different.

R81, excuse me. Who’s slobbering over celebrities in New York? I guarantee that conceited twat could walk down the street pushing Archie in a stroller and nobody would look twice. I can’t tell you the famous people I’ve seen just doing their thing, totally unmolested by the public.

Which is probably why she’s not coming here.

^^ R81, although I don’t think Canadians are provincial slobberers, either. I view them as polite and kind, but not impressed by grifters any more than we are.

Don’t know about LA people, though. I imagine they’re just as unimpressed. Lots of celebs there, too.

If they truly want to be out of the public eye and go it alone then yes Canada is the perfect place for them. No one pays attention to Canada. They also have ties to the country and friends here. However if building a brand on the basis of their celebrity is the endgame, they are going to be wasting their time here.

Liz lost the plot as she has mellowed with age. SAD!!!

[quote]but in the end was just too....hood(?) to realize what she had

"But our hatred of Meghan has NOTHING to do with race!"

For the first time I feel a little sorry for them., or rather, for Harry. Can you even imagine? Who handles all their actual, day-to-day stuff? Having other people deal with everything, plan everything, foresee everything, is the only way Harry knows how to live. When they open the front door and there are 1000 reporters and photographers outside....

I guess Oprah will advise.

R105 Maybe Harry will grow up, finally.

[quote] that's the one article

I already told you I can give you plenty of similar articles, head-in-sand r97. But this is not the thread for this so I didn’t think you’d insist on more sources. Fine, dear, here you go:

Financial Times: “There’s still no end in sight for Poland v EU” (report by James Shotter in Warsaw and Mehreen Khan in Brussels)

FT: “Poland risks losing EU funds over climate stance, warns Macron. Warsaw DEMANDS extra aid [$$$] as condition for agreeing to net zero emissions targets” (report by Mehreen Khan and Jim Brunsden in Brussels)

FT: “East v west: Hungary and Poland fight together in EU clash. Defiance on migration and judicial reform presents big test for Brussels” (report by Andrew Byrne in Budapest, Michael Peel in Brussels and Tobias Buck in Berlin)

[quote] My partner happens to be Hungarian and we are in Central Europe all the time.

Well, smell her! R97, the fact that a Hungarian is fucking you is no credential :). I lived in Central Europe as well. But of course some Central European rimming you makes you think you’re the only ‘expert’ on the EU/UK here and everyone else is a ‘dumb ‘Murican’, eh? That dick got to your head :)

[quote] no country aside from Poland and Hungary is problematic

Are you serious? Does the fact that NONE of the Slav countries legalised gay marriage not clue you in?

Even even the Czechs (who are more Westernised than the rest, thanks to Austria controlling them for centuries) often give the EU the proverbial finger now, lol. And if you think dirt-poor, conservative Romania, criminally corrupt Slovakia, etc are not “problematic”, you’re unbelievably naïve. Since you love 'sources' so much, here you go:

EuroNews: “Poland, Hungary, AND CZECH REPUBLIC BROKE EU law by refusing to take in migrants”

German Deutsche Welle: “Slovakia: Has the EU looked the other way for too long? An EU CRISIS delegation has just returned from Slovakia. The ensuing European Parliament debate about the situation clearly highlighted the weaknesses plaguing European policy making.”

[quote] if you really want to know about Polish attitudes to the EU look up Donald Tusk. EU membership is hugely popular in both countries

No, R97, I’ll go monitor what the Poles and Hungarians are actually DOING in the EU’s insitutions (their record of thwarting EU initiatives). I don’t give a heck about “Tusk” - I’m listening to Poland’s actual President (who called the EU “an IMAGINARY COMMUNITY”) and Poland’s Prime Minister (who just now ACCUSED the EU of “DISCRIMINATION”, lol). THOSE are the people that matter, not Tusk - because Poles VOTED those morons into power. If they wanted to be part of the EU so much, they wouldn’t have voted for such right-wing, Eurosceptic politicians.

And of course membership is ‘popular’ - in the sense that so many Poles exploited it to get the hell out of Poland and move to Britain, they became one of the biggest minorities in London. The EU membership is their meal ticket, but now that EU handouts are finally being limited - the Slavs are suddenly acting all indignant, lol. Poland is the biggest grifter in the EU, getting the most handouts - but in return they don’t even want to follow EU rules and will give anyone the finger if they don’t get their handouts.

And no one is ‘asking’ Poland & Hungary re: EU membership - if they continue at this rate, they’ll be kicked out.

Financial Times: “Poland's president Andrzej Duda has lambasted the EU as an “imaginary community from which we don't gain much”. “Poland’s prime minister launched a heavy critique of the EU, saying that … the EU has shown “discrimination” “.

EuroNews: "Poland could be forced to leave EU by its judicial reforms, top court says"

[quote] the judicial reforms that Poland intends to introduce are about political interference in the appointment of judges - something that is part and parcel of the American judicial system. The Polish proposals are mild compared to what goes on in the US and which all American citizens seem to accept. I guess the US is about to fall apart because, you know, Alabama and Massachusetts are really different.

R99, oh stop being disingenuous. The US is NOT a member-state of the EU. The US can do whatever the heck it wants - because it did NOT sign an agreement to abide by EU membership rules. Whereas Poland, Romania, Slovakia, etc DID sign that agreement and therefore have to comply. And if they don’t want to comply with EU rules - fine, they can get the heck out. They can’t have it both ways - grifting and begging for handouts from the EU while not obeying EU member-rules.

And Alabama and Massachussets are the SAME COUNTRY. Same language, similar religion, similar ethnic makeup, shared history. Comparing that to Western Europe vs Slavs is just ridiculous - e.g. Bulgarians have ZERO shared history, culture or even language with e.g. the Danish.

The European shit is beyond ridiculous.

[QUOTE] They want to merch and shill while being HRH: that is a no-no, by convention. It's either one thing or the other.

Oh really?

[QUOTE] They want to merch and shill while being HRH: that is a no-no, by convention. It's either one thing or the other.

Oh really?

They want to merch and shill while being HRH: that is a no-no, by convention. It's either one thing or the other.

Oh really?

[QUOTE] They want to merch and shill while being HRH: that is a no-no, by convention. It's either one thing or the other.

Oh really?

I think they are being self-destructive in the long-run.

Meghan will be just fine. She knows how to make a buck, and she seems to be pretty good at it.

It’s Harry they worry about. He’s got learned helplessness.

R97–Also, Hungarians don’t want any North African and Middle Eastern “refugees” to try to flood the country.

It’s possible that Meghan is a conniving harpy who got her claws in Harry and is wrenching him away from his family and role. It’s also possible that Harry wanted out and found a hardheaded woman who was willing to be the media bad guy and help him break free.

There is pervasive dislike for Meghan on DL, but DL is not her demographic. I work with a lot of younger women of color who are fascinated by Megs and her transition into the lily-white halls of power and influence. These are the same people who keep Kim Lardashian (that’s a typo but I’m keeping it) afloat, and Megs absolutely has accomplished more and is more interesting than her. So who knows, maybe she will end up a billionaire lifestyle influencer or the like.

I hope the best for them, and I admire Harry for rolling the dice. He is only looking at a future of increasing irrelevancy if he stays. True, it isn’t one of penury, but being seen as a hanger-on and joke like his uncle is a terrible prospect.

R1 The Queen called them the Sussexes at the end. She is not going to take away their titles like Diana had her HRH taken away. William told Diana that the first thing he'd do as King would be to restore her HRH.

[quote] Queen Marie of Romania, shilling Ponds creme in Good Housekeeping

[quote] HRH Princess Elizabeth of Yugoslavia, for Janet Sartin skincare

[quote] Crown Princess Marie Chantal of Greece, for Michael Kors

Oh, my sides. Don't make people laugh, R112, R113, R114. There is no actual "royal family" of Greece, Romania or Yugoslavia anymore. Greece and Romania officially ABOLISHED it. LOL, and how can you be "Queen of Yugoslavia" if there's NO SUCH COUNTRY as "Yugoslavia" anymore (even the country itself does not exist, lol!).

This is hilarious. It's like calling yourself "Emperor of the Roman Empire", "Crown Prince/Heir of the Macedonian Kingdom" or "Queen of sunken Atlantis" in 2020. The Roman Empire is gone! The Macedonian Kingdom is gone. Atlantis is gone. The Greek kingdom is gone. Greece is a REPUBLIC now. The office of monarchy was abolished - therefore all those "crown prince" titles were abolished too.

All these EX-royals are shilling handbags now exactly because their kingdoms and "crowns" have disappeared!

Some starlet once said that--after six months at the MGM "finishing school" for stardom--she didn't even know how to switch on the lights anymore, because everything was being done FOR her--she didn't have to lift a finger.

Poor Harry. He's been in the Royal Finishing School for a LIFETIME.

OMG, r107, the EU is collapsing because of disagreement over a couple of policies! Yes, Alabama and Massachusetts are in the same country, have the same language, etc. yet they are far, far more different to each other than Poland and Denmark are.

The "threat" to the EU identified in the article you posted is not that a member-state is equivocating on something but political interference in the judicial system - just like you have in the USA. The problem isn't a disagreement but the principle of what is being disagreed upon.

R117, I've been to a couple of great Syrian restaurants in Budapest and met an Iranian carpetseller who has a shop there. Yes, some countries have more of a problem with migrants than others. Big deal, doesn't mean anything is collapsing.

It's sort of strange how sentimental people get over this trust fund baby.

R119, she called them the Sussexes at the end but royals don't usually refer to other royals as "the Sussexes" or "the Windsors". There is no way the Queen or Charles is going to allow them to use the titles "Duke and Duchess of Sussex" for commercial purposes, with the specific aim of securing their finances.

[quote]All these EX-royals are shilling handbags now exactly because their kingdoms and "crowns" have disappeared!

And that's the key point. Those ex-royals shill because they have to. No kingdom, no money. Not exactly the position of the Sussexes.

I really think they can make a go of it, financially, if they are well-advised and strike out now while things are hot for them. Note the keyword, "well-advised". This is critical.

The deals they make, the products or product lines they associate with, the overall branding strategy all need very careful calibration in order to maneuver the very thin line between royal status and non-royal freedom. Any step over into crass commercialism on the back of their royal association, and they could not only lost their rank and titles, but hurt their growing brand. Lose-lose.

I posited in another thread that Meghan could make decent money on her own branded line, like high-end skin care for 40-ish women (a big market). Build up the brand to a certain point, then sell for a chunk of cash. She'd need to do this as a *non-royal* though, under her maiden name only. If I were advising her, I'd tell her it may be better in the long run to ditch the titles now, rather than hang onto them and have to deal with all the rule and restrictions the BRF will put in place. Just ditch the royal shit completely, and get to work.

She could do fine as a commoner, and at this point make some successful deals. The window for that could close in the next few years, as their star dwindles from lack of exposure and royalty-adjacentness, and as age sets in.

R123, for me as a Brit, the problem is that in the past couple of years, the constitution of our country has been taken to the brink and battered beyond recognition. We don't need a problem with the institution of the head of state too. British citizens have been ridiculed enough by our politicians, we don't need the royals (i.e. Harry and Meghan) to start taking the piss out of us too.

If only Harry did have a trust fund, then half the problems would be resolved.

I think the Queen, Charles and William should have expected this no matter who Harry married. Harry was a wild child much like his Aunt Margret. Once he calmed down he realized that the spare is like the vice president - useless unless the president is removed or dead. Once William had a child that idea no longer existed. So he wants to be independent. Whether it works out for them in the long run or not what really upsets the Queen is that she can no longer control her family. The hard fact is she was a bad mother. A good mother would have let Charles marry whom he loved. A good mother would have seen the crazy that Diana brought to the table. A good mother would have found Harry a place at the table early on. And a good mother would have dealt with the racist British press. Harry's move is also a clear sign that the royals remain a hazard of British culture. Are they really needed if you can break away from them? Are they really needed if some of them are irrelevant? And the Queen, who has always been very color blind, seems to have neglected her role to stone up MM by bringing her closer to the fold. I wish Harry luck. His Great Aunt Margret is looking down and saying " Fuck them all!"

Honestly, all the Sussexes need is a Casamigos kind of brand, and then they're billionaires like George Clooney and that weird goblin husband of Cindy Crawford. They should ditch the pretenses of global humanitarians (no one buys that, given Meghan's penchant for couture and using people. That approach would be a fail.) They should embrace luxury. Create a smooth Sussex Royal Brandy that's marketed toward the elite and sit back and rake in the cash.

r127 his Great Aunt "Margo" (as they called her) was a fervent monarchist who revelled in her royal status, lording it over everybody. She was hardly a revolutionary.

I agree that perhaps Charles could have stuck his neck out a bit, early on during some of the nastier press headlines, and made a statement about some of the crap being printed ("Straight out of Compton" for example, way ott). He didn't, but he did do plenty for his son and DIL in so many other ways, they really can't complain much (see today's headline re his Sussex funding, in ways they didn't own up to on their webiste - Frogmore furninshing, etc). Harry clearly has grown tired of his 2nd level royal role even before Meghan came along, so all this may have been inevitable either way.

It's the "independence" part that will need calibrating. We'll see how it turns out.

R118, you’ve made a really good point. Sometimes weak men choose a ball buster wife to hide behind and use as a proxy. No doubt Harry was unhappy with his place, and wanted to break free. And Meghan enabled that. It’s sad that there has to be so much collateral damage b

You surely jest r128: "SussexRoyal Brandy"? Cindy Crawford's husband as a role model?

This is exactly the sort of thing the BRF will ban and restrict from ever happening. Crass commercialization of the royal brand or the titles given to H&M. They'd be stupid to ever try to cash in on such a scheme.

Meghan has talent and skills, she's a former actress and pitch person (Reitman's, etc). She can go back to these things if she wishes, but she'll have to do it under her "Markle" maiden name.

There's already some precedent here, with Harry's cousin-in-law Sophie Winkleman. An actress in the UK before she married Lord Freddie Windsor, they moved to LA post-marriage where she continued to work and act, under her maiden name. She uses "Lady Windsor" in private and for other public activities.

Right, R131, because the BRF have been so good at banning Meghan from doing whatever she wants. That bottle will have a gold crown as a bottle topper, just watch. At least Meghan will finally get her crown.

R125, you stressed in your post that for the Sussexes to succeed, they will need to be well-advised. I agree, and will take it a step further. Not only do they need to be well-advised, they need to heed that good advice. MM has shown time and time again that she does not take advice at all and always thinks her way is the best way, usually with not-great results. She did a mighty fine job of barrelling through the royal family, but the devil is in the details. Details are never her strong suit and she's not willing to have someone around who excels at details and can fill the gaps for her. She has to do it all herself. This will become her downfall.

As for Harry. I've always generally thought he seemed a nice enough lad-ish sort of bloke. After seeing that Iger video, I have changed my opinion of him completely. He's as bad as she is. He seemed completely pathetic in that video.

Looks like Twitter has removed the video. They'll let Trump post anything, but remove that video? Hmmm.

At the moment I tend to agree with that assessment r133. Let's hope for positive thinking's sake it doesn't come to pass. Quality guidance - and following it - will be mission critical for the Sussexes in the coming weeks/months. I hope they obtain it.

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Not that anyone at Frogmore or BP reads DL, but a sort of model for guidance for H&M might be someone like the late Prince Rupert Loewenstein, brilliant finanical advisor to Mick Jagger and the Stones for many years, during their heyday (late 60's to 2000s). Known to have one foot in the high life (euro royalty, high finance) and one in the "low" (rock music) he was genius at straddling both worlds.

He fulfilled many roles: financial and investment advisor, brand manager, tax consultant. Was the unheralded force behind the huge successful juggernaut they are today - when they could have ended up washed out/drugged up and in fiscal trouble as so many of their UK invasion counterparts did: recall, the Beatles had so much trouble with Apple Records and their ongoing brand, mostly because of poor guidance and internecine battles as to who would financially manage it all (Klein, Eastman, etc).

H&M likely aren't going to trust anyone from BP/CH to assist them, and I'm not certain Meg's current roster of help in LA is going to fit the bill for them either. They need to go outside the box and really choose wisely. What they do choose to do could go haywire very easily.

Sooner than we think Harry will be back in the bosom of his family and that old black woman will be appearing on infomercials . Without the royal family neither are interesting enough to stand out on their own. Had Harry not been a royal,his shenanigans would have merely been douche bro instead of "Oh that Harry " . He'll find out,as will MM.

Ha! ha, deluded! The BRF live by different rules than the bicycle monarchies such as Sweden and the defunct ones like Romania, Yugoslavia and Greece.

R136, that’s exactly right. No doubt MM has received lots of advice and guidance, but it falls upon deaf ears.

“Save it. I don’t want to hear it.”

Yes R120 and Sweden is one of those bicycle monarchies. The BRF have higher standards, sniff.

Yes R120 and Sweden is one of those bicycle monarchies. The BRF have other standards.

How would ‘market rent’ be calculated for Frogmore House? It’s on the grounds of Windsor Castle.

R142 Market rent is the point at which demand meets supply.

[quote] And that's the key point. Those ex-royals shill because they have to. No kingdom, no money.

R125, the Greek ex-royals are actually billionaires. Because the Crown Prince got hitched to the heiress daughter of an international billionaire (from the Miller family).

Yet, R144, these ex-royals yearn to have their kingdoms back. Money is a poor substitute for a crown lost.

[quote] Alabama and Massachusetts are in the same country, have the same language, etc. yet they are far, far more different to each other than Poland and Denmark are.

F122, oh stop. Don’t be ridiculous. The Danish are hybrid-socialists-lite, the Poles are right-wing conservatives who don’t even allow gays to get married. The UK does not need that shitshow - let the EU fight with those homophobic "members" if it wants to. If you’re so eager, you’re free to live in Slavic countries and be treated as a 2nd-rate citizen who is not afforded the same rights as the straights. But no one needs the Poles to have unlimited access to the UK and for all homophobes there to have unrestricted rights to move here.

[quote] The "threat" to the EU identified in the article you posted is not that a member-state is equivocating on something but political interference in the judicial system - just like you have in the USA.

How many times does this need to be repeated for you. Poland signed the EU agreement and must follow EU laws. If it suddenly doesn’t want to - fine, then it should kiss goodbye to the handouts it gets from the EU and bugger off. The US does NOT give a heck about EU laws - the US is a DIFFERENT country on a DIFFERENT continent and can do whatever it wants.

[quote] I've been to a couple of great Syrian restaurants in Budapest and met an Iranian carpetseller who has a shop there. Yes, some countries have more of a problem with migrants than others. Big deal, doesn't mean anything is collapsing.

The fact that you munched on a Syrian kebab in Hungary is soooo ‘important’, lol :). The point was those countries do NOT abide by EU rules. A ‘union’ where some nations follow the rules, while other nations just beg for $$$ and spit on the rules is a screwed-up union. I never said a screwed-up union is “collapsing” - I said it was a clusterfuck. Britain doesn’t want to get embroiled in that Slavic trainwreck.

The monarchy will go on with William and Kate and their children. George will be the first openly gay King, William has already said he’ll be supportive of his children regardless of being gay. Charlotte herself or her children will then take over from George after he dies.

^R122, that is

R143 So 15,000 pounds a month then, maybe?

In 2008 the rent for a five-bedroom apartment in Kensington Palace was set at 10k a month, which seems ridiculous.

Harry will be welcomed back into the fold when the time comes.

[quote] In 2008 the rent for a five-bedroom apartment in Kensington Palace was set at 10k a month, which seems ridiculous.

Cheap at twice the price.

[quote] In 2008 the rent for a five-bedroom apartment in Kensington Palace was set at 10k a month, which seems ridiculous.

Cheap at twice the price.

That Ohanian tweet, if I’m interpreting it correctly, is savage.

It’s funny, because the other day I saw a little thing about Serena’s latest win, and wondered if MM would surface from her anxiety to congratulate her BEST FRIEND. (I didn’t check to see if she did, though...)

And I haven’t seen anything from the Clooneys, either. They used to come out swinging, to defend MM.

R153 - George Clooney is keeping his mouth shut now that his wife Amal is attached to the Prince's Trust. He wouldn't want to offend Charles now by sticking up for Meghan.

“No comment”

[quote] longtime best friend

sure megjan

I’m too lazy to bother going to twitter but what does his tweet say?

Nothing very specific.

"Go it alone." So easy to say, but....THE MONEY, HONEY.

R90

Problem is that MM is not a British citizen, only having a temporary visa to remain due to marriage. She must abide by laws same as anyone else seeking citizenship via marriage which includes residing in GB for a certain period of time. More time MM spends out of UK (not sure if Canada counts) pushes that process back.

As a UK citizen PH can spend much time as he likes in Canada, but to enter USA he can only do so under visa waiver (90 days max), same as anyone else travelling from GB to USA. To have permanent residence MM and PH would have to begin process of making the duke of Sussex a citizen by marriage. If or when such a visa was issued he cannot leave US soil without good reasons or it affects said process (same as for UK).

Markle woman and their child hold US citizenship and passports, they can go and come from Canada and or GB often as they like.

None of this begins to touch complicated tax situation faced by MM (and extension PH if they file joint returns). Long as MM is a US citizen she will be required to file returns with IRS. Ditto for Archie if he earns or is given income exceeding standard deduction (IIRC).

[quote][R153] - George Clooney is keeping his mouth shut now that his wife Amal is attached to the Prince's Trust. He wouldn't want to offend Charles now by sticking up for Meghan.

This is precisely the problem for H&M, and their celebrity "pals" and associates. Many, like the Clooneys, need to stay on the good side of Charles or other BRF members. TQ is Head of State, not just some old lady prancing around in a crown for our comic relief: as such she garners respect and more importantly tremendous power in nearly all circles.

That can even extend to the entertainment world, eg: I don't believe that Oprah or Gayle King (with her multi-millon $ CBS contract and role) would jump fast to conduct a tell-all with the Sussexes, not if it would damage or enrage TQ or BRF. Too many corporate and social connections and major ramifications for both of them. Oprah isn't a celebrity, she's a corporate powerhouse and dependent as such on stable associations with world leaders on all fronts and stages.

IOW, she ain't risking her professional reputation or neck to give Dim & Sparkles a public platform to air their opinionated dirty laundry against the UK Head of State OR her heirs. Hence, all her recent quiet after the big bombs last week.

Details r160, pesky details! How you bore us with this irritating ridiculous trivia. H&M are just trying to LIVE THEIR LIVES. They need their freedom from the horrible oppressive life they've had, under the thumb of the dominating Queen and petulant jealous Wills! Life atre-modelled Frogmore so stifling and boring. Cutting ribbons is so beneath them and their GLOBAL SUPERSTAR status!

Taxes are for peasants and NOT superstars. Spare us all the nonsense.

The Ohanian tweets, hmm. Did he accompany Serena to the wedding? Can't help but wonder if Meghan has been trying to butter him up, soliciting more than just "friendship." Makes one think that Meghan's trip to the U.S. Open had a more private and primary objective than supporting her friend on the court. Ohanian didn't get to where he is by being as dim-witted as Harry and he's been swimming with much more ruthless sharks than Meghan for his entire career. It probably took only a couple of conversations (if even that) with her to figure out what she's all about. He also has Serena's ear, so that might explain Serena's silence and lack of overt support for Meghan. If this scenario is true, Meghan really overestimated her abilities.

For those who don't understand (Austrian) German:

Only yesterday Queen Elizabeth II allowed her grandson Harry to resign from his functions as Royal and become financially independent. But after only a few hours on the job market, Harry makes a U-turn and begs to be allowed to return to the bosom of the royal family.

"Would you also take eleven decagram of instead of ten- ah fuck it, cut that fucking pork sausage up yourself, I'm going home," says Prince Harry unnerved, throws his working clothes on the floor and leaves the supermarket branch in Hackney.

"Seriously, I just can't that fucking job. I've tried over 30 jobs, but one was worse than the other. Why does everybody do that? Are they insane? Wage work is hell", says Prince Harry, while he has a servant at the urinal in Kensington Palace shake off his penis. The royal scion has suffered a slipped disc, a massive sleep disorder and suicidal depression in just one working day.

*I just can't take that fucking job

Chaturbate here I cum.

Harry was also rather irritated and confused by the customs in a restaurant: "I ordered the French escargots just as usual, but when I wanted to leave, the waiter brought me a piece of paper with numbers on it, and then he wanted some other pieces of paper with faces of dead people and old buildings on them. I think they call it "money" or something like that out there."

They’ll all vilify the mean old racist British press, but no one will criticize The Queen on this.

At Buckingham Palace they want to give the prodigal son a second chance, as Queen Elizabeth II explains: "Everyone of us tries crazy things at some point, wants to live it up. I, too, had a rebellious phase as a teenager and used to do my own hair instead of resorting to my 142,642 hairstylists, each of which having been responsible for a single hair".

R167 One of the pieces of paper had grannies picture on it.

They will be fine . Meg will make lots of money using her connection to Harry. Harry will not do much. And I am sure they will earn enough not to have to wait on themselves. Even if Harry leaves Meg she will obviously be fine left to her own resources. They could achieve everything they think they can. Except being King and Queen. Which is what really irks them because he is more popular. They feel slighted because they thought Will would let Harry be equal to him and Harry and Archie weren't in the picture of the heirs. Some of you say the will be richer and more popular than the BRF. So? It doesn't matter. The heirs are going to be part of the government, not some popularity contest.

[quote] As a UK citizen PH can spend much time as he likes in Canada.

Wrong

The Queen doesn't need this kind of bullshit at her age and after her very long and mostly successful reign. Harry knows the set up - the queen is the head of his family and Commonwealth AND the source of his entire identity. It's really obnoxious that he let Meghan stamp her feet. She probably blackmailed him to do this stunt without going through the Queen, privately and politely. I'm sure they could have had the same result and without this vulgar disrespect.

I don't blame them for wanting to try something that must feel revolutionary to Harry. BUT, don't bite the hand that feeds.

[quote]I don't blame them for wanting to try something that must feel revolutionary to Harry. BUT, don't bite the hand that feeds.

This^^ a million times.

The statement of defence is out in Mountbatteness-Windsor's lawsuit against the Daily Mail.

Tricky period coming up.... The Mail doesn't seem frightened.

[quote] The legal proceedings are being funded privately by the couple and any proceeds will be donated to an anti-bullying charity.

Says the BBC. If M&H lose, they will be condemned to pay the Wail's costs.

Can you bring the details of the Telegraph piece over r175, it's paywalled. Perhaps a summary.

^ LOL... only because you admitted you're cheap. xo

The Duche$$ of $ussex just wanted to protect her privacy.

Last autumn she declared she was suing a British newspaper over the publication of excerpts of a letter she had sent her father Thomas Markle, accusing him of breaking her heart “into a million pieces”. The bombshell announcement was made on the penultimate day of an (up to then anyway) successful Royal tour of southern Africa.

The Duchess must have hoped the threat of legal action would have brought a halt to what she perceived as the Mail on Sunday’s campaign against her.

But on Tuesday night, any chance of putting a lid on the rift with her father - and further adverse newspaper reports - appeared to have been blown sky high.

The defence document lodged yesterday in the High Court in London exposes in full their deteriorating relationship while accusing the Duchess of allegedly being - in part at least - an architect of her own breach of privacy. It suggests that when she wrote the letter to her father, she was aware it would likely end up in the public domain.

The letter’s existence only came to light six months after it was written when a US magazine, briefed by friends of the Duchess, made mention of it.

The 44-page defence submitted by Associated Newspapers, the owners of the Mail on Sunday, contains details of text messages and phone calls between the Duke and Duchess and Mr Markle both in the run-up to and in the aftermath of their wedding on May 19th 2018.

After days of largely excoriating criticism of the Duke and Duchess for wanting to quit as ‘senior’ Royals, the Mail on Sunday’s legal defence is probably the last thing they needed. The newspaper is refusing to back down and has seemingly signed up Mr Markle as its star witness. The court case, whenever it should take place, is likely to be the trial of the century with the Duchess pitted against her father in the witness box. It won’t be pretty and the loser will be facing a legal bill running into the millions.

The defence document is quick to point out that the Royal family are public figures supported “largely by public funds”. The security bill for their wedding, held in Windsor castle, says the legal defence by way of example, cost the taxpayer £30million. The Duchess, 38, enjoys the lifestyle of someone with ‘extreme wealth or elite connections’ flying to Ibiza, again by example, on a private jet, it claims.

At the heart of the case is the letter - given the capitalised significance The Letter in the court documents - sent by the Duchess to her father in August 2018, after the wedding he had missed.

Mr Markle, 75, insists he was too sick to travel after suffering a heart problem. But prior to the wedding, he had been caught out - ironically perhaps by the Mail on Sunday itself - arranging with a photographer staged photographs showing him preparing for the wedding. These were then sold to newspapers around the world and Mr Markle received his fee.

In the week before the wedding father and daughter had been on good terms, according to the defence document. On May 10, Mr Markle sent his daughter a text about “looking forward to trying on my [wedding] shoes” and ending it “Have a good night. I love you dad.”

But a day or two later they had an awkward phone conversation in which Mr Markle admitted to staging the photographs and that an article was about to appear.

On May 14, the defence document alleges, he wrote to the Duchess stating “that he loved her and that he would not be attending the wedding and that he was going to make a public apology to the Claimant and Prince Harry.”

He received a “text response from Prince Harry saying that he (Mr Markle) did not need to apologise and that he should call.”

But on the same day Mr Markle insists he “began to feel very ill with shortness of breath and chest pains” and went into hospital in California where he wad diagnosed with “suspected congestive heart failure”.

Thomas Markle Senior, is spotted reading up on Prince Harry and his daughter at an internet cafe Mr Markle was caught arranging with a photographer staged photographs showing him preparing for the wedding CREDIT: JEFF RAYNER On May 16, according to the defence documents, Mr Markle “underwent an emergency heart procedure” and “on the same day he texted the Claimant to let her know that he had undergone surgery and would not be able to attend the wedding because his doctors would not allow him to fly, and said he was sorry for not being there”.

The defence alleges he later received a text response signed ‘Love M and H’, “but which read as if it was from Prince Harry... admonishing Mr Markle for talking to the press and telling him to stop and accusing Mr Markle of causing hurt to his daughter.”

The defence goes on: “The text did not ask how the surgical procedure had gone or how Mr Markle was or send him good wishes.”

Mr Markle, the Mail on Sunday alleges, was “deeply hurt and responded with a curt message: ‘I’ve done nothing to hurt you Meghan or anyone else.”

Mr Markle received no further messages from his daughter, according to the legal document, until being sent the letter in August 2018, some months after the wedding.

Excerpts from the letter were published in the Mail on Sunday on 10 February 2019, six months after it was sent, under the headline: “Revealed: The letter showing the true tragedy of Meghan’s rift with a father she says has ‘broken her heart into a million pieces’.”

The letter’s existence had been first made public four days earlier in an article published in People, a US magazine, which claimed that five of the Duchess’s closest friends wanted to set “the record straight”.

A “longtime friend” had told People magazine that even up to the night before the wedding the Duchess was trying to contact her father, sending him a message “Please pick up. I love you, and I’m scared.”

One headline in People magazine online stated: “The Truth About Meghan Markle’s dad - and the Letter She Wrote Him After the Wedding.”

In its legal submission, Associated Newspapers alleges that the People magazine account had “depicted Mr Markle as having acted unreasonably and unlovingly, having cold-shouldered his daughter and being solely to blame for the estrangement”.

The newspaper adds: “This was a one-sided and or/misleading and false narrative.”

The defence submission adds: “The Claimant’s privacy rights do not extend to silencing her father.”

Excerpts from the letter were published in the Mail on Sunday on 10 February 2019

In its legal defence submitted to the High Court, the Mail on Sunday argues that the “letter was written and sent by the Claimant [Duchess of Sussex] with a view to it being read by third parties and/ or disclosed to the public, alternatively knowing that the same was very likely”.

The defence submission states: “The Letter does not appear to contain the Claimant’s deepest and most private thoughts but to be an admonishment by the Claimant of her father for failing to behave as she would have wished.

“Amongst other things, she accused him of breaking her heart, manufacturing pain, being paranoid, being ridiculed, fabricating stories, of attacking Prince Harry, and continually lying.”

The newspaper alleges that the Duchess had taken “great care over its presentation” adding: “The Letter appears to have been immaculately copied out by the Claimant in her own elaborate handwriting from a previous draft. There are no crossings-out or amendments as there usually are with a spontaneous draft. It is to be inferred also from the care the Claimant took over the presentation of the letter that she anticipated it being disclosed to and read by third parties.”

The defence claim goes on: “It [the Letter] rehearses the Claimant’s version of the history of her relationship with her father and her family in a way that strongly suggests the Claimant wanted or expected third parties to read it.”

The legal documents adds: “Except for receipt of the letter, Mr Markle has not heard from his daughter since he wrote to tell her he was too ill to attend her wedding, nor has he ever been introduced to or met Prince Harry or their son, his grandson.”

Meghan allegedly contacted close friend Jessica Mulroney to make sure a favorable article about the letter was published CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES Associated Newspapers says that the Duchess had not “complained to People magazine... about the publication of any of the information in the People interview, either on the grounds that it contains private information published without her consent or that it is inaccurate.”

The newspaper insists the letter sent to Mr Markle was his property and “he was entitled to give it to whomever he chose”. It also argues that Mr Markle had the right to publish his “account of events” in the wake of the People magazine article.

The publishers also claim that Kensington Palace has “refused to comment on whether the sources for the People interview had given the interview or co-operated at the request of the Claimant, or with her consent, express or tacit.” It adds: “The Claimant herself has not at any time denied this fact.”

Associated Newspaper goes further in its defence document, alleging that on another occasion in April 2018, the Duchess enlisted a ‘close friend of hers, Jessica Mulroney, to intervene” after another friend Gina Nelthorpe-Cowne, a former commercial adviser, had given an interview to the Mail on Sunday. After the interview - but before it was published - the newspaper approached Jason Knauf, the Duke of Sussex’s then communications secretary, notifying him of the interview’s contents.

Associated newspapers, in its legal defence, then alleges that on the same day the Duchess contacted Ms Mulroney “to try to ensure that a more favourable article was published”. Ms Mulroney, the newspaper alleges, wrote to Ms Nelthorpe-Cowne requesting she withdraw or change the statements she had given.

I don't know why people are taking anything these two (or anything the Royals do for that matter), quite so personally. Meghan will make Harry leave the RF to prove his love for her and their sprog. By the end of the year Meghan, tired of hustling on her own to make money, will cut Harry loose (because work is something that he is ill prepared to do). Harry will drift slowly back into the orbit of the Royals, because what else is he going to do? At the first sign of having to go out and do real work, Harry will start with Bea and Eug, then start working on other royals, because compared to doing real work cutting ribbons, opening a bottle of champagne on the hull of a ship, or moving a quarters worth of dirt at a ground breaking is a good deal. Will will be the last one won over, but he will come around. Then all everyone has to do is look forward to Harry's Horrible Choice Part II.

This just in from LA Times. Mayor Garcetti, all around good guy and suck up is going to make two square miles in LA a Commonwealth. Yup, all the Brits will have a place to go for tea, rentboys and not be subject to US law. Think Indian Tribe Casino land, but more tacky.

It will be gated of course , construction on Megsies and Harry the main man's estate will be started this summer.

I hope the natural beauty Jessica Mulroney is called to testify.

Should delight her in-laws.

Mattel Mulroney (Copyright: DL) would be a natural on the witness stand. This while saga is getting richer every day. Or as Michael K terms it: Har-Meg-eddon

[quote]Then all everyone has to do is look forward to Harry's Horrible Choice Part II.

Good god no! but you know it's coming.

Thanks so much r179 - r182. So much tawdry detail. What are they hoping to gain with the suit? Even if by chance they win, do they actually think the UK media will let up on them?

Years from now, when the books are written with insider commentary, we'll shake our heads at the chaotic decisions made by these two, and the disordered weirdness that took over their.

Oh for fuck's sake, these these two cunts won't be "going it alone." They'll have security at all times (who's going to pay for THAT? Them? Hah!) and will have plenty of celebrity and billionaire sycophants sucking up to them in order to bask in the glow of the famous Sparkle and Dimwit. "Go it alone", my ass.

[quote] It won’t be pretty and the loser will be facing a legal bill running into the millions.

That's the sting. You lose you pay, bitch.

R120, King Oscar and Queen Marie were on their thrones when they shilled those products, they needed the money.

Royalty still acknowledges each other as royal even if the throne doesn’t exist anymore. Prince George can marry a great great granddaughter of the last Yugoslav monarch, and even though the country is gone, it still be considered an Equal marriage.

[quote] Royalty still acknowledges each other as royal even if the throne doesn’t exist anymore.

Sometimes. The King of the Hellenes is well respected by the Queen and the King of Spain. It's always a family thing. Sometimes the family thing doesn't work: no Romanovs married into the BRF. I doubt if any Romanovs are even received by the Queen.

[quote]no Romanovs married into the BRF. I doubt if any Romanovs are even received by the Queen.

What?

[quote]It’s possible that Meghan is a conniving harpy who got her claws in Harry and is wrenching him away from his family and role. It’s also possible that Harry wanted out and found a hardheaded woman who was willing to be the media bad guy and help him break free.

Co-dependency is a hell of a drug

[quote]Whether it works out for them in the long run or not what really upsets the Queen is that she can no longer control her family.

This a huge part of the problem.

[quote]It's the "independence" part that will need calibrating. We'll see how it turns out.

[quote]M has shown time and time again that she does not take advice at all and always thinks her way is the best way, usually with not-great results. She did a mighty fine job of barrelling through the royal family, but the devil is in the details.

Let's check in on them in 6-12 months. I don't trust the BRF to just let them their own thing. Nor do I believe the Sussexes have the smarts to navigate post-royal life.

[quote]We’ve already seen Harry doing the hard sell for his wife to the head of Disney (!) at a Royal event.

At least we know he call sell. A very useful business attribute.

[quote] model for guidance for H&M might be someone like the late Prince Rupert Loewenstein, brilliant finanical advisor to Mick Jagger and the Stones

The problem here is brilliant.

[quote]the Greek ex-royals are actually billionaires. Because the Crown Prince got hitched to the heiress daughter of an international billionaire (from the Miller family).

Charlotte will marry a super-billionaire. It's in her Middleton genes.

Poseurs? I most heartily agree, Granny!

Maybe their need for financial independence stems from the need to make serious bank regarding this lawsuit.

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There is some weird shit in their filing for Quoil Limited. All the names of the subsequent directors since the Sussexes resigned their Directorship a few days ago sound completely made up. "Mr Aqiba Soulja" Really? Soulja? Also, every director appointed in the last few days has a first name of either Aqib, Aqibsa, Aqiba

Also, note the most recent registered address change to "125 Richblonde Sweet Glasgow G1 1XQ" Richblonde Sweet? Come on. A) there is no such address B)

Someone is taking the piss.

The leaking and stories begin. From People's cover story on H&M, leaving the "toxic" Windsors:

[quote]“There is so much bad blood in that family — it’s toxic.” The friend adds, “If relationships had been better, things would have been different.”

Sure. As if Meghan doesn't know much about 'toxic' families. Pot calling kettle much. Nothing like paying back your super-wealthy and by all accounts kind FIL and Grandmother-in-law, by labeling them 'toxic'. But wait.....

[quote]The negative press they endured and Meghan’s outsider status as a biracial American left her “deeply, deeply hurt,” says a source close to the royal household — and feeling unsupported by the royal family. “Meghan and Harry didn’t feel they got enough comfort or solace from them,” says the source.

So they're terribly toxic, but at same time they didn't feel comforted enough by them, or hand-held enough. What are they, three?

And what pray tell did they need "solace" for? Did their pet die or something, did they lose a limb and we didn't notice? Did the $million extra daddy Charles gave them to furnish their $3 mil house, not make them feel better? BS re negative press.

What is Quoil limited r198? is it a non-profit.

A Croatian outlet looked into Quoil, which is a Scottish outfit working with "licensed and unlicensed restaurants, pubs and bars". It could be a hoax. Translated:

[quote]But what’s most interesting about the whole story has happened in the last few days. On December 27, 2019, Aquib Shuja, a 29-year-old Scottish citizen, opened Quoil Limited, which works with licensed and unlicensed restaurants, pubs and bars in describing its business.

[quote]On January 5, 2020, Anthony Young was joined by the Secretary, while on January 11, the name Sussex Royal The Foundation of the Duke and Duchess of Sussex was entered as director. Any searches on the people in question do not produce any results, and the Aqulana Shuya Linkedln profile, which is visible on the Internet, does not actually exist.

[quote]Things get more interesting after yesterday's meeting. Sussex Royal The Duke and Duchess Foundation of Sussex resigned as director on January 13, with Secretary Anthony Young resigning today, January 14, leaving only Quoil Limited the Aquib Shuja in question.

[quote]Afterwards, Aquib Shuja changes its name first to Aquib Soulja and then to Aquib Lora Shujata, with Dr. Keena Nark enrolled as secretary. What exactly is going on is not clear to anyone, and whether all this has anything to do with yesterday's meeting or any other topic is yet to be revealed.

Private jets, helicopters, seaplanes, important cars....traveling, traveling, always traveling, these famous folks. They never seem to sit still.

The King of The Hellenes (Greece) is very friendly with the British Royal Family. The king of Greece and Prince Charles is best friends, and the king is godfather to Prince William.

On 1 July 1995, the wedding of Crown Prince Pavlos and Marie-Chantal Miller brought together the largest gathering of royalty in London since Queen Elizabeth II married Prince Philip in 1947 and more crowned heads were in attendance than at the wedding of Charles, Prince of Wales and Lady Diana Spencer.

Hey... crazy theory..:

What if they’re going to lose the case against the Daily Mail and need to separate from the RBF to protect their assets? So that the Mail and court can’t touch that money...

I shit you not, I know a Croatian in NYC named Anthony Young. His family has big bucks. Big. Off to dig around.

R192

Wrong!

R192

Second "wrong"

"In June, 1959, the widowed seventy-seven year old Mrs. Nikolai Kulikovsky of 2130 Camilla Road in Cooksville, Ontario, [now part of Missisauga] received a royal invitation. Queen Elizabeth II and Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh would be hosting a luncheon on the royal yacht Britannia during their visit to Toronto as part of their Canadian tour and requested the presence of the Grand Duchess Olga Alexandrovna and her elder son, Tikhon Kulikovsky. For the last time, Olga’s early experiences as a Russian Grand Duchess, the sister of Emperor Nicholas II and the cousin of King George V, ..."

I highly doubt the Queen of Engliand was anything but polite to Duchess Meghan. Harry and Meghan needed to take the high road about yellow press. The two of them were sitting pretty. I don't believe they are thin skinned about the press. This move is not logical. Meghan is showing herself to be such a self-sabotaging cunt in this story.

R198 “125 Richblonde Sweet Glasgow”

According to Google maps there is no such address.

She Wants to go after Goop as the queen of lifestyle gurus for the social climbing trophy wives, except more woke! Say what you will about Goop, she never cared about them jellus unwashed masses hating on her. Mehghahn will be 45 someday and Harry will lose his hair; the baby royals will be entering their teens, there really is an urgency to do this now.

LOL...I just saw that Meghan is still repped by the same team she had while working on Suits and they're making all these "big" deals.

She was with B list management. She doesn't have the same level of reps as say Leonardo DiCaprio, or Oprah or even Goop...she's about 25 rungs down the ladder from that. And, being a Royal hasn't really changed that because the Powers That Be realize the Spares to the British Throne don't have a ton of worth. Not to mention that her Hollywood team is incapable of negotiating anything too grand and prestigious for Team Markle.

[quote]Meghan and Harry didn’t feel they got enough comfort or solace from them

I am starting to understand why the family was so concerned about their mental fragility. How fucking old are they?

You just know, some poor sap has been given the task of peddling the idea of "The Meghan Markle, Duchess of Sussex Fashion Collection" to Macys.

Mud colored shirt dresses.

Harry will be on the board at Disney or some other company or institution. Selling T-shirts and plates, lol, that's not what a Royal would have to do to become "financially independent" He'll get his seat and a generous compensation package, Disney will get to associate itself with an actual HRH, and the BRF can rest assured knowing Disney is large enough to fend off any scandal that would tarnish the monarchy. The illusion of access to the British government will leave plenty of other seats open to Harry as well, as long as Harry steaks clear of playing into the illusion himself, he'll be able to collect quite a lot playing musical board chairs.

R213

Macy's wouldn't touch the stuff; QVC however might be interested.

from the Mail: "If the case goes before a judge, the paper said it would ask for Meghan to be forced to hand over all communications in which she had 'caused or permitted her friends to provide information about her to the media or to seek to influence what is published about her'.

I imagine there's nothing unkind or sarcastic or inappropriate in a text or email between Megalomaniac and the So-ho set. I hope it's true Harry can't read. Might buy her some time.

Why didnt Harry just abdicate 10 years ago, as drama free as possible then go on to marry any of his super rich heiress long term girlfriends who refused to marry him because he is a prince? He is a drama queen and likes being a celeb obviously, but only if the press fawns on him.

From the Telegraph: As well as confirming the existence of the letter, the unnamed “sisterhood” told People that Mr Markle had never contacted his daughter, claiming that the Duchess was “calling, texting, even up to the night before the wedding” on May 19, 2018 after he had to pull out following an emergency heart procedure.

But according to the court documents, the last message Mr Markle received was a text allegedly sent on May 17 “admonishing him for talking to the press, telling him to stop and accusing him of causing hurt to his daughter”. It was purportedly signed: “Love M and H.” The defence also claims the couple “did not ask how he was or how the surgery had gone”.

The document includes details as to how Mr Markle felt “hung out to dry” and that no one came to see him ahead of the wedding, whereas the Duchess’s mother, Doria Ragland, had been personally informed of the royal engagement by two British embassy officials who visited her Los Angeles home.

Questioning claims that the Duchess called him 20 times when he was in hospital, the defence alleges Mr Markle did not receive “any cards or well wishes” and even contradicts the Duchess’s claim that she funded herself through university, saying: “Mr Markle had supported the Claimant throughout her childhood and youth. He had paid her private school fees. He had paid all her college tuition, and after she left Northwestern University he continued to pay off her student loans, even after she had landed a well-paid role in Suits.”

I feel sorry for her dad. He's not perfect but...she really is a narcissistic user. Unlike many divorced dads, he did support her for many, many years.

As for her mom, she always looks like she'd like to be far away from the limelight. She also seems ill at ease around her crazy daughter.

R121, Harry served in the active-duty military. I'm sure he'll be just fine.

Meghan knows that Brad Pitt is single and starting to date again. She's got a few years left to have more children and he wants more bio-children that are not affiliating with Jolie...

I'm calling it now. Meg and Brad will be "friends" and he will eventually knock her up. Brad has more money than Harry.

R217

One, there is no formal process for abdication, and it only applies to monarchs anyway. To remove Edward VIII Parliament simply declared a demise had occurred in the crown and thus brought George V's second son to throne. This one reason why even if Duke of Windsor managed to breed of Wallis Simpson such children wouldn't likely have claims to throne, the dead don't reproduce.

Two, it has been posted several times already; if PH truly wanted out of being a royal all he had to do was petition HM (see link to Princess Patricia of Connaught, later Lady Patricia Ramsay after her marriage), to issue letters patent doing so.

"Upon her marriage Princess Patricia, voluntarily relinquished the style of Royal Highness and the title of Princess of Great Britain and Ireland and assumed the style of Lady Patricia Ramsay. However, Lady Patricia remained a member of the British Royal Family, remained in the line of succession, and attended all major royal events including weddings, funerals, and the coronations."

Granted Princess Patricia was a cousin of George V, not his child or grandchild, but never the less

Such letters patent if granted could be made to deal with fact PH would be entitled to HRH and rank of prince "again" as son of sovereign once PC Charles inherits throne.

Parliament and the Parliaments of the Dominions gave assent to the Instrument of Abdication that King Edward VIII signed in the presence of TRH the Dukes of York, Kent and Gloucester, who thereafter affixed their own signatures.

To be clear; when one says there isn't a "formal process" for abdication meant just that; it doesn't exist as an option per se. When monarch dies next in line inherits at once unless they have done something to disqualify themselves (violation of Royal Marriages Act or similar).

Whole "abdication crisis" was cooked up by Parliament and perhaps C of E among others who wanted then Prince of Wales, later Edward VIII out.

As sovereign Edward VIII was not bound to seek advice from his ministers or government regarding marrying Wallis Simpson. HM could have married that twice divorced adulteress and still been crowned king. But that would have left a bad taste in then still powerful C of E and others. Even Edward VIII stated he wouldn't take coronation oaths with a lie upon his lips, nor would he marry the woman he loved without consent of his government.

Thus having been maneuvered into seeking said advice (response he was bound to realize was going to be negative), Edward VIII was bound to accept said advice, rest as they say is history.

For record despite what history often says Wallis Simpson never wanted to marry "David", and did her best to dissuade him from abdicating. Mrs. Simpson liked her role as mistress to prince of Wales (later king), and knew full well all the scorn and furore would be laid at her feet. In the end she had not choice but to marry now Duke of Windsor, I mean what does one do when a man has literally given up the world for you?

To show no good deed goes unpunished, Wallis Simpson spent rest of her married life making her husband's life a misery by all accounts. Duke of Windsor was a weak man and whipped husband, sound familiar?

R222 Lady Patsy Ramsay?

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I'm thinking maybe there was a kidnapping threat on the baby.

1. Marry British Prince. 2. Divorce British Prince. 3. Profit.

R228

You'd have to pick one of the dumber one's like PW or PH who don't insist on some sort of marriage contract/pre-up agreement.

Have a very strong hunch Prince Harry may live to regret that decision.

Many thanks to the poster who provided the text from that paywalled article.

R229 England doesn't recognize prenups.

Yes it does.

Following precedent set in the 2010 ground-breaking case of Radmacher v. Granatino, prenuptial agreements are now afforded heavy evidential weight within the UK Family Court, unless considered to be unfair.

Meghan is cunning but does she have a high IQ? Harry is certainly low normal, like mom. I think the Queen is very intelligent.

Ohanian's "veiled" Twitter comments may actually be more weighty than their "nebulous" nature:

[quote]Serena Williams is known to have a close friendship with Meghan Markle but the American tennis legend refused to make any comments about Markle and husband Prince Harry quitting as senior royals when she was asked about the same at this week's ASB Classic in Auckland, according to the NZ Herald.

[quote]The news that Prince Harry and his wife will be quitting as senior royals sent shockwaves throughout Great Britain and the rest of the world. When Serena was asked to comment on the news, she quickly responded, "Oh, I am not touching that - so thank you."

Ruh, roh!

R229

Oh yes England does; but only on a case by case basis as decided by court rulings. There isn't yet a specific law for how to create or administer a pre-nuptial agreement.

That being said marriage contracts/settlements have long existed in England, going back hundreds of years. Virtually all royal marriages were laid out so, and usually nobility as well. When the middle classes and wealthy began moving up in GB, they had such documents draw up upon their daughter's or son's marriage.

Dowager Countess Grantham lived on estate in a house full of servants, a driver, and got an allowance all because it was arranged at time of her marriage. Current Earl Grantham could moan all he wanted about cost of keeping Mama, but that was all he could do really.

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I was always hopeful for Meghan and Harry but as soon as I saw that fright Jessica Mulroney “giving them some Pippa” as she sashayed up the stairs of St George’s Chapel and then later posting Insta shots as she left for the night time reception wearing more frosting than a cheap pink donut, I knew that trouble lay ahead.

Her best friend, trying to steal the spotlight on her friend’s wedding day?

It had “slowly unfolding train wreck” written all over it. It just unravelled even faster than expected.

R236, might have been better for the environment if she didn't take a plane or waited until they moved to someplace where travel to and from home is less damaging to the environment.

[quote] To have permanent residence MM and PH would have to begin process of making the duke of Sussex a citizen by marriage.

Hmm ... how much does “90 Day Fiancé” pay?

R238 MM flew in a small seaplane from Vancouver Island to the mainland. I doubt that it burned much more fuel than an SUV.

Takeoffs and landings use a lot of fuel. But, hey, she needs to show those Windsors...she's being too obvious.

Not only that but the type of fuel they use is worse for the environment than gas.

Klan thread.

R241 So, she's supposed to stay on the island for the rest of her life? It was their vacation spot.

Maybe the environmentalists should have thought about that before taking a house on an island, r244, especially if one wants to do frequent pap walks.

[quote] "Upon her marriage Princess Patricia, voluntarily relinquished the style of Royal Highness and the title of Princess of Great Britain and Ireland and assumed the style of Lady Patricia Ramsay. However, Lady Patricia remained a member of the British Royal Family, remained in the line of succession, and attended all major royal events including weddings, funerals, and the coronations."

Such a cute word "voluntarily", so versatile, and so misleading. Princess Patricia "voluntarily" relinquished her title so she could be allowed to marry Alexander Ramsay. That's like saying, "Oh, I wasn't robbed. I "voluntarily" gave him my purse so he wouldn't murder me."

They had a good marriage that produced one son, but Lady Patricia would comment throughout her life that she wished she had never relinquished the title of Princess. Lady Patricia's daughter-in-law, the Lady Saltoun is still living, aged 89 years. She has confirmed that her mother-in-law was not pleased at becoming "Lady" Patricia after spending more than 33 years as a Princess.

What? Lady Patricia Ramsay???

No, no. No relation.

R236 I guess she needs a photo for instagram today that she can post as soon as the Cambridges set foot in Bradford today. Can't let that pesky Kate get any attention can we Sparkles.

Kate is looking old, worn and lined in recent pictures. Desperately in need of a cosmetic touch up. Anorexics and smokers don't age well.

How many protection officers either from the UK or Canada did it take her to get to the women's shelter and back? And a sea plane, FFS?

I hope an enterprising journo with an appreciation for accounting can tell the Canadian and UK citizens how much it takes to squire Meghan around for her photo ops as she tries to mitigate damage and fallout from her "divorced" from the RF and the UK.

Hey, she's really close to Sarah Palin now. I would love to see a cage match between these two!

"Thomas Markle could testify against Meghan in Mail on Sunday legal battle"

A woman’s shelter, where victims of abuse go - get it?

These two vultures have no idea what go it alone means. Can Harry even afford all of her facial and lip fillers, hair extensions, dye, hair dressers and thats just a start. She is a high maintenance female. Cut them loose with no forth coming monies, home, security. Harry is wealthy enough let him start spending it. Stip the titles.

Eek! "divorce" not "divorced" at R250.

Happier times, before Har-Megh-eddon

The Mounties can look after their security.

"They want “financial independence” while keeping taxpayer-funded security, travel, housing and £2.3 million a year from Prince Charles." £2.3m a year is a tidy sum: will Chaz keep paying his financially independent wayward son and Sparkles?

If those two had ANY idea how this is going down with the public, they'd be lying their asses off:

"Oh, we'll never cost the taxpayer another cent! Prince Charles will pay for a couple of years, because he loves us and cares about our safety! And he isn't giving us money, he's just loaned us venture capital for Sussex Royal, and he'll get every cent back with interest! Because he's a loving father who supports his son's efforts to be financially independent! And remember, we'll never cost the taxpayers a cent! Etc.!!!"

Of course it'd all be lies lies and more lies, but Charles is too gentlemanly to ever say they never paid him back, and it's not like the celebrity journalist who cover this shit know how to dig into who's actually paying for their lifestyle. So they could totally get away with that level of lying, but they can't even be arsed to make the effort.

If those two had ANY idea how this is going down with the public, they'd be lying their asses off:

"Oh, we'll never cost the taxpayer another cent! Prince Charles will pay for a couple of years, because he loves us and cares about our safety! And he isn't giving us money, he's just loaned us venture capital for Sussex Royal, and he'll get every cent back with interest! Because he's a loving father who supports his son's efforts to be financially independent! And remember, we'll never cost the taxpayers a cent! Etc.!!!"

Of course it'd all be lies lies and more lies, but Charles is too gentlemanly to ever say they never paid him back, and it's not like the celebrity journalist who cover this shit know how to dig into who's actually paying for their lifestyle. So they could totally get away with that level of lying, but they can't even be arsed to make the effort.

There is sum ting wong: posts are being duplicated. Can't DL manage a simple website? Mediapolis?

They are going to be very very rich. William can be king but Harry will be a billionaire or damn close to it.

Money makes the world go around...

Oh, the never ending drama with these two!

Instead of ice cream, it’s as though they are serving up a different flavor of shit daily!

[quote] King Oscar of Sweden, from the sardine can

[quote] King Oscar and Queen Marie were on their thrones when they shilled those products, they needed the money.

R111, R191, No, that’s a disingenuous example. The KING and QUEEN of Norway and Sweden (they were rulers of both kingdoms) were not “shilling” random L.A. / Hollywood brands but promoting NORWAY’s (i.e their OWN KINGDOM’S) NATIONAL industry:

[quote] “The King Oscar export brand was founded in 1902, when King Oscar II, ruler of NORWAY and Sweden, gave Chr. Bjelland & Co, one of NORWAY’S LEADING canning companies at the time, special ROYAL PERMISSION to use his name and likeness on a line of sardine products”

Guess what - Norwegians are proud of their country's fishing industry! Just like Queen Elizabeth II gives “royal permission” to British porcelain companies to mention her on their brands. It’s called supporting your OWN kingdom’s economy! It's good to support your own citizens this way.

Whereas the so-called “Duke and Duchess of SUSSEX” are selfish brats who have zero interest in supporting the national industry of the Duchy of Sussex or even Britian in general. The just took their British "Sussex" titles and don’t even want to give back to that community. If they don’t want to represent the Duchy of Sussex in any way - then give up the titles.

MM: Harry your brother can have the racist UK, you with me and by leaving your family, you can have the world!!

[quote] They are going to be very very rich. William can be king but Harry will be a billionaire or damn close to it.

Watch out: taxes are high in Canada.

[quote] I doubt if any Romanovs are even received by the Queen.

QEII does receive some Romanoffs for tea and crumpets, but only because they’re distant relatives, apart from that she doesn’t give a heck about them and doesn’t help them out because they're so obscure. (Most of Europe’s “royal” families are all relatives due to Queen Victoria - she had 9 kids and married them off into virtually every European ‘royal’ family’). The British king, the last German king and the last Russian emperor were all cousins. But the modern Romanoff family is reportedly a complete circus - the descendants are at each other’s throats, lol. There are 2 main branches (2 contradictory male heirs) who BOTH claim they’re the ‘only rightful heir’ (not to the throne, because there isn’t any, but just out of hubris, lol) - and therefore the 2 branches are generally not even on speaking terms with each other.

I think the point about the Romanoffs was that virtually no one gives a heck about those 2 ex-royal, in-fighting "crown-princes" (Prince Georgi vs. Prince Andrew Romanoff). Nobody even knows who the heck they are or where they currently live. No other "royal" in their right mind will marry them either because they're not that rich. They've fallen into complete obscurity.

[quote] Prince George can marry a great great granddaughter of the last Yugoslav monarch, and even though the country is gone, it still be considered an Equal marriage.

No, it doesn't always work that way, R191. Because even among Yugoslavian so-called "royalty" there are internal rules which make some descendants have "questionable" status, making them not "truly" 'royal'. It all depends on each monarchy's "rulebook". For example, the Romanoffs have a rulebook that says that only males can be crown successors, and “morganatic” marriages (marriages to people of lower rank) invalidate any title succession rights of any children produced in such a marriage. So e.g. if the grand-daughter of the last monarch marries a non-aristocrat travelling car-salesman - their kid may not even be considered "royal".

I'm struggling to understand these posters saying Harry and Meghan are going to make millions, much less billions. The thought is ridiculous! Literally EVERY SINGLE celeb that had spoken out for them previously, have backed up and are putting out statements distancing themselves from this shit show. No, they are toxic now. It was already going to be difficult as neither are interesting people or have any relevant accomplishments.

I'm struggling to understand these posters saying Harry and Meghan are going to make millions, much less billions. The thought is ridiculous! Literally EVERY SINGLE celeb that had spoken out for them previously, have backed up and are putting out statements distancing themselves from this shit show. No, they are toxic now. It was already going to be difficult as neither are interesting people or have any relevant accomplishments.

What the heck R267?

Brands are what they represent to people, made by judgments about the provenance of the brand.

Personally, there are few identifiable logos I like wearing. My personal brand is... no brand. I'd rather a navy blue polo from Target, with nothing on it, than a Brooks brother's sheep in a sling or whatever the hell they have going on. I will wear Polo a bit and Lacoste always because they represent classics. And while I don't consider myself a classic, simple is my style. Donald Trump, when he was in fashion if he is, the brand using his name often cranked out really, really smart ties. I was always going to buy one then I turned it over, saw Trump, and left it. Never bought one. Trump, for me, worked against the brand. It was revolting because of him (and this was years before his presidency.)

Long way of saying: Is she prepared to be a cheap, mass brand that can sell? Because surely her constituency skews younger and lower middle class and beyond. Who with money or who can think is going to want to wear or own anything brought to market by her? Would you want to wear or own something from $u$$ex Royal?

Ok, R270 - fuck, fuck, fuck. Hope you're happier now.

She's not quite a royal and certainly no role model for Meghan Markle, but Harry's cousin Lady Kitty Spencer is a fairly dignified influencer or whatever you want to call her (in the old days she would have been a "socialite"). She turns up at fashion events and is a spokeswoman for Bulgari but is fairly low key and sweet (ok, she's engaged to a man who's over twice her age, but that's another issue).

R268, an LA correspondent on one of the UK morning shows broke it down this way: big firms (Apple, Netflix) are willing to pay for the proximity to certain celebs. That's why the Obamas raked in millions for a deal with Netfflix, even if they don't do anything in return (apparently they've produced a documentary, though). So, assuming M&H's people get this right (not at all certain), their (supposed) brand as a loved-up biracial family, royal or royal-adjacent renegades and global humanitarians could score them production deals, board positions, etc. And book deals no matter what.

Any small-change commerce will probably be done to raise money for charity (e.g., "all proceeds from the sale of SussexRoyal hoodies go to funding ocean clean-up!") while the big money to underwrite the luxury lifestyle is made elsewhere.

R273, for me, Lady Kitty is from uncanny valley. Something about her face is weird.

wow, what a piece of work. she was the one behind smearing her dad. After all he's done for her, paying for her private school education etc...and there was no text message to ask how he was after his heart surgery, only blame for hurting his daughter because he couldn't attend the wedding coz he had the medical procedure.

fucking ungrateful cunts, this is why i'm glad i don't have kids. fucking ungrateful bastards.

[quote] Lady Kitty is from uncanny valley. Something about her face is weird.

She keeps getting lip injections, that’s why. She was so pretty before.

Poor Thomas Markle is getting smeared all over Twitter, it’s sad.

The notion of a farcical Markle v Markle court trial is just delicious. Nice pick, Harry. Class act, totally suitable.

It's telling that Meghan was willing to throw her father to the wolves just so she could have her lawsuit.

Ironically, it may backfire on her.

R277 She's pretty, but her nose is a bit small for her face. She looks like Jessica Simpson. Diana's long English nose worked better.

r22 oh cut the crap with the altruistic bullshit. those people live on public money, doing no good for the country that a regular president or prime minister couldn't. they are not even british, per se. there's nothing wrong with what meghan did and i wish her all the best.

[quote] they are not even british, per se.

R281, your post is illogical. Markle is even less British. So her living off Brits and expecting them to pay for her bodyguards is even more cringeworthy.

[quote] they are not even british (sic)

If they were born in the UK then they are British. Prince Philip of Greece and Denmark, now Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, was born in Greece. As for the rest...

R274, the Obamas were US president and first lady for 8 years, they are more than just "celebrities". The Obamas are also actually producing things related to the unique experience of being president, they're not starring in ad campaigns. What exactly have Harry and Meghan achieved? Their only claim to mega-fame is the royal connection - but in abandoning the UK and seeking to be "financially independent" they are loosening their British royal family ties. Not to mention, no one will want to ruin their relations with the royal family - given that the monarch is a head of state and not just a celebrity - by having Meghan shill for them.

Harry and Meghan are damaged goods.

And everyone, R284, knows this except Harry and Meghan.

They've been getting bad press now compounded by bad advice.

No one is going to buy overpriced tat so these two can live in luxury.

Boy, Queenie changed her tune quick.

That's called Losing.

Meghan/Harry 1 Queen O

How did she change her tune R286?

HM hasn't sung a note except to bemoan the fact they're leaving (against her, his father's, and his brother's wishes), not to mention them by their titles (foreshadowing?) and to say that everything they've asked for is up for grabs. H&M have already been forced to amend their wish list/website, for example, about security before anything has been decided and the Canadians, anyway, have made it plain they're not going to get stuck with the bill for them as residents - visitors yes but residents, no - especially when it's been made clear their "residency" will last about as long as one in Vegas before decamping to LA. Even residency hasn't been decided because of the tax implications. As an American, she has to pay US taxes on anything she earns wherever she lives. As residents of the UK, they have to pay taxes there and are residents if they spend 90 days a year in Britain. They'll be judged residents of Canada if they spend more than 180 days a year there, so are subject to double or triple taxation.

Queenie not only holds all the cards, she pays for the band. They'll only be playing songs she likes and I suspect one will be from "The Sound of Music" - "So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, goodbye."

R286

I dunno, R284. Of course the Obamas' credentials and gravitas are far greater than Meghan/Harry's, but I imagine their branding team will try to position them in a similar fashion. They're definitely not (yet) mere celebs--they're members of the BRF, experienced ambassadors for the Queen/Commonwealth and have their various good works. In additional, they are truly globally famous and seem to appeal to a youngish demographic. If they limit their exposure and avoid candid situations (she reads as insincere and he as dumb), maybe they'll manage it.

Maybe fucking it up is more likely. The tabloid lawsuit looks like a bad idea--will just drag them through the mud.

[quote] Meghan wants to be Kim Kardashian, at least her lifestyle anyway. She wants a billionaire Kardashian lifestyle. And she probably about to get too.

Meghan is already so much higher than Kim K on the social status ladder that Kim can barely see Meghan's Aquazzuras.

Kim will never socialize with Oprah, HRC or Michelle O.

Meghan and Harry, vultures extraordinaire.

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Great, I hope they expose her for the cunt she is.

This does not bode well for her future celebrity career: One of her biggest mouthpieces, People Magazine, taking a swipe at her

They will divorce, I think that's a foregone conclusions by now.

"Harry's cousin Lady Kitty Spencer is a fairly dignified influencer or whatever you want to call her (in the old days she would have been a "socialite"). "

Kitty Spencer was born with looks, money, aristocratic family, and she's doing what aristocratic girls do - working in a glam field for a few years before marrying well. There's no comparison between someone like her, who was born one step from home plate, and a Meggles who had to fight and scheme and backstab to get anything she wanted out of life.

Well, Meggles may have the balls to fight and scheme and backstab, but really, she's doing it wrong. She's so naked about it, she should be working on looking noble and self-sufficient and thoughtful of the taxpayers money, and she's not even bothering to try. Just brazenly holding up the royal family for money, while they're still reeling from the Andrew scandal.

r296

That is a brilliant article. I'm shocked the couple have so many supporters given the information in that article about how they trademarked their royal names many month's ago shows how disingenuous they are being.

[quote] Just brazenly holding up the royal family for money, while they're still reeling from the Andrew scandal.

The royal family are very long term, the Andrew scandal is merely a recent blip. They're still reeling from the loss of the colonies, much more important!

R295 Stinky linky: "Oops. It looks like you might be lost...The page that you are looking for cannot be found. It may be temporarily unavailable, moved or taken off PEOPLE.com."

Got a better one?

R295's link has been suppressed by PEOPLE.com because Me-Again's lawyers have demanded it be suppressed.

Did the oddly-faced Ms Mulrony ask them to?

I think they'll get endorsements from Apple, Netflix, et al, for those companies to drum up publicity, etc. Harry can sit on the boards. But long term they will need to be successful and they will need to work to be billionaires. Will and Kate, on the other hand, will be billionaires the second they are King and Queen. For just christening ships and cutting ribbons while still having the heads of other countries pandering to them. And the jewels! That some of you don't realize that is why H and M are so upset is just bizarre. But I do believe the two of them like some of you think this is some type of popularity contest between the two brothers and their wives. Kings trump in this world, it is that simple. And Wills is not taking this lying down. He learned some sign language to speak to some knighted whatever. This might actually be good for Will to get him to up his game.

As a comparison, here is Apple's current board:

Arthur D. Levinson, Ph.D. Chairman of the Board, Apple Former Chairman and CEO. Genentech

James A. Bell Former CFO and Corporate President. The Boeing Company

Tim Cook CEO. Apple

Albert Gore Jr. Former Vice President of the United States

Andrea Jung. President and CEO. Grameen America, Inc.

Ronald D. Sugar, Ph.D. Former Chairman and CEO. Northrop Grumman

Susan L. Wagner. Co-Founder and Director. BlackRock

No doubt they're desperate for all that Harry could bring. Why, his advice for the company costume party will be worth the money alone.

"This might actually be good for Will to get him to up his game. "

Will and Kate are certainly getting in some good practice at keeping a stiff upper lip!

Meanwhile, never one to miss an opportunity, Jess is on Instagram showing off her tan and her cleavage. I find her oddly endearing.

Canada’s largest newspaper says Prince Harry and Meghan Markle aren’t welcome to live in the famously friendly country because it’s unconstitutional.

In a scathing editorial, The Globe and Mail says the royal couple’s plan to move to the land of maple syrup and hockey violates laws that keep the once-British-ruled country at arm’s length from their mother monarchy across the pond.

“In response to the sudden announcement of a vague and evolving plan for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex – Prince Harry and Meghan – to move to Canada while remaining part of the Royal Family, the Trudeau government’s response should be simple and succinct: No,” the editorial blasts.

“You are welcome to visit, but so long as you are senior royals, Canada cannot allow you to come to stay … It breaks an unspoken constitutional taboo,” it says.

Harry and Meghan’s Canada planned migration mucks up the country’s long history of breaking away from the British political system, according to the article.

“[Canada’s] unique monarchy, and its delicate yet essential place in our constitutional system, means that a royal resident — the Prince is sixth in the line of succession — is not something that Canada can allow,” it says.

“A royal living in this country does not accord with the long-standing nature of the relationship between Canada and Britain, and Canada and the Crown.”

The royals’ plan — which includes stepping down from their titles and dividing their time between L.A. and Canada — also stomps on Canada’s identity, it notes.

The country broke away from British reign centuries ago, considers Queen Elizabeth II a figurehead leader only, and allows few of her reps to have duties.

“Though Canada borrowed from Britain, it isn’t Britain and never was. And this country long ago took steps to make that unmistakably clear,” the editorial states.

If you’re a senior member of our Royal Family, this country cannot become your home.”

The Globe and Mail newspaper is printed in five major cities and is widely regarded as Canada’s “newspaper of record.”

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The media must be loving every minute of this. They can now spin any event involving the BRF as dramatic. Take Trooping the Colour this summer. If Harry and Meghan attend, the press can analyse their interactions with the other royals to death. If Harry attends without Meghan, they can speculate that the marriage is in trouble. If neither attend, they can say this shows the family rift is deeper than previously thought, Harry is being disloyal to his grandmother, etc. It's win-win.

it's not disingenuous....many prominent people do this to prevent misrepresentation of their message by asswipes that would use the name to profit.

Putting down bets, re the Oscars this year. Do we believe:

a) Meghan will attend the ceremony, either in audience or as a presenter

b) Meghan will not attend the show, but the after-parties to schmooze, such as the VF party or

c) Meghan AND Harry will attend either the show or the after-parties

Personally I'm going all out and saying both a and b. Meghan (sans Harry) will be at both the show and the parties. She just won't be able to miss it.

Also predicting: the backlash against her in the UK media will be huge for it.

r284/r285 are both correct. Brand damage is happening to brand Sussex as we type.

This recent quick sharp exit from the BRF, and it's very poor handling, have created a backlash not only in the UK but the US as well. And it's likely to only get worse, with the upcoming lawsuit and new revelations about H&M's behavior, attitudes (the press will really go after them now).

It was said here that their choice of guidance and advice would be critical in the coming months, if they are to have any success post-Sussexit.

R311, though I'm sure many would cheer in the audience, I do think some would boo and Meghan just would not be able to handle that. No way is she presenting at the Oscars. However I wouldn't be one iota surprised if she goes to all the after parties to be photographed.

She seems to want/ be better at still photos rather than live shots.

People mag, which I'd thought had been La Markle's mouthpiece, is now doing negative press on H&M. Remarkable actually. The power and reach of the BRF and their associates is 10x what these two will ever have. Won't be surprised if they end up with no media outlets doing good press, besides celebitchy or other online-only blogs.

Harry's old pals no longer had his cell phone number as of early 2019. With exception of the younger van Strawberry, they are all out: Skippy, Guy Pelly, Astrid Harbord, Jake Warren:

Some amazing in depth analysis, R283!

Are you saying that anybody in the UK who wasn’t born there but now has citizenship isn’t British (or possibly Irish, but I’m sure that you are equally across how the whole Irish / Northern Irish / British thing works, right?)?

Got a really global worldview going there!

I don't think Meghan will ever show her face to the Royals again. Even if she is still Harry's wife in the future, she will refuse to go. Even if it's for something for which she will be crucified by the press - say, missing Philip's funeral - she won't go. She's too cowardly for all her bluff.

R315 A swivelled-eyed loon

I don't think she would miss Philip's funeral, R316. That would be quite an extreme move. It wouldn't be the worth the hassle she would get. I don't think she'll attend Beatrice's wedding, though.

[quote] I don't think Meghan will ever show her face to the Royals again.

Agree. She didn't have the balls to stand up for her own deluded convictions when she had the opportunity to meet with Harry's family last week at Sandringham.

GRIFTER.

She's not down with being a Royal Princess anymore; despite actively campaigning to become one by marrying a Royal. Harry doesn't know whats up; sweet guy but lives entirely in a bubble.

Meghan, with Jessica's help, is hoping to establish her own semi-royal court in Canada.

She probably is, r321, but she's either forgotten or doesn't care that Canada has no wish for a court (much the way the BRF did not ask for her assistance in its "modernization").

R284 I think you're exactly right.

The Obamas are/were people who were in power and accomplished things. Being 6th in line to a throne and a former actress on a cable tv show isn't quite the same thing.

Why the fuck would Apple or Netflix or any major brand want them? They don't NEED them.

They'll get a book deal but don't expect any kind of bitchy, anti-monarchy tell all. I think Harry is smart enough to realize if he does that, he's doomed.

There will probably be some media deal for them to produce documentaries on important issues like the environment or mental health but...documentaries don't have huge budgets. And, I don't think a chat show is going to happen and certainly not any kind of reality show mess...again, the Royal Family would make it VERY clear to Harry, he'd be burning bridges he could never repair by going that route.

She's going to try and brand herself as a style icon but...she has no style. Or, good style. The actual super high end brands aren't going to want her...if Sears were still viable I could see "The Meghan Markle Collection" happening there but...maybe Wal-Mart?

I suppose a make-up/fragrance deal could happen but...again, I don't really see any high quality house wanting this.

Though I totally see Harry and Megs dressing up as Colonel Sanders to shill for KFC.

I don't believe at this point, unless relations improve drastically, that she'll even attend Philip's funeral. Harry will come home alone for that. She's done with the BRF and the UK.

r304: Harry does not fit in with that board roster. That’s an accomplished group. If in ten years or so he’s done what he’s says he’ll do (raise non-stop & for charity, on his own outside the BRF), he might be considered there.

I would not be surprised if they presented Best Foreign film or Best Documentary (if either are presented at the main ceremony.) I will be surprised if they aren't Windsoring the parties. You gotta start sometime.

R324, nothing Harry can learn by being a big fundraiser will be of use of the shareholders of Apple. He couldn't contribute to the board of clown car. And in ten years or so he'll be a sad HazBeen.

R323-- You are forgetting that in order for them to keep getting endorsement deals the product they endorse needs to sell. Even a clothing line at Walmart will be discontinued if it does not sell

Of course Meghan isn't going to show her face at family functions again with the exception of funeral. But even that is a big if. She's persona non grata to the BRF, I think by now even Harry knows where the leaking about his "toxic" family is emanating from though he might be in active denial. For Meghan and her camp to actively attack a future monarch as a bully, on top of dissing the sitting monarch, and the whole family toxic, it's basically a big, fuck you for all to see. The ho doesn't give a flying fuck, she's telling the paps what charity she's going to drop into so that she's papped smugly smiling ear to ear.

I don't see any way she's ever seen in the company of William again, after straight up calling the Cambridges bullies and knowing fully well the mental health and children's health initiatives that the Cambridges support. Kate herself was the victim of bullying at school, to the point that she had to change schools. For Meghan to insinuate let alone have her friends present to the media that the Cambridges are the tormenters while she is an innocent victim is just so typical of a deeply disturbed person. That Harry went along with it until that joint statement release is also incredulous. The person most to blame in this is Harry, if he hadn't been so dumb and resentful of his position as supporting cast, all of this wouldn't be happening. It really drives home the fact that your choice of spouse or SO is probably the most important choice you'll make in your life. Much of our happiness and sanity derive from whether or not your spouse is a BSC disordered person.

All taken care of!! Meghan and Canada's national broadcaster have teamed up to give the Canadian viewing public what they desire.

The Royal Family has to take a lot of blame for this mess happening in the first place. You'd think by now they would be on the lookout for "problems" like the Andrews and the Harrys of the family. Harry was obviously a rather dim but very likeable asset who needed special handling...give him jobs for him to do that he REALLY likes and can ably handle, while discreetly sending suitable bride material in his direction to see what sticks...meaning kind, intelligent types inclined to guide their dimmer husbands.

But, they apparently didn't really do that (maybe they did, and it didn't stick) and Meghan came along and they really dropped the ball. Charles should have INSISTED on meeting her family before the engagement was announced. Apparently, this was brought up and allegedly she refused to cooperate...which was a HUGE warning sign. Charles should have made that a deal breaker right then and there...Harry had to have the Queen's permission to marry. If the family had played hardball with him, he would have waffled.

The British papers are still playing this story for all it is worth:

I feel sick to death of this race bollocks. This is why we had so many young people being victims in Rochdale, Rotherham and other towns. Gangs of men abused young girls but the authorities were feared of being called racist, so it went on for more years.Call real racism, but stop protecing people when it is not the case.

R329

You are leaving out fact PH was getting desperate to marry and breed children. Prince said as much in various interviews before the Markle woman set out to nab him. Have you also forgotten every single other girl/woman PH was interested in either ran a mile or turned him down flat. This was a royal prince who gave out in interviews "nobody wants me....".

How long do you believe a man in such an emotional state is going to be fobbed off with busy work? At that point PH's life was like that Stephen Bishop song "It Might Be You"

As for "meeting Markle family..." PH and MM were living together prior to their engagement IIRC. What was PC going to do otherwise that wasn't done already in regards to PH and MM's courtship, then engagement?

I don't think Meghan showing up with her suit cases to shack up with Harry at Kensington, was the first sign they were a couple...pretty sure Will and Charles knew things were moving in that direction before it actually happened. And, they either didn't think it a problem (doubtful) or couldn't figure out a way to dislodge her from Harry's life...but there had to have been a lot of furtive family phone calls and behind the scenes chats along the lines of, "Fuck...what the bloody hell are we going to do about Harry and this dreadful actress?!?"

The thing is, the British terrorists have come mainly from the Pakistani communiy and that is more in WYorks . The Cambridges did a tour of Pakistan and now Bradford, this is what the Royals do, soft politics.

R333

Back in old days PH would have been packed off to some far flung part of realm (India comes to mind), with his handlers/minders given explicit instructions to keep whatever loose tart from pursuing. Those days are long gone.....

First and foremost PH has plenty of his own money; above only worked when younger sons depended upon an allowance.

Furthermore, and more to the point PC was last one to give any lessons about love and marriage given his own disaster with Diana, princess of Wales. Also along same line it wasn't as if PH hadn't tried to do things "their way"; he went after suitable young ladies, but while most where happy to snog a royal prince, marriage was out of the question. Then along came this older AA actress......

Also I noticed William had a suit in the Pakistan style today.

The engagement in Bradford seems to have gone well. They did a nice walkabout and ended up having mango smoothies. I read that in tribute to her sister in law, who threw out all her Zara label clothes when she became "successful," Kate wore a $18 Zara dress. Ha ha

"Harry had to have the Queen's permission to marry."

If the Queen had just refused him permission for that idiot to marry the woman he was infatuated with, there would have been a shitstorm: Accusations of racism, classism, or anti-Americanism, would fly through the press, with good odds of Harry just flying to another country and marrying her there.

No, in order to get away with refusing the marriage, the Palace would have had to absolutely destroy Meghan's reputation first! Hopefully without Harry catching on where the info was coming from! It really is a pity they didn't take the trouble.

"...the Trudeau government’s response should be simple and succinct: No,” the editorial blasts. “You are welcome to visit, but so long as you are senior royals, Canada cannot allow you to come to stay … It breaks an unspoken constitutional taboo,” it says. "

No, it wasn't the Trudeau government saying that directly, it was a newspaper talking about government policy. I think this is what you call a "trial balloon".

If Trudeau will lose popularity for welcoming them or thinks he might look all democratic and egalitarian if he tells them to shove off, then there's no doubt he'll find a way to make them unwelcome.

Where have all the Klan gals gone?

Long time passing

Where have all the Klan gals gone?

Long time ago.

Where have all the Klan gals gone?

Gone to Datalounge every one

When will they ever learn?

Nobody knew enough about Megs to be worried about her, before the marriage. There may have been qualms, sure; but no one could foresee the shitstorm of drama that's followed this pairing since the week before their wedding. And hasn't let up since.

Besides it isn't up to the family to 'vet' Harry's wife or his personal choices. He married her, he has to live with her. If she causes drama that affects the family-at-large, that's again on Harry. He has to take responsibility. He's not - he's bolting overseas - but at least the BRF are rid of the drama & trauma twins.

You could practically feel the relief emanating off Will & Kate on their walkabout today.

I think Trudeau will take the hit. It's not worth the hassle and it's not the kind of backlash that lasts sticks - except for the security issue. That bill nobody seems to want to pay. Trudeau will probably resign in the next year or two anyway.

I wonder if the likely outcome is the announcement of divorce. If nobody wants to pay the security bills, if they essentially have to stay in the UK, she may just say fuck it.

'What ROYAL roles do they have? No one gives a rat's ass about someone who is sixth in line to the throne.'

No, no WASP in America EVER cared about Diana's son, the Queen's grandson and the next King of England's son. What POSSIBLE interest could he have to them? Not royal in any way, shape or form.

I'm starting to wonder if there can be a tell all interview that does any real damage. At this point every journalist knows there's more to the story than the $u$$ex version. No one who doesn't want to look like a stooge will agree to conduct an interview with no go zones. And Mega Hard and Dim won't agree to that. Well, Dim might, but he's obviously an easy con.

'Will and Kate, on the other hand, will be billionaires the second they are King and Queen'

When they're in their 60s. Meghan and Harry will be billionaires in their early 40s.

[quote]Meghan and Harry will be billionaires in their early 40s.

Ok I'll bite. Pray tell, how?

I'm so curious how some feel the Quitter Twins are going to somehow miraculously find some kind of skill set to make them that wealthy in a few years time.

This is a pair of near-40 yr old snowflakes who just left the cushiest gig on earth because their family didn't give them enough 'solace', and are demanding the father of one of them pay their way for future undetermined duration. Yet you think they're going to suddenly create billions in wealth in 5 years.

Details?

[quote] Trudeau will probably resign in the next year or two anyway.

Please explain. Due to the selfish Sussex duo and Trudeau trying to be as diplomatic as possible. Surely, you must be in the know to make such a bold statement. Please do let us into the folds of your brain.

All the King of England's son and his wife need are a few huge brand collabs and they're there. They already got Disney to donate 3m for one voiceover. That should give you some idea of their potential, Klanetta.

"You could practically feel the relief emanating off Will & Kate on their walkabout today. "

This is actually the best thing that could have happened to Will & Kate. They're dullards and nobody much likes them, but here the two idiots have made them look stellar by comparison! What a stroke of luck!

I really can't believe how badly the Harkles' press is being handled, it'd be so easy for them to fake concern for the taxpayers and Charles's financial well-being, but they can't even be bothered to lie. Maybe they were planning to do so in the future, but public opinion had turned against them already.

I can see them getting one big payday for their first interview. But after that, they’ll be yesterday’s news.

Why do the weird old women here think that William and Kate are looking forward to being monarch and plus one at an age when all their contemporaries will be retired? Pippa will be on the beach at St Barthes every day and Kate will still be out cutting ribbons and planting trees in her eighties while poor Wills gets to grips with the Duchy of Lancaster. What a nightmare scenario.

He's a millionaire, not popular, he's got the blackface problem x 3, and he turned a majority government into a minority government. There's easier ways for him to live his life. That enough for ya, R347? I assume you'd know that already, dear.

As the suing party against the Mail on Sunday, how much can the Harkles be expected to shell out for top-notch barristers in this case? And if they lose, how much would they have to pay out for the defendants legal costs as per UK laws that put it upon the suing party to pay for everything if they lose? I'm sure Harry was advised of this eventuality, but, ya know, "What Meghan wants, Meghan gets!" Who's gonna pay for Harry's indiscretion of going ahead with the legal action.

[quote]All the King of England's son and his wife need are a few huge brand collabs and they're there. They already got Disney to donate 3m for one voiceover. That should give you some idea of their potential, Klanetta.

Details please. What type of 'brand collabs' are you thinking of? Beach towels? razors. George Foreman-type grills?

$3 mil - donated to charity, not to the Sussexes - is multiples less than "billions" you know. Math.

But asking for backup to an assertion is such a racially charged situation for you, though.

Daddy Charles, of course r353. He's paid for everything so far.

[quote]That enough for ya, [R347]? I assume you'd know that already, dear.

Yes, I'd heard about all of that way down her in the lower Slobovian states, AKA California. Yet, here he is, still your newly elected PM. But aren't most elected premieres like Brian Mulroney also "millionaires?"

[quote]he's got the blackface problem x 3,

And, yet, that poor fool Rob Ford kept getting elected despite multiple damaging incidents nearly assaulting folks and his "Jamaican" incident at a fast food restaurant. Because, he was "genuinely" "black?"

Thank you so much for your input!

R354 acts like they are a cracked up mess. Put down your pipe

And, R352 - yet, the "Honorable" Rob Ford was caught on tape assaulting and knocking down a dissenting female?

You make yourself sound like the most especial of the special Canadian snowflakes.

Tell us more about Justin Trudeau's sins compared to your right wing heroes, please?

Why did they settle on Canada? Why not the US? She IS American, after all.

Correct me if I'm wrong, in the UK, if you sue and you lose, you have to pay the legal fees of the other party as well right?

I wonder if she will settle, doesn't look good for her.

Since Canada is a Commonwealth country with shared heritage with the UK, it is the most obvious and easiest choice, though they didn't seem to think the issue through carefully. And Canadians, as North Americans, aren't considered as vulgar as Angelenos or NYC types. It's the kinder, genteeler alternative to that other North American country. A softer and less complained about landing.

Yeah, but did you read the largest paper in Canada? They don't want them there. Said it was unconstitutional for a senior royal to be living there.

Many people have been wondering why this family has not been more brutal and decisive in cutting out its rogue members.

Fortunately, we have some insight from an insider!

The family is thinking about the long-term implications. While they are furious – not just upset, but furious – about what is happening, they do believe there will come a time in which he will return to them.

What time is that?

They believe there will be a divorce within five years.

So, what is their strategy?

They must allow him to go but keep in contact and leave the door open for him to return. If they close the door on him, he might feel obligated to stay in the marriage longer because there would be no where else for him to go.

What about his wife?

The most frequent word I hear used to describe her internally is “duplicitous.” They know that from the beginning she has said or done whatever she needed to do to capture him, all while planning to do the exact opposite after marriage. They call it a “long con.”

If they knew this, why didn’t they warn him?

They did so repeatedly! Any warnings from the family were summarily dismissed by him.

This is a powerful family. Can’t they take her down?

Despite the conspiracy theories, his family will not “take her out” or publicly “take her down.”

They have dual objectives: To get him to return to the family, and to protect the family. To do both requires great restraint on their part.

For example, they know that they can not criticize her openly. Criticizing her would only result in his defense of her and in her positioning herself as the victim or martyr. Unfortunately, she has conditioned him to see her as his only ally and his family as the enemy.

So, does this mean that his family will work with her?

Only insomuch as to facilitate his return. That is a primary objective.

That wording almost makes him sound like a hostage.

In many respects, he is an emotional hostage who is siding with his captor. He is not locked up in a room, but he is emotionally tied to her. She is in charge and he will not work against her.

That sounds like Stockholm Syndrome. Can’t his family pay her a “ransom” to get him back?

Right now, she is confident that she can make much more money with him than by giving him up. That is what makes this situation so unusual.

It certainly will be interesting to see how this all plays out!

Can't they go it alone on the Falkland Islands?

Lol, no one thinks Harry's a candidate for the Apple board. Apple is now also a content creator and, as said above, if they play their cards right they will have a certain cachet that could benefit a big brand. A board membership for some other company wanting a bit of whatever Harry (or Meg) could bring might be in play though. Cf Hunter Biden and Ukraine natural gas.

It would suit perfectly if Canada refused to pay security or if they aren't legally allowed to settle there: they tried to be Commonwealthers, but had to default to California after all.

Re the Oscars: I think Meghan will fit in more low-key, casually dressed charititable appearances between now and Oscar time. She'll then have earned a glittering, designer-clad walk onto the Oscars stage, complete with standing ovation.

"$3 mil - donated to charity, not to the Sussexes "

Yeah, well if it's the Sussex's own "foundation", the one registered as a for-profit enterprise in Delaware, then it's all the same.

Betcha she hits some Oscar parties, but with the amount of bad press she's had there's no way in hell she's going to stand up on stage and risk getting booed or under-applauded.

Gawd, can you imagine Harry at an Oscar party? He'll get bored out of his skull watching everyone schmooze and ignore everyone less famous than themselves, so he'll get shitfaced and start grabbing all the starlets, just to liven things up.

She wont be booed in the US! She is a POC heroine.

Tom Bradby, who produced last year’s documentary Harry & Meghan: An African Journey, has stated the couple is threatening to participate in a tell-all interview with Gayle King if the Queen threatens to revoke their title.

Tom Bradby, who produced last year’s documentary Harry & Meghan: An African Journey, has stated the couple is threatening to participate in a tell-all interview with Gayle King if the Queen threatens to revoke their title.

It was settled quickly because the Queen did not enjoy being put in the position of the villain keeping them from what they wanted. Also, I would bet she and Charles wanted them to realize very quickly what kind of financial constraints they will now be under.

[quote]he turned a majority government into a minority government. There's easier ways for him to live his life.

R352, if it weren't for Trudeau, the Liberals wouldn't have won the Majority Government in the first place. They were in 3rd place before Trudeau came along and rescued them from the mess they got into under Martin, Dion & Ignatieff.

In English law, costs are in the discretion of the judge. The general pattern is that the loser pays most, if not all, of the winner's costs. The $u$$exe$ have hired $chilling$ which is appropriate given the firm's name and the couple's merchandizing attitude. But the costs will be trivial compared to the hideous spectacle of Meghan and her dad appearing in the witness box: who would want her sponsorship after that? The couple just don't understand reputation and the effect it has on money-making.

R338

HM has been there and done that at least twice (refusing permission to marry) once for her sister the Princess Margaret, then her son Prince Charles; in both instances neither turned out as planned did it?

PC finally did get to marry his first choice, but quite a lot of (really bad) water went under bridge first.

R372, that's nice, but that was two elections ago. The funny thing about power is it's decided by the most recent election. And that's what determines your value. You better stick to Starbucks.

You can drop the attitude, r375. No one's impressed.

HM has been there and done that at least twice (refusing permission to marry) once for her sister the Princess Margaret, then her son Prince Charles;

That's what 'The Crown" may say, but in neither case is that true.

The Queen simply did NOT prevent Margaret from marrying Peter Townsend, and there is proof she consented to it:

[quote] Papers released in 2004 to the National Archives show that in 1955 the Queen and the new Prime Minister Sir Anthony Eden (who had been divorced and remarried himself) drew up a plan under which Princess Margaret would have been able to marry Townsend by removing Margaret and any children from the marriage out of the line of succession. Margaret would be allowed to keep her royal title and her civil list allowance, stay in the country and even continue with her public duties. Eden summed up the Queen's attitude in a letter on the subject to the Commonwealth prime ministers "Her Majesty would not wish to stand in the way of her sister's happiness." Eden himself was very sympathetic; "Exclusion from the Succession would not entail any other change in Princess Margaret's position as a member of the Royal Family," he wrote

It was Margaret's and Townsend's own idea in the end not to marry.

And no historian nor biographer has ever alleged that the Queen prevented Charles from marrying Camilla in the 70s. "The Crown" implied as much, but it's simply not true. He went on a round-the-world trip with the Navy, and when he got back she had married Andrew Parker-Bowles.

[quote]Yes [R120] and Sweden is one of those bicycle monarchies. The BRF have higher standards, sniff.

Really, how many royal families left that matter? I'd say Britain, Spain, Saudi Arabia, Thailand and Japan. The rest are all Mickey Mouse houses.

[quote] Really, how many royal families left that matter? I'd say Britain, Spain, Saudi Arabia, Thailand and Japan. The rest are all Mickey Mouse houses.

Define "matter." To the people who live in those countries, or to you personally?

Thank you, hall monitor. I'm chastened.

Sit and spin.

Oh, you're the folds of the brain one that didn't know what she was talking about. Now I get it.

Your type is only fun to sort out briefly. Blocked head.

The Royal Families in the Arabian Gulf matter the most because they are absolute monarchies. They are the law in those lands

The Saudi royal family are merely bandits who killed more people than the other bandits in them parts during the 19th century.

Interesting article here about the media's portrayal of Kate and Meghan:

[quote] Essentially, the two duchesses have been assigned to opposite sides of the culture war. All kinds of seemingly unrelated items have become symbols of one side or the other—quinoa, avocados, the English flag, attitudes toward the death penalty—and now Kate and Meghan have been conscripted too.

[...]

[quote] But all women lose when women’s lives are boiled down to these simple binaries: selfless mother against ruthless careerist. Meghan is a mother too. Kate has political interests, such as mental health and early-childhood education. Both have nannies and live in homes worth millions. Not everything they do is “sending a signal” or “making a statement”; some of their personal choices are just that: personal choices.

The Atlantic article is interesting but it overlooks one point re. Meghan, which is that there is a body of evidence to suggest she is not a very nice or admirable person, facts that are not strengthened or mitigated by her racial background.

Let's just take the examples of the baby shower or tiara gate or Eugenie's wedding. None of these things have been denied. Her friends have gone out to talk around the negative coverage, but none of her surrogates have tackled - or more to the point refuted - any of the allegations.

She may have been "a symbol of change—the first person of color in the royal family, an avowed feminist, a divorcée, and a woman with a successful career of her own." She's also, it seems, an unpleasant, unlikeable person by many people's standards.

Aren't people starting to find it unbecoming that Meghan is now popping in and out of charities long enough to do photo ops? Canadians especially should be angry that she's using charities, charity workers, and those benefiting from charities in this fashion. She has zero connections to these entities and communities, but apparently she has her assistant email out of the blue to these charities to set up pop-in visits that are only long enough for Meghan to show up with photographers in tow. This is epic flaunting of fake humanitarianism, not even politicians do this kind of shit in this blatant manner.

r363 excellent analysis cited here!Bang on pretty much I'd say.

R386 She's a pop-up princess!

That's her dream... attention masquerading as altruism. So L.A.

One thing I wish I understood is how do they get in these messes? How frequently do they actually talk to one another? During the five high tension days of Abstaycation, were the Queen, William, and Charles on the phone with each other? I bet much of this is done through their private secretaries so it's one big game of telephone to begin with, with a lashings of English euphemism and inference. I know how the royal households are structured but I have no idea how all of it actually works. When Prince Charles or Prince William is incandescent with rage, who witnesses it? When Charles pays for the wedding, who agrees on when and how much etc? When Anne and Edward think the Queen's private secretary needs the sack, how do they reach that conclusion, how is it shared?

I'm not saying they need to become Markelian sharers of thoughts and feelings or even bananas, but do they actually need to talk to one another face to face more often? I know nobody here will know but I wish someone with connections would write an article about how the household AND the family actually works.

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[quote] "Meghan Markle feels she can now breathe since quitting as a senior royal

What a relief.

"They explained Meghan didn't want Archie raised in such a 'toxic environment...the friend said: 'She told us [her friends] that her soul was being crushed and that the decision to leave was a matter of life or death. Meaning the death of her spirit"

So that Markle woman married PH knowing fully well what she was signing on for; then promptly did a runner taking PH and sprog along with her.

Scheming, conniving, nasty piece of work she is; no better than she should be, pity PH is being pulled around by her apron strings.

"They added: 'She felt she couldn't be the best mother to Archie if she wasn't being her true, authentic self'

So she's admitting that her true self is someone who collaborates with paps for drop-in charity photo ops. She's admitting that her authentic self is someone who registers for profit LLC in a state that's friendly to secretive, shady businesses. Her version of being the best mother to Archie is to poison him to relatives by leaking made-up shit about dad's side of family. Got it.

R378 - The Danish monarchy is the oldest in Europe. It isn't nearly as rich as the Windsors but has every bit the bloodlines and cachet, if not moreso. "Bicycle monarchies" was the Windsor's way of looking down at monarchies that didn't get as rich as they are. Yes, they are smaller countries and their royal houses, outside of The Netherlands (The House of Orange) and the Lichtensteinians, aren't as rich.

That does make them tin potters.

In fact, when ruling houses are brought together at an official event, they are lined up and seated according to the longevity of the house. In Europe - that means Denmark takes precedence.

^*doesn't make them tin pots.

Now, if you're talking Romania or Monaco . . .

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Oops R397, looks like you and I were on the same wavelength at the same time.

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As with the PEOPLE Magazine article, Meghan's "friends" have no idea how damaging their petulant comments about her "being able to breathe" and "toxic environment" are to Meghan's and Harry's attempts to have their cake and eat it, too.

They're simply making getting a good deal out of it, you know, Frogmore Cottage, the half in, half out, split their time between the UK and North America, getting taxpayers to shell out more money for their "security" . . . less likely.

As for being a better mother - since when is burning bridges between the kid and his father's blood family, who also happen to be extremely wealthy and influential, good parenting?

Why would Queen Elizabeth want to go on having any relationship with the mother who has basically insulted the institution the Queen heads up and the nation the Queen represents, and smeared her other grandson and his wife? And if there's no decent relationship between the mother and the rest, the relationship between the kid and his great-grandmother and grandfather and uncle and cousins is destroyed.

Meghan is, in fact, inflicting on her kid her own pattern: ghosting entire sets of family connections.

Her "friends" should keep their mouths shut, because after the PEOPLE Magazine fiasco, which may cost Meghan a great deal of personal embarrassment re the lawsuit, no one believes that anything they say isn't being prompted by her. They absolutely believe that Meghan thinks the royal family and Great Britain "toxic" and bad for her child.

How do you get a good deal out of letting that leak out to the public when the ball is in the court of the people you fucking insulted publicly?

Do these people ever think more than one move ahead?

R400 - "The revelation will fuel speculation among palace officials that the Duchess of Sussex, in particular, will never return to Britain to live in a ‘meaningful’ way."

It should also fuel speculation, amongst everyone, that the Sussexes have already been told that they are not being granted permission to retain Frogmore Cottage as a "home base" to use when they are in Britain.

With every article quoting or attributing insulting views or remarks by Meghan about royal life and Britain, one also wonders if they have already been told about other things they wanted that they aren't getting, and now feel they may as well burn bridges more completely.

Such as, viz., to wit: their Sussex titles, public support for any further "official duties" in Britain, or public support for their security costs.

I'd be surprised to learn the BRF finally grew a pair where Harry and Meghan are concerned, or, alternatively, are cognizant of the risk to their already battered public image if they appear to indulge the rude ingrates, but I'm prepared to be pleasantly surprised.

The issue of allowing the two to make money from a title the Queen bestowed in expectation of their service to the monarchy is paramount, in my view. If they have to take down SusssexRoyal (and as someone in an article on their hypocrisy in "The Atlantic" pointed out, there is nothing "progressive" about the name SussexROYAL or in the words "Duke" and "Duchess"), too bloody bad.

So if the staff are being let go, the Daily Mail has the chequebook at the ready... there are tales to be told.

Yeah, life on the outside is gonna be just fucking brand! I mean grand!

R369 - Both King and Oprah have denied any such plans for a "tell-all" interview.

And given how much of their public pronouncements have worked against them, and what the Panorama and Morton book did to Diana, they would be well advised to cut their losses and leave it alone.

Did anyone ask the staff if they were Okay in this difficult time?

Meghan is shallow, boring, and too ambitious, and Harry is just a common dullard too stupid to appreciate his lucky birth.

[quote] Many people have been wondering why this family has not been more brutal and decisive in cutting out its rogue members

He has a lot of dirt on them. It's a fact that charles sold out his sons secrets to the tabloid press in exchange for good press on camilla parker bowles. We also know that it was fucked up that the brothers were forced to march behind their Mother's coffin in front of millions of people

If we know these facts, can you imagine the shit we don't know? For all the scandals the royal family has had, there were loads of other things they were able to sweep under the carpet. They don't want any of that coming out

[quote] All Frogmore staff given their walking papers

No. Stop making things up. They've been told they will be working at another location for the royal family. And if Harry and Megan were so terrible, those two employees should be thrilled to be working for the Queen or other members of the royal family

Can you imagine the pillow talk between Harry and Meghan, with Harry being to dimwitted to be discreet or understand what might be used against him in the future.

What it comes down to is Meghan having a keen understanding of the mentally disabled (either through "short as a thick board" poor intellect or emotional vulnerabilities or a combo) and how to exploit

R408, the staff being moved means that Meghan has left the UK for good.

R401, "Meghan's friends" basically means Meghan. Whenever you read or hear in the media that "so and so's friends told reporters", it means that person's friends were sent out by that person to tell the media what their position is.

Highly doubt if entirely new staff were hired for Frogmore cottage; rather some or all were seconded from other royal residences when trawled for people to work at PH & MM's new digs.

While of course new hires are brought into RF service as with other areas it is preferable to have those already well seasoned with regards to service, this rather than train entirely new persons.

R408 - Positions have been found for SOME of them in the Queen's household, the rest have been let go.

Another parallel with the Edward/Wallis scenario: when Edward became King, he engaged in household budgeting that cut down staff, some of whom were longstanding retainers. In fact, a sanction had been obtained that was supposed to ensure that no man lost his job without the employer trying to find him other employment. The new King ignored this. The horrified Duke and Duchess of York, within less than a year to become King George VI and Queen Elizabeth, found positions for as many of them as possible in their own and other royal households. This went down particularly badly in the King's household as, as the same time as the brutal staff cuts were taking place, servants were loading crates of furniture, plate, champagne, and other luxuries for despatch to Mrs Simpson's flat.

The reoccurring themes are truly amazing.

Check out this raddled old gold-digger. She looks more like 48 than 38. Very masculine look to her face. Kind of reminds me of Caitlyn Jenner.

[quote]Check out this raddled old gold-digger. She looks more like 48 than 38. Very masculine look to her face. Kind of reminds me of Caitlyn Jenner.

Then you're as stupid as you are obvious.

R405, I heart you.

Too often we forget to ask that vital question.

Meghan may be pretty of face but she is ugly inside.

R413

As Prince of Wales Prince "David" squirreled away quite tidy sums from his income deriving from duchy of Cornwall and so on. Notoriously tight fisted , "David" was able to save much by living upon kindness of others so to speak. All those invitations to country houses, and or otherwise where the prince stayed, dined and whatever at no cost to himself.

Upon his abdication now Duke of Windsor wasn't exactly poor, but he also held certain family jewels (inherited from his father George V) that were meant to be kept in RF. D of W forced his brother (now king George VI to buy back said jewels.

Yes, the parallels are amazing; and sadly if things continue this way PH will end up like his great uncle, a whipped man often reduced to tears from abuse hurled his way by a nasty and bitter wife.

Like D of W PH will never divorce his duchess; that would give many too much satisfaction. Mistakes on this scale simply have to be endured for life.

[quote]Like D of W PH will never divorce his duchess

I have no doubt, though, his duchess will divorce him if it's on brand according to plan.

I don't think there is going to be much of a tell all. Even Harry isn't that stupid to reveal too much about private workings of the House of Windsor. Because if he does, he's cut his own throat.

Someone needs to make him read a book or two about the Duke of Windsor and his pathetic life...or, even watch a TV show or two.

As for their retirement from the horrors of Royal Life...well, now what? Are they implying they are just going to be simple country folk and staying out of the public eye forever? They actually COULD do that...buy a nice little villa for 3 million and just emerge for a charity event here and there...live a mostly quiet lifestyle raising their child(ren) and working only on wholesome non-profit projects benefiting elephants and homeless and veterans and the environment. Give a speech once in awhile. I think there are the Sparklestans who think this is what they want to do.

But, do we really see that happening?

^ No. She's like Oprah: messiah complex.

Meghan's lawsuit, which puts her father in the crosshairs, is horrible. There's no spinning it in a good way.

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The article at R424 reinforces that Harry was looking for an out. I don't blame him for that, but the presumption that Charles and Canada should pay his way until he feels financially secure is ridiculous considering his (and Meghan's rumored) net worth. Please.

Agree r426, that he may have long been looking for out. Not only should he not be looking for handouts, he should not be allowed to disrespect his family history and that of his home country by being allowed to commercialize his rank and title.

If the Sussexes can break free, leave the UK & settle down, build a quiet (read: drama-free) life with fulfilling work that doesn't involved public handouts OR abuse/merchandising their titles and past royal associations, I would label them unqualified successes.

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Harry is aging very quickly. I think all this is taking a toll on him. Oh well, he should have known there would be trouble before he married her. You reap what you sow.

R429

That's curse of Windsor men; Prince William went from floppy haired stud to bald as a billiard cue "dad" rather quickly.

Then again they do say British men tend not to have a very long shelf life looks wise; I mean Rupert Everett (aside from plastic surgery), Jeremy Irons along with many other English men peaked and declined rather quickly. OTOH there is Colin Firth who still has it; so there's quite a range there....

In R424's linked article, the journalist said Harry told her that he'd longed to go live in Africa and be a tour guide. Harry must be a delusional dumbass if he thinks living in LA and its entrenched celebrity culture is anything approaching being a laidback African tour guide. He really is brainwashed, either that or his true self emerged during his relationship with Meghan. Now he's fine with shilling for voiceover roles for his wife, and thinking it's totally fine to be making money off of royal titles. Like I say, he's the one who's most to blame in all of this, Meghan only egged him on. They're both disordered people.

"Like D of W PH will never divorce his duchess; that would give many too much satisfaction. Mistakes on this scale simply have to be endured for life. "

Oh bull. If she doesn't divorce him when she gets a billionaire or Hollywood bigwig in her sights, he'll divorce her when he realizes that she isn't even trying to make him happy.

He's very spoiled, and deep in his heart he believes it's everyone else's job to keep him entertained and happy. When he finally realizes that she cares more about money and Hollywood and social climbing and titles and social media than him, it'll be all over! I figure it'll take him 5-10 years to catch on, though.

Poor Harry is so stupid and not just a bit stupid, stupid as in has a very low IQ. He is toast, stuck with her an ocean away from everything that he knows and has propped him up all his life

Oh dear, someone is taking my description of Meghan almost verbatim and trying to make it about Kate. Very typical for those of the low IQ persuasion. BOTH Meghan and Harry are unattractive physically. That's just obvious to anyone with eyes.

I'm reminded of the scene between Dudley Moore and Geraldine Fitzgerald, in the film "Arthur." Her Majesty gives me the impression she pulled Harry aside, and whispered slowly, confidently, and most emphatically:

"(Arthur), make no mistakes, you are too old to be poor. You don't know how. We are ruthless people, don't screw with us..... I will cut you off without a cent."

Harry needs a Hobson, or in police jargon, a rabbi. He has no one he trusts enough, who has his best interests at heart, to open his eyes to the reality of the situation, and then offer him the best advice. While not exactly a lamb being led to slaughter, I do feel sorry for Harry, because he's in far too deep and he's looking for a lifeline/way out, only he doesn't realize it.

Years of disordered eating have aged Kate dramatically. I've seen 50 yr olds who look younger than she does.

Only both you and I know that's a lie. You're thinking about Meghan and her years of disordered eating. Thats why her face looks so rough. Most people thiink she's much older. She was a chubby child and has to work extra hard to get thin. That was painfully obvious after she had Archie. She sure couldn't bounce back like Kate immediately did. That had to sting, especially at Wimbolden when she was literally sandwiched between the fit, lithe gorgeous Middleton sisters.

The article 424 not only says that Harry was looking for a way out, but describes him as being pretty stupid (can't remember the exact euphemism, but it was clearly "he's dumb as a box of hammers"), though emotionally intelligent like his mother. It also says - which kind of surprised me - that he's obsessed what other people say about him. That kind of explains his petulant attitude towards the press in that they aren't in love with Sparkle the way he thought they'd be. Even if he thought the press was brutal before, I can't even imagine how unglued he is now...

Also, this "way out" stuff sounds like a lot of magical thinking. He doesn't like his life, so rather than finding some reasonable compromise, possibly requiring some sacrifice on his part, he marries some substitute mommy shrew who does the heavy lifting for him. What a loser this guy is!

Now it's all over and Meghan and Harry have plainly lost the war and are sailing toward failure, I find these random Kate slams by Megalomaniac fans pretty amusing. She wasn't very well armed for the battle in any respect.

MeAgain has arranged photographs pretty much every day in Canada. Imagine what LA will be like. She is making the DM money but what was that about a quiet life?

Supposedly staff at Frogmore are being re-assigned or let go. I thought Harry was currently in residence though?

Agree with most of the comments above. Harry using Meghan to do the "heavy lifting" of getting him out of a life he was bored with is a perfect summation. The only problem is, he also has to pay for that over long years but doing the heavy lifting of feeding her hunger for more of everything: more money, more celebrity, more excitement, more glamour . . .

What's striking about the Windsor boys is that they so seldom seem to be able to find careers that don't bore them, which they could perfectly well do and which other royals have done both abroad and in their own family: the Duke of Gloucester trained as an architect. Was anything stopping Harry from getting a degree in ecological land management and spending years in Africa, or for that matter, Gloucestershire or East Anglia to do it? No one would have forced him into a purely ceremonial life if he'd insisted. The fact is, he didn't want to do anything too hard - he lacks vision, motivation, and basic smarts.

He's probably incapable of running a huge business, she'll do most of it and they'll have to pay handsomely for staff, accountants, managers, investment brokers, and before you know it, he'll again be wondering what the purpose of his life is.

The two of them remind me of Honest John the Fox guiding Pinocchio to Pleasure Island - where, of course, Pinocchio ends up with donkey's ears.

The theory that Harry was looking for a way out contradicts what he himself said a few years ago (sorry, too lazy to google a source): that he took a hard look at it and decided to work within the system (BRF) to do good. And it looks like he was succeeding at that with his African charity and the Invictus Games. Carrying on with that plus spending lots of time in Africa away from the royal court and the media probably could've made him--a dullard by all accounts--a happy man. But he married a woman who doesn't want to live in Africa and whose do-gooding is, in my opinion, more about her love of the limelight.

I can't believe they are mad about her leaving. These are the same people who wished she would fuck off back to America. I'm sorry but from Meghan's perspective, she had nothing to lose. I'm sorry English people but if you're not accepted, England is a horrible place to be.

Did they really think she was going to stay on that tiny island that hated her when she had all of North America and the rest of her live to live? She probably thinks people are mad at her because she can finally afford to provide my family with groceries. Got a crib with a studio and it's all full of tracks to add to the wall. Full of plaques, hanging up in the office in back of my house like trophies. Did y'all think I'mma let my dough freeze, ho please. You better bow down on both knees, who you think taught you to smoke trees.

Further evidence, R442, that he should have done whatever it took--including giving up his Royal life--to convince Chelsy Davy to marry him. Just think: If he had made this sacrifice for Chelsy, he could have had the laid-back privileged life with lots of time in Africa that he always wanted. I wonder if he ever thinks about that.

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R445 - the friend she picked up is Heather Dorak who runs the Pilates Platinum brand. Meghan used to attend her classes in LA. Inviting a Pilates guru to BC? I wouldn't be surprise if will soon be announced that Meghan is the spokeswoman for Heather's company.

[quote]Pinocchio ends up with donkey's ears.

Or in Ginger's case, cuckold's horns.

It doesn't matter where Harry goes if he doesn't deal with his own issues. He needs to find a healthier way of interacting with the press, for one, since they're going to cover him regardless. He should stop reading and obsessing over what's written about him if it drags him down so much. Meghan's ambition isn't going to help Harry find his own path. As the poster upthread said, it's magical thinking that his problems will be solved by jumping into a different life. He was doing things like Invictus and Sentebale that he likes and could have stayed in and expanded on those. A different wife might of supported him in that and helped him develop his role. Unfortunately, Meghan had different plans and Harry is now along for the ride.

What the fuck is he gonna do if he quits? He's gonna be bored to death. useless cunt

He's going to be a daddy to his baby and enjoy skiing in British Columbia.

Isn't it strange that Meghan and Harry weren't photographed all the while they were on their Canadian Christmas break but as soon as Harry leaves, Meghan is papped? Gee, I wonder how that happened?

Meghan is kind of plain looking without a ton of makeup on.

Interesting thoughts about the couple living in Canada. While the majority of the country likes them, they do not want to pay for them. Interestingly, Canadians prefer monarchy at a distance. The fact that they are coming to Canada having not been invited by the government presents challenges.

Harry needs something to occupy his time and give him a sense of accomplishment. It's possible that doing what Meghan wants him to do will work out for him. We'll see.

Meghan isn't as interesting from a gossip standpoint now that she's out. I'm glad she left since she was so unhappy (though I dislike they way they did it), but photos of her popping into various shelters dressed in her jeans and articles broadcasting her association with the latest woke causes are a big yawn.

So Harry is fine with Meghan mouthing off via her friends that the BRF is toxic, and that allowing Archie to grow up in that milieu and those relatives is akin to abuse. That is pointed way of saying the Cambridges are bad parents for allowing their children to grow up as royals, isn't it? There is really no going back from this for both Harry, the cut must run deep for William and PC since they were so close before Meghan came along. Now he's estranged from his own family over what exactly? A promise of money, of escape from royal doldrums, irreplaceable love from family? Of course now he has to go along with the poisonous attacks against his family because he's a greedy, entitled coward.

R444, this is what makes it a compelling, Edith Wharton or Thackeray-esque drama for me. Chelsy (apparently) didn't want to be a member of the BRF, and maybe she didn't want him to leave because of her either--what a huge thing to have hanging over your relationship. And then along comes Miss Markle. That H is just a means to an end for her is, for me, the likliest conclusion. But we'll see .... Anyhow, that why it's still interesting gossip for me, R456

In 15 years, William's kids will be happy and well adjusted and educated. Harry's kids will be spoiled, addicted to drugs, drop out from school and on the way to OD, not to mention full of nasty tats.

If Harry didn't want to be a working royal he had options. Stay in the military longer for one, he was pretty young to resign . On resignation he could have been "given" a role in the crown estates studying ecology/land management/conservation etc as a mirage while he carried on tossing it off as the playboy he likes to be.

I thought from the get go that she was too good/bright for that moron but now it seems they are two of a kind.

As far as racism in the royal family, well the only ones with evidence are Phillip ( at nearly 100 does it matter?) and Harry with his Nazi uniform, Paki and raghead comments and telling Stephen K Amos he doesn't sound like a black man... I wonder if he knew Stephen is gay? Probably would have told him he doesn't sound like a poofter what ho!

r404, maybe Bradby is looking for a USA career like Bashir did before it went tits up. I agree that establshed people will be wary of touching them.

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Yeah, Bradby seems to have put his professional existence in the UK in some peril. What kind of a news organization here in the U.S. would hire him? I guess he could be Harvey Levin's sidekick or something like that, but TMZ seems like the kind of outlet that would come out with the knives in their Harkle coverage.

R458 Oh, I'll still be here reading the Harry and Meghan relationship gossip. It's like a watching a slow train wreck that turns out to be a fast train wreck.

It's only Meghan's constant, virtue-signaling PR that bores me.

The Mail seems to have glued this to the top of existing copy:

Buckingham Palace is expected to release a statement on the couple 'imminently' on the terms of the couple's arrangement after Her Majesty ordered her courtiers to come up with a plan 'in days, not weeks'.

Nothing follows it... then there's copy about Megalomaniac picking up her pilates instructor. So maybe something breaks soon.

London is five hours ahead of the US East Coast. Assuming a statement is released, it will go out this evening there, so afternoon here. And lunchtime in Vancouver.

The best line about this whole situation came from Charles, reportedly to Harry: "When you're with someone dramatic, there will always be drama." It's an obvious but remarkable insight. And Charles sure knew what he was talking about, from painful experience.

Meghan is dramatic – she spent half her childhood hanging out on set – so there will always be drama. And I for one am here for it!

"The theory that Harry was looking for a way out contradicts what he himself said a few years ago (sorry, too lazy to google a source): that he took a hard look at it and decided to work within the system (BRF) to do good."

That shows he'd considered dropping out of the BRF earlier, and had decided against it. Which means it would be comparatively easy for someone good at making false promises about future wealth and independence to convince him that that even though it wouldn't have been a good idea then, it's a good idea NOW.

Poor sap. If he'd left earlier it would have been on his own terms and entirely for his own reasons, and whatever he'd accomplished rom then on would have led him towards maturity and self-actualization. But as it is, Meg is dragging him away like a prize she's wrested away from her enemies, while planning to charge people to look at her property from now on.

According to the DM, an announcement about finalisation of the Harkles' "deal" is imminent.

However, according to the Mirror, that is codswallop, as months of negotiation lie ahead - from the Express's report on the Mirror's "exclusive":

“'This is not something we can just magic up. Those at the Palace were left aghast as the Sussexes’ plans were revealed so soon after being virtually nonexistent apart from publishing a new website.

“It requires a great deal of work on complex issues such as tax, copyright, intellectual property, not to mention a legal agreement with the royal institution over using the royal brand in the private sector.

“There are legal issues to contend with, how future deals will be presented and of course who will be working with them.”

The insider added: “So many questions need addressing, all of which will take up to six months to get over the line.'"

The interesting bit there (if true, it goes without saying) is that Meghan may have copyrighted herself into the stratosphere, but that doesn't necessarily mean the name "Sussex" belongs to her, and that she won't be able to use it to make money in the private sector without a legal agreement with the monarchy.

It was bestowed by the Queen, not a title Harry was born with, like his HRH. I wonder the dopes didn't think about that when they began making their plans.

If the Queen decides to play hard ball and say she'll litigate who that title belongs to and her right to rescind it, all hell might break loose. I still don't believe the Queen has that in her, but Charles and William bloody well might.

People also forget that Sussex is a place. Although the title Duke of Sussex brings no land or revenues to the holder of the title, any more than York or Edinburgh do, the place and the title are connected. What made the Harkles think they could cavalierly go off and make money for themselves on a title connected to a specific place? After all, they made a "courtesy visit" to Sussex to acknowledge the connection in summer 2018, just as Charles and Diana made a courtesy visit to Wales to acknowledge between Wales and their formal titles.

How do the good folk of Sussex feel about the American grifter and the spoilt, petulant Dimwit prince using that connection to make money?

The title issue will I think be a major stumbling block on both sides, as retention of the title will cause one kind of headache for the monarchy, and rescinding the titles bring in accusation of petty vengeance.

Watch this space.

Well, of course Meghan didn't think of the legal issues when she was telling Harry that they're going to be rich and independent, and have all the plusses of royalty and none of the negatives.

If it turns out that she can't capitalize on her Duchesshood without having to get the Queen's okay on every move, she'll be out of there as fast as she can get a few million for tell-all interviews and a book deal.

I bet they want to draw a line under this and both newspapers are right.

So a framework will be announced clarifying the broad areas: residency, status of titles, royal role, funding, security etc. Part of it will probably be total bullshit ie. The Princess will continue to be regarded as a member of the family... (when Diana went overboard... I mean post divorce, Diana was pretty much always overboard)...

The actual specifics may take a long time.

Megalomaniac has been swanning around like someone who has left for good... it doesn't necessarily indicate she's got what she wants... she has a lifetime of moving on... this may just be one more.

I agree R472, Meghan looks thrilled to be out and like she's never going back. Although many couples spend time apart (including my own husband and me) there is a vibe to me that Harry and Meghan are no longer together. Who knows. Where's Archie anyway?

I can't see Meghan going back to do even a few window dressing engagements, she's let too many bad vibes out about the family, the country, her in-laws.

R472 - I agree. Meghan is like the proverbial shark: she has to keep things moving or they die. Stasis is not in her nature; the Next Big Thing is the motor that keeps her going.

There is some news coming out that the UK security apparatus is deciding that Prince Andrew should not be entitled to govt funded security as he is no longer performing royal duties and Meg fans are in a tizzy about it. They all of a sudden seem to care about "poor" Andrew's safety and security.-- after spending the last 10 days frothing at the mouth that their heroine was being victimized to get Andrew and his dealings out of the media spotlight.

Wonders never cease

I think the only occasion that will bring her back to the UK will be the funeral of P Philip.

Agree the only thing she dare show her face for is something with the least likelihood she will be booed in public. Although in even a few months I imagine nothing but indifference to her.

I read somewhere that she cannot keep her Duchess of Sussex like Fergie has in case they divorce because she is not a British citizen? Does anyone have any official information about this

[quote]Supposedly staff at Frogmore are being re-assigned or let go. I thought Harry was currently in residence though?

Realistically he's doing nothing but calling her, scratching his nuts and ordering pizza. So they probably just need one guy to help him tie his shoes in the morning.

R469, I think Harry lacked the courage to walk away. I think Meghan validated his feelings thereby giving him the courage to leave.

[quote]retention of the title will cause one kind of headache for the monarchy, and rescinding the titles bring in accusation of petty vengeance.

BS, accusations of vengeance. The way these two have gone, there will be vengeance if the BRF *doesn't* rescind. It may have looked petty a few weeks ago, but at this point - with the daily stories of merching a pap walking rolling in- it looks downright sensible.

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This song, and person, remind me of Meghan.

"Everybody wanna steal my crown....but it's not goin' down!"

R481 - The first thing the BRF sources reportedly said was "no one wants to punish Harry and Meghan" (although, in fact, that is what is called for). The rumours, if true, are that the BRF are willing to discuss letting the Harkles "become financially independent" by using a title the Queen bestowed upon them on the understanding that they were to be lifelong, full-time royals, but now as non-working royals. This tells you that HM and Charles are still more afraid of being called cruel to poor little Harry and his mixed-race wife, than they are of pissing off a British public by letting the two brats have their cake and eat it, too.

You might be right that the tide of public opinion has turned with the revelations of Meghan's nasty remarks about Britain, the royals, etc., her ongoing press manipulation with that obnoxious visit to the women's shelter after it turns out she initiated the visit and it was only to the staff office, she didn't meet a single at-risk client - it was nakedly a photo op for her timed to hit the papers the day the Cambridges went to Bradford, etc.

Yeah, it's all true - but just the same, I'll believe it when I see it.

She and Harry are staying for free in that Vancouver mansion, which is owned by Russian oligarch Yuri Milner. They're already revealing themselves as celebrity scoungers.

To answer the poster above who asked about Meghan's title: yes. She was allowed to use it as a courtesy so the custom of women taking their rank and style from their husband could be observed, but legally, it isn't hers for real (e.g., if she were widowed) until the ink is dry on her citizenship.

If Harry died tomorrow, she would no longer be a duchess and no longer an HRH.

That's why the title issues are so quirky. Even if the Queen strips Harry of his ducal title, Harry would remain HRH Prince Harry, and Meghan would become HRH Princess Henry. Same deal: if Harry died the next day, Meghan would lose the HRH Princess Henry title and go back to being Meghan Markle.

The real bargaining should be around Harry giving up the HRH he was born with, as well as his place and all his descendants in the line of succession, in return for which the Harkles are allowed to use "Sussex" as their brand, but without "Royal" after it. The BRF will "retire" the Sussex title after Harry and Meghan, anyway, because it's been disgraced.

But I'll never believe it. The Queen and Charles just don't have the balls to stick it Harry and Meghan, the way Harry and Meghan stuck it to them.

If anybody needs any proof of how many sockpuppet accounts Dumbvida has, simply look at the huge number of WWs her hateful posts get in this thread.

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R476 - "I think the only occasion that will bring her back to the UK will be the funeral of P Philip."

That should get the old boy out of his coffin double-quick.

Meghan's fans always complain that nobody in the BRF "stood up for her" when she was criticized because they're all racist, sexist and jealous. Perhaps they didn't stand up for her because the stories of her being difficult, divisive, controlling and mean are true. The silence from them was deafening.

Isn't Harry supposed to be winging his way back to Canada?

[quote]That's why the title issues are so quirky. Even if the Queen strips Harry of his ducal title, Harry would remain HRH Prince Harry, and Meghan would become HRH Princess Henry. Same deal: if Harry died the next day, Meghan would lose the HRH Princess Henry title and go back to being Meghan Markle.

I just don't think this is correct.

First, as cited many times, styles and titles are the sole prerogative of the Sovereign. There was a substantial body argued Wallis Simpson could not be denied the HRH by virtue of her marriage to an HRH but George VI decided it would be so, issued a Letters Patent and nobody challenged it legally - not even the aggrieved Duke of Windsor. Just as Camilla is, in fact, HRH the Princess of Wales by virtue of her marriage, but is known as Duchess of Cornwall.

Second, the issue isn't what you call yourself, it is what you are known and recognized as, under the sovereign's prerogative. Titles for wives extend from the husband unless granted in their own right (and conversely wives do not provide titles for husbands even if they hold a title in their own right... Princess Anne's husband is not the Prince Royal.) If Harry lost the dukedom he remains a royal (HRH) prince. If he died tomorrow she, as his legal wife, would be his widow and entitled to be known as HRH the Princess Henry of Wales, until she remarried, at which point her status would derive from her new husband, even if it only amounted to her no longer being recognized as HRH the Princess Henry of Wales because of her remarriage. Wallis Simpson remained Duchess of Windsor during the fourteen years of her widowhood. Her being America and no longer married had no bearing, That was her title.

If anyone can cite actual law otherwise Id like to see it but I don't believe Megalomaniac's titles have anything to do with her citizenship... it has to do with her marriage and that's legal.

Siri, what's the most tedious front page story ever published?

I'm rather proud of my Harry and Meghan commemorative plate. Much fancier than those cheap mugs. And a real collector's item!

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R486 - You said that twice.

Trevor is the better looking Harry.

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Cory isn't married, but he seems to be doing well too. He has a child with Canadian singer/songwriter Martina Sorbara of the band Dragonette. .

Wait, according to that article, Trevor dated Bethenney Frankel? Good grief.

It's a bit strange to see the RF dancing like this...

As a U.S. citizen, Meghan is prohibited from holding foreign titles. As such, her title is only a courtesy. As soon as they divorce, she goes back to being plain old Meghan Markle.

[quote] However, according to the Mirror, that is codswallop

Why must you sound like such an idiot? Why? You sound like a 90 yr old grandma who reads 1950's cozy British mysteries and insists on peppering their speech with all the old phrases. You don't sound British. You sound pathetic

R499 That's not true.

"Can a US citizen hold a foreign title? Article 1, Section 10 prohibits the states from granting any titles of nobility to anyone, whether they are citizens or not. ... However, the Constitution does not ban American citizens from receiving titles of nobility from other countries, and a child could actually be born into both."

Let's just see when the divorce comes. I have a strong feeling I'll be saying "I told you so".

Quoth the Mail: Last night, a source close to the negotiations claimed the talks had reached a stalemate. The source told the Mirror that the talks had hit a 'deadlock' and that there was 'huge pressure' to produce something by the end of this week but that it 'couldn't be done'.

This front page is worth posting again - hilarious. And a caution to the Sussexes about the value of 'staying royal', and how it affects one's brand:

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Interesting.....

R498

Perhaps strange to *you*, but not so much many others, well at least those familiar with BRF.

Ghillies Ball has been going on at Balmoral since Queen Victoria's day, but other landed families have held their own before and still.

Like Boxing Day it is another example of British (or Scottish in this case) class system. Ghillies balls were only occasions where upper class mingled and danced with their servants/staff. If you've seen Downton Abbey, in Season Three earl and his family go up to Scotland for annual Ghillies Ball (among other things).

In many ways Balmoral still serves functions Queen Victoria and Prince Albert designed and or wished. It is a place where monarch, consort and RF can get away and be themselves. Prince Phillip has been known to cook in his day, and HM doing the washing up.

I still shake my head at posts like R303... "Harry can sit on the board." Are you winding us up or do you understand so little of the world you posted that ridiculous notion in all seriousness?

For the first time in awhile, Megalomaniac is not the headline on the mail.com

I'd watch out for tomorrow though... the Sunday papers are the big day of the week.

Oh, God - the Dog Poo Hat.

Ugh, that smug smirk on that ugly bitch.

Message for Meghan.

The Maul reporting now Dim has to stay in Britain because negotiations have hit an impasse. Also that Megalomaniac and Dim are divided over where to live... she wants Toronto, he wants Vangroovy (which contradicts to some degree the Maul's earlier story that Mega was eyeing a 23M$ mansion.)

Dim better get this done. If she's free range she could find her next husband by the time he's sorted.

Her adoring gaze at Dim in R505 pic is the fakest fake that ever faked.

I've truly never seen such a butt ugly woman so full of herself. Its mindboggling. Her daddy spent years obviously lying to her.

I predict that Charles or William will restore their HRH titles when they ascend to the crown. Prince Andrew is back on the scene. How long will that last?

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The leaking begins...two of Archie's godparents have been revealed.

R517 - "I predict that Charles or William will restore their HRH titles when they ascend to the crown. Prince Andrew is back on the scene. How long will that last?"

There is nothing to "restore" - they haven't "lost" the titles, only agreed not to use them in exchange for Charles funding their luxurious lifestyle for years as they monetise their royal connections to make lots of money.

Harry remains HRH Prince Henry Charles Albert David.

In the event of a divorce without Meghan becoming a UK citizen, then she really will lose the unused HRH and the right to call herself, Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. She won't even be able to use it as a bargaining chip in the settlement, she'll lose it automatically, although they can always graciously let her go on calling herself Meghan, Duchess of Sussex if she agrees to visitation and custody and financial agreements.

But without that UK citizenship, the Sovereign can't "restore" anything to her in the event of a divorce.

Meanwhile, she remains and Harry remains, an HRH. So there's nothing to "restore".

And what Charles can restore, William can take away when King, although it's doubtful anyone will care by then.

William remains implacably Meghan's enemy. She was foolish to antagonise him so early in order to get Harry out from under William's influence.

The long game goes to William and Kate. It's one reason Meghan probably wanted out quickly.

And Charles is also William's father, remember.

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However, I think Harry will be too stupid to dump Meghan. He will cling on to her because he has nobody left. He will be away from his family and too stubborn to admit he made a mistake when everyone advised him otherwise...

Harry will have to screw all the whores, punch out paps, appear a drunken mess in public and maybe drunk drive (injure someone) etc for Meghan to divorce him...

Looking forward to all the shenanigans Harry will get up to...because you know he will! He will be bored out of his mind! Oh, I bet he will make some "racist" comment! He can't help himself, he a dumb cunt.

R522- I agree, not least because all of this doesn't represent Harry resolving or working through any of his glaring issues, but acting out, instead.

Acting out rather than facing and resolving issues usually ends badly. Meghan is clearly the driver here, Harry the passenger.

When the spasms of satisfied fury that acting out produces subside because the "goal" has been reached, the unresolved issues will go dormant until new realities that the "self" deceived itself about to get to the goal emerge.

A Meghan meme.

Harry could use this time to work on his psychological issues. Intensive therapy, wouldn't that be great?

R521 Misha's husband (heir to the Hess oil fortune) has offered one of his 3 Malibu houses for H&M to stay in, so I imagine that MM will be doing a deal w/ Misha. Also wasn't it Misha who introduced H&M? Some think it was some other woman, an aristo.

Misha's clothes aren't that great but they are better than the Givenchy wedding dress designer. The Givenchy designer also was responsible for the hideous covered-shoulder, tin soldier outfit.

At least Meghan won't have to wear those ugly, matronly hats and long outfits anymore. I hope she stays away from Erdem and his granny's sofa floral dresses.. She probably won't since he's Canadian.

R520 Well, this article says otherwise. But who knows, it may be wrong. Can you link to an article where it says that H&M aren't giving up their HRH but just agreeing not to use them?

I don't think that H&M should accept the offer of a Hess Malibu house because his fortune is due to oil. It's not good optics for H&M.

R582, I don't think they care, they are staying in a lux mansion owned by a Russian with close ties to Putin!

Piers Morgan shoots his mouth off - AGAIN.

R528

Beggars can't be choosers! For fun look up some of the people d. and dss. of Windsor kept up with; basically anyone who was white, wealthy and offered to pay their expenses was game.

They'regonna be fine. They will be asked as presenters at the Oscars and will be given a standing o.

R531 In the 1950's their nickname was "Commerce and Industry" because they were being bankrolled by so many American millionaires on their twice-yearly visits to the US. On an American ship, the SS United States, because Cunard got sick of them and their 60 pieces of luggage and their pug dogs on the Queen Mary because they wanted the biggest suite on the ship for free. The Americans did it for nothing for the publicity but back then, the Brits needed the money.

R533

Imagine hauling this lot round world... and this was only the dss of W's luggage for a short visit to Palm Beach.

"I've only brought along a few refugee rags from France," the duchess told the press in 1941. She had 20 pieces of luggage for a three-day stay. "

At least Joan Collins manages with slightly fewer cases

Continuing with parallels to Duke of Windsor, that poor man was very unhappy for most of his life post abdication. Yes, he put a good face on things (what else could an ex-king do?), but after full weight of what he had given up and done sank in; along with casting his lot with that harpie Wallis Simpson he wanted to sit down an weep. If stories are correct this happened more than a few times (weeping).

Mohamed al Fayed bought the Bois de Boulogne home of d. and dss. of Windsor after latter's death including contents. As things were being prepared for auction plenty of garments embroidered with "Edward VIII" were found. These items were old, worn and darned to death, but apparently the duke wouldn't part with those mementos from his time as king.

It's sad when you think about it; Duke and Duchess of Windsor spent rest of their sad lives travelling and acquiring "stuff". Virtually all of it was schemed out of the dss by that jewess lawyer and ended up scattered around the globe.

They will be fine. Netflix is interested. They'll present documentaries on various issues and be paid exceptionally well.

From the Guardian:

Netflix is among global companies already eyeing them up. The streaming giant’s chief content officer, Ted Sarandos, said of working with the couple: “Who wouldn’t be interested? Yes, sure.”

Their soon-to-be new status as non-working royals could see them following the example of former US first couple, Barack and Michelle Obama, who agreed a production deal with Netflix to make TV and film projects.

The couple were unwilling to subject themselves to any financial scrutiny or review in future contracts they struck. The trade-off was they could not use their HRH styles, though they retain them.

Divorce is imminent, the Palace knows this, the reigning Monarch at the time of divorce can authorize Harry's use of HRH at any time. Now we simply wait until Meghan has squeezed every bit of cache she can out of their marriage, at which time she tells Harry that they are divorcing, to which he will comply.

Good, I hope she disappears like Paris Hilton did.

Divorce isn't all that imminent. Maybe the marriage will fail soon enough, as Harry starts to realize he's sold his birthright for a mess of pottage, but he will put off crawling back to Charles and Will as long as he can. I bet he'll stick with Meggles long after he gets sick of her shit, because of the kid or kids, and he is a dolt who won't be able to see a clear way out.

And she'll keep him around as long as he's her primary source of fame and money, which will be for the forseeable future. She'll never be hugely popular on her own, and what are the odds she'll be able upgrade from Harry when she's past forty and has at least one kid.

R528 - H&M's awareness of and concern for "optics" seems to be very much a sometime thing.

Dan Wootton at the Sun (who broke the whole Megxit story first) has a story up stating William and Harry came together in recent days to 'broker a truce' between them, before Harry moved away. Some of the bitterness was calmed, but for whatever reason things are still 'difficult' between both men and their father Charles.

This echos the recent piece by Camilla Tominey in the Spectator (posted in one of these threads) that also said the main rift is between both sons and Dad, and not necessarily between Harry and William as has been popularly portrayed.

Divorce isn't imminent at all. Harry would not have resigned from the BRF if it was and he wouldn't have happily spent six weeks in America and Canada with her, either. This couple are quite lazy and want to spend time raising their children together, without being interrupted by royal waving duties every few days. As private citizens they can pick and choose a few big commercial projects that will give them a lot more money than the Sovereign Grant and also give them a lot more free time.

R411 of course they can go unpapped in LA. But who says she wants that?

Every A-lister - or their pr team - has a pap on payroll and on call. Every one. She will be no different.

wrong thread ^^ @ r544 (sorry)

[quote]As private citizens they can pick and choose a few big commercial projects that will give them a lot more money than the Sovereign Grant

^^ This remains to be seen. So many are so positive that there are pots of gold awaiting H&M in exile. I believe they'll make some money, sure, but to ginormous levels, as has been predicted by their supporters? I have doubts.

I don't see that it matters really about who fell out with who. Harry and his wife are off and hopefully not bothering the Uk but about to thrill the USA with their glorious presence. Oh you lucky lucky Americans!

I imagine over the years they'll eventually get bored with each other, bicker, drift into affairs. The separation from Harry's family will always be a thing between them.

r548, i would agree, but this woman does everything on speed dial so I would go weeks or months rather than years here.

R543, M might have different ideas than Harry, though.

In any case, now begins a life without the rush of newlywedom and "us against the world." I guess the new commercial opportunities will provide distraction, but otherwise I see Meghan up and emailing at 5 and spending the rest of the day networking, doing yoga, playing lady bountiful, etc while Harry hangs out with the nanny and Archie.

R538 - "Divorce is imminent" . . .

And you know this how?

I doubt it - somewhere down the road, certainly, Meghan doesn't like standing still, but Meghan hasn't nearly milked Charles and her (still intact status as a Princess of the United Kingdom, which she will be using on her passport for some time to come until that citizenship application either dies of attrition or is nailed down).

Besides, she needs another baby to increase any settlement she gets in a divorce.

No, she gets nothing out of an imminent divorce but nasty labels and press with the full encouragement of the BRF shrieking, "We told you so! We told you so!"

If things don't work out as planned and they are surrounded by headaches with the taxman, business regs, people somehow not falling for the Markle-Nonoo-Mulroney mystique and-or getting bored with her very quickly once she's not appearing in photo ops on the balcony of Buck House at the Trooping the Colour . . .

Then it might come down the pike more quickly - or, and I say this not believing it as I type the words, but after the fiasco the BRF allowed by letting Harry marry her and then having to take the hit for the mess the rest of us knew she would make of it . . . deciding that being fully royal wasn't such a bad gig after all, and she misses toxic Old Blighty more than she thought she would . . . and sliding back in.

That's one of the assumptions behind HM's naked hypocrisy in not fully rescinding (that is, telling Harry to surrender it formally or no money from Papa) the Sussex title, so that they don't get to monetise "Sussex". There wasn't much she could do about the HRH, as Harry was born royal, but one of the two had to go completely.

What a farce. The Telegraph has a piece up stating that BP is already rowing back on forcing them to pay rent on Frogmore like anyone else once the renovation bill is paid (by Charles, of course - he won't allow Harry to take the sum in toto out of his trust fund). I haven't read that anywhere else, yet, but if true, the outlines of the stitch-up are becoming clearer by the day.

Arise, Britons, and throw off the yoke of these corrupt charlatans!

(At least put in William and Kate, instead . . . then all we'll have to be indignant about is Kate's pussy-bows, high necklines, maidenly hemlines, and buttons).

[quote]which she will be using on her passport for some time to come until that citizenship application

That citizenship application has been misplaced (read circular filed) per a quiet word in Immigration's ear. It's the last carrot the BRF have, a means to save themselves a shitload of money and aggro when the divorce happens. A dang furriner has far less leverage than a Brit citizen.

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And Harry says...

What's she got to be strong and OK about? This was her doing. She wanted this. She may well have planned it.

But at least someone talked about her being OK. We know that's important and not many people did.

In other words, r555, even her own mother thinks Meghan is fine and doesn't understand why she's kicking up such a big fuss about the media's supposedly beastly treatment of her.

Doria was not quoted directly and I doubt ever would have; she's too discreet and too savvy. It was all "a source" said kind of stuff.

Serena Williams, on the other hand, WAS asked about H&M and bluntly refused to comment on it, but said, "Nice try" to the reporter.

Typically, the Celebitchy fraus who screeched that Harry's former white blue-eyed blonde ex-GF when she refused to comment "That as a white lady she should have said something about the racism!!!!!" think it's the "act of a good friend" that Serena didn't.

Of course, that Cressida Bonas considered herself a good friend of Harry's and therefore didn't comment for the same reason Serena Williams didn't, doesn't compute for the delusionals on CB, who by the way are becoming more delusional by the day.

In fact, I think it rather more significant that Serena, a WoC, whose Mum gave Meghan the side-eye when Meghan showed up uninvited to the US Open match that Serena lost so disastrously in September, couldn't even come up with a, "Well, I wish them the best, hope things get better for them."

It doesn't occur to them that Serena doesn't give f.a. what Meghan and Harry are doing, wasn't too happy with Meghan showing up like that (athletes tend to be extremely superstitious and every time Meghan shows up, Serena loses), and Serena's husband apparently made some remarks via Twitter that are being interpreted as unsympathetic toward Meghan.

R558, I do think her mother is denying her daughter's concerns. She is being supportive as she is building her daughter up as opposed to tearing her down.

R558, I do think her mother is denying her daughter's concerns. She is being supportive as she is building her daughter up as opposed to tearing her down.

She's not a princess. Her courtesy title, by being married to the Duke of Sussex, is Duchess. She'll never be a Princess.

R562 - One - More - Time:

A royal duke carries the rank of Prince. Thusly, their wives take the STYLE and TITLE of Royal Highnesses, in other words, PRINCESSES.

On Kate Middleton's passport and on her children's birth registrations, where it says Mother's Occupation, it says PRINCESS OF THE UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN, despite the fact that her "usage" title is HRH The Duchess of Cambridge.

As Meghan is married to a royal duke, as well as a Prince of the Blood, yes, her rank is fucking PRINCESS, and that's also what it says on her passport and her kid's birth registration. If the Queen hadn't given Harry a royal dukedom for his wedding, Meghan would have been styled and titles, HRH the fucking PRINCESS HENRY. Ditto Kate: without that Cambridge ducal title, she would have been the fucking PRINCESS WILLIAM.

So, yes, Meghan carries the RANK of Princess of the United Kingdom unless and until Harry surrenders all claims to his title of Prince and Duke, or they get divorced before or in the absence of a finalised UK citizenship, or he dies before same, in which case she loses all titles and styles automatically because she was allowed, even though not a UK citizen, to use them as a courtesy.

Is it clear? Are we clear?!y

She and Kate are Princesses of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, one technically and one only by courtesy, but using formally their respective Duchess of titles.

Meghan is nothing, r563.

R564 - I can't stand the bitch myself but I am nevertheless capable of accepting simple factual information.

She's a fucking Princess. I doubt she'll die one, but she is for the moment.

Get over it.

Whoa the Titles Troll went off!

Meghan is a fucking princess, funded by the private revenues of the man who will soon be King of England. She is very much someone, R564.

Anyone can call themselves a Princess and technically not be one.

[quote] Anyone can call themselves a Princess and technically not be one.

Tell me about it, but at least my mother is a real one, so I'm entitled to use a title that isn't mine for marketing purposes.

R566 must be American. There has not been a "King of England" for several hundred years. One day, when Scotland decides to go it alone, then there may be a King of England again.

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R569, you fucking ridiculous pedantic imbecile. NOBODY CARES OR WANTS YOU HERE with your ludicrous 2000 word, OCD type rants about titles. You have NOTHING useful to add to any of these threads that you haven't said a thousand times already.

Harry will be the son of the King of the UK! Does that sound better? Still ROYAL and still thought of as royal, as he will be until he dies. Even if he calls himself Harry Mountbatten Windsor, the whole world knows and thinks of him as Prince Harry.

r559 the contingent at Fraubitchy have gone completely UNHINGED in the past few weeks. It's like any bare semblance of logic and factual discussion has gone completely out the window over there. Your example about the double standard applied to the Bonas-Serena comments is a but a mere highlight.

The same bunch who cooed and ooohd and aaahd not even two years ago over the 'woke' BRF and their embrace of the DoS, her beautiful wedding, the clothes, the trips, the exposure given by proximity to them, is now termed "foul", "toxic", "cruel and heartless" over their allegedly violently awful treatment of both H&M, since the beginning of their relationship. The worm turns in a second over there, with little rhyme or reason.

They are esp pressed that the HRHs were removed for public use. This, even though that rank/style comes from being royal and part of the very institution that H&M want to bolt far away from, and renounce completely. Archaic old "toxic" stylings, given for accident of birth; yet still desired for building a new progressive brand and minting new $ from it. You'd think they'd want to renounce all rank and titles completely. It boggles.

"Serena Williams, on the other hand, WAS asked about H&M and bluntly refused to comment on it, but said, "Nice try" to the reporter."

That's Meghan's "bestie" alright, being her usual bitchy, cunty self as per usual.

One tiny problem, R563: Megalomaniac isn't a British citizen so Mega won't have a British passport to say princess, princess.

R563:

R571

Are you off your meds again? It wasn't me....

He calls me the Title Troll too. Hmph!

Meghan papped out on private walk with Archie and her dogs, in Vancouver.

Pundits in the thread rightly note that this kind of privacy violation wouldn't have happened in the UK, where royals are mostly protected from pap intrusion when off-duty. Rare to see pap pics of the royals there.

This will be H&M's reality going forward.

On the bright side, it appears that Guy the Beagle is still with us (?), and didn't meet his grisly end as was rumored a few years ago. His first public sighting in some time.

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So Serena is a bitchy cunt for not dishing on a friend in an interview that was supposed to be about tennis? Oh okay.

I hear you, R568

R579, I am wondering how this is going to be spinned to make Meghan the heavy even though she was not there.

R572 They are so emotionally invested it's not even funny. WAY back when Harry first started dating Meghan, I (being the DL hair troll) jokingly suggested on Twitter that Meghan might want to cut her hair or otherwise style it to differentiate herself from Kate. WELL! The brigade we now know as "sugars" came after me like nobody's business!

Meghan is not, nor will she ever be, a princess. She is now no longer royal. She really is a nobody. It's going to be fun watching her "brand" crash and burn.

Poor, naive little r577 who actually believes that Meghan was papped while on a "private" walk and that she didn't call them herself.

Here I go mommy-shaming again: that dangling baby in the paparazzi pic at 577; Archie looks like he's hanging on for dear life. For someone so into her image and branding, she doesn't know how to stage a good mommy-baby picture.

^ R577

Dear Lord here we go again with Meghan is not a Princess.

The Queen left her the title of HRH The Duchess of Sussex, her passport says, "Occupation: Princess of the United Kingdom."

She has been told not to use it; she hasn't had it taken away by Letters Patent.

Until the divorce or death of her husband, or until he requests to be relieved of his title and style, she's a Princess.

Dear Lord here were go again: Meghan is not a British citizen so she does not have a British passport to say: Occupation: Princess of the United Kingdom.

Hey this lady isn't a Princess of the United Kingdom either.... IN PART BECAUSE OCCUPATION ISN'T INCLUDED.

Do you really think Meghan will "do as she is told" with regard to not using the title "Princess?" This girl does whatever she wants, with seemingly no consequences.

R491 - There have already been consequences - this isn't how Meghan envisioned all this playing out.

My guess is that she was genuinely shocked to find out that the Queen really considered taking back the Sussex title and the HRH style, that she wouldn't be able to cherry pick her level of royal involvement, hold onto Frogmore for free, and still merch SussexRoyal to her heart's content.

I think she thought she'd win it all, and is furious at how it turned out. Hence, the spiteful comments leaked through friends.

I think Meghan is the type who deceives herself about outcomes. She deceived herself about how easily she'd become the adored Diana 2.0, too, and about how much rope she'd have to shape her role.

When that didn't play out as she envisioned, she deceived herself, and I believe Harry, as well, about how easy it would be to make boatloads of money whilst keeping their fingers in the royal pie.

Now, she's deceiving herself about the possible consequences of publicly disrespecting the Queen and Charles just days after the ink is dry on the agreement.

There are always consequences. If she creates enough bad feeling, the Queen and Charles do have more punitive cards in their deck to play. They may not like the idea, but they didn't like the idea of Harry leaving, either - but in the end, they accepted it and played some hardball.

The BRF can play more hardball: with titles, styles, financial support (especially in the event of a divorce or Harry's untimely death), and closed doors that one day Harry, at least, is going to wish were open again.

She's a fool.

[quote]Continuing with parallels to Duke of Windsor, that poor man was very unhappy for most of his life post abdication.

"That poor man," the Nazi sympathizer who would have handed the UK over to Herr Hitler upon some kind of Munich-like promise about his monarchy? How can you even type that without feeling ashamed for yourself while baiting the Western democracies that fought tooth and nail against fascism? Jesus fuck us all.

Datalounge has become incredibly derelict recently.

Pa pa pa pa paparazzi

Harry's spent his whole life in authoritarian hierarchies with a clear chain of command, both in is family, at his school, in the military. He's going to find life on the outside confusing and difficult, because he's not used to interacting without a framework of rank, and he's too stupid to learn. I think he's going to be very unhappy living on the outside, especially if Meghan does what I think she'll do and drag him to LA and Hollywood.

But I don't think that'll send him crawling back to the royal family, he's stupid and immature and will probably blame them for "driving him away", because he won't want to take any responsibility and it will be some times before he begins to blame the little wife. I bet he doesn't go back to dad even after the divorce, IMHO even then he'll continue to live as a free-lance embarrassment, rather than re-assume his inherited responsibilities.

shrugs...Princess ain't in her title. She ain't no princess.

shrugs - tell that to the passport/immigration/border authorities.

r597, It might be in the occupation space on her child#s birth certificate. but it isn't paid employment for immigration purposes, nor is it listed on your passport as r590 shows. As a non working ex royal she no longer gets tp claim diplomatic visits either.

I didn't suggest it was paid employment for immigration purposes. And it sure as hell isn't listed on MY passport.

Nor did I suggest that she was still entitled to diplomatic privileges.

I suggested, and maintain that she is still, by courtesy not right whilst still not a UK citizen, a member of the royal family with the rank of fucking Princess by virtue of being married to a fucking Prince of the blood.

She is, whether you like it or not, still a member of the British royal family until such time as she and Harry are divorced, or she is widowed before becoming a UK citizen, in which case her title, her "style", and her royal status melt away like snow in the sunshine, or until the Queen wises up to Meghan's penchant for vicious bitchery no matter how nice the Queen is to her, and revokes her fucking royal title and her HRH for real.

But until then, as long as she is married to Prince Harry and he remains an HRH, she is one also. A Royal Highness carries the rank of Princess.

Whether she's working at it or not.

r599, so why lie that passport /immigration think she is a princess,it is a courtesy title and not hers in her own right. If he doesn't use his HRH dhe can't use one that isn't hers. You are silly.