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House Judiciary Committee Impeachment Hearing

They are already bickering. Trying to argue Shiff needs to testify.

Nadler will not be bullied.

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by Anonymousreply 600December 11, 2019 1:17 PM

Professor Feldman gives testimony on what impeachment means as the republicans try to interrupt

by Anonymousreply 1December 4, 2019 2:40 PM

Nadler is not as smooth as Schiff. This will just be an opportunity to arguing and won't be as interesting as the intelligence committee.

by Anonymousreply 2December 4, 2019 2:41 PM

Between the screaming and interrupting, the Repugs are like 7-year olds.

by Anonymousreply 3December 4, 2019 2:41 PM

Professor pings a little, no?

by Anonymousreply 4December 4, 2019 2:42 PM

Professor is doing a good job explaining why Cheatolini should be impeached.

by Anonymousreply 5December 4, 2019 2:44 PM

Feldman came prepared: he kept right on talking, ignoring the Repug 'Rassling Team as they tried to interrupt his opening statement with frivolous points of order. The good professor is not having it!

Lock and load, buckle up and pass the tequila.

by Anonymousreply 6December 4, 2019 2:49 PM

Fuck the Repugs.

by Anonymousreply 7December 4, 2019 2:50 PM

Nadler is under pressure to look and perform to the level of Schiff. The Republicans are in sheer desperation. These interruptions....

The Democrats (in my opinion) are coming across at the moment as being unprepared to rebut the Republican shenanigans.

by Anonymousreply 8December 4, 2019 2:52 PM

Let's waste as much time as we can. No facts so delay, delay, delay.

by Anonymousreply 9December 4, 2019 2:53 PM

Professor Pamela "takes no tea for the fever!" She read Collins' ass!

by Anonymousreply 10December 4, 2019 2:55 PM

Karlin was on fire!

by Anonymousreply 11December 4, 2019 3:02 PM

Who is this aspie behind Gerhardt at the moment who looks like he should be in second period?

by Anonymousreply 12December 4, 2019 3:04 PM

I love Karlan. What passion. She really conveys the sense of urgency to act, and the magnitude of the evil perpetrated by Trump. I loved the way she gave historical context for the right to vote, how sacred it is, how evil and vile election tampering by a foreign adversary was.

by Anonymousreply 13December 4, 2019 3:04 PM

I am amazed at the young people there. They seem too young to be on their way to a career in government or law.

by Anonymousreply 14December 4, 2019 3:06 PM

If the Republicans insist on calling Schiff, then what's to stop the Democrats from calling Nunes? He has much to hide. He'd shit himself on the stand.

by Anonymousreply 15December 4, 2019 3:07 PM

Ok, that kid behind Gerhardt is starting to get distracting.

Shouldn't you be in school right about now young man?

by Anonymousreply 16December 4, 2019 3:07 PM

The people in the background are generally reporters, they were in the last hearing.

by Anonymousreply 17December 4, 2019 3:08 PM

I agree R15, Nunes should be called as a witness to account for his own involvement in this conspiracy.

by Anonymousreply 18December 4, 2019 3:10 PM

Mr. Gerhardt seems to be covering all the bases on Trump's excuses even to shooting someone on 5th Avenue.

by Anonymousreply 19December 4, 2019 3:12 PM

Jon Turley used to be a commentator on Keith Olbermann’s show. Since then, I think he’s taken more conservative positions.

by Anonymousreply 20December 4, 2019 3:13 PM

Can someone explain to me how some others can think the evidence isn’t enough to impeach?

Dear fucking god.

by Anonymousreply 21December 4, 2019 3:15 PM

Got in the car and caught this in action. Who was the Repug with the cornpone accent who complained that impeachment was planned from the start because the dems just didn't like Trump? Right now I'm just calling him Cunt.

by Anonymousreply 22December 4, 2019 3:15 PM

Mr. Collins, R22.

by Anonymousreply 23December 4, 2019 3:16 PM

R17 - Dana Milbank seated alongside "sick day girl."

Ah shit! Here's Turley whose opening statement allegedly is eight times the length of his colleagues'. Will Nadler permit him to read it in its entirety? He is, as you know, the Repug 'Rassling Team's selection to testify.

by Anonymousreply 24December 4, 2019 3:16 PM

They’re being timed. He can’t go over, more than to finish his current paragraph.

by Anonymousreply 25December 4, 2019 3:18 PM

Thanks R25.

by Anonymousreply 26December 4, 2019 3:19 PM

Wasn't Turley PRO Clinton impeachment 21 years ago?

Now he's anti-Impeachment for Trump?

Yeah, he's a Democrat.

by Anonymousreply 27December 4, 2019 3:19 PM

Turley is saying that crimes haven’t been broken. How can anyone say bribery and extortion weren’t committed? It’s obvious. Truly is wrong.

by Anonymousreply 28December 4, 2019 3:20 PM

Here goes the Repukes again.

by Anonymousreply 29December 4, 2019 3:21 PM

As with the last hearing, the Democrats talk about what Trump did and the Republicans attack and try to slow down the process.

by Anonymousreply 30December 4, 2019 3:22 PM

Whistleblower!

by Anonymousreply 31December 4, 2019 3:23 PM

Yes, I simply don’t see how you can look at the evidence thus far assembled and not see clearly that what tRump did was absolutely illegal.

by Anonymousreply 32December 4, 2019 3:23 PM

Motioned to table. Roll Call. Do they think the result will change? HAHA!

by Anonymousreply 33December 4, 2019 3:23 PM

Again with the whistleblower. At this point, it's pointless. We are well beyond anything the whistleblower has to offer and knowig who the whistleblower is won't change anything.

by Anonymousreply 34December 4, 2019 3:25 PM

The witnesses are showing FABULOUS emotion! WONDERFUL television!

by Anonymousreply 35December 4, 2019 3:31 PM

It's all they got, r34. I like Feldman's hair-do. I wish I still had that much hair.

by Anonymousreply 36December 4, 2019 3:33 PM

Prof Feldman and Karlan are fantastic! Clear, concise and passionate.

Talk about an A gay (he may not be, but he pings to me)! Very different from some tank top wearing instathot.

by Anonymousreply 37December 4, 2019 3:34 PM

What Trump and his crew did to Zelensky sounds uncomfortably like a bunch of guys trying to coerce a girl for sex.

"Just do it, we'll live stream it, and then we won't kill your dog."

by Anonymousreply 38December 4, 2019 3:35 PM

R36 - They seek to do-away with the concept of whistleblower protection and establish a new precedence.

by Anonymousreply 39December 4, 2019 3:37 PM

Oh, hell. Feldman is Gay. How could he not be? If he has a woman wife I want to meet her...and her secret side piece. I LOVE his hair style!

by Anonymousreply 40December 4, 2019 3:38 PM

I think Feldman’s wife is sitting behind him on screen right

by Anonymousreply 41December 4, 2019 3:39 PM

Pammy is just so enthusiastic and excited! I LIKE HER!

by Anonymousreply 42December 4, 2019 3:43 PM

Professor Karlan is doing a FANTASTIC job. She is like dozens of strong, smart women lawyers I worked with at the Justice Department, where she served.

by Anonymousreply 43December 4, 2019 3:44 PM

Feldman. Cumberbatch's next role.

by Anonymousreply 44December 4, 2019 3:45 PM

More love for Pamala from me. I just think that those hardcore trump republicans will not be moved or care for the truth.

by Anonymousreply 45December 4, 2019 3:45 PM

Perfect, R44.

by Anonymousreply 46December 4, 2019 3:46 PM

Nader has quite a head of hair. He looks like Phil Dunphy's Dad though.

by Anonymousreply 47December 4, 2019 3:47 PM

Come on with it, Miss Pamela!

by Anonymousreply 48December 4, 2019 3:50 PM

All this talk of the Constitution of the United States of America.

Too bad Trump knows nothing about the Constitution. And I will stick my neck out to say that republicans Gaetz, Lesko, Jordan know nothing about the revered document.

by Anonymousreply 49December 4, 2019 3:53 PM

Nadler didn't get where he is because of his perfectly toned abs.

by Anonymousreply 50December 4, 2019 3:54 PM

Mail order turkey!

by Anonymousreply 51December 4, 2019 3:54 PM

LET HER SPEAK! LET HER SPEAK!!!! Give Miss Pamela all of the time she needs!

by Anonymousreply 52December 4, 2019 3:54 PM

LOL R50.

by Anonymousreply 53December 4, 2019 3:55 PM

The Constitution is all we've got, R49 Ethan, and it's all in there.

by Anonymousreply 54December 4, 2019 3:56 PM

The only part of this hearing that will get to the non-MSNBC and CNN media will be the soundbites when the Republicans start questioning and discounting this testimony. The shit storm is still to come.

by Anonymousreply 55December 4, 2019 3:56 PM

I want to "audit" Professor Feldman's "class" all day and night.

by Anonymousreply 56December 4, 2019 3:57 PM

Feldman and Karlan are beating the hell out of the Republicans and when the Republicans come at them they’re going to make them look so stupid. I want to see Feldman and Karlan skewering Drunkie Gaetz and Gym Socks and their nonsensical statements.

by Anonymousreply 57December 4, 2019 3:59 PM

R54, I was being a bit sarcastic with my statement at 49. I agree, it's all we have.

by Anonymousreply 58December 4, 2019 4:01 PM

Are they purposely leaving Turley out of the questioning sk he doesn’t skew against impeachment?

by Anonymousreply 59December 4, 2019 4:02 PM

You aren't sticking your neck out even one millimeter, r49. Or more likely, they're just too corrupt to care about the Constitution.

by Anonymousreply 60December 4, 2019 4:06 PM

FABULOUS morning for the Democrats and for our nation! FABULOUS!!!!

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by Anonymousreply 61December 4, 2019 4:07 PM

Oops, That is Norm Eisen who looks like Phil Dunphy.

by Anonymousreply 62December 4, 2019 4:08 PM

"....a ten minute humanitarian recess"

by Anonymousreply 63December 4, 2019 4:10 PM

R59 - Turley, the 'Rassling Team's lone handpicked witness, is a hostile one and so the Democrats are not going to waste time and give him more time at the microphone than is necessary. The Repugs will overuse him at their risk as he may provide lengthy answers that cut into the clock.

by Anonymousreply 64December 4, 2019 4:12 PM

Nadler was my congressman for many years before I moved. He used to be grossly obese but had surgery for it. I don't know how successful he'll be running the hearing (he has to live up to the memory of Schiff) but he definitely is one of the good guys. I was very proud of his being my representative.

by Anonymousreply 65December 4, 2019 4:13 PM

This hearing is giving a lot of good sound bites for the media. It’s good that these law professors are giving real life hypotheticals. Average Americans might not think they can understand the Constitution but they can easily understand the concepts when presented as everyday scenarios.

by Anonymousreply 66December 4, 2019 4:22 PM

Noah Feldman reminds me of Gilderoy Lockhart.

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by Anonymousreply 67December 4, 2019 4:22 PM

Tuned in late, R10 - anybody have a clip of that??

by Anonymousreply 68December 4, 2019 4:23 PM

Ugh, Nader used to be fat and now he isn’t. Who the fuck cares???? Superficial gays are so useless.

by Anonymousreply 69December 4, 2019 4:27 PM

R65 - On behalf of Mr. Nadler's Hell's Kitchen constituents I, too, wish to express our pride in his participation and leadership in these historic proceedings. Yes, he is a good man who continues to serve us honorably and who truly loves his district, city, state and nation.

by Anonymousreply 70December 4, 2019 4:28 PM

Collins goes on about distracting nonsense. Gives Turley free reign.

by Anonymousreply 71December 4, 2019 4:36 PM

I hate that CBS uses Turley on their panels.

by Anonymousreply 72December 4, 2019 4:38 PM

Just as with his opening statement, I had to put Rep. Collins on mute. I just can't handle his pronounced southern accent. My weakness. Since I'm watching on my computer, there is no way to get his statement close captioned.

I agree with Turley, that impeachments should not be rushed, but this one is very different. Elections are coming up, and the evidence is so damning.

by Anonymousreply 73December 4, 2019 4:39 PM

What a drip.

Does he still teach?

It would be a hoot if students started dropping Turley’s classes in droves.

by Anonymousreply 74December 4, 2019 4:40 PM

What more proof does Turley need? But committing perjury about a blow job was a threat to our nation?

by Anonymousreply 75December 4, 2019 4:41 PM

Turley: Close enough is not good enough. According to the rest of the panel, it is more than close enough.

by Anonymousreply 76December 4, 2019 4:42 PM

The record doesn't show obstruction?????

by Anonymousreply 77December 4, 2019 4:42 PM

I wish his hair WOULD catch on fire.

by Anonymousreply 78December 4, 2019 4:43 PM

Turley gives the Repubs all the cover they need. "See, constitutional experts don't agree." That's all they need. An additional observation is Turley is "full of himself" and smarmy. You can just smell the unfettered self-regard.

by Anonymousreply 79December 4, 2019 4:44 PM

I hate to get off subject here, but that guy sitting behind Turley has major cocksucking lips. Good Lord!

by Anonymousreply 80December 4, 2019 4:45 PM

I hope we get to discuss the differences between fellatio and treason.

by Anonymousreply 81December 4, 2019 4:45 PM

[quote]"See, constitutional experts don't agree." That's all they need.

I agree. But, to get around that is to dig up how much this guy's opinions have been challenged.

by Anonymousreply 82December 4, 2019 4:45 PM

Rethugs aren’t going to ask the other three because they know they’ll get checked

by Anonymousreply 83December 4, 2019 4:47 PM

Wasn't even perjury. Perury is lying to conceal a crime. Blowjob ain't no crime.

by Anonymousreply 84December 4, 2019 4:48 PM

Collins' accent makes him sound like a hick.

by Anonymousreply 85December 4, 2019 4:48 PM

Turley is getting paid, I'm sure of it.

by Anonymousreply 86December 4, 2019 4:49 PM

"I've been friends with Bill Barr for a long time ..."

No kidding.

by Anonymousreply 87December 4, 2019 4:50 PM

Irregardless? Who is this hillbilly Ranking Member?

by Anonymousreply 88December 4, 2019 4:51 PM

“Irregardless...”

by Anonymousreply 89December 4, 2019 4:52 PM

Democrats should find out ASAP how much money Turley has given to the Republicans and to Trump. Play this just like the Republicans would play it. DESTROY HIM IN CROSS-EXAMINATION!

by Anonymousreply 90December 4, 2019 4:53 PM

"Obama"

DRINK!

by Anonymousreply 91December 4, 2019 4:53 PM

Not only does Collins sound like the white trash hick that he is, he’s talking so fast like the end of one of those car commercials where they speed up the terms of the special financing.

by Anonymousreply 92December 4, 2019 4:53 PM

Is Turley suggesting constitutional professor and President Barrack Obama be subpoenaed to appear before the Senate?

by Anonymousreply 93December 4, 2019 4:54 PM

Turley has an extremely punchable face.

by Anonymousreply 94December 4, 2019 4:56 PM

Lawfare's Susan Hennessey:

I cannot emphasis enough that Turley is literally just making things up right now. Claiming that impeaching on obstruction without waiting for the courts to weigh in is abuse, that's literally just a thing he's saying with no precedent or constitutional grounding whatsoever.

by Anonymousreply 95December 4, 2019 5:02 PM

emptywheel:

Turley claiming that Congress is dictating what they get.

He pretends Congress hasn't won those rulings.

He pretends US v Nixon is not a precedent.

My goodness this is a shitshow.

by Anonymousreply 96December 4, 2019 5:03 PM

Let me know when the dems are back on.

by Anonymousreply 97December 4, 2019 5:05 PM

Something to think about.

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by Anonymousreply 98December 4, 2019 5:06 PM

Rage?! He's concerned about the preponderance of rage among us? Synch the footage of any and all of donald's rants during his Rage Rallies, including his inauguration; this president lit the fuse on Day One.

by Anonymousreply 99December 4, 2019 5:09 PM

Didn't Jonathan Turley use to be one of the good guys?

by Anonymousreply 100December 4, 2019 5:10 PM

Nepotism! Ummm, ever hear of Ivana Trump and Jared Kushner?

by Anonymousreply 101December 4, 2019 5:10 PM

In 1998, Turley testified before Congress in the Clinton impeachment: “If you decide that certain acts do not rise to impeachable offenses, you will expand the space for executive conduct.”

by Anonymousreply 102December 4, 2019 5:11 PM

[quote] Ugh, Nader used to be fat and now he isn’t. Who the fuck cares?

Nader did. He used to go on diets and call local news stations about it. It was good publicity. He would say he’s trying to lose xx#of pounds. His diets were never successful, so he got surgery.

by Anonymousreply 103December 4, 2019 5:11 PM

"...like ugly on moose"????

by Anonymousreply 104December 4, 2019 5:15 PM

Turley is far too taken with his own witticisms.

by Anonymousreply 105December 4, 2019 5:16 PM

Monica Lewinsky??? Now, how is she in on this?

by Anonymousreply 106December 4, 2019 5:16 PM

[quote]More love for Pamala from me. I just think that those hardcore trump republicans will not be moved or care for the truth.

I've read their comments. One wonders how a mind comes up with the nonsense to justify every fucking thing Trump did. It's like a party based on a lobotomy.

by Anonymousreply 107December 4, 2019 5:16 PM

Oh yes, by all means impugn Lawrence Tribe who has taught at Harvard Law some 40 years...the very same Professor Tribe whose former students include President Obama, Chief Justice John Roberts, et al.

by Anonymousreply 108December 4, 2019 5:17 PM

[quote] Jonathan Turley: ”He was on him, like ugly on Moose.”

You know, this was entirely uncalled for. (See adorable poster moose).

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by Anonymousreply 109December 4, 2019 5:19 PM

Ugly on moose

This dog won’t hunt

Turley speaks in a straightforward manner, in words I can understand, he must be right!

There is no there, there!

by Anonymousreply 110December 4, 2019 5:20 PM

These testimonies seem odd to me. Most of the ones to the prior committee were fact based and the people testifying seemed legitimate and respectable. All three professors read persuasive opinion essays and are very opinionated with their responses to questions. Yes, I realize they are there as experts to offer expert opinion and so it has to be this way. But they all seem a little too full of personality and too pleased with themselves. As I watch it, I imagine being a Fox News viewer and seething at these smug liberal lefty anti-Trumpers. I feel like their eagerness is certain to backfire.

by Anonymousreply 111December 4, 2019 5:20 PM

Right, Turley is just amused by himself. Lunch would Jonathan would be such a living hell.

by Anonymousreply 112December 4, 2019 5:22 PM

[quote]As I watch it, I imagine being a Fox News viewer and seething at these smug liberal lefty anti-Trumpers.

Who cares what Fox News viewers think?

by Anonymousreply 113December 4, 2019 5:23 PM

Mr. Collins, Gomer Pile is DEAD.

SHEZAM!

by Anonymousreply 114December 4, 2019 5:23 PM

R113 I care. Because there is zero chance of GOP elected officials doing what is right if their electorates don’t budge.

by Anonymousreply 115December 4, 2019 5:24 PM

R113 Right, the Fox true believer would never agree to the impeachment, even if there was video of Trump shooting someone. The Fox audience is not the target here.

by Anonymousreply 116December 4, 2019 5:25 PM

But don’t you understand, R113????

R111 is concerned!!!!!!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 117December 4, 2019 5:25 PM

R110, Don't forget this one, Bad hair on President

by Anonymousreply 118December 4, 2019 5:25 PM

[quote]But they all seem a little too full of personality and too pleased with themselves.

Translation: Educated.

[quote]As I watch it, I imagine being a Fox News viewer and seething at these smug liberal lefty anti-Trumpers. I feel like their eagerness is certain to backfire.

Right, because Trump himself is certainly not smug and pleased with himself. You just have to be really, really stupid, racist and bigoted...and then you can get away with being smug and pleased with yourself and full of personality and the FOX crowd will love you for it.

by Anonymousreply 119December 4, 2019 5:26 PM

[quote]But they all seem a little too full of personality and too pleased with themselves.

Translation: Educated.

[quote]As I watch it, I imagine being a Fox News viewer and seething at these smug liberal lefty anti-Trumpers. I feel like their eagerness is certain to backfire.

Right, because Trump himself is certainly not smug and pleased with himself. You just have to be really, really stupid, racist and bigoted...and then you can get away with being smug and pleased with yourself and full of personality and the FOX crowd will love you for it.

by Anonymousreply 120December 4, 2019 5:26 PM

The Fox audience should be the target. If not, then it’s just sane, aware Democrats putting on a futile show for themselves, to prove themselves right to themselves and to defeat themselves by being self-insulated. Fuck. We’re going to lose the country. It is destined to happen because we are already two nations of people that absolutely will not make any attempt to relate to one another.

by Anonymousreply 121December 4, 2019 5:27 PM

The professor's aren't politicians. They're there to educate. Except Turley, who is there to audition for his own show on Fox News.

by Anonymousreply 122December 4, 2019 5:28 PM

^ bloody autocorrect

by Anonymousreply 123December 4, 2019 5:28 PM

"As I watch it, I imagine being a Fox News viewer and seething at these smug liberal lefty anti-Trumpers."

You imagine, R111? I suspect this is your reality, this or toiling in a Russian bot farm.

by Anonymousreply 124December 4, 2019 5:29 PM

Shit - the NBC stream just wrapped up.

Any links to live streaming??

by Anonymousreply 125December 4, 2019 5:30 PM

Turley is a lying windbag and just lost them the hearing. Doug Collins came off like a dim bulb (irregardless? What?) .

They’re toast. The press is going to destroy Turkey line by line for the next few days.

by Anonymousreply 126December 4, 2019 5:33 PM

R125

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by Anonymousreply 127December 4, 2019 5:33 PM

Here ya go, R125

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by Anonymousreply 128December 4, 2019 5:33 PM

[quote]The Fox audience should be the target.

The FOX audience watches FOX specifically to be lied to. It's American PRAVDA. They got rid of Smith because he was "too liberal" for them and they want Chris Wallace gone, too.

And stop acting as though they're some huge audience because they're not. You want Dems to bend over backwards for a few, awful people who don't deserve to be coddled.

by Anonymousreply 129December 4, 2019 5:34 PM

The sad reality is that a Huge fucking share of the country watches Fox News. I live in DC, and everywhere I go around this area, CNN is playing on public televisions. My mother was in a hospital in Loudoun County, Virginia, which is purple but which recently has been voting blue, and Fox News was playing on every public waiting area TV there. My father is from NC, and Fox plays on every public television (bars, restaurants, etc.) there and all his relatives there get their news from it. To dismiss Fox’s audience, who vote, is really fucking foolish. Yes, they are programmed and made stupid and impressionable by their churchgoing habits. That does not mean everyone should give up on trying to talk sense into them. To do so is entirely self-defeating. Don’t be stupid because you recognize stupidity in others.

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by Anonymousreply 130December 4, 2019 5:39 PM

Fox is the most watched News network, r129, and has been for three years running. Fox is 24/7 lies and the Repubs lap it up like mother's milk.

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by Anonymousreply 131December 4, 2019 5:40 PM

The numbers are in the millions though, not multiple tens of millions.

by Anonymousreply 132December 4, 2019 5:44 PM

We cut down on our cable to save money. Now we get less cahnnels, but when I checked out the news cannels, I found out we don't get any (including CSPAN!) but you guessed it...we get Fox...IN NEW YORK CITY!

by Anonymousreply 133December 4, 2019 5:45 PM

I know FOX is the most watched of networks, but that isn't the majority of the country. Why are you attempting to act as though 100M people watch FOX? They get like 2-3 million people. That's the population of BROOKLYN alone.

They are in the 60M who will NEVER vote Dem no matter what you do.

by Anonymousreply 134December 4, 2019 5:45 PM

My god, the poster above complaining about "smug liberals" must not have seen Turley in action. What a punchable face.

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by Anonymousreply 135December 4, 2019 5:47 PM

NYT:

Who Is Jonathan Turley? Republicans’ Lone Expert on Impeachment

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by Anonymousreply 136December 4, 2019 5:47 PM

Why does Fox play EVERYWHERE? Any public place I go, it’s on. When I worked at a hotel, I’d switch the TV to CNN, but it always ended up back on Fox.

by Anonymousreply 137December 4, 2019 5:48 PM

R131 What's always ignored... add up CNN and MSNBC and other networks and Fox is far, far from the majority. That 39% Trump base (and I note that 30% of Americans really believe the world is flat, not round.)

by Anonymousreply 138December 4, 2019 5:48 PM

I want the whole truth! Who are those handsome lads sitting behind Gerhardt? His prize students? Interns like Monica? Or simply houseboys?

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by Anonymousreply 139December 4, 2019 5:50 PM

^It's on so many televisions, R134 that people are being brainwashed without even knowing it. This invasion of our country did not start yesterday but has been planned for decades. Look at Sinclair Broadcasting and once they became large enough what the radio station/network were forcing reporters to do.

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by Anonymousreply 140December 4, 2019 5:50 PM

Trying my hardest to look at this objectively. If nothing else, why can't we get Trump for obstruction? Between the shit he's said on Twitter and firing anyone who disagrees with him, he's toast. Or should be.

If I was a Republican watching these proceedings, I would probably become a Democrat. Just watching Schiff maintain his composure versus Nunes and Jordan act like babies and hurl insults speaks volumes of the state of the Republican party.

I saw very little, but that female professor was AWESOME. On the station I was watching, they made sure to show a graphic saying she is a Democrat. So what?

Side note. What district does Nunes represent and is it really red? I still find it amazing that any place in California can have Republican representatives(especially like Nunes) in this day and age.

by Anonymousreply 141December 4, 2019 5:54 PM

And the next GOP nominee for the Supreme Court is.....

by Anonymousreply 142December 4, 2019 5:57 PM

nailed it R71 and R75..

clinton having consensual sex and getting a blowjob and lying about it was a high crime and misdemeanor and a threat to our country HOW AGAIN????????????

but everything trump has said and done and everyone around him and what they have done and that he has known for years and hand picked isn't??

by Anonymousreply 143December 4, 2019 5:58 PM

R141 - Orange County and San Diego are extremely RED. I find it appalling too, but it's true.

by Anonymousreply 144December 4, 2019 6:00 PM

San Diego County that is..

by Anonymousreply 145December 4, 2019 6:01 PM

[quote]Because there is zero chance of GOP elected officials doing what is right if their electorates don’t budge.

There is also zero chance of the GOP electorate budging based on anything the Democrats do in this hearing. They wouldn't budge if undercover video showed Putin handing Trump bags of cash.

Trying to sway them is a fool's errand.

by Anonymousreply 146December 4, 2019 6:01 PM

"Never gonna happen R142 because this Turkey emitted he didn't vote for me. I mean didn't vote for him...my Sharpie made a typO."

John Barron, posting for a friend.

by Anonymousreply 147December 4, 2019 6:07 PM

NTY reports that Rudy is back in Ukraine this week, meeting with the same former prosecutors whose unsubstantiated claims about Joe Biden and his son helped set off the impeachment inquiry.

So Trump is still engaged in the underhanded tactics that have him facing impeachment in the first place.

by Anonymousreply 148December 4, 2019 6:09 PM

We also had Rohrabacher, r141....

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by Anonymousreply 149December 4, 2019 6:09 PM

[quote] R130: Fox News was playing on every public waiting area TV there.

I politely ask them to change the channel, or I leave. This is something we can all do. Granted, sometimes we don’t have a choice. We have no alternates. Still, think of your Dad, or Grandpa, in a ship or trench in the World Wars, or other ancestors, and their contributions to American freedom. It’s a small effort in comparison.

My eye doctor shows nature videos, now.

by Anonymousreply 150December 4, 2019 6:13 PM

Fox News has the majority of news channel viewers from the aging and shrinking pool of cable TV subscribers. Not exactly a representative sample of Americans.

by Anonymousreply 151December 4, 2019 6:14 PM

[quote] So Trump is still engaged in the underhanded tactics that have him facing impeachment in the first place.

So insane. At this point you have to as why? The whole scheme has been exposed. But, it is very Trumpian, because once he latches on to a notion he will not be dissuaded from it no matter how much it has been discredited.

by Anonymousreply 152December 4, 2019 6:14 PM

Bad link, R139

by Anonymousreply 153December 4, 2019 6:14 PM

Yes, Jonathan Turley was pro Clinton impeachment, but he is now anti Trump impeachment. Yet some want to insist he is a liberal. Okay dokay.

I haven't trusted or liked that bastard since the testified in the Clinton impeachment 21 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 154December 4, 2019 6:15 PM

[quote]I politely ask them to change the channel, or I leave. This is something we can all do.

Yep. I've started doing that. Even at the gym. ONE station can be on FOX but not anymore than that. If I don't walk out, I'll make a formal and written complaint.

by Anonymousreply 155December 4, 2019 6:15 PM

[quote]So insane. At this point you have to as why?

Because, it's still working for the Republicans, R152

by Anonymousreply 156December 4, 2019 6:17 PM

I WISH someone democrat of course state to turley "please tell us and the nation how a president lying under oath about a consensual sex act is a high crime, misdemeanor and threat to our nation and what trump has done is not!??????????"

by Anonymousreply 157December 4, 2019 6:20 PM

"Nepotism! Ummm, ever hear of Ivana Trump and Jared Kushner?"

My furst x-wife has the same name as that woman, R101, but my future x-wife says we do not no those people. JB

by Anonymousreply 158December 4, 2019 6:20 PM

Are you guys who see FOX playing in gyms or other businesses in NYC? Because years ago, I used to see FOX News when I was in a doctor's office or a car dealership, but now it's on ABC or NBC showing Ellen or Rachel Ray.

by Anonymousreply 159December 4, 2019 6:21 PM

Of course Rogue Rudy is still out there "soliciting," and Vlad only knows what Erdugan and donald discussed in private at the NATO conference, R148.

by Anonymousreply 160December 4, 2019 6:26 PM

Fox has a way of inflaming anger and fear. It compels people to return to viewing. It’s addictive.

And it does matter that public places show these videos. My liberal friend moved to Texas, and it took 8 years, but he turned like a vampire to the prevailing viewpoint. “We have to do something” about government, he said. Not thinking that government is doing a damn good job, actually. Could do better, if only just like everybody.

by Anonymousreply 161December 4, 2019 6:26 PM

I am in NYC, R159. But, it's changed (or, changing). When I would go to my doctor's office FOX would be all that I would see. It was the blonde girls with the short dresses. However, I'm sure many have complained about it now and I'm not seeing FOX everywhere as much

by Anonymousreply 162December 4, 2019 6:27 PM

FOX didn't start out as nakedly partisan as it is now. It became more and more blatant as the years progressed.

by Anonymousreply 163December 4, 2019 6:29 PM

Feldman is a divorced father of two, according to Wikipedia. He was ostracized by the Jewish community because he married a non-Jew.

He's speaks Arabic, Hebrew, French, and English.

by Anonymousreply 164December 4, 2019 6:31 PM

R161 I had the same experience as your friend.

by Anonymousreply 165December 4, 2019 6:32 PM

R4, Big time.

by Anonymousreply 166December 4, 2019 6:34 PM

R152, perhaps Rudy is there to find Trump’s “smoking gun” to exonerate him? It appears that Trump lies, complete fabrications; then sees his lies reported on Fox, validating the lies (he thinks), thereby convincing him that his original lies were correct. He is certainly too mentally ill to be reigning, as he is.

by Anonymousreply 167December 4, 2019 6:34 PM

[quote]FOX didn't start out as nakedly partisan as it is now.

OH YES, IT DID!!! The FOX of today was always the plan. Refer to ALEC and the very famous Roger Ailes quote; "You don't tell people how to think. You tell them what to think!" It has ALWAYS been the FOX objective to manipulate the political environment.

by Anonymousreply 168December 4, 2019 6:34 PM

Doug Collins has a challenger.

...

Each time Doug Collins opens his mouth please ask your friends to follow his challenger Democrat @AntwonS2020

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by Anonymousreply 169December 4, 2019 6:34 PM

The thing that angers me most about FOX is that it has the nerve to be based out of NYC. Go to fucking Oklahoma.

by Anonymousreply 170December 4, 2019 6:35 PM

R168 I mean they used to be more subtle about it. People would question if Fox was REALLY partisan. But now they've dropped the facade and are full-throatedly blatant about it.

by Anonymousreply 171December 4, 2019 6:37 PM

R75, More like a blow job deluxe. In the Starr Report footnotes, "anal oral" contact was noted.

by Anonymousreply 172December 4, 2019 6:39 PM

@MarkDStrauss Turley wrote a piece for WaPo in 2014, declaring that it was a myth that an impeachable offense must involve a violation of criminal law:

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by Anonymousreply 173December 4, 2019 6:39 PM

Oh come on r171, Fox has been carrying water for the Republicans since its inception in 1996.

by Anonymousreply 174December 4, 2019 6:40 PM

When Obama was elected, I thought I should turn into Fox (for the first time) since I should see it before criticizing it. I lasted only a short while. They were blaming Obama for ruining the economy, when he had no time to enact any policies as then. They were lying, I mean.

I heard they were conservative, but they weren’t. They were fascist liars, and still are, from the clips I see.

by Anonymousreply 175December 4, 2019 6:41 PM

One thing you can count on: every Lawyer there has a different opinion on what the Constitution meant.

by Anonymousreply 176December 4, 2019 6:42 PM

I cry BULLSHIT to those trolls claiming to be in New York City and noticing Fox News playing in establishments serving the public the past 12 years or so. Hell, we barely tolerate their news crawl on Sixth Avenue.

P.S. Nor have I ever seen a red maga cap worn on the street; even the tourist deplorables aren't that stupid.

by Anonymousreply 177December 4, 2019 6:43 PM

R141 R145 All congress districts in Orange county are now Dem. 4 of the 5 districts in San Diego county are now Dem, and the Republican, Duncan Hunter, is about to do jail time. Nunes district is in the conservative central valley. He won in 2016 with 66%. He won in 2018 with 53%. He's very vulnerable in 2000.

California deepens its blue. That doesn't help with the Electoral College.

by Anonymousreply 178December 4, 2019 6:47 PM

Trump and Rudy are still playing this whole Ukraine game because they think it legitimizes it. "If I’m doing it right out in the open, it must be okay." It’s why he released the ‘transcript' and why Don Jr. released the text messages about the Russian meeting.

This has been a Trump tactic for ages. He used to go on national TV and brag about how The Apprentice was still the #1 show even though it was barely in the top twenty. He was just so flagrant about it, people believed the lie.

by Anonymousreply 179December 4, 2019 6:49 PM

Senselessbrenner:

BARKEEP!!!

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by Anonymousreply 180December 4, 2019 6:53 PM

Now watch the complete morons on the right go off about how Barron was "attacked by Karlan" and completely missing her point.

by Anonymousreply 181December 4, 2019 6:54 PM

[quote]When Obama was elected, I thought I should turn into Fox (for the first time) since I should see it before criticizing it.

I recall that for ONE FULL MONTH FOX never referred to Obama as "President Obama" but as "Mr. Obama." That was from the morning and into the night for a full 30 days. You know what they were doing...

[quote]I cry BULLSHIT to those trolls claiming to be in New York City and noticing Fox News playing in establishments serving the public the past 12 years or so.

You don't get out enough. FOX at one time was EVERYWHERE and that included NYC too.

by Anonymousreply 182December 4, 2019 6:55 PM

Ms. Jackson Lee really needs to temper her vocal tone when questioning her side's witnesses. She comes across as harsh and accusatory.

by Anonymousreply 183December 4, 2019 6:55 PM

Karlan on our Presidency vs. the concept of "king:" "The President can *name* his son Barron, but he can't *make* him one."

by Anonymousreply 184December 4, 2019 6:55 PM

R182, remember those loons obsessed on a frigging fist bump between the Obamas? The "terrorist fist jab."

It's been a psycho network for a long time.

by Anonymousreply 185December 4, 2019 6:58 PM

OH! Noah Feldman is CUTE! I've only been listening while I'm trying to work and post ob DL. I just got a look at him.

[quote]P.S. Nor have I ever seen a red maga cap worn on the street; even the tourist deplorables aren't that stupid.

I agree with that. I have yet to see that in NYC.

by Anonymousreply 186December 4, 2019 6:58 PM

Sadly, R186, I’ve seen way too many of those stupid MAGA hats here in DC — I’d venture that all of them were tourists.

by Anonymousreply 187December 4, 2019 7:01 PM

Someone should yell out; "BENGHAZI" when the Republicans speak.

by Anonymousreply 188December 4, 2019 7:02 PM

Oh brother.... "as a patriot."

As a patriot, you've got your tongue up the ass of someone who never served and literally put in his fucking will that children who joined the military would be cutoff. A man who would build an apt building over Arlington if you let him.

Fucking hick.

by Anonymousreply 189December 4, 2019 7:03 PM

Louis Gohmert is his own special kind of stupid.

by Anonymousreply 190December 4, 2019 7:12 PM

"Obama"

DRINK!

by Anonymousreply 191December 4, 2019 7:12 PM

Seriously, WTF is wrong with much of the south? I mean how do these genuinely stupid people get elected and you still have the nerve to believe you're the superior race? Embarrassingly stupid people.

by Anonymousreply 192December 4, 2019 7:14 PM

Feldman reminds me of Richard Dreyfuss.

by Anonymousreply 193December 4, 2019 7:14 PM

GYM JORDAN!!!!

by Anonymousreply 194December 4, 2019 7:18 PM

[quote]Duncan Hunter, is about to do jail time.

He won specifically because his district is disgustingly racist and bigoted. They knew what a colossal pos he was, but he knew that he represents a repulsive district and they overwhelmingly voted for him. What a despicable group of voters.

by Anonymousreply 195December 4, 2019 7:18 PM

Gym Jordan doing the requisite "This is for Hannity's show" schtick.

by Anonymousreply 196December 4, 2019 7:18 PM

[quote]GYM JORDAN!!!!

MUTE.

by Anonymousreply 197December 4, 2019 7:18 PM

Jordan can hardly stop from smirking at himself.

by Anonymousreply 198December 4, 2019 7:20 PM

I concur...MUTE!

I will unmute when blood shoots out his ears.

by Anonymousreply 199December 4, 2019 7:20 PM

[quote]The President can *name* his son Barron, but he can't *make* him one."

A rehearsed ‘mic drop’ comment a la Kammy Harris’s “I was that little girl.” And equally cringey.

by Anonymousreply 200December 4, 2019 7:20 PM

[quote] Louis Gohmert is his own special kind of stupid.

Screwy Gomer.

by Anonymousreply 201December 4, 2019 7:20 PM

Does anyone know how short Gym is. By all photo comparisons, outside the basement bunker, I would say 5'4"?

by Anonymousreply 202December 4, 2019 7:21 PM

This committee under Jerry ‘nads’ Nadler is a circus and a joke.

by Anonymousreply 203December 4, 2019 7:22 PM

Gentleman Gym should consider a career as a stand up comedian. I would be laughing endlessly.

by Anonymousreply 204December 4, 2019 7:24 PM

Trump's behavior is perfectly consistent with narcissistic personality disorder. They are impulsive and self-indulgent. They are serial fuckups.

by Anonymousreply 205December 4, 2019 7:24 PM

Jonathan Turley wrote a piece for WaPo in 2014, declaring that

• it's a myth that an impeachable offense must involve a violation of criminal law

• it's a myth that history establishes a clear precedent for impeachable conduct

Odd that's he arguing exactly the opposite today.

by Anonymousreply 206December 4, 2019 7:24 PM

Lucky are the inmates who'll get to suck Duncan Hunter's big dick in prison.

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by Anonymousreply 207December 4, 2019 7:24 PM

R207, get better standards.

by Anonymousreply 208December 4, 2019 7:26 PM

If Jordan is 5'4", then Nadler is 5'2".

by Anonymousreply 209December 4, 2019 7:26 PM

OH! She slapped Trump in the face with his reality show career! YAAASSS, Miss Pamela!

by Anonymousreply 210December 4, 2019 7:26 PM

Why are these assholes allowed to make speeches without ever asking a question?

Answer: because Nads Nadler is an incompetent buffoon.

by Anonymousreply 211December 4, 2019 7:28 PM

R210 Oh please, this bitch is pathetic.

by Anonymousreply 212December 4, 2019 7:29 PM

R164, thank you for the information about my potential first husband, LOL. I think he kinda looks like an American version of Benedict Cumberbatch.

R209, if Jordan is that short, no wonder why he yells all the time. He's mad about not being part of the conversation, LOL.

by Anonymousreply 213December 4, 2019 7:29 PM

"Obama"

DRINK!

by Anonymousreply 214December 4, 2019 7:31 PM

None of the examples cited by this Repug numbnut involves a president asking a foreign nation to intervene in his election campaign.

by Anonymousreply 215December 4, 2019 7:31 PM

...

by Anonymousreply 216December 4, 2019 7:33 PM

Smirk

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by Anonymousreply 217December 4, 2019 7:40 PM

So ,if, as Gym is yelling about, the Democrats already decided on impeachment, then why is it OK for the Republicans to say that once it gets to the Senate, they will not vote to impeach? Seems like their minds are already made up .

by Anonymousreply 218December 4, 2019 7:41 PM

Ah, this is how Gym keeps being a wrestling coach-turned-politician. His district is rural redneck Buckabillies:

"Jordan currently represents Western Ohio's 4th Congressional District. The district has been redrawn over time to minimize urban area and increase the rural area; it is gerrymandered to avoid having Toledo, Columbus or Cleveland (or their respective suburbs) in the District which stretches from Lake Erie nearly to Dayton. A three-judge federal panel unanimously ruled in May 2019 that Ohio's congressional district map is unconstitutional due to partisan gerrymandering and ordered the state to create a new map in time for the 2020 Election. The issue remains unresolved and may not be addressed until after the 2020 Census"

by Anonymousreply 219December 4, 2019 7:42 PM

Rick Wilson:

Let's be honest; Jim isn't the sharpest tool in the shed.

And by shed, I mean college gymnasium where athletes beg anyone to listen to their reports of being sexually assaulted and Jim Jordan ignores it.

by Anonymousreply 220December 4, 2019 7:44 PM

Feldman is, I believe, on leave as the Dark Arts Professor at Hogwarts.

by Anonymousreply 221December 4, 2019 7:45 PM

Feldman has major gay face.

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by Anonymousreply 222December 4, 2019 7:46 PM

"I'd like to speak to the manager!"

by Anonymousreply 223December 4, 2019 7:48 PM

I can't figure out Martha Roby's look. Homeless? Traveler? Barfly?

by Anonymousreply 224December 4, 2019 7:49 PM

Roby is a Southern hick-cunt.

by Anonymousreply 225December 4, 2019 7:49 PM

Pamela Karlan will be played by Laurie Metcalf in the movie.

by Anonymousreply 226December 4, 2019 7:51 PM

Noah Feldman now that is a man who's ark I would get on.

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by Anonymousreply 227December 4, 2019 7:52 PM

My favorite line today is from Miss Pamela:

"Soliciting itself is the impeachable offense"

by Anonymousreply 228December 4, 2019 7:54 PM

The human keg is speaking

by Anonymousreply 229December 4, 2019 7:56 PM

The human keg is speaking

by Anonymousreply 230December 4, 2019 7:56 PM

The human keg is speaking

by Anonymousreply 231December 4, 2019 7:56 PM

Sorry for the multiple posts.

by Anonymousreply 232December 4, 2019 7:57 PM

"Obama"

DRINK!

by Anonymousreply 233December 4, 2019 7:58 PM

R233, is there ever anything left when Matty is around?

by Anonymousreply 234December 4, 2019 7:59 PM

What did I tell you?

by Anonymousreply 235December 4, 2019 8:00 PM

Rule of order. I hereby request that Gym Jordan, be officially recognized on DL as Gym Jergen, to give readers the complete sensory experience of cheap, industrial oil, combined with disgustingly sweet, artificial chemical odors. A recipe designed to make you think of grandma as you achieve your guilt ridden orgasm; for the last time, you swear.

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by Anonymousreply 236December 4, 2019 8:01 PM

The Republicans are an abomination.

by Anonymousreply 237December 4, 2019 8:01 PM

That's why the Democrats should have came with all of the money that was given to Trump. But, Pammy is holding her own.

by Anonymousreply 238December 4, 2019 8:02 PM

Matt is going full cunt

by Anonymousreply 239December 4, 2019 8:02 PM

The right thinks yelling and not allowing a response is "winning." She was going to respond to his bullshit and he wouldn't allow it. That's not winning, Trumpkins, that's being cowardly.

by Anonymousreply 240December 4, 2019 8:03 PM

“I’ve been giving a lot of money to charity because of all the poor people.” God this bitch is tiresome. Self-righteous shithead.

by Anonymousreply 241December 4, 2019 8:04 PM

Nadler is terrible. He should've allowed the witnesses to respond to being attacked.

by Anonymousreply 242December 4, 2019 8:04 PM

Agree R242. Nadler should have stepped in to let the Professor answer the questions.

by Anonymousreply 243December 4, 2019 8:07 PM

Is that the kid from Tthe Ring" movie all grow'd up?

by Anonymousreply 244December 4, 2019 8:07 PM

Ms. Gaytz is a histrionic dingleberry Queen

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by Anonymousreply 245December 4, 2019 8:08 PM

r241, ya cunt.

by Anonymousreply 246December 4, 2019 8:09 PM

R236 Aye

by Anonymousreply 247December 4, 2019 8:09 PM

Republicans already lost the argument, but they will win, tragically. All they have to do is keep denying that they believe anything Trump has done is impeachable, and the Senate will vote to clear him. And then the shit really hits the fan and the United States as we’ve always known it ceases to exist. The end. Fin.

by Anonymousreply 248December 4, 2019 8:10 PM

This Democrat committee does not protect its witnesses

by Anonymousreply 249December 4, 2019 8:10 PM

These Republicans are unAmerican.

by Anonymousreply 250December 4, 2019 8:11 PM

The people in your district are hicks. Roy Moore would be in the senate right now if hicks like you were the only ones voting.

I love these cons who talk about "their district" as if they're the ones who haven't completely destroyed this country with their ignorance.

by Anonymousreply 251December 4, 2019 8:12 PM

You know if the republicans were in charge, they would be doing the same thing to the democrats, it just happens all the time, and now they cry about being in the minority.

by Anonymousreply 252December 4, 2019 8:14 PM

R243 - Fortunately, Prof. Karrins was able to finish her point regarding and defending her First Amendment/campaign contribution rights shortly thereafter.

by Anonymousreply 253December 4, 2019 8:14 PM

Finally, someone brings up Turley’s hypocrisy.

by Anonymousreply 254December 4, 2019 8:14 PM

R252, the difference is that they'd do it over Obama's tan suit.

by Anonymousreply 255December 4, 2019 8:15 PM

Maybe I missed this in the thread. Our hero, Pamela is the ultra scholar of scholars....read her Wikipedia - she has a partner, Viola.

Pamela self identifies as bisexual, snarky and Jewish.

by Anonymousreply 256December 4, 2019 8:16 PM

The Dems should all yield their time to Swalwell.

Nadler is so uninspiring

by Anonymousreply 257December 4, 2019 8:17 PM

Pamela has Fran Leibovitz vibes

by Anonymousreply 258December 4, 2019 8:17 PM
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by Anonymousreply 259December 4, 2019 8:18 PM

^That looks like a movie poster for Porky's

by Anonymousreply 260December 4, 2019 8:19 PM

R248 They don't need to win, they just need to yell their way to a draw. It works every time. Yelling and fast talking puts a brain in a kind of defensive trance. You can't process the information properly because your entire CNS is on guard. It's a technique.

The election will be the same. They don't need to win, just sew doubt. Skew the results in one state and declare the entire election invalid. Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi. If you keep screaming the lie, no one will ever hear the truth. NO COLLUSION>

by Anonymousreply 261December 4, 2019 8:19 PM

^Has that been sent him, R259?

by Anonymousreply 262December 4, 2019 8:19 PM

Why didn’t a Dem question Turd Turley. He completely ignored accepted facts, tried to be cute with the fact that his wife is upset and his dog is upset .

Quoting sir Thomas Moore.....come on.

He should have been presented with a concise question containing only FACTS.

None of this matters to the trailer trash deplorabjes, but still

by Anonymousreply 263December 4, 2019 8:20 PM

Break time. I fear the two Arizona republicans who will be coming up. Debbie Lesko is an extreme wacko. She called the impeachment hearings a nothing burger on NPR. Andy Biggs is the other one. He was speaker in the Az legislature and ran it with an iron hand. Former Phoenix mayor Greg Stanton is the lone Az dem. I hope he shows them up.

by Anonymousreply 264December 4, 2019 8:30 PM

As someone on twitter pointed out: Matt Gaetz was on fire! Just light his breath and watch.

by Anonymousreply 265December 4, 2019 8:30 PM

As someone on twitter pointed out: Matt Gaetz was on fire! Just light his breath and watch.

by Anonymousreply 266December 4, 2019 8:30 PM

Why is it when I send a post sometimes, it's says "can't post" and then I see it two or three times?

by Anonymousreply 267December 4, 2019 8:31 PM

Damn it, I saw Noah Feldman drinking from a cup that the lady behind him handed him. My dreams just got destroyed...but damn, his pants were nicely tight!

by Anonymousreply 268December 4, 2019 8:32 PM

Thank you Andy Biggs for bringing up Joe Arpio.

by Anonymousreply 269December 4, 2019 8:37 PM

Professor Feldman is one sexy Jew.

by Anonymousreply 270December 4, 2019 8:38 PM

Is it just me or does it seem that all the Republicans are yelling their questions and the Democrats ask questions calmly?

by Anonymousreply 271December 4, 2019 8:40 PM

I think the ticket is being created! BIDEN/HARRIS

Joe Biden: 'Of course' I would consider Kamala Harris as VP pick

Now, back to regular preogramming....

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by Anonymousreply 272December 4, 2019 8:41 PM

That would be smart of Joe and could set Harris up for 2024

by Anonymousreply 273December 4, 2019 8:42 PM

Most of the repuglicants seem like they're raging so much they are about to have a stroke or heart attack. They seem absolutely hysterical and are making themselves look ridiculous.

And WHY is Gymshorts Jordan on again? The fuck! Apparently he's on both the Intelligence and Judiciary committees.

by Anonymousreply 274December 4, 2019 8:44 PM

I don't know if Joe Biden would consider Kamala or not but what else is he going to answer to that question. "No I wouldn't even consider her", how many black voters would that cost him.

by Anonymousreply 275December 4, 2019 8:45 PM

The GOP is admitting that they themselves can't be impartial and projecting that onto the law professors.

I fucking hate Trump with a passion and look forward to him dropping dead, but I sure as hell wouldn't want him impeached if there wasn't crystal clear evidence that he acted like he has ALWAYS acted in his business dealings. He threatens/bribes people - that's his mo in business.

by Anonymousreply 276December 4, 2019 8:49 PM

R272 - This Biden news deserves its own thread so as not to be buried within this one.

Please stay on-topic here.

by Anonymousreply 277December 4, 2019 8:51 PM

Calm down, R268. You know what DL says about men with Asian girfriends/wives.

There's still hope!

by Anonymousreply 278December 4, 2019 8:53 PM

Okay... I'll start one. I would have thought one would have been started already--and I can't check if there is one or not... R272....

by Anonymousreply 279December 4, 2019 8:53 PM

Serious question: Why does every fucking middle-aged Trump/Republican woman look like her right down to the same god damned Clairol selection?

by Anonymousreply 280December 4, 2019 8:59 PM

Lesko. I hate that BITCH!!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 281December 4, 2019 8:59 PM

Lesko is really stupid. She needs to go back to English Composition 101 and learn how to make a persuasive argument.

by Anonymousreply 282December 4, 2019 9:02 PM

Now this idiot is claiming the Founding Fathers agree with him? Didn't their counsel say that nobody knows what the FFs thought?

by Anonymousreply 283December 4, 2019 9:07 PM

It’s been a long day, but I think that, early on, Turley claimed that the Founding Fathers made mistakes in the Constitution, R283.

by Anonymousreply 284December 4, 2019 9:10 PM

I could listen to Val Demings aka Mavis Staples all day.

by Anonymousreply 285December 4, 2019 9:13 PM

Anyone know how late they're going today?

by Anonymousreply 286December 4, 2019 9:16 PM

They are going until all the representatives on the committee have had their time to ask questions r286.

by Anonymousreply 287December 4, 2019 9:18 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the Mueller report held back from the Democrats until Barr put his spin on it? And while he was holding that shame of a press conference, wasn't it only then did the Democrats get a chance to read only one copy of it for a limited amount of time?

by Anonymousreply 288December 4, 2019 9:21 PM

Ooh, Melania's upset!

by Anonymousreply 289December 4, 2019 9:38 PM

Though I think her missive was via Grisham.

by Anonymousreply 290December 4, 2019 9:39 PM

Melania seems like her husband — it’s always “poor, victimized me” with her.

by Anonymousreply 291December 4, 2019 9:45 PM

[quote]Ooh, Melania's upset!

I don't care...you know the rest.

by Anonymousreply 292December 4, 2019 9:46 PM

Why is Melania upset? Did someone call her a whore again?

by Anonymousreply 293December 4, 2019 9:46 PM

Nadler is awful. He's no Schiff

by Anonymousreply 294December 4, 2019 9:47 PM

Professor Snarky Bisexual Jew is loathsome. It’s coastal elite vermin like her, dripping with scorn for half the country’s citizens that gifted us with Trump as president via Hillary Clinton. And they still don’t get how much people despise them, 3 years later.

by Anonymousreply 295December 4, 2019 9:47 PM

Neguse is ON FIRE! GO!

by Anonymousreply 296December 4, 2019 9:49 PM

I was wondering, "what if"

What if Bill Clinton had been removed from office? Then it would have been President Al Gore running against George W. Bush and it is much harder to run against a sitting President, a few more votes for Gore in Florida would have meant he wins. That would mean no Iraq war. No President Bush.

What if Pres Obama hasn't chosen Hillary for Sec of State.

That would mean she could have been sitting in the Senate pushing through Pres Obama's agenda, and could not have been blamed for Benghazi when she ran for President, even though nothing was really her fault there. No Benghazi might have gotten enough votes to win the Presidency.

Those to actions might have meant no President Shrub Bush and no Pres Trump and no Republican appointees to the Supreme Court. Four more liberals on the Supreme Court.

by Anonymousreply 297December 4, 2019 9:54 PM

[quote] It’s coastal elite vermin like her, dripping with scorn for half the country’s citizens that gifted us with Trump as president via Hillary Clinton.

It's funny how fucking assholes like you watch the smug GOP say and do whatever the fuck they want on this committee or about anyone who isn't white or Trump tweeting or saying vile things about people to the point of trying to legislate prejudice and yet....you have nothing to say about that and how "half the country" DESERVES the scorn if they think THAT behavior is appropriate, but if any "coastal elite" pushes back, roaches like you come out of the woodwork.

Fuck off and die. Please.

by Anonymousreply 298December 4, 2019 9:57 PM

Another idiot Republican with a poorly written essay. Did they download these off of a cheater’s website? Who writes this shit?

by Anonymousreply 299December 4, 2019 9:59 PM

Karlan made a quip I would have made with friends. It was poor judgment to make it in a public hearing. She has just apologized.

It was a good line though. And she was right.

by Anonymousreply 300December 4, 2019 9:59 PM

My sister said Prof. Karlan looks and sounds like a [italic]Peanuts[/italic] character all grown up.

I though that was perfect. A combo of Lucy and Marcy. Which is a billion times better than Professor Cat In the Hat Turley.

by Anonymousreply 301December 4, 2019 10:01 PM

It’s just so funny that Trump supporters could take any offence to the mere mention of Barron’s name but lap up all of Trump’s vulgarities and character assassinations. It’s really hard to have any sympathy for this.

by Anonymousreply 302December 4, 2019 10:02 PM

R302, agreed. I think Karlan should not have made the comment. It is about right versus wrong. But yeah, the Trumptards who are aghast by her comment should take a long walk off of a short pier.

by Anonymousreply 303December 4, 2019 10:06 PM

MSNBC is terrible with the chyron. Do they expect people to just know who's speaking and the party they rep? Leave the name up for fuck sake. WTF is with putting it up for two secs and then taking it down?

As far as Barron, the minute she said it, I knew the backlash would come. She should've known she's dealing with rabid idiots who won't focus on her larger point and go straight for the low hanging fruit.

by Anonymousreply 304December 4, 2019 10:06 PM

[quote]Break time. I fear the two Arizona republicans who will be coming up. Debbie Lesko is an extreme wacko. She called the impeachment hearings a nothing burger on NPR. Andy Biggs is the other one. He was speaker in the Az legislature and ran it with an iron hand. Former Phoenix mayor Greg Stanton is the lone Az dem. I hope he shows them up.

I thank God every day that my parents changed their minds about moving to AZ years ago (for health reasons). The horrors of visiting them if they did and what they would've become being exposed to those awful people.

by Anonymousreply 305December 4, 2019 10:12 PM

R302 and others - I saw NOTHING wrong with her comment. It was directed at the Donald and him alone. It was neither a dig at Barron's name nor a snide remark towards Barron in any way. She was completely correct and the statement was perfect and poignant............and I don't mean PERFECT in the way that Trumpy Bear classifies his phone call.

by Anonymousreply 306December 4, 2019 10:14 PM

People who go on about "coastal elite vermin" are expressing their belief in their own inadequacy.

by Anonymousreply 307December 4, 2019 10:17 PM

R306, I said it @r181 that they would do it the moment she said it, but it doesn't matter. You know the idiots on the right look for any red meat and she gave it to them.

Of course there was zero attempt to attack Barron himself, but they need ANYTHING to make that disgusting family look like "victims" of liberals.

by Anonymousreply 308December 4, 2019 10:17 PM

Dumb name, btw. You know the kids tease him with, "Are you barren?".

At least it wasn't "Success" or "Magnate".

by Anonymousreply 309December 4, 2019 10:18 PM

Oh, wah-wah-wah.....

The Examiner: 'Very angry': Melania Trump says impeachment witness 'should be ashamed' for bringing Barron Trump up in hearings

"A minor child deserves privacy and should be kept out of politics. Pamela Karlan, you should be ashamed of your very angry and obviously biased public pandering, and using a child to do it."

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by Anonymousreply 310December 4, 2019 10:19 PM

yeah I'm annoyed. There was nothing wrong with Karlan's comment because IT WAS NOT an attack on Barron. I agree though children should be off limits. Unfortunately she gave repubs their distraction of the night. They're all talking offense to her comment and claiming she was disparaging a child which we know is false. She is obviously a very intelligent woman but it was dumb to even give the repubs something to pounce on and make themselves victims.

Hopefully the mainstream media doesn't focus on it.

by Anonymousreply 311December 4, 2019 10:22 PM

[quote]People who go on about "coastal elite vermin" are expressing their belief in their own inadequacy.

"Coastal elite" applies solely to education. These fools defend a man who grew up in total wealth, riding around in limos, living in a golden apt, pushing a lifestyle most of his dumbass defenders can't even afford and is an arrogant, smug, douchebag, so they throw around "elite" to denigrate people with that thar book lernin'.

by Anonymousreply 312December 4, 2019 10:22 PM

I'm tired of the yelling.

by Anonymousreply 313December 4, 2019 10:23 PM

How long is this goober going to talk for?

by Anonymousreply 314December 4, 2019 10:24 PM

lmfao Collins in his closing statement has the nerve to keep up the narrative that Schiff should testify despite the scandal that has embroiled Nunes this week

by Anonymousreply 315December 4, 2019 10:24 PM

Collins wants "real witness"? Why doesn't he fucking ask that question to Trump who's blocking them and the only ones who came are those who defied his order

by Anonymousreply 316December 4, 2019 10:25 PM

Collins obviously hasn't read the papers today if he thinks Trump has been "working with our allies." He left the NATO summit early like a miffed little mean girl.

by Anonymousreply 317December 4, 2019 10:25 PM

r183, the term is "strident."

by Anonymousreply 318December 4, 2019 10:25 PM

Doug Collins' wife runs a scrapbooking store. Get 'er, Datalounge.

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by Anonymousreply 319December 4, 2019 10:26 PM

R317 it's the narrative repubs want to keep up for the base

Everyone is against us but we and Trump are doing the right thing!

I despise deplorables but repubs know their base is so dumb they can tell just about any lie and it will be believed by them

by Anonymousreply 320December 4, 2019 10:27 PM

[quote]She is obviously a very intelligent woman but it was dumb to even give the repubs something to pounce on and make themselves victims.

Because still, even now, there are people who can't believe how low the GOP will sink to "win" any argument. They're not dumb, they only play to the dumbasses who will eat it up. They know she wasn't attacking Barron.

And I'm going to say it again: Nadler is AWFUL. He's no Schiff. Terrible. He's been around too long. He needs to go along with Schumer.

by Anonymousreply 321December 4, 2019 10:27 PM

To sum up today's Republican objections to the impeachment proceedings:

--the investigation is too long

--the investigation is too short

--the investigation is too secret

--the investigation is too public

--the witnesses don't have 1st hand knowledge

--people with 1st hand knowledge shouldn't have to testify

That about right?

by Anonymousreply 322December 4, 2019 10:29 PM

R319, and again with that fucking hair. WTF do they all insist on that fucking hair style/color?

God, I need to buy stock in Clairol.

by Anonymousreply 323December 4, 2019 10:29 PM

At least he wasn't named after a jewelry store, can you imagine, how vulgar and embarrassing?

by Anonymousreply 324December 4, 2019 10:29 PM

One of the problems with the GOP has always been that they're terrible at being the opposition in government - probably because they're terrible at governance. The way Collins just interrupted the Chairman and slumped into his chair is a perfect example of how confounded they are by the fact that they are not in power in the House so all they can do is act like babies. They're ridiculous excuses for grown men.

by Anonymousreply 325December 4, 2019 10:30 PM

R321 I agree Nadler is no Schiff. I didn't like how Nadler didn't let Karlan and others respond when certain repubs like Gaetz attacked them. Schiff would have stopped the clock to let them respond.

by Anonymousreply 326December 4, 2019 10:31 PM

Amen r322. A track the process because they know they’re wrong. All these Republicans on the committee just lost themselves re-election. Horrible people.

Nadler is a bad speaker. I wish he were more dynamic like Schiff. When Schiff got pissed it was scary and he more or less told the Republicans to fuck off when they started with their shenanigans.

by Anonymousreply 327December 4, 2019 10:31 PM

AOC would be good at it.

by Anonymousreply 328December 4, 2019 10:33 PM

"Just typical, idn't it? Just typical."

by Anonymousreply 329December 4, 2019 10:34 PM

^ Well.... ELECTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!

by Anonymousreply 330December 4, 2019 10:36 PM

[quote]Schiff would have stopped the clock to let them respond.

I loved when all of the asshole Reps would walk out after saying something stupid and Wenstrup was forced to sit there and let Fiona Hill respond because Schiff wasn't going to just let him take a shit and walk out. The look on his face was priceless. The idiot literally picked up his ball (briefcase) and was going to do what the other assholes did, but he had to sit there and listen to her response which made him look so small.

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by Anonymousreply 331December 4, 2019 10:38 PM

That's it in a nutshell, r322.

by Anonymousreply 332December 4, 2019 10:38 PM

When my Deplorable bro in law asked me about Hillary’s emails, years ago, I said “well, they have to complain about something, that’s their job” (Republicans). I didn’t think such nonsense would get traction.

Likewise with much of the complaints the Republicans are making today. it’s just noise. Fox might make something of all their nonsense, but they could make nonsense of absolutely anything, it seems.

by Anonymousreply 333December 4, 2019 10:40 PM

[quote]but they could make nonsense of absolutely anything, it seems.

That's the entire FOX business model. Literally appealing to the "old man yelling at cloud" demo.

by Anonymousreply 334December 4, 2019 10:42 PM

The cognitive dissonance that must go on with people like Collins and his wife who are allegedly very religious in order for them to support tRump

by Anonymousreply 335December 4, 2019 10:56 PM

Let's just accept it. Trump will be impeached by a partisan vote. It's up to the Democrats counter this scenario that the Republicans will use. The Democrats must get the message out that Trump is indeed being under requirements set by Constitution and if this slides then....? In my opinion, Democrats should be making and distributing all sorts of sound bites from today's testimony given by the experts. Democrats should buy airtime on FOX in order to help spread the message.

by Anonymousreply 336December 4, 2019 11:15 PM

Minor age children are off limits, no matter who their father is.

If Chelsea Clinton's name had been brought up during her father's impeachment hearing, the Democrats would have been livid.

by Anonymousreply 337December 4, 2019 11:26 PM

R337, because why bother with context, right?

And BTW, Chelsea was referred to as a dog. This professor was merely making the point that Trump is not a fucking king and could not make his son an actual Barron.

I want one of these assholes to tell us what she said specifically about "Barron" that was directed at him the way Chelsea was literally called a fucking D O G.

by Anonymousreply 338December 4, 2019 11:29 PM

Correction: An actual Baron

by Anonymousreply 339December 4, 2019 11:29 PM

[quote]This professor was merely making the point that Trump is not a fucking king and could not make his son an actual Barron.

Is that all she said? That's nothing! Trump has said himself that Ivanka should be SOS or some nonsense like that.

by Anonymousreply 340December 4, 2019 11:33 PM

R338, Did John McCain ever apologize for the insulting joke he told about Chelsea at a public event?

Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?

Because Janet Reno is her father.

by Anonymousreply 341December 4, 2019 11:34 PM

God, I forgot about that Reno joke.

by Anonymousreply 342December 4, 2019 11:36 PM

r338, nothing but you know the Repugs love to play "victim" all the time.

By the way it was Rush Limpbag who called Chelsea "the white house dog" on his TV show in the early 90's.

by Anonymousreply 343December 4, 2019 11:38 PM

I think Melania's just upset because there's blood coming out of her whatever.

by Anonymousreply 344December 4, 2019 11:39 PM

Yeah, I recall it being Limbaugh.

Well, I suppose when you're a Teutonic god like him, you get to knock other people's looks, including children.

by Anonymousreply 345December 4, 2019 11:41 PM

We don’t really need four constitutional scholars to know that Trump committed bribery/extortion,obstruction of justice/Congress. It’s not that complicated.

by Anonymousreply 346December 4, 2019 11:41 PM

R342, Bill and Hillary attended McCain's funeral. Chelsea did not.

by Anonymousreply 347December 4, 2019 11:43 PM

Uh...three r346.

by Anonymousreply 348December 4, 2019 11:44 PM

I don't know why someone is saying Nunes is vulnerable. He's not, unless we can hack the voting machines.

Nunes is from a district where the residents identify themselves as

1) Azorean

2) Portuguese

3) Dairy Farmers

4) American

They don't identify as Azorean like American Irish do by celebrating St Patrick's Day once s year. They have been in this country for more than 100 years and know the names & addresses of every resident's relative in the Azores. Look up his district. There are a million articles about Devon Nunes out there giving his history & the history of his district. If you can find an Azorean democrat to run against him, he could be vulnerable. Otherwise, no.

by Anonymousreply 349December 4, 2019 11:48 PM

Their screeching over her referring to Barron is just their way to distract

by Anonymousreply 350December 4, 2019 11:52 PM

I’m fascinated by the disconnect.

The majority of independent voters have already started to turn against impeachment, and today didn’t “move the needle”.

Even Swalwell has cooled off on impeachment.

by Anonymousreply 351December 4, 2019 11:53 PM

Swalwell video on impeachment

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by Anonymousreply 352December 4, 2019 11:54 PM

And, here's the response & spin (sorry about the FOX link--it's just a little over 4 min)

But, what's important to remember here is that nearly half of the American population are hearing this AND that this is ALL that they are hearing.

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by Anonymousreply 353December 5, 2019 12:28 AM

Running these hearings should be based totally on looks. I cannot envision Nadler or Schiff nude without throwing up. Put Swalwell in as chairman.

by Anonymousreply 354December 5, 2019 12:28 AM

R349 The central valley is shifting demographically - the "real estate" flight from coastal areas and increased birthrate of Latinos. I've posted this several times. Nunes won with 66% in 2016. Only 53% in 2018. That's a trendline by anyone's analysis.

by Anonymousreply 355December 5, 2019 12:47 AM

Swalwell has impressed me, and after all those ugly mugs he is a breath of fresh air

by Anonymousreply 356December 5, 2019 12:47 AM

The Republicans are getting away with murder and I am wishing a healthy fist fight would break out and the Repugs would just get a face full of blood.

by Anonymousreply 357December 5, 2019 12:55 AM

Agree. And that the drunken Gaetz and the four foot nothing Gym Socks would get their clocks cleaned.

by Anonymousreply 358December 5, 2019 1:41 AM

Gaetz manages to embarrass himself every time it is his turn to ask questions.

Seriously, this guy actually graduated law school???

by Anonymousreply 359December 5, 2019 1:45 AM

How many DUIs does he have that his connected daddy helped him with because we know if he weren't connected, he'd have done time.

by Anonymousreply 360December 5, 2019 1:54 AM

R356 i think swalwell will be Pres/VP in the next 8 -12 years.

by Anonymousreply 361December 5, 2019 1:06 PM

That’s so sad, R361.

At best, he’s an adequate representative.

Where are our formidable, eloquent, admirable, dynamic leaders?

by Anonymousreply 362December 5, 2019 2:19 PM

[quote]A minor child deserves privacy and should be kept out of politics. Pamela Karlan, you should be ashamed of your very angry and obviously biased public pandering, and using a child to do it.

Yes. Yes, I’m certain the First Lady of these United States dictated those very words her very own self.

by Anonymousreply 363December 5, 2019 2:28 PM

Miss Nancy says, "Let's speed it up!"

"Onward Christian soldiers... Marching as to war..."

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by Anonymousreply 364December 5, 2019 2:28 PM

*FOOP*

by Anonymousreply 365December 5, 2019 2:31 PM

Like many NYers, skinny Nadler always makes me do a double take.

He had that surgery a few years back, but was Chris Christie level huge before that.

Nothing against his skills as a politician.

by Anonymousreply 366December 5, 2019 2:33 PM

The Hill @thehill

Rep. Tom McClintock (R-CA 4th District): "With a show of hands, how many on the panel actually voted for Donald Trump in 2016?"

Prof. Pamela Karlan: "I don't think we're obligated to say anything about how we cast our ballots... I have a right to cast a secret ballot." #ImpeachingHearings

10:16 AM · Dec 5, 2019

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by Anonymousreply 367December 5, 2019 2:39 PM

Nancy Pelosi: We have no glee in doing this.

I do, Nancy! I am absolutely gleeful!

by Anonymousreply 368December 5, 2019 3:07 PM

NAncy is gleeful too. She just doesn't want to show it.

by Anonymousreply 369December 5, 2019 3:10 PM

OH! Someone made Miss Nancy cross!

Eli Stokols @EliStokols

Pelosi comes back to podium after a reporter suggests she/Democrats "hate" Trump, a main WH talking point on impeachment. She says she "resents" it "as a Catholic" and still prays for the president:

"Don't mess with me when it comes to words like that."

by Anonymousreply 370December 5, 2019 3:13 PM

I truly doubt that, r369.

by Anonymousreply 371December 5, 2019 3:13 PM

R369, she is not “gleeful.” That’s a Deplorable talking point.

by Anonymousreply 372December 5, 2019 3:13 PM

If the Republicans insist on keeping Ol' Yeti Pubes in office, they're going to have to learn how to control him. They can't just let him run around shitting his pants all the time and expecting everybody to ignore the stink.

by Anonymousreply 373December 5, 2019 3:14 PM

Pelosi on fire this morning at her press conference. Responding to a reporter who accused her motivations as hate for Trump, "I was raised as a Catholic, I was raised to love people, I pray for the President, I pray for him every day... but this is about the Constitution, about his failure to follow his oath of office. But don't ever use the word hate to talk about my motivations" Her glaring at the reporter melted his glasses.

I get annoyed with her speaking voice, it's halting cadence and she sounds like her dentures are slipping, but she has been an historic leader in this past year. She positions herself in just the right way to protect our democracy. History will be kind to her.

by Anonymousreply 374December 5, 2019 3:14 PM

R366, Nadler is hardly skinny these days. Yesterday, the cameras caught him in profile with his jacket unbuttoned. There's definitely a gut there.

by Anonymousreply 375December 5, 2019 3:15 PM

Stephanie Grisham @PressSec . @SpeakerPelosi & the Democrats should be ashamed. @realDonaldTrump has done nothing but lead our country - resulting in a booming economy, more jobs & a stronger military, to name just a few of his major accomplishments. 🇺🇸 We look forward to a fair trial in the Senate.

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by Anonymousreply 376December 5, 2019 3:18 PM

Gurlfriend WORKED this morning!!! Yass, Miss Nancy! Yasss!!!!

Lisa Desjardins @LisaDNews

Wow. That was an incredible moment as a reporter asked @SpeakerPelosi, as she was exiting news conf., if she hates the president.

She immediately pushed back, hard, at the idea.

Here’s what it looked like from the side.

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by Anonymousreply 377December 5, 2019 3:22 PM

[quote]—Who is the reporter?

I doubt it was a reporter. It was probably some shithead from a site like Breitbart

by Anonymousreply 378December 5, 2019 3:26 PM

The entire press conference (20:52)

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by Anonymousreply 379December 5, 2019 3:31 PM

James Rosen is an ex–Fux News hack who's now with CNN.

by Anonymousreply 380December 5, 2019 3:36 PM

James Rosen Joins Sinclair as a Washington-Based Investigative Reporter/Jan. 2, 2019

James Rosen is returning to television news, joining Sinclair Broadcast Group as a Washington DC-based investigative reporter.

Rosen’s arrival at Sinclair comes slightly more than a year after he suddenly exited Fox News Channel.

NPR’s David Folkenflik had spoken with 8 of Rosen’s former colleagues at the time, who claim Rosen “had an established pattern of flirting aggressively with many peers and had made sexual advances toward three female Fox News journalists.”

These harassment claims were undoubtedly the reason for Rosen’s departure.

Employed by Fox News from 1999-2017, Rosen was most recently Fox News’ chief Washington correspondent, often reporting for Special Report, and across the Fox News daily programming slate.

In 2013, it was revealed the Obama Justice Department had been investigating Rosen in a leak probe. FNC executives at the time referred to the investigation “downright chilling.”

The Sinclair-Fox News link became a hot topic last year, when reports surfaced in May that the Baltimore-based broadcaster was preparing to challenge Fox News in the right-leaning national TV news sphere. That has yet to happen.

Sinclair had a rough 2018 in general. It lost out on Tribune, and garnered controversy for its must-run promo showing dozens of anchors at Sinclair-owned local stations around the country reading what appears to be the same, scripted anti-mainstream media message on-air.

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by Anonymousreply 381December 5, 2019 3:47 PM

Anthony DeRosa🗽@Anthony: Sinclair reporter James Rosen who asked Pelosi if she "hates the president" left Fox News last year after allegations he made sexual advances toward three female Fox News journalists, including two reporters and a producer.

Keith Boykin @keithboykin: Sinclair Broadcasting reporter James Rosen, who left Fox News after sexual harassment allegations, asks House Speaker Nancy Pelosi if she hates Trump. Pelosi responds: “Don’t mess with me when it comes to words like that.”

Jim Bourg @jimbourg: House Speaker Nancy Pelosi returns to stage to challenge Sinclair reporter James Rosen after he asked her "Do you hate the President?" and to respond "I don't hate anybody" at end of news conference about House impeachment inquiry of President Donald Trump. REUTERS/Tom Brenner

siobhan kennedy @siobhankennedy4: Question came from James Rosen the former Fox Correspondent and now a reporter Sinclair. And boy did it make her mad..

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by Anonymousreply 382December 5, 2019 3:57 PM

Great shot!

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by Anonymousreply 383December 5, 2019 3:59 PM

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump (10 min ago)

Nancy Pelosi just had a nervous fit. She hates that we will soon have 182 great new judges and sooo much more. Stock Market and employment records. She says she “prays for the President.” I don’t believe her, not even close. Help the homeless in your district Nancy. USMCA?

by Anonymousreply 384December 5, 2019 4:09 PM

Right now I'm filled with hate, r384.

by Anonymousreply 385December 5, 2019 4:32 PM

Uhm... Has anyone seen this person around anywhere?

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by Anonymousreply 386December 5, 2019 4:56 PM

I can't stand that guy R386 I wish the dems would unselect him as minority leader.

by Anonymousreply 387December 5, 2019 5:20 PM

"A gut" vs this R375

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by Anonymousreply 388December 5, 2019 5:35 PM

Nadler's still thinner than Trump.

by Anonymousreply 389December 5, 2019 5:48 PM

I fucking couldn't hate Schumer more than I already do, then the Peter King send-off managed to have me finding even more hate for him.

I will never vote for him. Ever. I wish a strong Dem (even a carpetbagger) could come and get him the fuck out.

by Anonymousreply 390December 5, 2019 5:53 PM

r387, if/when the Democrats take back the Senate, he will probably be elected MAJORITY leader.

He ain't goin' nowhere.

by Anonymousreply 391December 5, 2019 6:01 PM

He seems oily.

by Anonymousreply 392December 5, 2019 6:01 PM

I think once we flip the Senate...and we must...I'm shilling for Klobuchar. I want her to become Senate Majority Leader and for Schumer to step down.. Amy won't be on the ticket in 2020. But she is a valuable person to stay in the Senate and she will take care of business.

by Anonymousreply 393December 5, 2019 6:18 PM

Dick Durbin or Patty Murray would take the Senate Majority Leader position if Schumer stepped down.

And for the record "Nadler is Slimmer than Trump" is the customized T-Shirt I just ordered.

by Anonymousreply 394December 5, 2019 6:29 PM

I so wish that we could hang Mitch McConnell by his thumbs and beat him with fire hoses.

by Anonymousreply 395December 5, 2019 7:00 PM

R137, I currently work front desk in a hotel, and the company's policy is that lobby TVs must always be on either CNN or ESPN. We get multiple requests from guests each week to change to Fox News. It feels incredible to tell them that company policy prevents me from doing that. The feeling never gets old!

by Anonymousreply 396December 5, 2019 7:46 PM

This is going to end in tears.

by Anonymousreply 397December 5, 2019 8:21 PM

So, wha' ch'all serving at the Impeachment pahty?

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by Anonymousreply 398December 5, 2019 8:28 PM

Republicans in the House and Senate could be gentlemen about this entire thing and quietly arrange to not vote too impeach. I can't believe how fucking tacky so many of them are, on national TV no less.

by Anonymousreply 399December 5, 2019 8:36 PM

The Damage Report

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by Anonymousreply 400December 5, 2019 9:25 PM

That is a great picture of Pelosi with her knives out, r383.

She isn't fucking around with these clowns and they had all best abide by her words.

by Anonymousreply 401December 5, 2019 10:20 PM

Laws Broken While U Wait:

Giuliani is in Ukraine claiming that further U.S. aid to Ukraine might be held up unless Ukraine investigates Hunter Biden.

(About $14 million in aid that was at issue in Trump's previous attempt to shake down Ukraine has yet to be released.)

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by Anonymousreply 402December 5, 2019 11:24 PM

Lindsey McPherson @lindsemcpherson

Pelosi says she doesn't want to be remembered for impeachment, she wants to be remembered for the Affordable Care Act. “I have to admit that today was quite historic. It was crossing a threshold,” she says, but hopes the moment will be remembered in context of the founders

Adam P. Levy @adamplevy

"I'm not on a timetable, I'm on a mission" @SpeakerPelosi says when asked if she would retire if a Democrat wins the White House next year. #PelosiTownHall

Nancy Pelosi @SpeakerPelosi

We are either a democracy or we are a monarchy. There is no excuse for @realDonaldTrump refusing to comply with congressional oversight. #PelosiTownHall

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by Anonymousreply 403December 6, 2019 2:20 AM

[quote]Republicans in the House and Senate could be gentlemen

If they could, they wouldn't be Republicans.

by Anonymousreply 404December 6, 2019 3:11 AM

.....

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by Anonymousreply 405December 6, 2019 11:22 AM

People are forgetting the other crimes, besides the quid pro quo, the president has publicly committed. Refusing to obey subpoenas is Obstruction Of Justice. This is cut and dry. The Senate cannot ignore that. Trump is fucked.

by Anonymousreply 406December 6, 2019 12:06 PM

People are forgetting the other crimes, besides the quid pro quo, the president has publicly committed. Refusing to obey subpoenas is Obstruction Of Justice. This is cut and dry. The Senate cannot ignore that. Trump is fucked.

by Anonymousreply 407December 6, 2019 12:06 PM

Uh-Oh...

Now, we don't want to become TOO excited, but...

Senator Chris Murphy said on "Morning Joe" today that he knows of a few Republican Senators who are ready to vote "yay" to impeach, and... remove Trump. Of course he wouldn't name them and he said it is fair to say that the number at present is no more than 5.

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by Anonymousreply 408December 6, 2019 12:18 PM

Why would the Senate already make up their minds when the evidence hasn't been presented to them? Where's the due process they claim they want? Due process works both ways.

by Anonymousreply 409December 6, 2019 3:42 PM

R409 Why? Because that's the reality? All Republican Senators have already stated they don't think the proposed charges merit impeachment. To the degree of a Sen Graham who said explicitly "I am not even going to read the evidence." Dem Senators who are candidates are more careful - Klobuchar's "well I am not going to comment on that, as I will be the 'jury' if impeachment charges are brought to the Senate." The definitions and applications of due process, in this political as opposed to judicial arena, will be pretty unique.

by Anonymousreply 410December 6, 2019 3:51 PM

Republicans are such colossal assholes and cunts. Vile party. Lindsey Graham is a soulless, immoral scumbag.

by Anonymousreply 411December 6, 2019 4:29 PM

It has been proven for 20-30 years that cynical, lying, corrupt Republicans get away with everything and get rewarded. Senate will not impeach Trump and USA continues its disintegration into a bifurcated post-industrial post-democratic nation in decline, where much of the electorate are immoral people also incapable of abstract and critical thinking. For 20 years we've been "thanking our troops" for fighting the longest war in our history, and a completely unnecessary, idiotic boondoggle which the Dems haven't called out enough, either, Since that has been "OK" with Congress why not our current high crimes and misdemeanors.

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by Anonymousreply 412December 6, 2019 4:51 PM

Aside from fighting terrorists in Afghanistan, the other even more compelling reason was its proximity to Russia and the clandestine Russian support the terrorists were getting because of the oil and gas in Afghanistan. We supported the Afghanis in the 70's when we helped them humiliate Russia and force then out of Afghanistan. WE are supporting Ukraine for similar reasons and if anyone doesn't understand the geopolitical importance of our support of Ukraine they are complete dolts. Our education system has failed us. Look,Pelosi is ore right than she may realize. But since she sat on the Intel committee back in the day, she'd know. All roads do lead to Russia, or in this case, to Putin. RUssia has been fucking around in the Middle East and in South America to shit on us for decades, going back to Jimmy Carter.

by Anonymousreply 413December 6, 2019 5:47 PM

R408, You know Mitt Romney is one of them.

by Anonymousreply 414December 6, 2019 7:59 PM

Anybody else taking note of all the "It'll be a waste of time to impeach" headlines flooding the internet?

by Anonymousreply 415December 6, 2019 9:08 PM

Between Nancy’s bitchslapping, Joe Biden reaming that old shithead and Hillary going rogue and saying whatever the hell she wants, I’m living for Democrats right now. I think it all started with Adam Schiff telling them all to fuck off during the hearings every five minutes and Swalwell introducing the Daily Beast article about Nunes. If only they’d get EVEN nastier, the Republicunts would turn tail and run. Keep up the relentless pressure. No mercy!

by Anonymousreply 416December 6, 2019 10:05 PM

"Sew doubt," R261? Do you do needlepoint as well?

The word you want is "sow." You're welcome.

by Anonymousreply 417December 6, 2019 11:34 PM

r415 - Yes

by Anonymousreply 418December 7, 2019 3:22 AM

R415, yes, and I've no doubt it's orchestrated.

by Anonymousreply 419December 7, 2019 3:47 AM

Washington Post:

As impeachment tide swirls around Trump, Giuliani drops anchor in Ukraine

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by Anonymousreply 420December 7, 2019 1:39 PM

The Democrats need to stress what Pelosi keeps repeating. It's about our Constitution. It's about the law. This is not "political." She regularly separates political issues that can be argued in a campaign, from the issues of violating the Law and violating the oath of office, and shitting on the Constitution. This is core to our democracy, and the foundation of our government. It is massive.

Calling on a foreign power to interfere in our elections is a massive violation. And the second part, which often gets overlooked, is that the President of the United States withheld funds already approved by Congress and assigned to the Defense Department. That's another violation of the separation of powers, even though Trump regularly fucks over Congress while McConnell and Ryan allowed it.

The fact that the funds were to be sent to an ally whose country was invaded, an ally in the middle of prosecuting a real shooting war in which people died, is the 3rd part, and if the Dems were smart they would link it to our betrayal of the Kurds who, last week were getting shelled by Turkey at Putin's behest. I'm telling you there is a real emotional connection between betrayal of the Kurds, and shitting on the Ukraine. It absolutely impacts Trump's approval ratings. At the very least the Democratic PResidential candidates ought to pound on it.

by Anonymousreply 421December 7, 2019 1:55 PM

R421 The current Democrat: "It is a question of protecting the Constitution, checks and balances, the rule of law, the Presidential abuse of power."

The current Republican: "Of course he asked Ukraine for help, that's who he is. That's why we elected him - to be a strong man to break up the corruption of the elites in Washington. As President he has pretty much unlimited power (Wm. Barr's theories of the absolute power of the President."

It is a Constitutional crisis. Clearly. And it is also political - imagine if the authoritarian Presidency is allowed. Imagine if Bernie were elected and started to assert unlimited Presidential power to achieve his socialist vision. Republicans would suddenly have concerns about the President's unchecked power.

We're screwed.

by Anonymousreply 422December 7, 2019 3:30 PM

Regarding Chris Murphy's comment about Republican senators voting for impeachment. What about Lisa Murkowski?

Also, I just saw Al Franken on something and have to wonder what would happen if he was still in office.

by Anonymousreply 423December 7, 2019 6:47 PM

Jamie raskin called fat Donnie a "one man crime wave" on Rachel last night which made me laugh so loud I couldn't hear the rest of what he said.

That line needs to be repeated ad infinitum everywhere all the time.

by Anonymousreply 424December 7, 2019 7:11 PM

[quote]What about Lisa Murkowski?

Please. She's a hand-wringing weak sister full of CONCERN just like Susie "Cream Cheese" Collins.

by Anonymousreply 425December 7, 2019 7:19 PM

I think if we get Laar Alexander, Mitt Romney, Murkowski and wait for it...Susan Collins as well as a couple who are retiring, then maybe we will get 5 Senators...or 6. That is the maximum amount. Period. No other GOP will do it. But there are other ways around the need for 20 and involves only three saying they want a secret ballot. Or it means some just don't show up. That changes the math.

by Anonymousreply 426December 7, 2019 8:42 PM

Where is the MOVE ON organization? Democrats need grass roots organizations to come to their assistance! There needs to be a campaign to call out these Republicans for what they are--traitors to our nation!

by Anonymousreply 427December 7, 2019 9:11 PM

R426, you mention Lamar Alexander, he is retiring next year. I'm scared to see what will be voted in his place. Can't have another Marsha Blackburn.

by Anonymousreply 428December 7, 2019 10:18 PM

Isn't there another vote in the House first? If none of the GOP House representatives votes for impeachment, I doubt any senators will. Also, I think there're 20+ Republican House members who retire in 2020 or do not seek re-election. None of them voted for the impeachment inquiry. Why, if they have nothing to lose? Are some afraid they won't get good jobs in the private sector? Afraid to lose the friendship and respect of their colleagues? Afraid of threats/hatred in their home states?

by Anonymousreply 429December 8, 2019 1:27 AM

The GOP congresspeople do politics for politic's sake. Not for principles. Democrats mix principles in with politics. That's the basic schism. The GOP won't vote to impeach because it is not politically expedient.

by Anonymousreply 430December 8, 2019 1:34 AM

Once the Articles of Impeachment are introduced to the committee they will be debated and discussed and voted on. They will then go to the floor for a full vote of the whole House. Trump would love to trap Pelosi here with a losing vote but Nancy would not call for a vote if she couldn't win it. Look for some attempt at mischief during this process. Once the Articles are voted on and pass, they will be delivered to the Senate for action. It's up McCOnnell, Graham, (Chair of Judiciary) and Chief Justice Roberts then.

by Anonymousreply 431December 8, 2019 2:10 AM

Did you ever had a stupid teacher or stupid boss who makes mistakes but can never admit them, never admit ignorance, nor ever veer off from a standard modus operandi? Such is the Republican congress.

by Anonymousreply 432December 8, 2019 4:22 AM

Yes, r432. A (thank God) former coworker.

Melts down every time she is asked to correct her mistakes no matter how minor. Thinks she knows more than anyone ever and will literally scream at the top of her lungs if she does not get her way or gets called out.

We all figure she's fucking some big wig to keep her job and I'd the rethugs are anything like this cunt, their epic meltdown will be a thing to behold.

And it should prevent any woman from ever voting for these fools again.

by Anonymousreply 433December 8, 2019 5:28 AM

R433

Was Hillary that bad?

by Anonymousreply 434December 8, 2019 6:14 AM

Gee, I wonder how John McCain would be voting.

by Anonymousreply 435December 8, 2019 7:09 AM

R434, go fuck yourself with a red hot tire iron.

by Anonymousreply 436December 8, 2019 3:37 PM

Is no one else watching the hearing this morning?

by Anonymousreply 437December 9, 2019 2:01 PM

^Yes. I was wondering had someone started another thread.

by Anonymousreply 438December 9, 2019 2:04 PM

Watching. The Repukes already tried their some old shit at the beginning.

And some goofball was shouting something right after Nadler got started.

by Anonymousreply 439December 9, 2019 2:07 PM

I'm afraid to start one only to be critically pummeled if someone else has started one. Anyway....on MEDIAite:

Disruption at Impeachment Hearing Leads to Former InfoWars Host Getting the Boot

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by Anonymousreply 440December 9, 2019 2:08 PM

Fuck you Repugs!

If he thinks Trump is disloyal to this country, he has a right to say it. Your objection be damned.

by Anonymousreply 441December 9, 2019 2:08 PM

Live coverage....

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by Anonymousreply 442December 9, 2019 2:09 PM

[quote] Also, I think there're 20+ Republican House members who retire in 2020 or do not seek re-election. None of them voted for the impeachment inquiry. Why, if they have nothing to lose? Are some afraid they won't get good jobs in the private sector? Afraid to lose the friendship and respect of their colleagues? Afraid of threats/hatred in their home states?

Yes, yes and yes. They want private sector jobs, or they have further political ambition, and they believe allegiance to party is their only path. And the forces that have aligned with Trump would align against them. It is more apparent than ever that the Trump "coalition" is not just Cheeto and his cronies, there are clearly very rich, influential shot-callers who are supportive of his presidency and undeterred that he is a demented trainweck.

by Anonymousreply 443December 9, 2019 2:26 PM

Castor's comb down is not a good look.

by Anonymousreply 444December 9, 2019 2:26 PM

These hearings would be a lot more interesting if the complete cast of characters would testify.

by Anonymousreply 445December 9, 2019 2:27 PM

Again, Castor....oily.

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by Anonymousreply 446December 9, 2019 2:29 PM

[quote] These hearings would be a lot more interesting if the complete cast of characters would testify.

That will be what is most remembered about this impeachment. That a Republican Congress allowed a Republican President to command witnesses not to comply with Congressional subpoenas or produce requested information, with no consequences. It is shameful that the rest of the world may bear witness to this manner of corruption in America.

by Anonymousreply 447December 9, 2019 2:58 PM

I assume lack of activity on this thread is due to it being a re-stating of events. But this did start things off a bit....

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by Anonymousreply 448December 9, 2019 3:17 PM

I’m having trouble with the website. Been trying to post

by Anonymousreply 449December 9, 2019 3:18 PM

I wonder if anybody else is as well. Something nefarious afoot?

by Anonymousreply 450December 9, 2019 3:22 PM

The lawyer on behalf of the Dems is delivering an excellent summary of the Ukraine crime.

by Anonymousreply 451December 9, 2019 3:25 PM

It’s been a bunch of the same-old-same from the Republicans. Attacking the process, and now also suggesting that even though there maybe be SOME substance, it’s certainly not enough to show Trump did anything wrong.

by Anonymousreply 452December 9, 2019 3:27 PM

R298, ignore that creature...it is obviously trolling.

by Anonymousreply 453December 9, 2019 3:31 PM

I just turned from CBS to PBS. Why does CBS use Turdley......

by Anonymousreply 454December 9, 2019 3:34 PM

How do you nicely tell someone that just because they are too dumb to put all the pieces together, they shouldn't be against the criminality and corruption of Trump?

by Anonymousreply 455December 9, 2019 3:38 PM

Still no designated thread for Monday 12/9 Hearing?

by Anonymousreply 456December 9, 2019 4:19 PM

Geraldo Rivera @GeraldoRivera

Today Democrats in Congress take further step off the abyss. For 1st time in our history, hostile House majority moves closer to jumping off the cliff of #Impeachment Without A Crime. Where is the crime committed by @realDonaldTrump? We know you hate him. That's not impeachable.

There was no crime of bribery-No treason-There was no High crime or Misdemeanor. No constitutional trigger. There is & has been an implacable unrestrained hatred of @realDonaldTrump that allows House Dems to proceed w #Impeachment knowing there is Zero chance Senate will convict.

How sad for our country that the lofty language of our founding principles, like, "no man is above the law," have been perverted and hijacked by partisans who are hellbent on achieving a result: #Impeachment of @POTUS -with little apparent regard whether it is justified by law.

Today's counter narrative today will come from #InspectorGeneral @michaelhorowitz when he releases report on whether #FBI improperly spied on the Trump campaign & presidency. At very least, he'll report that an FBI attorney faked an affidavit to get a warrant to spy. #FISAabuse

by Anonymousreply 457December 9, 2019 4:23 PM

PBS

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by Anonymousreply 458December 9, 2019 4:23 PM

So, Steve Castor is planning on boring people to death.

It’s a strategy, I guess.

by Anonymousreply 459December 9, 2019 4:41 PM

He does drone, doesn't he? Oh, and blow it out your dingleberried ass Geraldo.

by Anonymousreply 460December 9, 2019 4:49 PM

THESE FUCKING REPUBLICANS ARE A DISGRACE TO OUR COUNTRY

by Anonymousreply 461December 9, 2019 4:54 PM

"I slightly disagree withe predicate...premise of it..."

by Anonymousreply 462December 9, 2019 4:57 PM

^ with the

by Anonymousreply 463December 9, 2019 4:57 PM

Castor is now just straight up lying.

by Anonymousreply 464December 9, 2019 4:59 PM

Gohmert is Texas' finest of course

obviously there's no rule barring legal counsel from both interrogating and testifying

by Anonymousreply 465December 9, 2019 4:59 PM

Castor is an idiot....

by Anonymousreply 466December 9, 2019 5:02 PM

DOJ report is out!

by Anonymousreply 467December 9, 2019 5:03 PM

Berke is killing Castor

love it

by Anonymousreply 468December 9, 2019 5:03 PM

The DOJ IG's report rebuts allegations of illegal spying and that political bias played a role in the probe begun ahead of the 2016 election, but finds serious faults in other areas, according to a copy of the document obtained by WaPo.

The big claim from Trump of unjustified investigation was wrong. And the errors didn’t materially affect the investigation.

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by Anonymousreply 469December 9, 2019 5:06 PM

NBC:

Internal Justice watchdog finds that Russia probe was justified, not biased against Trump

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by Anonymousreply 470December 9, 2019 5:07 PM

Mr. Nonsensebrenner

by Anonymousreply 471December 9, 2019 5:08 PM

"Where's the list of rules?

Why? It's not like you obey them.

by Anonymousreply 472December 9, 2019 5:11 PM

R469 repubs will focus on their FISA obsession

by Anonymousreply 473December 9, 2019 5:12 PM

David Frum @davidfrum: I talked today with @brianstelter about Fox News' Russia infatuation.

Geraldo Rivera @GeraldoRivera: Fuck Russia and fuck you. I don’t have any infatuation. You’re the smitten one, obsessed with Fox

Malcolm Nance @MalcolmNance: @GeraldoRivera that’s no way to talk about your new masters.

by Anonymousreply 474December 9, 2019 5:14 PM

^ Perfect!

by Anonymousreply 475December 9, 2019 5:18 PM

Barr out with a statement refuting the IG Report, just as he did with the Mueller Report. He's lying as to what's in the report, saying it's evidence of bias against Trump ... and that is not at all what the report says.

by Anonymousreply 476December 9, 2019 5:20 PM

so basically Barr gives repubs their narrative they can focus on now. "Forget this sham impeachment hearing! The IG report shows bias!1!1!1!1!!"

Barr needs to be locked up. Surely he's broken a few laws by now with his conduct

by Anonymousreply 477December 9, 2019 5:24 PM

From Barr:

“The Inspector General’s report now makes clear that the FBI launched an intrusive investigation of a U.S. presidential campaign on the thinnest of suspicions that, in my view, were insufficient to justify the steps taken.

It is also clear that, from its inception, the evidence produced by the investigation was consistently exculpatory.”

Just absolute bollocks.

by Anonymousreply 478December 9, 2019 5:41 PM

Tom Nichols:

Calling Barr a mob lawyer is kind of an insult to the lawyers that mobsters actually hire, who at least pretend to have some respect for the law.

by Anonymousreply 479December 9, 2019 5:45 PM

I really hope I see the day when Barr, along with Trump and ALL of his enablers and accomplices, go to prison.

by Anonymousreply 480December 9, 2019 5:54 PM

R478, Barr, though, can't pull the same trick twice. Everyone now knows he is dishonest (and possibly insane). That's why news of the IG's conclusion leaked ahead of time, to preempt him from pulling another Mueller-type stunt.

by Anonymousreply 481December 9, 2019 5:57 PM

If they don't, r480, what message will that send?

by Anonymousreply 482December 9, 2019 5:57 PM

Doug Collins is another theatrical piece of lying, hypocritical shit but because he speaks so confidently, he's effective at getting tv moments. For viewers who don't know all the facts, he can seem very convincing which is very unfortunate

by Anonymousreply 483December 9, 2019 5:58 PM

Nadler should have let Goldman respond to Collins' bs accusations and new conspiracy theories

by Anonymousreply 484December 9, 2019 6:00 PM

Kevin M. Kruse @KevinMKruse: The Republicans' strategy is to shout and scream and endlessly interrupt, while the Democrats' strategy seems to be to just let Doug Collins make an ass out of himself.

Virginia Heffernan @page88: I'm concerned that Doug Collins's for-profit law school is still on probation by the American Bar Association.

Lisa Desjardins @LisaDNews: NOW: Republicans have 45 minutes. Ranking member Doug Collins will share the time w staff counsel Ashley Callan. She will be the first female staff member to ask questions in the impeachment hearings. (Also she's the only one today who is making her first appearance today.)

by Anonymousreply 485December 9, 2019 6:04 PM

But, R482, that kind of thing never happens. No one is willing to suspend the functioning of society to hunt every last person down. You do need a few exemplary punishments, however.

by Anonymousreply 486December 9, 2019 6:06 PM

I swear to God! I'm so SICK of them! Why don't Democrats come ready and prepared to call out who is a Republican; How much did they contribute to the Republican party; And, what Republican they contributed to? I'm SICK of Republicans trying to divide the country with their partisan strategy shit.

by Anonymousreply 487December 9, 2019 6:11 PM

Lisa Desjardins @LisaDNews: NOW: Republicans have 45 minutes. Ranking member Doug Collins will share the time w staff counsel Ashley Callan. She will be the first female staff member to ask questions in the impeachment hearings. (Also she's the only one today who is making her first appearance today.)

In feminine pink and a light blonde Republicaness hairdo!

by Anonymousreply 488December 9, 2019 6:13 PM

I can't wait for Chairman Schiff to tear these Repugs a new one. The 'Rassling Team best be careful of what they wish.

by Anonymousreply 489December 9, 2019 6:14 PM

Every time Republicans use a woman for something, you know it's a manipulative ploy. Shame on Callan for letting herself be used that way.

by Anonymousreply 490December 9, 2019 6:19 PM

WTF is Nadler doing? He is allowing this prolonged post-coitus cigarette chat between Neon Barbie and Castro instead of her questioning him

by Anonymousreply 491December 9, 2019 6:23 PM

"I think my times up"

Thank God.

by Anonymousreply 492December 9, 2019 6:24 PM

So, who is this FOX camera-ready blonde gal dressed in pink? Has anyone checked to make sure that her dress is short enough?

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by Anonymousreply 493December 9, 2019 6:26 PM

Nadler is just awful.

by Anonymousreply 494December 9, 2019 6:31 PM

Rudy Nunes Giuliani!

by Anonymousreply 495December 9, 2019 6:34 PM

Seth Abramson: OK, new theory, both Castor and minority counsel for the Judiciary Committee are part of the secret "resistance" within the GOP we've been hearing about and they are throwing the hearing

by Anonymousreply 496December 9, 2019 6:36 PM

Goldman look PISSED, like he would punch Collins if he could get to him!

by Anonymousreply 497December 9, 2019 6:36 PM

Steve Castor is the best attorney the Democrats have.

by Anonymousreply 498December 9, 2019 6:37 PM

It's so pathetic that right-wing morons are thinking Collins is killing it because they really are not deep-thinkers. He's essentially yelling "When did you stop beating your wife!?" and they think that's "winning."

by Anonymousreply 499December 9, 2019 6:41 PM

lol, r498

by Anonymousreply 500December 9, 2019 6:45 PM

R499 with right wingers (and a number of centrists/independents) it's all about optics sadly. The repubs know this and are coached to speak confidently and with passion. Sometimes the Democrats come across as too calm and emotionless.

by Anonymousreply 501December 9, 2019 6:46 PM

Who is the sexy man who was sitting behind Goldman? (Italian or Latin looking, with scruff)

by Anonymousreply 502December 9, 2019 7:06 PM

WTF is wrong with Nadler? He's weak and sucks. Goldman asked if he could respond after Sensenbrenner just lectured him and made false accusations for 5 minutes. Nadler said yes at first then when Sensenbrenner complained he yielded his time, Nadler gave up and moved on to the next House member. Schiff let witnesses respond to diatribes.

Nadler is not the right one to chair the committee

by Anonymousreply 503December 9, 2019 7:21 PM

Why didn't Sheila Jackson Lee follow-up and give Goldman opportunity to first give his answer to the previous Repug question that was denied Goldman and then ask her repetitive question? Are these people even paying attention?

by Anonymousreply 504December 9, 2019 7:23 PM

As a NYer, I am just so done with guys like Nadler and Schumer (and Gillibrand can go, too). We need new blood in this city. They fucking suck.

I wish Schiff was there.

by Anonymousreply 505December 9, 2019 7:26 PM

if you think this is crazy, wait until Berke is in the testifying seat. The repubs are going to be even more aggressive because of the perceived injustice that he was rude to Castor when he interrogated him

by Anonymousreply 506December 9, 2019 7:32 PM

what part of Texas does Gohmert rep? He is such a pathetic case. He's as dumb as he sounds.

by Anonymousreply 507December 9, 2019 7:33 PM

for all the repubs whining that Schiff isn't having to testify, why doesn't someone ask them why Nunes isn't since his phone records prove he's involved

by Anonymousreply 508December 9, 2019 7:34 PM

R508, I haven't watched most of this. Did any Dem even ask that?

And WTF is with all of these hicks worshiping an elitist, bubble-dwelling, arrogant NYer? Oh right, he's a racist and a bigot; that was what suddenly had them swooning, but we're not allowed to say it beyond these places.

BTW, I think it's so funny knowing Trump would refer to them as "sounding retarded" with those accents and they still just fawn over him.

by Anonymousreply 509December 9, 2019 7:41 PM

Oh Lord. The split screen with Gym and doofus Castor.....

DUMB & DUMBER

by Anonymousreply 510December 9, 2019 7:44 PM

[quote]As a NYer, I am just so done with guys like Nadler and Schumer

The power position had gone to Nadler's head. But, after the fiasco of Lewandowski (we haven't forgotten), and the superb, wonderful, performance by Mr. Schiff, Jerry felt the pressure on his need to perform. He was doing alright until the right-wing got pictures of him sleeping on the job last week. Let's see what the reviews of today will say. That's what is dictating his performance.

Schumer? Schumer, who? Who is that?

by Anonymousreply 511December 9, 2019 7:48 PM

[quote]Shame on Callan for letting herself be used that way.

She's not being used. She couldn't look or be more the typical, southern, Republican woman.

by Anonymousreply 512December 9, 2019 7:58 PM

AP:

AP FACT CHECK: Impeachment hearing draws too-simple answers

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by Anonymousreply 513December 9, 2019 8:11 PM

Oh get over it, Roby, and blow it out your ass while you're at it.

by Anonymousreply 514December 9, 2019 8:16 PM

TODAY:

Michelle Obama speaks out on impeachment proceedings: 'It's surreal'

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by Anonymousreply 515December 9, 2019 9:10 PM

What happened to Nadler?

by Anonymousreply 516December 9, 2019 9:23 PM

R516, probably had a meeting with the Speaker or is prepping the stuff for this week to be voted on. I'm sure he'll be back to give his final statement and to do the GOPhers' parliamentarian business.

by Anonymousreply 517December 9, 2019 9:30 PM

R516, see? Told ya, haha!

by Anonymousreply 518December 9, 2019 9:37 PM

I love Malcom Nance. I'd celebrity stalk him if I had free time.

by Anonymousreply 519December 9, 2019 9:42 PM

I missed this;

The Fresh Market @TheFreshMarket

We'd like to announce that we are the official briefcase maker of Steve Castor. 😜

You can fill your briefcase up with files or yummy food (our preference).

Mention hashtag #TFMBriefcase over the next 24 hours in-store to get your own briefcase for free (aka reusable bag!) 💚

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by Anonymousreply 520December 9, 2019 9:51 PM

Damn, this is fun! Nadler is not allowing bullshit! Including bathroom breaks!

by Anonymousreply 521December 9, 2019 10:11 PM

R521, that's why Nancy Pelosi asked her caucus when they all gathered together, "Are you ready?" They came PREPARED.

In the meantime, Steve Castor is so stupid. When he talks, he makes me feel like he's the type that you have to inch closer to the door after you tell them you have to leave and they end up saying, "Oh, but let me tell you this," and they still keep you there by telling yet ANOTHER story.

by Anonymousreply 522December 9, 2019 10:22 PM

I think Nadler is afraid that they’ll be there all night. Which they might. That’s how he should run his hearings.

by Anonymousreply 523December 9, 2019 10:27 PM

Rabbi Jill Zimmerman @RabbiJill

Being a Jew in America, 2019: enduring DT spew antisemitic tropes to a room filled w/Jewish-Americans last night, only to hear a US rep today refer to the "New York lawyer". We know what that means. I just never thought it would be like this in the USA. #ImpeachmentHearings

In all my years of life, I have never been as concerned about anti-Jewish hate as I am now; I have friends who have taken their Jewish symbol necklaces off; I know people walking around w/their passports in their purse just in case... THIS IS NOT OK. Jews need to feel safe here.

by Anonymousreply 524December 9, 2019 10:38 PM

Damn, I missed my California Stud, Eric Swalwell.

by Anonymousreply 525December 9, 2019 10:40 PM

He was indeed swell, r525!

by Anonymousreply 526December 9, 2019 10:42 PM

And, we’re done.

by Anonymousreply 527December 9, 2019 10:43 PM

For now.

by Anonymousreply 528December 9, 2019 10:49 PM

Are there more hearings this week?

by Anonymousreply 529December 9, 2019 10:50 PM

Please, someone stop Ari from quoting Rap!

by Anonymousreply 530December 9, 2019 10:51 PM

Another good day for the Democrats and our nation! But, I think Republicans (and the country) have already reached the conclusion that Trump will be impeached--HISTORY! This is all about the Senate now and the pressure will need to come from us, the people. I heard the minority leader was someone named Schumer but I never see or hear from him.

by Anonymousreply 531December 9, 2019 10:57 PM

none scheduled r529.

by Anonymousreply 532December 9, 2019 10:57 PM

Here’s Eric today. He’s cute. Good questions. Too cute to be President, I think. Maybe in 20 years after life beats the shit out of him for a while.

I’m glad he’s not a DA anymore, or I might have to commit a crime just to be prosecuted by him.

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by Anonymousreply 533December 9, 2019 11:02 PM

I’ve heard there is a small number of Republican Senators ready to come over. Maybe 8. That’s just so far. Remember how that AZ Senator agonized over the drunk SCOTUS nominee? We’ll have more Republican senators like that, torn and flexible. As the Beat goes on.

by Anonymousreply 534December 9, 2019 11:06 PM

Okay... this was funny. I missed this one

The Hill @thehill

Rep. Jim Jordan: "How long is the recess?"

Rep. Nadler: "The gentleman will suspend."

Jordan: "I'd just like to know how long --"

Nadler: "The gentleman will suspend."

Rep. Gaetz: "It's until they're done with their press conferences."

Nadler: "The gentleman will suspend."

by Anonymousreply 535December 9, 2019 11:39 PM

I don't know who deserve to be repeatedly punched more, Jordan or Gaetz. God, what fucking assholes.

by Anonymousreply 536December 9, 2019 11:56 PM

Nadler was much tougher today, towards the end of the hearing. The Republicans were doing a lot of eye rolling. Nadler was t entertaining any interruptions.

I guess it can be really important to know what’s a parliamentary question or what’s a (whatever it was) and also know the right time that each can be entered.

I think at the end, Nadler was just saying “No” to everything and making them prove that they were acting correctly. Towards the end, he didn’t even allow unanimous consent on an article until his staff got a chance to review it.

by Anonymousreply 537December 9, 2019 11:59 PM

r534 I hate to burst your bubble but they will not come over. The current Republican party is tribal and totally corrupt at this point. Until Fox News starts breaking and convincing the Deplorables that Trump needs to go, nothing will happen. You can't view them from a "surely SOME of them must be moral!" because they are not. If they have an "R" next to their name in the past 15 years, they are not normal humans. They are sociopaths and amoral.

Look at the number of House Republicans leaving rather than stay in government. They don't want to be there unless they call the shots. That is their mindset.

The fact that Russia went from being enemy #1 to having 44% of the electorate thinking they're just great and an ally now should show you how the current Republican party is moving. They will do anything to stay in power. The way they are acting in the House - like spoiled, petulant brats - is because they have never handled being the minority party well, and they have no ability any longer to compromise.

They will do what Mitch McConnell decides, and he has chosen his path.

by Anonymousreply 538December 10, 2019 12:10 AM

R538, and Mitch may lose his seat next year, too.

I’ve been saying that this is a process. You take it one step at a time. People should dump their defeatist attitude and adopt a wait and see attitude. The Republicans are certainly afraid of something, so let’s just see how it unfolds. After all, the Dems have no choice. It is their duty to impeach this fraud. And even if Trump is not ousted next Spring, impeachment will be good for Dems running in the fall. It’s win-win, as long as they make a sincere effort.

by Anonymousreply 539December 10, 2019 12:18 AM

I'm just happy that history will always list Trump among the impeached. I'd be ecstatic if he were also the first one removed from office, preferably frog-marched out.

by Anonymousreply 540December 10, 2019 12:23 AM

r539 there's a difference between being defeatist and in projecting morals and scruples on a party that has repeatedly, REPEATEDLY shown they have none, any longer. I'm being realistic. I fully support the impeachment trials, if nothing else to document in history how horrible this situation has gotten.

I do agree it's a process - no one knows how things will turn out. But I would not hope that Republicans will suddenly grow spines/care about the country.

by Anonymousreply 541December 10, 2019 12:28 AM

In Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, Trump won by an average of six percentage points in hypothetical match-ups against all current Democratic candidates, including Joe Biden, who was performing well in head-to-head contests against Trump in polling conducted earlier in the year.

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by Anonymousreply 542December 10, 2019 12:30 AM

R541 I'd say it in different ways, but I agree that the really critical problem in our country is not Trump.... it's the compete rejection of basic American values (e.g. respect for the law), denial of facts, 1984-like gaslighting - by the Republican party. It happened so quickly - I really can't explain it, other than there seemed (2016-7) to be an undercurrent of evil that Republicans just surrendered to... with glee. History may explain it, but I can't.

by Anonymousreply 543December 10, 2019 12:33 AM

Steve Schmidt, former Republican, was on Chris Hayes’ show tonight. He said, what we’ve heard before, “if this doesn’t meet the standard for impeachment, what does?” I think we need to hear this again and again. It’s short-hand for a good argument. They added that a President shouldn’t be ordering investigations of anyone, never mind from a foreign country.

by Anonymousreply 544December 10, 2019 12:40 AM

^I just saw that. The problem is that he is preaching to the choir. I wrote this on one of these threads, but until an individual is directly affected by an action by this Administration then they will be indifferent. "It's their problem and not mine."

by Anonymousreply 545December 10, 2019 12:43 AM

Steve is a Republican, so In general, he’s really not preaching to the choir. Maybe on Chris’ show, but you must know that’s not the only place he’s speaking out.

At the link are prominent Republicans who are anti-Trump. They’re all speaking out, on TV, at work, at dinner parties, etc.

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by Anonymousreply 546December 10, 2019 12:54 AM

[quote]and Mitch may lose his seat

I wish this was literal and someone just kicks his ass.

by Anonymousreply 547December 10, 2019 12:54 AM

[quote] They added that a President shouldn’t be ordering investigations of anyone, never mind from a foreign country.

In addition, the Justice Department, and really all prosecutors state and federal, do not announce the opening of an investigation except in the rarest of cases, which this is definitely not, especially considering that the underlying claims about the server/Crowdstrike and Burisma/Biden had already been debunked. It is why it is so clear that what tRump was asking for was completely out of the mainstream. It is maddening and frustrating that the Repukes are being so willfully and stubbornly blind to the illegality that is so clear and obvious.

by Anonymousreply 548December 10, 2019 12:59 AM

Don’t dream it, R547, be it.

by Anonymousreply 549December 10, 2019 12:59 AM

I, for one, have been calling my idiot NRA senator and telling him to remove the traitor.

If ANY of us pulled this shit - bribery, extortion, witness intimidation, lying to the FBI, lying to Congress, witness tampering, etc, WE would be in prison. Full stop, no question.

But this goddamned traitor isn't even called out by these cowards.

So do your part. Flood their offices with calls and demand they hold the traitor accountable or get kicked to the curb.

by Anonymousreply 550December 10, 2019 1:04 AM

I, for one, have been calling my idiot NRA senator and telling him to remove the traitor.

If ANY of us pulled this shit - bribery, extortion, witness intimidation, lying to the FBI, lying to Congress, witness tampering, etc, WE would be in prison. Full stop, no question.

But this goddamned traitor isn't even called out by these cowards.

So do your part. Flood their offices with calls and demand they hold the traitor accountable or get kicked to the curb.

by Anonymousreply 551December 10, 2019 1:04 AM

I am still shocked at how bad AG Barr is. He disagrees with the Inspector General's report because it doesn't meet his pre-determined outcome. I wouldn't be surprised if he had another Inspector General (Ken Starr, perhaps?) come in and look again until he gets the result he wanted.

He really seems to believe the shit he's spouting too, like at the Federalist Society dinner. They have no qualms anymore about just being corrupt out in the open, and when they're called on it, they just lie and say it's not.

r543 the undercurrent had been building for awhile, but once Trump got elected they were freed of the public restraints that had kept them under control, somewhat. Their 2018 losses should have been a big sign and a warning, but they chose not to heed that and instead, double down.

I was pissed when Obama didn't investigate the corruption under the Bush administration. I think the Republicans realized they could get away with it and Democrats weren't going to nail their balls to the wall the way they would if the tables were turned, because the Democrats actually care about the country and government, and the Republicans no longer do.

by Anonymousreply 552December 10, 2019 1:07 AM

BREAKING: ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT WILL COME TOMORROW MORNING!

by Anonymousreply 553December 10, 2019 1:29 AM

Just two articles: obstruction, and abuse of power. They ought to include one for bribery. Besides, they need one count that the Republicans can nix, freeing them to vote to convict on the other counts.

by Anonymousreply 554December 10, 2019 1:46 AM

Washington Post:

Democrats expected to unveil articles of impeachment against Trump Tuesday, focusing on abuse of power, obstruction of Congress

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by Anonymousreply 555December 10, 2019 1:50 AM

Mr. Schiff looks good this morning and making a compelling speech! Good television!

by Anonymousreply 556December 10, 2019 1:19 PM

They just did.

by Anonymousreply 557December 10, 2019 1:20 PM

YASSSS Mother Maxine could hardly contain her smile!

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by Anonymousreply 558December 10, 2019 1:24 PM

If Trump isn't already wearing Depends on a daily basis, he will be from now on.

by Anonymousreply 559December 10, 2019 1:29 PM

Some random pundit gave the best strategic advice, in my opinion. Do not play and present the case to the Senate. Present the case to the people. I think that will work. The Senate's conclusion might already be decided but if Democrats can gain the favor of the people then the Senate might just have to change its conclusion.

by Anonymousreply 560December 10, 2019 1:32 PM

This does not preclude more witnesses and articles.

by Anonymousreply 561December 10, 2019 1:33 PM

Now, honestly....

I truly believe that this design interpretation could actually catch on. Imagine attending a pool party on Fire Island and you see these receptacles strategically placed for the convenience of the guests?

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by Anonymousreply 562December 10, 2019 1:39 PM

Geraldo Rivera @GeraldoRivera

Democrats are about to walk plank of a surely doomed & wholly partisan #Impeachment. It will rebound vs them when the #Senate resoundingly rejects their fraught #ArticlesOfImpeachment Not a single Republican will join them. Some Democrats will abandon them. This is drunk history.

Desperate to avoid judgment of American people in our national elections in November 2020, House Democrats have unleashed awesome power of #Impeachment. Based strictly on party politics & fear & loathing of @realDonaldTrump, they have committed an act of constitutional vandalism

by Anonymousreply 563December 10, 2019 1:48 PM

OOPS! Apologies everyone!

by Anonymousreply 564December 10, 2019 1:50 PM

When was the last time anyone cared what Geraldo Rivera was saying?

by Anonymousreply 565December 10, 2019 1:52 PM

R565, when Geraldo admitted to being a sex addict who drugged and groped Bette Midler.

by Anonymousreply 566December 10, 2019 1:55 PM

I know they have a strategy to keep it narrow and airtight. But I wish they had two or three more articles. Certainly looking at the Mueller report and establishing a pattern of corruption. It bothers me that the GOP complains it's "too fast" when in reality it started with the Mueller findings. I think a t least several of the obstruction charges ought to be included. It demonstrates a pattern.

by Anonymousreply 567December 10, 2019 1:57 PM

My best guess is that Nancy can only wrangle the votes she needs for 2 counts. Any more counts might cause defections and that's something she's not going to leave to chance.

by Anonymousreply 568December 10, 2019 1:59 PM

[quote]It bothers me that the GOP complains it's "too fast" when in reality it started with the Mueller findings.

It sounds silly but I think Democrats can no longer care about what Republicans are doing. It's all about pushing the number of among the people for impeachment and removal from office.

by Anonymousreply 569December 10, 2019 2:00 PM

There is nothing to say that they advance these two articles while investigating more.

by Anonymousreply 570December 10, 2019 2:00 PM

I expect nothing from the Republicans. They' re part of this corruption. Don't look at them as separate from Trump. The only thing separating them from Trump is style. They agree with him much of the time, they just don't like his coarseness.

Ever since our financial crisis in 2007-2008-2009, I am no longer shocked or expecting Republicans to put country first. We were staring into the abyss. Hundreds of thousands of people losing their jobs, and there was Mitch McConnell referring to Obama, on inauguration day, "My job is to see him fail."

We were literally in an existential crisis that had worldwide implications and there he was with that partisan bullshit, pandering to the most base, racist ideologically rigid instincts in the country. Personally I was baffled at Obama not really fully appreciating the evil he was dealing with.

by Anonymousreply 571December 10, 2019 2:05 PM

[quote]It's all about pushing the number of among the people for impeachment and removal from office.

Every time I see or hear something like 'removal of office', I always have to take a deep breath and remind myself to not ever entertain that dream. The GOP is acting all cocky because they know it will never ever happen. I'd love to be proven wrong, but the realist in me harkens back to the day when Kavenaugh was voted in and how let down I felt because I let myself think there was a possibility someone would do the right thing. I dread the day the Senate votes and how let down we will all be feeling when that asshole stands in front of a crowd gloating with that shit eating grin on his fucking face.

by Anonymousreply 572December 10, 2019 2:15 PM

Treason should be an article.

by Anonymousreply 573December 10, 2019 2:46 PM

The articles are narrow, not articulated in ways to win voters (contempt of "congress"?). The articles may not be the smartest politics.

The article are, however, the right thing for History.

by Anonymousreply 574December 10, 2019 2:57 PM

I have to turn the sound off whenever a Rethug comes on the screen and starts spewing LIES. Are we living in some alternate universe? Why are they denying any of this????

by Anonymousreply 575December 10, 2019 3:14 PM

Trump's crimes have been documented and entered into the official record. It's a game-changer.

by Anonymousreply 576December 10, 2019 3:38 PM

R565, I was wondering why in the hell we have someone here who insists on quoting Geraldo Rivera.

Really?

by Anonymousreply 577December 10, 2019 5:16 PM

[quote], and there was Mitch McConnell referring to Obama, on inauguration day, "My job is to see him fail."

And today's GOP is an example of projecting because they are trying to frame the Dems going after Trump in the same way they went after Obama for merely breathing.

Trump is a fucking criminal to any normal, genuinely decent person who doesn't live their life by a fucking letter: "R" or "D". Trump supporters are garbage. They are garbage and go fuck yourself with the coddling of these vile people.

by Anonymousreply 578December 10, 2019 5:20 PM

Amen r578, at this point in time, every vile piece of shit Republican needs to be publicly shamed for all of the stunts they are pulling so that history not only is recorded for what the asswipe in the Oval office, but also the spinelessness of the sycophants enabling him. I wish the mainstream media would get tough and now just shout "YOUR LYING" on air to the worthless (R) scumbags who are paving the way for this shitstain. The only way anything is going to change is if they feel a change in the air with public perception not being on their side.

by Anonymousreply 579December 10, 2019 5:50 PM

I don't watch MSNBC much, but I did for about five minutes and heard Chris Matthews talking about Lindsey Graham and how he doesn't know why he's doing this and "everybody likes him" and I love Stephanie Ruehl for pushing back after that bullshit and saying "Well, you can't say everybody likes him" and Matthews was trying to backtrack. Matthews is sometimes fine, but really, he's just another tone deaf, old, white guy who doesn't comprehend that Graham's ideology is vile and hurts so many people who AREN'T Christ Matthews. His being nice at cocktail parties is not enough.

by Anonymousreply 580December 10, 2019 6:08 PM

Ruhle*

by Anonymousreply 581December 10, 2019 6:08 PM

Chris Matthews, in a sense, is the lefts' version of Sean Hannity. In my opinion, once again it's the media that is trying to control the narrative. The media wants a "them vs us" narrative. FOX (and the rest of the conservative entertainment media) wants a "them vs us" mentality and narrative. If Democrats fall into this hole they will lose.

by Anonymousreply 582December 10, 2019 6:13 PM

How typical: he meets with Russians then does a rally.

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by Anonymousreply 583December 10, 2019 7:09 PM

Legitimate or planted?

Vulnerable House Democrats seek Trump censure instead of impeachment

A small group of House Democrats fearful of their re-election prospects has revived the idea of censuring President Trump instead of impeaching him, according to a report out Tuesday.

The Democrats, all repping districts Trump won in 2016, met Monday afternoon to consider their options, no matter how slim, as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi had already put the kibosh on censure, Politico reported.

About 10 lawmakers, included Reps. Josh Gottheimer (D-NJ), Kurt Schrader (D-Ore.), Ben McAdams (D-Utah.) and upstate New York Rep. Anthony Brindisi.

A poll last week by GOP pollster John McLaughin Associates found that 54 percent of voters in Brindisi’s district opposed impeachment, while only 39 percent supported it.

“I think it’s certainly appropriate and might be a little more bipartisan, who knows,” Schrader said Tuesday when asked about censure.

But, he added, “Time’s slipping by” with Democrats announcing the two articles of impeachment against Trump Tuesday, and a full vote in the House took take place as early as next week.

“Right now, there’s no other options. This is another option,” said one lawmaker who attended Monday’s meeting.

Pelosi herself had already ruled out censure.

“I think censure is just a way out. If you want to go, you gotta go,” she told reporters in June.

“If the goods are there, you must impeach. Censure is nice, but it is not commensurate with the violations of the Constitution should we decide that’s the way to go.”

Some of the Dems have contacted centrist House Republicans in recent days to see whether they could be willing to censure Trump, the website reported. It’s not known what response they got, if any.

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by Anonymousreply 584December 10, 2019 7:27 PM

It's the NYP, what do you think?

by Anonymousreply 585December 10, 2019 7:28 PM

[quote]A poll last week by GOP pollster John McLaughin Associates

Pass.

by Anonymousreply 586December 10, 2019 7:29 PM

r584, If a Dem is given the vapors by a NY Post article, then they should be primaried.

The vote gives Nancy plenty of time to shift resources.

by Anonymousreply 587December 10, 2019 7:57 PM

For the person above who wanted to delay, listen to Adam Schiff. He directly addresses the issue.

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by Anonymousreply 588December 11, 2019 1:03 AM

[quote] R582: Chris Matthews, in a sense, is the lefts' version of Sean Hannity.

Oh, Lord, no. Hannity is a liar. Matthews is not, as far as I’ve ever been able to tell.

by Anonymousreply 589December 11, 2019 1:05 AM

R579

Thank you for the hearty laugh.

You should probably preemptively check yourself into a mental hospital a day or two before the election, just to prepare yourself for his almost inevitable victory, most likely because of this ridiculous impeachment.

If the House refuses to convict, because 19 Democrats in vulnerable districts decide to vote against it, then it becomes the first failed HoR impeachment inquiry in history, and an end to Pelosi’s leadership.

by Anonymousreply 590December 11, 2019 1:53 AM

R590, these 19 Dems in vulnerable districts, they won in 2018, a year in which such wins were largely seen as a repudiation of Trump. Wouldn’t it mean more trouble for them if they vote to acquit? I think their constituents knew what they were doing when they elected Dems. That’s why 2018 was seen as such a disaster for Trump. The House will vote to convict, it’s really grasping at straws to think otherwise.

by Anonymousreply 591December 11, 2019 2:42 AM

R591, I'm in one of those districts when I'm in PA, and, no, these people are not guaranteed a win. Conor Lamb is facing a tough challenge in 2020. The GOP ads against him for voting to support the impeachment inquiry have been relentless. He has had zero support from the DNC.

by Anonymousreply 592December 11, 2019 2:48 AM

R592, I haven’t counted, but I can’t believe that such numbers are a threat to the resolution passing in the House.

by Anonymousreply 593December 11, 2019 2:52 AM

I smell borsht, cheap vodka and panic.

by Anonymousreply 594December 11, 2019 2:56 AM

[quote]I smell borsht, cheap vodka and panic.

I do too. It seems to me that those who support Trump are becoming hysterical--especially on social media.

by Anonymousreply 595December 11, 2019 2:58 AM

R595

I don’t support him, but I think the Democrats need to be more clear eyed about what is happening.

A failed impeachment in the Senate would have zero benefit for the Democrats but would piss off people that might have stayed home instead of voting for Trump.

A Senate trial would keep Warren, Sanders, and “Cliff bar” “close your bar” that bitch from the Midwest out. But a judge would have an advantage. Seriously. It’s spelled but a judge perfectly and then changed it to but a judge. Pete what is your age. Pete Buttigieg! Finally!

by Anonymousreply 596December 11, 2019 3:08 AM

Impeachment will delineate Trump’s criminal activity. His cult will remain his cult, nothing will change that.

But impeachment will peal-off some of the independents who otherwise might have voted for him. Can you imagine an independent voting for him, having just learned that he used tax dollars to cheat in the election? They won’t like that, who would?

And a failed impeachment will energize the Dems. How many Dems will stay home when presented with an opportunity to vote against Trump? Especially if his crimes are laid-out, and the Senate doesn’t convict. I think a lot of those Republican Senators will lose their seats, for letting a criminal go unpunished.

Right now, the trial is scheduled for January only. It might hurt the Dem senators, but that’s the job. And it’s just a month.

by Anonymousreply 597December 11, 2019 3:49 AM

You know, I can't stand this Fear bullshit. Seriously. I cannot get my brain wrapped around some dumb ass who is "scared" to vote to impeach a guilty scoundrel, or the Senators who claim to be afraid. If I had a dollar for every time some pundit or some Democratic Senator claimed "secretly they hate Trump...but..." I'd be rich. WTF.

The way you give the bullies power is to cave in to them. When you stand up en masse, as one, all together, you defeat them. I could not live my life cowering in fear. I just don't get it. I don't like Congressman Amash. He's running for re-election in Michigan. I'm going to support him. And we need to contact these timid souls and tell them they will get support if they do the right thing.

This is much bigger than one person's "fears." Fuck fear. Stand up. Because swear to God, I will run a fucking coward out of office where ever I can. Fear is no justification. Suppose you were a cop, but you didn't want to go out on patrol because you were scared? No one forced these fuckers to run for Congress. Well, this is your job. Doing what is right is part of your job. How can you justify your existence if you refuse to do the very thing you came here to do? Dumb assed fuckers.

by Anonymousreply 598December 11, 2019 12:57 PM

Show those scared motherfuckers photos of people cowering in fear because of an active shooter. That's fear. Show them the pictures of the children, the 6 yr old babies sleeping on concrete floors in cages after being ripped out of their parents arms. That's fear. Those pigs don't know real fear. All they're worried about is keeping their prestige and their paycheck. I shit on their paycheck, and they can eat it with Ketchup. OK. I;m done.

by Anonymousreply 599December 11, 2019 1:00 PM

This is a really powerful column. Seriously. Please read it, and the post it and spread it around to every site you can think of. Report the link and let's make it go viral. In fact I would fax this multiple times to every "timid" member of Congress, including the Republicans in the Senate who'd vote to remove him if it could be done in secret. I want to wall paper my family Christmas gathering with this.

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