Dateline Genoa City: Traci Abbott's Holiday Cookbook

Ashley and Jack should fat shame Traci for her health. That's a story. Dina in her Sophia Golden Girls state would have no problem calling her out as a fattie. Traci then can slam them all for their hypocrisy. Dina and Ashley probably were hooked on diet pills.

Let's not fall down the Traci rabbit hole, darlings.

Plenty of other things to talk about.

Like: Rey's pinga!

Just my two cents, but if you stopped putting Dateline Genoa City in the thread title, it may protect the thread from being paywalled.

Point taken R3. I hadn't thought about that. Will apply to future threads.

I have wondered since I was a child how someone like fat and homely Beth Maitland found herself a life long career in show business. Low-end show business to be sure, but still a long and fairly lucrative career. Is she also the recipient of nepotism, like the awful Lauralee Bell?

She wasn't always super big. At points in Y&R she was never stick thin but she wasn't fat. Also, she's just really likeable. And the character is likeable. That's a powerful combination. It's like a politician. You may know fuck all about them but you know whether you want to have a beer with them.

R5, character actors have long and lucrative careers. And Beth Maitland is a character actor who just stumbled on to a genre that allowed her to be a leading lady for awhile. I think the soap viewing audience found her relatable and Bill Bell didn't make it easy for the character. She was bullied and called fat and tried to kill herself and did the yo-yo dieting thing and lusted after a gay man and was in a relationship where no one was ever sure if he truly loved her or was just using her.

[quote] She was bullied and called fat and tried to kill herself and did the yo-yo dieting thing and lusted after a gay man and was in a relationship where no one was ever sure if he truly loved her or was just using her.

Beth Maitland is NOTHING like that in real-life. Many actresses her size, they would kill to have the type of career Beth Maitland has had. Steady work for the past 30 years. With an EMMY to boot,

I voted for MORE BETH in the survey last year!

Maitland is hardly the size of a house. She's a generally attractive woman. Yes, she has a bit of frau in her wardrobe. But she's a normal sized woman.

Tracey Bregman may look good on camera, but she looks like a hollowed out skeleton in person.

Why are you doing new threads op? The last one was far from 600.

R11 here. Nevermind. Something about paywall. Agree the Dateline Genoa City shit is old.

[quote]Point taken [R3]. I hadn't thought about that. Will apply to future threads.

I hope that didn't sound bitchy, because I didn't mean it to. Thanks for starting the thread, but I think going back to stealth titles is the way around the paywall. Something like, "There's A New Chef at the Collonade Room" might skip detection.

R13 No, I knew it wasn't bitchy.

I would have VICIOUSLY SLAPPED you if it was. LOL

Now that Goddard is finally GONE (Thursday's episode), they should insert a new flashback revealing that Cane and Traci actually DID have sex back in August when they were in NYC prior to their "just friends" talk. They can use a body double for him in the sex scene and put a filter on the lens to indicate it's a flashback. No one could understand him half the time anyway, so find an voice actor who can mumble something with an Australian accent.

We'd now learn that Traci is 4 months pregnant and just didn't realize it, because she thought she was menopausal and ate too much pumpkin pie at Thanksgiving.

She can then deliver the baby during a BIG February sweeps episode - finally giving her another child to raise, which viewers have been missing since Colleen died.

The Traci character is only supposed to be about 55, so in terms of soap opera it would be shades of late-in-life pregnancies for B&B's Sally Spectra and GL's Reva Shayne.

Someone asked on another thread how far behind we'd gotten because of the impeachment hearings. Well, today, Wednesday, 11/27/19, we watched the episode that should have aired on Friday, 11/22/19. You could tell because of the "next week on Y&R" preview at the end. So we're three days behind.

The way Michelle Stafford delivers that line to Chance about knowing what he and Adam were up to in Vegas, she wants you to think that they fucked.

R15 That's actually more interesting than most of the shit we're seeing on screen these days!

When Jeanne Cooper had to go medical leave, Aretha Franklin rang up Bill Bell and suggested herself as a temporary replacement to play Katharine Chancellor.

Bill Bell turned her down and cast Gisele MacKenzie

r16 Y&R is only two days behind because of the impeachment hearing.

The Peter Bergman 30th anniversary episode was always scheduled to air on Monday, Nov. 25 and it did air on Monday, Nov. 25. So, it does not count as one of the days the show is behind.

Gisele McKensie was a good fill in.

Don't make me pull out my switchblade, R21

Thanks, r20. I did not realize.

R22 Nobody's calling you for another fill in, Mikey.

R15 That isn’t a bad idea. Carly on GH just had a baby and she’s about 65.

DL fave (and mine) Thom Bierdz once told me he didn't trust her -- because "nobody is that nice". True story. I never understood how the fuck she booked even one sentence as an actress.

Who's ready for the Michael-Traci affair?

Traci can finally get back at Lauren for sleeping with Brad.

Ha ha .. and you thought those two bitches had buried the hatchet?

[quote] Thom Bierdz once told me he didn't trust her

Thom Bierdz thinks the earth is flat and published a book with nothing but pages of his asshole. His credibility is QUITE questionable.

Watched today for the first time in forever. Who is this bizarre looking Chelsea person?

R29 One of those boring and entirely forgettable clone actresses from an old ABC soap.

No one was clamoring for Chelsea's return.

And they could have easily said she died in a prison down in Myanmar after being arrested for one of her cons and had Anita drop Connor off at The Newman Ranch looking for a reward.

She's the poor man's Jennifer Garner.

This major source of cuteness, Connor Gowland, played one of Theo's minions in the last two episodes. I hope he gets some lines in the not too distant future.

[quote]Let's not fall down the Traci rabbit hole, darlings.

She couldn't even fit down it, dear.

R32 So he rides through West Hollywood in his flamingo tank top?

Gorgeous AND GAY!!!

I guess so, r34. At least when he's wearing one.

I'm reading this gay novel, [italic]Red, White, and Royal Blue[/italic] , in which the son of the President of the United States and the Prince of England meet cute and fall in love. I'm picturing Kyle as FSOTUS and Theo as the POE.

How can Theo be the prince of anything? But there it is.

Enjoyable enough book, btw.

Jonathan Bennett has been all up in them guts, bareback of course.

SOD once reported that the little diva insisted on having her own hair-makeup person. As I recall, it was her sister? or some other relative?

And Don Diamont said when he joined the show, she still held a grudge against him for what she perceived as him dissing her at a soap event. (He had been on DOOL at the time and didn't know who she was, so wouldn't participate in a photo op with her.) They had to hash this out.

Then, of course, there was the lawsuit against the show, which one newspaper soap columnist back then said she won.

What lawsuit?

Oh God don't blow up R39's - yikes.

I don't think BM is blameless in Goddard being fired. He was a cast member longer than she was and part of a supercouple that BM never was.

R40 Back in the day, she reportedly filed a lawsuit after they used some static-cling spray on a dress they had her in, which then caught on fire. (The rumor was it was ignited by a spark from panty hose friction.)

R42 That sounds like something one of the Laniacs would have made up.

(Not saying you did that, but that just sounds crazy.)

R43 This has nothing to do with Lane or those people. It was reported by one of those soap opera reporters who had a widely distributed syndicated (printed) newspaper column back in the 80s/90s.

This is the place to be, apparently, for Thanksgiving with the soaps. Muriel in her infinite unkindness, has locked down the Bay City / Oakdale / Springfield thread, ON THANKSGIVING, no less.

I suppose in her mind it's fitting, as we can no longer actually spend the holidays with the Corys, the Hugheses, the Walshes, the Snyders, the Spauldings, the Bauers, or the Lewises. Still, on Thanksgiving weekend, here's a couple of Hubbard squashes from 1989.

If anyone would like to start the next Midwestern Marvels thread, a lot of people would be thankful.

R1 They used to have Brenda's Jill try to "counsel" stepdaughter Traci on her weight, and (her) Jill used to scold Mamie by telling her to cook healthier meals for the girl. Also, in one of Dina's early returns, Traci was disconnected from and leery about Dina, but she was trying to see if if she could have some kind of relationship with her mother. There was one scene where Traci point blank asked the socially-conscious Madame Mergeron, if she'd been embarrassed over having an overweight child. I don't think Dina really denied it, but she tried to turn it around by saying, if it seemed that way, she'd only been concerned about what the other schoolchildren would say, and she was already thinking about the heartache Traci could face when she reached dating age.

R5 There was no nepotism, but she really did stumble upon this career (as R7 writes). And this article from the "Los Angeles Times" when she was fired in 1987 -- rumored to be be done by a letter in the mail -- indicates that she'd originally been hired for just a three month stint. .. At some point, Bell came up with the bulimia storyline for her and signed her to a longer contract. She'd already lost weight, but they wanted her to stay heavy for the role.

=======================

LOS ANGELES TIMES

WEIGHTY ROLE

By From Sue Facter

April 12, 1987

Beth Maitland’s up-and-down (on the bathroom scale) soap career is ending: The actress, who’s portrayed insecure and chubby Traci Abbott on “The Young and the Restless” for the last five years, will depart the show in May.

She wouldn’t comment on reports that her termination came by mail, but she talked candidly to us about her sometimes painful career on “Y&R.;”

“I was a size 14 when I was hired,” she said. “When you get a great job, you want to look your best. I lost 10 pounds and was told, ‘You can’t do that. We want to keep you the way you are.’ But no one told me I was hired because I was overweight.”

The producers initially wanted her heavy for a bulimia-angled story line, which generated an avalanche of mail and turned a three-month job into a long-term contract.

Then they put her on an exercise/weight program, tied to a dance-class plot line--"I lost about 10 or 15 pounds at that time.”

Next, they wanted her beefy for a new plot twist dealing with diet and sleeping pills.

Then the show’s writers got unmarried Traci pregnant--so the weight continued to stay on (all for nothing, since she miscarried in the script).

About a year and a half ago, “Y&R;” honchos gave her permission to diet as she pleased. Maitland hired a nutritionist and began working out at Gold’s Gym. She’s now a svelte size 8--down about 55 pounds.

Classically trained as a singer, she’s weighing an offer to perform with an Eastern symphony and said she’s up for a role for an ABC pilot.

Her experience on the show wasn’t as heavy as it might sound, Maitland insisted: “I won an Emmy for the role I originated at ‘Y&R.;’ I’m very proud of my work. I have several good friends from the show. I learned (acting) techniques in daytime. It was good steady work.

“I look toward the future with great vigor.”

LOL R47 so similar to DG's departure.

[quote]“I look toward the future with grape vinegar.”

Fixed.

R48 The thing is, her 1987 exit didn't last very long. In the storyline, Traci was already married to Hot Brad, and they sent her off to California to attend grad school at Stanford (where her old lover Tim Sullivan happened to be teaching). During this separation, Brad started seeing Lauren, so when they brought Traci back, they had something of a quad. Also, in 1988, the Lisa Mansfield story started, which resulted in Traci filing for divorce.

Thanksgiving with Ma Bell.

Bill Jr looks ancient!

Where is Brad?

R52 Bradley's didn't appear to be there.

Perhaps they spent it with her family, or maybe they all went to Aspen, or perhaps the gay couple Coleen recently married had them all over to their place.

Who is the older man sitting next to Lee? Did she remarry?

R54 He's been Lee's steady beau for several years now. His name is John Mulford.

R45 We are now riding a cock horse! New Thread

not a new YR thread yet, the one at 56 is a replacement for the Midwestern threads

Good for Lee that she has a companion.

What a slut.

She trained him to carry her purse a few years ago, but it looks like he gets to camp out at the mansion now.

She's turned into Stephanie Forrester

She always WAS Stephanie Forrester, really.

Speaking of Traci Abbott's Holiday Cookbook, CBS wants you to enjoy her Tangy Brussels Spouts Recipe!

Lee Bell knows all that Brenda Dickson said is true about Bill harassing her.

Tidbit from the Internets:

Our sexy Marco Dapper follows totally-gay (ex-porn star, now producer at MEN.com) "Paul Wagner" under his real-name Instagram account and likes the photo he put up last week.

You all are hearing it from me first: Jonnysbro has another alter ego who will be making a Christmas surprise appearance at the Soap Opera Network message boards. Is it a new poster? A regular poster? An oldie who formed an alliance with Jonny’s network with Jerry, Eboneece, and Donna B? Guess you will have to stop by SON to find out.

^^^^^

Nobody here gives a fuck.

So NO ONE could teach Adam the tune to "Home on the Range"?

R68, I thought it was just that Mark can't sing.

R66, is Donna B a DLer? I remember her from usenet. She liked spoilers. I sometimes thought she was a Mimi Torchin sockpuppet.

R69 Please don't encourage the trolls. If they think anyone here gives a shit, then we get breathless updates on everything, or constant fights here between the queens who fight on Twitter all the time.

YR is absolutely unwatchable. It's not even good enough for hate watching.

WHET the Garbage Man and Spice Cake or whatever their names were?

The "trapped in a storm together" episode might have been interesting, if the four couples had been:

Billy & Adam in the dive bar -- We'd pick up from where they left off a couple of months ago, when Adam threw Billy down on the bed. The rest of the guys in the bar would cheer them on.

Rey & Kevin -- Our law enforcement duo would be stranded in a cheap motel while on a police stakeout together.

Theo & JaBottom trapped in an elevator at Jabot -- We'd finally get the full story of their tempestuous love affair back in New York City with loads of flashbacks.

Nick & some hot, anonymous pizza delivery boy who just happened to be at Nick's door when the lights went out.

Did someone say PIZZA?

[quote] We'd finally get the full story of their tempestuous love affair back in New York City with loads

You could end that sentence RIGHT there.

Lisa De Cazotte passed away. She was 58.

Very sad she's gone.

When she started at OLTL, she went by the name Lisa Hesser. She was so well liked there, they named the character of Carlo Hesser after her.

Ugh. She died, not "passed away"

Another obit on Hesser.

I agree on the 'died' but the people in the soap world knew her; it's tough to write 'dies' even though that's what happened.

what was wrong with her?

R80 All Soap Opera Digest says at this point is "after a long illness."

Hogan Sheffer and Lisa, within a few months......

Chrissy hangs with the cool kids in Toronto.

I wonder if he'll take everyone to Woody's in the village as he's done before.

[quote] I wonder if he'll take everyone to Woody's in the village as he's done before.

But he'll want to go to Remington's alone.

Remington's is no more ... closed in 2018, and the block is being redeveloped.

Why is Michael in TO with Sharon and Adam? Or are they there as Chrissy, Sharon, and Mark?

[quote] Remington's is no more

GASP!

R95 They were participating in one of Kate Linder's charity "teas" that she does up in various Canadian cities. This one was for the March of Dimes.

When the last time Chrissy was on? Been at least a month. If Braeden ever retires, no fear, Chrissy will be there the rest of HIS life.

Mark and Sharon up on stage at the Toronto event ... puttin' on a little show for the crowd.

Kent & Sony are interviewing people to either take over as HW or to be CO-HW. One of the people that has interviewed is Dena Higley.

LAWS..................................

Oh dear gawd no. Not Demolition Dena.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

[quote] He was a cast member longer than she was and part of a supercouple that BM never was.

What the fuck are you talking about? BM has been a cast member, on and off, for 37 years. Also, I would classify Traci and Brad, as a super couple.

LeBlanc really is a huge cheerleader for the show. You gotta love him for that. And good for Sharon Case keeping that hot young dick close by her at all times.

[quote] Also, I would classify Traci and Brad, as a super couple.

Traci and Brad were a popular couple among a class of fraus, but within the Big 80s era of bona fide soap opera supercouples where they happened (what Wikipedia refers to as The Golden Era), I wouldn't classify them as one. These days stans try to sell their couple as "super" after a few weeks .. lol!

Dear Aunt Liz and ORD, Muriel has Murieled the latest Midwestern thread, "Ride a cock-horse to Banbury Cross."

Grazie if you can start a new one. Perhaps a holiday version?

Dena almost gave Days the final death blow the last time she was there from everything she did from day 1 till her firing.(Jungle madness,killing Will Horton,Rafe and Hope,etc.....)

R97 I can do it.

Unless you'd like to, Liz?

Are KOLA becoming the new LANE?

Lesbians still placing.

And Nate makes his debut.

I'm taking YR off my TiVO. I can no longer take the aimless no nothing lack of story bullshit. I also can't tolerate the Adam/Connor/Chelsea garbage.

I'll check back in if & when we get a new HW unless it's Higley.

I would give it up, too, if it weren't for Adam. I didn't watch it yesterday. I'm thinking of saving the Adam episodes only. I cannot bear Summer / Kyle / Theo / Abby

R102 I watch for Adam too, but I can't stand this Chelsea-Connor material. .. I like Nate as well, but none of the females circling him (Abby, Elena, Amanda) thrill me. Can he buy himself a rentboy for Christmas?

I am the only poster on Datalounge who does not mind Connor. Not only is he adorable, he's the only character on the show with a recognizable through-line.

^^^ Apparently, the mother of the kid who plays Connor has joined us.

Any spoilers? When is it revealed that his character is *special*?

Does Connor become an axe murderer?

Are they having him watch videotape of Stitch's son, Max?

R100 KOLA is the new LAME!

SPOILER:

[quote] Chloe gives Kevin the ultimate Christmas gift.

An incall from latex Santa Daddy?

[quote] Chloe gives Kevin the ultimate Christmas gift.

She becomes a furry and fucks him with her strap on while wearing a chipmunk head?

R108 I'm pretty sure that's how they regularly do it.

Someone said here that Conner burns down Crimson Lights.....I'm all for that.

Go, Connor!

....and Tessa dies in the fire.

CBS wanted to please the fans that all wrote in and suggested she die in a grease fire.

I don't understand the writers, at times. Why does Billy need a job? He is a very rich man. He would never NEED to work. If he wanted to he could buy a bar or become some sort of Life coach. And, there is no reason why the CEO of a company can't take more than a week away from the office, have these writers never heard about the internet, smartphones, laptops, etc...

they don't know how to write rich people.

or poor people.

or middle class people.

Don't worry, Dena knows how to write rich people.

R115 They don't even know how to write "Writers."

This show is shit.

I only started watching a few months ago when Stafford moved from GH. I also thought Adam was hot and Grossman a good actor. There has not been one good SL. I doubt there is a way to fix this shit since most of the characters are offensively awful. The Newmans especially need to be extinct. Is there any point to any of these characters? Nope. None of their lives are developed or interesting. I have no idea how this show is still on since a friend told me the writing has sucked since the late 90s. 20 years of suckitude.

[quote]I also thought Adam was hot and Grossman a good actor. There has not been one good SL.

I found it compelling when Adam and Nick were at war with each other. I've come to the conclusion that soap operas don't work when people expect to find out "what happens next?" so quickly. Most people seem not to want to wait the way we waited in the '80s with Bill Bell, Douglas Marland, etc.

The magazines and the internet brought on the destruction with their insistence upon spoilers. God, we even have Spoilercunt O' Canada here, giving us the day-aheads. It becomes "why bother?" I hope Mark Grossman can get a better job somewhere. Of all of these actors, he's the only one I'll miss.

But the show is just not working. Real soap opera would have dragged that Nick v. Adam stuff out for a couple of years. But that doesn't work now. I think it's time to pull the plug.

I told my friend I am only hatewatching YnR as there is not one tiny reason to watch. GH has gotten good recently. All kinds of cool stories. I hate the new Cassadine dude. He is too young and ugly. GH still does the slow burn stuff.

If you want to be honest, what's happening on Y&R now is really no different than day to day Bill Bell soap opera, except Bill added a little more camp and a little more tension and the stakes were much higher. The audience says they want character driven story, well this what a character driven show kinda looks like.

I think a good soap opera has to be a combination of both. And you have to have some character stories to ground the plot driven stories. But all the other shows are nothing but plot and that's why Y&R stands out and is called "boring".

The problem with Y&R is that Adam and Phyllis and Victor are the only compelling characters. If you want to do a character driven show, you have to have more than three compelling characters and you have to give them situations that engages the audience. That's just not happening. Y&R needs an umbrella plot. The blackout from the storm last week. That should have been a two week story, that was used to springboard into other story. Remember the GL blackout and the Salem blackout?

Wrong. Y&R has sucked since the 1990s. It should be ended. It is long overdue.

Y&R has sucked since the first moment I watched it in 1988 or '89. That stilted language was just unbearable. I was so glad when LML took over and had characters talk like human beings for the first time in the show's history. I wish she had stayed. It wouldn't be any worse than it is now.

R122

I couldn't disagree more strongly. I don't find Phyllis (MS's version), Adam or Victor compelling. Victor hasn't been compelling in eons. Adam is boring AF. The show desperately needs balance. You can't have 3 character (Adam,Chelsea,Connor) eating the show alive while everyone else is either MIA or floating in & out of scenes with no purpose.

YR is a show without purpose or direction.

R122 I couldn't believe the blackout, lasted only one episode and didn't seem to cause any lasting stories. It is like these writers know the ingredients but not the recipe.

I agree that Adam's current story leaves a lot to be desired, but Adam is a compelling character. And I know that everyone loved GT as Phyllis, but I thought she was wrong for the role and she never did anything for me. But you are right, YR lacks direction right now.

r126, it seems to have begun a drinking relationship between Billy and Amanda. Could Nick and Phyllis be headed back together? (IDK. I didn't watch when they were a couple, except for the day Phyllis gave birth to Summer in the elevator.) Could Victoria turn to Rafe when she finds out about Billy's gambling? I forget who the fourth couple was.

I haven't watched an entire episode in weeks. The current storylines and showcased characters are beyond boring.

When the actor who plays Nate smiles you can really see Tonya Lee Williams as his mother makes sense. The other, wacky Nate was just creepy.

I actually liked Nick and Phyllis

R120 and R122 make some good points.

Most of these shows lost their way in the early 2000s and never really found a balance again. No matter what the tone of the show is/was, there has to be some movement. It helps the audience to engage when they have a character who has a very clear purpose and drive.

Every show used to have a few of those characters that could or would drive things: the villain or villainess who would strike the balance between total evil and redeeming values. The young woman who wanted success, a family, money, all the things she'd been denied as a kid, and would stop at nothing to get them. The good character who would occasionally do something morally questionable to protect a child or someone s/he loved.

Now, good vs evil means nothing, because antiheroes like Sonny Corinthos or yes, Adam Newman are the ones with rooting value. DAYS has a storyline trying to redeem a serial killer. I respect the contributions of Braeden, Thomas Scott and Bergman, but there is absolutely no fresh take that can be done on the Victor/Jack or Newman/Abbott rivalry, and most of the offspring of both are so limp and undefined we don't give two shits about what's happening to them.

There is just NOTHING there and NOTHING going on. We really don't know what defines most of the characters, and the narrative playing out has no direction - the powers that be are SO afraid of committing to a direction, of relying on an actor that may leave, of trying something new or bold or exciting, that they keep it as generic as possible.

Spoilers may have done some damage to the car, but what's ultimately killed these shows is that they just can't be made in a financially sustainable way any longer. The more they cut, the smaller it shrinks, and the more that has to be cut, and it goes on and on until nothing is left (see under: Guiding Light, The)

You are right about NOTHING going on. Scenes lag. Victor visiting Devon. Snooze fest. Hillary Doppelganger is a bore. Lola has neutered poor Kyle. Rey is a joke, in search of chemistry. Just get rid of him. Get Adam out of this domestic nonsense with Chelsea and the Bad Seed kid. How can Sharon be friendly to Chelsea when Chelsea ASSAULTED her???? Such stupid writing. Is Mr. Pathetic Doug Davidson still sleeping in his car at Television City hoping they'll need him???

R133

Hell, no to getting rid of Rey! Rey & Nate are the only eye candy on this God forsaken show.

[quote] Is Mr. Pathetic Doug Davidson still sleeping in his car at Television City hoping they'll need him???

LLB teased that Dougie will be making some kind of holiday appearance with a few of the other barely-theres.

R134 There's an idea: Nate & Rey!

What a flip flop that would be!

Like something from Titan Men!

I want to see Rey's double digit pinga WRECK Nate's hungry hole.

R137

Yes, lawd!

Rey's hot cum dripping from his hole.....

They should pair that image with the icing oozing down Mamie's cinnamon rolls on Christmas morning.

I wonder what those "Jabojis" that Theo is working on for JaBottom look like?

Do they still market the Face Cream?

They've marooned Adam in this storyline with Chelsea and Conner and as a consequence, Adam has been neutered. A character so exciting six months ago is now yawn inducing.

I really think the boredom of the last few months is a strong sign that Y&R is getting a new writer. They're treading water for a bit until the new one comes in to do their own thing.

It’s rumored they are getting the chick who ran DOOL into the ground to be head writer. The one that was fired three times. She’s notorious for killing off vets and highlighting her favorites everyday. So we are getting Chelsea every day now . With this woman, it might be Rey and Lola every day. I see no hope for this show anymore.

Dena's not coming to Y&R.

Sara Bibel and Jamey Giddens should be writing that show. But that would make too much sense.

I understand Dena Higley's time on DAYS was derided, but her stint on OLTL wasn't horrible, not great but not horrible. I do find it strange that at both OLTL and her latest DAYS stint she was followed by Ron Carlivati.

Let's bring in Patrick Mulcahey.

With any luck, we'd get flashbacks of when Chance was Adam's slave in Las Vegas, and Adam kept Chance in a cage with a dog tail butt plug up his ass, and Chance loved it.

Dena was horrible over OLTL and she almost finally got Days cancelled with her serial killer and jungle madness storylines along with her pets.

R149 I didn't hate her OLTL stint, mainly because she followed Michael Molone and Josh Griffith's stint, which I HATED. Molone's first time was wonderful, but his second stint when he served as co-head writer with Griffith, was horrible.

I was on DOOL and OLTL?

Yes, Dina. It was a real secret storm of a storyline, but your love of life shined through.

R144 good point. The writers need to be incinerated with acid. They are fucking horrible. The Chelsea Adam Conner story is some of the worst writing I have seen in any show. I have lost all reapect for Adam now. The show is so horrible I cannot even hatewatch it anymore. There is nothing going on. Not one story that we need to see. There is no fix for this shitfest.

[quote] With this woman, it might be Rey and Lola every day.

If you know anything about her from Days, she'd probably re-instate THE ENTIRE ROSALES FAMILY, including mama & papa, along with an ex-girlfriend of Rey's from high school played by an actress who's well-known by telenovela watchers and has a very heavy accent. And she'd probably find a reason to create a heavy recurring role for Galen Gering and play him this mix until Days production hiatus is over.

maybe mama Rosalie will bring a poultice!!

R154 that telenovela actress supposedly now hates Dena, hates Days of our lives and allegedly that her experience there was a bad one.

R154

Minus the Galen & Dena as HW I'd gladly take the Rosales 24/7 over this Adam/Chelsea/Connor shit.

The New Young and Restless

STARRING

Beth Maitland!

The problem with all the writers left in Daytime, is that they seem to think they have to be all character driven, or all plot focused. When to have an entertaining show you need both. Bill Bell and Y&R was character driven in its heyday, but they still had plots. Recently it seems like we are just watching character studies with no sense of purpose, whereas with Mal Young it was like watching all plot points with no characterization.

Let's send bratty 8-year old Connor to military boarding school.

He can return next Summer as a 16-year old cadet played by a 19-year old actor.

Did he burn down Crimson Lights yet?

So basically Griffith is just re-doing Pratt's story where we had Stitch's 8-year son, Bad Max, out to get Abby? .. Now we have 8-year old Bad Connor out to get Sharon.

As I recall, Bad Max started a fire too. It was at the GCAC, where he was trying to cover up how he'd caused Abby to trip down the stairs and suffer a miscarriage. Instead of dead baby, will we get a dead lesbian?

Spoilerina O'Canada said "dead lesbian."

If Tessa dies, who will sing to Dina?

Where's the bleedin' cookbook? Clickbait, OP!

I want Conner to die a horrible painful death - and soon. Maybe Nicki can run over him with her car.....or someone can hit him with a suitcase....or he can choke on a cookie.

If Billy killed Connor then he and Adam would be even!

Can Chelsea be on the road with Connor when the car runs down BOTH of them?

When the holiday messages are better than the show itself ....

r169 I was hoping Mark would share his favorite Chanukah tradition(s).

I like the idea of Billy killing Conner - it has pizzazz.

ooks.

Casting news

"The role of Tanner is said to be short term role."

Instead of a recording artist, he should be someone's gymnastics teacher.

When JaBottom told Dummer to "speak her mind" and just tell him what what she thought about the situation between him and Theo, the scene begged for her to just come right out and say, "Good god, Kyle! It's so obvious that you and Theo want to fuck .. if you haven't already. .. Just go get a room! .. If you want, I'll sit on the corner of the bed and 'regulate' things!"

Josh Griffith on set at Yawn & Listless.

Via Chrissy, of course.

R176 Fen is back on the show?

R177 We knew FenMo was returning for Christmas. For how long, I don't think that's been said.

Faith is home for Christmas . . . and she's now as tall as Sharon.

Yeah time to soras Faith and let little Dolly Parton go.

.......

Her Netflix show was canceled so Faith might be around more.

Dear Gawd in Heaven ... Chrissy chews so much scenery in his upcoming exchange with Paul at Society that I'm surprised the restaurant is still standing! .. I was waiting for Lauren to shout, "CALM DOWN, MARY!"

If you were Phyllis and had overheard Adam and Chance's conversation, instead of taunting them about their secret boys club in Vegas, your first question to them would be, "Okay, guys .. Who's the top? Who's the bottom? .. Or, is this one those modern flip-fuck relationships?"

When Sharon, Summer, and Mariah started teasing Little Miss Dolly Parton about being interested in 'some boy,' Faith should have punked 'em by replying, 'some girl.'

"Dear Gawd in Heaven ... Chrissy chews so much scenery in his upcoming exchange with Paul at Society that I'm surprised the restaurant is still standing! .. I was waiting for Lauren to shout, "CALM DOWN, MARY!""

That scene was beyond ridiculous. It was as if they were improvising at a table reading.

What was Michael in an uproar about?

They have new-ish opening credits as of two episodes ago. They added a full-height shadow photo of each actor next to his or her respective closeup. But they didn't add Mark or Michelle to the credits. What the fuck?

Canada says that Lauren and Cricket threaten to withhold sex from Michael and Paul if they don't stop their arguing about who "cheated" in some dumb game.

R185, At first, they argued about a racquetball game, then about a tire slasher that DA Michael was against prosecuting.

[quote]Lauren and Cricket threaten to withhold sex from Michael and Paul

Is this what we've come to?

[quote] Lauren and Cricket threaten to withhold sex from Michael and Paul

They should have run with that development ... leading to the perfect opportunity for LaBaldwin to present hole to Clueless in the gender neutral toilet at Society.

Cait Fairbanks (Tessa) appears to be sticking around.

That IG post she put up seemed intentionally phrased to beg the question about her status on the show, which (of course) someone then asked, "Wait you’re gone off of #yr?"

Her answer, "nope!"

r191 So was Spoilerina O'Canada making shit up?

Thankfully I have stopped watching this shitshow. There is not one good thing about it. There is nothing that makes it a soap, a drama, or even a human interest program. Truly some of the worst writing on any show. How can you have not one interesting storyline in six months. And chewing gum means you have a personality disorder? Jesus fuck.

So, can Billy and Amanda please fuck already?

Is Traci making Turducken for Christmas dinner?

Traci should relapse with her eating disorder and get hooked on Black Beauties again.

Traci should find out her degrees and diplomas aren't legit, and go back to school a la Jerri Blank.

Is NuFen back in town this week?

Now she can add Theo's Oil Balls.

Has Theo been at all interested in the Brooks side of his family? The Chronicle was owned by his supposed grandfather.

R198 This week's episode guide seems to indicate that FenMo arrives on Friday (12/27) when "Michael and Lauren receive a Christmas surprise."

[quote] Has Theo been at all interested in the Brooks side of his family?

Only when Theo was first starting out right after high school and bottomed for the very wealthy and influential alpha top, Brooks Prentiss.

Of course, Theo didn't know that he and Brooks were half-cousins either.

Canada is airing episodes two days ahead of the USA.

r203 Spoilerina O'Canada must really be cumming in her long johns now.

Nobody with any intelligence will watch Y&R. It is horribly bad and a total snoozefest. 95% are not actors.

R205 I really wonder what the longtime actors think when they get the scripts, now? Especially the ones that started with Bill Bell scripts.

The day-to-day scriptwriting isn't bad. It's the longterm storytelling that sucks. Adam returned and went from highly decent villain to worried daddy of nudgey little boy in six months. Ack! And then there's the mess that is Theo. Sorry, Y&R, you made him suck, and no amount of oil balls can make him acceptable. And Phyllis makes no sense at all.

For longtime actors, they just want to shoot it and go home. They've been around long enough to know when something is shit and not working, but most are professional enough to just play it, try to turn shit into sugar and bitch to the EP later on about how this all sucks.

And for some actors, they don't know that something isn't working until they read the message boards like everyone else. And despite what they all say, they all read all the message boards, soap twitter, face place, and everything else.

R208 You know MTS goes home and tells her husband "The show sucks since you left, look at this shit," and tosses him a script.

MTS's husband was then fired from DAYS for fucking a 20 year old actress and also for letting Allison Sweeney re-write scripts the way she wanted.

Her husband is just another creep.

R210 is that true or a rumor? I have seen the allegations of rewriting by him and Sweeney but not the allegations of sleeping with a 20 year old. Also, the show was being written by Dena H at the time so they probably did need rewriting.

I'm not R210, but Dena was the one who reported him to the WGA. Didn't know about the 20 year old actress. Was it the girl who played Mia?

Ashley Benson was the one he was screwing. He also had her part expanded because he was fucking her.

Old timers got pissed off and reported him, which got him fired, as well as Benson, who was happy to use him. They used the Writer's Strike thing for the public reason.

TPTB didn't care that Sweeney was rewriting plots and scripts since she was their #1 star.

I thought it was funny seeing Kyle pretend he didn't know how to get something big into a small opening.

Hi, Peggy!

R213

Isn't Ashley Benson gay ? Like an out lesbian with Cara Delevigne ? Or am I getting my Ashleys mixed up?

Which couple will hit the sheets first, Billy and Amanda, Theo and Lola or Chance and Abby?

Traci and a Baked Ham.

R216 who really gives a shit is the question.

R203 I think Global will be correcting that as their current schedule shows a couple of Y&R reruns airing on Wednesday & Thursday.

Lauren to Traci:

"Merry Christmas, you fat whore!"

Traci to Lauren:

"Oh look, skeletons CAN talk!"

Brad to Lauren and Traci

"Happy Hanukkah, Bitches!"

Victor to Nikki:

"You old slut. Are you still around?"

Nikki to Victor:

"Fuck off, you old desiccated Slim Jim."

I was next to Tracy last night at a stall in the bathroom at the Genoa City Athletic Club.

Good lord in HEAVEN. I don't know if Tracy can even walk today based on the damage I heard!!!

Who's Tracy? Is she any relation to TRACI Abbott?

Dear God in Heaven, r223, learn to quote me properly!

I'm still dead bitches!

"Why Kay, you ARE looking worse than usual!"

Fen arrived home on today's Canada show.

R227 lol. We need another good Brendad thread again.

And a "hot Pinochle game" between Kay and Esther would be far more entertaining than Griffith's Y&R.

r213

wasn't ashley benson playing Abby?? Why would Abby's role need to increase? Abby is a big role

Okay, it was the girl who played Morgan, not Ashley Benson. Sorry.

Who was that skank?

Ah, it's Kristen Renton!

R231 I'm not R213, but I can tell you that AB exited the role of Abby in May 2007. Meanwhile, Big Ed didn't start at Days until August 2007.

Oh, pshaw. Dicking a young starlet at DAYS is nothing.

[quote]Robert Kelker Kelly's huge dong

Oh, the digusting, depraved things that I would let you do to me. 🍗🥩🥙🥪🍤🍣🍜🚊🚇🕵️‍♀️👮‍♀️🎅🧑📏🕳

We really MUST return to Y&R as a topic, but let us ponder RKK for a moment.

NuLow !!

Ratings Report for the Week December 9-13, 2019

Total Viewers

1, Y&R 3,434,000 (-245,000/-660,000) <—— new low *

2. B&B 2,923,000 (+52,000/-290,000)

3. GH 2,026,000 (-124,000/-413,000)

4. DAYS 1,872,000 (+17,000/-332,000)

And Griffith has done so much to level the demo!

Women 18-49 Viewers

1. Y&R 288,000 (-50,000/-123,000) <——— new low *

2. DAYS 274,000 (+21,000/-44,000)

3. GH 262,000 (-33,000/-109,000) <——— new low **

4. B&B 261,000 (-32,000/-74,000) <——— new low (2nd straight week) *

R237 I mentioned it on the GH thread, the ratings piss me off. While I can understand Y&R falling, since the show has been boring as shit lately, I don't understand why GH is falling, since the show has been massively improving and was much more entertaining during that rating period.

Trying to understand the ratings is a fool's errand. And to those not in the business or on the network side of things, the numbers (whatever they may be) rarely tell the full story of how a show is really doing. When I look at those numbers, I see that Y&R has about 3.5 million viewers and that doesn't take into account the delayed viewing and viewing on other platforms.

The show, creatively is in the toilet, and there is definitely viewer erosion. But, the show is still pulling in about 3.5 million viewers a day, which is decent for this current network TV climate. It's also nice that the networks are still keeping these four on the air.

Ed Scott is so grotesque. I can't fathom a pretty 20 something fucking him except to keep a job. Even then that's a stretch.

[quote]Y&R is just shedding viewers at an alarming rate.

I blame it on Trump. I was in the habit of watching Y&R a little after 5 PM eastern on cbs.com, and his impeachment fucked that up, just as he has fucked so many other aspects of American life up. I never know whether Y&R is going to be on, and the storytelling has become so much less than compelling, I don't think to look for it the way I used to.

Traci and Dina duet on "O Come All Ye Faithful" at the Abbott manse.

There's not a current storyline that would make viewers eagerly tune in.

The very image of Chrissy playing racquetball with Paul is funny. Is that code for them having a post-game hookup in the steam room?

The Stafford looked downright ghoulish talking to Chance. You'd think it was Halloween, not Christmas.

That wig they have Mishael Morgan in is downright distracting. Does it get its own screen credit?

Memo to the writers: Mariah giving advice about boys comes off exceedingly fake.

And with no real storylines could they at least give us some gratuitous shirtlessness to wake us up? .. Nate working out at the gym? Rey showing off his Christmas boxer briefs? Adam getting out of a steamy shower to take a return phone call.

That’s one thing I miss on the show is the lack of male torso and near nudity in the show. It’s become a once every three month anymore. Bill Bell always put the sex in the show with the guys stripping. There’s so many things wrong with this show I lose count nowadays.

I guess we get some shirtless JaBottom in the actual Christmas episode (Friday U.S.).

FenMo reports he relapsed and is in a halfway house.

Ho hum .. Another non-story being told off camera.

The perfect gay pron set up, though: Boys Halfway House .. lol!

Fen's Christmas gift to Michael and Lauren is a compass.

New thread (since this one is paywalled)

Michael's gift to Lauren is a strap on.

Is this thread paywalled?

Link to the new thread?

R250 There's a link two doors up from you at R248.