Impeachment Hearings: Day 5 - PT. II

David Holmes is smoking hot (even if he looks a little bit like Jeffrey Dahmer.) And no wedding ring.

Who's had him? Spill!

Omg... David Holmes.

I haven't been watching these hearings at all, but I happened to be on MSNBC when he was speaking, and I instantly got hooked!

First off, because he's handsome.

Second, because he had some DIRT on these assholes.

He was spilling the TEA on everyone! Rofl.

He was talking about how DUMP didn't give a shit about Ukraine, how he was excluded from meetings that he shouldn't have been excluded from, how Sondland met one-on-one with his Ukraine counterpart (very out of the ordinary), and how Sondland told DUMP that the rapper who got arrested in Sweden was "fucked," and that he should just "play the race card" to get out of jail.

GURRRRLLLL!!!!

This information was clearly weighing on his mind, and he couldn't WAIT to let it all out!

I love this guy!

So I noticed that David Holmes didn't have a ring on his finger.

What's the scoop??!!

Holmes is a hottie.

Top or bottom?

I wish there was more information on David.

Age? Spouse? Anything?

Does anyone know who will act as Prosecutor in the Senate Impeachment trial?

THE PRESIDENT DID IT!

Do you there’s constant awkwardness in the halls of Congress between the Democrats and Rethugs? Like how could Schiff even stand to look at some of his R colleagues, let alone utter a friendly salutation?

Gym trying to play tough. Show him Dr. Hill.

[quote]THEY'RE ON TELEVISION BEING SEEN WORLDWIDE!

They've been on TV for years.

Gym Jordan obviously hasn' t paid attention to the Roger Stone trial.

R12 give him a break. He's been busy watching wrestlers get molested.

Dr. Hill is getting ready to go ballistic on Gym Jordan.

Gym Jordan just spewing more and more lies...

[quote]They've been on TV for years.

They've been on FOX--a limited audience. These hearings are being viewed worldwide. Many people outside of the country are following us right now.

A pity that Gym was not so indignant when male athletes were being buggered at Ohio State.

Give it a rest Jim. The extortion has already been established and Trump and Mulvaney admitted it on live TV.

I’m on Schadenfreude overload!

[quote] A pity that Gym was not so indignant when male athletes were being buggered at Ohio State.

That’s because he enjoyed it.

[quote]They've been on FOX--a limited audience. These hearings are being viewed worldwide. Many people outside of the country are following us right now.

No.

There have been plenty of hearings, including the Muller hearings where they have been on TV and viewed worldwide where they certainlyd id not take this strong of a stance.

I'm so sick and tired of Republican bullshit speeches.

I love Holmes' smirks.

OP's opening photo reminds me so much of American Gothic.

Summary of today's testimony's impact: It completes the picture. It connects all the threads. Hill's statement: "He (Sondland) was being involved in a domestic political errand (to pressure Ukraine to get dirt to help Trump's election). And we were being involved in national security foreign policy, and those two things had just diverged." Repubs conclude that's ok. Dems think it raises the impeachment threshold.

Oh, Mr. Maloney swiping at Turner. Me like!

"Sorry about his (Gym's) mansplaining" he tells her. Way to go Maloney!

[quote]Oh, Mr. Maloney swiping at Turner. Me like!

I had to take a call. What did he say?

R28 he essentially said he was sorry that she had to endure Turner's mansplaining to her and that he wanted her to know someone thought it was inappropriate.

[quote]"Sorry about his (Gym's) mansplaining" he tells her. Way to go Maloney!

DRAG HAH!

Maloney got Dr Hill to testify that "it was not credible" to think Sondland didn't know tRump was extorting Ukraine vis-a-vis vital military aid being withheld.

Okay....

It's creative and I would actually buy one except the money is going to the Trump campaign. We don't do that.

I wish Val Dennings had been my Sunday school teacher.

^Demings

For five glorious minutes DL Fave David Holmes responded non-verbally to Gym Jordan's rage: "I know EXACTLY what you are."

The fix is in;

IMPEACHMENT

White House backs full Senate trial if House impeaches Trump--White House officials and Republican senators agreed the Senate should not immediately dismiss any articles of impeachment against the president.

Top White House officials and Senate Republicans agreed that a full trial should be conducted if the House impeaches President Donald Trump, according to multiple people familiar with the matter.

A group of Republican senators met Thursday morning with White House counsel Pat Cipollone, counselor to the president Kellyanne Conway and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner to discuss impeachment strategy.

I wish one of the Democrats would just spend their time ripping apart Gym Shorts, Nunes, and Turner for blatantly lying.

What a wet dream it would be for someone to laugh and say, "I just want to say that it's unbelievable that Gym Shorts can sit there and tell lie after lie as though he's trustworthy and not a lying liar who lets boys get touched."

So the House actually acts as prosecutors in the Senate impeachment trial! So maybe Schiff or Mahoney will handle the duties.

There's no way he won't be impeached by the House.

Pretty sure Val Demings is actually Mavis Staples. Her Brenda Vacarro / Suzanne Pleshette cigarette smokers voice gives her away.

Yes r38, and the Senators just sit there as the Jury.

Closing remarks, first by Nunes Cow: MOOOOOOOO!

Get ready to nap... more conspiracy babble from Nonads, delivered in his discount speech training style.

I'll be listening to Val Demings sing "I'll Take You There" while Devin whines. Yell if I miss anything.

That look on Wenstrup's face when he wasn't allowed to get away with the same cowardly bullshit as the other GOP stooges and Hill was allowed to respond, will be the picture on my HOLIDAY card attached to a Starbucks red cup.

He literally grabbed his ball (bag) to go home. You could see he was preparing to leave.

Jon Lovett @jonlovett: The disdain on Fiona Hill’s face as Jim Jordan speaks could power a city.

Rep. Jim Jordan @Jim_Jordan: It’s sad what the Democrats are putting our country through.

Colin Jones @colinjones: Witness David Holmes’ expressions while Jim Jordan interrupts and yells over him are quite something

This thread isn't loading right for me now. I rebooted my phone and logged out and in.

I wish his kids were old enough to disown this asshole.

Thanks for letting us know, R47. We wondered where you'd gone.

Is this the same list of headlines and factoids that Moo!nes read before? What is his point?

Admit it, fascinating as she is, Dr. Hill has got to be a nightmare to work with.

Haha R49, I was just wondering if it was only me having trouble.

They whine about the media constantly, but love referring to media headlines and stories.

R50, he is pointless, save to typify the Republicans.

Too bad the camera wasn't on Fiona Hill's face when Nunes said "Russia hoax".

Hopefully Swalwell has started something which will end with Nunes' destruction.

That bearded Repug staffer guy behind Moones hates himself for what his life has become.

Moones...LOL.

Clever.

This is a weak summation from Nunes and the Repubs.

Ooh Devin! So dramatic!

Let's see Nunes... a better example of Majority Tyranny?

Hm....

McTurtle and Garland.

Done.

The unmitigated gall of the Repubs complaining about the majority controlling the hearing after they wrote the rules themselves!

30 seconds in and Schiff is burning the house down!

Damn.. Schiff's

"they were SILENT..."

DAMN!

wow... Schiff. Awesome. He's proving less is more.

That better be a clip tonight.

[quote]That better be a clip tonight.

You'll NEVER see it on FOX

Both Hill and Holmes can’t help but nod in agreement as Schiff speaks.

Have we determined if Holmes is "family"?

Hill was amazing. Can we make her Secretary of State?

It's insane that Jim Jordan is part of this. He is not on the committee. He truly is bad at this. Did the GOP leadership really think "This is the guy who is going to win the argument?"

Only.... oooh... over a hundred...

It’s ironic that Hill's attorney looks like a Russian gangster.

I wish there were more witnesses.

I'm going to miss watching the Impeachment Hearings.

Who says there won't be more?

I see why Schiff was a successful prosecutor. He'll make a great Speaker when Nancy retires.

[quote]I mean I know others have pointed it out, but how fucking dumb can Republicans at home be?

They elected Donald Trump, Gym Jordan and Devin Nunes, what more do you need to know?

They’re off next week, correct? But after that, who knows...?

There aren't anymore witnesses r73.

The White House has blocked all the other important ones; either that, or they are waiting on a court hearing that won't even be heard until almost mid-December.

The Democrats aren't going to wait that long.

I'm laughing at Cow invoking James Madison in his closing remarks. Some Poli Sci 101 he got from Wikipedia.

Schiff is going on too long.

I wish Bolton would come in. He could change history.

Did wenstrup flounce out?? Dang I missed it!

And Nunes didn't r79?

Yeah, we’re ready for Deadline White House now.

Yes, what Trump has done is MUCH worse than Nixon.

Heh, heh - “no quid pro quo” = the “I am not a crook” defense

I love Schiff but he, like other Democrats, need to learn, if you're trying to reach Rethugs, you can't use big words.

Just repeat over and over:

Drumpf lied. Drumpf got caught. Drumpf committed a crime. Drumpf is secretly besties with Hillary.

Schiff cracks me up "No Quid Pro Quo" is the new "I am not a crook".

Giuliani accuses ‘Schifty’ Schiff of interfering in 2020 election

Rudy Giuliani attacked Rep. Adam Schiff on Thursday, accusing him and others of “interfering” in the 2020 presidential election.

“THE BIDEN DOCTRINE,” Giuliani tweeted ahead of the House Intelligence Committee’s final public hearing in the impeachment inquiry before the Thanksgiving break.

“@realDonaldTrump is a candidate for President,” Trump’s personal lawyer continued. “Schifty’s Committee and any other prosecutors are deliberately interfering in the 2020 election and must stop now.”

Schiff is the chair of the Intelligence Committee.

On Wednesday, US Ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland alleged in testimony that Giuliani orchestrated a quid pro quo with Ukranian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

“Mr. Giuliani’s requests were a quid pro quo for arranging a White House visit for President Zelensky. Mr. Giuliani demanded that Ukraine make a public statement announcing the investigations of … Burisma,” Sondland testified, referring to the Ukraine energy company where Joe Biden’s son, Hunter, was a board member.

Next the Judiciary committee, and the Articles being drawn up.

Oh look at Stefanik lingering behind asking Gym if she can suck his dick or at least find some wrestlers for him.

WE ARE BETTER THAN THAT!

r80 I think Bolton has indicated he will testify.

Schiff is awesome and fuck deplorables if they can’t understand words a 12 year old could understand. I’m tired of this DUMBING DOWN of everything for a bunch of racist a-holes. Let them go watch their Faux News tonic. No big words to scare them over there!

No, next is the Judiciary INVESTIGATION.

I wonder if the Republicans are going to replace Collins as ranking member?

Jordan AND Gaetz are on Judiciary.

What will Captain Kangaroo do?

r69: An easy google shows David Holmes married to an another foreign service officer named Stephanie Holmes and they have two kids. She is also stationed in Kyiv. I thought he looked gay too (he even looks like he has a little facial wasting which adds to the effect, but I guess that's just his face.) I love his smirk too. His big ears keep him from being too good looking, which is kinda cute. BTW, he's 45. (I have too much time on my hands--I google everyone. Fiona Hill is also married--to a man.)

r95, I googled and nothing came up for me, as well.

Some people are harder to google because of the algorithm.

And thank you for the 411.

He has the gayest most perfect haircut.

Nicolle Wallace- “Fiona Hill was like a warm knife cutting through cold butter” 🤣

[quote]Hopefully Swalwell has started something which will end with Nunes' destruction.

Fiona Hill is a ROCK STAR.

Don’t forget RATcliffe and Gohmert R94.

The Dems have Eric Swalwell, Val Demings and Ted Lieu.

[quote]You'll NEVER see it on FOX

Oh, honey. It's "War on Christmas" season. They have no time for frivolity like a corrupt president. They got red cups and "Happy Holidays" greeting to go off about.

R95 any info on how big is dick is? Asking for a friend.

From what I see at the gym (usually 9 to 11 pm) Fox is hounding hard on the Biden stuff. They can't fight the facts, so they retreat to conspiracy.

[quote]I wish Bolton would come in. He could change history.

He has always been an evil, self-serving, steaming pile of shit. Another draft dodger. He had no business ever being in govt. He's a chicken-hawk and warmongering vermin.

I will celebrate his death long before Trump's. He isn't capable of doing anything in the interests of this country. Neocon filth.

R104 types from Iran?

R105, STFU. Are you really going to sit there and normalize John fucking Bolton? You're such an idiot.

R105 that's a off-base comment. R104 is correct in that Bolton is a new-con by every definition. Strangely, it can be slightly better than be a Trumpist. We're fucked!

^^^sorry. Too many typos but you get it.

R106 and R107 Bolton's hawk-like status may bother many, and I am not saying that he should be advising Presidents, but his core idea of Iran and, especially, NK being enemies is true imo.

He probably won't take it but he does have an opportunity to talk and do the right thing.

Swalwell gave The Cow a hidin' today. Calling him corrupt to his face was so baller and then LOOKING OVER AT HIM. The Other Moo turned beet red as everyone stared daggers at them. Too bad there aren't more days of this inquiry, the Republicunts are digging their own graves with every word, and the younger Democrats punching them into the corner forcing them to play (shitty) defense. Democrats have to be this level of vicious and relentless if they're going to put these fucks into the ground once and for all. Schiff going off every night at closing is what EVERY Democrat should be doing on every appearance. Bring the heat!

R77, I believe the decision in the McGann suit is coming down on Monday so that could clear the way for WH appointees to be legally forced to appear upon subpoena.

If Nunes and maybe another puke goes down for Russian COLLUSION before the Senate vote and in light of the Democratic wins in Louisiana and Kentucky despite Dump stumping for the puke candidates, don't you think the Senate pukes will be forced to take this seriously?

McGann is a better witness for the Judiciary Committee.

Page didn't show up for me R98, but I may not have liked Swalwell as a Presidential candidate, but I sure do love him as a Congressman and I'm so grateful for him. To me, he was the MVP.

R109 Bolton's willingness to identify dictators as enemies is why I said he's slightly better than Trumpists who coddle them. So I guess I'll meet you half way. 😝

^^^ should be signed R107. I'm fucking up bad today. 12 hrs straight looking at a screen. Mea culpa

[quote]Bolton's hawk-like status may bother many, and I am not saying that he should be advising Presidents, but his core idea of Iran and, especially, NK being enemies is true imo.

No it isn't to anyone who isn't a neocon themselves. He's looking for war with Iran solely because he's a rabid Zionist. Stop pretending Iran has ever declared war on us. They haven't started any fucking wars. You can take issue with their domestic policies and I hope their people overthrow their govt, but this attempt to get yet another war based on lies to further the interests of Saudi Arabia and Israel is fucking bullshit to anyone who can't see who created ISIS and AL Qaeda in the first place.

This admin has tried every attempt to claim Iran did this and/or that and no one outside of those with a vested interest in creating more enemies on behalf of special interest is buying it. Iran is not some threat to the US - it just isn't. That's a lie just like the lies about Iraq.

You go die in another war based on lies, you lazy, fucking neocon couch potato.

[quote] I believe the decision in the McGann suit is coming down on Monday so that could clear the way for WH appointees to be legally forced to appear upon subpoena.

The name is spelled McGahn. Yes, if that decision comes out the way I hope it will, Bolton might feel OK about agreeing to testify. Say what you will about him (and I have, for years), but he's capable of influencing GOP Senators to support conviction in an impeachment trial. Sort of like what Barry Goldwater did during Watergate to get rid of Nixon.

McConnell has already said he will convene the Senate if the House votes yes on impeachment, which, given the big Dem majority, is gonna happen. Chief Justice Roberts will chair the proceedings as per the Constitution, which is why I think McConnell is forced to comply. Very unlikely Thugs will vote yes unfortunately but on balance, more and more potential D voters will have been exposed to actual facts about Agent Orange and will vote the swamp creature and his cronies out next year.

NUnes once again bringing up nude photos of Trump, god he so wants him. Love Dr. Hill, rockstar for sure.

Gloria Berger on CNN: Fiona Hill "took a meat axe to Republican conspiracy theories".

CNN is replaying Dr. Hill's testimony where she directly accuses some members of the committee of engaging in harmful conspiracy theories.

Wolf Blitzer says Fiona Hill "shattered" GOP conspiracy talking points.

R90, now you and I both know that she offers nothing to get Gym's little, gray, lifeless gherkin hard. Ripped wrestlers are a sure bet though!! At hideous of human being as Gym clearly is - the man apparently has great taste in muscular college boys. Shame that he watched and allowed them to get molested up one side and down the other..

While he hid behind the lockers and jerked off

[quote]Wolf Blitzer says Fiona Hill "shattered" GOP conspiracy talking points.

Meaningless. GOP will just say that it never happened and that is that.

Ronna McDaniel @GOPChairwoman: “No conspiracy, no coordination, no collusion.” – @Jim_Jordan (58 min ago)

GOP @GOP: Despite Democrats poll testing their impeachment messaging and giving Adam Schiff a throne to push impeachment for two weeks, their efforts are backfiring. (48 min ago)

Sadly, I’m afraid few minds were changed, even though they certainly should have been! I do think the hearings contributed to general disgust for a Trump, so it may help with the election.

[quote] his core idea of Iran and, especially, NK being enemies is true imo.

Except the part where he wants to bomb Iran.

Devin Nunes' closing statement:

Guys, I'm super serious. This isn't even fair. Like, we're like really mad. LIARS! Shut up! I yield.

Gym Jordan said that very same thing to all the wrestlers who told him they'd been molested.

'Devil' Nunes.

Smart alec naughty boy and DL delightful dish Eric Swalwell tells 'Meet The Press' he has seen enough:

“If the president is going to block Secretaries Pompeo and Perry and Mick Mulvaney and John Bolton from coming forward, we think we already have powerful evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors,”

Son is done. Bossy bottoms will boss.

Hi R124 - this Is datalounge.com. You made a typo. I think you're looking for Breitbart.com.

You're welcome!

Hurd getting DRAGGED on twitter for being moderate yet saying today he didn't think Trump's conduct is impeachable. He's not running again but at least he'll end in disgrace and his seat will likely flip to a Democrat next year

Nunes looked down the whole time Swalwell was exposing him

How do you know Moo Cow Nunes isn't running again?

I was watching Nicolle who was all goo goo over Fiona. She was laughing and said she make a way better SoS than Pompeo, then she said or a better President...everyone laughed. I love her.

R134 Hurd isn't running again.

What's next? Was that it for the hearings?

Fuck Hurd. Fuck him hurd err...hard!

R136 unless 1 of the big names (Pence, Bolton, Mulvaney, Pompeo, Giuliani) comes forward to testify, today was our last hearing

I wish I knew what independents thought about this and whether any of them flipped.

I hate that Devin Nunes is a rethug idiot, I think he's such a hot daddy type. 😔

NYT:

Fiona Hill Testifies ‘Fictions’ on Ukraine Pushed by Trump Help Russia

[quote] An easy google shows David Holmes married to an another foreign service officer named Stephanie Holmes and they have two kids.

Oh, no! 😱 Say it’s not true. I really wanted to mess around with him and tousle that perfectly coiffed hair.

Smart, handsome, and all the snark and eye-rolls.

Damn.

Does anybody where one can see a clip of Swalwell raking Nunes over the coals? That would make for some lovely after-work viewing.

What did Swalwell doubt Nunes?

[quote]I wish I knew what independents thought about this and whether any of them flipped.

There is no such thing as an independent in the case of Trump. You're either an unethical moron with zero concern for the very foundation of this country or not.

What's coming from CNN:

Privately, Democrats are anticipating a busy December that will be filed with proceedings before the House Judiciary Committee, including public hearings and a markup, and a likely vote to impeach Trump on the House floor by Christmas Day, according to multiple Democratic sources, which would make him just the third President in history to be impeached.

The House Intelligence Committee, along with two other panels, are writing a report detailing their findings, which is expected to serve as the basis for articles of impeachment that the House Judiciary Committee will consider.

Democrats say they are still debating the size and scope of the articles, which are likely to focus on abuse of power, obstruction of justice, obstruction of Congress and bribery.

But despite speaking with 17 witnesses behind closed doors, including 12 witnesses in just a week of public testimony, Democrats have not obtained crucial documents or spoken with several key officials because the White House and State Department have refused to comply with subpoenas.

[quote]Hopefully Swalwell has started something which will end with Nunes' destruction.

I am loving Dr. Hill but she does look like Zelda from Pet Sematary.

It's over, folks. They won. Again.

Clearly, they were using code words to hide what they were doing ("Burisma" "Hocus Pocus" "That Thing You Do" etc. With the 'escape route' of saying they were "routing out corruption" if they were ever caught.

Vocabulary-challenged Trump doesn't even know what 'quid pro quo' means. But they instructed him to say it- just in case ("I want nothing" hunh?).

Bolton, Mulvaney, Pompeo... will not cooperate. The Republican-coached witnesses were careful to never say, "Donald J. Trump deliberately tried to twist the arm of the President of the Ukraine to crush his rival for POTUS".

Tweety escapes again.

The only thing we can hope for is come election time, the fence-sitters will think that the impeachment stuff from a year ago is egregious enough to choose the other guy.

Haha R148.

Holmes recoiled, when he found out that he had to sit next to Miss Hill.

*swoon*

What a handsome man.

I'll bet that he's fit as FUCK, under that suit.

R149 must be a parody from The Onion.

That's right, bitches.

I'm a STAH!

Call me, baby!

Thank you for your sharing, r148.....

Exactly!!! I was thinking the same thing R152.

"Shame that he watched and allowed them to get molested up one side and down the other"

The Doc probably paid Gym off to look the other way.

[quote]The only thing we can hope for is come election time, the fence-sitters will think that the impeachment stuff from a year ago is egregious enough to choose the other guy.

Don't count on it.

Trump has to be the Antichrist or sold his soul to the devil. How can anyone be so lucky as that fat fuck seems to be?

I’m catching up on the afternoon testimony land I don’t know why Nunes is even bothering. Every question he asked they are unaware of. Just yield your time to the counsel because he looks like an idiot.

r159 One poll means nothing.

R149, we also want people to choose to vote out the senate that let him get away with it.

Washington Post:

Impeachment hearings live updates: Hill said she told Sondland that his efforts in Ukraine would ‘blow up’

[quote]One poll means nothing.

"...the second major poll to produce those findings this week."

[quote] How can anyone be so lucky as that fat fuck seems to be?

His luck, or his health, will run out soon enough. He looks like he's in awful shape.

Ask Hillary about definitive polls, R165

[quote]One poll means nothing.

It's not just one poll. Read the article.

Furthermore: Nate Silver gives Emerson an A- based on the historical accuracy. It's one of the highest rated polls.

According to Nate Silver's averages, support for impeachment among independents has been in steady decline since Nov. 12th.

*based on historical accuracy.

My R168, you're a very busy little beaver, aren't you?

R170 What's your problem?

R165, the "second major poll" might be Gallop, which is not famous for reliability.

r156, I came into this thread to post that Hill looks like Zelda from Pet Sematary too. Why is it shallow? The physical appearance of every single person appearing in this hearing has come under DL scrutiny; is it only "shallow" because it's critical of an ally?

A poll really shouldn't account for anything involving a violation of the law, it's not America's Got Talent. It's the duty of Congress to proceed with impeachment if the President violated his office.

[quote]the "second major poll" might be Gallop, which is not famous for reliability.

YouGov. Nate Silver rating: B-

Exactly r174, and in the days before endless polling and reality TV, that's the way it was done.

r149 is a classic concern troll.

Their first line was a dead giveaway.

Dr. Hill is the smartest in the room and I’m very attracted to her.

Exactly what R174 said.

Breaking the law is breaking the law. Polls mean nothing. If people with no moral compass vote for him, then this country deserves to go down.

[quote]Their first line was a dead giveaway.

More like it was a dead giveaway that it was just a straight out troll, rather than the concern flora.

Kristen Scott Thomas will play her in the movie.

[quote]Dr. Hill is the smartest in the room and I’m very attracted to her.

She needs to do something with her hair. It looks so drab.

[quote]A poll really shouldn't account for anything

Why did it count when polling showed increasing support for impeachment? It was all over the news.

Certainly, without a doubt "It's the duty of Congress to proceed with impeachment if the President violated his office."

But like it or not, support among the public does have it's importance.

R183

The latest polls:

Independents not supporting impeaching Trump as much is not going to stop the House from doing their duty and impeaching him anyway.

The Senate, where I doubt he's going to come anywhere close to being convicted or removed, might be another story.

Polls for impeaching Clinton 21 years ago were strongly against the Republicans doing it; by a very large majority.

The Republicans did it anyway.

Why would the Democrats be any different this year?

The numbers to look at are the "independents".

Trump's going to be impeached; I think everybody just better get used to that idea, because it's going to happen.

He won't be convicted or removed in the Senate, but hopefully we will remove him through the ballot box next November.

The accurate polls are exit polls. The Poll Troll should be EJECTED INTO SPACE.

I've been an adult and registered voter since 1999 and I have lived in three different states since then. I have never once been politically polled about anything. I do not know a single person who has ever been politically polled about anything ever. How many people in this thread have been politically polled EVER? These "polls" are complete fucking bullshit fantasyland garbage.

"Independent" support will increase as the case winds up leading to the impeachment vote. There is so much damning evidence against this POtuS*. His taxes will add more fuel for the fire. Americans don't like rich people cheating on their taxes, see Leona Helmsley.

[quote]"Independent" support will increase as the case winds up leading to the impeachment vote. There is so much damning evidence against this POtuS*.

There has been so much damning evidence for years now.

r190, I've actually been politically polled over the phone; more than once.

Can we stop with the "independent" crap? I'm personally not registered with any party. My first vote ever was for a Republican. I've voted Dem/Rep and IND,

As I said in an earlier post, this is not a case of being "independent." You either believe in the rule of law or you don't. Period. There is no two sides to this. He is a corrupt pos and if you can't see it, you're an amoral asshole.

R182, it’s age appropriate and it’s not a bowl cut at least

Are you the fix her hair troll that wants to redo the black reps. wigs?

The problem with the Senate being in charge of the next phase of impeachment is, first of all, it won't be run by Adam Schiff and two, the Senate will turn into what Trump wants...to put Biden and Ukraine on trial. They will undo everything that just happened.

So I acknowledge now you all will kill me for this.

The guy deserves to be impeached and removed. The evidence supports it. But he won't. In part because too many of us bleated so long and loud and early about impeachment that it is seen by too many as crying wolf.

Maloney is on msnbc right now

God, Cuomo talks a lot.

R190, you are totally onto something here with the polls. I have lived in 6 different states (the nature of my job before i resigned and started my small business and stayed put for once) and have never been polled in my life. That said, some of my embarrassing GOP family members (dad, grandmother, etc.) have been polled in Florida but on a LANDLINE. None of us under about 65 yoa or so owns a landline (or has since 2002 or so). I worry about the range of age groups represented (despite the statistics reported).

🎼Put the blame on Ukraine, Boys! Put the blame on Ukraine! 🎶

I'm not so sure, R196. The House managers will act as the prosecutors, the Chief Justice, who's not known as a Trump toady, will be the presiding officer. Don't know what role the Senate majority, as members of the jury, will play. They have the raw numbers to win some key procedural motions, although there's probably enough, with Romney, Collins & Murkowski, to defeat the more extreme ones. As the defendant, Trump will be able to put on his defense.

There will be a team of House Reps who present the case to the Senate. I would expect Rep. Adam Schiff to take the lead. The opposition will have their own team for defense. Justice Roberts will preside.

I don’t know if McConnall has any input to the hearing, unless he’s on the defense team.

What happens next?

".... too many of us bleated so long and loud and early about impeachment that it is seen by too many as crying wolf."

Still, if Hillary did even one fraction of what Trump has done they'd lead her out of the White House in handcuffs. Have you any doubt the Republicans planned to impeach her- even if took four years?

It's just Republican talking points that poor Donnie was being pursued by hordes carrying torches. He's been making serious mistakes since Day 1.

I now believe that Trump was not aware that his kids and minions conspired with Russians. That he just told them to do whatever it took to make him POTUS (and that's what it took). But he certainly knew afterwards- it happened in Trump Tower! Isn't that some kind of crime: "I knew afterwards that my people had conspired with Russians but I never said a word and ran for POTUS anyway"? Couldn't Mueller have even discovered that?

Trump said on national TV “Russia, if you’re listening, ...provide dirt on Hillary...you’ll be rewarded mightily...by the Press.”

Guilty!

Then, only days after the Mueller Report was issued, he does it again, this time in private and with Ukraine.

Guilty!

Personally, I think he should be charged simply for telling ~15,000 lies to the Public.

Guilty!

I’ll be very curious to see if the Chief Justice allows the Repukes to call the whistleblower or Hunter Biden or the chief prosecutor, Schiff, in order to delve into their ridiculous made-up allegations. No federal judge in a regular criminal trial would allow a defendant to bring in such extraneous nonsense. But this isn’t a criminal trial and the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure or Civil Procedure don’t necessarily apply.

I hope that by then Roberts has told these people (like Bolton) that a Congressional subpoena IS legal and he needs to comply or get tossed into jail.

Once that happens, the shit will explode on the repugs.

Watch them all pretend to be "victims" of fat Donnie's lies.

Hi, I'm Steve Castor and I suffer from Knitted Brow Syndrome. Please give to the KBS Foundation. Remember. You keep making that face and it'll stay that way.

Castor always looks like he's either severely constipated or suffering from unbearable hemorrhoids.

In that picture he looks like he really wants to cry and/or call his mommy. He's not a happy camper.

This clip shows Nunes exchange a worried look with Steve Castor. It’s priceless.

Between now and the time this plays out in the Senate, further “Trump Dumps” (of Info) could play out:

1) Tax Returns (and evidence of malfeasance)

2) IRS whistleblower info (what’s the status of this?)

3) Redacted Mueller info

4) Leakers involved with The Kushner-MBS-Khasogghi-Edrogan-Trump-Syria connection

5) Epstein-Barr Syndrome (admittedly a wild card for the Trump admin and his history of female sexual assaults)

6) Deutsche Bank-SCOTUS Kennedy’s sudden retirement and his son’s connection at said bank with Trump

If ANY of these pop in addition to the unfolding of the Ukraine story, this could add pressure onto an already weary public. THIS then could be problematic for Repub Senators.

I’m hoping journalists and public servants can assist in navigating The States’ Democracy through Trump’s treacherous waters....(i.e. if ANYONE has evidence of Trump’s massive corruption....NOW is the time to let it loose....)

I would live to see it surface that Kennedy retired to protect his son from whatever the Rethugs were threatening them with.

Clarence Thomas will retire in 2020.

170-yr. old Ruth Bader Ginsburg is the only thing preventing a theocracy.

LOL at describing Ruth Bader Ginsburg as 170 R214. She is, in truth, so young

Lol at R190.

I thought everyone loved the POLL TROLL?

You're the first person that I've ever seen be openly hostile towards the PT. haha

R216 I love Poll Troll. I find him excellent and very switched on re this stuff.

[quote]The problem with the Senate being in charge of the next phase of impeachment is

The Senate is NOT in charge of the next phase of the Impeachment Inquiry.

Two other Committees are charged with the investigation; Oversight and Judiciary.

My feeling is that Intel concluded its part of the Impeachment Investigation with Schiff's brilliant summation. I would not be surprised if Oversight BEGAN its PUBLIC testimony soon followed by the Judiciary INVESTIGATION and the Judiciary writing the Articles of Impeachment which will be forwarded to the House for a full vote.

The only things that are remarkable about the process is 1] the refusal of the Barr DoJ to do the preliminary investigation, 2] that Trump committed enough crimes to be impeached in his FIRST term with 3] a Republican Senate.

Just some things to ponder.

I love Poll Troll, I love FCI and I love that Dr Hill looks like a Slytherin by the Snape haircut, but is actually a Ravenclaw...

[quote]I hope that by then Roberts has told these people (like Bolton) that a Congressional subpoena IS legal and he needs to comply or get tossed into jail.

I do chuckle at these people claiming to never have been polled or know anyone who's been polled. As if that's indicative of anything. How did the random sample ever cope without you?

[italic]And worse[/italic] I have been polled - on my old land line [italic]and[/italic] my cell!

[quote]I hope that by then Roberts has told these people (like Bolton) that a Congressional subpoena IS legal and he needs to comply or get tossed into jail.

This is a story: how do experts (who know his record) believe Roberts would respond to that question? Might send an early chill.

Can any of you on Twitter tweet at journalists?

R208, I think, and hope you're on to something about CJ Roberts persuading his fellow Justices to rule that Bolton and others defying Congressional subpoenas must comply with them.

I'm operating on the premise that CJ Roberts, right now contemplating having to preside at a Senate trial, would prefer dying in a freak accident or a grease fire rather than do so.

A ruling that Bolton and the others defying subpoenas must comply with them, and doing so in Congress, before a committee, obviously would spare him from possibly having to rule on admitting his testimonial evidence during trial and all its attendant clusterfuck of arguments that he'd have to rule on. I write this with the knowledge that, of course, a lot will depend on McConnell's marching orders, but still.

I loathe the ideology of Roberts. I have no respect for him on a personal basis because I believe he's closeted and lacks the courage to come out.

BUT, I do believe that he truly believes, on principle, that respect and compliance with the decisions of the USSC depend on it being perceived as somewhat detached from politics. ( which, of course, it isn't but we all need our delusions). I agree with others who believe it was with that in mind that he ruled with the Obama Administration on Obamacare, much to the outrage of conservatives.

And I believe CJ Roberts loathes Trump and holds him in no regard. Roberts publicly rebuked him. In fact, I'm sure he'd love to recuse himself from presiding and cite fairness to Trump because of his bias against him.

I have no doubt Trump and his lawyers would have no hesitation in demanding that Roberts recuse himself if they thought it would be in Trump' interest, US Constitution be damned.

[quote]I have no respect for him on a personal basis because I believe he's closeted and lacks the courage to come out.

Where do you get that?

Here, r223, when Roberts name was put into nomination as US Justice.

And a DLer posted a pic of Roberts with his friends that cancelled my Strai-dar.

Here?

[quote]And a DLer posted a pic of Roberts with his friends that cancelled my Strai-dar.

Look I'm no Roberts fan and a moderate fan of you for the most part, so I expected better substance than that from you.

The photo below has a lot to do with that speculation. The fact that he waited until into his 40's to marry fuels it. The fact that his children are adopted compounds it.

Ooooooooo K.

Whoever W&W'd my 228, thank you. Sometimes I feel quite lonely on here, as if the logical and reasonable are few and far between. Speculation is great, if the basis for it doesn't make your face screw up when you've read it like your face screws up when you smell a fart on the subway.

John Berman went nuts on CNN a couple minutes ago because Bolton just tweeted: Happy to be back on Twitter... stayed tuned.

Berman - without saying it exactly - told him to fuck himself, on the basis that this is important and he may or may not have material information to help resolve it and it was on him to do the right thing and either man up and speak or shut up and stop playing the games. It was kind of extraordinary... Berman was really lashing out on principle. It was cool.

[quote]And I believe CJ Roberts loathes Trump and holds him in no regard. Roberts publicly rebuked him.

This is true, but it's also true of many Republican lawmakers who act as staunch Trump defenders in public. They despise the man. But they toe the corporate line all the same. Here's hoping Roberts has bigger balls.

That's the pic, r227.

r228, Fair enough. I'll cop to a lack of substance, in some instances

My Strai-dar, however, is formidable; a force to be reckoned with. And that pic at r227 drops the mic on it.

Isn't a typical random poll just 1000+ interviewees? I don't think it is that surprising that most will never get polled.

Btw, I get polled all the time. But not political polls, just random shit like what TV programmes I watch or if I still read newspapers or magazines. I usually decline, but my number is definitely on a list.

Rachel Dratch would make a great SNL version of Fiona Hill.

Who's shocked that Miss Lindsay is now opening an investigation into Joe and Hunter Biden in the Senate?

Ooops, my post at r232 was meant for r226.

Della, over the years I've contemplated that pic at r227 as well, and come to the conclusion that the sexual orientation of the subjects depends on exactly one thing: What's on the plate?

1. If it is 2 steaks (and the presence of lobsters bolsters 'Surf and Turf' theme) it's merely a photo of yuppie, late 1980s, proto-metrosexual men exhibiting standard, culturally proscribed "look at me and my big meat" behavior. Photo probably taken by a wife or girlfriend ooh-ing and ahh-ing at their "hunting" prowess.

2. If it's two apple turnovers...you're right.

Ain’t that a quiche?

[quote]My Strai-dar, however, is formidable; a force to be reckoned with.

I once had a friend tell me she knew I was gay because she had a great sense of it and there was no sexual tension between us.

No mention of the fact she was built like a pipe organ and had Roseanne Roseannadanna's hair. But, no doubt, Della, your mystic power trumps all.

lol, r237 and r238.

r239, I'm a Gold-Star Penis Loving Heterosexual Female. To quote Bette Midler in "Outrageous Fortune", "..and we're way into double digits", I know men who are attracted exclusively to having sex with women like I know the back of my eyelids.

They have unmistakable tells, both verbal, and moreso, involuntary non-verbal, just as any human being, be they straight, gay, bi, furry, animal, mineral or vegetable, does.

Note I didn't say I have Gaydar. I have Strai-dar; and yes, it has mystic power.

On MNBC this morning, Michael Steele said that nothing was going to happen to Trump, Giuliani et al. It would be business as usual after Trump is acquitted. He said it with a resignation that I'm seeing in other commentators as well. Also, polling is showing less enthusiasm for impeachment this week...how the fuck does that happen after all the compelling testimonies over the last two weeks. I just don't know what the fuck is going on anymore. That fat fucker in the WH is going to be more arrogant and dangerous after this.

Also, John Bolton went back on Twitter this morning with this shitty comment, "Glad to be back on Twitter after more than two months. For the backstory, stay tuned........" and is being roasted for being a coward, with a lot of people pleading for him to testify. Meanwhile "#BoycottBoltonsBook" is trending.

R241, there are no perfect answers in this imperfect world. Whether we get the exact outcome we want, or not, it is undeniable that Trump and the GOP are having a miserable time of this. And it will all be recorded in the history books.

That may be all we get out of it, except that this will stand as a deterrent to other people who follow Trump into office. It will also stand as an example to other federal workers who follow Marie Yavonovitch and Fiona Hill.

[quote]Meanwhile "#BoycottBoltonsBook" is trending.

This is a good thing because I believe that is all what Bolton is doing is just holding out for money. It's the typical Republican thinking. But, if the public makes it well known that there will be no interest in this book, it is possible that Bolton will quickly change his mind. However, there are more than enough moneyed Republicans who would just but $100K worth of the books to give an image of interest--a la Donald Trump Jr's book.

I was hoping that more would have been made of Devin Nunes' shady connection to Lev Parnas.

[quote]And it will all be recorded in the history books.

And, with all due respect, R242... who gives a shit about history? I've become so tired of these lines; "You're on the wrong side of history;" "History will not remember you well; " etc. So what? Do we remember those who voted to uphold slavery? The SCOTUS regarding Dred Scott, on and on... What consequences are they suffering? I betcha many of their own descendants have no idea of who they are and that they're even descended from them.

History isn't important. It's the now that is.

R245 miss the good in his search for the perfect.

It's not going to be perfect.

[quote] Do we remember those who voted to uphold slavery?

You must've been asleep the last couple of years as people want statues taken down and history to truly reflect who central figures *actually* were rather than the glorified version of those people.

[quote]You must've been asleep the last couple of years as people want statues taken down and history to truly reflect who central figures *actually* were rather than the glorified version of those people.

Nope. I haven't been asleep. That's just people correcting those that tried to re-write history. But, you have only underscored my point. How many people REALLY knew who those people were other than they were Civil War personalities? My point; Very few historical figures hold any generational longevity.

And BTW, history is now easily accessible. Video of these people destroying any credibility they ever had, has been been recorded and will beSEEN IN THEIR OWN WORDS for future generations. The families of these people will have the stigma of being related to some of the most repulsive people in history. One quick search of their relative having done something despicable.

You think David Nunes grandkids won't hear at any point what a despicable moron he was?

But it wasn’t soon enough to help the people who actually lived through it, is the point, R248.

Do you think Harriet Tubman gives a shit that some Confederate general statue is taken down? She ded.

[quote]The families of these people will have the stigma of being related to some of the most repulsive people in history.

And, the stigma of the Johnson descendants? Oh! Common last name.

What about the stigma of the Nixon family? Oh! Different last names

How about the Clintons? Chelsea seems to be doing fine

Tell me about the stigma that the Hitler descendants face. He had brothers & sisters.

On and on.

My point, again; Very few historical figures hold any generational longevity.

[quote]Tell me about the stigma that the Hitler descendants face. He had brothers & sisters.

Find me a single family member who still uses the name "Hitler" Are you so desperate to look right that you just ignore that the family name no longer exists?

And perhaps you haven't noticed there's an entire cottage industry based on hating the Clintons and it's been going on for almost 30 years and I doubt it'll stop. It will always exist.

You cannot compare the history of the past to the history being created now specifically because of technology. It will be far worse for those today. Far worse. The accessibility and VIDEO of the very family members will always be out there.

[quote]Find me a single family member who still uses the name "Hitler"

R253, did you even read your own link?

They admit the stigma with the name. They have to be insulated in small towns to even exist. Many hide the name because they don't want prank calls.

Okay, let's end this right here, R254. There are many of us that have to work--or, trying to...

The historical significance of these people is something that is important to you. For many people, only very few historical figures hold any importance and/or relevance.

R255, the name Joseph McCarthy comes to mind. His name and the stigma attached to it have not gone away.

Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo has a posting about Schiff et al. pressing on to articles of impeachment post haste, necessitating Roberts to compel testimony from Mulvaney, Bolton, Giuliani, etc. during the Senate trial.

I was polled a couple of weeks ago R190. Of course I’m middle aged and have two landlines.

It's not that Holmes is particularly handsome; IMO, it is more that he has a very knowing and confident gaze. (See: r4)

Reuters:

Trump predicts report on origins of Russia probe will be 'historic'

R32, I like the way Trump and his ignoramuses mock the size of Schiff's neck, when Trump must wear the collar size "Hog Trough".

CBS:

Trump claims Marie Yovanovitch refused to hang his portrait in embassy in Ukraine

Remember all the way to yesterday when Republicans chastised Fiona Hill for daring to suggest that some of them believed the conspiracy theory that Ukraine framed Russia for meddling in the U.S. election?

Trump pushed that very theory in a phone call with Fox & Friends this morning.

^

"This ambassador that everybody says was so wonderful, she wouldn't hang my picture in the embassy," Mr. Trump told "Fox and Friends" in an interview. "She wouldn't hang it."

The president said he had heard "bad things" about Yovanovitch, who was appointed by President Obama in 2016, and claimed she was disliked by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who was elected in May.

"This was not an angel, this woman, OK?" Mr. Trump said. "There were a lot of things that she did that I didn't like."

Mr. Trump and Zelensky discussed Yovanovitch during the July 25 phone call that launched House Democrats' impeachment inquiry into the president. During the call, Mr. Trump called Yovanovitch "bad news."

Why would an anti-corruption advocate want to have to stare at the face of corruption all day - and a heinous one at that?

That's like vegan having to stare at a picture of a butcher

[quote]The president said he had heard "bad things"

Like clockwork - the lies. You heard nothing, you verbally-limited moron. Just like Al Baghdadi died crying. Lies, lies, lies.

Lying sack of shit.

If she wouldn't hang that bastard's picture, then she needs to given the Congressional Gold Medal and the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

And notice he never tells ANYONE these "bad things." This asshole who can't wait to talk shit never goes into detail about these "bad things." EVER.

Fucking simpleton.

Trump is acting like this is all over now and he's won.

Does he realize that he's still very likely to get IMPEACHED?

[quote]Does he realize that he's still very likely to get IMPEACHED?

He'll wear his impeachment as a badge of honor, and his deplorables will love it.

And he thinks admitting to being this petty and ego-driven, that her not wanting to hang his portrait in her office -- for whatever reasons and if it's even true, is perfectly good grounds for firing her and slandering her character and professional reputation. The complete lack of self-awareness and refusal to accept that worship of him is not a job qualification is so revolting. And everyone who supports him is of the same mindset as he is. They believe they should all be kowtowed to and able to bully and demean and allow to be slaughtered anyone who won't fellate them on demand.

r269, then they are even more stupid than I thought they were.

And that's saying something.

Impeachment is a punishment. A permanent punishment. One you can't just wash away or take off. It will follow him for the rest of his days and beyond.

r270, Trump has a hard time accepting and believing that he's not a King.

The ego on this man is lengendary.

[quote] tRump said he had heard "bad things" about Yovanovitch, who was appointed by President Obama in 2016, and [bold] claimed she was disliked by Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, who was elected in May. [/bold]

Perhaps I missed it, but I was hoping that someone would have asked about this. Zelensky never said a word one way or the other about the ambassador during the July 25 phone call. It was tRump who claimed that she was “bad news.” Were there any other reports of how Zelensky viewed the ambassador?

I despise Cheatolini so much.

If he heard all these bad things about her, why didn't he just tell one of his minions he wanted someone else? Why did he and his asshole amigos have to smear that woman's reputation? Why didnt his Fox friends simply asked him why he did not recall her immediately? He had the authority. Why this smear campaign for months? Did they ask him that? And he still can't stop....

This man is a total disgrace.

R271, we're talking about people who threw away Keurigs, burned Nike clothing and boycott Starbucks to "own the libs." They're idiots.

I only wish the Dems could adopt a platform that made it illegal to punch yourself in the face. Seriously.

[quote]Impeachment is a punishment. A permanent punishment.

Not if it's positioned as being political and partisan. If Republicans can build the story that Democrats targeted Trump simply because he was disliked (what Republicans did to Clinton) then it might roll off of Trump's back like it did for Clinton. In my opinion, Democrats simply don't know how to fight back against Republicans. In my opinion again, they risk blowing a beautifully built and laid out case against Trump because they are bad at messaging and weaponizing social media.

That should have been "legendary" in my post above.

I don't know what lengendary means.

R276, the problem is that Dems are too booksmart and not enough "streetsmart." We're dealing with pure filth and it needs to be called out. They keep being to polite in describing how repulsive Trump truly is.

And it doesn't help that we have "moderate Dems" even on DL who pull that shit of "This is why Trump won" if Dems try to counter the pure evil on the right. As if to say Reps can be as repulsive as possible and they won't lose "Independents," but a Dem so much as calls the right out for being bigoted and racist for supporting Trump (because heaven forbid we actually listen to Trump and see the policies he pushes which show he is both), we lose those "Independents"

too* polite

[quote][R276], the problem is that Dems are too booksmart and not enough "streetsmart." We're dealing with pure filth and it needs to be called out. They keep being to polite in describing how repulsive Trump truly is.

I agree with you 100%!

Well you know that old rule...

IOKIYAR

RR

R263....Did you not watch the hearings ?....they were spouting their bullshit conspiracy theories AFTER she chastised them and they claimed it wasnt true....proving her point and clueless at their hypocrisy.

I think some of the Dems are pretty tough. Sean Patrick Maloney and Eric Swalwell really go after the GOP Swalwell wrote an article in the Fresno Bee (Nunes' district people will read it, and so will Swalwell's.) About how corrupt Nunes is. Maloney acts like he will kickass and take names. Very aggressive in his questioning and very sharp.

R284, when Swalwell went for Nunes, I loved it.

For me, it's people like Schumer who need to go. I cannot stand him. I'm a NYer and I never vote for him. I'm hoping someone comes forward to primary him. I wanted to vomit when I saw his praise for Peter King.

[quote]For me, it's people like Schumer who need to go.

Who?

Della, I always used to like you, especially on the Royal Family threads. You seemed like a reasonable person. In fact you're an arrogant idiot. Blocked.

Justin Amash:

With respect, my friend @HurdOnTheHill applies the wrong standard. House impeachment is an indictment, not a conviction. The question in the House is whether there is probable cause to charge President Trump with an impeachable offense. The answer to that question is clearly yes.

John Bolton:

We have now liberated the Twitter account, previously suppressed unfairly in the aftermath of my resignation as National Security Advisor. More to come.....

Joe Biden:

It’s clear that Donald Trump has abused the power of the presidency. Full stop.

He is the most corrupt president in modern American history.

^Joe could have held that one.

Held it for what?

Ronald Brownstein:

The biggest lesson of past week maybe that no House Republican was ever gettable, that there was no level of evidence that would cause them to challenge a president of their own party who is expressing the priorities & resentment of their base. It is a stark & ominous moment

I agree with the comment at R293. Democrats must come up with a public strategy. The people will pressure the Republicans.

John Bolton has tweeted again:

Re: speaking up -- since resigning as National Security Advisor, the @WhiteHouse refused to return access to my personal Twitter account. Out of fear of what I may say? To those who speculated I went into hiding, I’m sorry to disappoint!

[quote]I was in charge of the US embassy in London for much of Trump’s first year. We didn’t hang his picture either. Why? It took the WH almost 15 months to get official photos sent to embassies to hang. And we were instructed not to print other photos.

#BoycottBoltonsBook is trending.

I love whichever of you bitches said John Bolton looks like a Civil War reenactor.

I recall reading an article where it was noted many embassies and public buildings didn’t have presidential pictures for 12 or so months, because DJT and Pence hadn’t decided when they’d sit for the portraits. You can’t hang something you don’t have! However, once the pictures were done, they should have been hung, whether you like DJT or not. So, if she had a picture and wouldn’t put it up, that is probably not appropriate.

R299 or you could look at r296

R300 yes, I could. It shouldn’t wouldn’t preclude me recalling a completely separate experience, from a few years ago. But whatever, shitstain.

To Cheatolini it only matters that they didn’t put up the photos of his terrible visage for 15 months, not that they didn’t have them available. He is very demented in this way (among others). He gets a notion fixed in that empty head of his, and he won’t let it go. He repeats it over and over again as if by sheer force of will he can transform it into the truth.

R287, where is the offensive Della post?

She has ALWAYS been a stealth troll. Always.

Replying to @LukensLewis

At an undisclosed #VA hospital in northern #Illinois, the official #POTUS portrait was hung, as per policy, in the traditional spot on the wall in the main lobby. Then a snack vending matching was placed in front of it.

NYT: Trump Attacks Impeachment Inquiry and Accuses a Witness of Lying

WASHINGTON — President Trump unleashed a series of falsehoods on Friday in an effort to invalidate the impeachment inquiry and counter sworn testimony from officials in his own administration, after a week of damaging public hearings.

In a 53-minute phone interview with “Fox & Friends,” Mr. Trump accused David Holmes, a political counselor to the top American diplomat in Ukraine, of fabricating a phone call between Mr. Trump and the ambassador to the European Union. Mr. Holmes told impeachment investigators that he had overheard the president asking the ambassador, Gordon D. Sondland, about Ukrainian investigations into his political rivals, a consequential detail in the Democrats’ impeachment inquiry.

“I guarantee you that never took place,” Mr. Trump said. He added that he barely knew Mr. Sondland, a wealthy hotelier from Oregon who contributed $1 million to Mr. Trump’s inaugural committee. In his own testimony under oath, Mr. Sondland corroborated Mr. Holmes’s account.

The interview on Friday, broadcast live and commercial-free with a view of the “Fox & Friends” hosts speaking by phone to Mr. Trump, gave the president a chance to respond to the damaging revelations of the past week and reprise widely debunked theories and some of his favorite lines of attack.

To start, Mr. Trump called Representative Adam B. Schiff, the chairman of the House Intelligence committee, a “sick puppy,” a “corrupt politician” and the first witness he would want to call in a Senate impeachment trial.

Will he be impeached? “I don’t expect it,” the president said. “I think it’s very hard for them to impeach you when they have absolutely nothing.” Some of Mr. Trump’s top aides and legal advisers, anticipating that the Democratic-led House will impeach Mr. Trump, met with Republican senators on Thursday to strategize over what a Senate trial would look like.

Mr. Trump also said he knows the identity of the anonymous whistle-blower whose complaint prompted the impeachment inquiry — and asserted that the details in the complaint were “fake.”

The July 25 phone call between Mr. Trump and Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, was “perfect.” He said, “Why should we give money to a country that’s known corrupt?”

Mr. Trump also said the Obama administration spied on his campaign, an accusation he leveled without evidence on Twitter in the early days of his administration. “They tried to overthrow the presidency. This is a disgrace.”

[quote] “I guarantee you that never took place,” Mr. Trump said.

This should be easy enough to prove/disprove. Either the call occurred or it didn’t. There must be a record of the call having happened — at a minimum from Sonland’s cell phone records.

Also, there was someone else at the table when Sondland and Holmes had lunch. I though that person was also going to testify and corroborate Holmes’s account.

This is fucking exhausting.

Deep cleansing breaths, r307.....

[quote]This should be easy enough to prove/disprove

Will it matter?

I think that's one of Trump's techniques -- he's exhausting to deal with, and he wears down his opponents.

Breaking via NYT: The DOJ IG report "debunks a series of conspiracy theories and insinuations about the FBI that Mr. Trump and his allies have put forward." IG Horowitz "made no finding of politically biased actions" by top Comey, McCabe and Strzok.

Biden on Miss Lindsey:

"Lindsey is about to go down in a way that I think he's going to regret his whole life."

Asked what he would say to Graham, Biden said, "I say, 'Lindsey, I just — I'm just embarrassed by what you're doing, for you.' I mean, my Lord."

L.A. Times:

Schiff isn't ruling out more impeachment hearings

Someone posted a link to this body language expert's Twitter account a while back and I went over there to see what he thought of the impeachment witnesses.

See DL fave Holmes give Gym Jordan the almost finger.

Holmes is super brave. He's still working in the ranks. (And if you watch Schiff's closing, Holmes is visibly nodding, apparently in agreement, while Hill is ramrod stiff. Not that I blame her... he just surprised me.). Hill at least is out of the atmosphere. Same with Vindman, very brave.

Watch Rep. Eric Swalwell connect Nunez to Gulliani and his associates. Another reason to love Eric Swalwell.

r314, in the interest of factual information, where did that "doctor" get his Degree In Body Language? Hm?

R314, tell Holmes to point to the soup on the menu. See which finger he uses.

[quote] R251: Tell me about the stigma that the Hitler descendants face. He had brothers & sisters.

Hitler’s nephews made a vow to themselves that they would not marry, so that no child would grow-up with that name, and that the family name would become extinct. And they did so. Even the one who had emigrated to the US and fought on the side of the US during the war.

That’s quite a stigma.

There is no testimony that Biden or the Whistleblower can bring to the Senate that are material. The Senate is trying the President for his actions. I hope that Roberts blocks the Senate from calling them.

[quote] R260: Trump predicts report on origins of Russia probe will be 'historic'

Trump says he sent his private investigators to Ukraine and you won’t believe what they’ve found. You won’t believe it, folks. It’s a disgrace, what they’ve found.

Well, of course you shouldn’t believe anything he says....

Can I just give a shout out to Adam Schiff for his fantastic closing remarks on Thursday? Watch from about 1:12 to 1:36 for the scorn in his voice toward the coward Republicans and the fury from 19:43 as he concludes. It's pretty fucking marvellous.

What president sends private investigators ANYWHERE?

At the link is a thread naming scores of prominent Republicans who are anti-Trump. The Dems in the House should consider adding a prominent Republican to the prosecution team. It will make a show of it being a non-partisan process. The only reason not to do so, might be that they will no doubt have more Dem House reps who want on the team, than they can accommodate.

r307, All you need to know is TRUMP ALWAYS LIES.

Of course the phone call happened.

Since Sondland called on an unsecured cell phone--it's possible a country or many countries' intelligence agencies have a recording of the call. But yeah, the simplest confirmation is pulling Sondland's cell phone records.

[quote]All you need to know is TRUMP ALWAYS LIES.

More than he breathes.

And he does both unnecessarily

Cuomo claiming to break something messy about Nunes next.

just posted

Looks like Nunez is headed for the slaughterhouse!

Nunes*

The Rethugs are keen on creating new narratives and deflection. How come no one is bringing up the fact that Ivanka just made millions in China, our nemesis. What about the Don Jr and his stupid fucking book? It was boosted onto the top of the bestseller charts by bulk buying. These nasty fuckers are so worried about Biden getting a leg up, Trumps garbage children have no business being in on the WH daily business.

t333....you left out that the bulk buy was made by the RNC

The story at R330 is a pretty big bombshell — masterfully previewed yesterday by hottie Swalwell.

[quote] "(Parnas) believes he has put himself out there for the President and now he's been completely hung out to dry," a person close to Parnas told CNN.

Ha. Get in line to complain about tRump‘s disloyalty to everyone. You either serve some purpose for him or not. And if not, then you are completely disposable.

Seeing that corrupt, inept, stupid cow MOOnes get his just desserts should be simply delightful.

Fat fuck NUNES in his gangster pinstripe suit will get his comeuppance soon! Gym Jordan, the ghosts of molested wrestlers past will be visiting you soon too!

Schiff: But of course, they were SILENT!

Grrrrrrrr....

from CNN: "To be perfectly clear, I don't acknowledge any questions from you in this lifetime or the next lifetime," Nunes said while leaving the impeachment hearing. "I don't acknowledge any question from you ever."

He is so beneath contempt r338.

Nunes' district should be considered as toxic as Chernobyl. What a cancerous group of voters.

Unbelievable. So the ranking member on the panel deciding on impeachment charges that the POTUS directed a campaign to get dirt on the Bidens...was on a campaign to get dirt on the Bidens. You can't make this shit up.

Well, I suspect in the next lifetime he'll be tied up by me giving him an earful by the lake of fire. And I know knots.

Nunes may have committed election-related crimes while on the tax payer dime.

Sacha Baron Cohen accepted the International Leadership Award from the Anti-Defamation League and used his keynote speech to single out the one Jewish-American who he believes is doing the most to facilitate “hate and violence” in America: Facebook founder and CEO Mark Zuckerberg.

He began with a joke at the Trump administration’s expense. “Thank you, ADL, for this recognition and your work in fighting racism, hate and bigotry,” Baron Cohen said, according to his prepared remarks. “And to be clear, when I say ‘racism, hate and bigotry’ I’m not referring to the names of Stephen Miller’s Labradoodles.”

MOOnes should probably make sure that he has his lawyer is on speed-dial. Of course, he could always get legal advice from his best bud, that great scholar, Gym Shorts Jordan. 😂😂😂😂

[quote]“It’s like we’re living in the Roman Empire, and Mark Zuckerberg is Caesar,” he said at one point. “At least that would explain his haircut.”

HA!

State Dept now releasing documents to a watchdog group in response to a FOIA request! Game changer.

American Oversight

@weareoversight

Adam Schiff for Supreme Court Justice!

FOIA documents linking Giuliani & Pompeo & the WH re: Ukraine. A clear paper trail.

Nunes looked like a whore in church the entire impeachment hearings. Literally sweating upper lip.

Almost all the Republicans left the room repeatedly during hearings, none more than Gym Jordan. Were they taking calls from Trump?

No, R349 -- Adam Schiff for Pres! Fiona Hill for Supreme Court Justice!

I want to see this entire Russian network exposed. Nunes is just one of a number of GOP members who are carrying Putins water.

[quote]This should be easy enough to prove/disprove. Either the call occurred or it didn’t

Sondland actually confirmed the call on Wednesday, he said reading Holmes's deposition "refreshed his memory" that he had the call -- but said they mostly talked about A$AP Rocky (the rapper detained in Sweden). Now that detail is extremely specific so when Holmes related it complete with quotes about the Kardashians, even Hellen Keller can see Trump is lying through his teefs.

And of course, other witnesses were there, cell phone records exist and WH phone records exist.

Mafia Don delegates his dirty work to kids and subordinates.

Does anyone know- when he said, "No quid pro quo, I want nothing"- if he was already alerted that the Dems were closing in on his little drug deal? Because I don't think he even uses that phrase or knows what it means.

FYI - you need an account to access r350's link.

I accessed it directly through Twitter @weareoversight and did not need an acct. They also have a website AmericanOversight.org.

I thought it was interesting that Sondland said the State department had blocked access to his files and his calendar and records and that he had to rely on other people's notes. There was something fishy about that. Then I read today that Bolton was blocked from twitter and decided that there is nothing they won't do to bury or destroy information. I'm actually surprised no one has been killed yet.

More about the FOIA applications and link to documents in this article.

Adam Schiff had a great closing. Did you notice that he seemed to be speaking without any notes? Makes it even more impressive.

Did you notice that all the Dem Reps had a moment to shine?.

Do you think that their question were written for themselves individually by their own staff; or, is there a master script which is then sliced and divided up among all the Dems?

[quote] Does anyone know- when he said, "No quid pro quo, I want nothing"- if he was already alerted that the Dems were closing in on his little drug deal? Because I don't think he even uses that phrase or knows what it means.

I’m fairly certain that when that occurred the coconspirators already knew about the whistleblower complaint and that Congress had opened up investigations into the delayed military funding.

[quote] Does anyone know- when he said, "No quid pro quo, I want nothing"- if he was already alerted that the Dems were closing in on his little drug deal? Because I don't think he even uses that phrase or knows what it means.

I’m fairly certain that when that occurred the coconspirators already knew about the whistleblower complaint and that Congress had opened up investigations into the delayed military funding.

Do you think that their question were written for themselves individually by their own staff; or, is there a master script which is then sliced and divided up among all the Dems? (sorry I don't know how to do quotes).

I've wondered this too, and I think they script the questions, assign them is some order, and members can also add on based on what they hear from witnesses throughout the hearing. It's all about entering information into the record, so it seems they have to have some mechanism to ensure everything gets in there.

But yeah, Adam spoke from a place of deep frustration, borne of the fact that the GOP have absolutely no interest in protecting a corrupt system that they're up to their eyeballs in.

Sorry...my last statement should say the opposite of what it does. Sorry...too early for me to be typing to you smart folks.

I love Fiona Hill. She's so tough and butch. Is she a lesbian?

[quote] I'm actually surprised no one has been killed yet.

Throughout Watergate, I assumed that bodies would be found in the Potomac with knives in their backs -- Woodward, Bernstein, Ben Bradlee, John Dean, Howard Baker, etc. But I do think that Nixon would have at least hesitated to order murder, and I have no such doubts about Trumpy.

I think Fiona is married. She was the star of the hearings for sure. I see a bright future for her.

Can one believe the Kardashians are being discussed by the President and his Diplomats? WTF has our country come to. The culmination of trash culture all the way up to POTUS. Ridiculous.

There is not way Pompeo will run for Senate now...or maybe he will he is so arrogant but his chances of winning are getting slimmer unlike his waistline.

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I noticed Schiff was really upset after his closing remarks...his lower lip quivered...like he was about to cry with rage. He really cares for our democracy and must be so saddened by what is has come to.

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R370 : and that thing tucker carlson was making fun of schiff being so so emotional in his closing speech!....

[quote]Does anyone know- when he said, "No quid pro quo, I want nothing"- if he was already alerted that the Dems were closing in on his little drug deal? Because I don't think he even uses that phrase or knows what it means.

The call was on September 9.

[quote]The timeline is key. The call happened more than a week after then Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire informed the White House counsel about the existence of a whistleblower complaint detailing how Trump abused his power by trying to leverage the Ukrainians into doing political favors for him.

[quote]So, assuming word of the whistleblower’s complaint percolated up to the president, Trump’s call with Sondland came after he knew the jig was up. Indeed, that very same day, Michael Atkinson, inspector general for the intelligence community, notified the House Intelligence Committee of the whistleblower complaint and said he found that the accusations rose to the level of “urgent concern.”

More shoes to drop.

Exclusive: CEO of Ukraine State Gas Firm Preparing to Testify in Giuliani Probe

he CEO of Ukraine’s state gas company, Naftogaz, is ready to give evidence in a U.S. federal investigation that is reportedly probing the business dealings of Rudy Giuliani, the CEO said in an exclusive interview on Friday.

“I will with a high likelihood be invited to testify in this case,” Naftogaz CEO Andriy Kobolyev told TIME, citing his lawyers and contacts in the U.S. “If I am called, I would be willing to come and testify,” Kobolyev added.

Asked whether he is preparing to give prosecutors information about Giuliani or about Parnas and Fruman, the executive said, “Both. Everything is connected.”

Any testimony from Kobolyev would come on top of the statements that another Naftogaz executive, Andrew Favorov, gave investigators on Thursday in New York City.

Kobolyev interrupted his interview with TIME at his office in Kyiv Friday, saying he wanted to call his colleague Favorov on the phone to ask how his interview with federal investigators had gone, and whether Favorov would be going back on Friday to provide more testimony.

“He finished yesterday,” Kobolyev said after finishing the mid-interview phone call. “He said it was a very unusual experience,” the CEO added, referring to Favorov. “He said he has never gone through questioning like that. I also heard these guys are very, um, very hard, the southern district prosecutors. They’re some of the best in the states.”

Citing two unnamed sources familiar with the matter, CNN reported on Nov. 18 that federal prosecutors in New York had contacted people associated with Naftogaz as part of their investigation of Giuliani. Favorov’s U.S. lawyer confirmed to the Associated Press the following day that his client was planning to meet voluntarily with investigators. The timing of that meeting on Thursday, and the fact that prosecutors had not asked Favorov to come back on Friday, have not been previously reported.

does any person actually think trump would FOR ANY REASON and ANYWHERE and ANYHOW mention the words quid pro quo? OR on his very own! much less on a phone call! like the man would know what those words mean in the first damn place!.. the ultimate coincidence of all time for him to use these words on a phone call when the shit was just about to go down defies any logic belief that anyone over the age of puberty would believe!...

R375, that's what's so funny. I can't imagine any business dealings in his life where he DIDN'T do it, but he'd have no fucking idea what the latin for it was.

JUST BECAUSE YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT IT’S CALLED DOESN’T MEAN YOU DIDN’T DO IT, DONALD!

#DonaldTheBum

Yes, and now he uses them like a magic phrase - abracadabra, I’m innocent. Quid pro quo. Quid pro quo!

He learned a new term and each word is one syllable, so of course he'll use it to death.

AND SO FAR, THE REPUBLICANS HAVE ACTUALLY ACTUALLY SAID 1) quid pro quo is NOT bribery or extortion?

2) that "oh you see, now the democrats are going from quid pro quo to bribery to extortion" counting on the american populace to be too stupid to know that basically they mean the same thing!

3) even that bribery that is being alleged is NOT the same kind of bribery that's in the constitution! ARE THEY EFFING KIDDING ME WITH THIS? i forget one repub stating that any alleged crimes that trump committed are NOT crimes and why? because they are NOT in the constitution!

SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT, IF A CRIME THAT HAPPENS NOW IS NOT IN A DOCUMENT WROTE OVER 200 PLUS YEARS AGO BY NOT JUST SOME AVERAGE JOE NOBODY, BUT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THEN IT'S NOT A CRIME!!?!?!?

this is literally insanity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

R262 - All of the embassies were waiting for Trump to pose for a Presidential photo so they could put it up on their walls. It's Trump's fault that no Ambassador had a photo of him up. Of course, he just keeps lying and deflecting and making the FEMALE the scapecoat.

I'm no Republican and wish they would all get voted out in 2020, every single one of them, but they are not going to pay for what Trump did. They play a better game than the Dems do - it's not about "my colleagues from across the aisle" or "the gentleman from Ohio" with the Republicans. It's "the Democrats this" and "the Democrats that". It's time for the Democrats to be as nasty and as mean. It's the only way to stand up to these treasonous losers who would get away with shooting someone on 5th Avenue, even if it is covered live by every single media outlet in the world.

And yes R381, it is insanity. The President of the United States committed a crime, he acknowledged it was a crime on national television, the intelligence community briefed US Senators on how Russia is behind the "Ukraine did it not us" propoganda and YET, they are STILL going forward with investigations and questions into Ukraine and Burisma and the Bidens. It's the upside/down. It makes no sense, and yet here we are, going down the rabbit hole chasing alternative facts.

So here's my prediction... the House will impeach Trump. The Senate will not indict him. Trump will win re-election in 2020. The Republicans will keep control of the Senate in 2020. The Dems will keep control of the House in 2020. Trump will spend the next four years doing whatever the hell he wants, basically raping the country for his own benefit, and there is not a damn thing the Democrats will be able to do to stop him. Oh, he'll also have a shot at replacing if not one then two Supreme Court justices, which is really the end goal for Moscow Mitch and Twitter Cow Nunes and Gym Prev Jordans.

Welcome to the new United States.

Just when I thought I couldn't admire Adam Schiff any more than I already do, I find this tidbit on Wikileaks.

"In 2014, Schiff was the first member of Congress to participate in the AIDS/LifeCycle, a seven-day charity bike ride from San Francisco to Los Angeles to raise awareness and funding to fight HIV and AIDS."

If he is reelected, he will be impeached AGAIN.

If he’s re-elected it is to be hoped they can catch Russians hacking the vote in real time.

The Republicunt argument is now, well we know they interfered, but Donald didn’t know. This whole hearing is pretty damnable evidence and now that they have Nunes and Ghooli red handed let’s hope they turn on Diapers.

Why isn't Schiff running for president? He is smart, articulate, passionate and full of integrity. He is also at the right age. Instead we have 3 grandparents and a bunch of lame asses and one Republican in disguise.

^A President Schiff should also get Hill as Vice president, Yovanovitch as Secretary of State and that hottie Holmes as Chief of Staff or Press Secretary.

R383, yeah some pundits are saying pretty much the same thing, and that is clearly the GOP plan, but you know what they say about making plans. The thing is, the lunatic in the WH is so unpredictable he can still cause untold damage to himself and the party before we even get to the elections. Also his henchman, Giuliani et al, are so inept, they could blow everything up as well.

That is what I keep telling myself anyway because the thought of another four years of Trump and his corrupt administration is fucking hard to take.

R389... i'm hoping and praying that trump OUT LOUD IN PUBLIC CALLS HIS SUPPORTERS FOUL LANGUAGE NAMES AND STARTS LAUGHING! EVEN THEN, I THINK they wouldn't believe it was him, it was a lookalike, he was just joking, he was just "keeping it real", he was talking about those OTHER supporters of him and so on!..

like nicole wallace just recently said "it seems their would have to be a naked dead russian hooker on the front lawn of the white house to get thru to his base!"..

AND EVEN THEN! "it's fake news, it was a plant!"..

R390 I think you're right and even then, they'd call it fake news!

What I don't get is what his base gets out of supporting him... are their lives any better than they were before he became President (which, by the way, is so laughable because this idiot is anything but presidential and probably works so little at the actual job)... are they richer? Have better healthcare? How are they benefiting from this asshole in the White House?

Or does it come down to one simple thing... they hated that a Black guy was in the White House, so they blame the Democrats and voted for a guy who is a narcissist racist lunatic, who is out for himself and couldn't care less about them, who would run them over if it benefited him.

What I find hypocritical (welcome to politics!) is that if the roles were reversed and Hilary was the one who did everything Trump did and continues to do, she would have been impeached on day 1.

[quote] If he’s re-elected it is to be hoped they can catch Russians hacking the vote in real time.

Reality Winner got into prison for sharing that it was well known behind the scenes that the 2016 vote was hacked. You really think that they come forward right away in 2020? The officials and the media will do a lot of controlling the narrative of why Trump won fair and square. And the lazy masses will just go "Oh well, what can WE do anyway? ... What's new on Netflix (so I can distract myself by binge watching)?".

[quote] On June 3, 2017, while employed by the military contractor Pluribus International Corporation, Winner was arrested on suspicion of leaking an intelligence report about Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections to the news website The Intercept. The report suggested that Russian hackers had accessed at least one U.S. voting-software supplier.[7]

[quote] Concerns have been raised that The Intercept's sloppy handling of the material exposed her as the source and contributed to her arrest.[8] Twice denied bail, Winner was held at the Lincoln County Jail in Lincolnton, Georgia.[9][10] On August 23, 2018, Winner was sentenced to five years and three months in prison as part of a plea deal.[11]

r391, I SO SO HEAR YOU! i would just love to ask just one of them "what did trump ever do for you in his entire 7 plus decades of life?" You do know that not only did he never ever do anything for you, but he didn't even know or WANT to know you existed!"..

of course their stupidity would reply "well, what did obama or hillary do for me or anyone their entire lives!" (because you know googling this would be too much work for them!)....

every single excuse they could use to have voted for him fades away with just the tiny bit of truth!

1) "he's not a politician"? oh really, a new york real estate developer who has to work with politicians for zoning affairs, who hobnobbed with politicians isn't a politician? what ONLY the fact he didn't have a official position as a politician!

2) "he's one of us, he gets us, he cares!" oh really, once again the he never did anything for you or anyone in his entire life and since when is a new york real estate developer billionaire (allegedly) anything like you?... funny because if anything hillary was the one who was most like them from her midwest average middle class upbringing!

3) "he's not like one of this hollywood stuck up out of touch elites!".. once again, oh really? someone who was in tv and b level movies, who once again hobnobbed with hollywood for decades and who was a reality tv show host isn't "hollywood"?..

4) "he's a christian and pro life!"... Hmm, you mean the man who couldn't properly out loud recite a psalm from the bible? the man who breaks nearly every single commandment and sin there is? the man who how many abortions do you think the women he has slept with have had and of course if not abortions used birth control which is also a big no no for you evangelicals right?..

i could go on and on, but simply i guess his base wanted a white asshole who talks shit everyday and who acts "tough" and will stick it to everyone everyone other then them of course, even though IT IS THEM he's sticking it to!....

as you stated, what exactly has he done to make anyone, any average american's life better?..

R381, they literally have someone directly involved in this whole mess (Nunes) on the committee. It's beyond psychotic what Republicans get away with. They couldn't care less about this country. Sick people.

[quote]like nicole wallace just recently said "it seems their would have to be a naked dead russian hooker on the front lawn of the white house to get thru to his base!"..

You can't get through to them EVER. They're gone. Shitheads with whom we have to share the planet.

[quote]What I don't get is what his base gets out of supporting him...

Perceived tax cuts, conservative judges, and white supremacy

All of that is well and good for them until it directly affects them. Look at Kentucky as an example. Prior to ObamaCare. The State was a mess as far as healthcare was concerned. I believe it had the highest unnecessary death rate in the nation. Then Bashear got ObamaCare (KY-NECT) through. The people LOVED it! People were receiving healthcare that had never ever had it before. People like carpenters, bartenders, waitresses, etc. People were going to doctors who had never set foot in a doctor's office before!

BUT....

The hateful black guy did something good? That just did not make sense for many people--particularly the white folks. So, why did they do? They elected a white, male, Republican for Governor who went on a rampage to destroy the program. But, that wasn't enough. They overwhelmingly elected a white, male, Republican that "promised" healthcare but he too was on a mission to destroy this new healthcare that the people of Kentucky so enjoyed! It wasn't until that new doctor that they liked refused their appointments and health insurance premiums skyrocket to the point that it was no longer affordable did they wake up and say "Hmm..."

My point; Unless people are directly affected by something--and adversely by it, they will continue to live in some "garden of Eden" bubble.

The Deplorable base needs to be removed from Trump's and the GOP's influence (like, Fox News and Breitbart) and getting reacquainted - brainwash style - with their common sense skill. As long they have access to right wing propaganda they will not accept anything else to be true.

R396, never gets old and never changes:

[quote]“I’ll tell you what’s at the bottom of it,” he said. “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” -LBJ

And the only difference between now and then is that we now deal with thin-skinned, hypersensitive snowflakes on the right who can't handle the truth, but think it's the left who are actually thin-skinned.

r398, case in point: Donald Trump jr.'s book "Triggered" about the triggered, "regressive" left.

R399, right? Meanwhile, he couldn't even handle questions from his own while selling that garbage book and his cougar had to step in and silence them.

Late on Friday night, the State Department, pursuant to a court order, released hundreds of pages of documents related to the sacking of Ambassador Yovanovitch. They show extensive contact between Giuliani and Pompeo, supporting Sondland's "in the loop" testimony. Nunes turns up in these documents too.

I say let's just admit it. The Republicans OWN the messaging game. Not only do they have FOX but they have a SLEW of internet whatevers that swamp the internet and other media with their message. I like to think that the Democrats (and others) are so busy working and trying to keep their heads above water that they literally have no time to put in the work to spread any type of message. But. for Republicans it's different. For them it's a mission. That's why I also say that they spend so much time and energy on the propaganda that it is the reason that they cannot govern. Republicans and their supporters never think about policy and implementation. They're all about the short term objective of achieving power.

So what R402...not everyone listens to that shit. It is small percentage of people. More people watch CNN and MSNBC. So we have our own bullhorn. Don't be defeatist.

I wish the Dems would do this...how many of Donald Trump's associates are in prison or indicted?? This should be the centerpiece of the corruption messaging.

Rethugs are amoral hypocrites with no redeeming principles to guide them. Their singular zeal is to obtain power by any means necessary, and then retain that power by any means available.

[quote]I wish the Dems would do this...how many of Donald Trump's associates are in prison or indicted??

But they don't, R403. However, we've all heard Hunter Biden's name in the last 5 minutes and every other 5 minutes before that.

[quote]More people watch CNN and MSNBC.

The average daily rating for FOX is quite frequently higher than CNN and MSNBC combined.

[quote]So what [R402]...not everyone listens to that shit.

The problem is that the President of the US does listen to that shit FOX and frequently gets his advice from them. He is their audience and they know he waits for their orders.

r388, HIll can't be VP, she wasn't born in this country.

Northern England, remember?

"Instead, the president has turned the U.S. government into a version of the Trump Organization, full of wheeler-dealers inside and outside the official ranks who exist to do his political bidding. In this version of Trump’s Washington, the rogue actors are the real players and the traditional, professional class in the National Security Council, the State Department and the Pentagon are largely irrelevant."

Thank you, #373!

It isn't if linked this way, r410.

Just for the record, Nancy Pelosi has charged SIX committees to investigate the President.

The six committees charged with the task are the committees on Financial Services, the Judiciary, Intelligence, Foreign Affairs, Oversight and Reform, and Ways and Means.

We just concluded ONE of them, Intelligence. I would like to see the inquiry move to Foreign Affairs or Oversight next. It is like Candy Land, where everything ends up in Judiciary.

I hope Financial Services looks into the MONEY LAUNDERING.

An tenant in my building, maybe in her 30's, fat bleached blonde, etc. is a MAGAt. I overheard her in our laundry room talking to someone on the phone and she said she felt SO sorry for him, because the Democrats have been after hi and harassing him and picking on him ever since the election.He's a victim! Can you believe that?

My Uber driver tonight was an older African-American man. He was ranting about how Trump's done nothing criminal and impeachedment is democratic because it's overturning the "majority" of voters - because the popular vote numbers were false. He said if the Senate isn't going to convict, what's the point of wasting millions on the hearings.

My pulse was racing, I was so angry. However, I replied calmly. He was truly ranting.

*impeachment

* impeachment is undemocratic

Tell them to change the channel.

Marks don’t like to admit they were marks.

Until, perhaps years later.

I find it interesting that he felt he could have such a conversation like that with you, R415. But, I surmise that he is banned from the family barbecues and has to talk to somebody since no one in the "family" will have anything to do with him.

“There’s gonna be a civil war” pro-Trump supporters talk tough on impeachment

I hope you gave him a 1 and fucked his average, R415. He deserves to feel the effects of an unregulated economy directly.

R370, Schiff got emotional because he was quoting his late friend Elijah Cummings: "We are better than this!"

Tucker Carlson is vile and ignorant.

R415, Why is that man still allowed to drive for Uber? You should have reported him for his political ranting.

Well, r390, they believe that---photos, videos, depositions, lawsuits, and lifestyle notwithstanding---Trump was not a pal of Jeffrey Epstein, even though Mar-a-Lago was a recruiting site for Ghislaine Maxwell.

Let's get real: Nobody becomes a billionaire without corruption, depravities, criminal threats/association/behaviors, indifference to human suffering, and other sundry anti-social acts.

Look at Facebook and Zuckerberg. Who suspected that the Russian Mob (AKA Putin's government) had Zuck in their debt, same as with Trump? That FB is essentially an anti-democracy Russian propaganda tool? Yet multitudes of Americans are addicted to it, and even armed with the truth cannot quit it, because they regard FB as a veritable lifeline to others.

Putin---through money and/or blackmail---owns many a wealthy man. The world is run by sociopaths and cowards. True "governing" is a myth.

When, e.g., has this Administration proposed anything to benefit the American populace as a whole?

WELL WELL SAID R410 AND R425!...

I'm glad we had those hearings. It reminded me that every damned day, there are millions of faceless people who show up and somehow make it all work for us. No matter who's Mayor, or Governor, or President, people we never heard of, our neighbors, people with families, they show up. They are the only reason why our government is still functioning and serving us. Take a minute to appreciate them. And every time one of them stands up to defend our Constitution and uphold the rule of Law, is one more day our Democracy survives. It is wholly uncharacteristic for civil servants to be defiant or to leak information. That they would defy this administration and testify, or push back and contest a Presidential action by pardoning a murderer, or leak pictures of children in cages is remarkable. Be glad they are standing their post. Because without them we'd be staring into the abyss.

Well said r427!

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump (1 hour ago)

Polls have now turned very strongly against Impeachment, especially in swing states. 75% to 25%. Thank you!

His supporters really are just loathsome in every way.

The Hill:

Impeachment witnesses come under threats, harassment

R409, which is why people like her, Albright for example, become SoS.

Sure, r421.

Have they already forgotten the ass kicking we gave those fools in the second civil war of 2018?

Because jabba the Jones said we were going to attack and fat Donnie's idiots should prepare. And what happened?

This idiot and his idiotic conspiracy Kool aid Klan were roundly called out, made fun of and humiliated until they shut up.

Now they want another humiliation? We'll give it to them.

Sure, r421.

Have they already forgotten the ass kicking we gave those fools in the second civil war of 2018?

Because jabba the Jones said we were going to attack and fat Donnie's idiots should prepare. And what happened?

This idiot and his idiotic conspiracy Kool aid Klan were roundly called out, made fun of and humiliated until they shut up.

Now they want another humiliation? We'll give it to them.

WGAS about that rancid, old, deplorable cunt in the video. Who's that adorable Kiwi?

We are in the Cold Civil War.

US Navy Sec. Spencer's full resignation letter:

Shame on Spencer. I mean a lot of DLers are on the draft dodger's side on this one. Trump felt someone who committed war crimes (bonus points for those crimes being committed against Muslim civilians who were shot for sport - DL fingers itself to that type of shit). He's supposed to be celebrated, not prosecuted for spitting on his oath and dishonoring the SEALs and being a monster. He killed brown people - in Trump's world and a lot of DLers, that's perfectly reasonable. they deserve it for existing.

[quote]I mean a lot of DLers are on the draft dodger's side on this one.

Приятное прикосновение, Борис.

R439, if you're calling me a troll, you're an idiot. Are you really going to pretend DL doesn't have tons of bigots who've expressed their hate for all Muslims? Are you new here? Because I'm not. Been on DL since 2000 and we've had countless threads confirming what I wrote. So-called "liberals" who are fine with Trump's bigotry and if anyone calls them out on it, they use that tiresome line "This is why Trump won"

[quote]if you're calling me a troll, you're an idiot.

Мы поощряем настойчивость в отрицании. Вы хорошо усвоили урок.

So-called "liberals" — был особенно блестящим.

I am not a bigot. I am not fine with anything Trump does or says. Nothing. Trump won and Reagan had won, because of hateful, disgusting racist. That fact is very clear. We have a terribly ignorant and racist population. The more ignorant we are, the more racist we are. I guess that will never change.

I am not a bigot. I am not fine with anything Trump does or says. Nothing. Trump won and Reagan had won, because of hateful, disgusting racist. That fact is very clear. We have a terribly ignorant and racist population. The more ignorant we are, the more racist we are. I guess that will never change.

I am not a bigot. I am not fine with anything Trump does or says. Nothing. Trump won and Reagan had won, because of hateful, disgusting racist. That fact is very clear. We have a terribly ignorant and racist population. The more ignorant we are, the more racist we are. I guess that will never change.

Hurd was not being moderate, he was being an amoral, spineless liar. What a pig.

Hurd was not being moderate, he was being an amoral, spineless liar. What a pig.

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Support for Impeachment is dropping like a rock, down into the 20’s in some Polls. Dems should now get down to work and finally approve USMCA, and much more!

Geraldo Rivera @GeraldoRivera

As Democrats charge forward on #Impeachment of @realDonaldTrump despite certainty of defeat, don’t let them forget phony #Russiagate scandal they created out of salacious, false opposition research. It’s fraudulent underpinnings should disqualify these hypocritical putschists.

ABC News: House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes used funds from New PAC, his leadership political action committee, to purchase steak dinners, limo rides, and nearly $15,000 in Boston Celtics basketball games tickets, FEC filings show.

FEC filings show that New PAC spent a total of $14,638 at TD Garden, the home of the Boston Celtics, on three occasions between February and May 2017.

New PAC dropped an additional $3,593 at the 4-star Omni Parker House hotel on May 8, the same day that the fund purchased tickets for the Celtics' playoffs against the Washington Wizards.

2018 quarterly filings for New PAC show a number of more recent luxury expenditures. On March 9, bills at seven different restaurants in Las Vegas totaled over $7,000.

The expenditures do not appear to break any federal laws. (It is absolutely disgusting how politicians in this country game the system.)

Just more proof of what a PIG Devn Nunes is.

And a Cow.

Holy Cow, R449!

And what is the taxable rate for all that income realized by they SuperPAC?

Hmmmm???

I'm in a quandary r448. Do I believe our own Intelligence community or do I believe Geraldo?

Remember Geraldo's disaster with The Search of Al Capone's vault? Geraldo has zero credibility.

I'm old. I remember when Geraldo was liberal.

[quote]I remember when Geraldo was liberal.

And he was very interested in portraying himself as a crusader for truth and justice that stood up to the establishment.

Time has revealed that it was all a pose.

GERALDO IS ONLY INTERESTED IN BEING "RELEVANT" ANYWHERE? fox news, so be it......

the guy was always a attention whore hack, has been one his entire life...

like donnie douche, i mean donnie deutsch, anyone, i repeat ANYONE who is or was friends with trump for DECADES is a p.o.s.! end of story!...

I'd rather stay poor and a social outcast than be in Donald Trump's inner circle. No money, and connections, in the world could make that disgust go away of having to endure his actual presence or having to take his calls. That guy is as toxic as Chernobyl on two stumpy legs.

Same here. They're so tacky and tawdry. Only a low IQ individual would covet that.

I am surprised that there have been no posters here on this thread commenting on the onslaught of Republicans that appeared on television and in the news over the weekend, the polls that are saying that impeachment has lost ground among the public, and what seems as the Republicans strategy to just did in.

It looks as if the Democrats may be losing on this one.

You do know you're the reason this gif was created, don't you r459?

Are these poll numbers actually real or did Trump and his minions make them up like the rest of this fake presidency? Where is the PollTroll when you need him?

There's been a slight decline in support for impeachment over the past week, but nothing as major as what Trump says.

Current polling averages on impeachment:

46.3% Support

45.5% Don't Support

Impeachment inquiry proved America can’t be saved from a cult called the GOP | Will Bunch

Updated: November 24, 2019 - 11:13 AM

For the last two weeks, Republican Texas Congressman Will Hurd sat with his colleagues on the House Intelligence Committee and listened to a stunning story of presidential abuse of power — told by the kind of folks who must have seemed like a mirror image of Hurd’s patriotic past life as a CIA agent.

Like once-obscure, now-star impeachment inquiry witnesses Marie Yovanovitch, Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman and Fiona Hill, Hurd emerged from middle-class origins as a top student who went into government service and developed a strong sense of duty, spending years as a U.S. undercover agent in Pakistan, growing a long beard and speaking the native Urdu. Elected to Congress in 2014, Hurd quickly developed a reputation as one of the most moderate Republicans on Capitol Hill, with a passion for bipartisan issues like cybersecurity. He even joined with mostly Democrats to condemn President Trump after the president called African nations “shithole countries.”

Now, as one of several dozen GOP House members deciding not to seek reelection in 2020, which some see as a rebuke to Trump, Hurd was viewed by Democrats as a leading indicator on whether any Republicans will support impeaching the 45th president, which in turn might predict whether there was even a remote chance of getting the 20 GOP Senate votes needed for removal. But after hearing the testimony, Hurd wasn’t having it.

The ex-CIA man said during Thursday’s session he was dismayed by what he called “bungling” in American foreign policy, but he quickly added he wasn’t seeing withholding congressionally approved security aid or a White House visit to pressure the Ukrainian president for dirt on a 2020 campaign rival as a high crime, let alone a misdemeanor. “An impeachable offense should be compelling, overwhelming, clear and unambiguous,” Hurd said. “And it’s not something to be rushed or taken lightly. I’ve not heard evidence proving the president committed bribery or extortion.”

No surprise.

Trump was absolutely right.

If he were to shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue, there would be no consequences.

Because those in the Trump political party would fall all over themselves to defend him and explain it away.

Hurd’s comments were not a fluke. His fellow GOP moderate on the panel, Rep. Elise Stefanik of upstate New York, is now apparently a former moderate after aggressive pro-Trump questioning. Her extreme makeover led to a sharp rebuke from a home-district paper that had once endorsed her but now ripped her as “becoming more partisan, more disingenuous and irrational.”

On Friday, a Philadelphia-area Republican — Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick of Bucks County — with a reputation for breaking from Trump on occasion told reporters he saw no reason to vote for impeachment, even for a president who routinely attacks the FBI, where Fitzpatrick once worked. “There’s no reason we can’t refer this to law enforcement,” he insisted.

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Washington Post:

Mired in trench warfare, Trump makes up poll numbers that show him winning handily

[quote]Mired in trench warfare, Trump makes up poll numbers that show him winning handily

And, I'd say he is. This thread was sure enough quiet on Sunday. Financial markets hit higher highs. My office colleagues are in a good mood. WINNING!

Uh....

Thanks PollTroll. So Trump's poll numbers are just the typical bs distraction tactic.

Still not looking good though. All this evidence and hardly any support for impeachment. Should 70% and more after these hearings. People really don't care anymore.

Was there any reason given for the slight decrease in approval ratings for impeachment? It doesn't make sense.

R468, tribalism. Both sides are digging in; there is no flexibility.

McGahn has been ordered to appear before Congress.

Have we learned nothing over the past five years? Donald tRump loudly proclaims his version of reality — which often bears only a faint and distant resemblance to the truth. His sycophants then loudly and often repeat some version of what he has said. The chattering class pick up the falsehood and carry it forward until — bizarrely — it becomes an accepted version of what occurred.

We cannot let that happen here. He is as guilty as sin of having co-opted our national security interests to further his own political agenda, tried to cover up his crime, and obstructed the Congressional inquiry.

And, that is just my point, R471. Democrats, supporters of the rule of law and what is right and good, the rest of us who are sane and rational, will sit on our laurels and let Trump and the Republicans walk right away with this because we sit back and think that the mission is accomplished.

Where are the protests? Will Hurd's own mother should have slapped him in the face, etc.... But, where were we? This particular thread was awful quiet as Republicans went on a strong offense and it seems that they had some type of positive result.

Whoever is the show runner for "Impeachment, the Hearings," must come up with a new show every week with more jaw-dropping discoveries to keep their attention focused on the series. If not, it'll be canceled because of declining ratings and put into reruns. There's a lot of competition out there from Netflix, Amazon, Apple TV and now Disney. The producers of "The Apprentice" knew that.

The hearings on MSNBC were its highest rated week, ever. It was Fox’s highest rated week this year. It was Monday Night Football-level.

That will burn Trump .

republicans in congress??!! and they call stormy daniels a whore!...

Support for impeachment has gone back up today:

NOV 26, 2019

49.0% Support

43.5% Don't support

The constant polls are useless. The Democrats are going to do what they need to do regardless of what Joe Blow in Indiana thinks or wants.

The constant polls are useless. The Democrats are going to do what they need to do regardless of what Joe Blow in Indiana thinks or wants.

I agree - but the higher the percentage of people who support impeachment, especially in swing states, the more likely that skittery senators facing tough reelection battles there will break ranks with McConnell. Sadly, it won't be the 20 that we need to vote for conviction though. However, if a big news break came, that could still change.

Every avenue worth pursuing should be traveled to defeat Trump's rule, up to and including we do our own part in delivering as many votes as we can next November.

Breaking via NYT: Trump had already been briefed on the whistleblower complaint about his dealings with Ukraine when he unfroze military aid for the country in September, according to two people familiar with the matter.

R481.. WELL YEAH, it would have to be the ULTIMATE COINCIDENCE OF ALL TIME, that lump i mean trump happened to release the money AT THAT EXACT DAY AND TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

as it turns out only 2 days AFTER the whistleblower complaint became known!.... anyone who doesn't believe this is literally too stupid to be walking around!.. (no, i don't mean you R481 buddy)..

BREAKING: House panel report on impeachment inquiry says Trump compromised national security to advance his personal political interests.

Adam Schiff has released the House report just now.

Macron of France just snubbed Trump at 10 Downing Street. He walked right by Trump. Did not shake his hand. He then proceeded to shake Melena’s hand. He did smile, at least.

Of course, Trump did just insult him, earlier today.

Trump exudes a binary toxicity: it either destroys you or repels you.

R484 Do you have a link?

Here’s the video of Macron snubbing Trump . Do you agree? The TV people didn’t mention it. The audio is irrelevant.

20 second video. .

Damn, he walks right by Trump! Right after shaking someone else’s hand!

Throw that shade, Macron!

Damn.

Washington Post link

Didn’t they say last time somebody did that, that it was customary to shake the wife’s hand and not the husband’s? Or did they just make that up to excuse the last time somebody did it?

I wouldn’t put it past Trump to have no idea what the protocol was.

Macron was in a hurry to join Trudeau in the bedroom:

wouldn't you love to see someone kick candy ass lump's ass, literally kick him in the ass...

how reporters and journalists have kept themselves for over 3 1/2 years from literally stating right to his face "that's a lie!", "your a liar!", "your lying!" is beyond me..

That was a classic Cold Shoulder.

Rudy Giuliani and one of his indicted Ukrainian associates exchanged a flurry of phone calls with Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA), the top Republican on Congress’ impeachment investigation panel, amid a Giuliani-led effort to dig up dirt on President Donald Trump’s political opponents in Ukraine.

The House Intelligence Committee obtained phone records from AT&T showing extensive communications in early April involving Nunes, Giuliani, Lev Parnas, and The Hill columnist John Solomon. The House report describes these individuals as part of a "smear campaign" coordinated with "one or more individuals at the White House."

i wonder if that nutjob mark levin of "life, liberty and levin" is involved in this or hannity? 2 extreme a-holes and nutjobs!

have to be others then nunes involved in regards to repubs!....

Trump impeachment evidence overwhelming - House report

Media needs to get off their asses about Nunes. He went to Vegas a lot. Flashing money around. Who went with him? What does he do in Vegas with his New PAC money. He seems like a slimy pervert. There has to be some dirt out there on him.

Interesting, R498. When Parnas was arrested he had, in addition to five cell phones and a lot of cash, a number of "frequent flyer"-type rewards cards from various casinos. There's some gambling aspect to this story.

More like money laundering, r499.

More like money laundering, r499.

Nunes and Ghouliani are going down. I can't wait until his silly lawsuits get thrown out. He must be spending a lot of his PAC money on lawyers fees.

Did you see Liz Chaney say that the Dems have not allowed Trump the opportunity to defend himself? Didn't they give him EVERY opportunity and when that time was up, he turned down the opportunity --despite his constant bitching that he's being treated unfairly?

Why doesn't Schiff acknowledge that shit? Why doesn't he call Nunes out by his name? I mean...am I looking at this naively? would that be the wrong approach? It seems like we're trying to keep some kind of moral high ground and it's driving me APE SHIT.

BTW Clinton is now on the Howard Stern show!

The Repugs are not beholden to facts or reality, nor standards of decency.

you invite me to show up and ALL OF MY PEOPLE that i'm ordering NOT to show up because it's all a hoax and a sham, and i'll be treated wrong, but i don't know until i show up, but i'm not going to show up and i'm not going to show and prove my case and how everyone is wrong and i'm and my people are telling the truth and we never did anything wrong!

IS THAT HOW THE WARPED MINDSET WORKS folks?.. and since when can ANYONE even the president ORDER anyone to NOT testify? since when is this a monarchy? since when does ANYONE even the president have more power then the law and judicial system and if one WANTS to testify they can if they want!

Hillary just inferred that a Pandora's Box has been opened and it 's gonna be impossible to put ALL of the shit back in it.

I mean...will this be the status quo now. Every Republican candidate is gonna be a goddamn used car salesman? We're fucked, right?

R506 ... win win at all costs... NO MATTER WHAT!...i repeat LITERALLY NO MATTER WHAT!... indeed will this be the norm??

so much for the u.s. to be above it all and not like those "other" countries.

How come we don't have any howling monkeys like the repubs do? Their howling monkeys have been screaming about getting Schiff on the stand for weeks. Why don't we have our own howlers screaming into every news microphone that Devin Nunes needs to testify in front of the committee???

JUST THINK ABOUT THIS TRUTH: nunes was the head lead for the repubs side in the recent impeachment inquiry and WITH ALL of these rumors, allegations and truths HE HIMSELF didn't think he needed to recuse himself from all of this! WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NOW THAT is one "EFFED" up at the very very least morally and ethically bankrupt and corrupt individual! simply for this truth!. a sane human could not even FATHOM this kind of person!

[quote]How come we don't have any howling monkeys like the repubs do? Their howling monkeys have been screaming about getting Schiff on the stand for weeks. Why don't we have our own howlers screaming into every news microphone that Devin Nunes needs to testify in front of the committee???

Because... Democrats know better. Democrats play by the rules. (eyes rolling uncontrollably)

Nunes should be having the BOOK thrown at him this morning. He should be walking in fear that he will be arrested.

Agree R510. Seems like the Democrats keep it all close to vest , gathering up all the evidence ,before they lower the boom. Devin Nunes must be feeling like the trapped rat that he is.

Arrested for what? Being an asshole?

WTF is Matt Gaetz sitting at the table? IS he a member of the Judiciary? I wish I had more confidence in Nadler. I hope this doesn't turn into a shit show.

R499 & R500 are onto something. Money Laundering,. Gambling. In any event if we could get some information photos, etc. from Nunes' Las Vegas trips I think that would impact public opinion. Hanging out in Vegas makes him look sleazy. I watch his eyes and his body language and I'm convinced he either has child porn on his computers or he's some other kind of pervert. Does he have kids? A wife? Media needs to get on the fucking bus. Nunes has EARNED scrutiny. WTF.

Why isn't there a new thread about the first day of the new hearings?

WTF. I love this Lady Law professor Pamela Karlan, reprimanding Collins. He's such a horrific asshole. Not Nunes, but worse than Gaetz in his own way.

She has passion and she is clear. She conveys the urgency the situation demands.

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