Adjacent Twink from Cornell University found dead at bottom of gorge

Gorge-ous, indeed.

He had a hot ass but couldn't live forever.

He looks middle eastern

What was playing on his TikTok?

the parents sound pretty accusatory toward the fraternity.

[quote] the parents sound pretty accusatory toward the fraternity.

Real Greek vs. Fake Greek. Doesn't sound pretty.

That's gotta suck — to raise and pay for a kid who gets into an Ivy League college but is enough of a dummy to get drunk and take a header into a gorge at the earliest opportunity.

Gay hookup gone wrong obviously!

He played soccer, so you know he had a nice ass.

What a monkey face and ears. He photographs like shit.

When I was in college an international student found dead with his pants down in one of the large empty fields. I knew the guy, he was one of this boisterous friends with everyone types. There must have been an investigation but the story was quickly forgotten. The other thing is I seemed the only one truly puzzled by it. A perfectly healthy guy went and died in a thicket with his pants down and nobody seemed to dwell on it very much. His parents flew his corpse home and nobody ever mentioned it again. Strange

[Quote]to raise and pay for a kid who gets into an Ivy League college

Bragging about going to an Ivy League college if that college is Cornell, is like bragging about moving to New York if you are living on Staten Island.

Sure it's technically true, but...

R10 I'm sure those are the least of his concerns now, Rose.

He probably fell when he was drunk. Case closed.

R12 is a proud graduate of Shopbottom U.

R10, he looked just fine. A classically Greek face if I've ever seen one.

Yep r14.

I doubt this was anything nefarious. He got really drunk, was stumbling around and ended up falling in.

People get blackout drunk and do dumb crazy shit all the time.

Doesn't Greta Thunberg say the world will end like 10 years ago? Maybe the stress did him in. Sad.

[quote] He probably fell when he was drunk. Case closed.

Way too straightforward an explanation for DL.

He was closeted because of his culture and hooked up with with the wrong dude.

I hope he was a top.

well that's just wrong!

He was far too old. It was his time.

Was it from vaping?

On his iPod?

One of the biggest problems with going to a university in the middle of nowhere is all people do is drink.

Ithaca is hundreds of miles from civilization

He said OK, Karen to the wrong bitch.

Oh, children.

They do have to die SOMETIME, don't they?

Another dumb kid who can't handle his alcohol.

I wonder if twinks in Europe die as frequently from alcohol deaths as American ones?

Why couldn't it have been an Ithaca communications major instead?

I've read that there are so many Cornell student suicides at the gorge they have had to put up some sort of cabling. Apparently it happens a lot.

R25 Wrong. All most people do at Cornell is study all the time. I went there. I know several people who go there now. It's a very intense place. Clearly, some people drink, but it's not a party school at all. This case is still being investigated. The parents are desperate for information, offering a reward. I don't think anyone can assume it was just an accident. So tragic.

R32, if the university is as intense as you've explained, I don't think the school curtailing partying and social events is the way to go. Kids will find a way to drink and party despite restrictions anyway. I know I did.

The truth of the matter is that Cornell has had a suicide problem where the gorges are concerned for decades. The parents are looking for someone to blame, but maybe deflecting the real problem. Suicide is the number two cause of death of students on college campuses. What’s interesting is the school spent millions of dollars to net off the gorges to prevent suicide, so either intentionally or accidentally something had to really go wrong for him to have died that way.

Here is a story about the netting setup at Cornell over the gorges. Ironically, the former head of suicide prevention at Cornell committed suicide by jumping out the window of a building in Philadelphia this past September.

So young

Sounds like a total power bottom.

R35, yikes!

It sounds like Cornell is cursed.

Hello gorges! Goodbye cruel world!

Serious question from someone who grew up in Florida... if gorges aren't wide or deep, why NOT just bulldoze a hill & use it to fill in the gorges? Or widen & dam one gorge, turn it into a reservoir-like lake, and use the excavated rock & dirt to fill in the OTHER gorges? Is Florida really the only place where we casually terraform terrain wholesale to make it how we want it to be, instead of settling for however it is?

It sounds like he was closeted and couldn't take it anymore. Hence, suicide.

He was cute. What a loss!

They haven't commented on the semen from 15 different guys found in his ass.

Was it hazing?

[quote] found dead at bottom of gorge...the cause of death remains a mystery.

Now, I'm no Columbo but I will go out on a limb and say falling into a gorge and landing at the bottom of thus gorge was probably the cause of death.

R8 CLEARLY, he was closeted and having an affair with the school's quarterback and threatened to out him.

Or is he not hot enough, DL?

[quote]if gorges aren't wide or deep, why NOT just bulldoze a hill & use it to fill in the gorges?

The gorges at Cornell are wide and deep. You can't fill them in. Fall Creek Gorge (about 200 ft.), which separates north campus, is presumably the ones people were jumping into. The fencing they put up is on the bridges; I'm not sure there are fences all along the gorge, which runs almost a mile (though not all of that is on campus). When I was there kids would fall in after drinking at fraternity parties; I remember one incident where a kid was running away from police who were there to suppress underage drinking; it was dark, there were no barriers, and in he went.

Not every late teen or early twenty-something man qualifies as a "twink." Only the GAY and willowy ones.

Really hot in R9. Soccer players are always consistently amazingly hot. Very sad loss of young life.

To think, he signed his own death certificate by signing the acceptance letter to go to Cornell. If he had only gone to another college, he would still be alive today. If only his grades had sucked, he would be alive today.

His grades DID suck!

Those Cornell gorges look beautiful...

I meant if his grades sucked even more and he had to go to community college or, God forbid, NYU, then he would still be alive today.

We did this story already, several weeks ago when it actually happened.

"Mysterious" Frat deaths are fast becoming as commonplace as school shootings.

Gorgeous gorge.

He was stupid sexy in that soccer pic. Always a shame when the world loses a hottie.

Has anyone claimed his dirty jockstraps?? Asking for a friend.

R41 I can't tell if you're joking with your suggestion that the stunning natural beauty of Ithaca should be destroyed and turned into what? A Disneyland-like faux park such as Orlando? Such ignorance is precisely why so much of America looks bland, fake, and unappealing. Don't forget to plant lots of grass to drain a limited water supply with endless watering. I just hope you're not a city planner. Bulldozing the gorges would also not prevent accidents or suicide or murder from happening in any number of other ways.

The gorge looks pretty.

[quote] Suicide is the number two cause of death of students on college campuses

Suicide is the second cause of death behind car accidents for young people any way, because young people don’t really die of illnesses.

[quote] Suicide is the number two cause of death of students on college campuses

Suicide is the second cause of death behind car accidents for young people any way, because young people don’t really die of illnesses.

R61, really?

Florida is in the top 20 states for suicide; New York isn’t. Maybe Florida could lower its rate by leaving nature alone.

Those Greek parents will never believe it's their son's fault.

R60 showed that there is a lake and stream in the gorge.

I’m reminded of the “smiley face killer” who is believed to have killed a number of young men in the Boston area, but also around the country. The young men typically have wandered off from their friends, inexplicably, and are found, days later, near or in a body of water, such as Boston Harbour. A “smiley face” graffiti has been found in the area of the bodies, hence the nickname. It’s been a large number of deaths.

I suspect their drinks are spiked with a strong drug that makes them discombobulated and suggestible.

Info on the smiley face killer.

R34, to be fair what do you expect to be the number 1 or 2 cause of death on a college campus if not suicide? Heart disease? COPD? End-stage-kidney disease? Stage IV cancer?

When people in their late teens and twenties die it's because of: auto accident, overdose, suicide (not necessarily in that order).

You forgot murder, r68.

Someone's invoking the ridiculous "Smiley Face Killer" theory because a young man was found dead near water? Plenty of people have died at Cornell, either falling into the gorge or jumping in.

He was pushed in after propositioning a jock and having sex, then failing to tell all the other frat boys in their dorm.

R 65 The parents are against the Greek system, they are going after the frats as responsible for the death, they are not defending the Fraternity?

I started the original thread on this incident. Also I went to Cornell. It's not easy to fall into a gorge. Jump, yeah, that can be done. If it's a suicide. But as a 1st semester freshman, he wouldn't have built up any angst about grades and failure, yet, so it's not a typical timing/scenario for a Cornell suicide.

Sad. Just a waste.

R68 I was interjecting that no one was mentioning that it might have been suicide, despite the fact that the death scene matched the situation of numerous suicides on campus and that the data of possible suicide highly supports that likelihood over murder or accident. No one seems to be looking at the obvious, displaced, outcasted, gay freshman in over his head commits suicide, if he was trans the numbers increases even more for suicide attempt.

This young man wouldn't be "displaced, outcasted, gay freshman" on an Ivy Campus. Hello?

He looks like Marco the effeminate gay male from DeGrassi The Next Generation

He was a Xanax addict who ran out and couldn't cope with the withdrawals, so he jumped into a gorge.

Were you too coy to use the ridiculous "white-adjacent" to describe this Mediterranean man, OP?

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r69 went to Hudson University.

DLers often forget the world is not the same as back when they were young r75.

I never heard of the gorges at Cornell -- all I knew about the university was its fascinating Cornell Lab Of Ornithology website. Once again, DL has educated me about something I didn't even know I was ignorant about -- thanks!

I"m guessing people choose Cornell because they are suicidal.

The shocking thing about Cornell is that it is a Land Grant school. How a Land Grant school became an Ivy is shocking, it may have well gone to Haverford or Villanova or even Boudin for Christ sake.

It's not shocking Harvard was created by the General Court of Massachusetts, not some rich guy.

Being drunk in an area, you are not 100% familiar with, can be quite deadly. I mean all it takes is him having to pee and he goes off the street to take a leak, and ...

[quote] Someone's invoking the ridiculous "Smiley Face Killer" theory

Datalounge has long put that theory to rest and replaced it with the Cookie Sniffing Killer theory.

[quote] R 65 The parents are against the Greek system,

The parents are invoking their own Greek system of justice...

Typical DL racism R65

R89, ummm, I'm Italian, and I could be the 100% proven AntiChrist, and my parents would still twist themselves into pretzels of denial.

r59, in my defense, I've never (knowingly) seen a 'gorge' in my life. I googled 'gorge', and saw photos that looked like big overgrown drainage ditches. Hence, my impression that gorges are just inconvenient blights on the landscape that get in the way and cause problems (like people falling in) & should just be filled in.

R57's pic certainly does change that impression.

R59, you have to remember... for the most part, for most of the year, "the outdoors" in Florida are completely miserable. There's a good reason why Florida had statistically no population prior to air conditioning & the start of large-scale terraforming in the early 1900s... it was basically uninhabitable. We don't value natural environments, precisely because OUR raw, natural environment is so awful.

Another dead bottom.

Did he have stinky feet?

The gay angle (he was closeted, stressed, etc.) strikes me as weird. Possible, yes, but everything I’ve heard about Cornell is that it’s a very open and gay-friendly environment. Ithaca is known as one of the most liberal/progressive small college towns, no?

He had a kind face.

R90 absolutely. Next his Nonna will chip in with how he was a good boy but wasn’t eating enough, only 5 full meals a day and how she should have given him more food to take home. At least this is my kids Nonna.

R82, you can combine the two things by going birdwatching in the gorges.

R97, lol.

R97, that sounds like a wonderful way to pass time -- if I ever find myself in Ithaca, I'd love to try it. Not while drunk, and being careful to watch my footing, of course....

R99, you won't fall to your death if you're IN the gorge. Try Taughannock in the summer when you can walk up the dry riverbed to the falls—I've seen bald eagles there. And of course you'll have to go the Ornithology Lab's Sapsucker Woods, particularly during migration. I'd also recommend Stewart Park (the end of Cayuga Lake) for ducks and geese when it's not frozen.

Gorges can be GORGEOUS.

I've hiked along this famous one in Crete. They all have a river running along the bottom and this one has pines and cypress trees and cute mountain goats, too.

I didn’t want to link it, but on the Fox News website the parents were on Fox and Friends and it says that his body was found in the University Botanical Gardens?

Cornell and gorge suicides aren't exactly an unknown pheonommnenomnomenone.

The "Botanical Garden" eg Cornell Plantations is kind of upstream from that gorge. Maybe it technically covers the first part of the gorge - just the cliff and Fall Creek bed.

If his body was found in the Botanical Gardens then his death had nothing to do with a gorge. They run alongside Beebe Lake, and there's a slope, but I don't recall any place you could actually fall in to your death—unless maybe he fell and hit his head on something.

I recall it being rather steep and forested behind the Human Ecology and Ag Quad along Beebe Lake but yes no gorge.

What are the parents braying about on TV? Suicide, accident or foul play, how will Fox help?

The parents want answers.

Sad. Good looking kid. Terrible for his parents. Hope it was painless kiddo.

Okay, I don't know where the report that he was found in the Botanical Garden on campus came from but the campus paper reported that he was found in the gorge "near Ithaca Falls" after he was last seen at a Phi Kappa Psi party. The Phi Kappa Psi house is not next to the gorge, it's down Stewart Avenue a ways, and Ithaca Falls is a few blocks downstream from that bridge.

If his parents are the kind of people who'd go on "Fox and Friends," he's probably better off.

But was he a person who loved people?