Dateline Genoa City: Second Chances and Thirsty Theos

Prior thread

Theo? Stay dressed, dude.

SPOILER:

[quote] Theo inserts himself into Kyle's territory.

Is this when we hear JaBottom protest, "No, no! .. Yes! .. Wait! Stop! .. Good gawd! Keep going! .. It feels sooo good!"

Sharon Case in NYC with Gina.

[quote] I adore you Gina!!! I am so thrilled to spend this evening with you in #nyc miss you💋💋❤️!

Isn't that IG post going to hurt Stafford's feelings?

R4 What a beautiful lesbian couple!

R5 I suspect for Sharon that's a side benefit to her reunion with a good friend!

More exciting news ....

Chrissy's hair will be looking more normal.

R4

TIIC were so stupid to dump Gina for Stafford.

My new almost nephew is burning up the screen.

R9 Bringing Staff back has certainly done NOTHING for ratings:

Total viewers during Gina's last week on the show: 3,966,000

18-49W Demo: 401,000

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November 4-8 total viewers: 3,665,000

Meanwhile, Women 18-49 Viewers!

1. GH 322,000 (+34,000/+5,000)

2. B&B 321,000 (-12,000/-34,000)

3. Y&R 311,000 (-30,000/-114,000)

4. DAYS 281,000 (+3,000/-34,000)

The announcement that Mal Young was exiting came last December.

Should we expect the current regime's dismissal in a few weeks?

Or at least the addition of a new co-head writer to "help" Griffith?

We can only hope.

There have been a few okay changes, but there still needs to be something to make it all gel together. A few boring characters need to go, and this show needs a thirsty shit stirring younger female character to stir everything up.

Hans: "Guess who I ran into?" BRENDA EPPERSON ( ASHLEY)! Was so nice to see her!

What's up? .. Is Cane the con artist that Nina labeled him?

They were right to bring Staff back. Michelle IS Phyllis. Too bad they’re giving her practically nothing to do. Why can’t Phyllis completely own the hotel? Abby already has the restaurant. And there’s really no use for Chelsea having any part of it. Overall it’s the boring storylines that’s killing the show.

The Bell shows seem to be hacking away at budgets.

At B&B they just let Patrick Mulcahey - probably the best writer B&B ever had - go, so that show will soon lose whatever small about of humanity that made it bearable all together.

Josh G is boring us to death at Y&R, and it seems like the let's blow shit up faction and the let's spotlight history factions are fighting.

[quote] At B&B they just let Patrick Mulcahey go ...

Hmmm ... Maybe Mulcahey can come over to Y&R to "help" Griffith out. .. He and Griffith were both at "Santa Barbara" during the soap's heyday. .. Steve Kent at Sony would know. He was one of the producers of the show.

R17

B&B did not let PM go. He left of his own accord.

R19 Officially, yes, but things are dire at B&B.

They ought to continue streaming the soaps during the impeachment hearings. It's not 1974.

Santa Barbara SWEPT the Emmys in 1989, didn't they?

After decades I finally took YR off my TiVO. Call me when we get a new HW and when the show quits being the Adam/Chelsea/Connor/Nick Show.

Mark Grossman is the reason I started watching Y&R again after a ten-year absence. He is the only reason I continue to watch.

They did such a great job casting Mark Grossman. That's why this Chance recast is such a bust. How could the person who found Grossman think Danny Boaz is acceptable?

I don't mind Donny Boaz, but Chance is a new character to me. I was not watching when he was on before. I do wonder if Donny's last name rhymes with the speaker brand, or if it's pronounced "BO-azz."

I wouldn’t mind Boaz either, if he were playing an age appropriate character. Maybe someone like Greg Foster or Victor’s brother or maybe even a recast Snapper.

Having Amanda practice her legal defense of Nate on the patio of Crimson Lights was hilarious ... well, almost as hilarious as that bad wig they have Mishael Morgan wearing.

Did social influencer, Theo, go out and get a (bad) spray tan? He looked ochre today.

Danny Boaz is so average. Are they trying to lure Steve Burton (Dylan McAvoy) fans?

Looks like Le Bug will be making a holiday appearance.

[quote] Officially, yes, but things are dire at B&B.

This reminds me that about a year or so ago (?) Jacob Young did an interview where he said something about Brad Bell having turned the show over to two newer/younger members of his writing team, who, in Young's opinion, "don't understand how to write a soap." .. (To me that looked to be Adam Dusevoir and Frank Pinicotti - the two guys on far right and far left in the photo link.) .. If veteran Mulcahey didn't like the environment, then maybe he's been waiting for his contract to end to get out. As I recall, he walked away from Santa Barbara when Conboy came in because he wanted nothing to do with his vision of the soap.

So does Paris mean no more Theo?

R31 It sounds like Aunt Jack's on a mission to prevent Theo from going. Why he would give two shits is the real question. He's probably just miffed because Ashley is behind it, and he wants to one-up her..

Maybe Jack just wants a piece of Theo. I know I do. He looks like the type who rails the fuck out of you and then wipes his cock on your brand new duvet.

When did "rail = fuck" happen?

I don't think I ever heard it before last week, and now it's everywhere.

"Rail" has been around for awhile.

Why would Ashley care about Theo one way or another? It’s all designed to make the Abbotts go ohhhh he’s blood. He needs to stay and we will hire him at Jabot.

R34 I know Corbin Fisher has been using the term in the titles and descriptions of their videos for going on a decade now (e.g. "Reece Rails Rudy" ca. 2011).

Was Y&R on today?

Thanks for the railformation, r37. I guess I don't watch enough porn.

r34.

R36 I think they're trying to paint that Ashley "empathizes" with Theo as something of an "outsider," because she exists due to Dina cheating on John and fucking Brent -- just like Theo's father (and therefore Theo himself) exists due Dina cheating on John and fucking Stuart.

If they looked around Europe, they might be able to start a club with a half dozen more members.

R34, "rail" is used by drugged out whores.

Like Dina!

I wouldn't be surprised if Corbin Fisher got that from watching Y&R.

Who can forget the CBS Soaps In Depth headline, "ADAM RAILS RAFE !!"

Why all the hate for Theo (Tyler Johnson)? I think he's pretty sexy, and he's much better looking than that troll who played Theo in the beginning.

I don't hate Theo.

But truth is, if picked up and left tomorrow, I wouldn't care.

And that's really the issue for me: Indifference.

Now, if we knew that Theo getting under Kyle's skin actually had to do with the two of them having hooked-up at some point back in NYC, then we might have something.

But no. They're too timid to write something different and interesting.

R42 The first one (if I remember correctly) was a more clean-cut twink but couldn't act. The current Theo looks like he smells, so I don't find him attractive at all.

R44 The first one (Nic Luken) looked like he should be hanging out with the Charlie and Maddie crowd.

I never saw the Theo in r45. The one they have now looks as if he bathes monthly and makes up for it with generous applications of Axe. Not a good look. Not a good smell.

And not matter how hard he's scrubbed, JaBottom can still smell the scent of Theo on his body.

R47 No wonder he's so bothered by Theo! His stench is triggering!

That's what they should have done, r47, in order for Jabottom's Theo hatred to make sense. I would still allow for it, but not for much longer.

R46 Blink and you missed him. I think he did two episodes. In the first one, he did appear in about three scenes, but in the second one, he might as well have been an underfive.

I guess it won't ever be mentioned again about Adam once fucking a man and convincing him that he had feelings for him.

Here is old Theo from the 5/9 episode. Too young looking. And he wasn't a good actor.

R51 I could see that being mentioned again in about five years when Johnny Abbott and Christian Newman are both SORASed to high school age and begin dating.

Mischievous Johnny will get on the internet and pull up the "scandalous" exposé appearing in "Restless Style" that his own publisher-father, Billy, wrote about Adam during that time and show it to Christian: "See Chris, your dad liked cock too! .. And have you seen that Rafe Torres guy lately? .. What a hot Latin daddy! .. We should take his Introduction to Business Law class when we we're at GCU."

[quote]I don't hate Theo. But truth is, if picked up and left tomorrow, I wouldn't care. And that's really the issue for me: Indifference.

This describes my relationship with the whole damn show. I like Theo, too. I like that he causes tension with Kyle and I like that he's now part of the legacy families. And I wish TPTB could be less concerned about driving away its dying base and doing something to attract new, younger viewers. What have they got to lose?

It can't be that hard to find an actor who's decent and hot, and yet they keep casting these weird looking guys.

Theo's kinda hot but bland as fuck and nuChance looks like shoe leather.

I had to laugh when Aunt Jack asked Theo, "How would you feel working UNDER Kyle?"

Was waiting for Theo to say, "No problem, sir. Reverse cowboy is one of your son's favorite positions!"

Anyway Theo and JaBottom forced to burn the midnight oil on some project is a porn reel waiting to happen.

Aren't the writers planning a Theo/Lola hookup?

They should have pregnant Lola walk in on Theo and Kyle fucking on a desk at Jabot when she decides to surprise them with a late-night snack at work.

It would be new rendition of pregnant Patty Williams showing up at Jabot and seeing Real Jack and Dianejenkins going at it. Patty ran off in tears and tripped over a potted plant, causing her to miscarry.

What was that scene with Amanda near the end of Friday's episode meant to show?

Amanda had already said good-night to Nate and getting on the elevator to her hotel room, then suddenly, they show her in some bar looking at songs on a juke box.

The hot lumbersexual who walked past her in his flannel shirt and shearling vest made it look like she was in a gay western bar.

R59, Could the song she played on the jukebox have been a favorite of Devon and Hilary's?

Is Amanda really Hilary?

As good a casting job as they did with Mark Grossman as Adam, I'm just not liking this Danny Boaz as Chance.

Theo was not written as likable at first. He was arrogant and annoying. It was meant to be an irritant.

But apparently TPTB liked what Tyler Johnson was doing, so in mid Sept or so, they started writing Theo as a more sympathetic and likable character. It started with the scene where Theo fainted in Lola's kitchen at the sight of blood.

That's when they started setting things up for him to eventually become part of the extended Abbott family. I even commented on one of these Y&R threads that I was suddenly liking Theo more after seeing that fainting scene.

[quote] I'm just not liking this Danny Boaz as Chance.

Yeah, he's not doing well at all.

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Sashay, chante!

Michael Melor was on today's Price is Right, serving as a product model. He showed off a car and a meat smoker. A few other things too.

He was adequate at it, but clearly had never done it before.

Have there been any male price is right models who one could convincingly say is 100% straight?

[quote] Michael Melor...showed off a car and a meat smoker.

Well of course he did.

I need a meat smoker.

I love smoking meats!

Monday is "La Bergman Day".

R66 Why was he doing that? To promote Y&R?

Speaking of smoked meats....

R67 If Drew interviews them personally, then probably not.

Wasn't it pretty much a given that he was "Tubby Pay Stub" - the guy who will sleep with anything - in Ted Casablanca's blind items?

R72, They often have Y&R and B&B actors on to be prize model of the day. Last week they had Matthew "Thomas Forrester" Atkinson on and Daniel Goddard recently.

Saw the addition of James Harmon Brown to the associate head writers' screen last week. I know nothing about him, but he's sometimes been a co-head writer at other (now-canceled) soaps.

Wow. Jim Brown is in his 70s. His wife Barbara Esensten cowrote a few soaps with him, including GL, and died a while back.

Wondering if him surfacing on YR means Josh G is on his way out?

Poor Justin (ex-Adam) just can't find the right woman!

Were Brown and Esensten married?

Or did they just write together?

I think they were just colleagues.

Peter Bergman talks 30 years of Jack.

and a few years of AMC...huh.

Maloney begins his article with the moniker, "Smiling Jack" ?? .. I still think of Terry whenever I hear that.

Honey! Doug Davidson 's toupe is getting dragged for filth tonight. Why is he such a messy cunt? Or will he once again claim to have been hacked?

CLB congratulated Days on its renewal & DD shaded the fuck out of it. When folks clapped back he doubled down.

The fire of multi-soaps rained down on his ass.

Can we finally get rid of him & let Papi JV become the Chief?

Was he hacked again R82?

Is he dweeting again?

He'll find himself on parking ticket duty if he's not careful.

R79 You're right, they were just writing partners. My apologies!

R77/86, no worries. I used to think it myself when I'd see them credited together; they LOOK like they coulda been married.

I remember reading it once that they weren't and it just stuck.

But I'm a professional.

Trivia: the late Barbara Esensten's daughter casts Dancing WIth the Stars.

when Y&R had an event at the Paley the moderator from the NY Times listed all of Bergman's many stories, the Emmys, influence on the show and then he says, or as we call you at my house, "the new Jack."

Bergman laughed about it and was good natured, but I'm sure he breathed a sigh when he learned of Lester's passing. He was never going to come back given his treatment of Lauralee, but never say never.

Isn't it 'Smilin' Jack'?

R89 That's personally what I think, as that's the way it's pronounced. .. But up at R81, I was quoting how Maloney's article had it.

So yesterday was just Peter Bergman reminiscing about shit from 30 years ago. Why would anyone watch that crap. I turned it off after 15 minutes. Puke.

[quote] I turned it off after 15 minutes. Puke.

Dear Gawd In Heaven ... If I have to watch Aunt Jack try to be all butch by throwing that chair out the skyscraper window one more time ....

Exactly. Watching him claw his way out of Nikki's huge vagina was the last straw.

Essenstein and Brown were drunks who wrote GL scripts after marathon drinking sessions in NYC bars and restaurants. Rauch loved them!

Team Billy Miller.

Billy Miller would bring back at least 500,000 lapsed viewers with him.

Make that 499,999, r96. On days when Adam is written out, in particular.

Is the character really needed other than being tied to Victoria? They probably won’t get rid of him, but if Miller came back they would have to give him something major to do. The show is so lackluster now, I’m sure Miller wouldn’t give them the time of day. Thompson is such a one note actor and rarely smiles. He pretty much fits how boring the show has become.

With an actor like Billy Miller in the role, Billy Abbott would be a major force. He is actually the heir to Terry Lester's Jack. They just shackled him to that awful Victoria recast. I could see Billy's Billy with Amanda or liven up that Summer character or maybe he could start throwing pipe up into Nikki and watch Jill's head explode.

He could throw pipe into all the lonely bitches of Genoa City. That would be his whole raison d'etre! And the bitches hole's raisin d'etre.

R99

Billy Miller would do nothing to the role. He sleepwalks & emotes nothing but disdain.. He has no desire to be on daytime.. Jason Thompson gives it his all even when he's paired with the wet mop known as Heinle

[quote] Billy Miller would bring back at least 500,000 lapsed viewers with him.

Prolapsed, maybe

He would prefer to be in primetime and film, true. But don't judge him by GH. He was lied to and played with over there. Basically he gave them only what they deserved after a million broken promises.

Jason Thompson can emote or act no better than a fucking mannequin. Who are you trying to kid? Everything about him is flat and emotionless. I hate his voice and everything about him. He and Michael Mealor are equal in their suckitude and neither can act.

I've never warmed to Thompson's take on the character, but by the time Miller exited, I'd also grown weary of his grinning walk-through.

Oh, and Soapdirt is total clickbait.

So, Theo and Lola will become a thing and Kyle and Summer will reunite?

R103

What a load of bullshit. IDGAF if he didn't get a storyline he felt worthy of his "great" talent. He was being paid to act whatever the fuck was on the page. And spare me the boo hoo hoo that Billy was lied to. It's a fucking business & he's just a cog in the machine.

[quote] Billy Miller would bring back at least 500,000 lapsed viewers with him.

Waitasec! Wasn't Staph supposed to do that?

Jun 10-14: Total viewers 3,969,000

Nov 4-9: Total viewers 3,665,000

Ooops! Down -300,000 now

I saw on Twitter that Max Ehrlich has joined Only Fans

Are things so dire he's selling pics of his hole & his cock?

M.E. is a nutcase always shrieking about gay panic. Forget him.

r109

what?? and what's the link

$3.99 a month .. LOL!

M.E.'s agent should advise him that he'd probably be able to make much more money (not to mention possible contacts) by being a prvate escort at one of the elite agencies in town.

Exclusive content AND personal shoutouts for only $3.99 a month!!!!!

So the Summer/Billy slept together reveal has never been exposed to Nick, Victoria? Is this show so stupid they wouldn't play that out? Summer's sudden lust for Kyle away from Billy was a major blunder.

[quote]M.E. is a nutcase always shrieking about gay panic.

Then he must have been shrieking throughout his run at Y&R given who were playing his father and uncle.

Maybe that's the reason he didn't return to Y&R this time last year. Worried about certain people making a play for him.

M.E. had an EVIL GAY STALKER!

M.E. also made it known how much he loves to eat pussy and what a pussy hound he is.

Don't be silly. Chrissy and his husbear entertained ME (along with TB) down in New Orleans a few years ago, where a good time was had by all. And GR is happily married to his sexy guy.

They're all friends. Just friends.

And he'd hang with the fun crowd at the Daytime Emmys.

R112

He doesn't have to looks to be an escort.

R108, exactly.

We KNOW what brought in the ratings.

Story.

From 1987-89, Y&R lost Brenda Dickson, Eileen Davidson, and Terry Lester.

In 1994, the ratings were up to 9.1 and 'all' Victor did was walk into the Colonnade Room after being presumed dead.

Bill knew how to pace and write; he had everyone tuning in to see everyone's reaction -- particularly Nikki, Jack and Vicki's.

R110 Does ME shreik every time he has a meeting with his agent, Mr. Chazz?

Those shoes are so special.

R119 He'd have tremendous appeal among clientele with an armpit fetish.

R120, here; I didn't make my full point in my post Y&R lost three huge players in the late 80s, like legendary ones and the show thrived b/c it had great story in place.

Stafford has done zilch since her return. The show is not telling good story. They're not really telling ANY story. I caught the day that Kyle and Lola were so blandly amused that they weren't preggers.

Bo-ring.

I'm not a fan of recasting so frequently; the revolving Noahs of a decade ago gave me whiplash.

BUT I have to saw I prefer Zack Tinker to Max what'sisname.

Zack's adorable; and Max's social media turned me off to him big time.

[quote] The show is not telling good story. They're not really telling ANY story

Amen.

I saw the day they had some big to do at Abby's new restaurant and everyone's conversations were so fucking boring I wanted to die.

Personally, I think they should give the show to Brad Bell. Let him write it. It's well known that he wants it, but CBS and Sony won't give it to him.

SPOILERS:

[quote] Jill calls Devon for help. Devon foresees trouble on the horizon. Colin returns to Genoa City and implicates Cane in the will scam. Cane is backed into a cornered. Devon and Cane have a showdown.

Daniel Goddard tweeted last week that he only has two episodes left. Are they really going to make Cane the scammer? If so, TPTB really would seem like they're out to screw him.

R126 If you believe what Jacob Young said about B&B, it doesn't sound like Brad Bell does much of the writing. And ever since daddy left, that show has seemed like a repetitious, musical chairs mess. I'd hate to see what he'd do given a full hour of storyline. He's also king of announcing big plans for some new or returning actor(s), then failing to deliver on it with the character(s) soon being jettisoned.

But could it get any worse R128. I say give Brad a shot.

But you're missing the point, R129. Brad isn't even writing B&B and he's terribly one note. An hour of Brad Bell would be ten times worse than any of the other folks they've had lately.

The problem is that most of the writers who really knew how to write soaps in a suspensful, balanced way are either dead or retired, and the ones still around are unwilling to take the job for what little they pay HWs nowadays. It's a thankless fucking job, with advertisers and the network on one side and an increasingly shrinking pool of viewers on the other. Long term story is impossible to write when half the cast is recurring.

And I guess you're missing mine, R130, that no one has been able to get the "voice" of this show right since Bell died. They threw it all out the window when Chuck Pratt came aboard, some might say way way before that. Either way we are at the point now where this show is going through HWs at an insane rate. We are going to have to agree to disagree about Brad. The networks want to keep up the status quo, they don't want to invest in developing new talent. The rumor is that James Harmon Brown is the next headwriter and he's 70. If they don't give it to Brad, the should take a chance and give it Jamey Giddens, but they won't do something that radical.

Well, we can agree to disagree, I get what you're saying but just don't think Brad is the answer. But I do think Giddens is talented (as much as we have made fun of him on the DL) and getting him on board would be a good idea.

I'm surprised Sara Bibel and some of the other writers are still there, after Mal Young I would think they had PTSD.

can you have an onlyfans page AND say you're being stalked?

R133 Of course, the stalker isn't a paying customer!

R126, really?

It couldn't hurt.

He knows the characters and would throw work to any of his father's remaining writers.

This all started when Babs Bloom brought in Lynn Latham to replace Jack Smith, who knew how to write like Bill.

Why do the couple of British soaps still work? I always felt the problem was when the daytime soaps tried to knock off the nighttime style, particularly these big mega corporations. I remember when you barely knew the nature of the rich characters' fortunes. Nobody cared. They were just people with problems, in better clothes. And people rarely came back from the dead.

[quote]Babs Bloom brought in Lynn Latham to replace Jack Smith, who knew how to write like Bill.

Which made the show watchable on a daily basis for the first time since I encountered it in 1988.

Brad Bell is a fucking hack. No way should he be rewarded with his dad's crown jewel.

JG need to be axed but Bell would be an equal disaster.

[quote]Jason Thompson can emote or act no better than a fucking mannequin.

Well, you’re certainly wrong there. His performance on GH when Robin died was heartbreaking. He was so good you would’ve thought that he and Kimberly McCullough really had an intimate relationship.

R139 I hate him like I hate death. No video from a turdbrain is gonna change that.

R139 Jason was great as Patrick but he's merely adequate as Billy.

Was that the NEW opening?

R142 Well, there was ONE NEW insert featuring Madame Mergeron (Marla Adams) as well as the one of Beth Maitland (Traci) that debuted a few weeks ago.

r142 Was Mark Grossman in it?

Even though the show was on today, it isn't on cbs.com yet, at 6:42. It's usually up at 5:05. So I haven't seen it.

Michael Mealor has been on the show 18 months now and still hasn't made the opening credits.

Meanwhile Sasha Calle, who only started as Lola a year ago, has been in the opening credits since about July.

R144 Are you talking about the episode or the opening credits? Mark (Adam) was in neither on Monday. The whole episode is about Jack and mainly the Abbott family, with a few others thrown in during flashbacks. .. And that's why they had Dina and Traci in the opening credits. .. On that note, Mark has said that he's done his shot for the main titles, but they haven't screened it yet. .. It appears the new clips for the missing cast members are being released rather scattershot.

R146, r142 asked "Was that the NEW opening?"

I had read earlier somewhere, possibly on DL, that new opening credits were coming. And, like you, I read about Mark having his picture taken for his opening credit slide. I've been waiting and waiting, both to see him and a new opening credit sequence, hopefully one that will no longer feature everyone in NYE drag.

[quote]It appears the new clips for the missing cast members are being released rather scattershot.

In fairness, they're so broke, somebody's kid puts them together on iMovie in her spare time.

Someone here on DL said a completely new opening credits sequence would debut September.

We're at the end of the November now and they're still using that tired old opening.

R147 I already explained to R142 in my response at R143 that it wasn't an entirely new opening, but just a new clip of Dina that was inserted.

At this point, I get the idea that a brand new style of opening is not coming and that was just a confused rumor based on actors going in to shoot these new insert clips. It wouldn't make much sense for them to be wasting time and money updating these old opening credits, if something entirely new was in the works. - jmho

Of course, on that note, nothing makes much sense at Y&R lately, so who knows?

R148 oh you vicious lil cunt! Yous nasty.

TPTB think it's okay if they show us Hans and Miss Piggy coming at us every damn day. I'm so sick of their opening shots.

And what's their obsession with Grimes and Boredwell. Neither are huge draws, yet they're both featured in the opening far too much.

I miss the days of Hell is for Children when no one gave a fuck about kids. All we here about every fucking day is Conner this, Conner that. I doubt anyone gives a fuck about this annoying little turd.

[quote]Boredwell

I'd love to see Bardwell in the opening credits.

^ is she back? Or coming back? I hate to say it because I remember how Gloria (and her spawn) ate and ruined the show for a while there, but when she and Jack had their thing going, they were hilarious. Real chemistry between Bergman and Chapman. They worked well.

R155 Chrissy put this photo up a few days ago and teased "HOME FOR THE HOLIDAYS #BALDWIN-FISHERS". So with GloHo not being included in his photo, it doesn't look like she'll be around for Christmas. Stupid to not bring her back.

[quote]At this point, I get the idea that a brand new style of opening is not coming

I'm waiting for the call. Pencils and sketchpad are ready.

Sandy has an interesting IG. He put this post about Y&R up back in April

Who was the "asshole"? Wes Kenney?

[quote] Real chemistry between Bergman and Chapman. They worked well.

Unfortunately, I think La Bergman has the Robert S. Woods/Don Stewart sickness: he believes his sixty something character should be paired with a 28 year old ingenue, to preserve his reputation and *cough* virility.

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Muriel, please nuke R160

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Does anyone remember the wind blowing theme?

R163 Only slightly "less worse" than the billowing red satin sheet and horrific saxophone musak with actors spinning toward us on a conveyor belt.

This show needs a dose of Gloria. All Stafford is doing is some mustache-twirling villain routine off in the sidelines.

They should force Gloria and Phyllis to plot together. Maybe some of Gloria's sense of humor will rub off on dead fish Phyllis.

[quote]I remember how Gloria (and her spawn) ate and ruined the show for a while there

One of the few times I've been able to watch this show on a daily basis.

Gloria was a strongly flavored character that was not to everyone's taste.

But now, we have so many characters with no flavor at all. The entire younger generation of Y&R is so bland as to sink into the wallpaper. No one is really memorable or sticks out. Abby and Lola the cure for insomnia.

Theo isn't even being remotely subtle about reading his lines from cue cards.

I thought soaps did away with cue cards and prompting for budget reasons.

R170 Y&R fired the two cue card boys back in 2002.

The one guy still does cue cards & prompting for Wheel of Fortune.

R137, I'm sure her stuff comes off like Upstairs Downstairs compared to what's on today, but LML has a habit of quitting after a short amount of time.

She burned through lots of story, which is her right, but the show was never the same after her impact.

Did we really need the opening shots of the waiters walking through restaurants cut? Did we really need the break room and the cave in at Clear Springs?

R171, Were they cute cue card boys? Did the cute cue card boys enjoy eating cucumbers under cumulus clouds?

They were called Cue Card Charlies and walked around in jockstraps. Melody and Chrissie LB were their biggest fans.

[quote]She burned through lots of story

That is one of the issues when you get writers from other genres who don't quite understand how daytime works. They are used to a night time pace so they just go through story after story.

Quite frankly I'm old enough to remember when soap opera stories unfolded over months, not weeks. When 2 or 3 episodes a week were nothing but recap of the A & B stories and simple, quiet character building moments among the supporting cast. Something big didn't have to happen every day. And most of the shows just built to Friday with some sort of resolution on Monday.

But, alas... times have changed and the audience has changed with it.

The other shows went down different paths and played with the genre and brought in other elements and mixed elements, but Y&R remained true, classic soap opera longer than anyone else, which is probably why it has struggled so much since Bell stepped down. And which is why, in spite of remaining #1 (because of time slot IMO), it has never been able to recapture what made it so great.

There is no one left who knows how to properly do or wants to do old fashioned soap opera and that's kind of why Y&R worked.

LML wrote an exciting show with lots of character interaction.

Nick cheating with Phyllis is one of the show's best couplings.

The Newman break room was a great set.

LOVED The Reliquary!!!

MAB ruined Y&R, not LML.

[quote]There is no one left who knows how to properly do or wants to do old fashioned soap opera and that's kind of why Y&R worked.

Sally Susman Morina's recent run is the closest thing we've seen in the last 20 years to the old fashioned soaps of the 60s and 70s. She tried to mimic Bill Bell by slowing things down. And we were all bored to death! At the same time, her stories lacked the compelling must-see pizzazz that made Bell's stories worth the wait.

THE ABBOTT BREAKFASTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peter Bergman is often likeable but more often I find him cringingly hammy. He's always fucking crying. Happy Jack, sad Jack, post orgasm Jack, breakfast Jack boo fucking hoo. Sometimes I wish Patty would come back and finish him off.

I've always hated Jack, even when The Gay was playing him.

The Abbott Breakfasts were fine as a once a month thing. Which is what they should have been.....a great time to add some character shades or a little time together.

They did not, however, a storyline make.

Problem is, shows think they should do all one or the other, instead of a balance of both.

R173 The one cue card boy was cute. He'd been doing the cards since the mid-80s up until 2002. Kind of a hot silver daddy now. Lives with his fella who's an executive at Fedex and coach at Equinox.

The reliquary shit was universally panned and was horrible. You really have no taste.

[quote] Nick cheating with Phyllis is one of the show's best couplings.

Which was Sally's contribution prior to Latham's 'scorched earth policy' to get of the Bill Bell folk.

Reliquary story was so laughable.

One time art student Boretoria was using beads from Michael's craft store and Elmer's glue to fashion a fake reliquary to fool the thieves. Meanwhile, Brad or should I say "George" was choking Nazi's with his thighs.

Are they planning a Tracy/Hepburn thing with Abby/Chance?

[quote] Peter Bergman is often likeable but more often I find him cringingly hammy. He's always fucking crying. Happy Jack, sad Jack, post orgasm Jack, breakfast Jack boo fucking hoo. Sometimes I wish Patty would come back and finish him off.

Aunt Jack's repertoire includes Joan Crawford, Susan Hayward, Lana Turner, and the occasional Myrna Loy, etc. ... and of course, Vivian Leigh, whenever he needs to "Save Jabot," which plays the role of "Tara".

R177

SSM deserved to be fired & her writing was shit In her exit interview she admitted to not having plotted out any story. There was no planning on how to get from today to 3 months in advance or 6 months in advance. She wrote by the seat of her pants & admitted she changed long standing motivation without reading up on what that transpired since she had last been on YR.

Trash

R186

Turn in your gay card if you even think of using the analogy of Boredway & Hepburn.

SSM wanted to push that "fluidity" agenda.

I can't see the cue cards.....get them uip......get them up!

Thursday SPOILER:

[quote] Adam and Chance discuss their past.

Okay this could be fun.

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Adam: Look Chance, I've already told you, it was a one-off. You need to forget about that night.

Chance: Is that the same thing you told Rafe?

Adam: Well, there's a thought! Maybe you should look Rafe up. I'm sure he could put you in touch with an Alpha top .. or two.

Chance: Who do you think you're fooling? Don't forget. I have contacts at the FBI. .. Let's see now. What was the name of that studio you worked at to help pay for Harvard? "Brokeback Farm Boys" or something? .. You may have been able to buy them out and destroy all the videos when you were CEO at Newman, but the porn compliance records for "Victor Wilson" still exist at the DOJ.

Adam: Is that supposed to be some kind of threat?

Chance: No. It just means you should consider what I'm offering.

Adam: And what pray tell is that?

Chance: I'll start dating your sister, Abby, then you and I can get close and become like bros, maybe even future in-laws. No one would be suspicious if we start hanging out and going on weekend fishing trips together.

Adam: Fishing trips? Really?

Chance: Okay. Movie dates. Obscure foreign films with subtitles.

Adam: Here's a better idea. You start dating Abby and coax her into pegging you. She seems open to a little kink, so just go for it.

[ PHYLLIS THEN BARGES INTO THE PENTHOUSE ]

Phyllis: What's going on here? I can tell something's going on between the two of you. Well? IS ONE OF YOU GOING TO TELL ME WHAT'S GOING ON? .. And don't tell me you're making secret plans to go to the Danny Romalotti concert up in Duluth and not take me.

[ PHYLLIS THEN BARGES INTO THE PENTHOUSE WITH HER STRAP ON ON]

So that was it for DG today? Another board is claiming he refused to shoot final exit scenes?

R194 yes. He posted on instagram today was the last day. Cane vowed to get justice for Devon when Colin implicated Cane in the scam and then Colin revealed he was able to clear Canes bank account of the money, so his father has all the money now. Devon will probably get the money back, and Cane will probably move to be closer to the twins. My guess. Kind of a shitty exit, but I never liked the character anyway.

R192

Nothing with Adam or Chance will ever be "Fun" to me.

Snapper and Greg are gone, Boomer at R196.

Speaking of LML and this exit for Cane, is "Ethan 'Hurricane' Ashby" the last of her abominable creations to finally be erased from the canvas?

Here is my controversial and probably unpopular opinion about Daniel Goddard. Personally, I don't blame him for having a problem with Cane being in a romance with Tracey. You have 65 year old Jack and 75 year old Victor getting young hotties every other season and then you want to put a reasonably attractive guy with older and overweight Tracey played by an actress without a contract. Maybe he should have been grateful that the show was trying to throw him a bone, but the only way that I could have seen that story playing out was Cane reverting to his old ways and using Tracey for her money.

The Lane fans were not going to accept him with anyone else and were pretty fucking abusive to Beth Maitland on social media. The show probably should have written him off with Lily in some kind o f HEA storyline and be done with it or they should have recast Lily. But Mal young wanted the Winters gone to showcase the Rosales family. Brytni whatshername would have been a great Lily recast.

CK didn't want to do the show any longer. If anyone killed off Lane, it was her.

She wanted to stay with the show but they gave her an insulting offer so she bailed.

I never want to see Cane or Lily again, ever.

[quote] But Mal young wanted the Winters gone to showcase the Rosales family. Brytni whatshername would have been a great Lily recast.

It's sad that Kristoff died, but his passing also had a role - Neil was the glue, and the other characters are really not equal to Neil.

R197

Sit & spin You ca think Adam & Chance are awful & not be longing for Snapper or Greg.

It was MM who got the insulting offer. .. CK wanted to move to Toronto with her wealthy beau, which she's now done. She had little use for the non-stop regular grind at Y&R, beyond making an occasional guest appearance.

So when JaBottom was on TPIR last week gave him rainbows?

R195 Odd what DG wrote, because the TV Guide seems to indicate that Cane is in one more episode this Thursday with the blurb, "Cane faces the consequences."

He doesn’t seem aware of the preemptions

[quote]It was MM who got the insulting offer.

It was CK too. CK just chose not to go to the press with hers the way that MM did. Trust me, CK would have found a way to do the show and be with her boyfriend if they would have offered her a decent deal.

Nah this was just CK doing what she's done twice before.

Someone on the P&G thread reported this thread has been paywalled.

[quote]It was MM who got the insulting offer.

There are multiple actors with the initials MM connected to Y&R.

Mishael Morgan

Michael Mealor

Michael Muhney

Please be careful to specify which one you're talking about.

Cane gaslighting Traci would have been fun. Traci needs to be written as a real fat woman.

Traci COULD be a Fun Frau character if they wrote her like she was the heroine in a Hallmark Movie Channel Xmas movie. Make her a little saucy and just pretend she's not overweight. Fraus would love it and the actress would do well with the material.

New thread

"MM" was obviously Morgan in relation to CK. Plus, Muhney is irrelevant. No one cares or talks about him any longer, especially as it relates to contracts. He's been gone longer than he worked there. And Mealor is JaBottom.

Do the producers actually think the kid playing Connor is a good child actor?

There are some excellent child actors on the soaps . . . he's not one of them.

This kid is one of the worst child actors they've had in quite some time.

And Dear God in Heaven, they're building a Christmas story around him.

Victor and Nikki look like they're ready to join in the Thanksgiving festivities in the piano room at The Rainbow Gardens Retirement Home.

Connor sets a fire at the coffee house, trapping Mariah and Tessa. I think this is the end of Tessa.

Is that why Connor is played as an angry non-verbal? Or are they getting ready to sentence him to juvie for a little post Christmas SORASing?

^^

You think Connor is non-verbal? That kid won't shut up whining.

Connor is special, right?

R220 Deathbed lesbian wedding?

R220, Didn't Dina ignite The Underground just last year?

Did Dina start this one too? She's a firecracker!

Are the writers about to gift us with a Billy/Amanda coupling?

Billy is going to be with Amanda and obviously Rey with Victoria to create a quad (?) incl. Sharon.

Is it Chewing Gum Billy, or is it now Shelling Peanuts Billy?

R228 Wimptoira better start doing some stretching exercises, if she's going from Billy's pencil to Rey's beer can.

R230, Don't you think JT helped her out down there?

[quote] ... and obviously Rey with Victoria to create a quad ...

THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MEEEEEE !!

Since Cane is the one Victoria kissed, causing Billy to go visit Lily in prison and blab about it ... plus, Billy already hates my guts.

Cane did have some chemistry with Victoria. He had none with Traci.

It's amusing how the writers eliminate the presence of certain characters at family/holiday events with a brief mention of them.

So, those Dena Higley rumors...

R235 Honey, we're at the new thread.....