Within Treason: Church of the Poison Mind (The Impeachment Inquiry, Part 10)

Link to previous thread for reference:

Look at Stone in that image. What's that German word again for "faces that need to be punched?"

Thanks, OP!

Did Stone get together with the Manhattan Madam while in D. C.? Trip isn't too long.

Thank you OP, and thank you Muriel for not paywalling these threads!

Did Stone shit himself in the courtroom?

Rumor, from those in the know, is Nancy has knowledge of something Pres Bone Spurs did before the Mueller report came out and this is why she was not for impeachment then. I don't know of any details at the moment. My conversation with my friend was very brief and she actually called to chat about something personal.

^^FCI - That doesnt make sense to me. Was Nancy waiting for this thing to become public, whatever it was? Or are you talking about the whole Ukraine deal?

R7 I have no clue. She said she would give me details later.

NBC:

Giuliani met Ukraine presidential candidate in 2018 to get Biden dirt, says ex-prosecutor

NBC:

Florida county backs Trump, refuses to bring New York Times to library computers

NBC:

The Trump chaos theory for how to beat impeachment

So who had a full tilt seizure in Stone's court case today?

And what was Milo doing there?

you mean "who" r13?

Good lord, FCI, no time for personal chit chat. Get the damn dirt. Who has what on whom and exactly how much what on exactly which whom?

Well, the day after the Mueller report came out is the day Trump had his threatening phone call with Zelensky. "I want you to do me a favor, though..." So maybe Nancy found out about it. Because it appears that a lot of people were really horrified by that call. People who witnessed it. And the Whistle Blower consulted people before he went public. So maybe that's what FCI's friend was referring to.

R2 The word you are looking for is backpfeifengesicht.

The one time Fox news tells the truth!

Come on Beshear! He could be on the verge of bumping Bevin from the Governor's office!

Come on!!!

that would be awesome r19. So sick of moral victories. How about an actual fucking victory victory?

Beyond just being a Trump sycophant Repug, Bevin is just a cunt. I really hope Beshear manages to pull this off.

MSNBC calls it for Beshear.

With 99% in, Beshear has been declared the "apparent winner" by NBC.

Rachel is talking to NewsTwink Vaughn Hillyard as I type!

I hate that "apparent winner' bullshit. Either you've won or you've lost, what is that crap about?

Trump was just there last night campaigning last night for Bevin, so if these results hold, it is a BIG SLAP in the face to Trumpie..ha ha!

They have to leave room for the highly possible vote throwing done by Putin's minions at the very last minute r25. You know, the stuff that's now a real part of our democratic voting process: the cheat, the graft.

yup, icing on the cake r26. damn, hope this all turns out to be true. a Democrat in Kentucky would also panic the turtle.

AP, Virginia Senate flipped to Democratic

Yes r29, just saw that.

Who knew this would be such a GREAT night for Democrats?

this is REALLY encouraging. Really glad to see this stuff. Hating Trump is a national duty and I'm glad to see so many fulfilling their duty.

AP:

Latest: Democrat unseats Richmond-area Senate Republican

NYT:

Trump Tax Return Case Confronts Supreme Court With a Momentous Choice

Gosh, if only Trump had sent Miss Lindsey to Virginia & Kentucky with her "I am in love with Kavanaugh" tour, results could have been different.

damn, just checked TPM. Bevin is going down. Hallelujah. Damn. Have we actually turned a corner in this country? Maybe.

Kentucky is pretty major. Don't have any faith in Louisiana which is crazy by nature. But Virginia is looking good too. Wow, Dems may have actually pulled off a very good night.

Beshear giving victory speech right now.

Did I hear right? I was getting into the car about 20 minutes ago and I swore I heard Chris “BothSides” Cuomo say, “the Secretary of State is calling it for Beshear, but at CNN we have our standards.” I didn’t stick around for the rest.

Yep.

The Ds will draw VA’s post 2020 Congressional district maps !

oh this is a good night r39. I pleased.

Damn. We need the legislatures too. I'm so glad the Virginia legislative body went Blue. Thank you, Jesus! That photo of Trump hugging McConnell who looked like a fucking hostage. LOL! Fuck them both. Now we need to look at Georgia, and that rotten fucker, Governor Kemp who has his nose all the way up Trump's ass. Trump is coming to Georgia Friday I think to announce Blacks for Trump. How fucking offensive is that?

Anyway, we have two Senate seats. Johnny Isakson hates Trump, but he has Parkinson's and he's retiring. Purdue is a piece of shit. he is a rabid Trump supporter. up for re-election. We have to defeat him. We need to fill Isakson's seat with a Democrat. And the rotten, homophobic racist bitch, Karen Handel who was unseated by Lucy McBath is running to take her seat back. We need to support McBath and crush Handel. So there's a huge amount of work to be done.

These victories tonight are the handwriting on the wall, and this will affect the level of cooperation the witnesses will give to the Impeachment Inquiry. It will make Trump get really crazy. I wonder who or what he will use to distract us. It's definitely going to raise the temperature on conversations among the Senators. Except for the cabal of diehards in the House we may see more Republicans cross over to vote with Pelosi. I'm very interested in how tonights' victories well affect the Republican members of Congress. They ought to be shitting their pants. hey. Let's send boxes of Depends to their offices, just like they sent moving boxes to the Dems.

Major victory for Democrats in Virginia. WaPo headline:

Democrats flip Virginia Senate and House, taking control of state government for the first time in a generation

Man, Kentucky was a blowout. Wonder how crazy Rand Paul is doing to night? They need to get rid of him and McConnell.

With all this good news tonight.... what new ways will Rethugs come up with to cheat next year?

[quote]Wonder how crazy Rand Paul is doing tonight?

Hopefully packing his bags for a trip on the Hot Grease Express.

this is where I mean to leave the happy love song.

GREAT news for Virginia!!!

Graham: 'I don't know' if quid pro quo is impeachable offense."

Someone should immediately ask him, "Do you know if BRIBERY is?"

R49 you’re absolutely right. It’s all about the messaging. The Dems need to start replacing the term “quid pro quo” for its English counterpart... extortion and bribery.

I'd love to see some polling of independents and moderate voters regarding impeachment.

I mean most of the GOP are just defending Trump and acting like he did nothing wrong. How do people in the middle feel?

Danica Roem wins re-election in Virginia.

So did Lee Carter, the Democratic Socialist that was first elected the same year as Danica.

By a lot.

And Chris Hurst, the former local news anchor who ran on a gun control platform after his fiancee was shot and killed while on the air.

Also by a lot. And in Southwestern VA too.

WaPo: Senate Rs are privately considering calling the BIDENS in Trump’s impeachment trial, a quiet debate revealing major fault lines in the party

Some Rs are very uncomfortable with the idea -- and the demands of Trump’s most hardcore backers.

I’m pleasantly shocked by Kentucky. I truly expected to be depressed this morning.

You’re next, MoscowMitch.

^Well, Trump still thinks he and his minions won big in Kentucky.

Will Trump get booed at the Veterans Day parade on Monday?

[QUOTE]^Well, Trump still thinks he and his minions won big in Kentucky.

Bevin refuses to concede, and it wouldn't surprise me if some enterprising GOP poll worker suddenly 'discovers' a few thousand uncounted ballots - similar to the shit they pulled a few years back in WI.

R59, we know Bevin is a mirror personality of Dump—and I’ll bet you Dump pulls the same crap in 2020 (if he makes it that long).

^Yes, CNN still has it at 99% and open. Some shit is definitely going on here. They're only ~4k votes apart. I think they're trying to pull some shit here.

Fucking Trump is still gloating and Fox and other commentators claim Trump helped Republicans win big in Kentucky. WTF? Are the AG, Secretary of State etc. suddenly more important than the Governor? What kind of alternate universe do they all still live in?

Also how weird was it that Fox did not cover the elections last night? Absolutely no mention on Hannity or even the screen. Eric Trump and Hannity were discussing the Bidens again for an hour. Did not watch Ingraham but it looked like they only announced the results and did not really cover it there either. Did Fox decide not to cover it after it was clear the Democrat would win or what was this all about?

The grifter family is now using Dump re-election campaign funds to prop up sales of Junior's "Triggered" book.

Trump is going to tweet voter fraud in Kentucky...he won't be able to stop himself.

No, I think he is already touting the "big win" in Kentucky. The Republicans hold all the statewide seats except for the Governor. So he will blame Bevins.

But it is interesting to note that the county where Trump held his rally with #MoscowMitch and Bevins, Fayette county, went for the Democrats by two to one. I think the % of Democrats was in the 60's and Bevins was in the 30's. Hunny the Trump hate is out there. And more important, Bevins lost on "kitchen table" issues. Healthcare. Raiding the state pension funds and fucking over teachers.

r63, unless throwing someone under the bus is simpler.

That's so funny that they need to buy up copies of the book Jr "wrote" (btw, who actually wrote it?)

Washington Post:

Kentucky outcome embarrasses Trump and worries many Republicans ahead of 2020

Duh, who cares if a governor I endlessly endorsed these last couple of days lost, if we have a Republican AG now nobody has ever heard about. That is fantastic news and winning big.

Live televised impeachment inquiry hearings will begin next week.

Reuters:

Public impeachment probe hearings to start next week - chairman

Interesting tidbit.

Bevin was a huge supporter of former County Clerk Kim Davis, until it came to who will pay the legal fees and settlement costs when she got sued and lost. Taxpayers would have balked at footing that bill.

Democrat Beshear carried Rowan County, KY, yesterday by a sizable plurality.

Trump should get interviewed and he should be made aware of how long Hillary Clinton was interviewed at her investigation hearings. I'm sure Trump wants to trump that and last longer, right?

Article out today, that the transcripts of the private hearings show that many Republicans who serve on the committees are not showing up. Then they hold press conferences announcing that there needs to be more access and more openness. LOLOL! I guess they forgot that releasing the transcripts would show their hypocrisy. Dumb Fucks.

Can I just say. I'm watching Andrea Mitchell and Chris Murphy is on and damn I think he's hot.....

Washington Post:

Senate Republicans consider including Bidens in Trump impeachment trial

They can consider all they want. The rules do not allow them to do ANYTHING, question anyone, without the approval of the Speaker of the House. Good luck fulfilling that tactic, assholes.

The Rethugs need to be careful what they wish for. They insisted on having Hillary testify for 11 punitive hours about Benghazi. That didn't work out so well for them. Gowdy came off looking really bad. All they want is visuals. They want video, carefully edited, and photos they can use in ads and plaster on social media with the smears and lies they peddle. Just like with Ukraine, Trump and Rudy didn't really want a full blown investigation into Biden, they just wanted Zelensky to announce an investigation.

Beshear also carried Kenton county ("Cincinnati burbs") flipping it blue.

That is pretty big news. It means that the blue wave of 2018 is holding and the tide is still rising in the suburbs.

Those kitchen table issues are THE thing people are voting on. Especially women.

Healthcare, education, prescription drug prices, keeping their kids safe are the major issues to this voting block. Democrats need to pound this HARD - the GOP celebration after they voted to repeal the ACA and strip healthcare from millions, the continued refusal of turtle to bring any of the House bills to improve the ACA, fix the infrastructure, lower drug prices, background checks for guns, etc. The Senate is a "do nothing" body thanks to turtle.

You want this shit done, vote turtle and his enablers OUT!

The Democrats need to spotlight the attack on Medicaid/Medicare by the running deficit and that huge tax break for the rich that was their opening salvo against it.

The rural old and poor rely on it almost exclusively to support themselves in old age. Trying to do away with it won't sit well.

Lowlife Republicans just continue their fight for the rich...that seems to be all they do.

Deplorables did win a lot in Kentucky. People there must be stupid, stupid, stupid. I am so sick of ignorant, fools. Why would anyone vote Republican with what they are doing? Except for a select few, humans are born more stupid as time goes on.

The Senate repubs want to use the Bidens as a distraction. Since they control the Senate, they can spend more time on the Bidens and make it seem worse or at least "just as bad" as what Trump has done. They can control the narrative on their end, giving the excuse why Trump should not be removed. Their goal is to sink Biden's candidacy while saving Trump.

The question is whether the public will fall for it. I mean Trump is going to be impeached that's no longer a question. How much of the public will understand what the repubs are trying to do is what matters.

Fox is already "reporting" more "bombshells" about Hunter Biden saying he tried getting the Obama administration to meet with Burisma. The Biden stuff is not going to go away. I'm afraid the public will treat Biden like Hillary in 2016 leading to less people coming out. I'd like to think people have smartened up by now but who the fuck knows. We have to remember most people don't consume news as much as we on DL do so it's easier to play these tricks on them.

I hope the mainstream media is ready to combat this but you just know asshole NYT will dig deep into any further allegations against Hunter and Joe

AP: Diplomat had 'clear understanding' of Ukraine quid pro quo

We didn't have to wait long to see what new ways the Rethugs would try to cheat.

Apparently they've dug up some archaic law that says not so fast Beshear.... The State Legislature has the right to decide the Governor.

[quote]The State Legislature has the right to decide the Governor.

No, the legislature cannot choose the governor. Per your link they can decide whether or not to allow Bevin to challenge the results but they cannot pick the winner.

[quote]Kentucky Senate President Robert Stivers threw another wrench into the state's razor-thin gubernatorial outcome late Tuesday night, saying that the legislature could decide the race.

[quote]Section 90 states: "Contested elections for Governor and Lieutenant Governor shall be determined by both Houses of the General Assembly, according to such regulations as may be established by law."

[quote]Republican Senate President Robert Stivers suggested a dicier option Tuesday night: Let the GOP state legislature decide the winner. Section 90 of the state Constitution says "contested elections for governor and lieutenant governor shall be determined by both houses of the General Assembly, according to such regulations as may be established by law." Stivers said his staff believes that might apply in this case. The last "contested" governors race was in 1899, the Courier Journal reports.

Why can't citizens just start targeting these crooks?

Put some fear into them.

4PM EST: Bevin demands a county-by-county "recanvass" (a validation of numbers in lieu of a recount). Asshole's presser at 5PM EST.

R90 they probably think people will be embarrassed to admit voting democrat in Hillbilly land

The"Low information voter" has been a Republican staple for decades. They rely on fear division and lies along with voter suppression fraud and gerrymandering. But they are ultimately the stupid ones. Because those people don't go away. They don't disappear. They are out here. And eventually a lot of them figure it out.They see themselves working 3 jobs, can't afford healthcare, and their kids can't read. They go to fucking Walmart and watch their neighbors get gunned down at the Mall. They can't go to church or to the movies or to school and feel safe anymore. Their drinking water is filled with lead and other contaminates, and they can barely afford housing. Our living standards here in the good old USA are going down the toilet. People sit in houses watching TV and every advertisement reminds them of a world that doesn't exist for them.

[quote]Democrats need to pound this HARD

Pics please.

Inside Trump's White House: The Real Story of His Presidency, an upcoming book by Trump apologist Doug Wead, claims that the Obama administration drew complaints from top CIA officials for holding weekly "political correctness" meetings. Wead trashes Obama for being "too concerned with political correctness."

The problem: the author misinterpreted the "PC meetings" intelligence officials were grousing about. PC actually refers to the National Security Council Principals Committee.

Oopsy!

R83, even in the Senate, they do not completely control the narrative around the impeachment. If Roberts is worth anything, he'll limit the attempt to charge or try anyone in that venue without due process.

The Bidens, if brought in, would have to be allowed legal counsel and that would create distraction (as you said) and a circus. I cannot see Roberts assenting to this.

The dirt on what it means to contest an election, straight from Kentucky. Bottom line: even if the Legislature decides to involve itself in this process, it can't just overturn the results of the election. There have to have been flaws in the original count.

That's how I read it, too, R96. He has to have a reason and the legislature approves a recount if it's legitimate. So far, all I've seen is the whining about the 3rd party candidate taking away Bevin's votes.

Are there specifics that may out what proof is required or is that up to the legislature to rubber stamp as well.? Not that Republicans would ever do such a thing and stuck a middle finger up to law and order.

r64, r79

Yes, it's about kitchen table issues, esp. healthcare. But it's more than that.

What hurt Bevin in gerrymandered, voter suppressed KY, were the suburbs of Cincinnati. The Republican lost across the board in the suburbs - in VA and other places as well. Those areas are not voter-suppressed b/c they are Republican, where a voter walks in and votes in 15 minutes. It's not like where I live - a Prussian blue sliver of true blue Broward Cty. There we always have to wait an hour at least to vote.

r80

[quote]The Democrats need to spotlight the attack on Medicaid/Medicare by the running deficit and that huge tax break for the rich that was their opening salvo against it.

Yes, they need emphasize those losses to the poor whites. Run ads showing what happened KY. I'm sure some poor people died or were in pain because of Bevin.

r89

[quote]Why can't citizens just start targeting these crooks? Put some fear into them.

That's what I say. If the RU have kompromat, we should be all over their lives and get it ourselves. Then it'll be - [italic]"Sorry, Lindsey, I know you have your orders, but we'll expose if you follow them. Here's my handkerchief, now blow your nose."[/italic]

r92

[quote]And eventually a lot of them figure it out.

Some of them would prefer to be poor and openly racist than better off and having to hold their tongues.

Washington Post:

4 big takeaways from Bill Taylor’s full transcript

[quote]Brett #Kavanaugh lived a life we should all be proud of.

[quote]Mr. President, thank you

Good grief, does the whole country have to hear about Graham's three years and counting, unrelenting infactuation with Kavanaugh? Is this the way to tell a man with a wife and kids how you feel about him?

Oh, and thank "Mr. President" in every tweet.

Reuters:

Judge urges House to negotiate with Trump in tax return fight

Remember when Republicans called Al Gore a sore loser for demanding a recount?

They're hypocrites across the board, r103.

WHAT is there to negotiate about tRump's tax returns?

Mah word, that tweet at R101! "Mr. President, thank you for not pulling the plug."

Ah am aghast!

Lindsey is likely reminded everyday that Moscow is more than willing to publish all the damaging video and emails which would horrify his constituents. What a waste of a life.

I noticed the vote count in KY was 100% but now it is 99%. I am very skeptical and I have a feeling Moscow County has not reported yet.......

^"Oh, we just found 10,230 absentee and military ballots some clerk forgot she left in the corner and weren't counted yet. What ya know, 9,645 of them voted for Bevin!"

That judge in R102's link is either a coward for trying to dodge the issue or incredibly naive. There is NO "common ground" regarding the tax returns, and Trump will never make any kind of deal.

[quote]The Bidens, if brought in, would have to be allowed legal counsel and that would create distraction (as you said) and a circus. I cannot see Roberts assenting to this.

They should simply ignore any requests/subpoenas to appear—if the other side can pick and choose whether to show up, why can't the Bidens?

Noel Casler, a stand-up comic who used to work in production on [italic]The Apprentice,[/italic] says Cheeto has to wear adult diapers due to his propensity for speed-gobbling.

R12 - Ha! I shouldn’t laugh, but it’s just so plausible and appropriate.

I meant r112.

As far as Kentucky goes, we never believed for a minute they would give up power easily. And they have been consistently demonstrating that they don't play by the rules. Learn from them. And remember: Close elections are easier to steal. So we need OVERWHELMING turn out.

R108 which is exactly why no one should be surprised at how quickly they whipped out that legislature idea and anyone thinking they won't try to pull some bullshit with that and "find fraud," without any oversight, is fooling themselves. It's a wonder anyone would ever think that those fuckers would play by the rules.

They will never subpoena Biden....it would backfire on them BIG TIME. Not only would Biden show up and testify, but he would chastise those looking for a theatrical stunt exposing their partisan political bullshit.

The Guardian: Steve Bannon to be surprise witness at Roger Stone trial

^ I can't wait for that three ring circus

Rand "I Eat Shit" Paul is blocking the whistleblower protection resolution

Never knew how fucking short Scalise, Paul and Jordan were.

[quote] Steve Bannon to be surprise witness at Roger Stone trial

Dang. The press ruined the surprise of his court appearance.

Didn't McCain say Rand was in the tank for Putin? Like out loud?

And Kevin McCarthyism said the Russians pay Pres Bone Spurs. This all needs to be on a loop in the media nonstop. It would be if it was said of Hillary or Barack by Nancy.

FIRST PERSON TO TESTIFY WEDNESDAY ON THE TELEVISION WILL BE OUR OWN BILL TAYLOR GOD BLESS.

No word on whether his top dwarf will attend with him.

HYUH HYUH HYUH

Bannon is batshit crazy and constitutionally incapable of telling the truth.His comments are always salted with lies and exaggerations. He is smart and artfully mixes his versions of the truth with immutable facts, but there's no way I'd call him as a defense witness. If the prosecution calls him, they need to be careful to corroborate everything he says.he's a schemer through and through.

[quote]No word on whether his top dwarf will attend with him

ONLY “TIME” WILL TELL,,,. ONE PERSON WHO ~WON’T~ BE THERE IS THE “BAE” SANTI....! NO, SANTI WILL BE AT HOME ON “VCR” DUTY,, BLESS, BILL.

"Bevin demands a county-by-county "recanvass" (a validation of numbers in lieu of a recount"

They promised me it was a done deal!

IF Dump is on the ticket next year, expect him to take Bevin's approach and dispute the results. Constitutional crisis and, possibly, even riots in the streets. This man has taken the entire country into a dangerous situation.

r129

Yes, he won't leave, especially if the situation is inconclusive. That's why Brett is on tour - to let us all know not to expect him to leave. I forget what this is called - preparing the battlefield?

Any news on which, if any, networks are going to gavel to gavel coverage of the live testimony? Will it be on all the major networks or just cable/streaming? I hope NBC, ABC, CBS, and PBS treat it like it should be treated and do gavel to gavel but I'm not holding my breath.

R90 hmmmm

C span. You can watch it on C Span, then later on you can go to MSNBC or CNN or WTF ever and watch all the legal experts and pundits analyze it and make predictions. C Span forces me to use my mind and decide what I heard and react to it, instead of being told what I heard and how I should react.

It is a Republican strategy. They will always find an excuse to challenge any result no matter how obvious or frivolous and pointless their situation is. The never accept or admit defeat. They keep fighting. They've been doing it for a while now. The last 25 years or so they have become much more agressive and in our faces. We need to learn from them, and turn their shit right back at them.

Vairst Letty comink to mek visit and coodle bebby in chorspittle

[Quote]Any news on which, if any, networks are going to gavel to gavel coverage of the live testimony?

I'm pretty sure Fox will ignore it (after whining for weeks how unfair this process was and that these depositions should not be behind closed doors) and just pick the few snippets that fit their narrative. Just like Miss Lindsey complaining for weeks that he wants to read the transcripts and when he finally got them, they're suddenly irrelevant and he won't even read them.

Have you guys seen what Trump retweeted on his Twitter? He is helping threatening students who will protest him at the LSU game. What a fucking pussy. These universities should be ashamed of themselves. Colleges are supposed to be creating free-thinking, educated individuals and then telling them they can't express their thoughts. WTF? Tell Trump to stay away if he is too afraid of some booing.

[Quote]The Alabama SGA warns groups: Protest Trump during the LSU game and risk losing your reserved seating.

I only catch Fox News at the gym and actively try to avoid looking at it because it really makes my blood boil.

Last night they completely ignored the election. Tonight it was some garbage about the whistle blowers lawyer posting anti Trump tweets in 2016. And how Biden is in deep trouble.

It's actually impressive. They've constructed such an immersive alternate reality that it's almost commendable.

I’m sure their viewers’ blood does the same every time they accidentally see any other channel or a real headline.

They are worried he might be booed during the LSU game, R138? That can’t be good.

UA walks back warning after social media outcry

Trump should declare defeat and claim that he can't go out in public anymore, because George Soros has hired actors to boo him wherever he goes.

[quote]Never knew how fucking short Scalise, Paul and Jordan

I am, rather, petite and dainty.

I wish the media would can it with the term "quid pro quo". Call it what it is: extortion or bribery. I want to hear Meadows or Graham try to justify that.

Miz Lindsey's latest tactic of simply ignoring the evidence is ridiculous, and a blatant dereliction of her duty as a U.S. Senator. I REALLY hope she (as well as Moscow Mitch) gets her dainty ass booted out of Congress in the next election.

“A Warning,” reportedly written by an unnamed senior White House official, claims that high-level White House aides were certain that Vice President Mike Pence would support the use of the 25th Amendment to have President Donald Trump removed from office because of mental incapacity.

The discussions about invoking the 25th Amendment took place soon after FBI Director James Comey was fired by the president. The controversy around the firing, which the president did not appear to anticipate, and Mueller’s appointment infuriated Trump, and aides described his behavior at the time to HuffPost and other news publications as “unhinged.”

Republican Members of Congress know that it is not OK for a President to intentionally withhold bipartisan-approved security aid to our threatened Ukrainian allies.

They know it is doubly not OK to refuse to release the aid unless the foreign country manufactures dirt the presidents’s opponents and publicizes it on their national TV.

Yet they are tying themselves in knots to distract (attack the truth-telling whistleblower); lie (“no one’s shown a quid pro quo”); or be willfully blind (“I’m not going to read the testimony”).

There is SOMETHING that frightens them more than the trashing of their own reputations, their personal integrity, and their place in history.

Many suspect Trump is Putin’s bitch because Putin has something that will destroy Trump if he strays.

But the bigger question is:

Who has What on the Republicans?

There's no vast conspiracy surrounding the Republicans and Trump. It's very simple –- they want to get reelected and they fear that if they speak out against Trump they won't be. And they're right.

It's difficult for the average person to understand just how craven and power-mad politicians are -- even the least of us have more integrity, decency and conviction than the typical pol.

[quote]high-level White House aides were certain that Vice President Mike Pence would support the use of the 25th Amendment to have President Donald Trump removed from office because of mental incapacity.

And now he has denied it, the miserable worm.

(Don't worry about the "miserable worm" bit, it's part of our sexy-time role playing).

Roger Stone trial running in parallel to public impeachment testimony is just too delicious for words. Maddow was in the newscycle equivalent of a clitoral orgasm last night...

And then Lev Parnas talking with House Committees, too.

And why hasn't Giuliani been arrested yet? Can you imagine the media shitstorm when that happens?

It'll be interesting to see what kind of people they are. Do they submit and obey, or are they wild andboo like hell and say fuck you. Because the University cannot withhold tickets or in any way punish people for free speech. Fuck them. I hope the people will besmart enough to boo like crazy.

Discussion at r/Capstone (UA subreddit)

Kevin Bishop, among his duties, is LG's Communication's Director.

Y'all

Graham & Bishop prepping.

Trump is a scumbag and all his friends seem to be the same.

With the Kentucky race, let the Repugs investigate because Republicans are always the ones cheating and trying to steal votes. We need to hear the truth before 2020.

Zelensky was about to cave in to Dump's illegal demands and announce on CNN that Ukraine was investigating the Bidens, but was saved from doing it by the release of the whistleblower's complaint.

Is there some reason that literally not a single member of the press will push back against Trump when he pulls that “You know it. And everyone here knows it too” bullshit during these ad hoc press gaggles? Cannot one person be like, “Umm, no, you don’t have any idea what I ‘know’ sir. Do not presume to speak for anyone here except for yourself. Now please just answer the question.”

Why is that so hard?

National Review:

Jordan: Republicans Will Subpoena Whistleblower for Public Hearing

Axios: Former White House national security adviser John Bolton did not appear for his closed-door deposition on Thursday, instead telling the House committees conducting the impeachment inquiry that he would challenge a potential subpoena for his testimony in court.

Washington Post:

Bolton willing to defy White House and testify if court clears the way, according to people familiar with his views

Why is it some are brave enough to testify, while others cowardly look for judicial cover?

Careerism?

From the NYT story on Zelensky almost caving in to Trump. So who are the 2 senators implicated here?

[quote]KIEV, Ukraine — It was early September, and Ukraine’s new president, Volodymyr Zelensky, faced an agonizing choice: whether to capitulate to President Trump’s demands to publicly announce investigations against his political enemies or to refuse, and lose desperately needed military aid.

[quote]Only Mr. Trump could unlock the aid, he had been [bold]told by two United States senators[/bold], and time was running out. If the money, nearly $400 million, were not unblocked by the end of the fiscal year on Sept. 30, it could be lost in its entirety.

^ I want to know, too!

NYT:

In Louisiana, Trump Attacks ‘Deranged’ Impeachment Inquiry and ‘Radical’ Governor

Bolton has always been a horrible person. I have no idea why the House does not have the shitheads arrested.

Bolton has always been a horrible person. I have no idea why the House does not have the shitheads arrested.

Who is currently leading in the polls in Louisiana? Hope he'll get another FU from Louisiana soon.

I hope Schiff blows Syriagate wide open next week.

[quote]In Louisiana, Trump Attacks ‘Deranged’ Impeachment Inquiry and ‘Radical’ Governor

Last night's Louisiana rally proved extra challenging to Daniel Dale, who has spent the last three years cataloging Trump's lies:

"Trump says the whistleblower's source probably does not exist, which makes no sense. He is saying false/misleading/bizarre things in rapid succession, faster than I can type."

Shorty Gym with ill-fitting clothes got a SOTU ticket for Kim Davis during Obama's last year in office. Can't he get her a job in the Trump admnistration? Maybe she could replace Mulvaney at OMB?

[quote]Bolton willing to defy White House and testify if court clears the way, according to people familiar with his views

That's a ploy to delay. It will take months for a judge to hear it and announce a decision.

There is already a case in consideration surrounding this in the McGahn case, which is why they dropped the Kupperman subpoena yesterday.

Rand "pussy boy" Paul is one of the senators who pushed zelensky, I would guess.

The other night be Johnson from Wisconsin. He has gone completely foaming at the mouth cult cray.

Portman and Johnson?

It would actually explain a lot if Rand Paul was one of the two senators in question.

Hope the investigative press picks this up and digs in to try to determine who are these senators.

FCI, did your friend ever drop that tea that you hinted at earlier this week? Just curious.

Washington Post:

Trump’s allies turned to online campaign in quest to unmask Ukraine whistleblower

ABC:

President Trump ordered to pay $2M to group of nonprofits as part of civil lawsuit

Politico:

Pence adviser testifying in impeachment inquiry

the narrative about Bolton possibly being a hero can stop now. If he really wanted to testify he would not have skipped his hearing today. "Waiting on courts to rule" is not heroic.

If Bolton does not testify at some point, he'll look like an opportunist for writing a tell-all book about his time with Trump down the road

NY AG Tish James is AMAZING. We know Trump hates to spend his own money!! Trump had to settle to pay $2 million due to his misuse of the Trump Foundation. That's only the beginning. Great work, Tish. He should be angry on twitter later

He previously claimed the lawsuit was all lies and said he would NEVER settle

Oops!

If Trump wanted a Senator to make Zelinsky cave, why didn't he send Miss Thang with her seductive powers? How could Zelinsky resist?

Rand Paul & maybe Johnson

"Prepare to die," Stone texted to Randy Credico

Breaking: Cheeto wanted Ukraine to go after Hillz as well as Joe

He is unhealthily obsessed with Hillary.

Now Gaetz is going after all those evil liberal elites for eating kale and quinoa!!! Real 'muricans eat McDonald's all day like Trump!

With so many DUIs, @mattgaetz should not criticize anyone for their consumption.

Hunny I wish they would eat McDonald's 24/7 five meals a day. DOuble LArge Fries, two double large Big Macs, couple of milkshakes made with real heavy cream, and high fat, extra creamy ice cream. I want those lard asses to stroke out.

HRC should get a restraining order against that orange fool.

Why is this guy not in jail already?

[quote]InfoWars conspiracy theorist and Roger Stone ally Alex Jones stepped up his attacks on the jury at Stone’s trial on Tuesday, broadcasting the name and face of a woman he claimed was a juror at the trial and calling her a “minion” of anti-Trump forces.

[quote]“We’ve got her name, and we’re going to release it,” Jones said on his InfoWars broadcast, before revealing a woman’s name and putting her face on the screen behind him. Later in the broadcast, Jones and his attorney were joined by a person dressed as the Grim Reaper and wielding a sickle.

He's probably trying to cause a mistrial, R196. Yes, he should be locked up.

While all this testimony and reactions are going on, the Senate Judiciary Committee just approved, today, another six Trump/Federalists Society judges. It's about stacking the court with pro-corporate, anti-environment judges. They'll toss a bone to the base with some rhetoric about pro-life, gun rights, and religious freedom (to discriminate).

Senate Judiciary Committee tweets are Lindsey Graham.

Where's Beverly Sutphin when you need her?

Trump's going to be impeached but not removed. He'll run for reelection and lose to Michael Bloomberg. Hey, it could happen.

Fuck Bloomberg he's gonna guarantee tRump is reelected

He hasn't even declared, R201.

The NYT is reporting he's gonna get in on Friday

The NYT is reporting he's gonna get in on Friday

Oh this changes everything.

Those billionaires are riled, R205! (But right now it's just filing paperwork in Alabama in anticipation of campaigning).

About Bloomberg - do Independents in Rust Belt states want someone telling them how much soda they can drink? That wine at the beach/lake is OK but beer is not? I don't mind it, not sure about them.

Do all Republican women have crazy fake blond hair, weird lips and big fake boobs? Just curious, Pam Bondi for one.

The Grinch Who Stole 2020.

Bloomberg isn't a Trump, but he's still an autocrat used to getting his way.

Oh Fuck!

Never vote for another billionaire.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

Except for the Nanny stuff, Bloomie ran a pretty good city. Plus, he's not beholden to anyone. He looks like a cross between the Church Lady and the Grinch, but that's okay. He knows about money and in the end people only care about their 401(k)s.

Rudy must be steaming. Bloomberg took over after him.

Bloomberg always hated Rudy. He knew what kind of person Rudy was. Rudy was a fucking pig.

In all of the nastiness Rudy has gotten himself into over the years, the one thing I remember most is having his divorce lawyer call the mother of his children (Donna Hanover) a Pig on Mother's Day. He and Trump are blood brothers. (Trump to Ivana: Nobody's gonna touch you with those plastic tits)

Wondering what pigfuckery the GOP has in store for the televised hearings.

Bomb threats? 240 dB Filibustering? Screeching hordes of "concerned" "citizens" brandishing AR15s? At this point absolutely nothing would surprise me.

[quote]While all this testimony and reactions are going on, the Senate Judiciary Committee just approved, today, another six Trump/Federalists Society judges.

Moscow Mitch tweeted that, as of today, one in every four judges on the federal courts of appeals are Trump appointees.

The stink is going to linger for a long time.

If Bloomberg runs as a Democrat and stays a democrat, I'm all for it! He will campaign dirtiest against Trump. I don't think he's necessarily the best overall candidate, but I see him besting Biden, Warren, and Sanders vs. Trump.

If he's 3rd party, please get the fuck out!

Cheeto privately butthurt that people think he's too dumb to quid pro quo

Rudy's bag man waiting for a meetup with Rudy?

Rudy and Donnie have always had a complicated relationship.

You see for all the evangelical "christians", having those judges is what matters most. It doesn't matter if the person you support is everything antithetical to you lord. He has made normal lying, cheating, grifting, vulgarity, greed and on and on. Without being too hyperbolic, they have basically sold their souls to the devil to get what they want. If they think Jesus would approve of that? LOL. If there is a devil, he is smiling brightly at all of this.

Trump is after Stormy Daniels' money.

She probably has more than him at this point.

I feel sorry for Stormy. Avenatti seems to have ripped her off, now Trump is after her. She’ll be broke before they’re finished, if she’s not already.

I hate that Avenatti turned out the way he did. The GOP can have hundreds of Avenattis yet we can't have one. He was very effective at attacking the GOP and Pres Bone Spurs.

[quote]Diamond & Silk: "When you look at Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren, it's just like, salt and sugar. It's the same, right? These two are the same."

D&S & Fox & Friends don't make sense; but Fox's audiences, are charmed. Trashy TV.

Bloomberg should run as a Republican and give the trumpster a run for the money.

Another guy who is suing Ohio State for covering up abuse says he told Gym Jordan about the abuse directly and Jordan did.....nothing

Bloomberg might have had a chance if he would have just stuck with the Dems but he was Dem, then GOP (though a total RINO), then Indie, then Dem, then Indie, now Dem. I don't trust him at all.

Dean Cain also retweeted the Whistleblower’s name. So many conservative dickheads are.

R231 All of this for THIS "president"? WHYYYYYYYY? Of all people, why go there for him?

What the fuck is happening to people? Conservatives are just fucking sick fucks. No morals at all.

Yikes.

R232, Dean Cain is just so spiteful that he started out in Hollywood as decent looking, yet quickly declined into a hideously unattractive, morbidly obese, frumpy disfigured woman with a bad haircut. Poor putrid Dean - his/her judgment is skewed. Dean's is one stretched-out pussy that Trumpy Bear will refuse to grab however - despite Cain's attempts to be the next slutty, Matt Gaetz, anal whore, butt-boy for "the fuhrer".

Dean Cain deserves the way he looks now. What a fat, gross looking turd.

So it appears that Gym Jordan has a history of covering up for jerk offs.

Explains his behavior in Congress.

Tee hee!

R230 if you look at the main Bloomberg thread there are an astonishing amount of trolls and shills posting there. Bloomberg already seems to have a social media crew in place, or the Republican concern trolls on this board are trying to remove Biden and Warren by promoting him. Or maybe both.

And most of them are bashing Biden for being too old and Warren as too left, even though Bloomberg is 78 himself.

Rofl

Oopsz I meant this one. Apparently they made fake covers and set them up in B&N.

[quote] I hate that Avenatti turned out the way he did.

I still believe that was right-wing character assassination. They were fucking scared of him. And I think they bribed Stormy to turn against him in public.

Josh Campbell of CNN thinks Anonymous is Kirstjen Nielsen.

I don't know that I would go as far as to believe that Stormy is being bribed but the Rethugs were definitely scared of Avenatti. The way they reacted toward/about him proved that.

Look at all those Federal judges. Sweet fucking Jesus. The Dems need to pound on this in every fucking campaign ad in 2020. Trump appointing judges to take your healthcare away, to overturn Roe, to strip rights, to destroy the environment.

But I'm SO glad I didn't vote for corporatist whore Hillary, amirite?

[quote]Dean Cain also retweeted the Whistleblower’s name. So many conservative dickheads are.

Dean Cain's Republican leanings have been talked about on DL over the years, but it's still disgusting that he would still support Trump after all this.

OMG yes R244. If Crooked Hillary had won, half the pizza parlors on the east coast would be havens for child pornographers.

Let’s revisit The Don jr College roommate DL Thread

Ker-plunk, stinky. Then wipe till skids stop showing.

Going to the mall to buy new underwear, the A&F models need ogled.

Steamy Ray finds love at the food court, I'm finna to get some in the last house on the left.

R229 Yep, and this one came from a referee at the time.

Too many witnesses that were directly there at the time make Jordan's denials more unbelievable.

Jordan needs to go.

Jordan remains in Congress while people such as Al Franken and Katie Hill are chased away. Incredibly absurd.

Student athletes were complaining to their coach (Jordan) about being sexually targeted+ by a team physician, and Jordan knows it, fails to report/intervene, is dismissive about it, then denies he was aware of it years later as evidence mounts Jordan was aware and did nothing.

Needs repeating.

Media, stop the Latin quid pro quo. The under-educated masses don't understand what it means beyond fancy words.

Call it bribery and extortion.

It literally means "this for that".

But yes, change it to bribery and extortion.

Trump sent a cease & desist letter. The President. we could not have dreamed this stuff up.

[quote]How Lindsey Graham, Donald Trump's premier bootlicker, totally scammed John McCain.

[quote]Unable now to ignore the mounting evidence of extortion against President Donald Trump in his dealings with Ukraine, the only “defense” Sen. Lindsey Graham can come up with for the president is to say that Trump and members of his administration are simply too stupid and incompetent to pull off the crime.

Graham's once years of bonding and dedication with the late John McCain was beyond political ideology. When McCain became terminally ill, the distancing became noticeable. Graham gave himself to Trump before McCain deceased. That first golf outing Graham had with Trump solidified Graham becoming an unwavering devotee to the Trump & Putin camp. What was said? What was shown? It worked.

CYST AND DECEASED

He's melting down right now on tv.

San Francisco is washing away into the ocean through their corrupt drainage system.

"Little" Michael Bloomberg will fail.

Gym Shorts looks like the kind of guy who when approached by a student about being molested would act concerned, pull the student into his office, and ask the student to recount the molestation, in detail, and continue to act concerned as he masturbates under his desk.

I wish I could, r257.....

Someone make a thread about Trump’s diapers

Old news, but Jim Jordan was a big supporter of anti-gay marriage ex-County Clerk Kim Davis He's the one that gave a ticket to Davis to a SOTU address.

Washington Post:

Trump ‘violates all recognized democratic norms,’ federal judge says in biting speech on judicial independence

How weird is this? Barr is pushing the narrative that he was the one who persuaded Trump to release the summary of the now-infamous Zelensky conversation. Maybe he is the source of the word "perfect" that Trump keeps using to describe the conversation. That explains why Trump is angry that Barr would not publicly state that he, Trump, had not committed any crime.

Fanatic Trump loyalist, Congressman Louie Gohmert, is not getting lovely press in Dallas for his ongoing antics.

USA Today:

Trump open to releasing summary of second call with Ukraine president Zelensky

I am assuming that Barr considered withholding the memo of transcript as more damaging and criminal (remember Barr knew of the veracity of the whistleblower report) than releasing it and trying to spin/normalize it.

I still hope they get around to determining how much Barr knew about Ukraine and QPQ. The Justice Dept shouldn't be able to slink by uninvestigated. Pompeo has taking hits, if Barr deserves some, I hope he gets them, too.

Bloated Billy needs to rot in jail.

Although that's one head I'd love to see on a pike.

NYT:

Hill and Vindman Testimony: Key Excerpts From Impeachment Inquiry Transcripts

NBC:

Mick Mulvaney defies subpoena, skips impeachment deposition

AP:

House investigators release more impeachment transcripts

AP:

Ivanka Trump: Whistleblower's motives more important than ID

^ "The whistleblower shouldn't be a substantive part of the conversation," she told the AP, saying the person "did not have firsthand information."

Of the individual's identity, she added that, "to me, it's not particularly relevant aside from what the motivation behind all of this was."

Why do cunts such as Ivanka keep trotting out this “the whistleblower has secondhand information” BS when the firsthand account players have come out and verified the whistleblower’s complaint? Like, why didn’t the person interviewing Ivanka immediately say that and then ask her what she’s even talking about? Make these people confront the utterly nonsensical bullshit they keep parroting back to us.

Trump on Sondland today: "I hardly know the gentleman."

I wonder if he remembers the million dollar donation from Sondland.

"Why would someone find out Daddy dear is treasonous and bribing another country and not keep quite and protect him?"

Mr. Sondland, a quid-pro-quo is what you did when you donated a million dollars to the Trump Inaugural Committee and received an ambassadorship.

You gave; you got.

After your donation, how did you approach the Trump Administration for your assignment?

Mulvaney is claiming “absolute immunity” to House subpoena. What the fuck is that?

Not to mention Ivanka that the call memo was essentially an admission of bribery. Why don't they follow up with that?

[quote]Mr. Sondland, a quid-pro-quo is what you did when you donated a million dollars to the Trump Inaugural Committee and received an ambassadorship.

And a million bucks in free money to redo his multiple residences!

[quote]Mulvaney is claiming “absolute immunity” to House subpoena. What the fuck is that?

He's just having a Queen Carlotta feeling. Like a high-fashion feeling, minus some teeth.

Mulvaney got his subpoena.

[quote] "to me, it's not particularly relevant aside from what the motivation behind all of this was."

Nonsense. The motivation is completely irrelevant. The whistleblower could be a Hillary Clinton and it would not make one bit of difference. Are the factual allegations accurate? Yes. Then that is all that matters. If the person is a “never-tRumper” so what?

If you voted for Trump you are a fool, he showed his true colors for many years. Bloomberg must be an asshole but not as stupid and mean hearted as Trump.

Trump is going to the Alabama - LSU football game in Tuscaloosa to find a venue where he won't be booed.

Some will boo him, but the cheers from 'deplorables' will be louder. It's a relatively safe calculation.

Don't kid yourself about Bloomberg. I'm amazed how many people on DL are singing his praises. I can only conclude that he's been overrated because he seemed so much better than both his predecessor Giuliani and our current mayor DeBlasio. Some people in NYC seem to forget that he made the city even more "attractive" to developers which has turned Manhattan and most of Brooklyn into generally unaffordable areas. His administration is one reason why NYC has become a prime example of the incredible income gap. Plus he let many union contracts expire and many weren't renewed until after he left office - he basically kicked the can down the road.

This man is no more an ally of middle-class and blue-collar people than Trump is, or the GOP. He's just a lot smarter and craftier, with a gift for good optics. But he's an autocrat which anyone who worked for Bloomberg can tell you, and we don't need another one of those. And you can bet he won't be supportive of any attempt to reverse or even amend the GOP tax bill that is driving up the national deficit (any more than Tom Steyer would).

The one thing Bloomberg has going for him in the primary is his support of gun control.

The "whistleblower" whose name Dean Cain and others tweeted isn't even the real whistleblower. A guy was getting death threats because of this.

Breaking via WSJ: Months before Trump pressed Ukraine's president to open investigations, Giuliani associates Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman urged Ukraine's prior president to announce similar probes in exchange for a state visit to Washington.

I hope the WB is under protection. I have reported five threats to the FBI on their webpage.

R286, I reported a friend To his job... who thought he was only posting to friends on his Facebook page. I really have no regrets. He has a clearance. I talked about it on the previous impeachment thread.

Got a note back from his company that they’re investigating. He took the post down.

The people testifying next week should be well guarded and their food should be guarded.

How was Mulvaney able to defy his subpeona this morning? Isn't that an arrestable offense at this point? When are the Dems gonna pull the trigger and start using the LAW to go after these cu*ts?

The same way they defy all their subpoenas, by refusing to go and claiming Executive immunity.

I think the Democrats are trying to not give the appearance of a coup by having the Sergeant at Arms arrest people in the Executive Branch. It's a big escalation. That's why they are trying to use the courts.

Fuck it r290 it's the LAW. Not a coup. Sigh - spineless Dems.

If the shoe were on the other foot and it was a Repub -controlled Congress handing out the summons, and anyone else avoided them, there would be sheer HELL to pay. On that you can bet.

[quote]The people testifying next week should be well guarded and their food should be guarded.

Poison is always a good tool in these kind of situations.

It will be a kick in the ass if John Bolton is the WB. His attorneys are already stating he's going to spill it all.

Miss Thang has settled on a re-election campaign theme song. Sound was blasting for the convertible driving her in the Pumpkin Festival parade. There were a few dropped jaws among the onlookers.

So Dump Jr., Dean Cain and a bunch of other idiots outed the wrong person. The non-WB is getting death threats now. These people have no shame. Bet that apologizing for putting that person in harms way never crossed Jr. mind. I would check if the tweets are still up on his page, but seeing his ugly mug is just too much right now. Hope the real WB is safe.

I'm starting to think Russia used their patented election tampering skills to oust Poroshenko, because he wasn't delivering the dirt on Biden/Hillary. Trump/Putin/Ghouliani thought Zelensky would be a malleable, eager-to-please pushover they could manipulate.

[quote]Mulvaney is claiming “absolute immunity” to House subpoena. What the fuck is that?

It's Bloated Billy Barr's idea that he's been spouting since the 1980s...an American Emperor instead of President. It's called the Imperial Presidency. Barr's been a big fan forever.

[quote]So Dump Jr., Dean Cain and a bunch of other idiots outed the wrong person. The non-WB is getting death threats now.

Sue. The. Fuck. Out. Of. Them!

So Trump is going to Clarence and Brett with his plea to hide his nasty financial info. Will they decide against him? Will he turn on them if they refuse to hear the case? "Bawlin' Brett"... "Creepy Clarence"?

They may not even take up the petition.

Meanwhile, Steven Bannon attempted to "forget" what he knew about Roger Stone, but the prosecutor in that case had Bannon's grand jury testimony from the Mueller investigation. Bannon, his recollection forcibly refreshed, testified that Stone was the Trump campaign's contact with Wikileaks.

And it's just on Rachel, right now!

The Hill:

Democrats aim to impeach Trump by Christmas

and the bullshit is starting to happen.

Just saw Devin Nunes has sent Adam Schiff a letter demanding that Schiff sit down for a closed deposition as a witness before the public hearings start.

The repubs are trying to convince the public that Schiff and his aides personally dealt with the whistleblower therefore Schiff is a witness and cannot lead the impeachment hearings.

NBC:

'Absent yourself': Transcripts reveal what Schiff told Gaetz when he crashed secure hearing

R302, it looks like Trump will be getting coal in his stocking this year.

Yahoo:

Intelligence community unveils plans for disclosing foreign electoral interference; promises no 'partisan politics'

Politico:

The unsolved mystery of frozen Ukraine aid

Daily Beast:

Transcripts Show GOP ‘Terror Campaign’ to Out Whistleblower

R276, remember, too, words, ideas, are nothing to these people. The resonant quote from the book by Anonymous comes when Trump, unable and unwilling to read a briefing memo, blurts, “These are just words. A bunch of words. It doesn’t mean anything.”

so the new tactic by repubs is to try and discredit Schiff. They want to paint him as a corrupt ultra partisan hack who was involved in the whistle blower coming forward (which of course is not true).

The question is whether independents and moderates will believe this. Right wingers already hate him as repub media has vilified him horribly

Washington Post:

Alexander Vindman: Soviet emigre and decorated U.S. Army officer wanted to be as American as can be. Now the president questions his motives.

[quote]the prosecutor in that case had Bannon's grand jury testimony from the Mueller investigation.

Good to know.

The Hill:

Trump lawyers to appeal tax return decision to Supreme Court next week

CNBC:

Wrestling referee warned Rep. Jim Jordan about Ohio State doctor's sex misconduct, new lawsuit says

[quote]Trump lawyers to appeal tax return decision to Supreme Court next week

So what is Trump trying to hide in those tax returns? That is the question.

Some think the USSC won't take the case...

[quote]The Hill: Democrats aim to impeach Trump by Christmas

The Hill is a right wing rag at this point. Stop quoting them.

This is just another attempt for the Repugs to try to set the schedule. Remember Moscow Mitch announcing it would be done by Thanksgiving and Nancy telling him to go blow. I guess the Repugs are moving the timeline again. Then, when Christmas comes and it hasn't happened yet, Moscow Mitch will start turtling *blurble blurble* about how it's now an election year and we simply can't do anything in an election year (except, of course, if something happens to a liberal Supreme Court justice *blurble blurble*)

Don't listen to anything about impeachment that doesn't come out the mouth of a Democrat.

"Some think the USSC won't take the case... "

Congress wants to see them, too. So SCOTUS will have to get involved at some point.

Can't help but smile at the Jordan lawsuit.

Missed opportunity for Gym Jordan, Gaetz & Co to be nicknamed 'Darth Trump's Keystone stormtroopers'.

Dems, get some messaging and branding training stat!

Rachel Maddow read a bit of Fiona Hill's testimony. Hill delivered a masterclass in bitchslapping to anyone (aka Rethugs) who asked her about 'Ukraine involvement' in the election. I say we need this woman in the public hearings.

Nikki Haley is sinking her own ship.

Today she said "“You're going to impeach a president for asking for a favor that didn't happen and giving money and it wasn't withheld?” Haley told CBS' Norah O'Donnell. “I don't know what you would impeach him on.”

The former ambassador, who resigned in late 2018, went on to liken impeachment proceedings to capital punishment.

“And look, Norah, impeachment is like the death penalty for a public official. When you look at the transcript, there's nothing in that transcript that warrants the death penalty for the president,” she said, referring to a transcript of the July 25 phone call between Trump and the Ukrainian president that sparked the impeachment inquiry."

Just another idiot repuke.

Don't be surprised if the repubs submit some absurd witness requests and then pull some histrionics about how this is "a sham" and "unfair" when the Democrats reject them

What’s going on with Bolton’s lawyer coming out and stating that Bolton has more information on Trump and Ukraine that none of the investigations have unearthed yet, but he refuses to testify. Why the fuck is the judge dangling this tasty morsel when his client won’t comply with the subpoena? Clearly Bolton directed the lawyer to put it out there that he knows more that can help the investigation, but won’t testify unless a court ruling tells him he can? What the fuck is up with that?

Yep, it’s an FU to TRump, R324

And ❤️ the photo at R314.

Looks like Gym Jordan’s trying mighty to resist a generous offering of BBC

[quote]Mulvaney is claiming “absolute immunity” to House subpoena. What the fuck is that?

When I see Mulvaney's miserable nebbishy face, I think of Johnny Arthur, the actor best known as Darla Hood's father in a few "Our Gang" shorts. He was always peeved and miserable about something too!

Can someone explain to the idiot, Nikki Haley, that attempted murder is still a crime? Also, while you're at it, explain to her and the other dolts that this orange shitstain that they are choosing to kill every shred of credibility they've ever had is in trouble because he's too fucking stupid and too fucking evil to stop extorting and bribing foreign powers for election help after he got away with it the first time in 2016. He's committing the same crime a second time in full public view. He learned nothing and neither, it seems, did one single fucking Repug. I hope every single day for a plague that kills based on IQ.

Nikki Haley is and has always been a miserable, dishonest piece of cunt-filth and a whore.

Bolton is mind fucking both, Trump and the investigation. Bolton is a war mongering neo con through and through. I will believe he is willing to testify and spill all the dirt he knows about Trump when I see him testifying with my own two eyes.

"The "Moron Defense"' for Trump; espoused by Lindsey Graham.

What I find bizarre is the online troll's who claim that it's really Hillary who did all this with the Ukraine. Any mention of quid pro quo and such and they will immediately chime in with "Hillary is guilty of all that". Where the fuck do they get this shit? Is it a script? Is this what Hannity is saying?

Trump is the most Un American public figure I have ever seen in my lifetime. I'm certain we had traitors and corrupt people, but never in my lifetime or on such a scale as this.

R332, it is a script. It is what Hannity is saying. Republicans have attempted, during the depositions, to question witnesses about this ridiculousness.

They do focus groups and study polling results and in 2016 and even after he became PResident, saying Hillary's name excited his base. It was like ringing bell calling the cows to come home. So they keep doing it. Say her name, get an instant negative reaction. Keep demonizing her. In the Republican MAGA mind, Hillary is responsible for bad weather. If you get fired from your job, it's because your lady boss acted like Hillary. So now she was responsible for getting people in the Ukraine to mess with our election to make sure Trump won? Really?

[quote]Can't help but smile at the Jordan lawsuit.

There's certainly a lot more evidence that Jordan ignored sexual abuse of the young men under his tutelage than there is that Joe Biden did anything wrong in regards to Ukraine.

I wonder why noted anti-corruption crusader Donald J. Trump isn't tweeting about the Jordan scandal?

Jordan is such an asshole, watching him asking questions, "grilling" witnesses will almost be entertaining. He's truly dumb. And all the Republicans are handicapped by their ideology. Their brains are fried. All these witnesses are experienced, intelligent, shrewd people who have been part of our diplomatic corp for years. Dealing with assholes is what they do. Jordan can hire the best, most trusted lawyers the GOP can get to advise him and feed him questions, but he can't think on his feet and improvise, so nothing will help him succeed in this folly. He'll use it to showboat and be obnoxious. He has raised that to a fine art.

Shorty Gym needs to stick to dirty Jockstraps strapped over his face

[quote] impeachment is like the death penalty for a public official. When you look at the transcript, there's nothing in that transcript that warrants the death penalty for the president

This argument by Haley is a version of what the Senatrice and that POS John Kennedy have struggled to use. It [italic] might [/italic] have some resonance if you focused exclusively on that one sentence in the phone call and completely ignored everything else that we know. But it wasn’t some throw-away line in a call. It was part of a much larger conspiracy to bribe and extort the President of Ukraine using taxpayer dollars to benefit tRump’s political campaign. That should become apparent in the public hearings, and, as a result, it will become much more difficult to dismiss the crimes because the whistleblower is anonymous, or partisan, or first went to as Schiff’s staff, or some other cockamamie reason that is completely irrelevant to the question at hand. It is clear that Cheatolini and Ghouliani were planning this crime for quite some time. The Repukes are attempting to overlook that evidence — at their peril.

Vichy Republicans

[quote] Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Breathalyzer), Republican of Florida.

Washington Post:

House GOP asks for Hunter Biden and whistleblower to testify in impeachment probe

^ “We expect that you will call each of the witnesses listed above to ensure that the Democrats’ ‘impeachment inquiry’ treats the President with fairness, as promised by Speaker Pelosi,” wrote Devin Nunes (Calif.), ranking Republican on the Intelligence Committee. “Your failure to fulfill Minority witness requests shall constitute evidence of your denial of fundamental fairness and due process.”

Republicans should be very careful what they wish for in their witness list. They could come out looking foolish everyday...

R343, Nunes writes with the flair of a collection agency that knows its threats are meaningless.

Mattie Gáytz is so sought after, she probably wears a chasity belt to the Hill. Now, if there was a muzzle large enough to cover that huge mouth....

Here’s the segment from Rachel M. last night, where she recounts Fiona Hill's take down the Repug staffer who questioned her last month. The guy questioning her is Gym Jordan's top staffer, and she was having none of his bullshittery. Good part starts at 10:30, but the whole 18 minutes is worth watching.

[quote]There's certainly a lot more evidence that Jordan ignored sexual abuse of the young men under his tutelage than there is that Joe Biden did anything wrong in regards to Ukraine.

I hope the witnesseses throw Li'l Gym Shortz' pervert-appeasement problems in his face while he "grills" them, sort of like this. 🙂

*witnesses*, dammit

The Repubs are going to make complete asses of themselves...wow Fiona Hill tore up Gentleman Gyms lawyer.

Cuba needs a Cabinet position in the Trump administration.

More on today's fake-presidential visit to the Bama–LSU game

That picture in r341 is hilarious.

Does a cameraman actually have to shoot from the floor to make Gym Jordan look NOT SHORT?

Hope those students boo him out of the frickin' stadium today.

get ready for the repubs to cry foul when Schiff and the other House Dems reject their witness list. Obviously repubs want to change the narrative to "Ukrainian interference" and "Biden corruption in Ukraine."

I bet some of the repubs will just make statements next week about how the process is unfair and a sham because they aren't being allowed to question "the real witnesses to a crime"

It's all a matter of how independents and moderates view this

for whatever reason this week impeachment polling is slightly down. I hope it goes up again

House Republicans released a wish list Saturday morning of witnesses they’d like to see testify when Congress holds its first public hearings on President Donald Trump’s “perfect” call with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelinsky next week. Not surprisingly, most of them have nothing to do with the impropriety of the call itself.

House Democrats control the impeachment inquiry process but asked for Republican input on potential witnesses last week. Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), the highest-ranking Republican on the House Intelligence Committee that will be leading the public impeachment inquiry, sent the list to Democratic chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.), along with a lengthy letter complaining about the unfairness of the inquiry to Trump. Nunes, who has long been one of Trump’s most ardent defenders, described the process thus far as “opaque and unfair,” writing, “Your actions have great damaged the integrity of the Intelligence Committee and any legitimacy of your ‘impeachment inquiry.”

While House Democrats have said they want to hear from key diplomatic personnel who may have been involved with the quid pro quo arrangement, in which Trump tried to use the threat of withholding American support for the beleaguered nation in its ongoing dispute with Russia in exchange for the Ukrainian president promising to investigate the son of former vice president Joe Biden. After initially objecting to the notion that there was such an arrangement, the GOP has now more or less acknowledged it occurred but insists that it was not improper. Nunes’ proposed witness list seems designed mostly to make the case against Hunter Biden and, of course, Hillary Clinton.

also expect Fox "News" to come up with fake scandals against Schiff, some that have nothing to do with his role as Intel Committee Chair.

I think it was a mistake for Pelosi to have explicitly written into the impeachment rules that the Repugs can call witnesses with Democratic leadership approval. Any denials, no matter how ridiculous the witness, give the Repugs an easy talking point that will fill the airwaves, unquestioned by the media.

R358 if she hadn't, they'd be making the cries that it was unfair as they have no say. Either way the repubs would whine and pull stunts.

r358 the Republicans will say whatever they want. I would not be trying to predict what they will say and do because they will say and do pretty much anything regardless of actual facts. So the best course is just to do it as properly as possible.

R358 and R359, those are the rules the Republicans wrote themselves during the Clinton impeachment process. Pelosi changed nothing.

I'm curious what the repub professional lawyer will be asking these witnesses. The repubs know the facts and law aren't on their side. Will they just be asking them about bullshit conspiracy theorist "journalist' Jon Solomon's "reports" on all the "Ukraine scandals"?

Vindman in particular was on the fucking call so he has first hand knowledge.

[quote]those are the rules the Republicans wrote themselves during the Clinton impeachment process.

Not on my show they aren't.

Bill Corbett played crow t robot on later seasons of MST3K and has a funny take on Nikki Haley’s BS:

it's hilarious that Pam Bondi and Matt Whitaker are now on Trump's team in his impeachment defense. Who knows if they're just acting as surrogates or actual lawyers when both of them have their own legal issues

Maybe Bondi will never be charged for accepting Trump's bribe though as long as Florida remains in repub control

Deplorable stabs Baby Trump balloon in Tuscaloosa, gets arrested

How did Trumpy's football visit go?

Not that he ever tried too hard to hide it, but now he's out in the open.

Not that he ever tried too hard to hide it, but now he's out in the open.

R368, that’s just another lie, though, isn’t it? You can’t be a nationalist if you are a traitor.

Nationalism worked so well for Germany didn't it?

Eldergays, were Republicans always this evil in the past?

R369 Nationalism is a way of thinking that says that some groups of humans, such as ethnic groups, should be free to rule themselves. Nationalists think that the best way to make this happen and avoid control or oppression by others is for each group to have their own nation.

Adam Schiff: Impeachment inquiry will not be a vehicle for "sham investigations"

[quote]Graham, who is considered to be one of President Donald Trump's top defenders, was a keynote speaker at the Iowa GOP's Lincoln-Reagan dinner, along with colleagues Sens. Chuck Grassley and Joni Ernst.

A lot of hunky 🌽 🌽 🌽 fed menz in Iowa.

Wonder if Grassley found Lindsey a date out there?

Sen. Chuck Grassley is 86 -- hopefully he will die soon and the Dems can have a chance at that seat.

WSJ

Trump Impeachment Inquiry Delves into Idea of Quid Pro Quo

Trump Tower or bust!

Where's Barron? Surely he's off school Monday for Vet's Day, and would enjoy a ball game.

Is he being punished?

Washington Post:

Democrats engineer multiple chances to make the case for Trump’s impeachment

Really?

Business Insider:

Here's how Trump could be impeached, removed from office, and still win re-election in 2020

As long as the GOP plans to engage in cheap theatrics, any chance we could get a group of 3-4 ripped 20yos in wrestling singlets to show up to televised hearings featuring Jim Jordan? They could hoot and holler any time he interrupts proceedings.

A girl can dream after all.

CNN:

Giuliani associates: Debts, lawsuits and a high-interest loan preceded associates' rise

NYT:

How the State Dept.’s Dissenters Incited a Revolt, Then a Rallying Cry

So, who do we think REALLY wrote Don Jr's book?

^ Iz me! I use lenchuach skeelz to trenzlet from Eedjit!

NYT:

In Seeking to Join Suit Over Subpoena Power, Mulvaney Goes Up Against the President

r372 yes, they just hid it better. The one good thing about Trump is that he brought it all out in the open for us to see.

To add more punch to the proceedings, news channels need to ratio the Trump mouthpieces. Limit the appearances of Matt Gartz, Nikki Haley and Miss Lindz. Enough with the constant gaslighting and lying. Stop having them on mainstream channels. If they want to go on their state run Fox News or RT, they can, but not in real news channels. No more Kellyanne without her getting called out on her lies. No more Giuliani. Give them all the DJTJ treatment. Stop letting them spread their bullshit.

Bolton just got a $$$ deal on his book.

According to the AP, Bolton got a $2 million advance from Simon & Schuster, and while it’s not clear what he will say in the book, the price tag suggests it will be a pretty juicy story.

CNN says according to one source the book will come out sometime in 2020 before the presidential election.

And Bolton might not be a good witness for the Dems anyway.

[quote]A source close to Bolton recently told CNN that if Bolton does ultimately end up testifying, he will say that Mulvaney and others, including the president's personal lawyer Giuliani, "were being disloyal to the president" in their actions relating to the Ukraine scandal. "John will say, 'I was the guardrail while Giuliani and Mulvaney were saying let Trump be Trump,'" the source said.

R391 so Bolton will actually lie in a public testimony? He wants to go to jail too?

all the credible witnesses have indicated Trump directed Giuliani, Mulvaney etc to do what they did

$2m means either a conservative publisher trying to shut him up, or it means he's promised to name names and get dirty.

R390 the "source" is likely the White House. Remember they are trying to make Sondland and Mulvaney the fall guys to protect Trump.

Simon and Schuster isn't the National Enquirer, R392.

I guess the manuscript will go through their legal, but judging from what has been published about Trump's WH so far and nobody has been sued to my knowledge, legal doesn't seem a problem here.

R391, the article at R389 says that Bolton understood that the Ukraine scam originated with Trump. It is possible that Bolton thought Giuliani and Mulvany were disloyal because they failed to protect Trump from his worst impulses.

S&S is owned by CBS? Didn't know that.

R395 that would still be a nonsensical argument. Then again repubs will say anything these days so I wouldn't be surprised

Re Mulvaney, Bolton, Sondland, etc. pointing fingers at each other, if I remember correctly the same dynamic occurred with Nixon. Nixon's goons decided to pin it all on John Dean and he became the first the person who break the stonewalling.

BTW, Mulvaney is very close to the Kushners, Stephen Miller faction. If he's feeling the need to cover himself then the situation is deteriorating and they are reaching into the inner circle for patsies.

IMO, all these resignations and rush to Capitol Hill reveal the strong the fear of being framed. (Not counting those with high integrity.)

Simon & Schuster also threw money at Milo Y. for a book that they chose not to publish later on. All Bolton does is self serving. No way is he going bring down Trump or the GOP. They are his tribe.

[quote]CNN says according to one source the book will come out sometime in 2020 before the presidential election.

Will the second edition include an additional chapter on Bolton’s eventual incarceration?

Cohen was badgered about pledging not to write a book during his testimony, but everyone else in Trumps orbit is keeping the ghost writing industry booming.

[quote]The one good thing about Trump is that he brought it all out in the open for us to see.

It'll be a bizarre unintended consequence of this entire freakshow. Trump's so inept he's clueless about confident masterful cover-ups. Everything is reduced to insults, threats and sackings, his motivations always transparent.

He hasn't drained the swamp: he's imported it, deepened it, and told us it's the work of a stable genius. It's all a precise inverse of capable leadership, and as such, perversely instructive. How not to do it, from A-Z.

so the Fox "News" audience will likely only see the important parts of the hearings if they watch them live during the day.

When they do the highlights the channel will focus on:

A) highlights of repubs attacking Schiff and his credibility/character

B) repub histrionics calling this a sham and unfair

C) trying to get witnesses to identify the whistle blower by name

D) propagandizing the debunked conspiracy theories about the Bidens "corruption" and "Ukrainian election interference"

Ole Puss' yappity yaps & incriminates Spurs.

Washington Post:

Republicans attempt to move impeachment inquiry away from Trump

AP:

Watergate redux? Trump impeachment inquiry heads for live TV

Tribune News Service:

Heather, a local administrative assistant here who is married with a stroller-bound toddler, is still so embarrassed by her 2016 vote that she wasn’t comfortable revealing her last name.

“I’m ashamed to admit … but I’m of a more conservative bent and family. I just couldn’t vote for Hillary. But I also thought there’s no way Trump was going to win. This way, I could at least say, ‘Well I didn’t vote for her,’” she said. “I didn’t think I was doing any harm.”

While Heather isn’t sharing her conversion far and wide, she’s already decided “there’s no chance” she’d vote for Trump again. “Heavens no,” she said. “Trump basically turned me into a Democrat.”

[quote]but I’m of a more conservative bent and family. I just couldn’t vote for Hillary.

This does not compute. Hillary didn't have a family? Chelsea turned out much better than many kids especially Trump's leeches.

One of the few moves the administration has is to through Sondland, Giuliani, etc under the bus. It is also one of the most dangerous, particularly if Giuliani sings...

I doubt they'll go down for the Orange Anus.

R403, don't forget

E) Pushing whatever flavor of diabolical evil Hillary has committed (emails, hit jobs, ritual sacrifices, heroin pushing in elementary schools)

R408 Hillary doesn't want to stay at home and bake cookies so ignorant fraus don't consider it a "real" family.

R408, read it again. What she said was that she comes from a more conservative family. She didn't say anything about Clinton's family: "but I’m of a more conservative ... family"

That doesn't change my opinion R413. People should vote for themselves not by how they were raised or what their family believes. She's weak and ignorant.

I really don't see how Rudy survives..plea deal? Jesus...read this article. It's short but it cuts at the length they were going to create a scandal on Biden.

R386 do you have any context or something specific you would like to share about this article? It’s just a headline with the story hidden behind a paywall?

What are supposed to gain from this?

Well I see that you posted through MSN which was at least helpful. But would it kill you to post a preview or summary?

There's no paywall on it, r416.

R415, on the other hand, is behind a paywall.

[quote]As we’ve noted before, Parnas and Fruman were hunting on Giuliani’s behalf in Ukraine for people ready to work on Trump’s behalf in the 2020 presidential election. They were simultaneously trying to get hired to provide access to Trump’s inner circle and make big money doing it. They eventually got an arrangement like this put together with Dmitry Firtash, the exiled oligarch who has been cooling his heels in Vienna for the last five years fighting extradition to the United States. That’s how Joe DiGenova and Victoria Toensing got involved. But he wasn’t the only one they went to. Giuliani actually said that he “looked at maybe 20 of these oligarchs” looking for partners.

[quote]One of these seems to have been another major oligarch named Igor (Ihor) Kolomoisky. He’s one of the top five oligarchs in the country along with Firtash. He’s notable for a number of reasons, not least of which is that he was one of Zelensky’s top backers during his rapid rise to power in late 2018 and early 2019. One of the big questions surrounding Zelensky since he was inaugurated is whether he will follow the normal pattern of protecting his oligarch patron (contrary to his anti-corruption platform) or allow Kolomoisky’s various legal/financial travails to play themselves out.

[quote]Parnas and Fruman went to Kolomoisky first or at least earlier and basically hit him up for money, portraying themselves as gatekeepers to the Trump inner circle, via Giuliani. Looking for players who could get Trump his deliverables appears to have been part of the equation too, though that part is more murky. A key ask was an introduction to Zelensky, just elected Ukraine’s next President but not yet inaugurated. Kolomoisky was known to be a major backer of the incoming President. So that made sense. And given Giuliani’s and Trump’s interest in Biden and the 2016 election, he’d be a key person to strike up a relationship with.

[quote]But Kolomoisky basically told them to screw off.

[quote]This blow up immediately preceded Giuliani’s going on Twitter and claiming that Zelensky and his entourage were made up of anti-Trump forces and specifically calling out Kolomoisky as one of Ukraine’s bad guys. Presumably the the blow up triggered Rudy’s tweet storming.

[quote]Parnas and Fruman filed a lawsuit in Ukraine claiming that Kolomoisky had threatened to have them killed, demanding millions of dollars in damages and (in the context of Ukraine’s legal system) pressing to have Kolomoisky investigated.

[quote]It was this legal action that they were heading to Ukraine to meet with investigators about. And it seems, though this is not 100% clear, that Giuliani was going to rendezvous with them to be there for that.

[quote]If you haven’t, read Josh’s story. The greater context, though, is illustrating the various rackets and and shakedowns the three men were pursuing in Ukraine to get Trump his deliverables and make Parnas, Fruman and Giuliani a lot of money.

"Josh's story," mentioned in that last paragraph, is not behind a paywall and is linked below.

Abuse of Power

That voter! That is everything wrong with the last election in a nutshell. She didn't believe he would win. She considered herself more "conservative bent" yet probably just thinks having a family means she is more "conservative". She is probably pretty liberal if you went issue by issue. No one understands what being conservative or liberal actually means.

I predict Matt Gaetz-led disruptions to the proceedings. Not sure if it will hurt or help the case. How the MAGATS support this...vermin?

Gym Jordan demands attention, but not on this.

They interviewed some pro-Trump Alabama football fan yesterday who was bitching about the impeachment. He literally said: "It's all bulls***. If he’s corrupt, he’s corrupt. Who cares?" That’s the Republican view of it now; who cares if the president of the United States is corrupt? Jesus Christ.

What if Hillary were corrupt? Well then things would be much different. Morons!!

Trump is the Pied Piper of corruption. That’s what he’s selling: a vision of the world in which there is nothing but corruption and cruelty, and nothing really matters.

What if the Clinton foundation wasn't a fully audited and documented charitable non-profit?

No impact on the dismantled and prohibited corrupt "slush fund and grift factory" known as The Trump Foundation...

"What if Hillary" whataboutisms makes Trumpers look stupid.

YA BURNT!

"YA BURNT" makes YOU sound stupid, in an otherwise reasonable post, r427.

[quote]They interviewed some pro-Trump Alabama football fan yesterday who was bitching about the impeachment.

I saw that. I'm still wondering what he has is mind with that odd yet very specific ending to his interview — "even if I'm in a wheelchair" As bad as he was, he fell short of the high bar set by the the PA swingcunts:

Q: If he shot someone on 5th Ave., would you vote for him?

A: We'd have to know why he shot them.

A: Yeah, why did he shoot 'em? (delivered with a cocked, slowly bouncing head and smug, challenging facial expression that crystallized the very essence of Deplorability)

r428, when you can's argue substance, argue style.

YA CUNT!

Deplorables are so defiant in the face of facts and logic.

The Hill:

Graham on the impeachment inquiry: 'I made my mind up. There's nothing there'

r431, calling me a deplorable does not make me one.

.

R427

CBS:

Haley remains a fierce Trump loyalist, including on the issue of his asking the Ukrainian president to dig for dirt on the family of Democratic candidate Joe Biden.

O'Donnell said, "The president asked for a favor in the transcript. Is it appropriate for the president to ask for a foreign government to interfere in a U.S. election?"

"Ukraine didn't do the favor," Haley responded. "And the president released the money anyway."

"So, that absolves him?" asked O'Donnell.

"I don't think it's good for us to ever want a foreign country to investigate an American. I'll always say that. That's just not something we wanna get into the practice of doing," Haley said. "So, no, I don't feel comfortable with that. But I also don't feel comfortable with the fact that we're having an impeachment process during an election year."

O'Donnell asked, "Do you think ultimately the president will be impeached and removed from office?"

"No. On what? You're gonna impeach a president for asking for a favor that didn't happen and giving money and it wasn't withheld? I don't know what you would impeach him on. And look, Norah, impeachment is, like, the death penalty for a public official. When you look at the transcript, there's nothing in that transcript that warrants the death penalty for the president."

"To be clear, it was not a complete transcript. There are still things that are missing from it. And in it, he does say, 'I would like you to do us a favor, though.'"

"The Ukranians never did the investigation. And the president released the funds. I mean, when you look at those, there's just nothing impeachable there. And more than that, I think the biggest thing that bothers me is the American people should decide this. Why do we have a bunch of people in Congress making that decision?"

CNN:

Lindsey Graham: Impeachment inquiry is 'invalid' without whistleblower's testimony

Fuck Haley. She knows she is the one who can be his VP if they get rid of Pence. Or she is high up there to be the next GOP nominee. She sells her soul to not piss off his base. Pathetic, immoral fuckstick.

Haley needs kicked in the cunt on a daily basis.

If only...

Kellyanne looks like a witch at R404.

What a horrible person that Nikki Haley is. "Yeah, he tried to hold up the bank, but they didn’t hand over the money, so no harm done!" I love that they transcribed her answers with the "gonna" and "wanna" intact. Makes her sound like the fool that she is.

Lindsey 2016: The Republican Party has been conned by Donald trump. Lindsey 2019: Proving his point on a daily basis.

Now Sondland is in cahoots with the Democrats.

Why doesn't someone out Miss Lindsey?

Haley has aligned herself with the Kushner branch of the Administration. She's auditioning for the VP role when Pence finally takes a dive.

[Quote]"The Ukranians never did the investigation. And the president released the funds. I mean, when you look at those, there's just nothing impeachable there.

Does anyone remember the timeline? I thought Chris Wallace interviewed someone and said during that interview that the aid was only released shortly after the WH learned about the WB's complaint. This would make a big difference bc Trump only released it after they learned that someone was about to make his extortion attempts public. Has anyone also seen this interview or remember the timeline?

My recollection R444 is that members of Congress (including some in the GOP) heard about the aid being withheld and flew into a rage at the WH. Can't recall if that was due to the WB (who's complaint was initially deep-sixed by Barr) or through other sources, but there's certainly a connection with the timing of Congress confronting the President and the emergence of the WB complaint.

Bloomberg is reporting that it was Bolton, not Trump, who released the funds to Ukraine, and that Mulvaney was furious at him for doing this.

Well, isn’t that interesting?

R447, if this is true, it means that the current line of defense — look, he did the right thing, so there’s nothing wrong here — doesn’t hold up.

Here's a link to the Bloomberg story. Obviously the Office of Budget and Management is contesting the idea that Bolton sent a note to the State Department releasing the funds. But it does provide some idea of what Bolton's lawyer was teasing in that letter.

Here's a link to the Bloomberg story. Obviously the Office of Budget and Management is contesting the idea that Bolton sent a note to the State Department releasing the funds. But it does provide some idea of what Bolton's lawyer was teasing in that letter.

Here's a link to the Bloomberg story. Obviously the Office of Budget and Management is contesting the idea that Bolton sent a note to the State Department releasing the funds. But it does provide some idea of what Bolton's lawyer was teasing in that letter.

Sorry for the multiple posts. I kept getting error messages saying DL couldn't post the reply.

Ok, I found the interview in my YouTube history. It was from Chris Wallace's interview with Kellyanne Conway. They withheld the aid all summer and on Sept 9 they learnt about the WB's complaint and the aid was suddenly released on Sept 11. So the Republicans argument here that they got the aid anyway is total bs. Trump ONLY released the funds after he found out about the WB's complaint and it wasn't bc he decided he no longer wanted Ukrainians to investigate the Biden's or there really never was a quid pro quo. He only released it bc he/they knew shit has hit the fan. Conway of course denied that these events are related. Schiff should find a witness who can testify why they suddenly released the aid on Sept 11.

Important part starts at 8:20.

Why isn't CNN et al reporting this timeline 24/7 when Republicans repeat their lies that Ukraine got their funds anyway and without any conditions?

R450, Since the OMB froze the funds without proper authorization, I’m not sure its denial is very convincing.

Rudy...you’re about to get fucked.

R455, let's hope they all continue to turn on each other.

Lindsey doesn't like hearing the competitive Nikki Haley talk.

I hope the WB is being protected? Move him to one of George Soros mansions. They are spreading his name and photo all over the web.

Examiner:

Giuliani may have identified secret friend 'Charles' with accidental text

Reports are out claiming Vindman has been fired.

Disgusting, criminal fuckers.

R460

NYT:

Giuliani Associate Says He Gave Demand for Biden Inquiry to Ukrainians

My vision is getting blurry , r461, and I read that as National Sex Adviser.

Liberals are telling people what they can and cannot eat in a war on Thanksgiving?

According to Fox News they are.

Peta and vegetarians have issues with consuming meat, but that is far from anything new.

Anyway, Diamond & Silk are quite fat, and could use dietary guidance.

Video is in the article.

[quote]Giuliani Associate Says He Gave Demand for Biden Inquiry to Ukrainians

Trump, Giuliani & their associates are involved in so much shady shit it's difficult to keep up with it.

I think Lev is just testing the waters or trying to muddy the waters. I don't trust that scumbag as far as I could throw a truck.

Until he starts coughing up documents, texts or the like, he's just doing bloated Billy's work.

Diamond and Silk are such an obvious right wing rip off of Frangelina from the Stephanie Miller show.

Once again, conservatives can't even be original.

'I made my mind up. There's nothing there'

Lindsey's last gentleman caller said the same thing in the boudoir....

Bribery, coercion, abuse of power, quid pro quo, obstruction... if they can't get rid of the Rapist-in-Chief with this- we may as well sell-out to Russia right now.

R469 GOP is waaaay ahead of you.......

But Lindsey's made up his mind, he's keeping his Trumpbaby, oh, he's gonna keep his Trumpbaby, oooh aaahhhh.

President of Bolivia resigns over "serious irregularities" in election:

A series of alleged irregularities -- including failures in the chain of custody for ballots, alteration and forgery of electoral material, redirection of data to unauthorized servers and data manipulation -- impacted the official vote count, the OAS said.

"The manipulations to the computer system (used in the elections) are of such magnitude that they must be deeply investigated by the Bolivian State to get to the bottom (of this issue)," the OAS said.

Do you think Miss Lindsey has a secret obsession with older daddies? Eg, First it was John McCain, and now Trump?

Joking aside I think Miz Lindsey believes she has convinced her fellow GOP senators that she's the "Power behind the throne" so to speak. She will tell any of those senators she is all that stands between them and absolute disaster...... But then Trump burned her by doing his thing with Syria and Turkey and she was embarrassed and pissed off at not knowing ahead of time. Nope, things are not going well for her at all.

So the GOP is apparently making a play for a coup because they know, electorally, they will be competitive for only a few more cycles then many more states, including TX, will fall to the Dems. They are filling as many judgeships and stacking the rules in their favor to grab as much power as they can. They are desperate. You can see it all over their actions. They are in a frenzy. Pres Bone Spurs can murder Barron on live TV and they would find an excuse. Even the "moderate" ones (there are no moderate Republicans) are in lock step.

Marsha Blackburn makes Devin Nunes look like an intellectual

Whoops, here's the link

God, enough with the Miz Lindsey shit! She/He's really not that interesting.

R478 agreed if I see that fucking Mizz Linds/Aunt Pitty Pat mashup one more fucking time....

John Oliver was right when he pegged Trump as stupid Watergate. Just when you think it can't get dumber, it does.

Greg Gutfield was playing on the TV at the gym today. Is this supposed to be a comedy show? They had some impersonator doing Adam Schiff but it wasn't remotely amusing. Not just because it disagreed ideologically with it, but because it was fucking lame.

Conservatives suck at entertainment.

Btw, Fox is going hard after Schiff. Obviously, of course given his role, but it kind of surprised me just how hard they're pushing.

[quote]A: Yeah, why did he shoot 'em? (delivered with a cocked, slowly bouncing head and smug, challenging facial expression that crystallized the very essence of Deplorability)

Female Trumpanzees don't think sexual assault is a big deal. Wow. I guess the only way for them to learn that it is would be to get raped...really raped good and hard. Yup, maybe a few would get it then. If not....Well, what were they wearing?

Stop, R481.

Shut up, r482. We don't need a Hall Monitor.

[quote]I love that they transcribed her answers with the "gonna" and "wanna" intact. Makes her sound like the fool that she is.

They don't call her "Nimrata" for nuthin'!

R481 is correct that many of these Deplorable women don't care that Trump sexually assaults women. He was even accused by a woman in the Epstein indictment of raping her when she was 13.

R485 I don’t think gay men care either. I’ve tried to get like 4 threads going on the subject since 2016 and will get 10 responses at most & posted in the Epstein threads, looked over?

I guess snorting Adderall makes you immune to any consequences.

John Oliver on Miz Lindz

[quote]“But that wasn’t even the most desperate defense of the president employed this week,” he added. “That honor must go to Lindsey Graham—a man whose very face looks like a nana who just found out what ‘throuples’ are.”

[quote] The comedian quipped that the South Carolina senator is essentially saying “the president’s an idiot” before explaining why Graham’s argument was “terrifying.”

“He’s like a baby, stumbling around aimlessly in a diaper full of his own boom-boom,” Oliver concluded. “And that is why he must stay in office and retain access to the nuclear codes!”

[quote]Do you think Miss Lindsey has a secret obsession with older daddies? Eg, First it was John McCain, and now Trump?

Better Donnie than me. But the huz just followed me out to Iowa over the weekend..

R480 they're scared of how good Schiff is. He successfully led an impeachment of a federal judge years ago.

The repubs are attacking the process and that includes those who run the process. Since Schiff has that role, they're doing everything possible to make him seem corrupt, inept and a villain.

He's been vilified on Fox since 2017 actually. It's gotten worse since the Democrats won the House last year

Fox is hoping that like with the Mueller report, if they relentlessly attack the process and Democrats, enough of the country will view the impeachment as illegitimate and support will drop.

What they don't have is Barr to frame the initiative or someone as "neutral" as Mueller.

I wonder how they'll try to discredit Bill Taylor, George Kent, Marie Yovanovitch and Alexander Vindman

Trump's releasing the reconstructed transcript of the innocuous call to Ukraine - the one congratulating the new leader on his election - on Tuesday. Transparently obvious that he's doing it to get some good press+provide a talking point for right wing media to crow about that transcript (which I'm sure they will read in full and blast endlessly) to try to confuse the public about the actual transcript.

No one has been asking for this transcript to be released, because it's irrelevant, despite what Trump says.

The Republicans during the hearings will likely reference THAT transcript, in an attempt to confuse the American people, too.

Now that was a PERFECT phone call. P.E.R.F.E.C.T. BEAUTIFUL too! But mostly PERFECT. Actually so perfect that we are all breathless. Aren't we all?

Shepard, you lack conviction: you're fired.

That phone call to Ukraine was perfect CRIMINALITY.

No announcement/no Pence!

ABC:

Chief Justice John Roberts, who's clashed with Trump, would oversee impeachment trial

Washington Post:

Mulvaney’s move to join impeachment testimony lawsuit rankles Bolton allies

Washington Post:

Nikki Haley claims top aides tried to recruit her to ‘save the country’ by undermining Trump

R498 I think that Haley is going to find that this is going to be okay with only 38% of likely voters. Once the mucus settles on the remains of the Trump administration and she tries to bolster her profile in the Republican Party, she's going to find that shit sticks and leaves a nasty taste in voter's mouths.

[bold]Donald Trump Jr walks out of Triggered book launch after heckling – from supporters[/bold]

Donald Trump Jr ventured on to the University of California’s overwhelmingly liberal Los Angeles campus on Sunday, hoping to prove what he had just argued in his book – that a hate-filled American left was hell-bent on silencing him and anyone else who supported the Trump presidency.

But the appearance backfired when his own supporters, diehard Make America Great Again conservatives, raised their voices most loudly in protest and ended up drowning him out barely 20 minutes into an event scheduled to last two hours.

The audience was angry that Trump Jr and his girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle, would not take questions. The loud shouts of “USA! USA!” that greeted Trump when he first appeared on the stage of a university lecture hall to promote his book Triggered: How The Left Thrives on Hate and Wants to Silence Us quickly morphed into even louder, openly hostile chants of “Q and A! Q and A!”

The 450-strong audience had just been told they would not be allowed to ask questions, “due to time constraints”.

At first, Trump and Guilfoyle tried to ignore the discontent, which originated with a fringe group of America Firsters who believe the Trump administration has been taken captive by a cabal of internationalists, free-traders, and apologists for mass immigration.

When the shouting would not subside, Trump Jr tried – and failed – to argue that taking questions from the floor risked creating soundbites that leftwing social media posters would abuse and distort. Nobody was buying that.

In minutes, the entire argument put forward by the president’s son – that he was willing to engage in dialogue but that it was the left that refused to tolerate free speech – crumbled....

Haley had a record of hiring and appointing cronies and incompetent people in her administration, some of it turning into big scandals as with the Social Services Department There were conflicts of interest, misuse of funds, and other impropriety

The national media has been infatuated with her, but have failed to examine the scandals pertaining to her rise in politics and the corruption that happened on her watch.

Remember, Bill Clinton's impeachment started with Whitewater and evolved into something else.

"Independent counsel investigation

The charges arose from an investigation by Ken Starr, an Independent Counsel. With the approval of United States Attorney General Janet Reno, Starr conducted a wide-ranging investigation of alleged abuses, including the Whitewater controversy, the firing of White House travel agents, and the alleged misuse of FBI files."

I'm hoping a Pandora's Box will open as people start testifying.

We don't need 'public support' to impeach a President. We're not going to the polls to decide this. His crimes and how they are exposed, prosecuted, etc. is out of our hands- and into the hands of those we elect and pay to do these things for us.

It won't 'tear the country apart!' because frankly (sadly?) most people don't give a shit.

[bold]Monty Python Icon John Cleese Has Brutal Assessment Of Trump’s Fox News Fans[/bold]

Comedy legend John Cleese said there may be no point in trying to argue with Fox News viewers who support President Donald Trump.

″[T]he people who support him are basically so ignorant because they only ever get news from Fox News,” the Monty Python alum told The Daily Beast. “I don’t know what you say to people like that.”

He added:

[quote]To me, it’s like people who go and watch professional wrestling and don’t realize that it’s fixed. If they can’t see it when it’s right under their nose, I have no idea how they’re going to realize how wrong they are.

[bold]Cleese also called Trump “an extraordinary caricature of an asshole.” [/bold]

“Every time he makes a decision, no matter how impulsive it is, it’s the one that makes him feel best about himself for the next 20 minutes,” he said.

Fellow Python alum Eric Idle delivered a similarly blunt assessment of the president.

“He’s stark raving mad. Absolutely mental,” Idle told The Daily Beast. “He’s a criminal and a con artist and a mob boss.”

The Hill:

Falling investment revives attacks against Trump's tax cuts

Yep and what's more crazy is that now you're hearing voices within the Republican party calling for more tax cuts (for the billionaires obviously) as the last tax cut was not substantial enough. And that they have the nerves to call themselves the "party of fiscal responsibility"...

AP:

After push from Perry, backers got huge gas deal in Ukraine

John Cleese is right.

"Female Trumpanzees don't think sexual assault is a big deal. Wow. I guess the only way for them to learn that it is would be to get raped...really raped good and hard. Yup, maybe a few would get it then. If not....Well, what were they wearing?"

Saying someone should be raped is just nasty, no one deserves that, not even right-wingers. And tons of male Republicans don't think sexual assault is a big deal, either.....should they also be raped?

[quote]And tons of male Republicans don't think sexual assault is a big deal, either.....should they also be raped?

Pics please.

R486- I'm a gay man who is all over those threads. Why are women not confronting these pigs every single day? For example, we hear the 'shoot someone on 5th' mantra repeated every day. Why the fuck doesn't ANY journalist say "Well, he's already been credibly accused of raping E. Jean Carroll on 5th Ave, so I suppose he could get away with shooting someone". See how easy it is? BTW 26 women have filed charges and about 200 others have reported similar behavior.

Before Trump and Epstein raped 13 yo Katie Johnson, they first made 12yo Maria Doe have sex with her. Later ,Maria disappeared and Trump and Epstein used her disappearance to threaten the other girls. "Don't end up like Maria"

FROM THE LAWSUIT:

I personally witnessed four sexual encounters that the Plaintiff was forced to have with Mr. Trump during this period, including the fourth of these encounters where Mr. Trump forcibly raped her despite her pleas to stop.

I personally witnessed the one occasion where Mr. Trump forced the Plaintiff and a 12-year-old female named Maria [to] perform oral sex on Mr. Trump and witnessed his physical abuse of both minors when they finished the act.

It was my job to personally witness and supervise encounters between the underage girls that Mr. Epstein hired and his guests.

I wonder if Sen. Blackburn’s grand kiddies know she’s a blood-sucking mobster. She trashed Obama constantly, even though he gave her deplorable trash constituents life saving healthcare, against her best efforts.

NBC:

How a little-known GOP lawmaker became a point man in Trump's impeachment defense

[quote]Nikki Haley claims top aides tried to recruit her to ‘save the country’ by undermining Trump

Maggie Haberman:

Have gotten calls from 3 administration officials taking issue with Haley’s description of herself as both stalwart defender of Trump and concerned aide. One described her as “scarce” during her tenure.

[quote]Donald Trump Jr ventured on to the University of California’s overwhelmingly liberal Los Angeles campus

Why on earth did he want to go there?

Obsession with the WB as a defense.

Why would the WB want to expose himself to Lindz and other Republican deflectors?

From CNN:

^ 514, To create video of libtards acting triggered. They want a civil war.

Mommy had to step in; something about not being able to get a date in person.

I believe Trump, jr. is putting on a provocateur act. I mean, duh. His book is all about how great he and his daddy are at triggering the Liberals.

Due to approved rules, Gym Shorts will not get much airtime for his raging antics at the hearings.

I would like to see some numbers for that book. When can we expect them?

Ana Cabrera on CNN....

As Carl Bernstein has said several times over the past year, one of the differences he notices between what he saw with Watergate in the 1970's and today is that some Republicans in the 1970's were willing to hold their President to account but today they are not willing to do so.

I need Jordan to become increasingly consumed by the sexual abuse lawsuit...with new information about his callous disregard/odd acceptance of the molestation that went on there.

Rudy Guiliani, Igor Fruman, Lev Parnas, Kurt Volker and Gordon Sondland are all co conspiritors to implement Trump's personal political agenda at the expense of American foreign policy with the force and power of the US government using American foreign aid as a cudgel to extort cooperation from Ukraine for fabricating evidence against a Trump political threat.

? @r521

The [bold]Nikki Haley reveal[/bold] is both unexpected yet easy to trace.

1---Initially Haley was seen as rising star among the big-tent GOPers. A woman of color elected to the governorship of Southern state. Well-respected (/s) talent recruiter Bill Kristol sang her praises. (He also discovered Sarah Palin)

2---During the black church shooting in Charleston, Haley did some symbolic stuff, like taking the down the Confederate flag, being polite to Obama, etc.

3---She was named US UN Ambassador with NO foreign policy experience. Yet she followed Pence in turning her back at the RU Foreign Minister at the UN. She appeared to commiserate with Kelly during Trump's ridiculous speeches.

Though there were rumors that she spent time with Trump getting special mentoring, trying to understand him, etc. The kindest interpretation is she just listened to the logorrhea hoping to discern a few morsels of thought.

After Khassoghi's murder, she resigned immediately and gave a craven speech on TV telling Trump how great he is and how Kushner is a genius.

She went a speaking tour at $200K a pop, to help Senators like Joni Ernst form IA who are vulnerable. The speaking fees are paid out one of Trump's PACs.

She moved into a huge, beautiful new house.

Now she's hawking book defending Trump and appears on T.V defending him.

I wonder what happened?

Interesting to see the GOP starting to pivot in TV interviews towards making Giuliani/Mulvaney/Sondland the fall guys for Trump. They cooked up the scheme and poor innocent Trump didn't know he was doing anything wrong. This could, and probably will, backfire spectacularly. None of those guys want to be left holding the bag, so I wouldn't be surprised if we see Mulvaney flip soon. Seeing him glom onto the Bolton/Kupperman lawsuit was interesting to say the least. This could be VERY bad for Trump as the rats flee the sinking ship... fingers crossed!

Throwing Giuliani, etc. under the bus has been predicted as one of the endgames in all this.

It would be one of the final moves, though, because they could sing loud about a lot and bring Trump down with them.

What's with SC politicians and menz?

R523 Goddamn it. Every time he gets in front of a microphone he should have to answer questions about it and compare him to Katie Hill. if he were ANY democrat, It's all we would be hearing about. "Mr. Jordan, another witness has come forward with testimony that you were aware of the drugging and raping of young men under your care. This is the second person with direct knowledge of the crimes. Why did you ignore the complaints of a rape victim who came to you for help?

Can someone please ask him this question the next time he starts jizzing in to the microphone?

Why the fuck don't democrats mention the "Hastert Rule" every chance they get. That;s all we fucking heard about during the John Boner reign.

When Repubs cry "Impeachment Unfair", quote Senator Larry Craig who impeached Bill Clinton for being a "very bad , nasty boy". Remind voters that these people are evil.

[quote]Throwing Giuliani, etc. under the bus has been predicted as one of the endgames in all this.

Giuliani deserves everything that is coming to him.

Like DJT, Mulvaney is a real estate developer with shady dealings.

Mick Mulvaney's nebbish, rat-like face was made for punching.

The Hill:

Bipartisan House members call on Trump to rescind Erdoğan invitation

Bolton does not want Mulvaney joining his lawsuit. In fact, pushes for the fact that Mulvaney already gave up his immunity and should testify.

If they come after Rudy, watch out. This guy is going to blab on national television until they do an Epstein on him.

"All roads lead to Putin."

Nancy Pelosi is 100% correct

All these scoundrels, starting at the top, àre Putin loyalists, agents, assets, and enablers.

Some are in the Legislative branch.

Nicolle Wallace is saying as much today.

Murdoch (Fox) is a Putin bud

This whole network operation is deep and wide.

Rudy has been on Barr's hit list for a few months now. Maybe even since the first of the year. And Mulvaney is very expendable. IMO the person who will also cause trouble, though not nearly as bad as RUdy, is Sondland. He's no Trump loyalist, never was. It's strictly transactional and he will not allow Trump to throw him under the bus. His wife is an active Democrat. I don't think Mulvaney is going to be quiet either. Trump needs to be real careful, needs to watch his mouth....but he won't and neither Barr nor Pompeo will be able to rein him in too much.

Time to make the popcorn!

NBC:

Pentagon official testifies Trump directed freeze on aid to Ukraine

NBC:

Judge tosses Trump suit over New York tax returns, rejects conspiracy claim

CNN:

Giuliani considers launching an impeachment podcast amid public hearings

The Hill:

Mulvaney to file separate suit to fight impeachment subpoena

The Hill:

White House struggles to get in sync on impeachment

AP:

Pentagon chief: No penalty for officer in impeachment probe

[quote]Pentagon official testifies Trump directed freeze on aid to Ukraine

Anderson Cooper and Jeffrey Toobin were discussing this story a little while ago.

Anybody watching Biden on CNN doing a town hall right now? He’s doing pretty good.

I am LOVING the fact that Russia keeps popping up in the narrative of all the depositions that are being released. Trump needs to be outed as the traitor he is.

Those precious chillin!

Washington Post:

Republicans shrug off growing evidence, stand with Trump against impeachment

Those precious chillin!

I hope as Trump goes down he takes a bunch of Republicans with him. He has no affection for them; most didn't want him to be POTUS anyway, and said so. He'll tattle to deflect the blame off himself.

All I've read so far is impeachable. Certainly if Hillary did even a fraction of these things, they'd run her out of town on a rail.

Ironic isn't it? That the Repugs were going to spend 4 years trying to impeach Clinton- but it's Trump who'd going down.

[quote]Anybody watching Biden on CNN doing a town hall right now? He’s doing pretty good.

Yeah, I've seen some if it. He sounded sympathetic when answering the woman's question on health care, and he's been bringing in his own family story about the loss of his first wife & child in a car accident.

From r551....

Pretty much what daddy's little lap dancer would look like if it hadn't been for the new face daddy bought her.

Am I being too hopeful in thinking the tide is turning against him? Condeleeza Rice's comments today. Peggy Noonan's comments. Losing the tax return case. E. Jean Carroll filing a defamation case against him. His pleading/threatening his own people not to fall into a "fool's trap". Judge Napolitano and Chris Wallace talking sanity on Fox. Lev Parnas flipping...

So he was trying to make it seem like Ukraine actually tried to help the Dems last election? LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Is that not a dead giveaway he knew Russia did it for him?

I personally won't believe the tide has turned until he's being hauled off.

We'd all love to believe the tide is turning, but, as the WaPo article pointed out, Republicans continue to shrug off the mounting evidence. I don't see that changing.

Now Trump is tweeting that the transcripts are doctored! LOL. He is running out of excuses.

No, Trump's narrative is that Ukraine was full of bad people who helped Hillary try to defeat him, but he overcame that and he WON in spite of foreign intervention. And He likes Russia because Russia knows how dangerously BAD Ukraine is. Capish?

Washington Post:

Rex Tillerson denies he tried to undermine Trump, says Nikki Haley was ‘rarely present’ at meetings

[quote]Am I being too hopeful in thinking the tide is turning against him? Condeleeza Rice's comments today. Peggy Noonan's comments. Losing the tax return case. E. Jean Carroll filing a defamation case against him. His pleading/threatening his own people not to fall into a "fool's trap". Judge Napolitano and Chris Wallace talking sanity on Fox. Lev Parnas flipping...

Hard to say, but it's a good start.

I will say this... I do look forward to the chapter where they all start eating one another. That's going to be delectable.

They already are munching!

Any bets on who the first will be to jump off the Drumpf train?

[quote]Saying someone should be raped is just nasty, no one deserves that, not even right-wingers. And tons of male Republicans don't think sexual assault is a big deal, either.....should they also be raped?

Yes, of course.

"Am I being too hopeful in thinking the tide is turning against him?"

He doesn't care. As long as people are talking about him he's happy. He's afraid he'll disappear, like when his family put him in military school from puberty to adulthood to get rid of him.

He wont stop tweeting or having rallies after he's out of office, either. He'll be yelping for years because he's addicted to attention.

Like Dawn Davenport, he'll be thanking his fans on the electric chair.

Im not sure who will turn on Dotard first but I can't wait for Ivanka to.

We Read All 2,677 Pages of Ukraine Testimony So You Don't Have To

"Nine Russian business people who gave money to the Conservative Party are named in a secret intelligence report on the threats posed to UK democracy which was suppressed last week by Downing Street..."

Not a single Republican has claimed the transcripts (which have been reviewed by witness lawyers and publicly released) are inaccurate or incomplete.

Manafort's former son-in-law gets 9 years for array of scams

Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao is facing public and Congressional scrutiny for multiple conflicts of interest.

Yes, but Chao, like her husband, just thinks, "So what? Who is going to stop me?"

Agree with R568. He only cares about remaining a top headline. He'd throw Baby Girl off the Grand Canyon if it would mean he would trend on Twitter another day.

I still wonder who will throw the other under the bus first, Ivanka or Jared.

Ivanka for sure. She's probably had her exit strategy since they exchanged vows.

Yeah, probably Ivanka. That family is all about self preservation.

I wouldn't be so quick to guess Ivanka in that situation. Jared is squirmy and will not let himself go down like daddy.

I had forgotten about Jared's father's unfortunate incarceration.

[quote]I had forgotten about Jared's father's unfortunate incarceration.

I didn't!!!

Funny that Chris Crispy is only safe from all this shit because Jared hates him so much.

[quote]Ivanka for sure. She's probably had her exit strategy since they exchanged vows.

Ivanka has been looking North for a while now.

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Thanks, OP.

[quote]Secretary of Transportation Elaine Chao is facing public and Congressional scrutiny for multiple conflicts of interest.

"Rock her up! Rock her up!"

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